[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. In that contest, as with so much else in your life, you were an also ran. :-)
[FairfieldLife] One of the kittest kits I've seen!
Two hi-hats and stuff? http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/marcominnemann1.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: One of the kittest kits I've seen!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two hi-hats and stuff? http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/marcominnemann1.html He must a TM-Sidha! Otherwise this is unconceivable: http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/marcominnemannmen2.html Whoa!! :D
[FairfieldLife] Mother Meera in India
Mother Meera will be receiving visitors at her Indian Home in Madanapalle (Madanapalli) where also westerners are welcome from the 26 Jan - 12 Feb. Its the first time she is available for western visitors in India. Please note that you should not travel to India for this reason, but you are welcome if you already happen to be in India at this time, or any of your friends. Reservations are not needed. There is also a Maharishi Mandir in Madanapalle, where Maharishi stayed 1/2 year before he went to the west.See further details on my blog http://hanumandaz.livejournal.com/24011.html . She will be back in Germany http://home.tiscali.de/maatrix/mother-meera-visit.html at February 16th and stay until eastern (9th April) She will vist LA (Apr 12-15) http://mother-meera-la.com , Denver (Apr 20-22, 27-29) http://mothermeerahomecolorado.org/ and Chicago (May 4-6, 11 - 13) http://mothermeeraashram.org/Main/ashram/registration.jsp (reservations for 18-20 are not taken) For New York check here http://mothermeeraashramnortheast.org/ , but nothing is fixed yet. I wish all of you a happy New Year
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Practice Groups of FF, Directory
Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, What is going on in Fairfield? The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Within these past three decades, Fairfield spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a rich, new face. The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center for spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in Fairfield is now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century. ___Alphabetical: A Course in Miracles, Mondays 7:30 pm. Local contact: 472-7148. Ammachi Fairfield Satsang Ammachi Fairfield weekly schedule of meditation, chanting, and bhajans contact: 472-8563 Art of Living Foundation -Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Meditation and program schedule in Fairfield. 472-2053 Babaji Group: Local contact: 472-9952 Bapuji Group Shri Avadoot, better known as ³Bapuji². Local contact: 472-9260 Chalanda Sai Maa Satang in Fairfield Group meditations based on the teachings of Chalanda Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi. First and third Monday of the month at 7:30 PM. Call for location information: 472-5175. Circle of Sophia a holy order for women at St. Gabriel and All Angels, the Liberal Catholic Church. Original worship celebration, written from sources in ancient Christianity, enlivens the Feminine Divine for both men and women. Celebrations monthly. 300 E. Burlington. www.stgabe.org, 472- 1645, for information and calendar. Deeksha Darshan and teachings of Bhagavan Kalki Padmavati Amma Fairfield contact for local program: 472-6948 Divine Mother Church in Fairfield ³We don¹t talk about God, we commune with God². Sundays 10 AM; 409 W. Broadway; 472-0662. Fairfield Vedic Pujas, Yagyas and Ceremonies Scheduled public events always open to interested persons. By Vedic Scholar and Priest, Pandit Dhruv Narain Sharma: 630-240-3368 Fellowship of the Holy Spirit in Fairfield ³Consciousness, Joy, and Devotion: Christianity that works.² Sundays, 11 AM, Gateridge Building, 1100 N. 4th. 472-8737. Friends Meeting Fairfield Society of Friends (Quakers) Un-programmed silent meeting for worship. 472-8422. Gangaji Group Local contact: 472-9476. Golden Shield Qi Gong Fairfield practice: 641-919-3913. Hatha Yoga classes. Sue Berkey: 472-6577 Henry Hertzberger Chanting, Pujas Yagyas. Mahaganapati Temple Schedule: Fairfield Shri Karunamayi Satsang Fairfield Group Meditation and Program. 472-8422 Liberal Catholic Church in Fairfield St Gabriel and all Angels, 300 E. Burlington. 472-1625 Manavata Mandir Vedic Temple 800 W. Burlington in Fairfield. 469-6041. Mother Meera: 641.472.5149 Saniel Bonder, `Waking Down' in Fairfield. Sittings calendar: call 472-7182. Scalar Group Meditation Programs facilitated by Lilli Botchis. A unique opportunity as a group to research in mind/body consciousness the universal themes of pure energy and manifestation potential of HHFe Scalar wave regeneration system. Programs designed to clear, balance and open the chakra system. 472-0129. Shivabalayogi Group All are welcome. There is never any charge for Swamiji's blessings. For further information, contact: 641-233-1025. Svaroopa Yoga (641) 472-7499. Tetra Building TM-Sidhi Meditation Practice Room. Daily morning and afternoon meditation facility for the practice of the TM-Sidhi meditation program. A quiet, clean and convenient place (to do program). Contact David Hawthorne for use and membership information: 472-3799. Transcendental Meditation Programs: 641-919.8188 or 472-1174 Transformational Prayer in Fairfield For information on Fairfield activities, call 472-0662. Wednesday Night Satsang - Every Wednesday starting at 8pm Central Time. Kirkwood Apartments just east of Sidha Insurance near 4th and Kirkwood. First apartment on the right, up the stairs. The mechanics of what happens in the Wednesday Night Satsang is as follows. With anywhere from a dozen or more awake people in the room there begins a sharing of how the wholeness of the awakening has or is being experienced/lived by one or more awake people. This sharing stirs the wholeness into activity. Those in the room feel it in a palpable way. The sharing of the experience of how it is gives everyone in the room direct and complete understanding of what this wholeness is. Any one who is in the room then has the direct physical experience of wholeness and the intellectual understanding of how and why wholeness is lived. This completes the fullness of both the experience and the intellectual understanding simultaneously. That is how those who are in the room enhance their own awakening and those who haven't quite got it complete the search. Tom Traynor - 919-6917 The Active Spiritual Practice Groups
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:04 PM, bob_brigante wrote: In your post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/126763 I found it interesting that Maharishi repeated several times that people should only be meditating 3-4 hours. I wonder if this message got through to Bevan et al who are requiring invincibility course participants to do 8 hours: He probably contradicts himself quite often. Always has. So do the most enlightened teachers I've encountered on the planet. The constant contradiction is not a problem IMO; the tendency for people to want not to *deal* with the contradiction and say that one version is the correct version is where the problem lies. :-) I guess I've been fortunate, few of my teachers did contradict themselves, in one case when a student brought up contradictions, the teacher explained why that sometimes occurred and what it meant (in that context) and why contradictions are sometimes just irreconcilable (and that's fine). The recent posts attributed to him seem to indicate some senility. I wouldn't say senility. I have seen no real sign of the more common forms of senility. But I *am* getting really tired of the kind of echolalia he indulges in (repeating words that don't need to be repeated). That's certainly becoming more pronounced lately. Yes it is. I suspect he is about the average level of senility for his age. Transcripts and audio feeds seem rather edited. So he's probably said both 3-4 and 8 if you go back in the transcripts. What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Bingo. The gist of this latest talk seems to be, These are the experiences I want to hear. Don't bother to get up to the microphone if you don't have one of these type of experiences to relate. And, by the way, what you *really* want to do more than anything else on this course is to get yourself on the LIST of people who are *having* the type of experiences I want to hear about. Well duh...what do you think people are going to be falling all over themselves to report from now on? It's likely the last big chance to do so. It doesn't matter if the teaching is corrupted or represents a departure from that particular enlightenment-tradition, it's what the people want--and if the people don't get what they want, there'll be no more real cash-flow. Plus I'm sure M. likes to be on the answering end of the mike--it's a real ego-boost for an old businessman. It's interesting, the Tibetan word for meditative experiences, nyams, even refers to meditation experiences as meditative moods (meditative mood-making). It's instructive just reading the definition: nyams debased [RY] experience [RY] nga'i nyams la bltas na + tshod red - I feel that [RY] 1) experience and feeling; 2) mental 'gyur ba externally symbolized in body and speech expressions or, tshugs ka; 3) experience of, familiarity; 4) [in] mind 'ong [IW] Temporary experiences [RY] nyams kyi snang ba visions of (ephemeral) (meditative) experience [RB] must endure [RY] feeling-sentiment, failures, soul, thought, strength, state, experiences, deteriorate, faults, experiential sign of the development of practice, violation, conviction, transgressor, corruption, corrupted, humiliated, apprehension of ideas, soul, manner, extent, degree, condition, elegance, charm, dignity, meditative experience, mystical experience, corrupted, meditation- mood, meditative moods, moods, diminish, signs-experiences, sign experience [JV] ephemeral meditative experience; fleeting experience [RB] 1) [meditative / temporary] experience, meditation-moods. 2) vision. 3) Abbr. of nyams pa 4) imposing air / presence / dignity, haughty, arrogant. 5) elegance, charm, handsome, elegant. 6) thought, mind, spirit. 7) impairment, impairment, sentiment [in dramatic arts]. thought, experiential sign of the development of practice, experiences, withered; experience, meditation experience; violate, damage, deteriorate, weaken [in context of vows and commitments] [RY] feeling-sentiment, failures, soul, thought, strength, state, experiences, deteriorate, faults, experiential sign of the development of practice, violation, conviction, transgressor, corruption, corrupted, humiliated, apprehension of ideas, soul, manner, extent, degree, condition, elegance, charm, dignity, meditative experience, mystical experience, corrupted, meditation- mood, meditative moods, moods, diminish, signs-experiences, sign experience, impairments [JV] It *surprised* me to see MMY pandering to the inherent tendency in spiritual devotees to *moodmake* the type of experiences they have been *told* are expected of them. It did surprise me too. When it got to repeating more of these old patterns, it was a red flag for me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Dec 31, 2006, at 11:19 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Yeah, received an excited phone call yesterday from someone on the TM invincibility course, that Maharishi wants to hear of those having experiences with the dieties. irony that those who do see or understand the devatas are mostly quiet and under ground about it, any rising to share within the movement culture has long since been grounds for being hounded and rooted out of the dome in the ongoing rein of terror of the administration of their natural law here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Why would you want to encourage such nonsense? Since there's no spiritual benefit, one has to assume it's to raise more money. Some people pay would pay for that. It is a niche market. Yeah, interesting the currency in the end now is changing to those who speak with the devatas, or is that, favor now towards hearing voices ...and now speaking in tongues is going to be rated? The Spiritualist circus is coming to the domes next. Spiritualist is really a good word. There is no indication (from any of the reports I've read) that these *are* experiences of devatas but merely meditative moods. This stuff has happened for decades, now it's suddenly chic and good? This would be a sign for me that the movement is over as far as evolution goes if this is what the founder is promoting and expecting. It also is a clue to his own level of realization and that it is really not that great. Ah, if only slapping a title on yourself could make it so! But you still *can* fool some of the people, some of the time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:50 AM, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Why would you want to encourage such nonsense? Since there's no spiritual benefit, one has to assume it's to raise more money. Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the current course is free. You meant to say underwritten, right?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:50 AM, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Why would you want to encourage such nonsense? Since there's no spiritual benefit, one has to assume it's to raise more money. Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the current course is free. And what do you want to bet there's plugs for $$ every day? The TMO never does anything for free. They'll grab you for as much as they can, one way or another. Or at least bombard you with advertisement and suggestions. The only reason the current course is free (from what I can tell) is that some very wealthy TB's, seeing the movement floundering and dying a slow death, decided to underwrite it. In other words, this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't bought and paid for. I also strongly suspect the recent deployment of Vedic-sacrificial experts is helping bring more dollars from the remaining millionaire TB's as they can finally see it is happening and therefore see it as a worthwhile thing to throw money at.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Vaj wrote: It's interesting, the Tibetan word for meditative experiences, nyams, even refers to meditation experiences as meditative moods (meditative mood-making). It's instructive just reading the definition: nyams debased [RY] experience [RY] nga'i nyams la bltas na + tshod red - I feel that [RY] 1) experience and feeling; 2) mental 'gyur ba externally symbolized in body and speech expressions or, tshugs ka; 3) experience of, familiarity; 4) [in] mind 'ong [IW] Temporary experiences [RY] nyams kyi snang ba visions of (ephemeral) (meditative) experience [RB] must endure [RY] feeling-sentiment, failures, soul, thought, strength, state, experiences, deteriorate, faults, experiential sign of the development of practice, violation, conviction, transgressor, corruption, corrupted, humiliated, apprehension of ideas, soul, manner, extent, degree, condition, elegance, charm, dignity, meditative experience, mystical experience, corrupted, meditation- mood, meditative moods, moods, diminish, signs-experiences, sign experience [JV] ephemeral meditative experience; fleeting experience [RB] 1) [meditative / temporary] experience, meditation-moods. 2) vision. 3) Abbr. of nyams pa 4) imposing air / presence / dignity, haughty, arrogant. 5) elegance, charm, handsome, elegant. 6) thought, mind, spirit. 7) impairment, impairment, sentiment [in dramatic arts]. thought, experiential sign of the development of practice, experiences, withered; experience, meditation experience; violate, damage, deteriorate, weaken [in context of vows and commitments] [RY] feeling-sentiment, failures, soul, thought, strength, state, experiences, deteriorate, faults, experiential sign of the development of practice, violation, conviction, transgressor, corruption, corrupted, humiliated, apprehension of ideas, soul, manner, extent, degree, condition, elegance, charm, dignity, meditative experience, mystical experience, corrupted, meditation- mood, meditative moods, moods, diminish, signs-experiences, sign experience, impairments [JV] Also: nyams pa (Tha mi dad pa,, broken, torn, damaged, hurt spoiled injur[e][d][y], degenera[cy][tion], deteriorat[e][tion], decline, impaired, fall away from, depravity, destroy, ruin, damage, violation [of vows], exhaustion, emaciation, offense, corruption, transgress[ion][or], violat[or][ed], lost, declined, degenerate[d], lowered, sink, corrupted, decreased, damaged, impaired, failed, fallen from, gone down, [fallen into] decay, waned, faded away, withered, exhausted, thin, weakened, deprived, ruined, weakened [in context of vows and commitments]- [be] spoiled [IW] de las nyams pa - falling back from those states [RY] get weaker [RY] impairment (of vow/ precept); impaired [RB] slip, drop, decrease, injured, damaged, decline, defects, degenerate, deteriorate, subject to destruction, wasted, spoiled, degenerated, injured, hurt, spoiled, impaired, imperfect, defiled, polluted, degeneration [JV] I) verb nyams pa, nyams pa, nyams pa intr. v. to break, be broken, corrupted, damaged, decay, decline, declined, decreased, degenerated, deprived, deteriorate, deteriorated, diminished, exhausted, faded away, failed, fall away from, fallen from, fallen into decay, gone down, impaired, injured, lost, lowered, ruined, spoiled, thin, violated, waned, weaken, weakened, withered. II) 1) n. degeneracy, deterioration, decline, decay, degeneration, depravity, ruin, injury, damage, exhaustion, emaciation, weakening. 2) violation, offense, corruption, transgression, impairment. 3) violator, transgressor [RY] to spoil [RY]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. (In any case, as I recall, it was Kook of the Month, not Kook of the Year.) In that contest, as with so much else in your life, you were an also ran. :-) Pity you never even got a nomination, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 11:19 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: snip Yeah, interesting the currency in the end now is changing to those who speak with the devatas, or is that, favor now towards hearing voices...and now speaking in tongues is going to be rated? The Spiritualist circus is coming to the domes next. Spiritualist is really a good word. Well, not really. Spiritualism is the belief that one can communicate through a medium with the spirits of the dead, not with deities. (Or, more generically, the belief that reality is ultimately constituted of Spirit.) And according to what DHamilton reports of the phone call he received, what MMY is looking for is experiences of deities, not necessarily communicating with them, much less hearing voices or speaking in tongues.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. You had to go search sci.skeptic to find out how many votes I'd gotten?? Jeez. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) The folks on sci.skeptic who weren't former TMers were very largely ignorant of TM and tended to bash TM and TMers just on principle, so, yes, they were intellectually dishonest, if not personally angry at TM/the TMO/MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:50 AM, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Why would you want to encourage such nonsense? Since there's no spiritual benefit, one has to assume it's to raise more money. Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the current course is free. And what do you want to bet there's plugs for $$ every day? The TMO never does anything for free. They'll grab you for as much as they can, one way or another. Or at least bombard you with advertisement and suggestions. The only reason the current course is free (from what I can tell) is that some very wealthy TB's, seeing the movement floundering and dying a slow death, decided to underwrite it. In other words, this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't bought and paid for. I also strongly suspect the recent deployment of Vedic- sacrificial experts is helping bring more dollars from the remaining millionaire TB's as they can finally see it is happening and therefore see it as a worthwhile thing to throw money at. Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. You had to go search sci.skeptic to find out how many votes I'd gotten?? Jeez. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) The folks on sci.skeptic who weren't former TMers were very largely ignorant of TM and tended to bash TM and TMers just on principle, so, yes, they were intellectually dishonest, if not personally angry at TM/the TMO/MMY. I think we understand, Judy...you've been saying the same thing for over a decade. Anyone who doesn't do TM is ignorant. It's the TMO version of humility. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. You had to go search sci.skeptic to find out how many votes I'd gotten?? Jeez. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) The folks on sci.skeptic who weren't former TMers were very largely ignorant of TM and tended to bash TM and TMers just on principle, so, yes, they were intellectually dishonest, if not personally angry at TM/the TMO/MMY. I think we understand, Judy...you've been saying the same thing for over a decade. Anyone who doesn't do TM is ignorant. I've never said that, as you know. Why on earth would you want to tell such a silly lie? It's the TMO version of humility. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. In that contest, as with so much else in your life, you were an also ran. :-) Sigh, new New Years Resolution, Barry?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And there is no real instruction in the value and the problem with meditative experiences and/or how to handle them. Of course,. from the reports, and by common sense, the people who are willing to come to this course are not HAVING problems.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One of the kittest kits I've seen!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Two hi-hats and stuff? http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/marcominnemann1.html He must a TM-Sidha! Otherwise this is unconceivable: http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/marcominnemannmen2.html Whoa!! :D If he is classically trained, he accomplished that by hours and hours and hours of practicing very, very, VERY slowly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Spiritualist is really a good word. There is no indication (from any of the reports I've read) that these *are* experiences of devatas but merely meditative moods. This stuff has happened for decades, now it's suddenly chic and good? This would be a sign for me that the movement is over as far as evolution goes if this is what the founder is promoting and expecting. It also is a clue to his own level of realization and that it is really not that great. Ah, if only slapping a title on yourself could make it so! But you still *can* fool some of the people, some of the time. Which reports have you read, BTW? Seems to me that the only one you explicitly commented on i FFL, you were supportive of. Of course that was in the context of someone who had just brought other teachers into the conversation. I guess if she had NOT done that you would have refrained from complementing on her experiences in a positive way or even made comments as above...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:50 AM, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Why would you want to encourage such nonsense? Since there's no spiritual benefit, one has to assume it's to raise more money. Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the current course is free. And what do you want to bet there's plugs for $$ every day? The TMO never does anything for free. They'll grab you for as much as they can, one way or another. Or at least bombard you with advertisement and suggestions. The only reason the current course is free (from what I can tell) is that some very wealthy TB's, seeing the movement floundering and dying a slow death, decided to underwrite it. In other words, this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't bought and paid for. So, the TMO has never managed to raise $12 million from donors in a single year before? I also strongly suspect the recent deployment of Vedic-sacrificial experts is helping bring more dollars from the remaining millionaire TB's as they can finally see it is happening and therefore see it as a worthwhile thing to throw money at. How do you know it is a dwindling set of millionaire TBs?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 11:19 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: snip Yeah, interesting the currency in the end now is changing to those who speak with the devatas, or is that, favor now towards hearing voices...and now speaking in tongues is going to be rated? The Spiritualist circus is coming to the domes next. Spiritualist is really a good word. Well, not really. Spiritualism is the belief that one can communicate through a medium with the spirits of the dead, not with deities. (Or, more generically, the belief that reality is ultimately constituted of Spirit.) And according to what DHamilton reports of the phone call he received, what MMY is looking for is experiences of deities, not necessarily communicating with them, much less hearing voices or speaking in tongues. My intution says that he doesn't mean visions of 4-armed, blue skinned fellows, either...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:50 AM, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Why would you want to encourage such nonsense? Since there's no spiritual benefit, one has to assume it's to raise more money. Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the current course is free. You meant to say underwritten, right? What course would be truely free? Either it is paid for now, later, or by income from the past...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) In general, yeah. Non-angry and usually honest critics of anything don't indulge in ad hoc web-sites, ad hominem attacks, etc., on proponents of what they are critical of.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) In general, yeah. Non-angry and usually honest critics of anything don't indulge in ad hoc web-sites, ad hominem attacks, etc., on proponents of what they are critical of. I think he was referring here to the denizens of sci.skeptic generally, not the Web-site owners (although like two of the latter, the sci.skeptic folks had no firsthand knowledge of TM, and were even less well informed second-hand).
