date:20070324

As usual, Curtis' words have provoked many thoughts, 
which in turn have provoked many words.  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Turq,
 
 In support of your view of the lengths believers will go to 
 perpetuate the fantasies of their leader:
 
 Mao had many cockamamie ideas about agriculture.  One was that he
 could get ten times the production by planting ten times the rice.  
 It ended up killing the rice and causing a famine but when he 
 traveled to see his successes, there was a train ahead of him that 
 would go out and plant rice in that way in a prefab village so he 
 could see it for himself. They filled the rice silos to prove that 
 he was right and had revolutionized rice farming. 

Bingo. But there's a major difference IMO between the
toadies who do this for a political despot like Mao
who could either reward them with power and riches
or have them killed, and the toadies who do this sort
of thing with spiritual teachers. In my opinion the
latter phenomenon is sometimes fueled by fanatical
belief in the teacher and what he/she stands for, but
*most often* it's fueled by the I'm important because
I get to hang with Swami Whoopdeedoo, and he is ALL
important syndrome.

 If you have been around MMY for five minutes while people tell 
 him news you quickly realize that : good news big strokes, bad 
 news stony silence or anger, often at the messenger.

And your position within the org and the level of 
attention you get from your fellow students and the
thing that lifts you above the level of peon student
to the level of important student ALL depends on 
how many strokes you get.

 What interests me about the Guru Dev advance letter is its 
 use of the claims for magical powers in the hype.

Old as the hills. Been around as long as there have
been people. 

 He combines in himself the Knowledge of the self with the 
 mysterious powers -- the sidhis arising out of yogic 
 perfection and hard penances, which he has undergone 
 throughout his life.
 
 What an interesting claim!  

But please do recognize that this is *Maharishi's* 
claim, not (as far as we know) Guru Dev's claim.

All the difference in the world. 

The former is very much I'm important because I get 
to hang with Swami Whoopdeedoo, and he is ALL important.
That's STUDENT-GENERATED self-importance, not
necessarily TEACHER-GENERATED self-importance.
If we had records of Guru Dev *himself* saying stuff
like You (my students) are important because you get 
to hang with me, Swami Whoopdedoo, and *I* am ALL
important, then you'd have a different situation.
Been there, seen that, still trying to wash the 
taste out of my mouth.

But by far the more common phenomenon in spiritual
circles is when the STUDENTS start saying shit like
this about their teacher, to make THEMSELVES seem
more important, just for getting to hang with him.
That's what *I* see in Maharishi's toadying, not
any claim by Guru Dev himself.

And don't get me wrong here...I'm not trying to
protect any of my idealized notions about GD; I
don't really think I have that many. I never had 
much of a feel for him and still don't. I'm just
giving you some feedback as to what I think the
real SOURCE of this miracle stuff is, and that it's 
more *likely* that it came from the guy who was
trying to make *himself* seem more important (and
thus worth attending a lecture by) because he had
hung with a guy who could do miracles and pull
money out of his ass. Ooops, sorry...out of a 
magic box.

 Mysterious powers, unnamed and without a shred of proof 
 offered.  

As you have pointed out about stage magic (and as
the recent film The Prestige made even more clear),
the audience doesn't *want* proof. They want to 
BELIEVE.

 But asserted as part of his PR image, a man who can do 
 magical things that you and I who have not lived in the
 woods for years don't have.  This claim and the money 
 thing takes him out of the regular religious guy camp 
 and he goes into the spoon benders bin. 

If you're speaking of Maharishi, I agree with you.
I've still seen no real indication that GD himself
used...or needed...this approach. Again, don't get
me wrong...he might have. It's just that I haven't
seen any quotes that make me believe that he needed
to do such stuff.

 Claiming supernatural powers is bogus and if he had them
 he could demonstrate them if he wanted to be fair. Instead 
 it is just asserted and the claim is protected from any 
 challenge.

That's exactly why, historically, almost all tales
of spiritual teachers performing miracles don't
appear on the scene until AFTER they are safely
dead, and the claim is unchallengable. 
 
 It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his 
 teacher is the highest, bestest, most fantastical saint 
 in India.  Competitive thing isn't he?  

Yup. I think that the best thang is MAHARISHI's 
particular hangup. To me it's one of the most 
destructive things he brought to his teaching
and instilled

[FairfieldLife] The Trotaka Story (was Re: Press invitation, 1952)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his 
  teacher is the highest, bestest, most fantastical saint 
  in India.  Competitive thing isn't he?  
 
 Yup. I think that the best thang is MAHARISHI's 
 particular hangup. To me it's one of the most 
 destructive things he brought to his teaching
 and instilled in tens of thousands of followers. 
 One way that I think it's possible to view MMY
 is as having an inner little boy who is still
 trying desperately to prove himself to his 
 beloved guru so that he can get some strokes.

And not just to his guru.

Think back to one of Maharishi's favorite stories, 
usually told 3 to 4 times on each of the early 
TTC courses.

Yes, I'm talking about the Trotakacharya story.
Taken on the surface, it's a charming tale of
the value of devotion. But look beneath the
surface. 

Trotaka is *looked down on* in the ashram. He
isn't as bright as the other students, and he
doesn't perform as well in feats of intellectual
legerdemain. The other students poke fun at him.
For all we know, he could have been of low caste, 
and they Brahmins.

The other students don't understand why the guru
favors him and allows him to run errands and do
the necessary things around the ashram so that
the guru himself doesn't have to do them. As the
story is told by most Indians, Trotaka was late
for one of Shankara's discourses because he was
busy washing the master's clothes. The other main
disciples were upset at his inconsiderate treat-
ment of the guru until they heard him singing 
spontaneously-composed verses of devotion to 
Shankara from the riverside as he washed his 
clothes. At that point the other disciples 
realized the extent of Trotaka's devotion and 
waited patiently for him to finish the washing 
and join them.

As *Maharishi* tells the story, all of the other
disciples were on their knees before Trotaka that
day.

H. Maharishi is lower caste, with no possibility
of ever becoming a Swami or Shankaracharya himself.
His position in the ashram is running errands and
doing the Joe jobs that need doing. As evidenced
by the soap opera that developed when Guru Dev died,
he is not universally liked by the other disciples.

Isn't it possible that *in addition to* real devotion
to Guru Dev, a large part of what drives Maharishi
is and always has been the desire to see the other
disciples of Guru Dev on their knees before him?
That part of the story is tellingly *missing* from
other recountings of the tale that you can find on
the Internet and in spiritual literature. That 
ending was thought up and added by Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi. Personally, I think it's kinda revealing, and
that *what* it reveals is the genesis of his hangup
about being the best.

