[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   Use your common sense.  Watch this clip and weep.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I
  
  
  If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ?
 
 Nabs,
 
 Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment.



Not me, not Maharishi, not Benjamin Creme nor his Master.

 
But IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of 
having sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened 
to boot.


Right. Osho claimed you had to indulge in your mental preoccupations in order 
to overcome them and become enlightened, sex being the most heavy of these 
preoccupations. He claimed to be sexually active. Says it all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John.
 
 That you place so much importance in an institution that was 
 created to make women a possession like property

That's one way to look at it. Another way is that it was
created as a means to get the man to provide for the
children he fathered. Basically, marriage had advantages
for both the man and the woman; it wasn't all one way.
And obviously it was highly advantageous for the offspring.

Now that we have effective contraception, and now that
women can be providers as well, the importance of marriage
for the welfare of children is breaking down. But still,
some kind of formal, socially recognized commitment between
parents does facilitate nurturing and raising children.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

Judy,

Your points are excellent unlike Ravi's immature ideas about sexuality and 
responsibility.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John.
  
  That you place so much importance in an institution that was 
  created to make women a possession like property
 
 That's one way to look at it. Another way is that it was
 created as a means to get the man to provide for the
 children he fathered. Basically, marriage had advantages
 for both the man and the woman; it wasn't all one way.
 And obviously it was highly advantageous for the offspring.
 
 Now that we have effective contraception, and now that
 women can be providers as well, the importance of marriage
 for the welfare of children is breaking down. But still,
 some kind of formal, socially recognized commitment between
 parents does facilitate nurturing and raising children.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

Ravi,

You fail to understand the significance of the family unit in society from all 
cultures.  History has shown that marriage and the family are the bases for 
continuing humanity, culture and society.  

The breakdown of the family unit greatly contributes to instability in society 
which can be seen in low educational achievements among young people, drug 
addictions, crimes of all sorts, and poverty.

The leaders of communism tried to change the family unit into a communal 
endeavor.  Spiritual leaders like Osho have attempted to do likewise.  However, 
their experiments failed miserably.  For this reason, the once mighty USSR 
disintegrated.  And, Osho was banished from the USA and died as another false 
prophet in the history of the world.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John.
 
 That you place so much importance in an institution that was created to make 
 women a possession like property shows your intelligence. Let me guess you 
 probably don't believe in love much, you might be OK with husbands treating 
 woman as property and raping, mistreating wives because they have a license 
 from 
 the government and priest do so, correct?
 
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 6:49:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   Use your common sense.  Watch this clip and weep.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I
  
  
  If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ?
 
 Nabs,
 
 Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment.  But 
 IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of 
 having 
 sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to 
 boot.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

John,

LOL..what a fucking retard you are if you think I'm against marriage. I'm not 
against anything, if I'm against something it's retards like you who have blind 
beliefs, as if beliefs are the truth, that beliefs are god. Who cares what 
happened to Osho, he is dead, all I have is John here in front of me who is a 
sexually repressed, has perverted fantasies on others sexual lives, thinks 
marriage is a license to abuse, rape women, and is attached to his dirty 
underwear.


On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:29 AM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Ravi,
 
 You fail to understand the significance of the family unit in society from 
 all cultures. History has shown that marriage and the family are the bases 
 for continuing humanity, culture and society. 
 
 The breakdown of the family unit greatly contributes to instability in 
 society which can be seen in low educational achievements among young people, 
 drug addictions, crimes of all sorts, and poverty.
 
 The leaders of communism tried to change the family unit into a communal 
 endeavor. Spiritual leaders like Osho have attempted to do likewise. However, 
 their experiments failed miserably. For this reason, the once mighty USSR 
 disintegrated. And, Osho was banished from the USA and died as another false 
 prophet in the history of the world.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John.
  
  That you place so much importance in an institution that was created to 
  make 
  women a possession like property shows your intelligence. Let me guess you 
  probably don't believe in love much, you might be OK with husbands treating 
  woman as property and raping, mistreating wives because they have a license 
  from 
  the government and priest do so, correct?
  
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 6:49:27 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Use your common sense. Watch this clip and weep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I
   
   
   If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ?
  
  Nabs,
  
  Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment. 
  But 
  IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of 
  having 
  sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to 
  boot.
  
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Denise Evans]

I completely agree with the idea that kids lives go much better when both 
parents participate.  I paid/bribed my ex to participate, but I felt it was 
important for the kids to have a relationship with their father, and it was the 
only way.  

Interestingly, I had a conversation last night with a guy who grew up in the 
Catholic tradition who told me that the reason the church made the decision 
that their priests had to be celibate had at the root of it little to do with 
serving God.  They wanted to maintain control of the assets and not deal with 
inheritance by the wife - all about wealth and power.



From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John.
 
 That you place so much importance in an institution that was 
 created to make women a possession like property

That's one way to look at it. Another way is that it was
created as a means to get the man to provide for the
children he fathered. Basically, marriage had advantages
for both the man and the woman; it wasn't all one way.
And obviously it was highly advantageous for the offspring.

Now that we have effective contraception, and now that
women can be providers as well, the importance of marriage
for the welfare of children is breaking down. But still,
some kind of formal, socially recognized commitment between
parents does facilitate nurturing and raising children.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 Judy,
 
 Your points are excellent unlike Ravi's immature ideas about
 sexuality and responsibility.

I don't agree with you that marriage is essential, John,
or that it's the only appropriate context for having
sexual relations. And Ravi's quite right to point out
that in return for providing for their offspring, men
demanded the right to have complete control over their
wives.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John.
   
   That you place so much importance in an institution that was 
   created to make women a possession like property
  
  That's one way to look at it. Another way is that it was
  created as a means to get the man to provide for the
  children he fathered. Basically, marriage had advantages
  for both the man and the woman; it wasn't all one way.
  And obviously it was highly advantageous for the offspring.
  
  Now that we have effective contraception, and now that
  women can be providers as well, the importance of marriage
  for the welfare of children is breaking down. But still,
  some kind of formal, socially recognized commitment between
  parents does facilitate nurturing and raising children.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 Ravi,
 
 You fail to understand the significance of the family unit in
 society from all cultures.  History has shown that marriage
 and the family are the bases for continuing humanity, culture
 and society.

And also for serious oppression of women.

 The breakdown of the family unit greatly contributes to
 instability in society which can be seen in low educational 
 achievements among young people, drug addictions, crimes of
 all sorts, and poverty.

There are many other contributing causes. As far as the
family unit is concerned, we're in the middle of a process
of restructuring things in the direction of greater
freedom and responsibility for everyone, but it'll be a
while until the new social structures gel. In the meantime
there's bound to be some confusion and chaos. Going back
to the way it used to be isn't the answer.

snip
 And, Osho was banished from the USA and died as another false
 prophet in the history of the world.

Just for the record, it was Baghwan Shree Rajeesh who
was banished. Then he changed his name to Osho and more
or less reinvented himself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[seventhray1]

I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview.  I mean, I guess you buy
this ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random
brain activity, like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called
experiences of higher states of consiousness.  I don't know if you
posted this interview to discredit Osho, or just provide some info, but
thanks for posting in any case.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams
willytex@... wrote:
 Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek:
 http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Use your common sense.  Watch this clip and weep.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I
 
 
 If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ?