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Spirituality, Welcome to Spiritual Awakening
_ From: Timothy Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:49 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Spirituality, Welcome to Spiritual Awakening Greetings, dear Rick Thank you for passing along news of the new comprehensive website to your list. It's interesting that the only feedback thus far received was about my connections with MMY and Sathya Sai. You can pass along to your readership the following: For the record, I've never had any connection with the TM movement, never even signed up for the basic med. course. I did read a couple of books about Gurudev and the various expose' articles that former- and current TMers have put up on the web. And of course i've had a number of friends who've come through various levels of the TM movement and told me about their wonderful and not-so-wonderful times with TM. As for Sathya Sai Baba (SSB), i did participate for many years in some local SSB centers (first L.A. in 1979, then S.Francisco in 1980-7 [it was during that period that i served as a local officer of the SSB movement] and Santa Barbara from 1988-2000) because i loved the emphasis on bhajan-singing and charitable service projects to the wider community. (SSB was NOT and never was my primary spiritual connection--that honor belongs to the God-Self pure and simple, along with a very early connection to Sri Ramana Maharshi from 1972 onward and also, from 1986 on to Amma Amritanandamayi.) For many years i felt that the SSB movement was, comparatively speaking, one of the cleaner groups around--all meetings were free, no pressure to raise funds, no pressure to gain recruits, no structured levels of initiation, no emphasis on pushing untried or dubious techniques, a lovely blend of nondual wisdom and nondual devotion teachings, tolerance of religious participation in other groups by members, and a wonderful group of people with whom to associate. The shadow side of SSB and the higher (more hierarchical) levels of the organization were never exposed for view until around 1999-2000. There had been one early clue about SSB's homosexual orientation in an old book by Tal Brooke, but Tal was such an obviously biased messenger by the time he wrote his book (fundamentalist evangelical Christian, adamantly anti-Hindu), and so megalomaniacal in his own descriptions of his time with SSB (and in the third-person accounts by a few friends who knew Tal back then), that Tal's message about SSB's shadow side, while noteworthy as an interesting footnote for all those years in the latter 1980s and 1990s, could not be reliably trusted. It was only when material emerged on Prof. David Christopher Lane's website in the late 1990s and then Britisher David Bailey stood up with his 2000 revelations in The Findings (posted online), that many of us began to realize that something was seriously wrong, and we immediately responded by standing up for truth and justice and, not getting any mature response from the leadership of the SSB org, most of us who took this stand promptly departed the SSB movement altogether. Anyway, at my www.enlightened-spirituality.org website, there is a long page in the Healthy / Unhealthy Spirituality section that lists warning signs on dysfunctional cults that your readers may be interested to peruse, along with dozens of other essays. And yes, when i get the time, i've been meaning to put up some of the open letters i wrote about SSB in early 2001. Just today i posted the link (at the Nondual Spirituality section of the site) to a couple of open letters i wrote about my old friend Ramesh Balsekar that have been up at the www.inner-quest.org French website on advaita for a couple of years. I'll try to put up the stuff on SSB sometime in the next week. All the best to anyone who reads this! Love to each and every being, emanations of the One Self Timothy - Original Message - From: Rick Archer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Timothy Conway Ph. D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: FW: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Spirituality, Welcome to Spiritual Awakening Some discussion about your site on FairfieldLife. HRsize=2 width=100% align=center tabindex=-1 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Gillam Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Spirituality, Welcome to Spiritual Awakening --- In FairfieldLife@ mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) In general, yeah. Non-angry and usually honest critics of anything don't indulge in ad hoc web-sites, ad hominem attacks, etc., on proponents of what they are critical of. You're trying to pull the same propaganda stunt that Judy runs here. These people didn't come down on Judy because she was a TMer, ferchris- sakes; they came down on her because she's JUDY. I followed sci.skeptic for a while. They did NOT rag on TMers because they were TMers. They ragged on abusive, arrogant posters because they were abusive and arrogant. That's where Judy fit in. It's all about her personality, and how she wields it. It wouldn't have mattered to those people if she had been a member of a cargo cult from the South Pacific; they'd still have found her tactics repugnant. *That* is what you're trying to obscure by claiming that they reacted to her as they did because she was a TMer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book. Vaj sees things his way, you see things your way, that's all. Me, I see the underwriting as a nostalgic attempt by a few wealthy long-term members of the TM movement to allow Maharishi to die with his illusions that he still *has* a movement intact. I think it's nice that the tiny handful of people who still care enough to bounce on their butts together get to do so; if that has any effect whatsoever on the world I think that's nice, too. But I think it takes some pretty rose-colored glasses to view the history of this particular course as a success. It's the *illusion* of a success, salvaged by outsourcing the buttbouncing to India and funded by a few individuals who care as much about preserving the illusion that the TMO still *is* a movement as much as Maharishi does. In many ways, that's noble. I think it's sweet that a tiny handful of people still believe in the ME and believe in Maharishi and are willing to put their money where their beliefs are. But don't ask me to call the papier mache illusion created by that handful and their money a success. For me, a success would be if Maharishi put out a call to action to his many students over the years and those students did what was asked of them. Do the math -- let's say that the TMO has (conservatively) taught 1,200,000 people to meditate over the years. But only 1200 or so people -- at the *peak* of the pre-pundit numbers -- answered the call and bothered to show up for this course. If you can't do the math, that's -- synchronistically -- one-tenth of one percent. First the TMO asked its movement to come, then they begged the movement to come, then they dropped the price and begged again, and finally they resorted to threats and started making noises about the horrible things that would happen to the world if they *didn't* come. Nobody else came. So they outsourced the effort, and tried to *hire* people from within the movement to buttbounce together. And they didn't even do *that* with their *own* money; one of the faithful had to step in and offer to do it for them. Then when *that* wasn't working either they took his money and spent it to staff up the course with paid labor from India. Some movement. Jim, I've been watching the short history of this course fairly closely, and I don't think I've mistated the sequence of events above. What does it say about *your* spiritual practice that you see that history as a success? One tenth of one percent, Jim. It cuts both ways. For the record, I think it's *sad* that the TMO destroyed itself. I think it could have been a real force on this planet if it had stuck to what it was good at -- teaching people a simple, easily-learned technique of meditation, and otherwise staying the fuck out of their lives. But they didn't. They chose to self-destruct instead. And now they choose to pretend that they didn't self-destruct, by hiring people from another country to come to American and stand in for the members of the movement who stopped being part of it long ago. A movement only moves when it has members *to* move. If you've systematically driven them all away for decades and *then* ask them to move and they don't, I think that the sane thing to do would be to step back and rethink all that you've done to *destroy* your own movement. The TMO, obviously, doesn't think that way; they'd rather hire kids from India so that they can pretend they still have one. 'Nuff said.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Jan 1, 2007, at 11:53 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:50 AM, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What's disturbing to me is his emphasis on subtle meditative moods and getting the students to wallow in them. Why would you want to encourage such nonsense? Since there's no spiritual benefit, one has to assume it's to raise more money. Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the current course is free. And what do you want to bet there's plugs for $$ every day? The TMO never does anything for free. They'll grab you for as much as they can, one way or another. Or at least bombard you with advertisement and suggestions. The only reason the current course is free (from what I can tell) is that some very wealthy TB's, seeing the movement floundering and dying a slow death, decided to underwrite it. In other words, this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't bought and paid for. I'm shocked, shocked! to hear that. I had no idea. I also strongly suspect the recent deployment of Vedic- sacrificial experts is helping bring more dollars from the remaining millionaire TB's as they can finally see it is happening and therefore see it as a worthwhile thing to throw money at. Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book. Um, that he's honestly expressing how he feels about it? And what does the success (or lack thereof) of the course have to do with who may be funding it? He didn't say anything about that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One of the kittest kits I've seen!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two hi-hats and stuff? http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/marcominnemann1.html Damn, As a drummer I wanted to see that and my computer won't let me... But Mark Brzeziski from 'Big Country' was using two hi-hats (1314) as long ago as 1986.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book. Vaj sees things his way, you see things your way, that's all. Me, I see the underwriting as a nostalgic attempt by a few wealthy long-term members of the TM movement to allow Maharishi to die with his illusions that he still *has* a movement intact. But the TMO is constantly getting infusions of millions of dollars. Your logic is flawed. This is the first time that MMY has directed such infusions to sponsor participation in such a large course of this type IN THIS COUNTRY, but donors have sponsored large courses in other countries, and of course donors have been purchasing land and building buildings for the TMO for decades. I gotta think that you know this, given how long you have hung around the TMO taking snipes at it, so the question arises: why do you pretend that your speculation is meant seriously?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) In general, yeah. Non-angry and usually honest critics of anything don't indulge in ad hoc web-sites, ad hominem attacks, etc., on proponents of what they are critical of. I think he was referring here to the denizens of sci.skeptic generally, not the Web-site owners (although like two of the latter, the sci.skeptic folks had no firsthand knowledge of TM, and were even less well informed second-hand). sci.skeptic denizens either engage in reasoned arguments when presented with reasoned arguments, or they don't. Those that do, are reasonable people, by definition. Those that don't, fall into the angry, usually [intellectually] dishonest category, by definition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) In general, yeah. Non-angry and usually honest critics of anything don't indulge in ad hoc web-sites, ad hominem attacks, etc., on proponents of what they are critical of. You're trying to pull the same propaganda stunt that Judy runs here. These people didn't come down on Judy because she was a TMer, ferchris- sakes; they came down on her because she's JUDY. I followed sci.skeptic for a while. They did NOT rag on TMers because they were TMers. They ragged on abusive, arrogant posters because they were abusive and arrogant. That's where Judy fit in. It's all about her personality, and how she wields it. It wouldn't have mattered to those people if she had been a member of a cargo cult from the South Pacific; they'd still have found her tactics repugnant. *That* is what you're trying to obscure by claiming that they reacted to her as they did because she was a TMer. My recollection is that they ragged on her because she was arguing in a reasoned way, which challenged all sorts of things important to them, so they responded with the net- kook nomination.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: For the record, I think it's *sad* that the TMO destroyed itself. I think it could have been a real force on this planet if it had stuck to what it was good at -- teaching people a simple, easily-learned technique of meditation That's really the issue IMO--the early courses were wonderful, great food, laid-back atmosphere, reasonable prices, etc. Then they got weird and outsourced the whole thing to the control-freaks and $$-grubbers. Looking back now it's hard to believe it was the same movement. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book. Vaj sees things his way, you see things your way, that's all. Me, I see the underwriting as a nostalgic attempt by a few wealthy long-term members of the TM movement to allow Maharishi to die with his illusions that he still *has* a movement intact. But the TMO is constantly getting infusions of millions of dollars. Your logic is flawed. This is the first time that MMY has directed such infusions to sponsor participation in such a large course of this type IN THIS COUNTRY, but donors have sponsored large courses in other countries, and of course donors have been purchasing land and building buildings for the TMO for decades. I gotta think that you know this, given how long you have hung around the TMO taking snipes at it, so the question arises: why do you pretend that your speculation is meant seriously? The bottom line is that Maharishi *can't* get 2000 people together for one of his courses unless he hires people from India to staff it. Color it how you will...in my book that speaks for itself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: For the record, I think it's *sad* that the TMO destroyed itself. I think it could have been a real force on this planet if it had stuck to what it was good at -- teaching people a simple, easily-learned technique of meditation That's really the issue IMO--the early courses were wonderful, great food... Not always...remember Poland Spring and the rotten produce? And some of the courses in Switzerland where we got brussel sprouts four to five nights a week? I *still* can't look a brussel sprout in the eye after my last course. :-) ...laid-back atmosphere, reasonable prices, etc. Then they got weird and outsourced the whole thing to the control- freaks and $$-grubbers. Looking back now it's hard to believe it was the same movement. Remember the tragedy of knowledge tape? It's the perfect explanation for what has happened to the TM movement, and Maharishi didn't even have to die first.