Re: [FairfieldLife] Pots of gold at the end of rainbows (Intelligent stuff)
Hi Edg, for some unknown reason after some days I went through my spam-mails thoroughly and found your early reply from Feb.19 just by chance. So apart from this luck I have no idea, why some of the Fairfield-mails end up there and others not. I am basically agreeing to what you say about the fate of inventions and the difficulty to get them launched into the market. But is this the pivotal criteria for their remarkableness ? Was this not exactly the reason why a Schauberger got supressed, because he was not fitting into the market theory of the trend of his time. Just so, Viktor Schauberger, Tesla and Mendel -- examples of true giants of thought -- they and thousands upon thousands of pretty good thinkers with great ideas have had to find it in themselves to wear a lot of different hats in order to get their babies all growd up. Most fail. Even Tesla who was totally funded and had really insanely great ideas hit the walls of ignorance and lack of imagination in the worldthat and corporate evil doers who are brigands of the darkest sort. For that reason it is good to remind to their great ideas from time to time. My dream of a Veda-Land for example (not that kind of type, once having been designed as a giant leisure time park) is an assembly of people, who would like to live their dreams in an orderly and socially compatible manner. Once the group has been growing up to the size of about 10,000 (the critical mass), it not only in the position to create the desired harmonious influence due to group programs, but in case its ideas do not get adopted by the surroundings (immediately), it at least will be able and have enough space to apply the same within its own campus or facilities. By this neither the individual nor the group as such will stand under pressure to fasten up in order to cope with the economic needs. This group should show independence exactly in the very sense of the visions of those ingenious minds. Very soon I want to start with a website, advertising for such an idea. Call me a dreamer but I am not the only one and I have not much more time in this life left to wait until others will be possibly doing it. (Do not get impressed too much by your own fears !) As for the gossip that there's a 500 miles/gallon carburettor and a nylon stocking that never runs, etc., I believe it. Given that money is the bottom line, what wouldn't BigOil do to shelve that carburettor? Killing someone would be nothing to such a company -- a company that is willing to pollute all of Alaska for instance -- and then, stealing all the research papers (Tesla) etc. would just be cleaning up the crime scene. No problmo for a sociopathic corporation. You bring it to the point. That is the reason why constant clarification is necessary. It has to become so enervating for them, that they will begin to give up and let the dam break. For every Tesla there's HUNDREDS of goofyass obsessive types who will waste your time with the wackiest concepts. Google perpetual motion machines, or UFO technology being used by US government, or 9-11 Inside job, and behold the legions of true believers who can enthrall the lower half of the bell curve like it was a lynch mob outside a jailhouse holding a child's killer. I've been worked into many such a lather myself. Are you aware, that there had been a study, launchend by the US-Government itself, which was supposed to find out, what the tendencies of thought in society were ? Surprisingly three main tendencies got found, so to say the three gunas of society: a) the all-time yestereves, stating, they wished all came back to the good old times (30%) b) the technocrats, who blindly believe in technical progress (40% and c) the alternatives, who seem to have creative up to weird imaginations of future. The study found out that the last group was the worst organized one, consisting of many individuals, who were fearing that they would stand alone with their ideas. And the conclusion of the research was, that if these protagonists had been able to get themselves organized in a better way, they could easily overtake society. BushCo has showed us that those in power can do any damned thing they want to do. Don't show up for congressional hearing, be in contempt, break any law, and, yeah, KILL MILLIONS FOR OIL...mostly moms and kids. So look at that brazen marauding of the masses -- if you do something that affects their bottom lines, these VICIOUS PSYCHOTIC ENTITIES will simply erase you from the surface of the Earth. Once a German TM-teacher was telling me that Maharishi leaned to him and said: Be intelligent ! I think this is the parole we have to follow. If you give up, because you fear such powers, then the result is clear from the very beginning. But if you don't, you might loose, but it would make at least sense and you would learn a lot. I do not want to be so foolhardy to predict that we could make it, but the trial is worth it and my
[FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now ('Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain= War Forever?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Hey! Richard is a willing volunteer for the FFL dunking tank. Who else is going to volunteer? :-) this kinda sounds to me like a warning to anyone who might challenge the inner cadre of this group. You haven't been around long enough to get Bhairitu's sense of humor, Ed. This was a joke. Edg's cry to ban Willytex, on the other hand, may have been laughable, but it wasn't a joke. It was him on an emotional drinking binge again. I don't think it makes for an attractive sentiment for people who are checking out FFL because they've heard all the great things about it that I've heard. If that's how it is I don't have time for it. I've been telling people about this group where Ru's, Semi Ru's, Ex Ru's and non Ru's like me can get good insights and exchange opinions. Was I kidding myself? You might have been idealizing something that is IMO kinda neat, but doesn't deserve being put up on any kind of pedestal. Fairfield Life is a collection of... uh...humans (or near-humans) and humans are...uh...weird. As you get to know the...uh...weird humans here, you will get more of a feel for their many quirks. Edg Duveyoung is one of the quirkiest. Here's my assess- ment of his latest rant. In the same way that some of the subjectopaths here seem to believe that If I believe it, it's 'truth,' Edg believes that If I *feel* it, it's 'truth.' Edg is an emotion junkie. He's a writer, and thus in love primarily with his own words, but he seems to believe that the profundity of the words is in direct relationship to the emotion he's feeling as he writes them. As a result he actually *relishes* the people who push his so-easily-pushed buttons here on FFL. They make him *feel* things that otherwise he wouldn't be able to feel. Then he can write about them and consider his writings profound because they're coming from some wellspring of strong emotion. Willytex is good at pushing people's buttons. Truth be told, that's possibly the only thing in the world he IS good at. Most of us learned long ago to ignore him. But not Edg. What this ban Willytex rant was about is that he was really *thankful* for getting his buttons pushed, because that allowed him to think that what he was writing while in that button-pushed emotional state was profound and noble. Your response, as a non-Ru, and the response of literally everyone else here including the moderators, should point out to him how wrong he was in that assessment. But it won't. Edg *loves* to rant. Just as one could accurately describe Willytex in the two words Willytex trolls, one could accurately describe Edg as Edg rants. That's just what the two of them DO. I see Edg's ban Willytex rant as just the latest example of him not realizing how much he NEEDS people like Willytex in his life. In a very real sense, he would HAVE NOTHING TO WRITE ABOUT if it weren't for them. He NEEDS to have his buttons pushed TO write. Many of us are still on this forum out of nothing more than compassion for Edg. We say provocative things SO THAT he has something to write about, and thus feels like he's actually doing something with his life. :-) (Just kidding. We're on this forum because we like to rant, too.) In the past, Edg has railed against most of us. He's tried to lay waste to me, to Judy, to Shemp, and to many others. ALL of them are still here, and if he were more honest, he'd admit that he likes it that way, because his inner being knows that without us, he probably wouldn't be able to come up with enough stuff to write about each week to fill a thimble. The ability to hear someone spew idiocy (sorry Richard) and not switch to lynch mob mode is something that Life In Fairfield has cultivated in me. Edg thrives on lynch mob mode. He thinks it's noble. Go figure. I found it a necessary skill when dealing daily as I do with my people 'north of town'. I think there'd be less caustic and inflammatory posts if the people responsible didn't know they'd get this kind of satisfying response. Here I completely agree with you, Edvark. (Love your screen name, BTW.) Trolls like Willytex and a few others here couldn't get *their* emotional sustenance if a few people here didn't constantly react to their calculated button-pushing by allowing their buttons to get pushed. If everyone reacted to Willytex's rants the way that most of us do -- with a hearty push of the Next button -- he'd dry up and blow away and find another group to troll. I hope y'all are able to contemplate what kind of space a person's in that might make them prone to intentional antagonism. I look forward to hearing how this comes out. It may determine the direction this hitherto 'way cool' group is gonna go, and whether I'll have to update all the people I've been braggin this group up to Don't despair. As far as I know, no one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, itsstevemartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am public school teacher in NC. This is my 31st year teaching. I never was, brave enough or foolish enough which ever you prefer,to become a pauper for TM. I just do it and pay my own way. I just have never taken many extravagant vacations. I have payed for my 2 kids to go through college. They don't owe a dime. I have a nice house. When I was out at MUM this past summer I was astonished at how many people are seekers and destitute. I never put my eggs all in one basket. If I get to retirement age( I am 55) and am not enlighted, (he he I am not holding my breath, I never think of the goal.), well I will have my ignorance along with retirement and assets. Just busy working for the man. Keeping on meditating. My field is special education by the way. I have spent 10 years working with severely and profoundly disabled people in a state institution. I have 4 years in a juvenile prison working with offenders and the rest in public schools. It is all state employment however. I have worked and continue to work with the most extreme people on the planet. To be a good teacher you need the centeredness of a Zen monk. A good teacher strives to deal with dysfunction and maladaptive behavior in a way that never damages the divinity of the person. When that teachable moment comes where they show adaptive life supporting behavior I try to never remember all the dysfunction and respond instantly spontaneously affirming the person.They must know through your walk your talk your silence your breath that you always affirm their divinity and correct only behavior. I go about my work each day and never hold back. I have a hard job. I come home wiped out and always have magnificent meditations. That is what I do. Steve A rare, sane voice - thanks for posting this. See the job, do the job, stay out of misery. - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling For Fun And Profit (objective reality vs. belief/subjective experie
There is hardly anything objectionable to you answer Barry.There is really nothing to disagree with here, except maybe the dichotomy it represents, that is between 'fact' and 'belief'. If the facts are the things-in-themselves, as they are, they are always related to us through a layer of subjectivity. I other words, about things in the world, we only know what we perceive of them, and how we perceive them, and yet we almost always take this perception to be the object itself. The other thing is INTENT. Beliefs in and of themselves are not facts, but they become facts once you act upon them. The terrorists who flew the planes of 911 into the towers were acting out of the faith that they would be rewarded in heaven by 72 virgins, a religious claim unprovable, but the consequences of their belief was the death nof thousands of people immediately and through the wars that followed. If you look at this, you will see that all of human history is based on beliefs, not on facts, but it creates facts. Alexander the great wanted to see the end of the world, as the greeks believed there would be an abyss, and he discovered India. Wouldn't he have believed so, he would have not set out to go there. Christians believe that doing good works will be rewarded in heaven and do many humanitarian acts due to this belief. What they do would be impossible to do, if they wouldn't have their belief. There is even one more implication in this. Maybe one should make a distinction between belief and faith. One, belief, could be unconscious, something we think is true. In most cases, we don't really know about the scientific backgrounds, and have simply opinions about things we heard and believe them to be scientific facts. These are beliefs too. Other things, like a religion, we may consciously choose. We may choose to believe in karma, knowing very well that there is no proof, while in the former example you may think there is proof and there is none. You may think its a fact, and its a mere belief. In the second example, when you consciously choose a faith there is an element if intent, of choice, which I think is a force in itself. And its conscious, while the other is unconscious. I just returned from a country of beliefs, of multiple religious creeds, where religion meets you everywhere in the most superstitious and cross forms, as well as in highly sophisticated and philosophic forms. If I go into a Dargah, a sort of a mosque, a sufi sanctuary, I feel the vibration there, of the people who pray there or repeat mantras. In Madras, in a side road, in a small and tiny room, in which just two or maximum three people could sit, I just met a sort of a 'mad saint', and Avadhuta, supposedly 110 years old, who is just sitting there and babbling. He had a great vibration. On the wall there was hanging a poster, displaying his picture together with the the symbols of Christianity and Islam. He had a sore leg, so I left some money, so they could buy him medicine. I asked somebody what he is actually 'saying', but people said its hard to make out. So we live by our experiences of life, and the 'hard facts' of life, which are just facts covered by a fog of subjectivity, of which we don't know how thick it really is. About attachment: I agree with you, that it is there on both sides. But except walking on the spiritual path, there is just nothing you can do about it. We are attached inevitably. Even enlighteneds are attached, just to a much lesser degree (so people say they are not attached, yet there is Lejavidya..) If you are not attached, you are not in this world. We have to accept that we are attached, and acknowledging it and becoming aware of it is maybe the first step out of it. But here will be always some attachment, so what? You are attached, its okay. Maybe you are attached to the notion of non-attachment. Like this anectode: Gandhi writes to Sri Aurobindo: I hear you are still attached to smoking. Aurobindo answeres: I hear you are attached to non-smoking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael soulchild@ wrote: TomT: Any belief is just another addiction or you can use the word attachment if you like the sweeter truth. Tom No, believe is a force that makes you do things or not do things. Its actually subjective reality. You can try to prove objective reality if you believe in it. Good luck! ;-) I think the larger issue, Michael, is that NEITHER objective reality nor subjective reality (belief) are provable. However, it is clearly possible to become ATTACHED to either, and in equal measures. It seems to me that attachment to subjective reality or belief to the point of dismissing objective reality is JUST as dangerous, and JUST as illusory, as attachment to objective reality to the point of dismissing subjective reality and belief. Having faith in one's subjective beliefs is cool. Having
[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling For Fun And Profit (objective reality vs. belief/subjective experie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, juggling two balls is a lot more fun and entertaining than juggling only one. :-) Not everybody's choice though. I mean, be tolerant. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Interesting claim from Taittiriiya saMhitaa?
a: = aa (long 'a') L = (here:) l-sound with anusvaara, i.e. nasalization? devá:sh chándobhir imá:L loká:n anapajayyám abhy ajayan (attempt at sandhi-vigraha: devaaH | chandobhiH | imaan | lokaan | anapajayyam | abhi | ajayan ) Macdonell's translation: The gods (unconquerally = ) irrevocably conquered these worlds by means of the metres. And again: The gods (devaaH: nominative plural, subject) irrevocably (an- apajayyam: accusative used adverbially) conquered (abhi + ajayan: compound[?] verb, imperfect tense[?], predicate) these (imaan: accusative plural, adjective attribute for[?] the object 'lokaan') worlds (lokaan: accusative plural, object) by means of the metres (chando-bhiH: instrumental plural, adverbial).
