Re: [FairfieldLife] Memorandum 1: Smoothing things out

[Emily Reyn]

Whoops, numbering issues - see what happens when I, Emilina sends off drafts - 
she is getting so lazy.  No, Emilina is not smoking anything.  Alright, on to 
the GORY DETAILS Memorandum.  



 From: Emily Reyn 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Memorandum 1:  Smoothing things out
 

Whoops, font issues.  Get out your reading glasses.  Sorry.  I'm a hopeless 
case in these matters.  



 From: Emily Reyn 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Memorandum 1:  Smoothing things out
 

  


Dear Curtis:  I submit this first memorandum in an effort to smooth things over 
with you on this auspicious Thursday.  Feel free to parse the sparse details of 
it at your leisure.  MEMORANDUM TWO - GORY DETAILS will follow.  I promise not 
to write more than three Memorandums.  I promise not to exit on an exotic 
vacation to "anywhere but here."  I have taken the luxury of stealing your name 
Emilina for this story (such a cute name; sounds like Thumbelina doesn't it?), 
but have switched up your original context just a bit, in the interest of 
creative expression and to serve up the larger goals of coolness and smoothness 
in my post.  I will work hard to prevent what was "a series of unfortunate 
events" (to also steal the title from Lemony Snicket) from turning into an epic 
fail.   

MEMORANDUM ONE

To: Curtis, gentle reader on FFL

From:  Emilina, HR Department

RE:  HISTORY BEHIND:  "Alright, I will say it: Emily did a major number on my 
ass. "

Acting as the HR department here at FFL Central Cinema (FFL for short), it has 
come to I, Emilina's attention that there was a situation a couple of weeks 
back that warrants closure. Said situation has the following history (in 
summary and paraphrased):

1)  Emily, a well-nigh saintly actress-in-training, (no relation to me, 
Emilina) received a distressing email regarding her "butting in" on an exchange 
between Curtis and Robin, two of our most famous lead actors.  Emily had 
written a post to Curtis which played off of an ironic post by Robin, that was 
intended as humor (embedded with a few tiny teasing tweaks). She had followed 
up with a post that included a video of "Clash of the Titans" and a few more 
teasing remarks to both Robin and Curtis as they moved their exchange off-line.

2) Subsequent to this, Emily received a personal email  marked *Private* where 
the author, unknown to Emily accept in name only took her to task for egging on 
Robin, potentially putting Curtis's employment at risk, and amongst a few other 
put-downs, implied that she was taking some kind of sick pleasure in it all, 
deferring to an unstated word for what that was.  

2) Emily, who values her privacy and who currently acts under a false (but at 
least pronounceable) name reacted emotionally to this rude and inappropriate 
email and replied to Sal, negating several of her allegations and suggesting 
she post the email to FFL.

3) Emily, in a continued state of emotional turmoil, forwarded, (with no real 
forethought whatsoever, feeling the sober reality of having been verbally 
assaulted outside the context of FFL), the unseemly email to Judy and Curtis, 
two people she remembered knew Sal, and asking for review.   Within an hour or 
two, Emily realized in horror (I, Emilina go in for drama, you must forgive 
me), that she had made a terrible error in judgment.  She had, in fact, *also* 
crossed into personal domains.  

4) Emily determined, after additional review, that she was going to have to 
address the email more definitively with Sal, not personally, but on FFL, where 
it should have been posted in the first place, given that the topic was 
directly related to her posts on FFL. Emily was not comfortable sending back a 
personal email to Sal setting a definitive boundary. She didn't want to risk 
the possibility that Sal might start up an exchange with her, given the 
malevolence of her first private email. However, Emily, having a semblance of 
ethical standards, decided to respect the private intent of the email, no 
matter how aggrieved she was.  So, she posted what she thought was a clear 
message to FFL the next day, explaining what happened and basically asking Sal 
not to ever email her again.  

5) Emily missed the obvious (thick-headed hun that she is sometimes) that 
she had sent Sal's email to two lead actors that have a history of lengthy 
debates.  

Now, by this time, Emily realized she was in a bit of a pickle.  Although she 
had moved the topic of Sal's unkindly email to FFL where it should have been in 
the first place, she had requested that it remain private. Now this resulted in 
only three people being able discuss it and its relevance to the larger 
situation of how fucked up Emily was or wasn't for writing that (highly 
acclaimed by a few) heavily plagia

Re: [FairfieldLife] Memorandum 1: Smoothing things out

[Emily Reyn]

Whoops, font issues.  Get out your reading glasses.  Sorry.  I'm a hopeless 
case in these matters.  



 From: Emily Reyn 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Memorandum 1:  Smoothing things out
 

  


Dear Curtis:  I submit this first memorandum in an effort to smooth things over 
with you on this auspicious Thursday.  Feel free to parse the sparse details of 
it at your leisure.  MEMORANDUM TWO - GORY DETAILS will follow.  I promise not 
to write more than three Memorandums.  I promise not to exit on an exotic 
vacation to "anywhere but here."  I have taken the luxury of stealing your name 
Emilina for this story (such a cute name; sounds like Thumbelina doesn't it?), 
but have switched up your original context just a bit, in the interest of 
creative expression and to serve up the larger goals of coolness and smoothness 
in my post.  I will work hard to prevent what was "a series of unfortunate 
events" (to also steal the title from Lemony Snicket) from turning into an epic 
fail.   

MEMORANDUM ONE

To: Curtis, gentle reader on FFL

From:  Emilina, HR Department

RE:  HISTORY BEHIND:  "Alright, I will say it: Emily did a major number on my 
ass. "

Acting as the HR department here at FFL Central Cinema (FFL for short), it has 
come to I, Emilina's attention that there was a situation a couple of weeks 
back that warrants closure. Said situation has the following history (in 
summary and paraphrased):

1)  Emily, a well-nigh saintly actress-in-training, (no relation to me, 
Emilina) received a distressing email regarding her "butting in" on an exchange 
between Curtis and Robin, two of our most famous lead actors.  Emily had 
written a post to Curtis which played off of an ironic post by Robin, that was 
intended as humor (embedded with a few tiny teasing tweaks). She had followed 
up with a post that included a video of "Clash of the Titans" and a few more 
teasing remarks to both Robin and Curtis as they moved their exchange off-line.

2) Subsequent to this, Emily received a personal email  marked *Private* where 
the author, unknown to Emily accept in name only took her to task for egging on 
Robin, potentially putting Curtis's employment at risk, and amongst a few other 
put-downs, implied that she was taking some kind of sick pleasure in it all, 
deferring to an unstated word for what that was.  

2) Emily, who values her privacy and who currently acts under a false (but at 
least pronounceable) name reacted emotionally to this rude and inappropriate 
email and replied to Sal, negating several of her allegations and suggesting 
she post the email to FFL.

3) Emily, in a continued state of emotional turmoil, forwarded, (with no real 
forethought whatsoever, feeling the sober reality of having been verbally 
assaulted outside the context of FFL), the unseemly email to Judy and Curtis, 
two people she remembered knew Sal, and asking for review.   Within an hour or 
two, Emily realized in horror (I, Emilina go in for drama, you must forgive 
me), that she had made a terrible error in judgment.  She had, in fact, *also* 
crossed into personal domains.  

4) Emily determined, after additional review, that she was going to have to 
address the email more definitively with Sal, not personally, but on FFL, where 
it should have been posted in the first place, given that the topic was 
directly related to her posts on FFL. Emily was not comfortable sending back a 
personal email to Sal setting a definitive boundary. She didn't want to risk 
the possibility that Sal might start up an exchange with her, given the 
malevolence of her first private email. However, Emily, having a semblance of 
ethical standards, decided to respect the private intent of the email, no 
matter how aggrieved she was.  So, she posted what she thought was a clear 
message to FFL the next day, explaining what happened and basically asking Sal 
not to ever email her again.  

5) Emily missed the obvious (thick-headed hun that she is sometimes) that 
she had sent Sal's email to two lead actors that have a history of lengthy 
debates.  

Now, by this time, Emily realized she was in a bit of a pickle.  Although she 
had moved the topic of Sal's unkindly email to FFL where it should have been in 
the first place, she had requested that it remain private. Now this resulted in 
only three people being able discuss it and its relevance to the larger 
situation of how fucked up Emily was or wasn't for writing that (highly 
acclaimed by a few) heavily plagiarized offending first post:  Emily, Curtis, 
and Judy. (Sal was nowhere to be found). Emily was preparing to leave on 
vacation to celebrate her upcoming 50th birthday and that left just Judy and 
Curtis in the scene.  She had exited stage left to attend to her vacation 
packing.  But, she continued to lurk and she became more and more nonplussed at 
the assumptions Curtis was presenting 

[FairfieldLife] Memorandum 1: Smoothing things out

[Emily Reyn]

Dear Curtis:  I submit this first memorandum in an effort to smooth things over 
with you on this auspicious Thursday.  Feel free to parse the sparse details of 
it at your leisure.  MEMORANDUM TWO - GORY DETAILS will follow.  I promise not 
to write more than three Memorandums.  I promise not to exit on an exotic 
vacation to "anywhere but here."  I have taken the luxury of stealing your name 
Emilina for this story (such a cute name; sounds like Thumbelina doesn't it?), 
but have switched up your original context just a bit, in the interest of 
creative expression and to serve up the larger goals of coolness and smoothness 
in my post.  I will work hard to prevent what was "a series of unfortunate 
events" (to also steal the title from Lemony Snicket) from turning into an epic 
fail.   

MEMORANDUM ONE

To: Curtis, gentle reader on FFL

From:  Emilina, HR Department

RE:  HISTORY BEHIND:  "Alright, I will say it: Emily did a major number on my 
ass. "

Acting as the HR department here at FFL Central Cinema (FFL for short), it has 
come to I, Emilina's attention that there was a situation a couple of weeks 
back that warrants closure. Said situation has the following history (in 
summary and paraphrased):

1)  Emily, a well-nigh saintly actress-in-training, (no relation to me, 
Emilina) received a distressing email regarding her "butting in" on an exchange 
between Curtis and Robin, two of our most famous lead actors.  Emily had 
written a post to Curtis which played off of an ironic post by Robin, that was 
intended as humor (embedded with a few tiny teasing tweaks). She had followed 
up with a post that included a video of "Clash of the Titans" and a few more 
teasing remarks to both Robin and Curtis as they moved their exchange off-line.

2) Subsequent to this, Emily received a personal email  marked *Private* where 
the author, unknown to Emily accept in name only took her to task for egging on 
Robin, potentially putting Curtis's employment at risk, and amongst a few other 
put-downs, implied that she was taking some kind of sick pleasure in it all, 
deferring to an unstated word for what that was.  

2) Emily, who values her privacy and who currently acts under a false (but at 
least pronounceable) name reacted emotionally to this rude and inappropriate 
email and replied to Sal, negating several of her allegations and suggesting 
she post the email to FFL.

3) Emily, in a continued state of emotional turmoil, forwarded, (with no real 
forethought whatsoever, feeling the sober reality of having been verbally 
assaulted outside the context of FFL), the unseemly email to Judy and Curtis, 
two people she remembered knew Sal, and asking for review.   Within an hour or 
two, Emily realized in horror (I, Emilina go in for drama, you must forgive 
me), that she had made a terrible error in judgment.  She had, in fact, *also* 
crossed into personal domains.  

4) Emily determined, after additional review, that she was going to have to 
address the email more definitively with Sal, not personally, but on FFL, where 
it should have been posted in the first place, given that the topic was 
directly related to her posts on FFL. Emily was not comfortable sending back a 
personal email to Sal setting a definitive boundary. She didn't want to risk 
the possibility that Sal might start up an exchange with her, given the 
malevolence of her first private email. However, Emily, having a semblance of 
ethical standards, decided to respect the private intent of the email, no 
matter how aggrieved she was.  So, she posted what she thought was a clear 
message to FFL the next day, explaining what happened and basically asking Sal 
not to ever email her again.  

5) Emily missed the obvious (thick-headed hun that she is sometimes) that 
she had sent Sal's email to two lead actors that have a history of lengthy 
debates.  

Now, by this time, Emily realized she was in a bit of a pickle.  Although she 
had moved the topic of Sal's unkindly email to FFL where it should have been in 
the first place, she had requested that it remain private. Now this resulted in 
only three people being able discuss it and its relevance to the larger 
situation of how fucked up Emily was or wasn't for writing that (highly 
acclaimed by a few) heavily plagiarized offending first post:  Emily, Curtis, 
and Judy. (Sal was nowhere to be found). Emily was preparing to leave on 
vacation to celebrate her upcoming 50th birthday and that left just Judy and 
Curtis in the scene.  She had exited stage left to attend to her vacation 
packing.  But, she continued to lurk and she became more and more nonplussed at 
the assumptions Curtis was presenting re: her motivations and intentions.  

Note:  I, Emilina, will sanction Emily appropriately by labeling her as a 
Mistress of the Inadvertent Setup.  

7) Emily determined once again, actress-in-training that she is, that she was 
going to have to go back on record before she left to address the situa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:19 PM, obbajeeba  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://vimeo.com/39497405
> > > >
> > >
> > > Very creative and funny! I simply enjoy the creative spirit in people.
> > >
> > > How about we post again next Wednesday as Share has suggested?
> > > Today was a success, if for nothing else, FFL seemed more quiet.
> > >
> > > And Judy, you're correct...nothing was decided regarding FFL.
> > > Those that want to participate will, those that don't won't.
> >
> > That's right. Or they can post their creative stuff or neat
> > finds whenever they're so inclined.
> >
> > > And it doesn't matter if you wear pajamas or not. Why don't
> > > you give it a shot, yes?
> >
> > I've done so many times, actually. But I do it when I feel
> > like it. I prefer it when those kinds of posts from others
> > are sprinkled throughout the week, as they've always been.
> > Little surprises here and there to brighten the day.
> >
>
> My knitted boyfriend got stabbed by the knitting needle and bled all over
> the sheets, blaming it on my period, the blood. He went to the doctor and
> he told the doctor I stabbed him with the needle, so the doctor wanted to
> draw blood too, when he told the doctor what I was wearing under the now
> blood tinged sheets, and the doctor kept stabbing and stabbing and
> stabbing, saying this was only going to hurt the first few times. The
> doctor stopped, sighed. Smoked a cigarette. The end.
>
> Perfect story for a Mangal/Rahu in Scorpio, exalted Chandra passes Ketu,
> plowing towards the Guru kind of day. :)
>


Oh my effing God - where have you been my dear Obba, so good to see you
here again !!!

Oh you don't know how I have suffered while you were away, hoping for this
day, in spite of being constantly needled by all kinds of different morons
here - oh please stay, for me, Obba.

Love,
Ravi

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:

> >> I suppose I missed the sarcasm mostly. I sensed it. This essay
> >> by Robin is a lot less opaque than most of his writing. It is 
> >> always the suspicion that in the end, Robin will declare that
> >> he alone is the arbitrator of what the ultimate reality is.
> > 
> > I assume that's meant to be humorous, since there's zero
> > basis for such a suspicion.
> 
> I think the probability is significantly greater than
> zero. We disagree.

You're welcome to hold whatever opinion you like, even
if it's foolishly inaccurate, as this one is.


> >> I was not asking you to explain what Robin says. I can read
> >> that, and I can either understand or misunderstand that. What
> >> I was asking is how you interpret what Robin says.
> > 
> > I interpret it to mean that it's good to make an effort to
> > come as close as we can to understanding what the reality
> > is of any particular situation.
> 
> I would say reality would be equal in all situations

It's not clear what "equal" could mean here. Reality is
different in different situations. When it's raining in
New York City, the reality is that it's raining in New
York City. When it's sunny in New York City, the reality
is that it's sunny in New York City.

> and it is not possible to fully understand it

Think that might be why I said "come as close as we can"?


> > Robin does not believe human beings are simply evolutionary
> > accidents; he believes the fact of our individual first-
> > personness is evidence that we have been intentionally
> > created. If that's the case, what created us would have to
> > be more powerful than we are, and obviously necessary for
> > us to exist in the first place.
> 
> I think that is correct. I think Robin is still adhearing
> to some kind of Christian outlook on life, just hiding the
> fact by expressing it covertly, like TM adherents do for
> Hindu practices.

Robin does not adhere to or believe in any religion, and
he's been very explicit about what he *does* believe, so
it's pretty foolish to suggest he's "hiding" a Christian
outlook on life or "expressing it covertly."

You don't have to be a Hindu to believe in reincarnation;
you don't have to be a Christian to believe we're created
beings. You don't have to be an adherent of any religion
to hold those beliefs.

> >> I happen, unlike some on this forum, to think Robin is
> >> sane, with a very intricate intellect, somewhat devious
> >> at times.
> > 
> > You keep saying this, but you've never made a good case
> > for any "deviousness" on his part. As far as I can see,
> > your argument is that because you don't understand what
> > he's saying, he must be trying to confuse you.
> 
> But it could also be that he can't be understood because
> it is incoherent though intellectually skilful.

Seems quite coherent to me.

> Robin does not have my trust.

Obviously.

> >> Robin says:
> >> 
> >> 'Ultimately, in my opinion, the only philosophy which
> >> survives--and I believe will survive right through the
> >> experience of dying--is that philosophy whereby *one is
> >> willing to do anything in order to know and represent
> >> what the truth is*--but not conceptually, dogmatically;
> >> rather through experimental knowledge.' 
> > 
> > (I've put the first part of the sentence back in for
> > clarity.)
> 
> This is pretty much the Christian view of things, for those
> with a literal fundamentalist bent.

No, Xeno, it really isn't.

> It is also the view of Eastern karma rebirth beliefs. But in
> order to know this you have to die first.

I don't think you've quite understood him.

> >> Now I like this passage, but it applies just as much to
> >> Eastern philosophy as to the West. Dying is not necessarily
> >> physical.
> > 
> > Robin is talking about physical death.
> 
> This is what I was hoping was not the case. The ultimate
> carrot on the stick. What you want cannot be achieved now,
> you have to kick the bucket first.

No, that isn't what he's saying AT ALL.

> Then, as long as we are discussing this, it will not be
> possible to 'the only philosophy which survives--and I
> believe will survive right through the experience of
> dying--is that philosophy whereby *one is willing to do
> anything in order to know and represent what the truth
> is*--but not conceptually, dogmatically; rather through 
> experimental knowledge.' That would mean you have to die
> to find out. Certainly you will not be telling anybody
> what you found. So why does Robin just not kill himself
> to find out? Because doctrinally it is a sin to off
> yourself within the Christian matrix?