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) In general, yeah. Non-angry and usually honest critics of anything don't indulge in ad hoc web-sites, ad hominem attacks, etc., on proponents of what they are critical of. You're trying to pull the same propaganda stunt that Judy runs here. These people didn't come down on Judy because she was a TMer, ferchris- sakes; they came down on her because she's JUDY. Ah, no, in fact they came down on me--and Lawson-- first and foremost because we were defending what they considered a pseudoscience and a scam. They go after *anybody* who tries to argue for anything that is not, in their view, scientific. That's pretty much the purpose of the group, as its name implies. Secondarily, they came down on me and Lawson because we were able to demonstrate that they were largely uninformed about TM. I followed sci.skeptic for a while. They did NOT rag on TMers because they were TMers. They ragged on abusive, arrogant posters because they were abusive and arrogant. That's where Judy fit in. Not true. If you had really been following the discussions, you'd know we were polite at first. They were not, from the start. Any aggressiveness on our part came only after they'd been insulting and abusing *us*. (As to arrogance, it's hard to think of anything more arrogant than dumping on something one knows virtually nothing about. The sci.skeptic posters were among the most arrogant and abusive I've ever encountered, not just to me by any means, but to anyone who dared espouse a nonmainstream view.) It's all about her personality, and how she wields it. It wouldn't have mattered to those people if she had been a member of a cargo cult from the South Pacific; they'd still have found her tactics repugnant. That would be the tactics of pointing out that they didn't know what they were talking about. Yes, they sure did find that repugnant. (Barry gets tangled up in his rhetoric again above; he didn't mean to cite cargo cults, of course; he meant to say they would have found my tactics repugnant even if I had been arguing with them about something respectably scientific in which I was well versed.) *That* is what you're trying to obscure by claiming that they reacted to her as they did because she was a TMer. Lawson was referring to the Web site owners-- specifically Skolnick, Kellett, and Sherilyn, not the members of sci.skeptic. (This post of Barry's is an example of the non- sequitur slamming of TMers I mentioned earlier, by the way. He knows Lawson wasn't referring to the sci.skeptic folks, but he hoped others would not, so he pretended he didn't in order to irrelevantly slam Lawson and me.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, a success would be if Maharishi put out a call to action to his many students over the years and those students did what was asked of them. Do the math -- let's say that the TMO has (conservatively) taught 1,200,000 people to meditate over the years. But only 1200 or so people -- at the *peak* of the pre-pundit numbers -- answered the call and bothered to show up for this course. If you can't do the math, that's -- synchronistically -- one-tenth of one percent. Nah, you're just being glib, Barry - Knowing you, if that happened, you'd be all upset that the course participants were clones or TBs or something. God knows there'd be *something* wrong with it... The way you and Steve twist whatever comes out of Maharishi's mouth to suit your purposes, there is absolutely NO WAY you would ever declare a course of Maharishi's a success. Your and Steve's constant naysaying of Maharishi's speech and actions speak far louder about the lack of success of your own respective practices, than anything you may be saying about Maharishi. I mean look at this- Do any others here that practice TM spend years on some website that discusses and promotes another practice, Christianity for example, just so they can throw mud at it? It wouldn't seem so weird to me if you guys did TM or had any connection to it. But you don't. You just camp out here, slinging mud at TM, TMO and Maharishi. What's up with that??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Jan 1, 2007, at 1:49 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: For the record, I think it's *sad* that the TMO destroyed itself. I think it could have been a real force on this planet if it had stuck to what it was good at -- teaching people a simple, easily-learned technique of meditation That's really the issue IMO--the early courses were wonderful, great food... Not always...remember Poland Spring and the rotten produce? And some of the courses in Switzerland where we got brussel sprouts four to five nights a week? I *still* can't look a brussel sprout in the eye after my last course. :-) Didn't go to that one. I was thinking pretty much of some of the more local courses in and around the Chicago area. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book. Vaj sees things his way, you see things your way, that's all. snip First the TMO asked its movement to come, then they begged the movement to come, then they dropped the price and begged again, and finally they resorted to threats and started making noises about the horrible things that would happen to the world if they *didn't* come. Nobody else came. Actually, they *started* with the horrible things that would happen to the world if they didn't come. snip Jim, I've been watching the short history of this course fairly closely, and I don't think I've mistated the sequence of events above. Actually, you did; see above. What does it say about *your* spiritual practice that you see that history as a success? Was Jim referring to the history of the movement, or the course itself? I do believe it was the latter. (Another non sequitur slam. Or perhaps Barry's New Year's Eve celebration didn't quite result in the enhanced clarity he'd predicted.) Obviously he has a different definition of success than you do. Jim sees things his way, you see things your way, that's all. If the goal was to get a group together, then they've succeeded very nicely indeed, whatever the means. A movement only moves when it has members *to* move. If you've systematically driven them all away for decades and *then* ask them to move and they don't, I think that the sane thing to do would be to step back and rethink all that you've done to *destroy* your own movement. The TMO, obviously, doesn't think that way; they'd rather hire kids from India so that they can pretend they still have one. If they truly believe the course is necessary to save the world from imminent disaster, it would be folly for them to step back and rethink their previous actions rather than do whatever they could to get a group together as quickly as possible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
Remember the tragedy of knowledge tape? It's the perfect explanation for what has happened to the TM movement, and Maharishi didn't even have to die first. And the blame for the tragedy of knowledge occurring the last time around was put on the current TM initiators. They were responsible for losing the knowledge during the previous revival and so had to come back to teach again. Thirty years after first hearing that, I realize the fault likely was elsewhere. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: For the record, I think it's *sad* that the TMO destroyed itself. I think it could have been a real force on this planet if it had stuck to what it was good at -- teaching people a simple, easily-learned technique of meditation That's really the issue IMO--the early courses were wonderful, great food... Not always...remember Poland Spring and the rotten produce? And some of the courses in Switzerland where we got brussel sprouts four to five nights a week? I *still* can't look a brussel sprout in the eye after my last course. :-) ...laid-back atmosphere, reasonable prices, etc. Then they got weird and outsourced the whole thing to the control- freaks and $$-grubbers. Looking back now it's hard to believe it was the same movement. Remember the tragedy of knowledge tape? It's the perfect explanation for what has happened to the TM movement, and Maharishi didn't even have to die first. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:01 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, a success would be if Maharishi put out a call to action to his many students over the years and those students did what was asked of them. Do the math -- let's say that the TMO has (conservatively) taught 1,200,000 people to meditate over the years. But only 1200 or so people -- at the *peak* of the pre-pundit numbers -- answered the call and bothered to show up for this course. If you can't do the math, that's -- synchronistically -- one-tenth of one percent. Nah, you're just being glib, Barry - Knowing you, if that happened, you'd be all upset that the course participants were clones or TBs or something. God knows there'd be *something* wrong with it... The way you and Steve twist whatever comes out of Maharishi's mouth to suit your purposes, there is absolutely NO WAY you would ever declare a course of Maharishi's a success. Even if all the course participants spontaneously began hovering? Highly unlikely I would call that a failure. It's interesting you know, I was talking to someone from the TMO offlist a couple of weeks back and I mentioned to him, in all the years I'd been here, not one person had asked me what it was I liked-- like my own top ten list of things I liked about TM/TMO. Not once. How come? Are you just naturally assuming there was nothing we liked or why were you afraid to ask? Also, it's probably worth mentioning that this is not a TM exclusive list, so there are others here and they may comment on things posted here. I've always thought the best thing about the TMO was not so much TM or any program, but the interesting and wonderful people it attracted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
Any movement that is Arrogant and declares it's superiority, naturally come under intense scrutiny. This is why, the Christian right comes under intense scrutiny. This is why, Muslims come under intense scrutiny. The TM-org as no one to blame but itself for this negative publicity. The other Spiritual groups are far more humble and don't proclaim their superiority and also keep a much lower profile, therefore they come under less scrutiny. If you look at history, hatred for Jews existed because they declared their superiority.!! jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:01:57 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences Nah, you're just being glib, Barry - Knowing you, if that happened, you'd be all upset that the course participants were clones or TBs or something. God knows there'd be *something* wrong with it... The way you and Steve twist whatever comes out of Maharishi's mouth to suit your purposes, there is absolutely NO WAY you would ever declare a course of Maharishi's a success. Your and Steve's constant naysaying of Maharishi's speech and actions speak far louder about the lack of success of your own respective practices, than anything you may be saying about Maharishi. I mean look at this- Do any others here that practice TM spend years on some website that discusses and promotes another practice, Christianity for example, just so they can throw mud at it? It wouldn't seem so weird to me if you guys did TM or had any connection to it. But you don't. You just camp out here, slinging mud at TM, TMO and Maharishi. What's up with that?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wouldn't seem so weird to me if you guys did TM or had any connection to it. But you don't. You just camp out here, slinging mud at TM, TMO and Maharishi. What's up with that?? If they weren't so busy *generating* mud, there would be none to sling. The fact that there is interests me, because the winding down of cults and spiritual groups interests me. I find it far more interesting than the winding up. Every group is born more or less the same way, but the ones that die always seem to find their own unique way to do it. But yours is a good point, and I've been considering lately whether this group represents a waste of my time. There was a time, when I first joined it, that people talked about interesting spiritual experiences of their own, non-demoninational spiritual experiences, not copyrighted TM-brand spiritual experiences or Other People's Experiences. But that time seems to have come and gone. Perhaps it's my time to go as well. We'll see...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember the tragedy of knowledge tape? It's the perfect explanation for what has happened to the TM movement, and Maharishi didn't even have to die first. And the blame for the tragedy of knowledge occurring the last time around was put on the current TM initiators. They were responsible for losing the knowledge during the previous revival and so had to come back to teach again. Thirty years after first hearing that, I realize the fault likely was elsewhere. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. -- George Santayana One of the reasons I like Chogyam Trungpa is his theory that one learns more from one's mistakes than one does from one's successes. I can only hope that I've learned enough from my two experiments with spiritual teachers who are willing to take everything except responsibility for their own actions to not fall for that particular dodge again. I'll find new ways to fuck up. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: House work cuts breast cancer risk