[FairfieldLife] TMmovement re-starts
Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, We are delighted to announce that Raja Hagelin's 12-part videotaped conference series (on the scientific discovery of the Unified Field and its practical applications in every area of society to eradicate such intractable problems as violence, disease, and poverty) that originally started on the February 4 will recommence on Monday, March 3. Full details are below. You may recall that at the beginning of this month Dr. Bevan Morris reminded us that as Maharishi went into silence in January, he expressed a deep desire that everyone see these talks again and again: this is the knowledge Maharishi wanted everyone to have at this time. Dr. Morris also asked that we invite our meditating and non-meditating friends and colleagues to hear the lectures as well. We therefore hope that you, your friends, and your colleagues will be able to attend as many of these tapes as possible. Jai Guru Dev Wally and Alex De Vasier Maharishi Invincibility Center of Fairfield Telephone: 472-1174 and Mac Muehlman and Cynthia Parker Maharishi Invincibility Center of Maharishi Vedic City Telephone: 472-8625 TOPICS AND DATES · Health - Monday, March 3 · Architecture - Tuesday, March 4 · Agriculture - Wednesday, March 5 · Trade Commerce - Thursday, March 6 · Defense - Friday, March 7 · Science Technology - Saturday, March 8 · Communication - Sunday, March 9 · Religion and Culture - Monday, March 10 · Administration - Tuesday, March 11 · Law and Order - Wednesday, March 12 · Finance and Planning - Thursday, March 13 · Education - Friday, March 14 (This is a repeat of the tape that was shown February 4) TIMES 8:00 p.m. LOCATIONS · Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators - Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome or Headley Hall, Maharishi Vedic City. Those with program badges, please show them at the door.) · Non-meditators, please call 472-1174 to arrange a private viewing. ADMISSION · The general cost of admission will be $10 per lecture. · M.U.M. and MSAE faculty, administrators, and students, and Invincible American Assembly participants on Settle Foundation scholarships may wish to make an optional donation of up to $10 per lecture. CONTENT OF LECTURE SERIES The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most powerful level of Nature's functioning and the source of the infinite creativity and intelligence within every individual and displayed throughout the universe. Dr. Hagelin, who conducted pioneering research at the European Center for Particle Physics and the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, will present the scientific discovery of the Unified Field and its practical applications in every area of society to eradicate such intractable problems as violence, disease and poverty. Dr. Hagelin will also reveal how these same technologies of the Unified Field, which include the Transcendental Meditation program of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, can promote enlightenment for every individual and raise every nation to peace and invincibility. Dr. Hagelin currently serves as Executive Director of the International Center for Invincible Defense in New York City; International Director of the Global Union of Scientists for Peace; President of Maharishi Central University in Kansas; Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace; and Raja of Invincible America. For more information, please visit http://www.america.unifiedfieldconferences.org/
[FairfieldLife] Indebted to MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, itsstevemartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: never was, brave enough or foolish enough which ever you prefer,to become a pauper for TM. I just do it and pay my own way ...When I was out at MUM this past summer I was astonished at how many people are seekers and destitute. Post funeral now, i have been asking around as i see folks here, So,...you staying?. Some saying they will go if they get a real job. There is a lot of debt. That is not uncommon. When from inside they came up with the idea of re-cerifying the TMmovement, that released a lot of the old TMmovement from it. I am hearing again this kind of release of obligation now as i talk with folks here. Sort of like as MMY said in the end that his work was finished, there seems a release again in the community. So it is, -Doug in FF I am public school teacher in NC. This is my 31st year teaching. I never was, brave enough or foolish enough which ever you prefer,to become a pauper for TM. I just do it and pay my own way. I just have never taken many extravagant vacations. I have payed for my 2 kids to go through college. They don't owe a dime. I have a nice house. When I was out at MUM this past summer I was astonished at how many people are seekers and destitute. I never put my eggs all in one basket. If I get to retirement age( I am 55) and am not enlighted, (he he I am not holding my breath, I never think of the goal.), well I will have my ignorance along with retirement and assets. Just busy working for the man. Keeping on meditating. My field is special education by the way. I have spent 10 years working with severely and profoundly disabled people in a state institution. I have 4 years in a juvenile prison working with offenders and the rest in public schools. It is all state employment however. I have worked and continue to work with the most extreme people on the planet. To be a good teacher you need the centeredness of a Zen monk. A good teacher strives to deal with dysfunction and maladaptive behavior in a way that never damages the divinity of the person. When that teachable moment comes where they show adaptive life supporting behavior I try to never remember all the dysfunction and respond instantly spontaneously affirming the person.They must know through your walk your talk your silence your breath that you always affirm their divinity and correct only behavior. I go about my work each day and never hold back. I have a hard job. I come home wiped out and always have magnificent meditations. That is what I do. Steve --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Okay now I see why you asked the rather odd question about being able to afford the trip to India since you didn't have to pay for your Hong Kong trip. Not one of the TM paupers are you? :) That stopped for me once I quit TM and moved on (using mantras with OM in them too). The trip other than the airline tick was a tour and inexpensive. The airline ticket was expensive as I booked late and the only good connections I could come up with was business class at $3K. Since I had a good well paying gig I booked that and it was a leisurely flight almost feeling like a stuffed goose when I left the plane they keep giving you so much food on that class. I also had a problem booking a hotel before the tour started and wound up spending one night in the honeymoon suite at the Juhu Beach Holiday Inn in Bombay for $200. This room would have been $2000 in the US. The other luxury I afforded myself for the trip was a $3500 mini-DV camera Sony's first small camera which was really inconspicuous a great for the trip. I shot 4 hours of video. itsstevemartin wrote: I stayed in the Kowloon Hotel. I would get up early in the morning and walk to the park about half a dozen block away before light and there would be hundreds of people old and young practicing Ta chi with swords fans doing there individual things and in groups. My wife and I would have high tea at The Pennisula across the street listening to live piano classical the rooms wrapped in marble. A complete culture smash between old and new. Hey the people spoke better English than I did. My wife won the trip on Turner Broadcasting watching an old William Holden movie The world of Susie Wong. She entered on line a contest they were having and we won grand prize 7 days 5 night experiences paid in Hong Kong. They even paid for a car and driver for 2 days to drive us around the movie sites where they filmed the movie. Steve -
[FairfieldLife] spiritualism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: So, Ben Crème `channels' this? Is pretty heady. How does it jive, with that stern warning in the Yoga Sutras? Just wondering. The Yogi should not feel allured or flattered by the overtures of celestial beings for fear of evil again. - III-52 Patanjali Yoga Sutras Maitreya, the World Teacher, has not come alone, but with a group of wise Teachers who have long guided humanity from behind the scenes. They are returning to the everyday world to help us solve our most critical global problems. http://www.shareintl.org Is this type of alluring spiritualism on the rise in recent times? Evidently there are several voices being heard by different people. Just wondering. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The process is called overshadowing - the result of long training in attunement to his Master. It has nothing to do with channeling. From what I understand 36 Masters are to be with Maitreya, 12 have already incarnated. The Master Jesus from Nazareth is one of them. Brahmananda Saraswathi is currently not in incarnation, according to my information. Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. What is the difference? Are they different on a continum or entirely different? This overshadowing or 'channeling'. Invoking disembodied beings one way or another, just different frequencies of praying or communication? Just wondering. -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I admit, the sectarianism of religions in general is what exasperates me and always makes me lose faith and heart. I have just about given up hope for humanity. Guru Dev reminded that with Paramatma [God] you get the whole thing the real thing. Guru Dev did not teach 'enlightenment without God'. In a small private group [circa late 70's] I once asked Charlie Lutes what the hell Maharishi was doing with the TMO these days. Charlie flat out said Maharishi has taken a left turn away from God. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: How come you guys seem so perfect
Hilarious! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek get about $8k/ post. Sal actually makes more at $4000 per post -- short, pithy, but more posts. Judy and Turq actually get a $25,000 bonus for each prolonged dog fight. Rick found that professional Dog Fighters, also Professional Cannibals, from East Borneo and the slums of Caracas, LOVE their stuff. The ad dollars Rick makes of those guys is phenomenal. Though Turq is fined $25/word for each post over 250 words -- the scientifically proven level at which most his posts (could) make their points. Curtis would make more except that he insists on posting while nude. Kind of a sharp and shocking contrast to the grandeur and magnificence of his words and ideas. If not for that one fan club -- the Singapore Girls Jr High Snerfettes, the nakedness would be a total bummer. Jim get an extra stipend -- because he has the huge extra expense of all those drugs and hallucinagins he has to take to gain insight for his posts. Sort of the Hunter Thompson of FFL. Peter demanded $1mil per post, because thats what he personally thought they were worth. I think Rick showed him the polling numbers and he backed off. Tom makes a lot, but Rick is perplexed at how to send him the checks to Heaven. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Don't any of you have problems? What about financial troubles? My whole life I have never had two dimes. Because Rick pays us of course. He didn't send you a contract? You mean you are actually writing posts here for free? Mon Dieu. No wonder you have money problems.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:13 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I admit, the sectarianism of religions in general is what exasperates me and always makes me lose faith and heart. I have just about given up hope for humanity. Guru Dev reminded that with Paramatma [God] you get the whole thing the real thing. Guru Dev did not teach 'enlightenment without God'. In a small private group [circa late 70's] I once asked Charlie Lutes what the hell Maharishi was doing with the TMO these days. Charlie flat out said Maharishi has taken a left turn away from God. Just because SBS believed in Enlightenment with God, doesn't necessarily mean he did not believe in Enlightenment without God. In his public teaching he seemed to gear his teachings towards his audience. Several of the traditional Hindu darshanas are atheistic after all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:13 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Yes, I admit, the sectarianism of religions in general is what exasperates me and always makes me lose faith and heart. I have just about given up hope for humanity. Guru Dev reminded that with Paramatma [God] you get the whole thing the real thing. Guru Dev did not teach 'enlightenment without God'. In a small private group [circa late 70's] I once asked Charlie Lutes what the hell Maharishi was doing with the TMO these days. Charlie flat out said Maharishi has taken a left turn away from God. Just because SBS believed in Enlightenment with God, doesn't necessarily mean he did not believe in Enlightenment without God. In his public teaching he seemed to gear his teachings towards his audience. Several of the traditional Hindu darshanas are atheistic after all. It never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss Paramatma [God] - as if somehow they think they are superior and can ignore and bypass that central Divinity and those dharmic values in their own lives with impunity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti in Fairfield
Turq writes: paste ...and you *definitely* had the feeling that you were tapped into something bigger. Like maybe enlightenment, or higher states of consciousness. Something. Intellectually you knew that the something bigger was out there. Your intuition told you the same thing. ... ...And then you run into someone who not only has realized that something bigger, but who can demo it in such a way that YOU CAN FEEL IT TOO. The teacher or guru or whatever meditates so well that sitting with them gives you a taste of it. Isn't that cool? Isn't that why most of us signed on with the teachers and gurus we've spent time with? Wasn't that giving you a taste of it inspiring? And isn't it equally amazing when you run into a teacher or guru who *doesn't* inspire, who can't get it up, charisma-wise? It doesn't matter how good their rap is; it doesn't matter how cheap or expensive the techniques they're touting are; it doesn't matter how much or how little research they've got behind them to try to sell what they're selling. The bottom line is if they don't have that ability to give you a taste of it, not very many people will ever want to be around them. end paste Doug writing, Yes, Turq has a way of saying a similar thing to this Shakti analysis of the progression of American Spirituality in probing a discernment of charisma. Distiction of a charisma of people or groups and a spiritual experience of spiritual energy, shakti. So i drag and paste it here in to this thread. His defining charisma thread comes from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/167572 It is a good line of thot that is probably useful for criticism in looking at what has gone on in FF and placing it. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: through American History. The story often seems to turn on the shakti of the spiritual practice and the character of the founder-teacher how quick things become doctrinal either rigid, stale or authoritarian. Blake has a good point in making the observation though. People everywhere have a pretty good sense of whether there is shakti and they will walk on away pretty quick whence shakti drops out of a group. It is a common sense. That becomes a lesson in history when you look at it that way. 159652 -Doug in FF Doug writing: Watching people here with the different spiritual groups, there is a shakti or a spiritual energy meter that people do run for themselves. Is the experience in FF that people have of their own experience with it. They are practiced at metering shakti. They meter it rate it. The Shakti meter, a different meter from the BS meter. FF folks after 20, 30 and 40 years of spiritual practice(s) have their own experience with it and they certainly do meter shakti accordingly. Between the different venues available they definitely flow back and forth depending on the spiritual experience. It is the collective FF experience there is a lot of cultivated shakti in Fairfield. If there is not shakti in a venue then folks go on to the next one here where the spiritual energy is better. It is just the experience here. Fairfield Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/159929 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: mailander111@ wrote: I think I overstated Blake's point. It often happens that movements become rigid and doctrinal, as indeed happened with both the Shakers and some sects of Quakers as well. Angela, that is okay. Yet, Blake's point does make for a good avenue in comparison criticism about succession in spiritual practice movements.A lot has happened after Blake for comparison. According to William Blake, movements always end like this-- stale, authoritarian, rigid. Of course this is interesting relevant if only because the TMmovement we live with here has an aged founder. Nothing new under the sun, as they say. Succession in spiritual movements ain't a new thing. Is interesting and may be useful to look at how others have weathered it. Towards that end I spent a week last summer living inside an old Shaker community studying their experience particularly with succession. Like with the Quakers, their story of succession, splintering and separation is so well written about and recorded by first hand voices. Others too through Am. History. The story often seems to turn on the shakti of the spiritual practice and the character of the founder-teacher how quick things become doctrinal either rigid, stale or authoritarian. Blake has a good point in making the observation though. People everywhere have a pretty good sense of whether there is shakti and they will walk on pretty quick whence shakti drops out of a group. It is a common sense. That becomes a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:50 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:13 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Yes, I admit, the sectarianism of religions in general is what exasperates me and always makes me lose faith and heart. I have just about given up hope for humanity. Guru Dev reminded that with Paramatma [God] you get the whole thing the real thing. Guru Dev did not teach 'enlightenment without God'. In a small private group [circa late 70's] I once asked Charlie Lutes what the hell Maharishi was doing with the TMO these days. Charlie flat out said Maharishi has taken a left turn away from God. Just because SBS believed in Enlightenment with God, doesn't necessarily mean he did not believe in Enlightenment without God. In his public teaching he seemed to gear his teachings towards his audience. Several of the traditional Hindu darshanas are atheistic after all. It never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss Paramatma [God] - as if somehow they think they are superior and can ignore and bypass that central Divinity and those dharmic values in their own lives with impunity. Then is suspect you will continue to be amazed. ;-) It never ceases to amaze me how many people are attached to the god delusion. It's the most popular security blanket on earth...billions served!
