[SunRay-Users] SmartCard on Solaris 10 Update 5 - SUNWocf
Hi All, Has anyone implemented Smartcard authentication on Solaris 10 Update 5? Considering that it now ships with OCF as well as PCSC Lite, I'm not really sure what needs to be to get it to work. Especially as xscreensaver has dependencies on the OCF packages that are shipped. Any help would be great, Thanks, Alex Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kindest regards Alexander Green IES AE / Global UNIX Engineer Group Technology Operations Deutsche Bank AG 6/8 Bishopsgate, London, EC2N 4DA, United Kingdom Tel: +44 20 754 70903 Fax: +44 20 754 56567 Mob: +44 7506 713 960 --- Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft mit Sitz in Frankfurt am Main, HRB Nr. 30 000 Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main, Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Clemens Börsig, Vorstand: Josef Ackermann (Vorsitzender), Hugo Bänziger, Tessen von Heydebreck, Anthony Di lorio, Hermann-Josef Lamberti, Umsatzsteuer ID Nr.: DE114103379 ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
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Re: Windows HEAD issues
Hi Neil, On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 04:16:47PM +0100, Mitchell, Neil wrote: Another small issue, pwd.exe is placed in the bin directory. Given that pwd is a common and well understood command, GHC shouldn't be hijacking it with a completely different program. Fixed; thanks for the report. Further playing with the haddock installed by GHC shows it to have hardcoded the mingw gcc patch on the build machine into the binary, which causes it to fail when installed on a machine without mingw. If you want to put it on a different machine then you'll have to do it as part of a GHC bindist (make binary-dist). If that's not working then can you please give more details, showing what's going wrong? Thanks Ian ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nanosolar's Breakthrough - Solar Now Cheaper than Coal | celsias�
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Rick Archer wrote: http://www.celsias.com/article/nanosolars-breakthrough-technology- solar-now-cheap/ I've been following Nanosolar with great interest for the last couple of years. The only disturbing thing is the comment at the very bottom: But, despite such advances, congress is trying to remove tax incentives for renewable energy Does this represent the will of the American people? I strongly doubt it! Instead it represents the corpocracy we've become: USA, Inc. 2 points: McCain has failed to vote yes on every solar related bill in COngress, despite Arizona being the best place to put solar farms; 2) I didn't see what materials were being used. There is a limited supply of rare earths and they are also used in comuters. If the use for solar power becomes great enough, the cost will suddenly skyrocket due to the rarity of certain materials (IF these cells are using rare earths, that is). Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: LHC?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: I'm surprised that the start up of the LHC at CERN hasn't been mentioned on this forum. We should Google it and remind ourselves of things that can end up being really important. For the first time in a generation physicists will have new data to compare against new theories. Depending on what they do or don't find there, there might be an awful lot of Unified Field charts heading for the trash can. If Unified Field charts have to be trashed where does that leave MUM and the TMO? Will they be able to raise millions to keep themselves in crowns, gowns and live satellite shows if there's no Higgs Boson? It sounds like you're jumping the gun a little bit. We should wait and find out what the scientists discover. ** It's ridiculous to think that by smashing stuff together, you can know anything worth knowing. In any event, the LHC is only 1/3 as powerful as the cancelled superconducting supercollider, so big science guys will soon start pissing and moaning about building even bigger toys when the LHC doesn't do anything but expand physics' field of ignorance. Funny, my late uncle use to make a living blowing up explosives and using the sound waves to determine what might be underground. Was so experienced in his field that oil companies were stil hiring him into his late 60's even though he had no degree in the topic (learned it during WWII in the Army Corps of Engineers, I believe). So yes, you CAN learn stuff by smashing stuff. Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVp9i4QIUUU --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 7:12 PM On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:48 PM, ddeadlus wrote: Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. When you get pointing out instructions [of the nondual] from a legit master, they'll typically 'clue you in' to the new 'space' you're just beginning to grok--so I'd offer up those 4 sutras of pith advice: It's too close, you can’t recognize it. It's too profound, you can’t appreciate it. It's too simple, you can’t believe it. It's too good, you can’t accept it. What's it and what's you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] End of the world?
McCain/Palin wins the election? After a short while, McCain has to resign due to deteriorating health? Palin becomes the President of The US of A? She starts THE war with Russia? Finis Americae et Russiae et Europae et...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: LHC?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: I'm surprised that the start up of the LHC at CERN hasn't been mentioned on this forum. We should Google it and remind ourselves of things that can end up being really important. For the first time in a generation physicists will have new data to compare against new theories. Depending on what they do or don't find there, there might be an awful lot of Unified Field charts heading for the trash can. If Unified Field charts have to be trashed where does that leave MUM and the TMO? Will they be able to raise millions to keep themselves in crowns, gowns and live satellite shows if there's no Higgs Boson? It sounds like you're jumping the gun a little bit. We should wait and find out what the scientists discover. ** It's ridiculous to think that by smashing stuff together, you can know anything worth knowing. In any event, the LHC is only 1/3 as powerful as the cancelled superconducting supercollider, so big science guys will soon start pissing and moaning about building even bigger toys when the LHC doesn't do anything but expand physics' field of ignorance. Funny, my late uncle use to make a living blowing up explosives and using the sound waves to determine what might be underground. Was so experienced in his field that oil companies were stil hiring him into his late 60's even though he had no degree in the topic (learned it during WWII in the Army Corps of Engineers, I believe). So yes, you CAN learn stuff by smashing stuff. Lawson * Well, you can find pockets of oil and you can smash eggs to make omelettes, but the subtlest aspects of creation are not going to divined by hurling protons -- all that happens is that the laundry list of elementary particles grows longer. There's a siddhi for gettin real small -- someday somebody will give a description of subtle creation through this siddhi, if these details are still relevant to people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: LHC?
Don't think that the ME *requires* there to be a Higgs-Boson. Hagelin may use his own interpretation of SuperString to explain what he believes is evidence for the ME, but that his explanation might be unsupported doesn't change the evidence... and even if there IS a higgs-bson (whatever is means in this context), doesn't mean that the ME evidence is any good either. Quite right the ME doesn't really require a Higgs-Boson because people believe in it without any evidence at all. But one of the critical things required to sustain that belief in the absence of good evidence is a good story spun about there being a unified field. If the LHC doesn't find evidence for a Higgs or for supersymmetry then unified field theories are a write off. All those charts with higgsinos and photinos in them will have to be shredded. By presenting an argument for the ME based even tenuously on science rather than faith alone, Hagelin has left himself open to being contradicted in very clear terms. The strategy of the TMO requires being able to present a vaguely plausible argument for the ME so it can extract large donations from people to keep itself alive. Depending on the outcomes of the LHC experiments that argument might vanish. In effect the TMO has bet the ranch on the outcome of the LHC experiments. It'll never be possible to gather evidence against the ME, the theory itself can't be falsified. If good things happen it's an effect of the ME, and if bad things happen then that's the ME causing some purification. There's no way for people to escape a wrong idea. By arguing that the ME is a consequence of some unified field however, then things get very hard to keep going if evidence shows there isn't one. If something Hagelin has been very certain about turns out to be wrong then it opens up all kinds of questions about what else might be wrong. People might start scratching their heads and asking say is there any real evidence for the ME? or what's all this business of multiplying p values together, isn't that a really dumb freshman mistake? or Err hold on a minute I've been giving money to these people where has it all gone? We don't know what's going to happen, but a negative result has big consequences for the TMO. Different scientists give different estimates of the likelihood of finding evidence for the Higgs and supersymmetry. None of them say it's 100% because good scientists are always ready for their theories to be contradicted by the evidence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: LHC?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, you CAN learn stuff by smashing stuff. Lawson * Well, you can find pockets of oil and you can smash eggs to make omelettes, but the subtlest aspects of creation are not going to divined by hurling protons -- all that happens is that the laundry list of elementary particles grows longer. There's a siddhi for gettin real small -- Yep, aNimaadipraadurbhaavaH[1] (apperence of aNimaa and other mahaa-siddhis), which is a result of bhuuta-jaya: sthuulasvaruupasuukshmaanvayaarthavattvasa.nyamaad.h *bhuutajayaH* .. 44.. tato.*aNimaadipraadurbhaavaH* kaayasa.npat.h taddharmaanabhighaatashcha .. 45.. 1. praa-dur-bhaavaH: appearing at(?) the door(dur)
[FairfieldLife] Well, paalin?
SaraH PAlin is a religious fanatic of the worst kind, and thus a potential member of the government inside government (Clinton?). Thus, it's prolly no accident that 'paalin' in Sanskrit means: pAlin mfn. protecting , guarding , keeping S3ukas. BhP. Light thickens and the crow makes wing to the rooky wood. Good things of day begin to droope and drowse. -Launchy Hog?