If TM is the best technique of meditation in the
world, then its creator must also be the best. If
the Maharishi Effect saves the world, then that's
yet another best. I think that in many ways the
man who supports the caste system in his lectures
is still smarting from having been the victim of it
in his youth, and is still longing to have his caste
betters back in India on their knees in front of 
him, finally recognizing him as the best.

Just a theory. NOT a claim of truth or Truth or 
anything like it. Just a theory.

[FairfieldLife] Very interesting article on The Holy Tradition found on the Web

Remembering the story of Trotaka earlier, I was 
searching for other versions of the story, and
stumbled onto this:

http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=297emne=Maharishi%20Mahesh%20Yogi

I'm not exactly sure what it is. It appears to
be a long article (and I do mean long...whoever
wrote it makes me look short-winded) on a Danish
talk forum called Dialogcentret.

It's also one of the loveliest pieces of writing
I've ever seen on the Holy Tradition and the
teachings of Guru Dev and Maharishi. From the
True Believer perspective, but without a trace
of the True Believer 'tude. I found myself
thoroughly charmed by it, and have nothing
but praise for the article itself and its
anonymous author.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Very interesting article on The Holy Tradition found on the Web

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Remembering the story of Trotaka earlier, I was 
 searching for other versions of the story, and
 stumbled onto this:
 
 http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=297emne=Maharishi%20Mahesh%20Yogi
 
 I'm not exactly sure what it is. It appears to
 be a long article (and I do mean long...whoever
 wrote it makes me look short-winded) on a Danish
 talk forum called Dialogcentret.
 
 It's also one of the loveliest pieces of writing
 I've ever seen on the Holy Tradition and the
 teachings of Guru Dev and Maharishi. From the
 True Believer perspective, but without a trace
 of the True Believer 'tude. I found myself
 thoroughly charmed by it, and have nothing
 but praise for the article itself and its
 anonymous author.

Holy shit. This is *the* Holy Tradition
booklet, isn't it? I no longer have one,
and probably last read it 20 years ago.
Still well done, and still states the 
case well, and without any of the lesser
language that has crept into movement
publications since. If Maharishi wrote
it, my praise for its author stands.

The Website above must be a kind of Danish
non-denominational TM-Free. There are other
links on the site that point to the Declar-
ation of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
document and a list of the TM mantras. 
But I thank them for the opportunity to
read this again. Oh, that the spirit that
pervades it were still the spirit of the
TM movement.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Very interesting article on The Holy Tradition found on the Web

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Remembering the story of Trotaka earlier, I was 
  searching for other versions of the story, and
  stumbled onto this:
  
  http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=297emne=Maharishi%20Mahesh%20Yogi
  
  I'm not exactly sure what it is. It appears to
  be a long article (and I do mean long...whoever
  wrote it makes me look short-winded) on a Danish
  talk forum called Dialogcentret.
  
  It's also one of the loveliest pieces of writing
  I've ever seen on the Holy Tradition and the
  teachings of Guru Dev and Maharishi. From the
  True Believer perspective, but without a trace
  of the True Believer 'tude. I found myself
  thoroughly charmed by it, and have nothing
  but praise for the article itself and its
  anonymous author.
 
 Holy shit. This is *the* Holy Tradition
 booklet, isn't it?

Yup.  Also available on Trancenet.

This is the part that strikes me as most
interesting:

From my own experience, I know that there were hundreds of very 
learned and capable disciples of GURU DEV, yet the task of 
spiritually regenerating mankind fell to one who was like 
TROTAKACHARYA, as distinct from the intellectual giants who 
surrounded the Master. This does not detract from the recognition and 
appreciation of those of more highly developed intellect since it is 
they who are more capable of comprehending and evaluating the 
philosophy and really enjoying the creative application of the whole 
philosophy in practical life. What is meant here is that, even those 
who are not so highly developed intellectually, can innocently become 
as tools in the hands of the divine, to work out His plan. And this 
seems to be the case in the tradition of JYOTIR MATH - not much 
learning is needed: just innocent surrender to the master. This gives 
us the key to success - we have simple sincere feelings, devotion, a 
sense of service - and wisdom dawns.

Seems to me MMY is presenting Trotaka not just as
a model for himself, but also for all TM teachers,
to forestall any concerns they may have about their
ability to teach successfully if they don't happen
to be intellectual giants.

There's also this version of the Trotaka story,
written by one R.B. Ramakrishna Rao, who has no
connection to TM or MMY:

How at Shringeri during his stay Shankara showered his blessings on a 
disciple called Giri is very interesting. The co- students used to 
look down upon Girl thinking that Vedanta for him was a hard nut to 
crack. Once Shankara at the time of his lecture said, Let us wait 
for Giri. The other pupils said, Why should we wait for him, Sir? A 
wall is much better than that dullard.

Shankara felt pained when such a student as was devoted to the 
service of his master was jeered at. What do you know about his 
nature and spiritual achievements? His ability will reveal itself 
shortly, said the Master. Isn't it enough if Master knows my merit? 
Should it be made known to others also? Let me not have such 
conceit - so Giri used to feel within himself and was serving his 
master silently. On that day as usual he came late and did obeisance 
to Acharya. Acharya said with a smile, Look Giri, We want you to 
give a discourse on the Self and its nature. We have been waiting for 
you.

It was the master's command as well as blessing. The so-called 
dullard Giri, in a very modest way and full of devotion expressed in 
his eyes, presented the very gist of Vedanta in Trotaka Vritta, a 
highly complicated metrical form, but very enlighteningly as if he 
was making with all reverence as offering to the Master. The other 
students felt ashamed of their folly. They apologised to both Acharya 
and Giri. Shankara, thus revealing the literary ability latent in 
Giri, called him Trotakacharya to make this incident remembered for 
a long time.

http://www.celticguitarmusic.com/life_of_shankara.htm

(Why this is on a site devoted to Celtic guitar
music, I have no idea!)

It doesn't mention the other disciples falling on
their knees, but that they're said to have felt
ashamed of their folly and apologized to Trotaka
looks to me to be pretty much the same idea.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Press invitation, written by Maharishi in October, 1952

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his
 teacher is the highest, bestest, most fantastical saint
 in India.  Competitive thing isn't he?  Best in spirituality.
 That reminds me of people who claim to be the best in art.

Or in politics, hmm?

