[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Kidskills!
Kidskills by Finnish-Jewish psychiatrist Ben Furman: Kids' Skills - solving children's problems with fun, playfulness and praise http://www.kidsskills.org/ http://www.kidsskills.org/ Kids' Skills - solving children's problems with ... http://www.kidsskills.org/ A modern method of therapy for chidlren that is fun and easy to learn View on www.kidsskills.org http://www.kidsskills.org/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex says Rick transferred FFL ownership to Doug
Yes, that reads a lot like the Sanskrit of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote : Calm down, Edg. Please. It's only FFL, an Internet group in which people exchange views on various topics. It doesn't matter that much, and Rick doesn't owe us anything. And starting a post by using one of your favorite expressions, followed by the person's name, is hardly likely to encourage him to communicate with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote : Just unfriended Rick from my Facebook friends. I cannot believe his COWARDICE in this matter. It is simply unconscionable for him to give power over all the content of FFL to an outrageous person. If Doug comes in and starts deleting stuff from the past, I will sue. I have the money. I will sue. I don't care if I lose, I just care that Doug and Rick will have to eventually allow me to depose them in front of a court reporter. Yes, I am more angry at Rick than at any other fucker that's ever posted here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote : FUCK YOU RICK ARCHER -- you have sinned big time -- you just gave all the production of all the FFL minds to a person who is, by majority opinion, as crazy as any bliss ninny ever. I cannot believe you have not explained yourself to us. YOU OWE US.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex says Rick transferred FFL ownership to Doug
As your loyal but lowly underling, I have no choice but to completely agree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : Yes, that reads a lot like the Sanskrit of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote : Calm down, Edg. Please. It's only FFL, an Internet group in which people exchange views on various topics. It doesn't matter that much, and Rick doesn't owe us anything. And starting a post by using one of your favorite expressions, followed by the person's name, is hardly likely to encourage him to communicate with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote : Just unfriended Rick from my Facebook friends. I cannot believe his COWARDICE in this matter. It is simply unconscionable for him to give power over all the content of FFL to an outrageous person. If Doug comes in and starts deleting stuff from the past, I will sue. I have the money. I will sue. I don't care if I lose, I just care that Doug and Rick will have to eventually allow me to depose them in front of a court reporter. Yes, I am more angry at Rick than at any other fucker that's ever posted here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote : FUCK YOU RICK ARCHER -- you have sinned big time -- you just gave all the production of all the FFL minds to a person who is, by majority opinion, as crazy as any bliss ninny ever. I cannot believe you have not explained yourself to us. YOU OWE US.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex says Rick transferred FFL ownership to Doug
Dear Dear Alex, we appreciate your long and loyal service to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups and look forward to your awake and capable consul and help in the service of the group as we go forward, -JaiGuruYou! Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : As your loyal but lowly underling, I have no choice but to completely agree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : Yes, that reads a lot like the Sanskrit of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote : Calm down, Edg. Please. It's only FFL, an Internet group in which people exchange views on various topics. It doesn't matter that much, and Rick doesn't owe us anything. And starting a post by using one of your favorite expressions, followed by the person's name, is hardly likely to encourage him to communicate with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote : Just unfriended Rick from my Facebook friends. I cannot believe his COWARDICE in this matter. It is simply unconscionable for him to give power over all the content of FFL to an outrageous person. If Doug comes in and starts deleting stuff from the past, I will sue. I have the money. I will sue. I don't care if I lose, I just care that Doug and Rick will have to eventually allow me to depose them in front of a court reporter. Yes, I am more angry at Rick than at any other fucker that's ever posted here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote : FUCK YOU RICK ARCHER -- you have sinned big time -- you just gave all the production of all the FFL minds to a person who is, by majority opinion, as crazy as any bliss ninny ever. I cannot believe you have not explained yourself to us. YOU OWE US.