[FairfieldLife] Re: CC and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm just curious whether Eki and B. Mullquist are aware that > cardemaister is suddenly fixated on penises. > LOL! I believe they are. According to the "Perfect Penis", most "normal" men are, more or less, every now and then, at least on their own dick... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice > Kundalini techniques. How > > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? > > I know of one documented case in the movement. > > With the popular teacher Jesus advocating it, I am surprised it is not > more common among believers: > > Matthew 19:12 > "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's > womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there > are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the > kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." > > It caused a weird cult of people "accepting it" around the time of > Marcus Garvey. > > Nice topic! Thanks, Curtis! That's way interesting. The Finnish "translation" is, to say the least, rather lame; something like "those, who have chosen not to marry". The Latin goes like "qui se ipsos castraverunt"... (those who castrate themselves), and the German "die sich selbst verschnitten haben um des Himmelreichs willen." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > It's hard to believe that a CC'd weiner isn't > > less sensitive than a non-CC'd... > > That's what a doc claimed in a documentary! > > > > ? > In a penis documentary a doctor claimed that a circumcised penis is not less sensitive than a non-CC'd. If that's the case, I think if I'd be jewish (or almost any American?) I'd go grazy with that nearly continuous stimulation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] All sympathy to Turq
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[FairfieldLife] All sympathy to
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently Channelled
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Possibly the most profound and intellectually enriching video of all > time (Directly channelled from My Pliedes people: "if you don't get > this it probably means you have another 10 years of work to do"... not > long...) : : > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JbSj9L6YE&NR > Thanks! Made my day! It's amazing to think that an animation -- probably made on some teenager's computer in her sparetime -- could move you as much as a great number from "Flashdance" or "Grease" could...but this one most certainly did. I recommend everyone take the time to see it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice > > > Kundalini techniques. How > > > > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? > > > > > > I know of one documented case in the movement. > > > > > > With the popular teacher Jesus advocating it, I am surprised > > > it is not more common among believers: > > > > > > Matthew 19:12 > > > "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's > > > womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there > > > are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the > > > kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept > > > it." > > > > You can't be serious. You understand this as Jesus > > advocating self-castration?? > > Remember: this is the guy who told Andrew Skolnick that TM teachers were taught to lie. It's a good thing Curtis has turned against religion. He'd be the worst kind of religious fundamentalist if he hadn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes > found in hypnotic > > subjects while there is with TMers. > > I wonder if the hypnotic subjects you are talking about practiced it > as consistently as the TM group. What type of hypnotic technique was > used? As you may know, there are as many hypnotic techniques as there > are types of mediation. Calling one subject a hypnotic subject is > like using a generic meditator in place of a TM meditator. Perhaps > the TM form of self-hypnosis does show consistent physiological > changes. That doesn't prove that it is a different state, it may be a > subset of the broader trance phenomenon. > > MMY calls the TM induced states "higher states". I think this is > marketing hype with no evidence of "higher" anything in its practicers > with the exception of some who seem to have induced inflated > self-regard. > > I am glad there are people researching this stuff. There is a lot of > room for different points of view. I suspect that I chose my own view > after a more rigorous test of the uniqueness of TM states in the > movement than you have with hypnosis. If you were trained in > Ericksonian hypnosis you might change your mind. You have the choice > to study it, or not. > > Short answer: where's the research published by scientists that shows consistent physiological correlates to hypnosis? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Remember: this is the guy who told Andrew Skolnick that TM teachers > were taught to lie" > > Was it your experience of TTC that leads you to challenge that > statement about what teachers were taught? > > Other teachers of TM want to weigh in? Were you taught to lie? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/17/06 9:30:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I'm asking for a name and quote from someone who > says Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handle > democracy. I gather you just made that part up. > > Oh, I've heard easy1 make that comment several times. He may > or may not have used the term evolved but said they aren't > "ready" for democracy. "Evolved" should be a clue that it > wasn't a politician but somebody on the list. I don't know how you can look at yourself in a mirror, MDixon. Here's what you said: "Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved enough to handle democracy and need a Saddam or that we have no business helping these people get rid of their dictators that steel their wealth that pours into their nations by the hundreds of billions of dollars. The same also say it's too costly or lets just do what we can to get along so we can do business and keep the oil flowing as cheaply as we can. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/17/06 9:30:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I'm asking for a name and quote from someone who > says Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handle > democracy. I gather you just made that part up. > > Easy1 has made either that exact statement or one similar numerous times to > me. More likely Easy1 would have said to me Arabs aren't ready for > democracy. So, no Judy, I didn't just make that up. I'm pretty certain others over the > years have made similar statements on this list, I remember thinking "how > racist" of a liberal to think Arabs or Muslims weren't good enough for > Democracy. Shame on you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recently Channelled
Possibly the most profound and intellectually enriching video of all time (Directly channelled from My Pliedes people: "if you don't get this it probably means you have another 10 years of work to do"... not long...) : : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JbSj9L6YE&NR To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to > > build, > > > > > is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely: > > > > > > > > > > "That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 > > years > > > > > at the current rate of consumption," said Mike Hayden, the > > secretary of > > > > > the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas > > > > > governor. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html > > > > > > > > > Think yagyas. (Endless fund raising possibilities.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Heh. The community there is very old and probably doesn't use the > > latest agricultural > > > practices. I'm willing to bet that if the TMO manages to set up an > > organic farm there, they can > > > stretch the water to last indefintely. > > > > > > > * > > > > The problem is, Kansas is in the rain shadow of the Rockies, so crops > > there depend on sucking up from the Ogalalla reservoir, which will be > > empty in 25 years. So no matter how clever water use is, the water is > > still going to go away, the reason being the same as oil deposits are > > going to go away: the resource is being depleted faster than nature > > can restore it. > > > > How much water does the MUM greenhouses use, net? > I'm not so sure that greenhouses have much of an advantage in water conservation. Most of the water probably goes into the veggies, swiss chard for instance being 94% water http://waltonfeed.com/self/h2ocont.html . The raison d'etre for heated greenhouses is being able to grow veggies year round in the Siberian climate of the Midwest, not to conserve water, although I guess there must be some savings: http://aginfo.psu.edu/psa/ws2000/green5.html One of the biggest problems with irrigated crops, especially when you try to recycle greenhouse water, is build-up of salts: "Several hundred thousand acres on the west side of the San Joaquin Valley have severe drainage problems, to the extent that the long- term productivity of the land is in question. The soil is naturally high in salt and selenium, and even "fresh" irrigation water contains salt that build up in soil over time. Farmers use irrigation water to leach unwanted salt from around crop roots, but leaching also threatens the high groundwater table. Despite their best efforts, farmers are fighting a losing battle: salt buildup from heavy irrigation is making the west side farmland less productive." http://www.caff.org/publications/aa/02_spring/farm_management.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
"Remember: this is the guy who told Andrew Skolnick that TM teachers were taught to lie" Was it your experience of TTC that leads you to challenge that statement about what teachers were taught? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice > > > Kundalini techniques. How > > > > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? > > > > > > I know of one documented case in the movement. > > > > > > With the popular teacher Jesus advocating it, I am surprised > > > it is not more common among believers: > > > > > > Matthew 19:12 > > > "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's > > > womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there > > > are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the > > > kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept > > > it." > > > > You can't be serious. You understand this as Jesus > > advocating self-castration?? > > > > Remember: this is the guy who told Andrew Skolnick that TM teachers were taught to lie. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason (Islam & Democracy- Incompatible)'
(snip) "I'm asking for a name and quote from someone who > says Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handle > democracy. I gather you just made that part up." It's not a question of evolution, More of a question of having a democracy, In a culture of Islam. Islam is based on subjugation of woman. So right there, no democracy is possible. And so many other reasons... Mr.Bush was influenced by a Russian writer- Natan Sharansky, Soviet human rights activist and Israeli politician ... Anyway, this Russian guy, convinced Mr.Bush, that democracy would be the answer to everything... Mr.Bush bought this notion, lock, stock and barrel... The only problem is, it may be compatible with European and other systems of religion...or belief system. But Islam does not allow for free debate. Beheadings are more the style there. Therefore,,, democracy does not work, and is incompatible with Islam.. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
> We... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes found in hypnotic > subjects while there is with TMers. I wonder if the hypnotic subjects you are talking about practiced it as consistently as the TM group. What type of hypnotic technique was used? As you may know, there are as many hypnotic techniques as there are types of mediation. Calling one subject a hypnotic subject is like using a generic meditator in place of a TM meditator. Perhaps the TM form of self-hypnosis does show consistent physiological changes. That doesn't prove that it is a different state, it may be a subset of the broader trance phenomenon. MMY calls the TM induced states "higher states". I think this is marketing hype with no evidence of "higher" anything in its practicers with the exception of some who seem to have induced inflated self-regard. I am glad there are people researching this stuff. There is a lot of room for different points of view. I suspect that I chose my own view after a more rigorous test of the uniqueness of TM states in the movement than you have with hypnosis. If you were trained in Ericksonian hypnosis you might change your mind. You have the choice to study it, or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > " Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable > > beyond doubt by > > > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not > > merely an altered > > > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if > > it makes you happy." > > > > So what term would you prefer to represent our own point of view on > > these states? I didn't know that there was any universal scientific > > consensus on the terms yet. I think in this area of very new science > > there is a lot of room for differences of opinions on what these > > states mean or what we should call them. Margret was viewing it from > > her clinical experiences with ex TMers. That was her opinion. > > > > I am comfortable referring to them as trance states because I think > > they are hypnotically induced. That is my conclusion from my own > > experience with TM and hypnosis training in the style of Milton > > Erickson whose expertise I respected. My position is no more > > characterized as "anti stuff" then your point of view is. We are both > > doing the best we can to interpret our experiences honestly, right? > > It is my best understanding of the experience. I respect that this > > is not how you view it. > > > > We... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes found in hypnotic > subjects while there is with TMers. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Laughs n' other stuff
