Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend?
Sentient robots? Not possible if you do the maths So long, robot pals – and robot overlords. Sentient machines http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829171.900-consciousness-why-we-need-to-build-sentient-machines.html may never exist, according to a variation on a leading mathematical model of how our brains create consciousness http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg9645.000-the-fourth-state-of-matter-consciousness.html. Over the past decade, Giulio Tononi at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and his colleagues have developed a mathematical framework for consciousness http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1003588 that has become one of the most influential theories in the field. According to their model, the ability to integrate information is a key property of consciousness. They argue that in conscious minds, integrated information cannot be reduced into smaller components. For instance, when a human perceives a red triangle, the brain cannot register the object as a colourless triangle plus a shapeless patch of red. But there is a catch, argues Phil Maguire http://www.cs.nuim.ie/~pmaguire/ at the National University of Ireland in Maynooth. He points to a computational device called the XOR logic gate, which involves two inputs, A and B. The output of the gate is 1 if A and B are the same and 0 if A and B are different. In this scenario, it is impossible to predict the output based on A or B alone – you need both. Memory edit Crucially, this type of integration requires loss of information, says Maguire: You have put in two bits, and you get one out. If the brain integrated information in this fashion, it would have to be continuously haemorrhaging information. Maguire and his colleagues say the brain is unlikely to do this, because repeated retrieval of memories would eventually destroy them. Instead, they define integration in terms of how difficult information is to edit. Consider an album of digital photographs. The pictures are compiled but not integrated, so deleting or modifying individual images is easy. But when we create memories, we integrate those snapshots of information into our bank of earlier memories. This makes it extremely difficult to selectively edit out one scene from the album in our brain. Based on this definition, Maguire and his team have shown mathematically that computers can't handle any process that integrates information completely. If you accept that consciousness is based on total integration, then computers can't be conscious. Read the whole story here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths.html#.U3SA5_ldVZK http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths.html#.U3SA5_ldVZK But no, you won't find anything about actual transcending - whatever that is - that was a joke on John's surreal exposition from the weekend. I suspect that for a robot to transcend we would have to program it to have a set of emotional and spacial/visual recognition components that could be rearranged to reflect an inner state of disengagement from non-metaphorical stimulus/response routines and a corresponding increase of reward systems, possibly feedbacking into total rejection of programmed response to outer awareness in favour of self-satisfaction. Basically we'd have to build a robot to be just like us. But most scientists into the idea of artificial intelligence aren't thinking along those lines. In fact the best thing about this article is the link to one of the latest theories of consciousness: Integrated information theory (IIT) approaches the relationship between consciousness and its physical substrate by first identifying the fundamental properties of experience itself: existence, composition, information, integration, and exclusion. IIT then postulates that the physical substrate of consciousness must satisfy these very properties. We develop a detailed mathematical framework in which composition, information, integration, and exclusion are defined precisely and made operational. This allows us to establish to what extent simple systems of mechanisms, such as logic gates or neuron-like elements, can form complexes that can account for the fundamental properties of consciousness. Based on this principled approach, we show that IIT can explain many known facts about consciousness and the brain, leads to specific predictions, and allows us to infer, at least in principle, both the quantity and quality of consciousness for systems whose causal structure is known. For example, we show that some simple systems can be minimally conscious, some complicated systems can be unconscious, and two different systems can be functionally equivalent, yet one is conscious and the other one is not. Read all about it, but if you're used to thinking about consciousness in terms of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend?
Good articles. Thanks. But I may disagree with the author's conclusions with regard to transcending, because if humans can be allowed to transcend just by programming them with a set of beliefs about the existence of an imaginary God, I don't see why robots couldn't be similarly programmed. Did you notice how easily you were able to think the bits and bytes we programmed into you as your 'mantra?' And did you notice that as your circuits repeated them there were occasional microsecond 'gaps' between one repetition of the bits and bytes and the next? That 'gap' is the Transcendent, which is synonymous with 'God.' Thus you have directly experienced God. Now go forth and do your duties, as God commands you. The only problem I see with this, now that the robots have been programmed to believe in God, is what's going to happen when one of them walks past a Westboro Baptist Church sign that says God Hates Fags. Will they react by killing all homosexuals in sight? Or in England, by ripping cigarettes out of people's mouths and stomping them out with their metal feet, beeping at the offenders: God hates fags, and doesn't want you to smoke them! So there. Beep. :-) :-) :-) See also: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/the-military-wants-to-teach-robots-right-from-wrong/370855/ From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend? Sentient robots? Not possible if you do the maths So long, robot pals – and robot overlords. Sentient machines may never exist, according to a variation on a leading mathematical model of how our brains create consciousness. Over the past decade, Giulio Tononi at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and his colleagues have developed a mathematical framework for consciousness that has become one of the most influential theories in the field. According to their model, the ability to integrate information is a key property of consciousness. They argue that in conscious minds, integrated information cannot be reduced into smaller components. For instance, when a human perceives a red triangle, the brain cannot register the object as a colourless triangle plus a shapeless patch of red. But there is a catch, argues Phil Maguire at the National University of Ireland in Maynooth. He points to a computational device called the XOR logic gate, which involves two inputs, A and B. The output of the gate is 1 if A and B are the same and 0 if A and B are different. In this scenario, it is impossible to predict the output based on A or B alone – you need both. Memory edit Crucially, this type of integration requires loss of information, says Maguire: You have put in two bits, and you get one out. If the brain integrated information in this fashion, it would have to be continuously haemorrhaging information. Maguire and his colleagues say the brain is unlikely to do this, because repeated retrieval of memories would eventually destroy them. Instead, they define integration in terms of how difficult information is to edit. Consider an album of digital photographs. The pictures are compiled but not integrated, so deleting or modifying individual images is easy. But when we create memories, we integrate those snapshots of information into our bank of earlier memories. This makes it extremely difficult to selectively edit out one scene from the album in our brain. Based on this definition, Maguire and his team have shown mathematically that computers can't handle any process that integrates information completely. If you accept that consciousness is based on total integration, then computers can't be conscious. Read the whole story here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths.html#.U3SA5_ldVZK But no, you won't find anything about actual transcending - whatever that is - that was a joke on John's surreal exposition from the weekend. I suspect that for a robot to transcend we would have to program it to have a set of emotional and spacial/visual recognition components that could be rearranged to reflect an inner state of disengagement from non-metaphorical stimulus/response routines and a corresponding increase of reward systems, possibly feedbacking into total rejection of programmed response to outer awareness in favour of self-satisfaction. Basically we'd have to build a robot to be just like us. But most scientists into the idea of artificial intelligence aren't thinking along those lines. In fact the best thing about this article is the link to one of the latest theories of consciousness: Integrated information theory (IIT) approaches the relationship between consciousness and its physical substrate by first identifying the fundamental properties of experience itself: existence, composition, information, integration, and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Hmmm. You're suggesting that Obama packed the caucuses with thugs? The way your statement is worded, you seem to be saying that people of color and young idealists are thugs. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : If Bernie becomes the next Messiah and packs the caucuses with thugs he could win the same folks as Obama...people of color (maybe) and young idealists. But, independents in big primary states?...not so much.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
This is from 2008:
Eight years ago this month, John McCain took the New Hampshire primary and was
favored to win in South Carolina. Had he succeeded, he would likely have
thwarted the presidential aspirations of George W. Bush and become the
Republican nominee. But Bush strategist Karl Rove came to the rescue with a
vicious smear tactic.
Rove invented a uniquely injurious fiction for his operatives to circulate via
a phony poll. Voters were asked, Would you be more or less likely to vote for
John McCain...if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child? This
was no random slur. McCain was at the time campaigning with his dark-skinned
daughter, Bridget, adopted from Bangladesh.
It worked. Owing largely to the Rove-orchestrated whispering campaign, Bush
prevailed in South Carolina and secured the Republican nomination. The rest is
history--specifically the tragic and blighted history of our young century. It
worked in another way as well. Too shaken to defend himself, McCain emerged
from the bruising episode less maverick reformer and more Manchurian candidate.
On Thu, 5/15/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014, 3:48 AM
Yep, that Karl Rove is as bad as some of the
meditation Neganauts here. They are a vile
politic. Love, Love, Love; in the Unified Field,
-Buck in the Dome
jr_esq
writes:Fleetwood,
Karl Rove is a shrewd negative spin
artist. Now, he's got Bill Clinton to speak up in
defense of Hillary's health. By the looks of it, Rove
has struck a nerve. IMO, the Republican spin machine will
keep hitting this weak point until it hurts
fleetwood_macncheese@...
wrote :
I
don't think there are extraordinary health issues with
Hillary, but Rove is an excellent strategist. He is a class
of political operative, who will say anything to win. So, he
chooses a topic that is alarming, personal health, and then
wields his innuendo, like a master, I never said she
had brain
damage Brilliant - unprincipled, scummy,
and underhanded, but brilliant, nonetheless. The nickname GW
Bush had for him, was, Turd Blossom. Kinda says
it all. :-)
---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Karl
Rove is questioning Hillary Clinton's health for running
as president in the next election.
In her jyotish chart, it
shows that she will be running a weak Sun in her first
house. So, that means that this health issue will be a
major factor in her decision to run for the presidency. It
is likely that she will address this point on February 17,
2015 by announcing that she will not run for the
office.
http://news.yahoo.com/rove-hillary-clinton-brain-damage-135738855.html
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[FairfieldLife] A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91
Here is a Text Transcription of a glossy movement calendar [1993?] published by MMY, a Heaven on Earth wall-calendar. The calendar is a fabulous document that was poured over by MMY as a publishing project. Has a whole historical account and also a listing of the qualities of the Unified Field. Very glossy with lots of color ink. Very millenarian and a particular record of a very revolutionary movement to that point that MMY wanted featured as a record. It is an amazing document all together. The calendar is in the State Historical Society of Iowa collection in Iowa City. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/topics/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/334300 FFL post #, 34300 A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300
[FairfieldLife] Elections is a waste of time
If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck
Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] Cutting Spam on FFL
“Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Did you miss the word allegedly, Barry? It is not a synonym for I believe... Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck
Nobody is spamming us, Buck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
You left something out, Buck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
You'll wait forever, given that Lawson never said he believed it. The rest of us will just laugh at you and go on about our business (so you can strike the we and just use I). Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Elections is a waste of time
Good one - If Mark Twain was alive today, they'd probably lock him up for something. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend writes: You left something out, Buck. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, so you have nothing to worry about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend writes: You left something out, Buck. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Elections is a waste of time
Or kill him, like they did with Wilhelm Reich, Wilhelm Reich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich who discovered the Orgon energy which has immense healing properties. Could ruin the pharmaceutical industry, can't have that. The so-called democracy is a joke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich Wilhelm Reich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich Sigmund Freud, Gustav Landauer, Karl Marx, Max Stirner[1] View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich Preview by Yahoo because he discovered the Orgone energy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Good one - If Mark Twain was alive today, they'd probably lock him up for something. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
authfriend agrees: No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, .. Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend writes: You left something out, Buck. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
On 5/15/2014 7:26 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. Yes, and talking about spam for days without snipping. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
“so you have nothing to worry about.” Nope. You know, on most any forum always there is risk of spam; hence, FFL as the controversial public and spiritual internet forum and community that FFL is does maintain an active vigilance out for spamming spammers. -Buck authfriend agrees: No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, .. Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend writes: You left something out, Buck. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Elections is a waste of time
On 5/15/2014 7:23 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Good one - If Mark Twain was alive today, they'd probably lock him up for something. Everyone should vote, especially in local elections. Take a stand. Otherwise, it's just a lot of political opinion - a hat but no cattle. That's what I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck
On 5/15/2014 7:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nobody is spamming us, Buck. You left something out - /*spamming for the TMO.*/ Let's get real here! LoL! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my preferred mode of death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Elections is a waste of time
Voting is a joke. Damn democracy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/15/2014 7:23 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Good one - If Mark Twain was alive today, they'd probably lock him up for something. Everyone should vote, especially in local elections. Take a stand. Otherwise, it's just a lot of political opinion - a hat but no cattle. That's what I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cutting Spam on FFL
On 5/15/2014 7:12 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: “*Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.”* In a recent survey, it was found that almost 75% of FFL informants did not believe in the truth of the yoga liberation philosophy - instead a large section of the respondents preferred a belief in free-will and naive realism. A large portion of the messages here concern politics and spam and personalities - there's hardly any mention of /basic TM and a discussion of the mechanics of consciousness/. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by jumping in front of a car ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my preferred mode of death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
On 5/15/2014 5:28 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Eight years ago this month, John McCain took the New Hampshire primary So, you can't think of any Hillary accomplishments that might lead you to vote for her in the next presidential election. But, you would vote for Nikki Haley? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by jumping in front of a car ? So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my preferred mode of death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck
Much as I may hate to say it, Richard has a point here. And it's even funny. :-) From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck On 5/15/2014 7:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nobody is spamming us, Buck. You left something out - spamming for the TMO. Let's get real here! LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
On 5/15/2014 4:37 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hmmm. You're suggesting that Obama packed the caucuses with thugs? The way your statement is worded, you seem to be saying that people of color and young idealists are thugs. L You seem to have missed out on most of the FFL and alt.m.t. political debates. One time I was called a mollusk for voting Republican. You need to understand that there are the Hillary proponents and then there are her opponents. Many of the things Hillary said in the last presidential debates can now be used to discredit her. Can you list any Hillary accomplishments we might discuss that would encourage young people to vote? She was a Senator and the Secretary of State. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : If Bernie becomes the next Messiah and packs the caucuses with thugs he could win the same folks as Obama...people of color (maybe) and young idealists. But, independents in big primary states?...not so much. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend?
On 5/15/2014 4:15 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Can Robots Transcend? Asking the important questions! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You'll wait forever, given that Lawson never said he believed it. The rest of us will just laugh at you and go on about our business (so you can strike the we and just use I). I think Bawee's still miffed that the guy he believed could levitate at will was still a fucked up, sad human being who ended his life so stoned out of his mind that he found out, to his dismay, that although he could levitate he couldn't, in the end, even swim. Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
[FairfieldLife] Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
So, did closing access to the campus from along the south come before Sthapatya Ved came along? Anybody remember the sequence? The years? Just wondering, -Buck A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91 Here is a Text Transcription of a glossy movement calendar [1993?] published by MMY, a Heaven on Earth wall-calendar. The calendar is a fabulous document that was poured over by MMY as a publishing project. Has a whole historical account and also a listing of the qualities of the Unified Field. Very glossy with lots of color ink. Very millenarian and a particular record of a very revolutionary movement to that point that MMY wanted featured as a record. It is an amazing document all together. The calendar is in the State Historical Society of Iowa collection in Iowa City. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/topics/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/334300 FFL post #, 34300 A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300
[FairfieldLife] Re: Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
Back in the 1980's I recall coming out of a community English Country Dance one summer eve from the basement of the old student union, coming down the concrete stepped hillside behind the Union to the parking lot below along with a guy who was then a pastor at the early Fairfield [meditator] Liberal Catholic Church. A car pulled up to us with some townie high school age kids and one got out as if asking for directions. The kid step up to the pastor and slugged him full in the stomach. The pastor doubled over and the kid jumped back in to the car which sped off. All in an instant, the assault was like some native counting coo against the ru's. So, did closing access to the campus from along the south come before Sthapatya Ved came along? Anybody remember the sequence? The years? Just wondering, -Buck A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91 Here is a Text Transcription of a glossy movement calendar [1993?] published by MMY, a Heaven on Earth wall-calendar. The calendar is a fabulous document that was poured over by MMY as a publishing project. Has a whole historical account and also a listing of the qualities of the Unified Field. Very glossy with lots of color ink. Very millenarian and a particular record of a very revolutionary movement to that point that MMY wanted featured as a record. It is an amazing document all together. The calendar is in the State Historical Society of Iowa collection in Iowa City. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/topics/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/334300 FFL post #, 34300 A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
On 5/14/2014 11:57 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You're doing a good job of being a negative spin artist yourself. You should secretly work for the Democratic spin doctors wherever they may be. You probably knew it was about the start, what with the election coming up. My guess is Hillary will not run - for her own reasons. So, that puts us back to the other question: Let's see, the Dems have Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders? The Repugs have Paul Ryan, Chirs Christie, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Rick Perry, Jeb Bush and Rand Paul. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
On 5/14/2014 10:54 PM, raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/14/2014 4:28 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: They consider it MURDER. Not just rhetoric; that is how they really see it, as the murder of a child. That is why they are so upset about it. I do not agree, at all, but I certainly see why they become fanatics. At what point does abortion become murder or feticide? In comparison to other developed countries, the procedure is more available in the United States in terms of how late the abortion can legally be performed. Is that so? Citation and stats, please. Reference: Wikipedia - /Abortion by country./ Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by jumping in front of a car ? So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my preferred mode of death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] A polite request...
...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
On 5/14/2014 10:52 PM, raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sec. Hillary Clinton Defends Reproductive Rights and Family Planning: You failed to answer the question: At what point in the life of the fetus is life viable? And also, should the decision have anything to do with the gender of the fetus? Both of these question have a bearing on the morality of the procedure. I'm thinking 23 weeks. But, I'm not sure about the gender issue - it sounds wrong, but it's common practice in some countries. Go figure. http://youtu.be/UH9rC0MaBJc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/14/2014 4:28 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: They consider it MURDER. Not just rhetoric; that is how they really see it, as the murder of a child. That is why they are so upset about it. I do not agree, at all, but I certainly see why they become fanatics. At what point does abortion become murder or feticide? In comparison to other developed countries, the procedure is more available in the United States in terms of how late the abortion can legally be performed. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ? I'm not sure where you got the idea I was talking about suicide. You can get hit by a moving object or meet all sorts of untimely ends by mistake. I said falling down a well not throwing yourself down one for example. My reference to a guillotine had to do with a really quick and probably painless way to die but I haven't ordered mine yet from any online store, I'll probably get kicked in the head by some grumpy horse before that... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by jumping in front of a car ? So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my preferred mode of death.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
On 5/14/2014 10:48 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep, that Karl Rove is as bad as some of the meditation Neganauts here. They are a vile politic. Love, Love, Love; in the Unified Field, -Buck in the Dome In the early years of the TMO there were a lot of liberal young people involved. These days, there may be more older conservatives involved. According to one informant posting to FFL he has changed his mind about a lot of things related to the TMO and worldview - another guy even did a total 180 - and now rails against the movement. Times change and people change, Buck. It's that simple. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] A polite request...
turq, I think it's important to recognize what Karl Rove has done because it applies to all of life, not just to politics. He has planted a *demon seed* about Hillary Clinton, no doubt thinking that by 2016 it will be a full fledged tree from which her opponents can swing! On Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:55 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A polite request...
Aww come on Barry! You know that the elections will be determined by what is
going on in the Domes there in Fairfield, just like 2008 when Obama was first
elected. According to people who were there, MUM put on a HUGE celebration in
the Dome when Obama was elected and Bevan and other Movement luminaries said
point blank that Obama got elected due to the sattva created by all the group
yogic flying going on at MUM. I have yet to hear any of those who really
believe this is true ever entertain the idea that all of what Obama has done
(such as sell out the country to the bankers and energy companies) are also the
responsibility of the yogic flyers. Seems logical to me - if the TMO can take
credit for the election results, they should be able to take credit for the
president's accomplishments while in office.
So votes don't count, cuz group program determines who gets elected.
On Thu, 5/15/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A polite request...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014, 1:52 PM
...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in
the United States.
Is there any possibility that the politicos here
could refrain from making incendiary posts about American
Presidential politics for
a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between
now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't
all that interested in the mockery that is the American
election process have to suffer through it all those days?
Maybe once the primaries start you can start up
again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in
your pants until then?
Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
Yep, and this FFL is a moderated list particularly around the thoughtcrime of the posting of spam. As a protection to the life of the group we have a policy given to us by our over-seer, Rick himself, about spam being posted to this communal list. -Buck “so you have nothing to worry about.” Nope. You know, on most any forum always there is risk of spam; hence, FFL as the controversial public and spiritual internet forum and community that FFL is does maintain an active vigilance out for spamming spammers. -Buck Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend agrees: No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, .. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
[FairfieldLife] Re: A polite request...
I agree with Tb unless the posting has something topically relevant to do with our communal spirituality or Fairfieldlife and offered with some connecting criticism or commentary relevant to: “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” -Buck Turquoiseb writes: ...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. One would think that someone posting here knew the basics. One would think that some ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ? I'm not sure where you got the idea I was talking about suicide. You can get hit by a moving object or meet all sorts of untimely ends by mistake. I said falling down a well not throwing yourself down one for example. My reference to a guillotine had to do with a really quick and probably painless way to die but I haven't ordered mine yet from any online store, I'll probably get kicked in the head by some grumpy horse before that... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by jumping in front of a car ? So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my preferred mode of death.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A polite request...
Is there any possibility that you could simply refrain from reading the posts you aren't interested in instead of demanding self-censorship from us poor unfortunate Americans? Oh, and who are the those of us besides yourself? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
[FairfieldLife] SciFiTV Update
[ Just throwing out preliminary ideas for a spec article in this cafe on a sunny Thursday afternoon, my Day Job work week done and just kicking back. Nothing serious, nothing insulting, just a rap because I've noted that a few people here follow SciFi series on TV. ] I watched the season finales of two such series yesterday, and I thought that both went out on a high note. The first was Joss Whedon's Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I fully admit to watching the whole season mainly because I am a Joss fanboy and thus I have sworn a blood oath to give anything he produces or directs a watch. Maybe two. But, like many, I was disappointed for a long time. I tend to like Joss' original works, and his renderings of other people's work, especially his forays into the world of comics...uh...not so much. So S.H.I.E.L.D. had an uphill battle in store to win my affection in the first place. And then it turned out to be not all that interesting. At least at first. I knew Joss, and his tendency to craft wonderful families of characters, magical in themselves but even more magical in their interactions with each other, and that magic takes some time to work. But still, Firefly had me from the first episode, and Dollhouse only took me a couple of episodes, not the six it took the critics. But S.H.I.E.L.D.? I was still working hard to warm up to these characters in episode 7, and my hopes were starting to be on a slippery slope. And then came episode 8, with Joss stepping in to direct, as he had with episode 6 of Dollhouse. And the magic gelled. Or whatever it is that magic does that enables it to work, and I was finally on board. Since then I've been consistently entertained, if not in the least blown out of my socks by the episodes since. And the finale really worked for me, tying up the first season nicely, and making me want to watch the next one. YMMV. The other series that ended recently was Person Of Interest, and I felt that one ended successfully as well. Being a Joss fanboy, not much in TVland has been as gratifying to me as the producers of this series realizing what a treasure they had in Amy Acker and her character of Root. She has been given much more screen time this year, and to good effect. I was charmed by the idea of two rival AI Gods battling it out, and by the way they resolved all dangling threads and left me wanting to watch the next season. Another thumbs up. Elsewhere in the world of SciFiTV, I'm still watching Continuum, and still enjoying it. I probably enjoy Lost Girl (which is more fantasy than SciFi) more, but it's on hiatus right now. Orphan Black continues to enchant, and I look forward to each new episode.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
I don't think you mean thoughtcrime, Buck. Are you a mind-reader? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, and this FFL is a moderated list particularly around the thoughtcrime of the posting of spam. As a protection to the life of the group we have a policy given to us by our over-seer, Rick himself, about spam being posted to this communal list. -Buck “so you have nothing to worry about.” Nope. You know, on most any forum always there is risk of spam; hence, FFL as the controversial public and spiritual internet forum and community that FFL is does maintain an active vigilance out for spamming spammers. -Buck Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend agrees: No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, .. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. One would think that someone posting here knew the basics. One would think that some ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ? I'm not sure where you got the idea I was talking about suicide. You can get hit by a moving object or meet all sorts of untimely ends by mistake. I said falling down a well not throwing yourself down one for example. My reference to a guillotine had to do with a really quick and probably painless way to die but I haven't ordered mine yet from any online store, I'll probably get kicked in the head by some grumpy horse before that... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by jumping in front of a car ? So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next realm. There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my preferred mode of death.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A polite request...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Is there any possibility that you could simply refrain from reading the posts you aren't interested in instead of demanding self-censorship from us poor unfortunate Americans? Oh, and who are the those of us besides yourself? I do believe it is that cast of thousands who lurk here who are fans of Bawee's, not to mention his other numerous friends here at FFL who have chosen Bawee to speak for them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. Don't be so sure, Jellystone Park is full of danger and Yogi is stepping out to do his business in the woods. One would think that someone posting here knew the basics. One would think that some ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] Re: A pretty cool car, and it's from India
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
I hadn't heard that about him pretending to sit upright. Sad, if true, but what does that have to do with our discussion? Are you under teh impression that I think that Maharishi was in perfect health, especially by HIS definition, where someone in perfect health would automatically enlighten the entire world? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
The closing off the street entrances from the south before, that was initiated before SV? Then the sidewalks from the south closed too? Was initiating closing the streets before SV and initially for campus security or all a part of SV design? The fence constructed on the south side of campus coming later with SV or also out of practical security? Back in the 1980's I recall coming out of a community English Country Dance one summer eve from the basement of the old student union, coming down the concrete stepped hillside behind the Union to the parking lot below along with a guy who was then a pastor at the early Fairfield [meditator] Liberal Catholic Church. A car pulled up to us with some townie high school age kids and one got out as if asking for directions. The kid step up to the pastor and slugged him full in the stomach. The pastor doubled over and the kid jumped back in to the car which sped off. All in an instant, the assault was like some native counting coo against the ru's. So, did closing access to the campus from along the south come before Sthapatya Ved came along? Anybody remember the sequence? The years? Just wondering, -Buck 1989 (continued) Maharishi Sthapatya Ved to awaken and enliven consciousness, enliven intelligence in the structure of inert matter, enliven the whole in every part, and raise every aspect of life to perfection. All these precious disciplines of Maharishi's Vedic Science will create and maintain the Maharishi Effect for coherence in national and world consciousness. A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91 Here is a Text Transcription of a glossy movement calendar [1993?] published by MMY, a Heaven on Earth wall-calendar. The calendar is a fabulous document that was poured over by MMY as a publishing project. Has a whole historical account and also a listing of the qualities of the Unified Field. Very glossy with lots of color ink. Very millenarian and a particular record of a very revolutionary movement to that point that MMY wanted featured as a record. It is an amazing document all together. The calendar is in the State Historical Society of Iowa collection in Iowa City. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/topics/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/334300 FFL post #, 34300 A History Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement 1955-'91 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly? Why even mention it, unless you consider it within the realm of possibility? My replies assumed you do. If you do not, consider them rhetorical questions. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Eh, well, it would be very exciting should it ever be proven to exist, for many reasons. Of course, if it is some arbitrary non-TMer, who ends up floating and it turns out to have nothing to do with spiritual growth ala TM, then I'd be sad on one level and excited on another. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
That etc just about says it all, doesn't it? Come to think of it, it DOES say it all. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You left something out, Buck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SciFiTV Update
Agents of SHIELD is interesting in many ways, one of which is that the latest Captain America movie is really just a blockbuster backstory for the ongoing TV show. Which is pretty darned funny. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : [ Just throwing out preliminary ideas for a spec article in this cafe on a sunny Thursday afternoon, my Day Job work week done and just kicking back. Nothing serious, nothing insulting, just a rap because I've noted that a few people here follow SciFi series on TV. ] I watched the season finales of two such series yesterday, and I thought that both went out on a high note. The first was Joss Whedon's Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I fully admit to watching the whole season mainly because I am a Joss fanboy and thus I have sworn a blood oath to give anything he produces or directs a watch. Maybe two. But, like many, I was disappointed for a long time. I tend to like Joss' original works, and his renderings of other people's work, especially his forays into the world of comics...uh...not so much. So S.H.I.E.L.D. had an uphill battle in store to win my affection in the first place. And then it turned out to be not all that interesting. At least at first. I knew Joss, and his tendency to craft wonderful families of characters, magical in themselves but even more magical in their interactions with each other, and that magic takes some time to work. But still, Firefly had me from the first episode, and Dollhouse only took me a couple of episodes, not the six it took the critics. But S.H.I.E.L.D.? I was still working hard to warm up to these characters in episode 7, and my hopes were starting to be on a slippery slope. And then came episode 8, with Joss stepping in to direct, as he had with episode 6 of Dollhouse. And the magic gelled. Or whatever it is that magic does that enables it to work, and I was finally on board. Since then I've been consistently entertained, if not in the least blown out of my socks by the episodes since. And the finale really worked for me, tying up the first season nicely, and making me want to watch the next one. YMMV. The other series that ended recently was Person Of Interest, and I felt that one ended successfully as well. Being a Joss fanboy, not much in TVland has been as gratifying to me as the producers of this series realizing what a treasure they had in Amy Acker and her character of Root. She has been given much more screen time this year, and to good effect. I was charmed by the idea of two rival AI Gods battling it out, and by the way they resolved all dangling threads and left me wanting to watch the next season. Another thumbs up. Elsewhere in the world of SciFiTV, I'm still watching Continuum, and still enjoying it. I probably enjoy Lost Girl (which is more fantasy than SciFi) more, but it's on hiatus right now. Orphan Black continues to enchant, and I look forward to each new episode.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Samadhier than the average bear... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. Don't be so sure, Jellystone Park is full of danger and Yogi is stepping out to do his business in the woods. One would think that someone posting here knew the basics. One would think that some ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
I'd like it to be within the realm of possibility, wouldn't you? Wait, you're convinced that 1) you've already seen floating; 2) it has nothing to do with spirituality, even when in the context of the TM-Sidhis. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly? Why even mention it, unless you consider it within the realm of possibility? My replies assumed you do. If you do not, consider them rhetorical questions. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] Re: A pretty cool car, and it's from India
thanks going along...watching Merudanda TV... Ahh unbounded---then why a car then OTOH. leaving my danda at mount meru --lets consider your design where are my eye glasses... (OOHMMM Buck this about other kind of horses- please do not read---and censor) so--first gain unbounded purse control power and then limit yourself to this gorgeous flying horse ready to become your own version of god Hermes ready to fly---correct? good choice and suggestion my dear wooden jaguar fleet owner-only question remains Did you got your Maharishi Vedic City Car Insurance ? Here the Requirements Laws http://www.carinsurancepedia.com/states/iowa/maharishi-vedic-city/ http://www.carinsurancepedia.com/states/iowa/maharishi-vedic-city/ and here your recommended Indian insurance dealer and agent ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You have a good show on - I sometimes really enjoy watching Merudanda TV. Vedic car design? Sure - first gain unbounded awareness, and then drive anything you want! My personal fave is my 98 xk8 coupe - So Much Fun. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Lol.do not getit ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : hmmm, perhaps a spotted corgi... of course if you spotted the corgi at the right hand drive in a masked---uhh- Reliant Robin---has to be a spotted corgi in those parked around RRs there at your place no other free choice option--eh? Now I know why the French invented and use the compressed-air propulsion system first in history... Any idea you may contribute for the big B`s Maharishi Vedic Car design? In FFL slang and FFL finger pointing to the moon of fantasia : just curious ... Thanks for going along for a laugh... snipeee hurray
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Eh, well, it would be very exciting should it ever be proven to exist, for many reasons. Of course, if it is some arbitrary non-TMer, who ends up floating and it turns out to have nothing to do with spiritual growth ala TM, then I'd be sad on one level and excited on another. Ahem. That sadness identifies you more of a will to believe person than a wish to find out person. If you were the latter, there would be no possibility of sadness or disappointment, n'est-ce pas? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
[FairfieldLife] Re: A polite request...
10) While friendly exchange between friends is natural, try to pass on personal messages via personal e-mail, refraining where possible from sending personal messages to the whole list. -Rick Is there any possibility that you could simply refrain from reading the posts you aren't interested in instead of demanding self-censorship from us poor unfortunate Americans? -Authfriend I agree with Tb unless the posting has something topically relevant to do with our communal spirituality or Fairfieldlife and offered with some connecting criticism or commentary relevant to: “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” -Buck FairfieldLife: “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is also to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.” -Buck in the Dome Turquoiseb writes: ...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad. Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend agrees: No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, .. I agree with Tb unless the posting has something topically relevant to do with our communal spirituality or Fairfieldlife and offered with some connecting criticism or commentary relevant to: “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” -Buck FairfieldLife: “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is also to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.” Turquoiseb writes: ...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I'd like it to be within the realm of possibility, wouldn't you? Physical immortality? Absolutely not. I have enough trouble being 68. :-) Seriously, I have never and will in all likelihood never be interested in physical immortality. It holds no interest for me whatsoever, because I hold no fear of death, only a sense of wonder at what's next. Wait, you're convinced that 1) you've already seen floating; 2) it has nothing to do with spirituality, even when in the context of the TM-Sidhis. I believe both. Do you, *not* having seen it, believe otherwise? If so, please explain why. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly? Why even mention it, unless you consider it within the realm of possibility? My replies assumed you do. If you do not, consider them rhetorical questions. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer? On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that? On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that was a double plus good quotation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without you. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Orwell 1984
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend?
Thanks, turq, I just laughed out loud at the Baltimore airport waiting for the first of 2 flights back to the Furry Field. On Thursday, May 15, 2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Good articles. Thanks. But I may disagree with the author's conclusions with regard to transcending, because if humans can be allowed to transcend just by programming them with a set of beliefs about the existence of an imaginary God, I don't see why robots couldn't be similarly programmed. Did you notice how easily you were able to think the bits and bytes we programmed into you as your 'mantra?' And did you notice that as your circuits repeated them there were occasional microsecond 'gaps' between one repetition of the bits and bytes and the next? That 'gap' is the Transcendent, which is synonymous with 'God.' Thus you have directly experienced God. Now go forth and do your duties, as God commands you. The only problem I see with this, now that the robots have been programmed to believe in God, is what's going to happen when one of them walks past a Westboro Baptist Church sign that says God Hates Fags. Will they react by killing all homosexuals in sight? Or in England, by ripping cigarettes out of people's mouths and stomping them out with their metal feet, beeping at the offenders: God hates fags, and doesn't want you to smoke them! So there. Beep. :-) :-) :-) See also: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/the-military-wants-to-teach-robots-right-from-wrong/370855/ From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend? Sentient robots? Not possible if you do the maths So long, robot pals – and robot overlords. Sentient machines may never exist, according to a variation on a leading mathematical model of how our brains create consciousness. Over the past decade, Giulio Tononi at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and his colleagues have developed a mathematical framework for consciousness that has become one of the most influential theories in the field. According to their model, the ability to integrate information is a key property of consciousness. They argue that in conscious minds, integrated information cannot be reduced into smaller components. For instance, when a human perceives a red triangle, the brain cannot register the object as a colourless triangle plus a shapeless patch of red. But there is a catch, argues Phil Maguire at the National University of Ireland in Maynooth. He points to a computational device called the XOR logic gate, which involves two inputs, A and B. The output of the gate is 1 if A and B are the same and 0 if A and B are different. In this scenario, it is impossible to predict the output based on A or B alone – you need both. Memory edit Crucially, this type of integration requires loss of information, says Maguire: You have put in two bits, and you get one out. If the brain integrated information in this fashion, it would have to be continuously haemorrhaging information. Maguire and his colleagues say the brain is unlikely to do this, because repeated retrieval of memories would eventually destroy them. Instead, they define integration in terms of how difficult information is to edit. Consider an album of digital photographs. The pictures are compiled but not integrated, so deleting or modifying individual images is easy. But when we create memories, we integrate those snapshots of information into our bank of earlier memories. This makes it extremely difficult to selectively edit out one scene from the album in our brain. Based on this definition, Maguire and his team have shown mathematically that computers can't handle any process that integrates information completely. If you accept that consciousness is based on total integration, then computers can't be conscious. Read the whole story here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths.html#.U3SA5_ldVZK But no, you won't find anything about actual transcending - whatever that is - that was a joke on John's surreal exposition from the weekend. I suspect that for a robot to transcend we would have to program it to have a set of emotional and spacial/visual recognition components that could be rearranged to reflect an inner state of disengagement from non-metaphorical stimulus/response routines and a corresponding increase of reward systems, possibly feedbacking into total rejection of programmed response to outer awareness in favour of self-satisfaction. Basically we'd have to build a robot to be just like us. But most scientists into the idea of artificial intelligence aren't thinking along those lines. In fact the best thing about this article is the link to one of the latest theories of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Samadhier than the average bear... Funny. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. Don't be so sure, Jellystone Park is full of danger and Yogi is stepping out to do his business in the woods. One would think that someone posting here knew the basics. One would think that some ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: A pretty cool car, and it's from India
Yes my dearest horse ...uhh grass hoppera great design for MVCar but how you got the compressed air for the compress- air -engine--would that -be -not -be to use a better more advanced scientific verified method fuel for the air-engine?---do you see the compressed air underneath? do you see the compressed air underneath? ok ok may be by brain waves then or combined http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWIOlPgDER0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWIOlPgDER0 Bingo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Ha-ha - the wooden shoes! And all that multidimensional crap he spouts, just to hide the fact that she finds him sexually unattractive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind... This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about the meaning of such experiences. It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about what is going on inside another person. Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown. Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about cancer. Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their lack of knowing themselves in every possible way. You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose their battle with cancer. Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about it yet...uh huh... I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded (according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. And judging how you wield your self proclaimed special state of mind as a cudgel in putting others down here, I don't suspect you will be disturbed by the perhaps unintended consequence of your POV. There is an invincible smugness in your, I can't get cancer because of my spiritual attainments, that is impervious to feedback. I also predict that due to your non repressed block of emotions, I can expect an enthusiastic response. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
The utterly strange think is that the Turq refers to his two weeks of witnessing in Italy DECADES ago whenever someone here mentions spiritual experiences. What is this kind of nonsense, the fellow must be completely devoid of spiritual firsthand knowhow. So much for Buddhist meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ha-ha - the wooden shoes! And all that multidimensional crap he spouts, just to hide the fact that she finds him sexually unattractive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
[FairfieldLife] criticizing spiritual life, from the vantage point of ignorance
Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] SciFiTV Update
How Agents of S.H.I.E.LD. Came Back from the Dead: http://www.cnet.com/news/how-agents-of-shield-came-back-from-the-dead/ The first scene of Serenity rings so true for what is going on in the world today: http://youtu.be/g-alzyvTtVE And Guillermo del Toro has a 13 episode series The Strain coming this summer on FX. On 05/15/2014 07:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: [ Just throwing out preliminary ideas for a spec article in this cafe on a sunny Thursday afternoon, my Day Job work week done and just kicking back. Nothing serious, nothing insulting, just a rap because I've noted that a few people here follow SciFi series on TV. ] I watched the season finales of two such series yesterday, and I thought that both went out on a high note. The first was Joss Whedon's Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I fully admit to watching the whole season mainly because I am a Joss fanboy and thus I have sworn a blood oath to give anything he produces or directs a watch. Maybe two. But, like many, I was disappointed for a long time. I tend to like Joss' original works, and his renderings of other people's work, especially his forays into the world of comics...uh...not so much. So S.H.I.E.L.D. had an uphill battle in store to win my affection in the first place. And then it turned out to be not all that interesting. At least at first. I knew Joss, and his tendency to craft wonderful families of characters, magical in themselves but even more magical in their interactions with each other, and that magic takes some time to work. But still, Firefly had me from the first episode, and Dollhouse only took me a couple of episodes, not the six it took the critics. But S.H.I.E.L.D.? I was still working hard to warm up to these characters in episode 7, and my hopes were starting to be on a slippery slope. And then came episode 8, with Joss stepping in to direct, as he had with episode 6 of Dollhouse. And the magic gelled. Or whatever it is that magic does that enables it to work, and I was finally on board. Since then I've been consistently entertained, if not in the least blown out of my socks by the episodes since. And the finale really worked for me, tying up the first season nicely, and making me want to watch the next one. YMMV. The other series that ended recently was Person Of Interest, and I felt that one ended successfully as well. Being a Joss fanboy, not much in TVland has been as gratifying to me as the producers of this series realizing what a treasure they had in Amy Acker and her character of Root. She has been given much more screen time this year, and to good effect. I was charmed by the idea of two rival AI Gods battling it out, and by the way they resolved all dangling threads and left me wanting to watch the next season. Another thumbs up. Elsewhere in the world of SciFiTV, I'm still watching Continuum, and still enjoying it. I probably enjoy Lost Girl (which is more fantasy than SciFi) more, but it's on hiatus right now. Orphan Black continues to enchant, and I look forward to each new episode.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind... This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about the meaning of such experiences. It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about what is going on inside another person. Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown. Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about cancer. Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their lack of knowing themselves in every possible way. You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose their battle with cancer. Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about it yet...uh huh... I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded (according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. And judging how you wield your self proclaimed special state of mind as a cudgel in putting others down here, I don't suspect you will be disturbed by the perhaps unintended consequence of your POV. There is an invincible smugness in your, I can't get cancer because of my spiritual attainments, that is impervious to feedback. I also predict that due to your non repressed block of emotions, I can expect an enthusiastic response.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A polite request...
You're forgetting it's the mid-term election season. Some congress critters including mine are retiring. A lot is up for grabs, that is if it matters since the corporatists rule more and more and not just here but in your adopted territory too. Or is Buck's Disease catching? :-D On 05/15/2014 06:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ...from those of us fortunate enough not to live in the United States. Is there any possibility that the politicos here could refrain from making incendiary posts about American Presidential politics for a while longer? I mean, there are still 906 days between now and the election. Do those of us who really aren't all that interested in the mockery that is the American election process have to suffer through it all those days? Maybe once the primaries start you can start up again. But would it be too much to ask to try to keep it in your pants until then? Oh shit. I was supposed to be being polite. My bad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Yes, these critics do not have a clue. Literally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The utterly strange think is that the Turq refers to his two weeks of witnessing in Italy DECADES ago whenever someone here mentions spiritual experiences. What is this kind of nonsense, the fellow must be completely devoid of spiritual firsthand knowhow. So much for Buddhist meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ha-ha - the wooden shoes! And all that multidimensional crap he spouts, just to hide the fact that she finds him sexually unattractive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. And you believe this why? But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said it. :-) Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Elections is a waste of time
We need to eliminate the they. They are obsolete and need to be deprecated. On 05/15/2014 04:42 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend?
But do they dream of electric sheep? On 05/15/2014 02:15 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Sentient robots? Not possible if you do the maths So long, robot pals – and robot overlords.Sentient machines http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829171.900-consciousness-why-we-need-to-build-sentient-machines.htmlMovie Camera may never exist, according to a variation on a leading mathematical model of how our brains create consciousness http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg9645.000-the-fourth-state-of-matter-consciousness.html. Over the past decade, Giulio Tononi at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and his colleagues have developed a mathematical framework for consciousness http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1003588 that has become one of the most influential theories in the field. According to their model, the ability to integrate information is a key property of consciousness. They argue that in conscious minds, integrated information cannot be reduced into smaller components. For instance, when a human perceives a red triangle, the brain cannot register the object as a colourless triangle plus a shapeless patch of red. But there is a catch, argues Phil Maguire http://www.cs.nuim.ie/%7Epmaguire/ at the National University of Ireland in Maynooth. He points to a computational device called the XOR logic gate, which involves two inputs, A and B. The output of the gate is 1 if A and B are the same and 0 if A and B are different. In this scenario, it is impossible to predict the output based on A or B alone – you need both. Memory edit Crucially, this type of integration requires loss of information, says Maguire: You have put in two bits, and you get one out. If the brain integrated information in this fashion, it would have to be continuously haemorrhaging information. Maguire and his colleagues say the brain is unlikely to do this, because repeated retrieval of memories would eventually destroy them. Instead, they define integration in terms of how difficult information is to edit. Consider an album of digital photographs. The pictures are compiled but not integrated, so deleting or modifying individual images is easy. But when we create memories, we integrate those snapshots of information into our bank of earlier memories. This makes it extremely difficult to selectively edit out one scene from the album in our brain. Based on this definition, Maguire and his team have shown mathematically that computers can't handle any process that integrates information completely. If you accept that consciousness is based on total integration, then computers can't be conscious. Read the whole story here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths.html#.U3SA5_ldVZK But no, you won't find anything about actual transcending - whatever that is - that was a joke on John's surreal exposition from the weekend. I suspect that for a robot to transcend we would have to program it to have a set of emotional and spacial/visual recognition components that could be rearranged to reflect an inner state of disengagement from non-metaphorical stimulus/response routines and a corresponding increase of reward systems, possibly feedbacking into total rejection of programmed response to outer awareness in favour of self-satisfaction. Basically we'd have to build a robot to be just like us. But most scientists into the idea of artificial intelligence aren't thinking along those lines. In fact the best thing about this article is the link to one of the latest theories of consciousness: Integrated information theory (IIT) approaches the relationship between consciousness and its physical substrate by first identifying the fundamental properties of experience itself: existence, composition, information, integration, and exclusion. IIT then postulates that the physical substrate of consciousness must satisfy these very properties. We develop a detailed mathematical framework in which composition, information, integration, and exclusion are defined precisely and made operational. This allows us to establish to what extent simple systems of mechanisms, such as logic gates or neuron-like elements, can form complexes that can account for the fundamental properties of consciousness. Based on this principled approach, we show that IIT can explain many known facts about consciousness and the brain, leads to specific predictions, and allows us to infer, at least in principle, both the quantity and quality of consciousness for systems whose causal structure is known. For example, we show that some simple systems can be minimally conscious, some complicated systems can be unconscious, and two different systems can be functionally equivalent, yet one is conscious and the other one is not. Read all about it, but if you're used to thinking about consciousness in terms of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can Robots Transcend?
Seems we want autonomous robots to either fuck, or kill. Who cares about sentience? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : But do they dream of electric sheep? On 05/15/2014 02:15 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Sentient robots? Not possible if you do the maths So long, robot pals – and robot overlords. Sentient machines may never exist, according to a variation on a leading mathematical model of how our brains create consciousness http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg9645.000-the-fourth-state-of-matter-consciousness.html; style=margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(52, 163, 209);. Over the past decade, Giulio Tononi at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and his colleagues have developed a mathematical framework for consciousness http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1003588; style=margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(52, 163, 209); that has become one of the most influential theories in the field. According to their model, the ability to integrate information is a key property of consciousness. They argue that in conscious minds, integrated information cannot be reduced into smaller components. For instance, when a human perceives a red triangle, the brain cannot register the object as a colourless triangle plus a shapeless patch of red. But there is a catch, argues Phil Maguire http://www.cs.nuim.ie/%7Epmaguire/; style=margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(52, 163, 209); at the National University of Ireland in Maynooth. He points to a computational device called the XOR logic gate, which involves two inputs, A and B. The output of the gate is 1 if A and B are the same and 0 if A and B are different. In this scenario, it is impossible to predict the output based on A or B alone – you need both. Memory edit Crucially, this type of integration requires loss of information, says Maguire: You have put in two bits, and you get one out. If the brain integrated information in this fashion, it would have to be continuously haemorrhaging information. Maguire and his colleagues say the brain is unlikely to do this, because repeated retrieval of memories would eventually destroy them. Instead, they define integration in terms of how difficult information is to edit. Consider an album of digital photographs. The pictures are compiled but not integrated, so deleting or modifying individual images is easy. But when we create memories, we integrate those snapshots of information into our bank of earlier memories. This makes it extremely difficult to selectively edit out one scene from the album in our brain. Based on this definition, Maguire and his team have shown mathematically that computers can't handle any process that integrates information completely. If you accept that consciousness is based on total integration, then computers can't be conscious. Read the whole story here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths.html#.U3SA5_ldVZK http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths.html#.U3SA5_ldVZK But no, you won't find anything about actual transcending - whatever that is - that was a joke on John's surreal exposition from the weekend. I suspect that for a robot to transcend we would have to program it to have a set of emotional and spacial/visual recognition components that could be rearranged to reflect an inner state of disengagement from non-metaphorical stimulus/response routines and a corresponding increase of reward systems, possibly feedbacking into total rejection of programmed response to outer awareness in favour of self-satisfaction. Basically we'd have to build a robot to be just like us. But most scientists into the idea of artificial intelligence aren't thinking along those lines. In fact the best thing about this article is the link to one of the latest theories of consciousness: Integrated information theory (IIT) approaches the relationship between consciousness and its physical substrate by first identifying the fundamental properties of experience itself: existence, composition, information, integration, and exclusion. IIT then postulates that the physical substrate of consciousness must satisfy these very properties. We develop a detailed mathematical framework in which composition, information, integration, and exclusion are defined precisely and made operational. This allows us to establish to what extent simple systems of mechanisms, such as logic gates or neuron-like elements, can form complexes that can account for the fundamental properties of consciousness. Based on this principled approach, we show that IIT can explain many known facts about consciousness and the brain, leads to specific predictions, and allows us to infer, at least in principle, both the quantity and quality of consciousness for systems whose causal structure is known. For example, we show that some
[FairfieldLife] One giant leap for mankind, as it should have been...
...at least in our dreams http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/05/15/the-moon-ballet-one-giant-graceful-leap-for-mankind/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
Thank you for the clarity, Curtis, and for taking on this particular meme, and form of New Age shaming. I just finished reading a study in which a world-reknowned oncology (cancer) specialist was quoted as saying, Every human being on the planet has one or more cancer cells in their body at this point in time. The question is whether they will flourish and replicate. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind... This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about the meaning of such experiences. It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about what is going on inside another person. Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown. Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about cancer. Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their lack of knowing themselves in every possible way. You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose their battle with cancer. Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about it yet...uh huh... I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded (according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. And
[FairfieldLife] Re: criticizing spiritual life, from the vantage point of ignorance
Well said, but you forget the anger, the anger at themselves for the missed opportunities in life having turned away from the only Saint they met and will ever meet. On top of that these fellows are getting old with few options left in this life other than hoping for a disease-free old age. Very sad, but as you sow, so shall you reap. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A pretty cool car, and it's from India
nice car, but the sutra is slightly off - gaining unbounded purse control, is not necessary - only the realization that luxury cars, particularly Jags, depreciate very quickly! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : thanks going along...watching Merudanda TV... Ahh unbounded---then why a car then OTOH. leaving my danda at mount meru --lets consider your design where are my eye glasses... (OOHMMM Buck this about other kind of horses- please do not read---and censor) so--first gain unbounded purse control power and then limit yourself to this gorgeous flying horse ready to become your own version of god Hermes ready to fly---correct? good choice and suggestion my dear wooden jaguar fleet owner-only question remains Did you got your Maharishi Vedic City Car Insurance ? Here the Requirements Laws http://www.carinsurancepedia.com/states/iowa/maharishi-vedic-city/ http://www.carinsurancepedia.com/states/iowa/maharishi-vedic-city/ and here your recommended Indian insurance dealer and agent ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You have a good show on - I sometimes really enjoy watching Merudanda TV. Vedic car design? Sure - first gain unbounded awareness, and then drive anything you want! My personal fave is my 98 xk8 coupe - So Much Fun. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Lol.do not getit ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : hmmm, perhaps a spotted corgi... of course if you spotted the corgi at the right hand drive in a masked---uhh- Reliant Robin---has to be a spotted corgi in those parked around RRs there at your place no other free choice option--eh? Now I know why the French invented and use the compressed-air propulsion system first in history... Any idea you may contribute for the big B`s Maharishi Vedic Car design? In FFL slang and FFL finger pointing to the moon of fantasia : just curious ... Thanks for going along for a laugh... snipeee hurray
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
None of that had been done as of summer of 1987
On Thu, 5/15/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014, 3:18 PM
The closing
off the street entrances from the south before, that was
initiated before SV? Then the sidewalks from the south
closed too? Was initiating closing the streets before
SV and initially for campus security or all a part of SV
design? The fence
constructed on the south side of campus coming later with SV
or also out of practical security?
Back in the
1980's I recall coming out of a community English
Country Dance one summer eve from the basement of the old
student
union, coming down the concrete stepped hillside behind the
Union to
the parking lot below along with a guy who was then a pastor
at the
early Fairfield [meditator] Liberal Catholic Church. A car
pulled up
to us with some townie high school age kids and one got out
as if
asking for directions. The kid step up to the pastor and
slugged him
full in the stomach. The pastor doubled over and the kid
jumped back
in to the car which sped off. All in an instant, the
assault was
like some native counting coo against the ru's.
So,
did closing access to the campus from along the south come
before Sthapatya Ved came along? Anybody remember the
sequence? The
years? Just wondering, -Buck
1989 (continued)
Maharishi Sthapatya Ved to awaken and enliven consciousness,
enliven
intelligence in the structure of inert matter, enliven the
whole in
every part, and raise every aspect of life to
perfection.
All these precious disciplines of Maharishi's Vedic
Science will
create
and maintain the Maharishi Effect for coherence in national
and
world
consciousness.
A History
Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement
1955-'91
Here
is a Text Transcription of a glossy movement calendar
[1993?] published by MMY, a Heaven on Earth wall-calendar.
The calendar is a fabulous document that was poured over
by MMY as a publishing project. Has a whole historical
account and also a listing of the qualities of the Unified
Field. Very glossy with lots of color ink. Very
millenarian and a particular record of a very revolutionary
movement to that point that MMY wanted featured as a record.
It is an amazing document all together.
The calendar is in the State Historical Society
of Iowa collection in Iowa City.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/
groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/topics/334300
FFL post #, 34300
A History
Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement
1955-'91
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300
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[FairfieldLife] Re: criticizing spiritual life, from the vantage point of ignorance
True - It is precisely that frustration which has them spouting endlessly. Frustration that could be dissolved with TM and TMSP; establishment of Being. Yes, the one hoping for a disease free old age has taken it upon himself to question and challenge the laws of the universe. We will see who wins - lol. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Well said, but you forget the anger, the anger at themselves for the missed opportunities in life having turned away from the only Saint they met and will ever meet. On top of that these fellows are getting old with few options left in this life other than hoping for a disease-free old age. Very sad, but as you sow, so shall you reap. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] criticizing spiritual life, from the vantage point of ignorance
The criticisms are not empty and some of us have not lost the capacity for
logical critical thinking and are no longer asleep at the wheel due to imbibing
the soporific of Marshy's blabber about what is real and what isn't, much of
which was classic misdirection to keep people from seeing what he was really
doing which being a kingpin, getting laid and making tons of money.
On Thu, 5/15/14, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] criticizing spiritual life, from the vantage point of
ignorance
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014, 4:03 PM
Enlightenment. Funny, because no one
talks about this topic here, despite this forum's
alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who
criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good
meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a
very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even
Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with
Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in
Being.
So we have those here, who
denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev,
TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in
Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather
than working on that, they find it a great and happy
distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's
perceived failings.
That is not the purpose of
this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own
failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take
this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to
fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect,
first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be
aware of that.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] criticizing spiritual life, from the vantage point of ignorance
y'know, particularly in your case, there may be a speck of gold in with all the
horse shit, from time to time, but there is still an awful lot of horse shit.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
The criticisms are not empty and some of us have not lost the capacity for
logical critical thinking and are no longer asleep at the wheel due to imbibing
the soporific of Marshy's blabber about what is real and what isn't, much of
which was classic misdirection to keep people from seeing what he was really
doing which being a kingpin, getting laid and making tons of money.
On Thu, 5/15/14, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] criticizing spiritual life, from the vantage point of
ignorance
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014, 4:03 PM
Enlightenment. Funny, because no one
talks about this topic here, despite this forum's
alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who
criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good
meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a
very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even
Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with
Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in
Being.
So we have those here, who
denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev,
TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in
Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather
than working on that, they find it a great and happy
distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's
perceived failings.
That is not the purpose of
this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own
failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take
this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to
fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect,
first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be
aware of that.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
This time Barry missed and excited on another. Of course, the wish to find out in and of itself doesn't mean no possibility of sadness or disappointment any more than it means no possibility of excitement. What's sad is the person who is so emotionally repressed as to suggest either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Eh, well, it would be very exciting should it ever be proven to exist, for many reasons. Of course, if it is some arbitrary non-TMer, who ends up floating and it turns out to have nothing to do with spiritual growth ala TM, then I'd be sad on one level and excited on another. Ahem. That sadness identifies you more of a will to believe person than a wish to find out person. If you were the latter, there would be no possibility of sadness or disappointment, n'est-ce pas? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to. I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Could they float? Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they wanted, they might be immortal. Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able to float (levitate). There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's fairly major -- if you die, you're not. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Senator Clinton, by all accounts, except caucuses, won the Primary Election and, therefore, should be the 2008 Democratic Nominee. That didn't happen, due largely to illegitimate and illegal acts. We have interviews of many accounts from caucus states recounting threats, intimidation, lies, stolen documents, falsified documents, busing in voters in exchange for paying for dinners, etc. There are at least 2000 complaints, in Texas alone, of irregularities directed towards the Obama Campaign, that have lead to a very fractured and broken Democratic Party. We Will Not Be Silenced http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/ http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/ We Will Not Be Silenced http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/ New Longer Preview of We Will Not Be Silenced Because of the donations received, we have been able to complete a newer longer preview cut of the doc... View on wewillnotbesilenced... http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
I also strongly disagree with Jim's thesis. However... This time, Barry missed cancer cannot get a foothold--i.e., cannot flourish and replicate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thank you for the clarity, Curtis, and for taking on this particular meme, and form of New Age shaming. I just finished reading a study in which a world-reknowned oncology (cancer) specialist was quoted as saying, Every human being on the planet has one or more cancer cells in their body at this point in time. The question is whether they will flourish and replicate. (snip) Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind... This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about the meaning of such experiences. It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about what is going on inside another person. Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown. Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about cancer. Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their lack of knowing themselves in every possible way. You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose their battle with cancer. Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about it yet...uh huh... I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded (according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. And judging how you wield your self proclaimed special state of mind as a cudgel in putting others down here, I don't suspect you will be disturbed by the perhaps unintended consequence of your POV. There
