[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> That's one of the ones I was referring to. He's putting
> Jim down for what you're calling "parrying," implying
> that he, Tart, is above it; then he goes and does it
> himself when Ravi tweaks him a little bit. When you
> criticize a particular behavior, you need to be careful
> not to indulge in it yourself, or you're going to look
> like a hypocrite.


I guess I had a different take on it.  I saw it differently.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> Steve
> 
> > > That's not my take. Tart is meeting parry with parry. I
> > > think it's an appropiate response. I am often perplexed
> > > by Tart's perspectives, but who cares.
> >
> Judy
> 
> > But his whole deal is to *disparage* parrying, to portray
> > himself as above that sort of thing. Skip down to around
> > the middle of all the quoted stuff and read his little
> > lecture, you'll see what I mean.
> 
> This is the comments of Tart's I focussed on:

That's one of the ones I was referring to. He's putting
Jim down for what you're calling "parrying," implying
that he, Tart, is above it; then he goes and does it 
himself when Ravi tweaks him a little bit. When you
criticize a particular behavior, you need to be careful
not to indulge in it yourself, or you're going to look
like a hypocrite.

He spent most of the morning strutting around chastising
various people for the way they think and behave, making
I'm-so-enlightened-I-don't-have-to-do-that noises.

When you look down your nose at folks and put yourself
on that kind of pedestal, you invite extra scrutiny of
your own behavior.


> Tart again: 
>
> > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in
> > > defending myself, much less others. However, take this
> > > morning, for example, I have had several nice, insightful
> > > (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to denounce or
> > > defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with you.
> > > And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of 
> > > others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and
> > > denounce others? Simply because others see some flaws in
> > > others that are either invisible to me, or unimportant --
> > > or if they don't see the same joy in life and people that
> > > I experience?
> 
> I felt this was a pretty balanced statement and I related to it.

Smug and self-satisfied is the way I'd describe it. And note
that it contradicts itself, since it implies he experiences
such joy in life and people that he can ignore their flaws--
while he's criticizing Jim for the flaws he, Tart, sees in him.

It's tough to criticize people for criticizing people without
getting caught in self-contradiction.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Big Day Tomorrow

[Bhairitu]

So did you feel the 3.6 a little after 7 PM?  I was over by Pinole.  Bet 
the "Family" folks down in Oakland got a little excited.  It lasted a 
few seconds and built a little before leveling off.  Never know if it is 
going to be the "Big One" or not.

On 05/20/2011 12:52 PM, John wrote:
> A big earthquake is supposed to start the destruction in New Zealand on 
> Saturday, at 6:00 PM.  That means, we should start to hear about it tonight 
> on Friday, 11:00 PM, according to a news story.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 05/20/2011 11:00 AM, PaliGap wrote:
>>> The rapture flow chart:
>>>
>>> http://peasandcougars.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/will-you-be-raptured-flowchart/
>>>
>>> http://goo.gl/gznkc
>> And remember if you can't come up with a good joke about tomorrow it
>> won't be the end of the world. ;-)
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are
> > > > taking the role of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not,
> > > > you are sure appearing that way to me dude.
> > > >
> > I guess first reply didn't take. What it was, was,
> >
> > Jim why don't you just respond to the question, instead
> > of finding some way to disqualify the questioner?
>
> There was no question in the post Jim was commenting on.
>
> If yer gonna kibbitz, pay attention!
>
It was referring to the question that was asked of Jim previously.  If
you regard Jim's response as sufficient, then so be it.  I found it
quite lame, and not a little arrogant.  Jim seemed to pick up a whiff of
sympathy on Tart's part towards Barry and Vaj, and I guess for Jim, that
is a deal breaker in terms of responding to him in a straight forward
way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[seventhray1]

Steve

> > That's not my take. Tart is meeting parry with parry. I
> > think it's an appropiate response. I am often perplexed
> > by Tart's perspectives, but who cares.
>
Judy

> But his whole deal is to *disparage* parrying, to portray
> himself as above that sort of thing. Skip down to around
> the middle of all the quoted stuff and read his little
> lecture, you'll see what I mean.

This is the comments of Tart's I focussed on:  Note: I snipped some
comments that I felt did not apply to my observation.
Addressed to Jim: You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept
> > "appears to me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly
> > thorns, dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating
> > boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small
boxes.
> > The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you are.

I've got to say that this reminds me quite a bit of Jim's postings.  You
seem to be in the habit of backing up most things you say.  Not that I
agree with all of it, but you seem thorough in your postings.  Jim
doesn't seem to feel that need.  It is, as far as I can see, a steady
diet of smack downs.


Tart again: A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in
> > defending myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for
> > example, I have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with
> > Turq. What am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice
> > exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any
> > number of others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and
> > denounce others? Simply because others see some flaws in others that
are
> > either invisible to me, or unimportant -- or if they don't see the
same
> > joy in life and people that I experience?

I felt this was a pretty balanced statement and I related to it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are
> > > taking the role of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not,
> > > you are sure appearing that way to me dude.
> > > 
> I guess first reply didn't take.  What it was, was,
> 
>   Jim why don't you just respond to the question, instead
> of finding some way to disqualify the questioner?

There was no question in the post Jim was commenting on.

If yer gonna kibbitz, pay attention!

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> That's not my take.  Tart is meeting parry with parry.  I
> think it's an appropiate response.  I am often perplexed
> by Tart's perspectives, but who cares.

But his whole deal is to *disparage* parrying, to portray
himself as above that sort of thing. Skip down to around
the middle of all the quoted stuff and read his little
lecture, you'll see what I mean.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Interesting how all that wonderful joy and wonder and humor
> > and Vastness etc. transmutes so quickly into snark when it's
> challenged.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive
> hate, fear, ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent
> inner wars on others and everything, like real men do. Until then ...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love
> on to others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai
> Lama proud of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or
> channels to your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of
> infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have
> always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are with
> you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"
>  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is
> so magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and
> vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and
> great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def
> intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept
> "appears to me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly
> thorns, dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating
> boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small boxes.
> The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the
> universe. You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a
> judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even
> dream of.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its just pointing to something else. Take it or leave it.
> The choice is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday
> revel in your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For
> now, I am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living
> the joy of life.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in
> defending myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for
> example, I have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with
> Turq. What am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice
> exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any
> number of others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and
> denounce others? Simply because others see some flaws in others that are
> either invisible to me, or unimportant -- or if they don't see the same
> joy in life and people that I experience?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long
> time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain
>  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns,
> isolated blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something,
> making lists of better than this or that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone
> in the great mirror of life.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Quiters

[seventhray1]

Buck, why don't you continue to write your replies at the bottom of about 4 
pages of postings to insure that no one reads them.  At least here they get a 
quick glance?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, it's an olde problem that runs with spirituality.  Acedia or spiritual 
> depressions.  That variability of light that can run through a system at 
> times that can have people suffer as its aperture opens and closes as it 
> would come and goe.  Dang it can be hard and sad.
> 
> -Buck in FF 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Dr. Pete;  these people suffer from spiritual depression.
> > They quit and fell away because their spiritual experience flagged and they 
> > became spiritually depressed.  Different from the clinical depression that 
> > you deal with professionally.
> > Show pity oh Unified Field.  
> > 
> > "Show pity, O Unified Field, forgive;
> > Let a repenting rebel live.
> > Are not Thy mercies large and free?
> > May not a sinner trust in Thee? 
> > 
> > -Buck
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Bhairitu 
> > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Magical Puja Placebo
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 6:03 PM
> > > > On 05/17/2011 04:19 AM, Vaj wrote:
> > > > > Unhooking From Maharishi's Teachings: Laurie
> > > > Interviews Sudarsha about 
> > > > > the Puja (Ceremony)
> > > > > Posted by Laurie at 5/14/2011 06:17:00 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > I (Laurie) left TM 30 years ago, after 10 years in the
> > > > TM movement, 
> > > > > and I have been "deprogramming" myself ever since. I
> > > > now believe that 
> > > > > everything I was taught on the TM Teacher Training
> > > > Course while I was 
> > > > > "rounding" (meditating many times a day) bypassed my
> > > > critical 
> > > > > thinking, and went straight into my belief system.
> > > > Therefore, even 
> > > > > today I am still finding unexamined beliefs inside
> > > > myself that hook me 
> > > > > into Mahesh Prasad Varma's system. (According to
> > > > Wikipedia, "Mahesh 
> > > > > Prasad Varma" may be Maharishi's given name.)
> > > > >
> > > > > One of those beliefs was that the puja had magical
> > > > powers. Mr. Varma 
> > > > > told us that the word "puja" translates as
> > > > "traditional ceremony of 
> > > > > gratitude," but most other translators say it means
> > > > "worship". On my 
> > > > > TM Teacher Training Course in La Antilla, Spain, in
> > > > 1974, Mr. Varma 
> > > > > taught us that the puja must be performed before the
> > > > person is 
> > > > > instructed in TM. Without it, he said, TM cannot be
> > > > successfully 
> > > > > learned or practiced. He gave quasi-scientific and
> > > > quasi-mystical 
> > > > > reasons why this was so; and I was left with fear and
> > > > trembling for 
> > > > > the sacred, God-given puja.
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore, it was helpful to my recovery to learn that
> > > > after his 
> > > > > disillusionment with Mr. Varma's movement, Sudarsha,
> > > > (one of the 
> > > > > co-editors of TM-Free), successfully instructed many
> > > > people in TM 
> > > > > without first chanting the puja.
> > > > >
> > > > > (...)
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I tend to ignore these threads because too many people who
> > > > did TM didn't 
> > > > move on to other traditions or organizations and learn some
> > > > of the 
> > > > actual information on how these things are supposed to
> > > > work.  Anyone who 
> > > > knows what shakti does and knows what the TM puja is would
> > > > know it was 
> > > > used to "charge" the mantra given with shakti.  Those
> > > > who don't 
> > > > experience shakti or maybe just don't know what it is even
> > > > though they 
> > > > have increased shakti will think that is hooey.  In
> > > > other traditions the 
> > > > guru would observe and after the disciple is considered to
> > > > have enough 
> > > > accumulated shakti to transfer it during an
> > > > initiation.  The TM puja was 
> > > > implemented so that people with far less experience and
> > > > accumulation 
> > > > might still empower a mantra.  That part of TM I have
> > > > no problem with.
> > > > 
> > > > Some here have argued they have taught meditation without
> > > > using a puja 
> > > > but then we don't know how much shakti they have already
> > > > accumulated.  
> > > > Some people may have been born with enough shakti to
> > > > empower a mantra.  
> > > > But when you teach en mass you need a way to assure that
> > > > the technique 
> > > > works for everyone.
> > > 
> > > These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend 
> > > the rest of their lives "coming to terms" with their cult 
> > > "indoctrination" make me scratch my head. This whole discussion of the 
> > > puja comes out of a complete lack of experience with the subtle aspec

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[seventhray1]

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@
> wrote:
> >
> > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the
role
> of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way
to
> me dude.
> > >
I guess first reply didn't take.  What it was, was,

  Jim why don't you just respond to the question, instead of finding some
way to disqualify the questioner?

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[seventhray1]

That's not my take.  Tart is meeting parry with parry.  I think it's an
appropiate response.  I am often perplexed by Tart's perspectives, but
who cares.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Interesting how all that wonderful joy and wonder and humor
> and Vastness etc. transmutes so quickly into snark when it's
challenged.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive
hate, fear, ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent
inner wars on others and everything, like real men do. Until then ...
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love
on to others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai
Lama proud of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or
channels to your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of
infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have
always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are with
you.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"
 wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is
so magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and
vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and
great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def
intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept
"appears to me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly
thorns, dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating
boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small boxes.
The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the
universe. You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a
judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even
dream of.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its just pointing to something else. Take it or leave it.
The choice is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday
revel in your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For
now, I am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living
the joy of life.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in
defending myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for
example, I have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with
Turq. What am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice
exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any
number of others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and
denounce others? Simply because others see some flaws in others that are
either invisible to me, or unimportant -- or if they don't see the same
joy in life and people that I experience?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long
time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain
 wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns,
isolated blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something,
making lists of better than this or that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone
in the great mirror of life.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy!
What a Wonderful World.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > > > > > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > > > > > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The colors of a rainbow...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Quiters

[Buck]

Yep, it's an olde problem that runs with spirituality.  Acedia or spiritual 
depressions.  That variability of light that can run through a system at times 
that can have people suffer as its aperture opens and closes as it would come 
and goe.  Dang it can be hard and sad.

-Buck in FF 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Dr. Pete;  these people suffer from spiritual depression.
> They quit and fell away because their spiritual experience flagged and they 
> became spiritually depressed.  Different from the clinical depression that 
> you deal with professionally.
> Show pity oh Unified Field.  
> 
> "Show pity, O Unified Field, forgive;
> Let a repenting rebel live.
> Are not Thy mercies large and free?
> May not a sinner trust in Thee? 
> 
> -Buck
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Bhairitu 
> > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Magical Puja Placebo
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 6:03 PM
> > > On 05/17/2011 04:19 AM, Vaj wrote:
> > > > Unhooking From Maharishi's Teachings: Laurie
> > > Interviews Sudarsha about 
> > > > the Puja (Ceremony)
> > > > Posted by Laurie at 5/14/2011 06:17:00 PM
> > > >
> > > > I (Laurie) left TM 30 years ago, after 10 years in the
> > > TM movement, 
> > > > and I have been "deprogramming" myself ever since. I
> > > now believe that 
> > > > everything I was taught on the TM Teacher Training
> > > Course while I was 
> > > > "rounding" (meditating many times a day) bypassed my
> > > critical 
> > > > thinking, and went straight into my belief system.
> > > Therefore, even 
> > > > today I am still finding unexamined beliefs inside
> > > myself that hook me 
> > > > into Mahesh Prasad Varma's system. (According to
> > > Wikipedia, "Mahesh 
> > > > Prasad Varma" may be Maharishi's given name.)
> > > >
> > > > One of those beliefs was that the puja had magical
> > > powers. Mr. Varma 
> > > > told us that the word "puja" translates as
> > > "traditional ceremony of 
> > > > gratitude," but most other translators say it means
> > > "worship". On my 
> > > > TM Teacher Training Course in La Antilla, Spain, in
> > > 1974, Mr. Varma 
> > > > taught us that the puja must be performed before the
> > > person is 
> > > > instructed in TM. Without it, he said, TM cannot be
> > > successfully 
> > > > learned or practiced. He gave quasi-scientific and
> > > quasi-mystical 
> > > > reasons why this was so; and I was left with fear and
> > > trembling for 
> > > > the sacred, God-given puja.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, it was helpful to my recovery to learn that
> > > after his 
> > > > disillusionment with Mr. Varma's movement, Sudarsha,
> > > (one of the 
> > > > co-editors of TM-Free), successfully instructed many
> > > people in TM 
> > > > without first chanting the puja.
> > > >
> > > > (...)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I tend to ignore these threads because too many people who
> > > did TM didn't 
> > > move on to other traditions or organizations and learn some
> > > of the 
> > > actual information on how these things are supposed to
> > > work.  Anyone who 
> > > knows what shakti does and knows what the TM puja is would
> > > know it was 
> > > used to "charge" the mantra given with shakti.  Those
> > > who don't 
> > > experience shakti or maybe just don't know what it is even
> > > though they 
> > > have increased shakti will think that is hooey.  In
> > > other traditions the 
> > > guru would observe and after the disciple is considered to
> > > have enough 
> > > accumulated shakti to transfer it during an
> > > initiation.  The TM puja was 
> > > implemented so that people with far less experience and
> > > accumulation 
> > > might still empower a mantra.  That part of TM I have
> > > no problem with.
> > > 
> > > Some here have argued they have taught meditation without
> > > using a puja 
> > > but then we don't know how much shakti they have already
> > > accumulated.  
> > > Some people may have been born with enough shakti to
> > > empower a mantra.  
> > > But when you teach en mass you need a way to assure that
> > > the technique 
> > > works for everyone.
> > 
> > These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the 
> > rest of their lives "coming to terms" with their cult "indoctrination" make 
> > me scratch my head. This whole discussion of the puja comes out of a 
> > complete lack of experience with the subtle aspects of the puja. If you 
> > don't experience it, like Bhairitu said, it will be all nonsense to you. If 
> > you experience it, the puja is a powerful yagya that produces powerful 
> > subtle shakti that saturates your consciousness and the environment.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Or go to: 
> > > h

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108"
 wrote:

> I was confused and angry about the fact that no one here seemed to
challenge Vaj on his "facts" for so long, that I felt compelled to say
something

Say what?

and may have over reacted.




> But, be clear... I am not a movement true believer and did not make my
comments to defend Maharishi or the movement. I just wanted the facts to
be brought out and let the chips fall where they may.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Richard, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to use your
> > de-lurking as a springboard from which to make a few points
> > about the nature of Fairfield Life, and about the (IMO)
> > real link between the behaviors one regularly sees here
> > and behaviors one regularly sees in the larger TM movement.
> >
> > Cult indoctrination is rarely about "rules and regs." Oh,
> > sometimes such rules exist, such as, "Thou shalt see no
> > other spiritual teacher, under threat of excommunication."
> > But that's not how indoctrination really works. In daily
> > practice, it's more like dog training: "Perform this
> > behavior that we praise you for performing and we'll
> > give you a dog treat; perform this other action and we'll
> > swat your ass with a rolled-up newspaper."
> >
> > THAT is what goes on in TM centers and on TM residence
> > course and at its Teacher Training Courses. If called
> > upon to state a point of dogma, you are expected to do
> > so using either Maharishi's own language or the lang-
> > uage of one of his appointed representatives, a TM
> > teacher in good standing. Repeat the dogma in this way,
> > using the "approved" language, and you get praised
> > and you're given emotional "strokes," the human equiv-
> > alent of dog treats. Try to express the same point of
> > dogma in your own words, or using language that the
> > dog trainers don't approve of, and you're swatted down,
> > often in public, in the company of your peer students.
> > After a while, is it any surprise that everyone says
> > the same things, in the same language?
> >
> > Now take the example of how TM teachers and Maharishi
> > himself dealt with critics. They tended to always
> > assume that there was something *wrong* with them; if
> > they were doubting what these "knowers of reality"
> > said, that "wrongness" was a given in their view. It
> > was common and accepted to attempt to dismiss critics
> > and doubters as "just unstressing," or if that didn't
> > make them shut up or go away, they were characterized
> > as "mentally ill" or "having hidden motives" or worse,
> > "part of an organized conspiracy to spread lies and
> > misinformation about Maharishi, TM, and what we all
> > know to be the 'highest path'."
> >
> > And how is this *taught*, so that people get the point
> > and -- just as with the parroting of the dogma -- begin
> > to parrot the dissing and the character assassination
> > as well? Same method I described above. Praise and
> > applaud the newb for "getting" some TM critic with a
> > stinging putdown or criticism the way he's heard others
> > put similar critics down, give them "strokes" and make
> > them feel as if they're really "part of the group."
> > Hopefully the newb will get the point and join in
> > future "pile on" sessions, and diss the "right" people,
> > the "enemies of TM" that he's expected to diss.
> >
> > That's the behavior that your "coming out" or de-lurking
> > occasioned here at Fairfield Life. I'm commenting on it
> > because it's just such a *classic* example of cult
> > indoctrination. The "Gotta get the critics" crowd are
> > salivating and almost peeing in their pants because they
> > think they've got another person "on their side." Think
> > about that "side" thing; is there anything *less* caught
> > in duality than someone who perceives the world in terms
> > of "friends and supporters of TM and Maharishi" vs.
> > "those who are its enemies?" I don't think so.
> >
> > I'm *with you* on some of your criticisms of Vaj. I, too
> > think that he's often a bit too acerbic and dogmatic in
> > his proclamations. Sometimes I even say so. But I stop
> > short of having to *also* throw in a string of insults,
> > name-calling and invective *when* I say so. The people
> > trying their best to "recruit" you can't do that. They
> > seem *incapable* of ever dealing with some of the points
> > that Vaj (or I) bring up without *also* having to pepper
> > their posts with putdowns, insults, and name-calling. I
> > call that behavior what I perceive it to be: hatred. I
> > am writing this to warn you that you are being recruited
> > to be a hater.
> >
> > When I called you on one of your posts -- writing some-
> > thing sweet and uplifting about Jerry Jarvis, but succumb-
> > ing to this praise and stroking by *also* including a put-
> > down of Vaj in the same post -- you seemed to "get" what
> > I was talking about. Hopefully that will "take" and yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Quiters

[Buck]

Dr. Pete;  these people suffer from spiritual depression.
They quit and fell away because their spiritual experience flagged and they 
became spiritually depressed.  Different from the clinical depression that you 
deal with professionally.
Show pity oh Unified Field.  

"Show pity, O Unified Field, forgive;
Let a repenting rebel live.
Are not Thy mercies large and free?
May not a sinner trust in Thee? 

-Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
> > From: Bhairitu 
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Magical Puja Placebo
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 6:03 PM
> > On 05/17/2011 04:19 AM, Vaj wrote:
> > > Unhooking From Maharishi's Teachings: Laurie
> > Interviews Sudarsha about 
> > > the Puja (Ceremony)
> > > Posted by Laurie at 5/14/2011 06:17:00 PM
> > >
> > > I (Laurie) left TM 30 years ago, after 10 years in the
> > TM movement, 
> > > and I have been "deprogramming" myself ever since. I
> > now believe that 
> > > everything I was taught on the TM Teacher Training
> > Course while I was 
> > > "rounding" (meditating many times a day) bypassed my
> > critical 
> > > thinking, and went straight into my belief system.
> > Therefore, even 
> > > today I am still finding unexamined beliefs inside
> > myself that hook me 
> > > into Mahesh Prasad Varma's system. (According to
> > Wikipedia, "Mahesh 
> > > Prasad Varma" may be Maharishi's given name.)
> > >
> > > One of those beliefs was that the puja had magical
> > powers. Mr. Varma 
> > > told us that the word "puja" translates as
> > "traditional ceremony of 
> > > gratitude," but most other translators say it means
> > "worship". On my 
> > > TM Teacher Training Course in La Antilla, Spain, in
> > 1974, Mr. Varma 
> > > taught us that the puja must be performed before the
> > person is 
> > > instructed in TM. Without it, he said, TM cannot be
> > successfully 
> > > learned or practiced. He gave quasi-scientific and
> > quasi-mystical 
> > > reasons why this was so; and I was left with fear and
> > trembling for 
> > > the sacred, God-given puja.
> > >
> > > Therefore, it was helpful to my recovery to learn that
> > after his 
> > > disillusionment with Mr. Varma's movement, Sudarsha,
> > (one of the 
> > > co-editors of TM-Free), successfully instructed many
> > people in TM 
> > > without first chanting the puja.
> > >
> > > (...)
> > >
> > 
> > I tend to ignore these threads because too many people who
> > did TM didn't 
> > move on to other traditions or organizations and learn some
> > of the 
> > actual information on how these things are supposed to
> > work.  Anyone who 
> > knows what shakti does and knows what the TM puja is would
> > know it was 
> > used to "charge" the mantra given with shakti.  Those
> > who don't 
> > experience shakti or maybe just don't know what it is even
> > though they 
> > have increased shakti will think that is hooey.  In
> > other traditions the 
> > guru would observe and after the disciple is considered to
> > have enough 
> > accumulated shakti to transfer it during an
> > initiation.  The TM puja was 
> > implemented so that people with far less experience and
> > accumulation 
> > might still empower a mantra.  That part of TM I have
> > no problem with.
> > 
> > Some here have argued they have taught meditation without
> > using a puja 
> > but then we don't know how much shakti they have already
> > accumulated.  
> > Some people may have been born with enough shakti to
> > empower a mantra.  
> > But when you teach en mass you need a way to assure that
> > the technique 
> > works for everyone.
> 
> These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the 
> rest of their lives "coming to terms" with their cult "indoctrination" make 
> me scratch my head. This whole discussion of the puja comes out of a complete 
> lack of experience with the subtle aspects of the puja. If you don't 
> experience it, like Bhairitu said, it will be all nonsense to you. If you 
> experience it, the puja is a powerful yagya that produces powerful subtle 
> shakti that saturates your consciousness and the environment.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Or go to: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role
of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way to
me dude.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> > >
> >
> > YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about"
Socrotes
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> Sure, challenging ideas is what goes on much of the time on FFL, among
participants here, sans Barry and Vaj. Being a royal pain in the ass is
what Barry and Vaj do, exclusive of the rest of us. I hope you
appreciate my clear cut explanation. Glad it came along in the nick of
time for you too!


Jim, If someone asked this question of me, I would endeavour to give a
more descriptive explanation.  All you have done is offer a circular
explanation.  Sort of meaningless,  pretty much name calling of the
"poopy pants" variety.  But maybe that is as far as you care to go with
it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > That is the dynamic. At first it is like the new taste of
> > honey that we guard jealously and try to keep the bees away.
> 
> Well, that's not exactly your best metaphor, dude. Bees
> make honey, they don't eat it!

I take that back. They do eat it once they've made it, but
I think they mostly make it as food for the larvae. At any
rate, if you put out a dish of honey, it would probably
attract flies, not bees.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> That is the dynamic. At first it is like the new taste of
> honey that we guard jealously and try to keep the bees away.

Well, that's not exactly your best metaphor, dude. Bees
make honey, they don't eat it!

But I take your meaning. It just seems to me in this case
it's more like, Ha ha ha, I've got all this honey, don't
you wish you had some? And then if you're not impressed,
it turns into, Just look at the crappy stuff *you* have
to make do with.

> After awhile it matters less and less.

One can only hope.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Interesting how all that wonderful joy and wonder and humor
> > and Vastness etc. transmutes so quickly into snark when it's challenged.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive hate, 
> > > fear, ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent inner wars 
> > > on others and everything, like real men do. Until then ... 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on to 
> > > > others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama 
> > > > proud of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels 
> > > > > to your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of 
> > > > > > infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I 
> > > > > > have always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and 
> > > > > > sympathies are with you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > > > > > > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath 
> > > > > > > and vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and 
> > > > > > > great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi 
> > > > > > > Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and 
> > > > > > > Vastness. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to 
> > > > > > > me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, 
> > > > > > > dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating 
> > > > > > > boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small 
> > > > > > > boxes. The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you 
> > > > > > > are. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the 
> > > > > > > universe. You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats 
> > > > > > > not a judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I 
> > > > > > > can't even dream of.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The 
> > > > > > > choice is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday 
> > > > > > > revel in your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't 
> > > > > > > know. For now, I am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, 
> > > > > > > undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in 
> > > > > > > defending myself, much less others. However, take this morning, 
> > > > > > > for example, I have had several nice, insightful (for me) 
> > > > > > > exchanges with Turq. What am I to denounce or defend? In the past 
> > > > > > > I have had nice exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, 
> > > > > > > Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. Do I really need to join 
> > > > > > > some invisible sides and denounce others? Simply because  others 
> > > > > > > see some flaws in others that are either invisible to me, or 
> > > > > > > unimportant --  or if they don't see the same joy in life and 
> > > > > > > people that I experience?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thats the best scripture

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[whynotnow7]

That is the dynamic. At first it is like the new taste of honey that we guard 
jealously and try to keep the bees away. After awhile it matters less and less.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Interesting how all that wonderful joy and wonder and humor
> and Vastness etc. transmutes so quickly into snark when it's challenged.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive hate, 
> > fear, ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent inner wars 
> > on others and everything, like real men do. Until then ... 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on to 
> > > others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama 
> > > proud of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels to 
> > > > your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of 
> > > > > infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I 
> > > > > have always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies 
> > > > > are with you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > > > > > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and 
> > > > > > vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and 
> > > > > > great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi 
> > > > > > Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and 
> > > > > > Vastness. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to 
> > > > > > me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, 
> > > > > > dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating 
> > > > > > boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small 
> > > > > > boxes. The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you 
> > > > > > are. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. 
> > > > > > You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a 
> > > > > > judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even 
> > > > > > dream of.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The 
> > > > > > choice is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday 
> > > > > > revel in your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. 
> > > > > > For now, I am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, 
> > > > > > undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending 
> > > > > > myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for example, 
> > > > > > I have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. 
> > > > > > What am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice 
> > > > > > exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any 
> > > > > > number of others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and 
> > > > > > denounce others? Simply because  others see some flaws in others 
> > > > > > that are either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they 
> > > > > > don't see the same joy in life and people that I experience?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated 
> > > > > > > > blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, 
> > > > > > > > making lists of better than this or that. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the 
> > > > > > > > great mirror of life.  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry 

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[Ravi Yogi]

When tart reads Barry or Vaj attacking others it's all vastness, emptiness, 
joy, wonder and silence whereas when he reads someone attacking Barry and Vaj 
it is then anger, hatred and intolerance. What a piece of work !!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Interesting how all that wonderful joy and wonder and humor
> and Vastness etc. transmutes so quickly into snark when it's challenged.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive hate, 
> > fear, ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent inner wars 
> > on others and everything, like real men do. Until then ... 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on to 
> > > others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama 
> > > proud of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels to 
> > > > your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of 
> > > > > infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I 
> > > > > have always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies 
> > > > > are with you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > > > > > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and 
> > > > > > vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and 
> > > > > > great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi 
> > > > > > Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and 
> > > > > > Vastness. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to 
> > > > > > me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, 
> > > > > > dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating 
> > > > > > boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small 
> > > > > > boxes. The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you 
> > > > > > are. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. 
> > > > > > You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a 
> > > > > > judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even 
> > > > > > dream of.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The 
> > > > > > choice is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday 
> > > > > > revel in your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. 
> > > > > > For now, I am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, 
> > > > > > undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending 
> > > > > > myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for example, 
> > > > > > I have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. 
> > > > > > What am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice 
> > > > > > exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any 
> > > > > > number of others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and 
> > > > > > denounce others? Simply because  others see some flaws in others 
> > > > > > that are either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they 
> > > > > > don't see the same joy in life and people that I experience?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated 
> > > > > > > > blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, 
> > > > > > > > making lists of better than this or that. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the 
> > > > > > > > great mirror of life.  
> > > > > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[emptybill]

No need to be more mature or believe in some soon-to- be "holy
rupture". Just cover yourself with the blood of Jesus because God
can't see through the blessed blood of Jesus.



God will never know it's really only you (you stinking pile of
sinful filth)! Rather, he will take a glance at your righteously stained
red-blood body and say "come into my kingdom my only begotten! - the
kingdom and its glory is all yours".



So easy.

…







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive hate,
fear, ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent inner
wars on others and everything, like real men do. Until then ...
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on
to others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama
proud of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or
channels to your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of
infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have
always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are with
you.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"
 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > >
> > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > >
> > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so
magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and
vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and
great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def
intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness.
> > > > >
> > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears
to me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns,
dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries
and divisions, differentiating your selves into small boxes. The
universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you are.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the
universe. You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a
judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even
dream of.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its just pointing to something else. Take it or leave it. The
choice is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel
in your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I
am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy
of life.)
> > > > >
> > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in
defending myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for
example, I have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with
Turq. What am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice
exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any
number of others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and
denounce others? Simply because others see some flaws in others that are
either invisible to me, or unimportant -- or if they don't see the same
joy in life and people that I experience?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > >
> > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain 
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns,
isolated blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something,
making lists of better than this or that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone
in the great mirror of life.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy!
What a Wonderful World.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > > > > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > > > > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[authfriend]

Interesting how all that wonderful joy and wonder and humor
and Vastness etc. transmutes so quickly into snark when it's challenged.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive hate, fear, 
> ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent inner wars on others 
> and everything, like real men do. Until then ... 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on to 
> > others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama proud 
> > of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels to 
> > > your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of 
> > > > infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have 
> > > > always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are 
> > > > with you.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > > > > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and 
> > > > > vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and 
> > > > > great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def 
> > > > > intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to 
> > > > > me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, 
> > > > > dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating 
> > > > > boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small 
> > > > > boxes. The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you 
> > > > > are. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. 
> > > > > You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a 
> > > > > judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even 
> > > > > dream of.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice 
> > > > > is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in 
> > > > > your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I 
> > > > > am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the 
> > > > > joy of life.) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending 
> > > > > myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I 
> > > > > have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What 
> > > > > am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges 
> > > > > with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of 
> > > > > others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and denounce 
> > > > > others? Simply because  others see some flaws in others that are 
> > > > > either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't see the 
> > > > > same joy in life and people that I experience?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated 
> > > > > > > blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, 
> > > > > > > making lists of better than this or that. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the 
> > > > > > > great mirror of life.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a 
> > > > > > > Wonderful World. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > > > > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > > > > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[whynotnow7]

Hi responses below:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Dude, you lost me...
> 
> Which implies you were once found. ha.
> 
> My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so magnificently 
> full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and vista, cascading 
> insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and great-fullness), music art, color, 
> symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever 
> playing, silence, and Vastness. 

**Yep, inconceivably amazing.

> 
> You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") to 
> thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, judgments, 
> smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and divisions, 
> differentiating your selves into small boxes. The universe is a great mirror 
> -- what you see is what you are. 

**So...focusing on something and dividing it into more discrete  elements 
necessarily means that I lose myself in it and as a result the infinite nature 
of the subject and object are lost? That is what I am hearing. That is not my 
perspective. As much as I differentiate stuff, I don't change size, nor does 
anyone I may remark about. Infinity remains intact.
> 
> There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You seem 
> not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on you or 
> others -- maybe you have something I can't even dream of.

**Yep, I find the party goes on day and night, so perhaps you don't see me in 
the darkness or the blinding sun. I am here though, and fwiw partying my butt 
off.:-) 

> 
> Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice is open 
> to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in your harsher, 
> differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I am happy in my 
> retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 

**Harsher? So again, focus = trapped, or stating whatever it is in the moment 
definitively = harsh? 

> 
> A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending myself, 
> much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I have had several 
> nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to denounce or 
> defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty 
> Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. Do I really need to join some 
> invisible sides and denounce others? Simply because  others see some flaws in 
> others that are either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't 
> see the same joy in life and people that I experience?

**Your reactions seemed kind of knee-jerky. That's all. Thanks.

> 
> 
> I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> 
> 
> Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing 
> > > balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of 
> > > better than this or that. 
> > > 
> > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great 
> > > mirror of life.  
> > > 
> > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
> > > World. 
> > > 
> > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role 
> > > > of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way 
> > > > to me dude.  
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Dude, you lost me...


tart either found some kind of grass he really liked or posted a hymn to Sir 
Bob. It's his birthday today I believe.


> 
> Which implies you were once found. ha.
> 
> My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so magnificently 
> full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and vista, cascading 
> insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and great-fullness), music art, color, 
> symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever 
> playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> 
> You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") to 
> thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, judgments, 
> smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and divisions, 
> differentiating your selves into small boxes. The universe is a great mirror 
> -- what you see is what you are. 
> 
> There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You seem 
> not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on you or 
> others -- maybe you have something I can't even dream of.
> 
> Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice is open 
> to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in your harsher, 
> differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I am happy in my 
> retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> 
> A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending myself, 
> much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I have had several 
> nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to denounce or 
> defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty 
> Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. Do I really need to join some 
> invisible sides and denounce others? Simply because  others see some flaws in 
> others that are either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't 
> see the same joy in life and people that I experience?
> 
> 
> I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> 
> 
> Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing 
> > > balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of 
> > > better than this or that. 
> > > 
> > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great 
> > > mirror of life.  
> > > 
> > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
> > > World. 
> > > 
> > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role 
> > > > of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way 
> > > > to me dude.  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[Ravi Yogi]

Right on, you are too stuck in your story to have options. 

But you are mistaken - Real men don't project, they play. Once their story ends 
life becomes very exciting. They then make up stories and have fun at the 
expense of people stuck in a story like you. LOL.. projection's for losers like 
you, play's for real men like me. It's a question of recognition not maturity.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive hate, fear, 
> ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent inner wars on others 
> and everything, like real men do. Until then ... 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on to 
> > others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama proud 
> > of you !!! Keep it up !!!
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels to 
> > > your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of 
> > > > infantile pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have 
> > > > always strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are 
> > > > with you.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > > > > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and 
> > > > > vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and 
> > > > > great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def 
> > > > > intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to 
> > > > > me") to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, 
> > > > > dissention, judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating 
> > > > > boundaries and divisions, differentiating your selves into small 
> > > > > boxes. The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is what you 
> > > > > are. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. 
> > > > > You seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a 
> > > > > judgement on you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even 
> > > > > dream of.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice 
> > > > > is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in 
> > > > > your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I 
> > > > > am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the 
> > > > > joy of life.) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending 
> > > > > myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I 
> > > > > have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What 
> > > > > am I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges 
> > > > > with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of 
> > > > > others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides and denounce 
> > > > > others? Simply because  others see some flaws in others that are 
> > > > > either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't see the 
> > > > > same joy in life and people that I experience?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated 
> > > > > > > blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, 
> > > > > > > making lists of better than this or that. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the 
> > > > > > > great mirror of life.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a 
> > > > > > > Wonderful World. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > > > > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

I am hoping to one day mature so that I can then project massive hate, fear, 
ugliness, dissention, divisions, greed, envy and violent inner wars on others 
and everything, like real men do. Until then ... 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on to 
> others, I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama proud of 
> you !!! Keep it up !!!
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels to 
> > your perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of infantile 
> > > pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have always 
> > > strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are with you.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > > 
> > > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > > 
> > > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > > > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and 
> > > > vista, cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and 
> > > > great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def 
> > > > intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> > > > 
> > > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") 
> > > > to thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, 
> > > > judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and 
> > > > divisions, differentiating your selves into small boxes. The universe 
> > > > is a great mirror -- what you see is what you are. 
> > > > 
> > > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You 
> > > > seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on 
> > > > you or others -- maybe you have something I can't even dream of.
> > > > 
> > > > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice 
> > > > is open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in 
> > > > your harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I 
> > > > am happy in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the 
> > > > joy of life.) 
> > > > 
> > > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending 
> > > > myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I 
> > > > have had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am 
> > > > I to denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with 
> > > > you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. 
> > > > Do I really need to join some invisible sides and denounce others? 
> > > > Simply because  others see some flaws in others that are either 
> > > > invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't see the same joy 
> > > > in life and people that I experience?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > 
> > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated 
> > > > > > blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, 
> > > > > > making lists of better than this or that. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the 
> > > > > > great mirror of life.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a 
> > > > > > Wonderful World. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > > > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > > > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > > > > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > > > > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[Ravi Yogi]

I do enjoy your constant projections of peace, happiness and love on to others, 
I'm sure you make your heroes Gandhi, MLK and the Dalai Lama proud of you !!! 
Keep it up !!!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels to your 
> perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of infantile 
> > pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have always 
> > strongly suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are with you.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dude, you lost me...
> > > 
> > > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > > 
> > > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and vista, 
> > > cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and great-fullness), 
> > > music art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def intense cinematic 
> > > masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> > > 
> > > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") to 
> > > thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, 
> > > judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and 
> > > divisions, differentiating your selves into small boxes. The universe is 
> > > a great mirror -- what you see is what you are. 
> > > 
> > > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You 
> > > seem not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on you 
> > > or others -- maybe you have something I can't even dream of.
> > > 
> > > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice is 
> > > open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in your 
> > > harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I am happy 
> > > in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> > > 
> > > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending 
> > > myself, much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I have 
> > > had several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to 
> > > denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with you. And 
> > > with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. Do I really 
> > > need to join some invisible sides and denounce others? Simply because  
> > > others see some flaws in others that are either invisible to me, or 
> > > unimportant --  or if they don't see the same joy in life and people that 
> > > I experience?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated 
> > > > > blazing balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making 
> > > > > lists of better than this or that. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great 
> > > > > mirror of life.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a 
> > > > > Wonderful World. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > > > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > > > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > > > 
> > > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > > Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > > > Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > > > A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> > > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > > > Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderf

[FairfieldLife] Supreme Court OKs warrantless searches

[raunchydog]

SCOTUS ruled 8 to 1 that law enforcement officers can break into your house if 
they suspect you have illegal drugs and they hear you flushing shit down the 
toilet. It doesn't matter they broke down your door and trashed your house 
because they went to the wrong address, you'll pay for damages and shut up 
about it. If you get pissed off and call them Nazi pigs, be prepared to spread 
eagle for an enhanced pat down because there's no habeas corpus for you, John Q 
Public. 

By the way, Congress will renew the Patriot Act for four more years of sneak 
and peek. The government can confiscate your property without a warrant or 
plant surveillance devices in your home or car whenever or for whatever reason 
they want. Kiss your Bill of Rights goodbye. 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015072154_scotus17.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/renewing-patriot-act_b_862195.html

"It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its 
government." -- Thomas Paine

[FairfieldLife] #5# Think about this - Bruno Barbosa

[Paulo Barbosa]

Think About It - Bruno Barbosa Weekly Column
May 21, 2011

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (Philippians 4:13)

All is impossible when you give up ... but when we believe in our
dreams, the impossible becomes just another step forward. Just walk." (Bruno 
Barbosa)

I know we go through problems and difficulties in our lives. They,
often, prevent us of realizing our dreams. Do not look sideways nor
backwards. the past a lot of time, want to blame us for something. Believe in 
your dreams, look
 ahead and keep walking, even if there are many obstacles. Remember, we have a 
God who removes all of
them. He will give us victory.

Trust in God and walk into your purposes!

Bruno Barbosa
To Reflect Ministry
para-refle...@hotmail.com


"Tudo é impossível quando se desiste... mas quando acreditamos nos nossos sonhos
o impossível se torna somente mais um passo a frente. Apenas caminhe".  (Bruno 
Barbosa)

Sei que todos nós passamos por problemas e grandes dificuldades em nossas
vidas, muitas das vezes impedindo-nos de realizar nossos sonhos. Não olhe para
os lados e muito menos para trás, o passado quase sempre quer nos acusar de
algo. Acredite nos seus sonhos, olhe sempre para frente e continue caminhando, 
mesmo que
existam inúmeros obstáculos. Lembre-se que nós temos um Deus que remove todos
eles e vai nos dar a vitória.

Confie sempre em Deus e apenas caminhe para sua conquista!

Bruno Barbosa
Ministério Para Refletir
para-refle...@hotmail.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

For your sake, I hope those are not the only two options or channels to your 
perception. Regardless, enjoy whatever you see.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of infantile 
> pain. In the absence of any indications of the former I have always strongly 
> suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are with you.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dude, you lost me...
> > 
> > Which implies you were once found. ha.
> > 
> > My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so 
> > magnificently full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and vista, 
> > cascading insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and great-fullness), music 
> > art, color, symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def intense cinematic 
> > masterpiece ever playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> > 
> > You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") to 
> > thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, 
> > judgments, smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and divisions, 
> > differentiating your selves into small boxes. The universe is a great 
> > mirror -- what you see is what you are. 
> > 
> > There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You seem 
> > not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on you or 
> > others -- maybe you have something I can't even dream of.
> > 
> > Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice is 
> > open to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in your 
> > harsher, differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I am happy 
> > in my retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> > 
> > A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending myself, 
> > much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I have had 
> > several nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to 
> > denounce or defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with you. And 
> > with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. Do I really 
> > need to join some invisible sides and denounce others? Simply because  
> > others see some flaws in others that are either invisible to me, or 
> > unimportant --  or if they don't see the same joy in life and people that I 
> > experience?
> > 
> > 
> > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > 
> > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > 
> > 
> > Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing 
> > > > balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of 
> > > > better than this or that. 
> > > > 
> > > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great 
> > > > mirror of life.  
> > > > 
> > > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a 
> > > > Wonderful World. 
> > > > 
> > > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > > 
> > > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > > 
> > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > > > 
> > > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > > 
> > > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > > Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > > Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> > > > 
> > > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > > A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> > > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > > Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the 
> > > > > role of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing 
> > > > > that way to me dude.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[Ravi Yogi]

Tartbrain - Either you are highly evolved or projecting lot of infantile pain. 
In the absence of any indications of the former I have always strongly 
suspected the latter. My prayers and sympathies are with you.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Dude, you lost me...
> 
> Which implies you were once found. ha.
> 
> My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so magnificently 
> full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and vista, cascading 
> insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and great-fullness), music art, color, 
> symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever 
> playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> 
> You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") to 
> thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, judgments, 
> smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and divisions, 
> differentiating your selves into small boxes. The universe is a great mirror 
> -- what you see is what you are. 
> 
> There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You seem 
> not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on you or 
> others -- maybe you have something I can't even dream of.
> 
> Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice is open 
> to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in your harsher, 
> differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I am happy in my 
> retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> 
> A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending myself, 
> much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I have had several 
> nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to denounce or 
> defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty 
> Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. Do I really need to join some 
> invisible sides and denounce others? Simply because  others see some flaws in 
> others that are either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't 
> see the same joy in life and people that I experience?
> 
> 
> I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> 
> 
> Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing 
> > > balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of 
> > > better than this or that. 
> > > 
> > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great 
> > > mirror of life.  
> > > 
> > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
> > > World. 
> > > 
> > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role 
> > > > of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way 
> > > > to me dude.  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Two Trains Running

[tartbrain]

A funny image I had in mind in this exchange was the opening scene  (for me, 
one of the great homages, parodies to European art films) to Woody' Allen's 
Stardust Memories, link attached. (Its a pity the resolution is so poor -- in 
the cinema it was really lovely B&W cinematic photography).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6EKK9XQ_J0&feature=related

Bravo to the Woody character for discerning that there are two trains -- and 
his attempts at least to "jump ships".

And for fans of the Blues project, their version of Two Trains Running
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnFovmoeydc


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Dude, you lost me...
> 
> Which implies you were once found. ha.
> 
> My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so magnificently 
> full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and vista, cascading 
> insights, thankfulness, gratefulness (and great-fullness), music art, color, 
> symphonies of sound, a huge Hi Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever 
> playing, silence, and Vastness. 
> 
> You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") to 
> thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, judgments, 
> smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and divisions, 
> differentiating your selves into small boxes. The universe is a great mirror 
> -- what you see is what you are. 
> 
> There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You seem 
> not to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on you or 
> others -- maybe you have something I can't even dream of.
> 
> Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice is open 
> to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in your harsher, 
> differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I am happy in my 
> retarded unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 
> 
> A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending myself, 
> much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I have had several 
> nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to denounce or 
> defend? In the past I have had nice exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty 
> Bill, Nabs, Peter, and any number of others. Do I really need to join some 
> invisible sides and denounce others? Simply because  others see some flaws in 
> others that are either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't 
> see the same joy in life and people that I experience?
> 
> 
> I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> 
> 
> Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing 
> > > balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of 
> > > better than this or that. 
> > > 
> > > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great 
> > > mirror of life.  
> > > 
> > > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
> > > World. 
> > > 
> > > I see trees of green red roses too
> > > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > 
> > > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > > Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> > > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > > Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> > > 
> > > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > > A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> > > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > > Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role 
> > > > of Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way 
> > > > to me dude.  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > > > > wr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[Ravi Yogi]

LOL, a really good one Judy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> You don't know the half of it, Barry. We've formed
> our own TMO-SEAL team, and we're COMING TO GET YOU.
> We've been training for months. We needed one more
> member to stand lookout, and Richard fortuitously
> showed up just in time for us to recruit him for
> the team.
> 
> You've made it much easier for us by not reading
> our posts; we've been able to do all our planning
> on FFL right under your nose.
> 
> Even if you do read this one, it's too late now to
> stop us. We're all set to go. Anxiety on your part,
> not knowing when we'll arrive, will only help us.
> 
> Remember, we have the Invisibility, Walking Through
> Walls, and Strength of an Elephant siddhis, so you
> won't have any sign of us until you're suddenly
> wafted away from your happy family. (Yes, they're in
> on it. It was their plea that we work with them to
> get rid of you that got us started.)
> 
> No, we aren't going to harm you. We're just going to
> take you someplace you really, really don't want to
> be and leave you there, permanently.
> 
> So have a great day, and sleep well tonight!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I've stated my position many times before -- there
> > is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> > to perform character assassination on and demonize
> > its critics. The following statements, made by some
> > who regularly practice such character assassination
> > to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> > short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> > statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> > actively attempt to recruit more haters:
> > 
> > > Well said, Richard.
> > 
> > > Thanks Dude - very well put 
> > 
> > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard 
> > 
> > > Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's 
> > > left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS
> > 
> > > is Vaj really that infantile?
> > 
> > > Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior.
> > > We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious
> > > assholes" behavior.
> > 
> > > He gets to take a lap. He's acknowledging the well-
> > > deserved applause from those who appreciated the
> > > gutsy way he slapped Vaj down.
> > 
> > > The verdict is in. You done good.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: If tomorrow really was the end of the world...

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Would you do anything different today than any other
> > day? If so, haven't you kinda wasted your life?
> 
> Interesting point. 
> 
> It raises other questions.
> 
> What specifically is not a waste of life? 
> 
> That is, to answer that, one needs to know what is important in life. Can we 
> rank these things (like Bob Dylan's songs)? What life event, perception, 
> action, insight, etc., was more important than the others? Can you give me 
> your top 100?
>
What is important in life is not any phenomonal experience, but rather what 
have you learned about yourself...how have you grown through all the 
experiences you've had...
When you transcend all phenomonal experience and discover your essential nature 
as consciousness, beyond the body, mind, senses, emotion and ego, and realize 
that you are an evolving soul, then you have not wasted  your life, today or 
yesterday...

R.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2011 11:45 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> This should stir some conversation here.
>>
>> "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and
>> products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious
>> zealots react to images of their deity."
>>
>> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/
>>
> For me, it depends on the product. Using my MacBook is definitely a religious 
> experience. The iPod Touch and iPad, not so much. iOS assumes the user is a 
> complete fucking idiot, while Android does not, so I find myself more and 
> more in the Android camp.

Android and it's concept are very cool.  Unfortunately Google is run 
like a "lemonade stand" by inexperienced people making things 
frustrating for developers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Parallel Universes

[PaliGap]

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Here's an update to this concept.  Parallel universes may be infinite.  
> Hence, there may be infinite versions of you as well.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmyrE9I8HNg
>

John - just a thought.

Do you conceive that there may be an infinity of parallel
universes out there?

If you do, why are you opposed to the not unrelated idea
that there may be an "infinity of times" prior to NOW? i.e
Barry's Eternalism?

(And incidentally, as I have said before, if we go with
eternalism, then the same conclusion seems to force itself
upon us viz. "there may be infinite versions of you
as well". For this would be true in THIS (infinite) universe,
quite apart from being true in any additional infinity of parallel
universes we may admit to our pantheon. After all, in an infinite
universe, one would suppose that all things that could 'possibly'
happen have already occurred - not just once, but an infinite
number of times!). 

"Infinity" - very funny chap that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Dude, you lost me...

Which implies you were once found. ha.

My playfulness is simply pointing to other options. Life is so magnificently 
full of joy and wonder, of humor in every breath and vista, cascading insights, 
thankfulness, gratefulness (and great-fullness), music art, color, symphonies 
of sound, a huge Hi Def intense cinematic masterpiece ever playing, silence, 
and Vastness. 

You and others sometimes appear to (operative concept "appears to me") to 
thrill on a sparse and spartan diet of prickly thorns, dissention, judgments, 
smart and witty smack downs, creating boundaries and divisions, differentiating 
your selves into small boxes. The universe is a great mirror -- what you see is 
what you are. 

There is a huge wild fantastic party ever ongoing in the universe. You seem not 
to care to join in the celebration. Thats not a judgement on you or others -- 
maybe you have something I can't even dream of.

Its just pointing to something else.  Take it or leave it. The choice is open 
to everyone. (And maybe I will wise up and someday revel in your harsher, 
differentiated View of things. I don't know. For now, I am happy in my retarded 
unsophisticated, undifferentiated living the joy of life.) 

A far as defending others, hardly. I am not interested in defending myself, 
much less others. However, take this morning, for example, I have had several 
nice, insightful (for me) exchanges with Turq. What am I to denounce or defend? 
In the past I have had nice exchanges with you. And with Vaj, Empty Bill, Nabs, 
Peter, and any number of others. Do I really need to join some invisible sides 
and denounce others? Simply because  others see some flaws in others that are 
either invisible to me, or unimportant --  or if they don't see the same joy in 
life and people that I experience?


I see skies of blue. clouds of white
Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.

The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
Are also on the faces.of people ..going by


Thats the best scripture I have read or heard in a long time.



> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing 
> > balls of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of 
> > better than this or that. 
> > 
> > Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great 
> > mirror of life.  
> > 
> > Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
> > World. 
> > 
> > I see trees of green red roses too
> > I see em bloom. for me and for you
> > And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> > 
> > I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> > Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> > 
> > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> > 
> > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > 
> > The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> > Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> > I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> > Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> > 
> > I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> > A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> > And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> > Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> > 
> >  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role of 
> > > Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way to me 
> > > dude.  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Vaj and Barry, in their infantile fascination with themselves,
> > > haven't figured our the difference between challenging ideas,
> > > and being a royal pain in the ass. 
> > 
> > Oh good. I was JUST NOW wondering about the difference between
> > these two things.
> 
> Right. It's become evident that you have some trouble making
> that distinction.
> 
> > Can you explain to me in detail? I would be most appreciative.
> 
> One rule of thumb is that being a royal pain in the ass 
> typically involves challenging ideas in a way that suggests
> one believes one's own ideas are paradigmatic of a more
> advanced degree of spiritual evolution.
> 
> It's tough to hide. One may think one is being so subtle
> about it that nobody will notice, but that's usually a
> mistake.
>

*-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> This should stir some conversation here.
> 
> "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and 
> products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious 
> zealots react to images of their deity."
> 
> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/
>

For me, it depends on the product. Using my MacBook is definitely a religious 
experience. The iPod Touch and iPad, not so much. iOS assumes the user is a 
complete fucking idiot, while Android does not, so I find myself more and more 
in the Android camp.

[FairfieldLife] Re: KKK for Goldwater

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
> >
> > 1964
> > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49744.jpg
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Guess this clears up why Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl" in '64.
>  
> The housing director at Wellesley musta been scratching his 
> head wonderin' where all the extra wide white sheets were 
> disappearing to…."what in the hail is goin' on here?"
>

In "Living History" Hillary..."writes that she began to have doubts about 
Goldwater's politics even before she left high school, when a teacher forced 
her to play President Johnson during a mock presidential debate in order to 
'learn about issues from the other side.' Later, as a junior at Wellesley 
College, she writes, 'I had gone from being a Goldwater Girl to supporting the 
anti-war campaign of Eugene McCarthy,' driving to New Hampshire on weekends to 
stuff envelopes and walk precincts...

At Yale Law School, however, she completed her transformation from Goldwater 
Republican to liberal Democrat. At Yale, she met Marian Wright Edelman and 
helped in her investigations of the Nixon administration. She also met Bill 
Clinton, and in 1972 joined him in Austin, Texas, where they both worked for 
George McGovern's campaign. There, she writes, 'I quickly made some of the best 
friends I've ever had.'"

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_hillary_clinton_work_for_goldwater.html

[FairfieldLife] Worldwide opportunities to work and play on organic farms

[merlin]

A free farm holiday if you're willing to work
by Sean O'Driscoll

The Associated Press21 May 2011

AQUEBOGUE, N.Y. (AP) - It started with an ad on Craigslist: Free holiday on an 
organic farm on Long Island, work for your keep and .
 
read more .
 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/environmental-news-a.html?art=1305991453104295189

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2011 10:15 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>> This should stir some conversation here.
>>>
>>> "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and
>>> products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious
>>> zealots react to images of their deity."
>>>
>>> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/
>> Saw this earlier. I live with a family of Apple
>> zealots, and I am not surprised. I love my iPhone,
>> but I do not confuse it with God.
> Interestingly enough, when I forwarded this link
> to my Apple-fanatic friends, their response was
> Classic Cult. "Obviously, this 'study' was funded
> by Microsoft and those other companies who want to
> portray Apple, and its users, in a bad light."  :-)
>
> One went so far as to portray the study authors,
> who of course he's never met, as (capitalization
> mine) "Suffering from a Bad Computing Experience
> in their youth that they have never gotten over.
> If they only knew what True Computing was, they
> would be Apple fans, too."

Nah, true computing was on the Amiga.  And I'll bet that Lawson would 
agree.  Back in the 1980s the local Apple dealer near my hometown 
expanded his offerings by adding the Amiga.   Circa 1991 I had to take a 
giant step backward and program in  MS-DOS.   I really missed big 
endian and all the registers I got on the Motorola chip.These days 
it is Linux that I do a lot of work on just because it's quick and easy 
to build tools whereas Windows can be very stodgy.  I did do a little 
Mac programming and still have an old Blueberry around here gathering 
dust.  I was always amused at all the "hand holding" Apple built into 
the OS.  It was annoying at times but then Windows now has a lot of that 
too and for me it  gets in the way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> You don't know the half of it, Barry. We've formed
> our own TMO-SEAL team, and we're COMING TO GET YOU.
> We've been training for months. We needed one more
> member to stand lookout, and Richard fortuitously
> showed up just in time for us to recruit him for
> the team.
> 
> You've made it much easier for us by not reading
> our posts; we've been able to do all our planning
> on FFL right under your nose.
> 
> Even if you do read this one, it's too late now to
> stop us. We're all set to go. Anxiety on your part,
> not knowing when we'll arrive, will only help us.
> 

End Times for Barry: "Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of 
the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the 
morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I 
say unto all, Watch."

Mark 13:35-37

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4451570707_c5d0c31cba.jpg

> Remember, we have the Invisibility, Walking Through
> Walls, and Strength of an Elephant siddhis, so you
> won't have any sign of us until you're suddenly
> wafted away from your happy family. (Yes, they're in
> on it. It was their plea that we work with them to
> get rid of you that got us started.)
> 
> No, we aren't going to harm you. We're just going to
> take you someplace you really, really don't want to
> be and leave you there, permanently.
> 
> So have a great day, and sleep well tonight!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I've stated my position many times before -- there
> > is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> > to perform character assassination on and demonize
> > its critics. The following statements, made by some
> > who regularly practice such character assassination
> > to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> > short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> > statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> > actively attempt to recruit more haters:
> > 
> > > Well said, Richard.
> > 
> > > Thanks Dude - very well put 
> > 
> > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard 
> > 
> > > Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's 
> > > left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS
> > 
> > > is Vaj really that infantile?
> > 
> > > Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior.
> > > We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious
> > > assholes" behavior.
> > 
> > > He gets to take a lap. He's acknowledging the well-
> > > deserved applause from those who appreciated the
> > > gutsy way he slapped Vaj down.
> > 
> > > The verdict is in. You done good.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[whynotnow7]

Dude, you lost me...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing balls 
> of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of better than 
> this or that. 
> 
> Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great mirror 
> of life.  
> 
> Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
> World. 
> 
> I see trees of green red roses too
> I see em bloom. for me and for you
> And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> 
> I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> 
> I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> 
> I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> 
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role of 
> > Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way to me 
> > dude.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Vaj and Barry, in their infantile fascination with themselves,
> > haven't figured our the difference between challenging ideas,
> > and being a royal pain in the ass. 
> 
> Oh good. I was JUST NOW wondering about the difference between
> these two things.

Right. It's become evident that you have some trouble making
that distinction.

> Can you explain to me in detail? I would be most appreciative.

One rule of thumb is that being a royal pain in the ass 
typically involves challenging ideas in a way that suggests
one believes one's own ideas are paradigmatic of a more
advanced degree of spiritual evolution.

It's tough to hide. One may think one is being so subtle
about it that nobody will notice, but that's usually a
mistake.

[FairfieldLife] Re: KKK for Goldwater

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> 1964
> http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49744.jpg
>



Guess this clears up why Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl" in '64.
 
The housing director at Wellesley musta been scratching his 
head wonderin' where all the extra wide white sheets were 
disappearing to…."what in the hail is goin' on here?" 

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108"  
wrote:

> I was confused and angry about the fact that no one here
> seemed to challenge Vaj on his "facts" for so long, that
> I felt compelled to say something and may have over reacted.

You overreacted only in the sense that Vaj is pretty
routinely challenged on his "facts." Thing is, he spews 
so *many* of them during the times he chooses to favor
us with his presence, it becomes a full-time job to
keep up with all of them, so a few may go unchallenged.

> But, be clear... I am not a movement true believer and did
> not make my comments to defend Maharishi or the movement.
> I just wanted the facts to be brought out and let the chips
> fall where they may.

Unfortunately, that isn't an acceptable position as far
as Barry and Vaj are concerned. A "Movement True Believer"
is *defined* as anyone who takes issue, on whatever basis,
with any of their criticisms of the TMO or MMY. The
corollary is that any TMer who criticizes Barry or Vaj
personally, in any context, is *defined* by them as one
whose goal in life is to demonize and assassinate the
character of any and all critics of TM. That's because
Barry and Vaj have no faults, you see, so any personal
criticism can only have been motivated by a desire to
silence their criticisms of the TMO/MMY.

If you stick around, you'll get the hang of it. The
above points are part of what are known as "Barry's
Rules." (But note that Barry's Rules apply to everyone
*except* Barry. He gets to demonize all he wants and is
never to be held accountable for his behavior or
anything he says.)

I won't comment on Barry's recruitment pitch to you
below; I have the feeling you have the good sense to
see how much of it is accurate and how much ain't. I'll
just point out that none of it is *new* here; it's all
same old, same old recycled stuff that the regulars have
seen many, many times over.






> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Richard, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to use your
> > de-lurking as a springboard from which to make a few points
> > about the nature of Fairfield Life, and about the (IMO) 
> > real link between the behaviors one regularly sees here
> > and behaviors one regularly sees in the larger TM movement.
> > 
> > Cult indoctrination is rarely about "rules and regs." Oh,
> > sometimes such rules exist, such as, "Thou shalt see no
> > other spiritual teacher, under threat of excommunication."
> > But that's not how indoctrination really works. In daily
> > practice, it's more like dog training: "Perform this
> > behavior that we praise you for performing and we'll
> > give you a dog treat; perform this other action and we'll
> > swat your ass with a rolled-up newspaper."
> > 
> > THAT is what goes on in TM centers and on TM residence
> > course and at its Teacher Training Courses. If called
> > upon to state a point of dogma, you are expected to do
> > so using either Maharishi's own language or the lang-
> > uage of one of his appointed representatives, a TM
> > teacher in good standing. Repeat the dogma in this way,
> > using the "approved" language, and you get praised
> > and you're given emotional "strokes," the human equiv-
> > alent of dog treats. Try to express the same point of
> > dogma in your own words, or using language that the
> > dog trainers don't approve of, and you're swatted down,
> > often in public, in the company of your peer students.
> > After a while, is it any surprise that everyone says
> > the same things, in the same language?
> > 
> > Now take the example of how TM teachers and Maharishi
> > himself dealt with critics. They tended to always 
> > assume that there was something *wrong* with them; if
> > they were doubting what these "knowers of reality"
> > said, that "wrongness" was a given in their view. It 
> > was common and accepted to attempt to dismiss critics 
> > and doubters as "just unstressing," or if that didn't 
> > make them shut up or go away, they were characterized
> > as "mentally ill" or "having hidden motives" or worse, 
> > "part of an organized conspiracy to spread lies and 
> > misinformation about Maharishi, TM, and what we all 
> > know to be the 'highest path'."
> > 
> > And how is this *taught*, so that people get the point
> > and -- just as with the parroting of the dogma -- begin
> > to parrot the dissing and the character assassination
> > as well? Same method I described above. Praise and 
> > applaud the newb for "getting" some TM critic with a
> > stinging putdown or criticism the way he's heard others
> > put similar critics down, give them "strokes" and make 
> > them feel as if they're really "part of the group."
> > Hopefully the newb will get the point and join in 
> > future "pile on" sessions, and diss the "right" people,
> > the "enemies of TM" that he's expected to diss. 
> > 
> > That's the behavior that your "coming out" or de-lurking
> > occasioned here at Fairfield Life. I'm commen

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > This should stir some conversation here.
> > > 
> > > "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and 
> > > products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious 
> > > zealots react to images of their deity."
> > > 
> > > http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/
> > 
> > Saw this earlier. I live with a family of Apple 
> > zealots, and I am not surprised. I love my iPhone,
> > but I do not confuse it with God.
> 
> Interestingly enough, when I forwarded this link
> to my Apple-fanatic friends, their response was
> Classic Cult. "Obviously, this 'study' was funded
> by Microsoft and those other companies who want to
> portray Apple, and its users, in a bad light."  :-)
> 
> One went so far as to portray the study authors,
> who of course he's never met, as (capitalization
> mine) "Suffering from a Bad Computing Experience 
> in their youth that they have never gotten over. 
> If they only knew what True Computing was, they
> would be Apple fans, too."

Thats funny. And I am sure they don't see the irony. True believers often 
don't. 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > This should stir some conversation here.
> > 
> > "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and 
> > products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious 
> > zealots react to images of their deity."
> > 
> > http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/
> 
> Saw this earlier. I live with a family of Apple 
> zealots, and I am not surprised. I love my iPhone,
> but I do not confuse it with God.

Interestingly enough, when I forwarded this link
to my Apple-fanatic friends, their response was
Classic Cult. "Obviously, this 'study' was funded
by Microsoft and those other companies who want to
portray Apple, and its users, in a bad light."  :-)

One went so far as to portray the study authors,
who of course he's never met, as (capitalization
mine) "Suffering from a Bad Computing Experience 
in their youth that they have never gotten over. 
If they only knew what True Computing was, they
would be Apple fans, too."

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108"  
wrote:
>
> Hi, Richard here. 

First false premise. Richard is everywhere. 

> Since this was originally written to me, I thought I would chime in.
> I will take responsibility for adding my negative comments about Vaj where 
> they were not necessary.  After all, the post was about Jerry Jarvis and not 
> a response to Vaj.  So therefore, as I said earlier, it may have been 
> inappropriate
> I was confused and angry about the fact that no one here seemed to challenge 
> Vaj on his "facts" for so long, that I felt compelled to say something and 
> may have over reacted.
> But, be clear... I am not a movement true believer and did not make my 
> comments to defend Maharishi or the movement.  I just wanted the facts to be 
> brought out and let the chips fall where they may.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Richard, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to use your
> > de-lurking as a springboard from which to make a few points
> > about the nature of Fairfield Life, and about the (IMO) 
> > real link between the behaviors one regularly sees here
> > and behaviors one regularly sees in the larger TM movement.
> > 
> > Cult indoctrination is rarely about "rules and regs." Oh,
> > sometimes such rules exist, such as, "Thou shalt see no
> > other spiritual teacher, under threat of excommunication."
> > But that's not how indoctrination really works. In daily
> > practice, it's more like dog training: "Perform this
> > behavior that we praise you for performing and we'll
> > give you a dog treat; perform this other action and we'll
> > swat your ass with a rolled-up newspaper."
> > 
> > THAT is what goes on in TM centers and on TM residence
> > course and at its Teacher Training Courses. If called
> > upon to state a point of dogma, you are expected to do
> > so using either Maharishi's own language or the lang-
> > uage of one of his appointed representatives, a TM
> > teacher in good standing. Repeat the dogma in this way,
> > using the "approved" language, and you get praised
> > and you're given emotional "strokes," the human equiv-
> > alent of dog treats. Try to express the same point of
> > dogma in your own words, or using language that the
> > dog trainers don't approve of, and you're swatted down,
> > often in public, in the company of your peer students.
> > After a while, is it any surprise that everyone says
> > the same things, in the same language?
> > 
> > Now take the example of how TM teachers and Maharishi
> > himself dealt with critics. They tended to always 
> > assume that there was something *wrong* with them; if
> > they were doubting what these "knowers of reality"
> > said, that "wrongness" was a given in their view. It 
> > was common and accepted to attempt to dismiss critics 
> > and doubters as "just unstressing," or if that didn't 
> > make them shut up or go away, they were characterized
> > as "mentally ill" or "having hidden motives" or worse, 
> > "part of an organized conspiracy to spread lies and 
> > misinformation about Maharishi, TM, and what we all 
> > know to be the 'highest path'."
> > 
> > And how is this *taught*, so that people get the point
> > and -- just as with the parroting of the dogma -- begin
> > to parrot the dissing and the character assassination
> > as well? Same method I described above. Praise and 
> > applaud the newb for "getting" some TM critic with a
> > stinging putdown or criticism the way he's heard others
> > put similar critics down, give them "strokes" and make 
> > them feel as if they're really "part of the group."
> > Hopefully the newb will get the point and join in 
> > future "pile on" sessions, and diss the "right" people,
> > the "enemies of TM" that he's expected to diss. 
> > 
> > That's the behavior that your "coming out" or de-lurking
> > occasioned here at Fairfield Life. I'm commenting on it
> > because it's just such a *classic* example of cult
> > indoctrination. The "Gotta get the critics" crowd are
> > salivating and almost peeing in their pants because they
> > think they've got another person "on their side." Think
> > about that "side" thing; is there anything *less* caught
> > in duality than someone who perceives the world in terms
> > of "friends and supporters of TM and Maharishi" vs.
> > "those who are its enemies?" I don't think so.
> > 
> > I'm *with you* on some of your criticisms of Vaj. I, too
> > think that he's often a bit too acerbic and dogmatic in
> > his proclamations. Sometimes I even say so. But I stop
> > short of having to *also* throw in a string of insults,
> > name-calling and invective *when* I say so. The people
> > trying their best to "recruit" you can't do that. They
> > seem *incapable* of ever dealing with some of the points
> > that Vaj (or I) bring up without *also* having to pepper
> > their posts with putdowns, insults, and name-calling. I
> > call that behavior what I perceive it to be: hatre

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

Its as clear as isolated chunks of blazing brahmain are to some.

Thanks.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Sure, challenging ideas is what goes on much of the time on FFL, among 
> participants here, sans Barry and Vaj. Being a royal pain in the ass is what 
> Barry and Vaj do, exclusive of the rest of us. I hope you appreciate my clear 
> cut explanation. Glad it came along in the nick of time for you too!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Vaj and Barry, in their infantile fascination with themselves, haven't 
> > > figured our the difference between challenging ideas, and being a royal 
> > > pain in the ass. 
> > 
> > Oh good. I was JUST NOW wondering about the difference between these two 
> > things. Can you explain to me in detail? I would be most appreciative.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[richardnelson108]

Hi, Richard here.  Since this was originally written to me, I thought I would 
chime in.
I will take responsibility for adding my negative comments about Vaj where they 
were not necessary.  After all, the post was about Jerry Jarvis and not a 
response to Vaj.  So therefore, as I said earlier, it may have been 
inappropriate
I was confused and angry about the fact that no one here seemed to challenge 
Vaj on his "facts" for so long, that I felt compelled to say something and may 
have over reacted.
But, be clear... I am not a movement true believer and did not make my comments 
to defend Maharishi or the movement.  I just wanted the facts to be brought out 
and let the chips fall where they may.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Richard, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to use your
> de-lurking as a springboard from which to make a few points
> about the nature of Fairfield Life, and about the (IMO) 
> real link between the behaviors one regularly sees here
> and behaviors one regularly sees in the larger TM movement.
> 
> Cult indoctrination is rarely about "rules and regs." Oh,
> sometimes such rules exist, such as, "Thou shalt see no
> other spiritual teacher, under threat of excommunication."
> But that's not how indoctrination really works. In daily
> practice, it's more like dog training: "Perform this
> behavior that we praise you for performing and we'll
> give you a dog treat; perform this other action and we'll
> swat your ass with a rolled-up newspaper."
> 
> THAT is what goes on in TM centers and on TM residence
> course and at its Teacher Training Courses. If called
> upon to state a point of dogma, you are expected to do
> so using either Maharishi's own language or the lang-
> uage of one of his appointed representatives, a TM
> teacher in good standing. Repeat the dogma in this way,
> using the "approved" language, and you get praised
> and you're given emotional "strokes," the human equiv-
> alent of dog treats. Try to express the same point of
> dogma in your own words, or using language that the
> dog trainers don't approve of, and you're swatted down,
> often in public, in the company of your peer students.
> After a while, is it any surprise that everyone says
> the same things, in the same language?
> 
> Now take the example of how TM teachers and Maharishi
> himself dealt with critics. They tended to always 
> assume that there was something *wrong* with them; if
> they were doubting what these "knowers of reality"
> said, that "wrongness" was a given in their view. It 
> was common and accepted to attempt to dismiss critics 
> and doubters as "just unstressing," or if that didn't 
> make them shut up or go away, they were characterized
> as "mentally ill" or "having hidden motives" or worse, 
> "part of an organized conspiracy to spread lies and 
> misinformation about Maharishi, TM, and what we all 
> know to be the 'highest path'."
> 
> And how is this *taught*, so that people get the point
> and -- just as with the parroting of the dogma -- begin
> to parrot the dissing and the character assassination
> as well? Same method I described above. Praise and 
> applaud the newb for "getting" some TM critic with a
> stinging putdown or criticism the way he's heard others
> put similar critics down, give them "strokes" and make 
> them feel as if they're really "part of the group."
> Hopefully the newb will get the point and join in 
> future "pile on" sessions, and diss the "right" people,
> the "enemies of TM" that he's expected to diss. 
> 
> That's the behavior that your "coming out" or de-lurking
> occasioned here at Fairfield Life. I'm commenting on it
> because it's just such a *classic* example of cult
> indoctrination. The "Gotta get the critics" crowd are
> salivating and almost peeing in their pants because they
> think they've got another person "on their side." Think
> about that "side" thing; is there anything *less* caught
> in duality than someone who perceives the world in terms
> of "friends and supporters of TM and Maharishi" vs.
> "those who are its enemies?" I don't think so.
> 
> I'm *with you* on some of your criticisms of Vaj. I, too
> think that he's often a bit too acerbic and dogmatic in
> his proclamations. Sometimes I even say so. But I stop
> short of having to *also* throw in a string of insults,
> name-calling and invective *when* I say so. The people
> trying their best to "recruit" you can't do that. They
> seem *incapable* of ever dealing with some of the points
> that Vaj (or I) bring up without *also* having to pepper
> their posts with putdowns, insults, and name-calling. I
> call that behavior what I perceive it to be: hatred. I
> am writing this to warn you that you are being recruited
> to be a hater.
> 
> When I called you on one of your posts -- writing some-
> thing sweet and uplifting about Jerry Jarvis, but succumb-
> ing to this praise and stroking by *also* including a put-
> down of Vaj in the same post --

[FairfieldLife] Re: If tomorrow really was the end of the world...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Would you do anything different today than any other
> > > day? If so, haven't you kinda wasted your life?
> > 
> > Interesting point. 
> > 
> > It raises other questions.
> > 
> > What specifically is not a waste of life? 
> 
> Excellent question. I'm not convinced that anyone's
> life is more "wasted" than anyone else's. To believe
> that, one would have to believe in the efficacy of
> goals and of achieving them. A Taoist, goal-less,
> might appear to be wasting his life to someone who
> has goals that they wish to achieve and who cannot
> conceive of any other way of living. But who in this
> scenario is the dog panting after something he desires,
> and who is the dog just trotting along enjoying what-
> ever comes his way?

IOW, the panting dog is wasting its life, according to
Barry. I think it's pretty clear he's quite convinced
of this. (Of course, you can't compare a dog to a
Taoist; every dog has moments of trotting along
enjoying whatever comes its way, *and* moments of
panting after something it desires.)


> My original point was that if you *knew* for certain
> that the world was going to end today at 6:00 PM your
> time, and you felt the need to do something different
> than your normal, everyday life between now and then,
> then you really don't think that your normal, everyday
> life is where it's at, spiritually, do you?

Basically, this is a fatuous question, the kind of
thing you might expect to hear from an adolescent New Age
devotee.

One can certainly choose to live one's normal, everyday
life as if it *could* end tomorrow, and there's something
to be said for that. But if one *knows* one's life will
end tomorrow, that's a different kettle of fish, a much
more radical situation. Just for one thing, it means you
are likely either to have planned to kill yourself
tomorrow, or that you are incarcerated and scheduled to
be executed tomorrow. In the first case you have a goal
to achieve; in the second, your options for doing
something different are severely limited by external
forces.

You could argue, of course, that spending your normal,
everyday life (one that you *don't* expect to end
tomorrow) working hard for the goal of helping others 
isn't as spiritual as one spent goallessly trotting
along enjoying whatever comes your way, but you
probably wouldn't get much agreement on that position.

> Me, I'm fortunate. I wouldn't change a thing. Although
> I might give my dogs more time than usual to just trot
> along enjoying whatever comes their way.

In preference to spending more time than usual with your 
human "family." Interesting.

And if you wouldn't change a thing, it means you'd 
spend some of that time making at least another couple
of posts to FFL in your systematic campaign to demonize
TMers and assassinate their characters by accusing them
of a systematic campaign of demonization and character
assassination of TM critics, right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

"Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights"

such a good line! (or as my initial typos said "such a great lime!)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing balls 
> of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of better than 
> this or that. 
> 
> Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great mirror 
> of life.  
> 
> Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
> World. 
> 
> I see trees of green red roses too
> I see em bloom. for me and for you
> And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
> 
> I see skies of blue. clouds of white
> Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
> I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> Theyre really sayin..i love you.
> 
> I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> 
> The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
> Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
> I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
> Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).
> 
> I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
> A whole lot more than Ill never know)
> And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
> Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.
> 
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role of 
> > Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way to me 
> > dude.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > This should stir some conversation here.
> > 
> > "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and 
> > products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious 
> > zealots react to images of their deity."
> > 
> > http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/
> 
> Saw this earlier. I live with a family of Apple 
> zealots, and I am not surprised. I love my iPhone,
> but I do not confuse it with God.
>

Because your i-phone exists?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> This should stir some conversation here.
> 
> "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and 
> products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious 
> zealots react to images of their deity."
> 
> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/

Saw this earlier. I live with a family of Apple 
zealots, and I am not surprised. I love my iPhone,
but I do not confuse it with God.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> This should stir some conversation here.
> 
> "Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and 
> products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious 
> zealots react to images of their deity."


Of course. Since Apple products are so pretty. And what is not divinity if not 
pettiness (oops typo) prettiness. (And yes, I own an ipod touch 4, so I am 
mocking myself)




> 
> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: If tomorrow really was the end of the world...

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Would you do anything different today than any other
> > > day? If so, haven't you kinda wasted your life?
> > 
> > Interesting point. 
> > 
> > It raises other questions.
> > 
> > What specifically is not a waste of life? 
> 
> Excellent question. I'm not convinced that anyone's
> life is more "wasted" than anyone else's. 

Well, some mornings i wake up feeling pretty wasted. (I hope for the sake of 
humanity people are not waking up feeling even more wasted.)



>To believe
> that, one would have to believe in the efficacy of
> goals and of achieving them. 

Yes, that is along the lines of my point. (ha, mixed metaphor of lines and 
points)

> A Taoist, goal-less,
> might appear to be wasting his life to someone who
> has goals that they wish to achieve and who cannot
> conceive of any other way of living. But who in this
> scenario is the dog panting after something he desires,
> and who is the dog just trotting along enjoying what-
> ever comes his way? 
>  

Yes, dogs are great teachers. (we humans tend to make life so complex. ) What 
is more important than THIS smell, right NOW? And being totally open to the 
NEXT smell that may or may not come along.


> > That is, to answer that, one needs to know what is 
> > important in life. Can we rank these things (like Bob 
> > Dylan's songs)? What life event, perception, action, 
> > insight, etc., was more important than the others? 
> > Can you give me your top 100?
> 
> A more relevant question to ask of spiritual seekers
> might be, "How many of your personal Top 100 have you
> experienced in the last few years?"

Ah. Great trick question. Clearly if they are spiritual seeks they would only 
laugh at the premise of a personal top 100. 


> If they have to
> go back more than a couple of years for a Top 100 
> Experience candidate, seems to me they might just
> have taken a wrong turn somewhere. :-)
>

Again, feeding into the trick question. Good job.
 
> My original point was that if you *knew* for certain
> that the world was going to end today at 6:00 PM your
> time, and you felt the need to do something different
> than your normal, everyday life between now and then,
> then you really don't think that your normal, everyday
> life is where it's at, spiritually, do you? 

Yes. i got the point in the earlier post. And a good continuation of the trick 
premise / question. Doing something different implies having an agenda to 
compare to that. Which is the better way? (yes, MU).

> 
> Me, I'm fortunate. I wouldn't change a thing. 

Changing something implies that one has a set way -- which implies one may 
believe that set way is best or better.

>Although
> I might give my dogs more time than usual to just trot 
> along enjoying whatever comes their way.
>


Oh, me, I would definitely spend more time on FFL!

[FairfieldLife] Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC

[Bhairitu]

This should stir some conversation here.

"Neurological research has found that fans of Apple computers and 
products react to the company's gadgets in the same way religious 
zealots react to images of their deity."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[WillyTex]

> > Pure Land of Mukpo in Shamballa.
> >
vajradhatu:
> The hidden valley in NNE coast of Cape Breton? ...
>
Up in Nova Scotia:

"It was winter in the North Country - the guru, 
Trungpa, was gone - dead, owing to the effects 
of riotous living. His body had just been cremated 
after he had laid in state for 50 days. 

Many of his senior disciples now sat in rows, 
meditating, sitting on deep red cushions placed 
among the the highly decorated pillars of the 
meditation shrine hall. 

Up front sat the late Lama's Regent and the High 
Lamas visiting from Tibet..."

Hey! It is a Double Mirror:
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/tibet.htm

"Double Mirror"
by Stephen T. Butterfield
A skeptical journey into Buddhist Tantra world 
of the Trungpa Tulku
North Atlantic Books, 1994
Paperback. In print. Illustrated. Reccomended.

[FairfieldLife] Re: If tomorrow really was the end of the world...

[WillyTex]

> > What specifically is not a waste of life? 
> >
turquoiseb:
> I'm not convinced that anyone's life is more 
> "wasted" than anyone else's...
>
"Strauss-Kahn, charged with trying to rape a 
hotel maid on May 14, ran into trouble finding 
housing when an apartment on the city's Upper 
East Side leased by his wife was besieged by 
the media, and the deal fell through..."

'Strauss-Kahn hidden inside New York safe house'
Reuters, May 21, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/3vjb3s7

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

Reactions, assumptions, roles, judgements, smackdowns, isolated blazing balls 
of brahamn, going somewhere, becoming something, making lists of better than 
this or that. 

Ah, seeing oneself everywhere in the actions of everyone in the great mirror of 
life.  

Yes! These are the good things in life! Carry on. Enjoy! What a Wonderful 
World. 

I see trees of green red roses too
I see em bloom. for me and for you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.

I see skies of blue. clouds of white
Bright blessed daysdark sacred nights
And I think to myself .what a wonderful world.

The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
Are also on the faces.of people ..going by
I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
Theyre really sayin..i love you.

I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
Theyll learn much more.than Ill never know
And I think to myself .what a wonderful world

The colors of a rainbow.so pretty ..in the sky
Are there on the faces.of people ..going by
I see friends shaking hands.sayin.. how do you do
Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I loveyou).

I hear babies cry.. I watch them grow
A whole lot more than Ill never know)
And I think to myself .what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself ...what a wonderful world.

 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role of 
> Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way to me 
> dude.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> > >
> > 
> > YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: If tomorrow really was the end of the world...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Would you do anything different today than any other
> > day? If so, haven't you kinda wasted your life?
> 
> Interesting point. 
> 
> It raises other questions.
> 
> What specifically is not a waste of life? 

Excellent question. I'm not convinced that anyone's
life is more "wasted" than anyone else's. To believe
that, one would have to believe in the efficacy of
goals and of achieving them. A Taoist, goal-less,
might appear to be wasting his life to someone who
has goals that they wish to achieve and who cannot
conceive of any other way of living. But who in this
scenario is the dog panting after something he desires,
and who is the dog just trotting along enjoying what-
ever comes his way? 
 
> That is, to answer that, one needs to know what is 
> important in life. Can we rank these things (like Bob 
> Dylan's songs)? What life event, perception, action, 
> insight, etc., was more important than the others? 
> Can you give me your top 100?

A more relevant question to ask of spiritual seekers
might be, "How many of your personal Top 100 have you
experienced in the last few years?" If they have to
go back more than a couple of years for a Top 100 
Experience candidate, seems to me they might just
have taken a wrong turn somewhere. :-)

My original point was that if you *knew* for certain
that the world was going to end today at 6:00 PM your
time, and you felt the need to do something different
than your normal, everyday life between now and then,
then you really don't think that your normal, everyday
life is where it's at, spiritually, do you? 

Me, I'm fortunate. I wouldn't change a thing. Although
I might give my dogs more time than usual to just trot 
along enjoying whatever comes their way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> A couple of assumptions I make:
> 
> 1)Nobody other than MMY and GD know what their relationship was.
> 2)What GD wanted MMY to do or not to do is only known to them.
> 
> A couple of things I know:
> 
> 1)For a murderous, con artist, MMY was certainly a blazing Ball of Brahman.

So that I can be clear, who and/or what is not a blazing Ball of Brahman?

> 2)His non-functioning, useless techniques certainly are effective.

So you got SOMEHWERE. Great! Where were you before, and where did the effective 
techniques take you -- from where you were not to where you are now?

Being the eternal retard, I sort of like the non-functioning useless techniques 
that take me nowhere (nowhen, nohow). 



> 3)FFL is a wonderful toilet for people to take much needed shits in. 
> Seriously, where else could you empty your bowels of this fetid crap? Count 
> yourself blessed and truly in the Dharma! 
> 
>
> 
> --- On Thu, 5/19/11, richardnelson108  wrote:
> 
> > From: richardnelson108 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 6:38 PM
> > Hello Vaj-  I could not help but
> > respond to your post #277247.
> > 
> > Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert
> > about things you know nothing about.
> > 
> > You say we now "know two things".  We do not "know"
> > anything.  We do not "know" that Guru dev never
> > authorized MMY to teach.   We do not " know"
> > that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev,
> > even though he was told to throw it away.  Where do you
> > get your facts from?
> > You make up these things to fit your point of view. 
> > Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is
> > the only source from which we even know this poem existed)
> > did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to
> > throw it in the Ganges.  And it is clear that you know
> > nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your
> > life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it
> > would be done.  You make assumptions based on nothing.
> > 
> > Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in
> > past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev.  There has
> > never been any evidence that this is true.  But yet you
> > continue to quote it as if it is scripture.
> > I am not saying that the poisoning or anything else you
> > mention is not possible, it just that we don't "know"
> > it   I am simply saying there has never been
> > any evidence of this.  If there is, please enlighten me
> > as to your sources.
> > Also you continually have mentioned in the past that MMY
> > wanted to get Guru Dev of the seat of Shankaracharya by
> > poisoning him, but for what purpose?  MMY could not
> > have been given the seat himself and could gain nothing
> > about having one of his pals put in Guru Dev's place. 
> > There's basicly no money or power of any significance in
> > being the Shankaracharya.  Have you been to Jyotir Math
> > or Guru Dev's residence in Allahabad?  I have and they
> > are nothing much to speak of.
> > Good vibes for sure, but far from opulent. 
> > So oh wise and mighty Vaj, since you are always making the
> > point about MMY getting rid of Guru Dev, tell me what would
> > have been the point?
> > And by the way genius, the TM puja is traditional. 
> > You hear it in temples, at by other swamis.  MMMY did
> > say that he pieced it together.
> > But it did not come from some student of Guru Dev as you
> > say.  You are only showing your ignorance.  
> > So again I ask, what is this need you have to continue to
> > post as if you are an expert in something that you are not?
> > 
> > Of course, I don't expect to get a response to this by Vaj
> > folks.  He never responds to something when he is
> > proven to be a fake.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Or go to: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[whynotnow7]

>From your reactions today, tartbrain, I assume you are taking the role of 
>Barry and Vaj's apologist? If not, you are sure appearing that way to me dude. 
> 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
> >
> 
> YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[whynotnow7]

Sure, challenging ideas is what goes on much of the time on FFL, among 
participants here, sans Barry and Vaj. Being a royal pain in the ass is what 
Barry and Vaj do, exclusive of the rest of us. I hope you appreciate my clear 
cut explanation. Glad it came along in the nick of time for you too!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Vaj and Barry, in their infantile fascination with themselves, haven't 
> > figured our the difference between challenging ideas, and being a royal 
> > pain in the ass. 
> 
> Oh good. I was JUST NOW wondering about the difference between these two 
> things. Can you explain to me in detail? I would be most appreciative.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
>

YES! "Great smack downs are what the good life is all about" Socrotes

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Vaj and Barry, in their infantile fascination with themselves, haven't 
> figured our the difference between challenging ideas, and being a royal pain 
> in the ass. 

Oh good. I was JUST NOW wondering about the difference between these two 
things. Can you explain to me in detail? I would be most appreciative.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[whynotnow7]

Damn, the jig is up. Though he should've been expecting this as a powerful and 
feared enemy of our cult.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> You don't know the half of it, Barry. We've formed
> our own TMO-SEAL team, and we're COMING TO GET YOU.
> We've been training for months. We needed one more
> member to stand lookout, and Richard fortuitously
> showed up just in time for us to recruit him for
> the team.
> 
> You've made it much easier for us by not reading
> our posts; we've been able to do all our planning
> on FFL right under your nose.
> 
> Even if you do read this one, it's too late now to
> stop us. We're all set to go. Anxiety on your part,
> not knowing when we'll arrive, will only help us.
> 
> Remember, we have the Invisibility, Walking Through
> Walls, and Strength of an Elephant siddhis, so you
> won't have any sign of us until you're suddenly
> wafted away from your happy family. (Yes, they're in
> on it. It was their plea that we work with them to
> get rid of you that got us started.)
> 
> No, we aren't going to harm you. We're just going to
> take you someplace you really, really don't want to
> be and leave you there, permanently.
> 
> So have a great day, and sleep well tonight!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I've stated my position many times before -- there
> > is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> > to perform character assassination on and demonize
> > its critics. The following statements, made by some
> > who regularly practice such character assassination
> > to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> > short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> > statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> > actively attempt to recruit more haters:
> > 
> > > Well said, Richard.
> > 
> > > Thanks Dude - very well put 
> > 
> > > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard 
> > 
> > > Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's 
> > > left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS
> > 
> > > is Vaj really that infantile?
> > 
> > > Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior.
> > > We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious
> > > assholes" behavior.
> > 
> > > He gets to take a lap. He's acknowledging the well-
> > > deserved applause from those who appreciated the
> > > gutsy way he slapped Vaj down.
> > 
> > > The verdict is in. You done good.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: If tomorrow really was the end of the world...

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Would you do anything different today than any other
> day? If so, haven't you kinda wasted your life?

Interesting point. 

It raises other questions.

What specifically is not a waste of life? 

That is, to answer that, one needs to know what is important in life. Can we 
rank these things (like Bob Dylan's songs)? What life event, perception, 
action, insight, etc., was more important than the others? Can you give me your 
top 100?

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[whynotnow7]

It is, but you don't sound whiney or neurotic. Do I, or are you assuming that 
whatever we see is us exclusively? I am not following your comment...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> Ah. The mirror of the Universe is a wonderous thing.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Just a whiner. Definitely neurotic.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry, you are just making an ass of yourself. Please save yourself the 
> > > > embarrassment and take a day off.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > How can he, being obsessed with Maharishi and the TMO even decades after 
> > > he was kicked-out/left freely ? 
> > > From a distance, and for a non-professional, it smells like some kind of 
> > > of pchycosis.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Major community update on Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This list reads like the credits from, "The Return of the Taliban".
> 


And you thought life in "Heaven on Earth" was going to be significantly 
different than Taliban Rule? 

(Or vice versa)



> >
> > Yes, Very important indeed.
> > A watershed or sea-change.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:28:35 -0500
> > > Subject: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS-- Invitation to a Special Event
> > > From: Dome Announcements 
> > > 
> > > Major community update on MAHARISHI VEDIC PANDIT PROGRAM in India, 
> > > America, and Nepal
> > > Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome
> > > Thursday, May 26, 2011, 8 p.m.
> > > 
> > > Raja John Hagelin and Dr. Bevan Morris
> > > 
> > > With Special Guests:
> > > 
> > > Brahmachari Dr. Girish Chandra Varma, B.Sc., L.L.B., B.Mus., Ph.D. 
> > > Leader of educational institutions in India founded by Maharishi 
> > > including Maharishi Ved Vigyan Vishwa Vidya Peetham Trust, which has 
> > > trained over 50,000 Maharishi Vedic Pandits, Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > School System, with over 100,000 students and 152 branches in 16 
> > > states, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic Vishwavidyalaya, a state 
> > > university of Madhya Pradesh with an enrollment of 70,000 students
> > > 
> > > Raja Harris Kaplan, Raja of India, and a delegation of Indian educators
> > > 
> > > Mr. Deepak Baskota, Chairman of the Nepal Maharishi Vedic Foundation, 
> > > and former State Minister for Home Affairs, Government of Nepal
> > > 
> > > Raja Kingsley Brooks, Raja of Nepal, and a delegation from Nepal
> > > 
> > > Raja Wynne, Mayor of Maharishi Vedic City and Director of the 
> > > Maharishi Vedic Pandit program in America
> > > 
> > > Jai Guru Dev
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > 
> > > DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements 
> > > to the Maharishi University of Management community.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[authfriend]

You don't know the half of it, Barry. We've formed
our own TMO-SEAL team, and we're COMING TO GET YOU.
We've been training for months. We needed one more
member to stand lookout, and Richard fortuitously
showed up just in time for us to recruit him for
the team.

You've made it much easier for us by not reading
our posts; we've been able to do all our planning
on FFL right under your nose.

Even if you do read this one, it's too late now to
stop us. We're all set to go. Anxiety on your part,
not knowing when we'll arrive, will only help us.

Remember, we have the Invisibility, Walking Through
Walls, and Strength of an Elephant siddhis, so you
won't have any sign of us until you're suddenly
wafted away from your happy family. (Yes, they're in
on it. It was their plea that we work with them to
get rid of you that got us started.)

No, we aren't going to harm you. We're just going to
take you someplace you really, really don't want to
be and leave you there, permanently.

So have a great day, and sleep well tonight!





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I've stated my position many times before -- there
> is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> to perform character assassination on and demonize
> its critics. The following statements, made by some
> who regularly practice such character assassination
> to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> actively attempt to recruit more haters:
> 
> > Well said, Richard.
> 
> > Thanks Dude - very well put 
> 
> > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard 
> 
> > Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's 
> > left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS
> 
> > is Vaj really that infantile?
> 
> > Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior.
> > We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious
> > assholes" behavior.
> 
> > He gets to take a lap. He's acknowledging the well-
> > deserved applause from those who appreciated the
> > gutsy way he slapped Vaj down.
> 
> > The verdict is in. You done good.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[WillyTex]

> > I've stated my position many times before -- there
> > is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> > to perform character assassination on and demonize
> > its critics.
> > 
sparaig:
> I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my impression 
> is that the TM organization has very strict rules 
> against that kind of thing, though, of course, Group 
> Think can certainly blind people to their own flaws in 
> that area.
> 
Andrew Skolnick, the TM critic on Usenet, was pretty 
much demonized by Barry. LoL!

Subject: Re: Lawson English's Credibility 
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, sci.psychology, 
sci.med, alt.health.ayurveda, 
alt.meditation.transcendental
Author: Shoki
Date: Tuesday, March 7 1995
http://tinyurl.com/3z3y2ud

turquoiseb:
> > I've stated my position many times before -- there
> > is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> > to perform character assassination on and demonize
> > its critics. The following statements, made by some
> > who regularly practice such character assassination
> > to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> > short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> > statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> > actively attempt to recruit more haters:

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[tartbrain]

Ah. The mirror of the Universe is a wonderous thing.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Just a whiner. Definitely neurotic.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, you are just making an ass of yourself. Please save yourself the 
> > > embarrassment and take a day off.
> > 
> > 
> > How can he, being obsessed with Maharishi and the TMO even decades after he 
> > was kicked-out/left freely ? 
> > From a distance, and for a non-professional, it smells like some kind of of 
> > pchycosis.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do psychopaths misrule our world?

[tartbrain]

I thought Self-Centered was a good thing.

Oh well, back to the asana mat for me. (Sort of like Sisyphus) 

(And is't the manifest universe one big ass hole? The excrement of the Divine? 
God-Poo? Perhaps a huge asshole should be at the center of the shrine of total 
Holiness. Isn't there an Aghora or similar sect that worships assholes? )

"He who sees himself as the totality of all assholes, who sees the universe as 
one big assholish thing, he indeed is at the center of all creation"   (the 
Asshole Sutras, 13:43)





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> I agree. Trump and Gingrich are just narcissist. The more they are in the 
> public eye, the more they expose their narcissism. They are not "psychopaths" 
> a term no longer used in clinical psychology, they're just a couple of 
> self-centered assholes.
> 
> --- On Sat, 5/21/11, seekliberation  wrote:
> 
> > From: seekliberation 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do psychopaths misrule our world?
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 8:02 AM
> > I'd definitely put Trump high on the
> > scale.  Gingrich on the other hand has his faults and
> > obvious failures, but I don't see him as a legitimate
> > "psychopath".  Trump's extreme narcissism came out
> > during his supposed presidential candidacy and his 'birther'
> > campaign.  Although I view him as not being a threat to
> > other's lives, his mindset is definitely way out in left
> > field and he is off track with reality.
> > 
> > seekliberation
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Yifu"  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.truthout.org/do-psychopaths-misrule-our-world/1305907377
> > > ...
> > > He mentions Trump and Gingrich but I don't believe his
> > list of characteristics fits those dudes, on the whole.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Or go to: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] 10 Things IT Groups Need to Know About the Rapture

[Tom Pall]

http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/387397/10_things_it_groups_need_know_about_rapture_end_/

*6. Review all software licenses.*

Make sure they don't expire immediately before or after The Rapture.

Despite being employees of West Coast companies, your
Ciscoor
Microsoft  reps might be
among the missing (possibly less likely with
Apple).
Afterward, you might be able to push for a Rapture Discount on new software
and hardware.

*4. Postpone the upgrade to Windows 7.*

You could save money (fewer users) and avoid disruptions (missing tech
support staff) by waiting until after The Rapture to move to
Microsoft's Windows
7 
operating
system.

*2. Hit upper management for expanded IT funding.*

Explain The Rapture to them as the ultimate cloud initiative. They won't
know what you're talking about, but they know the cloud is cool and
important. They'll just keep nodding as they sign the checks.

*1. iPhone 5 release will not be affected.*

The consensusis
that Apple CEO Steve Jobs is a Buddhist. Or maybe a vegan. Either one
is
Rapture-proof.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Rishi II: Mahesh's downfall

[WillyTex]

Vaj:
> Marshy's first enlightened one spoke thus:
>
So, you have a new guru, Robin Carlsen - the
Sufi Murshid. LoL!

Don't you just hate those Muslims!

"What did Robin say that caused a black MIU 
security guard to wrestle an invalid to the 
ground? What were you doing at Howard Hall?"

Read more:

Subject: Re: Robin Carlsen Article on Islamic Web Site
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: May 30, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/44wabsd

[FairfieldLife] The Afterlife

[turquoiseb]

If all these people lining up for the Rapture and 
looking forward to the afterlife only knew what 
awaited them. It's just like here. You got to fill 
out a form first, and then you wait in the line.
Wonderful video of Paul Simon's "The Afterlife,"
from his new album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTlueB-ReI

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[whynotnow7]

Just a whiner. Definitely neurotic.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Barry, you are just making an ass of yourself. Please save yourself the 
> > embarrassment and take a day off.
> 
> 
> How can he, being obsessed with Maharishi and the TMO even decades after he 
> was kicked-out/left freely ? 
> From a distance, and for a non-professional, it smells like some kind of of 
> pchycosis.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[sparaig]

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my impression is that the TM 
organization has very strict rules against that kind of thing, though, of 
course, Group Think can certainly blind people to their own flaws in that area.


Lawson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I've stated my position many times before -- there
> is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> to perform character assassination on and demonize
> its critics. The following statements, made by some
> who regularly practice such character assassination
> to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> actively attempt to recruit more haters:
> 
> > Well said, Richard.
> 
> > Thanks Dude - very well put 
> 
> > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard 
> 
> > Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's 
> > left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS
> 
> > is Vaj really that infantile?
> 
> > Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior.
> > We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious
> > assholes" behavior.
> 
> > He gets to take a lap. He's acknowledging the well-
> > deserved applause from those who appreciated the
> > gutsy way he slapped Vaj down.
> 
> > The verdict is in. You done good.
>

[FairfieldLife] AOL Observations and Wonderment

[tartbrain]

I have started getting AoL's newsletters -- not sure how. Several observations 
that puzzle (and this is not at all a dis or judgement on AoL or SSRS. Just 
things that I don't grasp -- which in the context of life in general, is not a 
small list) 

1) Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's message on Sri Sathya Sai Baba leaving his body
24th Apr 2011
Sri Sathya Sai Baba will continue to live in the hearts of millions of 
devotees. His message of 'Love All and Serve All' will resonate in the world 
forever. His messages have always been universal; especially his message of 
'Satya Dharma Shanti Prema' which has transcended all barriers of caste and 
religion. As Baba has departed earlier than he had predicted, he will return to 
the planet earlier.

2) The Berlin Celebration. Maybe its me, my mind reading things into the spaces 
between the lines, but I hear such a passionate frenzy in this and other AoL 
events and processes.  One thing that struck me with SSRS was his message (as I 
heard it) "Get outside the passion of life." As in 'life is that inner silence, 
the still mind, not the  frenzy of high waves of passion about outer things, 
take it easy, take it as it comes' 

Someone likened AoL courses with SSRS (at least those in the 90's that I 
attended) as a cross between early TM courses with MMY and a Grateful Dead 
concert (meaning the week long event of the Dead happenings). That seemed quite 
right to me. But then, and more now perhaps, I would add the frenzy of and 
screaming of a Beatles or early Rolling Stones concert ( a la 1964)/ There 
appears such frenzy and the vibe that "my whole being depends upon having the 
closest seat to SSRS".  

The beauty of SSRS's message I thought was that SSRS is That Silence and That 
Silence can and is enjoyed anywhere. Silent, content, not dependent on outside 
events and things. AoL events appear to be throwing fuel on the fire of frenzy. 
(I know, "just another of life's opposites that can and need to be resolved and 
integrated into the whole yada yada" but still, for a closed off system 
like me, it appears to be a paradox (inconsistent).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday on Tuesday, Bob

[WillyTex]

turquoiseb:
> Bob Dylan is about to turn 70. Go figure. Rolling 
> Stone has devoted much of its May 26th issue to him,
>
That's funny - the guy that sang "Everybody must get
stoned" is featured in a magazine that is opposed
to the legalization of marijuana. Go figure.

This must be very embarrassing for Bob. 

> and named what it thought were his ten best songs. 
> Then they asked their readers to submit their top 
> ten, which are featured at this site, along with 
> videos of them being performed:
> 
> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/rolling-stone-readers-pick-their-10-favorite-bob-dylan-songs-20110518/0343416
> 
> Number one on both lists was described by Bono of U2 
> thusly: "The real thrill for me was that 'once upon 
> a time' in the world, a song this radical was a hit 
> on the radio. The world was changed by a cranky voice, 
> a romantic spirit, somebody who cared enough about an 
> unrequited love to write such a devastatingly caustic 
> put-down."
> 
> Dylan often described #2 as a song that "took me ten
> years to live and two years to write." I can see that.
> 
> #3 on the readers' list would be my #1, with their #10
> in second place and their #4 in third place.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[WillyTex]

turquoiseb:
> I've stated my position many times before -- there
> is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization...
>
So, how many are on staff at the "TM organization" - 
one or two at the Fairfield TM Center? There must 
have been all of three or four TM initiations last 
year!

There's what, three hundred TMers inside a Golden 
Dome, on a good day, world-wide? 

Turq, if there was a *systematic* campaign inside
the TMO, then TM would be the most popular and 
*best* spiritual practice on the planet. 

Face it, Pal, you failed, you sucked as a spiritual 
teacher. Get over it get back to work. Go figure.
  
> to perform character assassination on and demonize
> its critics. The following statements, made by some
> who regularly practice such character assassination
> to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> actively attempt to recruit more haters:
> 
> > Well said, Richard.
> 
> > Thanks Dude - very well put 
> 
> > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard 
> 
> > Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's 
> > left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS
> 
> > is Vaj really that infantile?
> 
> > Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior.
> > We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious
> > assholes" behavior.
> 
> > He gets to take a lap. He's acknowledging the well-
> > deserved applause from those who appreciated the
> > gutsy way he slapped Vaj down.
> 
> > The verdict is in. You done good.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday on Tuesday, Bob

[tartbrain]

Funny how different songs affect different people. Few of these songs are the 
ones that really moved me, plucked chords in my soul that I knew not existed, 
shook my ground, filled me with light, showed me new universes. Half quite 
good, others for me, not close to his stellar works. However, maybe I 
misunderstood the list. (Was it Bob Dylan's best cliches of Bob Dylan?)  

(No disrespect to those that do so, mine is A VIEW) all this aside from the 
fact that lists of the TEN BEST is so antithetical to Dylan or at least the 
Dylan of the 60's that I groked. Its the linear mind that tries to rank the 
beauty of different sunsets or starry nights and moonshines. The beauty and 
grandeur of the Whole is assassinated for the sake of efficiency and mindless 
sludge  -- "the MAN and its culture cannot do that to us" -- I thought was the 
glowing underground stream feeding his vast array of sandcastles works.

That said in the context of his so many reinventions, emergences, stumblings, 
falling down various rabbit holes, phoenix reincarnations.   In that regard, I 
loved the film, "I am not there" is grasping some of the essence of various 
facets of the reflection of his life.  How can one possibly extract and rank 
one song outside the context and massiveness of the whole. What's your favorite 
flower in the garden. After hiking the entire John Muir trail, what was your 
favorite PART?  Totally MU question. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Bob Dylan is about to turn 70. Go figure. Rolling 
> Stone has devoted much of its May 26th issue to him, 
> and named what it thought were his ten best songs. 
> Then they asked their readers to submit their top 
> ten, which are featured at this site, along with 
> videos of them being performed:
> 
> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/rolling-stone-readers-pick-their-10-favorite-bob-dylan-songs-20110518/0343416
> 
> Number one on both lists was described by Bono of U2 
> thusly: "The real thrill for me was that 'once upon 
> a time' in the world, a song this radical was a hit 
> on the radio. The world was changed by a cranky voice, 
> a romantic spirit, somebody who cared enough about an 
> unrequited love to write such a devastatingly caustic 
> put-down."
> 
> Dylan often described #2 as a song that "took me ten
> years to live and two years to write." I can see that.
> 
> #3 on the readers' list would be my #1, with their #10
> in second place and their #4 in third place.
>

[FairfieldLife] Desiring the End of the World

[turquoiseb]

I've been thinking lately about a phrase that pops up in almost every
spiritual trip I've run across: "What you focus on, you become." Seems
to me that this belief is applicable to the recent wide-spread
fascination with end of the world fantasies. I find myself wondering
about the mindstate of people for whom the end of the world is something
they not only focus on but actually look forward to. It just doesn't
strike me as my cuppa tea. If being Left Behind means that I'm gonna
miss out on spending eternity with people who think like this...uh...I
can somehow live with being Left Behind.
Desiring the End of the Worldby Paul Brandeis Raushenbush

Why are we so fascinated with the May 21, End of the World phenomenon?
For many of us, the spectacle of these people with their doomsday signs
and complicated calendar calculations provides good comic relief and
finger pointing -- "look at the freaks." But as a piece by HuffPost
Religion writer Jaweed Kaleem shows, the followers of Harold Camping
  and his end-time crusade are real people whose conviction of
the impending end of the world was seemingly inspired by a deep desire
to create meaning and certainty in life within our difficult and chaotic
world.

Eschatology is the fancy term religious scholars use to talk about the
end of the world.  It is derived from the Greek word eschaton, which
means the last or the end.  Eschatological thought in the Bible is
consistently marked by a sense of desperation concerning the way the
world is, as opposed to the way the world ought to be.  Apocalyptic
scriptural references anticipate that God's reign will break into this
world; a promise that ultimately provides hope in the future as it
projects a time of radical departure from the difficult realities of the
present.

I can see the attraction of this kind of thinking.  If the believer
white-knuckles it and holds the line, then God will come and break into
the world, relieve their suffering, bring justice to an unjust world,
and lift those who believed into an exalted role in the new creation. 
The more I think about the people who are placing their hope in the
current end-of-the-world scheme, the less I want to laugh at them and
the more I feel compassion for them.

My guess is that people who put their trust in these movements have a
sense of powerlessness, and they need to believe in a radical solution
to their current situation. While the rich and powerful make fun, the
followers of Camping and the May 21 movement are largely working-class
people who feel that they have less and less of a voice or place in this
world.   Like buying a lottery ticket, they are placing bets on a
instant transformation of their personal situation where the last will
become first, and the rich will be sent away empty.

But it is not only the materially wealthy who desire these radical
changes. People can be in hopeless personal situations with family, or
face depression and feel like there is no way out. The end of the world
seems like a positive and real option when you are at rock bottom and
don't know how to rise up.  Or maybe they are people who are simply
looking for a reason to make their lives matter in the face of the
alienation of our modern world, or the day-to-day tedium and challenges.
Seeing a clear end date on the horizon makes every day count.

But here is the tragedy -- every day does count.  And people should have
hope for the future, and our lives can have meaning.  And you don't have
to believe in an end-of-the world scam to get it.  On Sunday May 22, my
hope is that Camping's Christian followers find meaning and hope in a
new way.  Instead of following a false prophet like Camping, these
Christians should turn towards Jesus whose message in Luke 17:21 is very
clear:

"The kingdom of God is not coming with things that can be observed; nor
will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There it is!' For, in fact, the
kingdom of God is among* you."

We should not expect or hope for some cataclysmic event to bring about a
better world -- the Kingdom of God is among us if we have eyes to see
it.  We can live in God's realm and find meaning through living out the
commandments of love, forgiveness and peace.  We can find spiritual and
psychological relief when we offer prayers of gratitude for the
blessings of family, and for the beauty of this world's ecology, which
cries out for redemption, not destruction. We can find purpose in our
solidarity with our brothers and sisters who are suffering and by
working to extend God's blessings to those whom Jesus called "the least
of these."

Martin Luther King, Jr., taught that the moral arc of the universe is
long, but it bends toward justice. God's realm of justice already
exists-- we just have to decide to live there.  So, let's extend a hand
to these folks who are going to be so disappointed on May 22 and invite

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do psychopaths misrule our world?

[Peter]

I agree. Trump and Gingrich are just narcissist. The more they are in the 
public eye, the more they expose their narcissism. They are not "psychopaths" a 
term no longer used in clinical psychology, they're just a couple of 
self-centered assholes.

--- On Sat, 5/21/11, seekliberation  wrote:

> From: seekliberation 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do psychopaths misrule our world?
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 8:02 AM
> I'd definitely put Trump high on the
> scale.  Gingrich on the other hand has his faults and
> obvious failures, but I don't see him as a legitimate
> "psychopath".  Trump's extreme narcissism came out
> during his supposed presidential candidacy and his 'birther'
> campaign.  Although I view him as not being a threat to
> other's lives, his mindset is definitely way out in left
> field and he is off track with reality.
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "Yifu"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.truthout.org/do-psychopaths-misrule-our-world/1305907377
> > ...
> > He mentions Trump and Gingrich but I don't believe his
> list of characteristics fits those dudes, on the whole.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> 
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> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] 57% of voters think President Obama will be re-elected

[do.rflex]

FOX News Poll: Today, 57 percent of voters think President Obama
will be re-elected. That's about double the 29 percent who thought
so in December. And the 36 percent of voters who don't expect him to
be re-elected is a major shift from the 64 percent who felt that
way previously (December 14-15, 2010).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/19/fox-news-poll-despite-economic-woes-voters-think-obama-prevail-2012/
 


Other recent polls:


~~~ Obama Polls Well Despite Poor Economy ~~~

May 16, 2011

A new Politico/GWU Battleground poll finds that despite
widespread disapproval of President Obama's handling of the
economy, 52% of Americans approve of the president and 59% are open
to reelecting him.

Said pollster Celinda Lake: "President Obama's successful targeting
of Osama bin Laden has provided him a much-needed boost and set
in stark relief the differences between the two parties on the
central dimensions of leadership, competence, resolve and results.

Republicans have aided this dynamic with their tortured criticism
and the same prescription of austerity and overreach that doomed
them after their last monumental midterm victory in 1994."

Linked here: 
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/05/16/obama_polls_well_despite_poor_economy.html
 



~~~  Pew Research Poll: Obama In Good Shape For Re-Election  ~~~

March 23, 2011

47% of registered voters say they
would like to see Obama reelected,
while 37% say they would prefer to
see a Republican candidate win the
2012 election.


-- Pew Research notes that President Obama "currently fares as
well against a generic opponent in the upcoming presidential
election as George W. Bush did in April 2003, a time when Bush's
job approval rating was much higher than Obama's is today.

"He also tests considerably better than Bill Clinton did in March 1995."

Key findings: 47% of registered voters say they would like to see
Obama reelected, while 37% say they would prefer to see a
Republican candidate win the 2012 election.

Aaron David Miller: "Should Obama win reelection next year,
Americans would make not only his day but history as well:
It would be the first time in 200 years -- since Thomas
Jefferson, James Madison and James Monroe -- that the
United States has elected three two-term presidents in a row."

Linked here: 
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/03/23/obama_polling_better_than_bush_clinton.html


~~~  Recent Polls Show Major,Momentum For Obama  ~~~

January 28, 2011

"And for all the talk among some pundits
about Obama heading toward a one-and-done
presidency, his 50% approval rating at
the halfway mark of his term is better
than Bill Clinton's 47%, and much higher
than Reagan's 37%, according to Gallup.

"Obama is doing so well lately that,
despite the midterm shellacking and the
notion that it was a referendum on the
President, Americans would rather see the
country go in the direction Obama wants
than in the direction Congressional
Republicans want.

"An ABC/Washington Post poll found that
Americans wanted to see Obama rather than
Republicans take the lead by a 44% to 35%
split.

"That finding was supported by a PPP poll
in which 48% of respondents said they had
more faith in Obama to lead the nation,
versus 44% who said they were more confident
in Republicans."

Links: 
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/what-shellacking-recent-polls-show-major-momentum-for-obama.php

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Barry, you are just making an ass of yourself. Please save yourself the 
> embarrassment and take a day off.


How can he, being obsessed with Maharishi and the TMO even decades after he was 
kicked-out/left freely ? 
>From a distance, and for a non-professional, it smells like some kind of of 
>pchycosis.

[FairfieldLife] It's like Christmas times TEN!

[curtisdeltablues]

What a morning I've had!  I got up early with my "rapture map" and drove up to 
the houses of the rapturees with my van.  Having thought ahead and rented the 
commercial grade dolly made my work easy.  Now my crib is pimped out mega-large 
with three new sectional LEATHER sofas, my walls are so covered with Hi def 
flat screens my living room looks like the security cam room of the Bellagio, 
and I've got three, count em three Kitchen aid mixers so I can leave on the 
attachments for everything I do, meat grinder, bread kneader and personal 
pleasure device. (Yeah, they have one but you have to special order it from 
Japan.)

Anyhooo some on this spiritually minded board might be saying to themselves, 
but that is just so superficial Curtis.  Didn't you get anything deeper out of 
your rapture looting rampage?  And I would say "hell yea little buddy" because 
I also rescued 23 pets from their dismal fate from their 
not-so-considerate-selfishly-saved owners.  Some made a lame attempt to put out 
an extra bowl of food and water as it this would last their furry companions 
till the world is engulfed in flames as all us non rapturees sink into the 
"fiery firmament".  (that sounds like the beginning of an awesome chocolate 
cake recipe: First melt 72% chocolate into a fiery firmament before adding it 
to the sifted flour.)  So I am like covered in rescue dog slobber and even a 
raspy kitty kiss or two from appreciative critters whose only fault was to end 
up in the home of a super-duper virtuous person. The kind who would leave their 
pets behind to starve. (Didn't they see the pre-rapture pet insurance scam that 
was everywhere in the news last week?)

So is my commercial lust sated?  Not till I have to return the van at 7 baby!  
Having snagged the best big ticket items I am going back for the hidden stuff 
like guns.  Man do those Christians pack some badass heat!  I mean a brother 
would think he was in the projects with the kind of firepower the average 
rapturee has in the back of their closet. (always check the hanging suit bags.  
Goldmine!)

And speaking of gold they also stocked up on a bunch of that Fox news approved 
anti-Obama's socialism metal, but you have dig a little to find it.   Wherever 
you see more than two Bibles together, one is hollowed out and is packed with 
the good stuff.  They think Bibles work on unbelievers like garlic to a 
vampire. Surprise!

Uh oh, I'm sounding materialistic again, and I don't mean to because today is 
really a celebration of love.  I'm going to get a little serious here for a 
moment.  On my trips into stranger's houses I am often touched that they would 
think to leave behind their sexy-sinn'n daughters, whose wanton ways 
disqualified them for the heavenly ascent.  The kind of love only possible 
between a man who rented a van in anticipation of this blessed event and the 
repressed sensuality of a hottie in the skin tight tube top and mini skirt her 
mother would never let her wear, and who is two bottles deep into the 
sacramental wine by the time I arrive.

That kind of love.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Major community update on Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program

[Buck]

Om, and the TM King?  Will he be returning too?


>
> This list reads like the credits from, "The Return of the Taliban".
> 
> >
> > Yes, Very important indeed.
> > A watershed or sea-change.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:28:35 -0500
> > > Subject: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS-- Invitation to a Special Event
> > > From: Dome Announcements 
> > > 
> > > Major community update on MAHARISHI VEDIC PANDIT PROGRAM in India, 
> > > America, and Nepal
> > > Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome
> > > Thursday, May 26, 2011, 8 p.m.
> > > 
> > > Raja John Hagelin and Dr. Bevan Morris
> > > 
> > > With Special Guests:
> > > 
> > > Brahmachari Dr. Girish Chandra Varma, B.Sc., L.L.B., B.Mus., Ph.D. 
> > > Leader of educational institutions in India founded by Maharishi 
> > > including Maharishi Ved Vigyan Vishwa Vidya Peetham Trust, which has 
> > > trained over 50,000 Maharishi Vedic Pandits, Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > School System, with over 100,000 students and 152 branches in 16 
> > > states, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic Vishwavidyalaya, a state 
> > > university of Madhya Pradesh with an enrollment of 70,000 students
> > > 
> > > Raja Harris Kaplan, Raja of India, and a delegation of Indian educators
> > > 
> > > Mr. Deepak Baskota, Chairman of the Nepal Maharishi Vedic Foundation, 
> > > and former State Minister for Home Affairs, Government of Nepal
> > > 
> > > Raja Kingsley Brooks, Raja of Nepal, and a delegation from Nepal
> > > 
> > > Raja Wynne, Mayor of Maharishi Vedic City and Director of the 
> > > Maharishi Vedic Pandit program in America
> > > 
> > > Jai Guru Dev
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > 
> > > DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements 
> > > to the Maharishi University of Management community.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday on Tuesday, Bob

[merudanda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9hMtVWN91M
Bob Dylan's live-performance of his legendary „A Hard Rain's A-Gonna
Fall" at „The Great Music Experience", Nara (Japan) in May 1994.
Dylan  plays before a massive orchestral scenery, which is the Tokyo New
Philharmonic orchestra -- the first time ever he played with an classic 
orchestra.
"Heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world"
IMHO belongs  to
Just In Case: 21 Songs For The End Of The World too.
Want some laugh read
Just In Case: 21 Songs For The End Of The World
#277450 of 277450

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Bob Dylan is about to turn 70. Go figure. Rolling
> Stone has devoted much of its May 26th issue to him,
> and named what it thought were his ten best songs.
> Then they asked their readers to submit their top
> ten, which are featured at this site, along with
> videos of them being performed:
>
>
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/rolling-stone-readers-pick-thei\
r-10-favorite-bob-dylan-songs-20110518/0343416
>
> Number one on both lists was described by Bono of U2
> thusly: "The real thrill for me was that 'once upon
> a time' in the world, a song this radical was a hit
> on the radio. The world was changed by a cranky voice,
> a romantic spirit, somebody who cared enough about an
> unrequited love to write such a devastatingly caustic
> put-down."
>
> Dylan often described #2 as a song that "took me ten
> years to live and two years to write." I can see that.
>
> #3 on the readers' list would be my #1, with their #10
> in second place and their #4 in third place.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'End of the World?'

[merudanda]

Call it Judgment Day, The Rapture or Doomsday. The fact of the matter is
that we're all getting just a little kooky with all this "End of the
World on May 21
 " foolishness. Heck, even the Center for Disease Control in
Atlanta is getting in on
  Preparedness 101: Zombie Apocalypse
CDC Public Health Matters Blog on May 16th, 2011 by  Ali S. Khan.

  [Image of zombie]

There are all kinds of  emergencies out there that we can prepare for.
Take a zombie apocalypse for  example. That's right, I said
z-o-m-b-i-e a-p-o-c-a-l-y-p-s-e. You may laugh  now, but when it happens
you'll be happy you read this, and hey, maybe you'll  even learn
a thing or two about how to prepare for a real emergency..
http://emergency.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp

Never Fear – CDC is Ready
  [Photo: Get a Kit, Make a Plan, Be Prepared]
Get a Kit, Make a Plan, Be Prepared
If zombies did start roaming the streets, CDC  would conduct an
investigation much like any other disease outbreak. CDC would  provide
technical assistance to cities, states, or international partners 
dealing with a zombie infestation. This assistance might include
consultation,  lab testing and analysis, patient management and care,
tracking of contacts,  and infection control (including isolation and
quarantine  ).
It's likely that an investigation of this scenario wo

http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/

You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved.  But when
the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left
behind?   Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind.

...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
>
> Seems like the end of the world is upon us...?
>
> But, what world is coming to an end?
>
> Maybe it's the end of the 'Big Lie?'...
>
> Perhaps its the time, when the light has gotten the upper hand...
>
> And, the darknesses recedes on all sides, above and below...
>
> A time of personal enlightenment, and personal power...
>
> When the meek are inheriting the earth...
>
> From the fear-mongers, money grubbers and ego-spinners...
>
> The end of the forbodden power of darkness.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday on Tuesday, Bob

[turquoiseb]

Bob Dylan is about to turn 70. Go figure. Rolling 
Stone has devoted much of its May 26th issue to him, 
and named what it thought were his ten best songs. 
Then they asked their readers to submit their top 
ten, which are featured at this site, along with 
videos of them being performed:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/rolling-stone-readers-pick-their-10-favorite-bob-dylan-songs-20110518/0343416

Number one on both lists was described by Bono of U2 
thusly: "The real thrill for me was that 'once upon 
a time' in the world, a song this radical was a hit 
on the radio. The world was changed by a cranky voice, 
a romantic spirit, somebody who cared enough about an 
unrequited love to write such a devastatingly caustic 
put-down."

Dylan often described #2 as a song that "took me ten
years to live and two years to write." I can see that.

#3 on the readers' list would be my #1, with their #10
in second place and their #4 in third place.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On a Positive Note- Jerry jarvis

[seventhray1]

Is that the honeymoon picture of Edward and Bella. How sweet.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> just fed
> http://www.glogster.com/media/3/7/45/54/7455461.jpg
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Now that I can stop policing Vaj for the moment (don't worry folks
we
> > know his silence on topics that he claims to be an expert on but
really
> > isn't will not last long... oh yes, he will be back!),
> >
> >
> > Well he just fed, so it could be up to a week before he'll need
another
> > full meal.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do psychopaths misrule our world?

[seekliberation]

I'd definitely put Trump high on the scale.  Gingrich on the other hand has his 
faults and obvious failures, but I don't see him as a legitimate "psychopath".  
Trump's extreme narcissism came out during his supposed presidential candidacy 
and his 'birther' campaign.  Although I view him as not being a threat to 
other's lives, his mindset is definitely way out in left field and he is off 
track with reality.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> http://www.truthout.org/do-psychopaths-misrule-our-world/1305907377
> ...
> He mentions Trump and Gingrich but I don't believe his list of 
> characteristics fits those dudes, on the whole.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Indoctrination Works: An open letter to Richard Nelson

[whynotnow7]

Barry, you are just making an ass of yourself. Please save yourself the 
embarrassment and take a day off.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Richard, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to use your
> de-lurking as a springboard from which to make a few points
> about the nature of Fairfield Life, and about the (IMO) 
> real link between the behaviors one regularly sees here
> and behaviors one regularly sees in the larger TM movement.
> 
> Cult indoctrination is rarely about "rules and regs." Oh,
> sometimes such rules exist, such as, "Thou shalt see no
> other spiritual teacher, under threat of excommunication."
> But that's not how indoctrination really works. In daily
> practice, it's more like dog training: "Perform this
> behavior that we praise you for performing and we'll
> give you a dog treat; perform this other action and we'll
> swat your ass with a rolled-up newspaper."
> 
> THAT is what goes on in TM centers and on TM residence
> course and at its Teacher Training Courses. If called
> upon to state a point of dogma, you are expected to do
> so using either Maharishi's own language or the lang-
> uage of one of his appointed representatives, a TM
> teacher in good standing. Repeat the dogma in this way,
> using the "approved" language, and you get praised
> and you're given emotional "strokes," the human equiv-
> alent of dog treats. Try to express the same point of
> dogma in your own words, or using language that the
> dog trainers don't approve of, and you're swatted down,
> often in public, in the company of your peer students.
> After a while, is it any surprise that everyone says
> the same things, in the same language?
> 
> Now take the example of how TM teachers and Maharishi
> himself dealt with critics. They tended to always 
> assume that there was something *wrong* with them; if
> they were doubting what these "knowers of reality"
> said, that "wrongness" was a given in their view. It 
> was common and accepted to attempt to dismiss critics 
> and doubters as "just unstressing," or if that didn't 
> make them shut up or go away, they were characterized
> as "mentally ill" or "having hidden motives" or worse, 
> "part of an organized conspiracy to spread lies and 
> misinformation about Maharishi, TM, and what we all 
> know to be the 'highest path'."
> 
> And how is this *taught*, so that people get the point
> and -- just as with the parroting of the dogma -- begin
> to parrot the dissing and the character assassination
> as well? Same method I described above. Praise and 
> applaud the newb for "getting" some TM critic with a
> stinging putdown or criticism the way he's heard others
> put similar critics down, give them "strokes" and make 
> them feel as if they're really "part of the group."
> Hopefully the newb will get the point and join in 
> future "pile on" sessions, and diss the "right" people,
> the "enemies of TM" that he's expected to diss. 
> 
> That's the behavior that your "coming out" or de-lurking
> occasioned here at Fairfield Life. I'm commenting on it
> because it's just such a *classic* example of cult
> indoctrination. The "Gotta get the critics" crowd are
> salivating and almost peeing in their pants because they
> think they've got another person "on their side." Think
> about that "side" thing; is there anything *less* caught
> in duality than someone who perceives the world in terms
> of "friends and supporters of TM and Maharishi" vs.
> "those who are its enemies?" I don't think so.
> 
> I'm *with you* on some of your criticisms of Vaj. I, too
> think that he's often a bit too acerbic and dogmatic in
> his proclamations. Sometimes I even say so. But I stop
> short of having to *also* throw in a string of insults,
> name-calling and invective *when* I say so. The people
> trying their best to "recruit" you can't do that. They
> seem *incapable* of ever dealing with some of the points
> that Vaj (or I) bring up without *also* having to pepper
> their posts with putdowns, insults, and name-calling. I
> call that behavior what I perceive it to be: hatred. I
> am writing this to warn you that you are being recruited
> to be a hater.
> 
> When I called you on one of your posts -- writing some-
> thing sweet and uplifting about Jerry Jarvis, but succumb-
> ing to this praise and stroking by *also* including a put-
> down of Vaj in the same post -- you seemed to "get" what
> I was talking about. Hopefully that will "take" and you
> will be able to post more positive things in the future,
> without the accompanying set of putdowns and catcalls
> that characterize many of the self-professed "TM sup-
> porters" on this forum. 
> 
> WATCH their behavior, dude. Pay attention to it. Do 
> *any* of them post anything positive about TM, Maharishi, 
> or spiritual practice in general *without* also tying it in
> to a set of putdowns and name-calling, *in the same post*?
> I think you'll find that for the most part they do not. I 
> am of the op

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Them vs. Us" -- spirituality or the antithesis of sprituality?

[whynotnow7]

There is a more basic difference Barry. You are a jerk and others are not. 
Plain and simple. It is not your muddled opinions. It is your behavior. BIG 
DIFFERENCE.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> It seems to me, looking around the world and the reflec-
> tion of that world that is Fairfield Life and other Net
> forums, that a certain mentality is running rampant, and
> attempting to pass itself off as spirituality.
> 
> That mentality is "them vs us." Some people are good,
> and others are bad. Some are "saved," and some will be
> "Left Behind." Some are "right," and others are "wrong."
> Some "know the Truth, the way *we* do," and others are...
> well..."ignorant."
> 
> You'll have to forgive me, but I cannot see such people
> as "spiritual." It's as if they've become so mired in
> duality that they cannot possibly see past it to a 
> state in which there is only one big, cosmic "us," just
> a bunch of People With Opinions. It seems to me that 
> anyone who looks around the world and sees nothing but 
> enemies doesn't really *need* a "end of the world" theme
> to rally behind. Their spiritual life ended some time 
> ago, and they're just going through the motions until 
> they die and get reborn with a brand new set of enemies.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recruitment Drive: How haters recruit other haters

[whynotnow7]

I agree with all of Richard's comments and the accolades he received for 
stating them. Vaj is simply a pain in the ass around here, as are you. Tough 
luck Barry - caught a dose of your own medicine have you? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I've stated my position many times before -- there
> is a *systematic* campaign in the TM organization
> to perform character assassination on and demonize
> its critics. The following statements, made by some
> who regularly practice such character assassination
> to "welcome a FFL newbie to their ranks" are nothing
> short of a recruitment drive for hatred. IMO these
> statements show both how haters think, and how they 
> actively attempt to recruit more haters:
> 
> > Well said, Richard.
> 
> > Thanks Dude - very well put 
> 
> > Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard 
> 
> > Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's 
> > left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS
> 
> > is Vaj really that infantile?
> 
> > Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior.
> > We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious
> > assholes" behavior.
> 
> > He gets to take a lap. He's acknowledging the well-
> > deserved applause from those who appreciated the
> > gutsy way he slapped Vaj down.
> 
> > The verdict is in. You done good.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Some soma stuff, part 1

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> Rgveda VIII 48 (Ralph T.H. Griffith's translation, 1896; thus,
> no quantum mechanical stuff in the translation)
> 

I mean, on the finest level the rhythmic and melodic patterns
of the original Vedic might well be vocal presentations of
various vibrational fields associated with elementary "particles" and
quantum fluctuations "near" the Planck scale??

Just try to read the original and feel that stuff!


> 
> HYMN XLVIII. Soma.
> 
> 1. WISELY have I enjoyed the savoury viand, religious-thoughted, best to find 
> out treasure,
> The food to which all Deities and mortals, calling it meath, gather 
> themselves together.
> 2 Tlou shalt be Aditi as thou hast entered within, appeaser of celestial 
> anger.
> Indu, enjoying Indra's friendship, bring us—as a swift steed the car—forward 
> to riches.
> 3 We have drunk Soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the 
> Gods discovered.
> Now what may foeman's malice do to harm us? What, O Immortal, mortal man's 
> deception?
> 4 Absorbed into the heart, be sweet, O Indu, as a kind father to his son, O 
> Soma,
> As a wise Friend to friend: do thou, wide-ruler, O Soma, lengthen out our 
> days for living.
> 5 These glorious drops that give me freedom have I drunk. Closely they knit 
> my joints as straps secure a car.
> Let them protect my foot from slipping on the way: yea, let the drops I drink 
> preserve me from disease.
> 6 Make me shine bright like fire produced by friction: give us a clearer 
> sight and make us better.
> For in carouse I think of thee, O Soma, Shall I, as a rich man, attain to 
> comfort?
> 7 May we enjoy with an enlivened spirit the juice thou givest, like ancestral 
> riches.
> O Soma, King, prolong thou our existence as Sūrya makes the shining days 
> grow longer.
> 8 King Soma, favour us and make us prosper: we are thy devotees; of this be 
> mindful.
> Spirit and power are fresh in us, O Indu give us not up unto our foeman's 
> pleasure.
> 9 For thou hast settled in each joint, O Soma, aim of men's eyes and guardian 
> of our bodies.
> When we offend against thine holy statutes, as a kind Friend, God, best of 
> all, be gracious.
> 10 May I be with the Friend whose heart is tender, who, Lord of Bays! when 
> quaffed will never harm me-
> This Soma now deposited within me. For this, I pray for longer life to Indra.
> 11 Our maladies have lost their strength and vanished: they feared, and 
> passed away into the darkness.
> Soma hath risen in us, exceeding mighty, and we are come where men prolong 
> existence.
> 12, Fathers, that Indu which our hearts have drunken, Immortal in himself, 
> hath entered mortals.
> So let us serve this Soma with oblation, and rest securely in his grace and 
> favour.
> 13 Associate with the Fathers thou, O Soma, hast spread thyself abroad 
> through earth and heaven.
> So with oblation let us serve thee, Indu, and so let us become the lords of 
> riches,
> 14 Give us your blessing, O ye Gods' preservers. Never may sleep or idle talk 
> control us.
> But evermore may we, as friends of Soma, speak to the synod with brave sons 
> around us.
> 15 On all sides,. Soma, thou art our life-giver: aim of all eyes, 
> light-finder, come within us.
> Indu, of one accord with thy protections both from behind and from before 
> preserve us.
> 
> svA`dora'bhakShi` vaya'saH sume`dhAH svA`dhyo' varivo`vitta'rasya |
> vishve` yaM de`vA u`ta martyA'so` madhu' bru`vanto' a`bhi sa`Mchara'nti || 
> 8.048.01
> a`ntashcha` prAgA` adi'tirbhavAsyavayA`tA hara'so` daivya'sya |
> inda`vindra'sya sa`khyaM ju'ShA`NaH shrauShTI'va` dhura`manu' rA`ya R^i'dhyAH 
> || 8.048.02
> apA'ma` soma'ma`mR^itA' abhU`mAga'nma` jyoti`ravi'dAma de`vAn |
> kiM nU`nama`smAnkR^i'Nava`darA'ti`H kimu' dhU`rtira'mR^ita` martya'sya || 
> 8.048.03
> shaM no' bhava hR^i`da A pI`ta i'ndo pi`teva' soma sU`nave' su`sheva'H |
> sakhe'va` sakhya' urushaMsa` dhIra`H pra Na` Ayu'rjI`vase' soma tArIH || 
> 8.048.04
> i`me mA' pI`tA ya`shasa' uru`Shyavo` ratha`M na gAva`H sama'nAha` parva'su |
> te mA' rakShantu vi`srasa'shcha`ritrA'du`ta mA` srAmA'dyavaya`ntvinda'vaH || 
> 8.048.05
> a`gniM na mA' mathi`taM saM di'dIpa`H pra cha'kShaya kR^iNu`hi vasya'so naH |
> athA` hi te` mada` A so'ma` manye' re`vA.N i'va` pra cha'rA pu`ShTimachCha' 
> || 8.048.06
> i`Shi`reNa' te` mana'sA su`tasya' bhakShI`mahi` pitrya'syeva rA`yaH |
> soma' rAja`npra Na` AyU'MShi tArI`rahA'nIva` sUryo' vAsa`rANi' || 8.048.07
> soma' rAjanmR^i`LayA' naH sva`sti tava' smasi vra`tyA`3`'stasya' viddhi |
> ala'rti` dakSha' u`ta ma`nyuri'ndo` mA no' a`ryo a'nukA`maM parA' dAH || 
> 8.048.08
> tvaM hi na'sta`nva'H soma go`pA gAtre'gAtre niSha`satthA' nR^i`chakShA'H |
> yatte' va`yaM pra'mi`nAma' vra`tAni` sa no' mR^iLa suSha`khA de'va` vasya'H 
> || 8.048.09
> R^i`dU`dare'Na` sakhyA' sacheya` yo mA` na riShye'ddharyashva pI`taH |
> a`yaM yaH somo` nyadhA'yya`sme tasmA` indra'M pra`tira'me`myAyu'H || 8.048.10
> apa` tyA a'sthu`