Saddam murdered men and children by throwing them into meat grinders. The U.N. oil-for-food program, however, was undermined by corruption, allowing Saddam and his cronies to siphon off billions of dollars through oil smuggling and kickbacks from those selling goods to Iraq and buying oil from the country. Meanwhile, his people slid into deep poverty. UNICEF said the first eight years of sanctions may have been responsible for 500,000 deaths of children under 5. While 70% percent of iraqis were starving, Saddam was busy building opulent palaces for himself. http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2006/12/saddam_husseins.php http://ipcommunications.tmcnet.com/news/2006/12/30/244729.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-12-05-saddam-trial_x.htm You must be having your brain in your balls, off_world. Check your nut sack and see if your brain has migrated there. You are not only off_world, you are off colour as well off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:01:49 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: House work cuts breast cancer risk All the gutter-talk in the world spoken by you would not make you any lower than you already are. You are a supporter of child murder are you not? OffWorld __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A movement only moves when it has members *to* move. If you've systematically driven them all away for decades and *then* ask them to move and they don't, I think that the sane thing to do would be to step back and rethink all that you've done to *destroy* your own movement. The TMO, obviously, doesn't think that way; they'd rather hire kids from India so that they can pretend they still have one. If they truly believe the course is necessary to save the world from imminent disaster, it would be folly for them to step back and rethink their previous actions rather than do whatever they could to get a group together as quickly as possible. There is a point that you always ignore. *If* that is what they truly believe, why did they not get a group together years ago? They had the money. They *have* the money. But they refuse to put their *own* money where their mouth is. The *only* reason this course is achieving the numbers is that they suckered someone *else* into paying for it. If Maharishi and the TMO really believed in the ME, they could have paid for a test group DECADES ago. They did not. They still *have* not. They only believe in the efficacy of group practice if someone ELSE pays for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting you know, I was talking to someone from the TMO offlist a couple of weeks back and I mentioned to him, in all the years I'd been here, not one person had asked me what it was I liked--like my own top ten list of things I liked about TM/TMO. Not once. How come? Are you just naturally assuming there was nothing we liked or why were you afraid to ask? Afraid to ask. It's easier to characterize us as completely negative. That's part and parcel of the TM apologists' agenda. Also, it's probably worth mentioning that this is not a TM exclusive list, so there are others here and they may comment on things posted here. I've always thought the best thing about the TMO was not so much TM or any program, but the interesting and wonderful people it attracted. Bingo. Also the best part about this list, when it's on. The people here are *far* more inter- esting than the TM soap opera they tend to get hung up on. For me, I guess it was a combination of the people who I got to work with in the TM movement and the sense of *enthusiasm* and *happiness* that we all brought to our teaching activities for a short time. That was magic. I still feel grateful to Maharishi for giving me the chance to teach during that era, when it was still possible to believe in what we were teaching. I liked some of the experiences I had pre-siddhis. A few of them were downright smokin' *at the time*, although in retrospect they were pretty ordinary. I even liked the siddhis for a couple of days, but then I got bored with them, and moved on. Some of the women were pretty smokin', too, before they got into that wearing saris and trying to act like they didn't have pussies thang. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any movement that is Arrogant and declares it's superiority, naturally come under intense scrutiny. This is why, the Christian right comes under intense scrutiny. This is why, Muslims come under intense scrutiny. The TM-org as no one to blame but itself for this negative publicity. It's not often that I feel like agreeing with Jason, but this is one of those times. Right on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A movement only moves when it has members *to* move. If you've systematically driven them all away for decades and *then* ask them to move and they don't, I think that the sane thing to do would be to step back and rethink all that you've done to *destroy* your own movement. The TMO, obviously, doesn't think that way; they'd rather hire kids from India so that they can pretend they still have one. If they truly believe the course is necessary to save the world from imminent disaster, it would be folly for them to step back and rethink their previous actions rather than do whatever they could to get a group together as quickly as possible. There is a point that you always ignore. *If* that is what they truly believe, why did they not get a group together years ago? I don't know, but it's kind of a silly question because there are so many possible answers. I'm just pointing out that yours isn't the only conceivable answer, as you appear to believe it is. They had the money. They *have* the money. But they refuse to put their *own* money where their mouth is. The *only* reason this course is achieving the numbers is that they suckered someone *else* into paying for it. If Maharishi and the TMO really believed in the ME, they could have paid for a test group DECADES ago. They did not. They still *have* not. They only believe in the efficacy of group practice if someone ELSE pays for it. MMY has always wanted somebody else--governments, other institutions--to pay for it so they would have an investment in its success. If it's purely a TMO production, it's much less likely to be taken seriously, even if the results are positive. That they're having TM donors pay for it this time suggests to me that they think it's more of an emergency situation than ever before.
[FairfieldLife] Veda Park in Deutschland
Veda Park in Germany to be ready in one month by Global Good News staff writer 28 December 2006 'Today I gave the order to build 1,000 rooms for the 1,000 Vedic Pandits to arrive immediately, instantly, in one month,' said Raja Emmanuel Schiffgens this week. Raja Emmanuel Schiffgens is the leader of Maharishi's Global Country of World Peace for Germany. Veda Park, the proposed new Vastu Campus to be built according to the ancient tradition of Vedic Architecture in harmony with Natural law (www.globalreconstruction.org), will accommodate the 1,000 Vedic Pandits who are to arrive in Hanover. The park will consist of 36 marble Peace Palaces, in three rows, running north-south, and all facing east. There will be large halls for the practice of Transcendental Meditation and Yogic Flying, as well as dining halls and lecture facilities. Global Good News feels that the climate which supports such a magnificent project is a clear indicator of rising coherence in German national consciousness. This project promises to bring the light of Raam Raj -- the Constitution of the Universe, Heaven on Earth -- to the nation in one stroke, explained Raja Emmanuel Schiffgens. (Visit page http://excellenceinaction.globalgoodnews.com/06-aug/india3.html for further information on the peace-creating power of groups of Vedic Pandits.)
[FairfieldLife] MMY on `the common source of devatas`
MMY on `the common source of devatas` Global Press Conference, 20.12.06 MAHARISHI:...all the devatas (are) functioning together, all of them have one common source from where they take their breath. On that level we want to strike our mind. From that level we want to think and that will be the thought promoted by the will of God. And what is the will of God? The will of God is `man created in his own image`... So very fortunate we are to dwell on that level and very fortunate we are to gain mastery over that level. And mastery is spontaneous, mastery belongs to that level. Mastery is not earned by activity. Activity silently promotes that thing. It is a beautiful thing... ...Those who feel they are on that threshold of activity without involving senses, without involving mind, without involving intellect. Because in the beginning the whole thing is so mixed up. It is a mixed up thing. All the devata activity is all mixed up. Somewhere some drop of the activity of a devata mixed up with a drop of the activity of the other devata. But we have to cross beyond all activity to a level from where devatas become devatas. It is a beautiful field of achievement of human life or we can say development of human life. And all is open to us with the grace of Guru Dev. It is all the silent grace of Guru Dev. We have the technology, we have the program, we have gone quite a lot in the field of experience. We have crossed quite a lot of deep darkness - Dirghatamas. And just a few days or a few weeks or a few months or a few years, it doesn`t matter what it takes. But we are going to strike the supreme target of human possibility. The supreme target of human possibility, this awaits us at the end of Dirghatamas. And our Transcendental Consciousness will be labled as Madhucchandas. Let`s head towards that. Everything is very clear. But experience first, understanding later. Otherwise the understanding will not be complete and it could misguide the proper experience. So we don`t want to remain in the field of memory only, we want to strike on the level of Shruti, at the source. Shruti means all the devatas. And where is the source of that: transcendental field where all the devatas reside. That terretory we want to win over...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book. Vaj sees things his way, you see things your way, that's all. Me, I see the underwriting as a nostalgic attempt by a few wealthy long-term members of the TM movement to allow Maharishi to die with his illusions that he still *has* a movement intact. But the TMO is constantly getting infusions of millions of dollars. Your logic is flawed. This is the first time that MMY has directed such infusions to sponsor participation in such a large course of this type IN THIS COUNTRY, but donors have sponsored large courses in other countries, and of course donors have been purchasing land and building buildings for the TMO for decades. I gotta think that you know this, given how long you have hung around the TMO taking snipes at it, so the question arises: why do you pretend that your speculation is meant seriously? The bottom line is that Maharishi *can't* get 2000 people together for one of his courses unless he hires people from India to staff it. Color it how you will...in my book that speaks for itself. Yep. Of course, how many people drop what they are doing to head to ANYTHING on a moment's notice?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A movement only moves when it has members *to* move. If you've systematically driven them all away for decades and *then* ask them to move and they don't, I think that the sane thing to do would be to step back and rethink all that you've done to *destroy* your own movement. The TMO, obviously, doesn't think that way; they'd rather hire kids from India so that they can pretend they still have one. If they truly believe the course is necessary to save the world from imminent disaster, it would be folly for them to step back and rethink their previous actions rather than do whatever they could to get a group together as quickly as possible. There is a point that you always ignore. *If* that is what they truly believe, why did they not get a group together years ago? They had the money. They *have* the money. But they refuse to put their *own* money where their mouth is. The *only* reason this course is achieving the numbers is that they suckered someone *else* into paying for it. If Maharishi and the TMO really believed in the ME, they could have paid for a test group DECADES ago. They did not. They still *have* not. They only believe in the efficacy of group practice if someone ELSE pays for it. What money has MMY ever generated of his own? ALL TM money is donated money. The revenue from instruction from TM or even the TM-SIdhis is hardly a drop in the bucket compared to the donated funds and I canmake a case that the instruction revenue hardly pays for itself any more.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ...and I have never been nominated for Usenet Kook of the Year. :-) By Sherilyn, one of her more desperate moves. I wouldn't worry about it that much. You only got about 40 votes, mainly from your fans on alt.meditation.transcendental and sci.skeptic. Um, I never worried about it at all. But apparently it was a big enough deal for you that you actually had to go count the votes. Nope. Someone on sci.skeptic kept track. They were quite amused by you. I presume they were all angry and usually dishonest critics of TM, too? :-) In general, yeah. Non-angry and usually honest critics of anything don't indulge in ad hoc web-sites, ad hominem attacks, etc., on proponents of what they are critical of. You're trying to pull the same propaganda stunt that Judy runs here. These people didn't come down on Judy because she was a TMer, ferchris- sakes; they came down on her because she's JUDY. Ah, no, in fact they came down on me--and Lawson-- first and foremost because we were defending what they considered a pseudoscience and a scam. They go after *anybody* who tries to argue for anything that is not, in their view, scientific. That's pretty much the purpose of the group, as its name implies. Secondarily, they came down on me and Lawson because we were able to demonstrate that they were largely uninformed about TM. I followed sci.skeptic for a while. They did NOT rag on TMers because they were TMers. They ragged on abusive, arrogant posters because they were abusive and arrogant. That's where Judy fit in. Not true. If you had really been following the discussions, you'd know we were polite at first. They were not, from the start. Any aggressiveness on our part came only after they'd been insulting and abusing *us*. (As to arrogance, it's hard to think of anything more arrogant than dumping on something one knows virtually nothing about. The sci.skeptic posters were among the most arrogant and abusive I've ever encountered, not just to me by any means, but to anyone who dared espouse a nonmainstream view.) It's all about her personality, and how she wields it. It wouldn't have mattered to those people if she had been a member of a cargo cult from the South Pacific; they'd still have found her tactics repugnant. That would be the tactics of pointing out that they didn't know what they were talking about. Yes, they sure did find that repugnant. (Barry gets tangled up in his rhetoric again above; he didn't mean to cite cargo cults, of course; he meant to say they would have found my tactics repugnant even if I had been arguing with them about something respectably scientific in which I was well versed.) *That* is what you're trying to obscure by claiming that they reacted to her as they did because she was a TMer. Lawson was referring to the Web site owners-- specifically Skolnick, Kellett, and Sherilyn, not the members of sci.skeptic. (This post of Barry's is an example of the non- sequitur slamming of TMers I mentioned earlier, by the way. He knows Lawson wasn't referring to the sci.skeptic folks, but he hoped others would not, so he pretended he didn't in order to irrelevantly slam Lawson and me.) Eh, I had in mind specific examples INCLUDING some of the TM-slammers, but not limited to them. There are plenty of denizens of sci.skeptic who maintain websites attacking all sorts of things, often in ignorance of what they are attacking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. Of course, how many people drop what they are doing to head to ANYTHING on a moment's notice? Many, if not most, of the people on this list. They did it for decades. Some still do.