Nabs,

Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment.  But 
IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of having 
sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to boot.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Denise Evans]

So did I as her experience was interesting.  Willy, you are on leave, but it 
actually seemed to prove the opposite of what you were saying, as it was 
presented as a link supposed proving up the following statement from your 
email.   

'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha]
insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd
had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]...




From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?


  
I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview.  I mean, I guess you buy this 
ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random brain activity, 
like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called experiences of higher 
states of consiousness.  I don't know if you posted this interview to discredit 
Osho, or just provide some info, but thanks for posting in any case.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... 
wrote:
 Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek:
 http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Denise - no need to worry, this is usual Willy-nilly stuff.

I read this for the first time last year and it did have lot of personal 
significance for me. Very touching story. People like John might project their 
perverted fantasies on Osho but I believe that inspite of all the talks on sex, 
encouraging certain people to be sexually free he himself might have been 
celibate his entire life - that's the biggest irony. But he never placed any 
emphasis on it himself, in fact when asked if he could have sex - he said sure, 
my health is not so good but as soon as I get better !!





From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 8:07:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

   
So did I as her experience was interesting.  Willy, you are on leave, but it 
actually seemed to prove the opposite of what you were saying, as it was 
presented as a link supposed proving up the following statement from your 
email. 
  

'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha]
insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd
had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]...




From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?


  
I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview.  I mean, I guess you buy this 
ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random brain activity, 
like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called experiences of higher 
states of consiousness.  I don't know if you posted this interview to discredit 
Osho, or just provide some info, but thanks for posting in any case.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... 
wrote:
 Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek:
 http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John.

That you place so much importance in an institution that was created to make 
women a possession like property shows your intelligence. Let me guess you 
probably don't believe in love much, you might be OK with husbands treating 
woman as property and raping, mistreating wives because they have a license 
from 
the government and priest do so, correct?





From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 6:49:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Use your common sense.  Watch this clip and weep.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I
 
 
 If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ?

Nabs,

Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment.  But 
IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of having 
sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to boot.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 Use your common sense.  Watch this clip and weep.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I


If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

Beautiful, blind baby.

and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmiLiwJjzGE

then Mrs. Moore's version: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3UAPNPffGw

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can 
 jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not 
 think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the 
 universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
 
 
 of this...
 
 
 http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[seventhray1]

I think this is what you were looking for. (your link didn't work, at least for 
me)  (-:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlnMveRt-Y


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKPYe53h78feature=related
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:38:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 OK Yifuji you bring your Ramana and we will approach an average Joe, say Joe 
 the plumber.
 
 We will show him Ramana, the sickly, clearly starving, lifeless, life 
 abnegating guy that any beautiful girl will be obviously be disgusted at.
 
 Then we will have Ravi Yogi, the fun playful, enjoying life, totally at ease 
 at a nightclub or temple, with a beautiful girl in tow.
 
 Let your Ramana do his magic and I will do mine.
 
 Let's see who Joe the plumber chooses, the pathetic Ramana or the playful 
 Ravi.
 
 P.S - So when are you moving to India, to enjoy the poverty, the heat, the 
 dust?
 
 I'm starting a citizen exchange program, all pacifist liberal commies to be 
 exchanged for fun, American loving wannabe materialistic yogis and  yoginis. 
 Absolutely free of cost for the lazy utopian liberals, smelly, never ever 
 bathed bums quite welcome as well.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
 
 
 So what are those categories Yifuji?
 
 
 Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks 
 or frauds.
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
 
 
   
 sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 
 2. SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although 
 nobody knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others.
 ...
 Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor 
 sexually repressed. There are more categories than that.
 ...
 http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Don't bother John.
  
  I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually 
  repressed.
  
  A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, 
  internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame.
  
  After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent 
  John?
  
  He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't  try 
  to repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on 
  others, condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every 
  famous person who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy.
  
  He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous 
  sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for 
  Mother Kundalini. 
  
  Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted 
  like the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping 
  Buddhists turned closet abusers.
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one 
   girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree 
   with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.
   
   Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you 
   a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
   conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with 
   sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.
   
   Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's 
   sexual lives? 
   
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
   
   Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having 
   sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said 
   that his parents did not approve of his chosen path.
   
   Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
   available in India. That is, you either get married or become a 
   celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
I have no clue what his path is.

Can you please summarize?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of 
  their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to 
   let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex 
   too. Trust me I would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[richardwillytexwilliams]

John jr_esq:
 Osho was into tantra to get enlightened.  As such, he 
 enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without 
 getting married to them.

From what I've read, Osho had sex with a single
woman, Vivek, for over ten years. Apparently
he was NOT into having sex with multiple partners.

'Bhagwan: The God That Failed' 
By Hugh Milne
St Martin's Press, 1987

  He said that his parents did not approve of his 
 chosen path.
 
 Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the 
 traditional life paths available in India.  That 
 is, you either get married or become a celebate 
 monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrpHyE5Rp8feature=related



From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:48:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



I think this is what you were looking for. (your link didn't work, at least for 
me)  (-:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlnMveRt-Y

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKPYe53h78feature=related
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:38:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 OK Yifuji you bring your Ramana and we will approach an average Joe, say Joe 
 the plumber.
 
 We will show him Ramana, the sickly, clearly starving, lifeless, life 
 abnegating guy that any beautiful girl will be obviously be disgusted at.
 
 Then we will have Ravi Yogi, the fun playful, enjoying life, totally at ease 
 at a nightclub or temple, with a beautiful girl in tow.
 
 Let your Ramana do his magic and I will do mine.
 
 Let's see who Joe the plumber chooses, the pathetic Ramana or the playful 
 Ravi.
 
 P.S - So when are you moving to India, to enjoy the poverty, the heat, the 
 dust?
 
 I'm starting a citizen exchange program, all pacifist liberal commies to be 
 exchanged for fun, American loving wannabe materialistic yogis and  yoginis. 
 Absolutely free of cost for the lazy utopian liberals, smelly, never ever 
 bathed bums quite welcome as well.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
 
 
 So what are those categories Yifuji?
 
 
 Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks 
 or frauds.
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
 
 
   
 sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 
 2. SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although 
 nobody knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others.
 ...
 Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor 
 sexually repressed. There are more categories than that.
 ...
 http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Don't bother John.
  
  I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually 
  repressed.
  
  A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, 
  internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame.
  
  After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent 
  John?
  
  He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't  try 
  to repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on 
  others, condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every 
  famous person who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy.
  
  He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous 
  sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for 
  Mother Kundalini. 
  
  Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted 
  like the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping 
  Buddhists turned closet abusers.
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one 
   girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree 
   with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.
   
   Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you 
   a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
   conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with 
   sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.
   
   Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's 
   sexual lives? 
   
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
   
   Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having 
   sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said 
   that his parents did not approve of his chosen path.
   
   Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
   available in India. That is, you either get married or become a 
   celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
I have no clue what his path is.

Can you please summarize?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

You have to read in between the lines in what he's saying.  Specifically, Osho 
discouraged his followers to marry.  In doing so, many of his followers had 
multiple partners.  As such, it would be likely that Osho participated in this 
practice as well.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... 
wrote:

 
 
 John jr_esq:
  Osho was into tantra to get enlightened.  As such, he 
  enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without 
  getting married to them.
 
 From what I've read, Osho had sex with a single
 woman, Vivek, for over ten years. Apparently
 he was NOT into having sex with multiple partners.
 