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Did you know Dawkins learned TM?: What! Richard Dawkins learnt (was initiated into) Transcendental Meditation © TM ® ? Have you a link supporting that astonishing claim? Astonishing claims require astonishing evidence, so let's have a google..no. Hmmm, there is a mention of him having tried TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) or Michael Persinger's God Helmet which is supposed to induce spiritual experiences. He didn't have one. TM, TMS, perhaps he missed off the S when he was explaining it to someone? Still, he's a busy man so I won't hold it against him ;-) Thinking about it though, can you imagine Richard Dawkins at the Puja table? What is Mystical Experience? http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html What is Mystical Experience? http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html What is Mystical Experience? by Anthony Freeman The Experiments View on www.sofn.org.uk http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Which one of RD's did you read Curtis? Me: The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution is the book I am referring to. It is my favorite of his. OK, I haven't got that one actually. If I remember he wrote it because people were fed up with him going on about religion all the time and wanted to him to try and convince them off the alternative. Glad it was a success. S: The conversation about what memes society should have predominating is a good one but I think he's better off sharing his enthusiasm and wisdom about his favourite subject. Me: I believe that people who have had a religious experience and belief system come into Atheism a bit humbled. In my case I can't read any version of clap trap nonsense that I was not the believer in and often in a much stupider form! I relate more to people who lost their religion rather than people who never had any beliefs like that. I can admire them, but that was not my path, and I don't always feel understood by them. Did you know Dawkins learned TM? He said he was unimpressed and didn't have any mystical experiences but that if he had he would have assumed they were neurological burps or something. I often wonder what would have happened to him if he'd had the sort of trip-out I had when I learned. I instantly thought I'd found a disproof of evolution, how could a subjective experience as powerful and complete as that be triggered by an Indian word? And from that they reeled me in to believe all sorts of things about consciousness and DNA, even that I was going to fly! But the dogmatic approach of the vedic science course made me want to argue against it as they weren't offering any chance of criticism and no evidence as justification. All of a sudden the bubble I had constructed burst and I had an enjoyable time searching out and dismantling the beliefs that had wormed their way in. It took years and I only finished it here. Rather odd to look back on myself in those days, the TM revelation caused quite a change from the convinced Darwinist and astronomy nut that I was before I learned to meditate but you know how it is, the thrill of discovering an apparently hidden world of forgotten knowledge from the distant past, complete with all it's secrets revealed anew to the lost humans of this soulless age. They really knew how to appeal to us! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I recommend Richard Dawkins' book on evolution if anyone wants to get a better handle on what it actually is than we can remember from biology class. When I read it I found that I had some odd perspectives that needed adjusting. We are by nature drawn to teleological perspectives (ones that presuppose a goal) because we are order loving and pattern seeking creatures. The statistics of evolution are extra sensory in scale and counter-intuitive. It turns out that the genes can do different things to men and women and some genes prospered in certain environments that we don't live in now. Think of how many humans got whacked by the most recent ice age. So we are left with a gene set that survived that condition that may hurt us today. Non reproducing individuals are no surprise if the gene does something else over the population that leads to more people with that gene. Again we suck at statistics so we see one person and draw bogus conclusions before we can blink. Perversely we think we are good at this inductive reasoning. We equate our feelings of certainty with the probability it is true. Dawkins' book was humbling because there was so much about the
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! Yes, and aren't we all God, or so some have postulated? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. First, I would have to define what it is to know God. Have I realized he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live the reality of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and later lost that? How do I define artificial intelligence beyond the circuits and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience is, let alone a circuit board's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then
interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of
the brain. (-:
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be
in error about who that is!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :
This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings.
How about this question instead?
Can an artificial intelligence know God?
This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and secondary impotence?
kappikachu // mucuna ... or the best thing would be to see a traditional healer like a chinese herbal doctor or a Vaidya and get away from all the pharmaceuticals if possible.