[FairfieldLife] 1 in every 99 Americans behind bars
1 in every 99 Americans behind bars ~~~ The state's crime rate had increased only about 3% in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600%. ~~~ USA TODAY, February 28, 2008 http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-02-28-prison-population_N.htm NEW YORK (AP) For the first time in history, more than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report tracking the surge in inmate population and urging states to rein in corrections costs with alternative sentencing programs. The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said. Using updated state-by-state data, the report said 2,319,258 adults were held in U.S. prisons or jails at the start of 2008 one out of every 99.1 adults, and more than any other country in the world. The steadily growing inmate population is saddling cash-strapped states with soaring costs they can ill afford and failing to have a clear impact either on recidivism or overall crime, said the report. Susan Urahn, managing director of the Pew Center on the States, said budget woes are prompting officials in many states to consider new, cost-saving corrections policies that might have been shunned in the recent past for fear of appearing soft in crime. We're seeing more and more states being creative because of tight budgets, she said in an interview. They want to be tough on crime, they want to be a law-and-order state but they also want to save money, and they want to be effective. The report cited Kansas and Texas as states which have acted decisively to slow the growth of their inmate population. Their actions include greater use of community supervision for low-risk offenders and employing sanctions other than re-imprisonment for ex-offenders who commit technical violations of parole and probation rules. The new approach, born of bipartisan leadership, is allowing the two states to ensure they have enough prison beds for violent offenders while helping less dangerous lawbreakers become productive, taxpaying citizens, the report said. According to the report, the inmate population increased last year in 36 states and the federal prison system. The largest percentage increase 12% was in Kentucky, where Gov. Steve Beshear highlighted the cost of corrections in his budget speech last month. He noted that the state's crime rate had increased only about 3% in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600%. The Pew report was compiled by the Center on the State's Public Safety Performance Project, which is working directly with 13 states on developing programs to divert offenders from prison without jeopardizing public safety. For all the money spent on corrections today, there hasn't been a clear and convincing return for public safety, said the project's director, Adam Gelb. More and more states are beginning to rethink their reliance on prisons for lower-level offenders and finding strategies that are tough on crime without being so tough on taxpayers. The report said prison growth and higher incarceration rates do not reflect a parallel increase in crime or in the nation's overall population. Instead, it said, more people are behind bars mainly because of tough sentencing measures, such as three-strikes laws, that result in longer prison stays. For some groups, the incarceration numbers are especially startling, the report said. While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine. The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails a total 2,319,258 out of almost 230 million American adults. The report said the United States is the world's incarceration leader, far ahead of more populous China with 1.5 million people behind bars. It said the U.S. also is the leader in inmates per capita (750 per 100,000 people), ahead of Russia (628 per 100,000) and other former Soviet bloc nations which make up the rest of the Top 10.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
In a small private group [circa late 70's] I once asked Charlie Lutes what the hell Maharishi was doing with the TMO these days. Charlie flat out said Maharishi has taken a left turn away from God. No offense to anyone, but I do not 'believe' in God in the first place. And secondly I do not believe in Maharishi and especially that pundit Charlie Lutes whom I saw probably 100 times during my first years in TM. I found him about as supercilious as string cheese.
[FairfieldLife] Re: spiritualism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: So, Ben Crème `channels' this? Is pretty heady. How does it jive, with that stern warning in the Yoga Sutras? Just wondering. The Yogi should not feel allured or flattered by the overtures of celestial beings for fear of evil again. - III-52 Patanjali Yoga Sutras Maitreya, the World Teacher, has not come alone, but with a group of wise Teachers who have long guided humanity from behind the scenes. They are returning to the everyday world to help us solve our most critical global problems. http://www.shareintl.org Is this type of alluring spiritualism on the rise in recent times? Evidently there are several voices being heard by different people. Just wondering. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: The process is called overshadowing - the result of long training in attunement to his Master. It has nothing to do with channeling. From what I understand 36 Masters are to be with Maitreya, 12 have already incarnated. The Master Jesus from Nazareth is one of them. Brahmananda Saraswathi is currently not in incarnation, according to my information. Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. What is the difference? Are they different on a continum or entirely different? This overshadowing or 'channeling'. Invoking disembodied beings one way or another, just different frequencies of praying or communication? Just wondering. -Doug in FF His Master is a yogi of high caliber, and may or may not be disembodied. It is entierly different as it does not go against the free will of the subject in any way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
It never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss Paramatma [God] - as if somehow they think they are superior and can ignore and bypass that central Divinity and those dharmic values in their own lives with impunity. -It never ceases to amaze me how some people are not touched by the constant tragedy of all those around them, and they merely shrug it off like it's God's will. What then isn't? And if God's will includes such horror then God be damned. God has little value. You can't even cook an egg with it. Worshipping God is like worshipping President Bush. For all the value in ones life. Or like a flea worshipping a dog. Pointless. In fact the flea which makes the most noise gets the paw.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 1 in every 99 Americans behind bars
I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. But now I know it was karma. - Original Message - From: do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 1 in every 99 Americans behind bars 1 in every 99 Americans behind bars ~~~ The state's crime rate had increased only about 3% in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600%. ~~~ USA TODAY, February 28, 2008 http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-02-28-prison-population_N.htm NEW YORK (AP) - For the first time in history, more than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report tracking the surge in inmate population and urging states to rein in corrections costs with alternative sentencing programs. The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said. Using updated state-by-state data, the report said 2,319,258 adults were held in U.S. prisons or jails at the start of 2008 - one out of every 99.1 adults, and more than any other country in the world. The steadily growing inmate population is saddling cash-strapped states with soaring costs they can ill afford and failing to have a clear impact either on recidivism or overall crime, said the report. Susan Urahn, managing director of the Pew Center on the States, said budget woes are prompting officials in many states to consider new, cost-saving corrections policies that might have been shunned in the recent past for fear of appearing soft in crime. We're seeing more and more states being creative because of tight budgets, she said in an interview. They want to be tough on crime, they want to be a law-and-order state - but they also want to save money, and they want to be effective. The report cited Kansas and Texas as states which have acted decisively to slow the growth of their inmate population. Their actions include greater use of community supervision for low-risk offenders and employing sanctions other than re-imprisonment for ex-offenders who commit technical violations of parole and probation rules. The new approach, born of bipartisan leadership, is allowing the two states to ensure they have enough prison beds for violent offenders while helping less dangerous lawbreakers become productive, taxpaying citizens, the report said. According to the report, the inmate population increased last year in 36 states and the federal prison system. The largest percentage increase - 12% - was in Kentucky, where Gov. Steve Beshear highlighted the cost of corrections in his budget speech last month. He noted that the state's crime rate had increased only about 3% in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600%. The Pew report was compiled by the Center on the State's Public Safety Performance Project, which is working directly with 13 states on developing programs to divert offenders from prison without jeopardizing public safety. For all the money spent on corrections today, there hasn't been a clear and convincing return for public safety, said the project's director, Adam Gelb. More and more states are beginning to rethink their reliance on prisons for lower-level offenders and finding strategies that are tough on crime without being so tough on taxpayers. The report said prison growth and higher incarceration rates do not reflect a parallel increase in crime or in the nation's overall population. Instead, it said, more people are behind bars mainly because of tough sentencing measures, such as three-strikes laws, that result in longer prison stays. For some groups, the incarceration numbers are especially startling, the report said. While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine. The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails - a total 2,319,258 out of almost 230 million American adults. The report said the United States is the world's incarceration leader, far ahead of more populous China with 1.5 million people behind bars. It said the U.S. also is the leader in inmates per capita (750 per 100,000 people), ahead of Russia (628 per 100,000) and other former Soviet bloc nations which make up the rest of the Top 10. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:50 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:13 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Yes, I admit, the sectarianism of religions in general is what exasperates me and always makes me lose faith and heart. I have just about given up hope for humanity. Guru Dev reminded that with Paramatma [God] you get the whole thing the real thing. Guru Dev did not teach 'enlightenment without God'. In a small private group [circa late 70's] I once asked Charlie Lutes what the hell Maharishi was doing with the TMO these days. Charlie flat out said Maharishi has taken a left turn away from God. Just because SBS believed in Enlightenment with God, doesn't necessarily mean he did not believe in Enlightenment without God. In his public teaching he seemed to gear his teachings towards his audience. Several of the traditional Hindu darshanas are atheistic after all. It never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss Paramatma [God] - as if somehow they think they are superior and can ignore and bypass that central Divinity and those dharmic values in their own lives with impunity. Then is suspect you will continue to be amazed. ;-) It never ceases to amaze me how many people are attached to the god delusion. It's the most popular security blanket on earth...billions served! From Guru Dev [SBS]: The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. = 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan [God] becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] Only by contact with Paramatma (God, the Supreme Self) can there be true happiness for the jiva (the individual soul) since in that is the highest happiness. If one has something, the very same one can give to another. To demand any money from a pauper would really be a folly then. Wealth of that kind can only be gained by going to a mass of wealth, only from a treasury of knowledge can knowledge be gained, that kind of treasure-house of happiness / form of happiness is who Bhagavan (the supreme Being) is, really only from them can happiness be gained. In worldly existence devotees of Bhagavan are left to be vessels of grace and nobody else is happy. Only those devotees who desire spiritual contemplation of Paramatma have an experience of happiness - otherwise to all, little-by-little only suffering slowly is lived. In worldly existence nobody is found to be happy. If someone has a lack of something they regard someone who has that as the way to happiness. But the one who has, does not see regard themselves as happy. He who has no son regards the one with sons as happy, but from the son how much happiness is there, ask this of any with sons. It is already known, in truth in anything else earthly and material there is no happiness. The form of happiness then is the form of sachchidananda (truth, consciousness, bliss) is really Paramatma and from coming in contact with that the jiva can become happy and there is no other way to be happy. Actually, Paramatma is like a general merchant in whose place there is no deficiency of any articles of happiness. But in order to gain his grace regular effort is required, not only some reading of the greatness of Paramatma. By studying an catalogue how can you become wealthy? To wish for happiness from worldly people is a mistake. Good, how can someone who is himself unhappy make another happy? In worldly life those who are seen as happy, that is relative happiness. By any one thing someone is happy then someone is happy in another part. If you are to ask for any happiness then beg from this place, from wherever all happiness can be gained. Remember this that whoever bows in the direction of Paramatma the very same can obtain happiness and peace in worldly existence, otherwise not. To search for happiness in worldly existence is similar to quenching one's thirst by
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss Paramatma [God] - as if somehow they think they are superior and can ignore and bypass that central Divinity and those dharmic values in their own lives with impunity. -It never ceases to amaze me how some people are not touched by the constant tragedy of all those around them, and they merely shrug it off like it's God's will. What then isn't? And if God's will includes such horror then God be damned. Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** .
