[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits of Iowa
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : ..but we simply have not been able to replace the unprecedented generosity of the Settle Foundation. Support of nature seems to be coming in the form of much farting in our general direction. Our only option at this point is to change our strategy for creating an Invincible America. Because nothing says, We're in charge now like scuttling the last 50 years of The World Plan. ..we will be able to keep the Vedic qualities alive in our community with a smaller, more permanent group of Vedic Pandits who consider Maharishi Vedic City their home. Some may have outstanding warrants in India, but we favor the positive and don't ask. The Pandit numbers will continue to decrease over the next year until we reach a size that we are able to practically sustain. Right now, it looks like we can keep Suresh as Lawnmower Boy. We are so grateful to all our cherished donors, who have been supporting the Vedic Pandits these past nine years. We could not have achieved any of this without you. And yes, most of your money still is unspent and hidden in bank accounts across six continents in Girish's name, so you know it's still there if the movement ever really really really gets smaller. -email ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Oprah Winfrey visited Vedic City to see the meditations and chants performed by the pandits. Based on this video, it appeared that the pandits were isolated from the rest of the town residents. Does anyone know if the pandits can go to downtown Fairfield to watch a movie and have dinner on weekends? Can they associate with MUM students? srijau: they can audit courses at MUM now, but nothing that would qualify them to do anything other than their traditional occupation. Otherwise, the answers would be no and no. Thats not what they signed up for. same deal as TTC or even a residence course.
[FairfieldLife] Covarying for a diet factor?
The effects of the transcendental meditation and TM-Sidhi program on the aging process. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6763007 The effects of the transcendental meditation and TM-Sidhi program on the aging process. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6763007 1. Int J Neurosci. 1982 Feb;16(1):53-8. The effects of the transcendental meditation and TM-Sidhi program on the aging process. Wallace RK, Dillbeck M, Jacobe E, Harrington B. View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6763007 Preview by Yahoo Abstract To evaluate the effects of the Transcendental Meditation (TM) and TM-Sidhi program on the aging process, a standardized test of biological aging, utilizing auditory threshold, near point vision, and systolic blood pressure, was given to a cross-sectional group (N = 84) with a mean age of 53 years. There were 11 controls, 33 short-term TM and TM-Sidhi participants, and 40 long-term participants. The mean biological age of the controls was 2.2 years younger than for the general population; of the short-term TM subjects, 5.0 years younger; of the long-term TM subjects, 12.0 years younger. The difference between the groups was significant covarying for a diet factor. Also, there was a significant correlation between length of time practicing the TM program and biological age (r = -0.46). Together with numerous physiological and psychological studies conducted on the TM and TM-Sidhi program, this study suggests that the TM program may affect certain neural mechanisms which in turn influence age correlated physiological variables. --- What does covarying for a diet factor mean?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits of Iowa
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : ..but we simply have not been able to replace the unprecedented generosity of the Settle Foundation. Our only option at this point is to change our strategy for creating an Invincible America. ..we will be able to keep the Vedic qualities alive in our community with a smaller, more permanent group of Vedic Pandits who consider Maharishi Vedic City their home. The Pandit numbers will continue to decrease over the next year until we reach a size that we are able to practically sustain. We are so grateful to all our cherished donors, who have been supporting the Vedic Pandits these past nine years. We could not have achieved any of this without you. -email I'm actually grateful that this experiment is coming to an end. It must be clear that the yagya process doesn't work, or the Maharishi Effect either, from the simple fact that Nature hasn't supported you. There is no world peace and even dome numbers are down. In fact, we could say that all the opposite things are happening than what was predicted. I never complain just for the sake of it. If a bunch of adults want to get together and believe this dream and try to forge a utopian life based on your beliefs I'm happy for you. I will cheer you on in fact. What I protest about is involving poor people's from abroad. Sure they get a few dollars to take home but you can't escape the fact that they've been living in a fenced off compound in the middle of Iowa for years and doing nothing but bloody singing so a bunch of self-satisfied dreamers can pretend they are living some sort of vedic ideal by having a group of experts communicate with the gods on their behalf. Just like they do in India. If the prayers are so important, why not have American kids trained in the veda's? Because that would involve interfering with their school work and would impact their career chances. Ghee thrower is quite possibly an indelible CV stain in the civilised world. But here's the thing; in keeping them here you are doing the same thing to them! Just think what they could do if they got your sponsorship money and went to university? Sure, India is a poor country and they are probably glad of the chance for a free bowl of rice, but surely we could do better than help perpetuate their backwards caste system and failed religious beliefs? But well done, you've set them free. I have always applauded the TMO for conducting experiments, this is how science works - someone has an idea and sets up a test to prove it, but leaves it falsifiable so we can tell if the theory is in error or not. This experiment has failed, which brings us on to the next important part of science; admitting it failed and trying something else. But don't gasp at the temerity of me suggesting it's a load of nonsense, you've already started the reformation by admitting that TM isn't a solution to poor mental health and then setting up a committee to improve things. Sure, you're still hamstrung by a need to fit the vedic principles in there somehow but once you've realised that doesn't work either you will have to ask new questions, and it's that process of open minded inquiry that will finally lead to you to question every aspect of Marshy's teaching. Because, as you know, it's all connected via his idea of the unified field. It'll be a good thing to finally sort the wheat for the chaff and see what works and what was lies or delusional or just plain wishful thinking You will get to the promised land of a properly science based outlook and social strategy, or you will stop out of fear of moving away from those comfortable, group defining beliefs and then stagnate, finally becoming a forgotten backwater of world religious movements. A monument to idealism. Experimenting, criticising, clearing the deadwood and coming up with new ideas and then starting the process again will set you straight. In fact it will probably mean you just join the rest of society but with the few good bits that stood up to inquiry to help you. The hardest bit is ditching beliefs that are outdated but are the ones that brought you together in the first place, you will need to find a new reason to stay there together. That shouldn't be too hard considering how well meditators on FFL get along with each other. But if you can admit that the pundit programme and the attendant beliefs in yagya and group coherence creating have failed, you will have made a profound and genuinely scientific start. I'm rooting for you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Oprah Winfrey visited Vedic City to see the meditations and chants performed by the pandits. Based on this video, it appeared that the pandits were isolated from the rest of the town residents. Does anyone know if the pandits can go to downtown Fairfield to watch a movie and have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Starry Night..