[FairfieldLife] Living Goddess Walks the Streets
In Nepal, the goddess had to get out of her house because of the recent earthquake. And, this event was supposedly predicted a year before the earthquake happened. Nepal quake forces 'living goddess' to break decades of seclusion http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-quake-forces-living-goddess-break-decades-seclusion-041628732.html http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-quake-forces-living-goddess-break-decades-seclusion-041628732.html Nepal quake forces 'living goddess' to break dec... http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-quake-forces-living-goddess-break-decades-seclusion-041628732.html When a massive earthquake struck Nepal in April, Nepal's longest-serving living goddess was forced to do the unthinkable -- walk the streets for the... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-quake-forces-living-goddess-break-decades-seclusion-041628732.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a liberal. She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once. So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also very liberal. There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears that some people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates. It is making many people on the planet crazy. Solve that instead. On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Huey rmh...@gmail.com To: sarah smith slsmith...@yahoo.com; wleed3 wle...@aol.com; Lou Chandler Huey louchandlerresu...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... -- Forwarded message -- From: *Craig L Hope* craiglh...@gmail.com mailto:craiglh...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: Bob Jackson rjack...@shannondell.com mailto:rjack...@shannondell.com -- Forwarded message -- From: *Anne Simonetti* adsi...@verizon.net mailto:adsi...@verizon.net Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: craiglh...@gmail.com mailto:craiglh...@gmail.com, nade...@yahoo.com mailto:nade...@yahoo.com, bsevar...@msn.com mailto:bsevar...@msn.com, gjsimone...@verizon.net mailto:gjsimone...@verizon.net, saritaander...@hotmail.com mailto:saritaander...@hotmail.com, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com mailto:pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com Something to think about. --Original Message-- From: jano...@aol.com Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com -Original Message- From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com mailto:imrg...@gmail.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... *...* The story of my gun Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 right in the doorway. I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented to do so. In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong or I have in my possession, the laziest gun in the world. The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you take out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for Murders. These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S. ALL 4 of these cities are controlled by Democrats. It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people fat. * * -- Richard M. Huey, P.E. Sycamore Mechanical 222 Sycamore Lane Phoenixville, PA 19460 610-935-9001 Cell: 484-888-3902
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I'm gonna combine your two responses, one to me and one to JR, and respond to both. Here's our exchange: Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: But labeling something a god is surely belief? Salyvin, if the first human labeled something tree, was there a belief involved?! No, because a tree is actually there. If you called it god that would mean you thought it was more than a tree or you didn't have much of an opinion of god. I think what you're getting at, esp in your response to JR, is that we label something as god or divine and these words have meanings that are problematic. But why are they? Because we are making unwarranted assumptions about inner experiences with vast conceptual and historical baggage. Whatever we experience is some cool stuff going on inside. You can call it what you like but the term god has implications whatever god it is you believe in or want it to be. Mind you, at least it's an experience of something nice and profound which is more than most religious people get! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Hawking Gets Funding to Find ET
Apparently, a Russian billionaire has trust in Hawking to produce results in this research. But what else can be done that SETI has not already thought of? Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial life http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial l... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# LONDON (AP) — Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking and Russian-born billionaire Yuri Milner on Monday announced an ambitious bid to combin... View on finance.yahoo.com http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
Well you must be living in the good times then. But you probably have neighbors who would disagree with your assessment and it has nothing to do with entitlements. You complain about foreigners coming in and they want to replace people companies think that are too expensive with cheaper foreign workers. They don't even give US workers a chance to negotiate. You have to know something about economics to evaluate this properly and I even read and listen to conservatives who know the economy is failing. And they are more in a panic about it than pseudo liberals (liberals in name only) who believe the good times are here. Ah! You must be a closet liberal, Mike! Last week one of the local talk hosts had a local county assessor on who declared the recession over so they would be taking off the adjustments made over the last few years so people wouldn't lose their homes. I don't know what he was smoking but the recession is far from over and a bigger one on the horizon. On 07/20/2015 11:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a great depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever had to live through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think the problem lies with character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, are spoiled generations that have an entitlement personality. We are *owed* something we haven't deserved or worked for because everybody else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if you won't give it to me, I'll just take it! *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun... FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a liberal. She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once. So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also very liberal. There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears that some people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates. It is making many people on the planet crazy. Solve that instead. On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com mailto:wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Huey rmh...@gmail.com mailto:rmh...@gmail.com To: sarah smith slsmith...@yahoo.com mailto:slsmith...@yahoo.com; wleed3 wle...@aol.com mailto:wle...@aol.com; Lou Chandler Huey louchandlerresu...@gmail.com mailto:louchandlerresu...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... -- Forwarded message -- From: *Craig L Hope* craiglh...@gmail.com mailto:craiglh...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: Bob Jackson rjack...@shannondell.com mailto:rjack...@shannondell.com -- Forwarded message -- From: *Anne Simonetti* adsi...@verizon.net mailto:adsi...@verizon.net Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: craiglh...@gmail.com mailto:craiglh...@gmail.com, nade...@yahoo.com mailto:nade...@yahoo.com, bsevar...@msn.com mailto:bsevar...@msn.com, gjsimone...@verizon.net mailto:gjsimone...@verizon.net, saritaander...@hotmail.com mailto:saritaander...@hotmail.com, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com mailto:pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com Something to think about. --Original Message-- From: jano...@aol.com Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com -Original Message- From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com mailto:imrg...@gmail.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... *...* The story of my gun Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 right in the doorway. I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved itself outside. It
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Ann, Please, read my reply to Salyavin reply regarding the difference between believing and knowing. IMO, the human brain with its body is capable of knowing the Divine Being. The obstacle to this knowledge is the human ego, which often thinks that it is the god and nothing else is above it. Hence, we have the story of disobedience on the part of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. However, when enlightenment occurs in a human being, the human mind and It are one residing in the human body. As such, the fortunate human being can truly live heaven here on earth. But, as we can see, humans are still functioning at the gross level of the ego which is the cause of wars, violence, greed and poverty. Suffice is it to say that it's not far above animal existence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. First, I would have to define what it is to know God. Have I realized he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live the reality of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and later lost that? How do I define artificial intelligence beyond the circuits and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience is, let alone a circuit board's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Share, Please, read my reply to Salyavin regarding believing and knowing the Divine Being. When It is known, the human being can experience enlightenment which is the coexistence of the self and It in the human body while living in the world. This is what MMY was saying about living heaven here on earth. As a matter of fact, this is the message that Moses wanted to convey when he wrote about the Garden of Eden in Genesis of the Old Testament. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Salyavin, I'm gonna combine your two responses, one to me and one to JR, and
respond to both. Here's our exchange:
Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then
interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of
the brain. (-:
But labeling something a god is surely belief?
Salyvin, if the first human labeled something tree, was there a belief
involved?!
I think what you're getting at, esp in your response to JR, is that we label
something as god or divine and these words have meanings that are problematic.
But why are they?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Salyavin,
Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of
the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence
through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as
some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are
we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then
interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of
the brain. (-:
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be
in error about who that is!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :
This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings.
How about this question instead?
Can an artificial intelligence know God?
This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a great
depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever had to live
through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think the problem lies with
character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, are spoiled generations that
have an entitlement personality. We are *owed* something we haven't deserved or
worked for because everybody else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if
you won't give it to me, I'll just take it!
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM
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FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a
liberal. She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once.
So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am
also very liberal.
There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears that some people
believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably
the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates. It
is making many people on the planet crazy. Solve that instead.
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The story of my gun Today I swung my
front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06
right in the doorway. I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business.
While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across
the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite
a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house.
After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there,
right where I had left it. It hadn't moved itself outside. It certainly
hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented
to do so.
In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise,
with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are
and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong or I have in my
possession, the laziest gun in the world.
The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you take
out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the
United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for Murders.
These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S. ALL 4
of these cities are controlled by Democrats. It would be absurd to draw
any conclusions from this data - right?
Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people fat.
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Richard M. Huey, P.E. Sycamore Mechanical 222 Sycamore Lane
Phoenixville, PA 19460 610-935-9001 Cell: 484-888-3902
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: But labeling something a god is surely belief? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html image http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. If we tell them they can fly we could really start screwing some money out of them too. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking Gets Funding to Find ET
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Apparently, a Russian billionaire has trust in Hawking to produce results in this research. But what else can be done that SETI has not already thought of? Organizers say the Breakthrough Initiatives project, also endorsed by other prominent British scientists, is the biggest ever scientific search for alien life. It includes a listening program — the effort to analyze vast amounts of radio signals in search of signs of life — and a messaging program that will include $1 million in prizes for digital messages that best represent the planet Earth. The messages will not be sent, however, in part because some scientists — including Hawking — fear messages sent into space could possibly spur aggressive actions by alien races. Suppose all the other aliens are scared too? We could all sitting around the galaxy not daring to speak and thinking we are all alone because of it! I think the reason we on't send out messages is because we'd be dead before any aliens got back to us. I Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial life http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial l... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# LONDON (AP) — Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking and Russian-born billionaire Yuri Milner on Monday announced an ambitious bid to combin... View on finance.yahoo.com http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html# Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Bhairitu, You seem to agree with Kurzweil that AI can surpass human intelligence. But would a Divine Being want to live in a cold silicon chip or a quantum computer? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? I can't say that I'm currently enlightened, I've got AC/DC pounding in the headphones and I'm off down the pub in a minute, so I'm guessing I won't be appearing on BATGAP any time soon. But I've been there, quite nice I suppose if you like that sort of thing. Not worth giving up a career for at the end of the day but you don't know at the time, especially with the brochures they hand out. Still, I'd rather know than not know if you see what I mean... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Bhairitu, You seem to agree with Kurzweil that AI can surpass human intelligence. But would a Divine Being want to live in a cold silicon chip or a quantum computer? Surely if it's a quantum computer it's already enlightened, at least according to the idea that quanta reside in the unified field of pure consciousness? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a liberal. She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once. So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also very liberal. There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears that some people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates. It is making many people on the planet crazy. Solve that instead. Take away the guns first then solve it. Otherwise people shoot first and ask questions later. On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed WLeed3@... mailto:WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Huey rmhuey@... mailto:rmhuey@... To: sarah smith slsmith211@... mailto:slsmith211@...; wleed3 wleed3@... mailto:wleed3@...; Lou Chandler Huey louchandlerresults@... mailto:louchandlerresults@... Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... -- Forwarded message -- From: Craig L Hope craiglhope@... mailto:craiglhope@... Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: Bob Jackson rjackson@... mailto:rjackson@... -- Forwarded message -- From: Anne Simonetti adsimon@... mailto:adsimon@... Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: craiglhope@... mailto:craiglhope@..., nadeoui@... mailto:nadeoui@..., bsevarino@... mailto:bsevarino@..., gjsimonetti@... mailto:gjsimonetti@..., saritaanderson@... mailto:saritaanderson@..., pet_lvrs_for_u@... mailto:pet_lvrs_for_u@... Something to think about. --Original Message-- From: jano...@aol.com Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com -Original Message- From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com mailto:imrgaff@... To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... ... The story of my gun Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 right in the doorway. I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented to do so. In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong or I have in my possession, the laziest gun in the world. The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you take out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for Murders. These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S. ALL 4 of these cities are controlled by Democrats. It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people fat. -- Richard M. Huey, P.E. Sycamore Mechanical 222 Sycamore Lane Phoenixville, PA 19460 610-935-9001 Cell: 484-888-3902
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
Crime is on the rise though they try to hide like they do unemployment and inflation. I've even heard they're arresting more senior citizen bank robbers. Why? Because people are hurting because of the economy and they often have no other way out. On 07/20/2015 05:12 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think you misunderstood me. I sure as hell don't think the economy is humming along just fine. I was saying that improving the economy isn't going to make people feel safe without guns. I think there is an element in society that is always going to cause trouble, on a criminal level, and that element is getting bigger and bolder. Disarming the general population will only embolden them more. You know the old saying, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun... Well you must be living in the good times then. But you probably have neighbors who would disagree with your assessment and it has nothing to do with entitlements. You complain about foreigners coming in and they want to replace people companies think that are too expensive with cheaper foreign workers. They don't even give US workers a chance to negotiate. You have to know something about economics to evaluate this properly and I even read and listen to conservatives who know the economy is failing. And they are more in a panic about it than pseudo liberals (liberals in name only) who believe the good times are here. Ah! You must be a closet liberal, Mike! Last week one of the local talk hosts had a local county assessor on who declared the recession over so they would be taking off the adjustments made over the last few years so people wouldn't lose their homes. I don't know what he was smoking but the recession is far from over and a bigger one on the horizon. On 07/20/2015 11:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a great depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever had to live through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think the problem lies with character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, are spoiled generations that have an entitlement personality. We are *owed* something we haven't deserved or worked for because everybody else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if you won't give it to me, I'll just take it! *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun... FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a liberal. She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once. So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also very liberal. There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears that some people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates. It is making many people on the planet crazy. Solve that instead. On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com mailto:wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Huey rmh...@gmail.com mailto:rmh...@gmail.com To: sarah smith slsmith...@yahoo.com mailto:slsmith...@yahoo.com; wleed3 wle...@aol.com mailto:wle...@aol.com; Lou Chandler Huey louchandlerresu...@gmail.com mailto:louchandlerresu...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... -- Forwarded message -- From: *Craig L Hope* craiglh...@gmail.com mailto:craiglh...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: Bob Jackson rjack...@shannondell.com mailto:rjack...@shannondell.com -- Forwarded message -- From: *Anne Simonetti* adsi...@verizon.net mailto:adsi...@verizon.net Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: craiglh...@gmail.com mailto:craiglh...@gmail.com, nade...@yahoo.com mailto:nade...@yahoo.com, bsevar...@msn.com mailto:bsevar...@msn.com, gjsimone...@verizon.net mailto:gjsimone...@verizon.net, saritaander...@hotmail.com mailto:saritaander...@hotmail.com, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com mailto:pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com Something to think about. --Original
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Story of my gun...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote : -Original Message- From: Richard Huey rmhuey@... To: sarah smith slsmith211@...; wleed3 wleed3@...; Lou Chandler Huey louchandlerresults@... Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... -- Forwarded message -- From: Craig L Hope craiglhope@... mailto:craiglhope@... Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: Bob Jackson rjackson@... mailto:rjackson@... -- Forwarded message -- From: Anne Simonetti adsimon@... mailto:adsimon@... Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: craiglhope@... mailto:craiglhope@..., nadeoui@... mailto:nadeoui@..., bsevarino@... mailto:bsevarino@..., gjsimonetti@... mailto:gjsimonetti@..., saritaanderson@... mailto:saritaanderson@..., pet_lvrs_for_u@... mailto:pet_lvrs_for_u@... Something to think about. --Original Message-- From: jano...@aol.com Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com -Original Message- From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com mailto:imrgaff@... To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... ... The story of my gun Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 right in the doorway. I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented to do so. In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong or I have in my possession, the laziest gun in the world. The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you take out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for Murders. These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S. ALL 4 of these cities are controlled by Democrats. It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people fat. This is silliness. Of course guns alone don't kill people so it is the people who are responsible. If it was simply a gun who/which was to blame the solution would be as simple as making sure it never had access to its own ammunition. As it is we better look to ourselves as gun owners because we only have our trigger happiness to blame. Sorry, no one is off the hook here, in fact, it puts more onus on the human being. So, the point of this humorous little ditty is? -- Richard M. Huey, P.E. Sycamore Mechanical 222 Sycamore Lane Phoenixville, PA 19460 610-935-9001 Cell: 484-888-3902
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: But labeling something a god is surely belief? Using any label for just about anything is based on belief. The desire/impetus to label is based on belief. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, Please, read my reply to Salyavin reply regarding the difference between believing and knowing. IMO, the human brain with its body is capable of knowing the Divine Being. The obstacle to this knowledge is the human ego, which often thinks that it is the god and nothing else is above it. Hence, we have the story of disobedience on the part of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. However, when enlightenment occurs in a human being, the human mind and It are one residing in the human body. As such, the fortunate human being can truly live heaven here on earth. But, as we can see, humans are still functioning at the gross level of the ego which is the cause of wars, violence, greed and poverty. Suffice is it to say that it's not far above animal existence. I often experience it to be far below animal experience and I mean this very sincerely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. First, I would have to define what it is to know God. Have I realized he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live the reality of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and later lost that? How do I define artificial intelligence beyond the circuits and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience is, let alone a circuit board's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
I think you misunderstood me. I sure as hell don't think the economy is humming along just fine. I was saying that improving the economy isn't going to make people feel safe without guns. I think there is an element in society that is always going to cause trouble, on a criminal level, and that element is getting bigger and bolder. Disarming the general population will only embolden them more. You know the old saying, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun... Well you must be living in the good times then. But you probably have neighbors who would disagree with your assessment and it has nothing to do with entitlements. You complain about foreigners coming in and they want to replace people companies think that are too expensive with cheaper foreign workers. They don't even give US workers a chance to negotiate. You have to know something about economics to evaluate this properly and I even read and listen to conservatives who know the economy is failing. And they are more in a panic about it than pseudo liberals (liberals in name only) who believe the good times are here. Ah! You must be a closet liberal, Mike! Last week one of the local talk hosts had a local county assessor on who declared the recession over so they would be taking off the adjustments made over the last few years so people wouldn't lose their homes. I don't know what he was smoking but the recession is far from over and a bigger one on the horizon. On 07/20/2015 11:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a great depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever had to live through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think the problem lies with character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, are spoiled generations that have an entitlement personality. We are *owed* something we haven't deserved or worked for because everybody else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if you won't give it to me, I'll just take it! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun... FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a liberal. She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once. So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also very liberal. There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears that some people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates. It is making many people on the planet crazy. Solve that instead. On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Huey rmh...@gmail.com To: sarah smith slsmith...@yahoo.com; wleed3 wle...@aol.com; Lou Chandler Huey louchandlerresu...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... -- Forwarded message -- From: Craig L Hope craiglh...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: Bob Jackson rjack...@shannondell.com -- Forwarded message -- From: Anne Simonetti adsi...@verizon.net Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: craiglh...@gmail.com, nade...@yahoo.com, bsevar...@msn.com, gjsimone...@verizon.net, saritaander...@hotmail.com, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com Something to think about. --Original Message-- From: jano...@aol.com Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun... To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com -Original Message- From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... ... The story of my gun Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 right in the doorway. I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone and went about my business.
[FairfieldLife] Brits win latest war against Krauts
All is fair in love and war. New investigation finds British tourists are waking early to beat their German rivals to the best spots by the pool. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11752433/Britons-winning-war-of-beach-towels-against-Germans.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11752433/Britons-winning-war-of-beach-towels-against-Germans.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
Rick, thanks for the forum. It is one of the gifts of the internet that made the internet personally useful in ways I never imagined possible. It's nice to connect with folks about TM and a million other subjects without having to necessarily be politically correct at local center. We have been able to express our concerns without that passive agressive behavior so many governors and teachers engage in. I firmly believe that being critical in a constructive manner is not going negative. All the best.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. No one alive can build that machine. Machines are not living cells and they are not sentient beings and never will be no matter how many Terminator movies you watch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
No, take away the guns from the criminals. Then, you won't have to take anyone
else's guns nor will they have to use them to defend themselves. Taking away
law abiding citizen's guns only makes them vulnerable targets. Of course, you
can't expect the criminally minded to surrender their guns...ever.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talkhost who is a gun owner and a liberal.
She stands by carrying agun and how it may have saved her life once. So she
support thesecond amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also
veryliberal.
There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears thatsome people
believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably
the economy spiraling out of country andthe economic disparity it creates. It
is making many people onthe planet crazy. Solve that instead.
Take away the guns first then solve it. Otherwise people shoot first and ask
questions later.
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Thestory of mygun Today I swung myfront doorwide open andplaced my
Remington.30-06
right in the doorway. I left 6cartridgesbeside it,then left italone
and went about my business.
While I was gone, the mailmandelivered mymail, the neighborboy across
the street mowed the yard, a girlwalked her dogdown thestreet andquite
a few cars stopped at the stop signnear the frontof my house.
After about an hour, I checked onthe gun. Itwas stillsitting there,
right where I had left it. Ithadn't moveditselfoutside. Itcertainly
hadn't killed anyone, even with thenumerousopportunitiesit hadpresented
to do so.
In fact, it hadn't even loadeditself. Wellyou canimagine mysurprise,
with all the hype by the Left andthe Mediaabout howdangerous gunsare
and how they kill people. Eitherthe media iswrong or Ihave in my
possession, the laziest gun in the world.
The United States is 3rd in Murdersthroughout theWorld. But ifyou take
out just 4 cities: Chicago,Detroit,Washington DCand New Orleans,the
United States is 4th from thebottom, in theentire world,for Murders.
These 4 Cities also have thetoughest GunControl Lawsin the U.S. ALL 4
of these cities are controlled byDemocrats. Itwould beabsurd to draw
any conclusions from this data -right? Well,I'm off tocheck on myspoons.
Ihear they'remaking peoplefat.
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Richard M. Huey, P.E. Sycamore Mechanical 222Sycamore Lane Phoenixville,PA
19460 610-935-9001 Cell:484-888-3902
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