[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
> 
> I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the hook 
> for your behavior here.  But I believe the reality is much simpler.  You just 
> don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never found that 
> arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything interesting.

Contrary to you I don't find vata/pitta/kapha very interesting. It's just facts 
of life. But i suppose they also fall in the cathegory of thing "our 
intelligence", as defind by you, do not accept.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  wrote:

> Do tell Nabby. What are you going to do to get himsome kind of yagya? 

Not a thing. He is more than able to create his own future.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'

[Robert]

 "Kirk"   wrote:
> I met Prudence Farrow and she told me the real story.

Yeah, but did you get her phone number?
And if so, could you let me know it?
I always wanted to meet at least one of the Farrows.
Oh, well, guess I'll have to let go of that dream.
R.G.






>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Robert 
>   To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:58 AM
>   Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From Cynthia Lennon's biography...
> 
> The Beatles publicly renounced drugs (although never completely) 
> after their initial meetings with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in London, and 
> took a train to Bangor, in Wales, to meet him again in the summer of 1967. A 
> policeman stopped Cynthia from boarding the train as it was pulling out (not 
> knowing who she was) with Lennon calling out of a window after her, "Tell 
> them to let you on!".[72] She broke down in tears, and later said that it 
> symbolised where she felt their marriage was heading, with Lennon speeding 
> into the future and herself being left behind.[73] Epstein had previously 
> agreed to travel to Bangor to join them after the August Bank Holiday, but 
> died of a drug overdose on 27 August 1967, which was a massive shock to both 
> her and Lennon.[74][75]
> India
> The Beatles were scheduled to fly to India to visit the Maharishi for 
> two or three months, but before that she found letters from Yoko Ono that 
> made it clear that Lennon had had contact with her over a period of time. She 
> had previously met Ono when Ono asked for a lift in Lennon's car after a 
> meeting with the Maharishi in a London suburb.[76] Lennon denied that he was 
> involved with Ono, and said that she was just some "crazy artist" who wanted 
> to be sponsored, although Ono kept up a stream of calls and visits to 
> Kenwood.[77]
> In February 1968, she flew to India with Lennon and the other Beatles 
> and their partners.[78] She had taken pens and paper with her, so was able to 
> draw, meditate with Lennon every day, and for the first time in her life she 
> started to write poetry.[79] "Magic Alex" (Greek-born Alex Mardas who was 
> part of Apple Electronics) was also with them, and smuggled in alcohol from 
> the nearest village as it was not allowed in the ashram. After two weeks 
> Lennon wanted to sleep in a separate room from her, saying that he could only 
> meditate when he was alone.[80] She found out much later that Lennon walked 
> down to the local post office every morning to see if he had received a 
> telegram from Ono, who sent one almost daily.[79]
> Divorce
>  
> 
> Cynthia and Julian at Kenwood in 1968, after Lennon had left.
> She had suspicions of Lennon's infidelity over the years, and people 
> had told her that he had had numerous affairs as far back as their time 
> together at the art college in Liverpool, but she decided to ignore it, 
> unless there was definite proof.[81]
> After returning to Kenwood from India, Lennon got very drunk on 
> scotch and coke and confessed that there had been other women during his time 
> with her. He detailed every groupie, friends of hers (such as Joan Baez, and 
> Maureen Cleave) and told her about "thousands" of women around the globe.[82] 
> She was totally taken aback at the time and simply replied, "That's OK".[83] 
> Two weeks later, in May 1968, Lennon suggested that she take a holiday in 
> Greece with Mardas, Donovan and two friends. Lennon said that he would be 
> very busy recording The White Album and that it would do her some good to 
> take a break.[83]
> The beginning of the end for the Lennon's marriage came when she 
> arrived back at Kenwood one day early from Greece on 22 May 1968, to discover 
> Lennon and Ono sitting cross-legged on the floor, staring into each others 
> eyes, and then found Ono's slippers outside their bedroom door.[84] She 
> gathered a few things and asked Jenny Boyd and Mardas if she could spend the 
> night at their apartment. At the apartment Boyd went straight to bed, but 
> Mardas got Cynthia drunk and tried to convince her that they should both run 
> away together. After she had been sick in the bathroom she collapsed on a bed 
> in the spare bedroom, but Mardas joined her and tried to kiss her until she 
> pushed him away.[85]
> Lennon seemed absolutely normal when she returned to Kenwood the next 
> day, and maintained his love for her and Julian.[86] Lennon went to New York 
> with McCartney shortly after and told her she could not go with them, so she 
> went on a trip to Italy with her mother.[87] Mardas appeared during the 
> holiday in Italy and broke the news that Lennon was planning to sue her for 
> divorce on grounds of adultery, seek sole custody of Julian, and send Cynthia 
> "back to Hoylake".[88] She said in 2005: "The mere fact that ‘Magic Alex’ 
> [Mardas] arriv

[FairfieldLife] 'Was the Resurrection Real?'

[Robert]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/big-fat-story/2009-04-11/was-the-resurrection-real/


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chicken and bacon sandwich for lunch

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  wrote:
>  Each tube contains 21oz (595g) of Squeez Bacon®.
> > 16 servings - equivalent to 64 slices of bacon!
> > Bottled in Sweden, made from U.S. bred swine.
> > Shelf Life of 12 years.
> > No refrigeration needed.
> > Jätte gott!
> > 
> > 
> > Mmmm, 12 year shelf life @ room temperature.
> > Mmmm, must have nitrites galore.
> > What could be more satvic?
> > Mmmm, 64 slices.
> > 
> >
> 
> ***
> 
> Sorry to disappoint all you baconophiles, but this was an April Fool's Day 
> joke:
> 
> http://bacontoday.com/squeeze-bacon/
>


Oh man, now yer prolly gonna tell me the bacon
stuffed pillow I ordered isn't coming,

http://www.royalbaconsociety.com/blog/category/bacon-gifts/

that there is no Easter bunny, and that Yogic
Flyers don't.  

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[raunchydog]

Where does it end, Edg?  It ends when a man marries a box turtle.

"It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a
box turtle. But that does not mean it is right. . . . Now you must raise
your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on
the same legal footing as man and wife."

-- Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.), advocating a constitutional ban on
same-sex marriage in a prepared speech for the  Heritage Foundation, but
mistakenly delivered to the press.




  [http://craphound.com/images/boxturtlemarriage.jpg]

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/ 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> "Alex Stanley" wrote:Why should the government's legal recognition of
committed couples, and all the secular benefits and protections that go
with it, be denied certain individuals on the basis of superstitious
beliefs? I'm totally cool with religious institutions being free to not
perform same-sex marriage ceremonies, but I think the legal aspects of
marriage should be available to all couples, regardless of gender.
>
> Alex,
>
> Where does it end? When will your sense of "what's acceptable" be
thoroughly challenged? How much moral wiggle-room can you accept?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
> 
> I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal 
> experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most 
> mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily 
> news concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses.
> 
> At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was 
> having that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me 
> and indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.)  At worst we have a 
> PT Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy 
> our common sense.  The epistemological basis is "the self-proclaimed witness 
> asserted it."
> 
> 
> The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To take 
> them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  Like the magic 
> carpet in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring 
> metaphors for our human spirit (however you want to define that.)  But rugs 
> and people don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity 
> to our most ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level 
> with all the tools we have discovered.  We can do better than to accept a 
> preposterous claim because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving 
> context of their favorite "Saint."
> (snip)
Perhaps she suffered from 'Alice in Wonderland' syndrome...
Alice in Wonderland syndrome
 

Description:
A psychopathological syndrome of distorted space, time and body image. The 
patient has a feeling that the entire body or parts of it have been altered in 
shape and size (metamorphosis), associated with visual hallucinations.

Psychoanalytic interpretation by Todd has made more understandable and 
plausible the illusionary dreams, feeling of levitation, and alteration in the 
sense of passage of time that Alice experienced. Alice trod the paths and 
byways of a wonderland well known to Carroll, her creator, who suffered 
severely from migraine. The majority of patients have personal or family 
history of migraine.

In Lippman's report, one of the patients stated that she felt short and wide as 
she walked, calling this a "tweedlike dum" or "tweedle dee" feeling. Associated 
disorders may include apraxia, agnosia, language disorders, feelings of déjà vu 
or jamais vu, dreamlike or trancelike states, and delirium.

The disorder was first described in 1955 by the English psychiatrist John Todd 
(1914-1987), who named it for Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.

The Cheshire Cat syndrome is another medical eponym taken from Alice in 
Wonderland. It was first described by the British physician Eric George 
Lapthorne Bywaters (born 1910) in 1968.

http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/1779.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
>
> Robert wrote:
> > From Cynthia Lennon's biography...
> >
> Well, Robert, a 'biography' is usually written
> in the first person. But by all counts John
> Lennon was not a very nice guy. He was a liar
> and a profligate of the worst kind, and a
> hypocrite. Patti Boyd doesn't have any good 
> things to report about the rascal either.
> (snip)
Well, many biography's are written on many people.
An autobiography is written by the person, on his or hers own life.
This was taken from Wikipedia, so I labeled it as a biography.

Lennon was not perfect, and was born into a very dysfunctional situation.
Most people remember him, for his genius.
Many genius' live on the edge, so this is not so much a surprise.
Perhaps if he had not come into contact with Yoko, things might have been 
better.
Particularly if he had stayed on with Maharishi a bit longer, and not ever 
decided to live in NYC.
It is obvious that Cynthia Lennon loved him then, and still loves him now...
It's a shame he didn't stay on with Cynthia.
But that's just my opinion.
I think Yoko was a 'draining' kind of gal, draining John of energy, and 
confidence.
In case you can't tell, I'm not a big fan of Yoko Ono.
R.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chicken and bacon sandwich for lunch

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  wrote:
 Each tube contains 21oz (595g) of Squeez Bacon®.
> 16 servings - equivalent to 64 slices of bacon!
> Bottled in Sweden, made from U.S. bred swine.
> Shelf Life of 12 years.
> No refrigeration needed.
> Jätte gott!
> 
> 
> Mmmm, 12 year shelf life @ room temperature.
> Mmmm, must have nitrites galore.
> What could be more satvic?
> Mmmm, 64 slices.
> 
>

***

Sorry to disappoint all you baconophiles, but this was an April Fool's Day joke:

http://bacontoday.com/squeeze-bacon/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Drinking and Cigars: a recognized religious rite and requirement

[pranamoocher]

I had a deeply religious experience this afternoon with a delicious
cigar and a Fat Tire to smooth it down.
I wholeheartedly invite all others to incorporate these religious
experiences into their routines.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Just after meeting with Roosevelt and Stalin in Yalta, Churchill met
with the Saudi king. At a state dinner in Saudi Arabia, the muslim
prohibition against alcohol and smoking was to be observed at the dinner
for Churchill. Churchill in no uncertain terms  told the king's minister
that smoking cigars after dining, and drinking before, during and after
dinner was a fundamental part of his religion and he was obliged to
follow his religious doctrine. The king obliged Mr. Churchill.
> >
> > So its is clear that drinking and smoking are religious activities
-- at least to some -- and by the logic of this forum, that makes it a
religious act. Thus we must ban drinking and smoking at all publicly
funded schools! A hard blow to an honored tradition I know. Imagine,
sober kids in school! And during sessions of congress. Its absolutely
mandated by the constitution (following the logic of some prior posts).
> >
>
> I'm sensing some bitterness and frustration.
>
> What's next? Prohibitions on consensual sex?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[pranamoocher]

Bravo- More, more!
Perhaps a Part II, with the conversation that occurs once the 16 year
old chick has been "initiated" and has to tell her friends all about her
new habits.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
>
>
> I'm on a sugar rush from so many easter eggs (the true meaning
> of this holiday) so I'm going to quickly rattle off a few, what
> I see as honest, answers to Turq's excellent quiz.
>
>
>
> >
> > THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST
> >
> > When answering the following questions, assume that
> > the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl,
> > an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM
> > in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who
> > has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to
> > clear up a few questions so that she can in turn
> > clear them up with her parents so that they will
> > sign the permission slip she needs to partake in
> > the DLF "Quiet Time" program. She is looking to you
> > for honest answers.
> >
> > 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians.
> > They are concerned that I might be getting involved
> > in a different religion. Is TM based in religion?
>
> Yes, but you'd never know as we do it all in a foreign
> language and tell you it's "meaningless sounds". Clever eh?
> By the time you realise you'll be hooked and much more
> forgiving especially when you hear Maharishi's discourse
> on how TM is the actual root of *all* religion.
>
>
> > 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web
> > that there are only a few and that they are given
> > out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all
> > of the kids in my class (who are all the same age
> > I am) are going to get the same mantra?
>
> Actually there are many hundreds of possible mantras
> but we only use ** and we choose them on the basis
> of  ***. But we like to give the impression that it's
> all hugely complex and mysterious and that we have secret
> knowledge.
>
> But don't tell each other what mantras you have because
> it won't work anymore and we don't give refunds.
>
>
> > 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the
> > Web that in India they are considered either the
> > names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev-
> > eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is
> > this correct?
>
> I wouldn't know they don't teach us much at all about
> things like this.
>
>
> > 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web
> > I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled*
> > with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to
> > these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked
> > to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these
> > deiites?
>
> Yes, but don't worry. Unless you are forbidden by your
> religion to have other gods you'll be OK. Besides they
> weren't Hindu gods when they became part of our tradition
> as TM pre-dates Hinduism.
>
> Trust me, TM is not a religion. I may spend four hours
> a day meditating and doing yoga and saying grace before
> meals and believe in mystical fields of consciousness
> creating the universe moment by moment but it's not a
> religion.
>
>
> > 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no
> > mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under-
> > stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites,
> > and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I
> > found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS
> > of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up
> > in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this?
> > Who are these people? And why does it look as if the
> > tm.org Website has been "cleaned up" to remove all
> > mention of them? For example, here is a photo of
> > one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America:
> > http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n
>
> It's our embarrassing little secret. Maharishi wanted
> us to dress up like this and we could never say no.
> Plus we actually like being king for a day.
>
> However, a little voice at the back of our heads warns
> us about appearing in public in our costumes. Especially
> near celebrities who would probably sue us for the damage
> it would do to their credibility.
>
> Plus, it's our policy to let people in gently to what we
> are all about. Too much enlightenment at once can be
> dangerous!
>
> Don't worry so much you'll get used to it. Maybe.
>
> > 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO
> > run the TM organization, why aren't there any women
> > among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some
> > kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization?
>
> No, just different. It's the vedic teaching that women
> should be nurturing and supportive of their men. Making a
> happy safe home while the men do the difficult stuff in
> life. Don't worry your pretty little head over it.
>
> And at certain "times of the month" you may not feel
> so welcome around town. This is because ancient scripture
> says you're unclean at these t

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[satvadude108]

A "step up."