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Get a boat down the river to Greenwich, have lunch in the park- preferably something purchased in the market - and then stroll up the hill to the Royal Greenwich Observatory: Whenever I have friends visiting from Up North or from abroad that itinerary is what I always suggest when the sun shines. I must be an authority on the Observatory display by now. But it's the plain marker that shows the Greenwich Mean Time boundary line that always brings on the selfie mania. Funny how something completely notional and conventional can strike a chord with people. Yes, the Greenwich Meridian, one of the great British inventions. I've got a few pics of it myself, no selfies though as my camera is a bit heavy for one of those funny sticks. Greenwich has many joys, I like the Queens House art gallery next to the main nautical museum. It's got a fine collection of Flemish seascapes and a room of artwork done on Cook's voyages, amazing vistas of Easter island and portraits of Polynesian kings. Must have blown the minds of the public when they brought them home. Last time I looked in there was an exhibition of modern art from the First World War. That was intriguing, cubist trench warfare anyone? Like the Imperial War Museum this stuff is better than you think, perhaps because it's so out of the mainstream art world. I have a friend who is an art lecturer and I suggested we spend a day at the War Museum art gallery, he scoffed loudly but I was pleased to see his sneer change to amazement when we got there. Hidden treasuers. My other favourite thing about Greenwich is the riverside walk to the Thames Barrier, it's a different perspective on London. All industrial wasteland or wild new buildings, but it has a peaceful atmosphere and great scenery. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Here's something to do on a Saturday afternoon in London. Get a boat down the river to Greenwich, have lunch in the park- preferably something purchased in the market - and then stroll up the hill to the Royal Greenwich Observatory and have a look at the history of Mankind's study of the stars. In another building is the only planetarium in London and it's also the site of the Astronomy Photographer of the Year contest always nicely presented with the pictures backlit in a dark room. You'll be surprised that a lot of these images were captured with easily available amateur equipment. Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year 2015 shortlist - in pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Highlights from the competition, which is now in its seventh year, with entries from enthusiastic amateurs and professional photographers View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The FF Meditating Community
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yes, good analysis. I remember those days of the daily trudge or car ride to the dome, seeing people I didn't actually know but whose faces became very familiar. It was indeed the daily communal ritual; it was the glue that held us together. Now it has largely fallen away, although of course many people do still go. But in some ways we are almost in a post-TM era here now. I know so many people who no longer practice TM or care about anything the TMO does. It is just no longer a part of their lives. Instead of having one communal meeting ground every day, twice a day, people have developed a network of smaller groups, from the Sufis to Waking Down (just to give two examples) to cater to their particular post-TM interests. And yet is it wonderful that almost all of us have that common background. We understand each other in ways that would not be possible without it. I spent over 30 years doing TM and do not regret a single moment spent with eyes closed in the dome or elsewhere. But I have no desire to practice any form of meditation now. I have moved on, and others have too. I also find there is tremendous respect among the post-TMers for all the different paths or no paths that people have chosen to best satisfy their spiritual needs as they understand them now, 40-50 years (in many cases) since we first began this long journey, in a puja room somewhere with incense burning, a picture of the guru—and the imminence of transcendence, that sudden strange fall . . . Nice synopsis of FF. I can totally understand the appeal of the place on many levels. Human beings, for the most part, enjoy mingling with those with similar viewpoints or goals or priorities in their lives (just look at the three FFL groups now, for example ;-)) and FF is somewhere that is established as a community of those who came, initially, to pursue an education and then a lifestyle that included TM. This has evolved into a multi faceted town of older and younger people who appear to enjoy culture, companionship and a small town vibe. It's certainly better than a gaited community in Florida or Arizona or the old folk's home and I'm being mostly serious here. The only downside of FF for me is its isolation from a big city other than the littler Iowa City and those damn winters. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Living in the meditating community it is interesting that the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa is large enough that we do not necessarily know each other in it. Living here you recognize folks as part of the tribe. In the tribe there evidently are circles of folks something like guilds by affinity of interests or work that might overlap like Venn diagrams do. It used to be easier to recognize folks twenty years ago when the meditation numbers where significantly higher whence twice a day lots of meditators regardless of social economics, rank or element in the community, everyone walked in to the Domes shoulder-to-shoulder for meditation. The Dome meditation times then also served as communal 'check-in' times with friends and the larger meditating community. The Dome numbers have fragmented and diminished since those times and elements of the tribe have drifted a part from each other but there can still be overlap. And every once in a while you meet someone who has been living here in the larger meditating community for 20, 30 or 40 years that you never met before. For the last year or so as a 'town meditator' I have been on committees meeting up on campus and it has been a revelation at times putting some faces to names of folks up there in that part of the meditating community. And, also renewing old friendships of people who have been around for decades here. -JaiGuruYou Edg writes: Never met George. Two decades in FF, and nope. But I heard his name every single week there...the guy was a true community gluer. Had to be that he was a solid Joe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The FF Meditating Community
feste, loving what you say here that's so true, esp the part about having the
common background and also respecting all the different paths.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The FF Meditating Community
Yes, good analysis. I remember those days of the daily trudge or car ride
to the dome, seeing people I didn't actually know but whose faces became very
familiar. It was indeed the daily communal ritual; it was the glue that held us
together. Now it has largely fallen away, although of course many people do
still go. But in some ways we are almost in a post-TM era here now. I know so
many people who no longer practice TM or care about anything the TMO does. It
is just no longer a part of their lives. Instead of having one communal meeting
ground every day, twice a day, people have developed a network of smaller
groups, from the Sufis to Waking Down (just to give two examples) to cater to
their particular post-TM interests. And yet is it wonderful that almost all of
us have that common background. We understand each other in ways that would not
be possible without it. I spent over 30 years doing TM and do not regret a
single moment spent with eyes closed in the dome or elsewhere. But I have no
desire to practice any form of meditation now. I have moved on, and others have
too. I also find there is tremendous respect among the post-TMers for all the
different paths or no paths that people have chosen to best satisfy their
spiritual needs as they understand them now, 40-50 years (in many cases) since
we first began this long journey, in a puja room somewhere with incense
burning, a picture of the guru—and the imminence of transcendence, that
sudden strange fall . . .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Living in the meditating community it is interesting that the meditating
community in Fairfield, Iowa is large enough that we do not necessarily know
each other in it. Living here you recognize folks as part of the tribe. In the
tribe there evidently are circles of folks something like guilds by affinity of
interests or work that might overlap like Venn diagrams do.
It used to be easier to recognize folks twenty years ago when the meditation
numbers where significantly higher whence twice a day lots of meditators
regardless of social economics, rank or element in the community, everyone
walked in to the Domes shoulder-to-shoulder for meditation. The Dome meditation
times then also served as communal 'check-in' times with friends and the larger
meditating community.
The Dome numbers have fragmented and diminished since those times and elements
of the tribe have drifted a part from each other but there can still be
overlap. And every once in a while you meet someone who has been living here in
the larger meditating community for 20, 30 or 40 years that you never met
before. For the last year or so as a 'town meditator' I have been on committees
meeting up on campus and it has been a revelation at times putting some faces
to names of folks up there in that part of the meditating community. And, also
renewing old friendships of people who have been around for decades here.