Thing is, it isn't exactly *unusual* for followers
of a spiritual teacher or political or other kind of
leader to believe that the teacher or leader is the
best in their field.  If you didn't think that, why
would you be following them in the first place?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Speculation on the Genesis of TM

2007-03-24 Thread Richard J. Williams

TurquoiseB wrote:
 I was terribly under-whelmed with my experience 
 when meditating with Maharishi.
 
According to Tom Anderson, Maharishi's persoanl secretary, and the
Nath Vaj, and most of the contributors to TM Free, such as Paul Mason,
the Maharishi was never seen sitting in meditation for long periods of
time.

So, if what they say is correct, you probably actually sat with the
Maharishi meditating for about FIVE MINUTES, all total, on a single
TTC way back in 1971 in the lobby of a Spanish motel. 

You don't specify who all the other teachers you meditated with, but
one was probably Fred Lentz who called himself Zen Master Rama. It's
insteresting that Fred was a TMer and was initiated by  Beaulah Smith.

So, your story turns out to be very curious indeed. The fact probably
is that you've never sat for long periods of time with anybody in deep
meditation. So, why you'd want to make us think that you're an
accomplished siddha steeped in samadhi is beyond me. What's up with that?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press invitation, written by Maharishi in October, 1952

2007-03-24 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Mar 24, 2007, at 8:36 AM, authfriend wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip

It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his
teacher is the highest, bestest, most fantastical saint
in India.  Competitive thing isn't he?  Best in spirituality.
That reminds me of people who claim to be the best in art.


Or in politics, hmm?

Thing is, it isn't exactly *unusual* for followers
of a spiritual teacher or political or other kind of
leader to believe that the teacher or leader is the
best in their field.  If you didn't think that, why
would you be following them in the first place?


Maybe because he was the one who happened to come your way at the right 
time.  As in so many other things, timing is crucial to who most people 
follow and why.


And I believe there's a big difference between thinking something  
might be the best, for you at least, and loudly  trumpeting it, over 
and over (at least as per Curtis' description above).  The former might 
be natural, the latter almost a form of aggression, really having not 
much to do with the teacher and everything to do with the student's own 
needs to put himself on a pedestal as much as the teacher.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Richard

Hey Richard, I wish to know you a bit better. Really. I feel I have never
understood your intent. Is most of it pretty tongue in cheek? Or what?  I
know, my lack of understanding is ipso facto ignorance, so how about helping
me to understand you. Thanks - Kirk

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press invitation, written by Maharishi in October, 1952

There's no point flogging this horse to death. Saying something is the
'best' is merely an appeal to the ego, and a sales pitch.  Obviously we all
would like to think we were the best and we will be more content knowing we
have 'the best.' There's not really much that's very deep than needs to read
into this.  I don't think most megalomaniacs use 'the best' as a sales
pitch, for them, it's more like 'the only.'

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:53 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press invitation, written by Maharishi in
October, 1952

 

On Mar 24, 2007, at 8:36 AM, authfriend wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip

It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his
teacher is the highest, bestest, most fantastical saint
in India. Competitive thing isn't he? Best in spirituality.
That reminds me of people who claim to be the best in art.


Or in politics, hmm?

Thing is, it isn't exactly *unusual* for followers
of a spiritual teacher or political or other kind of
leader to believe that the teacher or leader is the
best in their field. If you didn't think that, why
would you be following them in the first place?


Maybe because he was the one who happened to come your way at the right
time. As in so many other things, timing is crucial to who most people
follow and why.

And I believe there's a big difference between thinking something might be
the best, for you at least, and loudly trumpeting it, over and over (at
least as per Curtis' description above). The former might be natural, the
latter almost a form of aggression, really having not much to do with the
teacher and everything to do with the student's own needs to put himself on
a pedestal as much as the teacher.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Very interesting article on The Holy Tradition found on the Web

2007-03-24 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Website above must be a kind of Danish
 non-denominational TM-Free. 

http://www.dci.dk/en/

It's non-denominational, but it *is* a Christian site with the typical
dualistic God is separate and eternity begins after death perspective.

[FairfieldLife] Harris vs. Hameroff on Sullivan's blog

http://tinyurl.com/28r37l

Pretty good (very basic) introduction to Hameroff's
microtubules-as-vehicle-of-consciousness theory,
which Lawson used to mention here from time to time.
Hameroff has been working closely with physicist/
mathematician Roger Penrose to formulate an
explanation of consciousness.

[FairfieldLife] Confessions of a Taco Eater

2007-03-24 Thread Richard J. Williams

Pandit Llundrub - Some of my messages are interesting, if I may say so
myself. I've been trashed real good by Judy, the two Barry's, Mr.
Perino, and Mr. Manning, not to mention Lon P. Stacks and the Asshole
Nick, but I don't take offense. In fact, I welcome the trashing
because that let's me get my own karma under control. 

It's a form of tapas and I take great pride in my siddhi
accomplishments. You see, I belong to an obscure sect in India that
prides itself on saying things in public that gets one trashed - it's
a sadhana meant to help other people get rid of their own karma. 

So, I don't resent the trashing, I thank them for it. Some people just
feel better when they have someone to talk to. Apparently you and I
are on the same path!

This fellow is at the Center of the Universe - still on the program,
meditating regularly during all the International meditating times and
avidly flying and rounding every weekend. I'm about a mile from the
Maharishi Golden Dome at Radience, Texas, the TM Ideal Village, home
of the Superradience Program. 

On a clear day the view from up here is great - I can see all the way
to Barsana Dham, the  seat of the Rasavada and Srimati Radharani, one
of the largest Hindu temples outside Mother India, where the Swami
Prakashanand Saraswati sits and gives discourses. The Swami is one of
the last direct disciples of our Guru Dev, who are still living. 

My words are recorded more to remind myself of my own earthliness,
rather than to convey and inform. Up here, words almost fail in their
ability to describe the sense of order and coherence that I sometimes
feel, an almost transcendental awareness of calm. 

Here I sit, up on Joe Friday Mountain, my laptop by my side, fully
convinced that I have realized my very own personal zone of tranquility. 

Anyway, if you ever get out to my place, we will have plenty of time
to worship the Great Wheel of Time, Kala Chakra, and just sit on the
porch and watch the moon climb over the mountain. 

Otherwise, you can be dialoging with this fellow on Usenet. However, I
must warn you - don't feed it.