You've read a whole lot into what he wrote that isn't
there, Xeno. He's talking about a philosophy of life,
what you practice experimentally while you're alive,
getting as close to reality as you can and mak

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  http://vimeo.com/39497405
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Very creative and funny! I simply enjoy the creative spirit in people.
> > > 
> > > How about we post again next Wednesday as Share has suggested? 
> > > Today was a success, if for nothing else, FFL seemed more quiet.
> > > 
> > > And Judy, you're correct...nothing was decided regarding FFL.
> > > Those that want to participate will, those that don't won't.
> > 
> > That's right. Or they can post their creative stuff or neat
> > finds whenever they're so inclined.
> > 
> > > And it doesn't matter if you wear pajamas or not. Why don't
> > > you give it a shot, yes?
> > 
> > I've done so many times, actually. But I do it when I feel
> > like it. I prefer it when those kinds of posts from others
> > are sprinkled throughout the week, as they've always been.
> > Little surprises here and there to brighten the day.
> >
> 
> My knitted boyfriend got stabbed by the knitting needle and bled all over the 
> sheets, blaming it on my period, the blood. He went to the doctor and he told 
> the doctor I stabbed him with the needle, so the doctor wanted to draw blood 
> too, when he told the doctor what I was wearing under the now blood tinged 
> sheets, and the doctor kept stabbing and stabbing and stabbing, saying this 
> was only going to hurt the first few times. The doctor stopped, sighed. 
> Smoked a cigarette. The end. 
> 
> Perfect story for a Mangal/Rahu in Scorpio, exalted Chandra passes Ketu, 
> plowing towards the Guru kind of day. :)

Crickey, I forgot. You have been away and now are back. Look at what you wrote. 
Amazing. Confounding but amazing. I only realize it now because you are back 
and you hit me with a whomp.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors

[Share Long]

Well my Mom was born in Chattanooga, TN.  Maybe that explains the bacon bits.  
Heck, I was born in DC which is also below the Mason Dixon line.  Of course 
Maryland where I grew up can't be considered the deep South.  A border state in 
the Civil War.

Oh my God and the first time I brought tofu to my sister's house.  Her five 
year old Matthew just stood there staring at it.  Then totally serious, as only 
a five year old can be, he asked, "Aunt Sharon, can I pet it?" 




 From: mjackson74 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors
 

  

Yeah my mother has never understood how making vegetable soup with liberal 
amounts of beef in it makes it not vegetable soup, but I must admit it is 
pretty standard to do that in the Deep South

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, really good to get that one cleared up.  Not that I've been 
> > following it, mind you.  Not ever since I first became a vegetarian and my 
> > Mom put bacon bits in the vegetarian soup!
> >
> 
> ...or made vegetable soup using chicken stock!
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: mjackson74 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:45 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] More on Rumors
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably still 
> > on Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - he was 
> > browsing among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled upon the 
> > tape where Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what your mother 
> > fed you." which in my day was used as an excuse by many initiators to 
> > gobble up as much ice cream and other refined sugar since M also said 
> > "refined sugar for refined consciousness."
> > 
> > Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were "eat 
> > what your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed you, 
> > those things that you know to be good for you."
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Seeking understanding

[mjackson74]

I would still like to know what the WYMS were. 

I say this as I prepare to sleep listening to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the 
Moon. It doesn't aggravate vata one bit.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[obbajeeba]

I am shocked, stunned, petrified. I see no post by Nabby defending anything on 
this thread!  OMFG!  How cool!  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> What was WYMS?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: laughinggull108 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:35 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > That sounds just like Claire - I wanted to send this to you privately cuz I 
> > didn't want to seem mean to Claire - she got furious with me and two other 
> > people on the sidhi preps - I was getting to use a week of my credit and 
> > she was there in the dining room at Pinehurst and offered three of us some 
> > chutney her mother had made - she made a big shoe of it and was praising it 
> > to high heaven - now mind you, we had been rounding for some days. 
> > 
> > I tasted it and it tasted like vinegar and nothing else. I looked at the 
> > other two people at my table and they were both looking and me and each 
> > other, no one saying anything and Claire in that high pitched voice of hers 
> > was wanting us to praise the chutney as she was - I finally said it tastes 
> > like vinegar to me and the other two agreed.
> > 
> > Claire jumped up from her chair, stomped over to our table, snatched the 
> > jar up, and stormed back to her seat, saying over her shoulder in the most 
> > offended voice imaginable "Pearls before swine!"
> > 
> > She was on MD last I heard - she was so large when she went on, I heard 
> > Triguna made her go on a strict diet, no sugar or breads and she supposedly 
> > lost a lot of weight.
> > 
> > Did you ever do any of the sidh prep course in the late '70s at Pinehurst 
> > or Boone? That is when I was around?
> > 
> 
> Yes, she did lose alot of weight on MD. Nope, I did AEGTC at the Manor end of 
> 1977 and early 1978 then stayed on staff until after Vedic Science. Things 
> were really hopping around the Manor those years...first WPA at Amherst, 
> Central America Peace Projects, Sidha businesses, Vedic Atoms, early Purusha, 
> Washington DC, Neil Paterson and his team of Canadian "WYMS", then Vedic 
> Science. A wonderful, lively time of the Movement, and it was a pleasure to 
> be part of it all. Nothing like the negative things that some people write 
> about Maharishi or the Movement.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: laughinggull108 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:47 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> > > 
> > 
> > Another fun story about Claire: She wore glasses just about all the time. 
> > One day she came into the TM Center not wearing them and she had this 
> > "glazed" looked about her. She started telling us that she had had a great 
> > morning meditation that had corrected her vision so that she no longer 
> > needed glasses. She was kind of floating around the center. Of course, this 
> > changed back to "normal" at the end of the day!
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > >
> > >  http://vimeo.com/39497405
> > >
> > 
> > Very creative and funny! I simply enjoy the creative spirit in people.
> > 
> > How about we post again next Wednesday as Share has suggested? 
> > Today was a success, if for nothing else, FFL seemed more quiet.
> > 
> > And Judy, you're correct...nothing was decided regarding FFL.
> > Those that want to participate will, those that don't won't.
> 
> That's right. Or they can post their creative stuff or neat
> finds whenever they're so inclined.
> 
> > And it doesn't matter if you wear pajamas or not. Why don't
> > you give it a shot, yes?
> 
> I've done so many times, actually. But I do it when I feel
> like it. I prefer it when those kinds of posts from others
> are sprinkled throughout the week, as they've always been.
> Little surprises here and there to brighten the day.
>

My knitted boyfriend got stabbed by the knitting needle and bled all over the 
sheets, blaming it on my period, the blood. He went to the doctor and he told 
the doctor I stabbed him with the needle, so the doctor wanted to draw blood 
too, when he told the doctor what I was wearing under the now blood tinged 
sheets, and the doctor kept stabbing and stabbing and stabbing, saying this was 
only going to hurt the first few times. The doctor stopped, sighed. Smoked a 
cigarette. The end. 

Perfect story for a Mangal/Rahu in Scorpio, exalted Chandra passes Ketu, 
plowing towards the Guru kind of day. :) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>
> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> ===
> Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 29 00:00:00 2012
> End Date (UTC): Sat Oct 06 00:00:00 2012
> 616 messages as of (UTC) Thu Oct 04 23:55:48 2012

> 45 Robin Carlsen 

>  4 maskedzebra 

Robin, that puts you at 49. Just a friendly little reminder from the iron fist 
of fabulousness...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

marekreavis:
> That's fine with me and I enjoyed today's 
> contributions.
> 
So, how many respondents posted negative or 
positive messages about someone else in the 
group? Almost everyone in the group except 
Barry. LoL 

It looks like things got worse, instead of 
better. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[Michael Jackson]

What was WYMS?




 From: laughinggull108 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> That sounds just like Claire - I wanted to send this to you privately cuz I 
> didn't want to seem mean to Claire - she got furious with me and two other 
> people on the sidhi preps - I was getting to use a week of my credit and she 
> was there in the dining room at Pinehurst and offered three of us some 
> chutney her mother had made - she made a big shoe of it and was praising it 
> to high heaven - now mind you, we had been rounding for some days. 
> 
> I tasted it and it tasted like vinegar and nothing else. I looked at the 
> other two people at my table and they were both looking and me and each 
> other, no one saying anything and Claire in that high pitched voice of hers 
> was wanting us to praise the chutney as she was - I finally said it tastes 
> like vinegar to me and the other two agreed.
> 
> Claire jumped up from her chair, stomped over to our table, snatched the jar 
> up, and stormed back to her seat, saying over her shoulder in the most 
> offended voice imaginable "Pearls before swine!"
> 
> She was on MD last I heard - she was so large when she went on, I heard 
> Triguna made her go on a strict diet, no sugar or breads and she supposedly 
> lost a lot of weight.
> 
> Did you ever do any of the sidh prep course in the late '70s at Pinehurst or 
> Boone? That is when I was around?
> 

Yes, she did lose alot of weight on MD. Nope, I did AEGTC at the Manor end of 
1977 and early 1978 then stayed on staff until after Vedic Science. Things were 
really hopping around the Manor those years...first WPA at Amherst, Central 
America Peace Projects, Sidha businesses, Vedic Atoms, early Purusha, 
Washington DC, Neil Paterson and his team of Canadian "WYMS", then Vedic 
Science. A wonderful, lively time of the Movement, and it was a pleasure to be 
part of it all. Nothing like the negative things that some people write about 
Maharishi or the Movement.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: laughinggull108 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> > 
> 
> Another fun story about Claire: She wore glasses just about all the time. One 
> day she came into the TM Center not wearing them and she had this "glazed" 
> looked about her. She started telling us that she had had a great morning 
> meditation that had corrected her vision so that she no longer needed 
> glasses. She was kind of floating around the center. Of course, this changed 
> back to "normal" at the end of the day!
> 
> 
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]

[anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
>>>  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you not care about what reality is asking of you as to
>>> how you *should* interpret reality?
>> 
>> This question which you posed to Share seems central to the way
>> in which you have been interacting with people here lately. How
>> does reality 'ask' of one, and why is there an attribute
>> connected with the asking that is called 'should'?
> 
> I suspect this is a manner of speaking. I further suspect
> it's a manner of speaking you don't actually have any 
> trouble interpreting.
> 
> The language does not describe some new way that Robin is
> interacting with people. It's the way most of us--you
> included--interact with each other most of the time here,
> especially when there's a dispute or disagreement.
 
 As the best parser on FFL, I think you parsed this differently
 than I did, and this has made me think about it again.
>>> 
>>> I didn't parse it at all, Xeno. Do you know what "parse"
>>> means?
>> 
>> I used parse in the sense of the way a computer might parse a
>> structure rather than an English teacher might parse words. I
>> broke that sentence into two basic parts at the word 'you. 1)
>> Does reality 'ask' anything?, and 2) is there something about
>> all this that involves a 'should'?
> 
> I didn't parse it at all either way, Xeno.

OK

 In general the complexity of Robin's speech, I think,
 obscures understanding for most people, and does not represent
 a useful way to teach most people about reality.
>>> 
>>> I suggest you read Robin's recent post "How to Know Reality's
>>> Point of View":
>>> 
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/321523
>>> 
>>> Pay particular attention to the last two paragraphs (but
>> 
>> Thanks for the reminder because I had not read it. I did read it now.
>> 
 So, what is
 your understanding of the sentence of Robin's I quoted? Because
 you said 'I suspect this is a manner of speaking' in referring
 to the quote, I would suppose it is not entirely clear in your
 mind either.
>>> 
>>> You would suppose wrong. "Suspect" was rather obviously
>>> sarcastic in context.
>> 
>> I suppose I missed the sarcasm mostly. I sensed it. This essay
>> by Robin is a lot less opaque than most of his writing. It is 
>> always the suspicion that in the end, Robin will declare that
>> he alone is the arbitrator of what the ultimate reality is.
> 
> I assume that's meant to be humorous, since there's zero
> basis for such a suspicion.

I think the probability is significantly greater than zero. We disagree.

> 
>>> Really, Xeno, Robin has written so much on this topic, it's 
>>> depressing to be asked questions about his approach that
>>> you wouldn't need to ask had you simply read what he has to
>>> say.
>> 
>> I was not asking you to explain what Robin says. I can read
>> that, and I can either understand or misunderstand that. What
>> I was asking is how you interpret what Robin says.
> 
> I interpret it to mean that it's good to make an effort to
> come as close as we can to understanding what the reality
> is of any particular situation.

I would say reality would be equal in all situations and it is not possible to 
fully understand it, as it 'transcends' the capability of the intellect.

> 
>>> Robin has his own formula for getting at the truth, but the
>>> nature of his interactions with people here, as I suggested,
>>> isn't fundamentally any different from anybody else's. With
>>> a few exceptions, we're all trying to get at the truth, or
>>> as close to it as possible. We don't *do* it very well a lot
>>> of the time, which is why Robin wrote the "How to Know
>>> Reality's Point of View" post, to describe step by step how
>>> he does it.
>> 
>> I do not think it is as clear as you suggest. For example he
>> says this reality is more powerful and necessary than any of
>> us. But what is the evidence it is more powerful, or necessary?
> 
> Robin does not believe human beings are simply evolutionary
> accidents; he believes the fact of our individual first-
> personness is evidence that we have been intentionally
> created. If that's the case, what created us would have to
> be more powerful than we are, and obviously necessary for
> us to exist in the first place.

I think that is correct. I think Robin is still adhearing to some kind of 
Christian outlook on life, just hiding the fact by expressing it covertly, like 
TM adherents do for Hindu practices. 
 
> 
>> I happen, unlike some on this forum, to think Robin is
>> sane, with a very intricate intellect, somewhat devious
>> at time

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anartaxius"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jedi_spock"  wrote:
> > > > ---  "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
> > > > > of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
> > > > > vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
> > > > > been. People, if they are to 'pursue' reality need a  
> > > > > consistent picture of it even if the picture is false. The 
> > > > > picture is never truth, it is just a signpost that points 
> > > > > you in, hopefully, a useful direction, and once it has  
> > > > > served its purpose, the picture is discarded. TM is a  
> > > > > pointer. It shows one on the basis of experience that  
> > > > > there is more to experience than what one thinks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In general the complexity of Robin's speech, I think,  
> > > > > obscures understanding for most people, and does not  
> > > > > represent a useful way to teach most people about reality. 
> > > > > So, what is your understanding of the sentence of Robin's 
> > > > > I quoted? Because you said 'I suspect this is a manner of 
> > > > > speaking' in referring to the quote, I would suppose it is 
> > > > > not entirely clear in your mind either.
> > > > 
> > > > Again, it's this kind of vacillating and contradictions that 
> > > > he expresses over and over again that worries me.  At times 
> > > > he seems to say simultaneously that he was in Unity and not 
> > > > in Unity at the same time.
> > 
> > Did you read what Xeno wrote? Let me quote it for you again:
> > 
> > "I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
> > of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
> > vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
> > been."
> > 
> > Obviously Xeno finds Robin's use of irony about having
> > been in unity confusing, but he does recognize that it's
> > irony. There's no "vacillating and contradictions" when
> > Robin isn't speaking ironically, so no need to worry.
> 
> I think I left out a word:
> 
> I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture of
> his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony *AND* 
> vacillating between having been in unity or not having been.
> 
> Sorry about that. I usually copy a post into a text editor, but 
> this I typed directly into FFL and clearly did not check it
> before posting.
>
> When Robin is not speaking ironically I disagree that 'There's 
> no "vacillating and contradictions".

Well, it would be very silly for you to disagree, Xeno.

> > > Well the duality is still there even in unity, one can have
> > > duality in unity if one wants it - it is not really a thing
> > > one can describe. But I get your point. I do not think Robin
> > > is making use of paradox as a teaching tool to get us to see
> > > beyond the paradox.
> > 
> > That's right. He's using irony as a tool of personal
> > expression. No paradox involved, no teaching involved.
> > 
> > > That is, his thinking (as I am seeing it by surmise), does
> > > not see through the paradox, but vacillates, as you say,
> > > between the two poles of the paradox which is thus not
> > > resolved.
> > 
> > No, Xeno, as you said to start with, it's irony, self-
> > deprecating. There's no paradox. He *was* in unity 30-some
> > years ago; he no longer is. He has been very, very clear
> > about that when he speaks nonironically.
> 
> The problem is discovering when he is talking ironically.

Yes, it's quite obvious you have a problem discovering that.

> > > As a result, illumination from listening to Robin does
> > > not occur, only confusion results that *seems* to have an
> > > aura of illumination about it because of his skill in
> > > weaving the tangled mess together.
> > 
> > If you don't realize when he's being ironic and when he's
> > being serious, it's no wonder you're confused. There's no
> > "aura of illumination" and no "tangled mess," just your
> > inability to tell when he's being ironic.
> 
> One could use that as an excuse for any confusing argument.
> Oh!, I was speaking ironically!

One could. In this case, however, it isn't an excuse.

> > Here's how to tell: If he seems to be saying he's in unity
> > now, he's being ironic. Really very simple.
> 
> So, when he wrote this was he was being ironic or lying?:
> 
> [post #321491]
> {to Ann} How can we be friends if you will let one of your
> other friends hold an opinion about me which is incompatible
> with my being in Unity Consciousness?'

That's irony, obviously.

> A question to ask here is what action of person x will make
> person y fall out of Unity Consciousness?

That might be an interesting question if we had an example
of same, but sadly, we don't.

> [Robin post #321377]
> 'I don't forgi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[laughinggull108]

Weren't those German fellows who were Maharishi's bodyguards and who were 
supposedly living the high life in Seelisberg (fine wine, cigars, women, etc.) 
called WYMS? If so, then you can take it from there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"  
wrote:
>
>  Neil Paterson and his team of Canadian "WYMS",???
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > That sounds just like Claire - I wanted to send this to you privately cuz 
> > > I didn't want to seem mean to Claire - she got furious with me and two 
> > > other people on the sidhi preps - I was getting to use a week of my 
> > > credit and she was there in the dining room at Pinehurst and offered 
> > > three of us some chutney her mother had made - she made a big shoe of it 
> > > and was praising it to high heaven - now mind you, we had been rounding 
> > > for some days. 
> > > 
> > > I tasted it and it tasted like vinegar and nothing else. I looked at the 
> > > other two people at my table and they were both looking and me and each 
> > > other, no one saying anything and Claire in that high pitched voice of 
> > > hers was wanting us to praise the chutney as she was - I finally said it 
> > > tastes like vinegar to me and the other two agreed.
> > > 
> > > Claire jumped up from her chair, stomped over to our table, snatched the 
> > > jar up, and stormed back to her seat, saying over her shoulder in the 
> > > most offended voice imaginable "Pearls before swine!"
> > > 
> > > She was on MD last I heard - she was so large when she went on, I heard 
> > > Triguna made her go on a strict diet, no sugar or breads and she 
> > > supposedly lost a lot of weight.
> > > 
> > > Did you ever do any of the sidh prep course in the late '70s at Pinehurst 
> > > or Boone? That is when I was around?
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, she did lose alot of weight on MD. Nope, I did AEGTC at the Manor end 
> > of 1977 and early 1978 then stayed on staff until after Vedic Science. 
> > Things were really hopping around the Manor those years...first WPA at 
> > Amherst, Central America Peace Projects, Sidha businesses, Vedic Atoms, 
> > early Purusha, Washington DC, Neil Paterson and his team of Canadian 
> > "WYMS", then Vedic Science. A wonderful, lively time of the Movement, and 
> > it was a pleasure to be part of it all. Nothing like the negative things 
> > that some people write about Maharishi or the Movement.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: laughinggull108 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:47 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Another fun story about Claire: She wore glasses just about all the time. 
> > > One day she came into the TM Center not wearing them and she had this 
> > > "glazed" looked about her. She started telling us that she had had a 
> > > great morning meditation that had corrected her vision so that she no 
> > > longer needed glasses. She was kind of floating around the center. Of 
> > > course, this changed back to "normal" at the end of the day!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

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616 messages as of (UTC) Thu Oct 04 23:55:48 2012

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46 Ravi Chivukula 
45 Robin Carlsen 
39 "Richard J. Williams" 
36 turquoiseb 
36 Share Long 
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28 curtisdeltablues 
27 Bhairitu 
26 Buck 
25 seventhray1 
20 card 
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16 raunchydog 
15 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
14 Jason 
13 laughinggull108 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[mainstream20016]

 Neil Paterson and his team of Canadian "WYMS",???


