[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Thank you maskedzebra, I hope you don't pay any attention to the boys here - they are a little jealous of my beloved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: OK! Now I can just FORGET about that devastating put-down of me! God! to feel good about myself again: can't beat it. Although I hope you're wrong about this insinuation. Hey, Ravi: if you're reading this: Please know that I enjoyed that interview with RAI got quite a lot out of it (first 50 minutes). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 21, 2011, at 9:42 AM, turquoiseb wrote: It is worth pointing out that as far as I remember Ravi has since said on two different occasions that his entire interview was a put-on, and that he was taking advantage of Rick's naivete. I don't remember the exact messages in which he said this, and don't consider him worth my time to look it up, but I'm sure someone could if they wanted. Just providing this information to help you know who and what you're dealing with. I think a lot of people at the time took that excuse as a cover for Ravi's hypomanic, uh, unstressing He didn't always seem the most balanced fella. I always assumed, sorta reading between the lines of what he said, that it was probably syphilitic insanity acquired from an Indian prostitute (his whore).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I believe Ravi did an interview at Buddha at the Gas Pump where he talked about his enlightenment. http://batgap.com/ravi-chivukula/ It is worth pointing out that as far as I remember Ravi has since said on two different occasions that his entire interview was a put-on, and that he was taking advantage of Rick's naivete. I don't remember the exact messages in which he said this, and don't consider him worth my time to look it up, but I'm sure someone could if they wanted. Just providing this information to help you know who and what you're dealing with. Someone looked it up, found one instance, and sent it to me. It was from post #279237. When dealing with Ravi, consider the source, MZ... This is hilarious Barry, you can't admit to finding this yourself :-) oh right since you don't read my posts and don't consider me worth your time - very mature, reporting me to the teacher, very very mature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Hey Ravi: Feels pretty good to me. Glad you've more or less dropped the charges. We're all on probation here on the earth. I want just to get to know enough reality so that this same reality informs me how to go through the death experience, because that's the big metaphysical kahuna. How much reality can I bear? That's the criterion I set for myself spiritually. India is inside of you. This makes you a good resource for me. So, fresh start, right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Dear maskedzebra, I would concur with what Steve said earlier - it was very hard to get any coherent picture from your posts and they were just all over the place - not something I would expect from someone who supposedly spent 10 years in UC - whatever that means. Your subsequent posts have clarified lot of things, though I don't agree with them it's good to have that POV. So please continue on your merry way - I apologize for causing you any distress and like Curtis says nothing is meant to be personal. May be I could have engaged you in some dialogue but that's just not my way, or may be given some time for all the wide array of your thoughts to unfold. Anyway, so I unconditionally retract all my statements :-) My responses below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: RESPONSE: First of all, Ravi, I wouldn't worry about Deniseof course I don't know her at all, but I don't think you could scare her. This egoist business, perhaps you could clarify 1. what you mean in the context of your experience of my posts 2. what specifically it is about me which warrants this characterization of myself. I don't parse individuals words but the tone of your posts, the denunciation of spiritual practices, states and Gurus. Clearly you spent lots of years with your Guru and so recommending your current state as a prescription to others doesn't make any sense. Looking back a few years my struggles, attachments look silly, even following a Guru looks silly. Looking back to last year even the enlightenment looks false, hence my statement that I was a liar and conned Rick. It looks silly that I did an interview :-). I go to my Guru just because of my love, there's no need for any acknowledgement anymore but I can't offer this as a prescription to others that the path is false or the Guru is false or that enlightenment doesn't exist. I hope THAT is not an egoistical responseAre you meaning solipsistic perhaps?and I assume you are aware of the distinction between egoist and egotist. I take you at your word: I am, consciously or otherwise, self-consciously obsessed with myself in the act of expressing myself. This is what you mean, right? I didn't mean you were obsessed with yourself rather obsessed with words. I wouldn't say I was fascinated with [my] intellect. I have a subjective personal side to my consciousness, and I emphasize the importance of this as against the impersonal side of my consciousness (which I contend is an illusion). We are just personal, and this is the bias (a correct one in my estimation) of the West. In India the bias goes the other way. Perhaps this might be at the bottom of your reaction to me? No problem I have no issues with focus on the personal or the impersonal sides. But who knows? maybe you've clinically nailed me. We'll see. I would love to be proven wrong in my assessment. Well, Ravi, that will be my goal. If I achieve it, would you be willing to retract your judgment of me as an egoist? (Actually the term you used was more hurtful than thisYEP: that would be IRONY there, Ravijust in case you didn't realize it.) It was meant to be hurtful and as stated above I retract it. I will work on the hating Hindus thing. I don't hate Hindus, actually. But I certainly was a bona fide Hindu for ten years when I was in Unity Consciousness. I saw the universe just the way the Gita describes itMaharishi too. For me your Beloved does not exist. Although for quite some time I saw Her everywhere. I WAS Her. Good enough, to say the beloved doesn't exist is false too. Thanks for the change of tone, Ravi. I hope this tolerance doesn't compromise your principles. Change of tone has resulted from your clarifications, I am neither intolerant, nor do I really have any principles to speak of.
[FairfieldLife] Bhojadeva on YS III 55, part 1
Here's YS III 55 and Bhojadeva's comment(ary?) on it in ITRANS 5.2: sattvapuruShayoH shuddhisAmye kaivalyam .. vibhUti 55.. vR^ittiH \-\-\- sattvapuruShAvuktalakShaNau ##(##2.6\, 2.18\, 2.20##)##. tayoH shuddhisAmye kaivalyam . sattvasya sarvakartR^itvAbhimAnanivR^ityA svakAraNAnupraveshaH shuddhiH . puruShasya shuddhirupacharitabhogAbhAva iti dvayoH samAnAyAM shuddhau puruShasya kaivalyamutpadyate . mokSho bhavatItyarthaH .. 55.. tadevamantaraN^gaM yogAN^gatrayamabhidhAya tasya cha saMyamasaMj~nAM kR^itvA saMyamasya viShayapradarshanArthaM pariNAmatrayamupapAdya saMyamabalotpadyamAnAH pUrvAntaparAntamadhyabhavAH siddhIrupadarshya samAdhyabhyAsopapattaye ##[## pA0 samAdhyAshvAsotpattaye ##]## bAhyA bhuvanaj~nAnAdirUpA AbhyantarAshcha kAyavyUhaj~nAnAdirUpAH pradarshya samAdhyupayogAyendriyaprANajayAdipUrvikAH paramapuruShArthasiddhaye yathAkramamavasthAsahitabhUtajayendriyasattvajayodbhavAshcha vyAkhyAya vivekaj~nAnopapattaye tAMstAnupAyAnupanyasya tArakasya sarvasamAdhyavasthAparyantabhavasya svarUpamabhidhAya tatsamApatteH kR^itAdhikArasya chittasattvasya svakAraNAnupraveshAt kaivalyamutpadyata ityabhihitamiti nirNIto vibhUtipAdastR^itIyaH
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:51 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [...] One is technically a fabrication, the other is purely spontaneous. That's actually a HUGE difference, no? And in my experience, and most others I have talked to, one doesn't attain even the flavor of a sutra through effort. To clarify, siddhis attainment is spontaneous, even during sutra practice. No - all siddhi practice require some effort. Otherwise there would never be siddhi. In fact, I'd say you could make a case that they are more spontaneous than if you decided to perform one outside sutra practice. That's still a fabricated-spontaneity. Fabricated spontaneity is still fabricated. So setting oneself up to hop around is fabricated and therefore not spontaneous. OK. fine lines there, you must admit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Well, then, I'd better pick it up. I always emphasize the entertainment side of things, so if I've bored you, well, that's disappointing, as I was (until I read this post of yours) sure I was writing about things that were of interest to the readers of this blog. Evidently not in your case. Give me the formula so I can make sure I hold your attentionfrom beginning to end. I guess one always wonders: how objective is criticism of oneself? And the measure I always use (this is a most subtle point) is how much of a first person perspective is leaking into what someone is saying (as if, from a third person perspective), such that their judgment reveals at least as much about them as about the object of their adjudication? I mean, Steve, should I restrict myself to just the content that arrests you (e.g. the Ravi Guru stuff), or should I take another crack at turning you on with the metaphysical autobiographical matters? I haven't felt a moment of boredom in my life so farit would be ironic indeed if I became tedious here. Thanks. I'll get better; don't worry. I'll keep you in mind the next time I post something, as in: Do you think, MZ, this is making it for Steve? Thanks for your comments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I will say that IMHO the only interesting stuff you've posted here has come in response to Ravi the Guru. Otherwise, what I was seeing was a lot of droning on about who knows what. And after the first 2 or 3 paragraphs, I lost interest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the information. I will, as you say, keep my own counsel in these matters. Meantime I always use the formula of maximum sincerity simultaneous with (contingent) maximum irony. In a postmodern universe you have to have the one (which is probably there just by grace) while learning to deploy the latter. This, plus being able (at any moment) to make a stronger argument against oneself than your opponent can make. Then, knowing your free will is part of the mechanical providence of the universe, you're set! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Whoa. Now you got me thinking I should have JUST NOT SAID ANYTHING AT ALL. I mean in reply to Ravi Yogi. Still, bless himI think his love for his guru (Amma) seems genuine. I think so too. But the threat to my self-prestige (my necessary egoism) seems to have come to nothing after reading this. Did it ever come to anything, in your mind? It looked to me like duelling smackdowns. You came on pretty strong in your second post here, and Ravi came on pretty strong in response. Vaj and Barry (Turq) are engaging in the time-honored FFL practice of piling on because they feel intimidated by Ravi, as they do about anyone here who seems to be claiming some degree of enlightenment (they'll deny this, of course). They hope they can sucker you into joining the dump-on-Ravi faction. But I get the sense you're in the process of making up your own mind. Those Indian gods, they play their music on the instruments of human beings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I believe Ravi did an interview at Buddha at the Gas Pump where he talked about his enlightenment. http://batgap.com/ravi-chivukula/ It is worth pointing out that as far as I remember Ravi has since said on two different occasions that his entire interview was a put-on, and that he was taking advantage of Rick's naivete. I don't remember the exact messages in which he said this, and don't consider him worth my time to look it up, but I'm sure someone could if they wanted. Just providing this information to help you know who and what you're dealing with. Someone looked it up, found one instance, and sent it to me. It was from post #279237. When dealing with Ravi, consider the source, MZ... Me: To date, like MMY, Jim has NOT demonstrated anything to back up his claims that he (and other claimants to the throne of enlightenmentitudeness) is special. He seems to me to be the most ordinary of human beings, someone who at one point in his life grew tired of being a nobody and figured out that if he just made a bunch of claims to gullible people, a certain percentage of them would treat him as special, just because he claimed to be. Same with Ravi. He, too was an absolute nobody until he suckered Rick in with some parroted spiritual
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Hey Ravi: Feels pretty good to me. Glad you've more or less dropped the charges. We're all on probation here on the earth. I want just to get to know enough reality so that this same reality informs me how to go through the death experience, because that's the big metaphysical kahuna. How much reality can I bear? That's the criterion I set for myself spiritually. India is inside of you. This makes you a good resource for me. So, fresh start, right? Sounds good, thank you :-). P.S - I have thought about the death experience and how to approach it. Through the grace of my Guru or the existence I had a few conscious death like experiences so that really helps. I think death like birth is one of the greatest experiences, the best preparation would be to just be in the present, letting the reality unfold, meeting it fluidly in its pristine virginity should take care of it since death also would happen in the present.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:36 PM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: No, Lawson, I very much did need to validate it for myself. But you see, Unity Consciousness validates itselfI wrote 11 books about this: either about Unity Consciousness directly, or about world events as seen through the perspective of my enlightenment. (All these books, what remained of them, after I disavowed the reality of enlightenment, were destroyed. But some of them are floating around.) Regarding world events, if you want to get a dose of what enlightenment can do for you, see my description of meeting Ayatollah Khomeini. Would your meeting with Keith Jarrett be an equal dose of blessed-tragic unity? Didn't he tell you to fuck off or something similar? He read your book and then you laid some sort of trip on him backstage -- he bailed? Is that just carpet burn from going against the grain of the cosmos? Ouch! What about Werner Erhard? RESPONSE: Keith Jarret reacted strongly, vehemently to the artificial silence emanating from the people I was with (after his performance): they unfortunately deferred way too much to me and to KJ. He apparently felt this was stupid, and said so. Although he had previously invited me up to his room at his hotel because of his experience of reading one of my books. In retrospect I thought his response providential and appropriate: had he not had this negative experience, he would have (based upon our previous private conversation in his hotel room), been drawn into the context of a cult. So, as fate would have it, he was spared this complication. Best album: Koln Concert (1975). Werner Erhard? That was intense, even violent. I stood up to ask him a question when he was giving a lecture to an inside group (I had been given secretly an invitation by some subversive within his organizationat that point called est), and he physically attacked me. Werner is used to imposing his authority; I found what he was saying untrue, and within my enlightened integrity I was going to challenge him. He sensed this, and made sure he and his henchmen kept me from speaking. Of course this is MY version of the event. You might want to hear the POV of those loyal to WE. I think everything to do with Werner extremely problematic, and the effect on the mind of his seminars (now called Landmark Education) mystically inhibiting and even dissociative. He has it all wrong, even though his trainers (those who conduct the Landmark Education seminars) are deceptively clear, strong, and confident personalities. But they too are victims of his metaphysical system, which, when analyzed carefully is the biggest reality rip-off that I have known. See? I have my prejudices, but in the case of Werner, I think that prejudice well-founded. People are subtly brainwashed at Landmark Education: and I wonder whether any of them fully recover. Whatever my enlightenment turned out to be, it was enough for me to know that I could place Werner inside a context where his teaching could be exposed as contradictory to reality. He is a formidable character to confront. But in a very different way from Maharishi, I believe with all my heart he is terribly mistaken in his idea and experience of what reality is. And my experiences of talking with anyone who has taken the est or Landmark training is that he or she is dislocated from the person they really are. It's pretty deep, the matter of WE. You have to get experimental knowledge see through what he and Landmark Education is all about. I get the feeling you fell for the placebo and are still trying to convince everyone else it's still pure Pfizer. But then that's always been the dilemma of the awakened TM teacher or die-hard TM lover: can they stop projecting some scripts from the TM screenplay onto their own (supposedly autonomously Self-produced) enlightenment? Don't think I entirely understand what you are saying here, Vaj. Perhaps you could pose the question a different way. Oh, by the way: my enlightenment, it was REAL.
[FairfieldLife] Is compulsive arguing a form of fear of abandonment?
Curtis has made some pointed comments lately about the tendency of some posters to want to drag an argument or debate out forever. Not content with merely getting in the last word, they have to use that last word to try to taunt the other person into continuing the argument. It's as if for them reaching the We agree to disagree point in an argument is never enough; the only thing that is enough for them is *continuing* the argument. Many have commented on this behavior, since it is prev- alent on this forum. Many theories have been proposed for why the people who do this do it. For example, that some people are attention vampires, feeding off of the continued focus of the person they're arguing with, and afraid that the cheap high they get from being focused on will go away if the other person is allowed to move on and stop interacting with them. Or that some are just addicted to the argumentation process *itself*; they don't really feel alive unless they're interacting with another person in a form of battle, arguing with them about something. Without the battle, they're like mercenaries without a war, antsy and desperate for the next one. I suggest another motivation. Given that some of the folks who do this -- attempt to keep people from ever leaving arguments or discussions with them once they have begun -- tend to get angry and hold long-term grudges against those who *do* manage to extricate themselves from the arguments, is this whole behavior just another form of fear of abandonment? Certainly in the world of relationships we see this. Shrewish wives or abusive husbands perpetuate the same old same old arguments *so that they'll continue*, and the other person doesn't just leave them entirely. I suspect the same thing is going on with those who do essentially the same thing on the Internet. They're afraid of being *dumped*, and so they do whatever they think will keep the other person on the line and still interacting with them. Seems a pity to me. And a form of attachment, in spades. So much easier to let a discussion go when it's run its course, and to let the other person go when they are no longer interested in you.
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle: Westwoods, Nr Lockeridge, Wiltshire. Reported 21st June.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
You will understand the context within which I use the word women to be metaphorical. As in Maharishi was the greatest Lover (spiritually), so I react to all women (spiritual teachers who would seduce one with the doctrine of enlightenment). I insert this for readers who might have taken me literally: that my experiences with MMY somehow led me to a form of hopeless misogyny. Not true: as my love for Gaga proves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Blue Caboose bluecaboose@... Date: June 21, 2011 7:51:15 PM EDT To: Blue Caboose bluecaboose@... Subject: FFL:CDBJune 21,2011 p a Saint - Lose Your Badge FWIW Masked Zebra Ravi seems to be a decent guy underneath his persona. But he doesn't seem to want to share that level of himself here too much. I wouldn't take all the bizzaro putdown pimp whore talk personally. It is more formulaic than focused on what you really write here. You wont get a back and forth from him on any topic but if he decides to take something more seriously for a minute he can be very entertaining. As he says he is drunk on the divine and that is probably the best way to deal with him. (If by divine he means jello shots) He can be a cheery contributor to the madness here and he certainly grew on me. (till I got some wart-a-way) I hope you continue to post and find your groove here once you have us all sorted out. I believe your contribution here is highly unique and I for one have been digging your posts. As I get to know more about your perspective I hope I can lob some questions your way that you might find interesting enough to consider. I only knew OF you when I was at MIU in the late 70's, so it is nice to hear from the man behind the mask. (or zebra if you prefer) Oh and if it wouldn't be too much trouble, do you think you could sprinkle in a few paragraph breaks now and then? I hate to have to fight the format to get to what you are saying. I hope you feel welcome brother. RESPONSE: Thanks for the welcome, CDB. Your posts probably were what got me to accept RA's invitation to contribute here. Powerful intellect and big heartor so this is how it seems to me in reading what you write on this blog. I especially appreciate your introducing me to the context here. Thoughtful, hilarious, and apposite. I feel after reading this I have my bearings. By all means, lob your questions my way. I will enjoy the opportunity to write into that mind of yours. And I will adjust my paragraphing. If you will permit me to say so, I especially enjoy the strength of your convictionsI don't sense (so far anyway) the sublimation of your real personality into the metaphysic of the East. Something that is anathema to me (as you can understand). I had this super romance spiritually (MMY), and now I tend to react negatively. to all women. And I think Lady Gaga wiser than Amma. Yeah, it's going to be good, CDBor at the very least interesting. You pack the right kind of wallop in my opinion. So, let her rip. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: You know, Ravi Yogi, Rick Archer invited me to post on this blog. When I looked over the blog, it seemed pretty dangerousthat is, as I said to RA, I might get eaten alive by the sacred monsters on this blog. Perhaps for my own good, I don't know. But I was somewhat apprehensive about posting here because it seemed from my first impression that I might really be in for it. But I posted several times; no problem. Then, this morning, I discover YOUR POSTS. What I lack (I am sincere here, believe me) is some context within which to understand your dismissal of me in the terms you have used: Prodigal Pimp. Who knows? maybe it fits perfectly, but it's just I haven't come across this characterization of myself. Perhaps, after being eviscerated on this blog by Ravi Yogi I will beat a hasty retreat. It depends on whether you can substantiate this judgment of me (PP) or not. Meantime I will (you will understand this) have to resort to the most disguised as well as the most blatant irony in order to protect my reputation in my own eyes. After all, it's not what other people choose to think about you, it's what you think about yourself. I just want to defend myself to the utmost (on behalf of myself) so as to put off as long as possible the possible impact of this indictment. The indictment implied in your unflattering estimation of me. Should I take this personally, Ravi Yogi? Or should I just play along with you, seeing whether you really will knock me off of this blog? Could it beI am just speculating herethat you, as a born Hindu, assume as a given an assumption
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle; Poirino, Italy, reported 20th June
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhojadeva on YS III 55, part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Here's YS III 55 and Bhojadeva's comment(ary?) on it in ITRANS 5.2: sattvapuruShayoH shuddhisAmye kaivalyam .. vibhUti 55.. vR^ittiH \-\-\- sattvapuruShAvuktalakShaNau ##(##2.6\, 2.18\, 2.20##)##. tayoH shuddhisAmye kaivalyam . sattvasya sarvakartR^itvAbhimAnanivR^ityA svakAraNAnupraveshaH shuddhiH . puruShasya shuddhirupacharitabhogAbhAva iti dvayoH samAnAyAM shuddhau puruShasya kaivalyamutpadyate . mokSho bhavatItyarthaH .. 55.. tadevamantaraN^gaM yogAN^gatrayamabhidhAya tasya cha saMyamasaMj~nAM kR^itvA saMyamasya viShayapradarshanArthaM pariNAmatrayamupapAdya saMyamabalotpadyamAnAH pUrvAntaparAntamadhyabhavAH siddhIrupadarshya samAdhyabhyAsopapattaye ##[## pA0 samAdhyAshvAsotpattaye ##]## bAhyA bhuvanaj~nAnAdirUpA AbhyantarAshcha kAyavyUhaj~nAnAdirUpAH pradarshya samAdhyupayogAyendriyaprANajayAdipUrvikAH paramapuruShArthasiddhaye yathAkramamavasthAsahitabhUtajayendriyasattvajayodbhavAshcha vyAkhyAya vivekaj~nAnopapattaye tAMstAnupAyAnupanyasya tArakasya sarvasamAdhyavasthAparyantabhavasya svarUpamabhidhAya tatsamApatteH kR^itAdhikArasya chittasattvasya svakAraNAnupraveshAt kaivalyamutpadyata ityabhihitamiti nirNIto vibhUtipAdastR^itIyaH Just for fun, let's try to come up with a pada-paaTha (samaasa-s analyzed) of the above (changing the transliteration to more HK-ish): sattva-puruShayoH shuddhi-saamye kaivalyam .. vibhuuti 55.. vR^ittiH \-\-\- sattvapuruSau; ukta-lakShaNau ##(##2.6\, 2.18\, 2.20##)##. tayoH shuddhi-saamye kaivalyam . sattvasya sarva-kartRtva-abhimaana-nivRtyaa svakaaraNa-anupraveshaH shuddhiH . puruSasya shuddhiH; upacarita-bhoga-abhaava iti dvayoH samaanaayaaM shuddhau puruShasya kaivalyam utpadyate . mokShaH; bhavati iti; arthaH .. 55.. tat; evam antaraN^gam; yoga-aN^ga-trayam-abhidhaaya tasya ca saMyama-saMjñaam; kRtvaa saMyamasya viShaya-pradarshana-artham;pariNaama-trayam upapaadya saMyama-bala+utpadyamaanaaH puurvaanta-paraanta-madhya-bhavaaH siddhIH; upadarshya samaadhi+abhyaasa+upapattaye ##[## pA0 samaadhi+aashvaasa+utpattaye ##]## baahyaa bhuvanajñaana+aadi-ruupaaH; abhyantaraaH; ca kaaya-vyuuhajñaana+aadi-ruupaaH pradarshya samaadhi+upayogaaya+indriya-praaNa-jaya-aadi-puurvikaaH parama-puruSa-artha-siddhaye yathaa-kramam avasthaa-sahita-bhuuta-jaya+indriya-sattva-jaya-udbhavaaH; ca vyaakhyaaya vivekajñaana+upapattaye taaMs taan upaayaan upanyasya taarakasya sarva-samaadhi+avasthaa-paryanta-bhavasya svaruupam abhidhAya tatsamaapatteH kRta-adhikaarasya citta-sattvasya svakaaraNa-anupraveshaat kaivalyam utpadyate+iti+abhihitam iti nirNiitaH vibhuuti-paadaH; tRtiiyaH Sorry, if there are some mistakes above... :/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhojadeva on YS III 55, part 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Just for fun, let's try to come up with a pada-paaTha (samaasa-s analyzed) of the above (changing the transliteration to more HK-ish): sattva-puruShayoH shuddhi-saamye kaivalyam .. vibhuuti 55.. vR^ittiH \-\-\- sattvapuruSau; ukta-lakShaNau ##(##2.6\, 2.18\, 2.20##)##. tayoH shuddhi-saamye kaivalyam . sattvasya sarva-kartRtva-abhimaana-nivRtyaa svakaaraNa-anupraveshaH shuddhiH . puruSasya shuddhiH; upacarita-bhoga-abhaava iti dvayoH samaanaayaaM shuddhau puruShasya kaivalyam utpadyate . mokShaH; bhavati iti; arthaH .. 55.. tat; evam antaraN^gam; yoga-aN^ga-trayam-abhidhaaya tasya ca saMyama-saMjñaam; kRtvaa saMyamasya viShaya-pradarshana-artham;pariNaama-trayam upapaadya saMyama-bala+utpadyamaanaaH puurvaanta-paraanta-madhya-bhavaaH siddhIH; upadarshya samaadhi+abhyaasa+upapattaye ##[## pA0 samaadhi+aashvaasa+utpattaye ##]## baahyaa bhuvanajñaana+aadi-ruupaaH; abhyantaraaH; ca kaaya-vyuuhajñaana+aadi-ruupaaH pradarshya samaadhi+upayogaaya+indriya-praaNa-jaya-aadi-puurvikaaH parama-puruSa-artha-siddhaye yathaa-kramam avasthaa-sahita-bhuuta-jaya+indriya-sattva-jaya-udbhavaaH; ca vyaakhyaaya vivekajñaana+upapattaye taaMs taan upaayaan upanyasya taarakasya sarva-samaadhi+avasthaa-paryanta-bhavasya svaruupam abhidhAya tatsamaapatteH kRta-adhikaarasya citta-sattvasya svakaaraNa-anupraveshaat kaivalyam utpadyate+iti+abhihitam iti nirNiitaH vibhuuti-paadaH; tRtiiyaH Sorry, if there are some mistakes above... :/ I might be utterly wrong, but my general impression without consulting a dictionary is that Bhoja emphasizes the importance of practicing all or most of the siddhis and then rejecting them when they have done their job. One could come up with any number of analogies. One might be the need of a metronome when practicing to play, say, the piano, and then rejecting it when one no longer needs it...
[FairfieldLife] Transcendental Meditation:Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
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[FairfieldLife] Hope Without Magical Thinking
Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of you and make everything turn out right. Do less and accomplish more, which in those early talks clearly meant Meditate and recharge your energy and your creativity and then go out and USE it by working more efficiently for the things you want turned into Just meditate and everything will be taken care of. Prag- matic thinking gave way to magical thinking. And look what the outcome of this reliance on magical thinking has produced. People who can no longer imagine solutions to the problems of hunger and war and violence that come from humans using their own intelligence and working towards pragmatic solutions. Instead, the only source that they can imagine a solution to these prob- lems coming from is magic, in the form of some Woo Woo Rays emanating from the thuds of their butts on foam, or from other, even more magical Woo Woo Rays emanating from some teacher or guru or avatar. Call me crazy but I miss the message of that first Maharishi talk. I am hopeful that the problems of this planet, both individual and worldwide, can in fact be resolved. But I don't believe that they can only be resolved by some magical force outside ourselves, or by Woo Woo Rays. I think that these problems can only be resolved by the pragmatic, creative ideas of indi- vidual human beings, creative ideas that are possibly enhanced by meditation and other practices, but *our* ideas, not those of some avatar or guru or spiritual teacher or other source of magical Woo Woo. That, after all, was the message of the first talk I ever heard Maharishi give. It's just too bad that he either was lying about what he said, or didn't believe it thoroughly enough to follow through on it in his own teachings, and with his own students. If he had, the world might have been a much better place, and they would certainly have been much stronger human beings. Instead, just as he said in that first talk, he wound up making them weaker.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation:Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
A narrow point there of Phil is, beware the secularization of meditation? The modern consequent along with the history of meditation in the west coming from the East is 'beware the corrupted' who come along from the East. The secularization just might be what it takes to freeing the teaching of transcendence more widely. Sort of like the Centering Prayer people have done or other teachers now like Eckhart Tolle and such. Phil is missing the larger trend with his cautionary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: HUFFINGTON POST: Transcendental Meditation: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Goldberg Posted: 06/21/11 08:10 AM ET http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?view=print React Amazing http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Inspiring http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Funny http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Scary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Hot http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Crazy http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Important http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Weird http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/transcendental-meditation\ _b_880098.html?ref=fbsrc=sp# Follow http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/transcendental-meditation Transcendental Meditation http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/transcendental-meditation , http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mindfulness Mindfulness http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mindfulness , Healthy Living Health News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/healthy-living-health-news , TM Research http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/tm-research , Healthy Living Spirit http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/healthy-living-spirit , Tm http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/tm , Transcendental Meditation Research http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/transcendental-meditation-research , Healthy Living News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/healthy-living share this story 99 56 9 26 Get Healthy Living Alerts Sign Up Submit this story digg reddit http://reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fphil\ ip-goldberg%2Ftranscendental-meditation_b_880098.htmltitle=philip-goldb\ erg: Transcendental+Meditation%3A+Topping+The+Bestseller+List+Since+1975 stumble http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.c\ om%2Fphilip-goldberg%2Ftranscendental-meditation_b_880098.htmltitle=phi\ lip-goldberg: Transcendental+Meditation%3A+Topping+The+Bestseller+List+Since+1975 When I saw that a book about Transcendental Meditation http://www.tm.org/ (TM), written by a scientist, had landed on the New York Times bestseller list, my reaction was to quote the great Yogi of Berra: It's déjà vu all over again. In 1975, TM: Discovering Inner Energy and Overcoming Stress was propelled onto the list when its lead author, psychiatrist Harold Bloomfield http://www.haroldbloomfield.com/ , appeared on Merv Griffin's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv_Griffin syndicated TV talk show (the Oprah of its day) with TM founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.maharishi.org/ . The book remained a bestseller for six months, and then had a solid run on the paperback list. During that period, Merv devoted a second show to Maharishi, and TM centers could barely keep up with the demand. By the end of 1976, over a million Americans had learned to meditate. This was the culmination of a remarkable eight-year run that began when the Beatles famously learned TM and sojourned at Maharishi's ashram http://www.thebeatlesinindia.com/ in India. Between that watershed moment and the two Merv programs, meditation moved from the counterculture to the mainstream, from weird to respectable, from youthful mind expansion to middle-age stress remedy. Now, the celebrity meditators were not rock stars but Clint Eastwood and Mary Tyler Moore, and you could not get more mainstream than the nation's big screen hero and its TV sweetheart. The route from esoteric mystical discipline to respectable relaxation technique was paved by science. It started in the late '60s when a young meditator named Robert Keith Wallace was persuaded by his guru, Maharishi, to study the physiology of TM. The research became his Ph.D. dissertation, and then a Science magazine article in 1970. Wallace's follow-up study, conducted with Harvard cardiologist Herbert Benson, was published in 1971 in The American Journal of Physiology and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Someone looked it up, found one instance, and sent it to me. It was from post #279237. When dealing with Ravi, consider the source, MZ... This is hilarious Barry, you can't admit to finding this yourself :-) oh right since you don't read my posts and don't consider me worth your time - very mature, reporting me to the teacher, very very mature. Ah, this is a good FFL period.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Hey Ravi: Feels pretty good to me. Glad you've more or less dropped the charges. We're all on probation here on the earth. I want just to get to know enough reality so that this same reality informs me how to go through the death experience, because that's the big metaphysical kahuna. How much reality can I bear? That's the criterion I set for myself spiritually. India is inside of you. This makes you a good resource for me. So, fresh start, right? A good FFL period. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Dear maskedzebra, I would concur with what Steve said earlier - it was very hard to get any coherent picture from your posts and they were just all over the place - not something I would expect from someone who supposedly spent 10 years in UC - whatever that means. Your subsequent posts have clarified lot of things, though I don't agree with them it's good to have that POV. So please continue on your merry way - I apologize for causing you any distress and like Curtis says nothing is meant to be personal. May be I could have engaged you in some dialogue but that's just not my way, or may be given some time for all the wide array of your thoughts to unfold. Anyway, so I unconditionally retract all my statements :-) My responses below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: RESPONSE: First of all, Ravi, I wouldn't worry about Deniseof course I don't know her at all, but I don't think you could scare her. This egoist business, perhaps you could clarify 1. what you mean in the context of your experience of my posts 2. what specifically it is about me which warrants this characterization of myself. I don't parse individuals words but the tone of your posts, the denunciation of spiritual practices, states and Gurus. Clearly you spent lots of years with your Guru and so recommending your current state as a prescription to others doesn't make any sense. Looking back a few years my struggles, attachments look silly, even following a Guru looks silly. Looking back to last year even the enlightenment looks false, hence my statement that I was a liar and conned Rick. It looks silly that I did an interview :-). I go to my Guru just because of my love, there's no need for any acknowledgement anymore but I can't offer this as a prescription to others that the path is false or the Guru is false or that enlightenment doesn't exist. I hope THAT is not an egoistical responseAre you meaning solipsistic perhaps?and I assume you are aware of the distinction between egoist and egotist. I take you at your word: I am, consciously or otherwise, self-consciously obsessed with myself in the act of expressing myself. This is what you mean, right? I didn't mean you were obsessed with yourself rather obsessed with words. I wouldn't say I was fascinated with [my] intellect. I have a subjective personal side to my consciousness, and I emphasize the importance of this as against the impersonal side of my consciousness (which I contend is an illusion). We are just personal, and this is the bias (a correct one in my estimation) of the West. In India the bias goes the other way. Perhaps this might be at the bottom of your reaction to me? No problem I have no issues with focus on the personal or the impersonal sides. But who knows? maybe you've clinically nailed me. We'll see. I would love to be proven wrong in my assessment. Well, Ravi, that will be my goal. If I achieve it, would you be willing to retract your judgment of me as an egoist? (Actually the term you used was more hurtful than thisYEP: that would be IRONY there, Ravijust in case you didn't realize it.) It was meant to be hurtful and as stated above I retract it. I will work on the hating Hindus thing. I don't hate Hindus, actually. But I certainly was a bona fide Hindu for ten years when I was in Unity Consciousness. I saw the universe just the way the Gita describes itMaharishi too. For me your Beloved does not exist. Although for quite some time I saw Her everywhere. I WAS Her. Good enough, to say the beloved doesn't exist is false too. Thanks for the change of tone, Ravi. I hope this tolerance doesn't compromise your principles. Change of tone has resulted from your clarifications, I am neither intolerant, nor do I really have any principles to speak of.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Well, then, I'd better pick it up. I always emphasize the entertainment side of things, so if I've bored you, well, that's disappointing, as I was (until I read this post of yours) sure I was writing about things that were of interest to the readers of this blog. Evidently not in your case. Give me the formula so I can make sure I hold your attentionfrom beginning to end. I guess one always wonders: how objective is criticism of oneself? And the measure I always use (this is a most subtle point) is how much of a first person perspective is leaking into what someone is saying (as if, from a third person perspective), such that their judgment reveals at least as much about them as about the object of their adjudication? I mean, Steve, should I restrict myself to just the content that arrests you (e.g. the Ravi Guru stuff), or should I take another crack at turning you on with the metaphysical autobiographical matters? I haven't felt a moment of boredom in my life so farit would be ironic indeed if I became tedious here. Thanks. I'll get better; don't worry. I'll keep you in mind the next time I post something, as in: Do you think, MZ, this is making it for Steve? Thanks for your comments. Hey, I'll settle for Curtis's suggestion to just break up the big blocks. But really, glad to have you aboard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I will say that IMHO the only interesting stuff you've posted here has come in response to Ravi the Guru. Otherwise, what I was seeing was a lot of droning on about who knows what. And after the first 2 or 3 paragraphs, I lost interest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the information. I will, as you say, keep my own counsel in these matters. Meantime I always use the formula of maximum sincerity simultaneous with (contingent) maximum irony. In a postmodern universe you have to have the one (which is probably there just by grace) while learning to deploy the latter. This, plus being able (at any moment) to make a stronger argument against oneself than your opponent can make. Then, knowing your free will is part of the mechanical providence of the universe, you're set! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Whoa. Now you got me thinking I should have JUST NOT SAID ANYTHING AT ALL. I mean in reply to Ravi Yogi. Still, bless himI think his love for his guru (Amma) seems genuine. I think so too. But the threat to my self-prestige (my necessary egoism) seems to have come to nothing after reading this. Did it ever come to anything, in your mind? It looked to me like duelling smackdowns. You came on pretty strong in your second post here, and Ravi came on pretty strong in response. Vaj and Barry (Turq) are engaging in the time-honored FFL practice of piling on because they feel intimidated by Ravi, as they do about anyone here who seems to be claiming some degree of enlightenment (they'll deny this, of course). They hope they can sucker you into joining the dump-on-Ravi faction. But I get the sense you're in the process of making up your own mind. Those Indian gods, they play their music on the instruments of human beings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I believe Ravi did an interview at Buddha at the Gas Pump where he talked about his enlightenment. http://batgap.com/ravi-chivukula/ It is worth pointing out that as far as I remember Ravi has since said on two different occasions that his entire interview was a put-on, and that he was taking advantage of Rick's naivete. I don't remember the exact messages in which he said this, and don't consider him worth my time to look it up, but I'm sure someone could if they wanted. Just providing this information to help you know who and what you're dealing with. Someone looked it up, found one instance, and sent it to me. It was from post #279237. When dealing with Ravi, consider the source, MZ... Me: To date, like MMY, Jim has NOT demonstrated anything to back up his claims that he (and other claimants to the throne of enlightenmentitudeness) is special. He seems to me to be the most ordinary of human beings, someone who at one point in his life grew tired of being a nobody and figured out that if he just
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of you and make everything turn out right. Do less and accomplish more, which in those early talks clearly meant Meditate and recharge your energy and your creativity and then go out and USE it by working more efficiently for the things you want turned into Just meditate and everything will be taken care of. Prag- matic thinking gave way to magical thinking. And look what the outcome of this reliance on magical thinking has produced. People who can no longer imagine solutions to the problems of hunger and war and violence that come from humans using their own intelligence and working towards pragmatic solutions. Instead, the only source that they can imagine a solution to these prob- lems coming from is magic, in the form of some Woo Woo Rays emanating from the thuds of their butts on foam, or from other, even more magical Woo Woo Rays emanating from some teacher or guru or avatar. Call me crazy but I miss the message of that first Maharishi talk. I am hopeful that the problems of this planet, both individual and worldwide, can in fact be resolved. But I don't believe that they can only be resolved by some magical force outside ourselves, or by Woo Woo Rays. I think that these problems can only be resolved by the pragmatic, creative ideas of indi- vidual human beings, creative ideas that are possibly enhanced by meditation and other practices, but *our* ideas, not those of some avatar or guru or spiritual teacher or other source of magical Woo Woo. That, after all, was the message of the first talk I ever heard Maharishi give. It's just too bad that he either was lying about what he said, or didn't believe it thoroughly enough to follow through on it in his own teachings, and with his own students. If he had, the world might have been a much better place, and they would certainly have been much stronger human beings. Instead, just as he said in that first talk, he wound up making them weaker.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation:Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
A few facts to balance the hyperbole: * As far as I can tell, the book being touted is *not* on the New York Times Bestseller List, at least not in the Top 35 listed on its hardback non-fiction page, or in the Top 30 listed on its paperback Non-Fiction page. * It also fails to appear on Amazon's page listing the The New York Times Bestsellers, either for hardback or paperback non-fiction. * It appears to be ranked at #662 on Amazon, which is admirable, but hardly a best seller. (More interesting, the author of this blog's book, so conveniently touted at the bottom of this article to hype sales of it, is #11,876.) * Harold Bloomfield, one-time TMO poster boy and author of the first book Phil Goldberg waxes so nostalgic about, was later arrested for drugging his female patients and taking sexual liberties with them. He plead guilty to two felony counts in the matter and had his license to practice medicine suspended (at least for a while...I can find no information about whether it was ever reinstated). So much for the benefits of meditation. We now return you to your normally-scheduled reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: HUFFINGTON POST: Transcendental Meditation: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Goldberg Posted: 06/21/11 08:10 AM ET When I saw that a book about Transcendental Meditation http://www.tm.org/ (TM), written by a scientist, had landed on the New York Times bestseller list, my reaction was to quote the great Yogi of Berra: It's déjà vu all over again. In 1975, TM: Discovering Inner Energy and Overcoming Stress was propelled onto the list when its lead author, psychiatrist Harold Bloomfield http://www.haroldbloomfield.com/ , appeared on Merv Griffin's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv_Griffin syndicated TV talk show (the Oprah of its day) with TM founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.maharishi.org/ . The book remained a bestseller for six months, and then had a solid run on the paperback list. During that period, Merv devoted a second show to Maharishi, and TM centers could barely keep up with the demand. By the end of 1976, over a million Americans had learned to meditate. This was the culmination of a remarkable eight-year run that began when the Beatles famously learned TM and sojourned at Maharishi's ashram http://www.thebeatlesinindia.com/ in India. Between that watershed moment and the two Merv programs, meditation moved from the counterculture to the mainstream, from weird to respectable, from youthful mind expansion to middle-age stress remedy. Now, the celebrity meditators were not rock stars but Clint Eastwood and Mary Tyler Moore, and you could not get more mainstream than the nation's big screen hero and its TV sweetheart. The route from esoteric mystical discipline to respectable relaxation technique was paved by science. It started in the late '60s when a young meditator named Robert Keith Wallace was persuaded by his guru, Maharishi, to study the physiology of TM. The research became his Ph.D. dissertation, and then a Science magazine article in 1970. Wallace's follow-up study, conducted with Harvard cardiologist Herbert Benson, was published in 1971 in The American Journal of Physiology and Scientific American. The data sparked an avalanche of research. By 1975, a substantial body of evidence had demonstrated the efficacy of meditation on various measures of physical and mental health. Now comes another psychiatrist, Norman E. Rosenthal http://www.webmd.com/norman-e-rosenthal , with Transcendence: Healing and Transformation through Transcendental Meditation http://www.amazon.com/Transcendence-Healing-Transformation-Through-Medi\ \ tation/dp/1585428736%3FSubscriptionId%3D1E2MCMDX6VVV67W7T882%26tag%3Dabs\ \ -bookdetailsapi-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26\ \ creativeASIN%3D1585428736 . Once again, celebrity endorsements add pizzazz, in this case Mehmet Oz, David Lynch, Martin Scorcese and Russell Simmons, with cameo appearances by the gray eminences, Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney. And once again science confers credibility. Whereas Bloomfield was fresh out of his Yale residency when Merv Griffin showcased his book, Rosenthal has 30 years of distinguished clinical research and more than 200 scholarly articles under his belt. And by now TM has been the subject of over 300 peer-reviewed articles. The book describes the most recent findings, many of them involving common maladies such as ADHD, PTSD and hypertension, but not limited to medical conditions. That meditation is good for you is no longer an eye-opening news flash. But the new book's bestsellerdom suggests that a new generation wants to hear the message. In this era of soaring anxiety, depression and health costs, perhaps the only people who don't think that's a good thing are the makers of pharmaceuticals. As someone who has chronicled the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation:Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
Whether it's on the best-seller list is not really the point. It's a formidable book by someone whose credentials are beyond dispute. How embarrassing for the anti-TM faction on this board, who insist ad nauseam that the TM movement is almost dead, the research is worthless, etc, etc, etc. Time to eat humble pie, gentlemen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: A few facts to balance the hyperbole: * As far as I can tell, the book being touted is *not* on the New York Times Bestseller List, at least not in the Top 35 listed on its hardback non-fiction page, or in the Top 30 listed on its paperback Non-Fiction page. * It also fails to appear on Amazon's page listing the The New York Times Bestsellers, either for hardback or paperback non-fiction. * It appears to be ranked at #662 on Amazon, which is admirable, but hardly a best seller. (More interesting, the author of this blog's book, so conveniently touted at the bottom of this article to hype sales of it, is #11,876.) * Harold Bloomfield, one-time TMO poster boy and author of the first book Phil Goldberg waxes so nostalgic about, was later arrested for drugging his female patients and taking sexual liberties with them. He plead guilty to two felony counts in the matter and had his license to practice medicine suspended (at least for a while...I can find no information about whether it was ever reinstated). So much for the benefits of meditation. We now return you to your normally-scheduled reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: HUFFINGTON POST: Transcendental Meditation: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Goldberg Posted: 06/21/11 08:10 AM ET When I saw that a book about Transcendental Meditation http://www.tm.org/ (TM), written by a scientist, had landed on the New York Times bestseller list, my reaction was to quote the great Yogi of Berra: It's déjà vu all over again. In 1975, TM: Discovering Inner Energy and Overcoming Stress was propelled onto the list when its lead author, psychiatrist Harold Bloomfield http://www.haroldbloomfield.com/ , appeared on Merv Griffin's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv_Griffin syndicated TV talk show (the Oprah of its day) with TM founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.maharishi.org/ . The book remained a bestseller for six months, and then had a solid run on the paperback list. During that period, Merv devoted a second show to Maharishi, and TM centers could barely keep up with the demand. By the end of 1976, over a million Americans had learned to meditate. This was the culmination of a remarkable eight-year run that began when the Beatles famously learned TM and sojourned at Maharishi's ashram http://www.thebeatlesinindia.com/ in India. Between that watershed moment and the two Merv programs, meditation moved from the counterculture to the mainstream, from weird to respectable, from youthful mind expansion to middle-age stress remedy. Now, the celebrity meditators were not rock stars but Clint Eastwood and Mary Tyler Moore, and you could not get more mainstream than the nation's big screen hero and its TV sweetheart. The route from esoteric mystical discipline to respectable relaxation technique was paved by science. It started in the late '60s when a young meditator named Robert Keith Wallace was persuaded by his guru, Maharishi, to study the physiology of TM. The research became his Ph.D. dissertation, and then a Science magazine article in 1970. Wallace's follow-up study, conducted with Harvard cardiologist Herbert Benson, was published in 1971 in The American Journal of Physiology and Scientific American. The data sparked an avalanche of research. By 1975, a substantial body of evidence had demonstrated the efficacy of meditation on various measures of physical and mental health. Now comes another psychiatrist, Norman E. Rosenthal http://www.webmd.com/norman-e-rosenthal , with Transcendence: Healing and Transformation through Transcendental Meditation http://www.amazon.com/Transcendence-Healing-Transformation-Through-Medi\ \ tation/dp/1585428736%3FSubscriptionId%3D1E2MCMDX6VVV67W7T882%26tag%3Dabs\ \ -bookdetailsapi-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26\ \ creativeASIN%3D1585428736 . Once again, celebrity endorsements add pizzazz, in this case Mehmet Oz, David Lynch, Martin Scorcese and Russell Simmons, with cameo appearances by the gray eminences, Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney. And once again science confers credibility. Whereas Bloomfield was fresh out of his Yale residency when Merv Griffin showcased his book, Rosenthal has 30 years of distinguished clinical research and more than 200 scholarly articles under his belt. And by now TM has been the subject of over 300 peer-reviewed articles. The book describes the most
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[FairfieldLife] Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
What is it that these institutional Transcendental Meditation people feel that they need to lie to make their PR sound important. That's really bad form and they don't even need to do it. It reads more like bad-marketing in the form that comes back to haunt. It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Whether it's on the best-seller list is not really the point. It's a formidable book by someone whose credentials are beyond dispute. How embarrassing for the anti-TM faction on this board, who insist ad nauseam that the TM movement is almost dead, the research is worthless, etc, etc, etc. Time to eat humble pie, gentlemen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: A few facts to balance the hyperbole: * As far as I can tell, the book being touted is *not* on the New York Times Bestseller List, at least not in the Top 35 listed on its hardback non-fiction page, or in the Top 30 listed on its paperback Non-Fiction page. * It also fails to appear on Amazon's page listing the The New York Times Bestsellers, either for hardback or paperback non-fiction. * It appears to be ranked at #662 on Amazon, which is admirable, but hardly a best seller. (More interesting, the author of this blog's book, so conveniently touted at the bottom of this article to hype sales of it, is #11,876.) * Harold Bloomfield, one-time TMO poster boy and author of the first book Phil Goldberg waxes so nostalgic about, was later arrested for drugging his female patients and taking sexual liberties with them. He plead guilty to two felony counts in the matter and had his license to practice medicine suspended (at least for a while...I can find no information about whether it was ever reinstated). So much for the benefits of meditation. We now return you to your normally-scheduled reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: HUFFINGTON POST: Transcendental Meditation: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Goldberg Posted: 06/21/11 08:10 AM ET When I saw that a book about Transcendental Meditation http://www.tm.org/ (TM), written by a scientist, had landed on the New York Times bestseller list, my reaction was to quote the great Yogi of Berra: It's déjà vu all over again. In 1975, TM: Discovering Inner Energy and Overcoming Stress was propelled onto the list when its lead author, psychiatrist Harold Bloomfield http://www.haroldbloomfield.com/ , appeared on Merv Griffin's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv_Griffin syndicated TV talk show (the Oprah of its day) with TM founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.maharishi.org/ . The book remained a bestseller for six months, and then had a solid run on the paperback list. During that period, Merv devoted a second show to Maharishi, and TM centers could barely keep up with the demand. By the end of 1976, over a million Americans had learned to meditate. This was the culmination of a remarkable eight-year run that began when the Beatles famously learned TM and sojourned at Maharishi's ashram http://www.thebeatlesinindia.com/ in India. Between that watershed moment and the two Merv programs, meditation moved from the counterculture to the mainstream, from weird to respectable, from youthful mind expansion to middle-age stress remedy. Now, the celebrity meditators were not rock stars but Clint Eastwood and Mary Tyler Moore, and you could not get more mainstream than the nation's big screen hero and its TV sweetheart. The route from esoteric mystical discipline to respectable relaxation technique was paved by science. It started in the late '60s when a young meditator named Robert Keith Wallace was persuaded by his guru, Maharishi, to study the physiology of TM. The research became his Ph.D. dissertation, and then a Science magazine article in 1970. Wallace's follow-up study, conducted with Harvard cardiologist Herbert Benson, was published in 1971 in The American Journal of Physiology and Scientific American. The data sparked an avalanche of research. By 1975, a substantial body of evidence had demonstrated the efficacy of meditation on various measures of physical and mental health. Now comes another psychiatrist, Norman E. Rosenthal http://www.webmd.com/norman-e-rosenthal , with Transcendence: Healing and Transformation through Transcendental Meditation http://www.amazon.com/Transcendence-Healing-Transformation-Through-Medi\ \ tation/dp/1585428736%3FSubscriptionId%3D1E2MCMDX6VVV67W7T882%26tag%3Dabs\ \
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation:Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Whether it's on the best-seller list is not really the point. I take it that you failed to notice the misleading title of the blog post in question. It's a formidable book by someone whose credentials are beyond dispute. If so, it should be able to sell on its own, without misleading hype by someone trying to sell his own books. How embarrassing for the anti-TM faction on this board, who insist ad nauseam that the TM movement is almost dead, the research is worthless, etc, etc, etc. Time to eat humble pie, gentlemen. Not quite. If the TMO still exists in ten years, I will be happy to eat whatever pie you offer, humble or other- wise. My preference is for lemon meringue. :-) What I'm suggesting is that your belief that this book is as big a deal as Phil Goldberg misleadingly (and rather self-servingly) claims it is is a little...uh... premature. As is your glee at someone's supposed embarrassment. Come back to me in six months with actual (not imagined) sales figures for the book and, more important, statistics on how many people have started TM as a result of it, and then we'll talk pie. As with science, what you *hope* doesn't really enter into the picture, only what can be proven. The book will either really become a bestseller or not; it certainly isn't one now. And the TMO will either die off or it won't, it certainly seems to be doing so at this point, and not terribly gracefully. I'm willing to be contradicted on either point, but only by facts, not by either Phil Goldberg's fantasies, or yours. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: A few facts to balance the hyperbole: * As far as I can tell, the book being touted is *not* on the New York Times Bestseller List, at least not in the Top 35 listed on its hardback non-fiction page, or in the Top 30 listed on its paperback Non-Fiction page. * It also fails to appear on Amazon's page listing the The New York Times Bestsellers, either for hardback or paperback non-fiction. * It appears to be ranked at #662 on Amazon, which is admirable, but hardly a best seller. (More interesting, the author of this blog's book, so conveniently touted at the bottom of this article to hype sales of it, is #11,876.) * Harold Bloomfield, one-time TMO poster boy and author of the first book Phil Goldberg waxes so nostalgic about, was later arrested for drugging his female patients and taking sexual liberties with them. He plead guilty to two felony counts in the matter and had his license to practice medicine suspended (at least for a while...I can find no information about whether it was ever reinstated). So much for the benefits of meditation. We now return you to your normally-scheduled reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: HUFFINGTON POST: Transcendental Meditation: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Goldberg Posted: 06/21/11 08:10 AM ET When I saw that a book about Transcendental Meditation http://www.tm.org/ (TM), written by a scientist, had landed on the New York Times bestseller list, my reaction was to quote the great Yogi of Berra: It's déjà vu all over again. In 1975, TM: Discovering Inner Energy and Overcoming Stress was propelled onto the list when its lead author, psychiatrist Harold Bloomfield http://www.haroldbloomfield.com/ , appeared on Merv Griffin's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv_Griffin syndicated TV talk show (the Oprah of its day) with TM founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.maharishi.org/ . The book remained a bestseller for six months, and then had a solid run on the paperback list. During that period, Merv devoted a second show to Maharishi, and TM centers could barely keep up with the demand. By the end of 1976, over a million Americans had learned to meditate. This was the culmination of a remarkable eight-year run that began when the Beatles famously learned TM and sojourned at Maharishi's ashram http://www.thebeatlesinindia.com/ in India. Between that watershed moment and the two Merv programs, meditation moved from the counterculture to the mainstream, from weird to respectable, from youthful mind expansion to middle-age stress remedy. Now, the celebrity meditators were not rock stars but Clint Eastwood and Mary Tyler Moore, and you could not get more mainstream than the nation's big screen hero and its TV sweetheart. The route from esoteric mystical discipline to respectable relaxation technique was paved by science. It started in the late '60s when a young meditator named Robert Keith Wallace was persuaded by his guru, Maharishi, to study the physiology of TM. The research became his Ph.D. dissertation, and then a Science magazine article in 1970. Wallace's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Thanks Rick. I guess it is his email reader that isn't wrapping. I'll bet it is something that Richard can choose. I love to type fast (well fast for ME!) and this return at the end of the line deal isn't hardwired. This might turn out to be an amazing metaphor for a lot of stuff that goes on here in the direction of miscommunications! What say ye Richard, do you have an auto wrap feature? This email blissfully disregarded the return at the end of the line. How does it look compared to the last post on this topic? I think that the fact that only Barry and Judy come through perfectly for him is one of the funnier things I have heard. Perhaps Richard is being instructed to only read their posts by the universe and I shouldn't try to interfere! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , richardjwilliamstexas willytex@ wrote: curtisdeltablues: Oh and if it wouldn't be too much trouble, do you think you could sprinkle in a few paragraph breaks now and then? I hate to have to fight the format to get to what you are saying. Maybe throw in some sentence breaks with the Enter key too. Apparently there are only three respondents on this list that know how to format for making easy replies on newsgroups: Judy and Barry. Go figure. I tried it a number of times and never got any feedback that it worked from you so I figured it wasn't worth the trouble. I'll try it in this post and you can let me know if it is a better format for email readers. Web readers see it just fine. I wonder if any other email readers have this problem with my posts? I'm an email reader. I've never had any problem with your posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru splits
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/20/prakashanand-saraswati-the- fugitive-guru-of-barsana-dham.html?om_rid=Nsf5z9om_mid=_BOAOt6B8b$lihm http://tinyurl.com/3kqrjx2 A Texas saint comments on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxzJAF1BxP4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru splits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/20/prakashanand-saraswati-the-fugitive-guru-of-barsana-dham.html?om_rid=Nsf5z9om_mid=_BOAOt6B8b$lihm http://tinyurl.com/3kqrjx2 A Texas saint comments on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxzJAF1BxP4 Excellent commentary, Tom. One of my favorite songs, written by Townes Van Sant: Living on the road my friend Was gonna keep you free and clean Now you wear your skin like iron Your breath's as hard as kerosene You weren't your mama's only boy But her favorite one it seems She began to cry when you said goodbye And sank into your dreams Pancho was a bandit boys His horse was fast as polished steel Wore his gun outside his pants For all the honest world to feel Pancho met his match you know On the deserts down in Mexico Nobody heard his dying words That's the way it goes All the Federales say They could have had him any day They only let him hang around Out of kindness I suppose Lefty he can't sing the blues All night long like he used to The dust that Pancho bit down south Ended up in Lefty's mouth The day they laid poor Pancho low Lefty split for Ohio Where he got the bread to go There ain't nobody knows All the Federales say They could have had him any day They only let him slip away Out of kindness I suppose The poets tell how Pancho fell Lefty's livin' in a cheap hotel The desert's quiet and Cleveland's cold So the story ends we're told Pancho needs your prayers it's true, But save a few for Lefty too He just did what he had to do Now he's growing old A few gray Federales say They could have had him any day They only let him go so long Out of kindness I suppose
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for the reply MZ and kind words. And thanks for taking the paragraphing request as is was meant, a way to help me read posts worth reading and not as douchy over-controlling of how another person writes! Lets start with Gaga. When I first saw her I just assumed she was just another fluff princess who represents the exact opposite of the kind of authentic roots music I have devoted my life to. But on her first SNL appearance she (gloriously decked out in a costume that could only be described as intergalactic)broke into talking to the audience while she played piano about how she was just a NYC girl who followed her dreams and that she was doing what she loved and we can all do that... It moved me. It felt authentic as if she quilt up all these layers of protection so she could be completely raw with us, vulnerable. Since then she comes across pretty well in interviews. She has the real talent and has her own inner directed purpose. I wonder if the X usage isn't melting her brain a bit sometimes and making her message a bit simplistic, but for her little monsters it is working and they look to her as a life coach in a meat suit. Since I am NOT any type of visual artist I am especially impressed that she had got that going on at such a high level along with her musical talent. On the finale of American Idol (oh yeah that's how I roll!) she dropped off this 20 foot foam cliff with her dancer partner, and I don't care what she landed on, it was ballsy! She seems to be giving everything to achieve her artistic vision. I downloaded her new CD for 99 cents from Amazon during her one day promotion and haven't listened to it. I think I am more of a fan of her than her actual music, which is a bit too far in the club scene direction for this old hippie. But I have to high five her for being at her level and attempting to keep it real in a way I never got from Madonna. I always hated seeing Madonna on Letterman because she was not showing up authentically, and her schtick just didn't work for me. I would enjoy seeing her in 20 years, after her second stint in rehab, 3rd marriage with that shocking gender switcheroo in her second marriage, sitting at a piano without all the schtick. I'm guessing she will have even more to say. But for all of 25, with all of her life lessons on center stage, I have to give her big props for NOT being Amy Winehouse, and she could so easily have gone that way. So that's a start, what do you see in her? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Blue Caboose bluecaboose@... Date: June 21, 2011 7:51:15 PM EDT To: Blue Caboose bluecaboose@... Subject: FFL:CDBJune 21,2011 p a Saint - Lose Your Badge FWIW Masked Zebra Ravi seems to be a decent guy underneath his persona. But he doesn't seem to want to share that level of himself here too much. I wouldn't take all the bizzaro putdown pimp whore talk personally. It is more formulaic than focused on what you really write here. You wont get a back and forth from him on any topic but if he decides to take something more seriously for a minute he can be very entertaining. As he says he is drunk on the divine and that is probably the best way to deal with him. (If by divine he means jello shots) He can be a cheery contributor to the madness here and he certainly grew on me. (till I got some wart-a-way) I hope you continue to post and find your groove here once you have us all sorted out. I believe your contribution here is highly unique and I for one have been digging your posts. As I get to know more about your perspective I hope I can lob some questions your way that you might find interesting enough to consider. I only knew OF you when I was at MIU in the late 70's, so it is nice to hear from the man behind the mask. (or zebra if you prefer) Oh and if it wouldn't be too much trouble, do you think you could sprinkle in a few paragraph breaks now and then? I hate to have to fight the format to get to what you are saying. I hope you feel welcome brother. RESPONSE: Thanks for the welcome, CDB. Your posts probably were what got me to accept RA's invitation to contribute here. Powerful intellect and big heartor so this is how it seems to me in reading what you write on this blog. I especially appreciate your introducing me to the context here. Thoughtful, hilarious, and apposite. I feel after reading this I have my bearings. By all means, lob your questions my way. I will enjoy the opportunity to write into that mind of yours. And I will adjust my paragraphing. If you will permit me to say so, I especially enjoy the strength of your convictionsI don't sense (so far anyway) the sublimation of your real personality into the metaphysic of the East. Something
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation:Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
turquoiseb: I'm willing to be contradicted on either point, but only by facts, not by either Phil Goldberg's fantasies, or yours... The fact is, you've not read the book. You are supposed to read the book before you post your comments. The book comes up number two on Amazon according to bestsellers, right after number one, 'Meditation For Dummies', which apparently you never read as well. So much for the facts. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
What say ye Richard, do you have an auto wrap feature? I'm using line breaks with the Enter key, just like Barry and Judy use, for replies. No text-wrapping for easy reading. This list is a mess! See example below:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
curtisdeltablues: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory... So, you're not prejudiced against Hindus? You were at the MMY Greek Theater talk in 1967? Go figure. A prejudice is a prejudgment, an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Thanks for letting me see what you see Richard. The way you have it you need to scroll right and that would be annoying. But I still wonder if your reader can't auto wrap this if you resize your reader. Does anyone else have this problem with my posts? I am flattered that you would even want to read my drivel here Richard but I am fighting a long standing habit of typing. Barry if you are reading this. Do you hit return at the end of each line? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: What say ye Richard, do you have an auto wrap feature? I'm using line breaks with the Enter key, just like Barry and Judy use, for replies. No text-wrapping for easy reading. This list is a mess! See example below:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: curtisdeltablues: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory... So, you're not prejudiced against Hindus? No, I am not. You were at the MMY Greek Theater talk in 1967? Go figure. No, I was not A prejudice is a prejudgment, an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy... My judgements about Maharishi are all after experience with him. Plenty. I read his first book Mediations of Maharishi when I was 10 years old so it has been quite a while since I could be PREjudging him. But in the loose way the word is defined here it would apply to all of us talking about everyone. It is just a judgement call. I would rather see something in the definition about generalizing by type the experiences you have with one member of a group. That seem like the key point in how we use the term. I get along better with Hindus than most Americans due to my willingness to sing the puja for them. Blows their mind everytime! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice
[FairfieldLife] A search 4 such a sign is NOT found in the mens dome Jury is out Re: womans dome
A very thorough look see found no such sign the men's dome Nor was one ever noted there. Woman's dome not located yesterday Tuesday 21 St. However it may be a small one placed by a woman dome mbr. NOT readily observed. It was not ever a large sign posted by the Univ., people its speculated by woman now looking 4 us. However it could have been a private one since removed. Folks are still looking in both domes 4 such in greater numbers to find such etc.
[FairfieldLife] New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/22/2011
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of you and make everything turn out right. Do less and accomplish more, which in those early talks clearly meant Meditate and recharge your energy and your creativity and then go out and USE it by working more efficiently for the things you want turned into Just meditate and everything will be taken care of. Prag- matic thinking gave way to magical thinking. And look what the outcome of this reliance on magical thinking has produced. People who can no longer imagine solutions to the problems of hunger and war and violence that come from humans using their own intelligence and working towards pragmatic solutions. Instead, the only source that they can imagine a solution to these prob- lems coming from is magic, in the form of some Woo Woo Rays emanating from the thuds of their butts on foam, or from other, even more magical Woo Woo Rays emanating from some teacher or guru or avatar. Call me crazy but I miss the message of that first Maharishi talk. I am hopeful that the problems of this planet, both individual and worldwide, can in fact be resolved. But I don't believe that they can only be resolved
[FairfieldLife] A search 4 such a sign is NOT found in the mens dome Jury is out Re: womans dome
AHHH got it [;)] Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge message/279600 means you will not find your badge anymore in your bag after bought so may stuff at the sainthood shore (or was it store?) lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: A very thorough look see found no such sign the men's dome Nor was one ever noted there. Woman's dome not located yesterday Tuesday 21 St. However it may be a small one placed by a woman dome mbr. NOT readily observed. It was not ever a large sign posted by the Univ., people its speculated by woman now looking 4 us. However it could have been a private one since removed. Folks are still looking in both domes 4 such in greater numbers to find such etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CApitol of the Age of Enlightenment burns down
Actually it turns out that the place was insured for1.5 million. The newer *Peace Palaces* were virtually unharmed. Now they have the bucks to finish them, but will they? I bet the money goes elsewhere, like India. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 8:34:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CApitol of the Age of Enlightenment burns down --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I just got a phone call from the care taker of the Navasota Capitol of the Age of Enlightenment. The place burned down last night due to forest fires. The movement couldn't sell it. Hope they were up to date on their insurance premiums. I can see this one coming. Can't you imagine some TM dweeb saying, Insurance? Why should we need insurance? The Laws Of Nature will protect us from any harm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Enjoyed your blast from the past Curtis - I can totally see the judgment on the dark spirit who was banished from the scene by Maharishi's effulgence, now in retrospect realizing the poor guy probably just had to pee - too many mango smoothies that morningand the chosen Governors remained... I was not part of the reinforced indoctrination that the Governors received, but definitely bought into the absolute perfection of our dear leader. Though I recall at the time I also took seriously the Jai Guru Dev thing, respect the teacher, so I really didn't feel Maharishi was my personal guru, rather a perfect teacher (for awhile). The difference being I never had nor wanted a personal relationship with him, beyond the big Maharishi posters on my dorm walls (I did work for the MMY Press, but it was still a pretty groupie thing to do...). I never had a chance to meet him. So I hung on his every word and worked for the Movement for two and a half years. Then when it became time to take a closer look and consider becoming a teacher myself, I decided to leave instead. Just wasn't going to work out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
How TM of him line of the day... creative...and since you TMed once proofs TM works! BTW Who wants a bestseller anyway...these Americans lol [;)] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CApitol of the Age of Enlightenment burns down
Funny you should mention that. Just about a year or so ago, the local TMO managers here were discussing the possibility of tearing down the building and selling everything off to a salvage company. They may have gotten a couple hundred k by doing so. I told them they were idiots to even consider the idea. Now they'll get 1.5 million for the loss of the building and get to keep the land with two unfinished peace palaces. Good things come to those that wait. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 9:04:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CApitol of the Age of Enlightenment burns down --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I just got a phone call from the care taker of the Navasota Capitol of the Age of Enlightenment. The place burned down last night due to forest fires. The movement couldn't sell it. Hope they were up to date on their insurance premiums. I can see this one coming. Can't you imagine some TM dweeb saying, Insurance? Why should we need insurance? The Laws Of Nature will protect us from any harm. And if the premiums *were* all paid up, Barry would imagine some TM dweeb saying, Hey, this forest fire is coming very close to the Navasota Capital. Let's help things along a bit and make *sure* it burns down. If the fire doesn't actually reach the building, we can always say it was ignited by some stray sparks. Then we can collect the insurance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CApitol of the Age of Enlightenment burns down
Actually it was an accident. The forest fire started a long way off from the property and worked it's way to the Capitol and beyond. I think it consumed about 3500 acres or more. I'm sure today's much needed rain has put it out. From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 10:42:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CApitol of the Age of Enlightenment burns down On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:34 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I just got a phone call from the care taker of the Navasota Capitol of the Age of Enlightenment. The place burned down last night due to forest fires. The movement couldn't sell it. Hope they were up to date on their insurance premiums. Oh, you can bet they're up to date. And you can also bet it was no accident. That's happened a lot, both in FF and elsewhere. I can see this one coming. Can't you imagine some TM dweeb saying, Insurance? Why should we need insurance? The Laws Of Nature will protect us from any harm. Lots of TM dweebs have said that. Why buy insurance when you have Ayur-Veda...buying insurance is just attracting negativity...and other such idiocies. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Nice. Self-sufficency is a curious beast. It is not me against the world. Meditation seems to result in a wider perspective, in which one experiences being in the flow of things, one experiences the connexions between things more intuitively, even if it is difficult or impossible to express just what that means conceptually. On the nearby level, a person still has to do things to get something done. One might get information from elsewhere, but the decision what to do with that information does not. One relies on others to the extent that one does not know something, or cannot physically accomplish certain tasks, say writing 1,000 articles in a couple of days; so one delegates responsibilities. As Harry Truman once said, 'The buck stops here.' The tendency for magical thinking does not seem to be erased by meditation; in my case a childhood interest in science reduced the propensity to dream this way, but whether meditation has had any effect in this direction, I cannot tell, as many people around me have a strong disposition for magical thinking, and they have been meditating longer than I. What is interesting is this kind of thinking persists even when experience and situations completely contradict it. It is a peculiar habit. Hope: the wish that a non-existent state of affairs not be that way. Maharishi said something like 'the millionaire must still push the pencil across the paper himself to write something.' Hope does not accomplish anything. One either does something (which involves thinking of what to do, being creative), or if the odds are too overwhelming, surrenders to the situation (e.g., one falls out of an aeroplane, having forgotten to put on a parachute, or not having one in the first place). It is curious how the movement turned out. Other teachers have also demanded unquestioned obedience in following their directives and thought. I wonder what sort of behaviour Swami Brahmananda Saraswati had in this regard, what the relationship between him and his students was. Did Maharishi adopt this behaviour from observation of others, or was it an intrinsic part of his personality. I of course do not know the answer to this question, not having been there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of you and make everything turn out right. Do less and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
#7 on the NYT Best Seller list, week of June 19th, in the Hardcover and Misc. category: TRANSCENDENCE, by Norman E. Rosenthal. (Jeremy P. Tarcher/Penguin, $25.95.) Healing and transformation through meditation. http://tinyurl.com/3gkxtl8 Seems like your bias is showing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: How TM of him line of the day... creative...and since you TMed once proofs TM works! BTW Who wants a bestseller anyway...these Americans lol [;)] Harold Bloomfield did. As you can possibly tell, I have a bone or two to pick with him. Back in L.A. when I worked for the TMO Regional Office, I unfortunately had to interact with him often. He was one of the TM poster boys, having written a book on TM, followed up by a successful diet book. Only trouble was that he was by far the biggest egomaniac I had ever run into in the TMO. Think about that statement, given the TMO assholes *you've* run into. :-) I knew he was an irredeemable slimeball long before he got arrested for being one because a friend of mine, a female initiator, went to him for medical advice. Too busy being a famous L.A. diet doctor, or too busy being an egomaniac, or for whatever reason, he prescribed the wrong medication for her. That night she started having heart palpitations and her roommates convinced her to go to the emergency room. There, they checked the medication and told her that if she had waited until morning, as she had wanted to, she'd have died. The doctors in the ER told her that she should sue the pants off of Bloomfield, and offered to testify for her. But Harold got to her first. He first tried to talk her out of filing a medical malpractice suit by telling her it would reflect badly on Maharishi and on TM. When that didn't seem to work, he told her that if she filed the suit he would use his influence with Maharishi to make sure she never went on another course. She dropped the idea of suing him. So when the name Harold Bloomfield comes up, yes, I tend to see red. Guy was the biggest slimeball I've ever met. I was not in the least surprised when he was later arrested for slipping his female patients roofies and raping or near- raping them. The saddest part is that they let him off with- out any prison time. I would have loved to have seen him gangraped by his fellow inmates, without the roofie foreplay. That would have better suited my notion of karma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol
Yeah Richard , you got that wrong. Curtis hates Christians also. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 6:41:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: azgrey: From what I've heard he knows a whole lot more more about those Texas prarie dogs than he lets on... Why are almost all the TM Teacher informants on FFL so prejudiced against certain groups of people? We've got Curtis who is obviously prejudiced against Hindus; No I'm not Richard. I know you think this is a funny thing to say, but I have a front row seat on an actual case of Hindu prejudice and it is not only real, it can crush family's dreams. It is an ugly reality for some people, and your using it as and idiotic put-down shows what rough-trade you really are. Manning hates Mormons; Vaj hates Christians, assgrey hates Texans, and Barry hates all Americans. It's like they are still supporting MMY's Indian 'caste system', based on birth circumstances. Talk about yer cult brainwashing. But, you'd think they would learn how to spell. LoL! I wouldn't doubt it!...although Richard doesn't really know that much about Texas. There are indeed Texas prarie dogs:
Re: [FairfieldLife] hunting dogs
Must be from Alabama. From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 9:53:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] hunting dogs http://www.rangerrob.com/images/reneckdogs1.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: #7 on the NYT Best Seller list, week of June 19th, in the Hardcover and Misc. category: TRANSCENDENCE, by Norman E. Rosenthal. (Jeremy P. Tarcher/Penguin, $25.95.) Healing and transformation through meditation. http://tinyurl.com/3gkxtl8 Seems like your bias is showing. H. I opened each of the weekly lists available on the site for the months of May and June and searched in the resulting PDFs for the book title and got no hits. I guess that what I got as PDFs were the main hardcover lists and not the lesser Advice and Miscellaneous lists. I withdraw my outrage about the bestseller claim. I don't withdraw my outrage over Phil Goldberg being so clueless as to how things turned out for Dr. Harold Bloomfield to praise his book. I fully admit to bias towards that slime- ball. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) RESPONSE: Goddamn, I loved this. More of reality gets contained in the mockery than in the beatific. The muse that inspires you to write like this, Curtis, it's a healthier and more discriminating muse than those muses which keep up the Vedic sentimentality. Hah! Nature support coming right at you from CurtisDeltaBlues. Dig it, folks. Because there ain't no defending what CDB rips open. Too fing innocent. Yeah, you heard me right: that's the word. For me the antidote is ironyand here, baby, you get the kind that clears mental space in the universe. Oh, yeah: I speak for myself herebut if you let yourself 'transcend' effortlessly (no concentration) you'll become a convert. I promise you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first
[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol
Actually I hate everyone Mike, it just happens that some of them are Christians. Dennis Miller on prejudice (from memory) The problem with prejudice is that if you just take the time to get to know people personally, you will find much better reasons to hate them for! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Yeah Richard , you got that wrong. Curtis hates Christians also. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 6:41:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@ wrote: azgrey: From what I've heard he knows a whole lot more more about those Texas prarie dogs than he lets on... Why are almost all the TM Teacher informants on FFL so prejudiced against certain groups of people? We've got Curtis who is obviously prejudiced against Hindus; No I'm not Richard. I know you think this is a funny thing to say, but I have a front row seat on an actual case of Hindu prejudice and it is not only real, it can crush family's dreams. It is an ugly reality for some people, and your using it as and idiotic put-down shows what rough-trade you really are. Manning hates Mormons; Vaj hates Christians, assgrey hates Texans, and Barry hates all Americans. It's like they are still supporting MMY's Indian 'caste system', based on birth circumstances. Talk about yer cult brainwashing. But, you'd think they would learn how to spell. LoL! I wouldn't doubt it!...although Richard doesn't really know that much about Texas. There are indeed Texas prarie dogs:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Thanks MZ, always a tough balance between satire and being a dick.If I got it right on this one for you, I am happy. One thing I know from reading un British censored Vedic texts, those old guys were much more comfortable with their bodies than the prudish movement. When they are rocking the level of analogy (remember this one) of a frog desiring water, a physician desiring disease (bastards!) and trouser trout desiring untrimmed bush, they are not on the same page as gender-free world of the Capitals of the Age of Enlightenment! (Angels don't have naughty parts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) RESPONSE: Goddamn, I loved this. More of reality gets contained in the mockery than in the beatific. The muse that inspires you to write like this, Curtis, it's a healthier and more discriminating muse than those muses which keep up the Vedic sentimentality. Hah! Nature support coming right at you from CurtisDeltaBlues. Dig it, folks. Because there ain't no defending what CDB rips open. Too fing innocent. Yeah, you heard me right: that's the word. For me the antidote is ironyand here, baby, you get the kind that clears mental space in the universe. Oh, yeah: I speak for myself herebut if you let yourself 'transcend' effortlessly (no concentration) you'll become a convert. I promise you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol
A, that's better. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 9:51:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol Actually I hate everyone Mike, it just happens that some of them are Christians. Dennis Miller on prejudice (from memory) The problem with prejudice is that if you just take the time to get to know people personally, you will find much better reasons to hate them for! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Yeah Richard , you got that wrong. Curtis hates Christians also. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 6:41:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@ wrote: azgrey: From what I've heard he knows a whole lot more more about those Texas prarie dogs than he lets on... Why are almost all the TM Teacher informants on FFL so prejudiced against certain groups of people? We've got Curtis who is obviously prejudiced against Hindus; No I'm not Richard. I know you think this is a funny thing to say, but I have a front row seat on an actual case of Hindu prejudice and it is not only real, it can crush family's dreams. It is an ugly reality for some people, and your using it as and idiotic put-down shows what rough-trade you really are. Manning hates Mormons; Vaj hates Christians, assgrey hates Texans, and Barry hates all Americans. It's like they are still supporting MMY's Indian 'caste system', based on birth circumstances. Talk about yer cult brainwashing. But, you'd think they would learn how to spell. LoL! I wouldn't doubt it!...although Richard doesn't really know that much about Texas. There are indeed Texas prarie dogs:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Re: the original message - this would be my concern about Amma and her org as well - she appears to be devolving from the original message and executing controlling directives that result in dependencies in many. Let alone the $$ coming in - a 21st century tithe strategy. Magical thinking and magical stories abound..lessons... don't lose yourself in someone or something else and each of us is responsible for our own spiritual growth. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:12 AM Enjoyed your blast from the past Curtis - I can totally see the judgment on the dark spirit who was banished from the scene by Maharishi's effulgence, now in retrospect realizing the poor guy probably just had to pee - too many mango smoothies that morningand the chosen Governors remained... I was not part of the reinforced indoctrination that the Governors received, but definitely bought into the absolute perfection of our dear leader. Though I recall at the time I also took seriously the Jai Guru Dev thing, respect the teacher, so I really didn't feel Maharishi was my personal guru, rather a perfect teacher (for awhile). The difference being I never had nor wanted a personal relationship with him, beyond the big Maharishi posters on my dorm walls (I did work for the MMY Press, but it was still a pretty groupie thing to do...). I never had a chance to meet him. So I hung on his every word and worked for the Movement for two and a half years. Then when it became time to take a closer look and consider becoming a teacher myself, I decided to leave instead. Just wasn't going to work out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: You don't acknowledge self realization as anything special anyway, so you can't have it both ways, can't push against something that according to you does not exist. And if that's your game, you're a troll - not that there's anything wrong with it. May I correct your assumption here? I do acknowledge self realization as special. It does exist�as a subjective experience supported and sustained by those Vedic gods. In this sense it can even be said to have an objective existence. It's just that it is not Reality's (God's?) idea of something that represents what Reality (or God) is. I convinced all the persons (they had to be doing TM to get this, however) who were around me for ten years that I was in Unity Consciousness. And I believe to this day, that I WAS in such a state of consciousness. It's just that at one point I realized very definitively and in an uncontradictible [if there be such a word] way that my state of consciousness did NOT embody reality. It was a very remarkable and convincing hallucination. MMY basically said that unless you can perform the siddhis at any time, you can't really lay claim to being in Unity. Yebbut how does this tie in with MMY's notion that all action is performed by the 3 gunas (of course its not only his notion)? I might think I'm in unity (better perhaps: there might be a perception that unity is present), but the 3 gunas might not be inclined to perform any siddhis right now (or ever in my lifetime) thank you very much. So according to MMY unity won't necessarily correlate with the performance of siddhis. And I believe that, according to MMY, the converse is also true (i.e. that the performance of siddhis doesn't necessarily imply unity)... It's a bit like the notion of nature support - seems to be meaningless except in waking state. My conclusion would be that there's no proof possible of someone being in unity. Perhaps the best that could be done would to be correlate reports of unity with specific physiological signatures.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra failed to prove existence of God to atheists
I think you're correct about BarryAtric-I except for his purported pain and self-loathing. Those are internal emotional state I do not presume to know. What I do find is that BarryAtric-I disbelieves and doubts everything in the form of an a-priori world view. However, these are just more thoughts that he takes to be real. He does not doubt himself, so it is all just a form of performance theater. By your definition that would make him a true bull-shitter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You're so right. Why try and change TM'ers? You would be happier posting on some other forum. Find another one where some one will care what you say. Here you just a buffoon typing your meaningless opinions. Remember? ... You're a self-professed bullshitter. Barry''s a self-professed bullshitter all right but he's really fascinated with his bullshit, he has lot invested in it, in fact he has his whole life invested in it. So that doesn't really make him a bullshitter, he is just bullshitting that he is a bullshitter. A real bullshitter would never be attached to his bullshit, his bullshit is just a mask, a mask for his pain, a mask for his self-loathing - low-vibe as he refers it to as. It's all just opinions and yours are no more important than anyone else or their meaningless opinions. It is so simple. As are you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What IS it with TMers? Even their *fantasies* are about winning some imaginary debate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
I never went further in to pastry than figuring out the variables in pie crusts. (Sorry its half butter (flavor) and half Crisco or lard (flakiness) I'm a big bread and pizza guy. I don't believe you can get there using philo though. It will stay crunchy between levels which is what it good for. It wont blend between the levels like you get when you roll out a sheet of dough really really thin, brush it with butter and roll it into a croissant. That is one of the few foods that is best left to the professionals for me. But if I had a bigass kitchen table, and a fridge big enough to take the sheets as I roll them out. (they gotta stay chilled or you would get a goopy mess between layers) If you try it you have to report! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the reply MZ and kind words. And thanks for taking the paragraphing request as is was meant, a way to help me read posts worth reading and not as douchy over-controlling of how another person writes! Lets start with Gaga. When I first saw her I just assumed she was just another fluff princess who represents the exact opposite of the kind of authentic roots music I have devoted my life to. But on her first SNL appearance she (gloriously decked out in a costume that could only be described as intergalactic)broke into talking to the audience while she played piano about how she was just a NYC girl who followed her dreams and that she was doing what she loved and we can all do that... It moved me. It felt authentic as if she quilt up all these layers of protection so she could be completely raw with us, vulnerable. Since then she comes across pretty well in interviews. She has the real talent and has her own inner directed purpose. I wonder if the X usage isn't melting her brain a bit sometimes and making her message a bit simplistic, but for her little monsters it is working and they look to her as a life coach in a meat suit. Since I am NOT any type of visual artist I am especially impressed that she had got that going on at such a high level along with her musical talent. On the finale of American Idol (oh yeah that's how I roll!) she dropped off this 20 foot foam cliff with her dancer partner, and I don't care what she landed on, it was ballsy! She seems to be giving everything to achieve her artistic vision. I downloaded her new CD for 99 cents from Amazon during her one day promotion and haven't listened to it. I think I am more of a fan of her than her actual music, which is a bit too far in the club scene direction for this old hippie. But I have to high five her for being at her level and attempting to keep it real in a way I never got from Madonna. I always hated seeing Madonna on Letterman because she was not showing up authentically, and her schtick just didn't work for me. I would enjoy seeing her in 20 years, after her second stint in rehab, 3rd marriage with that shocking gender switcheroo in her second marriage, sitting at a piano without all the schtick. I'm guessing she will have even more to say. But for all of 25, with all of her life lessons on center stage, I have to give her big props for NOT being Amy Winehouse, and she could so easily have gone that way. So that's a start, what do you see in her? RESPONSE: Watch the HBO Madison Square Gardens video if you can (Monster Tour, from last month). She's right inside Manhattan there, where she grew up, and she goes all the way in this performance. (Note her after-show A Capella version of Born This Way). Lots of things you say here are pertinent: It felt authentic as if she quilt up all these layers of protection so she could be completely raw with us, vulnerable. . . . has her own inner directed purpose. . . . look to her as a life coach. . . She seems to be giving everything to achieve her artistic vision. . . . attempting to keep it real in a way I never got from Madonna. My take? She is so passionate and devoted to her musicand her message (inner God-given dignity of every person: For God makes no mistakes BTW) comes through non-didactically, non-sentimentally. As you say, her effect on her little monsters is real. They can't help what happens to them during a LG performanceand I have been in a live audience watching her: she does more good for each person than TM ever did (if you will excuse the hyperbole, the bitterness, the outrageousness of that declarationbut for me, it's true). No one of course is 'transformed' but her effect seems to make people a little more sincere, a little more intelligent, a little more grounded. Although I doubt ANYONE knows just how she is doing this. For me, her dedication as an artist is pure and deathless, and this invites a grace which desexualizes her just to the right degree, while allowing her, non-egotistically to sacrifice herself inside her art. And the form and message of the art are one. That almost is unprecedented in my experience. (I have been a performer myself). A woman dishabille and yet private lust for her is not permitted. This is because her art is (and the woman behind the art) so sincere and inspired that a certain chasteness secretly enters into the contextdefying the very provocative and sexually uninhibited way she performs. Inside her performanceI have studied her carefully up-closeshe is that good (as an artist) that she surrenders all of herself, and from within this posture of total giving, she is able to create an effect which defies analysis. People feel good, but it is not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. **Total agreement. And the marsh mellowy part of the meringue can't have that too uniform wtf is that chemical puffiness consistency. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. **You make a good point, though Marie Callender's frozen pie crust is really close to homemade in taste and consistency. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. **I am definitely the ez bake oven baker, making a minor art form of tweaking frozen nukable food into something tasty - lol, I can see your grimace. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. **That is a very tricky bit. Yep, overcook at that point and the whole thing tastes like carbon. Last, I am lucky to have a lemon tree in the backyard and it makes great pies and juice. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. ** Yes, and happy baking to you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
nuthin' says lovin' like something in the oven - Pillsbury makes some pretty good instant croissants, though all their stuff has a pronounced baking powder flavor that has to be drowned out with a lot of butter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
Ah yes, the Bloomfield guy turned out to be a criminal as I recall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: #7 on the NYT Best Seller list, week of June 19th, in the Hardcover and Misc. category: TRANSCENDENCE, by Norman E. Rosenthal. (Jeremy P. Tarcher/Penguin, $25.95.) Healing and transformation through meditation. http://tinyurl.com/3gkxtl8 Seems like your bias is showing. H. I opened each of the weekly lists available on the site for the months of May and June and searched in the resulting PDFs for the book title and got no hits. I guess that what I got as PDFs were the main hardcover lists and not the lesser Advice and Miscellaneous lists. I withdraw my outrage about the bestseller claim. I don't withdraw my outrage over Phil Goldberg being so clueless as to how things turned out for Dr. Harold Bloomfield to praise his book. I fully admit to bias towards that slime- ball. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Wow, you should write for her fan blog. You are totally Gaga for Gaga! I'm not sure she has de-sexualized herself enough for this old horndog (big surprise!) but she does come across as a musician rather than a dancer so her movements are a bit geeky which is much more charming for me than the usual pole dancer moves of the Pussy Cat Dolls for example. The current show-biz model for sexy has gone too far into characterization land for me. The great thing about FFL is that last night I would have bet you $50 that I would NOT be talking about Gaga today. And here we are. Your enthusiasm carried it far beyond what I could have anticipated, so thanks for that. Here is a guy I could put my heart into writing about the way you did with Gaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8RtayjqqIw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the reply MZ and kind words. And thanks for taking the paragraphing request as is was meant, a way to help me read posts worth reading and not as douchy over-controlling of how another person writes! Lets start with Gaga. When I first saw her I just assumed she was just another fluff princess who represents the exact opposite of the kind of authentic roots music I have devoted my life to. But on her first SNL appearance she (gloriously decked out in a costume that could only be described as intergalactic)broke into talking to the audience while she played piano about how she was just a NYC girl who followed her dreams and that she was doing what she loved and we can all do that... It moved me. It felt authentic as if she quilt up all these layers of protection so she could be completely raw with us, vulnerable. Since then she comes across pretty well in interviews. She has the real talent and has her own inner directed purpose. I wonder if the X usage isn't melting her brain a bit sometimes and making her message a bit simplistic, but for her little monsters it is working and they look to her as a life coach in a meat suit. Since I am NOT any type of visual artist I am especially impressed that she had got that going on at such a high level along with her musical talent. On the finale of American Idol (oh yeah that's how I roll!) she dropped off this 20 foot foam cliff with her dancer partner, and I don't care what she landed on, it was ballsy! She seems to be giving everything to achieve her artistic vision. I downloaded her new CD for 99 cents from Amazon during her one day promotion and haven't listened to it. I think I am more of a fan of her than her actual music, which is a bit too far in the club scene direction for this old hippie. But I have to high five her for being at her level and attempting to keep it real in a way I never got from Madonna. I always hated seeing Madonna on Letterman because she was not showing up authentically, and her schtick just didn't work for me. I would enjoy seeing her in 20 years, after her second stint in rehab, 3rd marriage with that shocking gender switcheroo in her second marriage, sitting at a piano without all the schtick. I'm guessing she will have even more to say. But for all of 25, with all of her life lessons on center stage, I have to give her big props for NOT being Amy Winehouse, and she could so easily have gone that way. So that's a start, what do you see in her? RESPONSE: Watch the HBO Madison Square Gardens video if you can (Monster Tour, from last month). She's right inside Manhattan there, where she grew up, and she goes all the way in this performance. (Note her after-show A Capella version of Born This Way). Lots of things you say here are pertinent: It felt authentic as if she quilt up all these layers of protection so she could be completely raw with us, vulnerable. . . . has her own inner directed purpose. . . . look to her as a life coach. . . She seems to be giving everything to achieve her artistic vision. . . . attempting to keep it real in a way I never got from Madonna. My take? She is so passionate and devoted to her musicand her message (inner God-given dignity of every person: For God makes no mistakes BTW) comes through non-didactically, non-sentimentally. As you say, her effect on her little monsters is real. They can't help what happens to them during a LG performanceand I have been in a live audience watching her: she does more good for each person than TM ever did (if you will excuse the hyperbole, the bitterness, the outrageousness of that declarationbut for me, it's true). No one of course is 'transformed' but her effect seems to make people a little more sincere, a little more intelligent, a little more
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Yeah, not to lose ourselves, good advice. Ironically it is when things are not working for us that we decide to find the answers somewhere else and have more of a willingness to accept anything, no matter how irrational it may seem in a more self-confident moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Re: the original message - this would be my concern about Amma and her org as well - she appears to be devolving from the original message and executing controlling directives that result in dependencies in many. Â Let alone the $$ coming in - a 21st century tithe strategy. Â Magical thinking and magical stories abound..lessons... don't lose yourself in someone or something else and each of us is responsible for our own spiritual growth. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:12 AM Â Enjoyed your blast from the past Curtis - I can totally see the judgment on the dark spirit who was banished from the scene by Maharishi's effulgence, now in retrospect realizing the poor guy probably just had to pee - too many mango smoothies that morningand the chosen Governors remained... I was not part of the reinforced indoctrination that the Governors received, but definitely bought into the absolute perfection of our dear leader. Though I recall at the time I also took seriously the Jai Guru Dev thing, respect the teacher, so I really didn't feel Maharishi was my personal guru, rather a perfect teacher (for awhile). The difference being I never had nor wanted a personal relationship with him, beyond the big Maharishi posters on my dorm walls (I did work for the MMY Press, but it was still a pretty groupie thing to do...). I never had a chance to meet him. So I hung on his every word and worked for the Movement for two and a half years. Then when it became time to take a closer look and consider becoming a teacher myself, I decided to leave instead. Just wasn't going to work out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
If you can grow lemons do you have avocados in your back yard too? That was the coolest thing about living in Florida, tropical fruits! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. **Total agreement. And the marsh mellowy part of the meringue can't have that too uniform wtf is that chemical puffiness consistency. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. **You make a good point, though Marie Callender's frozen pie crust is really close to homemade in taste and consistency. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. **I am definitely the ez bake oven baker, making a minor art form of tweaking frozen nukable food into something tasty - lol, I can see your grimace. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. **That is a very tricky bit. Yep, overcook at that point and the whole thing tastes like carbon. Last, I am lucky to have a lemon tree in the backyard and it makes great pies and juice. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. ** Yes, and happy baking to you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: #7 on the NYT Best Seller list, week of June 19th, in the Hardcover and Misc. category: You beat me to it--but it's actually the Hardcover ADVICE Misc. list. (What's with Barry saying he saw a PDF? Can't he tell PDF from HTML?) His bias, BTW, is reflected in the fact that the first thing he did after reading the Goldberg article was to run and check the NYTimes, *hoping* the book wouldn't be there. TOOO bad. You gotta laugh at his pompously ungracious I withdraw my outrage when he was eagerly *looking* for outrage--but wasn't smart enough to check how the Times organizes its bestseller lists and so ended up smearing his face with egg once again. More egg: He calls the Advice Misc. category a lesser list, but in fact the NYTimes makes it a separate list because the sales figures for advice books are so high they tend to crowd out the titles on the general nonfiction lists. Honestly, he thinks he's so smart he doesn't need to do his homework like lesser beings, but that's a fatal error. His arrogance and laziness, put together with his inability to restrain his constantly jerking knees, have made him look like a big dope more times than I can count. Anyway... The June 19 list reflects sales from the week ending June 4; the book only came out on June 2. It did fall off the list for the following week, but sales of advice-type books do tend to go up and down and up and down depending on the most recent publicity efforts. If a national TV or radio show interviews an author about such a book one week, it's likely to boost sales that week. Interviews with advice- book authors are a staple of the morning network shows. Bottom line, it's really too early to tell how this one is going to do over time. A book (again, especially an advice-type book) that starts slow may gradually become a big bestseller through word of mouth--or not, as the case may be. Note that the NYTimes lists do not include online sales, only bookstore sales. The book is currently #74 on Barnes and Noble's list (all categories), and it was #14 on Publishers Weekly's hardcover nonfiction list (the second-most prestigious after the NYTimes) for the week of June 9, although it fell off the following week. It's actually doing rather well, although nothing to compare with Bloomfield's book. (What's rather amusing is that the #1 book on the NYTimes Advice Misc. list for June 19 is the surprise runaway besteller Go the F*ck to Sleep, a parody children's book for tired parents.) Along with Barry and Buck, Goldberg also gets a bit of egg on his face, though, for the title of his article. The book may yet top the bestseller list, but it ain't doing so now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: #7 on the NYT Best Seller list, week of June 19th, in the Hardcover and Misc. category: TRANSCENDENCE, by Norman E. Rosenthal. (Jeremy P. Tarcher/Penguin, $25.95.) Healing and transformation through meditation. http://tinyurl.com/3gkxtl8 Seems like your bias is showing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Well, philo is different from puff pastry. I've never used philo for anything other than spinach pies~~which are easy and which I'll be making later this week. I agree totally about leaving some things to the professionals, though. They're either too time-consuming for what you get, or they're not nearly as good. Haven't quite gotten to that point with croissants yet, although it's close. I'll definitely let you know if I'm successful with them, Curtis. Best, Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:26 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I never went further in to pastry than figuring out the variables in pie crusts. (Sorry its half butter (flavor) and half Crisco or lard (flakiness) I'm a big bread and pizza guy. I don't believe you can get there using philo though. It will stay crunchy between levels which is what it good for. It wont blend between the levels like you get when you roll out a sheet of dough really really thin, brush it with butter and roll it into a croissant. That is one of the few foods that is best left to the professionals for me. But if I had a bigass kitchen table, and a fridge big enough to take the sheets as I roll them out. (they gotta stay chilled or you would get a goopy mess between layers) If you try it you have to report! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Well, Pillsbury makes crescent rolls, right? I haven't seen any instant croissants. And If they haven't done it it's probably not possible. Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:00 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: nuthin' says lovin' like something in the oven - Pillsbury makes some pretty good instant croissants, though all their stuff has a pronounced baking powder flavor that has to be drowned out with a lot of butter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Well, philo is different from puff pastry. Yes, I understand now. So maybe your idea has more merit than I thought. I have only used Philo and thought they were similar. If puff pastry can rise and isn't crunchy inside you might be on to something. It might be a crunchier croissants which would not be a bad thing in my book. I hope you do it! Here is a recipe I found on puffpastry.com for croissants. http://www.puffpastry.com/recipedetail.aspx?recipeID=60105rc=-1 I hope you do it and report! Curtis I've never used philo for anything other than spinach pies~~which are easy and which I'll be making later this week. I agree totally about leaving some things to the professionals, though. They're either too time-consuming for what you get, or they're not nearly as good. Haven't quite gotten to that point with croissants yet, although it's close. I'll definitely let you know if I'm successful with them, Curtis. Best, Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:26 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I never went further in to pastry than figuring out the variables in pie crusts. (Sorry its half butter (flavor) and half Crisco or lard (flakiness) I'm a big bread and pizza guy. I don't believe you can get there using philo though. It will stay crunchy between levels which is what it good for. It wont blend between the levels like you get when you roll out a sheet of dough really really thin, brush it with butter and roll it into a croissant. That is one of the few foods that is best left to the professionals for me. But if I had a bigass kitchen table, and a fridge big enough to take the sheets as I roll them out. (they gotta stay chilled or you would get a goopy mess between layers) If you try it you have to report! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: RESPONSE: Anyone who claims to have gotten there some other way than TM is just as deceived as the person who (like me) seemed to have all the empirical proof that I was enlightened through TM. Would you like to elaborate on this point ? IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GET TO ANY OTHER PLACE THAN ONESELF. There is in fact no place to get to. This is what Muktananda and Maharishi said, year after year. I don't want to hurt your feelings in any way, but do have a checking ! RESPONSE; The self I am referring to is the unique First Person self that has never been before and never will be repeated. That's what one goes into death with, and only this. The notion of becoming identified with a larger and impersonal Self (undying, unborn: the Absolute, Atman) is, based upon my own profound experience of being so identified, a fiction. The subjectivity you inadvertently expressed in this post, THAT is way more to do with who and what you are than some notion of pure consciousness. You see how violently opinionated and bigoted I am. But after all, I went through and live out the experience of Enlightenment, and even directed a kind of live, perpetual theatre (metaphysical in nature) based upon the perspective of my Enlightenment (Unity Consciousness). And everyone who came was enthralled by this performance, because it seemed to demonstrate that one's personal life was a cosmic drama. But in the end my experience and perspective proved to be false to reality, and reality took its revenge upon meafter waiting for ten years. I know all about checking: most brilliant invention of anyone in the last century I'd say. But all in the service (IMO) of mystical deceit of the mind, and the maiming of the person, and the wounding of the physiology. You will excuse my hard feelings about all this. First Person Ontology [me] versus Third Person Ontology [the Self]: I favour the realness of the former over the latter. I wouldn't come for checking because I've stopped worshipping my mantra. Are you still there, nablusoss? Thanks for your comments. By the way: it is my distinct intuition that Muktananda and Maharishi have both altered their beliefs in a most radical way since they went through the death experience. When their souls were rent asunder from their bodies. Not a fun experience, I think. I don't want to be totally take be surprise when this happens. Which is why I have turned upon these Eastern gods.
[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: masked zebra wrote: RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated impeccably and infallibly that such a ground of all being even exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the embodiment of such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I have not observed a single person who even gives evidence that they have made contact with such a fundamental form of reality. **The only person who can conclusively demonstrate it is you. Even then of course, you can fool yourself.:-) All the teachers teach are pointers to self realization. No one can give that to you. I look at it as reaching a point of mental coordination, unifying the heart and intellect so that life gets smoother. So far as I can tell, that is the big super pay off to initial self-realization, budding enlightenment, life gets smoother. Still have to do the same stuff, but it is easier. As to what one book or teacher refers to that way of living doesn't matter. It's all based on experience anyway, so if you want to call it blue cheese, please do. **I like to think of it as better coordination because coordination is based on practice and use, vs. belief, so there is nothing to memorize or keep in mind. Just a matter of coordination over time. The dawning of self-realization is mechanical. For me the 'home of all the laws of nature' is a metaphysical fiction. Sure, the EXPERIENCE seems to verify this reality (via TM), but, given how wonderfully convincing one's initial experiences are of TM (the auguring of everything MMY promises), the final pay-off (nothing to show for it, an extraordinarily disappointing trajectory of 'progress' in one's 'evolution' over decades of doing TM), logically forces one to conclude: THESE EXPERIENCES ARE FALSE; that is, they DO NOT COINCIDE WITH REALITY. There IS no such thing as Enlightenment. **Enlightenment isn't an experience. There may be a noticeable transition to establishing that first permanent candle of silence within, but once established, learning and developing and changing has to continue - nothing to hold it back, so enlightenment doesn't really point to one experience, except there may be a sudden and lasting realization of that first candle of silence being kindled. After that, life continues like it did before. RESPONSE: Is all of this coming out of your own private experience, whynotnow? If it is experimental knowledge than obviously we have a sharp disagreement. But if it is a dogma which you are attempting to verify in your own life by looking at your life from this perspective, then all that I can say is: even if you achieve enlightenment, it will represent a reality that, while as you say, is mechanically produced, nevertheless misrepresents what reality is. Saint Francis Xavier went to India to destroy those Hindu idols. And did all this within an undeniable supernatural grace. I have made the empirical discoveryafter writing 11 books (while Enlightened) and conducting countless theatrical seminars (also while enlightened) that I was profoundly DECEIVED. And I have made it my life's ambition to eliminate the deleterious effects of Maharishi and TM upon my mind and body. I sense the sincerity, clarity, and confidence in what you say in rebuttal to what I have said. But I also sense that where I have come to know what I say isif you will permit me to say thisa deeper place, closer to reality than from where you are contradicting me. But who knows? You may be dead right. It's just that I gave up a lot to become de-enlightened (powers, abilities, context), but I had no choice: life was punishing me for my error, the error of Enlightenment. Because while such a state of consciousness does indeed exist, it is createdyes, mechanicallyand sustained by mystical intelligences (devas) which ultimately do not seek the happiness of human beings. On the contrary. And I know this from direct experience. Thank you for your comments. It took me a while to get to them.
RE: [FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]
Unfortunately, no time for much participation in these wonderful discussions, but one quick point: MZ, you seem to be evaluating enlightenment, Indian spirituality, etc., on the basis of your experience of enlightenment. What makes you think your experience was the real deal, and bears any similarity to what truly enlightened people were/are experiencing? I read one of your books 20-30 years ago, and watched the RC show with fascination from the sidelines, but I didn't get the sense that you were living enlightenment. It was some sort of awakening which to you had the flavor of Unity, but your ego was very much intact, which is not the case with genuine, abiding awakening. IOW, a very preliminary glimpse, profound as it may have been, but not a standard by which anyone else's state or tradition could reliably be judged or evaluated. I say this in friendship. No negativity implied or intended. One other thing. Don't jump to conclusions. Cultivate what Zen calls don't know mind. Very helpful tool. Not only consistency, but certainty, is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
On Jun 22, 2011, at 2:07 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Well, philo is different from puff pastry. Yes, I understand now. So maybe your idea has more merit than I thought. I have only used Philo and thought they were similar. If puff pastry can rise and isn't crunchy inside you might be on to something. It might be a crunchier croissants which would not be a bad thing in my book. I hope you do it! Here is a recipe I found on puffpastry.com for croissants. http://www.puffpastry.com/recipedetail.aspx?recipeID=60105rc=-1 Yes, that's the one I saw! I hope you do it and report! I'm letting the dough thaw as I type. Sal
[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]
thx, MZ,...I agree with your overall perspective since it agrees with (imo - seems to) with Nichiren's Buddhism. Main idea: Enlightenment is a process, not an end-goal in itself. ... If true, this pov would provide an alternative to much of Advaita (especially MMY's brand), Neo-Advaita; but less of an alternative to Muktananda's Kashmir Saivism. I've seen Muktananda several times in the after-physical life state. He was trapped in the lower astral but is making gradual progress toward the higher planes (probably where his guru Nityananda is). ... However (a) if your objections to the Gods or gods include Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, Yidams, etc; I would object to that. In a way, the GOHONZON can be considered a Deity, although it's essentialy a Mandala embracing (foremost); the impersonal Holographic Principle. ... Although your statements on the surface may contradict Jim's, imo there's not much of a disagreement IF: (a) one accepts that there are certain evolutionary jumps (saltations, quantum leaps), representing discrete levels of Reality through direct realization, having listed signposts. ... But after this juncture, many of the Advaitins diverge from the eternally progressive model, stating outright that after CC or higher, (and physical death), the purpose of life has been fulfilled and there's no more finite existence (any bodies gross or subtle simply disintegrate with the components being dispersed...poof!). ... Maybe that's what you're objecting to. At any rate, this end of existence model is contradicted by Shankara; and alternative models of eternal growth and evolution may be found within Buddhism and other Traditions. ... http://www.originalpurity.org/gurulin/graphics/amiti.jpg PS: the notion of E. as a process has the advantage of being a great leveler since all sincere seekers after the truth would be in the same boat, with no claimants on a pedestal saying I've got It with the rest of the crowd somehow lower. ... If there have been any Enlightened persons in Nichiren's Buddhism, it's unlikely they would state they've arrived, since arrival is an eternal progression in that modelno end of story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: masked zebra wrote: RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated impeccably and infallibly that such a ground of all being even exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the embodiment of such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I have not observed a single person who even gives evidence that they have made contact with such a fundamental form of reality. **The only person who can conclusively demonstrate it is you. Even then of course, you can fool yourself.:-) All the teachers teach are pointers to self realization. No one can give that to you. I look at it as reaching a point of mental coordination, unifying the heart and intellect so that life gets smoother. So far as I can tell, that is the big super pay off to initial self-realization, budding enlightenment, life gets smoother. Still have to do the same stuff, but it is easier. As to what one book or teacher refers to that way of living doesn't matter. It's all based on experience anyway, so if you want to call it blue cheese, please do. **I like to think of it as better coordination because coordination is based on practice and use, vs. belief, so there is nothing to memorize or keep in mind. Just a matter of coordination over time. The dawning of self-realization is mechanical. For me the 'home of all the laws of nature' is a metaphysical fiction. Sure, the EXPERIENCE seems to verify this reality (via TM), but, given how wonderfully convincing one's initial experiences are of TM (the auguring of everything MMY promises), the final pay-off (nothing to show for it, an extraordinarily disappointing trajectory of 'progress' in one's 'evolution' over decades of doing TM), logically forces one to conclude: THESE EXPERIENCES ARE FALSE; that is, they DO NOT COINCIDE WITH REALITY. There IS no such thing as Enlightenment. **Enlightenment isn't an experience. There may be a noticeable transition to establishing that first permanent candle of silence within, but once established, learning and developing and changing has to continue - nothing to hold it back, so enlightenment doesn't really point to one experience, except there may be a sudden and lasting realization of that first candle of silence being kindled. After that, life continues like it did before. RESPONSE: Is all of this coming out of your own private experience, whynotnow? If it is experimental knowledge than obviously we have a sharp disagreement. But if it is a dogma which you are attempting to verify in your own life by looking at
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fox News Fact Check
do.rflex: Jon Stewart takes down Fox News like only he can. So, did Jon Stewart's follow-up attack on Fox News come across as spiteful? Yes, since he made a big false statement on TV in front of millions of people. His misstatement makes all his other statements seem false as well. Stewart told a fib and Manning thinks it's funny. So, I guess that makes Manning and Stewart both really stupid liars. Go figure. The way Stewart phrased the comment, it's not enough to show a sliver of evidence that Fox News' audience is ill-informed. The evidence needs to support the view that the data shows they are 'consistently' misinformed a term he used not once but three times. It's simply not true that 'every poll' shows that result. So we rate his claim False. - PolitiFact
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fox News Fact Check
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: do.rflex: Jon Stewart takes down Fox News like only he can. So, did Jon Stewart's follow-up attack on Fox News come across as spiteful? Yes, since he made a big false statement on TV in front of millions of people. His misstatement makes all his other statements seem false as well. Stewart told a fib and Manning thinks it's funny. So, I guess that makes Manning and Stewart both really stupid liars. Go figure. The way Stewart phrased the comment, it's not enough to show a sliver of evidence that Fox News' audience is ill-informed. The evidence needs to support the view that the data shows they are 'consistently' misinformed a term he used not once but three times. It's simply not true that 'every poll' shows that result. So we rate his claim False. - PolitiFact Politifact Is False: Every Poll Shows Fox News Viewers Are The Most Misinformed At DeSmogBlog, Chris Mooney debunks Politifact's false http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/20/jon-stewart/\ jon-stewart-says-those-who-watch-fox-news-are-most/ rating of Jon Stewart's claim that every poll shows Fox News viewers to be the most consistently misinformed http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201106190001 . Mooney, author of The Republican War on Science, explains that all five studies http://www.desmogblog.com/jon-stewart-1-politifact-0-fox-news-viewers-a\ re-most-misinformed done on the question find that watching Fox News and believing political misinformation on the Iraq War, global warming, health care legislation, and other contentious political issues http://www.desmogblog.com/fox-news-effect-few-references are strongly correlated. http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/06/22/251036/politifact-is-false-eve\ ry-poll-shows-fox-news-viewers-are-the-most-misinformed/
[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]
yeah, I don't really write speculatively, so yeah, based on my experience. Some people interpret stuff differently. Fine with me. I think you hit on something when you mention having given up context when you gave up Enlightenment. There is something to that, in that I must hold and identify an I am enlightened thought in order to validate the state. On the other hand I find the experiential reality of being self realized, enlightened, is that there is maybe ten percent of the volume of thoughts in the mind as before. (That, in and of itself, is a huge relief and burden lifted.) Not as much junk mail - lol. So whatever it is called or not called, enlightenment or something else, it can only claim its identity with us when we think it, and since my thoughts are much less, I don't think about enlightenment or self realization much at all. It is either there or not, doesn't matter which. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: masked zebra wrote: RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated impeccably and infallibly that such a ground of all being even exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the embodiment of such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I have not observed a single person who even gives evidence that they have made contact with such a fundamental form of reality. **The only person who can conclusively demonstrate it is you. Even then of course, you can fool yourself.:-) All the teachers teach are pointers to self realization. No one can give that to you. I look at it as reaching a point of mental coordination, unifying the heart and intellect so that life gets smoother. So far as I can tell, that is the big super pay off to initial self-realization, budding enlightenment, life gets smoother. Still have to do the same stuff, but it is easier. As to what one book or teacher refers to that way of living doesn't matter. It's all based on experience anyway, so if you want to call it blue cheese, please do. **I like to think of it as better coordination because coordination is based on practice and use, vs. belief, so there is nothing to memorize or keep in mind. Just a matter of coordination over time. The dawning of self-realization is mechanical. For me the 'home of all the laws of nature' is a metaphysical fiction. Sure, the EXPERIENCE seems to verify this reality (via TM), but, given how wonderfully convincing one's initial experiences are of TM (the auguring of everything MMY promises), the final pay-off (nothing to show for it, an extraordinarily disappointing trajectory of 'progress' in one's 'evolution' over decades of doing TM), logically forces one to conclude: THESE EXPERIENCES ARE FALSE; that is, they DO NOT COINCIDE WITH REALITY. There IS no such thing as Enlightenment. **Enlightenment isn't an experience. There may be a noticeable transition to establishing that first permanent candle of silence within, but once established, learning and developing and changing has to continue - nothing to hold it back, so enlightenment doesn't really point to one experience, except there may be a sudden and lasting realization of that first candle of silence being kindled. After that, life continues like it did before. RESPONSE: Is all of this coming out of your own private experience, whynotnow? If it is experimental knowledge than obviously we have a sharp disagreement. But if it is a dogma which you are attempting to verify in your own life by looking at your life from this perspective, then all that I can say is: even if you achieve enlightenment, it will represent a reality that, while as you say, is mechanically produced, nevertheless misrepresents what reality is. Saint Francis Xavier went to India to destroy those Hindu idols. And did all this within an undeniable supernatural grace. I have made the empirical discoveryafter writing 11 books (while Enlightened) and conducting countless theatrical seminars (also while enlightened) that I was profoundly DECEIVED. And I have made it my life's ambition to eliminate the deleterious effects of Maharishi and TM upon my mind and body. I sense the sincerity, clarity, and confidence in what you say in rebuttal to what I have said. But I also sense that where I have come to know what I say isif you will permit me to say thisa deeper place, closer to reality than from where you are contradicting me. But who knows? You may be dead right. It's just that I gave up a lot to become de-enlightened (powers, abilities, context), but I had no choice: life was punishing me for my error, the error of Enlightenment. Because while such a state of consciousness does indeed exist, it is createdyes, mechanicallyand sustained by mystical
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Thursday Evening Mother Chants
Location: 51 N. Court East Entrance Fairfield, IA 52556 Mother Chants Join us for a wonderful evening of traditional Vedic chants to Divine Mother, including: Samputita Sri SuktamThe essential message of the Sri Suktam is that Divine Mother's true form is in the beautiful, cosmic golden light of divine consciousness that shines in the hearts of all creatures. When chanting the Sri Suktam, we are asking Mother to drench us with that golden light. Khadga Mala Chanting the Khadga Mala Stotram is a very important practice for coming closer to Mother, and ultimately this practice leads to liberation from all the inner enemies and divine union with the blissful consciousness of Sri Lalita Parameswari herself. The stotram contains the names of all the divine saktis located within the Sri Chakra, or Sri Yantra Sri Mahishasura Mardhini This stotram is like a garland of flowers strung together and being offered to Jaganmata - Divine Mother as a token of gratitude and reverence. It is said that it has the same potential as any vedic mantra because it contains all powerful Sanskrit bijaksharas.
[FairfieldLife] question for MZ
Hi. I'm a long-term lurker and very occasional poster on FFL. I had a close high school friend who went to MIU a few years before I did. He, as a freshman, attended your meetings and got royally confused and left MIU and the Movement, enrolling in Messiah College. From Maharishi to Messiah. These days, he's a Calvinist. By the time I got to MIU as a staff member, it was clear that RC was a dirty word. I picked up bits and pieces of the melodrama during that time and in later years. If you would, please tell me what the questions were you put to Maharishi in the lawsuit and what his responses were. I've wondered that for years.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi on the complete meaning of Yoga
Maharishi on the complete meaning of Yoga by Bob Roth http://www.tm.org/blog/author/bob-roth/ on May 11, 2010 [Post image for Maharishi on the complete meaning of Yoga] During an international news conference held in 2007 from Maharishi European Research University in Holland, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.tm.org/maharishi answered a question from a reporter on the widespread practice of physical yoga postures, which has become a trend throughout the world. Maharishi was asked his advice for people who practice this physical form of Yoga http://www.tm.org/blog/yoga/doing-yoga-russell-simmons/ . Yoga means `unity'it means living unified wholeness in the field of diversity, Maharishi said. My advice is to continue practicing Yoga on the physical levelbut also to start and continue to practice Yoga http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/the-yoga-sutra-and-deep-meditation/ on all other levelsmental, intellectual, and on the level of self-referral, Transcendental consciousness. On all levels, Yoga will help you to progress in every way, in every field of life. Maharishi explained that Transcendental Meditation http://www.mum.edu/tm is Yoga. I had to give it a new nameTranscendental Meditationbecause I felt Yoga has been commonly misunderstood in terms of the physical level alone. Maharishi said that a great Yoga truth is that Yoga is superior action. When you want a superior quality of action, then you should practice Yoga on all levels, Maharishi said. Yoga is a good word, but it should be properly understood and practiced beyond the physical level. The result will be a rapid, holistic evolution of life. http://www.tm.org/contact-us Related posts: 1. Samadhi is the beginning, not the end of Yoga http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/samadhi-yoga/ 2. Doing yoga with Russell Simmons http://www.tm.org/blog/yoga/doing-yoga-russell-simmons/ 3. TM the effect of ahimsa in the Yoga Sutra http://www.tm.org/blog/yoga/yoga-sutra-of-peace/ 4. The yoga sutra and deep meditation http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/the-yoga-sutra-and-deep-meditation/ 5. Maharishi: A rare glimpse into the message of meditation from 40 years ago http://www.tm.org/blog/nhp/maharishi-transcendental-meditation-lake-lou\ ise/ Tagged as: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.tm.org/blog/tag/maharishi-mahesh-yogi/ , Yoga http://www.tm.org/blog/tag/yoga/
[FairfieldLife] DEATH MEDITATION
TUK THAM: Living on in the body after having died: http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1- 8-47-video-4246846 http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1-8 -47-video-4246846
Re: [FairfieldLife] DEATH MEDITATION
DEATH MEDITATION Think we can get any more morbid, Rick? :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: DEATH MEDITATION
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: TUK THAM: Living on in the body after having died: I like how they keep pulling his hair for the TV guys! I'm not buying that we have enough info on how rare this is because leaving a body in this situation itself is rare. The sniff test doesn't do it for me either. And if you can pull his hair maybe they can draw some blood to microscopically test if it is degrading inside. In fact get a colonoscopy scope from one end and and endoscopy scope from the other like an air tight frat girl. I'm ready to say this is interesting when we have how much it degraded further matched with the room temp. Did they say 16? That is 60 in the system of temperature God wants us to use, Fahrenheit. Not my fridge, but certainly cool enough to slow down decomp. (Yeah I watch CSI and know such insider abbreviations!) So I'm not freaked out yet. I need more info. What is the deviance range of people under these conditions? Are some people's systems too alkaline or acid to support quick growth. Was he fasting for a while before so his gut and GI tract was empty so he wouldn't bloat? Was there ever any post mortem wood detected. (try in the morning) Inquiring ghoulish minds want to know! http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1- 8-47-video-4246846 http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1-8 -47-video-4246846
[FairfieldLife] Re: DEATH MEDITATION
http://www.dangerouscreation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ghoul.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: TUK THAM: Living on in the body after having died: http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1- 8-47-video-4246846 http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1-8 -47-video-4246846
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: DEATH MEDITATION
Kind of icky. Reminds me of what my wife says sometimes, just because you can doesn't mean you should --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: TUK THAM: Living on in the body after having died: http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1- 8-47-video-4246846 http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/dead-buddhist-man-in-death-meditation-part-1-8 -47-video-4246846
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
You are right. Oh well. Maybe if you put on a beret, some french music, pour a glass of bordeaux and THEN eat the Pillsbury crescent roll, the effect will be achieved. I suppose it depends on the size of that glass of wine... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Well, Pillsbury makes crescent rolls, right? I haven't seen any instant croissants. And If they haven't done it it's probably not possible. Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:00 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: nuthin' says lovin' like something in the oven - Pillsbury makes some pretty good instant croissants, though all their stuff has a pronounced baking powder flavor that has to be drowned out with a lot of butter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
[FairfieldLife] Disreputable places of Haven
Haven, Nevada, 1905 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/36934.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
damned right dude - biggest crop one year was about 400 avos(!). The tree is about 50 feet tall and 60 years old. All organic. Average yield is 100 to 200 per season. This year the crop was tiny, maybe 50, and I share half with the squirrels. If they gnaw it before I get to it, its theirs. The wind sometimes kicks up around pollinating season and knocks a lot of the avocado flowers off. Also have two orange trees. Still have a lot of fruit on one of them. The lemon tree at any one time has 60 to 100 lemons. Might be a Meyer, but not really sure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: If you can grow lemons do you have avocados in your back yard too? That was the coolest thing about living in Florida, tropical fruits! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. **Total agreement. And the marsh mellowy part of the meringue can't have that too uniform wtf is that chemical puffiness consistency. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. **You make a good point, though Marie Callender's frozen pie crust is really close to homemade in taste and consistency. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. **I am definitely the ez bake oven baker, making a minor art form of tweaking frozen nukable food into something tasty - lol, I can see your grimace. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. **That is a very tricky bit. Yep, overcook at that point and the whole thing tastes like carbon. Last, I am lucky to have a lemon tree in the backyard and it makes great pies and juice. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. ** Yes, and happy baking to you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence: Topping The Bestseller List Since 1975 by Philip Gold
I figured you'd spot that one. Yep, it was Hardcover Advice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: #7 on the NYT Best Seller list, week of June 19th, in the Hardcover and Misc. category: You beat me to it--but it's actually the Hardcover ADVICE Misc. list. (What's with Barry saying he saw a PDF? Can't he tell PDF from HTML?) His bias, BTW, is reflected in the fact that the first thing he did after reading the Goldberg article was to run and check the NYTimes, *hoping* the book wouldn't be there. TOOO bad. You gotta laugh at his pompously ungracious I withdraw my outrage when he was eagerly *looking* for outrage--but wasn't smart enough to check how the Times organizes its bestseller lists and so ended up smearing his face with egg once again. More egg: He calls the Advice Misc. category a lesser list, but in fact the NYTimes makes it a separate list because the sales figures for advice books are so high they tend to crowd out the titles on the general nonfiction lists. Honestly, he thinks he's so smart he doesn't need to do his homework like lesser beings, but that's a fatal error. His arrogance and laziness, put together with his inability to restrain his constantly jerking knees, have made him look like a big dope more times than I can count. Anyway... The June 19 list reflects sales from the week ending June 4; the book only came out on June 2. It did fall off the list for the following week, but sales of advice-type books do tend to go up and down and up and down depending on the most recent publicity efforts. If a national TV or radio show interviews an author about such a book one week, it's likely to boost sales that week. Interviews with advice- book authors are a staple of the morning network shows. Bottom line, it's really too early to tell how this one is going to do over time. A book (again, especially an advice-type book) that starts slow may gradually become a big bestseller through word of mouth--or not, as the case may be. Note that the NYTimes lists do not include online sales, only bookstore sales. The book is currently #74 on Barnes and Noble's list (all categories), and it was #14 on Publishers Weekly's hardcover nonfiction list (the second-most prestigious after the NYTimes) for the week of June 9, although it fell off the following week. It's actually doing rather well, although nothing to compare with Bloomfield's book. (What's rather amusing is that the #1 book on the NYTimes Advice Misc. list for June 19 is the surprise runaway besteller Go the F*ck to Sleep, a parody children's book for tired parents.) Along with Barry and Buck, Goldberg also gets a bit of egg on his face, though, for the title of his article. The book may yet top the bestseller list, but it ain't doing so now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: #7 on the NYT Best Seller list, week of June 19th, in the Hardcover and Misc. category: TRANSCENDENCE, by Norman E. Rosenthal. (Jeremy P. Tarcher/Penguin, $25.95.) Healing and transformation through meditation. http://tinyurl.com/3gkxtl8 Seems like your bias is showing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It seems a very sad thing that they can't even see what they are doing. TM improves moral reasoning, right. Who wrote that release? This is someone you'd trust in life? The claim that it was on the NYT Bestseller List seems to come from a June 15 blurb on...wait for it...Global Good News: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=13083723671654678 However, a search of the Top 100 fails to find it, and a search of all lists from May and June seems to not find it. It appears that someone at Global Good News basically made up the bestseller idea and Phil Goldberg just parroted it. How TM of him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
On Jun 21, 2011, at 9:41 PM, emptybill wrote: Effort ... isn't that what TM-Sidhi practice finally amounts to in reality? Prayatna is the actual word Patanjai uses. Not everyone had authentic Patanjali instruction. Apparently you're yet another one. Any meditation the relies on alambanas requires prayatna. Maybe I should write Patanjali for Dummies? Prayatnam. persevering effort , continued exertion or endeavour , exertion bestowed on (loc. or comp.) , activity , action
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:21 AM, sparaig wrote: So setting oneself up to hop around is fabricated and therefore not spontaneous. OK. fine lines there, you must admit. Meditation is a subtle kind of thing. So such fine distinctions are just the nature of the territory.