The Confessions of a Taco Eater:

http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm

Reflections on the Transcendent:

http://www.rwilliams.us/

At the Center of the Universe:

http://tinyurl.com/2thgme

Or, you can be going to Google Groups and key in willytex, without the
words RE: and OT:, then, key in IF meditation THEN  maharishi OR
willytex ELSE guru dev.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Confessions of a Taco Eater

Thank you. I understand you a bit more now. I feel good about it. Please
stay well. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:05 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confessions of a Taco Eater

Pandit Llundrub - Some of my messages are interesting, if I may say so
myself. I've been trashed real good by Judy, the two Barry's, Mr.
Perino, and Mr. Manning, not to mention Lon P. Stacks and the Asshole
Nick, but I don't take offense. In fact, I welcome the trashing
because that let's me get my own karma under control. 

It's a form of tapas and I take great pride in my siddhi
accomplishments. You see, I belong to an obscure sect in India that
prides itself on saying things in public that gets one trashed - it's
a sadhana meant to help other people get rid of their own karma. 

So, I don't resent the trashing, I thank them for it. Some people just
feel better when they have someone to talk to. Apparently you and I
are on the same path!

This fellow is at the Center of the Universe - still on the program,
meditating regularly during all the International meditating times and
avidly flying and rounding every weekend. I'm about a mile from the
Maharishi Golden Dome at Radience, Texas, the TM Ideal Village, home
of the Superradience Program. 

On a clear day the view from up here is great - I can see all the way
to Barsana Dham, the  seat of the Rasavada and Srimati Radharani, one
of the largest Hindu temples outside Mother India, where the Swami
Prakashanand Saraswati sits and gives discourses. The Swami is one of
the last direct disciples of our Guru Dev, who are still living. 

My words are recorded more to remind myself of my own earthliness,
rather than to convey and inform. Up here, words almost fail in their
ability to describe the sense of order and coherence that I sometimes
feel, an almost transcendental awareness of calm. 

Here I sit, up on Joe Friday Mountain, my laptop by my side, fully
convinced that I have realized my very own personal zone of tranquility. 

Anyway, if you ever get out to my place, we will have plenty of time
to worship the Great Wheel of Time, Kala Chakra, and just sit on the
porch and watch the moon climb over the mountain. 

Otherwise, you can be dialoging with this fellow on Usenet. However, I
must warn you - don't feed it.

The Confessions of a Taco Eater:

http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm

Reflections on the Transcendent:

http://www.rwilliams.us/

At the Center of the Universe:

http://tinyurl.com/2thgme

Or, you can be going to Google Groups and key in willytex, without the
words RE: and OT:, then, key in IF meditation THEN  maharishi OR
willytex ELSE guru dev.   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants / next Governor Re-cert course

2007-03-24 Thread Patrick Gillam

 If we can inspire just a few hundred more Sidhas to join 
 the Assembly, we will reach the 2,000 level -- our national 
 super radiance number plus a safety factor -- and we will create 
 a truly Invincible America.

Any predictions as to what would be the acid test 
of the Maharishi Effect if they reach this superradiance 
number? 

It seems the most dramatic anecdotal evidence 
would have to come from the redirection of some 
trend that otherwise seemed to be heading off a 
cliff. For example, Iraq turns around, or the
expected subprime mortgage situation fails
to elicit the slump that's feared.

For my own comfort, I'd want to hear it cited 
by someone who's an authority in that area. For 
example, Mark Meredith, who used to post here 
on occasion, works in the securities industry, and 
would have been the person to provide insight into
the subprime loan problems.

Perhaps the clearest demonstration would be for
some stubborn, seemingly intransigent person
in power to have a 180-degree turnaround in
perspective. Maybe Dick Cheney endorses a
national program for sustainable energy. Or
Osama bin Laden says maybe the U.S. isn't 
the Great Satan after all.

What else? Post your posits here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants / next Governor Re-cert course

2007-03-24 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Mar 24, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:


If we can inspire just a few hundred more Sidhas to join
the Assembly, we will reach the 2,000 level -- our national
super radiance number plus a safety factor -- and we will create
a truly Invincible America.


Any predictions as to what would be the acid test
of the Maharishi Effect if they reach this superradiance
number?


Nothing.  If by some miracle they do get 2000, they'll simply raise the 
# needed to achieve whatever it is they're supposed to achieve, exactly 
like they did during the Taste of Utopia.  If anyone recalls, as soon 
as they got 7000--many times the 1600 or 1700 supposedly needed at that 
time--all of a sudden--voila!  10,000 became the magic number.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Lynch and Hagelin on You Tube

2007-03-24 Thread george_deforest

on You Tube:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe6PH8KWHcI 

film maker David Lynch and physicist John Hagelin 
speak glowingly about Maharishi

[FairfieldLife] Bhairitu's Reports and Retorts for March 24th

2007-03-24 Thread Bhairitu

Using the Science of Creative Communications (SCC) I have devised a
method of overcoming the 5 post limit on FFL. Just simply put all your
new posts and replies into one post and at different times throughout
the day post an update. :)

I wanted to reply to Turq's A Speculation of the Genesis of TM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136076

I highly doubt that effort was the reason MMY invented TM. For
centuries there has been meditation techniques for the masses and
meditation techniques for the disciples. The latter often involves a
lot more than just meditation but performing rituals and tapas (more in
the case of right hand traditions). But these things were considered
impractical for the public and simple meditation techniques were given
them. Probably about every monk at the ashram knew how to teach a
civilian meditation as there is not that much special or unique about
it. It traditionally takes a teacher who has been given a guru mantra
so that they have enough shakti to energize a mantra they give someone
(without the need of performing a puja beforehand). Many Indian
civilians even know how this is done but also that it must be given to
them by a guru or priest so it is energized.

Why MMY diverged from the traditional techniques the Shankaracharya's
gave the masses is the great mystery. Maybe it is as Rick once
suggested to make the technique unique. Bija mantras are used in longer
mantras to give them more power. They are seldom used by themselves.

However let me make clear I do not want to cast doubt into anyone's TM
practice. If it is working for you, fine. If not there are other
mantra meditation techniques available that may work better for you.
One should proceed with caution and do some research first by reading up
on the subject.

Curtis's comment on Press Invitation, written by Maharishi,,,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136135

It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his teacher is the
highest, bestest, most fantastical saint in India. Competitive thing
isn't he? Best in spirituality. That reminds me of people who claim
to be the best in art.

Indians are given to hyperbole to a ridiculous extent. One gets used to
this traveling throughout India as every saint, guru, etc. is the
greatest, bestest of all time. Seems to be a habit they have. In the
west most people are usually leery of such marketing hype though.