 'Bhagwan: The God That Failed' 
 By Hugh Milne
 St Martin's Press, 1987
 
   He said that his parents did not approve of his 
  chosen path.
  
  Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the 
  traditional life paths available in India.  That 
  is, you either get married or become a celebate 
  monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' 
acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can 
 jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not 
 think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the 
 universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
 
 
 of this...
 
 
 http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[richardwillytexwilliams]

Johnjr_esq:
 You have to read in between the lines in what 
 he's saying.  Specifically, Osho discouraged 
 his followers to marry.  In doing so, many of 
 his followers had multiple partners.  As such, 
 it would be likely that Osho participated in 
 this practice as well.
 
Yes, one would think so, but according to Hugh 
Milne, Osho's bodyguard for ten years, Rajneesh
was pretty much with a single woman for over 
over ten years. Go figure.

  John jr_esq:
   Osho was into tantra to get enlightened.  As such, he 
   enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without 
   getting married to them.
  
  From what I've read, Osho had sex with a single
  woman, Vivek, for over ten years. Apparently
  he was NOT into having sex with multiple partners.
  
  'Bhagwan: The God That Failed' 
  By Hugh Milne
  St Martin's Press, 1987
  
   He said that his parents did not approve of his 
   chosen path.
   
   Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the 
   traditional life paths available in India.  That 
   is, you either get married or become a celebate 
   monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:53 AM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 
 
 Johnjr_esq:
  You have to read in between the lines in what 
  he's saying. Specifically, Osho discouraged 
  his followers to marry. In doing so, many of 
  his followers had multiple partners. As such, 
  it would be likely that Osho participated in 
  this practice as well.
  
 Yes, one would think so, but according to Hugh 
 Milne, Osho's bodyguard for ten years, Rajneesh
 was pretty much with a single woman for over 
 over ten years. Go figure.
 


Well John will not accept, common sense and facts are boring compared to 
perverted fantasies on other peoples sexual lives.

Yes Osho talked about sexual freedom and repression of sex, but a Guru's words 
should never be made into a belief.

However the ego wants belief, loves words, excited with a new set of belief and 
some of the idiotic followers must have made Osho's talks in to a belief and a 
license to indulge in amoral behavior.

John, you are clearly retarded and sexually repressed, you can't seem to use 
your discrimination and would rather read between lines for your perverted 
fantasies.

Then Barry about MMY and groupies, another retard trying to project his 
repressed sexual desires into perverted fantasies.

Osho had a single girl friend Vivek. I only learned recently on Facebook. For a 
long time I enjoyed Osho's discourses, never interested in his sexual life 
because I had my own sexual energy to take care of. Unlike John I was never 
impotent, thank God !!!

It wouldn't have mattered if he had several, none of my business.

John - I'm sure you are tormented with your repressed thoughts of having sex 
with multiple women every night..LOL..


 
   John jr_esq:
Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he 
enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without 
getting married to them.
   
   From what I've read, Osho had sex with a single
   woman, Vivek, for over ten years. Apparently
   he was NOT into having sex with multiple partners.
   
   'Bhagwan: The God That Failed' 
   By Hugh Milne
   St Martin's Press, 1987
   
He said that his parents did not approve of his 
chosen path.

Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the 
traditional life paths available in India. That 
is, you either get married or become a celebate 
monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
  
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

John,

Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened 
man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one 
hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are 
computers for).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related



From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' 
acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can 
 jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not 
 think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the 
 universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
 
 
 of this...
 
 
 http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
  Â 



   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty 
where's the art, where's the music?

Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the 
enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold 
on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 John,
 
 Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
 produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened 
 man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one 
 hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are 
 computers for).
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
 
 
 From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' 
 acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
 
  Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can 
  jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not 
  think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the 
  universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
  
  
  of this...
  
  
  http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  
  
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
  
   Â 
 
 
   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

I have studied Indian history and before the Islamic invasion, before repressed 
Victorian British, before Buddhism, before perverted fantasies resulting in 
admiration of self abnegating, lifeless, starving Gurus like Ramana and pseudo 
spiritual icons like Gandhi, arts, music was thriving in India.

It was a liberal, sophisticated, sexually liberated culture. Women were 
respected, admired, worshipped and sought after. Music, arts, drama flourished.

Very hard for people like John to get rid of thousands of years of perverted 
sexually repressed Roman Catholic conditioning.

On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:

 Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
 beauty where's the art, where's the music?
 
 Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the 
 enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't 
 hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives.
 
 
 On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 John,
 
 Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
 produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened 
 man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of 
 one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are 
 computers for).
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
 
 
 From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' 
 acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
 
  Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and 
  can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened 
  can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as 
  the universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
  
  
  of this...
  
  
  http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  
  
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
  
   Â 
 
 
   
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGorjBVag0Ifeature=relmfu



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:43:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



I have studied Indian history and before the Islamic invasion, before repressed 
Victorian British, before Buddhism, before perverted fantasies resulting in 
admiration of self abnegating, lifeless, starving Gurus like Ramana and pseudo 
spiritual icons like Gandhi, arts, music was thriving in India.

It was a liberal, sophisticated, sexually liberated culture. Women were 
respected, admired, worshipped and sought after. Music, arts, drama flourished.

Very hard for people like John to get rid of thousands of years of perverted 
sexually repressed Roman Catholic conditioning.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:



Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty 
where's the art, where's the music?


Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the 
enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold 
on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives.



On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote:


  
John,

Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened 
man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one 
hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are 
computers for).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related


From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' 
acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can 
 jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not 
 think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the 
 universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
 
 
 of this...
 
 
 http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
  Â 


  

     

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[maskedzebra]

RESPONSE: You leave those poor Catholics out of it, Ravi Yogi! It's a different 
universe now. And anything goes. You are the living avatar of this. But at one 
time (before I was born: you should know better because you retroactively 
inhabited eternity once you became enlightened—you're the only one; and 
therefore should know that at one time God was in his world—but no more) there 
was such a thing as being bad—and paying for it.

Lay off the Catholics, please, because you commit a kind of posthumous sin 
against the Holy Ghost. If you know what I mean.

But Lord Shiva, he likes the Ravi guy, so don't think I *disapprove* of 
*anything* you say. You are let loose in creation to be who you are (we have 
already gone into all this—and I appreciated your response to my analysis of 
you). But me, I have to defend the reputation—and achievements—of the 
Trinitarian God, even though he appears to be deceased.

I wish you would get stuck in an elevator with Barry. For maybe 15 hours. 
Getting everything on your iPhone.

Just dropping in on you, Ravi, to tell you to not to blaspheme—even though, 
given your immortal nature it is your business to do just that (and we are 
those beneficiaries of this). Still, even though you are doing what comes 
naturally, Robin had to do what comes naturally to him: sticking up for Mary 
and her Church.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 I have studied Indian history and before the Islamic invasion, before 
 repressed Victorian British, before Buddhism, before perverted fantasies 
 resulting in admiration of self abnegating, lifeless, starving Gurus like 
 Ramana and pseudo spiritual icons like Gandhi, arts, music was thriving in 
 India.
 
 It was a liberal, sophisticated, sexually liberated culture. Women were 
 respected, admired, worshipped and sought after. Music, arts, drama 
 flourished.
 
 Very hard for people like John to get rid of thousands of years of perverted 
 sexually repressed Roman Catholic conditioning.
 