[FairfieldLife] The United Nation - a compilation
As we approach the 60th anniversary of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights (10 December 1948), we present a selection of quotations on the theme of `The United Nations' from Maitreya (Messages from Maitreya the Christ, and Maitreya's Teachings The Laws of Life), Benjamin Creme's Master (A Master Speaks), and Benjamin Creme's writings. (We include an excerpt from the compilation.) The United Nations will become the most powerful political force in the world. It will be the agency through which all major international problems will be resolved. (Maitreya, Share International, September 1989) The United Nations Organisation has formulated a code of human rights which, if implemented, would go far to resolve the existing social tensions, and to provide the basis for a just and stable society. So far, this Universal Declaration of Human Rights remains but a dream for millions of dispossessed and disfranchised people in every country in the world. The aim must be to establish, with all possible speed, these basic rights in all nations. With the acceptance of the principle of sharing this becomes possible. No longer need men fight for the right to work, to feed their families, for a measure of control over their destinies. At a stroke, the acceptance of sharing will heal the divisions, end the confrontations and cure the malady of the present situation, leading men out of the morass in which they have foundered. Make sharing then the goal of your endeavour. Show that the world now needs, more than ever in its history, the establishment of this just and basic principle, through the acceptance of which alone man will find and demonstrate his divinity. (Benjamin Creme's Master, from `Human rights') I shall show you that the way for Man is the way of brotherhood, close co-operation and mutual trust and service. This is the only way. All else has failed. My friends, unless Man can do this, Man on this Earth will cease to be. I threaten not but simply state the truth. There is but little time left to restore the balance of nature and the world. Make it your primary task to release to all men the wherewithal to exist in human dignity, as Sons of God, Brothers all. Make over, in trust for all men, the produce of the world to the nations of the world. Do this today as free men and reap the glory tomorrow as True Sons of God. (Maitreya, Message No. 12) The United Nations is slowly coming into its own as the maintainer of peace in the world. At present, it is reluctant to accept the role of world policeman, and governments everywhere balk at the cost involved. But until world peace is assured through sharing and the implementation of justice, such a responsibility must be accepted. Its future role is to become, not a world government, but the world parliament, where problems can be discussed and resolved peacefully. (Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Mission Volume Three) The purpose, goal and aim of the United Nations is and must be to serve the cause of humanity and not to become a political force controlled by the strong. Neither America nor the Soviet Union can ever rule the entire world. It is becoming a powerful institution that will be able to watch over the welfare of the world. (Maitreya, The Laws of Life) Gradually, slowly, step by hesitant step, the United Nations is coming into its own, donning bravely the responsible mantle of power. It represents the rallying point for the highest aspirations of men for justice and peace and must be prepared to act to ensure their preservation. Nothing less will guarantee a future free from the threat of fratricidal war. War, today, must be made illegal and the instigators answerable to Law. The nations must be prepared to enforce the law and to accept the price of action. Until true and lasting peace is assured such policing of the world remains the sole recourse. (Benjamin Creme's Master, from `The mantle of power') What is the solution to the massive upheavals and tragedies taking place all over the world? Just as the politicians sent huge armies to defend the 4-5 million people of Kuwait to protect its non-existent democracy, so they should send armies to Africa where millions upon millions of people are suffering. Their suffering is a direct result of the mischievous politics of African politicians who have been given arms and ammunition by the West and the Soviet Union. Where are the Europeans, the Americans and the Soviets now? Not in Africa or the Third World, because these areas have nothing to offer in oil or revenue. They call themselves the defenders of democracy and peace. But Maitreya calls them the Pretenders. They do nothing because there is nothing in it for them. It is not God who causes such calamities. The blame should be pinned firmly upon the politicians. The answer has to be that the United Nations should send armies to protect the people of Africa and drive out the
[FairfieldLife] Palin's Demon Haunted Churches
There were 4 of these voodoo Christians outside the dome at program time years ago, chanting off to the side. A negative energy came from them and hit me in the stomach as I walked innocently by. Palin's Demon Haunted Churches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLX7hGXVRDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLX7hGXVRDE OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: LHC?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't think that the ME *requires* there to be a Higgs-Boson. Hagelin may use his own interpretation of SuperString to explain what he believes is evidence for the ME, but that his explanation might be unsupported doesn't change the evidence... and even if there IS a higgs-bson (whatever is means in this context), doesn't mean that the ME evidence is any good either. Quite right the ME doesn't really require a Higgs-Boson because people believe in it without any evidence at all. But one of the critical things required to sustain that belief in the absence of good evidence is a good story spun about there being a unified field. If the LHC doesn't find evidence for a Higgs or for supersymmetry then unified field theories are a write off. All those charts with higgsinos and photinos in them will have to be shredded. By presenting an argument for the ME based even tenuously on science rather than faith alone, Hagelin has left himself open to being contradicted in very clear terms. The strategy of the TMO requires being able to present a vaguely plausible argument for the ME so it can extract large donations from people to keep itself alive. Depending on the outcomes of the LHC experiments that argument might vanish. In effect the TMO has bet the ranch on the outcome of the LHC experiments. It'll never be possible to gather evidence against the ME, the theory itself can't be falsified. Any more than any OTHER major theory can be. However, you can falsify parts f it. FOr example, if new techniques were developed to look for inter-personal EEG coherence that weren't subject to the ceiling effect that Travis' original research is, you could explore local evidence for the ME that way. If good things happen it's an effect of the ME, and if bad things happen then that's the ME causing some purification. There's no way for people to escape a wrong idea. By arguing that the ME is a consequence of some unified field however, then things get very hard to keep going if evidence shows there isn't one. If something Hagelin has been very certain about turns out to be wrong then it opens up all kinds of questions about what else might be wrong. People might start scratching their heads and asking say is there any real evidence for the ME? or what's all this business of multiplying p values together, isn't that a really dumb freshman mistake? or Err hold on a minute I've been giving money to these people where has it all gone? Well, don't know if dumb freshman mistakes were made, but I honestly don't have the math background to evaluate Hagelin's research. DO you? We don't know what's going to happen, but a negative result has big consequences for the TMO. Different scientists give different estimates of the likelihood of finding evidence for the Higgs and supersymmetry. None of them say it's 100% because good scientists are always ready for their theories to be contradicted by the evidence. Sure. ANd Hagelin definitely has entered the realm of religious belief with many of his pronouncements, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palin's Demon Haunted Churches
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were 4 of these voodoo Christians outside the dome at program time years ago, chanting off to the side. A negative energy came from them and hit me in the stomach as I walked innocently by. I'm sure they said the same about you Palin's Demon Haunted Churches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLX7hGXVRDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLX7hGXVRDE OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment
Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all the mental constructs about pure consciousness and Realization confront the absolute experiential reality of no-content, no-self, no-boundary, pure absence of any-thing. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:48 PM Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
That interview was jaw-dropping. She thinks conviction and enthusiasm will make-up for total lack of knowledge. No wonder the McCain camp is keeping her on a tight leash. I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, she is far, far removed from presidential material. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:17 PM On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:45 PM, do.rflex wrote: Good Lord! This is like watching a rank amateur on the Gong Show. US foreign policy is NOT cheerleader tryouts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU The Repugs sure know how to pick em. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Lars Ulrich slightly sucks?
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/larsulrichcreepingdeath.html Based on some 20 seconds of that video he might be one of the most inaccurate drummers I've ever heard! :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raunchy Dog is a SHE????
I LOVE Sal and her Sunshine. We soar in bright skies, breathing fresh prana-infused air - as opposed to you and your canine, who in search of self, scour the soil and pause to savor the aroma of pungent feces. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Some think she should be banned. Some think leniency would be a nice gesture 'cause she's new. (These opinions include emails sent to me outside FFL.) I try to be fair but not rigid with this. I didn't ban Shemp last week because he made an innocent tallying mistake. Here's what I'll do this time. I won't ban her, but if she goes over again she'll be out for two weeks. And she can't post again this week 'cause she's already over the limit. Raunchy Dog is a SHE I think I'm in love! She's like the anti-Sal Sunshine!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raunchy Dog is a SHE????
raunchydog is not a she. She is a he pretending to be a she. I vote we send her back to her kennel where she can lie in her own filth and scratch her fleas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raunchy Dog is a SHE I think I'm in love! She's like the anti-Sal Sunshine!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
from the New York Times today, on the interview with Palin: At a separate event on Thursday, a deployment ceremony for her son Track and thousands of other soldiers heading to Iraq from Fort Wainwright, Alaska, Ms. Palin told them they would be fighting the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans. This is a stupid, ignorant, dangerous woman. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That interview was jaw-dropping. She thinks conviction and enthusiasm will make-up for total lack of knowledge. No wonder the McCain camp is keeping her on a tight leash. I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, she is far, far removed from presidential material. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:17 PM On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:45 PM, do.rflex wrote: Good Lord! This is like watching a rank amateur on the Gong Show. US foreign policy is NOT cheerleader tryouts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU The Repugs sure know how to pick em. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Raunchy Dog Hiatus?
Admit it, Rick, you've got a soft sort for dogs and a soft spot for raunchy seekers. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raunchy Dog Hiatus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 1:36 PM Some think she should be banned. Some think leniency would be a nice gesture ‘cause she’s new. (These opinions include emails sent to me outside FFL.) I try to be fair but not rigid with this. I didn’t ban Shemp last week because he made an innocent tallying mistake. Here’s what I’ll do this time. I won’t ban her, but if she goes over again she’ll be out for two weeks. And she can’t post again this week ‘cause she’s already over the limit.
[FairfieldLife] Swami Beyondananda in Fairfield! Sept. 20, 7:30 PM Morning Star Studio
From a friend: I saw him when he was here years ago and I laughed so hard it hurt, literally..if you like to laugh, do not miss this guy... His Wackiness, Swami Beyondananda is coming to Fairfield and will answer your burning (or tepid) questions about the meaning of life and other cosmic stuff. Saturday, Sept. 20, 7:30 PM - Morning Star Studio only $7 at the door. Fax Gilbert and Jan Hicks Rutt open the show. Hope you can come! Please pass this on! -- 641-472-2301 641-919-5449 904 Fairview Drive Fairfield, IA 52556 taking it as it comes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Yoga Information
What are you talking about my friend? And spelling and Grammar? Ho?? --- On Fri, 12/9/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Yoga Information To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 12 September, 2008, 1:56 AM On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Free Yoga Information wrote: We would like to take opportunity to provide Latest Yoga Information for Free. As Yoga is now becoming very much popular in all over the world. It is very much important to know everything about Yoga and try to implement it to take its benifits. Yoga is an ancient art of living with peace of mind and honesty of soul.Yoga can heal your mental stress and keeps you away from Doctors!!! Yoga is stress relieving and happiness provider. It seems the least a spammer could do is learn correct grammerand speling. Sal Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger.yahoo.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Yoga Information
Yes I totally Agree with you --- On Fri, 12/9/08, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Yoga Information To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 12 September, 2008, 2:09 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ ... wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Free Yoga Information wrote: We would like to take opportunity to provide Latest Yoga Information for Free. As Yoga is now becoming very much popular in all over the world. It is very much important to know everything about Yoga and try to implement it to take its benifits. Yoga is an ancient art of living with peace of mind and honesty of soul.Yoga can heal your mental stress and keeps you away from Doctors!!! Yoga is stress relieving and happiness provider. It seems the least a spammer could do is learn correct grammer and speling. All ya gotta do is read it with a heavy Indian accent, and it all flows perfectly. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
Look, I agree, she did not look too good in the interview. Not that Gibson wasn't pretty demeaning in his attitude towars her. But isn't the definiton of Al Quida pretty much what is described below? If that is not the definiton of Al Quida, please advise what is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the New York Times today, on the interview with Palin: At a separate event on Thursday, a deployment ceremony for her son Track and thousands of other soldiers heading to Iraq from Fort Wainwright, Alaska, Ms. Palin told them they would be fighting the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans. This is a stupid, ignorant, dangerous woman. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: That interview was jaw-dropping. She thinks conviction and enthusiasm will make-up for total lack of knowledge. No wonder the McCain camp is keeping her on a tight leash. I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, she is far, far removed from presidential material. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:17 PM On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:45 PM, do.rflex wrote: Good Lord! This is like watching a rank amateur on the Gong Show. US foreign policy is NOT cheerleader tryouts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU The Repugs sure know how to pick em. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
She's linking 9/11 with Iraq, which is a Big Lie that even the Bush administration has stopped repeating. Al Qaeda in Iraq is not the Al Qaeda that, according to some people, attacked us on 9/11. Palin is an ignoramus. However, she will probably be our next-but-one president because she is ruthless, ambitious, vindictive, a bigot and a liar, and full of the kind of unreflective self-confidence that only the truly ignorant and stupid can possess. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I agree, she did not look too good in the interview. Not that Gibson wasn't pretty demeaning in his attitude towars her. But isn't the definiton of Al Quida pretty much what is described below? If that is not the definiton of Al Quida, please advise what is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: from the New York Times today, on the interview with Palin: At a separate event on Thursday, a deployment ceremony for her son Track and thousands of other soldiers heading to Iraq from Fort Wainwright, Alaska, Ms. Palin told them they would be fighting the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans. This is a stupid, ignorant, dangerous woman. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: That interview was jaw-dropping. She thinks conviction and enthusiasm will make-up for total lack of knowledge. No wonder the McCain camp is keeping her on a tight leash. I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, she is far, far removed from presidential material. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:17 PM On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:45 PM, do.rflex wrote: Good Lord! This is like watching a rank amateur on the Gong Show. US foreign policy is NOT cheerleader tryouts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU The Repugs sure know how to pick em. Sal
[FairfieldLife] 2081 -- Just in time to smarten up America
So far, the best comments I've read, period, about Sarah Palin came from film critic (and Pulitzer Prize winner) Roger Ebert: I think I might be able to explain some of Sarah Palin's appeal. She's the 'American Idol' candidate. Consider. What defines an 'American Idol' finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason 'American Idol' gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show! Sometimes it takes a film critic to pin down what's wrong with politics, and why people have allowed it to happen. Political audiences have allowed the dumbing down of their candidates for high public office for *exactly* the same reason that audiences have allowed the dumbing down of TV, and have allowed travesties like American Idol to become popular. It's as if seeing all those stupid people on TV makes the audiences feel smarter. Kurt Vonnegut dealt with this phenomenon a different way many years ago in his near-prescient short story Harrison Bergeron. That story postulated a future America in which everyone was equal because the govern- ment *forced* them to be equal. It was Politically Correct Run Amock years before there was such a term as politically correct. In Vonnegut's future world, if you are stronger than the median level of strength that has been decreed as the standard, you have to wear weights to compensate, so that you can't possibly outperform anyone else. If you're more beautiful than others, you have to wear a mask. You get the picture. Well, it's about to be a picture, called 2081. I just saw the trailer for it, and so can you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHzFWkH0Po I think it's a timely film to come out during this election, because this future world is exactly what one of the parties in that election is appealing to. They've given Americans two candidates who couldn't possibly BE more median and mediocre -- John McCain and Sarah Palin. And what's happening? A surprising number of potential voters are actually *drawn* to these insufferably stupid and unprepared-for-high-office candidates. It's as if they think they're voting for the next winners of American Idol, not the President and Vice-President of the potentially most scary nation on earth. This dumb-and-proud-of-it thing has really got to STOP, America! It's not just laughable any more; it's turning dangerous. Hopefully, films like 2081 will do some- thing to up the collective IQ a little bit. It's for damned sure that the Republican Party won't. And that's 50 and out for me...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
--- On Fri, 9/12/08, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...unreflective self-confidence that only the truly ignorant and stupid can possess. You said it right there, feste.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Nanosolar's Breakthrough - Solar Now Cheaper than Coal NO
Also requires subsidies so I am NOT @ present 4 this technology as presently introduced by this company. however it is a good step or even several steps forward. This is a reply to a querry of mine. I obtained the reply from my cousin who was head of British Petroleum's solar program till recently. Harry Shimp. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/12/2008 8:57:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: RE: [FairfieldLife] Nanosolarapos;s Breakthrough - Solar Now Cheaper than Coal |... Bill: Nanosolar has been raising money in the venture capital community for quite some time. The PV chemistry they employ is “CIGS” (copper indium gallium di-selenide), a compound semiconductor that has shown promising laboratory efficiencies (see list below). Other companies are working with CIGS, but Nanosolar does have a unique deposition process. PV TypeLaboratory Efficiency Product Efficiency Producability Crystalline silicon (standard) 24% 15-21%Excellent Silicon TF (“thin film”) 12% 6-10%Very Good Cadmium Telluride TF16% 12% Good CIGS TF 20% 14% Not Demonstrated The big issue that the article doesn’t mention is the cost of installation. For today’s commercial size (100kw) crystalline silicon systems, the modules are selling at $3.50/watt and the installation is about the same – total cost $7.00/watt. The other technologies (including CIGS) operate at a lower efficiency, so one has to install more panels, leading to higher install costs. The net result is that thin films are only being installed in very large “ PV Power Parks” – over 1 megawatt – where they can hold down installation costs. The bad news there is PV makes no sense in a centralized power generation mode (competing against coal at $0.025/kwh), it only works in a distributed power model (competing against delivered power at $0.10 - $0.15/kwh). If you have to put it over the grid, it’s hopeless – unless the government heavily subsidizes it. Bottom line, CIGS is a very interesting technology, but it’s not yet ready for prime time. The company press is grossly misleading. Harry B. Shimp Charon Industries wk: 440.893.9802 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Nanosolar's Breakthrough - Solar Now Cheaper than Coal |... Do U believe it what think U re this? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: 9/11/2008 3:11:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: [FairfieldLife] Nanosolarapos;s Breakthrough - Solar Now Cheaper than Coal | celsias° On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Rick Archer wrote: _http://www.celsias.com/article/nanosolars-breakthrough-technology-solar-now-c heap/_ (http://www.celsias.com/article/nanosolars-breakthrough-technology-solar-now-cheap/) I've been following Nanosolar with great interest for the last couple of years. The only disturbing thing is the comment at the very bottom: But, despite such advances, _congress is trying to remove tax incentives for renewable energy_ (http://www.celsias.com/2007/11/23/congress-trying-to-remove-renewable-energy-tax-credits/) Does this represent the will of the American people? I strongly doubt it! Instead it represents the corpocracy we've become: USA, Inc. Pt...Have you heard the news? _There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com_ (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) . **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:25 PM, do.rflex wrote: Looks like Jim Flanegan is back for another poking. He sure knows how to pick names: deadlust, Sandi Ego... deadlust sure sounds life dualist to me... I read ddeadlus as either Daedalus - In Greek mythology, Daedalus (Latin, also Hellenized Latin Daedalos, Greek Daidalos (#916;#945;#943;#948;#945;#955;#959;#962;) meaning cunning worker, and Etruscan Taitle) was a most skillful artificer, or craftsman, so skillful that he was said to have invented images that seemed to move about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daedalus - or the Dedalus of James Joyce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Dedalus
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Fri, 9/12/08, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...unreflective self-confidence that only the truly ignorant and stupid can possess. You said it right there, feste. Its bad enough to instigate and promote lies as does the current administration. But its truly scary when a VP candidate -- or anyone on national level -- actually believes the lies -- and cannot distinguish the crap they are fed from actual truth. As Krugman said this morning: What it says, I'd argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse. = September 12, 2008 Op-Ed Columnist Blizzard of Lies By PAUL KRUGMAN Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, Thanks, but no thanks when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere? These stories have two things in common: they're all claims recently made by the McCain campaign and they're all out-and-out lies. Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 my first year at The Times trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign's claims about taxes, spending and Social Security. But I can't think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign's lies in 2000 were artful you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again. Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn't say no thanks she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative. Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn't righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere. So the whole story of Ms. Palin's alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction. Or take the story of Mr. Obama's alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for age and developmentally appropriate education; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators. And then there's the claim that Mr. Obama's use of the ordinary metaphor putting lipstick on a pig was a sexist smear, and on and on. Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they're probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being balanced at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn't say that he's wrong, it reports that some Democrats say that he's wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty. They're probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being McCain campaign lies, it becomes Obama on defensive in face of attacks. Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign's lies? I mean, politics ain't beanbag, and all that. One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years. But there's another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern. I'm not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team's ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary. I'm talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all the mental constructs about pure consciousness and Realization confront the absolute experiential reality of no-content, no-self, no-boundary, pure absence of any-thing. Ah, Being and Nothingness. Someone ought to write a book. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:48 PM Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] A tribute to Maharishi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUzKoIt5aM A message that both MUM and the disaffected need to hear. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] A tribute to Maharishi To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 12:13 PM http://tinyurl. com/6jsdeh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I agree, she did not look too good in the interview. Not that Gibson wasn't pretty demeaning in his attitude towars her. But isn't the definiton of Al Quida pretty much what is described below? If that is not the definiton of Al Quida, please advise what is. As Judy might say, non sequitur: AL Qaeda wasn't present in Iraq before we got there, and while there is SOME presence now, its not as big as it was becaus everyone in Iraq has wised up to their craziness and wants them gone. They are responsible for most of the suicide bombing attacks in IRaq but, fighting them in Iraq is rather strange, because they are all foreigners anyway, according to Whitehouse.gov. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: from the New York Times today, on the interview with Palin: At a separate event on Thursday, a deployment ceremony for her son Track and thousands of other soldiers heading to Iraq from Fort Wainwright, Alaska, Ms. Palin told them they would be fighting the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans. This is a stupid, ignorant, dangerous woman. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: That interview was jaw-dropping. She thinks conviction and enthusiasm will make-up for total lack of knowledge. No wonder the McCain camp is keeping her on a tight leash. I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, she is far, far removed from presidential material. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:17 PM On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:45 PM, do.rflex wrote: Good Lord! This is like watching a rank amateur on the Gong Show. US foreign policy is NOT cheerleader tryouts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU The Repugs sure know how to pick em. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:42 AM, new.morning wrote: Ah, Being and Nothingness. Someone ought to write a book. Yeah, The Dummies' Guide To Being And Nothingness-- a sure best-seller... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:48 PM, ddeadlus wrote: Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. When you get pointing out instructions [of the nondual] from a legit master, they'll typically 'clue you in' to the new 'space' you're just beginning to grok--so I'd offer up those 4 sutras of pith advice: It's too close, you can't recognize it. It's too profound, you can't appreciate it. It's too simple, you can't believe it. It's too good, you can't accept it. What's it and what's you? Alright, let the fun begin. So the pith advice is useful depending on what the previous misconceptions are/were. I can relate to realizing that it was so close I could not recognize it. This did not happen once, but over and over again and deeper and deeper layers of connection happened. In fact, on a relative level, I don't see any reason why that process would ever need to end. In terms of being too profound, I can sure as hell appreciate how profound it is, even if the profundity of it gets deeper and deeper over time... In terms of simplicity. I always knew it was simple. It was a gut feeling, so there was no surprise there. It's true that a lot of feelings of unworthiness have been coming out and are still coming out. At this point, it's the reality either way, so it's really the feelings coming out because it's the case whether I want to accept it or not and there's no ability to deny that (not that I would want to). What's 'it' and what's 'you'? I don't know and it's a moot point now because there's only one thing, but it is a good question so I'll attempt to answer it. Any conception of I I had before was limited. I cannot conceive of an I that is not limited in some form, even if it's a really cosmic expanded, near infinite I, which is what I was feeling before. Having the I gone means no separation at all fundamentally speaking because and idea of an I creates a concept of not-I which is inaccurate. Yet it is obviously not foreign, because that would also imply separateness from me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Well, I'm not actually Jim Flanegin, but it doesn't really matter to me either way... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. Looks like Jim Flanegan is back for another poking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:25 PM, do.rflex wrote: Looks like Jim Flanegan is back for another poking. He sure knows how to pick names: deadlust, Sandi Ego... Sal Hmmm...I never thought of that. Actually it was a variation on Daedalus, the maker of the labyrinth in greek mythology. I created all of this after all (not as an individual of course, but I created my appearance of individuality too) :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny also. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all the mental constructs about pure consciousness and Realization confront the absolute experiential reality of no-content, no-self, no-boundary, pure absence of any-thing. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:48 PM Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: LHC?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: I'm surprised that the start up of the LHC at CERN hasn't been mentioned on this forum. It would have been if I wasn't so busy right now! We should Google it and remind ourselves of things that can end up being really important. For the first time in a generation physicists will have new data to compare against new theories. Depending on what they do or don't find there, there might be an awful lot of Unified Field charts heading for the trash can. If Unified Field charts have to be trashed where does that leave MUM and the TMO? Will they be able to raise millions to keep themselves in crowns, gowns and live satellite shows if there's no Higgs Boson? It sounds like you're jumping the gun a little bit. We should wait and find out what the scientists discover. ** It's ridiculous to think that by smashing stuff together, you can know anything worth knowing. It's only by doing this that you can learn anything worth knowing. The alerternative is the vedic idea that we can gain truth about reality from looking inside our heads. I don't believe this is possible and have seen no evidence whatsoever that vedic UF theories correspond to reality. The three gunas are NOT part of particle physics no matter what MUM tells you. It would be funny if they find something like it though, but they won't find anything definitive with the LHC as it isn't powerful enough to confirm or deny string theory as Higgs or supersymmetry could imply one of the other theories is correct and ST (if it's real) is merely a pointer to another layer. GF is right the TMO has a lot resting on this, but given that JH has done nothing but talk crap about this for years I'm sure he'll fit whatever results into the ongoing mythos and everyone will accept his word because they won't have a contradictory viewpoint. In any event, the LHC is only 1/3 as powerful as the cancelled superconducting supercollider, so big science guys will soon start pissing and moaning about building even bigger toys when the LHC doesn't do anything but expand physics' field of ignorance. Maybe it will find something amazing, maybe not. But you have to look as theoretical physics is at a dead end and has been for many years. It's a stepping stone to the next one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Yeah, I watched Jon Stewart and I thought he was pretty funny also. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny also. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all the mental constructs about pure consciousness and Realization confront the absolute experiential reality of no-content, no-self, no-boundary, pure absence of any-thing. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:48 PM Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:42 AM, new.morning wrote: Ah, Being and Nothingness. Someone ought to write a book. Yeah, The Dummies' Guide To Being And Nothingness-- a sure best-seller... Sal Hey, _Bioinformatics for Dummies_ is a popular book in the field. Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
On Sep 12, 2008, at 10:21 AM, ddeadlus wrote: Hmmm...I never thought of that. Actually it was a variation on Daedalus, the maker of the labyrinth in greek mythology. I thought he was the father of Icarus, who flew too close to the sun and his wings melted. Oh, well, whatever works...Anyway, if you're not Jim Flanegin, I apologize and welcome. I created all of this after all (not as an individual of course, but I created my appearance of individuality too) :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
On Sep 12, 2008, at 10:37 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:42 AM, new.morning wrote: Ah, Being and Nothingness. Someone ought to write a book. Yeah, The Dummies' Guide To Being And Nothingness-- a sure best-seller... Sal Hey, _Bioinformatics for Dummies_ is a popular book in the field. Why am I not surprised? Only in America! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Wow, a bit bitter aren't we? Cheer up, it's a brand new morning. You have a point though. Jon Stewart IS funny. Also, the thing about writing books about being and nothing is a pretty much what every legitimate spiritual book is about. Note, we're not really nothing, but we're not anything at all either. This is because anything at all implies boundaries, which there aren't any. But I digress. It's not that it's hard to be what we really are (do we have a choice?). The hard part is letting go of our insistance that our emotional ideas of how it is are correct instead of actually examining them. Examining them is extremely painful though, and I don't think anyone would really do it unless they didn't have a choice. I sincerely wanted this and did the work, went through the pain or however you want to phrase it, but when it came to actually letting huge chunks of myself go, I couldn't want it, but it happened anyway because I set myself up and it hurt way too much not to let it go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I watched Jon Stewart and I thought he was pretty funny also. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny also. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all the mental constructs about pure consciousness and Realization confront the absolute experiential reality of no-content, no-self, no-boundary, pure absence of any-thing. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:48 PM Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:48 PM, ddeadlus wrote: Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. When you get pointing out instructions [of the nondual] from a legit master, they'll typically 'clue you in' to the new 'space' you're just beginning to grok--so I'd offer up those 4 sutras of pith advice: It's too close, you can't recognize it. It's too profound, you can't appreciate it. It's too simple, you can't believe it. It's too good, you can't accept it. What's it and what's you? Alright, let the fun begin. So the pith advice is useful depending on what the previous misconceptions are/were. I can relate to realizing that it was so close I could not recognize it. This did not happen once, but over and over again and deeper and deeper layers of connection happened. In fact, on a relative level, I don't see any reason why that process would ever need to end. In terms of being too profound, I can sure as hell appreciate how profound it is, even if the profundity of it gets deeper and deeper over time... In terms of simplicity. I always knew it was simple. It was a gut feeling, so there was no surprise there. It's true that a lot of feelings of unworthiness have been coming out and are still coming out. At this point, it's the reality either way, so it's really the feelings coming out because it's the case whether I want to accept it or not and there's no ability to deny that (not that I would want to). What's 'it' and what's 'you'? I don't know and it's a moot point now because there's only one thing, but it is a good question so I'll attempt to answer it. Any conception of I I had before was limited. I cannot conceive of an I that is not limited in some form, even if it's a really cosmic expanded, near infinite I, which is what I was feeling before. Having the I gone means no separation at all fundamentally speaking because and idea of an I creates a concept of not-I which is inaccurate. Yet it is obviously not foreign, because that would also imply separateness from me. ...And the Look at me, I'm an enlightened guy performance continues. What is it, Act III or Act IV?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Ooh! Yeah! That's it! Really tell me how it is. Tell me the story of how I must be pretending to be Enlightened because no one who was actually enlightened would want to talk about it. That's a great concept right there! Seriously. But what if it was true...? Naah. That's not possible, right? Anyway, I don't know why you would say Act III or IV. It's only been a day or so. Maybe 5 minutes of posts altogether, that's not even enough to make a significant fraction a television episode, let alone an act of a play. But to answer completely honestly, an Enlightened individual is an oxymoron. The way the term is legitimately used is that the individual knows that it's really not about him. Now, how well the individual knows depends on the extent he examines his experience after Enlightenment. Oh, and Enlightenment doesn't make someone a better person either. This isn't a particularly great analogy, but it's like if all of life was a basketball game and you are a genius at astrophysics. It might be nice to have that potential, but it doesn't necessarily make you a good basketball player, so no specialness is actually conferred in practice. Not that I'm saying I'm any good as basketball or astrophysics mind you... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:48 PM, ddeadlus wrote: Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. When you get pointing out instructions [of the nondual] from a legit master, they'll typically 'clue you in' to the new 'space' you're just beginning to grok--so I'd offer up those 4 sutras of pith advice: It's too close, you can't recognize it. It's too profound, you can't appreciate it. It's too simple, you can't believe it. It's too good, you can't accept it. What's it and what's you? Alright, let the fun begin. So the pith advice is useful depending on what the previous misconceptions are/were. I can relate to realizing that it was so close I could not recognize it. This did not happen once, but over and over again and deeper and deeper layers of connection happened. In fact, on a relative level, I don't see any reason why that process would ever need to end. In terms of being too profound, I can sure as hell appreciate how profound it is, even if the profundity of it gets deeper and deeper over time... In terms of simplicity. I always knew it was simple. It was a gut feeling, so there was no surprise there. It's true that a lot of feelings of unworthiness have been coming out and are still coming out. At this point, it's the reality either way, so it's really the feelings coming out because it's the case whether I want to accept it or not and there's no ability to deny that (not that I would want to). What's 'it' and what's 'you'? I don't know and it's a moot point now because there's only one thing, but it is a good question so I'll attempt to answer it. Any conception of I I had before was limited. I cannot conceive of an I that is not limited in some form, even if it's a really cosmic expanded, near infinite I, which is what I was feeling before. Having the I gone means no separation at all fundamentally speaking because and idea of an I creates a concept of not-I which is inaccurate. Yet it is obviously not foreign, because that would also imply separateness from me. ...And the Look at me, I'm an enlightened guy performance continues. What is it, Act III or Act IV?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
I bet Frances McDormand could do a good impression of her. Palin still sounds like a sketch out of SNL. Dream on Repugs. feste37 wrote: Absolutely hopeless. She doesn't know a damn thing, and it clearly shows. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Lord! This is like watching a rank amateur on the Gong Show. US foreign policy is NOT cheerleader tryouts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
Only if you buy the official version of 9-11. I certainly don't buy that version nor do other thinking people. Al-Qaeda was in fact a CIA organized group put together to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. They are an artificial contracted organization designed to keep people in fear so those behind the government can profit from the oil in Iraq and what other profitable wars they can pursue. Don't buy the MSM kool-aid. lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Look, I agree, she did not look too good in the interview. Not that Gibson wasn't pretty demeaning in his attitude towars her. But isn't the definiton of Al Quida pretty much what is described below? If that is not the definiton of Al Quida, please advise what is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the New York Times today, on the interview with Palin: At a separate event on Thursday, a deployment ceremony for her son Track and thousands of other soldiers heading to Iraq from Fort Wainwright, Alaska, Ms. Palin told them they would be fighting the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans. This is a stupid, ignorant, dangerous woman.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2081 -- Just in time to smarten up America
TurquoiseB wrote: So far, the best comments I've read, period, about Sarah Palin came from film critic (and Pulitzer Prize winner) Roger Ebert: I think I might be able to explain some of Sarah Palin's appeal. She's the 'American Idol' candidate. Consider. What defines an 'American Idol' finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason 'American Idol' gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show! Sometimes it takes a film critic to pin down what's wrong with politics, and why people have allowed it to happen. Political audiences have allowed the dumbing down of their candidates for high public office for *exactly* the same reason that audiences have allowed the dumbing down of TV, and have allowed travesties like American Idol to become popular. It's as if seeing all those stupid people on TV makes the audiences feel smarter. Kurt Vonnegut dealt with this phenomenon a different way many years ago in his near-prescient short story Harrison Bergeron. That story postulated a future America in which everyone was equal because the govern- ment *forced* them to be equal. It was Politically Correct Run Amock years before there was such a term as politically correct. In Vonnegut's future world, if you are stronger than the median level of strength that has been decreed as the standard, you have to wear weights to compensate, so that you can't possibly outperform anyone else. If you're more beautiful than others, you have to wear a mask. You get the picture. Well, it's about to be a picture, called 2081. I just saw the trailer for it, and so can you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHzFWkH0Po I think it's a timely film to come out during this election, because this future world is exactly what one of the parties in that election is appealing to. They've given Americans two candidates who couldn't possibly BE more median and mediocre -- John McCain and Sarah Palin. And what's happening? A surprising number of potential voters are actually *drawn* to these insufferably stupid and unprepared-for-high-office candidates. It's as if they think they're voting for the next winners of American Idol, not the President and Vice-President of the potentially most scary nation on earth. This dumb-and-proud-of-it thing has really got to STOP, America! It's not just laughable any more; it's turning dangerous. Hopefully, films like 2081 will do some- thing to up the collective IQ a little bit. It's for damned sure that the Republican Party won't. And that's 50 and out for me... I remember the 1970's PBS version of this story or the short film they made based on it and other Vonnegut stories. Let's hope that a good studio gets distributes it and not one who cuts it all up and dumbs down the message. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1282015/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh! Yeah! That's it! Really tell me how it is. Tell me the story of how I must be pretending to be Enlightened because no one who was actually enlightened would want to talk about it. That's a great concept right there! Seriously. But what if it was true...? Naah. That's not possible, right? Anyway, I don't know why you would say Act III or IV. It's only been a day or so. Maybe 5 minutes of posts altogether, that's not even enough to make a significant fraction a television episode, let alone an act of a play. I don't think anyone really believes you, Jim. [snip same old pitch]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
AL Qaeda wasn't present in Iraq before we got there... Yeah, right: al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir, India, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Morroco, Indonesia, China, Italy, Iran, Spain, Yemen, Britain, France, Germany, the United States, Canada, Sweden, Russia, and Kurdistan, but there were no Al Qaeda in Iraq? That doesn't even make any sense, Lawson. There were probably thousands of AL Qaeda in Irag before the invasion. Al Qaeda is an ideology! From what I've read, Osama bin Laden himself may have been in Iraq at one time. Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded. Full story: 'Key findings on al-Qaeda' BBC News, Wednesday, 16 June, 2004 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3813453.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: Ooh! Yeah! That's it! Really tell me how it is. Tell me the story of how I must be pretending to be Enlightened because no one who was actually enlightened would want to talk about it. That's a great concept right there! Seriously. But what if it was true...? Naah. That's not possible, right? Anyway, I don't know why you would say Act III or IV. It's only been a day or so. Maybe 5 minutes of posts altogether, that's not even enough to make a significant fraction a television episode, let alone an act of a play. I don't think anyone really believes you, Jim. I certainly believe him. IF it's Jim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...And the Look at me, I'm an enlightened guy performance continues. What is it, Act III or Act IV? Your attitude surprises me do... or perhaps not. Nothing surprises me about yankees anymore I suppose. What if what this fellow is saying is correct, why don't you instead ask him some interesting questions instead of simply denouncing him ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. When it comes to people's internal states I feel like Dennis Miller (before he became an insufferable right wing butthole) does about orgasms. My own fascinates me, yours doesn't interest me at all. Let's just assume that everyone here is enlightened up all they need. That nature is dictating our glorious existence and expressing itself through us perfectly. With this assumption you can get over yourself and your internal state and proceed to write something interesting TO US. Self absorption is totally boring. I really don't care how wonderful you think your internal state is. How could I? So far the only posters who claimed having an exalted internal state here have been very ordinary to boring posters with a bit of narcissism. Even the Maharishi himself, who was an above average charming guy usually, had the quality of self-engrandizement that wore thin. I am not speaking for everyone. Perhaps someone here is dying to hang on your every word about how wonderful your internal state is and play some game with you as a special answerer of life's questions. Personally, I would rather swallow a hand full of carpet tacks than listen to you crow about being WHATEVER. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny also. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all the mental constructs about pure consciousness and Realization confront the absolute experiential reality of no-content, no-self, no-boundary, pure absence of any-thing. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:48 PM Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not speaking for everyone. Perhaps someone here is dying to hang on your every word about how wonderful your internal state is and play some game with you as a special answerer of life's questions. Personally, I would rather swallow a hand full of carpet tacks than listen to you crow about being WHATEVER. Or post 10 posts about Palin a week... MUCH more interesting !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: Ooh! Yeah! That's it! Really tell me how it is. Tell me the story of how I must be pretending to be Enlightened because no one who was actually enlightened would want to talk about it. That's a great concept right there! Seriously. But what if it was true...? Naah. That's not possible, right? Anyway, I don't know why you would say Act III or IV. It's only been a day or so. Maybe 5 minutes of posts altogether, that's not even enough to make a significant fraction a television episode, let alone an act of a play. I don't think anyone really believes you, Jim. I certainly believe him. IF it's Jim. Uh-huh, just like you also believe in Benjamin Creme and his 'one day Maitreya will come and transform the world' show - and aliens who are sending us messages in crop circles. You have about as much credibility as Jim does.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Or post 10 posts about Palin a week... MUCH more interesting ! You know how people outside the US like to rag on the US for not caring about what goes on in other county's politics? Now perhaps you can understand. The discussions about Palin ARE important to us. She could be part of an administration that will pick some Supreme Court (No connection to Dianna Ross) judges. This election could effect how conservative the interpretation of our laws will be for decades. So yeah I'm more interested in hearing people's opinions about the candidates then hearing the abstract gibberish that people spout when they are tying to express that they've got Disneyland between their ears. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I am not speaking for everyone. Perhaps someone here is dying to hang on your every word about how wonderful your internal state is and play some game with you as a special answerer of life's questions. Personally, I would rather swallow a hand full of carpet tacks than listen to you crow about being WHATEVER. Or post 10 posts about Palin a week... MUCH more interesting !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
On Sep 12, 2008, at 11:16 AM, ddeadlus wrote: Ooh! Yeah! That's it! Really tell me how it is. Tell me the story of how I must be pretending to be Enlightened because no one who was actually enlightened would want to talk about it. That's a great concept right there! Seriously. But what if it was true...? Naah. That's not possible, right? Actually, this does sound an awful lot like Jim... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
John Manning wrote: This is like watching a rank amateur on the Gong Show. US foreign policy is NOT cheerleader tryouts. So, John, you're a 'Gong Show' watcher - I thought so. Apparently, after reading all the messages on this thread, not a single respondent here seems able to enunciate what the 'Bush Doctrine' really is. In fact, there have been six Bush Doctrines. Some political pundits you guys turned out to be! Otherwise, I guess you informants would have posted what it is you think the Bush Doctrine is! Talk about the 'Gong Show'! Gong!!! But as it happens, I'm not sure anyone is entirely clear on what the Bush Doctrine is at this particular moment. Read more: 'What Is the Bush Doctrine, Anyway?' By Dan Froomkin Washington Post, Friday, September 12, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3nd6d7
[FairfieldLife] Deepak gets it right....Palin and Obama
Full article is here: http://www.chopra.com/node/1064 Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper. She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding his idealism and turning negativity into a cause for pride. In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of the other. For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use before his arrival on the scene.) I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful here to understand Palin's message. In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision Look at what she stands for: * Small town values a nostaligic return to simpler times disguises a denial of America's global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism. * Ignorance of world affairs a repudiation of the need to repair America's image abroad. * Family values a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't need to be needed. * Rigid stands on guns and abortion a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree. * Patriotism the usual fallback in a failed war. * Reform an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who doesn't fit your ideology. Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical, that minorities and immigrants, being different from us pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat. The radical right marches under the banners of I'm all right, Jack, and Why change? Everything's OK as it is. The irony, of course, is that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress. The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their own good. The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum. The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives possess a shadow we all do. So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? No one can predict. The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state we are in. We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.
[FairfieldLife] Subatomic Particles and Consciousness (was Re: LHC?)
So yes, you CAN learn stuff by smashing stuff. Lawson * Well, you can find pockets of oil and you can smash eggs to make omelettes, but the subtlest aspects of creation are not going to divined by hurling protons -- all that happens is that the laundry list of elementary particles grows longer. There's a siddhi for gettin real small -- someday somebody will give a description of subtle creation through this siddhi, if these details are still relevant to people. I've experienced this siddhi for getting very small just by using the basic TM method. At the time, I didn't know what was happening and was scared to death. I felt my consciousness floating in an empty space. Then, I saw and floated by pink rods and cones that were suspended in space. Later on, I figured out that those rods and cones were the components of the retina. Somehow or the other the meditation process took my consciousness to that area of the body. So, by extension, it is possible for anyone to see any part of the body through meditation. I did not see any smaller particles other than than these. By conjecture, it is possible that the subatomic particles are part of the thought process in the human physiology. Outside of the body, these particles could be the manifestation of the Divine consciousness in the universe or universes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or post 10 posts about Palin a week... MUCH more interesting ! You know how people outside the US like to rag on the US for not caring about what goes on in other county's politics? Actually the only complain I've heard on this is that the americans care TOO much about what goes on in other contry's politics. I suppose you have read what Chavez said today, top of the iceberg really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] I certainly believe him. IF it's Jim. Uh-huh, just like you also believe in Benjamin Creme and his 'one day Maitreya will come and transform the world' show - and aliens who are sending us messages in crop circles. You have about as much credibility as Jim does. I'd be happy to have a fraction of Jim's credibility :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
If you say I sound like Jim I'm sure you're right (I'm not really familiar with his posts), but I like to think my style is subtly my own. Either way though. I want to make it clear that I'm not actually this guy that people think I am. Whatever though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2008, at 11:16 AM, ddeadlus wrote: Ooh! Yeah! That's it! Really tell me how it is. Tell me the story of how I must be pretending to be Enlightened because no one who was actually enlightened would want to talk about it. That's a great concept right there! Seriously. But what if it was true...? Naah. That's not possible, right? Actually, this does sound an awful lot like Jim... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
I suppose you have read what Chavez said today, top of the iceberg really. He is such a grandstander, playing to his base. That kind of politics plays well at home I guess but it seems kind of shortsighted considering that they have more to gain from a more cordial relationship with us than we do from them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Or post 10 posts about Palin a week... MUCH more interesting ! You know how people outside the US like to rag on the US for not caring about what goes on in other county's politics? Actually the only complain I've heard on this is that the americans care TOO much about what goes on in other contry's politics. I suppose you have read what Chavez said today, top of the iceberg really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose you have read what Chavez said today, top of the iceberg really. He is such a grandstander, playing to his base. That kind of politics plays well at home I guess but it seems kind of shortsighted considering that they have more to gain from a more cordial relationship with us than we do from them. Definately. Because no other nation on this planet would like to buy venezuelian oil. Right ? Your arrogant thinking is simply why you get in trouble all over the world and have done so since WWII, when you had an enormous respect on this planet. There's very little left there, and soon you will elect another fool for president and VP.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
I'm not here to educate you guys because I think I have something that you need. I'm here to explore my own experience by either looking at interesting questions or being challenged. The way you're talking about self-absorption is the way everyone functions. People do things because it makes them happy (or at least comfortable). If you don't have the same interests I do, then you don't have to talk about it (although apparently you do, because I'm responding to a message you just posted in response - you obviously get something out of it). As to how wonderful my internal state is, I'll tell you why you could care: because you can have any experience you want by bringing your attention there, and letting go of whatever pain, smallness, BS, or whatever else is in the way. Thus, hearing about some aspect of my experience could awaken part of your own experience. And this isn't because I got it or some other bullshit like that, it's because anyone's expanded experience can help anyone else, no matter how evolved or not evolved we feel we are. That's part of what I'm doing here, looking for any pain or smallness that is in me that can be released. I'm not looking for people to hang on my every word. I'm looking for questions or comments, and then to respond. If I really wanted people to love me for some fictional exalted state, I certainly wouldn't come here. Enlightenment is not about the individual, so it confers no deserving of specialness of exaltation that does not also apply to everyone else. Think about it, if I'm really feeling connected without boundaries (and fundamentally I definately am), any specialness that separates you from me would actually be in the way. Thus, there is no specialness I feel that applies to me but not everyone else. But, for the record (even though of course don't care :) ) I do feel a lot of specialness and exaltation that applies to all of us - meaning everyone. Literally. Not that I don't still have issues of course. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. When it comes to people's internal states I feel like Dennis Miller (before he became an insufferable right wing butthole) does about orgasms. My own fascinates me, yours doesn't interest me at all. Let's just assume that everyone here is enlightened up all they need. That nature is dictating our glorious existence and expressing itself through us perfectly. With this assumption you can get over yourself and your internal state and proceed to write something interesting TO US. Self absorption is totally boring. I really don't care how wonderful you think your internal state is. How could I? So far the only posters who claimed having an exalted internal state here have been very ordinary to boring posters with a bit of narcissism. Even the Maharishi himself, who was an above average charming guy usually, had the quality of self-engrandizement that wore thin. I am not speaking for everyone. Perhaps someone here is dying to hang on your every word about how wonderful your internal state is and play some game with you as a special answerer of life's questions. Personally, I would rather swallow a hand full of carpet tacks than listen to you crow about being WHATEVER. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny also. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all the mental constructs about pure consciousness and Realization confront the absolute experiential reality of no-content, no-self, no-boundary, pure absence of any-thing. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:48 PM Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges,