===

On Alex's reply to Novell's 'Get a Mac' Spoof, regarding media players.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136134

I'm writing this on my Ubuntu 6.10 machine. It is very user friendly.
The only problem is Ubuntu is sticking to pure open source free
products so you have to go elsewhere to find media players that will
play a wider range of media. I use VLC (VideoLan) for a lot of media as
it better designed than MPlayer. None of these require a geek to
install as Ubuntu comes with a package installer (in fact I think VLC
just comes with Ubuntu). More and more software vendors are beginning
to develop for Linux. I think the main problems is that being open
source how do you do an encryption layer that allows software vendors to
copy protect their software? I'm sure that can be solved too. How is
it done on OS X? There used to be copy protection software Mac OS 9.0
and under but I don't see anything for X. But the solution may be
virtual software where you go online to run a program rather than have
it on your machine. This scare the hell out of Microsoft since you
wouldn't need Windows to do that.

Also Linspire's Freespire project has a media player that will play an
even broader range of media. In many case Linspire aquired a license
for the codecs.

I have 3 XP machines here for software that runs on Windows but I won't
do email on anything but a Linux box as well as the majority of my web
surfing is on Linux.

And finally does anyone think that the American standard of living may
be a little too high? Apparently former Fed boss Alan Greenspan thinks so:
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/03/14/greenspan_let_more_skilled_immigrants_in

He believes that: allowing more skilled workers into the country would
bring down the salaries of top earners in the United States, easing
tensions over the mounting wage gap.

In a way I sort of agree. I've always said wages have been spiraling
out of control, especially CEO wages. I think however he is referring
to the middle class, not CEOs. We have a very big conundrum here, you
can't lower the wages for Americans without them being thrown out of
their homes because they'll no longer be able to afford their mortgages
which will lead to a collapse of the banking system and a new depression
which will probably make the one in the 1930s look like a Sunday school
picnic. I think we all knew this back in the late 1970's and were
headed in the right

RE: [FairfieldLife] Bhairitu's Reports and Retorts for March 24th

Nishkrama shanti mantras can be used by all wholesale and sundry, so the
various traditional commitments of upasakas don't so much apply.  If one
then desires a specific result where some other mantra is needed one must
abide by the vow of the sadhana. In the case of TMO all more purposeful
rituals besides the basic shanti techniques are controlled by the
traditional Brahmans who will know what to do.Since this is the Vedic
Tradition. Otherwise all the broken vows of the millions of TMers would have
crashed the technique for everyone else. But that hasn't happened. Nishkrama
shanti. That's why. Doesn't matter so much whether it's of Siva or Shakti,
but more importantly what the practice commitment is. In this case 20 x 2.
If one follows that practice vow they should end up with nonkarmic
peacefulness.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:56 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bhairitu's Reports and Retorts for March 24th

Using the Science of Creative Communications (SCC) I have devised a 
method of overcoming the 5 post limit on FFL.  Just simply put all your 
new posts and replies into one post and at different times throughout 
the day post an update. :)

I wanted to reply to Turq's A Speculation of the Genesis of TM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136076

I highly doubt that effort was the reason MMY invented TM.  For 
centuries there has been meditation techniques for the masses and 
meditation techniques for the disciples.  The latter often involves a 
lot more than just meditation but performing rituals and tapas (more in 
the case of right hand traditions).   But these things were considered 
impractical for the public and simple meditation techniques were given 
them.  Probably about every monk at the ashram knew how to teach a 
civilian meditation as there is not that much special or unique about 
it.  It traditionally takes a teacher who has been given a guru mantra 
so that they have enough shakti to energize a mantra they give someone 
(without the need of performing a puja beforehand).  Many Indian 
civilians even know how this is done but also that it must be given to 
them by a guru or priest so it is energized.

Why MMY diverged from the traditional techniques the Shankaracharya's 
gave the masses is the great mystery.  Maybe it is as Rick once 
suggested to make the technique unique.  Bija mantras are used in longer 
mantras to give them more power.  They are seldom used by themselves.

However let me make clear I do not want to cast doubt into anyone's TM 
practice.  If it is working for you, fine.  If not there are other 
mantra meditation techniques available that may work better for you.  
One should proceed with caution and do some research first by reading up 
on the subject.



Curtis's comment on Press Invitation, written by Maharishi,,,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136135

It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his teacher is the
highest, bestest, most fantastical saint in India.  Competitive thing
isn't he?  Best in spirituality.  That reminds me of people who claim
to be the best in art.

Indians are given to hyperbole to a ridiculous extent.  One gets used to 
this traveling throughout India as every saint, guru, etc. is the 
greatest, bestest of all time.  Seems to be a habit they have.  In the 
west most people are usually leery of such marketing hype though.

===

On Alex's reply to Novell's 'Get a Mac' Spoof, regarding media players.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136134

I'm writing this on my Ubuntu 6.10 machine.  It is very user friendly.  
The only problem is Ubuntu is sticking to pure open source free 
products so you have to go elsewhere to find media players that will 
play a wider range of media.  I use VLC (VideoLan) for a lot of media as 
it better designed than MPlayer.   None of these require a geek to 
install as Ubuntu comes with a package installer (in fact I think VLC 
just comes with Ubuntu).  More and more software vendors are beginning 
to develop for Linux.  I think the main problems is that being open 
source how do you do an encryption layer that allows software vendors to 
copy protect their software?  I'm sure that can be solved too.  How is 
it done on OS X? There used to be copy protection software Mac OS 9.0 
and under but I don't see anything for X.  But the solution may be 
virtual software where you go online to run a program rather than have 
it on your machine.  This scare the hell out of Microsoft since you 
wouldn't need Windows to do that.

Also Linspire's Freespire project has a media player that will play an 
even broader range of media.   In many case Linspire aquired a license 
for the codecs.

I have 3 XP machines here for software that runs on Windows but I won't 
do email on anything but a Linux box as well as the

[FairfieldLife] check out www.rense.com

2007-03-24 Thread WLeed3

that's  _www.rense.com_ (http://www.rense.com) article is there  re 
opening of a copper door in the pyramid etc.



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[FairfieldLife] Heart-stopping

The WEG2006 Freestyle Dressage Final Performance of Andreas Helgstrand 
on Blue Horse Matine

YouTube video:

http://tinyurl.com/2a4apl

One of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life, probably in 
the top three.  When it was over, I realized tears were running down my 
cheeks.