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > That sounds just like Claire - I wanted to send this to you privately cuz I 
> > didn't want to seem mean to Claire - she got furious with me and two other 
> > people on the sidhi preps - I was getting to use a week of my credit and 
> > she was there in the dining room at Pinehurst and offered three of us some 
> > chutney her mother had made - she made a big shoe of it and was praising it 
> > to high heaven - now mind you, we had been rounding for some days. 
> > 
> > I tasted it and it tasted like vinegar and nothing else. I looked at the 
> > other two people at my table and they were both looking and me and each 
> > other, no one saying anything and Claire in that high pitched voice of hers 
> > was wanting us to praise the chutney as she was - I finally said it tastes 
> > like vinegar to me and the other two agreed.
> > 
> > Claire jumped up from her chair, stomped over to our table, snatched the 
> > jar up, and stormed back to her seat, saying over her shoulder in the most 
> > offended voice imaginable "Pearls before swine!"
> > 
> > She was on MD last I heard - she was so large when she went on, I heard 
> > Triguna made her go on a strict diet, no sugar or breads and she supposedly 
> > lost a lot of weight.
> > 
> > Did you ever do any of the sidh prep course in the late '70s at Pinehurst 
> > or Boone? That is when I was around?
> > 
> 
> Yes, she did lose alot of weight on MD. Nope, I did AEGTC at the Manor end of 
> 1977 and early 1978 then stayed on staff until after Vedic Science. Things 
> were really hopping around the Manor those years...first WPA at Amherst, 
> Central America Peace Projects, Sidha businesses, Vedic Atoms, early Purusha, 
> Washington DC, Neil Paterson and his team of Canadian "WYMS", then Vedic 
> Science. A wonderful, lively time of the Movement, and it was a pleasure to 
> be part of it all. Nothing like the negative things that some people write 
> about Maharishi or the Movement.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: laughinggull108 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:47 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> > > 
> > 
> > Another fun story about Claire: She wore glasses just about all the time. 
> > One day she came into the TM Center not wearing them and she had this 
> > "glazed" looked about her. She started telling us that she had had a great 
> > morning meditation that had corrected her vision so that she no longer 
> > needed glasses. She was kind of floating around the center. Of course, this 
> > changed back to "normal" at the end of the day!
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> That sounds just like Claire - I wanted to send this to you privately cuz I 
> didn't want to seem mean to Claire - she got furious with me and two other 
> people on the sidhi preps - I was getting to use a week of my credit and she 
> was there in the dining room at Pinehurst and offered three of us some 
> chutney her mother had made - she made a big shoe of it and was praising it 
> to high heaven - now mind you, we had been rounding for some days. 
> 
> I tasted it and it tasted like vinegar and nothing else. I looked at the 
> other two people at my table and they were both looking and me and each 
> other, no one saying anything and Claire in that high pitched voice of hers 
> was wanting us to praise the chutney as she was - I finally said it tastes 
> like vinegar to me and the other two agreed.
> 
> Claire jumped up from her chair, stomped over to our table, snatched the jar 
> up, and stormed back to her seat, saying over her shoulder in the most 
> offended voice imaginable "Pearls before swine!"
> 
> She was on MD last I heard - she was so large when she went on, I heard 
> Triguna made her go on a strict diet, no sugar or breads and she supposedly 
> lost a lot of weight.
> 
> Did you ever do any of the sidh prep course in the late '70s at Pinehurst or 
> Boone? That is when I was around?
> 

Yes, she did lose alot of weight on MD. Nope, I did AEGTC at the Manor end of 
1977 and early 1978 then stayed on staff until after Vedic Science. Things were 
really hopping around the Manor those years...first WPA at Amherst, Central 
America Peace Projects, Sidha businesses, Vedic Atoms, early Purusha, 
Washington DC, Neil Paterson and his team of Canadian "WYMS", then Vedic 
Science. A wonderful, lively time of the Movement, and it was a pleasure to be 
part of it all. Nothing like the negative things that some people write about 
Maharishi or the Movement.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: laughinggull108 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> > 
> 
> Another fun story about Claire: She wore glasses just about all the time. One 
> day she came into the TM Center not wearing them and she had this "glazed" 
> looked about her. She started telling us that she had had a great morning 
> meditation that had corrected her vision so that she no longer needed 
> glasses. She was kind of floating around the center. Of course, this changed 
> back to "normal" at the end of the day!
> 
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[Michael Jackson]

That sounds just like Claire - I wanted to send this to you privately cuz I 
didn't want to seem mean to Claire - she got furious with me and two other 
people on the sidhi preps - I was getting to use a week of my credit and she 
was there in the dining room at Pinehurst and offered three of us some chutney 
her mother had made - she made a big shoe of it and was praising it to high 
heaven - now mind you, we had been rounding for some days. 

I tasted it and it tasted like vinegar and nothing else. I looked at the other 
two people at my table and they were both looking and me and each other, no one 
saying anything and Claire in that high pitched voice of hers was wanting us to 
praise the chutney as she was - I finally said it tastes like vinegar to me and 
the other two agreed.

Claire jumped up from her chair, stomped over to our table, snatched the jar 
up, and stormed back to her seat, saying over her shoulder in the most offended 
voice imaginable "Pearls before swine!"

She was on MD last I heard - she was so large when she went on, I heard Triguna 
made her go on a strict diet, no sugar or breads and she supposedly lost a lot 
of weight.

Did you ever do any of the sidh prep course in the late '70s at Pinehurst or 
Boone? That is when I was around?





 From: laughinggull108 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> 
> I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> 

Another fun story about Claire: She wore glasses just about all the time. One 
day she came into the TM Center not wearing them and she had this "glazed" 
looked about her. She started telling us that she had had a great morning 
meditation that had corrected her vision so that she no longer needed glasses. 
She was kind of floating around the center. Of course, this changed back to 
"normal" at the end of the day!




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[marekreavis]

That's fine with me and I enjoyed today's contributions.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> >  http://vimeo.com/39497405
> >
> 
> Very creative and funny! I simply enjoy the creative spirit in people.
> 
> How about we post again next Wednesday as Share has suggested? Today was a 
> success, if for nothing else, FFL seemed more quiet.
> 
> And Judy, you're correct...nothing was decided regarding FFL. Those that want 
> to participate will, those that don't won't. And it doesn't matter if you 
> wear pajamas or not. Why don't you give it a shot, yes?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> 
> Yeah my mother has never understood how making vegetable soup with liberal 
> amounts of beef in it makes it not vegetable soup, but I must admit it is 
> pretty standard to do that in the Deep South
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, really good to get that one cleared up.  Not that I've been 
> > > following it, mind you.  Not ever since I first became a vegetarian and 
> > > my Mom put bacon bits in the vegetarian soup!
> > >
> > 
> > ...or made vegetable soup using chicken stock!

I love how we all have gotten onto mothers and cooking today. Interesting 
switch from battlefield to mother is at home.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: mjackson74 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:45 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] More on Rumors
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably 
> > > still on Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - 
> > > he was browsing among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled 
> > > upon the tape where Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what 
> > > your mother fed you." which in my day was used as an excuse by many 
> > > initiators to gobble up as much ice cream and other refined sugar since M 
> > > also said "refined sugar for refined consciousness."
> > > 
> > > Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were 
> > > "eat what your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed 
> > > you, those things that you know to be good for you."
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably still on 
> Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - he was 
> browsing among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled upon the 
> tape where Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what your mother fed 
> you." which in my day was used as an excuse by many initiators to gobble up 
> as much ice cream and other refined sugar since M also said "refined sugar 
> for refined consciousness."
> 
> Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were "eat 
> what your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed you, 
> those things that you know to be good for you."


That's how knowledge gets distorted. You pick out what you like to hear and 
leave out the rest. The rumour-monging from souls like Rick is on a completely 
different level, pure tamas to keep the soul enslaved, by himself, for himself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[laughinggull108]

OMG...that completely flew over my head so I guess I AM irony-challenged! Ravi, 
I love her too, and can only hope that she's learned to sometimes laugh at 
herself...nothing malicious or hurtful intended. Oh, the stories I could tell!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> I am actually making fun of Marek my poor irony challenged
> laughingoutloud108 - so please continue - I totally love this Claire
> character and I'm enjoying all this :-)
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM, laughinggull108 
> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > You're partly right Ravi. I guess I was making fun of her much like others
> > here have made fun of your dear Share. If I may be so bold to ask, where is
> > your admonishment to them? And what does sharing stories of people we knew
> > back in the good ol' days of the movement have to do with Marek?
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > You have to be ashamed of yourself laughingmyassoff108 and MJ - are you
> > so
> > > clueless to Marek's projections, fantasies and desires? Blatantly,
> > > brazenly, arrogantly disregarding his quest for global peace, positivity
> > > and balance. Please I beg you - stop stinking up this place !!! Stop
> > making
> > > fun of others, stop pointing other's shortcomings !!!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, laughinggull108 <
> > no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire
> > Baxter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Claire was liaison for the three Governors Paul Potter, Greg Palma
> > and
> > > > Wally Gibbons - they didn't want to fool with the peon meditators so
> > they
> > > > had her do it for us - part of her duty was to have a knowledge
> > program for
> > > > us - she would lead us in group meditation, wait about 2 or 3 minutes,
> > just
> > > > enough time to start settling down, then she would get up and leave the
> > > > room, slamming the French doors behind her,
> > > >
> > > > I remember French doors at the Chapel Hill TM Center where I used to
> > live.
> > > > One set opened to the dining room with a heavy set of blue drapes
> > covering
> > > > them to shield the noise, and one set opened to the front entrance
> > hall.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > and I mean slamming them. She was oblivious to her actions so we
> > > > staffers learned to wait till she exited before really meditating.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of all the people I have known thru TM she had more rumor stuff. She
> > was
> > > > adamant that one should not meditate with pets in the room because it
> > > > "drains your energy" tho that was a pretty popular rumor in those days
> > and
> > > > one which given the number of times I have meditated with a cat in my
> > lap,
> > > > I can say is absolutely not true. In fact I always felt I got the best
> > end
> > > > of the deal with cat meditation - I always had better experiences with
> > a
> > > > cat than without when doing TM.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the strangest things I saw from that time was Claire had a
> > sister
> > > > Persis was her name I think
> > > >
> > > > Yes, beautiful Persis, who was younger and more down-to-earth than was
> > > > Claire. I wonder where she is today.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > and for a while she was seeing this guy whose name I can't remember,
> > but
> > > > he was on a lot of those programs and after the courses moved to
> > Blowing
> > > > Rock and Boone NC, he was around a lot - he claimed that since M had
> > said
> > > > "refined sugar for refined consciousness" he started eating white sugar
> > > > before every afternoon program. He said he ate between 1/4 to 1/2 cup
> > or
> > > > more right before doing his program. I didn't believe him, so he
> > started
> > > > doing it in front of me and I mean he sat at the table and ate half a
> > cup
> > > > of sugar, then went and did program. I thought he was crazy. Dunno how
> > long
> > > > he did that, but it was wild.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if he's "dropped the body" because of diabetes!
> > > >
> > > > I would gladly relive those days all over again! In fact, maybe I will
> > if
> > > > I don't make "it" this lifetime!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always
> > > > been, so I am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM
> > rumor
> > > > (the one about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was
> > working
> > > > for credit to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North
> > Carolina
> > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[Ravi Chivukula]

I am actually making fun of Marek my poor irony challenged
laughingoutloud108 - so please continue - I totally love this Claire
character and I'm enjoying all this :-)


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM, laughinggull108 wrote:

> **
>
>
> You're partly right Ravi. I guess I was making fun of her much like others
> here have made fun of your dear Share. If I may be so bold to ask, where is
> your admonishment to them? And what does sharing stories of people we knew
> back in the good ol' days of the movement have to do with Marek?
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > You have to be ashamed of yourself laughingmyassoff108 and MJ - are you
> so
> > clueless to Marek's projections, fantasies and desires? Blatantly,
> > brazenly, arrogantly disregarding his quest for global peace, positivity
> > and balance. Please I beg you - stop stinking up this place !!! Stop
> making
> > fun of others, stop pointing other's shortcomings !!!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, laughinggull108 <
> no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire
> Baxter.
> > > >
> > > > Claire was liaison for the three Governors Paul Potter, Greg Palma
> and
> > > Wally Gibbons - they didn't want to fool with the peon meditators so
> they
> > > had her do it for us - part of her duty was to have a knowledge
> program for
> > > us - she would lead us in group meditation, wait about 2 or 3 minutes,
> just
> > > enough time to start settling down, then she would get up and leave the
> > > room, slamming the French doors behind her,
> > >
> > > I remember French doors at the Chapel Hill TM Center where I used to
> live.
> > > One set opened to the dining room with a heavy set of blue drapes
> covering
> > > them to shield the noise, and one set opened to the front entrance
> hall.
> > >
> > >
> > > > and I mean slamming them. She was oblivious to her actions so we
> > > staffers learned to wait till she exited before really meditating.
> > > >
> > > > Of all the people I have known thru TM she had more rumor stuff. She
> was
> > > adamant that one should not meditate with pets in the room because it
> > > "drains your energy" tho that was a pretty popular rumor in those days
> and
> > > one which given the number of times I have meditated with a cat in my
> lap,
> > > I can say is absolutely not true. In fact I always felt I got the best
> end
> > > of the deal with cat meditation - I always had better experiences with
> a
> > > cat than without when doing TM.
> > > >
> > > > One of the strangest things I saw from that time was Claire had a
> sister
> > > Persis was her name I think
> > >
> > > Yes, beautiful Persis, who was younger and more down-to-earth than was
> > > Claire. I wonder where she is today.
> > >
> > >
> > > > and for a while she was seeing this guy whose name I can't remember,
> but
> > > he was on a lot of those programs and after the courses moved to
> Blowing
> > > Rock and Boone NC, he was around a lot - he claimed that since M had
> said
> > > "refined sugar for refined consciousness" he started eating white sugar
> > > before every afternoon program. He said he ate between 1/4 to 1/2 cup
> or
> > > more right before doing his program. I didn't believe him, so he
> started
> > > doing it in front of me and I mean he sat at the table and ate half a
> cup
> > > of sugar, then went and did program. I thought he was crazy. Dunno how
> long
> > > he did that, but it was wild.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if he's "dropped the body" because of diabetes!
> > >
> > > I would gladly relive those days all over again! In fact, maybe I will
> if
> > > I don't make "it" this lifetime!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always
> > > been, so I am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM
> rumor
> > > (the one about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was
> working
> > > for credit to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North
> Carolina
> > > felt they needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us
> > > staffers, the liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the
> > > greatest one was: "Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves
> > > upward out of the body through the crown chakra and if your hair is
> wet,
> > > the stress will slide down your wet hair and go back into the bottom of
> > > your spine."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She was dead serious.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OMG...our dear, dear Claire Baxter. She was checking my meditation
> and
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[laughinggull108]

You're partly right Ravi. I guess I was making fun of her much like others here 
have made fun of your dear Share. If I may be so bold to ask, where is your 
admonishment to them? And what does sharing stories of people we knew back in 
the good ol' days of the movement have to do with Marek?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> You have to be ashamed of yourself laughingmyassoff108 and MJ - are you so
> clueless to Marek's projections, fantasies and desires? Blatantly,
> brazenly, arrogantly disregarding his quest for global peace, positivity
> and balance. Please I beg you - stop stinking up this place !!! Stop making
> fun of others, stop pointing other's shortcomings !!!
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, laughinggull108 
> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> > >
> > > Claire was liaison for the three Governors Paul Potter, Greg Palma and
> > Wally Gibbons - they didn't want to fool with the peon meditators so they
> > had her do it for us - part of her duty was to have a knowledge program for
> > us - she would lead us in group meditation, wait about 2 or 3 minutes, just
> > enough time to start settling down, then she would get up and leave the
> > room, slamming the French doors behind her,
> >
> > I remember French doors at the Chapel Hill TM Center where I used to live.
> > One set opened to the dining room with a heavy set of blue drapes covering
> > them to shield the noise, and one set opened to the front entrance hall.
> >
> >
> > > and I mean slamming them. She was oblivious to her actions so we
> > staffers learned to wait till she exited before really meditating.
> > >
> > > Of all the people I have known thru TM she had more rumor stuff. She was
> > adamant that one should not meditate with pets in the room because it
> > "drains your energy" tho that was a pretty popular rumor in those days and
> > one which given the number of times I have meditated with a cat in my lap,
> > I can say is absolutely not true. In fact I always felt I got the best end
> > of the deal with cat meditation - I always had better experiences with a
> > cat than without when doing TM.
> > >
> > > One of the strangest things I saw from that time was Claire had a sister
> > Persis was her name I think
> >
> > Yes, beautiful Persis, who was younger and more down-to-earth than was
> > Claire. I wonder where she is today.
> >
> >
> > > and for a while she was seeing this guy whose name I can't remember, but
> > he was on a lot of those programs and after the courses moved to Blowing
> > Rock and Boone NC, he was around a lot - he claimed that since M had said
> > "refined sugar for refined consciousness" he started eating white sugar
> > before every afternoon program. He said he ate between 1/4 to 1/2 cup or
> > more right before doing his program. I didn't believe him, so he started
> > doing it in front of me and I mean he sat at the table and ate half a cup
> > of sugar, then went and did program. I thought he was crazy. Dunno how long
> > he did that, but it was wild.
> > >
> >
> > I wonder if he's "dropped the body" because of diabetes!
> >
> > I would gladly relive those days all over again! In fact, maybe I will if
> > I don't make "it" this lifetime!
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always
> > been, so I am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor
> > (the one about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> > > > >
> > > > > My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working
> > for credit to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina
> > felt they needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us
> > staffers, the liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the
> > greatest one was: "Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves
> > upward out of the body through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet,
> > the stress will slide down your wet hair and go back into the bottom of
> > your spine."
> > > > >
> > > > > She was dead serious.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > OMG...our dear, dear Claire Baxter. She was checking my meditation and
> > I was seated very comfortably with my legs crossed at the ankles. Her first
> > instruction was "Uncross your legs...it divides the energy." I start
> > laughing, thinking that she was joking because I was also an initiator. She
> > was dead serious and wouldn't continue until I had uncrossed my legs! She's
> > still on MD if she's still alive.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> 
> I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> 

Another fun story about Claire: She wore glasses just about all the time. One 
day she came into the TM Center not wearing them and she had this "glazed" 
looked about her. She started telling us that she had had a great morning 
meditation that had corrected her vision so that she no longer needed glasses. 
She was kind of floating around the center. Of course, this changed back to 
"normal" at the end of the day!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[Ravi Chivukula]

You have to be ashamed of yourself laughingmyassoff108 and MJ - are you so
clueless to Marek's projections, fantasies and desires? Blatantly,
brazenly, arrogantly disregarding his quest for global peace, positivity
and balance. Please I beg you - stop stinking up this place !!! Stop making
fun of others, stop pointing other's shortcomings !!!