No more "MDIXON's Dumbass War" (too easy...too numerous...too devolutionary) --- just watch the news - un-fun-kin-be-lee-va-bl-y Dumabass War. Sad. Try these instead...Laughs n' other stuff http://youtube.com/watch?v=zyyCcjbrWOM http://youtube.com/watch?v=3gg5LOd_Zus http://youtube.com/watch?v=gfQxYTeFWfA http://youtube.com/watch?v=gfQxYTeFWfA http://youtube.com/watch?v=MeE2lKhpnxM OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice > > Kundalini techniques. How > > > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? > > > > I know of one documented case in the movement. > > > > With the popular teacher Jesus advocating it, I am surprised > > it is not more common among believers: > > > > Matthew 19:12 > > "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's > > womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there > > are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the > > kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept > > it." > > You can't be serious. You understand this as Jesus > advocating self-castration?? > Remember: this is the guy who told Andrew Skolnick that TM teachers were taught to lie. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
In a message dated 9/17/06 9:33:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny, I don't remember much arguing about invadingAfghanistan, at least not after 9/11.> Kind of like the 50,000 body bags for US soldiers to take Baghdad caused by > gas and chemical attacks.I believe it was the Bushies who kept warning thatSaddam was planning to use gas and chemicals againstAmerican troops. There wasn't a lot of argument about invading Afghanistan. Sentiment was very strong just weeks after 911. But there were a few that did. Yes everybody was concerned about the use of WMD's on invading troops in Iraq but many especially in the media kept saying 50,000 troops would die taking Baghdad. Seems one of them was Sam Donaldson, not sure about that though. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable > beyond doubt by > > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not > merely an altered > > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if > it makes you happy." > > So what term would you prefer to represent our own point of view on > these states? I didn't know that there was any universal scientific > consensus on the terms yet. I think in this area of very new science > there is a lot of room for differences of opinions on what these > states mean or what we should call them. Margret was viewing it from > her clinical experiences with ex TMers. That was her opinion. > > I am comfortable referring to them as trance states because I think > they are hypnotically induced. That is my conclusion from my own > experience with TM and hypnosis training in the style of Milton > Erickson whose expertise I respected. My position is no more > characterized as "anti stuff" then your point of view is. We are both > doing the best we can to interpret our experiences honestly, right? > It is my best understanding of the experience. I respect that this > is not how you view it. > We... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes found in hypnotic subjects while there is with TMers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
In a message dated 9/17/06 9:30:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm asking for a name and quote from someone whosays Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handledemocracy. I gather you just made that part up. Easy1 has made either that exact statement or one similar numerous times to me. More likely Easy1 would have said to me Arabs aren't ready for democracy. So, no Judy, I didn't just make that up. I'm pretty certain others over the years have made similar statements on this list, I remember thinking "how racist" of a liberal to think Arabs or Muslims weren't good enough for Democracy. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice > > Kundalini techniques. How > > > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? > > > > I know of one documented case in the movement. > > > > With the popular teacher Jesus advocating it, I am surprised > > it is not more common among believers: > > > > Matthew 19:12 > > "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's > > womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there > > are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the > > kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept > > it." > > You can't be serious. You understand this as Jesus > advocating self-castration?? > Our whole culture is 'castrated', Haven't you noticed?? We are like insatiable whores, we can't get enough... Woman rule us, with an Iron Fist; The last man we had in the WH, was Hillary Clinton. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > It's hard to believe that a CC'd weiner isn't > > less sensitive than a non-CC'd... > > That's what a doc claimed in a documentary! > > > > ? I believe a correct translation is "It's hard to believe that a circumcised penis isn't less sensitive than an uncircumcised penis." I'm just curious whether Eki and B. Mullquist are aware that cardemaister is suddenly fixated on penises. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
In a message dated 9/17/06 9:30:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm asking for a name and quote from someone whosays Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handledemocracy. I gather you just made that part up. Oh, I've heard easy1 make that comment several times. He may or may not have used the term evolved but said they aren't "ready" for democracy. "Evolved" should be a clue that it wasn't a politician but somebody on the list. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice > Kundalini techniques. How > > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? > > I know of one documented case in the movement. > > With the popular teacher Jesus advocating it, I am surprised > it is not more common among believers: > > Matthew 19:12 > "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's > womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there > are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the > kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept > it." You can't be serious. You understand this as Jesus advocating self-castration?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
" Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable beyond doubt by > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not merely an altered > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if it makes you happy." So what term would you prefer to represent our own point of view on these states? I didn't know that there was any universal scientific consensus on the terms yet. I think in this area of very new science there is a lot of room for differences of opinions on what these states mean or what we should call them. Margret was viewing it from her clinical experiences with ex TMers. That was her opinion. I am comfortable referring to them as trance states because I think they are hypnotically induced. That is my conclusion from my own experience with TM and hypnosis training in the style of Milton Erickson whose expertise I respected. My position is no more characterized as "anti stuff" then your point of view is. We are both doing the best we can to interpret our experiences honestly, right? It is my best understanding of the experience. I respect that this is not how you view it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > "> Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? > > > > > > > I think he would be running a small group and the miracles marketing > > hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. His description in > > the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me of other leaders I > > have seen working their mojo today. > > > > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret > > Singer, complaining > > > about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose > > depersonalization was so severe > > > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... > > > > I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but did discuss her > > opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered state than people > > in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization problems and > > dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked with then she > > found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance states. If > > that is true then the batch that will emerge from the domes in a year > > of that massive immersion program should be like a scene from an old > > Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in formation proving > > MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of a pitch man guru. > > Which do you think is more likely? > > > > Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable beyond doubt by > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not merely an altered > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if it makes you happy. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a Hillbilly from the South and put him in the Middle East....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > and what have you got? A Genius! Charlie Lutes some 20 years > ago! [:))] [:))] Swear to God, I heard it with my own > ears...paraphrased!! Jihad!!!, Jihad!!! on wmurphy77 lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
> Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice Kundalini techniques. How > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? I know of one documented case in the movement. With the popular teacher Jesus advocating it, I am surprised it is not more common among believers: Matthew 19:12 "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." It caused a weird cult of people "accepting it" around the time of Marcus Garvey. Nice topic! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO > > > to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. > > > > > > Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during > > flying session i think -- for being too loud. > > > > Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. > > > > Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. > > > > A number of other cases as i recall. > > > > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice Kundalini techniques. How > many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sidha Community: > > > > > > > > > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that > > > Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month > for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas > for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. > > snip > > > > And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are > > > going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, > perhaps;some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. > > Oh high and mighty on your throne. Judge us and smote us with your > thunderbolt. Destiny has turned and now the mantle of power is once > again upon your shoulders. The mighty Settle has arrived bestowing > boons on the deserving. > > Personally I think it's great. I'm happy for the group. I wouldn't > mind getting in the dome and enjoying a little silence. In fact I > applied and was tentatively accepted pending a small matter. Clarificaton: I applied only for a weekend. Don't > know if I'll actually get up there, but I'm glad to see an offer > whereby they can reach their number. > > lurk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > > > > > The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to > build, > > > > is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely: > > > > > > > > "That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 > years > > > > at the current rate of consumption," said Mike Hayden, the > secretary of > > > > the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas > > > > governor. > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html > > > > > > > Think yagyas. (Endless fund raising possibilities.) > > > > > > > > Heh. The community there is very old and probably doesn't use the > latest agricultural > > practices. I'm willing to bet that if the TMO manages to set up an > organic farm there, they can > > stretch the water to last indefintely. > > > > * > > The problem is, Kansas is in the rain shadow of the Rockies, so crops > there depend on sucking up from the Ogalalla reservoir, which will be > empty in 25 years. So no matter how clever water use is, the water is > still going to go away, the reason being the same as oil deposits are > going to go away: the resource is being depleted faster than nature > can restore it. > How much water does the MUM greenhouses use, net? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, Wow, Curtis was on a first-name basis with Dr. Singer. I'm sure impressed. but did > > discuss her opinion that TM people spent more time in an > > altered state than people in other groups. This lead to > > more depersonalization problems and dissociative disorders > > for the TM people whe worked with then she > > found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance > > states. > > Neiher you nor she apparently ever considered the fact > (now proveable beyond doubt by Fred's latest reesearch) > that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not merely an > altered state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your > anti-stuff going if it makes you happy. And doncha just love the "trance state" thought-stopper? Frankly, I think Singer was a lot better at thought reform than the TMO could ever hope to be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Take a Hillbilly from the South and put him in the Middle East....
and what have you got? A Genius! Charlie Lutes some 20 years ago! Swear to God, I heard it with my own ears...paraphrased!! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." > > But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- > > term effects on the 2000 losers who do take > > them up on this offer. What are they going > > to do upon re-entering reality after a year > > of essentially being institutionalized? > > > > I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. > > Of course, it was the reverse with Debbie; she > became ill after having institutionalized herself > (i.e., in Mother Divine). > > Also, even if you hadn't gotten it backward, Debbie > *had just lost her husband*, for crying out loud. > How many of this 2000 will have just lost their > spouses when they "re-enter reality"? > > Honestly, I think some on this forum have never > managed to fully reenter reality themselves after > their TM stint. > "Reenter?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get > > > the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. > > > > Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during > > flying session i think -- for being too loud. > > > > Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. > > > > Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. > > > > A number of other cases as i recall. > > What's the average freakout rate among the normal > population? And how does it compare to the freakout > rate among TMers as a whole? > "What's the feakout rate for people who aren't self-selected?" is a better question. Another is: "what's the freakout rate for people practicing some other meditative technique?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO > > to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. > > > Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during > flying session i think -- for being too loud. > > Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. > > Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. > > A number of other cases as i recall. > Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice Kundalini techniques. How many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- sparaig wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she > > > > needs is a long program! She needs to place her > > > > attention 100% in the relative and not drift off > > > into > > > > some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully > > > > engages her mind and FOOD. > > > > > > > > > > Who said she was ever psychotic? > > > > I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had > > symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological > > disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In > > fact all the cases of "madness" from TM that I know > > about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get > > commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany > > severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that > > diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long > > program? She's going to relapse again if someone > > doesn't know what they are doing. > > > > > > > > > It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO > to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. > One hears all these stories and yet, I was on an 8 week intesnsive (at least by today's standards) rounding course in 1984 with about 50 other people and didn't see but one person with ANYHING remotely like what everone says is commonplace. My guess is that TM teachers in the 60's and 70's were heavy into drugs before deciding to become TM teachers. and that THAT is what all the legends spring from: super-heavy unstressing of heavy dopers. Detox isn't pretty. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what > > > > hitting his numbers actually can do. > > > > > > good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will > > > be a problem to measure 'success'. > > > > Just as a question, do you really think that > > even in the TM movement they'll be able to > > find 2000 people who have so little going for > > them in their lives that they'll be able to > > put those lives on hold for a year for a > > measly 500 bucks a month? > > > > I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." > > But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- > > term effects on the 2000 losers who do take > > them up on this offer. What are they going > > to do upon re-entering reality after a year > > of essentially being institutionalized? > > > > I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. > > > > Welfare. > Sabbatical. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
> > > > Dear Sidha Community: > > > > > > > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that > > Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. snip > > And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are > > going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps;some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. Oh high and mighty on your throne. Judge us and smote us with your thunderbolt. Destiny has turned and now the mantle of power is once again upon your shoulders. The mighty Settle has arrived bestowing boons on the deserving. Personally I think it's great. I'm happy for the group. I wouldn't mind getting in the dome and enjoying a little silence. In fact I applied and was tentatively accepted pending a small matter. Don't know if I'll actually get up there, but I'm glad to see an offer whereby they can reach their number. lurk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's hard to believe that a CC'd weiner isn't > less sensitive than a non-CC'd... > That's what a doc claimed in a documentary! > ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "> Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? > > > > I think he would be running a small group and the miracles marketing > hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. His description in > the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me of other leaders I > have seen working their mojo today. > > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret > Singer, complaining > > about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose > depersonalization was so severe > > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... > > I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but did discuss her > opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered state than people > in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization problems and > dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked with then she > found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance states. If > that is true then the batch that will emerge from the domes in a year > of that massive immersion program should be like a scene from an old > Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in formation proving > MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of a pitch man guru. > Which do you think is more likely? > Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable beyond doubt by Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not merely an altered state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if it makes you happy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > > Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You > > don't get to choose > > > the reason when you admit them. The admitting > > doctor has to determine > > > if the person is not able to function as a > > functional adult in > > > society. The parent's perspective on her condition > > has nothing to do > > > with the medical determination that would lead to > > her > > > institutionalization. > > > > > > > Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking > > the streets today? > > > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of > > deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining > > about several of her patients--long-term > > TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe > > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... > > Ahhh, I doubt that claim about ECT. ECT will raise the > dead. Does give a new test for CC: ECT can't affect it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > > > > If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she > > > needs is a long program! She needs to place her > > > attention 100% in the relative and not drift off > > into > > > some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully > > > engages her mind and FOOD. > > > > > > > Who said she was ever psychotic? > > I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had > symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological > disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In > fact all the cases of "madness" from TM that I know > about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get > commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany > severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that > diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long > program? She's going to relapse again if someone > doesn't know what they are doing. > So you've done research into what is the most common psychological disorder that results from too much TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] Levi's death at MIU was > contributed by the incompetance of a psychologist (I > hope the Iowa Board of Psychology or whomever is > responsible for licensure in Iowa brought appropriate > sanctions against this fool) failing to understand and > take appropriate measures with a floridly psychotic > student. This is not hindsight, but simple clinical > experience recognizing when a fellow psychologist does > not understand what they are doing and totally out of > their depth. What interferes here is not only lack of > clinical experience with psychotics but also the > unfortunate cult agenda that believes, a priori, that > no ill can come about through any TM program-period. > So people in need of psychological help (another TMO > forbidden topic) are not recognized to be in need of > help and by the time it becomes obvious, it's almost > too late. Which psychologist are you talking about? The guy on the board of directors of MUM told them he was a danger to himself and others and needed to be removed from campus immediately and the Powers That Be (Bevan more than likely) didn't listen. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Who should die? Vote here?
Madonna? ...or...the Pope? ...or... Jerry Lewis? Photo Courtesy of Catholic News Service/Reuters __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'In The Beginning- G*d The Father...'
So, then Abraham, heard the voice of: "G*d the Father... And he had two sons, Isaac and Ishmaiel: Isaac began the Jewish tradition, And Ishmaeil provided the Arabs w/Islam. So, we have two brothers fighting- For the approval of their Father... The same Father of both, they continue to this day- For approval of the same Father. Now, there is the zero, seven, fourteen, and twenty-one cycle: Christ is zero, The Prophet Mohammed born in the 7th century; The quote of the current Pope, to the 14th century Emperor of The Holy Roman Empire, in Byzantine. But, the only difference now: Is that instead of swords, arrows, and shields; We have nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare, available. Very deadly combo. The Islamic people have subjugated the female energy and are 'over- balanced in male energy'..."Like, One Big Astronomical, Lingham..." The West has become too feminized, and over-balanced in the feminine side..."Like, One Big tough woman Yoni..." And so it goes... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- nablus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sidha Community: > > > > > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that > Howard Settle has > stepped > > > forward to donate $1 million per month for > twelve months to > fulfill > > > Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 > per per month > for an > > > Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 > hours of > program in > > > the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and > it has been > > > wonderful!!! > > > > > > In order to monitor the current numbers > accurately and forecast > > > numbers for the future, the Invincible America > course > administrators > > > need everyone to go to this website and > register/apply: > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire > > > > > > Enter the required data, which shouldn't take > more than a few > minutes > > > of your time. > > > > > > If you or anyone you know would like to become a > Yogic Flyer, > you can > > > receive full scholarship support for the cost of > your CIC course > if > > > you can commit to doing your program twice a day > in the Golden > Domes > > > (with no stipulation on the length of program). > If you are > > > interested, you may also say so at the website. > > > > They're getting quite serious about this. It's > possible to work > full-time and do a single > > mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long > as you have a > Ru for a boss. > > > > > > > > Please join us. > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > Dick Mays > > > > > All Glory to Howard ! > > And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are > going nowhere > in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some > darn poor > karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. Thank you for taking on some of our bad karma. Please continue. > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect
> --- Peter wrote: > > > > Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara > > pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about > your experience. I've only had one clear experience of > > rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I > > started TM. I only knew what it was several years > > later on TTC when MMY mentioned it and said that > you "know everything" --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a flash in meditation once when I "knew > everything" in the sense that, for an instant, > everything made sense. I had but time to think, > "Ah!," before it passed. > > Is that what you mean? Peter writes: Exactly. But what happens if the mind stays there is that it functions from that level and it is quite clear that you actually do know everything. Any intent or question is immediately "answered" in the instant crystal clarity of understanding. Really quite amazing. All understanding is already there. Everything makes sense in a beautiful integrated pattern of perfection. But it's not flashy because its also clear that the mind always functions like this and that everyone is always functioning from the level of ritam bhara pragya. Only after the experience does it seem to be amazing from the context of waking state. Tom T: >From the Alistair Shearer download of the Patanjali Sutras >From Patanjali Chapter 3 verse 54: Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the farthest shore. Verse 55: And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, there is Enlightenment. Self and Enlightened capitalized by Alistair Shearer. The intellect is translucent because it is contained in a collection of DNA. That DNA is the finest level of Laisha Vidya. DNA makes it translucent. If not for the DNA then he would have used the word transparent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: > > >> So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that > >> it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in > >> an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? > > > > I never even *remotely* suggested it was "normal" or > > even "sort of normal," and I haven't a clue where you > > got the idea that I did. > > OK, good. "OK, Judy, I sure seem to have misunderstood you completely on a whole bunch of points." Then why do you keep mentioning her illness in relation to > her having lost Doug, as if one almost followed naturally from the > other? I believe I've mentioned it exactly twice. > It doesn't. In fact, from what I've been able to gather, > Debbie's condition, *if* brought forth solely or even mostly, by > Doug's death, would be somewhat rare. You kept trying to connect > the two as if it were far more common. That seemed to be clearly > your intention. I'm glad you've learned better. :) Let's see if you are able to learn better. I doubt it, but maybe, *just maybe*, this will help: My point in both cases had nothing whatsoever to do with how common clinical depression is or is not following the death of a spouse. We don't even know whether Debbie had clinical depression. We *do* know she became emotionally ill after Doug died. In both cases, the folks I was responding to appeared to be attributing Debbie's illness to her TM practice. My point was that before assuming someone's emotional illness was caused by their TM practice, we should ask whether there was anything *else* going on in their lives that might have been responsible. In Debbie's case, she had just gone through an extremely traumatic experience. Some people *do* fall apart after the death of a spouse; it isn't uncommon (in other words, although it isn't common, it isn't as rare as you suggest). That's why there are therapists who specialize in grief counseling, to help such people get themselves together again. If they're predisposed to depression, they may become clinically depressed. Or they could suffer from severe anxiety, or any number of other conditions. This is regardless of whether the marriage was "healthy." Any major trauma--and the death of a spouse usually constitutes such a trauma--can trigger a breakdown, even in apparently psychologically healthy people. There may be a chemical component, for example, or the person may have a weak spot in their psychological makeup that had never before been assaulted. Most likely, I should think, joining Mother Divine didn't help, if only because it wouldn't have given her the opportunity to grieve, which is essential for recovering from bereavement. She may have joined MD, at least subconsciously, to avoid *having* to grieve, since it wouldn't have been encouraged. Grieving isn't a fun process. She may have found her grief so overwhelming that she thought she had to find some way not to have to confront it. And she likely wouldn't have gotten a lot of help when she began to fall apart, either, however that manifested itself. I wouldn't be *surprised* if the extended TM practice in MD also helped trigger the breakdown, but I'll bet you a buck that joining MD was a symptom of a preexisting problem that proceeded to get worse because she was trying to escape it rather than deal with it. I also suspect giving away most of her money was another symptom. But bottom line, whatever went wrong with Debbie, one would want to *rule out* that it was triggered by Doug's death before automatically attributing it to her TM practice. That was the point I was making. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
On Sep 18, 2006, at 6:09 PM, wayback71 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, authfriend wrote: >> I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. >>> >>> Especially in people who have just lost their >>> spouse, right? > > Sal, I am guessing that Judy was being sarcastic inthe above comment > about people who > have just lost their spouse. Very possible, Way. But she had said the same or similar thing in other posts. Could be they were *all* sarcastic. :) Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, authfriend wrote: > > >> I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had > >> symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological > >> disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. > > > > Especially in people who have just lost their > > spouse, right? Sal, I am guessing that Judy was being sarcastic inthe above comment about people who have just lost their spouse. > > Judy, just out of curiosity, where does the idea come from that > clinical depression, or freaking out, or whatever you want to call it, > is more common amongst those who have just lost their spouses, than in > general? Dr. Pete, can you comment on this? > > From what I've read, when one spouse does die, especially if the > marriage has been healthy, the person is able to go on with their life > fairly well, after a period of mourning the loss. "Freaking out" > usually isn't part of the equation IIRC, especially after a protracted > illness. It's still a shock, yeah, but not one that normally shoots > the person's entire wad, so to speak. > > So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that it's normal, or even > sort of normal, to wind up in an institution after dealing with a > spouse's death? Does this happen all the time where you are? > > Sal > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maharishi-Ji concluded today's experience meeting with the following > words: > > "Let me express my vision of today. We have hoisted the flag of > about 40 countries today. This little number is just nothing. > > What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. Our > globe is floating in bliss in the empty space. This is the vision of > today. And we confirm it more and more the thickness of bliss in > which the empty space will be demonstrating its pleasure. > > Today we see, from a distance we see, our globe moving in empty space > of bliss. From a distance the globe we see moving through the space > of bliss. Let us rejoice on that. > > And from tomorrow we continue our effortless effort. There is no > effort. The effort is taken over by the cosmic intelligence which > does not feel the effort. > > It's automation through which it works and that automation is going > to make us see from a distance the globe moving in the empty space of > bliss. > > Great glory to Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev." I don't see any issue with Maharishi's statement: I remember seeing a tape of him, with an astronaut, a few years ago... And the astronaut, was describing, in poetic terms; Now beautiful it was to see the whole earth, from a distance; And how it seemed to be floating in the silence of space... Maharishi commented on his response to this experience, As a cosmic experience. If you read some of the poetry of Walt Whitman, who was including in the 'Great Men Series' at M.I.U., he was included as someone who was 'Cosmic'... And cosmic people have quite a different experience of things; We all know that... We have become so materialistic, we have trouble sometimes; Comprehending anything that we cannot see, hear, feel, , taste or smell... So, whoever wishes to criticize Maharishi for his remarks; It's like 'Pearls before swine'. Many of the people of this world, and the past; Cannot conceive of an 'Invisible God'... Remember: 'Knowledge is structured in consciousness'; Limited consciousness, cannot concieve of things that have no limits... R.G. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
On Sep 18, 2006, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: >> So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that >> it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in >> an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? > > I never even *remotely* suggested it was "normal" or > even "sort of normal," and I haven't a clue where you > got the idea that I did. OK, good. Then why do you keep mentioning her illness in relation to her having lost Doug, as if one almost followed naturally from the other? It doesn't. In fact, from what I've been able to gather, Debbie's condition, *if* brought forth solely or even mostly, by Doug's death, would be somewhat rare. You kept trying to connect the two as if it were far more common. That seemed to be clearly your intention. I'm glad you've learned better. :) Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, authfriend wrote: > > >> I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had > >> symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological > >> disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. > > > > Especially in people who have just lost their > > spouse, right? > > Judy, just out of curiosity, where does the idea come > from that clinical depression, or freaking out, or > whatever you want to call it, I sure wouldn't call clinical depression "freaking out." > is more common amongst those who have just lost their > spouses, than in general? Dr. Pete, can you comment on > this? I don't believe I said it was more common, actually. That was not at all the point I was making. Try reading it again in the context of what Peter had said, see if you can figure it out. > From what I've read, when one spouse does die, especially > if the marriage has been healthy, the person is able to go > on with their life fairly well, after a period of mourning > the loss. "Freaking out" usually isn't part of the equation > IIRC, especially after a protracted illness. No, not usually. But then, I never said it was. It's still a > shock, yeah, but not one that normally shoots the person's > entire wad, so to speak. No, not normally. But then, I never said it was. > So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that > it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in > an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? I never even *remotely* suggested it was "normal" or even "sort of normal," and I haven't a clue where you got the idea that I did. > Does this happen all the time where you are? You mean, in New Jersey? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sidha Community: > > > > > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has > stepped > > > forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to > fulfill > > > Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month > for an > > > Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of > program in > > > the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been > > > wonderful!!! > > > > > > In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast > > > numbers for the future, the Invincible America course > administrators > > > need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire > > > > > > Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few > minutes > > > of your time. > > > > > > If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, > you can > > > receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course > if > > > you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden > Domes > > > (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are > > > interested, you may also say so at the website. > > > > They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work > full-time and do a single > > mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a > Ru for a boss. > > > > > > > > Please join us. > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > Dick Mays > > > > > All Glory to Howard ! > > And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere > in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor > karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. > And you, dear Nablus, I suspect are in the same condition as Debbie Henning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/18/06 1:59 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone > > > Jessamine Verrill > > > > -- during > > flying session i think -- for being too loud. > > > No. in the courtyard at Pac Pal. Not for the reason you said. My wife was > there. How badly injured were they? Did they die? Is this the mother of the Wallace kids (around 25-30 now) who were onced featured on an TMO tape with MMY (two boys)? > > > > Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. > > > Swedish. Sten Sjostead (sp?) Did he die? > > > > Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. > > > A student. > What happened to him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, authfriend wrote: >> I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had >> symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological >> disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. > > Especially in people who have just lost their > spouse, right? Judy, just out of curiosity, where does the idea come from that clinical depression, or freaking out, or whatever you want to call it, is more common amongst those who have just lost their spouses, than in general? Dr. Pete, can you comment on this? From what I've read, when one spouse does die, especially if the marriage has been healthy, the person is able to go on with their life fairly well, after a period of mourning the loss. "Freaking out" usually isn't part of the equation IIRC, especially after a protracted illness. It's still a shock, yeah, but not one that normally shoots the person's entire wad, so to speak. So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? Does this happen all the time where you are? Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
Mr. Settle is in the oil exploration biz and has been a major donor before: http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/news.php?f=uk20030424a_lexington2.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Sidha Community: > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped > forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill > Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an > Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in > the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been > wonderful!!! > > In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast > numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators > need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: > http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire > > Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes > of your time. > > If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can > receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if > you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes > (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are > interested, you may also say so at the website. > > Please join us. > > Thank you very much. > > Jai Guru Dev, > Dick Mays > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > > > The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to build, > > > is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely: > > > > > > "That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 years > > > at the current rate of consumption," said Mike Hayden, the secretary of > > > the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas > > > governor. > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html > > > > > Think yagyas. (Endless fund raising possibilities.) > > > > Heh. The community there is very old and probably doesn't use the latest agricultural > practices. I'm willing to bet that if the TMO manages to set up an organic farm there, they can > stretch the water to last indefintely. > * The problem is, Kansas is in the rain shadow of the Rockies, so crops there depend on sucking up from the Ogalalla reservoir, which will be empty in 25 years. So no matter how clever water use is, the water is still going to go away, the reason being the same as oil deposits are going to go away: the resource is being depleted faster than nature can restore it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Admitting an adult to a mental institution can only be > done by someone sanctioned by the particular state > with that power (i.e., a medical doctor, a > psychologist, a policeman). That admitting person must > present clear evidence that the person is a clear risk > to their own wellbeing or the wellbeing of another. It > is not an easy thing to do at all. > *** The authorities are extremely reluctant to admit people to mental institutions because of the high cost of doing so. When I worked as a civilian for a So. Calif. police force 25 years ago, the cops would get complaints about crazy street people acting out in the neighborhood, but physicians would not usually not admit anybody unless they were clearly nuts, so the crazy guy would go back to the neighborhood and the cops would go nuts dealing with multiple calls about this crazy guy doing his crazy thing in the neighborhood. So the cops learned to tell the crazy guy when they picked him that they were going to take him to the wizard, who would do all sorts of wonderful things for him, getting the guy all excited, so that when they arrived at the hospital and met the doctor, the crazy guy would blurt out "Are you the wizard?", and the doctor would say, Oh yeah, and admit the guy to the psych ward, which would get him off the streets for a while. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds > very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon > observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and > grandiose too?" > > I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. > For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably > just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I > was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. Actually seeing the earth from space and all that shit is no big deal. I had a similar experience years ago, similar to that opening for Universal Pictures where one is traveling around the outside of the globe up close. These things are pretty commonplace if you open up that channel. It was cool and real and everything but that and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee. PS no offense taken. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." > But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- > term effects on the 2000 losers who do take > them up on this offer. What are they going > to do upon re-entering reality after a year > of essentially being institutionalized? > > I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. Of course, it was the reverse with Debbie; she became ill after having institutionalized herself (i.e., in Mother Divine). Also, even if you hadn't gotten it backward, Debbie *had just lost her husband*, for crying out loud. How many of this 2000 will have just lost their spouses when they "re-enter reality"? Honestly, I think some on this forum have never managed to fully reenter reality themselves after their TM stint. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > I think the difference is that the astronauts were > >> > actually in space. For them the perception would > >> > be normal. However MMY is probably just being > >> > poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, > >> so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. > > > My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had > recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but > was trying to impress people by giving the impression > that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. You know, Rick, if *Curtis* is willing to give the guy a bit of benefit of the doubt on this, you might want to think about whether your image of MMY is a little twisted. I once had a vision of the moon in space--*very* different quality from any picture I've ever seen-- during sutra practice. If *I* could have had such a perception, I should think MMY could have had one of the earth in space. For that matter, we've been seeing photos of the earth in space for, what, 40 years. Nobody has to "actually see it" to call up a clear mental image of it whenever they want. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > "An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds > >> > very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon > >> > observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and > >> > grandiose too?" > >> > > >> > I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. > >> > For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably > >> > just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I > >> > was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. > > > My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of > the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the > impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. > what i see is that people are reading too much into every MMY's saying. I doubt if MMY intended to teach that other people's 'reality' is more real than their own, but many people behave in that manner. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what > > > hitting his numbers actually can do. > > > > good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will > > be a problem to measure 'success'. > > Just as a question, do you really think that > even in the TM movement they'll be able to > find 2000 people who have so little going for > them in their lives that they'll be able to > put those lives on hold for a year for a > measly 500 bucks a month? > no, I don't; but the I can't make that assumption, some TMers are very successful in life and some are very poor, not much in the middle... > I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." > But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- > term effects on the 2000 losers who do take > them up on this offer. What are they going > to do upon re-entering reality after a year > of essentially being institutionalized? > maybe so, remember we are talking about adult people here, most of them probably smart above the average. The whole thing looks to me like another TMO PR, been there done that... > I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
did you forget your comment to this post? --- nablus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > >> > "An odd comment to make by you, since what > Maharishi is > saying sounds > > >> > very much like what the astronauts who first > walked on the > moon > > >> > observed and said about our planet. Were they > depersonalized > and > > >> > grandiose too?" > > >> > > > >> > I think the difference is that the astronauts > were actually > in space. > > >> > For them the perception would be normal. > However MMY is > probably > > >> > just being poetic and using flowery language > for his > feelings, so I > > >> > was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my > comment. > > > > > My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had > recently seen a > photo of > > the Earth from space, but was trying to impress > people by giving > the > > impression that from his cosmic perspective, he > was actually > seeing it. > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays wrote: > > > > Dear Sidha Community: > > > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped > > forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill > > Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an > > Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in > > the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been > > wonderful!!! > > > > In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast > > numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators > > need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: > > http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire > > > > Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes > > of your time. > > > > If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can > > receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if > > you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes > > (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are > > interested, you may also say so at the website. > > They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single > mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. > > > > > Please join us. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > Dick Mays > > All Glory to Howard ! And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of > > deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining > > about several of her patients--long-term > > TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe > > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... > > Ahhh, I doubt that claim about ECT. ECT will raise the > dead. I've read the same thing. That's what she's quoted as saying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > > > > If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she > > > needs is a long program! She needs to place her > > > attention 100% in the relative and not drift off > > into > > > some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully > > > engages her mind and FOOD. > > > > > Who said she was ever psychotic? > > I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had > symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological > disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. Especially in people who have just lost their spouse, right? In > fact all the cases of "madness" from TM that I know > about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get > commited for psychotic symtoms. Definition of Psychosis Psychosis: In the general sense, a mental illness that markedly interferes with a person's capacity to meet life's everyday demands. In a specific sense, it refers to a thought disorder in which reality testing is grossly impaired. Symptoms can include seeing, hearing, smelling, or tasting things that are not there; paranoia; and delusional thoughts. Depending on the condition underlying the psychotic symptoms, symptoms may be constant or they may come and go. Psychosis can occur as a result of brain injury or disease, and is seen particularly in schizophrenia and bipolar disordersDiagnosis is by observation and interview. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5110 > These can accompany > severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that > diagnosis. You don't think she could have been clinically depressed? Would a suicide attempt be enough to have someone committed? Also, when someone is committed, as I understand it, it's because they aren't willing or able to sign themselves into the hospital. The original quote from Rick Ross's board says her parents "had her admitted," not "committed." That may be simply imprecise use of terminology; or it may reflect that her parents convinced (or pressured) her to sign herself in. It's possible she was clear-headed enough (if she were seriously depressed, say) to recognize that her parents were right and that she needed to be hospitalized (in which case she would not have had to have been psychotic per se). Because her parents apparently played a major role, we're assuming they went through the full-dress legal procedure and therefore that she must have been psychotic. But that's on the basis of an at least second-hand informal report, something the person says she was told (no source mentioned). The last three sentences of that post give a pretty clear idea of this person's agenda: "The Inside TM-myth about Debbie's condition, 'Doug and Debbie were soul mates. They were totally connected as one soul in two bodies. When Doug died, Debbie no longer had a purpose for living' "In reality, IMHO, once the guru got the bucks.. he had no further use for her. "The individuality was erroded [sic] so slowly & insidiously. The highly honored devotees at the top (of any cultic group) totally surrendered their sense of self to the leader.." It certainly sounds as though the "Inside TM-myth" is that Debbie was depressed, as I suggested. (I suspect that if she "surrendered her sense of self" to anybody, it was to Henning himself.) In any case, I wouldn't put it past this person to try to make it sound as though her illness were *so* bad her parents had to commit her, without actually using the term "committed." This person may have no idea of the circumstances, and hence neither do we. What th f*ck is she doing on a long > program? She's going to relapse again if someone > doesn't know what they are doing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get > > the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. > > Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during > flying session i think -- for being too loud. > > Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. > > Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. > > A number of other cases as i recall. What's the average freakout rate among the normal population? And how does it compare to the freakout rate among TMers as a whole? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
Peter wrote: >--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she >>>needs is a long program! She needs to place her >>>attention 100% in the relative and not drift off >>> >>> >>into >> >> >>>some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully >>>engages her mind and FOOD. >>> >>> >>> >>Who said she was ever psychotic? >> >> > >I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had >symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological >disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In >fact all the cases of "madness" from TM that I know >about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get >commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany >severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that >diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long >program? She's going to relapse again if someone >doesn't know what they are doing. > > Peter, the ayurvedic physician I had in the Bay Area back in the 1990's (has since moved out of the area) was a psychiatrist who was very into treating psychosis from meditation especially for TM'ers and tipped me to an organization and their website for practitioners who treat these disorders. I can't remember the organization and obviously its website, do you know about it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays wrote: > > > > Dear Sidha Community: > > > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped > > forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill > > Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an > > Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in > > the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been > > wonderful!!! > > > > In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast > > numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators > > need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: > > http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire > > > > Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes > > of your time. > > > > If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can > > receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if > > you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes > > (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are > > interested, you may also say so at the website. > > They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single > mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. > > > > > Please join us. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > Dick Mays > > All Glory to Howard ! And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "> Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be > walking the streets today? > > > > I think he would be running a small group and the > miracles marketing > hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. > His description in > the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me > of other leaders I > have seen working their mojo today. > > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of > deprogramming, Margeret > Singer, complaining > > about several of her patients--long-term > TMers--whose > depersonalization was so severe > > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect > it... > > I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but > did discuss her > opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered > state than people > in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization > problems and > dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked > with then she > found in groups that did not spend so much time in > trance states. If > that is true then the batch that will emerge from > the domes in a year > of that massive immersion program should be like a > scene from an old > Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in > formation proving > MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of > a pitch man guru. > Which do you think is more likely? Or perhaps they'll walk out and say, "Oh my!" in full recognition of That which has always been and laugh really hard at all the years they spent looking for something that was always right there. Then they'll ride their bicycle home, eat a sandwich, say Jai Guru Dev! and catch the next plane out of Fairfield. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > > Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You > don't get to choose > > > the reason when you admit them. The admitting > doctor has to determine > > > if the person is not able to function as a > functional adult in > > > society. The parent's perspective on her > condition has nothing to do > > > with the medical determination that would lead > to her > > > institutionalization. > > > > > > > Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be > walking the streets today? > > > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of > deprogramming, Margeret > Singer, complaining > > about several of her patients--long-term > TMers--whose > depersonalization was so severe > > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect > it... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick > Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is sad, from: > > > > > > > > > http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae > > > > > 3921fc1ef5ab5675 > > > > > > > > > > After making many millions, at one time > Maharishi told Doug that > > > he was no > > > > > longer to perform two performances each > night in Las Vegas. That > > > working two > > > > > shows per night (as all other L.V. > celebrities did) would be "too > > > exhausting > > > > > for his nervous system and interfere with > his evolution". So, Doug > > > > > renegotiated his contract for only one > performance nightly. > > > > > > > > > > That was the beginning of Doug's career > decline. > > > > > > > > > > However, Doug had plenty of money at that > point. Doug and Debbie > > > then spent > > > > > their time close with Maharishi, planning > and developing > > > VedaLand... (as > > > > > mentioned in a link above). > > > > > > > > > > Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. > > > > > Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the > TM Movement. She then > > > joined > > > > > the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother > Divine is a convent-like > > > program, but > > > > > the women meditate about six hours per day. > They become very soft > > > spoken and > > > > > spacey. > > > > > > > > > > Today, I was told that Debbie's family had > her admitted to a > mental > > > > > institution a few years ago. deep sigh. > > > > > > > > > > She was once so full of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So... why did they have her committed? Was it > because she was insane > > > or because she was > > > > giving her money away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://g
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
new.morning wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > >> >> >>It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO >>to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. >> >> > > >Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during >flying session i think -- for being too loud. > >Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. > >Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. > >A number of other cases as i recall. > In my tradition we do not get lay people shakti mantras for this very reason. It is felt that they often cannot handle them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe he can hide out with Salman Rushdie
FYI, the fatwa on Rushdie was lifted years ago. He is not hiding out anymore. shempmcgurk wrote: >The Pope must die, says Muslim >18.09.06 > > > A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London >yesterday that the Pope should face execution. > >Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to >capital punishment". > >Should the Pope have apologised for his remarks? Vote here > >His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a >day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope >Benedict XVI appeared to deepen. > >The pontiff yesterday apologised for causing offence during a >lecture last week. Quoting a medieval emperor, his words were taken >to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed "evil and inhuman". > >He insisted he was "deeply sorry" but his humbling words did not go >far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and >anger he has triggered. > >A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came >under attack in Palestine. > >Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time >he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year. > >The 39-year-old lawyer organised > >demonstrations against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed in >February in Denmark. Protesters carried placards declaring "Behead >Those Who Insult Islam". > >Yesterday he said: "The Muslims take their religion very seriously >and non-Muslims must appreciate that and that must also understand >that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the >prophet. > >"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to >capital punishment." > >He added: "I am here have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be >people in Italy or other parts of the world who would carry that >out. > >"I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want >to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam." > >As well as placards attacking the Pope such as "Pope go to Hell", >his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church >also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians >such as "Jesus is the slave of Allah". > >A Scotland Yard spokesman said of his comments: "We have had no >complaints about this. There were around 100 people at the >demonstration. It passed off peacefully and there were no arrests." > >Larger Islamic groups in Britain said they accepted the Pope's >apology. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain >said: "The Vatican has moved quickly to deal with the hurt and we >accept that. > >"It was something that should never have happened - words of that >nature were always likely to cause dismay - and we believe some of >the Pope's advisers may have been at fault over his speech." > >Yesterday's sermon by the Pope was the first time a pontiff has >publicly said sorry. > >He said he regretted Muslim reaction to his speech and stressed that >the quotation did not reflect his personal opinion. Anger and >violence - including attacks on seven churches in the West Bank and >Gaza - have characterised one of the biggest international crises >involving the Vatican in decades. > >The Pope appeared determined to move quickly to try to defuse the >anger but the fury of many radicals was unabated last night and >there were fears for his safety. > >Iraqi jihadists issued a video of a scimitar slicing a cross in two, >intercut with images of Benedict and the burning Twin Towers. > >The website run in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, used by >extremist groups who have claimed responsibility for attacks in >Iraq, was addressed to "You dog of Rome" and threatened to "shake >your thrones and break your crosses in your home". > >In a reference to suicide bombing, it said: "We swear to God to send >you people who adore death as much as you adore life." > >The threat of violence against Catholics and Christians was >emphasised by the murder of an Italian nun in Somalia. Sister >Leonella, 66, was shot as she walked from the children's hospital >where she worked to her house in Mogadishu, a city recently taken >over by an Islamic government. > >A Vatican spokesman said he feared her death was "the fruit of >violence and irrationality arising from the current situation". > >Father Frederico Lombardi said he hoped it was an isolated >event. "We are worried about this wave of hatred and hope it doesn't >have any grave consequences for the Church around the world," he >said. > >The murder suggested that extremists are determined to use the >Pope's embarrassment as an excuse for violence. > >In Turkey, state minister Mehmet Aydin said the Pope seemed to be >saying he was sorry for the outrage but not necessarily for his >remarks. > >"You either have to say this, 'I'm sorry' in a proper way or not say >it at all," he told reporters in Istanbul. > >There were fierce denunciations o
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > "An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds > >> > very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon > >> > observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and > >> > grandiose too?" > >> > > >> > I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. > >> > For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably > >> > just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I > >> > was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. > > > My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of > the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the > impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. He is that. All. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning -- keep anonymous
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning -- keep anonymous on 9/18/06 1:59 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone Jessamine Verrill -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. No. in the courtyard at Pac Pal. Not for the reason you said. My wife was there. Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Swedish. Sten Sjostead (sp?) Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A student. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > "An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds > >> > very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon > >> > observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and > >> > grandiose too?" > >> > > >> > I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. > >> > For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably > >> > just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I > >> > was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. > > > My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of > the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the > impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what > > > hitting his numbers actually can do. > > > > good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will > > be a problem to measure 'success'. > > Just as a question, do you really think that > even in the TM movement they'll be able to > find 2000 people who have so little going for > them in their lives that they'll be able to > put those lives on hold for a year for a > measly 500 bucks a month? > > I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." > But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- > term effects on the 2000 losers who do take > them up on this offer. What are they going > to do upon re-entering reality after a year > of essentially being institutionalized? > > I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. > Don't they have to pay back the $500 per month for room and board? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO > to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A number of other cases as i recall. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] CC and sensitivity?
It's hard to believe that a CC'd weiner isn't less sensitive than a non-CC'd... That's what a doc claimed in a documentary! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > > > > If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she > > > needs is a long program! She needs to place her > > > attention 100% in the relative and not drift off > > into > > > some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully > > > engages her mind and FOOD. > > > > > > > Who said she was ever psychotic? > > I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had > symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological > disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In > fact all the cases of "madness" from TM that I know > about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get > commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany > severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that > diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long > program? She's going to relapse again if someone > doesn't know what they are doing. > It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what > > > hitting his numbers actually can do. > > > > good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will > > be a problem to measure 'success'. > > Just as a question, do you really think that > even in the TM movement they'll be able to > find 2000 people who have so little going for > them in their lives that they'll be able to > put those lives on hold for a year for a > measly 500 bucks a month? > > I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." > But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- > term effects on the 2000 losers who do take > them up on this offer. What are they going > to do upon re-entering reality after a year > of essentially being institutionalized? > > I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. > Welfare. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > > > > If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she > > > needs is a long program! She needs to place her > > > attention 100% in the relative and not drift off > > into > > > some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully > > > engages her mind and FOOD. > > > > > > > Who said she was ever psychotic? > > I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had > symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological > disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In > fact all the cases of "madness" from TM that I know > about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get > commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany > severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that > diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long > program? She's going to relapse again if someone > doesn't know what they are doing. > Well you had best immediately call the psychiatrists who diagnosed her, had her under her daily supervision and monitoring, and then deemed her able to go back to "world" and TMO stuff, and tell them, that you read an internet chat forum about Debbie and tell them, "your diagnosis is TOTALY wrong and inappropriate!" Distance ritam diagnoses are a wonderful thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You > don't get to choose > > the reason when you admit them. The admitting > doctor has to determine > > if the person is not able to function as a > functional adult in > > society. The parent's perspective on her condition > has nothing to do > > with the medical determination that would lead to > her > > institutionalization. > > > > Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking > the streets today? > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of > deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining > about several of her patients--long-term > TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... Ahhh, I doubt that claim about ECT. ECT will raise the dead. > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick > Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > This is sad, from: > > > > > > > http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae > > > > 3921fc1ef5ab5675 > > > > > > > > After making many millions, at one time > Maharishi told Doug that > > he was no > > > > longer to perform two performances each night > in Las Vegas. That > > working two > > > > shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities > did) would be "too > > exhausting > > > > for his nervous system and interfere with his > evolution". So, Doug > > > > renegotiated his contract for only one > performance nightly. > > > > > > > > That was the beginning of Doug's career > decline. > > > > > > > > However, Doug had plenty of money at that > point. Doug and Debbie > > then spent > > > > their time close with Maharishi, planning and > developing > > VedaLand... (as > > > > mentioned in a link above). > > > > > > > > Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. > > > > Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the > TM Movement. She then > > joined > > > > the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother Divine > is a convent-like > > program, but > > > > the women meditate about six hours per day. > They become very soft > > spoken and > > > > spacey. > > > > > > > > Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her > admitted to a mental > > > > institution a few years ago. deep sigh. > > > > > > > > She was once so full of life. > > > > > > > > > > So... why did they have her committed? Was it > because she was insane > > or because she was > > > giving her money away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she > > needs is a long program! She needs to place her > > attention 100% in the relative and not drift off > into > > some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully > > engages her mind and FOOD. > > > > Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In fact all the cases of "madness" from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
"> Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? > I think he would be running a small group and the miracles marketing hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. His description in the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me of other leaders I have seen working their mojo today. > I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining > about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but did discuss her opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered state than people in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization problems and dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked with then she found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance states. If that is true then the batch that will emerge from the domes in a year of that massive immersion program should be like a scene from an old Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in formation proving MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of a pitch man guru. Which do you think is more likely? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose > > the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine > > if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in > > society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do > > with the medical determination that would lead to her > > institutionalization. > > > > Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining > about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > This is sad, from: > > > > > > http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae > > > > 3921fc1ef5ab5675 > > > > > > > > After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that > > he was no > > > > longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That > > working two > > > > shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be "too > > exhausting > > > > for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution". So, Doug > > > > renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly. > > > > > > > > That was the beginning of Doug's career decline. > > > > > > > > However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie > > then spent > > > > their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing > > VedaLand... (as > > > > mentioned in a link above). > > > > > > > > Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. > > > > Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then > > joined > > > > the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother Divine is a convent-like > > program, but > > > > the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft > > spoken and > > > > spacey. > > > > > > > > Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental > > > > institution a few years ago. deep sigh. > > > > > > > > She was once so full of life. > > > > > > > > > > So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane > > or because she was > > > giving her money away? > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what > > hitting his numbers actually can do. > > good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will > be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to notice how the majority > of > > > people > > > > do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program. > > > However > > > > there has always been a certain percentage of > > > people > > > > in the TMO who become psychologically unstable > > > either > > > > after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I > > > > personally know three who became psychotic > after > > > the > > > > siddhis program and one who became psychotic > after > > > > long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what were those people like before they > started > > > TM? > > > > > > TM is a self-development technique. Naturally, > it > > > is going to > > > attract a demographic that is, > disproportionately, > > > made up of those > > > on the fringe; that is, unstables yearning to > > > improve their lives. > > > > > > So it is no wonder that you're going to get the > > > psychotics. > > > > Of course. This has always been a problem whenever > a > > large group of unscreened people take some type of > a > > self-development program. The majority are fine, > but > > there are always some with a predisposition to > > psychosis. > > > > > > And with TM, even most of them do jsut fine as long > as there is SOME level of supervision. > E.G, getting someone to take a few minutes extra > silence at the end of TM if they feel > anxioius or upset, rather than jumping up and > running around in circles screaming "I'm > having an anxiety attack!!!" > > [speaking from personal experience BTW, and not > concerning myself] I think you hit the nail on the head here. There is no supervision of people during long rounding or courses for psychological problems. First of all, nobody is trained to recognized decompensation of an ego and a breakdown of defense mechanisms. And if this is recognized the person is sent home from the course or institutionalized and the TMO washes there hands of them. Not good stuff at all. Decompensating people need professional treatment by trained people with clinical experience. Levi's death at MIU was contributed by the incompetance of a psychologist (I hope the Iowa Board of Psychology or whomever is responsible for licensure in Iowa brought appropriate sanctions against this fool) failing to understand and take appropriate measures with a floridly psychotic student. This is not hindsight, but simple clinical experience recognizing when a fellow psychologist does not understand what they are doing and totally out of their depth. What interferes here is not only lack of clinical experience with psychotics but also the unfortunate cult agenda that believes, a priori, that no ill can come about through any TM program-period. So people in need of psychological help (another TMO forbidden topic) are not recognized to be in need of help and by the time it becomes obvious, it's almost too late. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course > > > that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships > > > of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. > > > This day will always be celebrated as a special turning > > > point in history, Maharishi said. > > > > Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of > > the ranks of those who support themselves and into > > the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their > > lives. That's definitely some kind of "turning point." > > > > So they're willing to commit to a full-time, more or less, > work at improving themselves and the world (at least by > their own beliefs) and you find this sad? > > What's your take on Buddhist monks who live off of donations, BTW? I think it's a bad idea, in any context. I know that this puts me at odds with *lots* of spiritual traditions, but that *is* my considered opinion. Allowing spiritual teachers or spiritual seekers to get used to other people paying for their lives is IMO always bad for their evolution in the long run. Whereas encouraging them to support themselves is always good for their evolution in the long run. Just my opinion. If people want to "round" for a long period of time, they should work two or three jobs and raise the money to pay for it themselves. Such people I would respect. But I don't respect those who allow others to work so that they don't have to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > The movement is probably the most supportive environment for her > > socially. All the rounding may be destabilizing, but she is > movement > > royalty > > > > > Does she get to have her weight in gold like the King did? > > > > Is she a research scientist? Tony Nader's weight in gold was a publicity gimmick. He got that much money as a research grant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." > But if they do, I'm convinced of the long- > term effects on the 2000 losers who do take > them up on this offer. Make that "I'm *concerned about* the long-term effects on the 2000..." > What are they going > to do upon re-entering reality after a year > of essentially being institutionalized? > > I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course > > > that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships > > > of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. > > > This day will always be celebrated as a special turning > > > point in history, Maharishi said. > > > > Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of > > the ranks of those who support themselves and into > > the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their > > lives. That's definitely some kind of "turning point." > > > > So they're willing to commit to a full-time, more or less, > work at improving themselves and the world (at least by > their own beliefs) and you find this sad? > > What's your take on Buddhist monks who live off of donations, BTW? I think it's a bad idea, in any context. I know that this puts me at odds with *lots* of spiritual traditions, but that *is* my considered opinion. Allowing spiritual seekers or spiritual seekers to get used to other people paying for their lives is IMO always bad for their evolution in the long run. Whereas encouraging them to support themselves is always good for their evolution in the long run. Just my opinion. If people want to "round" for a long period of time, they should work two or three jobs and raise the money to pay for it themselves. Such people I would respect. But I don't respect those who allow others to work so that they don't have to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > "An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds > >> > very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon > >> > observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and > >> > grandiose too?" > >> > > >> > I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. > >> > For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably > >> > just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I > >> > was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. > > > My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of > the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the > impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. > ?My vision is..." means he's trying to convince people that he's really up in space looking down? Is that what you're trying to say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From a friend: > > rick, > > noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in > vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for > awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. > Sounds Like Judy was right: was a depressiona thing after Doug died, not her family's decision to take her out of circulation (which is how theoriginal post sounded). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > It is interesting to notice how the majority of > > people > > > do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program. > > However > > > there has always been a certain percentage of > > people > > > in the TMO who become psychologically unstable > > either > > > after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I > > > personally know three who became psychotic after > > the > > > siddhis program and one who became psychotic after > > > long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi. > > > > > > > > > > And what were those people like before they started > > TM? > > > > TM is a self-development technique. Naturally, it > > is going to > > attract a demographic that is, disproportionately, > > made up of those > > on the fringe; that is, unstables yearning to > > improve their lives. > > > > So it is no wonder that you're going to get the > > psychotics. > > Of course. This has always been a problem whenever a > large group of unscreened people take some type of a > self-development program. The majority are fine, but > there are always some with a predisposition to > psychosis. > > And with TM, even most of them do jsut fine as long as there is SOME level of supervision. E.G, getting someone to take a few minutes extra silence at the end of TM if they feel anxioius or upset, rather than jumping up and running around in circles screaming "I'm having an anxiety attack!!!" [speaking from personal experience BTW, and not concerning myself] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose > the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine > if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in > society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do > with the medical determination that would lead to her > institutionalization. > Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > This is sad, from: > > > > http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444&start=30&sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae > > > 3921fc1ef5ab5675 > > > > > > After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that > he was no > > > longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That > working two > > > shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be "too > exhausting > > > for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution". So, Doug > > > renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly. > > > > > > That was the beginning of Doug's career decline. > > > > > > However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie > then spent > > > their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing > VedaLand... (as > > > mentioned in a link above). > > > > > > Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. > > > Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then > joined > > > the TM "Mother Divine Program". Mother Divine is a convent-like > program, but > > > the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft > spoken and > > > spacey. > > > > > > Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental > > > institution a few years ago. deep sigh. > > > > > > She was once so full of life. > > > > > > > So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane > or because she was > > giving her money away? > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what > > hitting his numbers actually can do. > > good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will > be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? I'm not convinced they'll "hit the numbers." But if they do, I'm convinced of the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she > needs is a long program! She needs to place her > attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into > some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully > engages her mind and FOOD. > Who said she was ever psychotic? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to build, > > is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely: > > > > "That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 years > > at the current rate of consumption," said Mike Hayden, the secretary of > > the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas > > governor. > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html > > > Think yagyas. (Endless fund raising possibilities.) > Heh. The community there is very old and probably doesn't use the latest agricultural practices. I'm willing to bet that if the TMO manages to set up an organic farm there, they can stretch the water to last indefintely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Sidha Community: > > I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped > forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill > Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an > Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in > the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been > wonderful!!! > > In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast > numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators > need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: > http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire > > Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes > of your time. > > If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can > receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if > you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes > (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are > interested, you may also say so at the website. They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. > > Please join us. > > Thank you very much. > > Jai Guru Dev, > Dick Mays > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