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now ('Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain= War Forever?')
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attribute this to the collective intelligence and general spiritual maturity of its participants. Rick, are you smoking hash again? ;-) Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] TMmovement re-starts
Chug, chug, chug...sputter...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. As you sow, so shall you reap. Either one takes responsibility for one's *own* karma, or one doesn't take responsibility and tries to blame someone besides himself for the pain. The idea is to do good stuff so you don't suffer the consequences of doing 'bad stuff'. And how do you know what 'good stuff' is? ...Do you have to be told?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pots of gold at the end of rainbows (Intelligent stuff)
Hagen, Thanks for your thoughts -- you have a very nice attitude of doing the right thing and keeping the pressure on those who would thwart the world for a dollar. I bow to your longer-timeline view -- like that of the tortoise who eventually beats the hare, and while running that race, I see you spontaneously avoiding the anger, resentment, etc. See the job, do the job, forget the misery -- thanks for this modeling. I sure could use more of such, because when I see this poor world filled with folks who face lives that they know and have no hope that their lives will improve beyond sheer brute existence, I can get into a dark negativity. Let us know when you get that Web site going. By the way, I like your broken English. You get your points across, true communication, but sometimes you use expressions that I would never have suspected could have that power, yet, they do. It's entertaining in that it presents as a kind of free swinging poetry. Nice! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Edg, for some unknown reason after some days I went through my spam-mails thoroughly and found your early reply from Feb.19 just by chance. So apart from this luck I have no idea, why some of the Fairfield-mails end up there and others not. I am basically agreeing to what you say about the fate of inventions and the difficulty to get them launched into the market. But is this the pivotal criteria for their remarkableness ? Was this not exactly the reason why a Schauberger got supressed, because he was not fitting into the market theory of the trend of his time. Just so, Viktor Schauberger, Tesla and Mendel -- examples of true giants of thought -- they and thousands upon thousands of pretty good thinkers with great ideas have had to find it in themselves to wear a lot of different hats in order to get their babies all growd up. Most fail. Even Tesla who was totally funded and had really insanely great ideas hit the walls of ignorance and lack of imagination in the worldthat and corporate evil doers who are brigands of the darkest sort. For that reason it is good to remind to their great ideas from time to time. My dream of a Veda-Land for example (not that kind of type, once having been designed as a giant leisure time park) is an assembly of people, who would like to live their dreams in an orderly and socially compatible manner. Once the group has been growing up to the size of about 10,000 (the critical mass), it not only in the position to create the desired harmonious influence due to group programs, but in case its ideas do not get adopted by the surroundings (immediately), it at least will be able and have enough space to apply the same within its own campus or facilities. By this neither the individual nor the group as such will stand under pressure to fasten up in order to cope with the economic needs. This group should show independence exactly in the very sense of the visions of those ingenious minds. Very soon I want to start with a website, advertising for such an idea. Call me a dreamer but I am not the only one and I have not much more time in this life left to wait until others will be possibly doing it. (Do not get impressed too much by your own fears !) As for the gossip that there's a 500 miles/gallon carburettor and a nylon stocking that never runs, etc., I believe it. Given that money is the bottom line, what wouldn't BigOil do to shelve that carburettor? Killing someone would be nothing to such a company -- a company that is willing to pollute all of Alaska for instance -- and then, stealing all the research papers (Tesla) etc. would just be cleaning up the crime scene. No problmo for a sociopathic corporation. You bring it to the point. That is the reason why constant clarification is necessary. It has to become so enervating for them, that they will begin to give up and let the dam break. For every Tesla there's HUNDREDS of goofyass obsessive types who will waste your time with the wackiest concepts. Google perpetual motion machines, or UFO technology being used by US government, or 9-11 Inside job, and behold the legions of true believers who can enthrall the lower half of the bell curve like it was a lynch mob outside a jailhouse holding a child's killer. I've been worked into many such a lather myself. Are you aware, that there had been a study, launchend by the US-Government itself, which was supposed to find out, what the tendencies of thought in society were ? Surprisingly three main tendencies got found, so to say the three gunas of society: a) the all-time yestereves, stating, they wished all came back to the good old times (30%) b) the technocrats, who blindly believe in technical progress (40% and c) the alternatives, who seem to have creative up to weird imaginations of future. The study found out that the last group was the worst organized one, consisting of many
Re: [FairfieldLife] TMmovement re-starts
Follow the Shakti. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TMmovement re-starts Chug, chug, chug...sputter... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. As you sow, so shall you reap. Either one takes responsibility for one's *own* karma, or one doesn't take responsibility and tries to blame someone besides himself for the pain. The idea is to do good stuff so you don't suffer the consequences of doing 'bad stuff'. And how do you know what 'good stuff' is? ...Do you have to be told? Why the value judgements good and bad? You know what you like -- and presumably are doing like stuff so that you get what you want. You (A) may like money so you may be do a lot of money creating things. Someone else(B) may like studying philosophy so they set up time and conditions to do more of that. (A) may hate philosophy and (B) may have little desire for money. Which is good and which is bad? Philosophy returning to A is bad in his eyes (no, no not more kant!) and its good in B's eyes (Ah, I have all weekend to read Sarte). Karma has nothing to do with good and bad, or value judgements. It has everything to do with cause and effect. Do A get a. Do B get b. Your choice. And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as to create nothing in return.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now ('Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain= War Forever?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attribute this to the collective intelligence and general spiritual maturity of its participants. Rick, are you smoking hash again? ;-) Rumor has it he never stopped. Chillum Ric and his magic pipe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. You gotta pray to Jesus, Dude! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. As you sow, so shall you reap. Either one takes responsibility for one's *own* karma, or one doesn't take responsibility and tries to blame someone besides himself for the pain. The idea is to do good stuff so you don't suffer the consequences of doing 'bad stuff'. And how do you know what 'good stuff' is? ...Do you have to be told? Why the value judgements good and bad? You know what you like -- and presumably are doing like stuff so that you get what you want. You (A) may like money so you may be do a lot of money creating things. Someone else(B) may like studying philosophy so they set up time and conditions to do more of that. (A) may hate philosophy and (B) may have little desire for money. Which is good and which is bad? Philosophy returning to A is bad in his eyes (no, no not more kant!) and its good in B's eyes (Ah, I have all weekend to read Sarte). Karma has nothing to do with good and bad, or value judgements. It has everything to do with cause and effect. Do A get a. Do B get b. Your choice. And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as to create nothing in return. Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. As you sow, so shall you reap. Either one takes responsibility for one's *own* karma, or one doesn't take responsibility and tries to blame someone besides himself for the pain. The idea is to do good stuff so you don't suffer the consequences of doing 'bad stuff'. And how do you know what 'good stuff' is? ...Do you have to be told? Why the value judgements good and bad? You know what you like -- and presumably are doing like stuff so that you get what you want. You (A) may like money so you may be do a lot of money creating things. Someone else(B) may like studying philosophy so they set up time and conditions to do more of that. (A) may hate philosophy and (B) may have little desire for money. Which is good and which is bad? Philosophy returning to A is bad in his eyes (no, no not more kant!) and its good in B's eyes (Ah, I have all weekend to read Sarte). Karma has nothing to do with good and bad, or value judgements. It has everything to do with cause and effect. Do A get a. Do B get b. Your choice. And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as to create nothing in return. Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me. And then there is Grace which transcends cause and effect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. You gotta pray to Jesus, Dude! Which one?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as to create nothing in return. Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me. I know it seems obvious to you -- which is always a danger sign, IMO. Seems obvious can stem from taking things on faith. You don't seem to be able to get outside your box by even acknowledging that the same thing may cause one person joy and another suffering. Until you understand that, the walls of the box of blind faith may be remain high and mighty in your life. Well, apart from my own experience [not just belief, or faith], it apparently was obvious to Guru Dev as well: ~When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of Bhagavan [God]. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 9 of 108] A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. If you accept paramaatmaa [God] is all-powerful then how can you say afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can he not be and what can he not do? Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with qualities). The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] Only by contact with Paramatma (God, the Supreme Self) can there be true happiness for the jiva (the individual soul) since in that is the highest happiness. If one has something, the very same one can give to another. To demand any money from a pauper would really be a folly then. Wealth of that kind can only be gained by going to a mass of wealth, only from a treasury of knowledge can knowledge be gained, that kind of treasure-house of happiness / form of happiness is who Bhagavan (the supreme Being) is, really only from them can happiness be gained. In worldly existence devotees of Bhagavan are left to be vessels of grace and nobody else is happy. Only those devotees who desire spiritual contemplation of Paramatma have an experience of happiness - otherwise to all, little-by-little only suffering slowly is lived. In worldly existence nobody is found to be happy. If someone has a lack of something they regard someone who has that as the way to happiness. But the one who has, does not see regard themselves as happy. He who has no son regards the one with sons as happy, but from the son how much happiness is there, ask this of any with sons. It is already known, in truth in anything else earthly and material there is no happiness. The form of happiness then is the form of sachchidananda (truth, consciousness, bliss) is really Paramatma and from coming in contact with that the jiva can become happy and there is no other way to be happy. Actually, Paramatma is like a general merchant in whose place there is no deficiency of any articles of happiness. But in order to gain his grace regular effort is required, not only some reading of the greatness of Paramatma. By studying an catalogue how can you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karma has nothing to do with good and bad, or value judgements. It has everything to do with cause and effect. Do A get a. Do B get b. Your choice. And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as to create nothing in return. Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me. And then there is Grace which transcends cause and effect. Those are sweet words and I am sure heart felt. However, if something has no effect, then well, it has no effect. In that case it has absolutely no effect on life, consciousness or boundaries. Why that is of value to you is a mystery. I have experienced Grace, and in my life, it has had a huge effect. YMMV
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now ('Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain= War Forever?')