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, laughinggull108 wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> >
> > Claire was liaison for the three Governors Paul Potter, Greg Palma and
> Wally Gibbons - they didn't want to fool with the peon meditators so they
> had her do it for us - part of her duty was to have a knowledge program for
> us - she would lead us in group meditation, wait about 2 or 3 minutes, just
> enough time to start settling down, then she would get up and leave the
> room, slamming the French doors behind her,
>
> I remember French doors at the Chapel Hill TM Center where I used to live.
> One set opened to the dining room with a heavy set of blue drapes covering
> them to shield the noise, and one set opened to the front entrance hall.
>
>
> > and I mean slamming them. She was oblivious to her actions so we
> staffers learned to wait till she exited before really meditating.
> >
> > Of all the people I have known thru TM she had more rumor stuff. She was
> adamant that one should not meditate with pets in the room because it
> "drains your energy" tho that was a pretty popular rumor in those days and
> one which given the number of times I have meditated with a cat in my lap,
> I can say is absolutely not true. In fact I always felt I got the best end
> of the deal with cat meditation - I always had better experiences with a
> cat than without when doing TM.
> >
> > One of the strangest things I saw from that time was Claire had a sister
> Persis was her name I think
>
> Yes, beautiful Persis, who was younger and more down-to-earth than was
> Claire. I wonder where she is today.
>
>
> > and for a while she was seeing this guy whose name I can't remember, but
> he was on a lot of those programs and after the courses moved to Blowing
> Rock and Boone NC, he was around a lot - he claimed that since M had said
> "refined sugar for refined consciousness" he started eating white sugar
> before every afternoon program. He said he ate between 1/4 to 1/2 cup or
> more right before doing his program. I didn't believe him, so he started
> doing it in front of me and I mean he sat at the table and ate half a cup
> of sugar, then went and did program. I thought he was crazy. Dunno how long
> he did that, but it was wild.
> >
>
> I wonder if he's "dropped the body" because of diabetes!
>
> I would gladly relive those days all over again! In fact, maybe I will if
> I don't make "it" this lifetime!
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always
> been, so I am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor
> (the one about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> > > >
> > > > My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working
> for credit to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina
> felt they needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us
> staffers, the liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the
> greatest one was: "Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves
> upward out of the body through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet,
> the stress will slide down your wet hair and go back into the bottom of
> your spine."
> > > >
> > > > She was dead serious.
> > > >
> > >
> > > OMG...our dear, dear Claire Baxter. She was checking my meditation and
> I was seated very comfortably with my legs crossed at the ankles. Her first
> instruction was "Uncross your legs...it divides the energy." I start
> laughing, thinking that she was joking because I was also an initiator. She
> was dead serious and wouldn't continue until I had uncrossed my legs! She's
> still on MD if she's still alive.
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anartaxius"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jedi_spock"  wrote:
> > > ---  "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
> > > > of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
> > > > vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
> > > > been. People, if they are to 'pursue' reality need a  
> > > > consistent picture of it even if the picture is false. The 
> > > > picture is never truth, it is just a signpost that points 
> > > > you in, hopefully, a useful direction, and once it has  
> > > > served its purpose, the picture is discarded. TM is a  
> > > > pointer. It shows one on the basis of experience that  
> > > > there is more to experience than what one thinks.
> > > > 
> > > > In general the complexity of Robin's speech, I think,  
> > > > obscures understanding for most people, and does not  
> > > > represent a useful way to teach most people about reality. 
> > > > So, what is your understanding of the sentence of Robin's 
> > > > I quoted? Because you said 'I suspect this is a manner of 
> > > > speaking' in referring to the quote, I would suppose it is 
> > > > not entirely clear in your mind either.
> > > 
> > > Again, it's this kind of vacillating and contradictions that 
> > > he expresses over and over again that worries me.  At times 
> > > he seems to say simultaneously that he was in Unity and not 
> > > in Unity at the same time.
> 
> Did you read what Xeno wrote? Let me quote it for you again:
> 
> "I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
> of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
> vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
> been."
> 
> Obviously Xeno finds Robin's use of irony about having
> been in unity confusing, but he does recognize that it's
> irony. There's no "vacillating and contradictions" when
> Robin isn't speaking ironically, so no need to worry.

I think I left out a word:

I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture of his sense of 
reality, with his constant use of irony *AND* vacillating between having been 
in unity or not having been.

Sorry about that. I usually copy a post into a text editor, but this I typed 
directly into FFL and clearly did not check it before posting.
When Robin is not speaking ironically I disagree that 'There's no "vacillating 
and contradictions".


> > Well the duality is still there even in unity, one can have
> > duality in unity if one wants it - it is not really a thing
> > one can describe. But I get your point. I do not think Robin
> > is making use of paradox as a teaching tool to get us to see
> > beyond the paradox.
> 
> That's right. He's using irony as a tool of personal
> expression. No paradox involved, no teaching involved.
> 
> > That is, his thinking (as I am seeing it by surmise), does
> > not see through the paradox, but vacillates, as you say,
> > between the two poles of the paradox which is thus not
> > resolved.
> 
> No, Xeno, as you said to start with, it's irony, self-
> deprecating. There's no paradox. He *was* in unity 30-some
> years ago; he no longer is. He has been very, very clear
> about that when he speaks nonironically.

The problem is discovering when he is talking ironically.
> 
> > As a result, illumination from listening to Robin does
> > not occur, only confusion results that *seems* to have an
> > aura of illumination about it because of his skill in
> > weaving the tangled mess together.
> 
> If you don't realize when he's being ironic and when he's
> being serious, it's no wonder you're confused. There's no
> "aura of illumination" and no "tangled mess," just your
> inability to tell when he's being ironic.

One could use that as an excuse for any confusing argument. Oh!, I was speaking 
ironically! 

> Here's how to tell: If he seems to be saying he's in unity
> now, he's being ironic. Really very simple.

So, when he wrote this was he was being ironic or lying?:

[post #321491]
{to Ann} How can we be friends if you will let one of your other friends hold 
an opinion about me which is incompatible with my being in Unity Consciousness?'

A question to ask here is what action of person x will make person y fall out 
of Unity Consciousness?

[Robin post #321377]
'I don't forgive Ann for what she did, Lord Knows. And had Ann not done what 
she did I believe I would still be in Unity Consciousness. I think it really 
comes to that. But I forgive her in another way--because I still think of her 
as my enemy. (And one must love one's enemies: I really believe that.)'

At any rate, the jury is out on Robin's having been in Unity in the first 
place. There was MMY's statement that he was somewhere in the layers of 
wholeness, which says nothing about which layer. There is nothing to back it 
up. This I admit is a difficulty, but R

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> 
> I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.
> 
> Claire was liaison for the three Governors Paul Potter, Greg Palma and Wally 
> Gibbons - they didn't want to fool with the peon meditators so they had her 
> do it for us - part of her duty was to have a knowledge program for us - she 
> would lead us in group meditation, wait about 2 or 3 minutes, just enough 
> time to start settling down, then she would get up and leave the room, 
> slamming the French doors behind her, 

I remember French doors at the Chapel Hill TM Center where I used to live. One 
set opened to the dining room with a heavy set of blue drapes covering them to 
shield the noise, and one set opened to the front entrance hall.

> and I mean slamming them. She was oblivious to her actions so we staffers 
> learned to wait till she exited before really meditating.
> 
> Of all the people I have known thru TM she had more rumor stuff. She was 
> adamant that one should not meditate with pets in the room because it "drains 
> your energy" tho that was a pretty popular rumor in those days and one which 
> given the number of times I have meditated with a cat in my lap, I can say is 
> absolutely not true. In fact I always felt I got the best end of the deal 
> with cat meditation - I always had better experiences with a cat than without 
> when doing TM.
> 
> One of the strangest things I saw from that time was Claire had a sister 
> Persis was her name I think 

Yes, beautiful Persis, who was younger and more down-to-earth than was Claire. 
I wonder where she is today.

> and for a while she was seeing this guy whose name I can't remember, but he 
> was on a lot of those programs and after the courses moved to Blowing Rock 
> and Boone NC, he was around a lot - he claimed that since M had said "refined 
> sugar for refined consciousness" he started eating white sugar before every 
> afternoon program. He said he ate between 1/4 to 1/2 cup or more right before 
> doing his program. I didn't believe him, so he started doing it in front of 
> me and I mean he sat at the table and ate half a cup of sugar, then went and 
> did program. I thought he was crazy. Dunno how long he did that, but it was 
> wild. 
> 

I wonder if he's "dropped the body" because of diabetes!

I would gladly relive those days all over again! In fact, maybe I will if I 
don't make "it" this lifetime!

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always been, 
> > > so I am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor 
> > > (the one about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> > > 
> > > My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working for 
> > > credit to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina 
> > > felt they needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us 
> > > staffers, the liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the 
> > > greatest one was: "Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves 
> > > upward out of the body through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet, 
> > > the stress will slide down your wet hair and go back into the bottom of 
> > > your spine."
> > > 
> > > She was dead serious.
> > >
> > 
> > OMG...our dear, dear Claire Baxter. She was checking my meditation and I 
> > was seated very comfortably with my legs crossed at the ankles. Her first 
> > instruction was "Uncross your legs...it divides the energy." I start 
> > laughing, thinking that she was joking because I was also an initiator. She 
> > was dead serious and wouldn't continue until I had uncrossed my legs! She's 
> > still on MD if she's still alive.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> >  http://vimeo.com/39497405
> >
> 
> Very creative and funny! I simply enjoy the creative spirit in people.
> 
> How about we post again next Wednesday as Share has suggested? 
> Today was a success, if for nothing else, FFL seemed more quiet.
> 
> And Judy, you're correct...nothing was decided regarding FFL.
> Those that want to participate will, those that don't won't.

That's right. Or they can post their creative stuff or neat
finds whenever they're so inclined.

> And it doesn't matter if you wear pajamas or not. Why don't
> you give it a shot, yes?

I've done so many times, actually. But I do it when I feel
like it. I prefer it when those kinds of posts from others
are sprinkled throughout the week, as they've always been.
Little surprises here and there to brighten the day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors

[mjackson74]

Yeah my mother has never understood how making vegetable soup with liberal 
amounts of beef in it makes it not vegetable soup, but I must admit it is 
pretty standard to do that in the Deep South


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, really good to get that one cleared up.  Not that I've been 
> > following it, mind you.  Not ever since I first became a vegetarian and my 
> > Mom put bacon bits in the vegetarian soup!
> >
> 
> ...or made vegetable soup using chicken stock!
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: mjackson74 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:45 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] More on Rumors
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably still 
> > on Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - he was 
> > browsing among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled upon the 
> > tape where Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what your mother 
> > fed you." which in my day was used as an excuse by many initiators to 
> > gobble up as much ice cream and other refined sugar since M also said 
> > "refined sugar for refined consciousness."
> > 
> > Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were "eat 
> > what your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed you, 
> > those things that you know to be good for you."
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[mjackson74]

I am laughing and laughing - yep you nailed it - it was Claire Baxter.

Claire was liaison for the three Governors Paul Potter, Greg Palma and Wally 
Gibbons - they didn't want to fool with the peon meditators so they had her do 
it for us - part of her duty was to have a knowledge program for us - she would 
lead us in group meditation, wait about 2 or 3 minutes, just enough time to 
start settling down, then she would get up and leave the room, slamming the 
French doors behind her, and I mean slamming them. She was oblivious to her 
actions so we staffers learned to wait till she exited before really meditating.

Of all the people I have known thru TM she had more rumor stuff. She was 
adamant that one should not meditate with pets in the room because it "drains 
your energy" tho that was a pretty popular rumor in those days and one which 
given the number of times I have meditated with a cat in my lap, I can say is 
absolutely not true. In fact I always felt I got the best end of the deal with 
cat meditation - I always had better experiences with a cat than without when 
doing TM.

One of the strangest things I saw from that time was Claire had a sister Persis 
was her name I think and for a while she was seeing this guy whose name I can't 
remember, but he was on a lot of those programs and after the courses moved to 
Blowing Rock and Boone NC, he was around a lot - he claimed that since M had 
said "refined sugar for refined consciousness" he started eating white sugar 
before every afternoon program. He said he ate between 1/4 to 1/2 cup or more 
right before doing his program. I didn't believe him, so he started doing it in 
front of me and I mean he sat at the table and ate half a cup of sugar, then 
went and did program. I thought he was crazy. Dunno how long he did that, but 
it was wild. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always been, so 
> > I am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor (the one 
> > about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> > 
> > My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working for 
> > credit to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina 
> > felt they needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us 
> > staffers, the liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the 
> > greatest one was: "Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves 
> > upward out of the body through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet, 
> > the stress will slide down your wet hair and go back into the bottom of 
> > your spine."
> > 
> > She was dead serious.
> >
> 
> OMG...our dear, dear Claire Baxter. She was checking my meditation and I was 
> seated very comfortably with my legs crossed at the ankles. Her first 
> instruction was "Uncross your legs...it divides the energy." I start 
> laughing, thinking that she was joking because I was also an initiator. She 
> was dead serious and wouldn't continue until I had uncrossed my legs! She's 
> still on MD if she's still alive.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
>
>  http://vimeo.com/39497405
>

Very creative and funny! I simply enjoy the creative spirit in people.

How about we post again next Wednesday as Share has suggested? Today was a 
success, if for nothing else, FFL seemed more quiet.

And Judy, you're correct...nothing was decided regarding FFL. Those that want 
to participate will, those that don't won't. And it doesn't matter if you wear 
pajamas or not. Why don't you give it a shot, yes?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks, really good to get that one cleared up.  Not that I've been 
> following it, mind you.  Not ever since I first became a vegetarian and my 
> Mom put bacon bits in the vegetarian soup!
>

...or made vegetable soup using chicken stock!

> 
> 
> 
>  From: mjackson74 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:45 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] More on Rumors
>  
> 
>   
> I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably still on 
> Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - he was 
> browsing among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled upon the 
> tape where Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what your mother fed 
> you." which in my day was used as an excuse by many initiators to gobble up 
> as much ice cream and other refined sugar since M also said "refined sugar 
> for refined consciousness."
> 
> Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were "eat 
> what your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed you, 
> those things that you know to be good for you."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always been, so I 
> am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor (the one 
> about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> 
> My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working for credit 
> to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina felt they 
> needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us staffers, the 
> liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the greatest one was: 
> "Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves upward out of the body 
> through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet, the stress will slide down 
> your wet hair and go back into the bottom of your spine."
> 
> She was dead serious.
>

OMG...our dear, dear Claire Baxter. She was checking my meditation and I was 
seated very comfortably with my legs crossed at the ankles. Her first 
instruction was "Uncross your legs...it divides the energy." I start laughing, 
thinking that she was joking because I was also an initiator. She was dead 
serious and wouldn't continue until I had uncrossed my legs! She's still on MD 
if she's still alive.

Re: [FairfieldLife] More on Rumors

[Share Long]

Thanks, really good to get that one cleared up.  Not that I've been following 
it, mind you.  Not ever since I first became a vegetarian and my Mom put bacon 
bits in the vegetarian soup!




 From: mjackson74 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] More on Rumors
 

  
I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably still on 
Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - he was browsing 
among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled upon the tape where 
Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what your mother fed you." which 
in my day was used as an excuse by many initiators to gobble up as much ice 
cream and other refined sugar since M also said "refined sugar for refined 
consciousness."

Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were "eat what 
your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed you, those 
things that you know to be good for you."


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[mjackson74]

Well you got me again - I never heard that one either. Of course there were 
always the relationship rumors, i.e. - Maharishi was supposed to have said all 
sorts of things about relationships like don't have sex unless you are married, 
don't have sex if you are married (cuz you can't get enlightened if you do) and 
so on.

I had a long argument with a three-piece suit governor at MIU when I was on 
staff there. He was visiting, wearing his three piece at dinner. I was in my 
grungy kitchen clothes (I refused to wear a tie when not working as did all the 
kitchen staff). 

This guy started talking about how Maharishi had said one should never marry a 
foreign woman, something about the energy of the cultures being too different. 
He was so sure of himself and so arrogant and condescending and almost all the 
people at our table were listening with rapt attention. He said that in fact 
Maharishi had said that ideally one should marry someone from your own 
neighborhood where you grew up.

I was the only naysayer and I go so goddamn mad at him, partly because there 
was this Israeli woman I was smitten with who was agreeing with him. I was 
really furious. The Israeli lady would go on to marry an Australian, so I 
reckon she changed her mind.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> well, turning into animals wasn't a very widespread one, it's just one that I 
> remember one course participant on my TMSP course mention.
> 
> While at MIU/MUM I also remember:
> 
> -while I was at Prep Purusha, it was frowned upon to read while taking a dump 
> (something I almost always did).  Word on the street was that reading causes 
> an upward energy, while taking a dump is 'downward' energy and this causes 
> confusion to your body
> 
> -I remember being told not to eat pasta or potatoes (or anything heavy in 
> general) when it is raining because rain indicates Kappha, and the heavy 
> foods increase Kappha, and therefore you would have a severe Kappha imbalance
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Now that is one I had not heard - there is a sutra for understanding the 
> > language of animals, but not one to transform - I didn't realize how wide 
> > open this question is - I was really thinking of the really silly ones like 
> > the don't meditate with your hair wet deal. But turning into animals - 
> > that's a new one for me.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: seekliberation 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:11 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > > You mean, after the rumor got spread around
> > > that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
> > > 5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
> > > could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
> > > pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 
> > 
> > I remember at my Siddhi's course people were talking
> > about the invisibility sutra and the potential wonders
> > it could enable them to do.  I also remember another
> > person talking about a sutra that would enable siddhas
> > to turn themselves into animals.  Holy batshit, I can't even
> > get a 7 year old kid to believe something like that!
> > 
> > > But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
> > > murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
> > > cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
> > > rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
> > > on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
> > > in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
> > > in India. 
> > 
> > I think those rumors are among a bunch of rumors that Earl
> > Kaplan spilled the beans on.  Whether they're true or not,
> > we may never know.
> > 
> > seekliberation
> > 
> > > Go figure.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Philosophy and artificial intelligence.

[jr_esq]

In other words, a robot can be called intelligent if it can determine what 
awareness is.  Can it know that it knows?  Or, can it answer the questions:  
what is IS?  Who is the knower, who is the process of knowing, and who is the 
known?

If not, the robot is still a machine no matter how many calculations it can 
make per nanosecond.