 On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
  beauty where's the art, where's the music?
  
  Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the 
  enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't 
  hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives.
  
  
  On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
  
   
  John,
  
  Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
  produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The 
  enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is 
  the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its 
  place---what else are computers for).
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' 
  acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
  
   Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and 
   can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened 
   can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure 
   as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
   
   
   of this...
   
   
   http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
   
   
   and this:
   
   
   http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
   
   
   and this:
   
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
   
   
   and this:
   
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
   
   
   
   
   From: John jr_esq@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
   
   
   
   Shri Bhagavan explains.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
   
   
 
  
  

  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[maskedzebra]

Bob:

This is a personal thing of course, but I judge this Wile E. Coyote gets the 
Road Runner video as perfect a joke as I have ever heard. 

It is a joke—not knowingly of course—conceived of inside a perfect sensitivity 
to how the universe is since you-know-what [having sent me a video of it, for 
Christ sake].

In short hand form it (what happens at the very end of the video) summarizes 
everything that I have tried to say at FFL. I mean, if I was to have to put it 
into a joke, I could not come up with anything better than this.

You should know that there are others out there at FFL who, like me, appreciate 
the finessed irony and brilliance of your YouTube choices.

And I'm glad I convinced you I was not lying about my heterosexuality. You 
obviously had your doubts after Barry threatened to reveal the truth about me 
via a confidential Curtis disclosure. 

I hope, though, that you and Barry have patched things up offline. That guy 
doesn't know it, but he needs your Big Sur love.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 John,
 
 Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
 produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened 
 man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one 
 hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are 
 computers for).
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk 
 Douglas' acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
 
  Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can 
  jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not 
  think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the 
  universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
  
  
  of this...
  
  
  http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  
  
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
  
   Â 
 
 
 
   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0OFO3qcNA



From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 11:21:44 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



Bob:

This is a personal thing of course, but I judge this Wile E. Coyote gets the 
Road Runner video as perfect a joke as I have ever heard. 

It is a joke—not knowingly of course—conceived of inside a perfect sensitivity 
to how the universe is since you-know-what [having sent me a video of it, for 
Christ sake].

In short hand form it (what happens at the very end of the video) summarizes 
everything that I have tried to say at FFL. I mean, if I was to have to put it 
into a joke, I could not come up with anything better than this.

You should know that there are others out there at FFL who, like me, appreciate 
the finessed irony and brilliance of your YouTube choices.

And I'm glad I convinced you I was not lying about my heterosexuality. You 
obviously had your doubts after Barry threatened to reveal the truth about me 
via a confidential Curtis disclosure. 

I hope, though, that you and Barry have patched things up offline. That guy 
doesn't know it, but he needs your Big Sur love.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 John,
 
 Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
 produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened 
 man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one 
 hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are 
 computers for).
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk 
 Douglas' acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
 
  Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can 
  jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not 
  think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the 
  universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
  
  
  of this...
  
  
  http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
  
  
  and this:
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  
  
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
  
   Â 
 
 
 
  Â 



   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Dear Robin,

LOL..Love you Robin.

I'm an equal opportunity racist remember? I'm not like the retards John and 
Yifu switching from one dirty underwear(belief) to another. I wear none, I 
don't care, I can wear any underwear to suit my fancy and it will fit me 
perfect, perfect than most.

Remember for you I have no problem going to Church and bowing down to Jesus and 
Mary. I would challenge you go match my love for Jesus and Mary. And right 
outside the door I will curse them both if need be, 'cause I own them, they are 
mine.

I will always want your love and appreciation. I want my beloved to notice me, 
appreciate me, I want her to be all mine, I'm so needy and narcissitic..LOL..


Love,
Ravi

On Nov 9, 2011, at 11:04 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 RESPONSE: You leave those poor Catholics out of it, Ravi Yogi! It's a 
 different universe now. And anything goes. You are the living avatar of this. 
 But at one time (before I was born: you should know better because you 
 retroactively inhabited eternity once you became enlightened—you're the only 
 one; and therefore should know that at one time God was in his world—but no 
 more) there was such a thing as being bad—and paying for it.
 
 Lay off the Catholics, please, because you commit a kind of posthumous sin 
 against the Holy Ghost. If you know what I mean.
 
 But Lord Shiva, he likes the Ravi guy, so don't think I *disapprove* of 
 *anything* you say. You are let loose in creation to be who you are (we have 
 already gone into all this—and I appreciated your response to my analysis of 
 you). But me, I have to defend the reputation—and achievements—of the 
 Trinitarian God, even though he appears to be deceased.
 
 I wish you would get stuck in an elevator with Barry. For maybe 15 hours. 
 Getting everything on your iPhone.
 
 Just dropping in on you, Ravi, to tell you to not to blaspheme—even though, 
 given your immortal nature it is your business to do just that (and we are 
 those beneficiaries of this). Still, even though you are doing what comes 
 naturally, Robin had to do what comes naturally to him: sticking up for Mary 
 and her Church.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  I have studied Indian history and before the Islamic invasion, before 
  repressed Victorian British, before Buddhism, before perverted fantasies 
  resulting in admiration of self abnegating, lifeless, starving Gurus like 
  Ramana and pseudo spiritual icons like Gandhi, arts, music was thriving in 
  India.
  
  It was a liberal, sophisticated, sexually liberated culture. Women were 
  respected, admired, worshipped and sought after. Music, arts, drama 
  flourished.
  
  Very hard for people like John to get rid of thousands of years of 
  perverted sexually repressed Roman Catholic conditioning.
  
  On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
  
   Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
   beauty where's the art, where's the music?
   
   Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to 
   the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened 
   wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual 
   lives.
   
   
   On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
   
   
   John,
   
   Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue 
   to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The 
   enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is 
   the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its 
   place---what else are computers for).
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
   
   
   From: John jr_esq@...
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
   
   Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' 
   acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
   
Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, 
and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the 
enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to 
enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean 
the end:


of this...


http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg


and this:


http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm


and this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related


and this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related




From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

IMO, the message is that love conquers all, even lust itself.  With love, 
having sex with your wife would be a divine gift.  Ravi, quit kidding yourself. 
 Be a man! (See Russel Peters video clips to get this message).



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
 beauty where's the art, where's the music?
 
 Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the 
 enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't 
 hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives.
 
 
 On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
 
  John,
  
  Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
  produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The 
  enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is 
  the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its 
  place---what else are computers for).
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' 
  acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
  
   Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and 
   can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened 
   can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as 
   the universe is expanding---does this mean the end:
   
   
   of this...
   
   
   http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
   
   
   and this:
   
   
   http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
   
   
   and this:
   
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
   
   
   and this:
   
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
   
   
   
   
   From: John jr_esq@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
   
   
   
   Shri Bhagavan explains.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
   
   
 
  
  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

Why do you want to have sex with Ravi's wife?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 IMO, the message is that love conquers all, even lust itself.  With love, 
 having sex with your wife would be a divine gift.  Ravi, quit kidding 
 yourself.  Be a man! (See Russel Peters video clips to get this message).
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
  beauty where's the art, where's the music?
  
  Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the 
  enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't 
  hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives.
  