Well, I guess you answered that question.

Have you ever considered The Latter Day Saints?
I hear they are hiring.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> Well that is a step up from the SIMS years -- when they were "fair game".
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > compost1uk made an honest attempt to answer your
> > > > The answer to your question is a definite "Yes."
> > > Women are definitely second-class citizens in
> > > the TM movement.
> > > 
> > In fact women are not even called "women" in the TMO. They are only 
> > referred to as "ladies".
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Drinking and Cigars: a recognized religious rite and requirement

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> Just after meeting with Roosevelt and Stalin in Yalta, Churchill met with the 
> Saudi king. At a state dinner in Saudi Arabia, the muslim prohibition against 
> alcohol and smoking was to be observed at the dinner for Churchill. Churchill 
> in no uncertain terms  told the king's minister that smoking cigars after 
> dining, and drinking before, during and after dinner was a fundamental part 
> of his religion and he was obliged to follow his religious doctrine. The king 
> obliged Mr. Churchill.  
> 
> So its is clear that drinking and smoking are religious activities -- at 
> least to some -- and by the logic of this forum, that makes it a religious 
> act. Thus we must ban drinking and smoking at all publicly funded schools! A 
> hard blow to an honored tradition I know. Imagine, sober kids in school! And 
> during sessions of congress. Its absolutely mandated by the constitution 
> (following the logic of some prior posts).
>

I'm sensing some bitterness and frustration. 

What's next? Prohibitions on consensual sex?

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[satvadude108]

---Metanoia

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Judy,
> 
> I could easily respond to your post, and the issue is important, and you have 
> spotlit some nuances that need clarification, but you didn't react to my 
> sincerely meant attempt to understand your meaning of the word "empathy" 
> except to smack me gratuitously, and so, hey, you simply do not fucking 
> deserve a response to your post below.
> 
> In fact, let me openly declare that -- until you rejected my attempt to 
> understand your usage -- I was in the mindset of "Judy contributes here  as 
> much as Turq," but your recent fuck-you-Edg was the last straw, (meaning 
> you've called me names time and time again) and, finally, the scales have 
> fallen from my eyes, and I now see that I was being way wrong whenever I was 
> knee-jerkingly being an apologist for you here, and that, Turq, by a 
> landslide, is far far more often a  contributor of positivity here.
> 
> Turq, I apologize for thinking otherwise.   Not that you're not a odious 
> clod, but that, despite your dark side, you can be counted on to frequently 
> bring juicy stuff to the fore -- you stir our mix here.
> 
> Judy, you are commonly, frequently, dedicatedly seen to try to stifle the 
> dialogue here, and abusing the messenger is your common tool -- one that you 
> cannot deny.
> 
> So, just in case you're still reading, take your red pencil mind and scribble 
> your way to hell.  I'm as done with you as I am with Willy.  I'd rather have 
> interaction with Off, Shemp and Nab.
> 
> Ta ta -- please  keep having the life you're saying you have -- it seems a 
> fitting punishment for what you are.
> 
> Edg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Have YOU killed the baby Jesus yet today?

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> Today is the day of celebrating the macabre day of deicide: Easter.
> 
> Kill the son of God...and then EAT him, symbolically, in the form of some 
> wafer.
> 
> And then DRINK his blood in the form of wine.
> 
> Then top it all off with a hearty meal of either pig flesh or lamb.   Mm.
> 
> Once when a born again Christian (who also happened to be a TM teacher) told 
> Maharishi that Christ died for his sins, Maharishi replied: "Did he die for 
> you or did he live for you?"
> (snip)
Great observation, simple and true...
The whole 'Died for YOu'...is so absurd.
The Romans had a bizarre sense of humor.
But, you can imagine a whole stadium full of them, cheering the ripping apart 
of human being, while they got drunk, and went home to screw.
Crazy Religion!
R.G.
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chicken and bacon sandwich for lunch

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps a sign of the AoE will be when Iowa shuts down all of its pig 
> > > > > slaughter farms. .
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Where are we going to get our bacon then?
> > > > Nebraska?
> > > > Sweden?
> > > > 
> > > > http://snipurl.com/fpe9t
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Hawk meat?
> > >
> > 
> > That's barbaric.
> >
> 
> Thats my point.
> 
> And the wholesale slaughter of pigs, chickens and beef is not barbaric?
> 
> My repsonse was to satvadude108's need for pork (pumps up the satva, I am 
> sure). Why is killing pork for meat less barbaric than killing hawks for meat?
>

The website points out it is:

"The World's Most Perfect Food."

Each tube contains 21oz (595g) of Squeez Bacon®.
16 servings - equivalent to 64 slices of bacon!
Bottled in Sweden, made from U.S. bred swine.
Shelf Life of 12 years.
No refrigeration needed.
Jätte gott!


Mmmm, 12 year shelf life @ room temperature.
Mmmm, must have nitrites galore.
What could be more satvic?
Mmmm, 64 slices.

Hawks are kinda dry and stringy, like Condor.
Best to wrap then in bacon before putting them
on the rotisserie.   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[lurkernomore20002000]

Funny, in the background here at home my son is playing John Lennon's "Imagine" 
on his little electric keyboard.  Imagine, really, Nabby becoming more 
tolerant. I typically don't read his posts because I sort of know what to 
expect.  And the couple I did read recently seemed pretty insulting.  I would 
like to believe Nabby is becoming more tolerant. But I don't see much evidence 
of it.  

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even 
> > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> 
> I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the hook 
> for your behavior here.  But I believe the reality is much simpler.  You just 
> don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never found that 
> arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything interesting.
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  
> > > > > > To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence 
> > > > > > today.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> > > > limited understanding of just about anything. 
> > > > 
> > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult.
> > > >
> > >   On miracles and such,  is it safe to say anything can't be so because 
> > > it is not in our experience or belief?
> > 
> > Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the 
> > deranged intuition of the particular individual.
> > 
> > 
> > >   On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a 
> > > level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.
> > 
> > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. 
> > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even 
> > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:

This post is what I mean by the term "thoughtful."  Nice one Kirk.


>
> Typical immature narcissism spewing forth as rage and inability to consider 
> other's views or feelings.  I suggest early negative relationships from both 
> parents and siblings.  None of which have ever been worked through so that 
> they are repeated here with all others.
> 
> Meditation can be used as a mask for ones feelings while at the same time it 
> makes those feelings even more appparent.
> 
> TM alone though cannot work out our maladaptive tendencies without further 
> psycho/physical discovery. It's too bad that TM doesn't consider any other 
> type of system as being beneficial. Maharishi is much to blame for this as 
> he thought all therapy outside of his tradition like 'shooting in the dark."
> 
> Ironic then that steady TMers often come across as loose cannons, shooting 
> through fog. I feel pity for Nab, but IMO that doesn't let him off the hook 
> for being a messy mind. He obviously needs help. I believe that most people 
> here can easily ascertain that.
> 
> Many here need help. Without naming names, a few here are patently OCD.
> 
> The day in which we decide to proactively seek a method for bettering 
> ourselves is the day we could be said to be following the path of Dharma. 
> Until then we are merely footballs getting kicked around by happenstance.
> 
> TM alone is not a cure for samskara. Because we still live in karma. We need 
> to learn every method to develop. Openness to ourselves and inner honesty is 
> a sign of maturity.  But narcissism may betray us by giving us a sense of 
> rightness about our negative conditioning.
> 
> Moreover, a person needs to learn to not act from negativity but from 
> compassion. A system which just applies to the retreat setting will not 
> necessarily carry over into activity.
> 
> The way to figure out our intention is to question from where the motive for 
> any action stems. Simply put, does the action stem from warmth or coldness? 
> From pain or pleasure? From seeking to benefit others, or from inner rage at 
> them.
> 
> Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until we cannot even read our 
> own feelings any longer. A habitual liar will not any longer be able to tell 
> the truth, to others, nor to themselves. Therefore what is really needed is 
> the sense of questing for unadulterated truth.  If a seeker doesn't have 
> that thirst for truth then they cannot ever find it in anything.  And they 
> certainly will not come across as being serious about their quest.
> 
> Most likely they will be led astray by any person of charisma.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "curtisdeltablues" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:15 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta 
> >> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows 
> >> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise 
> >> :-)
> >
> > I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the 
> > hook for your behavior here.  But I believe the reality is much simpler. 
> > You just don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never 
> > found that arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything 
> > interesting.
> >
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. 
> >> > > > > To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence 
> >> > > > > today.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> >> > > limited understanding of just about anything.
> >> > >
> >> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an 
> >> > > insult.
> >> > >
> >> >   On miracles and such,  is it safe to say anything can't be so because 
> >> > it is not in our experience or belief?
> >>
> >> Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the 
> >> deranged intuition of the particular individual.
> >>
> >>
> >> >   On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have 
> >> > a level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.
> >>
> >> It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary.
> >> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta 
> >> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows 
> >> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise 
> >> :-)
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[Kirk]

Typical immature narcissism spewing forth as rage and inability to consider 
other's views or feelings.  I suggest early negative relationships from both 
parents and siblings.  None of which have ever been worked through so that 
they are repeated here with all others.

Meditation can be used as a mask for ones feelings while at the same time it 
makes those feelings even more appparent.

TM alone though cannot work out our maladaptive tendencies without further 
psycho/physical discovery. It's too bad that TM doesn't consider any other 
type of system as being beneficial. Maharishi is much to blame for this as 
he thought all therapy outside of his tradition like 'shooting in the dark."

Ironic then that steady TMers often come across as loose cannons, shooting 
through fog. I feel pity for Nab, but IMO that doesn't let him off the hook 
for being a messy mind. He obviously needs help. I believe that most people 
here can easily ascertain that.

Many here need help. Without naming names, a few here are patently OCD.

The day in which we decide to proactively seek a method for bettering 
ourselves is the day we could be said to be following the path of Dharma. 
Until then we are merely footballs getting kicked around by happenstance.

TM alone is not a cure for samskara. Because we still live in karma. We need 
to learn every method to develop. Openness to ourselves and inner honesty is 
a sign of maturity.  But narcissism may betray us by giving us a sense of 
rightness about our negative conditioning.

Moreover, a person needs to learn to not act from negativity but from 
compassion. A system which just applies to the retreat setting will not 
necessarily carry over into activity.

The way to figure out our intention is to question from where the motive for 
any action stems. Simply put, does the action stem from warmth or coldness? 
>From pain or pleasure? From seeking to benefit others, or from inner rage at 
them.

Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until we cannot even read our 
own feelings any longer. A habitual liar will not any longer be able to tell 
the truth, to others, nor to themselves. Therefore what is really needed is 
the sense of questing for unadulterated truth.  If a seeker doesn't have 
that thirst for truth then they cannot ever find it in anything.  And they 
certainly will not come across as being serious about their quest.

Most likely they will be led astray by any person of charisma.

- Original Message - 
From: "curtisdeltablues" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta 
>> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows 
>> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise 
>> :-)
>
> I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the 
> hook for your behavior here.  But I believe the reality is much simpler. 
> You just don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never 
> found that arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything 
> interesting.
>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>> >
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. 
>> > > > > To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence 
>> > > > > today.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
>> > > limited understanding of just about anything.
>> > >
>> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an 
>> > > insult.
>> > >
>> >   On miracles and such,  is it safe to say anything can't be so because 
>> > it is not in our experience or belief?
>>
>> Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the 
>> deranged intuition of the particular individual.
>>
>>
>> >   On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have 
>> > a level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.
>>
>> It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary.
>> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta 
>> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows 
>> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise 
>> :-)
>>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Or go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the 
> most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)

I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the hook 
for your behavior here.  But I believe the reality is much simpler.  You just 
don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never found that 
arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything interesting.

>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To 
> > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> > > limited understanding of just about anything. 
> > > 
> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult.
> > >
> >   On miracles and such,  is it safe to say anything can't be so because it 
> > is not in our experience or belief?
> 
> Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the 
> deranged intuition of the particular individual.
> 
> 
> >   On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a 
> > level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.
> 
> It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. 
> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the 
> most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:


> Once again:   "God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands"
> 
> God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
> heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
> Acts 17:24
> 
> 
> Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God 
> dwelleth in you?
> 1 Corinthians 3:16

So let's see, if God dwells in you and you go to a temple, does God then dwell 
in the temple too? Try not to strain too muchduh!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% 
> > > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, 
> > > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic 
> > > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > What do you mean by "commoner?"
> > > > 
> > > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that 
> > > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have 
> > > > been fooled when it is too late.
> > > 
> > > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, 
> > > still waiting for "heaven on earth" 
> > > and Maitreya.
> > 
> > In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, 
> > finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and 
> > various "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. 
> > 
> > The fool of fools really.
> 
> 
> Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what would 
> be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a  Missionary. 
> 
> I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able to 
> feed his dogs.
>
Do tell Nabby. What are you going to do to get himsome kind of yagya? Damn, 
so many of us want to be more like you! 

[FairfieldLife] Conyers Publishes Report Documenting Bush Abuses

[Arhata Osho]

Let's see if it's leading to a formal hearing. Respect the Presidency, not 
necessarily the President's actions.
Arhata






  
  Judiciary Chairman Conyers Publishes Report Documenting Bush Abuses

http://freedetainee s.org/4946

 



Source: U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman John 
Conyers, Jr. (D-MI)



Today, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) announced 
the publication of the final version of the Democratic Committee staff report 
on systematic abuses of presidential power during the Bush administration. The 
report, titled "Reining in the Imperial Presidency: Lessons and Recommendations 
Relating to the Presidency of George W. Bush," contains 50 separate 
recommendations designed to correct the imbalanced separation of power that 
characterized the George W. Bush presidency. 



Chief among Conyers' recommendations include continued congressional 
investigations like those the Judiciary Committee has pursued concerning Karl 
Rove's interactions with the Justice Department, a blue ribbon commission 
similar to the panel proposed in Chairman Conyers' H.R. 104, and independent 
criminal probes to be conducted by federal prosecutors.

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% 
> > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, 
> > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic 
> > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> > > > 
> > > > What do you mean by "commoner?"
> > > 
> > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that 
> > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have 
> > > been fooled when it is too late.
> > 
> > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, 
> > still waiting for "heaven on earth" 
> > and Maitreya.
> 
> In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, 
> finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various 
> "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. 
> 
> The fool of fools really.

Ahhh, Nabby, the TMO's great defender. Nabby, I read your posts, like the one 
above where you've decided that Barry is homeless and living in a shelter, and 
think "man, I want to be more like that guy!".

Re: [FairfieldLife] Easter Bunny Identity Theft

[Mike Dixon]

Baby animals are too cute!

--- On Sun, 4/12/09, raunchydog  wrote:

From: raunchydog 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Easter Bunny Identity Theft
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 11:46 PM












































  

[FairfieldLife] Easter Bunny Identity Theft

[raunchydog]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Used Cargo Containers Becoming Homes in US

[Mike Dixon]

Yeah! Just like in Slum dog Millionaire!

--- On Sun, 4/12/09, I am the eternal  wrote:

From: I am the eternal 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Used Cargo Containers Becoming Homes in US
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 11:32 PM








http://www.inhabita t.com/2009/ 04/10/container- nation-multi- family-housing- 
in-utah/

http://tinyurl. com/cayrat
















  

[FairfieldLife] Used Cargo Containers Becoming Homes in US

[I am the eternal]

http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/04/10/container-nation-multi-family-housing-in-utah/

http://tinyurl.com/cayrat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[Kirk]

You win! You have reserved a spot in my trashbin. Bye Bye Nab.

- Original Message - 
From: "nablusoss1008" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>> >
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100%
>> > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners,
>> > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic
>> > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > What do you mean by "commoner?"
>> > >
>> > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that
>> > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have
>> > > been fooled when it is too late.
>> >
>> > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed,
>> > still waiting for "heaven on earth"
>> > and Maitreya.
>>
>> In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from 
>> home, finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama 
>> and various "Buddhists" cults was a mistake.
>>
>> The fool of fools really.
>
>
> Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what 
> would be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a 
> Missionary.
>
> I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able 
> to feed his dogs.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Or go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% 
> > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, 
> > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic 
> > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> > > > 
> > > > What do you mean by "commoner?"
> > > 
> > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that 
> > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have 
> > > been fooled when it is too late.
> > 
> > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, 
> > still waiting for "heaven on earth" 
> > and Maitreya.
> 
> In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, 
> finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various 
> "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. 
> 
> The fool of fools really.


Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what would 
be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a  Missionary. 

I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able to 
feed his dogs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% 
> > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, 
> > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic 
> > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> > > 
> > > What do you mean by "commoner?"
> > 
> > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that 
> > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have 
> > been fooled when it is too late.
> 
> In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, 
> still waiting for "heaven on earth" 
> and Maitreya.

In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, 
finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various 
"Buddhists" cults was a mistake. 

The fool of fools really.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
>
> though i hold a different opinion about TM than Barry does, i have come to 
> appreciate his relentless focus on TM, advertising it for one and all. he is 
> one of the most prolific publicists of TM on the web, and i thank him for 
> that.

Barry is a great advocate for TM. When the readers of his rants comes to 
understand the this confused "Buddhist" was a TM'er more than thirty years ago, 
yet what he focus on today is solely TM, they surely becomes interested in TM, 
Maharishi, Guru Dev and the Holy Tradition.

Keep up the good work Barry ! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% 
> > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, 
> > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic 
> > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> > 
> > What do you mean by "commoner?"
> 
> Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that 
> follow the mainstream and that only understand they have 
> been fooled when it is too late.

In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, 
still waiting for "heaven on earth" 
and Maitreya.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Sperm from Dead

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho  wrote:
>
> Poll: Should Harvesting Sperm Samples From The Dead 
> To Produce Replacements Be Allowed?
>   
> Missy Evans, mother of a son who was punched in the head, 
> who then fell, hit his head and died about a week later, 
> wants to harvest her son's sperm so she can produce a 
> child many believe will replace her son. Should dead 
> people's reproductive cells be harvested so replacements 
> could be created? 

I think it should be allowed if it is not
gender-specific and women's eggs can be 
also frozen for the purpose of cloning.

This could provide relief for rich men 
who trade in one woman for a younger 
version of the same woman, and do so 
repeatedly. For example, John Derek 
(Ursula Andress, Linda Evans, and Bo 
Derek) or Clint Eastwood (Maggie 
Eastwood and Sondra Locke). With clon-
ing these guys would not have to settle 
for "approximately the same woman only 
younger," they could actually create 
the same woman only younger.

Hey, don't get offended...that's what 
such a technology would really be used 
for, and within a few years of it being 
developed, and we all know it.

Dead is dead. Let it stay that way...

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even 
> > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> >
> 
> 
> 
> What do you mean by "commoner?"

Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that follow the mainstream 
and that only understand they have been fooled when it is too late. 

[FairfieldLife] Save Sperm from Dead

[Arhata Osho]

By Rob Kall

   Poll: Should Harvesting Sperm Samples From The 
Dead To Produce Replacements  Be Allowed?


Missy Evans, mother of a son who was punched in the head, who then
fell, hit his head and died about a week later, wants to harvest her
son's sperm so she can produce a child many believe will replace her
son. Should dead people's reproductive cells be harvesed so
replacements could be created? 



http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[enlightened_dawn11]

though i hold a different opinion about TM than Barry does, i have come to 
appreciate his relentless focus on TM, advertising it for one and all. he is 
one of the most prolific publicists of TM on the web, and i thank him for that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>  
> > > > For the record, as a matter of principle, I
> > > > don't respond to questions or make statements
> > > > under threat of being "certified" as a Bad
> > > > Person if I decline.
> > > 
> > > Ooh how convenient. 
> 
> Obviously it's the *opposite* of convenient.
> 
> > And how cowardly.
> 
> No, what's cowardly is *responding* to a question
> posed in such a manner. But what's even *more*
> cowardly is posing it that way in the first place.
> 
> It doesn't really take much courage, however, for
> me to risk being called a coward by Barry. It's
> only Barry's exaggerated sense of self-importance
> that leads him to think anybody would take his
> threat seriously.
> 
> 
> > Having posted these questions, I have been
> > quietly sitting back and allowing those who
> > still have a pair of balls on them (and I 
> > think we all know who that does *not* include) 
> > to have a go at answering them. And the "pat 
> > answers" provided *would*, in fact, qualify 
> > those who provided them for "Almost TM Teacher" 
> > status. They were right out of the TMO playbook.
> 
> Note that Barry's framing of the questions is
> deliberately ambiguous, so he can play both
> ends against the middle. The "pat" responses a 
> committed TM teacher would give would be very
> different from those I would give, for example;
> but even the most outspoken TM critic could
> easily provide *the same "pat" answers* as the
> committed TM teacher (especially since most of
> the critics here have *been* TM teachers).
> 
> In other words, being able to provide the "pat"
> answers says nothing in and of itself about the
> person providing them (except perhaps about how
> good their memory is).
> 
> And then the ultimate in Barry-irony:
> 
> 
> > The means are not justified by the ends. The means
> > ARE the end. If you lie by commission or omission 
> > to theoretically achieve a "good end," you are still 
> > performing the action of lying. And that action has
> > a karma attached to it.
> 
> How much karma does Barry think is attached to his
> countless performances of the act of lying on FFL
> (and earlier on alt.m.t)?
> 
> But let's see how Barry gets around this little
> problem. The following is from a post of Barry's on
> alt.m.t back around 2003 that I ran across awhile
> ago and have been saving:
> 
> "Instead of the notion of a fixed 'reality,' we
> [Buddhists, in context] tend to believe that there
> are different ways of *perceiving* the world around us.
> If you glom onto to one of them, and decide that this 
> particular way of seeing things represents 'reality,'
> then that way of seeing *becomes* your reality
> 
> "Since we [Buddhists] are not attached to any
> particular description of the world as being 'reality,'
> we are free to choose the description that seems most
> appropriate to the moment, and just go with it."
> 
> Gosh, I wonder whether this is where I first got the
> idea that Barry prefers to create his own reality?
> 
> But we have to realize that *only Buddhists like
> Barry* get to choose the description of reality that
> seems most appropriate to the moment. Others--especially
> TMers--must choose the description of reality that is
> most appropriate *to Barry* at the moment. Otherwise,
> you see, we are being dishonest and accruing bad
> karma.
> 
> Then just to finish off this excursion into
> Barry-irony-lalaland:
> 
> "To respond to insults on the level of insults, one
> has to enter the state of attention of insults.  I've
> done more than enough of that over the years here,
> dude.  I think it's time for a change."
> 
> Well, apparently it wasn't time just *quite* yet.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
> Nowblowus a dit:

Don't worry Kirk. All will be well.
No go and take your medication.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the 
> most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
>



What do you mean by "commoner?"  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiculturalism Channel

[Vaj]

On Apr 12, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:




On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Vaj wrote:

I read a book several years ago on technology in the middle ages  
and what we now know, as compared to just 50 years ago, has quite  
changed. It turns out a lot of Arabic technology and innovation  
came from China, as a spur off the silk road came into that region.  
It's only recently thanks to a British institute that collects  
accumulated wisdom and western contacts with China that this has  
come to light. This would have been at the then eastern border of  
the Roman empire. It turns out the Arabs were mainly great  
transmitters of knowledge they'd received. Another huge source was  
India--Baghdad itself was designed by sthapatis


Cosmic .


-- there was actually an old Sanskrit university in Mesopotamia.

But having said that one of the greatest ancient civilizations  
would have to be the Achaemenid Empire.


Oh, yeah, I almost forgot about them.

My first guess on the troubadours would have been pagan survivals  
like the scholares vagantes,


Vaj, just out of idle curiosity, do you ever get
tired of showing off arcane factoids or
bringing up crap that serves little purpose
except to maybe miff everyone?  Are we
supposed to be impressed by your grasp
of endless historical and spiritual trivia?


I don't care what you do, it's just my observation on an interesting  
topic. Why on earth someone would get miffed is beyond me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[enlightened_dawn11]

if this is you sober...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
> Nowblowus a dit:
> 
> > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary.
> > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even 
> > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
> 
> And yet your writing is very common, hypocritical, and generally devoid of 
> intelligence. Seems you are angry at yourself for producing the lackluster 
> and common dialectic that you yourself despise. Then you reify it as coming 
> from others.  How could it be otherwise? Since you often are not even on the 
> same page with other contributors here.  I suggest that you're borderline 
> psychopathic - not pitta. To be pitta you must have some constitution to 
> begin with, whereas in your case character and constitution seem utterly 
> disintegrated to begin with.
>

[FairfieldLife] MOBY: TM, the lazy person's path - do less and accomplish more...

[enlightened_dawn11]

Dance music superstar MOBY regrets not dedicating his life to transcendental 
meditation earlier - because it's a lazy man's dream.
The hitmaker admits he rallied against most things connected to yoga and 
meditation for years because he was raised by hippies and the whole idea of it 
"scared the s**t" out of him.

He explains, "I thought that TM involved ritual animal sacrifice and moving to 
some country and renouncing wealth and materialism."
But, after learning his moviemaker hero David Lynch was one of the world's 
leading practitioners of transcendental meditation, Moby decided to give it a 
go.

And he says, "One of the things that impressed me so much about TM when I 
finally learned it was it's simplicity. It's a simple practice that calms the 
mind... and the thing that won me over about TM, apart from having my hero 
David Lynch as its vocal practitioner, was its effectiveness.

"Nothing else helped me quiet my mind and go to a calm, centred place. The 
thing that makes it effective is you don't have to do all that much, and, as a 
profoundly lazy person, I appreciate that."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/moby%20transcendental%20meditation%20is%20great_1100389

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[Kirk]

Nowblowus a dit:

> It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary.
> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
> which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even 
> the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)

And yet your writing is very common, hypocritical, and generally devoid of 
intelligence. Seems you are angry at yourself for producing the lackluster 
and common dialectic that you yourself despise. Then you reify it as coming 
from others.  How could it be otherwise? Since you often are not even on the 
same page with other contributors here.  I suggest that you're borderline 
psychopathic - not pitta. To be pitta you must have some constitution to 
begin with, whereas in your case character and constitution seem utterly 
disintegrated to begin with. 

[FairfieldLife] Easter kitty

[do.rflex]

Photo: http://snipurl.com/fr8t2

[FairfieldLife] Have YOU killed the baby Jesus yet today?

[shempmcgurk]

Today is the day of celebrating the macabre day of deicide: Easter.

Kill the son of God...and then EAT him, symbolically, in the form of some wafer.

And then DRINK his blood in the form of wine.

Then top it all off with a hearty meal of either pig flesh or lamb.   Mm.

Once when a born again Christian (who also happened to be a TM teacher) told 
Maharishi that Christ died for his sins, Maharishi replied: "Did he die for you 
or did he live for you?"

That God's son had to be killed in order to "save" all of humanity is a premise 
I reject wholly out of hand.  If that makes me demonic, then so be it.

But I suspect this sacrificing of God business and then trying to convince 
everyone that accepting this belief as the ONLY way to get to the Kingdom of 
Heaven is, in fact, the demonic approach.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Score a big one for Obama--captive freed, 3 pirates killed

[shempmcgurk]

...the rescue makes his presidency look that much less like it is Jimmy 
Carter's second term...

Great news.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97H2SJ00&show_article=1
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d53kk8
> 
> Breitbart.com
> 
> Official: US sea captain freed in swift firefight 
> Apr 12 01:09 PM US/Eastern
> By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and LARA JAKES
> Associated Press Writers
> 
> MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) - An American ship captain was freed unharmed
> Sunday in a swift firefight that killed three of the four Somali
> pirates who had been holding him for days in a lifeboat off the coast
> of Africa, the ship's owner said and a U.S. official said.
> 
> A senior U.S. intelligence official said a pirate who had been
> involved in negotiations to free Capt. Richard Phillips but who was
> not on the lifeboat was in custody.
> 
> Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was safely transported to a Navy
> warship nearby.
> 
> Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart said in a news
> release that the U.S. government informed the company around 1:30 p.m.
> EDT Sunday that Phillips had been rescued. Reinhart said the company
> called Phillips' wife, Andrea, to tell her the news.
> 
> The U.S. official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly
> and spoke on condition of anonymity. A Pentagon spokesman had no
> immediate comment.
> 
> When Phillips' crew heard the news aboard their ship in the port of
> Mombasa, they placed an American flag over the rail of the top of the
> Maersk Alabama and whistled and pumped their fists in the air. Crew
> fired a bright red flare into the sky from the ship.
> 
> A government official and others in Somali with knowledge of the
> situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips'
> release had broken down.
> 
> ___
> 
> Jakes reported from Washington. Associated Press writers who
> contributed to this report include Mohamed Olad Hassan and Mohamed
> Sheikh Nor in Mogadishu, Somalia and Michelle Faul and Tom Maliti in
> Nairobi, Kenya.
> 
> Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
> material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To 
> > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> > limited understanding of just about anything. 
> > 
> > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult.
> >
>   On miracles and such,  is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is 
> not in our experience or belief?

Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the deranged 
intuition of the particular individual.


>   On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a 
> level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.

It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. 
Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution 
which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the 
most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:

> >
>   On miracles and such,  is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is 
> not in our experience or belief?

This is really an important point.  How can we balance staying open minded with 
not chasing fantasy, how do we decide?  For me it is a matter of assigning 
probability and that is in turn determined by the reliability of the evidence.  
And the principle that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof 
describes how we can grow in knowledge without getting too sidetracked with low 
probability claims.

Our belief system should be subject to change for compelling reasons.  We all 
find our own balance for how to apply this. No one accepts all beliefs as 
equally likely.  The TB and the skeptic have both rejected a similar number of 
beliefs to arrive at the ones they do hold.  They just do so for different 
reasons.

>   On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a 
> level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.

This may be one of those claims that just doesn't seem to hold up to the 
evidence.  In my experience it is rare to find a person who holds spiritual 
beliefs who can discuss them without taking a personal shot at the person being 
skeptical.  But discussions here sometimes achieve that mutual respect and when 
it happens it is a beautiful thing~


>

[FairfieldLife] Score a big one for Obama--captive freed, 3 pirates killed

[I am the eternal]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97H2SJ00&show_article=1

http://tinyurl.com/d53kk8

Breitbart.com

Official: US sea captain freed in swift firefight   
Apr 12 01:09 PM US/Eastern
By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and LARA JAKES
Associated Press Writers

MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) - An American ship captain was freed unharmed
Sunday in a swift firefight that killed three of the four Somali
pirates who had been holding him for days in a lifeboat off the coast
of Africa, the ship's owner said and a U.S. official said.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said a pirate who had been
involved in negotiations to free Capt. Richard Phillips but who was
not on the lifeboat was in custody.

Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was safely transported to a Navy
warship nearby.

Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart said in a news
release that the U.S. government informed the company around 1:30 p.m.
EDT Sunday that Phillips had been rescued. Reinhart said the company
called Phillips' wife, Andrea, to tell her the news.

The U.S. official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly
and spoke on condition of anonymity. A Pentagon spokesman had no
immediate comment.

When Phillips' crew heard the news aboard their ship in the port of
Mombasa, they placed an American flag over the rail of the top of the
Maersk Alabama and whistled and pumped their fists in the air. Crew
fired a bright red flare into the sky from the ship.

A government official and others in Somali with knowledge of the
situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips'
release had broken down.

___

Jakes reported from Washington. Associated Press writers who
contributed to this report include Mohamed Olad Hassan and Mohamed
Sheikh Nor in Mogadishu, Somalia and Michelle Faul and Tom Maliti in
Nairobi, Kenya.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:

> Surely there are far more important questions one
> would ask and research when at that exalted state.
> Like: who is telling the truth, Turq or Judy?

Hey, no need for an exalted state to determine that.
In most cases, the archives of this forum (you know,
the Yahooshic Record) are all that's required.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:

Yeah I figured you had nothing but personal insults to offer but I figured I'd 
give you a chance.

As far as your denunciation of the common people's understanding of the 
unreliable nature of witnesses, you have just used the same kind of personal 
name calling rather than any intellectual points.

So as far as I can make out what your point is, you somehow have a sense of 
personal superiority to other people and believe that this substitutes for 
epistemological clarity, making any reasoned argument unnecessary for you.  You 
believe that by broadening your insulting remarks to include others who might 
also question a stated belief, you have contributed to the conversation here.

Well at least you have demonstrated your limited approach to intellectual 
discussions very well.


> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To 
> > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> > > limited understanding of just about anything. 
> > > 
> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an 
> > insult.
> > 
> > Your response doesn't surprise me.  When I question an idea, you come back 
> > with a personal insult.  It is your MO here. 
> > 
> > But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible 
> > evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long 
> > ago.  You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, 
> > instead of taking the easy way out.
> > 
> > And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to 
> > question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, 
> > because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of 
> > reasons.  By all means have a go at challenging this idea.
> 
> 
> Your socalled "intelligence" is simply mindboggeling. 
> 
> You claim the numerous eyewitnesses "make all sorts of mistakes for lots of 
> reasons". 
> It is also your claim that "it is common for most people". Well you certainly 
> claim the Throne of the "common people", often called the Chair of Stupidity, 
> Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU)
> 
> Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your "common" points 
> very clear indeed.
>

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
[...]
> How many twisted children, do you think, would this
> add, say, per year?
>

One of Tracy Ullman's recurring skits involved her as the 16-year-old daughter
of a gay male couple. It was hilarious watching the two men trying to cope
with the teenage daughter and her angst.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> 
> (And the air is so CLEAR now, I can actually see Nabs response, clear as day. 
> Its such a joy!)

HaHa, grate Bird indeed ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[grate . swan]

Ah, Heaven on Earth is Rising. The Brotherhood of Man unfolding. Universal Love 
triumphant. Maitraya lives fully in the heart of Nabs. Nabs words express His 
Fullness. Nabs is the reflection of all great things to come (and which are 
happening now!). The combination of TM and Maitraya bhakti are clearly THE path 
for most rapid evolution and the unfoldment of full human potential. 

(And the air is so CLEAR now, I can actually see Nabs response, clear as day. 
Its such a joy!)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To 
> > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> > > limited understanding of just about anything. 
> > > 
> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an 
> > insult.
> > 
> > Your response doesn't surprise me.  When I question an idea, you come back 
> > with a personal insult.  It is your MO here. 
> > 
> > But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible 
> > evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long 
> > ago.  You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, 
> > instead of taking the easy way out.
> > 
> > And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to 
> > question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, 
> > because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of 
> > reasons.  By all means have a go at challenging this idea.
> 
> 
> Your socalled "intelligence" is simply mindboggeling. 
> 
> You claim the numerous eyewitnesses "make all sorts of mistakes for lots of 
> reasons". 
> It is also your claim that "it is common for most people". Well you certainly 
> claim the Throne of the "common people", often called the Chair of Stupidity, 
> Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU)
> 
> Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your "common" points 
> very clear indeed.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To take 
> > > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> 
> 
> Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your limited 
> understanding of just about anything. 
> 
> There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult.
>
  On miracles and such,  is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is 
not in our experience or belief?
  On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a level 
of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiculturalism Channel

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Vaj wrote:

I read a book several years ago on technology in the middle ages and  
what we now know, as compared to just 50 years ago, has quite  
changed. It turns out a lot of Arabic technology and innovation came  
from China, as a spur off the silk road came into that region. It's  
only recently thanks to a British institute that collects  
accumulated wisdom and western contacts with China that this has  
come to light. This would have been at the then eastern border of  
the Roman empire. It turns out the Arabs were mainly great  
transmitters of knowledge they'd received. Another huge source was  
India--Baghdad itself was designed by sthapatis


Cosmic .


-- there was actually an old Sanskrit university in Mesopotamia.

But having said that one of the greatest ancient civilizations would  
have to be the Achaemenid Empire.


Oh, yeah, I almost forgot about them.

My first guess on the troubadours would have been pagan survivals  
like the scholares vagantes,


Vaj, just out of idle curiosity, do you ever get
tired of showing off arcane factoids or
bringing up crap that serves little purpose
except to maybe miff everyone?  Are we
supposed to be impressed by your grasp
of endless historical and spiritual trivia?

OK, we're impressed.  You can put away
the Cliff's Notes now.

the wandering scholars who used to sing Latin poetry and teach  
forbidden pagan classics. That or Celtic civilization. In any event  
it seems, much like alchemy, to be a pre-Christian survival.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How do we know we agree?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Grate.swan,
> 
> Hmmm.  
> 
> Again, it comes down to the meaning of a single word.  Always, it seems, when 
> we really want to know something, there's not a dictionary that can satisfy.
> 
> What does this word "agree" mean?
> 
> Whenever I read scriptures or the writings of gurus, I cannot help  but 
> resonate frequently.  So much is so clearly there behind the metaphors in 
> almost any attempt to grok the basis of existence, that I find it difficult 
> to believe that they are not, each and all,  talking about the same 
> thing/non-thing.
> 
> If Christ gave His sermon on the mount in ancient Asia -- what Taoist's  foot 
> would not be set to tapping?  When a Kabbalist speaks of Ein-sof, isn't the 
> Dali Lama nodding like a bobble-head on the tuck and roll of a low-rider's 
> '64 Chevy on a cobblestone road?
> 
> I mean, ask any mathematician about zero. It's not like zero's trying to 
> trick anyone into thinking it's a number like all the other numbers.  There 
> is not a "secret sect" of number jockeys eschewing the transcendental nature 
> of zero and calling for it to be seen as having some sort of value.
> 
> Or a stawberry for that matter.  Where are the hoards describing it as very 
> much like broccoli instead of much more like kiwi?
> 
> To me, agreement is a ballpark entered.
> 

Problem is, there are only so many ways you can describe inner qualia.

And while they all may sound the same, the physiological correlates may be 
different.

Or perhaps not.

Buddhist meditation evokes coherent gamma, but in fact, according to
signal processing theory, coherent 40 hz signals ALWAYS contain coherent
20 hz and 10 hz (alpha) signals within them --the pattern is just doubled), so
to talk about Buddhist meditation lacking coherent alpha may not make much 
sense.


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To 
> > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> > limited understanding of just about anything. 
> > 
> > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an 
> insult.
> 
> Your response doesn't surprise me.  When I question an idea, you come back 
> with a personal insult.  It is your MO here. 
> 
> But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible 
> evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago.  
> You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of 
> taking the easy way out.
> 
> And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to 
> question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, 
> because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of 
> reasons.  By all means have a go at challenging this idea.


Your socalled "intelligence" is simply mindboggeling. 

You claim the numerous eyewitnesses "make all sorts of mistakes for lots of 
reasons". 
It is also your claim that "it is common for most people". Well you certainly 
claim the Throne of the "common people", often called the Chair of Stupidity, 
Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU)

Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your "common" points 
very clear indeed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[grate . swan]

Dismissiveness IS indeed superior to insults. Thanks for pointing that out :)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To 
> > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your 
> > limited understanding of just about anything. 
> > 
> > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an 
> insult.
> 
> Your response doesn't surprise me.  When I question an idea, you come back 
> with a personal insult.  It is your MO here. 
> 
> But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible 
> evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago.  
> You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of 
> taking the easy way out.
> 
> And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to 
> question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, 
> because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of 
> reasons.  By all means have a go at challenging this idea.
> 
> 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
>
> The common dogma we all know about.
> But, what I am wondering, is if anyone has any information,
> On this subject, who has access to Akashic Records, of that era?
> Or if one has had visions or Ritam of the event.

Well, perhaps when one's nervous system and soul are to that degree of 
purification, such trivial matters are not of much concern. At least that's my 
experience (am I getting the hang of this FFL one-upmanship, while being loose 
with the truth, thing?)

Surely there are far more important questions one would ask and research when 
at that exalted state. Like: who is telling the truth, Turq or Judy? or, Is TM 
REALLY a religion? or, why did the hawk cross the canyon? or, are the raja's 
clothes funny or what!?




> I am wondering if he could appear and dissappear, or something like that?
> Or, if he was just taken and buried by his family, 
> And, the visions of the resurrection where more on a spiritual non-physical 
> level...
> And that I had heard, that many people were 'seeing' their relatives, who had 
> just passed,
> During the time, of the crucifixion of Jesus, King of the Jews; Wow, that 
> hurt, beyond pain, with no morphine.
> The ghosts had been let out, and rumors built on rumores. 
> There was no mass media, video, or any of the common records, which we take 
> for granted, today.
> Sure we can walk on water, in the winter-time, in Iowa and Wisconsin...brrr!
> But, no actually levitation, which could be recorded and distributed 
> world-wide, 
> In a matter of nano-seconds.
> Strange Religion!
> R.G.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[grate . swan]

Well that is a step up from the SIMS years -- when they were "fair game".



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > compost1uk made an honest attempt to answer your
> > > The answer to your question is a definite "Yes."
> > Women are definitely second-class citizens in
> > the TM movement.
> > 
> In fact women are not even called "women" in the TMO. They are only referred 
> to as "ladies".
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> > > > Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, "Let the dead bury their 
> > > > dead."
> > > 
> > > Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) 
> > > are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the 
> > > skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the 
> > > superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their 
> > > own Self!
> > > 
> > > Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a 
> > > grin on their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere 
> > > soul the guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.
> > > 
> > > Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, 
> > > he finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time 
> > > whereas the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.
> > 
> > 
> > Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the 
> > source for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle.
> 
> True Religion is a source for God Realization, who are you to say one is not 
> practicing true Religion and to condemn them all outright?
> 
> > "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory 
> > of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who 
> > changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature 
> > more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever."
> > Rom. 1:22-25
> 
> Meaning IMHO, they worshiped *gold* and material objects more than God 
> himself, the creator of these items. Idolatry is putting material pleasure 
> and possessions above God making 'them' false gods.
> 
> > God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
> > heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
> > Acts 17:24
> 
> Because essentially a church is not merely a structure built by hands but a 
> temple where-in God is dwelling in the hearts of its builders.  > If it were 
> merely a structure without sincere supplication of the Lord it would be empty 
> indeed! The vibrations of the church are not built by hands but by the sincere
devotion of the members.

++


Once again:   "God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands"

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Acts 17:24


Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth 
in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16


Humanly organized religion and it's dogmas and its buildings are not definitive 
of God - nor are they a substitute for God. They are definitive of human 
organization with all of its human limitations. 

Humanly organized religion and it's dogmas and its buildings are NOT the source 
of God. Only God is the source of God.


Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world
John 18:36

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To take 
> > > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  
> 
> 
> Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your limited 
> understanding of just about anything. 
> 
> There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an 
insult.

Your response doesn't surprise me.  When I question an idea, you come back with 
a personal insult.  It is your MO here. 

But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible evidence 
that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago.  You know, 
actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of taking the 
easy way out.

And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to 
question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, because 
it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons.  By 
all means have a go at challenging this idea.


>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
> > > For the record, as a matter of principle, I
> > > don't respond to questions or make statements
> > > under threat of being "certified" as a Bad
> > > Person if I decline.
> > 
> > Ooh how convenient. 

Obviously it's the *opposite* of convenient.

> And how cowardly.

No, what's cowardly is *responding* to a question
posed in such a manner. But what's even *more*
cowardly is posing it that way in the first place.

It doesn't really take much courage, however, for
me to risk being called a coward by Barry. It's
only Barry's exaggerated sense of self-importance
that leads him to think anybody would take his
threat seriously.


> Having posted these questions, I have been
> quietly sitting back and allowing those who
> still have a pair of balls on them (and I 
> think we all know who that does *not* include) 
> to have a go at answering them. And the "pat 
> answers" provided *would*, in fact, qualify 
> those who provided them for "Almost TM Teacher" 
> status. They were right out of the TMO playbook.

Note that Barry's framing of the questions is
deliberately ambiguous, so he can play both
ends against the middle. The "pat" responses a 
committed TM teacher would give would be very
different from those I would give, for example;
but even the most outspoken TM critic could
easily provide *the same "pat" answers* as the
committed TM teacher (especially since most of
the critics here have *been* TM teachers).

In other words, being able to provide the "pat"
answers says nothing in and of itself about the
person providing them (except perhaps about how
good their memory is).

And then the ultimate in Barry-irony:


> The means are not justified by the ends. The means
> ARE the end. If you lie by commission or omission 
> to theoretically achieve a "good end," you are still 
> performing the action of lying. And that action has
> a karma attached to it.

How much karma does Barry think is attached to his
countless performances of the act of lying on FFL
(and earlier on alt.m.t)?

But let's see how Barry gets around this little
problem. The following is from a post of Barry's on
alt.m.t back around 2003 that I ran across awhile
ago and have been saving:

"Instead of the notion of a fixed 'reality,' we
[Buddhists, in context] tend to believe that there
are different ways of *perceiving* the world around us.
If you glom onto to one of them, and decide that this 
particular way of seeing things represents 'reality,'
then that way of seeing *becomes* your reality

"Since we [Buddhists] are not attached to any
particular description of the world as being 'reality,'
we are free to choose the description that seems most
appropriate to the moment, and just go with it."

Gosh, I wonder whether this is where I first got the
idea that Barry prefers to create his own reality?

But we have to realize that *only Buddhists like
Barry* get to choose the description of reality that
seems most appropriate to the moment. Others--especially
TMers--must choose the description of reality that is
most appropriate *to Barry* at the moment. Otherwise,
you see, we are being dishonest and accruing bad
karma.

Then just to finish off this excursion into
Barry-irony-lalaland:

"To respond to insults on the level of insults, one
has to enter the state of attention of insults.  I've
done more than enough of that over the years here,
dude.  I think it's time for a change."

Well, apparently it wasn't time just *quite* yet.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To take 
> > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  


Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your limited 
understanding of just about anything. 

There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
>
> The common dogma we all know about.
> But, what I am wondering, is if anyone has any information,
> On this subject, who has access to Akashic Records, of that era?
> Or if one has had visions or Ritam of the event.
> I am wondering if he could appear and dissappear, or something like that?
> Or, if he was just taken and buried by his family, 
> And, the visions of the resurrection where more on a spiritual non-physical 
> level...
> And that I had heard, that many people were 'seeing' their relatives, who had 
> just passed,
> During the time, of the crucifixion of Jesus, King of the Jews; Wow, that 
> hurt, beyond pain, with no morphine.
> The ghosts had been let out, and rumors built on rumores. 
> There was no mass media, video, or any of the common records, which we take 
> for granted, today.
> Sure we can walk on water, in the winter-time, in Iowa and Wisconsin...brrr!
> But, no actually levitation, which could be recorded and distributed 
> world-wide, 
> In a matter of nano-seconds.
> Strange Religion!
> R.G.
>
  Some coverage of this in the "Aquarian Gospell"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa State Senator Becky Schmitz: Equal Protection

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > Legal aspects sounds logical- calling it a marriage is a little hard to 
> > take.
> >
> 
> Nelson, your statement is loaded with emotional baggage but at the same time, 
> I don't think it's fair to tell you, "Well, just get over it." Everyone is 
> entitled to feel whatever it is that they feel about it, struggle with it, 
> and perhaps find some peace with it. Iowa has given it's blessing for gay 
> couples it marry, and gay or straight, like it or not, it is now everyone's 
> journey to find a way to embrace all committed relationships and their 
> families.
>
  Good points RD, I have an ex brother in law in a partnership which is not a 
problem and, believe it's best to try to treat people as they would like to be.
  Being too much "in your face" about issues causes resentment tho.
  My wife is a pro life activist which is not my main issue and, I get tired of 
hearing about it after a while.

[FairfieldLife] USD 8 billion US tax credits to be misused by paper companies

[I am the eternal]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090420/hayes

By Christopher Hayes

This article appeared in the April 20, 2009 edition of The Nation.
April 2, 2009

Two years in Washington have started to make me feel jaded. I've come
to expect that even nobly conceived laws will be manipulated and
distorted for private ends. But once in a while I hear a story that
gives me the queasy feeling that I'm nowhere near cynical enough. Such
is the case with the tale of the paper industry and the
alternative-fuel tax credit.
Thanks to an obscure tax provision, the United States government
stands to pay out as much as $8 billion this year to the ten largest
paper companies. And get this: even though the money comes from a
transportation bill whose manifest intent was to reduce dependence on
fossil fuel, paper mills are adding diesel fuel to a process that
requires none in order to qualify for the tax credit. In other words,
we are paying the industry--handsomely--to use more fossil fuel.
"Which is," as a Goldman Sachs report archly noted, the "opposite of
what lawmakers likely had in mind when the tax credit was
established."

The massive tax subsidy has barely been reported in the press, but
it's caused a stir in the paper industry, which is struggling to stay
profitable in the teeth of the recession. "Everybody's talking about
it," paper industry analyst Brian McClay told me. "In the US and
elsewhere in the world--in Canada and Brazil and Chile and Europe."

On March 24 International Paper (IP) announced it had received its
first check from the IRS for a one-month period this past fall. The
total? A whopping $71.6 million. "It's probably close to a billion a
year of cash," McClay said. "If you look at the economics of this
business, to make that kind of money today you'd have to be on another
planet." IP's stock rose 12 per-
cent on the news.

The origins of the credit are innocent enough. In 2005 Congress
passed, and George W. Bush signed, the $244 billion transportation
bill. It included a variety of tax credits for alternative fuels such
as ethanol and biomass. But it also included a fifty-cent-a-gallon
credit for the use of fuel mixtures that combined "alternative fuel"
with a "taxable fuel" such as diesel or gasoline.

Enter the paper industry. Since the 1930s the overwhelming majority of
paper mills have employed what's called the kraft process to produce
paper. Here's how it works. Wood chips are cooked in a chemical
solution to separate the cellulose fibers, which are used to make
paper, from the other organic material in wood. The remaining liquid,
a sludge containing lignin (the structural glue that binds plant cells
together), is called black liquor. Because it's so rich in carbon,
black liquor is a good fuel; the kraft process uses the black liquor
to produce the heat and energy necessary to transform pulp into paper.
It's a neat, efficient process that's cost-effective without any
government subsidy.

"Seventy-three percent of the energy we use in our mill system we
produce," says Ann Wrobleski, IP's vice president for global
government relations. "We feel like we're the original green industry,
if you will." (In developed nations, paper is the third-largest
industrial greenhouse gas emitter, behind the steel and chemical
industries.)

By adding diesel fuel to the black liquor, paper companies produce a
mixture that qualifies for the mixed-fuel tax credit, allowing them to
burn "black liquor into gold," as a JPMorgan report put it. It's
unclear who first came up with the idea--Wrobleski told me it was
"outside consultants"--but at some point last fall IP and Verso,
another paper company, formerly a part of IP, began adding diesel to
its black liquor and applied to the IRS for the credit. (Verso nabbed
$29.7 million at just one of its mills in the final quarter of 2008
for its use of mixed fuel.)

Despite the obvious contrivance of the procedure, Wrobleski is
unapologetic: "The credit is supposed to encourage the use of green
fuel." Sure, I said, but isn't it a bit weird you're now adding diesel
fuel to the process in order to take advantage of it? "It is what it
is," she said.

Others are less charitable. "You use the toilet every day," said one
hedge fund analyst who's been closely following the issue. "Imagine if
you could start pouring a little gasoline into the bowl and get fifty
cents a gallon every time you flushed."

No one in Congress seems to have anticipated this creative maneuver.
This past fall the Joint Committee on Taxation computed the cost of
extending the tax credit for three months and projected it would cost
a manageable $61 million. It now appears that the extension (which was
passed as part of the TARP) could cost as much as $2 billion before
the credits expire at the end of this calendar year.

In fact, the money to be gained from exploiting the tax credit so
dwarfs the money to be made in making paper--IP lost $452 million in
the fourth quarter of 2008 alone--that the ultimate result of the
c

Re: [FairfieldLife] You do have to do the work, it will

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 12, 2009, at 9:05 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:

> There is so much back and forth insulting on this forum ("Jane, you  
> ignorant slut")

Those are just endearments, Ruth.  If people
really wanted to be insulting, it would go
something along the lines of, "Jane, you
ignorant *lying* slut. "

Oh, wait a minute...

> that I thought this might be useful so you don't have to go through  
> the effort.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:

> > > Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, "Let the dead bury their 
> > > dead."
> > 
> > Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) 
> > are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the 
> > skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the 
> > superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own 
> > Self!
> > 
> > Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin 
> > on their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the 
> > guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.
> > 
> > Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he 
> > finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas 
> > the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.
> 
> 
> Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the source 
> for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle.

True Religion is a source for God Realization, who are you to say one is not 
practicing true Religion and to condemn them all outright?

> "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory 
> of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who 
> changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature 
> more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever."
> Rom. 1:22-25

Meaning IMHO, they worshiped *gold* and material objects more than God himself, 
the creator of these items. Idolatry is putting material pleasure and 
possessions above God making 'them' false gods.

> God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
> heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
> Acts 17:24

Because essentially a church is not merely a structure built by hands but a 
temple where-in God is dwelling in the hearts of its builders.  If it were 
merely a structure without sincere supplication of the Lord it would be empty 
indeed! The vibrations of the church are not built by hands but by the sincere 
devotion of the members.

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> "Alex Stanley" wrote:Why should the government's legal recognition of 
> committed couples, and all the secular benefits and protections that go with 
> it, be denied certain individuals on the basis of superstitious beliefs? I'm 
> totally cool with religious institutions being free to not perform same-sex 
> marriage ceremonies, but I think the legal aspects of marriage should be 
> available to all couples, regardless of gender.
> 
> Alex,
> 
> Where does it end?  When will your sense of "what's acceptable" 
> be thoroughly challenged?  How much moral wiggle-room can you
> accept?
> 
> I have not got clarity enough to answer my own question above,
> because my imagination can easily see future consequences, extremes
> that are possible, that will have me shuddering into a fetal 
> position, because, to me, gay marriage must be considered for its
> impact on parenting.

I'm not a parent, and I have zero interest in parenting, so this, for me, is an 
irrelevant tangent. The fact remains that legally recognized marriage confers 
legal benefits and protections that are not exclusively beneficial to parents. 
Here's just one example of this from my own life: My life partner of almost 22 
years is a foreign national who was instantly able to get a green card by 
virtue of being a woman in a legally recognized relationship with me. If my 
partner were a male foreign national, we'd be SOL in that regard. For me, this 
issue is primarily about unfair discrimination on the basis of gender.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
 wrote:

> That is true, because they are "self-
> answering." The points raised in the
> questions are all TRUE. Any attempt
> to "answer" them by saying anything
> other than the fact that they ARE all
> true is, in my opinion, an attempt to
> cover up the fact that they are all
> TRUE.

Note that Barry asserts above that the points
raised in his questions are all TRUE, as a matter
of FACT, not his opinion ("the fact that they
ARE all true").

Barry, in another recent post:

"The idea of teaching is NOT to lead the question-
asker to MY conclusion. That's an ego game, and a
religious fanatic's game. IMO, *my* answers are
NOT the 'correct' ones; they are merely *my*
answers. The student has the right to come to
his or her OWN answers, and as a teacher I have
the duty not only to allow them to do so but to
help them to do so."

One might want to read Barry's answers below in
light of the above declaration and see whether
those answers demonstrate that he is not trying
to lead the questioner to HIS conclusions.

> But just for fun, this is how **I**
> would answer these questions, given
> the setup in the test, and the theo-
> retical person I would be speaking
> to.

Let's review Barry's *actual* setup of the
questions from his initial post:

"By taking this test and passing it, you certify
your status as an 'Almost TM Teacher,' one able
to parrot the 'right' answers almost as well as
any real TM Teacher."

In other words, by giving his *own* answers and
not those of a "real TM teacher," he's avoiding
responding to his own questions (exactly what he
claimed would "certify" me and presumably others
as "despicable cowards").

It's the hypocrisy, stupid.


 I don't give a crap about his
> answers, or anyone else's. I have
> no need to "refute" them or counter
> them. You and cultists like yourself
> are the ones who feel a need to "refute"
> things that are obviously true and "spin"
> them so that they appear not to be true.
> 
> > > THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST
> >
> > OK - here's my best shot. But I admit some of it is a bit tricky...
> >
> > > When answering the following questions, assume that
> > > the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl,
> > > an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM
> > > in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who
> > > has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to
> > > clear up a few questions so that she can in turn
> > > clear them up with her parents so that they will
> > > sign the permission slip she needs to partake in
> > > the DLF "Quiet Time" program. She is looking to you
> > > for honest answers.
> > >
> > > 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians.
> > > They are concerned that I might be getting involved
> > > in a different religion. Is TM based in religion?
> >
> > Only in the sense that it would be true to say
> > that "western science is based on religion". Originally
> > our modern science evolved out of the religion and
> > philosophy of the middle ages. But to do TM and experience its
> > benefits you are not required to believe anything
> > "religious" (though you can add "on top of the practice"
> > an interpretation from your own religion if you wish).
> 
> The puja used for TM instruction was
> cobbled together from standard Hindu
> pujas (ceremonies of offerings) that can
> be found easily in books about Hinduism.
> The same is true of the mantras used in
> TM. So I would have to say that Yes, it
> appears that TM is rather *strongly*
> based in religion.
> 
> > > 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web
> > > that there are only a few and that they are given
> > > out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all
> > > of the kids in my class (who are all the same age
> > > I am) are going to get the same mantra?
> >
> > It doesn't really matter how many mantras there are, or
> > whether you all all have the same mantra, or each has a different
> > mantra. There is a simple method that your teacher uses to
> > select a mantra that's suitable for you - and that's the important
> > thing.
> 
> As I remember from my TM Teacher Training
> course, there were 16 mantras, and they were
> definitely assigned according to age groups.
> Therefore, it is very likely that all of the others
> students your own age would receive the same
> mantra you do.
> 
> > > 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the
> > > Web that in India they are considered either the
> > > names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev-
> > > eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is
> > > this correct?
> >
> > See (1) above. Many Hindus WILL add their own "take" on TM
> > that fits their religion. But that is their choice.
> >
> > For example, just like us, the ancients knew of the medicinal
> > value of the willow (aspirin). of course they didn't have a
> > chemical name for it, and it many cases it was viewed through a
> > superstitious or "religious" belief system. Bu

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'

[Richard J. Williams]

> > I wonder if this lends support to the idea that Jesus
> > and his followers "deliberately" set up some of the New
> > Testament events so as to to engineer the fulfilment
> > of the prophecies?
> >
Judy wrote:
> Or deliberately altered the specifics of those events
> after the fact as the tales of Jesus's life were being
> codified into the New Testament canon...
>
>From what I've read, Jesus and his followers did not 
celebrate Easter - that celebration came much later.

"The first Christians, Jewish and Gentile, were certainly 
aware of the Hebrew calendar (Acts 2:1; 12:3; 20:6; 27:9; 
1 Cor 16:8), but there is no direct evidence that they 
celebrated any specifically Christian annual festivals."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter 

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[Richard J. Williams]

> > How many twisted children, do you think, would 
> > this add, say, per year?
> >
Duveyoung wrote:
> ...I'm as done with you as I am with Willy.
> 
Ed got his feelings hurt again by Judy! Poor Barry and 
Ed - they got waxed real good by Judy and Willy. They
sound really scared now - what to do? I hope they don't
start crying - it's really sad to see grown men cry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[Marek Reavis]

Just to piggyback on this post as the bird threads are winding down, and 
because it involves a chicken. . .

When first living in Davis when my (now former) spouse was beginning her 
residency and I was being the househusband so the kids would have a parent at 
home, I worked part-time at a bookstore.  While there I met a woman whose uncle 
was a retired lawyer in Stockton, and who lived on a century-old walnut ranch 
where he had become a chickenhead (his term).  My daughter and I had the 
opportunity to visit his ranch and it was an amazing experience.

It was an original homestead parcel, 240 acres with huge walnut trees that must 
have produced a lot of walnuts and a lot of income still, a beautiful old home 
with lots of additions over the years, fruit trees, big palms, willows, and 
ornamentals, and (literally) thousands of chickens.  The "scrub" chickens were 
everywhere, just hanging about and roosting wherever they wanted.  Everywhere 
you looked there were chickens.

But the "good" chickens had their own runs and roosts, segregated by types so 
they were purebreds, and there were more of them than the scrubs.  The 
chickenhead lawyer told me at the time (1991) that his feed bill was close to a 
thousand dollars a month.  We spent an afternoon (before the barbecue -- scrub 
chicken, of course) walking around all the different enclosed runs and it was 
amazing.  There are so many different types of chickens and many of them are 
absolutely stunning birds.

You could see how much he cared for his birds and how much they meant to him.  
He just loved to have them around and to take care of them.  His "hobby" had 
grown to encompass other birds as well, including all sorts of pheasants and 
even some tropicals for whom he had built regulared indoor runs.  All the birds 
had plenty of room to roam, roost and fly as they desired.  It was an 
extraodinary private operation.

The one memory that sticks with me the most as we were walking around his 
property was an african stork he had in an outdoor pen.  It was a female, 
almost 6-feet tall, or nearabouts, and she was, apparently, in love with the 
lawyer.  While we walked up to her pen, as soon as she saw him coming, she came 
close to the fence, opened her huge wings, and began this hopping dance for him 
that, he told us, was a mating ritual.  He went inside and danced with her for 
several minutes, the two of them hopping, bobbing, and weaving together and 
obviously digging the whole interaction.  He told us she did this everytime she 
saw him and that he usually danced with her everytime, too.

For the birds.

**



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Photo: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside
>

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Judy,
> 
> I could easily respond to your post, and the issue is
> important, and you have spotlit some nuances that need
> clarification, but you didn't react to my sincerely
> meant attempt to understand your meaning of the word
> "empathy" except to smack me gratuitously,

"Gratuitously"?? Go back and read your most recent
post demanding that I respond to your question about
empathy, and then tell me my smack was "gratuitous."

Do you even know what "gratuitous" means?

"not called for by the circumstances  : UNWARRANTED"

> and so, hey, you simply do not fucking deserve a
> response to your post below.

I couldn't care less whether you respond to what I
pointed out regarding your argument against same-sex
marriage. The issue is whether you feel your 
argument "deserves" a defense. It isn't me you're
punishing if you don't provide one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Photo: 
> > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside
> > > 
> > > This is hilarious because over dinner last
> > > night with Spanish friends, I learned that
> > > there is no tradition of the "Easter bunny"
> > > here. Instead, they have an "Easter chicken."
> > > 
> > > Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
> > > was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
> > > the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
> > > me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
> > > not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
> > > the return from the dead of their Savior. In
> > > fact, most of them were frowning and looked
> > > more as if they had been visited by the
> > > chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
> > 
> > 
> > Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, "Let the dead bury their dead."
> 
> Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are 
> spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin 
> only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior 
> bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self!
> 
> Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin 
> on their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the 
> guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.
> 
> Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he 
> finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the 
> superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.


Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the source 
for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle.


"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of 
the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed 
the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than 
the Creator, who is blessed for ever."
Rom. 1:22-25


God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Acts 17:24

[FairfieldLife] The gods are attempting to be born!

[Duveyoung]

http://digg.com/d1oVRJ

Here's a woman with a third arm.

Only five more to go, and the Age Of Enlightenment is fully realized.

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
> wrote:
> >
> > compost1uk made an honest attempt to answer your
> > The answer to your question is a definite "Yes."
> Women are definitely second-class citizens in
> the TM movement.
> 
In fact women are not even called "women" in the TMO. They are only referred to 
as "ladies".

[FairfieldLife] Argentina Economic Collapse Documentary

[Bhairitu]

This a great documentary to watch about Argentina's economic collapse:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115

The similarities about what Argentina went through and the US is now are 
striking.

[FairfieldLife] Drinking and Cigars: a recognized religious rite and requirement

[grate . swan]

Just after meeting with Roosevelt and Stalin in Yalta, Churchill met with the 
Saudi king. At a state dinner in Saudi Arabia, the muslim prohibition against 
alcohol and smoking was to be observed at the dinner for Churchill. Churchill 
in no uncertain terms  told the king's minister that smoking cigars after 
dining, and drinking before, during and after dinner was a fundamental part of 
his religion and he was obliged to follow his religious doctrine. The king 
obliged Mr. Churchill.  

So its is clear that drinking and smoking are religious activities -- at least 
to some -- and by the logic of this forum, that makes it a religious act. Thus 
we must ban drinking and smoking at all publicly funded schools! A hard blow to 
an honored tradition I know. Imagine, sober kids in school! And during sessions 
of congress. Its absolutely mandated by the constitution (following the logic 
of some prior posts). 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"  wrote:

> Thanks for posting this. I had no idea that there was such an
> "anticipation" of the Jesus story in Isaiah.

Not exactly a slam-dunk, though (see below).

> I wonder if this lends support to the idea that Jesus
> and his followers "deliberately" set up some of the New
> Testament events so as to to engineer the fulfilment
> of the prophecies?

Or deliberately altered the specifics of those events
after the fact as the tales of Jesus's life were being
codified into the New Testament canon.

In any case, it should be noted that in Judaism, the
"suffering servant" passages from Isaiah are regarded
as referring to the "righteous remnant" of Israel; and
there's quite a bit of serious scholarship that comes
to this conclusion as well. Even the translations of
some contemporary Christian Bibles acknowledge this
(such as the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), the
New Jerusalem Bible, and The Oxford Study Bible).

For a sample, see:

http://www.messiahtruth.com/isaiah53a.html

To start with:

"...Many Christians, particularly evangelical Christian
missionaries, consider the Fourth Servant Song to be one
of the most important Christian messianic prophecies, so-called 'proof texts', 
in the Bible.  The New Testament,
with its many references to 'Isaiah 53', provides for
them a record of the fulfillment of the prophecy of a
suffering and dying Messiah and his eventual return,
triumph, and glory.  Curiously, though, this is all being
believed even though the common reference terms used in
the Hebrew Bible for the promised Messiah, such as David,
son of David, or king, are conspicuously absent from the
text.  Moreover, a suffering and dying Messiah is not
part of the traditional Jewish messianic paradigm, which
describes a Messiah that shows up only once, and one who
will succeed in executing the messianic agenda, as it is
described in the Hebrew Bible, during his reign as king
of a unified Israel."

You might even make the case that Isaiah 53 is a prophesy
of the Holocaust...

We'll almost certainly never know, but it behooves us
to recognize that none of the possible interpretations
is a slam-dunk.

[FairfieldLife] Happy Spring Fertility Rites

[Bhairitu]

Good luck in your search for the eggs!

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[Duveyoung]

Judy,

I could easily respond to your post, and the issue is important, and you have 
spotlit some nuances that need clarification, but you didn't react to my 
sincerely meant attempt to understand your meaning of the word "empathy" except 
to smack me gratuitously, and so, hey, you simply do not fucking deserve a 
response to your post below.

In fact, let me openly declare that -- until you rejected my attempt to 
understand your usage -- I was in the mindset of "Judy contributes here  as 
much as Turq," but your recent fuck-you-Edg was the last straw, (meaning you've 
called me names time and time again) and, finally, the scales have fallen from 
my eyes, and I now see that I was being way wrong whenever I was knee-jerkingly 
being an apologist for you here, and that, Turq, by a landslide, is far far 
more often a  contributor of positivity here.

Turq, I apologize for thinking otherwise.   Not that you're not a odious clod, 
but that, despite your dark side, you can be counted on to frequently bring 
juicy stuff to the fore -- you stir our mix here.

Judy, you are commonly, frequently, dedicatedly seen to try to stifle the 
dialogue here, and abusing the messenger is your common tool -- one that you 
cannot deny.

So, just in case you're still reading, take your red pencil mind and scribble 
your way to hell.  I'm as done with you as I am with Willy.  I'd rather have 
interaction with Off, Shemp and Nab.

Ta ta -- please  keep having the life you're saying you have -- it seems a 
fitting punishment for what you are.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> 
> > The redneck sends a kid to school who will pop a
> > cap on a cat, and that kid is going to be a fly
> > in the ointment of so many normal school
> > activities that call for emotional sensitivity.
> > That's a bigtime burden -- as a school teacher I
> > was devastated by how much one single bad egg can
> > ruin a classroom.  Why make it possible to insert
> > even more parent-warped kids into our culture?
> > What? We've got to "be fair" and let the bad-gays
> > send their twisted little freaks to school too?
> 
> This may come as a shock to you, Edg, but allowing
> two men to marry and raise children will not result
> in *more* children than there would be otherwise,
> since two men can't, you know, reproduce.
> 
> The children who would be raised by a male couple
> would have been raised by *somebody* if the male
> couple wasn't allowed to do so. And if the percentage
> of twisted children raised by gay male parents isn't
> any higher than the percentage of twisted children
> raised by hetero parents, then the effect of allowing
> a male couple to raise children in that regard would
> be nil: same percentage of twisted children either
> way.
> 
> Note that I've left female couples out of this. If
> two women are allowed to raise children, there could
> well be more children than there would be otherwise,
> since one or both of the women could undergo artificial
> insemination.
> 
> But your objections to same-sex marriage were couched
> exclusively in terms of the twisted children who would
> be raised by a male couple.
> 
> And BTW, the current discussion was about same-sex
> marriage, not whether same-sex couples should be
> allowed to raise children. A same-sex couple can raise
> children, in most cases, whether they're married or 
> not, or in a civil union or not (although in some
> states they're not allowed to legally adopt; and if
> the child they're raising is the issue of a previous
> union of one of the same-sex partners, the other
> partner in that previous union may be in a better
> position to challenge the custody rights of the same-
> sex couple).
> 
> What you seem to be proposing, in other words, goes
> way beyond the question of whether same-sex couples
> can marry. You appear to be advocating a blanket
> prohibition on same-sex couples--but apparently only
> male couples--raising children.
> 
> But as I noted, your argument falls apart if you're
> objecting to only male couples raising children,
> because such unions would not add to the population
> of twisted children.
> 
> Your argument, in fact, makes sense only if you're
> referring to *female* couples who arrange to have
> a child who is the biological offspring of one of
> the partners. These are children who wouldn't exist
> were it not for the female couple deciding to have
> children, so they *would* add to the population of
> children. If you can make a case for some of the
> children of such unions being twisted, then you can
> say allowing female couples to raise children might
> increase the number of twisted children.
> 
> How many twisted children, do you think, would this
> add, say, per year?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'

[Richard J. Williams]

Richard wrote:
> You have here the symbol of the "innocent lamb", 
> of complete purity, exposed to the ultimate in 
> evil and the Negative.
>
According to what I've read, Easter does not refer
to 'eating the Passover Lamb', but to the eating of
the of unleavened bread, not to the eating of the 
sacrificial lamb offered in the temple. Apparently
Jesus and the deciples ate the bread, not a lamb.  

"..."eat the passover" in John 18:28 refers to the 
eating of the Passover lamb, not to eating any of 
the sacrifices that were offered during the Days of 
Unleavened Bread. However, Easter itself commemorates 
the resurrection of Jesus, and not his crucifixion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

[FairfieldLife] Re: How do we know we agree?

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Grate.swan,
> 
> Hmmm.  
> 
> Again, it comes down to the meaning of a single word.  Always, it seems, when 
> we really want to know something, there's not a dictionary that can satisfy.
> 
> What does this word "agree" mean?
> 
> Whenever I read scriptures or the writings of gurus, I cannot help  but 
> resonate frequently.  So much is so clearly there behind the metaphors in 
> almost any attempt to grok the basis of existence, that I find it difficult 
> to believe that they are not, each and all,  talking about the same 
> thing/non-thing.
> 
> If Christ gave His sermon on the mount in ancient Asia -- what Taoist's  foot 
> would not be set to tapping?  When a Kabbalist speaks of Ein-sof, isn't the 
> Dali Lama nodding like a bobble-head on the tuck and roll of a low-rider's 
> '64 Chevy on a cobblestone road?
> 
> I mean, ask any mathematician about zero. It's not like zero's trying to 
> trick anyone into thinking it's a number like all the other numbers.  There 
> is not a "secret sect" of number jockeys eschewing the transcendental nature 
> of zero and calling for it to be seen as having some sort of value.
> 
> Or a stawberry for that matter.  Where are the hoards describing it as very 
> much like broccoli instead of much more like kiwi?
> 
> To me, agreement is a ballpark entered.
> 
> Edg


Kumbaya Bah! 

I don't see much ecumenical mysticism. Proponents in various schools are not 
generally proclaiming -- "hey, we are all headed for the same, and all these 
other ways are just as good as ours". Even the Dali Lama who appears a bit more 
open minded than some, has said only tibetian buddhism will take you all the 
way home. Even people coming fom similar tradition (TM) can't agree on much -- 
see FFL posts -- on what is the ultimate state and the best way -- or only way 
-- to get there. 




 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> >
> > From this file:
> > 
> > "All mystics agree that Ultimate Reality-whether It is called Allah, 
> > Brahman, Buddha-nature, En-sof, God, or the Tao-cannot be grasped by 
> > thought or expressed in words. "
> > 
> > Is that true, "ALL mystics"? Was there a vote? a poll? Or is this simply 
> > someones fanciful thinking -- a convenient leap of faith that makes them 
> > feel all kumbaya inside. 
> > 
> > From what I understand, western christian, greek/russian orthodox, hebrew, 
> > sufi, kabballist, egytian, greek traditional, american indian mystics do 
> > not agree on this.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> > > group.
> > > 
> > >   File: /Spiritual Books/21st Century Books-Non-Dual Sources.doc 
> > >   Uploaded by : rick_archer  
> > >   Description : Books on non-duality from FF's 21st Century Bookstore 
> > > 
> > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Spiritual%20Books/21st%20Century%20Books-Non-Dual%20Sources.doc
> > >  
> > > 
> > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > rick_archer 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> A Roman thing? Have you read the Torah? It was the blood of the Passover lamb 
> that protected the Israelites from the Angel of Death. It was the blood of 
> sheep, cattle, goats and doves, sprinkled on the alter and mercy seat, that 
> "blinded" God to their violation of His Law, if only temporarily. The 
> articles of Holy Communion, bread and wine, are only symbolic of the New 
> Covenant God made with all men/women that whosoever repinted of their sin and 
> accepted His perfect sacrifice and trusted in Him, would have eternal Life 
> and have it abundantly.< " Who has believed our message?To whom will the Lord 
> reveal his saving power?My servant grew up in the Lord's presence like a 
> tender green shoot. sprouting from a root in dry soil and sterile ground. 
> There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothingto 
> attract us to him. He was despised and rejected-a man of sorrows, acquainted 
> with bitterest grief.We turned our backs on him and looked the
>  other way when he went by. He was despised,and we did not care. our weaknesses that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a 
> punishment from God for his own sins! But he was wounded and crushed for our 
> sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were 
> healed!  All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to 
> follow our own.Yet the Lord laid on him the guilt and sins of us all. He was 
> oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb 
> to slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open 
> his mouth. From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who 
> among the people realized that he was dying for their sins- that he was 
> suffering their punishment? He had done no wrong, and he never decieved 
> anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.< 
> But it was the Lord's good plan to crush him and fill him with
>  grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a 
> multidue of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the Lord's 
> plan will prosper in his hands. When he sees all that is accomplished by his 
> anguish,he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my 
> rightous servant will make it possible for many to be counted rightous. for 
> he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of one who is mighty 
> and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those 
> who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners." These 
> are the words of the prophet Isaiah some 700 hundred years before Christ.< 
> Blood is not a Roman "thing."

Thanks for posting this. I had no idea that there was such an
"anticipation" of the Jesus story in Isaiah.

I wonder if this lends support to the idea that Jesus and his
followers "deliberately" set up some of the New Testament events
so as to to engineer the fulfilment of the prophecies? Including
perhaps the crucifixion itself of course (which takes some
imagining!) And hence the idea that Jesus didn't really die on the
cross, but survived and went off to who-knows-where. Southern France?
India? (I see there's "Jesus in the Himalayas on the box tonight).



> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Robert  wrote:
> 
> From: Robert 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 3:59 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Richard M"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Robert  wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't get it...
> > > How could Easter be described as the 'Holiest of Days?'
> > > The guy gets crucified, by Rome and the Jewish puppets of Rome.
> > > They later change the story to blame the Jews for his death.
> > > Then they claim his tortured crucifixion is a holy thing?
> > > Seems to me that would be the un-holiest thing I can think of.
> > > Let's see if we can come up with some other 'Holy Days'?
> > > November 11, 1963; December 8, 1980; April 4, 1968...
> > > Religion, what a crazy thing!
> > > 
> > > R.G. Madison, WI
> > >
> > 
> > On the other hand -
> > 
> > Do you believe in the idea of "archetypes" ? 
> > 
> > You have here the symbol of the "innocent lamb", of complete
> > purity, exposed to the ultimate in evil and the Negative. And yet,
> > as Christians would have it, the apparently defeated, "weak" victim
> > comes out triumphant in the end. 
> > 
> > Perhaps the success of Christianity could be due to a resonance with
> > some such archetype in our collective unconscious? Just trying to 
> > understand.. .
> >
> I agree with the whole concept of what you are describing.
> I'm just pissed off that the Romans adjusted the religion to fit their 
> traditions and isolated and killed the Jewish people who were believers and 
> then shifted the relig

[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:

> The redneck sends a kid to school who will pop a
> cap on a cat, and that kid is going to be a fly
> in the ointment of so many normal school
> activities that call for emotional sensitivity.
> That's a bigtime burden -- as a school teacher I
> was devastated by how much one single bad egg can
> ruin a classroom.  Why make it possible to insert
> even more parent-warped kids into our culture?
> What? We've got to "be fair" and let the bad-gays
> send their twisted little freaks to school too?

This may come as a shock to you, Edg, but allowing
two men to marry and raise children will not result
in *more* children than there would be otherwise,
since two men can't, you know, reproduce.

The children who would be raised by a male couple
would have been raised by *somebody* if the male
couple wasn't allowed to do so. And if the percentage
of twisted children raised by gay male parents isn't
any higher than the percentage of twisted children
raised by hetero parents, then the effect of allowing
a male couple to raise children in that regard would
be nil: same percentage of twisted children either
way.

Note that I've left female couples out of this. If
two women are allowed to raise children, there could
well be more children than there would be otherwise,
since one or both of the women could undergo artificial
insemination.

But your objections to same-sex marriage were couched
exclusively in terms of the twisted children who would
be raised by a male couple.

And BTW, the current discussion was about same-sex
marriage, not whether same-sex couples should be
allowed to raise children. A same-sex couple can raise
children, in most cases, whether they're married or 
not, or in a civil union or not (although in some
states they're not allowed to legally adopt; and if
the child they're raising is the issue of a previous
union of one of the same-sex partners, the other
partner in that previous union may be in a better
position to challenge the custody rights of the same-
sex couple).

What you seem to be proposing, in other words, goes
way beyond the question of whether same-sex couples
can marry. You appear to be advocating a blanket
prohibition on same-sex couples--but apparently only
male couples--raising children.

But as I noted, your argument falls apart if you're
objecting to only male couples raising children,
because such unions would not add to the population
of twisted children.

Your argument, in fact, makes sense only if you're
referring to *female* couples who arrange to have
a child who is the biological offspring of one of
the partners. These are children who wouldn't exist
were it not for the female couple deciding to have
children, so they *would* add to the population of
children. If you can make a case for some of the
children of such unions being twisted, then you can
say allowing female couples to raise children might
increase the number of twisted children.

How many twisted children, do you think, would this
add, say, per year?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chicken and bacon sandwich for lunch

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Perhaps a sign of the AoE will be when Iowa shuts down all of its pig 
> > > > slaughter farms. .
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Where are we going to get our bacon then?
> > > Nebraska?
> > > Sweden?
> > > 
> > > http://snipurl.com/fpe9t
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Hawk meat?
> >
> 
> That's barbaric.
>

Thats my point.

And the wholesale slaughter of pigs, chickens and beef is not barbaric?

My repsonse was to satvadude108's need for pork (pumps up the satva, I am 
sure). Why is killing pork for meat less barbaric than killing hawks for meat?

[FairfieldLife] Re: You do have to do the work, it will

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> There is so much back and forth insulting on this forum ("Jane, you ignorant 
> slut") that I thought this might be useful so you don't have to go through 
> the effort.  
> 
> A complaint letter generator:
> 
> http://www.pakin.org/complaint
> 
> For example, Nabby could use this generated by the program:
> 
> 
> While no statement I'm about to make should be construed as suggesting or 
> recommending that any person commit an illegal act of any kind, you should 
> realize that ex-TMers's junta is a snake pit populated by disaffected clods, 
> wretched paranoiacs, and lawless prima donnas. 

HaHa, that's a good one, and often true as well ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[Richard J. Williams]

> > "In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include 
> > egg painting and small children dressed as witches 
> > collecting candy door-to-door, in 
> > exchange for decorated pussy willows." 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
> >
Hugo wrote: 
> Nah, easter is a pagan festival of spring rebirth and 
> fertility. The early christians moved their festival over
> it to stop all that dancing round maypoles and general 
> friskiness.
> 
Can you cite any evidence that Easter is a 'pagan festival
of spring rebirth', Hugo? From what I've read, Easter is 
part of the Jewish Passover rite.

"The implications of the goddess have resulted in scholarly 
theories about whether or not Eostre is an invention of 
Bede..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How do You rate/with your Mate?'

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
>
> http://www.cafeastrology.com/compatibilityrating.html

Just for fun, I entered two sets of birth data.
Their rating:

0.0 / 20
Perhaps it could be better to reconsider your
relation, which is unlikely to last, and the
bad moments can eventually predominate over
the good ones as time goes by. Enjoy the present
without planning too much and if it really
requires too much energy to adapt to each other,
then don't bother yourself too much. You will
need courage to make a long way together. This
is very unlikely to be a successful relationship
but that's not an absolute fatality. It is up
to you to decide without dramatizing!

Why this is funny is that the two birthdates
were for myself and the person I have been
closest to and have had the strongest and
most mutually-beneficial relationship of
my life with, for almost 20 years now.

So much for astrology...

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

Apologies to Robert for my incorrect clipping that made it look like he wrote 
my drivel!  Sorry Robert! 

>
The following DOES NOT reflect the views of Robert, and I am wholly, but 
obviously NOT holy, responsible for them.
 
> I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal 
> experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most 
> mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily 
> news concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses.
> 
> At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was 
> having that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me 
> and indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.)  At worst we have a 
> PT Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy 
> our common sense.  The epistemological basis is "the self-proclaimed witness 
> asserted it."
> 
> 
> The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To take 
> them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  Like the magic 
> carpet in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring 
> metaphors for our human spirit (however you want to define that.)  But rugs 
> and people don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity 
> to our most ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level 
> with all the tools we have discovered.  We can do better than to accept a 
> preposterous claim because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving 
> context of their favorite "Saint."
> 
> 
> >
> > Levitation is the ability to identify completely with Spirit...
> > This must have been the experience of Saint Teresa of Avilla for example.
> >  
> > One translation of Pantajali's is:
> >  
> > 'By concentrating on the relation of the body to the all-pervading Ether, 
> > and, thinking of small and light objects such as the fibres of cotton-wool, 
> > the yogi is able to travel through space'.
> > This sounds 'Scientific enough; as the Sanskrit writers were very precise, 
> > in their way...
> >  
> > I am thinking that the same vibrational essence of levitation, as 
> > spontaneously produced by Teresa of Avilla, through her own descriptions of 
> > the experience...
> > Could  be the onenes of the manifestation of:  'Lightness of Spirit'.
> > I am sure any levitation demonstration, would be profound, as it was in 
> > Saint Teresa's day...
> >  
> > This is one of the ways, we can think of this concept of transforming Homo 
> > Sapien to Homo Spiritus.
> >  
> > From a concept called 'Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus'...
> >  
> > From 'Veronica in Sonoma:
> >  
> > Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to 
> > homo spiritus. They have also taught that “you can’t have change 
> > without change.”Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from 
> > homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that “you can’t 
> > have change without change.”
> >  
> > http://eloheim.info/wordpress/
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
>
> > > This is hilarious because over dinner last
> > > night with Spanish friends, I learned that
> > > there is no tradition of the "Easter bunny"
> > > here. Instead, they have an "Easter chicken."
> > > 
> So, Turq was probably eating a dead chicken to
> celebrate Easter? 
> 
> > > Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
> > > was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
> > > the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
> > > me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
> > > not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
> > > the return from the dead of their Savior. In
> > > fact, most of them were frowning and looked
> > > more as if they had been visited by the
> > > chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
> > >
> do.rflex
> > Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, 
> > "Let the dead bury their dead."
> >
> The Easter celebration is to honor the 'resurrection',
> not the death of the savior, Mr. Manning. You live 
> in a Catholic country, so you should probably be 
> knowing this. 
> 
> "In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include 
> egg painting and small children dressed as witches 
> collecting candy door-to-door, in 
> exchange for decorated pussy willows." 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
>

Nah, easter is a pagan festival of spring rebirth and 
fertility. The early christians moved their festival over
it to stop all that dancing round maypoles and general 
friskiness.

I think it struggles quite amusingly when they try and pass 
easter eggs off as symbolic of Christ being re-born. Can't 
see the harm in celebrating both festivals on the same day 
myself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[Richard J. Williams]

> > This is hilarious because over dinner last
> > night with Spanish friends, I learned that
> > there is no tradition of the "Easter bunny"
> > here. Instead, they have an "Easter chicken."
> > 
So, Turq was probably eating a dead chicken to
celebrate Easter? 

> > Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
> > was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
> > the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
> > me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
> > not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
> > the return from the dead of their Savior. In
> > fact, most of them were frowning and looked
> > more as if they had been visited by the
> > chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
> >
do.rflex
> Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, 
> "Let the dead bury their dead."
>
The Easter celebration is to honor the 'resurrection',
not the death of the savior, Mr. Manning. You live 
in a Catholic country, so you should probably be 
knowing this. 

"In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include 
egg painting and small children dressed as witches 
collecting candy door-to-door, in 
exchange for decorated pussy willows." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'

[Kirk]

I met Prudence Farrow and she told me the real story.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert 
  To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:58 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'




From Cynthia Lennon's biography...

The Beatles publicly renounced drugs (although never completely) after 
their initial meetings with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in London, and took a 
train to Bangor, in Wales, to meet him again in the summer of 1967. A policeman 
stopped Cynthia from boarding the train as it was pulling out (not knowing who 
she was) with Lennon calling out of a window after her, "Tell them to let you 
on!".[72] She broke down in tears, and later said that it symbolised where she 
felt their marriage was heading, with Lennon speeding into the future and 
herself being left behind.[73] Epstein had previously agreed to travel to 
Bangor to join them after the August Bank Holiday, but died of a drug overdose 
on 27 August 1967, which was a massive shock to both her and Lennon.[74][75]
India
The Beatles were scheduled to fly to India to visit the Maharishi for 
two or three months, but before that she found letters from Yoko Ono that made 
it clear that Lennon had had contact with her over a period of time. She had 
previously met Ono when Ono asked for a lift in Lennon's car after a meeting 
with the Maharishi in a London suburb.[76] Lennon denied that he was involved 
with Ono, and said that she was just some "crazy artist" who wanted to be 
sponsored, although Ono kept up a stream of calls and visits to Kenwood.[77]
In February 1968, she flew to India with Lennon and the other Beatles 
and their partners.[78] She had taken pens and paper with her, so was able to 
draw, meditate with Lennon every day, and for the first time in her life she 
started to write poetry.[79] "Magic Alex" (Greek-born Alex Mardas who was part 
of Apple Electronics) was also with them, and smuggled in alcohol from the 
nearest village as it was not allowed in the ashram. After two weeks Lennon 
wanted to sleep in a separate room from her, saying that he could only meditate 
when he was alone.[80] She found out much later that Lennon walked down to the 
local post office every morning to see if he had received a telegram from Ono, 
who sent one almost daily.[79]
Divorce
 

Cynthia and Julian at Kenwood in 1968, after Lennon had left.
She had suspicions of Lennon's infidelity over the years, and people 
had told her that he had had numerous affairs as far back as their time 
together at the art college in Liverpool, but she decided to ignore it, unless 
there was definite proof.[81]
After returning to Kenwood from India, Lennon got very drunk on scotch 
and coke and confessed that there had been other women during his time with 
her. He detailed every groupie, friends of hers (such as Joan Baez, and Maureen 
Cleave) and told her about "thousands" of women around the globe.[82] She was 
totally taken aback at the time and simply replied, "That's OK".[83] Two weeks 
later, in May 1968, Lennon suggested that she take a holiday in Greece with 
Mardas, Donovan and two friends. Lennon said that he would be very busy 
recording The White Album and that it would do her some good to take a 
break.[83]
The beginning of the end for the Lennon's marriage came when she 
arrived back at Kenwood one day early from Greece on 22 May 1968, to discover 
Lennon and Ono sitting cross-legged on the floor, staring into each others 
eyes, and then found Ono's slippers outside their bedroom door.[84] She 
gathered a few things and asked Jenny Boyd and Mardas if she could spend the 
night at their apartment. At the apartment Boyd went straight to bed, but 
Mardas got Cynthia drunk and tried to convince her that they should both run 
away together. After she had been sick in the bathroom she collapsed on a bed 
in the spare bedroom, but Mardas joined her and tried to kiss her until she 
pushed him away.[85]
Lennon seemed absolutely normal when she returned to Kenwood the next 
day, and maintained his love for her and Julian.[86] Lennon went to New York 
with McCartney shortly after and told her she could not go with them, so she 
went on a trip to Italy with her mother.[87] Mardas appeared during the holiday 
in Italy and broke the news that Lennon was planning to sue her for divorce on 
grounds of adultery, seek sole custody of Julian, and send Cynthia "back to 
Hoylake".[88] She said in 2005: "The mere fact that ‘Magic Alex’ [Mardas] 
arrived in Italy in the middle of the night without any prior knowledge of 
where I was staying made me extremely suspicious. I was being coerced into 
making it easy for Lennon and Yoko to accuse me of doing something that would 
make them not look so bad."[89]
She was allowed to return to Kenwood, while Lennon and Ono took up 
residence at Starr's flat at 34 Mont

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:

I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal 
experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most 
mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily news 
concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses.

At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was having 
that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me and 
indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.)  At worst we have a PT 
Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy our 
common sense.  The epistemological basis is "the self-proclaimed witness 
asserted it."


The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories.  To take them 
as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today.  Like the magic carpet 
in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring metaphors 
for our human spirit (however you want to define that.)  But rugs and people 
don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity to our most 
ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level with all the 
tools we have discovered.  We can do better than to accept a preposterous claim 
because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving context of their 
favorite "Saint."


>
> Levitation is the ability to identify completely with Spirit...
> This must have been the experience of Saint Teresa of Avilla for example.
>  
> One translation of Pantajali's is:
>  
> 'By concentrating on the relation of the body to the all-pervading Ether, 
> and, thinking of small and light objects such as the fibres of cotton-wool, 
> the yogi is able to travel through space'.
> This sounds 'Scientific enough; as the Sanskrit writers were very precise, in 
> their way...
>  
> I am thinking that the same vibrational essence of levitation, as 
> spontaneously produced by Teresa of Avilla, through her own descriptions of 
> the experience...
> Could  be the onenes of the manifestation of:  'Lightness of Spirit'.
> I am sure any levitation demonstration, would be profound, as it was in Saint 
> Teresa's day...
>  
> This is one of the ways, we can think of this concept of transforming Homo 
> Sapien to Homo Spiritus.
>  
> From a concept called 'Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus'...
>  
> From 'Veronica in Sonoma:
>  
> Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo 
> spiritus. They have also taught that “you can’t have change without 
> change.”Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo 
> sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that “you can’t have 
> change without change.”
>  
> http://eloheim.info/wordpress/
>

[FairfieldLife] Happiness is relative

[do.rflex]

Photo: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Photo: 
> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside
> > 
> > This is hilarious because over dinner last
> > night with Spanish friends, I learned that
> > there is no tradition of the "Easter bunny"
> > here. Instead, they have an "Easter chicken."
> > 
> > Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
> > was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
> > the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
> > me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
> > not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
> > the return from the dead of their Savior. In
> > fact, most of them were frowning and looked
> > more as if they had been visited by the
> > chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
> 
> 
> Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, "Let the dead bury their dead."

Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are 
spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin only, 
they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior bliss of 
spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self!

Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin on 
their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the 
guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.

Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he 
finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the 
superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.