-JaiGuruYou
Edg writes: Never met George. Two decades in FF, and nope. But I heard his
name every single week there...the guy was a true community gluer. Had to be
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. If Doug starts to censor negative opinions of TM, you're not just going to hear complaints from the TM critics; TM supporters won't stand for it either. Me: When I was studying Brazilian Jiu Jitsu we used to use a trick to get someone to extend their arm so we could lock it and win the match by forcing them to tap out. When we got on top of them we would push on their throat. This would cause a reflex from them to try to push us away by extending their arm. So to attack the arm we went for the neck. This is what made is such an intellectual sport, like body chess. You and I are interpreting what happened that lead to Barry and Michael getting the boot. By hitting Barry with an outrageous accusation of violating the Yahoo guidelines by criticizing David Lynch, Barry reflexively extended his arm. It was an outrageous claim and a trumped up charge and it inspired an emotional response from Barry about Buck's unsuitability as a moderator in the context of an appeal to Rick to stop him before he did what he ended up doing. Gee, and this after your lecture about not getting emotional when badmouthed. Barry could have made his objections known with civility; he chose not to. Sorry, but reflex doesn't cut it in this context, and you wouldn't propose or accept it as an excuse for someone whose views you didn't share losing it on an Internet forum. It is not as if Buck has not been very clear about his view of speaking ill of the TM teaching. He has spent years and pretty tirelessly promoted the idea that he views it as on a par with terrorism. After having labeled people who left TM as quitters and other terms mostly used in religious contexts, he has weighed in on free speech. He is not a fan. Drone strikes were used as images to express his opinion about apostates. So it kind of makes sense that people who were in his target demo would feel the laser sight, and low and behold, (lo and behold = look and see) he got the two most vocal critics of TM off the site. Coincidence? Not for me. The two most vocal were also the two most uncivil. Some of the worst offenders of this new policy moved to another site before we could really test if this rule would be selectively enforced or not. Actually the three who were bounced did. None of the others who have shown up there have been big offenders. (Well, maybe Edg.) Salyavin is still here as well as there. So with all the civility appropriate to the new FFL: I believe that your opportunity to stand up for the principle of free speech here was missed in your sense of personal satisfaction that an old rival got canned. Yeah, you said that before. Wishful thinking. Too bad you haven't got a better argument than one based on mind-reading. Your view requires you to ignore what Buck has already written about ad nauseam as the prelude to how he has actually used his new found power. It does not so require unless one leads to the other, which it hasn't so far. As I said, if Doug starts banning people for their negative opinions of TM rather than incivility, you'll hear from TM supporters too. But he's innocent until proven guilty, by me. Seems to me you've convicted him before he's committed any crimes as moderator. From a previous discussion of ours, I was able to locate the email from Rick where he states clearly that Buck had been bugging him for years to let him clean up the group. All the time he was posting those tirades about critics being terrorists he was bugging Rick to implement the very plan he has carried out. Rick was concerned that Buck would show up instead of Doug. Rick told me that Buck would be moderating as Doug, not Buck. This before it was official. I believe we also disagree on which one is now on FFL. As an expert in language forms yourself, I am surprised that you refer to him by a different name You mean, his real name, the one he's been posting under. considering his use of the same tortured language style that Buck was infamous for using. Doug's language style has always been tortured (although it's not as bad as you pretend) whether he was appearing as Buck or himself.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. I think I'm pretty comfortable with the guidelines as they are clearly or not clearly delineated here. I know for one thing that a whole bunch of people feel a whole lot more comfortable writing posts at FFL since you took over as moderator and asked some of the members, who were consistently throwing mud and rotten fruit at others, to leave. I'm just tired of continually having to wash my face and clothes after posting here and now that the need for that has vanished it is way better, for me. All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. No, you accused me of doing the same with reference to Xeno. You just don't recognize it when the posters you like do it to others. This is what bugs me the most - the hypocrisy. When your friends sling shit around it is well-reasoned arguments, when others do it they are teenaged girls mimicking what goes on at FB. You have a serious double standard for such a scientific guy, Sal. I read a lot of well argued counter arguments to the TM dogma. TM claims to be a science, therefore it gets criticised. That's what science is, people arguing until they reach a consensus based on the evidence. Here is what you still don't understand about me. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for. I don't, and most others here included, did not have a problem with dissenting viewpoints about TM and not one person who has been chucked out of here was done so because they said something mean about TM. It is about personal space and mutual civilized respect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lord Jesus' commentary on the importance of the 3rd eye....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Indeed, a profound saying. People who have been exposed to Advaita Vedanta or Buddhist teachings - and the Christian mystics - can get far more out of the New Testament than conventional Christians, especially those Christians who have unfortunate fundamentalist tendencies. Forget what you learned in Sunday School and read the NT with fresh eyes and it's a revelatory collection of documents. [By the way, to repeat what I just posted on FFL-2: Now that FFL (the original) has Buck as a gatekeeper and presumably reverence and consideration for the views of other people will overrule the more boisterous postings perhaps The Peak should close up shop. Having three FFL variants is verging on the ridiculous.] LOL, I'm keeping my options open with the exception of the third choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “The eye is the Lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of Light.” ~Matthew 6:22
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here's the TM secrets...mantras, puja, etc.
And exactly what purpose would that serve, other than allowing you to live up to your carefully cultivated image of the Big Bad Boy? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Just the kind of title that Doug would check out, right? Am I allowed to publish the mantras and the meaning to the puja and checking notes and instructions how to do the puja and choose the mantra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Somnophilia
Cosby can't hold a candle to England's Jimmy Savile. I'm amazed at how Savile, a psychopath and a necrophiliac, among other things, got away with it for so many years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Bill Cosby. What do you think? I think he's an asshole but I thought that long before these stories came out. Now I think he's a hideously creepy and dangerous asshole. It also sounds like someone trying to establish an excuse before a trial, some trumped up medical condition that will get him a few years less in the cooler. Is Bill Cosby a Predatory Somnophiliac? https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Is Bill Cosby a Predatory Somnophiliac? https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Somnophilia is a clinically diagnosable fetish. And a new motion filed by Cosbys first accuser uses this word as a possible reason to why he allegedly drugged and ... View on www.yahoo.com https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here's the TM secrets...mantras, puja, etc.
The FFL archives are liberally sprinkled with links to minet.org, which contains all the TM secrets. Rick has not asked that stuff like that not be posted, and the Yahoo Holy Writ, which Doug has pledged to uphold until his last dying breath, certainly has no rules against it. So, go for it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's a fair question -- an example question -- it's me doing science here. I try out some words and see if that gets me banned. Test and then measure the results! If the answer is that I can post this kind of material, well, hey, isn't Doug much more liberal than I thought! See? I'm trying to get Doug to tell us his boundaries. If he refuses to delineated his power, then we know that he's just making this shit up as he goes alongjust like I'm doing with this keyboard. I refuse to be cinched up by the Emperor's New Leash. IT'S NOT FUCKING THERE! The TM program drives anyone insane. BAMjust fucking words on a screen. If some asshole takes my online opinion as truth, then he doesn't deserve the truth. Fuck Maharishi up the ass with seven artichokes on a kebob. BAM!.just fucking words. I can do this all day, right? You too, right? IT'S NOT THE WORDS, it's the intent behind them that Doug is trying to throttle here. If I mean the words, h boy, I'm in trouble then. But see? Who can tell if I do or not? Is Doug a mind reader? Or is my creative writing off limits here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : And exactly what purpose would that serve, other than allowing you to live up to your carefully cultivated image of the Big Bad Boy? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Just the kind of title that Doug would check out, right? Am I allowed to publish the mantras and the meaning to the puja and checking notes and instructions how to do the puja and choose the mantra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lord Jesus' commentary on the importance of the 3rd eye....
Indeed, a profound saying. People who have been exposed to Advaita Vedanta or Buddhist teachings - and the Christian mystics - can get far more out of the New Testament than conventional Christians, especially those Christians who have unfortunate fundamentalist tendencies. Forget what you learned in Sunday School and read the NT with fresh eyes and it's a revelatory collection of documents. [By the way, to repeat what I just posted on FFL-2: Now that FFL (the original) has Buck as a gatekeeper and presumably reverence and consideration for the views of other people will overrule the more boisterous postings perhaps The Peak should close up shop. Having three FFL variants is verging on the ridiculous.] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “The eye is the Lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of Light.” ~Matthew 6:22
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. So you say. you aren't an apostate It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. Talking of incivility; I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for One more stroke for bawee from Sal. He might even take this as an enabling equivalent of a vitamin pill.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Here's the TM secrets...mantras, puja, etc.
It's a fair question -- an example question -- it's me doing science here. I try out some words and see if that gets me banned. Test and then measure the results! If the answer is that I can post this kind of material, well, hey, isn't Doug much more liberal than I thought! See? I'm trying to get Doug to tell us his boundaries. If he refuses to delineated his power, then we know that he's just making this shit up as he goes alongjust like I'm doing with this keyboard. I refuse to be cinched up by the Emperor's New Leash. IT'S NOT FUCKING THERE! The TM program drives anyone insane. BAMjust fucking words on a screen. If some asshole takes my online opinion as truth, then he doesn't deserve the truth. Fuck Maharishi up the ass with seven artichokes on a kebob. BAM!.just fucking words. I can do this all day, right? You too, right? IT'S NOT THE WORDS, it's the intent behind them that Doug is trying to throttle here. If I mean the words, h boy, I'm in trouble then. But see? Who can tell if I do or not? Is Doug a mind reader? Or is my creative writing off limits here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : And exactly what purpose would that serve, other than allowing you to live up to your carefully cultivated image of the Big Bad Boy? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Just the kind of title that Doug would check out, right? Am I allowed to publish the mantras and the meaning to the puja and checking notes and instructions how to do the puja and choose the mantra?
[FairfieldLife] Getting to Character
Communal Meditating Fairfield's Maharishi School 2015 commencement speaker, Johnathan Freeman Maharishi School Graduation 2015 Jonathan Freeman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVS7cAK8B0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVS7cAK8B0 Maharishi School Graduation 2015 Jonathan Freeman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVS7cAK8B0 Jonathan is guest speaker at the Maharisi School graduation, June 7, 2015. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVS7cAK8B0 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Acropolis Now!
Thanks, this posting is really sensitive to some issues and respectfully said. Though, there are a lot of folks around here who do in fact have [objective] experience of 'ritam' aka, the 'siddhis-like' in practice or formula otherwise by Patanjali with cultivated transcendence as MMY brought out. One could feel sorry for you and others that this was not your experience. “I have given you the key to the universe and you want an advanced technique?” -MMY May 1977 Compelled by enough spiritual experience on their own the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa is proly not going to go away any time soon. I am going to copy out some of this posting as summary to add to material of particular experiences with the culture of the movement being collected by a sub-committee of the Mental Health Alliance as data-points about people's cultural experience related to mental health. It is progressing well. With enough data-points one can see to develop and implement better 'actionable' policy in facilitating organization to the benefit of individuals and the well-being of the organization. Metrics count that way in data, -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 writing in pink/red?: wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re I did it [TMSP] religiously for 10 years though and was never happier than when I quit.: Well no one could claim you didn't give it a fair shot. Yes indeed. The first problem with quitting is that once you've brought the dream that meditating leads to enlightenment then doing less meditation means you must get there slower right? Beliefs like that sink in deep and it can take a while to get to the bottom of where the guilt comes from but the TMO is steeped in it. It's only when you live among them that the majority worldview takes hold. How we learn things is a funny process, it isn't just a case of an idea coming in and we see the superior wisdom of it, there's a deliberation process where we have to convince ourselves that the new idea is more correct than our previous mental defaults. To do this usually we have to fall back on previous assessment strategies and work out whether we have found a better way of seeing things. It's a lot of work. In a basically closed group it's easier because other people around you having strong opinions helps a process of acceptance just to fit in or for the sake of a quiet life and we override some of our usual intellectual approach. Having a new and profound experience to explain makes this process even easier because of the ready packaged set of profound sounding beliefs with all sorts of triggers for quality like them being old or eastern and to accept that as superior you have to have accepted the idea that ancient man had a better understanding of him self and the world that we've lost in our hurried and confusing modern world. It all feeds off each other. I'm not just trying to excuse myself for doing something for so long that wasn't doing me any good, it's just that I'd lost the way of self-assessment that I'd usually apply. This stuff is powerful, a lot of people never get out of the beliefs they've adopted. Some will insist that they've still got the superior worldview and that I'm a quitter and any criticism of them or the organisation that inadvertently brainwashed us all marks me as an apostate. Anyway, after 10 years of this superior spiritual development I was stressed, withdrawn and in need of psychological help. But interestingly I had no idea about any of that and assumed I was on the fast track to enlightenment and didn't even blame unstressing as I hadn't realised my life had changed for the worst. Kiddology is another powerful force that's tricky to become aware of. One thing I've often wondered about the TM program is how TM teachers or checkers could be really sure that their pupils were doing the whole thing right. I recall a story of MMY once realising that a high-ranking member of the TMO and close associate hadn't been meditating correctly and giggling about it. Well, it's supposed to be really easy. The thing you have to watch is not interfering with it by getting frustrated at all the thoughts or lack of clear experience. If you feel slightly better after than you did before they consider it a success. But with the flying sidhi program it's different: either you are hopping or you aren't. Do those who fail to take off suffer humiliating feelings of being losers and second-class citizens of the Age of Enlightenment? Oh yes. The people on my flying course who didn't take off were bitterly frustrated about it and saw themselves as failures. One girl I knew quit the whole thing in disgust and really held it against us that we'd got it. Still does actually. But I was one of the last to get it so I know how she felt. I would have felt most pissed off if it hadn't
[FairfieldLife] Plight of the Bumblebee...
This is sad. Actually it's more than sad it's going to be an environmental disaster, without bees we will lose an awful lot of food growing capabilities due to lack of pollination. The poor little critters are suffering though and in Europe they will suffer even more when the Asian giant hornet starts spreading its habitat due also to climate change. They eat bees you see, or rather they eat the bee's larvae but have to kill the bees first. They do this by biting them all in half. So, poor little things, no more crops for us and no more honey either! Bees Are Losing Their Habitat Because of Climate Change http://time.com/3951339/bees-climate-change/ http://time.com/3951339/bees-climate-change/ Bees Are Losing Their Habitat Because of Climate Change http://time.com/3951339/bees-climate-change/ Here's why it matters for other animals and food security View on time.com http://time.com/3951339/bees-climate-change/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Close to the Edge...
Until the Indian space program sends back spectacular photos of Rahu and Ketu, they are not worthy of my attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Total bollocks. The Vedic Seers successfully cognized Jyotish with none of that Pluto nonsense. Those dumbass scientists at NASA should have launched missions to Rahu and Ketu. Yep, scientists really slipped up discovering there were planets beyond the orbit of Saturn. India had to scrap its space programme until they'd gotten their hands on a revised horoscope with the new ones on it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's getting closer, our first glimpse of the most distant planet of our solar system, it will always be a planet for me, none of this dwarf planetoid nonsense. Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at dwarf planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet The most detailed pictures captured of the satellite have been beamed back to earth by the New Horizon spacecraft View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Starry Night..
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Get a boat down the river to Greenwich, have lunch in the park- preferably something purchased in the market - and then stroll up the hill to the Royal Greenwich Observatory: Whenever I have friends visiting from Up North or from abroad that itinerary is what I always suggest when the sun shines. I must be an authority on the Observatory display by now. But it's the plain marker that shows the Greenwich Mean Time boundary line that always brings on the selfie mania. Funny how something completely notional and conventional can strike a chord with people. Yes, the Greenwich Meridian, one of the great British inventions. I've got a few pics of it myself, no selfies though as my camera is a bit heavy for one of those funny sticks. Greenwich has many joys, I like the Queens House art gallery next to the main nautical museum. It's got a fine collection of Flemish seascapes and a room of artwork done on Cook's voyages, amazing vistas of Easter island and portraits of Polynesian kings. Must have blown the minds of the public when they brought them home. Last time I looked in there was an exhibition of modern art from the First World War. That was intriguing, cubist trench warfare anyone? Like the Imperial War Museum this stuff is better than you think, perhaps because it's so out of the mainstream art world. I have a friend who is an art lecturer and I suggested we spend a day at the War Museum art gallery, he scoffed loudly but I was pleased to see his sneer change to amazement when we got there. Hidden treasuers. My other favourite thing about Greenwich is the riverside walk to the Thames Barrier, it's a different perspective on London. All industrial wasteland or wild new buildings, but it has a peaceful atmosphere and great scenery. I love that structure in the first photo here. What is it exactly? It looks like an art installation itself. Have you ever gone digging in the mud by the Thames? There is an almost infinite amount of old Victorian boots and even older clay pipes and broken glass and pottery buried or even right on the surface. I am not sure you are actually allowed to dig for this stuff but we took a tour that allowed us to take these artifacts if they were partly submerged. Still, so much civilization made its home on the banks of that amazing river for, what, 1000 years? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Here's something to do on a Saturday afternoon in London. Get a boat down the river to Greenwich, have lunch in the park- preferably something purchased in the market - and then stroll up the hill to the Royal Greenwich Observatory and have a look at the history of Mankind's study of the stars. In another building is the only planetarium in London and it's also the site of the Astronomy Photographer of the Year contest always nicely presented with the pictures backlit in a dark room. You'll be surprised that a lot of these images were captured with easily available amateur equipment. Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year 2015 shortlist - in pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Highlights from the competition, which is now in its seventh year, with entries from enthusiastic amateurs and professional photographers View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : On 07/09/2015 08:33 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com mailto:curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, as some are affirming here the Yahoo-groups guidelines are a lot about civility and how things are said. Yes it is about civility and facilitating communal well-being for individuals in [safe] collaborative communal organization. With this it seems a lot of thought has been put in to the Yahoo-groups guidelines by folks at Yahoo. Me: If I didn't know who wrote it, I would have to assume this was a parody. You are taking the approach that is appropriate for the pre-schools I teach in or an exclusive POV group like TM. Two things stick out for me: One is the assumption that the unenforced Yahoo guidelines are some kind of Vedic scripture and were not banged out by 20 something's from the corporate lawyer's guidelines. You are taking them as some kind of profound message for how to both condescendingly coddle and at the same time control other adults engaged in free conversations. Heh, that's what I said in a post before I read this one. People sit around in corporate boardrooms and dream this stuff up because the lawyers and marketing demand it. There was probably a tug-a-war between the more rational and idealistic in that meeting and probably a more senior manager reminding them they were to create suggestions not rules. Those here who have sat in corporate boardrooms know what I mean. :) Two is that you are following a long historical line of people who value form over content and seem incapable of tolerating the way people who care about content engage in the process. When I am in a heated debate and someone calls me a name, it is very easy to label it for what it is, a sophistic tactic to distract from the weakness of the argument or their lack of ability to mount one. Often the back and forth of diverse opinions can inspire someone to mouth off a little. But that is because they are engaged, they care, they give a s-- oh wait, I just got a memo from the inhibitory part of my brain that alerts me that in your mind, you might bounce me if I use bad language You don't want passionate people who are emotionally behind their ideas and willing to hash it out in discussion. If I put some new age music behind what you wrote I could use it to go to sleep. You are taking the Kim Kardashian approach to the exchange of ideas. All Spanx and nothing behind the eyes. Buck:The yahoo guidelines seem very much like a re-structuring and looking at language that is happening a lot of places and also ongoing within the TM movement itself to help folks figure out civil processes. Like between and within the different elements as in the case of TM, of what or who is TM. I was in movement working committee meetings yesterday on campus where a focus of discussion was looking
[FairfieldLife] Re: Close to the Edge...
Total bollocks. The Vedic Seers successfully cognized Jyotish with none of that Pluto nonsense. Those dumbass scientists at NASA should have launched missions to Rahu and Ketu. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's getting closer, our first glimpse of the most distant planet of our solar system, it will always be a planet for me, none of this dwarf planetoid nonsense. Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at dwarf planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet The most detailed pictures captured of the satellite have been beamed back to earth by the New Horizon spacecraft View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Close to the Edge...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Total bollocks. The Vedic Seers successfully cognized Jyotish with none of that Pluto nonsense. Those dumbass scientists at NASA should have launched missions to Rahu and Ketu. Yep, scientists really slipped up discovering there were planets beyond the orbit of Saturn. India had to scrap its space programme until they'd gotten their hands on a revised horoscope with the new ones on it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's getting closer, our first glimpse of the most distant planet of our solar system, it will always be a planet for me, none of this dwarf planetoid nonsense. Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at dwarf planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet The most detailed pictures captured of the satellite have been beamed back to earth by the New Horizon spacecraft View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Starry Night..
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Get a boat down the river to Greenwich, have lunch in the park- preferably something purchased in the market - and then stroll up the hill to the Royal Greenwich Observatory: Whenever I have friends visiting from Up North or from abroad that itinerary is what I always suggest when the sun shines. I must be an authority on the Observatory display by now. But it's the plain marker that shows the Greenwich Mean Time boundary line that always brings on the selfie mania. Funny how something completely notional and conventional can strike a chord with people. Yes, the Greenwich Meridian, one of the great British inventions. I've got a few pics of it myself, no selfies though as my camera is a bit heavy for one of those funny sticks. Greenwich has many joys, I like the Queens House art gallery next to the main nautical museum. It's got a fine collection of Flemish seascapes and a room of artwork done on Cook's voyages, amazing vistas of Easter island and portraits of Polynesian kings. Must have blown the minds of the public when they brought them home. Last time I looked in there was an exhibition of modern art from the First World War. That was intriguing, cubist trench warfare anyone? Like the Imperial War Museum this stuff is better than you think, perhaps because it's so out of the mainstream art world. I have a friend who is an art lecturer and I suggested we spend a day at the War Museum art gallery, he scoffed loudly but I was pleased to see his sneer change to amazement when we got there. Hidden treasuers. My other favourite thing about Greenwich is the riverside walk to the Thames Barrier, it's a different perspective on London. All industrial wasteland or wild new buildings, but it has a peaceful atmosphere and great scenery. I love that structure in the first photo here. What is it exactly? It looks like an art installation itself. Have you ever gone digging in the mud by the Thames? There is an almost infinite amount of old Victorian boots and even older clay pipes and broken glass and pottery buried or even right on the surface. I am not sure you are actually allowed to dig for this stuff but we took a tour that allowed us to take these artifacts if they were partly submerged. Still, so much civilization made its home on the banks of that amazing river for, what, 1000 years? I don't thinn you are allowed to remove historical valuables without motifying the relevant government department for a permit. I never see people doing it though. What I do like is when the tide is out and the old remains of Victorian (and earlier) homes and warehouses. You get a better sense of the history The structure is part of the Thames Barrier. Here it is in completeness: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Here's something to do on a Saturday afternoon in London. Get a boat down the river to Greenwich, have lunch in the park- preferably something purchased in the market - and then stroll up the hill to the Royal Greenwich Observatory and have a look at the history of Mankind's study of the stars. In another building is the only planetarium in London and it's also the site of the Astronomy Photographer of the Year contest always nicely presented with the pictures backlit in a dark room. You'll be surprised that a lot of these images were captured with easily available amateur equipment. Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year 2015 shortlist - in pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Highlights from the competition, which is now in its seventh year, with entries from enthusiastic amateurs and professional photographers View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2015/jul/09/insight-astronomy-photographer-of-the-year-2015-shortlist-in-pictures Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. I think I'm pretty comfortable with the guidelines as they are clearly or not clearly delineated here. I know for one thing that a whole bunch of people feel a whole lot more comfortable writing posts at FFL since you took over as moderator and asked some of the members, who were consistently throwing mud and rotten fruit at others, to leave. I'm just tired of continually having to wash my face and clothes after posting here and now that the need for that has vanished it is way better, for me. All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one.
[FairfieldLife] Close to the Edge...
It's getting closer, our first glimpse of the most distant planet of our solar system, it will always be a planet for me, none of this dwarf planetoid nonsense. Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at dwarf planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet The most detailed pictures captured of the satellite have been beamed back to earth by the New Horizon spacecraft View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, You could have posted it here rather than make us look for it, but here it is for discussion as you've mentioned it: I would note that there's an important distinction between unstressing and amplifying your crap by giving it everyones attention. In the first, purification creates release that dissipates. Best if you can avoid catching others in the flak but not a big deal. The energy is clearing. In the second, the opposite is happening. The energy is being built up and spread to others. There are karmic consequences for that and doing it online gives us the potential to create much larger consequences. If there is no transcending, there is no unstressing going on. It's just venting, not purification. Unless you're really unattached (energetically transparent), hanging around in that energy is like bathing in energetic pollution. I suspect its partly why the silence instruction came down for flying. Some people were investing in it. I can't see how this is relevant or are you blaming people for not meditating? Not everyone sees things the way you do, to claim that people here were exploitatively trying to inflict personal emotional hurt is preposterous. You have to be quite some way into movement mythology to accept this and even further in to want to live in a world where no one has any strong opinions. People get ratty occasionally, get over it. The most dysfunctionally aggressive people I ever met were all TM teachers. This place was a model of sanity and restraint compared to the last centre I lived in. Go figure. Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. Are you deliberately making your prose impenetrable? It reads like you're embarrassed about what you're trying to say and are puffing it up with loads of grandiose allusions. Be yourself, let it flow. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. Nobody here - or over on the new FFL - is uncomfortable with anything the TMO has ever done. As I said in my post on the pundits, it's got to change because it doesn't work. You will work it out. Blaming people like me for pointing out the shortcomings of your belief system is NOT emotional abuse. This place is predominantly for the discussion of TM and the organisation. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. You've kind of stacked the deck in your favour there haven't you? We could say that your robotic schtick here is a form of NVC because you deny us a human face to relate to. Why don't you drop it and show us what a nice guy you are? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 07/09/2015 08:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, as some are affirming here the Yahoo-groups guidelines are a lot about civility and how things are said. Yes it is about civility and facilitating communal well-being for individuals in [safe] collaborative communal organization. With this it seems a lot of thought has been put in to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. I think I'm pretty comfortable with the guidelines as they are clearly or not clearly delineated here. I know for one thing that a whole bunch of people feel a whole lot more comfortable writing posts at FFL since you took over as moderator and asked some of the members, who were consistently throwing mud and rotten fruit at others, to leave. I'm just tired of continually having to wash my face and clothes after posting here and now that the need for that has vanished it is way better, for me. All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. I read a lot of well argued counter arguments to the TM dogma. TM claims to be a science, therefore it gets criticised. That's what science is, people arguing until they reach a consensus based on the evidence. It's obvious that what Buck wants is a place where nobody can have a contrary opinion to what he believes in. That's why he uses terms like apostate. But you can';t live in a world like that, there has to be dissent or nobody ever learns anything, you all just sit there agreeing with each other. What sort of discussion forum is that for crissakes? But I can see why people are scared of it. And calling people like that trolls is a very poor effort. You got to think about what they say, not whether you personally agree with it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. If Doug starts to censor negative opinions of TM, you're not just going to hear complaints from the TM critics; TM supporters won't stand for it either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. (snippo) All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. No, you accused me of doing the same with reference to Xeno. You just don't recognize it when the posters you like do it to others. This is what bugs me the most - the hypocrisy. When your friends sling shit around it is well-reasoned arguments, when others do it they are teenaged girls mimicking what goes on at FB. You have a serious double standard for such a scientific guy, Sal. I read a lot of well argued counter arguments to the TM dogma. TM claims to be a science, therefore it gets criticised. That's what science is, people arguing until they reach a consensus based on the evidence. Here is what you still don't understand about me. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for. I don't, and most others here included, did not have a problem with dissenting viewpoints about TM and not one person who has been chucked out of here was done so because they said something mean about TM. It is about personal space and mutual civilized respect that can at least result in interesting and intelligent dialogue. Slinging shit around like its ones personal soapbox is a total drag. It's obvious that what Buck wants is a place where nobody can have a contrary opinion to what he believes in. That's why he uses terms like apostate. But you can';t live in a world like that, there has to be dissent or nobody ever learns anything, you all just sit there agreeing with each other. What sort of discussion forum is that for crissakes? But I can see why people are scared of it. Scared? Puhleeeze. No one is scared of Doug. No one's rights are being taken away by Doug. If he clears out this forum what is stopping anyone from taking their voice elsewhere? Nothing - as we can all see since we are three groups now. And calling people like that trolls is a very poor effort. You got to think about what they say, not whether you personally agree with it. Absolutely, I am calling bawee a troll because he is not interested in discussion. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with him, it is about his intention and delivery. He simply has a terrible need to be someone and FFL is all he's got. If you want to enable and stroke him then by all means do it but thankfully it can be at FFL2 and not here where there are others who have a far more valid and friendly desire to exchange ideas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. I think I'm pretty comfortable with the guidelines as they are clearly or not clearly delineated here. I know for one thing that a whole bunch of people feel a whole lot more comfortable writing posts at FFL since you took over as moderator and asked some of the members, who were consistently throwing mud and rotten fruit at others, to leave. I'm just tired of continually having to wash my face and clothes after posting here and now that the need for that has vanished it is way better, for me. All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. No, you accused me of doing the same with reference to Xeno. You just don't recognize it when the posters you like do it to others. This is what bugs me the most - the hypocrisy. When your friends sling shit around it is well-reasoned arguments, when others do it they are teenaged girls mimicking what goes on at FB. You have a serious double standard for such a scientific guy, Sal. I read a lot of well argued counter arguments to the TM dogma. TM claims to be a science, therefore it gets criticised. That's what science is, people arguing until they reach a consensus based on the evidence. Here is what you still don't understand about me. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for. I don't, and most others here included, did not have a problem with dissenting viewpoints about TM and not one person who has been chucked out of here was done so because they said something mean about TM. It is about personal space and mutual civilized respect that can at least result in interesting and intelligent dialogue. Slinging
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. I think I'm pretty comfortable with the guidelines as they are clearly or not clearly delineated here. I know for one thing that a whole bunch of people feel a whole lot more comfortable writing posts at FFL since you took over as moderator and asked some of the members, who were consistently throwing mud and rotten fruit at others, to leave. I'm just tired of continually having to wash my face and clothes after posting here and now that the need for that has vanished it is way better, for me. All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. No, you accused me of doing the same with reference to Xeno. You just don't recognize it when the posters you like do it to others. This is what bugs me the most - the hypocrisy. When your friends sling shit around it is well-reasoned arguments, when others do it they are teenaged girls mimicking what goes on at FB. You have a serious double standard for such a scientific guy, Sal. I read a lot of well argued counter arguments to the TM dogma. TM claims to be a science, therefore it gets criticised. That's what science is, people arguing until they reach a consensus based on the evidence. Here is what you still don't understand about me. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for. I don't, and most others here included, did not have a problem with dissenting viewpoints about TM and not one person who has been chucked out of here was done so because they said something mean about TM. It is about personal space and mutual civilized respect that can at least result in interesting and intelligent dialogue. Slinging shit around like its ones personal soapbox is a total drag. It's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits of Iowa
It appears that the TMO will be copying the parish model of the Catholic Church which will have two or three pandits to serve the Fairfield community, including Vedic City, IA. As such, the TMO might have to put these pandits at several large cities where there is a community of TMers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : ..but we simply have not been able to replace the unprecedented generosity of the Settle Foundation. Support of nature seems to be coming in the form of much farting in our general direction. Our only option at this point is to change our strategy for creating an Invincible America. Because nothing says, We're in charge now like scuttling the last 50 years of The World Plan. ..we will be able to keep the Vedic qualities alive in our community with a smaller, more permanent group of Vedic Pandits who consider Maharishi Vedic City their home. Some may have outstanding warrants in India, but we favor the positive and don't ask. The Pandit numbers will continue to decrease over the next year until we reach a size that we are able to practically sustain. Right now, it looks like we can keep Suresh as Lawnmower Boy. We are so grateful to all our cherished donors, who have been supporting the Vedic Pandits these past nine years. We could not have achieved any of this without you. And yes, most of your money still is unspent and hidden in bank accounts across six continents in Girish's name, so you know it's still there if the movement ever really really really gets smaller. -email ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Oprah Winfrey visited Vedic City to see the meditations and chants performed by the pandits. Based on this video, it appeared that the pandits were isolated from the rest of the town residents. Does anyone know if the pandits can go to downtown Fairfield to watch a movie and have dinner on weekends? Can they associate with MUM students? srijau: they can audit courses at MUM now, but nothing that would qualify them to do anything other than their traditional occupation. Otherwise, the answers would be no and no. Thats not what they signed up for. same deal as TTC or even a residence course.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Me: We will have to agree to disagree about your conflating actual violence with people calling other people names on a public discussion site. Since you are a fan of old timey wisdom I refer you to the sutra whose rishi congnizer I don't remember. But his cognized truth I do remember. He said: Om shanti shanti shanti, sticksahey and stonesahey may break your bonesahey, but namesistah will never hurt youahey. This teaching applied to children who needed to learn that if you choose to give people the ability to hurt you with name calling you will forever be chasing people around going tisk tisk tisk, you must stop this because I can't handle people thinking of me in a way I can't control. And this is coming from a guy who has drawn as much attempts at emotional hurt as anyone here. I simply chose to see it for what it was, a statement about that person's values and not about me like most adults do who don't require everyone to be nice to them. I have benefited more intellectually from people who went after me with passion than people who high fived me for what I wrote here. We fundamentally disagree with what we find valuable here as evidenced by how you and I have chosen to use this site. As far as David's ideas about spiritual matters go, I don't see enough value in reading posts there, I have been there and done that and have rejected the premises of that world view completely. They have given up the ability to call BS on each other and that means that zero discrimination is going on IMO. Not my cup a tea. B: Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind o.f incivility on their groups Me:As I have pointed out, this is false. Yahoo has done nothing to impose these vague values on this site, this is all your doing. B: these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. Me: They have bought into PC culture that has ruined college campuses as a place for the free exchange of ideas. I do not share your enthusiasm for their wisdom. I work with kids of all ages. Do you know that the prefronal cortex is not even physically developed in adults till they are 24-26? As bright and creative as college kids are, they are physically as much kids as adults. Their values can be passionately held and still wrong, or they may be right. You might have to give examples to see if I agree on a case by case basis, but an appeal to them being old enough isn't going to help your argument without specifics. B: A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. Me: I can't make any sense out of your first sentence. I have no idea if I am comfortable with what you are talking about. At first glance I would say that I am not confused about what is TM, I studied and practiced it a long time. B: But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Me: If you mean that MUM is dealing with their long history of gay bashing and racism I am all for it. After I graduated there was a campus gay purge, did you know about that? One of my classmate friends was one of the targets so I am very clear about that issue that came right from Maharishi's gay prejudices. I also witnessed the National Organization's attitude toward black people in DC when I was chairman so I know they need to give up their religiously traditional oppressive views, that would be good. B:Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. Me: Sorry to be repetitious but you are misrepresenting what the Yahoo guidelines are for in pursuit of your personal agenda here. B: ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Close to the Edge...
NASA knows what Rahu and Ketu are and have very precise calculations for them. They're known in astronomy as the north and south lunar nodes. They are the points on the ecliptic where eclipses tend to take place. If you want to know when an eclipse is going to take place you need to know those. And Pluto may not have the last laugh. I was listening to an astronomer the other talk about another one discovered beyond Pluto. In fact there appears to be a lot more stuff out there to be found in the solar system. On 07/10/2015 06:34 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Total bollocks. The Vedic Seers successfully cognized Jyotish with none of that Pluto nonsense. Those dumbass scientists at NASA should have launched missions to Rahu and Ketu. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's getting closer, our first glimpse of the most distant planet of our solar system, it will always be a planet for me, none of this dwarf planetoid nonsense. Pluto image revealed by Nasa offers closest look yet at dwarf planet http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet image http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Pluto image revealed by Nasa! offers closest look yet at ... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet The most detailed pictures captured of the satellite have been beamed back to earth by the New Horizon spacecraft View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/10/pluto-image-revealed-by-nasa-offers-closest-look-yet-at-dwarf-planet Preview by Yahoo
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. If Doug starts to censor negative opinions of TM, you're not just going to hear complaints from the TM critics; TM supporters won't stand for it either. Me: When I was studying Brazilian Jiu Jitsu we used to use a trick to get someone to extend their arm so we could lock it and win the match by forcing them to tap out. When we got on top of them we would push on their throat. This would cause a reflex from them to try to push us away by extending their arm. So to attack the arm we went for the neck. This is what made is such an intellectual sport, like body chess. You and I are interpreting what happened that lead to Barry and Michael getting the boot. By hitting Barry with an outrageous accusation of violating the Yahoo guidelines by criticizing David Lynch, Barry reflexively extended his arm. It was an outrageous claim and a trumped up charge and it inspired an emotional response from Barry about Buck's unsuitability as a moderator in the context of an appeal to Rick to stop him before he did what he ended up doing. It is not as if Buck has not been very clear about his view of speaking ill of the TM teaching. He has spent years and pretty tirelessly promoted the idea that he views it as on a par with terrorism. After having labeled people who left TM as quitters and other terms mostly used in religious contexts, he has weighed in on free speech. He is not a fan. Drone strikes were used as images to express his opinion about apostates. So it kind of makes sense that people who were in his target demo would feel the laser sight, and low and behold, he got the two most vocal critics of TM off the site. Coincidence? Not for me. Some of the worst offenders of this new policy moved to another site before we could really test if this rule would be selectively enforced or not. So with all the civility appropriate to the new FFL: I believe that your opportunity to stand up for the principle of free speech here was missed in your sense of personal satisfaction that an old rival got canned.Your view requires you to ignore what Buck has already written about ad nauseam as the prelude to how he has actually used his new found power. From a previous discussion of ours, I was able to locate the email from Rick where he states clearly that Buck had been bugging him for years to let him clean up the group. All the time he was posting those tirades about critics being terrorists he was bugging Rick to implement the very plan he has carried out. Rick was concerned that Buck would show up instead of Doug. I believe we also disagree on which one is now on FFL. As an expert in language forms yourself, I am surprised that you refer to him by a different name considering his use of the same tortured language style that Buck was infamous for using. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. (snippo) All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. No, you accused me of doing the same with reference to Xeno. You just don't recognize it when the posters you like do it to others. This is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. So you say. you aren't an apostate It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. Talking of incivility; I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. So you say. you aren't an apostate As Willytex would say (even though he didn't know what it meant): Non sequitur. The notion would be imaginary whether I was or wasn't an apostate. It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. Talking of incivility; (Says salyavin, carefully avoiding the point.) Barry's gone because of his own massive incivility and misrepresentation. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You should do yourself a favour and drop this Bawee nonsense, you are a grown up human right? Doesn't it remind you of one of your best FFL pals always referring to The_Peak as The_Leak? (He's still doing it on FFL2.) BTW, speaking of The_Peak, another imaginary notion salyavin and Curtis are fond of is that there is no disagreement permitted there. In fact, there's plenty of it (see, for example, the recent discussions of crop circles). Apparently it's hard for some to recognize disagreement as such when it's expressed with civility.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You should do yourself a favour and drop this Bawee nonsense, you are a grown up human right? Doesn't it remind you of one of your best FFL pals always referring to The_Peak as The_Leak? (He's still doing it on FFL2.) I must admit that leaves me utterly devastated. I'd better go tell him he's not my bestest fwend any more... BTW, speaking of The_Peak, another imaginary notion salyavin and Curtis are fond of is that there is no disagreement permitted there. In fact, there's plenty of it (see, for example, the recent discussions of crop circles). Apparently it's hard for some to recognize disagreement as such when it's expressed with civility. LOL, is Nabby still banging his drum for the Space Brothers? Good for him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Your view requires you to ignore what Buck has already written about ad nauseam as the prelude to how he has actually used his new found power. It does not so require unless one leads to the other, which it hasn't so far. Ooopsie-Judy, got tangled up in my own rhetoric there. Let me try it again: IF Doug starts using his new found power to get rid of people on the basis of their negative opinions of TM, THEN what he has already written about becomes germane. If he sticks to what Rick authorized him to do, then what he's already written about is irrelevant. My view does not require me to ignore what he's already written about, but it doesn't require me to consider it unless it leads to actual suppression of negative opinions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. So you say. you aren't an apostate As Willytex would say (even though he didn't know what it meant): Non sequitur. The notion would be imaginary whether I was or wasn't an apostate. No Willytex didn't get a single one right that I ever saw, nor did he post ever one relevant link that I followed, but I wasn't an obsessive reader of his posts so I'll give him benefit of the doubt. But the reason you used it is because I didn't explain any further what I meant. I am what Buck would call an apostate the word is ridiculous in the context of a debate on FFL, and belongs to heavily religious societies like Saudi Arabia who take such a dim view of it they will cut your head off. Yeah, I know Buck isn't actually threatening violence but the constantly heavy tone of these allusions left us - me anyway - in no doubt about what he thinks of the way things are going round here and what needs to be done to sort it out to his satisfaction. So yes, I'm sensitive to the fact that he'd be happier if I wasn't here and it isn't like we don't have recent examples of people getting canned on what can only be described as technicalities. Though how I survived getting ditched the last few weeks is a mystery to me. Maybe my cute and cuddly personality shines through even when I'm angry? Or maybe he appreciates my comments on the TMO and things like the pundits and the new mental health improvements? I mean them seriously you know but he never gets back to me. I want a reformation not because I'm still involved but because the technologies they sell on the back of the beliefs they sold previously cost a lot of my friends a lot of money, and they get zilch back. I'm a crusader for justice you see. That's one of the reasons anyway. Another is that I like talking about a wild period in my life and think I've got a valid opinion about some of the more contraversial aspects of it. It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. Talking of incivility; (Says salyavin, carefully avoiding the point.) Not really.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Somnophilia
Oh hell why not?
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Somnophilia
Bill Cosby. What do you think?
Is Bill Cosby a Predatory Somnophiliac?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Somnophilia
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Bill Cosby. What do you think? I think he's an asshole but I thought that long before these stories came out. Now I think he's a hideously creepy and dangerous asshole. It also sounds like someone trying to establish an excuse before a trial, some trumped up medical condition that will get him a few years less in the cooler. Is Bill Cosby a Predatory Somnophiliac? https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Is Bill Cosby a Predatory Somnophiliac? https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Somnophilia is a clinically diagnosable fetish. And a new motion filed by Cosbys first accuser uses this word as a possible reason to why he allegedly drugged and ... View on www.yahoo.com https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zones
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't hear it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties. If Doug starts to censor negative opinions of TM, you're not just going to hear complaints from the TM critics; TM supporters won't stand for it either. Me: When I was studying Brazilian Jiu Jitsu we used to use a trick to get someone to extend their arm so we could lock it and win the match by forcing them to tap out. When we got on top of them we would push on their throat. This would cause a reflex from them to try to push us away by extending their arm. So to attack the arm we went for the neck. This is what made is such an intellectual sport, like body chess. You and I are interpreting what happened that lead to Barry and Michael getting the boot. By hitting Barry with an outrageous accusation of violating the Yahoo guidelines by criticizing David Lynch, Barry reflexively extended his arm. It was an outrageous claim and a trumped up charge and it inspired an emotional response from Barry about Buck's unsuitability as a moderator in the context of an appeal to Rick to stop him before he did what he ended up doing. Gee, and this after your lecture about not getting emotional when badmouthed. Barry could have made his objections known with civility; he chose not to. Sorry, but reflex doesn't cut it in this context, and you wouldn't propose or accept it as an excuse for someone whose views you didn't share losing it on an Internet forum. It is not as if Buck has not been very clear about his view of speaking ill of the TM teaching. He has spent years and pretty tirelessly promoted the idea that he views it as on a par with terrorism. After having labeled people who left TM as quitters and other terms mostly used in religious contexts, he has weighed in on free speech. He is not a fan. Drone strikes were used as images to express his opinion about apostates. So it kind of makes sense that people who were in his target demo would feel the laser sight, and low and behold, (lo and behold = look and see) he got the two most vocal critics of TM off the site. Coincidence? Not for me. The two most vocal were also the two most uncivil. Some of the worst offenders of this new policy moved to another site before we could really test if this rule would be selectively enforced or not. Actually the three who were bounced did. None of the others who have shown up there have been big offenders. (Well, maybe Edg.) Salyavin is still here as well as there. So with all the civility appropriate to the new FFL: I believe that your opportunity to stand up for the principle of free speech here was missed in your sense of personal satisfaction that an old rival got canned. Yeah, you said that before. Wishful thinking. Too bad you haven't got a better argument than one based on mind-reading. Your view requires you to ignore what Buck has already written about ad nauseam as the prelude to how he has actually used his new found power. It does not so require unless one leads to the other, which it hasn't so far. As I said, if Doug starts banning people for their negative opinions of TM rather than incivility, you'll hear from TM supporters too. But he's innocent until proven guilty, by me. Seems to me you've convicted him before he's committed any crimes as moderator. From a previous discussion of ours, I was able to locate the email from Rick where he states clearly that Buck had been bugging him for years to let him clean up the group. All the time he was posting those tirades about critics being terrorists he was bugging Rick to implement the very plan he has carried out. Rick was concerned that Buck would show up instead of Doug. I believe we also disagree on which one is now on FFL. As an expert in language forms yourself, I am surprised that you refer to him by a different name You mean, his real name, the one he's been posting under. considering his use of the same tortured language style that Buck was infamous for using. Doug's language style has always been tortured (although it's not as bad as you pretend) whether he was appearing as Buck or himself. That isn't what makes the difference. Rick has not authorized Doug to clean up the group by banning folks because of their negative opinions of TM, but rather
[FairfieldLife] Somnophilia
Bill Cosby. What do you think? Is Bill Cosby a Predatory Somnophiliac? https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Is Bill Cosby a Predatory Somnophiliac? https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Somnophilia is a clinically diagnosable fetish. And a new motion filed by Cosbys first accuser uses this word as a possible reason to why he allegedly drugged and ... View on www.yahoo.com https://www.yahoo.com/health/is-bill-cosby-a-predatory-somnophiliac-123640068647.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Here's the TM secrets...mantras, puja, etc.
Just the kind of title that Doug would check out, right? Am I allowed to publish the mantras and the meaning to the puja and checking notes and instructions how to do the puja and choose the mantra?