Be sure to watch it with the sound on.

DO NOT MISS THIS.

[FairfieldLife] Prediction: Hagelin not long for TMO

2007-03-24 Thread shempmcgurk

Watched The Secret this week for the first time (on the advice of a 
40-year TMer) and I enjoyed it immensely.  I found its message 
positive and inspirational.  I recommend it highly.

Having said that, I predict, on the basis of his appearance in this 
DVD, that John Hagelin will be given an ultimatum by either MMY or 
others in the TMO: either repudiate what is in the DVD or step down 
from his positions in the TMO.

Why will it come to this?

Because, unlike the What the bleep movie which was basically a 
discussion of physics and its connection to spirituality and the mind-
body question, The Secret involves the teaching and dissemination 
of actual mental techniques.  

And not just your run-of-the-mill, positive-mental-attitude, it's-
good-to-have-a-sunny-disposition, garden-variety mental technique.  
No, the makers of this DVD promise their practitioners that by 
practising the mental techniques described in The Secret they will 
obtain nothing less than anything in the universe that they ask for. 

And that's the rub: the instructions unveiled in this film are, 
bottom line, mental techniques...and not-so-innocuous mental 
techniques at that.  In order to practise them they require 
controlling one's thoughts and feelings. And they pretty much require 
practising their techniques for a good part of the day.

And this, my friends, is a freight train running head-on into an 
oncoming locomotive. 

Why?  

Because the question will inevitably be asked: why start TM when all 
one has to do to get anything from the universe is to follow the 
mental technique instructions in The Secret?  And if one is already 
doing TM, why continue with it and bother with all the unstressing 
and the two 20-minute periods each day when all you have to do is the 
Secret's 3-step program.

Hey, I dare say that The Secret is far superior to TM: much more 
practical and cheaper at $29.95 than the unweildy 7-step $2,500 TM 
Program!.  Indeed, The Secret even comes with its own holy 
tradition...and it includes people we've heard of: Einstein, Henry 
Ford, Churchill!

Why bother moving to Fairfield and spending 6 hours in the Dome each 
day when in the privacy and comfort of your existing home without 
moving away from your hometown you can get world peace just by 
practising The Secret? Because, after all, if through The Secret 
anything in the universe is available to you, obtaining world peace 
for this itty-bitty third rock from the sun shouldn't be such a big 
deal.

No, any way you cut it, bottom line is that the teachings in this DVD 
conflict with the TMO's and MMY's direction.  And if sneaking off to 
Iowa City to get hugged by a middle-aged Indian woman is enough to 
get you kicked out of the Dome, then I dare say that hooking up with 
a multinational marketing program promising nothing less than 
changing the course of human history can only warrant you at least 
the same.

Hagelin cannot be in one of the top 5 positions in the TMO (next to 
Maharishi, Bevan and da King) and, next to Maharishi, the #1 PR 
position of the TMO (is he not the face of the TMO in the Western 
World?) and be a part of a program that a regular TM trooper can now 
point to and say: Well, John Hagelin appeared in this film and they 
say all you have to do to get everything you want is this and 
that...so why should I bother with this TM teaching if Hagelin 
endorses it?.

And even though Hagelin's participation is not the parts where actual 
instructions are given, he does by his presence give credence to the 
whole kit-and-kaboodle.  There's no way of getting around it: he is 
sold in the DVD as being part-and-parcel of The Secret.

So push has to come to shove.  And Hagelin will inevitably be asked 
to clarify his position.

And when he is confronted and told to clarify his position, he will 
told that it will have to be public so that all the minions know 
where he stands.  But Hagelin will also be presented with, 
inevitably, an additional admonition: And, John, in addition to 
repudiating this film you must agree to never, ever appear in films 
or any media like this again and you must always toe the TM party-
line. 

The problem is that our Mr. Hagelin loves the limelight a wee bit too 
much.  Sure, he'll think long and hard but I'll bet a dollar to a 
donut that he will, ultimately, choose to go the way of a Deepak and 
resign and cut his ties.   Hey, just by virtue of sheer boredom.  I 
mean, how many years can you repeat the same claptrap?  No, Hagelin 
will choose more limelight opportunities over rigid guru-imposed, 
you'll-getting-your-comeuppance restrictions on his free speech and 
he'll fly the coup.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

2007-03-24 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The WEG2006 Freestyle Dressage Final Performance of Andreas Helgstrand 
 on Blue Horse Matine
 
 YouTube video:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2a4apl
 
 One of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life, probably in 
 the top three.  When it was over, I realized tears were running down my 
 cheeks.
 
 Be sure to watch it with the sound on.
 
 DO NOT MISS THIS.

I don't get it. Why was that so amazing? 

What amazes me is the startling contrast of your experience of that
video compared to mine. All I saw was a horse prancing around
ridiculously to a medley of schlocky muzakified pop tunes, and it was
all I could do to keep watching it to the end. I totally don't grok
why that was amazing or remarkable.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Heart-stopping

2007-03-24 Thread WLeed3

i found it in ur later post thanks Judy



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

2007-03-24 Thread claudiouk

Judy - you do have such eclectic interests. Horses not my scene but 
watched the video and appreciated its specialness.. thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The WEG2006 Freestyle Dressage Final Performance of Andreas 
Helgstrand 
 on Blue Horse Matine
 
 YouTube video:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2a4apl
 
 One of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life, probably in 
 the top three.  When it was over, I realized tears were running down 
my 
 cheeks.
 
 Be sure to watch it with the sound on.
 
 DO NOT MISS THIS.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  The WEG2006 Freestyle Dressage Final Performance of Andreas 
Helgstrand 
  on Blue Horse Matine
  
  YouTube video:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/2a4apl
  
  One of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life, 
probably in 
  the top three.  When it was over, I realized tears were running 
down my 
  cheeks.
  
  Be sure to watch it with the sound on.
  
  DO NOT MISS THIS.
 
 I don't get it. Why was that so amazing? 
 
 What amazes me is the startling contrast of your experience of
 that video compared to mine. All I saw was a horse prancing
 around ridiculously to a medley of schlocky muzakified pop tunes,
 and it was all I could do to keep watching it to the end. I
 totally don't grok why that was amazing or remarkable.

Basically, the horse is doing things with its legs--
its gait--that it shouldn't be able to do, and it's
very clearly having the time of its life showing off.

The *training* required to get a horse to do that is
just extraordinary; and the horse has to also be
extraordinary to be willing and able to execute that
training. The communication between horse and rider
has to be extraordinary as well, because the rider is
guiding the horse at every step.