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Just bestowing largesse on the masses.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Purusha in India, David Shapiro
On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote: After almost 48 hours of buses, cars, cabs, planes and trains, 50 Purusha arrived at the Allahabad train station at midnight, early on the morning of February 11 and took powered vehicles to our Maharishi Ashram Um, it would be interesting to ask David or anyone else on Purusha whatever happened to that rocket ship that TM was supposed to be-- now they have to rely on powered vehicles getting them places? :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:24 AM, new.morning wrote: I have experienced Grace, and in my life, it has had a huge effect. YMMV This Grace chick sounds like a real slut. You might want to get some blood work dude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
Vaj wrote: Swami Rama's original text of the Mandukya Upanishad karika... http://www.box.net/shared/s6i1smlc0c According to S. Vidyasankar, gauDapAda is the first historically known author in the advaita vedAnta tradition, whose work is still available to us, namely gauDapAdIya kArikAs, an expository text on the mANDUkya upanishad. The kArikA of gauDapAdIyacharya is the first systematic treatise on vedAnta. Notes Vidyasankar: ...to the advaita school, all four prakaraNas are writings of a human author named gauDapAda, and are therefore not regarded as Sruti, even though the first prakaraNa is found interspersed with the sentences of the mANDUkya upanishad and ...it is clear that the GK has been written in the context of a vedAntic dialogue with various schools of mahAyAna buddhism, more prominently the yogAcAra and madhyamaka schools. gauDapAdIya: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/gaudapada.html Read more: Thread: gauDapAdIya kArikAs Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: A vedAntic dialogue with schools of mahAyAna buddhism. Author: Willytex Date: Dec 07, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/2f4g2x Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of conciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within conciousness (vimshAtika-Vrtti on kArikA 1, p. 114). Translation: 'A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy' by Chandrahar Sharma, M.A., D. Phil., D. Litt., LL.B., Shastri, Dept. of Phil., Benares Hindu U. Rider, 1960 Read more excerpts: Thread: dharmadAtu Subject: gauDapAdIya on the phenomenology of consciousness. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Dec 17, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/2f4g2x The Mandukhya Upanishad is the keystone in the arch of Shankara's Adwaita Vedanta. The scripture was made famous by Gaudapadacharya, the teacher of the teacher of Shankara. Gaudapada composed a famous Karika or commentary on Mundakhya, and Shankara composed a commentary on both, for our understanding. Thread: Seven States Subject: Maharishi's Ontology Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Author: Willytex Date: Jan 31 2005 http://tinyurl.com/2pznf8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Your own words: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. ***But now I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. As you sow, so shall you reap. Either one takes responsibility for one's *own* karma, or one doesn't take responsibility and tries to blame someone besides himself for the pain. The idea is to do good stuff so you don't suffer the consequences of doing 'bad stuff'. And how do you know what 'good stuff' is? ...Do you have to be told? Why the value judgements good and bad? You know what you like -- and presumably are doing like stuff so that you get what you want. You (A) may like money so you may be do a lot of money creating things. Someone else(B) may like studying philosophy so they set up time and conditions to do more of that. (A) may hate philosophy and (B) may have little desire for money. Which is good and which is bad? Philosophy returning to A is bad in his eyes (no, no not more kant!) and its good in B's eyes (Ah, I have all weekend to read Sarte). Karma has nothing to do with good and bad, or value judgements. It has everything to do with cause and effect. Do A get a. Do B get b. Your choice. And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as to create nothing in return. Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me. And then there is Grace which transcends cause and effect. Are you suggesting that that Grace *produces* dharmic behavior *without* the person *choosing* it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: I know it was karma*** . -Yeah, which includes death and horrible destruction and suffering. You gotta pray to Jesus, Dude! Which one? There's only One.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as to create nothing in return. Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me. I know it seems obvious to you -- which is always a danger sign, IMO. Seems obvious can stem from taking things on faith. You don't seem to be able to get outside your box by even acknowledging that the same thing may cause one person joy and another suffering. Until you understand that, the walls of the box of blind faith may be remain high and mighty in your life.
[FairfieldLife] Purusha in India, David Shapiro
From David Shaprio, on Purusha Dear friends, Maharishi's family, After almost 48 hours of buses, cars, cabs, planes and trains, 50 Purusha arrived at the Allahabad train station at midnight, early on the morning of February 11 and took powered vehicles to our Maharishi Ashram some 20 kilometers from the city, on the west side of Mother Ganges near the holy confluence of the Yamuna and Ganga rivers during a Holy Mela, annual festival to celebrate this confluence. As we arrived we left our baggage and walked to the SanskaraShala where Maharishi's body was wrapped in Silk and surrounded by an ocean of rose petals. Waiting in line, we each stepped up and paid respects to that embodiment of Totality, the Supreme Knower of Reality, Compassion Incarnate, Organizing Power Supreme, the Transfomer of this world from Kala Yuga to Sat Yuga. After some time we would each sit and meditate. For me, I sat down and opened my eyes after what seemed a few instants. It had been three hours. Few people were left in the hall, it being almost 3 am. So, I walked and found my luggage and a Purusha tent to stay in. The next day, we witnessed the ShankaraCharya perform the cremation ceremony. This performance, prescribed in all its details by the Shankaracharya with top pandits and jyotishis, gave each of us around the world another opportunity to be with the great One in his unfettered state, adjusting to the new relationship between us and Maharishi in his Mahasamadhi state. I was reminded of Maharishi's description of Guru Dev in Love and God. Maharishi essentially said that, with the dropping away of Guru Dev's body, He now reverberated in the hearts of his devotees as Brahmananada Bahmaleena. He who is eternal is now eternally free and always available in the hearts of the devotees, nourishing and guiding everything without restriction. Those who are anywhere in this world are close to him based upon their purity of nervous system, not based upon who sits where or even who says what or does what. To be in India or to be in Fairfield or anywhere is certainly no assurance of closeness of distance. So, we live the purity of life and aim for that Brahman consciousness, fully matured Unity Consciousness, Union with the Divine. Wishing you all-time connection with the Divine Grace of Maharishi, the abode of all the highest possibilities for life. Jai Guru Dev David No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TMmovement re-starts
Oh God! I can't imagine something like this. It must be so boring. Do they serve Ayur vedic popcorn? --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, We are delighted to announce that Raja Hagelin's 12-part videotaped conference series (on the scientific discovery of the Unified Field and its practical applications in every area of society to eradicate such intractable problems as violence, disease, and poverty) that originally started on the February 4 will recommence on Monday, March 3. Full details are below. You may recall that at the beginning of this month Dr. Bevan Morris reminded us that as Maharishi went into silence in January, he expressed a deep desire that everyone see these talks again and again: this is the knowledge Maharishi wanted everyone to have at this time. Dr. Morris also asked that we invite our meditating and non-meditating friends and colleagues to hear the lectures as well. We therefore hope that you, your friends, and your colleagues will be able to attend as many of these tapes as possible. Jai Guru Dev Wally and Alex De Vasier Maharishi Invincibility Center of Fairfield Telephone: 472-1174 and Mac Muehlman and Cynthia Parker Maharishi Invincibility Center of Maharishi Vedic City Telephone: 472-8625 TOPICS AND DATES · Health - Monday, March 3 · Architecture - Tuesday, March 4 · Agriculture - Wednesday, March 5 · Trade Commerce - Thursday, March 6 · Defense - Friday, March 7 · Science Technology - Saturday, March 8 · Communication - Sunday, March 9 · Religion and Culture - Monday, March 10 · Administration - Tuesday, March 11 · Law and Order - Wednesday, March 12 · Finance and Planning - Thursday, March 13 · Education - Friday, March 14 (This is a repeat of the tape that was shown February 4) TIMES 8:00 p.m. LOCATIONS · Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators - Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome or Headley Hall, Maharishi Vedic City. Those with program badges, please show them at the door.) · Non-meditators, please call 472-1174 to arrange a private viewing. ADMISSION · The general cost of admission will be $10 per lecture. · M.U.M. and MSAE faculty, administrators, and students, and Invincible American Assembly participants on Settle Foundation scholarships may wish to make an optional donation of up to $10 per lecture. CONTENT OF LECTURE SERIES The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most powerful level of Nature's functioning and the source of the infinite creativity and intelligence within every individual and displayed throughout the universe. Dr. Hagelin, who conducted pioneering research at the European Center for Particle Physics and the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, will present the scientific discovery of the Unified Field and its practical applications in every area of society to eradicate such intractable problems as violence, disease and poverty. Dr. Hagelin will also reveal how these same technologies of the Unified Field, which include the Transcendental Meditation program of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, can promote enlightenment for every individual and raise every nation to peace and invincibility. Dr. Hagelin currently serves as Executive Director of the International Center for Invincible Defense in New York City; International Director of the Global Union of Scientists for Peace; President of Maharishi Central University in Kansas; Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace; and Raja of Invincible America. For more information, please visit http://www.america.unifiedfieldconferences.org/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [FairfieldLife] TMmovement re-starts
At MIU we used to eat popcorn with ghee and brewer's yeast. Okay, now is it not apparent to all that there is no 'scientific discovery of the unified field?' - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TMmovement re-starts Oh God! I can't imagine something like this. It must be so boring. Do they serve Ayur vedic popcorn? --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, We are delighted to announce that Raja Hagelin's 12-part videotaped conference series (on the scientific discovery of the Unified Field and its practical applications in every area of society to eradicate such intractable problems as violence, disease, and poverty) that originally started on the February 4 will recommence on Monday, March 3. Full details are below. You may recall that at the beginning of this month Dr. Bevan Morris reminded us that as Maharishi went into silence in January, he expressed a deep desire that everyone see these talks again and again: this is the knowledge Maharishi wanted everyone to have at this time. Dr. Morris also asked that we invite our meditating and non-meditating friends and colleagues to hear the lectures as well. We therefore hope that you, your friends, and your colleagues will be able to attend as many of these tapes as possible. Jai Guru Dev Wally and Alex De Vasier Maharishi Invincibility Center of Fairfield Telephone: 472-1174 and Mac Muehlman and Cynthia Parker Maharishi Invincibility Center of Maharishi Vedic City Telephone: 472-8625 TOPICS AND DATES · Health - Monday, March 3 · Architecture - Tuesday, March 4 · Agriculture - Wednesday, March 5 · Trade Commerce - Thursday, March 6 · Defense - Friday, March 7 · Science Technology - Saturday, March 8 · Communication - Sunday, March 9 · Religion and Culture - Monday, March 10 · Administration - Tuesday, March 11 · Law and Order - Wednesday, March 12 · Finance and Planning - Thursday, March 13 · Education - Friday, March 14 (This is a repeat of the tape that was shown February 4) TIMES 8:00 p.m. LOCATIONS · Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators - Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome or Headley Hall, Maharishi Vedic City. Those with program badges, please show them at the door.) · Non-meditators, please call 472-1174 to arrange a private viewing. ADMISSION · The general cost of admission will be $10 per lecture. · M.U.M. and MSAE faculty, administrators, and students, and Invincible American Assembly participants on Settle Foundation scholarships may wish to make an optional donation of up to $10 per lecture. CONTENT OF LECTURE SERIES The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most powerful level of Nature's functioning and the source of the infinite creativity and intelligence within every individual and displayed throughout the universe. Dr. Hagelin, who conducted pioneering research at the European Center for Particle Physics and the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, will present the scientific discovery of the Unified Field and its practical applications in every area of society to eradicate such intractable problems as violence, disease and poverty. Dr. Hagelin will also reveal how these same technologies of the Unified Field, which include the Transcendental Meditation program of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, can promote enlightenment for every individual and raise every nation to peace and invincibility. Dr. Hagelin currently serves as Executive Director of the International Center for Invincible Defense in New York City; International Director of the Global Union of Scientists for Peace; President of Maharishi Central University in Kansas; Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace; and Raja of Invincible America. For more information, please visit http://www.america.unifiedfieldconferences.org/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Myers doing Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look-see at this trailer of Mike Myers upcoming film The Love- Guru. Is it just me or is Myers' voice not a bang-on impersonation of Deepak Chopra? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/the-love-guru-trailer- _n_89180.html Sorry, here's a tiny url. This should work better: http://tinyurl.com/yww6yv
[FairfieldLife] Mike Myers doing Deepak
Take a look-see at this trailer of Mike Myers upcoming film The Love- Guru. Is it just me or is Myers' voice not a bang-on impersonation of Deepak Chopra? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/the-love-guru-trailer- _n_89180.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mike Myers doing Deepak
It is Deepak! --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look-see at this trailer of Mike Myers upcoming film The Love- Guru. Is it just me or is Myers' voice not a bang-on impersonation of Deepak Chopra? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/the-love-guru-trailer- _n_89180.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me. This notion is greatly supported throughout the Ancient Texts. This adharmic thinking is really a sign of Kali Yuga. No one is to blame. Vishnu's maya.
Re: [FairfieldLife] I have no idea still what to believe
I have been inspired to say that Dzogchen is not bullshit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me the vote is out. I have tried to practice and to study a few unique systems but they do not cement in my mind. I know no more today then when I was a child. I remember being so sure of my beliefs a few times but then they faded. I am tending towards pretty much total disbelief. In general. I meditate. I do mantras. I experience bliss. I experience lots of things. I even think I see some things too. But I am not sure what any of it means. I do know I couldn't recommend TM to anyone at this late date. I would not treat my enemies to the Movement. If TM was taught outside of the Movement then maybe. Maybe not. Just depends on whether the sappy SCI went with it. The Movement is not expressive of Maharishi's bullshit line about 200 percent of life. I mean take a fucking look around. But then I can't recommend Buddhism either. Too many shitty teachers. Too much focus on reclusion. Too much disdain for other paths. Too little too late. I remember hanging out at a bar with this lama and I told him how I would have gone to Naropa Institute if I hadn't gone to MIU and he told me that I had been really stupid because I would have then been already enlightened instead of whatever it seems I am. And then he threw up in my car as I drove him home. That doesn't mean he wasn't enlightened. But at least I had ibuprofen for my hangover. Seems that most gurus teach accepting your money before your qualifications. I admit last year I went through two miscarriages, was still irking over Katrina, still hadn't had a decent job that respected me, and I spent all my money on yajnas for mostly other people. In short, I had a nervous breakdown of sorts and I was quite insane for a few months, and really angry. I really wasn't able to function. The yajnas didn't help as the focus of energy on me made me unable to sleep for months and months. During that time I would nap at times and have such esoteric dreams that I really thought I saw and understood the entire future of the world. I understood everything. I was truely crazy. Now, I look back and have decided that I was nuts. I see this craziness as the starting point of most every religion. Institutionalized craziness. Has nothing to do with a God or not. It's all human based. Bullshit. All that we believe is based in bullshit. It's the lack of beliefs that is closest to truth. When the mind is stopped and just where you are then that's what is. All the rest is fucking bullshit. I am sad to say that includes Dzogchen, TM, Christism, Jues, Jains, and all the rest. It's all bullshit. Totally, irrevocably, and finally. There is no truth. But the lack thereof. I'm sorry man. I can't imagine what it must be like. I wish you strength and courage.