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
>  Fascinating article by physicist and quantmu computing pioneer David
> Deutsch. Philosophy will be the key that unlocks artificial intelligence
> AI is achievable, but it will take more than computer science and
> neuroscience to develop machines that think like people
> 
> *  [Human brain]
> The defining attribute of an intelligent being, whether human or
> machine, is creativity.To state that the human brain has
> capabilities that are, in some respects, far superior to those of all
> other known objects in the cosmos would be uncontroversial. The brain is
> the only kind of object capable of understanding that the cosmos is even
> there, or why there are infinitely many prime numbers, or that apples
> fall because of the curvature of space-time, or that obeying its own
> inborn instincts can be morally wrong, or that it itself exists. Nor are
> its unique abilities confined to such cerebral matters. The cold,
> physical fact is that it is the only kind of object that can propel
> itself into space and back without harm, or predict and prevent a meteor
> strike on itself, or cool objects to a billionth of a degree above
> absolute zero, or detect others of its kind across galactic distances.
> But no brain on Earth is yet close to knowing what brains do in order to
> achieve any of that functionality. The enterprise of achieving it
> artificially – the field of "artificial general intelligence" or AGI
> – has made no progress whatever during the entire six decades of its
> existence.
> 
> Despite this long record of failure, AGI must be possible. That is
> because of a deep property of the laws of physics, namely the
> universality of computation. It entails that everything that the laws of
> physics require physical objects to do can, in principle, be emulated in
> arbitrarily fine detail by some program on a general-purpose computer,
> provided it is given enough time and memory.
> 
> So why has the field not progressed? In my view it is because, as an
> unknown sage once remarked, "it ain't what we don't know that causes
> trouble, it's what we know that just ain't so." I cannot think of any
> other significant field of knowledge where the prevailing wisdom, not
> only in society at large but among experts, is so beset with entrenched,
> overlapping, fundamental errors. Yet it has also been one of the most
> self-confident fields in prophesying that it will soon achieve the
> ultimate breakthrough.
> 
> In 1950, Alan Turing expected that by the year 2000, "one will be able
> to speak of machines thinking without expecting to be contradicted." In
> 1968, Arthur C Clarke expected it by 2001. Yet today, in 2012, no one is
> any better at programming an AGI than Turing himself would have been.
> 
> This does not surprise the dwindling band of opponents of the very
> possibility of AGI. But the other camp (the AGI-imminent one) recognises
> that this history of failure cries out to be explained – or, at
> least, to be rationalised away.
> 
> The very term "AGI" is an example of one such rationalisation, for the
> field used to be called "AI" – artificial intelligence. But AI was
> gradually appropriated to describe all sorts of unrelated computer
> programs such as game players, search engines and chatbots, until the G
> for "general" was added to make it possible to refer to the real thing
> again, but now with the implication that an AGI is just a smarter
> species of chatbot.
> 
> Another class of rationalisation runs along the general lines of: AGI
> isn't that great anyway; existing software is already as smart or
> smarter, but in a non-human way, and we are too vain or too culturally
> biased to give it due credit. This gets some traction because it invokes
> the persistently popular irrationality of cultural relativism, and also
> the related trope: "we humans pride ourselves on being the paragon of
> animals, but that pride is misplaced because they, too, have language,
> tools … And self-awareness." Remember the significance attributed to
> the computer system in the Terminator films, Skynet, becoming
> "self-aware"?
> 
> That's just another philosophical misconception, sufficient in itself to
> block any viable approach to AGI. The fact is that present-day software
> developers could straightforwardly program a computer to have
> "self-awareness" in the behavioural sense – for example, to pass the
> "mirror test" of being able to use a mirror to infer facts about itself
> – if they wanted to. As far as I am aware, no one has done so,
> presumably because it is a fairly useless ability as

[FairfieldLife] The Princess Bride cast, 25 years later

[turquoiseb]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2011/10/12/the-princess-bride_900.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[seekliberation]

well, turning into animals wasn't a very widespread one, it's just one that I 
remember one course participant on my TMSP course mention.

While at MIU/MUM I also remember:

-while I was at Prep Purusha, it was frowned upon to read while taking a dump 
(something I almost always did).  Word on the street was that reading causes an 
upward energy, while taking a dump is 'downward' energy and this causes 
confusion to your body

-I remember being told not to eat pasta or potatoes (or anything heavy in 
general) when it is raining because rain indicates Kappha, and the heavy foods 
increase Kappha, and therefore you would have a severe Kappha imbalance

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Now that is one I had not heard - there is a sutra for understanding the 
> language of animals, but not one to transform - I didn't realize how wide 
> open this question is - I was really thinking of the really silly ones like 
> the don't meditate with your hair wet deal. But turning into animals - that's 
> a new one for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: seekliberation 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:11 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
>  
> 
>   
> > You mean, after the rumor got spread around
> > that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
> > 5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
> > could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
> > pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 
> 
> I remember at my Siddhi's course people were talking
> about the invisibility sutra and the potential wonders
> it could enable them to do.  I also remember another
> person talking about a sutra that would enable siddhas
> to turn themselves into animals.  Holy batshit, I can't even
> get a 7 year old kid to believe something like that!
> 
> > But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
> > murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
> > cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
> > rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
> > on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
> > in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
> > in India. 
> 
> I think those rumors are among a bunch of rumors that Earl
> Kaplan spilled the beans on.  Whether they're true or not,
> we may never know.
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> > Go figure.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Shit, I knew you couldn't last seven hours in a day 
> > > without opening your big big-pie hole talking about 
> > > somebody!
> > >
> awoelflebater: 
> > M, did somebody mention pie? Although I like pumpkin 
> > pie well enough (seasonal now too) I must say my mother's 
> > apple pie with cinnamon and orange zest was the best I have 
> > ever had. Couple that with some Haagen Dazs ice cream and, 
> > man oh man, how delicious.
> >
> So, it's all about your Mother. LoL!
> 
>  
> > I must have missed something, who is authfriend talking 
> > about?
> >
> Marek? 
> 
> > I thought she was talking about a suggestion, not a 
> > person.
> > 
> Marek is a person, and his 'suggestion' just got dumped on 
> by Judy and several others. Shit, it wasn't three hours 
> into the day before somebody sent in a negative message 
> about someone! They just can't help it - some people just 
> feel better when they have someone to talk to. 

Now if you hadn't mentioned it I wouldn't have noticed. What you put your 
attention on grows stronger, now think apple pie...
> 
> Go figure,
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate

[Bhairitu]

The banks could write down the bad mortgages but they won't do it.  The 
CEOs of the major banks should be in the hoosegow anyway.  They are 
nothing but crooks. The interest on a mortgage could be 1/2 percent a 
year and the banks would still make money.  But they wouldn't want to do 
that (unless we the people required it for them to maintain their 
franchise) since they could make more money on loans for other things at 
higher interest.  Banks have always been a problem in the history of the 
world.

And we might consider that Obama doesn't want to win the election.  He 
and his administration should have heard the logical progression of 
events from economists who would predict food riots in the US by April 
(regardless of who's elected).  He may not want to be in the White House 
when the shit hits the fan.  And by 2014 the US might look like war torn 
Bosnia.


On 10/04/2012 10:53 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> I believe you're right.  Every economics expert i've viewed either on TV, 
> youtube, or some other web page, they all say that 16 Trillion is not 
> recoverable.  From one site, I can't remember which one, we actually passed 
> the 'unrecoverable' point around 8-10 trillion.  Now we're just adding to our 
> misery.
>
> If this system does collapse, i'd hate to be in the big cities.  The midwest 
> would be pretty safe though, they usually come together and make things work. 
>  The rest of the country could get ugly real fast.
>
> seekliberation
>
>
>
>> Honestly they can talk until the cows come home but the damage has been
>> done by the bankers to the economy.  It can't be fixed.  It has to
>> collapse but the only fair way is it to take out the bankers too.  Maybe
>> vigilante groups will form to see that happens.
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] More on Rumors

[Bhairitu]

On 10/04/2012 11:45 AM, mjackson74 wrote:
> I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably still on 
> Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - he was 
> browsing among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled upon the 
> tape where Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what your mother fed 
> you." which in my day was used as an excuse by many initiators to gobble up 
> as much ice cream and other refined sugar since M also said "refined sugar 
> for refined consciousness."
>
> Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were "eat 
> what your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed you, 
> those things that you know to be good for you."

I recall initiators recoiling at the idea.  Apparently a lot of 
initiator's moms weren't very good cooks. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

mjackson74:
> M = sex with the gals = not a rumor
> 
So, you were there, in the same room. How did you
get past the door-boy and the skin-boy? 

> > > > You mean, after the rumor got spread around
> > > > that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
> > > > 5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
> > > > could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
> > > > pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 
> > > >
> > seekliberation:
> > > I remember at my Siddhi's course people were talking
> > > about the invisibility sutra and the potential wonders
> > > it could enable them to do.  I also remember another
> > > person talking about a sutra that would enable siddhas
> > > to turn themselves into animals.  Holy batshit, I can't 
> > > even get a 7 year old kid to believe something like 
> > > that!
> > > 
> > > > But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
> > > > murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
> > > > cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
> > > > rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
> > > > on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
> > > > in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
> > > > in India. 
> > > 
> > > I think those rumors are among a bunch of rumors that Earl
> > > Kaplan spilled the beans on.  Whether they're true or not,
> > > we may never know.
> > > 
> > No, it wasn't Earl, it was Vajradhatu108 who spread
> > the MMY murder rumor and Rick Archer that spread the
> > MMY sex rumors.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[mjackson74]

M = sex with the gals = not a rumor



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > You mean, after the rumor got spread around
> > > that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
> > > 5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
> > > could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
> > > pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 
> > >
> seekliberation:
> > I remember at my Siddhi's course people were talking
> > about the invisibility sutra and the potential wonders
> > it could enable them to do.  I also remember another
> > person talking about a sutra that would enable siddhas
> > to turn themselves into animals.  Holy batshit, I can't 
> > even get a 7 year old kid to believe something like 
> > that!
> > 
> > > But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
> > > murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
> > > cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
> > > rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
> > > on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
> > > in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
> > > in India. 
> > 
> > I think those rumors are among a bunch of rumors that Earl
> > Kaplan spilled the beans on.  Whether they're true or not,
> > we may never know.
> > 
> No, it wasn't Earl, it was Vajradhatu108 who spread
> the MMY murder rumor and Rick Archer that spread the
> MMY sex rumors.
>

[FairfieldLife] More on Rumors

[mjackson74]

I remember having a conversation with Brett Hendrix (who is probably still on 
Purusha) who told me about conducting TTC in Europe years ago - he was browsing 
among the complete Movement tape collection and stumbled upon the tape where 
Maharishi made the famous pronouncement "Eat what your mother fed you." which 
in my day was used as an excuse by many initiators to gobble up as much ice 
cream and other refined sugar since M also said "refined sugar for refined 
consciousness."

Anyway, Brett watched the tape and said Maharishi's actual words were "eat what 
your mother fed you but choose from among those things she fed you, those 
things that you know to be good for you."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[Michael Jackson]

Now that is one I had not heard - there is a sutra for understanding the 
language of animals, but not one to transform - I didn't realize how wide open 
this question is - I was really thinking of the really silly ones like the 
don't meditate with your hair wet deal. But turning into animals - that's a new 
one for me.




 From: seekliberation 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor
 

  
> You mean, after the rumor got spread around
> that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
> 5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
> could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
> pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 

I remember at my Siddhi's course people were talking
about the invisibility sutra and the potential wonders
it could enable them to do.  I also remember another
person talking about a sutra that would enable siddhas
to turn themselves into animals.  Holy batshit, I can't even
get a 7 year old kid to believe something like that!

> But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
> murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
> cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
> rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
> on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
> in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
> in India. 

I think those rumors are among a bunch of rumors that Earl
Kaplan spilled the beans on.  Whether they're true or not,
we may never know.

seekliberation

> Go figure.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > Shit, I knew you couldn't last seven hours in a day 
> > without opening your big big-pie hole talking about 
> > somebody!
> >
awoelflebater: 
> M, did somebody mention pie? Although I like pumpkin 
> pie well enough (seasonal now too) I must say my mother's 
> apple pie with cinnamon and orange zest was the best I have 
> ever had. Couple that with some Haagen Dazs ice cream and, 
> man oh man, how delicious.
>
So, it's all about your Mother. LoL!

 
> I must have missed something, who is authfriend talking 
> about?
>
Marek? 

> I thought she was talking about a suggestion, not a 
> person.
> 
Marek is a person, and his 'suggestion' just got dumped on 
by Judy and several others. Shit, it wasn't three hours 
into the day before somebody sent in a negative message 
about someone! They just can't help it - some people just 
feel better when they have someone to talk to. 

Go figure,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate

[jr_esq]

It sounds like you've already given up the fight before you started.  The 
future is dependent on the will of the people to solve the government problems, 
particularly the enormous debt.  As such, the American voters should elect 
representatives to Congress who are willing to cooperate with the opposition 
party to reduce the deficit and national debt.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> I believe you're right.  Every economics expert i've viewed either on TV, 
> youtube, or some other web page, they all say that 16 Trillion is not 
> recoverable.  From one site, I can't remember which one, we actually passed 
> the 'unrecoverable' point around 8-10 trillion.  Now we're just adding to our 
> misery.
> 
> If this system does collapse, i'd hate to be in the big cities.  The midwest 
> would be pretty safe though, they usually come together and make things work. 
>  The rest of the country could get ugly real fast.
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> 
> 
> > Honestly they can talk until the cows come home but the damage has been 
> > done by the bankers to the economy.  It can't be fixed.  It has to 
> > collapse but the only fair way is it to take out the bankers too.  Maybe 
> > vigilante groups will form to see that happens.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[Richard J. Williams]

> > You mean, after the rumor got spread around
> > that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
> > 5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
> > could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
> > pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 
> >
seekliberation:
> I remember at my Siddhi's course people were talking
> about the invisibility sutra and the potential wonders
> it could enable them to do.  I also remember another
> person talking about a sutra that would enable siddhas
> to turn themselves into animals.  Holy batshit, I can't 
> even get a 7 year old kid to believe something like 
> that!
> 
> > But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
> > murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
> > cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
> > rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
> > on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
> > in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
> > in India. 
> 
> I think those rumors are among a bunch of rumors that Earl
> Kaplan spilled the beans on.  Whether they're true or not,
> we may never know.
> 
No, it wasn't Earl, it was Vajradhatu108 who spread
the MMY murder rumor and Rick Archer that spread the
MMY sex rumors.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > I'm responding to Share's suggestion about Wednesday under
> > > the original thread started by marek as a reminder about
> > > the basic guidelines, which I think are great, about nothing
> > > positive or negative about any particular poster on that day.
> > >
> authfriend:
> > Um, Marek's suggestion was just his suggestion; it was not
> > a reminder of the basic guidelines for FFL because it is
> > not a part of those guidelines. Nor is it the case that we've
> > all agreed to the suggestion. Nobody should feel obliged to
> > follow it. I'm not sure how anyone got the idea that it's a
> > done deal.
> > 
> Shit, I knew you couldn't last seven hours in a day without 
> opening your big big-pie hole talking about somebody!

M, did somebody mention pie? Although I like pumpkin pie well enough 
(seasonal now too) I must say my mother's apple pie with cinnamon and orange 
zest was the best I have ever had. Couple that with some Haagen Dazs ice cream 
and, man oh man, how delicious.

I must have missed something, who is authfriend talking about? I thought she 
was talking about a suggestion, not a person.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Marek, I vote for Wednesday as the special day rather than Thursday.  
> Because in the FFL jyotish chart the ruler of Wednesday Mercury, is 
> exalted.  Whereas the ruler of thursday, Jupiter is conjunct Rahu, opposite 
> ketu and Mars.  I don't think that's very auspicious but welcome John and 
> Ravi further enlightening us on this.
> 
> My second vote would be for Friday because ruler Venus is in ninth house, a 
> dharmic house.

If I may add my suggestion. Saturday could be an extremely auspicious one as 
well because Friday nights I wear my Peanuts Snoopy pajamas after flossing with 
waxed, mint-flavoured dental floss. As we all know, this juxtaposes very 
readily with the fact that I had a chocolate sunday with peanut butter which 
tends to stick in the teeth if it is the crunchy style. Of course, add that to 
the fact that the Harvest moon last week occurred while I was baking an apple 
pie the influence on Saturday will be subtle but significant. Then, not to 
mention that Saturdays are well known to be universally recognized as "fun" 
days where the possibilities for sport and recreation abound it all points to 
Saturdays being the day of choice for our little FFL experiment. But I could be 
persuaded otherwise, that is if the slippers I happen to be wearing at the time 
are not pointed towards a south-facing entrance to nowhere.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:20 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend
>  
> 
>   
> http://vimeo.com/39497405
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > I'm responding to Share's suggestion about Wednesday under
> > the original thread started by marek as a reminder about
> > the basic guidelines, which I think are great, about nothing
> > positive or negative about any particular poster on that day.
> >
authfriend:
> Um, Marek's suggestion was just his suggestion; it was not
> a reminder of the basic guidelines for FFL because it is
> not a part of those guidelines. Nor is it the case that we've
> all agreed to the suggestion. Nobody should feel obliged to
> follow it. I'm not sure how anyone got the idea that it's a
> done deal.
> 
Shit, I knew you couldn't last seven hours in a day without 
opening your big big-pie hole talking about somebody!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy

[Ravi Chivukula]

Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - I'm in
a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, intoxicated
state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work.

Love,
Ravi

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Share Long  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-:
>
> But Ravi, about Marek:  maybe he has his moronic moments as we all do.
> Maybe he has his inauthentic moments as we all do.  But I don't think he
> could do the job he does and be moronic by nature.  Nor do I think he could
> surf if he was inauthentic.  Nature's the best reality check.
>
> As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments.  But I also do my
> spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day.  I do this no
> matter the weather, no matter my mood.  That's grown up in my book.  I face
> my fears including fear of dying.  That's grown up in my book.  I admit I
> make mistakes.  Also grown up in my book.  I forgive others their
> mistakes.  Also grown up in my book.  etc. etc.
> Share
>
>   --
> *From:* Ravi Chivukula 
> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi
>
>
> Awesome dear Share, I'm glad you had a good time !!! I'm the blast? Sorry
> I didn't get that - unless you are saying I am cool, if so I am totally
> cool with that :-)
>
> Love,
> Ravi
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Share Long  wrote:
>
> **
>
>  dear Ravi, just back from John Newton shindig.  Good crowd.  Powerful
> healings.  Guess what?  You ARE the blast!  love, share
>
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Ravi Chivukula 
> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi
>
>
> Wonderful dear Share - I wish all the good luck in this entire existence
> to you !!!
>
> Though I personally only believe in myself, have always only believed in
> myself and I think all healers, Gurus, religions, gods are false, they are
> all frauds. However it's really good for entertainment, just as we watch
> movies, art, dance, drama - stimulate the heart, feel those emotions - sure
> I only like singing to my beloved but occasionally I sing Bhajans to
> fantasy divine Mother, fantasy Krishna and I really have a blast !!!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Share Long  wrote:
>
> **
>
>  dear Ravi, it means so much to me that you love me in spite of my
> mistakes and flaws.  Maybe there will be less of those after I've worked
> with healer John Newton for the next 4 days.  Fingers crossed!  love, Share
>
>   --
> *From:* Ravi Chivukula 
> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ann Emily Ravi
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Share Long  wrote:
>
> **
>
>
>
> TO RAVI:
> Dear Ravi, as far as I can tell, you have never been the target of Robin's
> fixing mode.  So I don't think you really know what it feels like to have
> him attribute thoughts and feelings to you that you never even had.  And to
> have him do that over and over.  Perhaps then you too would be forceful
> with him.  I don't agree with you that I was brutal.
>
>
>
> Oh Dear Share - No one has any power over me, my feelings or thoughts -
> even such a notion is totally alien to me. Here's where we have to part -
> Robin is one of the most honest, truthful, sincere persons I have ever come
> across my life, he's one of the very few to earn my respect and I totally
> disagree and your choice of the words "psychological rape" is just brutal
> and violent, doesn't represent the reality of who the person Robin is. But
> this will not stop me from loving you.
>
> Love,
> Ravi.
>
>
>
> Yet I want to make sure you know I'm not denying your feelings, I wouldn't
> dare deny it and I'm sorry to hear you feel so.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[seekliberation]

> You mean, after the rumor got spread around
> that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
> 5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
> could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
> pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 

I remember at my Siddhi's course people were talking
about the invisibility sutra and the potential wonders
it could enable them to do.  I also remember another
person talking about a sutra that would enable siddhas
to turn themselves into animals.  Holy batshit, I can't even
get a 7 year old kid to believe something like that!


> But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
> murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
> cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
> rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
> on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
> in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
> in India. 

I think those rumors are among a bunch of rumors that Earl
Kaplan spilled the beans on.  Whether they're true or not,
we may never know.

seekliberation


> Go figure.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> I was thinking today of what a rumor mill 
> the Movement has always been, so I am 
> asking anyone who cares to, to contribute 
> their best TM rumor...
>
You mean, after the rumor got spread around
that with TM you could get 'enlightenment' in 
5-7 years and with the TM-Siddhi program you
could 'levitate'? After those, it would be
pretty difficult to cite any bigger rumors. 

But, the really big rumors are that MMY 
murdered SBS in a conspiracy with the ashram 
cook, to poision SBS's food, and the other 
rumor about MMY having coitus with Jennefer 
on MMY's tiger skin under a painting of SBS
in the middle of the night at a yoga camp
in India. 

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate

[seekliberation]

I believe you're right.  Every economics expert i've viewed either on TV, 
youtube, or some other web page, they all say that 16 Trillion is not 
recoverable.  From one site, I can't remember which one, we actually passed the 
'unrecoverable' point around 8-10 trillion.  Now we're just adding to our 
misery.

If this system does collapse, i'd hate to be in the big cities.  The midwest 
would be pretty safe though, they usually come together and make things work.  
The rest of the country could get ugly real fast.

seekliberation



> Honestly they can talk until the cows come home but the damage has been 
> done by the bankers to the economy.  It can't be fixed.  It has to 
> collapse but the only fair way is it to take out the bankers too.  Maybe 
> vigilante groups will form to see that happens.
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

mjackson74:
> I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the 
> Movement has always been, so I am asking anyone 
> who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor 
> (the one about mantras coming from the Buddhists 
> doesn't count)...
>
Shit, I knew it wouoldn't last three hours! Some
people just cannot keep their pie-holes shut
without posting something negative about someone
else at least once or twice a day. Go figure. 

"Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting 
little experiment: perhaps FFL could designate one 
day of the week where everyone agrees to post no 
comments about any other poster, whether positive 
or negative..." - Marek Reavis 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Big Babboo

[Bhairitu]

On 10/04/2012 04:25 AM, j_alexander_stanley wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>>
>>
>>   
>> [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76220_1015124919\
>> 0881743_1881480442_n.jpg]
>> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76220_10151249190\
>> 881743_1881480442_n.jpg
>> > 0881743_1881480442_n.jpg>
>>
> All it needs now is a hub motor and a battery pack.
>
>

In some Asian movies I've seen mopeds sported out with a cab and trunk.  
Something like that would probably sell well here.  Electric cars are 
still too expensive for what they are or I would get one for majority of 
my jaunts around here. Gem cars were too slow.  I recall a couple that 
drove one around here but dumped it for a smart car.   The city and 
county still use them though (and they also were ones that had to turn 
in those GM electrics a decade or so ago).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion to LG108 and Bhairitu

[Share Long]

Yep, LG108, I realized that too.  That indeed Marek had posted on a Wednesday.  
I'd also prefer Wednesday because then there are 2 days left to vent.  Just in 
case anyone feels pent up after all that being positive (-:

Bhairitu, I would say that complimenting someone falls within the spirit of 
Marek's suggestion if not actually within the letter of the law.  OTOH, was it 
a law?




 From: laughinggull108 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion
 

  
I'm responding to Share's suggestion about Wednesday under the original thread 
started by marek as a reminder about the basic guidelines, which I think are 
great, about nothing positive or negative about any particular poster on that 
day.

Share, I've learned something about jyotish in your suggestion. Wednesday 
sounds good; if fact, marek, who came up with the idea, posted the first 
contribution yesterday, a Wednesday. I only suggested Thursday because most of 
us who have been highly involved in the movement at some point in our lives 
probably remember Thursdays as something very special as the day of the guru.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
>
> Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: perhaps 
> FFL could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to post no 
> comments about any other poster, whether positive or negative, but rather, 
> about an idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else that isn't 
> commentary on any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack of integrity, 
> etc., or the opposite.
> 
> Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if there 
> was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard cavil that 
> characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day off and just 
> enjoy what people are interested in and write about.
> 
> Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
> simple images and music:
> 
> https://vimeo.com/49951982
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate 2012

[Bhairitu]

On 10/03/2012 10:31 PM, raunchydog wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> One word: boring.  I fell asleep about 40 minutes into it and I suppose
>> everyone but political wonks did too.  Romney looked like a Mormon
>> church lady.  just put a granny dress and a wig on him and he would be
>> mistaken for one.  And he's about as dated as one too.  So 19th century
>> and such a putz.  Haven't we had enough putz Presidents?
>>
>> Of course they can "tawk 'til da cows come home" about what they're
>> "gonna due" but by now we don't fall for that gag anymore.
>>
> Whoever prepped Obama sure didn't do him any favors. Mitt lied his ass off, 
> and Obama let him get away with it. Mitt kept saying Obamacare would take 
> $716 Billion from Medicare and Obama failed to rebut this well documented 
> lie. Obama's Iowa ads hit Mitt hard on his 47% remark. Obama didn't make a 
> peep about it. Mitt implied our do nothing Congress was Obama's fault. Was 
> Obama so asleep during his own presidency that he couldn't remember to say 
> that the Republicans turned down every compromise he put forward? Obama's 
> performance was disappointing. Romney will probably get a boost in the polls. 
> Obama has some catching up to do.

Obama referred to his administration while Romney sounded like a 
dictator.   Of course Americans are stupid enough to buy a "dictator" 
over an "administration" though those who are wise know that it is the 
latter that actually runs the show.   If you ever read "Mein Kampf" then 
you would know the first 50 pages were blather to cater to the 
countryside illiterate in Germany while the educated dismissed it as 
garbage.  Such is right wing talk radio and TV nowadays.  Of course the 
debate was also the "me people" (Romney) versus the "we people" with 
Obama.  The "me people" are so yesterday.

And you are right, all Obama needed to do was point out how the 
Republicans created the economic mess we're in and turned it over to his 
administration as if it was the "janitor" to clean up the place after 
their drunken party.  Of course if Obama had done such then the sparks 
would really fly but then I probably wouldn't have fallen asleep.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[Bhairitu]

The problem with the idea in general was what if you wanted to 
compliment somebody on that day?  That would be banned too.  Even with a 
web interface one doesn't need to read every message on FFL as if the 
magic token will be there to pop one into enlightenment.  That "magic 
token" doesn't exist. But since I read via email it is much easier to 
ignore the OCD chats that happen here and would work better as a chat 
room brawl.

On 10/04/2012 08:37 AM, laughinggull108 wrote:
> I'm responding to Share's suggestion about Wednesday under the original 
> thread started by marek as a reminder about the basic guidelines, which I 
> think are great, about nothing positive or negative about any particular 
> poster on that day.
>
> Share, I've learned something about jyotish in your suggestion. Wednesday 
> sounds good; if fact, marek, who came up with the idea, posted the first 
> contribution yesterday, a Wednesday. I only suggested Thursday because most 
> of us who have been highly involved in the movement at some point in our 
> lives probably remember Thursdays as something very special as the day of the 
> guru.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
>> Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: perhaps 
>> FFL could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to post no 
>> comments about any other poster, whether positive or negative, but rather, 
>> about an idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else that isn't 
>> commentary on any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack of integrity, 
>> etc., or the opposite.
>>
>> Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if 
>> there was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard 
>> cavil that characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day off 
>> and just enjoy what people are interested in and write about.
>>
>> Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
>> simple images and music:
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/49951982
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Party Down Time in Leiden

[Bhairitu]

You didn't answer my question even if you made a lame attempt with your 
video reply.  You see as others would tell you here, "Downtown Girls" is 
my video.  Captain Bebops is one of my handles and my video channel.  
There is also an HD version which is separate since YouTube doesn't 
allow video updating.  If "Amateurs" and "Ed Wood" were your idea of a 
critique I may remind you that the venue is YouTube and not worth 
putting a lot of time into a project.  It's a venue where stupid pet 
videos predominate.

So where's your videos?

On 10/03/2012 10:04 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEiGS2dBbxg
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CawVaHxWvnA
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> Do you know the difference between the video I posted and the one you
>> did in reply?
>>
>> On 10/03/2012 04:40 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mg8SyAJfaw
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cAD68ISy6k

 On 10/03/2012 11:44 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU98KwL_pQ8&feature=related
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>> So you missed my "Looper" micro review?  I won't try to guess
>>> if you'll like it but you might like it better than "Prometheus."
>> That's sort of a low hurdle. :-) I saw your mini-review,
>> and thank you for providing it, but I just didn't have
>> any comments, not having seen it. It hasn't become avail-
>> able either on screens or on eyepatch channels here yet.
>> I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt a lot, and tend to watch
>> anything he's in, so I'm waiting impatiently for this
>> one. I also have a soft spot in my heart for Bruce
>> Willis, so I'll be hoping for the best in him as well.
>>
>> I haven't seen much lately to tell you about, because
>> I've been (pleasantly) nose-down in either work or play
>> lately. I haven't even had a chance to catch up on some
>> of my fave returning TV shows (except for "Dexter," which
>> of course is a "don't miss") and only one of my Guilty
>> Pleasure series, which include "Once Upon A Time" and
>> "Revenge" and "Haven." Saw the season opener of "Homeland"
>> and enjoyed it. I haven't seen any movies that knocked
>> my socks off enough to review them here, but I have hopes
>> for Woody Allen's newest "To Rome With Love," and "Jay
>> And Bob Get Old: Tea Bagging In The UK," which is pretty
>> much a "don't miss" for a Kevin Smith fanboy such as
>> myself. Still looking forward to "Samsara," which I have
>> not been able to track down yet, and to "Cloud Atlas,"
>> to see whether it's a glorious mess or just glorious.
>>
>>> Of course I've already weighed in on the drama queens
>>> soap opera.
>> It's kinda embarrassing, isn't it? One wonders whether
>> the actors who had to play characters like this on TV
>> soap operas ever got so embarrassed by what they did
>> for a living that they had to quit? H...now that
>> I think of it, that's exactly what Salma Hayek did.
>> Probably some others who got their start in soaps, too.
>>
>> Despite me still being -- after all these years and
>> all these experiences along the Way -- more of a hopeful
>> romantic than a hopeless one, I don't think I have much
>> faith in these FFL actors' ability to drop their roles
>> and take on meatier parts. They've kinda become the
>> characters they play. If the makeup ever came off, so,
>> I suspect, would everything they cherish and identify
>> with about their selves, and who they are. Can't risk
>> that.
>>
>> Their loss.
>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 17258

[Bhairitu]

It's sitting on my DVR.  I had forgotten that they had moved the show 
from Friday to Weds so wondered what was being recorded at 9 PM.  I've 
been a long time fan of the show since they had some actual tantric 
stuff in it though was a little disappointed with their foray into the 
bullshit world of Christian mysticism.

I was watching "The Unknown" on DVD with Dominic Monaghan ("Lost") which 
is 6 episodes of the Crackle web series.  Web series are certainly a 
trend.  I need to find if Tom Hanks web series had debuted yet.  He saw 
it as a good way to stay away from the demands of studio execs.  
Probably watching it on DVD was preferable as Crackle has commercials 
though tolerable at only 15 seconds each.  It's a Sony owned site and 
they keep trying all kinds of ideas to fit the changing world of 
entertainment and the app is on my Sony BD Player.

On 10/04/2012 08:32 AM, Steve Montignani wrote:
>   The season opener of Scifi series "Supernatural" paid homage to Fairfield,
> Ia.  In their hunt for a  brief mention
>
> On Thursday, October 4, 2012, wrote:
>
>> **
>>[image: Yahoo! Groups] 
>> 
>>Fairfield Life  Group 
>> 
>>  15 New Messages
>> Digest #17258
>> 1.1
>>   Re: today PS [to Judy]  by
>> "jedi_spock" jedi_spock
>> 1.2
>>   Re: today PS [to Judy]  by
>> "anartaxius" anartaxius
>> 1.3
>>   Re: today PS [to Judy]  by
>> "authfriend" authfriend
>>  2a
>>   Barry's Big Babboo  by "turquoiseb"
>> turquoiseb
>> 2b
>>   Re: Barry's Big Babboo  by
>> "j_alexander_stanley" j_alexander_stanley
>>  3
>>   Thursday Contribution: A Scene from The Joy Luck Club
>>  by "laughinggull108" laughinggull108
>>  4a
>>   for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma
>>  by "Share Long" sharelong60
>> 4b
>>   Re: for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma
>>  by "laughinggull108" laughinggull108
>> 4c
>>   Re: for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma
>>  by "Share Long" sharelong60
>>  5a
>>   Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend
>>  by "marekreavis" marekreavis
>> 5b
>>   Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend
>>  by "Share Long" sharelong60
>>  6.1
>>   Re: today PS to Robin  by
>> "anartaxius" anartaxius
>>  7
>>   To Barry  by "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
>> anartaxius
>>  8
>>   Best TM Rumor  by "mjackson74"
>> mjackson74
>>  9a
>>   Re: The Debate  by "seekliberation"
>> seekliberation
>>
>>Messages
>>   1.1   Re: today PS [to Judy] 
>> 
>>Thu Oct 4, 2012 1:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:   "jedi_spock" jedi_spock
>>
>>
>> --- "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>>>
>> 
>>> I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture
>>> of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony
>>> vacillating between having been in unity or not having
>>> been. People, if they are to 'pursue' reality need a
>>> consistent picture of it even if the picture is false. The
>>> picture is never truth, it is just a signpost that points
>>> you in, hop
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate 2012

[Bhairitu]

"Presidental" in what way?  Like the "Presidents" you see on TV and in 
the movies.  That's what the stupid American public thinks is 
"Presidential."  They've groomed him that way but he's just another 
empty suit.  Ask yourself if you would buy a car from that man?

On 10/04/2012 12:54 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> I almost felt sorry for Obama. Romney looked, acted and talked  presidential. 
> Had command of the facts and figures.Obama looked like a little boy getting a 
> scolding for playing hookie the past four years. Can't wait for the 
> Biden/Ryan debate! Morning Joe aught to be a real scream in the morning.
>
>   
>
> 
>   From: raunchydog 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:31 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate 2012
>
>
> 
>   
>
>
> --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> One word: boring.  I fell asleep about 40 minutes into it and I suppose
>> everyone but political wonks did too.  Romney looked like a Mormon
>> church lady.  just put a granny dress and a wig on him and he would be
>> mistaken for one.  And he's about as dated as one too.  So 19th century
>> and such a putz.  Haven't we had enough putz Presidents?
>>
>> Of course they can "tawk 'til da cows come home" about what they're
>> "gonna due" but by now we don't fall for that gag anymore.
>>
> Whoever prepped Obama sure didn't do him any favors. Mitt lied his ass off, 
> and Obama let him get away with it. Mitt kept saying Obamacare would take 
> $716 Billion from Medicare and Obama failed to rebut this well documented 
> lie. Obama's Iowa ads hit Mitt hard on his 47% remark. Obama didn't make a 
> peep about it. Mitt implied our do nothing Congress was Obama's fault. Was 
> Obama so asleep during his own presidency that he couldn't remember to say 
> that the Republicans turned down every compromise he put forward? Obama's 
> performance was disappointing. Romney will probably get a boost in the polls. 
> Obama has some catching up to do.
>
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate

[Bhairitu]

They are preparing us for collapse with dystopian future TV shows and 
movies.  I thought "Looper" had a good take on what the dystopian future 
would look like and gun confiscation wasn't part of it. ;-)

Honestly they can talk until the cows come home but the damage has been 
done by the bankers to the economy.  It can't be fixed.  It has to 
collapse but the only fair way is it to take out the bankers too.  Maybe 
vigilante groups will form to see that happens.

On 10/04/2012 07:24 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> I didn't get to see it, but it sounds pretty bad when even most liberals and 
> democrats are saying he didn't look too well.  However, it makes little 
> difference IMO.  I think Obama will still take the electorate.  Romney needs 
> to turn about 6 states in his favor, only 2-3 of which look like he might be 
> able to.  It'll be a good fight, but Obama's got the numbers in his favor.
>
> I, personally, am looking so forward to BHO taking us to 20 trillion in debt. 
>  I just wonder if things will collapse first.
>
> seekliberation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
>> Yes Uncleji - boring as hell and I started to feel asleep as well, finally
>> turned it off but had agree to with the experts - Mitt seemed to do well
>> and Obama looked annoyed :-)
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> One word: boring. I fell asleep about 40 minutes into it and I suppose
>>> everyone but political wonks did too. Romney looked like a Mormon
>>> church lady. just put a granny dress and a wig on him and he would be
>>> mistaken for one. And he's about as dated as one too. So 19th century
>>> and such a putz. Haven't we had enough putz Presidents?
>>>
>>> Of course they can "tawk 'til da cows come home" about what they're
>>> "gonna due" but by now we don't fall for that gag anymore.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> I'm responding to Share's suggestion about Wednesday under
> the original thread started by marek as a reminder about
> the basic guidelines, which I think are great, about nothing
> positive or negative about any particular poster on that day.

Um, Marek's suggestion was just his suggestion; it was not
a reminder of the basic guidelines for FFL because it is
not a part of those guidelines. Nor is it the case that we've
all agreed to the suggestion. Nobody should feel obliged to
follow it. I'm not sure how anyone got the idea that it's a
done deal.




> 
> Share, I've learned something about jyotish in your suggestion. Wednesday 
> sounds good; if fact, marek, who came up with the idea, posted the first 
> contribution yesterday, a Wednesday. I only suggested Thursday because most 
> of us who have been highly involved in the movement at some point in our 
> lives probably remember Thursdays as something very special as the day of the 
> guru.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: perhaps 
> > FFL could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to post no 
> > comments about any other poster, whether positive or negative, but rather, 
> > about an idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else that isn't 
> > commentary on any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack of integrity, 
> > etc., or the opposite.
> > 
> > Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if 
> > there was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard 
> > cavil that characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day off 
> > and just enjoy what people are interested in and write about.
> > 
> > Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
> > simple images and music:
> > 
> > https://vimeo.com/49951982
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[laughinggull108]

I'm responding to Share's suggestion about Wednesday under the original thread 
started by marek as a reminder about the basic guidelines, which I think are 
great, about nothing positive or negative about any particular poster on that 
day.

Share, I've learned something about jyotish in your suggestion. Wednesday 
sounds good; if fact, marek, who came up with the idea, posted the first 
contribution yesterday, a Wednesday. I only suggested Thursday because most of 
us who have been highly involved in the movement at some point in our lives 
probably remember Thursdays as something very special as the day of the guru.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
>
> Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: perhaps 
> FFL could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to post no 
> comments about any other poster, whether positive or negative, but rather, 
> about an idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else that isn't 
> commentary on any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack of integrity, 
> etc., or the opposite.
> 
> Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if there 
> was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard cavil that 
> characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day off and just 
> enjoy what people are interested in and write about.
> 
> Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
> simple images and music:
> 
> https://vimeo.com/49951982
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 17258

[Steve Montignani]

 The season opener of Scifi series "Supernatural" paid homage to Fairfield,
Ia.  In their hunt for a  brief mention

On Thursday, October 4, 2012, wrote:

> **
>   [image: Yahoo! Groups] 
> 
>   Fairfield Life  Group 
> 
> 15 New Messages
> Digest #17258
>1.1
>  Re: today PS [to Judy]  by
> "jedi_spock" jedi_spock
>1.2
>  Re: today PS [to Judy]  by
> "anartaxius" anartaxius
>1.3
>  Re: today PS [to Judy]  by
> "authfriend" authfriend
> 2a
>  Barry's Big Babboo  by "turquoiseb"
> turquoiseb
>2b
>  Re: Barry's Big Babboo  by
> "j_alexander_stanley" j_alexander_stanley
> 3
>  Thursday Contribution: A Scene from The Joy Luck Club
>  by "laughinggull108" laughinggull108
> 4a
>  for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma
>  by "Share Long" sharelong60
>4b
>  Re: for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma
>  by "laughinggull108" laughinggull108
>4c
>  Re: for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma
>  by "Share Long" sharelong60
> 5a
>  Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend
>  by "marekreavis" marekreavis
>5b
>  Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend
>  by "Share Long" sharelong60
> 6.1
>  Re: today PS to Robin  by
> "anartaxius" anartaxius
> 7
>  To Barry  by "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> anartaxius
> 8
>  Best TM Rumor  by "mjackson74"
> mjackson74
> 9a
>  Re: The Debate  by "seekliberation"
> seekliberation
>
>   Messages
>  1.1   Re: today PS [to Judy] 
> 
>   Thu Oct 4, 2012 1:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:   "jedi_spock" jedi_spock
>
>
> --- "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> >
> >
> 
> > I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture
> > of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony
> > vacillating between having been in unity or not having
> > been. People, if they are to 'pursue' reality need a
> > consistent picture of it even if the picture is false. The
> > picture is never truth, it is just a signpost that points
> > you in, hop
>


-- 
Steve Montignani Mobile

Re: [FairfieldLife] Best TM Rumor

[Mike Dixon]

It's not true?

 


 From: mjackson74 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Best TM Rumor
  

 
   
 
I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always been, so I am 
asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor (the one about 
mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)

My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working for credit 
to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina felt they 
needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us staffers, the 
liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the greatest one was: 
"Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves upward out of the body 
through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet, the stress will slide down 
your wet hair and go back into the bottom of your spine."

She was dead serious.

   
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy

[Share Long]

Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-:

But Ravi, about Marek:  maybe he has his moronic moments as we all do.  Maybe 
he has his inauthentic moments as we all do.  But I don't think he could do the 
job he does and be moronic by nature.  Nor do I think he could surf if he was 
inauthentic.  Nature's the best reality check.

As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments.  But I also do my 
spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day.  I do this no 
matter the weather, no matter my mood.  That's grown up in my book.  I face my 
fears including fear of dying.  That's grown up in my book.  I admit I make 
mistakes.  Also grown up in my book.  I forgive others their mistakes.  Also 
grown up in my book.  etc. etc.  
Share




 From: Ravi Chivukula 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi
 

  
Awesome dear Share, I'm glad you had a good time !!! I'm the blast? Sorry I 
didn't get that - unless you are saying I am cool, if so I am totally cool with 
that :-)

Love,
Ravi


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Share Long  wrote:

 
>  
>dear Ravi, just back from John Newton shindig.  Good crowd.  Powerful 
>healings.  Guess what?  You ARE the blast!  love, share
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi
> 
>
>
>  
>Wonderful dear Share - I wish all the good luck in this entire existence to 
>you !!!
>
>
>Though I personally only believe in myself, have always only believed in 
>myself and I think all healers, Gurus, religions, gods are false, they are all 
>frauds. However it's really good for entertainment, just as we watch movies, 
>art, dance, drama - stimulate the heart, feel those emotions - sure I only 
>like singing to my beloved but occasionally I sing Bhajans to fantasy divine 
>Mother, fantasy Krishna and I really have a blast !!!
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Share Long  wrote:
>
> 
>>  
>>dear Ravi, it means so much to me that you love me in spite of my mistakes 
>>and flaws.  Maybe there will be less of those after I've worked with healer 
>>John Newton for the next 4 days.  Fingers crossed!  love, Share
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:19 PM
>>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ann Emily Ravi
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Ravi Chivukula  
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Share Long  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
  




TO RAVI:
Dear Ravi, as far as I can tell, you have never been the target of Robin's 
fixing mode.  So I don't think you really know what it feels like to have 
him attribute thoughts and feelings to you that you never even had.  And to 
have him do that over and over.  Perhaps then you too would be forceful 
with him.  I don't agree with you that I was brutal.
 
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh Dear Share - No one has any power over me, my feelings or thoughts - even 
>>>such a notion is totally alien to me. Here's where we have to part - Robin 
>>>is one of the most honest, truthful, sincere persons I have ever come across 
>>>my life, he's one of the very few to earn my respect and I totally disagree 
>>>and your choice of the words "psychological rape" is just brutal and 
>>>violent, doesn't represent the reality of who the person Robin is. But this 
>>>will not stop me from loving you.
>>>
>>>
>>>Love,
>>>Ravi.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Yet I want to make sure you know I'm not denying your feelings, I wouldn't 
>>dare deny it and I'm sorry to hear you feel so.
>>
>>
>
>
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor

[seekliberation]

I think the best TM rumors (or myths) has to be one of 2 things:

1.  The whole creation of "Heaven on Earth"

2.  The whole "getting enlightened in 1 lifetime" concept

First of all, both myths have to ignore certain axioms which are the basis of 
Hindu thought, as well as many eastern teachings.  We are supposedly in a cycle 
of birth and death and some of us are further along than others.  The only way 
we could truly create Heaven on Earth is if we only accepted older and 
enlightened souls into this world.  So what would we do with the younger souls? 
 Not allow them in?  Put them in exile?  Meditate them to perfection in one 
lifetime?  

This world is much like a 3rd grade classroom.  We may be able to implement 
some policies and teachings that increase the orderliness of the place, but 
you're still going to have to wait for the children to become adults before you 
can expect them to move out of the house and become truly self-sufficient full 
grown people.  

It's the same with enlightenment.  We could by all means help this world out by 
spreading certain teachings.  But at the end of the day, a young soul is a 
young soul, and some will just take a lot more lifetimes to get to a point 
where they create no problems.

Overall, heaven on earth and enlightenment in one lifetime, to me, was a fairy 
tale designed to keep people committed for a longer time.  I am convinced we 
have a much longer way to these goals than the TMO would like us to believe.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always been, so I 
> am asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor (the one 
> about mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)
> 
> My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working for credit 
> to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina felt they 
> needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us staffers, the 
> liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the greatest one was: 
> "Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves upward out of the body 
> through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet, the stress will slide down 
> your wet hair and go back into the bottom of your spine."
> 
> She was dead serious.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jedi_spock"  wrote:
> > ---  "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> > > I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
> > > of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
> > > vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
> > > been. People, if they are to 'pursue' reality need a  
> > > consistent picture of it even if the picture is false. The 
> > > picture is never truth, it is just a signpost that points 
> > > you in, hopefully, a useful direction, and once it has  
> > > served its purpose, the picture is discarded. TM is a  
> > > pointer. It shows one on the basis of experience that  
> > > there is more to experience than what one thinks.
> > > 
> > > In general the complexity of Robin's speech, I think,  
> > > obscures understanding for most people, and does not  
> > > represent a useful way to teach most people about reality. 
> > > So, what is your understanding of the sentence of Robin's 
> > > I quoted? Because you said 'I suspect this is a manner of 
> > > speaking' in referring to the quote, I would suppose it is 
> > > not entirely clear in your mind either.
> > 
> > Again, it's this kind of vacillating and contradictions that 
> > he expresses over and over again that worries me.  At times 
> > he seems to say simultaneously that he was in Unity and not 
> > in Unity at the same time.

Did you read what Xeno wrote? Let me quote it for you again:

"I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
been."

Obviously Xeno finds Robin's use of irony about having
been in unity confusing, but he does recognize that it's
irony. There's no "vacillating and contradictions" when
Robin isn't speaking ironically, so no need to worry.

> Well the duality is still there even in unity, one can have
> duality in unity if one wants it - it is not really a thing
> one can describe. But I get your point. I do not think Robin
> is making use of paradox as a teaching tool to get us to see
> beyond the paradox.

That's right. He's using irony as a tool of personal
expression. No paradox involved, no teaching involved.

> That is, his thinking (as I am seeing it by surmise), does
> not see through the paradox, but vacillates, as you say,
> between the two poles of the paradox which is thus not
> resolved.

No, Xeno, as you said to start with, it's irony, self-
deprecating. There's no paradox. He *was* in unity 30-some
years ago; he no longer is. He has been very, very clear
about that when he speaks nonironically.

> As a result, illumination from listening to Robin does
> not occur, only confusion results that *seems* to have an
> aura of illumination about it because of his skill in
> weaving the tangled mess together.

If you don't realize when he's being ironic and when he's
being serious, it's no wonder you're confused. There's no
"aura of illumination" and no "tangled mess," just your
inability to tell when he's being ironic.

Here's how to tell: If he seems to be saying he's in unity
now, he's being ironic. Really very simple.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate

[seekliberation]

I didn't get to see it, but it sounds pretty bad when even most liberals and 
democrats are saying he didn't look too well.  However, it makes little 
difference IMO.  I think Obama will still take the electorate.  Romney needs to 
turn about 6 states in his favor, only 2-3 of which look like he might be able 
to.  It'll be a good fight, but Obama's got the numbers in his favor.

I, personally, am looking so forward to BHO taking us to 20 trillion in debt.  
I just wonder if things will collapse first.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Yes Uncleji - boring as hell and I started to feel asleep as well, finally
> turned it off but had agree to with the experts - Mitt seemed to do well
> and Obama looked annoyed :-)
> 
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > One word: boring. I fell asleep about 40 minutes into it and I suppose
> > everyone but political wonks did too. Romney looked like a Mormon
> > church lady. just put a granny dress and a wig on him and he would be
> > mistaken for one. And he's about as dated as one too. So 19th century
> > and such a putz. Haven't we had enough putz Presidents?
> >
> > Of course they can "tawk 'til da cows come home" about what they're
> > "gonna due" but by now we don't fall for that gag anymore.
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[Share Long]

dear Marek, I vote for Wednesday as the special day rather than Thursday.  
Because in the FFL jyotish chart the ruler of Wednesday Mercury, is exalted.  
Whereas the ruler of thursday, Jupiter is conjunct Rahu, opposite ketu and 
Mars.  I don't think that's very auspicious but welcome John and Ravi further 
enlightening us on this.

My second vote would be for Friday because ruler Venus is in ninth house, a 
dharmic house.




 From: marekreavis 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend
 

  
http://vimeo.com/39497405


 

[FairfieldLife] Best TM Rumor

[mjackson74]

I was thinking today of what a rumor mill the Movement has always been, so I am 
asking anyone who cares to, to contribute their best TM rumor (the one about 
mantras coming from the Buddhists doesn't count)

My best rumor came from the Sidhi Prep courses days. I was working for credit 
to complete the Sidhi Preps, the Governor Team in North Carolina felt they 
needed an initiator to be the liaison between them and us staffers, the 
liaison, Claire, was an abundant mine of rumors but the greatest one was: 
"Never meditate if your hair is wet. The stress loves upward out of the body 
through the crown chakra and if your hair is wet, the stress will slide down 
your wet hair and go back into the bottom of your spine."

She was dead serious.

[FairfieldLife] To Barry

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

It was a pleasure to read about some ordinary and kind events in Holland today 
rather than the usual bickering that goes on here about the imaginary realm of 
metaphysics or who is right about some particular event.

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Robin

[anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> [to Robin, who Share insists has "psychologically raped" her:]
> > Wishing you all the best always,
> > Share
> 
> 
> [Share quoting Robin] 
> > Robin wrote:
> > I just loved your spontaneous delight in that video--and 
> > it was an occasion where your experience was not mediated by
> > your beliefs.
> 
> [Above I've quoted the first part of Robin's sentence, which
> Share omitted, for obvious reasons.--JS]
> 
> > My reply:
> > This is the kind of statement that feels like a violation
> > to me.� You don't say that it seemed to you or anything like 
> > that.� Just an assertion of the condition of my inner self.
> > AND not about my beliefs.� I don't mind when my beliefs are
> > being challenged directly.
> 
> Since Share's accusation against Robin of "psychological
> rape" is being discussed here, I thought we should all see
> exactly what it refers to.
> 
> Below I've quoted what initiated this conflict: the initial
> remarks of Robin; Share's "grumpy" reaction, plus her
> apology; then Robin's explanation of what he had actually
> meant.
> 
> > Dear Share,
> > Robin1: You must excuse my presumption here (because it is
> > very likely I am wrong) but I must tell you that in this post
> > I get to feel the most Share that is there severed (perhaps
> > not consciously:)) from her philosophy. It just *seemed* to
> > me that all you wrote here came out of your experience
> > unmediated by any final beliefs about what is real. Like a 
> > beautiful accident of Share making herself available beyond
> > what would be possible were she solidly, as she almost always
> > is, behind her spiritual orientation to people and reality
> > (which, in the weaponry and ordnance deployed by some of us
> > more irascible FFL posters, is sometimes--silently, mind you--
> > denigrated as being overly positive--and therefore impotent:)).
> > 
> > Share1: hi Robin, yes I will excuse your presumption if you
> > excuse my not going down this particular rabbit hole again.
> > You know, the one about my being so positive yada yada. As
> > for my being impotent, it's not been my intention to be, uh, 
> > potent. So no problemo. Sigh, btw, I notice I'm feeling grumpy
> > this morning. Blaming it on the sugar I ate yesterday. Somehow
> > I've become very sensitive to sugar. Anyway, Robin, apologies
> > for taking it out on you.
> > 
> > Robin2: All that I was trying to communicate--and I said I 
> > was "very likely...wrong"--was the sense I had in reading
> > your post to me that *I was only getting the human being
> > Share Long*--and no belief system. This was my honest and 
> > undeniable experience. I had to be true to that experience,
> > and I thought it noteworthy; I took the chance on making this
> > experience known to the person who had produced that
> > experience inside of me. My approach here was the only one
> > that seemed available to me--with all the qualifiers which I 
> > thought would obviate the need to retaliate. :-)
> > 
> > I found in the assumption that I was correct: i.e. I was
> > only getting the person Share here--that somehow you came
> > across more powerfully and beautifully this way--But, again,
> > this is only an impression I have: Perhaps in your post you
> > were aware of asserting your philosophy all the same. You
> > must understand me here, Share, so that you do not construe
> > my post as some kind of hint to you: viz. Hey, Share: how
> > about laying off the positive philosophy and just talking
> > to me as the real person you are! It was not this at all;
> > it was my confessing to you how your post influenced me and
> > what I assumed was the cause of that influence. Nothing more
> > than this, Share--no matter how it seemed. And I even take 
> > responsibility for you being slightly offended by what for
> > you--if I am interpreting you truthfully--was my attempt to
> > be didactic. I just had a different experience of you and I
> > tried to tell you what that experience was. I will suspend
> > my attempt to make that experience intelligible to me, and
> > just say: great post, Share. :-)
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319232
> 
> Again: This is what Share has been characterizing as
> "psychological rape" on Robin's part.
> 
> Share's response to "Robin2" above:
> 
> "Robin, it sounds like you're saying that you sensed you were
> getting the real me and not my beliefs.  But OTOH you were
> very likely wrong.  Given this assessment of me by you, I'd
> prefer to suspend communication with you. Apologies if I've 
> misunderstood and in that case, I hope we can work things out."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319335
> 
> Note that Share's objection was to Robin saying he was
> "very likely wrong" about having gotten the real Share
> and not her beliefs. This qualification from Robin--made
> because he did not want to

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]

[anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jedi_spock"  wrote:
> ---  "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > 
> 
> > I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
> > of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
> > vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
> > been. People, if they are to 'pursue' reality need a  
> > consistent picture of it even if the picture is false. The 
> > picture is never truth, it is just a signpost that points 
> > you in, hopefully, a useful direction, and once it has  
> > served its purpose, the picture is discarded. TM is a  
> > pointer. It shows one on the basis of experience that  
> > there is more to experience than what one thinks.
> > 
> > In general the complexity of Robin's speech, I think,  
> > obscures understanding for most people, and does not  
> > represent a useful way to teach most people about reality. 
> > So, what is your understanding of the sentence of Robin's 
> > I quoted? Because you said 'I suspect this is a manner of 
> > speaking' in referring to the quote, I would suppose it is 
> > not entirely clear in your mind either.
> 
> Again, it's this kind of vacillating and contradictions that 
> he expresses over and over again that worries me.  At times 
> he seems to say simultaneously that he was in Unity and not 
> in Unity at the same time.

Well the duality is still there even in unity, one can have duality in unity if 
one wants it - it is not really a thing one can describe. But I get your point. 
I do not think Robin is making use of paradox as a teaching tool to get us to 
see beyond the paradox. That is, his thinking (as I am seeing it by surmise), 
does not see through the paradox, but vacillates, as you say, between the two 
poles of the paradox which is thus not resolved. As a result, illumination from 
listening to Robin does not occur, only confusion results that *seems* to have 
an aura of illumination about it because of his skill in weaving the tangled 
mess together.

[FairfieldLife] Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[marekreavis]

 http://vimeo.com/39497405

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma

[Share Long]

good morning, LaughingG108, thanks for asking.  On Tuesday morning as soon as I 
read the email from my friend saying that John was in town from Oct. 3-6 I felt 
a deep peacefulness inside.  I wrote replies to Ravi and Emily and noticed how 
loving I felt.  But there was no effort involved.  It was simply flowing 
through me, if that makes any sense.  In fact, I felt love towards everyone on 
FFL and the thought was something like this, using made up names:  oh, that's 
just Ichobod being Ichobod; that's just Clementine being Clementine.  And I 
felt a deep but light acceptance of each person as they are.  Haven't felt such 
since the first conflict with Robin began.


That wore off some as the day unfolded and later wrote my reply to Robin.  I'm 
guessing I have a heavier karmic debt with him.  


Last night at the meeting, I also felt deeply at peace.  Stuff came up of 
course.  But how I was now last night compared to how I was when John was here 
in the spring further convinces me of his gift for helping people balance.  I'm 
avoiding using the word healing because John does.


One of the interesting things he said last night is that both white magic and 
black magic lead to black magic.  Don't know why I mention this now but it came 
to mind so here it is.
Share

PS  John's work with people is very body based in that he instructs people to 
focus on sensations in the body.  And he uses his own breathing technique which 
facilitates deep release.  He uses EFT too which I've been involved with for 
almost 5 years.




 From: laughinggull108 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy 
duty karma
 

  
If you care to, Share, would you share some details of your inner experiences 
with John's work. What is it that you feel? Thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear FFL,  for anyone who's dealing with major illness and or heavy duty 
> karmic debts to repay, then John Newton is a man who can help restore balance 
> and alignment with the Divine.  I found out Tuesday from a friend that he's 
> back in town.  Perfect timing.  
> 
> 
> John trained with Howard Wills, downloader of some amazing  forgiveness 
> prayers and himself trained in the Kahuna tradition.  I understand that 
> Howard who 
> lives in Hawaii with his family is currently working in LA.  With a friend of 
> a friend 
> who says that saying Howard's ancestral forgiveness prayers cured him of Hep 
> C.  
> 
> 
> John was here twice last spring right after the time I joined FFL.  He not 
> only helped me but also my Dad, Mom and sister with their health issues.  My 
> Dad's situation was especially scary as he contracted a killer bacteria from 
> river water.  I give John credit for the fact that my Dad is still alive and 
> still has his right leg.  
> 
> John says he's just a conduit and that we all can do this work.  I'm planning 
> to take the practitioner workshop on Saturday.  BTW John can work with people 
> on the phone and I've even felt his balancing energy in his emails.  He's 
> also a TM sidha since 1993.  Happily married and father to a teen son and 
> young daughter.  Worked for many years in LA in "the industry."
> 
> 
> I plan on working with John as much as I can over the next three days.  
> Hopefully balancing will extend to anyone on FFL who welcomes it.  This is 
> powerful work. 
> love,
> 
> Share
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: for anyone dealing with major illness and or heavy duty karma

[laughinggull108]

If you care to, Share, would you share some details of your inner experiences 
with John's work. What is it that you feel? Thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear FFL,  for anyone who's dealing with major illness and or heavy duty 
> karmic debts to repay, then John Newton is a man who can help restore balance 
> and alignment with the Divine.  I found out Tuesday from a friend that he's 
> back in town.  Perfect timing.  
> 
> 
> John trained with Howard Wills, downloader of some amazing  forgiveness 
> prayers and himself trained in the Kahuna tradition.  I understand that 
> Howard who 
> lives in Hawaii with his family is currently working in LA.  With a friend of 
> a friend 
> who says that saying Howard's ancestral forgiveness prayers cured him of Hep 
> C.  
> 
> 
> John was here twice last spring right after the time I joined FFL.  He not 
> only helped me but also my Dad, Mom and sister with their health issues.  My 
> Dad's situation was especially scary as he contracted a killer bacteria from 
> river water.  I give John credit for the fact that my Dad is still alive and 
> still has his right leg.  
> 
> John says he's just a conduit and that we all can do this work.  I'm planning 
> to take the practitioner workshop on Saturday.  BTW John can work with people 
> on the phone and I've even felt his balancing energy in his emails.  He's 
> also a TM sidha since 1993.  Happily married and father to a teen son and 
> young daughter.  Worked for many years in LA in "the industry."
> 
> 
> I plan on working with John as much as I can over the next three days.  
> Hopefully balancing will extend to anyone on FFL who welcomes it.  This is 
> powerful work. 
> love,
> 
> Share
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Big Babboo

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
>
> 
>  
> [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76220_1015124919\
> 0881743_1881480442_n.jpg]
> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76220_10151249190\
> 881743_1881480442_n.jpg
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>

All it needs now is a hub motor and a battery pack.

[FairfieldLife] Thursday Contribution: A Scene from The Joy Luck Club

[laughinggull108]

One of the best movies ever made. About four Chinese mothers who lived through 
the Chinese revolution, and the trials and tribulations of raising and 
understanding their Americanized daughters. Each mother's story and the 
relationship/transition to that of her daughter's could be it's own movie, and 
is a remarkable artistic achievement.  Can also be applied to many other of 
life's situations. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/gjpgeCKL2hg

[FairfieldLife] Barry's Big Babboo

[turquoiseb]

Put your dirty mind away...this is Thinking Thursday, after all, and I
would not abuse Marek's noble idea by posting about that other thing
you're imagining. :-)

This is a post about lifestyle, and about a lifestyle choice I and my
extended family have just made. Young Maya is going to start school
soon, and we've been wondering how exactly we're going to get her there.
I still have my car, but honestly we don't really want to use it all
that much, having now become Dutch enough that we prefer bicycles.
Still, the school is some kilometers away, and Winter is coming, and
with it rainstorms and snowstorms that none of us really relish riding
through with a small girl strapped into the child seat of a standard
bicycle.

Voila. Enter the Big Babboe ("oe" is pronounced "ooo" in Dutch). We
found a used one in very good condition for sale, went to see it, and
wound up buying it for less than half of what it originally sold for.
It's a three-wheeler, which will make it better during those
aforementioned snowstorms, and has a rain cover we can put over its
passenger compartment to keep Maya dry if it's raining. Inside the
plywood compartment are a couple of fold-down seats (with kid-sized seat
belts), so she can actually bring a friend or two along with her on
rides if she wants.

Besides, we can use it while shopping, folding up the seats and using it
to carry larger amounts of foodstuffs. Just the thing if we want to buy
and bring home, say, an entire side of beef. :-) Fun. We feel very Dutch
now.

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]

[jedi_spock]

---  "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> 
> 

> I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture 
> of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony 
> vacillating between having been in unity or not having  
> been. People, if they are to 'pursue' reality need a  
> consistent picture of it even if the picture is false. The 
> picture is never truth, it is just a signpost that points 
> you in, hopefully, a useful direction, and once it has  
> served its purpose, the picture is discarded. TM is a  
> pointer. It shows one on the basis of experience that  
> there is more to experience than what one thinks.
> 
> In general the complexity of Robin's speech, I think,  
> obscures understanding for most people, and does not  
> represent a useful way to teach most people about reality. 
> So, what is your understanding of the sentence of Robin's 
> I quoted? Because you said 'I suspect this is a manner of 
> speaking' in referring to the quote, I would suppose it is 
> not entirely clear in your mind either.
>

Again, it's this kind of vacillating and contradictions that 
he expresses over and over again that worries me.  At times 
he seems to say simultaneously that he was in Unity and not 
in Unity at the same time.

[FairfieldLife] When Instinct, Habit, and Samskaras Lead Us Astray

[turquoiseb]

I just had to fish a cat out of a canal.

What, you might ask, is a cat doing IN a canal? Cats are not exactly
water-friendly, after all. Well, the answer to this question is the
instinct, or habit, or samskaras that the cat in question -- now a wet,
soggy cat -- simply couldn't overcome.

This cat has actually inspired other thoughts about the nature of
instinct, habit, and samskaras for me before. He lives on a houseboat on
the Herengracht near my house, and I walk the dogs past his floating
domicile often. Whenever I do, my dogs go a little crazy, start tugging
at their leashes, and attempt to catch him. Lord knows what they'd do if
they ever succeeded in catching him; their previous attempts to do so
with cats in the past have never really worked out well for them. But
the lessons of history don't ever seem to overshadow the pull of
instinct and habit and samskara. Their minds seem to be programmed with
the following code:

 IF cat
 THEN chase

So how did the cat end up in the canal? Similar samskaric coding. I was
sitting on a bench near his houseboat and the cat wandered over to check
me out. This coincided with three large swans swimming up to where I was
sitting, hoping for a handout. The cat -- moments before calm and
purring -- went into Full Monty instinct/habit/samskara mode. I could
almost feel the program running in his little cat mind:

 IF bird
 THEN chase

It didn't *matter* to this cat that these particular birds were five to
six times his size. It didn't *matter* to him that the issue of what
would happen if he actually caught one of these swans was far from
clear. It didn't even *matter* to him that the birds in question were
sitting on some of that icky WET stuff that he normally wouldn't have
anything to do with. All that his little cat brain perceived was the
pull of instinct, habit, and samskara. He leapt.

He missed the swan he was aiming at by several feet, and found himself
having to (embarrassingly) dog paddle around in that icky WET stuff. The
swans kinda laughed at him and sailed off, leaving him struggling in the
WET stuff, trying to figure out how to get out. This was not easy,
because the level of the water was low enough that he couldn't reach the
shore, even after he'd paddled over to it. So I reached down and lifted
him out.

The whole scene reminded me how we often get overshadowed by the
promptings of instinct, habit, and samskaras ourselves. Following their
urges may *seem* like a good idea at the time, but that's only because
our ability to discriminate has been overshadowed by the urge
to...uh...not discriminate, and just DO IT, whatever "IT" may be at the
time.

Today may be an interesting day for many on this forum. The rational
parts of our minds heard Marek's suggestion and thought, "No problem. I
can handle that." But then the samskaric counterpart of the cat to my
dogs or the swan to this cat comes into view, and the pull of the
samskaras kicks in. What will happen? Only time will tell...

[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Robin

[Jason]

>
> ---  "maskedzebra"  wrote:
> >
> > ROBIN2: A lot more is being said here in this segment of 
> > my letter than you choose to respond to, Share: that is 
> > a fault in you. The equivalence principle: that is what 
> > you should have addressed. How can I respect your 
> > honesty and good faith, Share, if you choose to respond 
> > so selectively to what is being said to you?
> >
> >
---  "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>
>  
> M: This is the verbal overwhelm technique.  A dump truck  
> of cement is unloaded on the person, and then when you get 
> so bogged down you can't even find your cell phone to dial 
> 911, you are accused of not addressing EVERYTHING that was 
> dumped on you.
> 
> I drowned in the same La Brae pit Share. 
> 
> Robin, I am usually the most anti Strunk and White  
> Elements of Style advocate because I believe its worship  
> leads to boring writing.  But in your case, you really  
> need to pick up a copy. You are asking too much of your  
> readers.
> 
> 
You are right on the point.  It's this kind of "dumping" 
that worries me.  He needs 600 words to convey a single 
point.  His insistence that we read every single word of it 
is like force feeding 2 litres of vinegar down someone's 
throat.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate 2012

[Mike Dixon]

I almost felt sorry for Obama. Romney looked, acted and talked  presidential. 
Had command of the facts and figures.Obama looked like a little boy getting a 
scolding for playing hookie the past four years. Can't wait for the Biden/Ryan 
debate! Morning Joe aught to be a real scream in the morning.

 


 From: raunchydog 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Debate 2012
  

   
 


--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> One word: boring.  I fell asleep about 40 minutes into it and I suppose 
> everyone but political wonks did too.  Romney looked like a Mormon 
> church lady.  just put a granny dress and a wig on him and he would be 
> mistaken for one.  And he's about as dated as one too.  So 19th century 
> and such a putz.  Haven't we had enough putz Presidents?
> 
> Of course they can "tawk 'til da cows come home" about what they're 
> "gonna due" but by now we don't fall for that gag anymore.
>

Whoever prepped Obama sure didn't do him any favors. Mitt lied his ass off, and 
Obama let him get away with it. Mitt kept saying Obamacare would take $716 
Billion from Medicare and Obama failed to rebut this well documented lie. 
Obama's Iowa ads hit Mitt hard on his 47% remark. Obama didn't make a peep 
about it. Mitt implied our do nothing Congress was Obama's fault. Was Obama so 
asleep during his own presidency that he couldn't remember to say that the 
Republicans turned down every compromise he put forward? Obama's performance 
was disappointing. Romney will probably get a boost in the polls. Obama has 
some catching up to do. 

   
  

[FairfieldLife] Autopilot OFF

[turquoiseb]

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Thinking  about Marek's fine challenge this Thursday morning, I find
myself  pondering the concept of "autopilot." In aircraft, that's that
thing  that is supposed to keep the plane flying straight and true while
the  pilots are off watching porn and casting one or more of the flight 
attendants in their own inner movie. When it works, cool; when it 
doesn't, headlines.

I once knew a commercial airline  pilot who was also a Buddhist. He
lived in the same apartment complex I  did in Marina del Rey, CA, near
the L.A. airport. Relaxing in one of the  complex's hot tubs one night,
we got to talking and he told me that --  as a Buddhist and someone who
tried to approach life from a mindful  point of view -- he had somewhat
of an issue with autopilot. He almost  never used it. His reasons were
clear, and completely pragmatic, not Woo  Woo at all: "The autopilot
makes too many assumptions about things,  assumptions that may not be
true."

This got me thinking, at the  time, about spiritual practice, and how so
much of it is spent on  autopilot. I had, after all, just walked away
from the TM organization,  in which I had spent many years "on courses,"
or "on the program," and  thus "on autopilot." Now I was on my own,
piloting my own inner  aircraft, having to look out for mountains
suddenly looming up out of  the fog in front of me. No more reassuring
automated voices from  teachers or scriptures saying, "Just keep doing
what you're doing.  Everything will be OK. Take it easy, take it as it
comes."

If you  think about it, much of traditional spiritual practice is
structured in  "being on autopilot." TM residence courses were
structured so that you  didn't have a single free moment to yourself;
everything was preplanned  and scheduled such that you knew exactly what
you should be doing at  every minute of the day. The rule was "follow
the rules," and everything  will be OK. Except when it wasn't. Like when
someone on a course went  more than a little crazy and someone had to
handle it by calling doctors  or the police or someone who *wasn't* on
autopilot to take care of it.  Because none of the people with their
spiritual autopilots turned ON  *could* handle it.

Heck, even life outside of "courses" was like  that to some extent. And
one of the reasons, of course, was that a life  lived on autopilot was
actually the *goal* of the practice. It was  considered low-vibe to
think that *you* had any responsibility for your  own life and its
direction; the Laws Of Nature did all that for you, and  so what you
should aspire to is becoming more and more "in tune" with  them, and
just allowing them to do their oh-so-wise-and-benevolent  thing.
Autopilot.

Many, many years later, I've come to *like* not  living on autopilot. I
*like* having to deal with each new day as if  it's actually new, and as
if it may present challenges that no  electronics engineer could ever
have foreseen well enough to program an  optimal solution to and thus
code them into the machine intelligence of  an autopilot. Like the real,
live pilot I met so many years ago,  switching my personal autopilot OFF
has been as personally liberating  for me as him switching the one in
his aircraft OFF was for him.

But  every so often posts like Marek's yesterday bring up the fact that,
like everyone else, I get into ruts of my own design, and start coasting
on autopilot again. I shouldn't be surprised. That is really the 
*nature* of mindful living; you never really "get it down" or "master" 
it; you just keep trying and, when you realize that there are areas of 
your life that are less than fully mindful, you try again.

So I  *like* this idea of turning OFF the FFL Autopilot one day a week,
and  instead of writing about the things we normally write about, trying
something different, something new. Good luck to everyone today trying 
to find something new of their own to write about.

[FairfieldLife] Autopilot OFF

[turquoiseb]

[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zQgbnGEdaCE/S9DRhtc6lgI/A0w/DH4bCHUuI\
nU/s1600/Airplane_autopilot_small.jpg]
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Thinking about Marek's fine challenge this Thursday morning, I find
myself pondering the concept of "autopilot." In aircraft, that's that
thing that is supposed to keep the plane flying straight and true while
the pilots are off watching porn and casting one or more of the flight
attendants in their own inner movie. When it works, cool; when it
doesn't, headlines. **

I once knew a commercial airline pilot who was also a Buddhist. He lived
in the same apartment complex I did in Marina del Rey, CA, near the L.A.
airport. Relaxing in one of the complex's hot tubs one night, we got to
talking and he told me that -- as a Buddhist and someone who tried to
approach life from a mindful point of view -- he had somewhat of an
issue with autopilot. He almost never used it. His reasons were clear,
and completely pragmatic, not Woo Woo at all: "The autopilot makes too
many assumptions about things, assumptions that may not be true."

This got me thinking, at the time, about spiritual practice, and how so
much of it is spent on autopilot. I had, after all, just walked away
from the TM organization, in which I had spent many years "on courses,"
or "on the program," and thus "on autopilot." Now I was on my own,
piloting my own inner aircraft, having to look out for mountains
suddenly looming up out of the fog in front of me. No more reassuring
automated voices from teachers or scriptures saying, "Just keep doing
what you're doing. Everything will be OK. Take it easy, take it as it
comes."

If you think about it, much of traditional spiritual practice is
structured in "being on autopilot." TM residence courses were structured
so that you didn't have a single free moment to yourself; everything was
preplanned and scheduled such that you knew exactly what you should be
doing at every minute of the day. The rule was "follow the rules," and
everything will be OK. Except when it wasn't. Like when someone on a
course went more than a little crazy and someone had to handle it by
calling doctors or the police or someone who *wasn't* on autopilot to
take care of it. Because none of the people with their spiritual
autopilots turned ON *could* handle it.

Heck, even life outside of "courses" was like that to some extent. And
one of the reasons, of course, was that a life lived on autopilot was
actually the *goal* of the practice. It was considered low-vibe to think
that *you* had any responsibility for your own life and its direction;
the Laws Of Nature did all that for you, and so what you should aspire
to is becoming more and more "in tune" with them, and just allowing them
to do their oh-so-wise-and-benevolent thing. Autopilot.

Many, many years later, I've come to *like* not living on autopilot. I
*like* having to deal with each new day as if it's actually new, and as
if it may present challenges that no electronics engineer could ever
have foreseen well enough to program an optimal solution to and thus
code them into the machine intelligence of an autopilot. Like the real,
live pilot I met so many years ago, switching my personal autopilot OFF
has been as personally liberating for me as him switching the one in his
aircraft OFF was for him.

But every so often posts like Marek's yesterday bring up the fact that,
like everyone else, I get into ruts of my own design, and start coasting
on autopilot again. I shouldn't be surprised. That is really the
*nature* of mindful living; you never really "get it down" or "master"
it; you just keep trying and, when you realize that there are areas of
your life that are less than fully mindful, you try again.

So I *like* this idea of turning OFF the FFL Autopilot one day a week,
and instead of writing about the things we normally write about, trying
something different, something new. Good luck to everyone today trying
to find something new of their own to write about.

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_incidents_involving_BAe_ATP_aircraft
 

[FairfieldLife] Discovering Superbeing

[John]

Burt Harding explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFRs2Zn4UA8&feature=relmfu