[FairfieldLife] FFL Suggestion
If you're posting a new topic here you might want to do a search on the web site to see if it has already been discussed. Right now I don't know how many people (starting with myself) posted the Deepak Chopra article on Palin as a new topic not noticing it was already posted. I often do a search when I want to post something especially that could have already been posted some time ago to avoid beating a dead horse. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Sounds good. Definately ask me some interesting questions. You can test me if that makes any sense, or just be morbidly curious. You can ask me pretty much anything. There are very few things I wouldn't be happy to respond to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ ...And the Look at me, I'm an enlightened guy performance continues. What is it, Act III or Act IV? Your attitude surprises me do... or perhaps not. Nothing surprises me about yankees anymore I suppose. What if what this fellow is saying is correct, why don't you instead ask him some interesting questions instead of simply denouncing him ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not here to educate you guys because I think I have something that you need. I'm here to explore my own experience by either looking at interesting questions or being challenged. Fair enough. I'll keep checking to see if your state of mind allows you to write some stuff that is interesting to me. The way you're talking about self-absorption is the way everyone functions. Not really. I don't assume that anyone here would be interested with my internal state, just my output in writing. People do things because it makes them happy (or at least comfortable). If you don't have the same interests I do, then you don't have to talk about it (although apparently you do, because I'm responding to a message you just posted in response - you obviously get something out of it). Fair enough. As to how wonderful my internal state is, I'll tell you why you could care: because you can have any experience you want by bringing your attention there, and letting go of whatever pain, smallness, BS, or whatever else is in the way. Thus, hearing about some aspect of my experience could awaken part of your own experience. And this isn't because I got it or some other bullshit like that, it's because anyone's expanded experience can help anyone else, no matter how evolved or not evolved we feel we are. That's part of what I'm doing here, looking for any pain or smallness that is in me that can be released. I'm not buying that. I find the assumption that me hearing about your internal state will improve me in some way condescending. I'm not looking for people to hang on my every word. I'm looking for questions or comments, and then to respond. We'll see if you get any takers. Most of the posters here have been down this road before. I'm only interested in your internal state AFTER you demonstrate some ability that I do not have from it. If I really wanted people to love me for some fictional exalted state, I certainly wouldn't come here. Enlightenment is not about the individual, so it confers no deserving of specialness of exaltation that does not also apply to everyone else. Think about it, if I'm really feeling connected without boundaries (and fundamentally I definately am), any specialness that separates you from me would actually be in the way. Thus, there is no specialness I feel that applies to me but not everyone else. I'm not buying that rap about it not being about you. If it is any consolation I also don't buy it from any spiritual teacher. I would like to see a once over by a clinical psychiatrist to rule out a dissociative personality disorder. I don't assume that all the talk about losing the small self and becoming unbounded is a positive development for a person. But, for the record (even though of course don't care :) ) I do feel a lot of specialness and exaltation that applies to all of us - meaning everyone. Literally. Not that I don't still have issues of course. We all have issues, that is a given. One of mine is people claiming to be in a special state of mind. Thanks for responding and I hope you find what you are looking for here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. When it comes to people's internal states I feel like Dennis Miller (before he became an insufferable right wing butthole) does about orgasms. My own fascinates me, yours doesn't interest me at all. Let's just assume that everyone here is enlightened up all they need. That nature is dictating our glorious existence and expressing itself through us perfectly. With this assumption you can get over yourself and your internal state and proceed to write something interesting TO US. Self absorption is totally boring. I really don't care how wonderful you think your internal state is. How could I? So far the only posters who claimed having an exalted internal state here have been very ordinary to boring posters with a bit of narcissism. Even the Maharishi himself, who was an above average charming guy usually, had the quality of self-engrandizement that wore thin. I am not speaking for everyone. Perhaps someone here is dying to hang on your every word about how wonderful your internal state is and play some game with you as a special answerer of life's questions. Personally, I would rather swallow a hand full of carpet tacks than listen to you crow about being WHATEVER. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny also. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Ha ha! It's quite a joke when all
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Everything you just wrote is awesome. This is exactly an example of the kind of thing I'm looking for (a challenge in this case) I would like to respond to your responses: Not really. I don't assume that anyone here would be interested with my internal state, just my output in writing. Everyone's writing reflects their internal state: opinions, ideas about how the world works, everything. Internal state doesn't mean in terms of Enlightenment, like an Enlightenment meter or anything, it's just a reflection of what happens to be going on inside them at the time. I'm not buying that. I find the assumption that me hearing about your internal state will improve me in some way condescending. Fair enough, but it isn't about my internal state that I'm really talking about. It's about feelings of expandedness and wonderful relationship with everything. This doesn't, by the way, mean everything's hunky dory all the time by a long shot. I could even be going through as serious issue or having a crappy day. But serious issues or the details of my day are not what I want to talk about. If I did, that is something that would be really is narcissistic to expect everyone to want to talk about. Instead, these are universal principles and relationships that everyone has to some extent even if they don't realize it. Those who want to talk about it often have more awareness of it, so it works out pretty nicely. Honestly, if you were to share your feelings of expansion and connection with me, I would love that, because I could find more in my own experience because of it. That is why it's not condescending at all. It's a two way street. I've noticed that not a lot of people want to share their personal private spiritual experiences. I find that these experiences blossom and get stronger for talking about them, although I know that not everyone operates that way. Talking about expansion as a method for expansion has and continues to work very well for me, which is why I know it can be done, but it may make sense to everyone's mode of operating. It depends on what works for you. We'll see if you get any takers. Most of the posters here have been down this road before. I'm only interested in your internal state AFTER you demonstrate some ability that I do not have from it. I never said anything about abilities, and I'm not sure what abilities have to do with Enlightenment. What abilities are you talking about? I'm not buying that rap about it not being about you. If it is any consolation I also don't buy it from any spiritual teacher. I would like to see a once over by a clinical psychiatrist to rule out a dissociative personality disorder. I don't assume that all the talk about losing the small self and becoming unbounded is a positive development for a person. I think that you make an excellent point here. It is an interesting question. How do I know that what I'm talking about is not just trying to dissociate myself? It's because dissociation has to do with blocking something out. I did that with my feelings for a very long time, so I know what that is. This is more when you block nothing out, resist nothing (including feelings of course). It's like any boundary that felt confining was just a resistance to it. Nothing hurts more than feeling that life should be different it is. I just looked at all my small emotional reasons for why it should be different. The result was a realization on a gut level that all my ideas about individuality were just that: ideas. The individual is still there an as active as ever, but think about it: can you choose what you want and what you don't? No. Why would you ever make yourself miserable if you weren't getting anything out of it? All of these are automatic functions that we take credit for. Are you the thinker? How do you know for sure? If it feels like you can control your thoughts, who is it that's really controlling these thoughts? Is it possible that it's the mind trying to control the mind, and that you are not limited to the mind? I'm sure you've heard all this before, but to really get it deep down (by examining what's in the way) brings a shift in perception that feels like a complete lack of confining limitation. It's hard to talk about, and I'm sorry if it sounds like a discourse, that was not intentional. The point is it's more inclusive, not more exclusive and that's why it's not dissociative. Contained within it are all the experiences of when I thought I was an individual. Nothing is missing. You'll probably have to ask me specific questions about it for me to be able to explain more clearly. I'm not used to talking about it (which is another reason why I'm here). We all have issues, that is a given. One of mine is people claiming to be in a special state of mind. Really, the idea of anyone being more special than anyone else is ridiculous, although I can respect having that issue, because I have issues that make just a little sense along slightly different lines.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
I appreciate the friendly tone of your response. Glad to hear you are having a good day, me too. Perhaps one of the more spiritually oriented posters will pick up the ball on the points you raised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything you just wrote is awesome. This is exactly an example of the kind of thing I'm looking for (a challenge in this case) I would like to respond to your responses: Not really. I don't assume that anyone here would be interested with my internal state, just my output in writing. Everyone's writing reflects their internal state: opinions, ideas about how the world works, everything. Internal state doesn't mean in terms of Enlightenment, like an Enlightenment meter or anything, it's just a reflection of what happens to be going on inside them at the time. I'm not buying that. I find the assumption that me hearing about your internal state will improve me in some way condescending. Fair enough, but it isn't about my internal state that I'm really talking about. It's about feelings of expandedness and wonderful relationship with everything. This doesn't, by the way, mean everything's hunky dory all the time by a long shot. I could even be going through as serious issue or having a crappy day. But serious issues or the details of my day are not what I want to talk about. If I did, that is something that would be really is narcissistic to expect everyone to want to talk about. Instead, these are universal principles and relationships that everyone has to some extent even if they don't realize it. Those who want to talk about it often have more awareness of it, so it works out pretty nicely. Honestly, if you were to share your feelings of expansion and connection with me, I would love that, because I could find more in my own experience because of it. That is why it's not condescending at all. It's a two way street. I've noticed that not a lot of people want to share their personal private spiritual experiences. I find that these experiences blossom and get stronger for talking about them, although I know that not everyone operates that way. Talking about expansion as a method for expansion has and continues to work very well for me, which is why I know it can be done, but it may make sense to everyone's mode of operating. It depends on what works for you. We'll see if you get any takers. Most of the posters here have been down this road before. I'm only interested in your internal state AFTER you demonstrate some ability that I do not have from it. I never said anything about abilities, and I'm not sure what abilities have to do with Enlightenment. What abilities are you talking about? I'm not buying that rap about it not being about you. If it is any consolation I also don't buy it from any spiritual teacher. I would like to see a once over by a clinical psychiatrist to rule out a dissociative personality disorder. I don't assume that all the talk about losing the small self and becoming unbounded is a positive development for a person. I think that you make an excellent point here. It is an interesting question. How do I know that what I'm talking about is not just trying to dissociate myself? It's because dissociation has to do with blocking something out. I did that with my feelings for a very long time, so I know what that is. This is more when you block nothing out, resist nothing (including feelings of course). It's like any boundary that felt confining was just a resistance to it. Nothing hurts more than feeling that life should be different it is. I just looked at all my small emotional reasons for why it should be different. The result was a realization on a gut level that all my ideas about individuality were just that: ideas. The individual is still there an as active as ever, but think about it: can you choose what you want and what you don't? No. Why would you ever make yourself miserable if you weren't getting anything out of it? All of these are automatic functions that we take credit for. Are you the thinker? How do you know for sure? If it feels like you can control your thoughts, who is it that's really controlling these thoughts? Is it possible that it's the mind trying to control the mind, and that you are not limited to the mind? I'm sure you've heard all this before, but to really get it deep down (by examining what's in the way) brings a shift in perception that feels like a complete lack of confining limitation. It's hard to talk about, and I'm sorry if it sounds like a discourse, that was not intentional. The point is it's more inclusive, not more exclusive and that's why it's not dissociative. Contained within it are all the experiences of when I thought I was an individual. Nothing is missing. You'll probably have to ask me specific questions about it for me to be able to explain more clearly. I'm not used to talking
[FairfieldLife] Subatomic Particles and Consciousness (was Re: LHC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So yes, you CAN learn stuff by smashing stuff.
Lawson
*
Well, you can find pockets of oil and you can smash eggs to make
omelettes, but the subtlest aspects of creation are not going to
divined by hurling protons -- all that happens is that the laundry
list of elementary particles grows longer. There's a siddhi for
gettin real small -- someday somebody will give a description of
subtle creation through this siddhi, if these details are still
relevant to people.
I've experienced this siddhi for getting very small just by using the
basic TM method. At the time, I didn't know what was happening and
was scared to death. I felt my consciousness floating in an empty
space. Then, I saw and floated by pink rods and cones that were
suspended in space.
Later on, I figured out that those rods and cones were the components
of the retina. Somehow or the other the meditation process took my
consciousness to that area of the body. So, by extension, it is
possible for anyone to see any part of the body through meditation.
I did not see any smaller particles other than than these. By
conjecture, it is possible that the subatomic particles are part of
the thought process in the human physiology. Outside of the body,
these particles could be the manifestation of the Divine
consciousness in the universe or universes.
FWIW, the name of that siddhi, aNimaa, seems to be derived
from 'aNu':
aNu mf(%{vI})n. fine , minute , atomic ; (%{us}) m. an atom of matter
; ` an atom of time ' , the 54 , 675 , 000th part of a muhu1rta (of
48 minutes) ; Panicum Miliaceum VS. S3Br. xiv Mun2d2UP. ; N. of Siva ;
(%{a4NvI}) f. ` the subtle one 'N. of the fingers preparing the Soma
juice RV. ; (%{u}) n. (in prosody) the fourth part of a ma1tra1 ;
(%{aNu4}) ind. minutely S3Br.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
Sounds good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the friendly tone of your response. Glad to hear you are having a good day, me too. Perhaps one of the more spiritually oriented posters will pick up the ball on the points you raised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus no_reply@ wrote: Everything you just wrote is awesome. This is exactly an example of the kind of thing I'm looking for (a challenge in this case) I would like to respond to your responses: Not really. I don't assume that anyone here would be interested with my internal state, just my output in writing. Everyone's writing reflects their internal state: opinions, ideas about how the world works, everything. Internal state doesn't mean in terms of Enlightenment, like an Enlightenment meter or anything, it's just a reflection of what happens to be going on inside them at the time. I'm not buying that. I find the assumption that me hearing about your internal state will improve me in some way condescending. Fair enough, but it isn't about my internal state that I'm really talking about. It's about feelings of expandedness and wonderful relationship with everything. This doesn't, by the way, mean everything's hunky dory all the time by a long shot. I could even be going through as serious issue or having a crappy day. But serious issues or the details of my day are not what I want to talk about. If I did, that is something that would be really is narcissistic to expect everyone to want to talk about. Instead, these are universal principles and relationships that everyone has to some extent even if they don't realize it. Those who want to talk about it often have more awareness of it, so it works out pretty nicely. Honestly, if you were to share your feelings of expansion and connection with me, I would love that, because I could find more in my own experience because of it. That is why it's not condescending at all. It's a two way street. I've noticed that not a lot of people want to share their personal private spiritual experiences. I find that these experiences blossom and get stronger for talking about them, although I know that not everyone operates that way. Talking about expansion as a method for expansion has and continues to work very well for me, which is why I know it can be done, but it may make sense to everyone's mode of operating. It depends on what works for you. We'll see if you get any takers. Most of the posters here have been down this road before. I'm only interested in your internal state AFTER you demonstrate some ability that I do not have from it. I never said anything about abilities, and I'm not sure what abilities have to do with Enlightenment. What abilities are you talking about? I'm not buying that rap about it not being about you. If it is any consolation I also don't buy it from any spiritual teacher. I would like to see a once over by a clinical psychiatrist to rule out a dissociative personality disorder. I don't assume that all the talk about losing the small self and becoming unbounded is a positive development for a person. I think that you make an excellent point here. It is an interesting question. How do I know that what I'm talking about is not just trying to dissociate myself? It's because dissociation has to do with blocking something out. I did that with my feelings for a very long time, so I know what that is. This is more when you block nothing out, resist nothing (including feelings of course). It's like any boundary that felt confining was just a resistance to it. Nothing hurts more than feeling that life should be different it is. I just looked at all my small emotional reasons for why it should be different. The result was a realization on a gut level that all my ideas about individuality were just that: ideas. The individual is still there an as active as ever, but think about it: can you choose what you want and what you don't? No. Why would you ever make yourself miserable if you weren't getting anything out of it? All of these are automatic functions that we take credit for. Are you the thinker? How do you know for sure? If it feels like you can control your thoughts, who is it that's really controlling these thoughts? Is it possible that it's the mind trying to control the mind, and that you are not limited to the mind? I'm sure you've heard all this before, but to really get it deep down (by examining what's in the way) brings a shift in perception that feels like a complete lack of confining limitation. It's hard to talk about, and I'm sorry if it sounds like a discourse, that was not intentional. The point is it's more inclusive, not more exclusive and that's why it's not dissociative. Contained within it are all the experiences of when I thought
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:27 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I appreciate the friendly tone of your response. Glad to hear you are having a good day, me too. Perhaps one of the more spiritually oriented posters will pick up the ball on the points you raised. WE have those kind here? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:27 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I appreciate the friendly tone of your response. Glad to hear you are having a good day, me too. Perhaps one of the more spiritually oriented posters will pick up the ball on the points you raised. WE have those kind here? Sal Of course I was thinking of you when I wrote that Sal!
[FairfieldLife] Re: LHC?
The three gunas are NOT part of particle physics no matter what MUM tells you. *** Sattva= maintenance operator; rajas= creation operator; tamas= annihilation operator The creation () and annihilation (a) operators are generally used to describe processes in which bosons are created or destroyed. http://qwiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Annihilation_Operator
[FairfieldLife] Forward this email
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak gets it right....Palin and Obama
yeah, this stuff by Chopra on Sarah Palin is quite amazing; you will never see this in mainstream media --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full article is here: http://www.chopra.com/node/1064 Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper. She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding his idealism and turning negativity into a cause for pride. In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of the other. For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use before his arrival on the scene.) I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful here to understand Palin's message. In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision Look at what she stands for: * Small town values a nostaligic return to simpler times disguises a denial of America's global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism. * Ignorance of world affairs a repudiation of the need to repair America's image abroad. * Family values a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't need to be needed. * Rigid stands on guns and abortion a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree. * Patriotism the usual fallback in a failed war. * Reform an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who doesn't fit your ideology. Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical, that minorities and immigrants, being different from us pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat. The radical right marches under the banners of I'm all right, Jack, and Why change? Everything's OK as it is. The irony, of course, is that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress. The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their own good. The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum. The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives possess a shadow we all do. So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? No one can predict. The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state we are in. We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.
[FairfieldLife] Burn After Reading
Just came back from the matinée of this film by the Coen Brothers. This film is very funny and well worth a look. About time some good films come out after the bum rushed features that seemed to be result of the writer's strike. http://www.filminfocus.com/focusfeatures/film/burn_after_reading/ I also want to mention for the Pushing Daisies fans here that The Fall which stars Lee Pace of that series is now out on DVD and BluRay. It's by Tarsem Singh who also did the film The Cell. The cinematography is excellent though the film does drag a bit. Seems almost a homage to The Holy Mountain in many ways though it is based on a 1981 film Yo ho ho. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460791/
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 2081 -- Just in time to smarten up America
TurquoiseB wrote: So far, the best comments I've read, period, about Sarah Palin came from film critic (and Pulitzer Prize winner) Roger Ebert: Well, I haven't seen any indication that you've read any comments about Sarah Palin, Turqy-boy. But Roger Ebert obviously doesn't even understand Kurt Vonnegut. The story and movie are about resisting the Communists, not Sarah Palin. But, I guess Ebert is pretty cynical these days, so I could see why you two Barry's would enjoy Harrison Bergeron. You two seem like you're on your last ropes - really scared and frightened of everything. There must be a nasty Repug or a conspiracy under your bed! Better check it now. But the 'American Idol' seems more like a description of Barak Obama than Sarah Palin. Obama is the rock star - Palin is the hockey mom. One thing fer sure, Ebert really insulted your intelligence - the two Barry's are the ones looking at TV and movies all the time! Really stoopid TV-watchers. Harrison Bergeron - In the year 2053, the United States strive to obtain perfect mediocrity. In school, Cs are good, As are bad. The government is chosen at random from all adult citizens. Spouses are selected by computers to better obtain average children. Offenders of traffic laws are subject to capital punishment. And corrective brain surgery exists for those who are just not average enough. Read more: 'Uniformity and Deformity in Harrison Bergeron' By Marek Vit http://tinyurl.com/5xfa2y Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Sun, May 18 2003 9:41 pm Subject: Re: '1984' full text online http://tinyurl.com/4bqybc Many of the writers of the period have very cynical view of life and Vonnegut is no exception. I find him very pessimistic and prefer much lighter fare or a more optimistic view of societal problems than Vonnegut forwards. - M. B.Hanan ...an anti-communist allegory exploring the ultimate result of a communist revolution in America. The new subjects are required to submit to various handicaps to make them all equal, including bands to stupify their brains, leg weights, etc. Of course it turns out it's all enforced by an elite class led by Christopher Plummer. - R. Christenson Harrison Bergeron: Republic Pictures, VHS Tape, 1998 http://tinyurl.com/526qk6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Burn After Reading
I've seen everything they've done and will see this one in the next week or so. My favourite: Hudsucker Proxy followed by Miller's Crossing. 'What's the rumpus' should have become a catchphrase! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just came back from the matinée of this film by the Coen Brothers. This film is very funny and well worth a look. About time some good films come out after the bum rushed features that seemed to be result of the writer's strike. http://www.filminfocus.com/focusfeatures/film/burn_after_reading/ I also want to mention for the Pushing Daisies fans here that The Fall which stars Lee Pace of that series is now out on DVD and BluRay. It's by Tarsem Singh who also did the film The Cell. The cinematography is excellent though the film does drag a bit. Seems almost a homage to The Holy Mountain in many ways though it is based on a 1981 film Yo ho ho. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460791/
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
I'm going to follow up on this from Wednesday because I think it's important, although by now the incident itself it's old news. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. This insult, and the middle finger thing are out of character for the guy. Curtis, that's just the point, they *aren't* out of character. That's the real Obama. He has a very nasty vindictive streak, particularly when it comes to women. Or, let's assume the pig reference wasn't intentional. If not, then it was supremely STOOOPID for him not to realize a whole lot of people who watched Palin's speech at the convention would instantly make that association (including his audience), and that it would give McCain's campaign an excuse to raise a ruckus and distract Obama from the actual issues of the campaign. So you pays your money and you takes your choice: which is more out of character for him, vindictiveness, or stupidity? Calling her a pig? What possible purpose would that serve? It's an insult, obviously, a bit of return fire for her nasty remarks about him, just as the cheek-scratch was return fire for some things Hillary had said about him (not as nasty, but pointed enough to get under his skin). Again, his audience got it instantly. More importantly it is out of character for Obama He'd sure like for you to think so. But these two instances aren't the only ones by any means. I can give you a whole list if you're interested. and serves no purpose, except as a tool for people who want to try to make Sara out to be a martyr. Nobody's making Palin out to be a martyr. She's impervious to that kind of thing. That's a thought-stopper designed to distract attention from Obama's behavior. This is a tool Obama himself has handed to those who think his saintly image is fraudulent. It's yet another example of what his supporters and the media (not that there's much difference) have relied heavily on throughout the entire campaign and Obama has failed to criticize. I guess seeing how that strategy worked for the Hillary camp doesn't serve as a cautionary tale. Actually it worked quite well for Hillary. It's pretty much accepted now, for example, that she won in New Hampshire, when she hadn't been expected to, because women were pissed off at how she'd been treated. But notice that Hillary herself, like Palin, was immune to all the sexism and didn't even mention it publicly until very late in the campaign. Nor did she ever try to make the case that sexism had cost her the primary.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama criud took it to B about Sara it was so
this is from the audience mbrs in the room. all took it to B re: the Gov of Alaska, Sentences before after were also in regard to her as well. no mistake here In a message dated 9/12/2008 10:09:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to follow up on this from Wednesday because I think it's important, although by now the incident itself it's old news. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. This insult, and the middle finger thing are out of character for the guy. Curtis, that's just the point, they *aren't* out of character. That's the real Obama. He has a very nasty vindictive streak, particularly when it comes to women. Or, let's assume the pig reference wasn't intentional. If not, then it was supremely STOOOPID for him not to realize a whole lot of people who watched Palin's speech at the convention would instantly make that association (including his audience), and that it would give McCain's campaign an excuse to raise a ruckus and distract Obama from the actual issues of the campaign. So you pays your money and you takes your choice: which is more out of character for him, vindictiveness, or stupidity? Calling her a pig? What possible purpose would that serve? It's an insult, obviously, a bit of return fire for her nasty remarks about him, just as the cheek-scratch was return fire for some things Hillary had said about him (not as nasty, but pointed enough to get under his skin). Again, his audience got it instantly. More importantly it is out of character for Obama He'd sure like for you to think so. But these two instances aren't the only ones by any means. I can give you a whole list if you're interested. and serves no purpose, except as a tool for people who want to try to make Sara out to be a martyr. Nobody's making Palin out to be a martyr. She's impervious to that kind of thing. That's a thought-stopper designed to distract attention from Obama's behavior. This is a tool Obama himself has handed to those who think his saintly image is fraudulent. It's yet another example of what his supporters and the media (not that there's much difference) have relied heavily on throughout the entire campaign and Obama has failed to criticize. I guess seeing how that strategy worked for the Hillary camp doesn't serve as a cautionary tale. Actually it worked quite well for Hillary. It's pretty much accepted now, for example, that she won in New Hampshire, when she hadn't been expected to, because women were pissed off at how she'd been treated. But notice that Hillary herself, like Palin, was immune to all the sexism and didn't even mention it publicly until very late in the campaign. Nor did she ever try to make the case that sexism had cost her the primary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. In the first place, raunchydog isn't a dude, she's a dame. In the second place, you're fortunate if you've never encountered the insulting association of smelly old fish with a woman. Sorry to be clinical, but it's a reference to menstrual blood, which does smell a little fishy as it's drying. It's a slightly elderly association from pre-Tampax days when the odor was much more of a problem for menstruating women. No older woman would fail to recognize that association, and older women, of course, are Hillary's base, those who may be most tempted to vote for McCain because of Palin. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying.
[FairfieldLife] It's a high-end neighborhood!
$3.41 Regular http://tinyurl.com/5qo2zl The poll showed San Antonio, Texas, takes the smallest bite out of your budget and is the most affordable city, while peace and quiet is easiest found in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which also came in last in all nightlife categories. Portland, Oregon, Minneapolis/St. Paul and Austin, Texas, took the gold, silver and bronze in the cleanest city competition, while New Orleans had the most work to do in keeping things tidy. Read more: 'Miami residents are most attractive in U.S.' By Christian Wiessner Reuters, Thursday Sep 11, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/53tryx Jay Carter, a Realtor with Livinginaustin.com, said the 78749 Zip Code in southwest Austin is one of the hottest he has seen. It's a high-end neighborhood surrounded by scenic hills, but it's just a 5- or 10-minute drive to downtown. Read more: 'Where Homes Are Selling Fastest' by Prashant Gopal Business Week, Saturday, September 6, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4vq6ge
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultivating Imperfections in TM/TMSP
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which imperfections are TMers taught to cling to? I don't believe I was taught to cling to anything in the TM context. Were you, Vaj? Satsangers often indulge in the imperfections. The Ten Imperfections of Insight (vipassanupakilesas): An inexperienced meditator may be confused by any of the following experiences, mistakenly believing that he or she has reached nibbana. Though not in themselves obstacles, the meditator may be tempted to cling to these experiences, believing them to be important, rather than continuing to note the arising and passing away of mental and physical phenomena in the present moment. At such time the guidance of a teacher is invaluable. Since these are imperfections associated with vipassana meditation, and TM is not vipassana, it's hard to figure out how any of this would be relevant to TM anyway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Since posting the last few days I have been called stupid, an idiot, accused of wallowing in negativity, and suspected of being a cross-dressing man(very funny). That's right, a woman who has a strong opinions can't possibly be a woman. You nailed it. Barry (TurquoiseB) has a very, very long history here of feeling threatened by women with strong opinions. He also has a long history of trying to run newbies--women in particular--off the forum. He's one terrified dude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 11:50 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I say a warning to a newbie is a nice welcome gesture. Even old hands here have had some adjustment troubles with the limits. I am enjoying disagreeing with the most of the posts and don't think a time-out is the right vibe for a new person. For this new person it's exactly the right vibe, Curtis. IMO. Her vibe has been almost bloodthirsty. (Dancing on someone's grave because they knocked your heroine off her pedestal?) Good riddance. Yes, let's revise the posting rules to stipulate that they be applied especially strictly to anyone whose posts Sal thinks give off the wrong vibe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
feste37 wrote: She's linking 9/11 with Iraq, which is a Big Lie that even the Bush administration has stopped repeating. You need to stop the gaffs, festus! The notion that Geroge W. Bush 'once promoted' the assertion that Saddam helped plan the September 11 attacks is false. And Sarah Palin didn't say that either. In fact, you seem to be the only one who thinks that. News flash to FFL political pundits: The Alaska National Guard isn't going to Iraq to fight the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein. Saddam is dead, and the government of Iraq is now our ally. The only organized opposition these troops will encounter in Iraq comes precisely, as Palin said, from 'the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans,' al Qaeda. Read more: 'Another Gaffe by the Washington Post' Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, September 12, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/42rmhp
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:46 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: What pissed me off enough to get involved is her and her sister in PUMAhood claiming to be concerned about the Democratic Party while ACTING LIKE REPUBLICANS. Their strategy is the same as McCain's and Rove's -- every time someone here brings up one of the actual issues, they try to pull the discussion off into a diversion about misogyny. A common tactic these days, when that's all that's left. Except, of course, that isn't what we do. Sal is hallucinating along with Barry-- folie a deux, I believe it's called. What got me was the almost threat-like tone of one of her posts, which of course Judy agreed with whole- heartedly. Oh, which one was that, Sal? I think she should be gone for a week, too, but Rick has the final say. Bet you anything who the private email was from... Sal, you really should refrain from betting on your intuitions, 'cause your intuition muscle is awfully flabby. I hereby give Rick permission to announce it publicly here if I emailed him about raunchydog. Over to you, Sal. Do you have the guts to ask him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Since posting the last few days I have been called stupid, an idiot, accused of wallowing in negativity, and suspected of being a cross-dressing man(very funny). That's right, a woman who has a strong opinions can't possibly be a woman. You nailed it. Barry (TurquoiseB) has a very, very long history here of feeling threatened by women with strong opinions. He also has a long history of trying to run newbies--women in particular--off the forum. He's one terrified dude. Thanks for your last three posts. It gets lonely in the echo chamber.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2081 -- Just in time to smarten up America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This dumb-and-proud-of-it thing has really got to STOP, America! It's not just laughable any more; it's turning dangerous. Hopefully, films like 2081 will do some- thing to up the collective IQ a little bit. It's for damned sure that the Republican Party won't. What's got to stop is the left's insufferable, look-down-your-nose-at-the-stupid-people elitism. Until it does, the looked-down-upon are going to continue to vote for Republicans. That's what's dangerous.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine'
Gov Palin is grossly under-qualified to be in such a position. She's also just your typical political bullshit artist, but not very good at it because she's been in such a back-water location. I think she's going to blow-up soon because there's just too many inconsistencies of positions to reconcile into one coherent neo-con position. McCain made a very bad choice. I used to respect McCain, but he has really lost me now. This interview with Gibson completely exposes her as a political ra-ra. --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Painful to watch - Gibson interview: Palin On 'Bush Doctrine' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:23 PM feste37 wrote: She's linking 9/11 with Iraq, which is a Big Lie that even the Bush administration has stopped repeating. You need to stop the gaffs, festus! The notion that Geroge W. Bush 'once promoted' the assertion that Saddam helped plan the September 11 attacks is false. And Sarah Palin didn't say that either. In fact, you seem to be the only one who thinks that. News flash to FFL political pundits: The Alaska National Guard isn't going to Iraq to fight the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein. Saddam is dead, and the government of Iraq is now our ally. The only organized opposition these troops will encounter in Iraq comes precisely, as Palin said, from 'the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans,' al Qaeda. Read more: 'Another Gaffe by the Washington Post' Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, September 12, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/42rmhp To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, a bit bitter aren't we? Cheer up, it's a brand new morning. I find Jon Stewart is funny -- I found your I laughed Too comment to be funny and I find your response funny. Yet you see bitterness. Do you see bitterness in lots of people? It's not that it's hard to be what we really are (do we have a choice?). No, and I suppose if one sees bitterness its not a choice. Examining them is extremely painful though, and I don't think anyone would really do it unless they didn't have a choice. Ah yes. The mind is always attracted to deeper levels of pain. I sincerely wanted this and did the work, went through the pain or however you want to phrase it, but when it came to actually letting huge chunks of myself go, I couldn't want it, but it happened anyway because I set myself up and it hurt way too much not to let it go. Boy what a dilemma: painful to do, painful to let go. Well, I was feeling pretty good and Enlightened and such, and then the individual vanished. Poof. Total wholeness, nothingness, or silence. Ever wonder how and why you got mixed up in the first place? What is more natural -- boundaries or unboundedness. At some point you chose boundaries. Then felt relieved when you let go of them. Why didn't just start and stay in the more natural state? Deep rich nothingness silence wholeness. This is it...Cannot be unfulfilled anymore... Yet yoo see bitterness in strangers. Interesting. Perhaps its a cleansing bitter -- like bitter greens. This experience (for lack of a better word) is every description of Brahman I've ever heard of, from Maharishi or otherwise. And why are you relying on others to define and label your experience? Seems less than unbounded. The personality is certainly having some upheaval getting used to it, but in an incredibly awesome way. So the bounded personality is identifying with something else, elsewhere. Seems like there are still some big boundaries. It's hard to describe, which I suppose is the point - if it were purely describable, then it wouldn't be completely whole... Then what is the compulsion to try? Still I've heard that this group is wonderful for talking about it, and poking people. I would love to have either...answering questions about it, or hearing challenges, or whatever. If you poke something long enough, the underlying truth falls out. What is inside a(n empty) cup? If you poke at it long enough does it fall out?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:46 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: What pissed me off enough to get involved is her and her sister in PUMAhood claiming to be concerned about the Democratic Party while ACTING LIKE REPUBLICANS. Their strategy is the same as McCain's and Rove's -- every time someone here brings up one of the actual issues, they try to pull the discussion off into a diversion about misogyny. A common tactic these days, when that's all that's left. Except, of course, that isn't what we do. Sal is hallucinating along with Barry-- Hey share the drugs guys! Sal, you really should refrain from betting on your intuitions, 'cause your intuition muscle is awfully flabby. But really fit and buff elsewise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: You once said in an email, with reference to Hillary, I love her! I love her! I love her! If you really did, you would respect her enough to follow her lead and support Obama. Bingo. Nope, wrong as wrong can be. Unlike the Obamabots with their blind devotion to The One, that we admire and respect Hillary does not also mean we feel we have to agree with her on every single point or do her bidding without question. I don't think she's just doing so because she has to, but because she sincerely cares about the country and Obama's positions on most matters are close to hers and the polar opposite of McCain's. She'll play a prominent role in an Obama administration. Exactly. While the Whiners For Hillary are putting their love for Hillary above the love for country. Exactly the opposite, dimwit. Four years of McCain will pretty much finish us off. Your opposition to Obama at this point reveals nothing but rigidity a distain for both Hillary and country. You seem to get your jollies from wallowing in negativity. BPD, I tell you. There seems to be an epidemic of it. Says Barry Wright, whom I'm sure everyone here would agree is the very paradism of positivity, and who would never, *ever* take delight in negativity. horselaugh