[FairfieldLife] I have no idea still what to believe
For me the vote is out. I have tried to practice and to study a few unique systems but they do not cement in my mind. I know no more today then when I was a child. I remember being so sure of my beliefs a few times but then they faded. I am tending towards pretty much total disbelief. In general. I meditate. I do mantras. I experience bliss. I experience lots of things. I even think I see some things too. But I am not sure what any of it means. I do know I couldn't recommend TM to anyone at this late date. I would not treat my enemies to the Movement. If TM was taught outside of the Movement then maybe. Maybe not. Just depends on whether the sappy SCI went with it. The Movement is not expressive of Maharishi's bullshit line about 200 percent of life. I mean take a fucking look around. But then I can't recommend Buddhism either. Too many shitty teachers. Too much focus on reclusion. Too much disdain for other paths. Too little too late. I remember hanging out at a bar with this lama and I told him how I would have gone to Naropa Institute if I hadn't gone to MIU and he told me that I had been really stupid because I would have then been already enlightened instead of whatever it seems I am. And then he threw up in my car as I drove him home. That doesn't mean he wasn't enlightened. But at least I had ibuprofen for my hangover. Seems that most gurus teach accepting your money before your qualifications. I admit last year I went through two miscarriages, was still irking over Katrina, still hadn't had a decent job that respected me, and I spent all my money on yajnas for mostly other people. In short, I had a nervous breakdown of sorts and I was quite insane for a few months, and really angry. I really wasn't able to function. The yajnas didn't help as the focus of energy on me made me unable to sleep for months and months. During that time I would nap at times and have such esoteric dreams that I really thought I saw and understood the entire future of the world. I understood everything. I was truely crazy. Now, I look back and have decided that I was nuts. I see this craziness as the starting point of most every religion. Institutionalized craziness. Has nothing to do with a God or not. It's all human based. Bullshit. All that we believe is based in bullshit. It's the lack of beliefs that is closest to truth. When the mind is stopped and just where you are then that's what is. All the rest is fucking bullshit. I am sad to say that includes Dzogchen, TM, Christism, Jues, Jains, and all the rest. It's all bullshit. Totally, irrevocably, and finally. There is no truth. But the lack thereof.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss Paramatma [God] - as if somehow they think they are superior and can ignore and bypass that central Divinity and those dharmic values in their own lives with impunity. -It never ceases to amaze me how some people are not touched by the constant tragedy of all those around them, and they merely shrug it off like it's God's will. What then isn't? And if God's will includes such horror then God be damned. God has little value. You can't even cook an egg with it. Worshipping God is like worshipping President Bush. For all the value in ones life. Or like a flea worshipping a dog. Pointless. In fact the flea which makes the most noise gets the paw. You complain about your life being in the shitter. By the attitude you present here, is it any wonder?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mike Myers doing Deepak
On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Peter wrote: It is Deepak! No, it's Swami Beyondananda making a comeback. Sal --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look-see at this trailer of Mike Myers upcoming film The Love- Guru. Is it just me or is Myers' voice not a bang-on impersonation of Deepak Chopra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
Guru Dev did not teach 'enlightenment without God'. Apparently you misunderstood this entire subject. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you post your comments. The tradition that Guru Dev followed was the Adwaita tradition, which is based on the Upanishads. The Mandukya Upanishad and the karika by Gaudapada, is the scripture of Vedanta. The Upanishadic authors were all transcendentalists, based on the Vedanta Sutra by Badarayana. The Adwaita tradition teaches enlightenment without a personal God: non-dualism. All the Gods are part and parcel of Prakriti - they serve only a limited purpose in the path toward liberation. Like Lawson said, TM is a 'do it yourself' tool - there's no need to join a religion, a sect, or a cult. All you have to do is be aware of your bija mantra (pranava symbolized by the sacred syllable OM), just like any other thought, and sit quietly feeling your body as a whole. TM is not a religion - it's a yoga practice that provides the most ideal opportunity for transcending. It's that simple. Anyone who knows this is sure to construct this whole world and to become also its destruction (Olivelle 288-289). Translation: 'The Upanishads' Mandukya Upanishad Translated by Patrick Olivelle, Ph.D. Oxford World's Classics http://tinyurl.com/558mg Dr. Patrick Olivelle, the translator, is the Chair, Department of Asian Studies, and Director, Center for Asian Studies, at the University of Texas at Austin. Department of Asian Studies: http://asnic.utexas.edu/asnic/olivelle/ 'Secrets of the Mandukya Upanishad' by Swami Rama Lotus Press, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2u53s3 I read Swami Rama's exposition and interpretation of the Mandukya Upanishad when I was a resident of the Himalayan Institute in Honesdale, PA. Read this book if you love the dream state. Read this book if you love the state of bliss that snares you at the beginning of a deep sleep and won't let you go as your hand unconsciously hits the snooze button over and again. Read this book if you question reality during your waking moments. Read this book if you want a very specific suggestion about the nature of God and the mechanics of the merging of waking, dreaming, and sleeping. Read this book if you believe that you can turn bad dreams off, turn good dreams on, and if you believe that life is a dream. Buy this book and hold on to it. This book is a gift. - David P. Trieff
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment Without God
You complain about your life being in the shitter. By the attitude you present here, is it any wonder? And my attitude is? For myself I have to say that at least I am honest about not knowing much of anything instead of being infinitely presumptous like most others. So at least I'm honest. What can you say about yourself?
[FairfieldLife] Does Logic Lead to Truth ?
from : http://www.peterspearls.com.au/blog/category/humor/ A man, obsessed with the idea that he was dead, was being treated by a psychiatrist. The doctor used all the known techniques at his command but to no avail. Finally, he tried appealing to the patient's logic. Do dead men feel pain? asked the doctor. No, of course not, answered the patient. All right, said the doctor, now let us try an experiment. He took a sharp needle and pricked the man's hand. The patient jumped up with a yell. There! What do you say now? asked the psychiatrist. Well, isn't that amazing! answered the patient; Dead people do feel pain.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
I'm sorry man. I can't imagine what it must be like. I wish you strength and courage. Thanks. It was like most everything else, both high and low, at once. I remember the development of roller coasters due to having been raised near Magic Mountain in Valencia, CA. None of those things were tough enough for me. Do you remember the movie 'Roller Coaster?' That took place there and starred the 'Revolution' which was the first 360 coaster. But even then it wasn't much of anything. So then I went there about two years ago, when I was stuck in CA after Katrina. And went on some coaster. I think it was called Batman or Ninja2 or something. man, that thing was so intense I felt truely sick after and I thought I had whiplash. My wife decided then to never go on another one. You get what you ask for. Anyway, that's how it was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now
Barry writes snipped: In the same way that some of the subjectopaths here seem to believe that If I believe it, it's 'truth,' Edg believes that If I *feel* it, it's 'truth.' TomT: I was reading a newsletter today and learned of a law called Benford's Law of Controversy that states that passion in any argument is inversely proportional to the amount of real information advanced. Cool! Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry man. I can't imagine what it must be like. I wish you strength and courage. Thanks. It was like most everything else, both high and low, at once. I remember the development of roller coasters due to having been raised near Magic Mountain in Valencia, CA. None of those things were tough enough for me. Do you remember the movie 'Roller Coaster?' That took place there and starred the 'Revolution' which was the first 360 coaster. But even then it wasn't much of anything. So then I went there about two years ago, when I was stuck in CA after Katrina. And went on some coaster. I think it was called Batman or Ninja2 or something. man, that thing was so intense I felt truely sick after and I thought I had whiplash. My wife decided then to never go on another one. You get what you ask for. Anyway, that's how it was. Hey Kirk, I've been skimming your posts this morning and I can relate to a lot of the ups and downs and confusion and pain you've been experiencing, though I'll leave the myriad gory details in the past. I just wanted to make a suggestion that what really helped me a lot through those times was a regular program of intense exercise; 70-80 mile bike rides and running 10 to 15 miles in the mountains. Anyway, it really helped stabilize my runaway thoughts. I did something like that at least three times a week for a couple of decades. I preferred outdoor solitary exercise to the alternatives because it was most freeing, but this was just my personal preference. Anyway, for what it is worth...
[FairfieldLife] The Ego Not an Enemy
The Ego Not an Enemy ~ Inquirer I just started reading one of your books for the first time A New Earth http://www.peterspearls.com.au/books.htm#eckhart . I am still having a hard time understanding why we have an ego and why it seems to be our enemy. Can you explain it more simply for me so I understand the ego's purpose? Eckhart Tolle The ego is a stage in the evolution of human consciousness. It is not your enemy. To perceive somebody or something as an enemy is in fact one of the main misperceptions or delusions of the egoic unconsciousness. So, you cannot fight against the ego and win that fight. If you think you have won the fight against the ego, it is the ego in you that thinks so and it has enlarged itself. So the ego is not an enemy, but a dysfunction. Looked at from one point of view, it is an entity that the mind created. From another perspective, however, it is simply a delusion, resulting in a distorted way of perceiving reality and consequently in dysfunctional behavior. This second perspective is probably a more helpful one. A delusion dissolves when you recognize it as delusion, and so does the ego. The ego is the by-product, as it were, of the rapid development of our faculty of thought over the past six thousand years. We lost ourselves in thought, that is to say became identified with it to such an extent that we now derive our sense of who we are from thinking. Thought is a particular way for universal intelligence to express itself. It is no more than a tiny aspect of that vast intelligence. Thought, through naming things, analyzes, dissects, and separates reality into bits and pieces. Thinking can be a helpful practical tool, but when you identify with thinking the delusion of separation arises. Your reality becomes fragmented. You lose your original sense of connectedness with Being (paradise). You become unhappy, needy, discontented, full of ever unfulfilled desire, and you are always unconsciously attempting to regain your lost sense of being, of who you are. Life is one and I am one with all life. When you know this truth, the ego dissolves. To know means to realize. How, then, do you realize this truth? At this moment the only moment there is there are some thoughts moving across your mind (the words you are reading and whatever your mind is adding to them). However, you can also KNOW that these thoughts are moving across your mind. That knowing is the dimension of awareness. It has nothing to do with thinking. While thinking happens, you can know yourself as the awareness behind the thinking, the alert stillness in the background ungraspable, indefinable, elusive. When you disidentify from thinking, you may also discover a growing ability within you to perceive things and people without immediately naming them. In this way, the ego, which is the unconscious habit of identifying with every thought that arises, begins to dissolve. Dealing With Ego ~ One day I will be free of the ego. Who is talking? The ego. To become free of the ego's control is not really a big job, but a very small one. All you need to do is be aware of your thoughts and emotions as they happen. This is not really a doing, but an alert seeing. In that sense, it is true that there is nothing you can do to become free of the ego's domination. When that shift happens, which is the shift from thinking to awareness, an intelligence far greater than the ego's cleverness begins to operate in your life. Emotions and even thoughts become depersonalized through awareness. You are the light of Presence, the awareness that is prior to and deeper than any thoughts and emotions.
RE: [FairfieldLife] I have no idea still what to believe
Kirk, one thing you’ve got going for you is that I and others on this forum love you as a brother. Doesn’t matter what you believe. Does matter who you are, what you do, etc. We’re all blind men feeling an elephant. Nobody has the whole picture. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe I just wanted to make a suggestion that what really helped me a lot through those times was a regular program of intense exercise; 70-80 mile bike rides and running 10 to 15 miles in the mountains. Anyway, it really helped stabilize my runaway thoughts. I second that. I’ve been doing a lot of cross country skiing lately because we’re having the snowiest, coldest winter in recent memory. And it’s making me feel really great. And look what all the shoveling has done for Edg! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe I just wanted to make a suggestion that what really helped me a lot through those times was a regular program of intense exercise; 70- 80 mile bike rides and running 10 to 15 miles in the mountains. Anyway, it really helped stabilize my runaway thoughts. I second that. I've been doing a lot of cross country skiing lately because we're having the snowiest, coldest winter in recent memory. And it's making me feel really great. And look what all the shoveling has done for Edg! not enough shoveling for Edg...;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMmovement re-starts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At MIU we used to eat popcorn with ghee and brewer's yeast. My MIU days were pre-ghee, so we ate popcorn with butter and brewer's yeast (as my family still does). One day in the dorm we went really wild and sprinkled in some Dr. Bronner's seasoning. I'm telling you, we knew how to have fun!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now ('Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain= War Forever?
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Hey! Richard is a willing volunteer for the FFL dunking tank. Who else is going to volunteer? :-) this kinda sounds to me like a warning to anyone who might challenge the inner cadre of this group. You haven't been around long enough to get Bhairitu's sense of humor, Ed. This was a joke. I was glad to see that somebody got it though apparently a few didn't. The analogy of course is that Richard is like someone at a carnival dunking tank or dunking booth taunting the crowd to hit the bullseye with the basket ball and drop him into the tank. That's what he lives for. The further analogy was that if we banned him we would lose our dunking target. And of course I'm not for banning anyone regardless of how annoying they are with the exception of people who are obviously spammers and subscribe post their ad and then unsubscribe. There is an option BTW to mark them as spammers but I don't know if that means than Yahoo investigates and bans them groups wide.
[FairfieldLife] Rick snarks! (Re: I have no idea still what to believe)
Rick Archer wrote: I've been doing a lot of cross country skiing lately because we're having the snowiest, coldest winter in recent memory. And it's making me feel really great. And look what all the shoveling has done for Edg! Rick, Is that a snark? I think that was a snark. Was that a snark? Exercise is the bomb, but I don't see it lessening most psychological problems, but perhaps egoic pride-in-being-fit can notch up one's self-esteem -- it seems to have done so for mebut I still have a ton of work to do. TM seemed to have had zero effect on self-esteem. My right action of teaching TM helped me feel like I had purpose in life, but as soon as the crud of the TMO started becoming painfully obvious, all my identification with being a priest wained, and I had little to point to as my profit -- not much left of the esteem-cuz-of-being-spiritual delusion. To me, exercise is mostly about being able to stay healthy and then use that extra time to evolve, but I can conceive of quite-out-of-shape folks being spiritually advanced despite, say, morbid obesity. Being a chef is one of the most physically demanding jobs what am, so I'd hesitate telling Kirk to jump on a Trikke or cross-country skies for any deep healing. My shoveling has given me a lot more muscle than stamina. But at least it got me outside. Just shoveled again this morning -- three inches. Longest winter of my life. Depending on the activity, one's mind can be invested such that the world's concerns drop away or onto a back burner, but I don't think that one can work off the effects of a recent rage-session nearly as much as one can work off a burger, fries, malt, apple pie, and ten packets of ketchup! Yeah, there's all that runner's-high stuff that's bragged about, but I've met some of the meanest people on Earth riding bikes and thinking they owned the road. As part of a spiritual program, yeah, exercise's a gimme. Chop wood and carry water, and that'll keep you crispy-frisky enough to take a high-dive plunge into dogma. If one can run 20 miles, one might think one could transcend 20 minutes, eh? But, Rick, that snark, that snark. I'm thinking my latest tirades against Richard have made you take a couple steps back from me. Is ya thinkin' I'm lost in rage or, you know, writing the good fight? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
I second that. I've been doing a lot of cross country skiing lately because we're having the snowiest, coldest winter in recent memory. And it's making me feel really great. I have so many great memories of X country around the reservoir behind MIU. What a fantastic sport and a great place for it. I dig getting into the forest and hear the chickadees in the silence created by the muffling of the snow. Now I would have to travel to find good snow but back in '76 I would ski right out of the door of Frat 153(?). I used to create a track and really haul ass! Now I get on a Nordic Track and watch the Daily Show every day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe I just wanted to make a suggestion that what really helped me a lot through those times was a regular program of intense exercise; 70-80 mile bike rides and running 10 to 15 miles in the mountains. Anyway, it really helped stabilize my runaway thoughts. I second that. I've been doing a lot of cross country skiing lately because we're having the snowiest, coldest winter in recent memory. And it's making me feel really great. And look what all the shoveling has done for Edg! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
I did something like that at least three times a week for a couple of decades. I preferred outdoor solitary exercise to the alternatives because it was most freeing, but this was just my personal preference. Anyway, for what it is worth... I'm sure you're right. I have been missing some real exercise. I do agree that even just getting some sun and fresh air is good tonic.
[FairfieldLife] Rick's Eloquence and Truth Index
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk, one thing you've got going for you is that I and others on this forum love you as a brother. Doesn't matter what you believe. Does matter who you are, what you do, etc. We're all blind men feeling an elephant. Nobody has the whole picture. Now, that's eloquence ! And it scores high on my Truth Index( for your entertainment only, please! ): Truth Index = 1 / ( ego x number of words x 1 + number of curses) Truth Index = ONE divided by the product of ego times the number of words times 1 + number of curse words Some Notes: The greater number of words and the greater number of curse words, the lower the Truth Index; unless your ego = zero which could even be a temporary thing like during and inspirational insight. ego does seem to vary for most of us, like during anger, rage, etc it can be very high For a Mahatma with zero ego, curse words may occasionally be used for the benefit of a disciple without lowering the Truth Index When ego = zero, Truth Index = infinity overall, Rick's posts score very high on my Truth Index this Truth Index is only for your entertainment enjoy! amarnath
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMmovement re-starts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: At MIU we used to eat popcorn with ghee and brewer's yeast. My MIU days were pre-ghee, so we ate popcorn with butter and brewer's yeast (as my family still does). One day in the dorm we went really wild and sprinkled in some Dr. Bronner's seasoning. I'm telling you, we knew how to have fun! that is just Out Of Control Patrick!
[FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now ('Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain=
Rick Rocks! If you ever see him, ask him to show you his calf muscles! Surya
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1 in every 99 Americans behind bars
--- Kirk wrote: I spent many years in bars, and only a year and a half behind one. I found that being a bartender does in fact lend itself to drinking alcohol. I would get my tip money and go next door to the bar and party. It's like I couldn't get enough. But now I know it was karma. A friend of mine acquired a distaste for drinking as a result of tending bar. He noticed people becoming progressively more stupid as they drank, and decided that wasn't for him. Score another one for the value of witnessing!
Re: [FairfieldLife] I have no idea still what to believe
Thanks Rick. I wish the blind women could feel a bit lower and to the right. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] I have no idea still what to believe Kirk, one thing you’ve got going for you is that I and others on this forum love you as a brother. Doesn’t matter what you believe. Does matter who you are, what you do, etc. We’re all blind men feeling an elephant. Nobody has the whole picture. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
Thanks Rick. I wish the blind women could feel a bit lower and to the right. Than I'm kinda relieved to realize that I must be at the trunk. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Rick. I wish the blind women could feel a bit lower and to the right. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] I have no idea still what to believe Kirk, one thing you've got going for you is that I and others on this forum love you as a brother. Doesn't matter what you believe. Does matter who you are, what you do, etc. We're all blind men feeling an elephant. Nobody has the whole picture. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did something like that at least three times a week for a couple of decades. I preferred outdoor solitary exercise to the alternatives because it was most freeing, but this was just my personal preference. Anyway, for what it is worth... I'm sure you're right. I have been missing some real exercise. I do agree that even just getting some sun and fresh air is good tonic. anyway all the best to you!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have no idea still what to believe I second that. I've been doing a lot of cross country skiing lately because we're having the snowiest, coldest winter in recent memory. And it's making me feel really great. I have so many great memories of X country around the reservoir behind MIU. What a fantastic sport and a great place for it. I go there often. If you want flat, you can ski on the reservoir now. The ice is two feet thick. Some loonies had a large hole cut in it and went swimming last weekend to raise money for charity. There’s nice sandy beach now at Waterworks Park. The town no longer gets it’s drinking water from the reservoir. I deep well was dug several years ago that taps into the Jordan Aquifer. Now there’s a gravel path over to the far reservoir near Pleasant Plain road, and branching off from that, a trail that goes into a pine forest. I also do Jefferson County Park a lot (did it this morning), and an area called Lamson Woods. I have backcountry skis, which have lift-up boots like cross country skis, but are wider and have metal edges, so I can turn and control my speed on steep, narrow trails and rutted snow. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RICK -- Ban this bastard now ('Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain=
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Rick Rocks! If you ever see him, ask him to show you his calf muscles!
Surya
Is this Surya from the Amma group? The fitness trainer guy? I don’t show
those calf muscles to just anyone.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Rick snarks! (Re: I have no idea still what to believe)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:10 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick snarks! (Re: I have no idea still what to believe) Rick Archer wrote: I've been doing a lot of cross country skiing lately because we're having the snowiest, coldest winter in recent memory. And it's making me feel really great. And look what all the shoveling has done for Edg! Rick, Is that a snark? I think that was a snark. Was that a snark? It was more like a snork. But I’m just teasing you. Rant on. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Myers doing Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look-see at this trailer of Mike Myers upcoming film The Love- Guru. Is it just me or is Myers' voice not a bang-on impersonation of Deepak Chopra? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/the-love-guru-trailer- _n_89180.html I'd prefer a black face caricature of negroes, or a slanty eyed imitation of a chinese guy, who talk rike dis.
[FairfieldLife] BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
One of the local TV stations had a news item on $4 a gallon gas. Seems that one of the Shell stations in San Jose was charging around $4.50 a gallon for gas. The station interviewed folks to see why they were buying and they just said I've got to have gas. My guess is this was a one day prank by the owner to see if people would really buy $4 plus gas. Usually the station KTVU ( www.ktvu.com ) has these stories online but it is not there today. Anyway we need to connect the Bush administration to this price increase and the inflation it will cause and demand impeachment now of the whole administration. Every chance you get remind people Bush is responsible for this because of his damn war. This is the most sinister administration in the history of the US.
[FairfieldLife] Record sales for A New Earth
Oprah's Book Pick Selling at Record Pace Feb. 28, 2008, 12:15 PM EST The Associated Press NEW YORK -- Even for an Oprah Winfrey book pick, A New Earth has been a sensation. About 3.5 million copies of Eckhart Tolle's spiritual self-help guide have been shipped since Winfrey, host of The Oprah Winfrey Show, announced her selection four weeks ago. The book has topped the best-seller list on Amazon.com virtually from the moment Winfrey's choice was revealed, and it is the fastest- selling pick ever at Barnes Noble Inc., according to a statement issued Thursday by Winfrey. It's also a record shipment in a four-week span for any book by Penguin Group (USA), which has published such million sellers as Elizabeth Gilbert's Eat, Pray, Love and Ken Follett's Winfrey- endorsed The Pillars of the Earth. Brian Tart, president and publisher of the Penguin imprint Dutton, told The Associated Press that a key factor was the upcoming Web seminars featuring Winfrey and Tolle, to be held for 10 consecutive Mondays starting March 3. Oprah herself has committed 10 weeks to talking to the author, and people from all over the world will be able to participate, said Tart, who added that more than 500,000 people, from more than 100 countries, have registered for the seminar
Re: [FairfieldLife] Record sales for A New Earth
Tolle is hideous looking. I would just assume watch Mardi Feldman give a speech. Not that that's here nor there. - Original Message - From: matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Record sales for A New Earth Oprah's Book Pick Selling at Record Pace Feb. 28, 2008, 12:15 PM EST The Associated Press NEW YORK -- Even for an Oprah Winfrey book pick, A New Earth has been a sensation. About 3.5 million copies of Eckhart Tolle's spiritual self-help guide have been shipped since Winfrey, host of The Oprah Winfrey Show, announced her selection four weeks ago. The book has topped the best-seller list on Amazon.com virtually from the moment Winfrey's choice was revealed, and it is the fastest- selling pick ever at Barnes Noble Inc., according to a statement issued Thursday by Winfrey. It's also a record shipment in a four-week span for any book by Penguin Group (USA), which has published such million sellers as Elizabeth Gilbert's Eat, Pray, Love and Ken Follett's Winfrey- endorsed The Pillars of the Earth. Brian Tart, president and publisher of the Penguin imprint Dutton, told The Associated Press that a key factor was the upcoming Web seminars featuring Winfrey and Tolle, to be held for 10 consecutive Mondays starting March 3. Oprah herself has committed 10 weeks to talking to the author, and people from all over the world will be able to participate, said Tart, who added that more than 500,000 people, from more than 100 countries, have registered for the seminar To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] The Most Wanted List: International Terrorism, by Noam Chomsky (article)
The Most Wanted List: International Terrorism By Noam Chomsky TomDispatch.com Tuesday 26 February 2008 On February 13, Imad Moughniyeh, a senior commander of Hizbollah, was assassinated in Damascus. The world is a better place without this man in it, State Department spokesperson Sean McCormack said: one way or the other he was brought to justice. Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell added that Moughniyeh has been responsible for more deaths of Americans and Israelis than any other terrorist with the exception of Osama bin Laden. Joy was unconstrained in Israel too, as one of the U.S. and Israel's most wanted men was brought to justice, the London Financial Times reported. Under the heading, A militant wanted the world over, an accompanying story reported that he was superseded on the most-wanted list by Osama bin Laden after 9/11 and so ranked only second among the most wanted militants in the world. The terminology is accurate enough, according to the rules of Anglo-American discourse, which defines the world as the political class in Washington and London (and whoever happens to agree with them on specific matters). It is common, for example, to read that the world fully supported George Bush when he ordered the bombing of Afghanistan. That may be true of the world, but hardly of the world, as revealed in an international Gallup Poll after the bombing was announced. Global support was slight. In Latin America, which has some experience with U.S. behavior, support ranged from 2% in Mexico to 16% in Panama, and that support was conditional upon the culprits being identified (they still weren't eight months later, the FBI reported), and civilian targets being spared (they were attacked at once). There was an overwhelming preference in the world for diplomatic/judicial measures, rejected out of hand by the world. Following the Terror Trail In the present case, if the world were extended to the world, we might find some other candidates for the honor of most hated arch- criminal. It is instructive to ask why this might be true. The Financial Times reports that most of the charges against Moughniyeh are unsubstantiated, but one of the very few times when his involvement can be ascertained with certainty [is in] the hijacking of a TWA plane in 1985 in which a U.S. Navy diver was killed. This was one of two terrorist atrocities that led a poll of newspaper editors to select terrorism in the Middle East as the top story of 1985; the other was the hijacking of the passenger liner Achille Lauro, in which a crippled American, Leon Klinghoffer, was brutally murdered. That reflects the judgment of the world. It may be that the world saw matters somewhat differently. The Achille Lauro hijacking was a retaliation for the bombing of Tunis ordered a week earlier by Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres. His air force killed 75 Tunisians and Palestinians with smart bombs that tore them to shreds, among other atrocities, as vividly reported from the scene by the prominent Israeli journalist Amnon Kapeliouk. Washington cooperated by failing to warn its ally Tunisia that the bombers were on the way, though the Sixth Fleet and U.S. intelligence could not have been unaware of the impending attack. Secretary of State George Shultz informed Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir that Washington had considerable sympathy for the Israeli action, which he termed a legitimate response to terrorist attacks, to general approbation. A few days later, the UN Security Council unanimously denounced the bombing as an act of armed aggression (with the U.S. abstaining). Aggression is, of course, a far more serious crime than international terrorism. But giving the United States and Israel the benefit of the doubt, let us keep to the lesser charge against their leadership. A few days after, Peres went to Washington to consult with the leading international terrorist of the day, Ronald Reagan, who denounced the evil scourge of terrorism, again with general acclaim by the world. The terrorist attacks that Shultz and Peres offered as the pretext for the bombing of Tunis were the killings of three Israelis in Larnaca, Cyprus. The killers, as Israel conceded, had nothing to do with Tunis, though they might have had Syrian connections. Tunis was a preferable target, however. It was defenseless, unlike Damascus. And there was an extra pleasure: more exiled Palestinians could be killed there. The Larnaca killings, in turn, were regarded as retaliation by the perpetrators: They were a response to regular Israeli hijackings in international waters in which many victims were killed - and many more kidnapped and sent to prisons in Israel, commonly to be held without charge for long periods. The most notorious of these has been the secret prison/torture chamber Facility 1391. A good deal can be learned about it from
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In Swedish the word 'omkring' means 'around' or 'approximately! :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
Just as I was getting to think I could, you know, settle down about Richard, along comes brother Bhairitu, and PULLS ME BACK INTO IT. God bless you, Bro. Without your sanity here, I'd doubt my own mind's writhing productions. Down with evil! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the local TV stations had a news item on $4 a gallon gas. Seems that one of the Shell stations in San Jose was charging around $4.50 a gallon for gas. The station interviewed folks to see why they were buying and they just said I've got to have gas. My guess is this was a one day prank by the owner to see if people would really buy $4 plus gas. Usually the station KTVU ( www.ktvu.com ) has these stories online but it is not there today. Anyway we need to connect the Bush administration to this price increase and the inflation it will cause and demand impeachment now of the whole administration. Every chance you get remind people Bush is responsible for this because of his damn war. This is the most sinister administration in the history of the US.
[FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the local TV stations had a news item on $4 a gallon gas. Seems that one of the Shell stations in San Jose was charging around $4.50 a gallon for gas. The station interviewed folks to see why they were buying and they just said I've got to have gas. My guess is this was a one day prank by the owner to see if people would really buy $4 plus gas. Usually the station KTVU ( www.ktvu.com ) has these stories online but it is not there today. Anyway we need to connect the Bush administration to this price increase and the inflation it will cause and demand impeachment now of the whole administration. Every chance you get remind people Bush is responsible for this because of his damn war. This is the most sinister administration in the history of the US. ** Yes, this is a very sinister administration because it masks its warhunger in talk about freedom. It will be a refreshing change to have McCrazy in the White House, who is openly dedicated to perpetual war without any bogus lip service to protecting democracy or whatever bullshit flavor of the month our mad dog leaders are drooling.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:25 PM, bob_brigante wrote: Yes, this is a very sinister administration because it masks its warhunger in talk about freedom. It will be a refreshing change to have McCrazy in the White House, Next lifetime, Bob. who is openly dedicated to perpetual war without any bogus lip service to protecting democracy or whatever bullshit flavor of the month our mad dog leaders are drooling. You know, just out of curiosity, why are you--and Peter, to a lesser extent--so resistant to the idea of the Democrats taking over? Is it because either of you can't stomach the idea of a woman or an African- American 'polluting' that sacred office? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:25 PM, bob_brigante wrote: Yes, this is a very sinister administration because it masks its warhunger in talk about freedom. It will be a refreshing change to have McCrazy in the White House, Next lifetime, Bob. who is openly dedicated to perpetual war without any bogus lip service to protecting democracy or whatever bullshit flavor of the month our mad dog leaders are drooling. You know, just out of curiosity, why are you--and Peter, to a lesser extent--so resistant to the idea of the Democrats taking over? Is it because either of you can't stomach the idea of a woman or an African- American 'polluting' that sacred office? Sal do you think Obama will make it in a runoff against McCain? I sure hope so, but they are polar opposites, and McCain has the power structure behind him. Very much a david v goliath thing going on...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote: do you think Obama will make it in a runoff against McCain? He would at this point, according to most polls I've seen. Bob picked the one poll that didn't show that. I sure hope so, but they are polar opposites, and McCain has the power structure behind him. Very much a david v goliath thing going on... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote: do you think Obama will make it in a runoff against McCain? He would at this point, according to most polls I've seen. Bob picked the one poll that didn't show that. I sure hope so, but they are polar opposites, and McCain has the power structure behind him. Very much a david v goliath thing going on... Sal virtual fingers crossed...
[FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote: do you think Obama will make it in a runoff against McCain? He would at this point, according to most polls I've seen. Bob picked the one poll that didn't show that. When it comes to racial issues, you can't really trust what people say to pollsters (people just plain lie). Obama is a slight favorite now, but unfortunately, I think McCrazy is going to win: Odds On: Who will win the 2008 Presidential Election? Hillary Clinton 8/1 John McCain 3/2 Barack Obama 8/15 Ralph Nader 150/1 Mike Bloomberg 100/1 Mike Huckabee 125/1 Ron Paul 150/1 http://tinyurl.com/yw33n9
[FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote: do you think Obama will make it in a runoff against McCain? He would at this point, according to most polls I've seen. Bob picked the one poll that didn't show that. http://tinyurl.com/2yke8u
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
On Feb 29, 2008, at 5:24 PM, sandiego108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote: do you think Obama will make it in a runoff against McCain? He would at this point, according to most polls I've seen. Bob picked the one poll that didn't show that. I sure hope so, but they are polar opposites, and McCain has the power structure behind him. Very much a david v goliath thing going on... Sal virtual fingers crossed... Don't forget, even if Obama wins doesn't necessarily mean he'll actually become president. If the Repugs use enough dirty tricks, and the Dems let them get away with them, who knows. It probably won't happen again, but nobody thought it could happen a first time (not to mention a second). Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BushCo's $4 a gallon gas
On Feb 29, 2008, at 5:25 PM, bob_brigante wrote: When it comes to racial issues, you can't really trust what people say to pollsters (people just plain lie). Sure, Bob, everyone lies when polled anonymously. Whatever percentage might lie I'm sure is figured into the results. Obama is a slight favorite now, but unfortunately, I think McCrazy is going to win Dream on. But, like I pointed out, even if he loses he could still become Pres in this crazy atmosphere. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Blitzkreig Bush + John McCain= War Forever?'
Robert wrote: Do we really want to war forever? So, we are agreed that the U.S. is in a war. If so, do we want to be defeated in a war or win the war? (snip) The U.S. is in a war against terrorism... Are any other countries in this war, as well? What about India, China, Russia? Do they need to fight terrorism as well. How would we feel if Russia had invaded Iraq? How would we feel if China invaded Iraq? The United States has to be something other than a war-monger, empire building entity. The world is changing- The world is Flat. We need to compete with China and India. We need to get out of the war business and get into the life business. Promote life domestically and internationally. Stop promoting war and death. Then we can stop playing the same game as the terrorist. Bush has made a mess of things. Why would we want a 3rd Bush term? Doesn't make sense.
[FairfieldLife] Tolle - power outage?
The power in the power outage Suzan From Lake County News Chronicle Published Thursday, February 28, 2008 Suzan From of Finland has been a long-time contributor to the Lake County News-Chronicle as columnist and as source of contacts and information. It all started last Friday night when I read a study reported in the Duluth News Tribune. The study revealed cat owners are 30-40 percent less likely to die from strokes and heart attacks than dog owners and non-pet owners. Since strokes and heart attacks are often associated with stress and hostile and negative emotional reactions to life, I could understand the cat thing. Cats make me pause to smile. They cheer me up. I have watched one of our cats latch on to my daughter when she has cried or become ill. I have watched how another one of our cats had to be right in the middle of the wonderful short lived healing group at my home. Cats seem to be great energy absorbers, not just the good energy maybe the bad energy too. RELATED CONTENT Add a comment Suzan From Column Archive Happy moments and powerful events 02/14 Suzan From Complete Archive Suzan From Archive Last Saturday when our home had two periods of two hour power outages, I curled up with my cat and read a book about real peace by The Power of Now author Eckhart Tolle. This book, called The New Earth--Awakening to your Life's Purpose, is in alignment with the cat thing. In some of the most peaceful aware moments of my life a cat was near by. In a nutshell, Eckhart Tolle writes how our thinking and feeling drives us nuts and keeps us from awakening and experiencing life in the now. The chief obstacle to awakening is our ego. The ego is the thoughts and feelings about who we are. Fear is the emotion that drives the ego. Tolle defines the ego as having a dysfunctional relationship with the present moment. When we get wrapped up in thoughts and feelings about who we are, past and future, we forget our now, the present moment. Our life is strung together by present moments. When we learn to accept this way of experiencing our life we awaken and life becomes a life we accept, enjoy and become enthusiastic with. In the The New Earth, Tolle writes about what he calls the pain- body. The pain body represents our reactions. It has to do with not being at ease with ourselves. Many times the lack of at ease moments in our life can give rise to disease and unhappiness. According to Tolle people with heavy pain-bodies have a better chance to awaken because their pain causes them to move out of suffering. However, many people in pain perceive it as pleasure and become addicted to it. Their pain-body feeds on drama. They are easily upset with what happens. To change, people need to realize they have a pain-body comprised of all the unhappiness they carry with them. Then people have to experience their own pain-body in an alert way as an Influx of negative emotions when it becomes active, according to Tolle. When the negative emotions become conscious they can't feed off you as easily and control your thoughts and feelings. One of the gifts of Tolle's book was a story about the spiritual teacher J. Krishnamurti. After many years of teaching Krishnamurti was all set to tell his students his secret. He said his secret is, I don't mind what happens. It's one of those great secrets to experience while you are curled up with a cat during the second power outage of the day. view all deals sign up for email deals TODAY'S DEAL Buy One Get One Free Potato