Imagine you have four legs, and you use them
instinctively; you're not even aware of how they
work together.  To do what this horse is doing,
you have to block out that instinctive coordination
and consciously control each of your four legs
individually.

And you're a *horse*.

I dunno, maybe you have to be visually familiar with
a horse's normal gait to realize how spectacular 
this performance is.  This is the Fred Astaire of
horses.

Plus which, the damn horse is doing it *to the music*,
schlocky though it may be.  I don't know how much of
that is a matter of the rider signaling the beat to
the horse, as opposed to the horse hearing the beat
itself--probably more the former than the latter--but
it's just wonderful to watch, not least because the
horse is so obviously enjoying it.

It ain't just me.  If you listen to the two announcers,
who know their dressage, they start off appropriately
appreciative but cool and collected, then toward the
end they become absolutely gobsmacked.  The audience
is blown away as well.

I know very little about dressage myself; it's just a
matter of having a sense of how a horse's legs
normally work and being able to see the contrast.  If
anybody here is more familiar with dressage, maybe
they could give a better explanation.

Incidentally, I should credit Bill Leed; I went to
the Rense.com site to read the article he mentioned
on the pyramid doors, and saw the a link to this
video as well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 This is the Fred Astaire of horses.

Er, make that the Ginger Rogers of horses...

But her performance is more on Fred's level.

Also, I misspelled her name.  It's Blue Hors Matine
(no e; Danish, I think).

Nine years old, quite young for this level of
competition, apparently.

[FairfieldLife] Asheville, North Carolina to become lighthouse of peace

2007-03-24 Thread george_deforest


Asheville, North Carolina to become lighthouse of peace
by Global Good News staff writer

http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11741677812084720
http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11741677812084720

Global Good News -- 18 March 2007 (click internal links for further
information)


The leader of the Global Country of World Peace for North and South
Carolina, Raja Pat Barrett, is making rapid progress to ensure that his
domain becomes a lighthouse of coherence through Maharishi's Six-Point
Programme http://www.globalfinancialcapitalny.org/  to create a
healthy, happy society and a peaceful world.

Raja Pat Barrett has been working with local teachers of the
Transcendental Meditation programme to find land in his domain on which
to build new facilities applying the principles of Vastu, as laid out in
Maharishi Sthapatya Veda
http://www.vedicarchitecture.org/new/introduction.html , for optimal
health, wealth and well-being for the inhabitants.

Ideal land has been located in the City of Asheville in North Carolina.
Asheville is a picturesque mountain town that has long been regarded as
a rich cultural centre for the southern United States. The seven acres
located in the heart of Asheville will make a beautiful setting for the
programmes of Maharishi's Vedic Science. Two Maharishi Schools of the
Age of Enlightenment for 120 students each are planned, as well as a
Maharishi Peace Palace http://www.maharishipeacepalace.org/ , and a
Maharishi Spa, offering treatments in preventive, holistic health care.

The property is adjacent to a major interstate highway that is a main
route through North Carolina and the nearby states of South Carolina,
Georgia, and Tennessee. A two-directional billboard will be erected
along this highway which will be viewed by many people every day. The
billboard will provide the contact information for Transcendental
Meditation and feature the heading, 'A Clear Mind Can See Far'.

Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants / next Governor Re-cert course

2007-03-24 Thread Patrick Gillam

 --- Sal Sunshine wrote:

 On Mar 24, 2007, Gillam wrote:
 
  Any predictions as to what would be the acid test
  of the Maharishi Effect if they reach this superradiance
  number?
 
 Nothing.  If by some miracle they do get 2000, they'll simply raise the 
 # needed to achieve whatever it is they're supposed to achieve, exactly 
 like they did during the Taste of Utopia.  If anyone recalls, as soon 
 as they got 7000--many times the 1600 or 1700 supposedly needed at that 
 time--all of a sudden--voila!  10,000 became the magic number.

I'll accept nothing as a predicted outcome of 
reaching the superradiance threshhold for the 
United States, but my recollection of the Taste 
of Utopia differs from what's above. 

First of all, 1,600 was the number needed for 
the U.S. alone. The course was trying to 
demonstrate what would happen if we reached 
a number sufficient for the whole world, 7,000 
being the square root of one percent of the 
world's population at the time. Actual 
course participants totaled more than 10,000 
at peak attendance. In the aftermath of the 
course, a group in Fairfield formed a 7000 
Now committee, reinforcing in my mind that 
the goal remained 7k, not 10k, as you suggest, 
Sal.

[FairfieldLife] Saturday quotas

Judy and Kirk each did 6. Otherwise everyone was on or under quota.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Heart-stopping

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:23 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Heart-stopping

The WEG2006 Freestyle Dressage Final Performance of Andreas Helgstrand 
on Blue Horse Matine

YouTube video:

http://tinyurl.com/2a4apl

One of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life, probably in 
the top three. When it was over, I realized tears were running down my 
cheeks.

That's sweet, Judy. To me that reveals that you have a good heart. I would
suggest to your critics that much of what they criticize in your behavior is
an expression of emotional wounds, either fresh or old, which we all possess
to some degree, and which can only be healed by love. If we were all as
loving as we might potentially be, we could avoid reacting in kind when you
speak harshly, and help you heal those wounds. I'm saying this sincerely,
without any condescension or judgment. I often hear Amma say things like
this. In fact, in every lecture she gives, she mentions that most people
carry a load of emotional wounds that can only be healed by love. It's
wonderful to see her loving people unconditionally for hours on end, many of
them crying as you cried when you watched the horse. Maybe someday such
people will be commonplace and harmony will prevail in the world.

[FairfieldLife] Various

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 For the story about his integrity to be meaningful one has to 
 believe that he did in fact have a magical source of money as 
 claimed.  There were bills to pay in the ashram and I am not sure 
 what exactly is being claimed here.  It is purposely vague and 
 leaves the superstitions credulity of the reader to fill in the 
 blanks.  That its intention is to prove by a physical claim that 
 Guru Dev has magical powers is clear.

Not only is it not clear, it's a GIGANTIC stretch.

What you've done here is to *invent* a miracle,
stuff it in MMY's mouth, and then beat him over
the head with it (pardon the mixed metaphor).
There's nothing in this piece that would suggest
MMY was talking about magical powers.

You also use the notion that MMY was vague to
suggest that he was really trying to lead his
readers to come to a specific conclusion.

That falls into the damned if he does, damned
if he doesn't category of fallacies.

It's perfectly plausible that Guru Dev had a
source of funds other than donations from
disciples and visitors--even, perhaps, his own
inheritance, as Marek suggested; or some major
behind-the-scenes donors who weren't disciples
strictly speaking.

That some invented a story about a magic box
as the source of Guru Dev's funds isn't MMY's
or Guru Dev's fault unless they themselves were
promoting it.

In a publicity piece like this, MMY isn't going
to go into the intricacies of funding the math;
all he's trying to do is encourage people to
come hear Guru Dev, including poor people who
might not otherwise attend because they
couldn't afford the donation they assumed would
be expected of them.

Curtis, your thinking here sure isn't following
either scientific or logical principles.  It's
fantasy that ignores even what evidence there is.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The Website above must be a kind of Danish
  non-denominational TM-Free. 
 
 http://www.dci.dk/en/
 
 It's non-denominational, but it *is* a Christian site with
 the typical dualistic God is separate and eternity begins
 after death perspective.

Specifically intended to show that the new
religions do not contain the truth provided
by Christianity. It's not focused exclusively
on TM.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 That's exactly why, historically, almost all tales
 of spiritual teachers performing miracles don't
 appear on the scene until AFTER they are safely
 dead, and the claim is unchallengable. 

That's not the case, actually.  Such tales are quite
common while the teacher is still alive.  Think of
Sai Baba, for one horrible example.  For that matter,
there are plenty of such stories about Maharishi.
There were even stories about Werner Erhard of est
being in two places at once, among other things.
I've heard or read many, many such stories about
living teachers and saints.

---

To Sal:

You asked for examples of trashing.  Try this:

I am using a post to commend the mod's decisions and
to say goodbye to all you diarrhea posters. Now you
compulsive no-lifers can take it back home to AMT
where the world will be your plastic oyster.

---

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  With the institution of the New Regime, it's
  fascinating to watch the ruling class here turning
  itself into the TMO before our very eyes--shunning,
  attacking, silencing, and driving off those who
  dissent from the Party Line.
 
 Ok. Word association.  What's the first thing that come
 to mind after reading this post?  Bell Jar, as in Sylvia
 Plath.

Boy, that reference sure is lost on me.

snip
 And really neither Judy nor Lawson are coupled with
 a partner

That you know about, you mean.

RE: [FairfieldLife] The Trotaka Story (was Re: Press invitation, 1952)

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:05 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Trotaka Story (was Re: Press invitation, 1952)

If TM is the best technique of meditation in the
world, then its creator must also be the best. If
the Maharishi Effect saves the world, then that's
yet another best. I think that in many ways the
man who supports the caste system in his lectures
is still smarting from having been the victim of it
in his youth, and is still longing to have his caste
betters back in India on their knees in front of 
him, finally recognizing him as the best.

Ever wonder what MMY wanted to build the world's tallest buildings? Do you
think he was unaware that the world would recognize and remember that they
had been built in his name?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of authfriend
 Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:23 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Heart-stopping

 The WEG2006 Freestyle Dressage Final Performance of Andreas 
Helgstrand 
 on Blue Horse Matine

 YouTube video:

 http://tinyurl.com/2a4apl

 One of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life, probably 
in 
 the top three. When it was over, I realized tears were running down 
my 
 cheeks.

 That's sweet, Judy. To me that reveals that you have a good
 heart. I would suggest to your critics that much of what they 
 criticize in your behavior is an expression of emotional
 wounds, either fresh or old, which we all possess to some 
 degree, and which can only be healed by love. If we were all as
 loving as we might potentially be, we could avoid reacting
 in kind when you speak harshly, and help you heal those wounds.
 I'm saying this sincerely, without any condescension or judgment.
 I often hear Amma say things like this.

And I would suggest you leave it to Amma to say
things like this.  I'm sure she *can* say them 
without condescension or judgment and with
sincerity; and I suspect as well that she's a
whole lot better at seeing into people's hearts
than you are.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:26 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

 That's sweet, Judy. To me that reveals that you have a good
 heart. I would suggest to your critics that much of what they 
 criticize in your behavior is an expression of emotional
 wounds, either fresh or old, which we all possess to some 
 degree, and which can only be healed by love. If we were all as
 loving as we might potentially be, we could avoid reacting
 in kind when you speak harshly, and help you heal those wounds.
 I'm saying this sincerely, without any condescension or judgment.
 I often hear Amma say things like this.

And I would suggest you leave it to Amma to say
things like this. I'm sure she *can* say them 
without condescension or judgment and with
sincerity; and I suspect as well that she's a
whole lot better at seeing into people's hearts
than you are.

Way better. And I really did mean what I said as a compliment. Sorry if I
wasn't able to express it well.

[FairfieldLife] Foundation poured for SV bldg in D.C.

2007-03-24 Thread bob_brigante

Tower II - The World's Greenest Sthapatya Veda Office Building

Global Good News
24 March 2007

A large commercial office complex, designed according to the 
principles of Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, is now under construction 
near the Bethesda Peace Palace in Rockville, Maryland. 

Tower II, the development of Dr Jeffrey Abramson and family, is the 
largest building of its type in the world. At 200,000 square ft, 9 
storeys tall, this $70 million structure will be the largest 
commercial office building built according to Maharishi Sthapatya 
Veda, a landmark in fortune-creating buildings. Renderings of the 
building show a very striking presence. 

It will also be the most environmentally friendly commercial building 
in the world, certified to the Gold Standard by the US Green Building 
Council. It will achieve a 45 per cent reduction in use of 
electricity and 48 per cent reduction in water use. Seventy percent 
of the materials to build it will be shipped from within 500 miles of 
the site, yielding energy savings equivalent to removing 8,500 cars 
from the road. 

The developers and the Abramson family broke ground for the building 
on April 30, 2006Akshaya Tritiya (Day of Lasting Achievements) in 
the Vedic Calendaran auspicious day for the beginning of new 
projects. Construction has begun, with the Vastu foundation being 
poured this week. Construction is expected to be complete within a 
year, and the opening has been set for 1 July 2008. 

Tower II will be an inspiration for the future, and a tremendous 
magnet for people from around the world to observe for themselves 
just how graceful and practical a Maharishi Sthapatya Veda building 
can be, and what makes it the highest advancement of building and 
development in the world today. 

For information about Maharishi's six-point programme to create a 
healthy, happy, prosperous society, and a peaceful world, please 
visit: Global Financial Capital of New York. 

Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping