date:20140115

Just for fun, here is a shortened version of the Narcissistic
Personality Inventory test used in this study that you can take online.
My score was as follows, although some here are so narcissistic that
they'll claim I am just trying to fuck with them.  :-)

Your Total: 3
Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.
- See more at:
http://psychcentral.com/cgi-bin/narcissisticquiz.cgi#sthash.NztUw2np.dpu\
fYour Total: 3

Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.

- See more and take the test yourself at:
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm



An even shorter version of the test.  :-)

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality 
disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following  symptoms:

* Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
* Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
* Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can
only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or
high-status people (or institutions)
* Requires excessive admiration
* Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable
expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance
with his or her expectations
* Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
* Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others
* Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of
him or her
* Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB"  wrote:
>
> My Google search earlier for images related  to narcissism turned up
this fascinating chart, distilled from the study  at the link below it.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd love to  see where various gurus
and self-proclaimed spiritual teachers rank on  this scale when measured
using the Narcissistic Personality Index. I  would suspect that they'd
"outrank" the Reality TV stars, if for no  other reason than that
reality often has nothing to do with the way they  see the world.  :-)



http://www.csub.edu/~cgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissism, by occupational group

[ Sorry...fixing a double cut-and-paste in my earlier Send ]

Just for fun, here is a shortened version of  the Narcissistic
Personality Inventory test used in this study that you  can take online.
My score was as follows, although some here are so  narcissistic that
they'll claim I am just trying to fuck with them.   :-)

Your Total: 3

Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.

- See more and take the test yourself at:
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm



An even shorter version of the test.  :-)


Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality 
disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following  symptoms:

* Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
* Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
* Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
people (or institutions)
* Requires excessive admiration
* Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable
expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance
with his or her expectations
* Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
* Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others
* Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of
him or her
* Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote:
>
> My  Google search earlier for images related to narcissism turned up
this  fascinating chart, distilled from the study at the link below it.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd love to  see where various gurus
and self-proclaimed spiritual teachers rank on  this scale when measured
using the Narcissistic Personality Index. I  would suspect that they'd
"outrank" the Reality TV stars, if for no  other reason than that
reality often has nothing to do with the way they see the world.  :-)



http://www.csub.edu/~cgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf

[FairfieldLife] About Fukushima, and stuff...

2014-01-15 Thread cardemaister



 http://youtu.be/eMmaduq-5bw http://youtu.be/eMmaduq-5bw

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

On Wed, 1/15/14, anartax...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM

   'Apostasy is the
 formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of
 a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as
 an apostate.'
 As I never was the member of
 any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused of
 apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no
 one can ever be correctly accused for disafilliating or
 abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of course the TM org is
 lying about that claim).

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  wrote:

 Practicing
 Meditators in general take
 pride in being meditators who have made great sacrifices for
 their practice.

 “I recognize no political divisions,
 no political parties.  I recognize only meditators.” 

 Apostasy is a terrible thing.
 -Buck

 The
 danger comes when it  (apostasy) is made public, like that a
 Muslim
 has stopped believing in the principles of
 Islam.

 There
 is no compassion for Muslims who "betray their
 faith" by
 converting to other religions or who simply stop believing
 in one God
 and the Prophet Muhammad.

 And,
 in most cases, the family itself disowns a person who
 becomes an
 apostate.

 Conversion,
 or apostasy, is also a crime under Afghanistan's Islamic
 law and is
 punishable by death.

 In
 some instances, people may even take matters into their own
 hands and
 beat an apostate to death without the case going to
 court.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25732919

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers

Richard, that happened to me. They stole my ID and filed a tax return using the 
address of an empty building in town to which IRS mailed a letter. But because 
the mail carrier recognized my name and remembered where I lived, she brought 
the IRS letter to me. That's the only reason I discovered the situation in a 
timely manner. My CPA handled it and the following year IRS assigned me a 
special ID number to put on my tax return.  So...I'm grateful to live in a 
small town.

Another interesting aspect was that a fellow from the security division of one 
of my credit cards was able to tell me where the theft occurred by tracking the 
IP address. It was located in Riverside, IA, a town about 50 miles north of 
here with a big casino. Can you say criminal element?

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:44 PM, Richard Williams  
wrote:

What's worse than filing your taxes? Having an identity thief steal your return 
check.

"Identity theft is already a serious problem—the No. 1 complaint to the Federal 
Trade Commission, and tax-related identity theft is a growing part of this 
crime spree. In 2010, about 15 percent of all identity theft complaints to the 
FTC dealt with tax returns. In 2013, that jumped to 43 percent."

'Identity thieves gear up to steal your tax refund'
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101332463

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Richard J. Williams  
wrote:

On 1/14/2014 10:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Actually, the "IRS scandal" was pretty much a nothingburger blown up and 
>embroidered by the Obama-hating right wing. It got plenty of media exposure at 
>the time until it turned out to have very little substance (liberal groups 
>were also "targeted," just for one thing).
>
>
So, how many people got fired or were forced into retirement or quit, because 
of the IRS targeting scandal? Was it three or four? Obama said it was 
"outrageous". The Obama IRS targeting scandal mountain makes Christie's "bridge 
gate" look like a tiny ant hill.
>
>"First, only conservative groups were targeted in this scandal by
the IRS. Liberal or progressive groups were not targeted. The IRS
leaked conservative groups' confidential applications and donor
lists to liberal groups, never the other way around."
>
>'A Battering Ram Becomes a Stonewall'
>Wall Street Journal:
>http://tinyurl.com/nwkdd9zIs 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from
personal experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they
*aren't* lying. Except to themselves.

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you
prefer) is that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on
them by teachers they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods
(think MMY) have an incredible way of *just never thinking about*
anything that contradicts that dogma. They stuff any contradictions or
cognitive dissonance away back in a corner of their minds -- literally
"out of sight, out of mind."

So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously --
when they say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours
after leaving a "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made
offerings to Hindu gods. They push the dogma they've been told to repeat
-- and which they desperately *need* to be true to keep up their
allegiance to this org/cause they've been told is so important -- and
they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the back of their minds
and never acknowledge it.

I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama
trip, so I know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the
TM Teachers repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been
taught to repeat. I myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting and
cannot possibly have any negative characteristics" even *while* assigned
to the "Twitching Group" in Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of people like
myself experiencing non-stop jerks and spasms and symptoms that looked
for all the world like a viral outbreak of Tourette's Syndrome. It took
*years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides and seeing people wind
up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I became open
enough to recognize that I'd been lying to myself, and thus to others. I
*wanted* to believe the "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed to
blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that suggested it
wasn't true.

I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is not
a religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be
consciously aware of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is
that many are still so stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they
*have* to believe what they were told to believe, and *have* to repeat
it every time the question comes up.

Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset.
People who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM
puja and "hold it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the
Sanskrit version of it will look you straight in the eyes and call it a
"non-religious, traditional ceremony." *Some* part of them knows that
they're lying, but it's a part they can never admit into their conscious
awareness.

It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every
religion, spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even happens
in business. I remember a documentary about activists who were tried in
court for staging a demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I
think) the 60s. The screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts of the
actual trials, and thus the under-oath testimony of workers at the
plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that they didn't know what they were
building in that GE plant. "We just worked there," they all said,
claiming that they had no idea that they were working in the largest
manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world. Every morning
they walked in through a main entrance hall in which was prominently
displayed the nosecone of an Atlas missile, and yet they claimed that
they didn't know what they were building megadeath every day on their
assembly lines.

Go figure. That's the cult mindset for you -- protect the myths, protect
the memes, protect the image of the group that pays you or that you owe
allegiance to, hide your own everyday lies by hiding the truth even from
yourself, way down deep in parts of your mind that you never allow to
surface. That's what I think is going on when any TM Teacher these days
claims that the TMO is not a religious organization. They're not
necessarily lying to you; they're lying to themselves.

> 
> On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
>
>  Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
>
>'Apostasy is the
>  formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of
>  a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as
>  an apostate.'
>  As I never was the member of
>  any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused of
>  apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

As I'm pretty sure both Xeno and Barry know, apostasy is not limited to 
defection from a religion. One can become an apostate from any previous loyalty.
 

 > 'Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation 
 > of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as an 
 > apostate.' 
> 
> As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused 
> of apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no one can ever be 
> correctly accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of 
> course the TM org is lying about that claim). 

 It's an NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the POV held by 
your self is "true," and that any POV that contradicts it is is "untrue," then 
you get to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with declaring 
someone an apostate from an organization that you declare is not a religion. :-)

It's a lot like having an argument in which there is only one participant -- 
the person trying to start the argument -- and then declaring one's self the 
"winner." :-)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the 
aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder is 
the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. 

 







:-)

RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

2014-01-15 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of jr_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:24 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas 
Pump - 01/14/2014

Hey Rick,

I watched this interview with great interest.  The topics were fascinating.  
Specifically, you guys mentioned that there a few people in Fairfield, IA who 
have reached cosmic consciousness.  It would be a great show if you can 
interview these guys to get a personal perspective of their experience.

Already have. start from the bottom of http://batgap.com/guests/ for some of 
them. But several other very interesting ones coming up in March and April.

Keep up the great work.  We enjoyed this interview enormously.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously


On 1/14/2014 9:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

Does anyone take anyone else seriously here?

>
You mean, serious enough to monitor all the messages to FFL 24 x 7?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissism, by occupational group

Of course, the accuracy of one's NPI self-test score depends on one having 
answered the questions honestly, as well as a certain amount of self-knowledge. 
Those who are in denial about their own personality characteristics might well 
achieve an abnormally low score.

 Note that the NPI self-test at Barry's link is not a diagnostic test for 
Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It simply measures the degree of one's 
narcissistic traits. We all have 'em to some extent; that's perfectly normal. 
Very high scores might indicate the presence of NPD, but such a diagnosis can 
only be made by a professional.

 Just for fun, here is a shortened version of the Narcissistic Personality 
Inventory test used in this study that you can take online. My score was as 
follows, although some here are so narcissistic that they'll claim I am just 
trying to fuck with them.  :-)  

 Your Total: 3

Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.

- See more and take the test yourself at: 
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm 
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm 

 An even shorter version of the test.  :-)

 Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be 
diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or 
more of the following  symptoms:
 Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and 
talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate 
achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, 
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is "special" and 
unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special 
or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a 
very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially 
favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is 
exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her 
own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the 
feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others 
are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or 
attitudes
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote:
>
> My Google search earlier for images related to narcissism turned up this 
> fascinating chart, distilled from the study at the link below it. I don't 
> know about anyone else, but I'd love to see where various gurus and 
> self-proclaimed spiritual teachers rank on this scale when measured using the 
> Narcissistic Personality Index. I would suspect that they'd "outrank" the 
> Reality TV stars, if for no other reason than that reality often has nothing 
> to do with the way they see the world.  :-)

http://www.csub.edu/~cgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf 
http://www.csub.edu/%7Ecgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers

On 1/14/2014 9:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> So you're not going to be using your credit card at Neumann-Marcus 
> anymore?
 >
We have recourse if we use our credit card at SAKS, but it's the debit 
card that's the problem at stores like Target. The only thing I use the 
debit card for is to get cash from the ATM at the drive-thru bank. Don't 
be using your debit card at the mall - that's my advice. The problem is 
the debit card - that's a problem to get that money back. Hopefully your 
bank would flag a purchase made with your debit card in Paris, France, 
when you live in Paris, Texas and just bought an ice cream at the DQ an 
hour before. Go figure.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

We should all take time to contemplate this assertion of Barry's. It's quite 
remarkable that a person without training in psychopathology would think he is 
qualified to make such a declaration, as if it were established 
fact--especially given his own egregiously aberrant behavior on FFL.
 

 One also wonders about his near-fanatical obsession with narcissism as a 
trait. Could an abnormal fascination with narcissism itself be a symptom of 
Narcissistic Personality Disorder? He's been harping on it, over and over, ever 
since he arrived at FFL back in 2005.
 

 Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the 
aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder is 
the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. 

 







:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

On 1/14/2014 9:35 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> TM is posed to make all things better - how can that include sacrifice?
 >
You just sacrifice your thoughts. Meditation is based on thinking and 
almost everyone thinks. All you have to do is let the thoughts naturally 
fall off and you are left all by your Self. When you sacrifice your 
habitual discursive thinking, you can relax and let your mind take a 
break, but remain alert. This passing back and forth between thinking 
and mental silence will help anyone maintain a mental equipoise - a 
middle way between activity and rest.

"In the 1970s, Transcendental Meditation ('TM') became a widespread 
cultural phenomenon. Now there’s a rising new wave of interest in TM, 
but for different reasons: because there’s so much scientific research 
verifying its effects..."

Read more:

'Can meditation save us?'
By Tom McKinley Ball
February 19, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/8yl3t5p

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously


On 1/14/2014 10:12 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I 
pointed out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here 
for ages. After having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he 
suffered a painful loss of face when I reminded him. You can always 
tell by the lameness of his retaliatory shots when he's really been 
brought down.*

>
Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" 
posting to show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've 
really been brought down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously 
anymore. You're finished on this group - exposed as a school yard bully 
and poser. Posting macros and replying to every Barry message is not a 
way to sustain a long conversation with anyone, but as a joke to 
indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're just obsessive and 
mean. That's what I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously. 
 

 Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I pointed 
out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for ages. After 
having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a painful loss of face 
when I reminded him. You can always tell by the lameness of his retaliatory 
shots when he's really been brought down. >
 Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting to 
show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been brought 
down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're finished on 
this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting macros and 
replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long conversation 
with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're 
just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Narcissism, by occupational group


On 1/15/2014 1:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

*/My Google search earlier for images related to narcissism/*

>
So, does looking up stuff on the internet make you any smarter than a 
fifth grader? LoL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-15 Thread punditster

Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum except 
Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously enough 
monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the massages and 
reply to most of them. Go figure.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously. 
 

 Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I pointed 
out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for ages. After 
having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a painful loss of face 
when I reminded him. You can always tell by the lameness of his retaliatory 
shots when he's really been brought down. >
 Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting to 
show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been brought 
down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're finished on 
this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting macros and 
replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long conversation 
with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're 
just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.
 

 I believe him.
 
 Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum except 
Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously enough 
monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the massages and 
reply to most of them. Go figure.
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously. 
 

 Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I pointed 
out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for ages. After 
having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a painful loss of face 
when I reminded him. You can always tell by the lameness of his retaliatory 
shots when he's really been brought down. >
 Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting to 
show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been brought 
down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're finished on 
this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting macros and 
replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long conversation 
with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're 
just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-15 Thread Richard Williams

Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum except
Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously enough
monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the massages
and reply to most of them. Go figure.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:11 AM,  wrote:

>
>
> Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum
> except Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously
> enough monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the
> massages and reply to most of them. Go figure.
>
>
>
>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> *As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be
> taken seriously. *
>
> *Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I
> pointed out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for
> ages. After having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a
> painful loss of face when I reminded him. You can always tell by the
> lameness of his retaliatory shots when he's really been brought down.*
>
> >
> Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting
> to show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been
> brought down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're
> finished on this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting
> macros and replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long
> conversation with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the
> big debate - you're just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Practicing Meditators in general take pride in being meditators who have made 
great sacrifices for their practice.
 

 

 

 

 
 
 “I recognize no political divisions, no political parties. I recognize only 
meditators.” 
 
 
 Apostasy is a terrible thing.
 

 -Buck
 
 
 The danger comes when it (apostasy) is made public, like that a Muslim has 
stopped believing in the principles of Islam.
 There is no compassion for Muslims who "betray their faith" by converting to 
other religions or who simply stop believing in one God and the Prophet 
Muhammad.
 And, in most cases, the family itself disowns a person who becomes an apostate.
 Conversion, or apostasy, is also a crime under Afghanistan's Islamic law and 
is punishable by death.
 In some instances, people may even take matters into their own hands and beat 
an apostate to death without the case going to court.
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25732919 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25732919

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously


On 1/15/2014 8:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*I believe him.*

>
This is a very fast response time, Judy. So, you ARE monitoring these 
messages. it looks like you take this discussion very seriously - it 
looks like you are the only one. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously. 
 

 Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum except 
Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously enough 
monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the massages and 
reply to most of them. Go figure.
 

 On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:11 AM, mailto:punditster@...> wrote:
   Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum except 
Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously enough 
monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the massages and 
reply to most of them. Go figure.
 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote:

 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously. 
 

 Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I pointed 
out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for ages. After 
having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a painful loss of face 
when I reminded him. You can always tell by the lameness of his retaliatory 
shots when he's really been brought down. >
 Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting to 
show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been brought 
down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're finished on 
this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting macros and 
replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long conversation 
with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're 
just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius wrote:
 >
> 'Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of 
> a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as an apostate.' 
> 
> As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused 
> of apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no one can ever be 
> correctly accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of 
> course the TM org is lying about that claim). 

 It's an NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the POV held by 
your self is "true," and that any POV that contradicts it is is "untrue," then 
you get to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with declaring 
someone an apostate from an organization that you declare is not a religion. :-)

It's a lot like having an argument in which there is only one participant -- 
the person trying to start the argument -- and then declaring one's self the 
"winner." :-)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the 
aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder is 
the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. 

Bawwy once again proves himself the winner of the "Inadvertent Irony Award". 
Congratulations once again. What does that make it now, about the tenth win for 
you, Bawwy"?

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.


Let's make fun of the Semite ethnic group today.

On 1/15/2014 8:24 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Practicing Meditators in general take pride in being meditators who 
have made great sacrifices for their practice.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 1/14/2014 9:01 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 Does anyone take anyone else seriously here? >
 You mean, serious enough to monitor all the messages to FFL 24 x 7?
 No, I didn't mean that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 1/14/2014 10:12 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
 Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I pointed 
out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for ages. After 
having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a painful loss of face 
when I reminded him. You can always tell by the lameness of his retaliatory 
shots when he's really been brought down. >
 Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting to 
show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been brought 
down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're finished on 
this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting macros and 
replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long conversation 
with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're 
just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.
 
 Maybe it's time to "sacrifice" your "thoughts" to meditation, Ricky. Now, 
close the eyes...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

 Here is a chance for Bawwy to engage in a conversation:
 Bawwy, so what personal character traits did you or do you still possess that 
would have allowed you, indeed propelled you, to become a TM teacher and to 
have stayed one for as long as you did? Extra point question: What character 
traits or personality attributes caused you to seek out a cult leader like Rama 
and to stay with him for as long as you did after abandoning TM?" Now, watch 
what happens, or not.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 >
> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

 The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from personal 
experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't* lying. 
Except to themselves. 

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you prefer) is 
that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers 
they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an 
incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that contradicts that 
dogma. They stuff any contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a 
corner of their minds -- literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously -- when they 
say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours after leaving a 
"celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made offerings to Hindu gods. 
They push the dogma they've been told to repeat -- and which they desperately 
*need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to this org/cause they've been 
told is so important -- and they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the 
back of their minds and never acknowledge it. 

I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama trip, so I 
know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the TM Teachers 
repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been taught to repeat. I 
myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting and cannot possibly have any 
negative characteristics" even *while* assigned to the "Twitching Group" in 
Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks 
and spasms and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral outbreak of 
Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides 
and seeing people wind up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I 
became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to myself, and thus to 
others. I *wanted* to believe the "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed 
to blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that suggested it 
wasn't true. 

I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is not a 
religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware 
of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so 
stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to believe what they were 
told to believe, and *have* to repeat it every time the question comes up. 

Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset. People 
who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM puja and "hold 
it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of it 
will look you straight in the eyes and call it a "non-religious, traditional 
ceremony." *Some* part of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part they 
can never admit into their conscious awareness. 

It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every religion, 
spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even happens in business. I 
remember a documentary about activists who were tried in court for staging a 
demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think) the 60s. The 
screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts of the actual trials, and thus 
the under-oath testimony of workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that 
they didn't know what they were building in that GE plant. "We just worked 
there," they all said, claiming that they had no idea that they were working in 
the largest manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world. Every 
morning they walked in through a main entrance hall in which was prominently 
displayed the nosecone of an Atlas missile, and yet they claimed that they 
didn't know what they were building megadeath every day on their assembly 
lines. 

Go figure. That's the cult mindset for you -- protect the myths, protect the 
memes, protect the image of the group that pays you or that you owe allegiance 
to, hide your own everyday lies by hiding the truth even from yourself, way 
down deep in parts of your mind that you never allow to surface. That's what I 
think is going on when any TM Teacher these days claims that the TMO is not a 
religious organization. They're not necessarily lying to you; they're lying to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum except 
Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously enough 
monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the massages and 
reply to most of them. Go figure.
 

 Says the guy who writes virtually "every single post".
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously. 
 

 Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I pointed 
out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for ages. After 
having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a painful loss of face 
when I reminded him. You can always tell by the lameness of his retaliatory 
shots when he's really been brought down. >
 Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting to 
show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been brought 
down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're finished on 
this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting macros and 
replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long conversation 
with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're 
just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissism, by occupational group



 See? This simply illustrates my earlier post. Bawwy always thinks of others in 
terms of himself. How they effect him, how they inconvenience him, how everyone 
else is different from him, and so on, and so on...I'm still laughing at what 
has become, for me, Bawwy's signature phrase, "Now me, on the other hand..."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 [ Sorry...fixing a double cut-and-paste in my earlier Send ]


Just for fun, here is a shortened version of the Narcissistic Personality 
Inventory test used in this study that you can take online. My score was as 
follows, although some here are so narcissistic that they'll claim I am just 
trying to fuck with them.  :-)  

 Your Total: 3

Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.

- See more and take the test yourself at: 
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm 
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm 



 An even shorter version of the test.  :-)


 

 Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be 
diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or 
more of the following  symptoms:
 Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and 
talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate 
achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, 
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is "special" and 
unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special 
or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a 
very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially 
favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is 
exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her 
own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the 
feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others 
are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or 
attitudes
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote:
>
> My Google search earlier for images related to narcissism turned up this 
> fascinating chart, distilled from the study at the link below it. I don't 
> know about anyone else, but I'd love to see where various gurus and 
> self-proclaimed spiritual teachers rank on this scale when measured using the 
> Narcissistic Personality Index. I would suspect that they'd "outrank" the 
> Reality TV stars, if for no other reason than that reality often has nothing 
> to do with the way they see the world.  :-)

 

http://www.csub.edu/~cgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf 
http://www.csub.edu/%7Ecgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Let's make fun of the Semite ethnic group today.
 

 OK, you go first.
 
 On 1/15/2014 8:24 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 
 Practicing Meditators in general take pride in being meditators who have made 
great sacrifices for their practice.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Thanks, Turqb.  Nice substantial writing even as I can't agree with you I do 
appreciate the thought.  Almost missed your post for all the personal 
ankel-biting macros that get posted here.

 -Buck

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 >
> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

 The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from personal 
experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't* lying. 
Except to themselves. 

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you prefer) is 
that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers 
they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an 
incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that contradicts that 
dogma. They stuff any contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a 
corner of their minds -- literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously -- when they 
say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours after leaving a 
"celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made offerings to Hindu gods. 
They push the dogma they've been told to repeat -- and which they desperately 
*need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to this org/cause they've been 
told is so important -- and they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the 
back of their minds and never acknowledge it. 

I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama trip, so I 
know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the TM Teachers 
repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been taught to repeat. I 
myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting and cannot possibly have any 
negative characteristics" even *while* assigned to the "Twitching Group" in 
Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks 
and spasms and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral outbreak of 
Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides 
and seeing people wind up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I 
became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to myself, and thus to 
others. I *wanted* to believe the "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed 
to blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that suggested it 
wasn't true. 

I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is not a 
religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware 
of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so 
stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to believe what they were 
told to believe, and *have* to repeat it every time the question comes up. 

Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset. People 
who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM puja and "hold 
it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of it 
will look you straight in the eyes and call it a "non-religious, traditional 
ceremony." *Some* part of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part they 
can never admit into their conscious awareness. 

It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every religion, 
spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even happens in business. I 
remember a documentary about activists who were tried in court for staging a 
demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think) the 60s. The 
screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts of the actual trials, and thus 
the under-oath testimony of workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that 
they didn't know what they were building in that GE plant. "We just worked 
there," they all said, claiming that they had no idea that they were working in 
the largest manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world. Every 
morning they walked in through a main entrance hall in which was prominently 
displayed the nosecone of an Atlas missile, and yet they claimed that they 
didn't know what they were building megadeath every day on their assembly 
lines. 

Go figure. That's the cult mindset for you -- protect the myths, protect the 
memes, protect the image of the group that pays you or that you owe allegiance 
to, hide your own everyday lies by hiding the truth even from yourself, way 
down deep in parts of your mind that you never allow to surface. That's what I 
think is going on when any TM Teacher these days claims that the TMO is not a 
religious organization. They're not necessarily lying to you; they're lying to 
themselves. 

 > 
> On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
> 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
> 
> 'A

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Yes, that 'Disaffiliation';   Friends, for any of us we certainly know an 
apostate when we see one. For instance, with The Science of Creative 
Intelligence of which TM is the practical application. Seeing as US 
jurisprudence judges SCI to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that 
people who would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said 
meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy of 
negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as apostates in 
apostasy. Q.E.D., TM Apostates.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 As I'm pretty sure both Xeno and Barry know, apostasy is not limited to 
defection from a religion. One can become an apostate from any previous loyalty.

 > 'Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation 
 > of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as an 
 > apostate.' 
> 
> As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused 
> of apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no one can ever be 
> correctly accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of 
> course the TM org is lying about that claim). 

 It's an NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the POV held by 
your self is "true," and that any POV that contradicts it is is "untrue," then 
you get to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with declaring 
someone an apostate from an organization that you declare is not a religion. :-)

It's a lot like having an argument in which there is only one participant -- 
the person trying to start the argument -- and then declaring one's self the 
"winner." :-)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the 
aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder is 
the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. 

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Don't be silly, Buck. There were only three, and they were posted well after 
Barry made his post.

 Barry does far worse than mere ankle-biting all the time. If he could be made 
to behave like a decent human being, the tenor of this forum would improve 
significantly.

 Thanks, Turqb.  Nice substantial writing even as I can't agree with you I do 
appreciate the thought.  Almost missed your post for all the personal 
ankel-biting macros that get posted here.

 -Buck

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 >
> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

 The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from personal 
experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't* lying. 
Except to themselves. 

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you prefer) is 
that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers 
they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an 
incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that contradicts that 
dogma. They stuff any contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a 
corner of their minds -- literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously -- when they 
say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours after leaving a 
"celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made offerings to Hindu gods. 
They push the dogma they've been told to repeat -- and which they desperately 
*need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to this org/cause they've been 
told is so important -- and they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the 
back of their minds and never acknowledge it. 

I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama trip, so I 
know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the TM Teachers 
repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been taught to repeat. I 
myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting and cannot possibly have any 
negative characteristics" even *while* assigned to the "Twitching Group" in 
Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks 
and spasms and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral outbreak of 
Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides 
and seeing people wind up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I 
became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to myself, and thus to 
others. I *wanted* to believe the "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed 
to blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that suggested it 
wasn't true. 

I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is not a 
religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware 
of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so 
stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to believe what they were 
told to believe, and *have* to repeat it every time the question comes up. 

Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset. People 
who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM puja and "hold 
it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of it 
will look you straight in the eyes and call it a "non-religious, traditional 
ceremony." *Some* part of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part they 
can never admit into their conscious awareness. 

It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every religion, 
spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even happens in business. I 
remember a documentary about activists who were tried in court for staging a 
demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think) the 60s. The 
screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts of the actual trials, and thus 
the under-oath testimony of workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that 
they didn't know what they were building in that GE plant. "We just worked 
there," they all said, claiming that they had no idea that they were working in 
the largest manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world. Every 
morning they walked in through a main entrance hall in which was prominently 
displayed the nosecone of an Atlas missile, and yet they claimed that they 
didn't know what they were building megadeath every day on their assembly 
lines. 

Go figure. That's the cult mindset for you -- protect the myths, protect the 
memes, protect the image of the group that pays you or that you owe allegiance 
to, hide your own everyday lies by hiding the truth even from yourself, way 
down deep in parts of your mind that you never allow to surface. That's what I 
think is going on when any TM Teacher these days claims that the TMO is not a 
religious organization. They're not necessarily lying to you; they're lyin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers

Richard, here's my debit card adventure, a card which I NEVER use. Except I had 
to in order to purchase gifts cards from the grocery store here. They wouldn't 
let me use my credit card! That didn't seem right to me but I went along with 
it because I was eager to finish my Christmas shopping! I think I'm a slave to 
convenience.





On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:43 AM, Richard J. Williams 
 wrote:
 
On 1/14/2014 9:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> So you're not going to be using your credit card at Neumann-Marcus 
> anymore?
>
We have recourse if we use our credit card at SAKS, but it's the debit 
card that's the problem at stores like Target. The only thing I use the 
debit card for is to get cash from the ATM at the drive-thru bank. Don't 
be using your debit card at the mall - that's my advice. The problem is 
the debit card - that's a problem to get that money back. Hopefully your 
bank would flag a purchase made with your debit card in Paris, France, 
when you live in Paris, Texas and just bought an ice cream at the DQ an 
hour before. Go figure.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-15 Thread punditster

> Says the guy who writes virtually "every single post".
 >
 Ann -  I was not being serious when I posted that nobody takes these messages 
seriously. So, it's settled then: Judy is the only informant on FFL that takes 
anyone seriously. Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Seriously, it looks like nobody takes anyone seriously on this forum except 
Judy. She seems to take this all VERY seriously. At least seriously enough 
monitor every single post while she's at work and to read all the massages and 
reply to most of them. Go figure.

 Says the guy who writes virtually "every single post".

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously. 

 Barry took with the utmost seriousness the fact that he has not, as I pointed 
out, been able to sustain a long conversation with anyone here for ages. After 
having claimed that I had "nothing to say," he suffered a painful loss of face 
when I reminded him. You can always tell by the lameness of his retaliatory 
shots when he's really been brought down. >
 Seriously. All Barry has to do is remind everyone of your "macro" posting to 
show the lameness of your retaliatory shots when you've really been brought 
down. Nobody takes you or your macros seriously anymore. You're finished on 
this group - exposed as a school yard bully and poser. Posting macros and 
replying to every Barry message is not a way to sustain a long conversation 
with anyone, but as a joke to indicate that you've lost the big debate - you're 
just obsessive and mean. That's what I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously


On 1/15/2014 8:27 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be 
taken seriously. *

>
When I said nothing I say is to be taken seriously, I wasn't being 
serious. So, just admit that you took whatI posted seriously. Now let's 
get to work!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissism, by occupational group


On 1/15/2014 8:42 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

Bawwy always thinks of others in terms of himself.

>
Maybe he thinks surfing the internet for occupational group studies will 
make him smarter than a fifth-grader.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

Richard, I do wish Funny Farm Loungers would operationally define their terms, 
as is done in Science. For example, what is meant by seriously? It seems like 
you operationally define it as:
1. replying quickly to posts
2. replying to a lot of posts
3. replying to posts throughout the day and night
4. replying with a macro, which btw makes me think of macaroni (-:

Do I have it right so far?

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:55 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

On 1/13/2014 12:24 PM, authfriend@... wrote:

BTW, when's the last time anyone saw Barry have as extended and wide-ranging a 
discussion with someone on FFL as I've been having with Bob Price?
>
>When is the last time anyone saw anyone have an extended and wide
ranging discussion with anyone on FFL? 
>
>Let's get serious - I mean, without using a "macro" fora response.
>
Other than Bob and Judy the last time there were conversations that were 
extended and wide ranging was when Robin was around. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Narcissism, by occupational group

This subject is amazingly fascinating for you Bawwy. Why is that? Do you have a 
deep-seated fear you have NDP? Are you terrified you have surrounded yourself 
with narcissists your whole life? Are you attempting to hone your "skills"? 
Have you realized that everyone who lives and breaths in one way or another 
considers themselves the center of the universe and therefore the term 
"narcissist" means nothing in the the relative sense of the word? What exactly 
is it, dear boy? You could write a book, "How I Discovered Narcissism Was All 
About Me".
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 My Google search earlier for images related to narcissism turned up this 
fascinating chart, distilled from the study at the link below it. I don't know 
about anyone else, but I'd love to see where various gurus and self-proclaimed 
spiritual teachers rank on this scale when measured using the Narcissistic 
Personality Index. I would suspect that they'd "outrank" the Reality TV stars, 
if for no other reason than that reality often has nothing to do with the way 
they see the world.  :-)

 

http://www.csub.edu/~cgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf 
http://www.csub.edu/~cgavin/GST153/CelebrityStudy.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Yes, I already asked him most of these questions, Ann, and I asked 
Curtis and Robin the same kinds of questions. The only response I got 
was from Curtis who said that he "grew up", but he admitted that he was 
selling "snake-oil" for all those years. So, I guess we can assume that 
they each had a turn of mind, so to speak. But, I still wonder what 
really happened. Most of the things I believe in are things that I 
learned back in grade school and I haven't changed my mind since then. 
It must be a very traumatic experience to make a 360 like that - from 
cultist to anti-cultist! Go figure.

. On 1/15/2014 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

Here is a chance for Bawwy to engage in a conversation:
Bawwy, so what personal character traits did you or do you still 
possess that would have allowed you, indeed propelled you, to become a 
TM teacher and to have stayed one for as long as you did? Extra point 
question: What character traits or personality attributes caused you 
to seek out a cult leader like Rama and to stay with him for as long 
as you did after abandoning TM?" Now, watch what happens, or not.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:

>
> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

*/The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from 
personal experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they 
*aren't* lying. Except to themselves.

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you 
prefer) is that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid 
on them by teachers they now revere almost as infallible and as 
near-gods (think MMY) have an incredible way of *just never thinking 
about* anything that contradicts that dogma. They stuff any 
contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a corner of their 
minds -- literally "out of sight, out of mind."

So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously -- 
when they say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours 
after leaving a "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made 
offerings to Hindu gods. They push the dogma they've been told to 
repeat -- and which they desperately *need* to be true to keep up 
their allegiance to this org/cause they've been told is so important 
-- and they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the back of 
their minds and never acknowledge it.

I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama 
trip, so I know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the 
TM Teachers repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been 
taught to repeat. I myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting 
and cannot possibly have any negative characteristics" even *while* 
assigned to the "Twitching Group" in Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of 
people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks and spasms and symptoms 
that looked for all the world like a viral outbreak of Tourette's 
Syndrome. It took *years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides and 
seeing people wind up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- 
before I became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to 
myself, and thus to others. I *wanted* to believe the "no negative 
side effects" meme, so I managed to blot out recognition and 
acknowledgement of anything that suggested it wasn't true.

I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is 
not a religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be 
consciously aware of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is 
that many are still so stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they 
*have* to believe what they were told to believe, and *have* to repeat 
it every time the question comes up.

Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset. 
People who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM 
puja and "hold it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the 
Sanskrit version of it will look you straight in the eyes and call it 
a "non-religious, traditional ceremony." *Some* part of them knows 
that they're lying, but it's a part they can never admit into their 
conscious awareness.

It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every 
religion, spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even 
happens in business. I remember a documentary about activists who were 
tried in court for staging a demonstration at a General Electric plant 
back in (I think) the 60s. The screenplay was largely drawn from 
transcripts of the actual trials, and thus the under-oath testimony of 
workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that they didn't know 
what they were building in that GE plant. "We just worked there," they 
all said, claiming that they had no idea that they were working in the 
largest manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world. Every 
morning they walked in through a main

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously


On 1/15/2014 8:48 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

On 1/14/2014 9:01 PM, awoelflebater@...  wrote:


Does anyone take anyone else seriously here?

>
You mean, serious enough to monitor all the messages to FFL 24 x 7?

No, I didn't mean that.

So, it has been established that nobody takes any of these messages 
seriously - except the informants that monitor the group 24 x 7, and 
that would be a serious thing to do. Is that what you meant?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.


On 1/15/2014 9:08 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Barry does far worse than mere ankle-biting all the time. If he could 
be made to behave like a decent human being, the tenor of this forum 
would improve significantly.

>
The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried to get 
rid of Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to get rid of the 
only serious writer left on the entire forum? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers

On 1/15/2014 9:24 AM, Share Long wrote:
> Richard, here's my debit card adventure, a card which I NEVER use. 
> Except I had to in order to purchase gifts cards from the grocery 
> store here. They wouldn't let me use my credit card! That didn't seem 
> right to me but I went along with it because I was eager to finish my 
> Christmas shopping! I think I'm a slave to convenience.
 >
Yes, we used to use our debit card at stores and at the gas station. 
After reading about the the online hackers at Target and Neiman-Marcus 
we won't be using our debit cards there any more! Now, we just use the 
credit card at SAKS and get cash out of the ATM at the bank for shopping 
at the Dollar General, which is only a few blocks away. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-15 Thread s3raphita

Re "make it count on more than one level.":
 

 I guess actors have an excuse for doing some serious workouts . . .
 You're casting the role of Achilles in Troy. You've got a choice between 
Charles Hawtrey . . . 
 

 . . .  or Brad Pitt. How long do you want to think about it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

I'm going to take this quite seriously: I never tried to get rid of anybody on 
this forum. You've said this before, and Barry's hinted at it as well, but it's 
a blatant lie. Nor, obviously, am I trying to get rid of Barry (read what I 
wrote, you dumbass lying troll).
 

 Some people leave because they can't take the heat. That's their problem, not 
mine.
 

 Vaj left because he lied about Ann to Barry in private email, Barry stupidly 
repeated the lie publicly, and Ann exposed the lie.
 

 Robin and I were friends. He left for his own reasons that had nothing to do 
with me.
 

 Curtis left because he had tried to lie about Robin, Ann, and me, and I 
exposed those lies.
 

 I don't know why Ruth and Sal left, but it wasn't because I tried to get rid 
of them.
 
 Barry does far worse than mere ankle-biting all the time. If he could be made 
to behave like a decent human being, the tenor of this forum would improve 
significantly. >
 The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried to get rid of 
Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to get rid of the only serious 
writer left on the entire forum? Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

An apostate of course is different from someone just being a critic. The 
critic, who as a satisfied and regular practitioner may offer some criticism as 
in a state of critique. Such critique is then also quite different in grade 
from those others being more negative and then again from states of pernicious 
negativity advocacy, like those people who are both quitters and haters in 
method. That becomes a pretty clear sign of someone who has fallen in to TM 
apostasy. 
 We should be mindful and clear about this as we filter our reading and 
interacting with our fellow community members here. That is justly good and 
sound subtle spirituality. Yes, like considering the source of posts I 
certainly sort my incoming mail accordingly. Om we should have, we could have 
better sorted the FFL membership here accordingly from way back with more 
aggressive moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy here. 
Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some right. Saha Nav,

 -Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental 
Meditation Programme   

 Yes, that 'Disaffiliation';   Friends, for any of us we certainly know an 
apostate when we see one. For instance, with The Science of Creative 
Intelligence of which TM is the practical application. Seeing as US 
jurisprudence judges SCI to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that 
people who would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said 
meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy of 
negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as apostates in 
apostasy. Q.E.D., TM Apostates.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 As I'm pretty sure both Xeno and Barry know, apostasy is not limited to 
defection from a religion. One can become an apostate from any previous loyalty.

 > 'Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation 
 > of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as an 
 > apostate.' 
> 
> As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused 
> of apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no one can ever be 
> correctly accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of 
> course the TM org is lying about that claim). 

 It's an NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the POV held by 
your self is "true," and that any POV that contradicts it is is "untrue," then 
you get to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with declaring 
someone an apostate from an organization that you declare is not a religion. :-)

It's a lot like having an argument in which there is only one participant -- 
the person trying to start the argument -- and then declaring one's self the 
"winner." :-)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the 
aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder is 
the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. 

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

yep, I have to agree with you

On Wed, 1/15/14, TurquoiseB  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 1:16 PM

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
 wrote:
 >
 > of course they are lying about it - that's their
 stock in trade

 The sadder reality, Michael, one
 that you may not be aware of from personal experience (or
 may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't*
 lying. Except to themselves. 

 One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset
 if you prefer) is that people who have bought into a
 shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers they now revere
 almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an
 incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that
 contradicts that dogma. They stuff any contradictions or
 cognitive dissonance away back in a corner of their minds --
 literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

 So technically many of these people are *not* lying --
 consciously -- when they say that TM is not a religion,
 often only a couple of hours after leaving a
 "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and
 made offerings to Hindu gods. They push the dogma
 they've been told to repeat -- and which they
 desperately *need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to
 this org/cause they've been told is so important -- and
 they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the back of
 their minds and never acknowledge it. 

 I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in
 the Rama trip, so I know it's not only possible, but
 probable for *most* of the TM Teachers repeating the
 "TM is not a religion" meme they've been
 taught to repeat. I myself repeated the "TM is 100%
 life-supporting and cannot possibly have any negative
 characteristics" even *while* assigned to the
 "Twitching Group" in Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens
 of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks and spasms
 and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral
 outbreak of Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* --
 after hearing of a number of suicides and seeing people wind
 up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I
 became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to
 myself, and thus to others. I *wanted* to believe the
 "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed to
 blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that
 suggested it wasn't true. 

 I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to
 the "TM is not a religion" meme are doing the same
 thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware of the reality
 and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so
 stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to
 believe what they were told to believe, and *have* to repeat
 it every time the question comes up. 

 Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult
 mindset. People who had to learn and memorize the English
 translation of the TM puja and "hold it lively in their
 minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of
 it will look you straight in the eyes and call it a
 "non-religious, traditional ceremony." *Some* part
 of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part
 they can never admit into their conscious awareness. 

 It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty
 much every religion, spiritual organization, and cult in the
 world. It even happens in business. I remember a documentary
 about activists who were tried in court for staging a
 demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think)
 the 60s. The screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts
 of the actual trials, and thus the under-oath testimony of
 workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that they
 didn't know what they were building in that GE plant.
 "We just worked there," they all said, claiming
 that they had no idea that they were working in the largest
 manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world.
 Every morning they walked in through a main entrance hall in
 which was prominently displayed the nosecone of an Atlas
 missile, and yet they claimed that they didn't know what
 they were building megadeath every day on their assembly
 lines. 

 Go figure. That's the cult mindset for you -- protect
 the myths, protect the memes, protect the image of the group
 that pays you or that you owe allegiance to, hide your own
 everyday lies by hiding the truth even from yourself, way
 down deep in parts of your mind that you never allow to
 surface. That's what I think is going on when any TM
 Teacher these days claims that the TMO is not a religious
 organization. They're not necessarily lying to you;
 they're lying to themselves. 

 > 
 > On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 > 
 >  Subject: [FairfieldLi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Well you know what Buck, you may be right, I never considered that the regular 
practice of the TM and TM Siddhi Programme increased and improved my creative 
intelligence to the point I was able to see the whole TMO and Marshy himself 
were full of it. All praise to the Unified Field! TMSP enabled me to see its a 
crock! 

On Wed, 1/15/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:30 PM

   An apostate of course is
 different from someone just being a critic. The critic, who
 as a
 satisfied and regular practitioner may offer some criticism
 as in
 a state of critique.  Such critique is then also quite
 different in
 grade from those others being more negative and then again
 from
 states of pernicious negativity advocacy, like those people
 who are
 both quitters and haters in method.  That becomes a pretty
 clear sign
 of someone who has fallen in to TM apostasy.   
 We should be mindful and
 clear about this as we filter our reading and interacting
 with our fellow community members
 here.  That is justly good and sound subtle spirituality.  
 Yes, like
 considering the source of posts I certainly sort my incoming
 mail
 accordingly.  Om we should have, we could have better sorted
 the FFL
 membership here accordingly from way back with more
 aggressive
 moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy
 here. 
 Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some
 right. 
 Saha Nav,

 -Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the
 Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation
 Programme   

 Yes, that
 'Disaffiliation';   Friends, for any of us we
 certainly know an apostate when we see one.
   For instance, with The Science of Creative Intelligence of
 which TM
 is the practical application.  Seeing as US jurisprudence
 judges SCI
 to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that
 people who
 would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice
 of said
 meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an
 advocacy
 of negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as
 apostates in apostasy.  Q.E.D., TM Apostates.

  ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote:

 As I'm pretty sure both Xeno
 and Barry know, apostasy is not limited to defection from a
 religion. One can become an apostate from any previous
 loyalty.
  > 'Apostasy is the formal
 disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of a
 religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as
 an apostate.'

 >  

 >  As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot
 ever be correctly accused of apostasy. As the TM org claims
 it is not a religion, so no one can ever be correctly
 accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as apostasy
 (unless of course the TM org is lying about that claim).

  It's an
 NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the
 POV held by your self is "true," and that any POV
 that contradicts it is is "untrue," then you get
 to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with
 declaring someone an apostate from an organization that you
 declare is not a religion. :-)

 It's a lot like having an argument in which there is
 only one participant -- the person trying to start the
 argument -- and then declaring one's self the
 "winner." :-)

 Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain
 almost all of the aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would
 suggest that this mental disorder is the true legacy of
 Maharishi's teachings. 

 :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 1/15/2014 9:08 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
 Barry does far worse than mere ankle-biting all the time. If he could be made 
to behave like a decent human being, the tenor of this forum would improve 
significantly. >
 The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried to get rid of 
Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to get rid of the only serious 
writer left on the entire forum? Go figure.
 
 You're right, nothing you say is serious.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Yes, I already asked him most of these questions, Ann, and I asked Curtis and 
Robin the same kinds of questions. The only response I got was from Curtis who 
said that he "grew up", but he admitted that he was selling "snake-oil" for all 
those years. So, I guess we can assume that they each had a turn of mind, so to 
speak. But, I still wonder what really happened. Most of the things I believe 
in are things that I learned back in grade school and I haven't changed my mind 
since then. It must be a very traumatic experience to make a 360 like that - 
from cultist to anti-cultist! Go figure.

 In all seriousness, I actually agree with you.

 . On 1/15/2014 8:46 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Here is a chance for Bawwy to engage in a conversation:
 Bawwy, so what personal character traits did you or do you still possess that 
would have allowed you, indeed propelled you, to become a TM teacher and to 
have stayed one for as long as you did? Extra point question: What character 
traits or personality attributes caused you to seek out a cult leader like Rama 
and to stay with him for as long as you did after abandoning TM?" Now, watch 
what happens, or not.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Michael Jackson wrote:
 >
 > of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

 The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from personal 
experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't* lying. 
Except to themselves. 

 One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you prefer) is 
that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers 
they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an 
incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that contradicts that 
dogma. They stuff any contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a 
corner of their minds -- literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

 So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously -- when 
they say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours after leaving 
a "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made offerings to Hindu gods. 
They push the dogma they've been told to repeat -- and which they desperately 
*need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to this org/cause they've been 
told is so important -- and they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the 
back of their minds and never acknowledge it. 

 I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama trip, so I 
know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the TM Teachers 
repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been taught to repeat. I 
myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting and cannot possibly have any 
negative characteristics" even *while* assigned to the "Twitching Group" in 
Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks 
and spasms and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral outbreak of 
Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides 
and seeing people wind up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I 
became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to myself, and thus to 
others. I *wanted* to believe the "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed 
to blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that suggested it 
wasn't true. 

 I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is not a 
religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware 
of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so 
stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to believe what they were 
told to believe, and *have* to repeat it every time the question comes up. 

 Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset. People 
who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM puja and "hold 
it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of it 
will look you straight in the eyes and call it a "non-religious, traditional 
ceremony." *Some* part of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part they 
can never admit into their conscious awareness. 

 It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every religion, 
spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even happens in business. I 
remember a documentary about activists who were tried in court for staging a 
demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think) the 60s. The 
screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts of the actual trials, and thus 
the under-oath testimony of workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that 
they didn't know what they were building

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'm going to take this quite seriously: I never tried to get rid of anybody on 
this forum. You've said this before, and Barry's hinted at it as well, but it's 
a blatant lie. Nor, obviously, am I trying to get rid of Barry (read what I 
wrote, you dumbass lying troll).
 

 Some people leave because they can't take the heat. That's their problem, not 
mine.
 

 Vaj left because he lied about Ann to Barry in private email, Barry stupidly 
repeated the lie publicly, and Ann exposed the lie.
 

 Robin and I were friends. He left for his own reasons that had nothing to do 
with me.
 

 Curtis left because he had tried to lie about Robin, Ann, and me, and I 
exposed those lies.
 

 I don't know why Ruth and Sal left, but it wasn't because I tried to get rid 
of them.
 

 The strange thing is, people were claiming Ricky was trying to, and doing a 
good job of, getting rid of you and I, Judy. And this was about two weeks ago. 
And you know what? As far as I'm concerned he almost did it in for me and he 
most likely bored Emily to death as she has taken a powder for now. Become 
repetitive and obnoxious enough like Ricky was/is, in spades, is enough to 
drive anyone away. 
 
 Barry does far worse than mere ankle-biting all the time. If he could be made 
to behave like a decent human being, the tenor of this forum would improve 
significantly. >
 The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried to get rid of 
Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to get rid of the only serious 
writer left on the entire forum? Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] living off the grid Texas style

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/family-life-off-the-grid-abe-connally-vela-creations-144054081.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Well you know what Buck, you may be right, I never considered that the
regular practice of the TM and TM Siddhi Programme increased and
improved my creative intelligence to the point I was able to see the
whole TMO and Marshy himself were full of it. All praise to the Unified
Field! TMSP enabled me to see its a crock!

Oddly, Michael, I kinda, sorta agree with what you said, even though I
know you were being ironic, and funny.

It made me think back to my time with the odd Rama dude. He taught me
many things, some of which I'm still grateful to him for. But in the
end, it was his own teachings that caused me to bail on his trip, and
beat feet.

At some point in the latter days I spent around him, during periods when
(as far as I have been able to discern, given all available facts) he
was heavily drug-impaired and thus Losing It Heavily, I found myself
*measuring him by his own teachings*.

He'd given many, many talks about how an enlightened -- or even nice --
being should act, and should interact with the world. I started
measuring him at this point in his life against his *own* teachings
earlier in that life, and to my disappointment he just didn't fuckin'
measure up.

But even for this I think I owe him a bit of gratitude. If he hadn't
taught me those measures back in the early days, when he was still
fairly happening and not so burdened by NPD, I wouldn't have had them in
my arsenal of spiritual tools and been able to use them to evaluate him.
Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

We've discussed such "celestial being" experiences on FFL.  They are a 
very much a part of meditation but discussed more in other paths than 
TM.  However even in those paths you deal with them the same and don't 
pay much attention to them.  The theory is you are seeing beings who 
exist in an alternate universe and they may not see you.


On 01/14/2014 08:38 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Bhairitu,


In the interview, Rick said that some people in the TM community can 
see subtle beings who are present in places where people are present. 
 That sure sounds like angels to me.  :)



Also, can you name the people in FFL who have reached cosmic 
consciousness and beyond?  That should be very interesting.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

How could TM possibly be a religion?? It is, after all, a technique which leads 
to fulfillment, of the goals, of ALL the religions, IF one is willing to put in 
the hard work, and dedication necessary. 

Fear and bitterness are all I see as the drivers of this stupidity [equating TM 
to religion]. It is like referring to a kitchen knife as "a murder weapon", 
when all it is used for, in real life, is chopping carrots. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks, Turqb.  Nice substantial writing even as I can't agree with you I do 
appreciate the thought.  Almost missed your post for all the personal 
ankel-biting macros that get posted here.

 -Buck

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 >
> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

 The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from personal 
experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't* lying. 
Except to themselves. 

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you prefer) is 
that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers 
they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an 
incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that contradicts that 
dogma. They stuff any contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a 
corner of their minds -- literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously -- when they 
say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours after leaving a 
"celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made offerings to Hindu gods. 
They push the dogma they've been told to repeat -- and which they desperately 
*need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to this org/cause they've been 
told is so important -- and they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the 
back of their minds and never acknowledge it. 

I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama trip, so I 
know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the TM Teachers 
repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been taught to repeat. I 
myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting and cannot possibly have any 
negative characteristics" even *while* assigned to the "Twitching Group" in 
Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks 
and spasms and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral outbreak of 
Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides 
and seeing people wind up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I 
became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to myself, and thus to 
others. I *wanted* to believe the "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed 
to blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that suggested it 
wasn't true. 

I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is not a 
religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware 
of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so 
stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to believe what they were 
told to believe, and *have* to repeat it every time the question comes up. 

Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset. People 
who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM puja and "hold 
it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of it 
will look you straight in the eyes and call it a "non-religious, traditional 
ceremony." *Some* part of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part they 
can never admit into their conscious awareness. 

It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every religion, 
spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even happens in business. I 
remember a documentary about activists who were tried in court for staging a 
demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think) the 60s. The 
screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts of the actual trials, and thus 
the under-oath testimony of workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that 
they didn't know what they were building in that GE plant. "We just worked 
there," they all said, claiming that they had no idea that they were working in 
the largest manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world. Every 
morning they walked in through a main entrance hall in which was prominently 
displayed the nosecone of an Atlas missile, and yet they claimed that they 
didn't know what they were building megadeath every day on their assembly 
lines. 

Go figure. That's the cult mindset for you -- protect the myths, protect the 
memes, protect the image of the group that pays you or that you owe allegiance 
to, hide your own everyday lies by hiding the truth even from yourself, way 
down deep in parts of your mind

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

You can make TM your religion if that's your bag, but it's a choice, not a 
requirement.
 

 How could TM possibly be a religion?? It is, after all, a technique which 
leads to fulfillment, of the goals, of ALL the religions, IF one is willing to 
put in the hard work, and dedication necessary. 

Fear and bitterness are all I see as the drivers of this stupidity [equating TM 
to religion]. It is like referring to a kitchen knife as "a murder weapon", 
when all it is used for, in real life, is chopping carrots.

[FairfieldLife] Supernatural movie "Plus One"

"Plus One" is a different take on a sci-fi supernatural movie.  It's 
about some young folks who attend a party and strange things begin to 
happen. They start seeing duplicates of themselves.  In some cases this 
results in some hilarious circumstances.  But there is a lot here about 
this story and how we literally "relate to ourselves."  Available on 
Netflix WI and rated not for Buck.
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Plus_One/70273222

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395385/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.

 Saha Nav,

 satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat   speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam |  don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca nanritam bruyat   don't speak untruth in a pleasant way
esha dharmah sanatanah ||   this is the eternal law 

 Or, TM Saha Nav: never do we speak negativity, never do we denounce anyone,

 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 

 Apostasy is just wrong thinking clearly getting over the line.  Or as the 
Shakers would have said in their way, "Out of Union with the Gospel."

 -Buck   

 An apostate of course is different from someone just being a critic. The 
critic, who as a satisfied and regular practitioner may offer some criticism as 
in a state of critique. Such critique is then also quite different in grade 
from those others being more negative and then again from states of pernicious 
negativity advocacy, like those people who are both quitters and haters in 
method. That becomes a pretty clear sign of someone who has fallen in to TM 
apostasy. 
 We should be mindful and clear about this as we filter our reading and 
interacting with our fellow community members here. That is justly good and 
sound subtle spirituality. Yes, like considering the source of posts I 
certainly sort my incoming mail accordingly. Om we should have, we could have 
better sorted the FFL membership here accordingly from way back with more 
aggressive moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy here. 
Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some right. Saha Nav,

 -Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental 
Meditation Programme   

 Yes, that 'Disaffiliation';   Friends, for any of us we certainly know an 
apostate when we see one. For instance, with The Science of Creative 
Intelligence of which TM is the practical application. Seeing as US 
jurisprudence judges SCI to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that 
people who would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said 
meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy of 
negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as apostates in 
apostasy. Q.E.D., TM Apostates.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 As I'm pretty sure both Xeno and Barry know, apostasy is not limited to 
defection from a religion. One can become an apostate from any previous loyalty.

 > 'Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation 
 > of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as an 
 > apostate.' 
> 
> As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused 
> of apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no one can ever be 
> correctly accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of 
> course the TM org is lying about that claim). 

 It's an NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the POV held by 
your self is "true," and that any POV that contradicts it is is "untrue," then 
you get to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with declaring 
someone an apostate from an organization that you declare is not a religion. :-)

It's a lot like having an argument in which there is only one participant -- 
the person trying to start the argument -- and then declaring one's self the 
"winner." :-)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the 
aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder is 
the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. 

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Actually, Doc, after MIU moved to FF, Maharishi visited and during Q&A, a 
townsperson asked if TM is a religion. Maharishi responded that religious 
people will see it as a religion; scientists will see it as a science. I think 
he also said that business people will see it as a business and educators will 
see it as a method of education. 





On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:20 AM, "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
How could TM possibly be a religion?? It is, after all, a technique which leads 
to fulfillment, of the goals, of ALL the religions, IF one is willing to put in 
the hard work, and dedication necessary. 

Fear and bitterness are all I see as the drivers of this stupidity [equating TM 
to religion]. It is like referring to a kitchen knife as "a murder weapon", 
when all it is used for, in real life, is chopping carrots. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Thanks, Turqb.  Nice substantial writing even as I can't agree with you I do 
appreciate the thought.  Almost missed your post for all
the personal ankel-biting macros that get posted here.
-Buck



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
>>
>>> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade
>>
>>The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from personal 
>>experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't* lying. 
>>Except to themselves. 
>
>One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you prefer) is 
>that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers 
>they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an 
>incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that contradicts that 
>dogma. They stuff any contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a 
>corner of their minds -- literally "out of sight, out of mind." 
>
>So technically many of these people are *not* lying -- consciously -- when 
>they say that TM is not a religion, often only a couple of hours after leaving 
>a "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and made offerings to Hindu gods. 
>They push the dogma they've been told to repeat -- and which they desperately 
>*need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to this org/cause they've been 
>told is so important -- and they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in 
>the back of their minds and never acknowledge it. 
>
>I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in the Rama trip, so I 
>know it's not only possible, but probable for *most* of the TM Teachers 
>repeating the "TM is not a religion" meme they've been taught to repeat. I 
>myself repeated the "TM is 100% life-supporting and cannot possibly have any 
>negative characteristics" even *while* assigned to the "Twitching Group" in 
>Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks 
>and spasms and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral outbreak of 
>Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* -- after hearing of a number of suicides 
>and seeing people wind up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before 
>I became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to myself, and thus to 
>others. I *wanted* to believe the "no negative side effects" meme, so I 
>managed to blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that suggested 
>it wasn't true. 
>
>I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to the "TM is not a 
>religion" meme are doing the same thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware 
>of the reality and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so 
>stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to believe what they were 
>told to believe, and *have* to repeat it every time the question comes up. 
>
>Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult mindset. People 
>who had to learn and memorize the English translation of the TM puja and "hold 
>it lively in their minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of it 
>will look you straight in the eyes and call it a "non-religious, traditional 
>ceremony." *Some* part of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part they 
>can never admit into their conscious awareness. 
>
>It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty much every religion, 
>spiritual organization, and cult in the world. It even happens in business. I 
>remember a documentary about activists who were tried in court for staging a 
>demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think) the 60s. The 
>screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts of the actual trials, and thus 
>the under-oath testimony of workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed 
>that they didn't know what they were building in that GE plant. "We just 
>worked there," they all said, claiming that they had no idea that they were 
>working in the largest manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world. 
>Every morning t

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Seriously, was Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

On 1/15/2014 9:35 AM, Share Long wrote:
> Richard, I do wish Funny Farm Loungers would operationally define 
> their terms, as is done in Science. For example, what is meant by 
> seriously? It seems like you operationally define it as:
> 1. replying quickly to posts
> 2. replying to a lot of posts
> 3. replying to posts throughout the day and night
> 4. replying with a macro, which btw makes me think of macaroni (-:
>
> Do I have it right so far?
 >
Almost right - just add 5. If somebody monitors FFL 24 x 7, they are 
probably serious about reading messages on FFL.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.


On 1/15/2014 10:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*I'm going to take this quite seriously:*

>
I wasn't really serious when I posted that. But, one way to get rid of 
another informant is to call them a liar.

[FairfieldLife] Does your iPhone believe in God?

A funny and perceptive article on the heels of Spike Jonze's "Her."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/siri-religious-beliefs-iphone_n\
_4590708.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.


On 1/15/2014 10:50 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
It must be a very traumatic experience to make a 360 like that - from 
cultist to anti-cultist! Go figure.


In all seriousness, I actually agree with you.

>
In Barry's case, he was a cultist twice over before he became an 
anti-cultist. But, before he joined the anti-cult cult, he wrote some 
pretty good cult apologies for Rama - one is considered a cult classic 
on Google Groups. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.


On 1/15/2014 10:51 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:


The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried
to get rid of Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to
get rid of the only serious writer left on the entire forum? Go
figure.


You're right, nothing you say is serious.


>
This is not a serious discussion forum, but it is a fact that Ruth, Sal, 
Robin, Curtis, and Vaj are no longer around. Maybe it's because they 
were called liars. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.


On 1/15/2014 10:58 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Become repetitive and obnoxious enough like Ricky was/is, in spades, 
is enough to drive anyone away. 

>
More boring than a couple of informants posting "macros"? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Does your iPhone believe in God?


On 1/15/2014 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


*/A funny and perceptive article on the heels of Spike Jonze's "Her."

/*

*/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/siri-religious-beliefs-iphone_n_4590708.html/*

>
Does reading articles on the Huffington Post makes anyone smarter than a 
fifth-grader?

[FairfieldLife] RE: living off the grid Texas style

Share,
 

 It takes a very courageous couple to live a life they have chosen.  I just 
wonder if they built their house facing the easterly direction.  If they did, 
the house should provide them good fortune.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: living off the grid Texas style

John, I looked at the photos again but couldn't tell the direction from them. 
The family seems very committed to their decision. Some aspects of their life 
appeal to me and some don't. 





On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:28 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"  
wrote:
 
  
Share,

It takes a very courageous couple to live a life they have chosen.  I just 
wonder if they built their house facing the easterly direction.  If they did, 
the house should provide them good fortune.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

2014-01-15 Thread anartaxius

Apostasy is one of the  techniques you may use for spiritual advancement, 
because it gets you out of thinking that what you are thinking is true rather 
than an opinion or a pointer. 

 Spiritual jargon's intent is to create an environment of special vocabulary 
that can be used as information and strategies for getting out from under 
belief and experiencing life as direct here and now experience, life without 
labels and judgment (you can still make up judgments of course but you know you 
are full of it when you do so, and unfortunately you may have to act on such 
judgments sometimes). 

 But the pointer 'all this is total nonsense' gets dropped out of the picture 
very early on. Even in TM Maharishi talked about 'removing a thorn with a 
thorn' using 'words of ignorance to remove ignorance' - that's the teaching - 
whatever the teaching, the teaching has the probability to become part of the 
problem you think you need to get rid of if you forget this pointer, that 
essentially the teaching, the words, the ideas, the concepts, is not the 
reality you are seeking.

 A teaching is an attempt (because as we see teachings often fail and fail 
miserably) to encode its intended target (the experience of reality) within the 
morass of our mental fantasies.It is like malware that wipes the hard drive of 
your computer clean so that nothing on it is recoverable. If it works it is 
self erasing, and if it fails we have ideologies and religions and the day to 
day life of humanity in all its warring misery. Apostasy is the result of 
successful spiritual investigation.

 Falling into a cult mentality is pretty easy because in some ways we seem to 
be hard wired for it. Certain things can be learned much faster this way, just 
by believing instead of being curious, sceptical, investigative, experimental. 
But at some point in our maturity this tendency starts to work against us and 
we remain stunted if we do not find a way around this tendency to believe in an 
unconscious way.

 Even if you are surrounded by people who seem to be most like you, if you go 
deep enough you find that what is in their mind (as they relate it to you) has 
often major discrepancies with what you think. That is a clue that what we 
think may not be so real as we thought. The tendency is to think he or she is 
wrong or they are wrong. It usually never occurs to us that we are all wrong, 
that there is something inherently unsteady, unreliable with our view of life.

 That is because what is in our head is just model, a set of symbols about 
experience. Life can be modeled in so many ways, but these ways are not the 
life we live. The life we live day to day is just pure experience, it's not 
necessary to explain it all the time to ourselves or others. Fun or misery, 
it's all we have. It's not a requirement for life that everybody else in the 
world follow our particular way of thinking. It should be clear being on FFL 
that no one here is ever in complete agreement with anyone else (which means 
someone is going to disagree with this tripe I am writing). 

 Spiritual systems and politics are the worst when it comes to our inner 
fantasies. Apostasy is a way out of the trap. Stay flexible, inquisitive, 
switch brands once in a while. Apostasy in its more general meaning is the way 
a cult stigmatises one who leaves the cult - its name calling basically - an 
attempt to cast a shadow on them, to ruin them. But to the one labeled 
'apostate' it is freedom. Of course one might be an idiot and fall into another 
trap. But if you are a good apostate, you will eventually worm your way out of 
those traps set to capture the mind in Fantasyland.

 Now I'm going for a walk in the park, no thinking. (Remember TM people, the 
process is designed to take experience out of the thinking mind, out of all 
those trite, expansive, stupid, intelligent, ridiculous and sublime thoughts. 
If you have to think about truth, you will never find out what the word 
implies, what it is intended to point to, and if you do eventually find out 
someday, maybe the very next thing you do will be to have a beer, or maybe you 
will pick your nose and exclaim, hmmm.)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 >
> of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade

 The sadder reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from personal 
experience (or may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't* lying. 
Except to themselves. 

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset if you prefer) is 
that people who have bought into a shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers 
they now revere almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an 
incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that contradicts that 
dogma. They stuff any contradictions or cognitive dissonance away back in a 
corner of their minds -- literally "out of sight, out o

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

Bhairitu,
 

 IMO, these experiences of "celestial beings" may be due to hynogogia, a state 
of consciousness in between sleep and waking.  It would appear that meditation, 
for some people, may enhance or extend hynogogia into the waking state.  Thus, 
they appear to see or hallucinate visions in conjunction with ordinary 
activities during the day.
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 1/15/2014 10:51 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried to get rid of 
Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to get rid of the only serious 
writer left on the entire forum? Go figure.
 
 You're right, nothing you say is serious. >
 This is not a serious discussion forum, but it is a fact that Ruth, Sal, 
Robin, Curtis, and Vaj are no longer around. Maybe it's because they were 
called liars. Go figure.

Don't know Ruth, don't know Sal, Robin has better things to do, Curtis 
apparently does too and Vaj got spooked.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Does your iPhone believe in God?



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 1/15/2014 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
 A funny and perceptive article on the heels of Spike Jonze's "Her."
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/siri-religious-beliefs-iphone_n_4590708.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/siri-religious-beliefs-iphone_n_4590708.html
 >
 Does reading articles on the Huffington Post makes anyone smarter than a 
fifth-grader?

I take it this is your new macro. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

Hallucinatory visions are unstable and easy to tell.  These can be very 
stable though they will eventually fade out. Point is that many folks 
even back in the 1970s noticed they weren't actually coming out of 
meditation anymore.  The transcendent stayed with them into activity.  
MMY tended to confuse the issue probably to extract more money from folks.


On 01/15/2014 12:49 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Bhairitu,


IMO, these experiences of "celestial beings" may be due to hynogogia, 
a state of consciousness in between sleep and waking.  It would appear 
that meditation, for some people, may enhance or extend hynogogia into 
the waking state.  Thus, they appear to see or hallucinate visions in 
conjunction with ordinary activities during the day.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

Good point - you can make anything a religion, and TM has enough convenient 
pieces lying around, like mousetraps, so it can be made to operate that way 
too. Why you would want to, either pro, or con, TM, is another question. Both 
are dead ends.
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You can make TM your religion if that's your bag, but it's a choice, not a 
requirement.
 

 How could TM possibly be a religion?? It is, after all, a technique which 
leads to fulfillment, of the goals, of ALL the religions, IF one is willing to 
put in the hard work, and dedication necessary. 

Fear and bitterness are all I see as the drivers of this stupidity [equating TM 
to religion]. It is like referring to a kitchen knife as "a murder weapon", 
when all it is used for, in real life, is chopping carrots.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

I would like to have a conversation with you about your time with Rama if you 
are willing. I am more than happy to do it privately if you like cause I know 
some on here are going to revile you no matter what you say. So can we talk?

On Wed, 1/15/14, TurquoiseB  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 5:02 PM

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
 wrote:
 >
 > Well you know what Buck, you may be right, I never
 considered that the regular practice of the TM and TM Siddhi
 Programme increased and improved my creative intelligence to
 the point I was able to see the whole TMO and Marshy himself
 were full of it. All praise to the Unified Field! TMSP
 enabled me to see its a crock! 

 Oddly, Michael, I kinda, sorta
 agree with what you said, even though I know you were being
 ironic, and funny. 

 It made me think back to my time with the odd Rama dude. He
 taught me many things, some of which I'm still grateful
 to him for. But in the end, it was his own teachings that
 caused me to bail on his trip, and beat feet. 

 At some point in the latter days I spent around him, during
 periods when (as far as I have been able to discern, given
 all available facts) he was heavily drug-impaired and thus
 Losing It Heavily, I found myself *measuring him by his own
 teachings*. 

 He'd given many, many talks about how an enlightened --
 or even nice -- being should act, and should interact with
 the world. I started measuring him at this point in his life
 against his *own* teachings earlier in that life, and to my
 disappointment he just didn't fuckin' measure up. 

 But even for this I think I owe him a bit of gratitude. If
 he hadn't taught me those measures back in the early
 days, when he was still fairly happening and not so burdened
 by NPD, I wouldn't have had them in my arsenal of
 spiritual tools and been able to use them to evaluate him.
 Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

then how do you account for the focus on yagyas, which are Hindu religious 
ceremonies, the continual focus on celebrating all the Hindu religious holidays 
and the act of the TMO leaders refering to themselves as rajas and continuing 
to both practice and promote a somewhat westernized form of Hinduism? Some, 
including the former skin boy I spoke with characterize the technique itself as 
a Hindu devotional practice designed to gain the favor of higher powers (gods 
and goddesses) and as such it really isn't a proper meditation unless you 
consider the devotional practice to be a meditation.

Regardless of how it was presented by M, the technique remains a Hindu 
devotional practice and with all the other Hindu accoutrements that are draped 
all around the 20 mins. twice a day, I don't see how you can't see that M and 
the current TMO leaders have made it into a religion. 

Of course, one's perception guides all things, and if you don't perceive TM to 
be a religion, then it isn't for you, but that seems to be a bit of 
compartmentalization to me.

On Wed, 1/15/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com  
wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 5:10 PM

   How could TM possibly be a
 religion?? It is, after all, a technique which leads to
 fulfillment, of the goals, of ALL the religions, IF one is
 willing to put in the hard work, and dedication necessary. 

 Fear and bitterness are all I see as the drivers of this
 stupidity [equating TM to religion]. It is like referring to
 a kitchen knife as "a murder weapon", when all it
 is used for, in real life, is chopping carrots.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  wrote:

 Thanks, Turqb.
  Nice substantial writing even as I can't agree
 with you I do appreciate the thought.  Almost missed
 your post for all
 the personal ankel-biting macros that get posted
 here.
 -Buck

  ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote:

 ---
 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
  >
 > of course they are lying about it - that's their
 stock in trade

  The sadder
 reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from
 personal experience (or may...that is for you to say) is
 that they *aren't* lying. Except to themselves. 

 One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset
 if you prefer) is that people who have bought into a
 shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers they now revere
 almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an
 incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that
 contradicts that dogma. They stuff any contradictions or
 cognitive dissonance away back in a corner of their minds --
 literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

 So technically many of these people are *not* lying --
 consciously -- when they say that TM is not a religion,
 often only a couple of hours after leaving a
 "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and
 made offerings to Hindu gods. They push the dogma
 they've been told to repeat -- and which they
 desperately *need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to
 this org/cause they've been told is so important -- and
 they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the back of
 their minds and never acknowledge it. 

 I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in
 the Rama trip, so I know it's not only possible, but
 probable for *most* of the TM Teachers repeating the
 "TM is not a religion" meme they've been
 taught to repeat. I myself repeated the "TM is 100%
 life-supporting and cannot possibly have any negative
 characteristics" even *while* assigned to the
 "Twitching Group" in Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens
 of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks and spasms
 and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral
 outbreak of Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* --
 after hearing of a number of suicides and seeing people wind
 up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I
 became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to
 myself, and thus to others. I *wanted* to believe the
 "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed to
 blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that
 suggested it wasn't true. 

 I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to
 the "TM is not a religion" meme are doing the same
 thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware of the reality
 and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so
 stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to
 believe what they were told to believe, and *have* to repeat
 it every time the question comes up. 

 Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult
 mindset. People who had to learn and memorize the English
 translation of the TM puja and "hold it lively in their
 minds" every time they chanted the Sanskri

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: living off the grid Texas style

Hmm, across the street I have a number of houses which are east facing.  
The folks at the closest one had to sell their house in 2007 for a 
loss.  So much for the east facing thang.


On 01/15/2014 12:28 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Share,


It takes a very courageous couple to live a life they have chosen.  I 
just wonder if they built their house facing the easterly direction. 
 If they did, the house should provide them good fortune.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

MJ, the next time I go to a TM facility I will let you know, and we can compare
notes. Don't hold your breath - it has been a decade and a half, for me, so
far, with no particular urge apparent. I did visit a Catholic shrine last
summer - that was definitely a religious place.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

then how do you account for the focus on yagyas, which are Hindu religious
ceremonies, the continual focus on celebrating all the Hindu religious holidays
and the act of the TMO leaders refering to themselves as rajas and continuing
to both practice and promote a somewhat westernized form of Hinduism? Some,
including the former skin boy I spoke with characterize the technique itself as
a Hindu devotional practice designed to gain the favor of higher powers (gods
and goddesses) and as such it really isn't a proper meditation unless you
consider the devotional practice to be a meditation.

Regardless of how it was presented by M, the technique remains a Hindu
devotional practice and with all the other Hindu accoutrements that are draped
all around the 20 mins. twice a day, I don't see how you can't see that M and
the current TMO leaders have made it into a religion.

Of course, one's perception guides all things, and if you don't perceive TM to
be a religion, then it isn't for you, but that seems to be a bit of
compartmentalization to me.

On Wed, 1/15/14, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@...> wrote:

Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 5:10 PM

How could TM possibly be a
religion?? It is, after all, a technique which leads to
fulfillment, of the goals, of ALL the religions, IF one is
willing to put in the hard work, and dedication necessary.

Fear and bitterness are all I see as the drivers of this
stupidity [equating TM to religion]. It is like referring to
a kitchen knife as "a murder weapon", when all it
is used for, in real life, is chopping carrots.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote:

Thanks, Turqb.
Nice substantial writing even as I can't agree
with you I do appreciate the thought. Almost missed
your post for all
the personal ankel-biting macros that get posted
here.
-Buck

---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

wrote:

---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael
Jackson wrote:
>
> of course they are lying about it - that's their
stock in trade

The sadder
reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from
personal experience (or may...that is for you to say) is
that they *aren't* lying. Except to themselves.

One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset
if you prefer) is that people who have bought into a
shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers they now revere
almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an
incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that
contradicts that dogma. They stuff any contradictions or
cognitive dissonance away back in a corner of their minds --
literally "out of sight, out of mind."

So technically many of these people are *not* lying --
consciously -- when they say that TM is not a religion,
often only a couple of hours after leaving a
"celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and
made offerings to Hindu gods. They push the dogma
they've been told to repeat -- and which they
desperately *need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to
this org/cause they've been told is so important -- and
they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the back of
their minds and never acknowledge it.

I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in
the Rama trip, so I know it's not only possible, but
probable for *most* of the TM Teachers repeating the
"TM is not a religion" meme they've been
taught to repeat. I myself repeated the "TM is 100%
life-supporting and cannot possibly have any negative
characteristics" even *while* assigned to the
"Twitching Group" in Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens
of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks and spasms
and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral
outbreak of Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* --
after hearing of a number of suicides and seeing people wind
up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I
became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to
myself, and thus to others. I *wanted* to believe the
"no negative side effects" meme, so I managed to
blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that
suggested it wasn't true.

I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to
the "TM is not a religion" meme are doing the same
thin

RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

2014-01-15 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of jr_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:50 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the 
Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

Bhairitu,

IMO, these experiences of "celestial beings" may be due to hynogogia, a state 
of consciousness in between sleep and waking.  It would appear that meditation, 
for some people, may enhance or extend hynogogia into the waking state.  Thus, 
they appear to see or hallucinate visions in conjunction with ordinary 
activities during the day.

The folks I referred to in the interview see them all the time, very clearly, 
in the waking state. Although since they’re in an enlightened state, or 
whatever you’d like to call it, it’s not really the waking state. It’s what 
Maharishi predicted in his 7-states model: refined, “celestial” perception. 
Subtle or “celestial” beings are all around us, or in a parallel dimension. 
Most people just can’t see them because their perception is not sufficiently 
refined.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

which shrine?

On Thu, 1/16/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com  
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 12:02 AM

   MJ, the next time I go to a TM facility I will
 let you know, and we can compare notes. Don't hold your
 breath - it has been a decade and a half, for me, so far,
 with no particular urge apparent. I did visit a Catholic
 shrine last summer - that was definitely a religious place.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote:

 then how do you
 account for the focus on yagyas, which are Hindu religious
 ceremonies, the continual focus on celebrating all the Hindu
 religious holidays and the act of the TMO leaders refering
 to themselves as rajas and continuing to both practice and
 promote a somewhat westernized form of Hinduism? Some,
 including the former skin boy I spoke with characterize the
 technique itself as a Hindu devotional practice designed to
 gain the favor of higher powers (gods and goddesses) and as
 such it really isn't a proper meditation unless you
 consider the devotional practice to be a meditation.

 Regardless of how it was presented by M, the technique
 remains a Hindu devotional practice and with all the other
 Hindu accoutrements that are draped all around the 20 mins.
 twice a day, I don't see how you can't see that M
 and the current TMO leaders have made it into a religion. 

 Of course, one's perception guides all things, and if
 you don't perceive TM to be a religion, then it
 isn't for you, but that seems to be a bit of
 compartmentalization to me.

  On Wed, 1/15/14, doctordumbass@...

 wrote:

  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible
 thing.

  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

  Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 5:10 PM

How could TM possibly be a

  religion?? It is, after all, a technique which leads to

  fulfillment, of the goals, of ALL the religions, IF one is

  willing to put in the hard work, and dedication necessary.

  Fear and bitterness are all I see as the drivers of this

  stupidity [equating TM to religion]. It is like referring
 to

  a kitchen knife as "a murder weapon", when all
 it

  is used for, in real life, is chopping carrots.

  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

   wrote:

  Thanks, Turqb.

   Nice substantial writing even as I can't agree

  with you I do appreciate the thought.  Almost missed

  your post for all

  the personal ankel-biting macros that get posted

  here.

  -Buck

   ---In

  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

  wrote:

  ---

  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Michael Jackson  wrote:

   >

  > of course they are lying about it - that's their

  stock in trade

   The sadder

  reality, Michael, one that you may not be aware of from

  personal experience (or may...that is for you to say) is

  that they *aren't* lying. Except to themselves. 

  One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult
 mindset

  if you prefer) is that people who have bought into a

  shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers they now revere

  almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an

  incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything
 that

  contradicts that dogma. They stuff any contradictions or

  cognitive dissonance away back in a corner of their minds
 --

  literally "out of sight, out of mind." 

  So technically many of these people are *not* lying --

  consciously -- when they say that TM is not a religion,

  often only a couple of hours after leaving a

  "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and

  made offerings to Hindu gods. They push the dogma

  they've been told to repeat -- and which they

  desperately *need* to be true to keep up their allegiance
 to

  this org/cause they've been told is so important --
 and

  they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the back
 of

  their minds and never acknowledge it. 

  I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in

  the Rama trip, so I know it's not only possible, but

  probable for *most* of the TM Teachers repeating the

  "TM is not a religion" meme they've been

  taught to repeat. I myself repeated the "TM is 100%

  life-supporting and cannot possibly have any negative

  characteristics" even *while* assigned to the

  "Twitching Group" in Fiuggi, surrounded by
 dozens

  of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks and
 spasms

  and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral

  outbreak of Tourette's Syndrome. It t

RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

Rick,
 

 We've discussed the existence of higher dimensions here in the forum often 
enough.  It is generally acknowledged by physicists that these dimensions may 
be curled up within space-time itself.  But they have not been able to find or 
discover them.
 

 Given our knowledge of MMY's idea that everything in the universe is based on 
consciousness, I made a proposal that the higher dimensions may refer to the 7 
states of consciousness in addition to the space-time continuum.  If you add up 
all of the dimensions (7 states of consciousness plus the 4 dimensions of space 
and time), it would total to 11 dimensions, which are the amount of dimensions 
that scientists are using in their quantum string theory.
 

 If this proposal is true, then it is possible these "celestial beings" do 
exist in the higher dimensions which the enlightened humans can perceive in 
their own mind and consciousness.  Perhaps, this was the point that Hagelin was 
talking about when you brought up the subject of subtle beings.
 

 I have other points of interest in that interview.  But I'll end it here for 
brevity sake.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: living off the grid Texas style

Bhairitu,
 

 You don't know all the details.  Maybe the owner sold the house because he had 
a new job, or promotion and had to move to another town or state.
 

 Also, the great recession started around July 2008.  So, it was good that he 
sold the house earlier.  Otherwise, he might have lost a lot more money than he 
did.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: living off the grid Texas style

Nope, they still live locally. Probably in an apartment.  Their son was 
old enough to leave home to live.  I would bet there are plenty of 
foreclosed homeowners who had houses east facing.


On 01/15/2014 05:21 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Bhairitu,


You don't know all the details.  Maybe the owner sold the house 
because he had a new job, or promotion and had to move to another town 
or state.



Also, the great recession started around July 2008.  So, it was good 
that he sold the house earlier.  Otherwise, he might have lost a lot 
more money than he did.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

St. Annes Shrine, on Isle Le Motte, in Lake Champlain, near Burlington, VT. 
Amazing island - All small farms, surrounded by water, very peaceful. There is 
a causeway over, from another island, so driving is possible.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Happy Happy 12 January

By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of 
consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly 
purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical 
benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of 
their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing 
body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice 
had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual.
 

 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to 
produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this 
inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 
1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, “Through 
the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.”
 

 This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving 
expression to the phenomenon that is taking place.
 
 
 
 One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for 
the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day.
 

 It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the 
direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, 
happiness, and progress.
 
 It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and 
experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy 
participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment.
 
 
 -Maharishi
 
 
 12 January 1975

[FairfieldLife] RE: Happy Happy 12 January

Through the window of Science we see the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.
 
 
 Good time for the world is coming. Now, a few people in any country will be 
able to change the destiny of their nation for all good.

 
 
 One percent of the population will be sufficient to design the direction of 
time for all happiness, progress, and fulfillment everywhere.
 
 
 I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.
 
 
 
 In this scientific age, it is no longer necessary for any nation to continue 
living with problems.
 


 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to 
produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this 
inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 
1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, “Through 
the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.”
 

 This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving 
expression to the phenomenon that is taking place.
 
 
 
 One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for 
the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day.
 

 It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the 
direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, 
happiness, and progress.
 
 It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and 
experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy 
participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment.
 
 
 -Maharishi
 
 
 12 January 1975

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Unified Field Tolstoy

After these words the transcendentalist leaned on his elbow on the back of the 
sofa and closed his eyes, as though weary of prolonged talking. Pierre gazed at 
that stern, immovable, old, almost death-like face, and moved his lips without 
uttering a sound. He wanted to say, “Yes, a vile, idle, vicious life,” and he 
dared not break the silence. The transcendentalist cleared his throat huskily, 
as old men do, Pierre getting up with downcast head, beginning to walk up and 
down the room, casting a glance from time to time at the transcendentalist. 
“Yes, I had thought of it, but I have led a contemptible, dissolute life, but I 
did not like it, and if he liked he could reveal It to me.” Pierre wanted to 
say this to the old transcendentalist but dared not. After packing his things 
with his practised old hands, the traveller buttoned up his sheepskin. On 
finishing these preparations, he turned to Pierre, and in a polite, indifferent 
tone, said to him:

 “Where you going now, sir?”
 ..answered Pierre in a tone of childish indecision, “I thank you. I agree with 
you in everything. But do not suppose that I have been so bad. With all my soul 
I have desired to be what you would wish me to be; But I have never met with 
help from any one . . . Though I was myself most to blame for everything. Help 
me, instruct me, and perhaps I shall be able . . .”

 Pierre could not say more; his voice broke and he turned away.

 The transcendentalist was silent, obviously pondering something.

 “Help comes only from the Unified Field,” he said, “but such measure of aid as 
it is in the power of our movement to give you, it will give you, sir. You go 
to this lecture and give them this” (he took out of his notebook and wrote a 
few words on a large sheet of paper folded in to four). “One piece of advice 
let me give you. Devote your time first to meditation, solitude and 
self-examination, and do not return to your old manner of life. Therewith I 
wish you a good journey, sir, and all success . . .” The stranger was a 
transcending meditation teacher as Pierre found later and had been one of the 
most well known transcendentalist of that time. For a long time after the 
transcendentalist had left Pierre walked about the room. He reviewed his 
vicious past, and with an ecstatic sense of beginning anew, pictured to himself 
a blissful, irreproachably virtuous future, which seemed to him easy of 
attainment. It seemed to him that he had been vicious simply because he had 
accidentally forgotten how good it was to be virtuous. 

 Unified Field Tolstoy:

 Tolstoy's War and Peace, Book V: 1806 - 07

Paraphrased

 Transcendental Tolstoy.
 Dear Feste, 

 It gets better or worst. Forgive me if I sin as doing more in this paraphrase:

 >Feste37> wrote:

 >Oh, Buck, "Paraphrasing" the Bible is OK, but doing the same to Tolstoy is 
 >sacreligeous!

 "are you a Meditator?"

 In the War and Peace script,

 Unified Field Masonry:

 Tolstoy's War and Peace, Book V: 1806 - 07

Paraphrased:

 Pierre the non-meditator asking: 
"Allow me to ask," he said, "are you a Meditator?" Bazdeev the old meditator 
answering: "Yes, I belong to the
movement of the transcendental meditators," said the stranger, looking deeper
and deeper into the non-meditator's eyes. "And in their name and my own I hold
out a brotherly hand to you." "I am afraid," said the non-meditator, smiling,
and wavering between the confidence the personality of the transcendental
meditator inspired in him and his own habit of ridiculing the meditator
beliefs--"I am afraid I am very far from understanding--how am I to put it?--I
am afraid my way of looking at the world is so opposed to yours that we shall
not understand one another."

 “Yes, well we know the outlook,and the view of life you

 mention”, said the transcendentalist, “and which you think  is the result of 
your own mental efforts,  is the one held by the majority of people,  and is 
the invariable fruit of pride, indolence,  and ignorance. Forgive me but if I 
had not known it  I should not have addressed this here. Your view of life is a 
regrettable delusion and a melancholy error.” 

 Yes, and the Transcendental Masons.  Dear RJ Das, that is a very good 
observation you make here. 
 This being winter and a storm upon us now these are my favorite days to Be 
holed-up inside watching Tolstoy's War and Peace. The recently BBC remastered 
DVD has a lot more scenes edited in that make an even better telling of 
Tolstoy's War and Peace. A favorite part is the conversation while at a stage 
stop of the spiritual iconoclast seeker as Pierre talking with the old 
transcendentalist there that is given in voice as a Mason. That mysticism is 
quite a lot like old Quakerism and TM transcendentalism also. 
 -Buck in the Dome 

 http://www.amazon.com/War-Peace-BBC-Production-Box/dp/6304246579 
http://www.amazon.com/War-Peace-BBC-Production-Box/dp/6304246579 

 ---In Fairfiel

[FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow

2014-01-15 Thread s3raphita

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this series. And opinion seems 
equally divided on the comments below on-line reviews.
 For me, the whole point of the Holmes stories was to see the great man solving 
crimes. This series is far too involved in the characters of Holmes's immediate 
circle and is way too self indulgent. Watson's wife, Mary, is scarcely 
mentioned in the original Conan-Doyle stories; here she's become a central 
character and has out-stayed her welcome. Another example of the series being 
too much up itself is that the parents of Sherlock are played by Benedict 
Cumberbatch's real-life parents; and Watson's wife is played by Martin 
Freeman's real-life partner! Ugh!

 And can you buy Sherlock as a seducer of women? He's not James Bond.
 I watch the series as it does have some excellent set pieces. In this last 
episode the internal dialogue following Sherlock’s shooting was brilliant. And 
Charles Augustus Magnussen as Holmes's foe has to be one of the creepiest 
villains I've seen - even disturbingly perverse. (Pity we won't see him again.)
 

 The BBC also had a tie-in documentary Timeshift: How to be Sherlock Holmes: 
The Many Faces of a Master Detective about the screen versions of Sherlock 
Holmes since 1900 which shows how our perception of the detective is as much 
influenced by film as by those Conan Doyle stories (and The Strand Magazine 
illustrations). Worth a look and available on BBC iPlayer for free.
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03pzsd9 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03pzsd9

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Unified Field Tolstoy

2014-01-15 Thread anartaxius

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote [with 
corrections applied]:

 
 After these words the Mason leaned on his elbow on the back of the sofa and 
closed his eyes, as though weary of prolonged talking. Pierre gazed at that 
stern, immovable, old, almost death-like face, and moved his lips without 
uttering a sound. He wanted to say, “Yes, a vile, idle, vicious life,” and he 
dared not break the silence. The Mason cleared his throat huskily, as old men 
do, Pierre getting up with downcast head, beginning to walk up and down the 
room, casting a glance from time to time at the Mason. “Yes, I had thought of 
it, but I have led a contemptible, dissolute life, but I did not like it, and 
if he liked he could reveal It to me.” Pierre wanted to say this to the old 
Mason but dared not. After packing his things with his practised old hands, the 
traveller buttoned up his sheepskin. On finishing these preparations, he turned 
to Pierre, and in a polite, indifferent tone, said to him:
 
 “Where you going now, sir?”
 ..answered Pierre in a tone of childish indecision, “I thank you. I agree with 
you in everything. But do not suppose that I have been so bad. With all my soul 
I have desired to be what you would wish me to be; But I have never met with 
help from any one . . . Though I was myself most to blame for everything. Help 
me, instruct me, and perhaps I shall be able . . .”
 
 Pierre could not say more; his voice broke and he turned away.
 

 The Mason was silent, obviously pondering something.
 
 “Help comes only from God,” he said, “but such measure of aid as it is in the 
power of our movement to give you, it will give you, sir. You go to this 
lecture and give them this” (he took out of his notebook and wrote a few words 
on a large sheet of paper folded in to four). “One piece of advice let me give 
you. Devote your time first to meditation, solitude and self-examination, and 
do not return to your old manner of life. Therewith I wish you a good journey, 
sir, and all success . . .” The stranger was Osip Alexyevitch Bazdyev as Pierre 
found later and had been one of the most well known freemasons and Martinists 
even in Novikov's day. For a long time after he had gone Pierre walked about 
the room. He reviewed his vicious past, and with an ecstatic sense of beginning 
anew, pictured to himself a blissful, irreproachably virtuous future, which 
seemed to him easy of attainment. It seemed to him that he had been vicious 
simply because he had accidentally forgotten how good it was to be virtuous.
 

 Come on Buck, write your own stuff.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: living off the grid Texas style



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Nope, they still live locally.  Probably in an apartment.  Their son was old 
enough to leave home to live.  I would bet there are plenty of foreclosed 
homeowners who had houses east facing.  
 

 Oh my goodness you guys. So literal-minded.
 
 On 01/15/2014 05:21 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Bhairitu,
 
 
 You don't know all the details.  Maybe the owner sold the house because he had 
a new job, or promotion and had to move to another town or state.
 
 
 Also, the great recession started around July 2008.  So, it was good that he 
sold the house earlier.  Otherwise, he might have lost a lot more money than he 
did.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sherlock: His Last Vow