[FairfieldLife] 16K pundits in India Brahmastan
Yesterday, on the third day of the celebration of the birthday anniversary of Maharishi's beloved Master, Shri Guru Dev, Maharishi requested that 16,000 Vedic Pandits be assembled in one place on earth, in the Brahmasthan or centre, of India by Guru Purnima Day at the end of July 2007. From there, permanent Global Raam Raj will be established. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=116760421813817270
[FairfieldLife] Re: Veda Park in Deutschland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Visit page http://excellenceinaction.globalgoodnews.com/06-aug/india3.html for further information on the peace-creating power of groups of Vedic Pandits.) Wow. I spent the day editing product announcements. Pundits as product. What a concept.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
On Jan 1, 2007, at 4:24 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting you know, I was talking to someone from the TMO offlist a couple of weeks back and I mentioned to him, in all the years I'd been here, not one person had asked me what it was I liked--like my own top ten list of things I liked about TM/TMO. Not once. How come? Are you just naturally assuming there was nothing we liked or why were you afraid to ask? Afraid to ask. It's easier to characterize us as completely negative. That's part and parcel of the TM apologists' agenda. I even shared my favorite TMO technique (without revealing it's secrets) and the reasons why it was something I enjoyed at the time and how I felt it could be evolutionary. Hardly a response. In fact, whenever I share anything glaringly *nice* about TM/TMSP I get little or no response. I always found that lack of response rather interesting, if not telling. Also, it's probably worth mentioning that this is not a TM exclusive list, so there are others here and they may comment on things posted here. I've always thought the best thing about the TMO was not so much TM or any program, but the interesting and wonderful people it attracted. Bingo. Also the best part about this list, when it's on. The people here are *far* more inter- esting than the TM soap opera they tend to get hung up on. Yes indeedee.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it in an entirely negative light...What does that say about your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book. Vaj sees things his way, you see things your way, that's all. Me, I see the underwriting as a nostalgic attempt by a few wealthy long-term members of the TM movement to allow Maharishi to die with his illusions that he still *has* a movement intact. But the TMO is constantly getting infusions of millions of dollars. Your logic is flawed. This is the first time that MMY has directed such infusions to sponsor participation in such a large course of this type IN THIS COUNTRY, but donors have sponsored large courses in other countries, and of course donors have been purchasing land and building buildings for the TMO for decades. I gotta think that you know this, given how long you have hung around the TMO taking snipes at it, so the question arises: why do you pretend that your speculation is meant seriously? MMY isn't directing the infusion to MUM, Howard Settle is, with his original pledge of $1 million per month to fund 2,000 sidhas at $500 per month sponsorship. When far less than that number of sidhas showed up, then MMY took advantage of the extra funds to send pundits over and renovate the campus and build up vedic city. As you say, MMY is constantly receiving large donations, primarily through the million dollar courses, but has never in the past directed the money to the US when he has the choice how to use the funds. If you study tmo finances through the public filings and just generally use your eyes, you see that MMY prefers donations to end up in private offshore accts where it can be moved about in private, rather than spend on courses in the US. Once the pundit housing has been built and/or renovated, it shouldn't be that expensive to keep them here, so they might stay after the Settle money runs out, but sponsorship of sidhas is already being phased out and will definitely go when Settle funds dries up.
[FairfieldLife] What is the relationship between God and Devatas?
MAHARISHI: Just as in any government there is a head of state, there is a prime minister, there are assemblies - hierarchy. Wherever there is organization, wherever there is action, there is hierarchical organization. Like that we can understand in terms of different devatas. All the different devatas - it will be easier to partition the range of devatas in two values: silence and dynamism. Silence is upheld by Shiva and dynamism is upheld by Vishnu. And between the two Ganapati holds the rains of any coordination wherever, so that there is no lack of coordination. It is very beautiful. There is nothing for us. God in terms of anything. We can talk about God, we can define about God in terms of anything. The same way in terms of anything we can talk about devatas, of Shiva and Vishnu. There are Ganas of Shiva. Gana means like the sparks of intelligence. There is one ocean of intelligence and then the sprouting, single waves of intelligence. Waves of intelligence, they distinguish themself from one another. So there is a field of many in this way. We can talk in terms of many, many devatas...
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the relationship between God and Devatas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAHARISHI: Just as in any government there is a head of state, there is a prime minister, there are assemblies - hierarchy. Wherever there is organization, wherever there is action, there is hierarchical organization... Just to try to discuss a spiritual topic for a change :-), government (or organization of any kind) does *not* imply hierarchy. Just as relational databases are generally more efficient and flexible than hierarchical databases, organizations that are run relationally tend to be more efficient and flexible than organi- zations that are run hierarchically. I thus find it difficult to believe that the universe has arranged itself hierarchically. I fully understand that Maharishi grew up in a culture that sees the universe arranged that way, but I really do not. Maybe it's an Occam's Razor nerd thing -- it's pretty well established that in the world of computing relational kicks hierarchical's ass. Why should I believe that the universe is not as smart as a buncha nerds? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Yep. Of course, how many people drop what they are doing to head to ANYTHING on a moment's notice? Many, if not most, of the people on this list. They did it for decades. Some still do. You've taken a poll, right? Jeez, Barry, *try* to start curbing your fantasies for the new year, OK?
[FairfieldLife] Peace in the Middle-East -- was/House work cuts breast cancer risk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saddam murdered men and children by throwing them into meat grinders. Meat grinders? Reference and proof please. I suppose you think you American smart bombs and MOABS are a more compasionate way to kill a hundre thousand children. Saddam Hussein's regime killed hundreds of thousands in Iran war, using arms and chemical weapons and other weapons and support supplied by Reagan, Cheney, Bush Snr, and Rumsfeld The U.N. oil-for-food program, however, was undermined by corruption, Yes Dick Cheney and his company made a fortune out of it. Meanwhile, his people slid into deep poverty. Oh...and now their life is better ? Get real. They are in hell. At least before US illegal invasion, they could eat, and if you were not such a brain-dead jerk you would have remembered documentaries from inside Iraq, before the war, where a healthy market place for good s and people running businesses DESPITE the UN sanctions and Saddam's dictatorship. Women could get a full education. Now they are slaves again under Muslim warlords. Well done Bush. UNICEF said the first eight years of sanctions may have been responsible for 500,000 deaths of children under 5. You must be having your brain in your balls, off_world. No Jason, you have created and supported a middle-east melt-dwon that will eventually will engulf Iran, Syria, Isreal, and then Turkey, and then Europe will have to get involved, and if the US has pulled out, by then , they be forced to get involved again on much larger scale. Only a 10,000 group of yogic flyers can save you from the mess you have created. You are an idiot. You destroy the middle-east and rick world-war for one dictator. Idiots By the way, how come you have not volunteered to sign up for the army and support our troops, or encourage your children, grand- children, neices and nephews to sign op for army. Why are you not actively working for the troops now? They need your help... hypocrit. Check your nut sack and see if your brain has migrated there. Talk like that to someone's face, and you might not have a nut-sack left. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Yep. Of course, how many people drop what they are doing to head to ANYTHING on a moment's notice? Many, if not most, of the people on this list. They did it for decades. Some still do. You've taken a poll, right? No, I was a TM teacher, during the era where pretty much the definition for being one was being able to drop what you are doing and go where you were asked to go. Many, if not most, of the people on this list were, too. Jeez, Barry, *try* to start curbing your fantasies for the new year, OK? If you'd ever had the experience of living like this, perhaps you wouldn't consider it a fantasy. But you haven't, have you? Sad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the relationship between God and Devatas?
larry.potter wrote: MAHARISHI: Just as in any government there is a head of state, there is a prime minister, there are assemblies - hierarchy. Wherever there is organization, wherever there is action, there is hierarchical organization. Like that we can understand in terms of different devatas. All the different devatas - it will be easier to partition the range of devatas in two values: silence and dynamism. Silence is upheld by Shiva and dynamism is upheld by Vishnu. And between the two Ganapati holds the rains of any coordination wherever, so that there is no lack of coordination. It is very beautiful. There is nothing for us. God in terms of anything. We can talk about God, we can define about God in terms of anything. The same way in terms of anything we can talk about devatas, of Shiva and Vishnu. There are Ganas of Shiva. Gana means like the sparks of intelligence. There is one ocean of intelligence and then the sprouting, single waves of intelligence. Waves of intelligence, they distinguish themself from one another. So there is a field of many in this way. We can talk in terms of many, many devatas... They should also ask what is the relationship between God and the devis?
[FairfieldLife] Angels of Purity
Iasos first came to MIU and performed in the gym auditorium in '74 and then again in 1979. His music is definitely the stuff of celestial sounding realms (to whatever degree I can relate to that), but it seems everyone who listens to it feels its intrinsic beauty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZozRst7ZCk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angels of Purity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iasos first came to MIU and performed in the gym auditorium in '74 and then again in 1979. His music is definitely the stuff of celestial sounding realms (to whatever degree I can relate to that), but it seems everyone who listens to it feels its intrinsic beauty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZozRst7ZCk I remember Iasos from L.A. He was neat. He had this one instrument that was created by putting strings on the I-beam of a truck and bowing them. Truly amazing sound.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the relationship between God and Devatas?
I'm not sure that we can conclude from the database realm to the spiritual. that being said it is true that relational d.b. is being used far more than hierarchical. The main reason is that it was difficult to model a many-to-many relationship, However, we now that in a web world that demands quick access to data, XML is being used to facilitate this,and XML has, of course, a hierarchical structure and for good reasons: speed, better handling of data elements, easier administration, and handling of unexpected elements. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: MAHARISHI: Just as in any government there is a head of state, there is a prime minister, there are assemblies - hierarchy. Wherever there is organization, wherever there is action, there is hierarchical organization... Just to try to discuss a spiritual topic for a change :-), government (or organization of any kind) does *not* imply hierarchy. Just as relational databases are generally more efficient and flexible than hierarchical databases, organizations that are run relationally tend to be more efficient and flexible than organi- zations that are run hierarchically. I thus find it difficult to believe that the universe has arranged itself hierarchically. I fully understand that Maharishi grew up in a culture that sees the universe arranged that way, but I really do not. Maybe it's an Occam's Razor nerd thing -- it's pretty well established that in the world of computing relational kicks hierarchical's ass. Why should I believe that the universe is not as smart as a buncha nerds? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Yep. Of course, how many people drop what they are doing to head to ANYTHING on a moment's notice? Many, if not most, of the people on this list. They did it for decades. Some still do. You've taken a poll, right? No, I was a TM teacher, during the era where pretty much the definition for being one was being able to drop what you are doing and go where you were asked to go. Many, if not most, of the people on this list were, too. You've taken a poll, right? Jeez, Barry, *try* to start curbing your fantasies for the new year, OK? If you'd ever had the experience of living like this, perhaps you wouldn't consider it a fantasy. But you haven't, have you? Sad. Not my point, of course. But you knew that; you thought you'd just try to sneak in yet another non sequitur slam. The vast majority of people on this list *never post*. You don't have a clue whether they were teachers or not. And if you're referring just to those who do post and have said they were teachers, that's, what, maybe 20 people. If what you were trying to say was that in the past many TM teachers would drop everything to attend a hastily called course, nobody's disputing that. But I do wonder how many such courses there were in your day. Your posts today have been really garbled and off-target. You sound as though you're so mad at the world you can't think straight. Not a great way to start the new year.
[FairfieldLife] *Real* Global Good News
A New Year's gift those who say that I never contribute anything positive or optimistic... :-) The question is pretty simple: What are you optimistic about, and why? The answers are on this website, http://edge.org/q2007/q07_index.html provided by the following people. Enjoy. Jerry Adler Alun Anderson Chris Anderson Chris Anderson Mahzarin Banaji Samuel Barondes Simon Baron-Cohen Gregory Benford David Berreby Jamshed Bharucha Roger Bingham Colin Blakemore Adam Bly Susan Blackmore Vittorio Bo David Bodanis Stewart Brand Rodney Brooks Andrew Brown Jason Calacanis William Calvin Philip Campbell Geoffrey Carr Leo Chalupa George Church Andy Clark Gregory Cochran M. Csikszentmihalyi Garniss Curtis David Dalrymple Paul Davies Richard Dawkins Daniel C. Dennett David Deutsch Keith Devlin Jared Diamond Chris DiBona Cory Doctorow Esther Dyson Freeman Dyson George Dyson Brian Eno Juan Enriquez Daniel Everett Helen Fisher Howard Gardner Joel Garreau James Geary David Gelernter Neil Gershenfeld Marcelo Gleiser Rebecca Goldstein Daniel Goleman Beatrice Golomb Alison Gopnik Brian Goodwin John Gottman Steve Grand Brian Greene Jonathan Haidt Diane Halpern Haim Harari Judith Rich Harris Sam Harris Marc D. Hauser Marti Hearst Roger Highfield W. Daniel Hiliis Donald Hoffman Piet Hut Gerald Holton John Horgan Nicholas Humphrey Marco Iacoboni Walter Isaacson Joichi Ito Xeni Jardin Kevin Kelly Marcel Kinsbourne Bart Kosko Stephen Kosslyn Lawrence Krauss Andrian Kreye Ray Kurzweil Jaron Lanier Leon Lederman Seth Lloyd Elizabeth Loftus Gary Marcus Pamela McCorduck Thomas Metzinger Geoffrey Miller John McCarthy Marvin Minsky David G. Myers Jill Neimark Randolph M. Nesse Tor Nørretranders James O'Donnell Gloria Origgi Mark Pagel Alex Pentland Irene Pepperberg David Pescovitz Jean Pigozzi Steven Pinker Ernst Poppel Jordan Pollack Corey Powell Robert Provine Eduardo Punset Lisa Randall Martin Rees Howard Rheingold Matt Ridley Carlo Rovelli Rudy Rucker Douglas Rushkoff Karl Sabbagh Paul Saffo Scott Sampson Robert Sapolsky Larry Sanger Roger Schank Steven Schneider Peter Schwartz Gino Segre Charles Seife Terrence Sejnowski Martin Seligman Robert Shapiro Michael Shermer Clay Shirky Barry Smith Lee Smolin George Smoot Dan Sperber Maria Spiropulu Paul Steinhardt Linda Stone Steven Strogatz Leonard Susskind Nassim Taleb Timothy Taylor Max Tegmark Sherry Turkle J. Craig Venter Alexander Vilenkin Frank Wilczek Ian Wilmut Michael Wolff Anton Zeilinger Philip Zimbardo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Yep. Of course, how many people drop what they are doing to head to ANYTHING on a moment's notice? Many, if not most, of the people on this list. They did it for decades. Some still do. You've taken a poll, right? No, I was a TM teacher, during the era where pretty much the definition for being one was being able to drop what you are doing and go where you were asked to go. Many, if not most, of the people on this list were, too. You've taken a poll, right? Jeez, Barry, *try* to start curbing your fantasies for the new year, OK? If you'd ever had the experience of living like this, perhaps you wouldn't consider it a fantasy. But you haven't, have you? Sad. Not my point, of course. But you knew that; you thought you'd just try to sneak in yet another non sequitur slam. The vast majority of people on this list *never post*. You don't have a clue whether they were teachers or not. And if you're referring just to those who do post and have said they were teachers, that's, what, maybe 20 people. If what you were trying to say was that in the past many TM teachers would drop everything to attend a hastily called course, nobody's disputing that. But I do wonder how many such courses there were in your day. Your posts today have been really garbled and off-target. You sound as though you're so mad at the world you can't think straight. Not a great way to start the new year. Sounds to me like someone is not happy about being reminded that as far as the TM movement goes, she was never a player. And that she's on a forum full of people who were.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the relationship between God and Devatas?
It's always a matter of how the data you NEED happens to be organized. For data that needs random access, a method of access designed to optimize random access would be best. For data that needs to be accessed in a certain order, a method of access designed to optimize that particular order is best. If you don't know how the data will be accessed, then the random-access design is best. When y ou have information about the data to guide you, some other design might be far, FAR better, especially when dealing with yottabytes of data. Example: I want to chose everyone in my city who has a zip code that ends with 17. Using a structure that keeps track of zip coes in order with the ability to index off of the 4th digit of the zip coe will certainly be faster than using a random access technique. To suggest that an enlightened programmer wouldn't provide a zip code index to a database of mailing addresses because that isn't the enlightened way of looking at the problem is silly. Database design depends on the USE to which the database is put. Going to great lengths to create the best relational database design for a bunch of addresses in a mailing list is hardly an enlightened use of your time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: I'm not sure that we can conclude from the database realm to the spiritual. that being said it is true that relational d.b. is being used far more than hierarchical. The main reason is that it was difficult to model a many-to-many relationship, There are other reasons, speed of access being one of them, but the many-to-many thing is interesting in itself. To me it seems as if the hierarchical model is something that a seeker (and especially a deist seeker) would think up. They're always trying to climb the tree to reach something higher than themselves. But would a realized individual, who even on the level of perception relates to the many *as* him- or herself, be tempted to think hierarchically? When your entire world view is Unity, are the devatas (assuming they exist) any higher than you? They *are* you. :-) However, we now that in a web world that demands quick access to data, XML is being used to facilitate this, and XML has, of course, a hierarchical structure and for good reasons: speed, better handling of data elements, easier administration, and handling of unexpected elements. I honestly suspect that XML's success so far is based on the relatively small datasets it's called upon *to* access. When dealing with small amounts of data, hierarchical structures appear fast on today's computers. But if you were trying to access and process yottabytes** of data, do you think you'd still be using XML or forcing that data to traverse a tree structure? ** Love that term, 'yottabytes' kilobyte (kB) 2^10 megabyte (MB) 2^20 gigabyte (GB) 2^30 terabyte (TB) 2^40 petabyte (PB) 2^50 exabyte (EB) 2^60 zettabyte (ZB)2^70 yottabyte (YB)2^80
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Spirituality, Welcome to Spiritual Awakening
Hi Rick, As a follow-up to my previous post, a few days ago i put all the relevant stuff i wrote in 2001 about sathya sai baba up onto my website (www.enlightened-spirituality.org), linked at the nondual spirituality section, toward the bottom of the page. Your friends' mention of the ssb connection is what finally got me to do this part of the work on the website, so thank you to you and your friends. All the best to you, dear Rick! Happy New Year and Happy NOW... Timothy - Original Message - From: Rick Archer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Timothy Conway' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Spirituality, Welcome to Spiritual Awakening Thanks, Tim. I just found this in my FFL folder. Things tend to get buried in there. I'll post it to the group. Have a great New Year. I hope your wife's fibromyalgia is not troubling her too much. Rick. Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: (641) 472-9336 Fax: (914) 470-9336 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] HRsize=2 width=100% align=center tabindex=-1 From: Timothy Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:49 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Spirituality, Welcome to Spiritual Awakening Greetings, dear Rick Thank you for passing along news of the new comprehensive website to your list. It's interesting that the only feedback thus far received was about my connections with MMY and Sathya Sai. You can pass along to your readership the following: For the record, I've never had any connection with the TM movement, never even signed up for the basic med. course. I did read a couple of books about Gurudev and the various expose' articles that former- and current TMers have put up on the web. And of course i've had a number of friends who've come through various levels of the TM movement and told me about their wonderful and not-so-wonderful times with TM. As for Sathya Sai Baba (SSB), i did participate for many years in some local SSB centers (first L.A. in 1979, then S.Francisco in 1980-7 [it was during that period that i served as a local officer of the SSB movement] and Santa Barbara from 1988-2000) because i loved the emphasis on bhajan-singing and charitable service projects to the wider community. (SSB was NOT and never was my primary spiritual connection--that honor belongs to the God-Self pure and simple, along with a very early connection to Sri Ramana Maharshi from 1972 onward and also, from 1986 on to Amma Amritanandamayi.) For many years i felt that the SSB movement was, comparatively speaking, one of the cleaner groups around--all meetings were free, no pressure to raise funds, no pressure to gain recruits, no structured levels of initiation, no emphasis on pushing untried or dubious techniques, a lovely blend of nondual wisdom and nondual devotion teachings, tolerance of religious participation in other groups by members, and a wonderful group of people with whom to associate. The shadow side of SSB and the higher (more hierarchical) levels of the organization were never exposed for view until around 1999-2000. There had been one early clue about SSB's homosexual orientation in an old book by Tal Brooke, but Tal was such an obviously biased messenger by the time he wrote his book (fundamentalist evangelical Christian, adamantly anti-Hindu), and so megalomaniacal in his own descriptions of his time with SSB (and in the third-person accounts by a few friends who knew Tal back then), that Tal's message about SSB's shadow side, while noteworthy as an interesting footnote for all those years in the latter 1980s and 1990s, could not be reliably trusted. It was only when material emerged on Prof. David Christopher Lane's website in the late 1990s and then Britisher David Bailey stood up with his 2000 revelations in The Findings (posted online), that many of us began to realize that something was seriously wrong, and we immediately responded by standing up for truth and justice and, not getting any mature response from the leadership of the SSB org, most of us who took this stand promptly departed the SSB movement altogether. Anyway, at my www.enlightened-spirituality.org website, there is a long page in the Healthy / Unhealthy Spirituality section that lists warning signs on dysfunctional cults that your readers may be interested to peruse, along with dozens of other essays. And yes, when i get the time, i've been meaning to put up some of the open letters i wrote about SSB in early 2001. Just today i posted the link (at the Nondual Spirituality section of the site) to a couple of open letters i wrote about my old friend Ramesh Balsekar that have been up at the www.inner-quest.org French website on advaita for a couple of years. I'll try to put up the stuff on SSB sometime in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the relationship between God and Devatas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that we can conclude from the database realm to the spiritual. that being said it is true that relational d.b. is being used far more than hierarchical. The main reason is that it was difficult to model a many-to-many relationship, There are other reasons, speed of access being one of them, but the many-to-many thing is interesting in itself. To me it seems as if the hierarchical model is something that a seeker (and especially a deist seeker) would think up. They're always trying to climb the tree to reach something higher than themselves. But would a realized individual, who even on the level of perception relates to the many *as* him- or herself, be tempted to think hierarchically? When your entire world view is Unity, are the devatas (assuming they exist) any higher than you? They *are* you. :-) However, we now that in a web world that demands quick access to data, XML is being used to facilitate this, and XML has, of course, a hierarchical structure and for good reasons: speed, better handling of data elements, easier administration, and handling of unexpected elements. I honestly suspect that XML's success so far is based on the relatively small datasets it's called upon *to* access. When dealing with small amounts of data, hierarchical structures appear fast on today's computers. But if you were trying to access and process yottabytes** of data, do you think you'd still be using XML or forcing that data to traverse a tree structure? ** Love that term, 'yottabytes' kilobyte (kB) 2^10 megabyte (MB) 2^20 gigabyte (GB) 2^30 terabyte (TB) 2^40 petabyte (PB) 2^50 exabyte (EB)2^60 zettabyte (ZB) 2^70 yottabyte (YB) 2^80
[FairfieldLife] testo
???This seemed to work...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Invincible America Assembly Finer Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Yep. Of course, how many people drop what they are doing to head to ANYTHING on a moment's notice? Many, if not most, of the people on this list. They did it for decades. Some still do. You've taken a poll, right? No, I was a TM teacher, during the era where pretty much the definition for being one was being able to drop what you are doing and go where you were asked to go. Many, if not most, of the people on this list were, too. You've taken a poll, right? Jeez, Barry, *try* to start curbing your fantasies for the new year, OK? If you'd ever had the experience of living like this, perhaps you wouldn't consider it a fantasy. But you haven't, have you? Sad. Not my point, of course. But you knew that; you thought you'd just try to sneak in yet another non sequitur slam. The vast majority of people on this list *never post*. You don't have a clue whether they were teachers or not. And if you're referring just to those who do post and have said they were teachers, that's, what, maybe 20 people. If what you were trying to say was that in the past many TM teachers would drop everything to attend a hastily called course, nobody's disputing that. But I do wonder how many such courses there were in your day. Your posts today have been really garbled and off-target. You sound as though you're so mad at the world you can't think straight. Not a great way to start the new year. Sounds to me like someone is not happy about being reminded that as far as the TM movement goes, she was never a player. (Says Barry, trying, as usual, to change the subject so he won't have to address his own goof, but inadvertently demonstrating the accuracy of both my observations about his posts today, as well as my previous observation about his tendency to shoehorn non sequitur slams into his posts.) No, Barry, *you're* the one who gets all riled up about my not having been a TM teacher. I made the right choice and have never regretted it. And that she's on a forum full of people who were. As I said, you'd be well advised to take the new year as an opportunity to work on living in reality rather than in your fantasy world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: testo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ???This seemed to work... Nope. Input japanese, got out ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: testo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ???This seemed to work...
[FairfieldLife] Saddam Hussein
Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark
[FairfieldLife] plant hallucinogen Ayahuasca art
http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/supernatural/ As part of his research for Supernatural, Graham Hancock traveled to the Peruvian Amazon to drink the powerful plant hallucinogen Ayahuasca with indigenous shamans. Such visionary experiences, Hancock argues, were fundamental to the unprecedented and astonishing evolutionary leap forward achieved by our species during the past 40,000 years and provided the inspiration for the earliest art and religious ideas of mankind. It is difficult for those who have not experienced Ayahuasca, or other related shamanic hallucinogens, to visualise the strange parallel realities into which these substances bring us. Fortunately, however, a number of shamans in the Amazon are also gifted artists and have made paintings of their own visions. Through these paintings it is possible for all of us to get some glimpse of the Ayahuasca Otherworld - which, mysteriously, is not a different place for each different individual who drinks Ayahuasca. On the contrary, whether experienced by an Amazonian shaman, or an American lawyer, or a European businessman, or a Japanese fashion designer, the Ayahuasca realm is always recognizably the same place, inhabited by the same intelligent beings with the same mission to teach us important truths about ourselves and the nature of the universe. The Peruvian shaman Pablo Amaringo is the most famous and gifted of Ayahuasca artists working today and has kindly granted us permission to reproduce here a gallery of his paintings. Click on any of the images for a larger view. For further information on Pablo and his work see www.pabloamaringo.com http://www.pabloamaringo.com/ .
[FairfieldLife] MDIXON's Dumbass War ----- was/Peace in the Middle-East
MDIXON'sDumbass War http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said May God damn you, Saddam said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the hood, but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope from cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up. graphic footage from cellphone camera: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said May God damn you, Saddam said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the hood, but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope from cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up. In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr. Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart in the face of death. He knew this was the end, and he was determined to do it well.
[FairfieldLife] sathya sai baba movement woe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, As a follow-up to my previous post, a few days ago i put all the relevant stuff i wrote in 2001 about sathya sai baba up onto my website (www.enlightened-spirituality.org), linked at the nondual spirituality section, toward the bottom of the page. Wow, is an interesting read by comparison. Some familiar things by comparison. Megalomania institutional-ego. It is a lot to consider. Thanks for posting it. -Doug in Iowa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saddam Hussein
I've had a few profoundly stressful situations in my life and, in my experience, you enter a altered state of consciousness in order to cope. I'm sure facing your death would alter your consciousness rather profoundly. -Peter --- suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said May God damn you, Saddam said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the hood, but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope from cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up. In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr. Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart in the face of death. He knew this was the end, and he was determined to do it well. I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a full-blown one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said May God damn you, Saddam said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the hood, but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope from cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up. In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr. Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart in the face of death. He knew this was the end, and he was determined to do it well. I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a full-blown one. Really? Why not? What's your take on him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] QuantumPlus -- where science meets spirit to bring healing ...
http://www.quantumplus.us/OilPulling.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said May God damn you, Saddam said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the hood, but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope from cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up. In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr. Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart in the face of death. He knew this was the end, and he was determined to do it well. I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a full-blown one. Really? Why not? What's your take on him. He had some concept of family ties, for example...
[FairfieldLife] Re: QuantumPlus -- where science meets spirit to bring healing ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.quantumplus.us/OilPulling.html Interesting. It specifies refined sesame oil.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the relationship between God and Devatas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: I'm not sure that we can conclude from the database realm to the spiritual. that being said it is true that relational d.b. is being used far more than hierarchical. The main reason is that it was difficult to model a many-to-many relationship, (snip) There are other reasons, speed of access being one of them, but the many-to-many thing is interesting in itself. To me it seems as if the hierarchical model is something that a seeker (and especially a deist seeker) would think up. They're always trying to climb the tree to reach something higher than themselves. But would a realized individual, who even on the level of perception relates to the many *as* him- or herself, be tempted to think hierarchically? When your entire world view is Unity, are the devatas (assuming they exist) any higher than you? They *are* you. :-) It seems that the whole thing is within you; that you were created in the image of God. So, all of the devatas are part and parcel of the same consciousness as you. I looked up the translation of Shruti, it said: 'hearing'... So, it seems that experience of this realm is more on the level of faint 'feeling hearing'.. -much like the sound quality of the mantra, as it transcends to the source of thought, where it merges with light and feeling. So, the whole thing is vibratory: And the Intelligence contained within the structure, which modulates the different energies- So, as there is more and more experience of the Transcendent, available in the world, more and more of the lower vibrations, the chaotic vibrations, which can be heard- (the noise of chaos, whether it is expressed in music, the noise of a city, the screams in Iraq, or whatever...) Will be and are being replaced with calmer notes of harmony and bliss. So, it's all vibratory. Like tuning in like a radio does, spontaneously, at the right time, and at the right place to 'hear' the exact information- which you need the time, provided by all of the infinite possibilities, contained within the Transcendent. So, that's my take for now... That the hierarchy is within, as well as without. The balance of light and dark; And more and more the expansion of the light, causes the simultaneous collapse of the dark. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. Mark I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said May God damn you, Saddam said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the hood, but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope from cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up. In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr. Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart in the face of death. He knew this was the end, and he was determined to do it well. I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a full-blown one. Really? Why not? What's your take on him. He had some concept of family ties, for example... At the very least, we can say Saddam was misguided, or went astray. He had his own intepretation of his Muslim faith. He apparently believed that the end justifies the means. This failure to make the right choice of actions is the main cause to all of the problems today, specifically those that are related to religion and dogmas. The initial failure may start on a personal basis, such as verbal criticisms or hatred. If not caught early this error can snowball into a full scale war resulting in the deaths of many lives, as we see in Iraq and Afghanistan today. This brings us to the topic of the eternal struggle between good and evil. Do humans have a choice on the matter? Are we just an unwilling participant of the wars between the demigods and demons, or the angels and devils? Regards, John R.
[FairfieldLife] The poweRRR of tRRRilled R
One of the secrets of the Fuehrer prolly was his wonderful trilled r-sound... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omw-Q1Gj-aQ http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1406get=last