  
  On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
  
   John,
   
   Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
   produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The 
   enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is 
   the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its 
   place---what else are computers for).
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
   
   
   From: John jr_esq@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
   
   Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk 
   Douglas' acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
   
Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and 
can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened 
can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure 
as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end:


of this...


http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg


and this:


http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm


and this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related


and this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related




From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



Shri Bhagavan explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related


 Â 
   
   
 
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

John,

Yes love conquers all, but doesn't vanquish lust. Love is a superset of angers, 
lust, etc.

Once established in Love, lust takes its rightful place,follows love, anger now 
mysteriously follows Love.

Love's the boss.

I love Russel Peters BTW, watched his videos many times - he is hilarious. So 
be a man, do the right thing John.. Internalize your lust, heal it, integrate 
it, stop fantasizing on other's sexual lives. Assuming existence has not made 
you impotent, if so my apologies and better luck next time.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:06 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 IMO, the message is that love conquers all, even lust itself. With love, 
 having sex with your wife would be a divine gift. Ravi, quit kidding 
 yourself. Be a man! (See Russel Peters video clips to get this message).
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
  beauty where's the art, where's the music?
  
  Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the 
  enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't 
  hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives.
  
  
  On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
  
   John,
   
   Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to 
   produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The 
   enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is 
   the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its 
   place---what else are computers for).
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related
   
   
   From: John jr_esq@...
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
   
   Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' 
   acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
   
Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and 
can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened 
can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure 
as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end:


of this...


http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg


and this:


http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm


and this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related


and this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related




From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



Shri Bhagavan explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related


 
   
   
   
  
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Thanks for catching that Obba, appreciate it.

John - this is serious why are you lusting after my wife? I keep telling you 
stop being fascinated with others sexual lives and wives.

And I don't even a wife !! God, please put a stop to this madness !!! Now I 
only have 2 more posts left - I hate Rick and Alex.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:11 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Why do you want to have sex with Ravi's wife?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  IMO, the message is that love conquers all, even lust itself. With love, 
  having sex with your wife would be a divine gift. Ravi, quit kidding 
  yourself. Be a man! (See Russel Peters video clips to get this message).
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
   beauty where's the art, where's the music?
   
   Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to 
   the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened 
   wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual 
   lives.
   
   
   On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
   
John,

Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue 
to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The 
enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What 
is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its 
place---what else are computers for).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related


From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk 
Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:

 Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, 
 and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the 
 enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to 
 enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean 
 the end:
 
 
 of this...
 
 
 http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
 Â 



   
  
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

Can an enlightened person enjoy being? : )

Being that, the FTC may or may not require a disclaimer about the above or 
below comments for the health and safety from one's own indulgences, may or may 
not be deemed appropriate to legal guidance by such entity, if that which is 
being sought may be of consumer or spiritual origin, depending on your view or 
other's view and their invasive dabbling concern of your situation.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/07/2011 08:58 PM, John wrote:
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 Might as well ask if an enlightened person can enjoy a gourmet meal?  Or 
 can an enlightened person enjoy sex?  Of course they can.  Remember 
 enlightenment will remove the barriers to anything.  However right hand 
 path people will inordinately want to behave like perfect angels because 
 that is the nature of the right hand path which is for renunciates and 
 not householders.
 
 However the Shri Bhagavan does indicate to the enlightened person it 
 will look more and more like a base animal behavior (even if they do 
 enjoy it).  Porn would start looking like at couple of dogs going at in 
 your front yard.
 
 Having a healthy libido is important for having good health.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[richardwillytexwilliams]

Ravi Yogi:
 Then Barry about MMY and groupies, another retard 
 trying to project his repressed sexual desires into 
 perverted fantasies.
 
 Osho had a single girl friend Vivek...

Yes, apparently it's very difficult to participate in 
an orgy when you're stoned out on Valium, Quaaludes 
and nitrous oxide!

'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha] 
insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd 
had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]... 

'The Promise of Paradise'
A Woman's Intimate Story of the Perils of Life with 
Rajneesh
By Satya Bharti Franklin,1992, pp. 323-4 

Among their number was a shy twenty-two-year-old 
English woman named Christine Wolff. Taking on the 
name Ma Yoga Vivek, she became Osho's constant companion...

'Breaking the Spell'
My Life as a Rajneeshee and the Long Journey Back 
to Freedom
By Jane Stork, 2009

Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek:
http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Willytex quotes Eleanor Roosevelt- Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds 
discuss events; Small minds discuss people

Stick to that you little dick..


On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:24 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 
 
 Ravi Yogi:
  Then Barry about MMY and groupies, another retard 
  trying to project his repressed sexual desires into 
  perverted fantasies.
  
  Osho had a single girl friend Vivek...
 
 Yes, apparently it's very difficult to participate in 
 an orgy when you're stoned out on Valium, Quaaludes 
 and nitrous oxide!
 
 'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha] 
 insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd 
 had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]... 
 
 'The Promise of Paradise'
 A Woman's Intimate Story of the Perils of Life with 
 Rajneesh
 By Satya Bharti Franklin,1992, pp. 323-4 
 
 Among their number was a shy twenty-two-year-old 
 English woman named Christine Wolff. Taking on the 
 name Ma Yoga Vivek, she became Osho's constant companion...
 
 'Breaking the Spell'
 My Life as a Rajneeshee and the Long Journey Back 
 to Freedom
 By Jane Stork, 2009
 
 Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek:
 http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

Animal like, is not a bad way to have sex. lol

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Oh no Barry2ji.. Don't know what video you watched.
 
 He didn't say animalistic, animal like, that the enlightened will indulge in 
 animal like sex.
 
 Utterly natural, without any feelings of guilt, shame, without the society's  
 conditioning, the priest's conditionings, without any archetypal guilts of 
 abusing or being an abuser, totally moving into the sex, getting overwhelmed 
 but not overcome by it as he climaxes, totally blissed out.
 
 
 On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
  On 11/07/2011 08:58 PM, John wrote:
   Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
  Might as well ask if an enlightened person can enjoy a gourmet meal? Or 
  can an enlightened person enjoy sex? Of course they can. Remember 
  enlightenment will remove the barriers to anything. However right hand 
  path people will inordinately want to behave like perfect angels because 
  that is the nature of the right hand path which is for renunciates and 
  not householders.
  
  However the Shri Bhagavan does indicate to the enlightened person it 
  will look more and more like a base animal behavior (even if they do 
  enjoy it). Porn would start looking like at couple of dogs going at in 
  your front yard.
  
  Having a healthy libido is important for having good health.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

You understood what I originally meant.  Be a man!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 Why do you want to have sex with Ravi's wife?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  IMO, the message is that love conquers all, even lust itself.  With love, 
  having sex with your wife would be a divine gift.  Ravi, quit kidding 
  yourself.  Be a man! (See Russel Peters video clips to get this message).
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, 
   beauty where's the art, where's the music?
   
   Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to 
   the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened 
   wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual 
   lives.
   
   
   On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
   
John,

Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue 
to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The 
enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What 
is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its 
place---what else are computers for).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related


From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk 
Douglas' acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:

 Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, 
 and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the 
 enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to 
 enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean 
 the end:
 
 
 of this...
 
 
 http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related
 
 
 and this:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_esq@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[richardwillytexwilliams]

Ravi Yogi:
 Willytex quotes Eleanor Roosevelt...

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss
events. Small minds discuss people.
-- Eleanor Roosevelt

Subject: Small Minds
Author: TurquoiseB 
Date: December 1, 2009 4:56 am
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/235684

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

Ravi,

If you believe that Osho only had one woman either before or after Vivek, I can 
sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:53 AM, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote:
 
  
  
  Johnjr_esq:
   You have to read in between the lines in what 
   he's saying. Specifically, Osho discouraged 
   his followers to marry. In doing so, many of 
   his followers had multiple partners. As such, 
   it would be likely that Osho participated in 
   this practice as well.
   
  Yes, one would think so, but according to Hugh 
  Milne, Osho's bodyguard for ten years, Rajneesh
  was pretty much with a single woman for over 
  over ten years. Go figure.
  
 
 
 Well John will not accept, common sense and facts are boring compared to 
 perverted fantasies on other peoples sexual lives.
 
 Yes Osho talked about sexual freedom and repression of sex, but a Guru's 
 words should never be made into a belief.
 
 However the ego wants belief, loves words, excited with a new set of belief 
 and some of the idiotic followers must have made Osho's talks in to a belief 
 and a license to indulge in amoral behavior.
 
 John, you are clearly retarded and sexually repressed, you can't seem to use 
 your discrimination and would rather read between lines for your perverted 
 fantasies.
 
 Then Barry about MMY and groupies, another retard trying to project his 
 repressed sexual desires into perverted fantasies.
 
 Osho had a single girl friend Vivek. I only learned recently on Facebook. For 
 a long time I enjoyed Osho's discourses, never interested in his sexual life 
 because I had my own sexual energy to take care of. Unlike John I was never 
 impotent, thank God !!!
 
 It wouldn't have mattered if he had several, none of my business.
 
 John - I'm sure you are tormented with your repressed thoughts of having sex 
 with multiple women every night..LOL..
 
 
  
John jr_esq:
 Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he 
 enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without 
 getting married to them.

From what I've read, Osho had sex with a single
woman, Vivek, for over ten years. Apparently
he was NOT into having sex with multiple partners.

'Bhagwan: The God That Failed' 
By Hugh Milne
St Martin's Press, 1987

 He said that his parents did not approve of his 
 chosen path.
 
 Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the 
 traditional life paths available in India. That 
 is, you either get married or become a celebate 
 monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
   
  
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXYRh7E5eJ0

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 Ravi,
 
 If you believe that Osho only had one woman either before or after Vivek, I 
 can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  
  On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:53 AM, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote:
  
   
   
   Johnjr_esq:
You have to read in between the lines in what 
he's saying. Specifically, Osho discouraged 
his followers to marry. In doing so, many of 
his followers had multiple partners. As such, 
it would be likely that Osho participated in 
this practice as well.

   Yes, one would think so, but according to Hugh 
   Milne, Osho's bodyguard for ten years, Rajneesh
   was pretty much with a single woman for over 
   over ten years. Go figure.
   
  
  
  Well John will not accept, common sense and facts are boring compared to 
  perverted fantasies on other peoples sexual lives.
  
  Yes Osho talked about sexual freedom and repression of sex, but a Guru's 
  words should never be made into a belief.
  
  However the ego wants belief, loves words, excited with a new set of belief 
  and some of the idiotic followers must have made Osho's talks in to a 
  belief and a license to indulge in amoral behavior.
  
  John, you are clearly retarded and sexually repressed, you can't seem to 
  use your discrimination and would rather read between lines for your 
  perverted fantasies.
  
  Then Barry about MMY and groupies, another retard trying to project his 
  repressed sexual desires into perverted fantasies.
  
  Osho had a single girl friend Vivek. I only learned recently on Facebook. 
  For a long time I enjoyed Osho's discourses, never interested in his sexual 
  life because I had my own sexual energy to take care of. Unlike John I was 
  never impotent, thank God !!!
  
  It wouldn't have mattered if he had several, none of my business.
  
  John - I'm sure you are tormented with your repressed thoughts of having 
  sex with multiple women every night..LOL..
  
  
   
 John jr_esq:
  Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he 
  enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without 
  getting married to them.
 
 From what I've read, Osho had sex with a single
 woman, Vivek, for over ten years. Apparently
 he was NOT into having sex with multiple partners.
 
 'Bhagwan: The God That Failed' 
 By Hugh Milne
 St Martin's Press, 1987
 
  He said that his parents did not approve of his 
  chosen path.
  
  Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the 
  traditional life paths available in India. That 
  is, you either get married or become a celebate 
  monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.

   
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[richardwillytexwilliams]

Johnjr_esq:
 If you believe that Osho only had one woman either 
 before or after Vivek, I can sell you the Brooklyn 
 Bridge.
 
Can you present any evidence?

From what I've read, Osho was big on the talk, but
quite small when it came to the action.

'Bhagwan: The God That Failed'
By Hugh Milne
St Martin's Press, 1987

'The Promise of Paradise'
A Woman's Intimate Story of the Perils of Life with
Rajneesh
By Satya Bharti Franklin, 1992

'Breaking the Spell'
My Life as a Rajneeshee and the Long Journey Back
to Freedom
By Jane Stork, 2009

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

Use your common sense.  Watch this clip and weep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... 
wrote:

 
 
 Johnjr_esq:
  If you believe that Osho only had one woman either 
  before or after Vivek, I can sell you the Brooklyn 
  Bridge.
  
 Can you present any evidence?
 
 From what I've read, Osho was big on the talk, but
 quite small when it came to the action.
 
 'Bhagwan: The God That Failed'
 By Hugh Milne
 St Martin's Press, 1987
 
 'The Promise of Paradise'
 A Woman's Intimate Story of the Perils of Life with
 Rajneesh
 By Satya Bharti Franklin, 1992
 
 'Breaking the Spell'
 My Life as a Rajneeshee and the Long Journey Back
 to Freedom
 By Jane Stork, 2009

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[cardemaister]

Well, of  course they can! :o

jahi shatruM, mahaabaaho, 
kaamaruupaM *duraasadam*!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife.  You can 
be enlightened even if you're married.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
 
 There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
 
 There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
 
 Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so 
 often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, 
 no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or 
 suffering.
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without 
getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.

So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free 
from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You 
 can be enlightened even if you're married.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
  
  There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
  
  There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
  
  Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not 
  so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of 
  possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo 
  no pain or suffering.
  
  
  On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   Shri Bhagavan explains.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
   
  
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
 without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
 
 So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free 
 from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You 
  can be enlightened even if you're married.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
   
   There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
   
   There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
   
   Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not 
   so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of 
   possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, 
   ergo no pain or suffering.
   
   
   On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Shri Bhagavan explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related

   
  
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather 
masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than 
Maharishi.


On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
  without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
  free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
   You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously 
not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question 
of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no 
guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOcFfauf9Qfeature=fvwrel



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:46:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather 
masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than 
Maharishi.



On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:



Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
 without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
 
 So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free 
 from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You 
  can be enlightened even if you're married.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
   
   There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
   
   There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
   
   Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously 
   not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of 
   possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, 
   ergo no pain or suffering.
   
   
   On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Shri Bhagavan explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related

   
  
  
 



     

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..


On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:

 Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
 unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather 
 masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than 
 Maharishi.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  
 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
  without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
  free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
   You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously 
not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question 
of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no 
guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of 
losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed 
followers.


On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:

 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
 followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:
 
  
 Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
 unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather 
 masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than 
 Maharishi.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  
 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
  without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
  free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
   You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously 
not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question 
of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no 
guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..



On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:



Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather 
masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than 
Maharishi.



On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  
Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
 without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
 
 So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
 free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
  You can be enlightened even if you're married.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
   
   There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
   
   There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
   
   Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously 
   not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question 
   of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no 
   guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
   
   
   On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Shri Bhagavan explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related

   
  
  
 



     

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHny7QEf7ofeature=related



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:01:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of 
losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed 
followers.



On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:



Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..



On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:


  
Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather 
masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than 
Maharishi.



On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  
Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
 without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
 
 So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
 free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
  You can be enlightened even if you're married.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
   
   There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
   
   There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
   
   Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously 
   not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question 
   of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no 
   guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
   
   
   On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Shri Bhagavan explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related

   
  
  
 



     

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Yifu]

I don't get youtube.  Who in the hell is Sri Bhagavan...some Vaisnava dualist?
http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/store/pop%20marilyn%20mickeysSM.jpg





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
 What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy 
 up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva 
 and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. 
 
 Please John, where do I send my money!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik



From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:25:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



I don't get youtube.  Who in the hell is Sri Bhagavan...some Vaisnava dualist?
http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/store/pop%20marilyn%20mickeysSM.jpg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
 What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy 
 up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva 
 and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. 
 
 Please John, where do I send my money!



   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
 What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy 
 up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva 
 and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. 
 
 Please John, where do I send my money!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Damn I can't load these videos on my iPhone, I will check 'em out later.


On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHny7QEf7ofeature=related
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:01:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of 
 losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed 
 followers.
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:
 
 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
 followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:
 
 
   
 Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
 unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
 rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
 ethics than Maharishi.
 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
   
 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
  without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
  free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
   You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is 
no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no 
shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
 followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
  unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
  rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
  ethics than Maharishi.
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
   
  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
  HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
   without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
   
   So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
   free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
You can be enlightened even if you're married.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
 
 There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
 
 There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
 
 Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
 obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is 
 no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no 
 shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
 


   
  
  
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
 What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy 
 up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva 
 and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. 
 
 Please John, where do I send my money!


Send it to the guy who posted the video.:)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RtXTyfeNAfeature=related



From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:05:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
 What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy 
 up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva 
 and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. 
 
 Please John, where do I send my money!

Send it to the guy who posted the video.:)



   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvYadad-x5Yfeature=related



From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:01:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
 followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
  unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
  rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
  ethics than Maharishi.
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
  
  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
  HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
   without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
   
   So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
   free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
You can be enlightened even if you're married.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
 
 There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
 
 There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
 
 Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
 obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is 
 no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no 
 shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
 


   
  
  
  
 



   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

Bob,

Nice clip.  There's a message in there somewhere.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODlmEjZ8UFA
 
 
 
 From: Vaj vajradhatu@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:18:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote:
 
 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 
 
 What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy 
 up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva 
 and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. 
 
 Please John, where do I send my money!
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

How can a license be bondage free? You were absolutely correct on that first 
statement. 
People like the celibate leader, because they think of Jesus as being celibate 
and how can God or god be part of procreation? No one wants to think about 
their mother or father having sex, so I guess when people want someone to look 
up to, they expect them to be sexless? 
You are correct with the sexually obsessed followers. lol

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of 
 losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed 
 followers.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
  followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
  
   
  Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
  unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
  rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
  ethics than Maharishi.
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
   
  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
  HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
   without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
   
   So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
   free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not 
   so?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your 
wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
 
 There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
 
 There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
 
 Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
 obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is 
 no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, 
 no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
 


   
  
  
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[obbajeeba]

Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: 
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
 followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
 
 
 Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
 unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather 
 masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than 
 Maharishi.
 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
   
 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
  without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
  free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
   You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously 
not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question 
of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no 
guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 
     

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

I have no clue what his path is.

Can you please summarize?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
  followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
  
   Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
   unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
   rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
   ethics than Maharishi.
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   
   
   Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
   HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.

So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which 
is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is 
not so?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your 
 wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
  
  There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
  
  There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
  
  Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
  obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there 
  is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by 
  it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
  
  
  On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   Shri Bhagavan explains.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
   
  
 
 

   
   
   
  
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

I don't know.. I'm getting concerned for Bob, he has stopped using words 
altogether, dealing primarily in videos, pictures. Is this some kind of 
spiritual discipline he is following? Is the wife responsible for this? Many 
questions that are tormenting me.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: 
 Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
 
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related
  
  
  
  From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  
  
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
  followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
  
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
  
  
  
  Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
  unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
  rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
  ethics than Maharishi.
  
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
  
  Â  
  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
  HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
   without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
   
   So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
   free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not 
   so?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your 
wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
 
 There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
 
 There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
 
 Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
 obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is 
 no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, 
 no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
 


   
  
  
  
  Â  Â 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[John]

Osho was into tantra to get enlightened.  As such, he enjoyed having sex with 
women in his ashram without getting married to them.  He said that his parents 
did not approve of his chosen path.

Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
available in India.  That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk 
in the Himalayas or an ashram.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 I have no clue what his path is.
 
 Can you please summarize?
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
   followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him 
go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I 
would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals 
and ethics than Maharishi.


On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have 
 sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
 
 So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which 
 is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is 
 not so?
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your 
  wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
   
   There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
   
   There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
   
   Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
   obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there 
   is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by 
   it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
   
   
   On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Shri Bhagavan explains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related

   
  
  
 



   
  
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl 
friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. 
Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.

Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a 
conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, 
Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.

Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual 
lives? 



On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with 
 women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his parents 
 did not approve of his chosen path.
 
 Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
 available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk 
 in the Himalayas or an ashram.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  I have no clue what his path is.
  
  Can you please summarize?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..


On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him 
 go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I 
 would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, 
 morals and ethics than Maharishi.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have 
  sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the 
  priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, 
  which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs 
  approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your 
   wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 
   wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all 
:-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, 
there is no question of possession, no question of getting 
consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 

   
   
  
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

raviy...@att.net


snip

Is the wife responsible for this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:54:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



I don't know.. I'm getting concerned for Bob, he has stopped using words 
altogether, dealing primarily in videos, pictures. Is this some kind of 
spiritual discipline he is following? Is the wife responsible for this? Many 
questions that are tormenting me.


On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:



Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: 
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 
 
 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
 followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
 
 
 Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
 unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
 rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
 ethics than Maharishi.
 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
   
 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
  without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is 
  free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. 
   You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is 
no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no 
shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 
  Â   



     

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

Don't bother John.

I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually 
repressed.

A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, 
internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame.

After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John?

He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't  try to 
repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, 
condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person who 
talks about sex as morally depraved playboy.

He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous sexual 
energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for Mother 
Kundalini. 

Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like the 
Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists turned 
closet abusers.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:

 Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl 
 friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. 
 Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.
 
 Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a 
 conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
 conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, 
 Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.
 
 Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual 
 lives? 
 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with 
 women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his 
 parents did not approve of his chosen path.
 
 Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
 available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate 
 monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  I have no clue what his path is.
  
  Can you please summarize?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..


On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let 
 him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me 
 I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, 
 morals and ethics than Maharishi.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
 HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals 
  have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the 
  priests.
  
  So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, 
  which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs 
  approval is not so?
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with 
   your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 
   wrote:
   
Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all 
:-)

There is lust, no pain, no suffering.

There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.

Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, 
there is no question of possession, no question of getting 
consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Shri Bhagavan explains.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
 

   
   
  
 
 
 

   
   
  
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

LOL...


On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 raviy...@att.net
 
 snip
 
 Is the wife responsible for this
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:54:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
 
 I don't know.. I'm getting concerned for Bob, he has stopped using words 
 altogether, dealing primarily in videos, pictures. Is this some kind of 
 spiritual discipline he is following? Is the wife responsible for this? Many 
 questions that are tormenting me.
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: 
 Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
 
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related
  
  
  
  From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
  
  
  
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their 
  followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
  
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
  
  
  
  Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go 
  unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would 
  rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and 
  ethics than Maharishi.
  
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
  
  Â  
  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
  HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex 
   without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests.
   
   So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which 
   is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is 
   not so?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your 
wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-)
 
 There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
 
 There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
 
 Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
 obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there 
 is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by 
 it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering.
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
  
 


   
  
  
  
   Â  Â 
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Yifu]

sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 2. 
SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody knows 
for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others.
...
Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor 
sexually repressed. There are more categories than that.
...
http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Don't bother John.
 
 I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually 
 repressed.
 
 A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, 
 internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame.
 
 After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John?
 
 He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't  try to 
 repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, 
 condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person who 
 talks about sex as morally depraved playboy.
 
 He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous sexual 
 energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for Mother 
 Kundalini. 
 
 Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like 
 the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists 
 turned closet abusers.
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl 
  friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it 
  all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.
  
  Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a 
  conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
  conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, 
  Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.
  
  Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual 
  lives? 
  
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
   
  Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex 
  with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his 
  parents did not approve of his chosen path.
  
  Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
  available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate 
  monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   I have no clue what his path is.
   
   Can you please summarize?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of 
 their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let 
  him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust 
  me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, 
  style, morals and ethics than Maharishi.
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
  wrote:
  
  
  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
  HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals 
   have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or 
   the priests.
   
   So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, 
   which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs 
   approval is not so?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with 
your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 
wrote:

 Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at 
 all :-)
 
 There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
 
 There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
 
 Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though 
 obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, 
 there is no question of possession, no question of getting 
 consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or 
 suffering.
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Shri Bhagavan explains.
  
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

So what are those categories Yifuji?

Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks or 
frauds.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote:

 sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 2. 
 SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody 
 knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others.
 ...
 Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor 
 sexually repressed. There are more categories than that.
 ...
 http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Don't bother John.
  
  I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually 
  repressed.
  
  A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, 
  internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame.
  
  After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John?
  
  He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't try to 
  repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, 
  condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person 
  who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy.
  
  He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous 
  sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for 
  Mother Kundalini. 
  
  Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like 
  the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists 
  turned closet abusers.
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
  
   Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one 
   girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree 
   with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.
   
   Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a 
   conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
   conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, 
   Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.
   
   Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's 
   sexual lives? 
   
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
   
   
   Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex 
   with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that 
   his parents did not approve of his chosen path.
   
   Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
   available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate 
   monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
I have no clue what his path is.

Can you please summarize?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of 
  their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to 
   let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. 
   Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in 
   beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi.
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
   wrote:
   
   
   Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
   HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 
   wrote:
   
LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals 
have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or 
the priests.

So you seriously believe and think he said that 
enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and 
effect now needs approval is not so?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with 
 your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 
 wrote:
 
  Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at 
  all :-)
  
  There is lust, no pain, no suffering.
  
  There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering.
  
  Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger 
  though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just 
  animal like, there is no 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Ravi Yogi]

OK Yifuji you bring your Ramana and we will approach an average Joe, say Joe 
the plumber.

We will show him Ramana, the sickly, clearly starving, lifeless, life 
abnegating guy that any beautiful girl will be obviously be disgusted at.

Then we will have Ravi Yogi, the fun playful, enjoying life, totally at ease at 
a nightclub or temple, with a beautiful girl in tow.

Let your Ramana do his magic and I will do mine.

Let's see who Joe the plumber chooses, the pathetic Ramana or the playful Ravi.

P.S - So when are you moving to India, to enjoy the poverty, the heat, the dust?

I'm starting a citizen exchange program, all pacifist liberal commies to be 
exchanged for fun, American loving wannabe materialistic yogis and  yoginis. 
Absolutely free of cost for the lazy utopian liberals, smelly, never ever 
bathed bums quite welcome as well.


On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:

 So what are those categories Yifuji?
 
 Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks 
 or frauds.
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 
 2. SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody 
 knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others.
 ...
 Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor 
 sexually repressed. There are more categories than that.
 ...
 http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Don't bother John.
  
  I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually 
  repressed.
  
  A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, 
  internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame.
  
  After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John?
  
  He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't try to 
  repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, 
  condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person 
  who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy.
  
  He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous 
  sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for 
  Mother Kundalini. 
  
  Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like 
  the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists 
  turned closet abusers.
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
  
   Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one 
   girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree 
   with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.
   
   Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you 
   a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
   conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with 
   sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.
   
   Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's 
   sexual lives? 
   
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
   
   
   Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex 
   with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that 
   his parents did not approve of his chosen path.
   
   Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
   available in India. That is, you either get married or become a 
   celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
I have no clue what his path is.

Can you please summarize?


On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of 
  their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to 
   let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. 
   Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in 
   beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi.
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba 
   no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   
   
   Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
   HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 
   wrote:
   
LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other 
mortals have sex without getting licensed from the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKPYe53h78feature=related



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:38:52 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?



OK Yifuji you bring your Ramana and we will approach an average Joe, say Joe 
the plumber.

We will show him Ramana, the sickly, clearly starving, lifeless, life 
abnegating guy that any beautiful girl will be obviously be disgusted at.

Then we will have Ravi Yogi, the fun playful, enjoying life, totally at ease at 
a nightclub or temple, with a beautiful girl in tow.

Let your Ramana do his magic and I will do mine.

Let's see who Joe the plumber chooses, the pathetic Ramana or the playful Ravi.

P.S - So when are you moving to India, to enjoy the poverty, the heat, the dust?

I'm starting a citizen exchange program, all pacifist liberal commies to be 
exchanged for fun, American loving wannabe materialistic yogis and  yoginis. 
Absolutely free of cost for the lazy utopian liberals, smelly, never ever 
bathed bums quite welcome as well.


On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:



So what are those categories Yifuji?


Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks 
or frauds.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote:


  
sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 2. 
SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody 
knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others.
...
Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor 
sexually repressed. There are more categories than that.
...
http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Don't bother John.
 
 I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually 
 repressed.
 
 A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, 
 internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame.
 
 After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John?
 
 He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't  try to 
 repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, 
 condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person 
 who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy.
 
 He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous 
 sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for 
 Mother Kundalini. 
 
 Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like 
 the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists 
 turned closet abusers.
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one 
  girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree 
  with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well.
  
  Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a 
  conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a 
  conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, 
  Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well.
  
  Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's 
  sexual lives? 
  
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote:
  
  
  Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex 
  with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that 
  his parents did not approve of his chosen path.
  
  Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths 
  available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate 
  monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   I have no clue what his path is.
   
   Can you please summarize?
   
   
   On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of 
 their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms..
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to 
  let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. 
  Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in 
  beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi.
  
  
  On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
  wrote:
  
  
  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi!
  HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada