[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Right, well this is how most such groups, including of course the TMO, keep followers intact and funds flowing inward. Stigmatize any kind of straying from the core group. Personally speaking, retting rid of the overt influence of the TMO was one of the most freeing things I've ever done in my life. Re: 'Off the program'. I met a person at the recent Karunamayi silent meditation retreat who at the end of the retreat commented that friends would 'freak out' and be quite 'upset' with this person if they knew this person had come to the retreat. There were a lot of people from the greater NYC/New England area from different spiritual practices and movements at the retreat. I asked this particular individual what they meant and how the 'friends' with their spiritual group would 'language' that this person was coming to a meditation retreat and being with another teacher.. (?) The answer given was there would be a judgment of being “irresponsible” and a “failing in completion” of their personal work as taught by their group. The young Nityananda has been around the NY metro area for some time and has a following there. In contrast this summer this individual went to public meetings with Karunamayi and then Ammachi too in NYC. This person has been part of the Nityananda group for many years, been to India with them, and has a network of long friendships within that group. This person in reflection was saying to others at the meditation retreat to have never had a meditation or experiences like what was going on with the retreat. The Nityananda thing evidently is not meditative and is a lot psychological. Evidently a straying “off the program” was becoming.. 'Irresponsible' and 'Failing in Completion'. ..'Off-the-Program'! or an awakening of sorts. -JaiGuruYou
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y...@yahoo.com wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
And, the movement hosted a Guru Purnima too in Fairfield. In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
The post in question (Doug's) looks perfectly clear to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y2k5@... wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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Yes, I also enjoy the different perspective, discussed without devolving into the venom, as you say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? Haha, I'm surprised you missed all that. Barry often referred to the lurking reporters in all seriousness at FFL when talking about why he wrote what he wrote and why he pushed people's buttons. It was all for the famous, secret, all-powerful and influential lurking reporters. Obviously, it has become the standing joke over here since then. I'm not sure of the Fair enougj but I think it might have been something I started to write at some point in my response to you and when I went back to highlight my text there it was but it didn't look like I would have written that there and didn't want to erase it in case you had posted that. Or maybe it's the FFL ghosts... But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale. geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y2k5@... wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. The fact that he is taking the time to respond is characteristic of reasonableness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Of course, I rather envision Doug riding at a more leisurely (as in slow) pace, maybe even enjoying a little pipe tobacco along the way. (-: Any Esperanza speakers here? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale. geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y2k5@... wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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I hope we can keep it going. We don't have too many crossovers (-: Along those lines, do you think xeno has some chameleon dna inim? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. The fact that he is taking the time to respond is characteristic of reasonableness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
It may be dangerous out in the real world, where you live. But, Doug lives in proximity to hundreds of marauding pandits who provide a bubble of Support of Nature which prevents such things from happening. Additionally, his backup plan, i.e., his choice of Icelandic horses, means he's not all that far from the ground. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I can exhale now. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : It may be dangerous out in the real world, where you live. But, Doug lives in proximity to hundreds of marauding pandits who provide a bubble of Support of Nature which prevents such things from happening. Additionally, his backup plan, i.e., his choice of Icelandic horses, means he's not all that far from the ground. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I hope we can keep it going. I'm enjoying the interaction with him. I welcome different opinions as long as they don't come with a side dish of offal. We don't have too many crossovers (-: Along those lines, do you think xeno has some chameleon dna inim? (-: I personally think he might be related to the little robot who met his demise in Philly last week. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. The fact that he is taking the time to respond is characteristic of reasonableness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : It may be dangerous out in the real world, where you live. But, Doug lives in proximity to hundreds of marauding pandits who provide a bubble of Support of Nature which prevents such things from happening. Additionally, his backup plan, i.e., his choice of Icelandic horses, means he's not all that far from the ground. Funny you should say that about the Icelandics, I was thinking the exact same thing myself. I also received this photo sent anonymously to me from FF. It was taken after having drunk one too many sweet lassis during the recent Guru Purnima celebration. . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale.
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Re: 'Off the program'. I met a person at the recent Karunamayi silent meditation retreat who at the end of the retreat commented that friends would 'freak out' and be quite 'upset' with this person if they knew this person had come to the retreat. There were a lot of people from the greater NYC/New England area from different spiritual practices and movements at the retreat. I asked this particular individual what they meant and how the 'friends' with their spiritual group would 'language' that this person was coming to a meditation retreat and being with another teacher.. (?) The answer given was there would be a judgment of being “irresponsible” and a “failing in completion” of their personal work as taught by their group. The young Nityananda has been around the NY metro area for some time and has a following there. In contrast this summer this individual went to public meetings with Karunamayi and then Ammachi too in NYC. This person has been part of the Nityananda group for many years, been to India with them, and has a network of long friendships within that group. This person in reflection was saying to others at the meditation retreat to have never had a meditation or experiences like what was going on with the retreat. The Nityananda thing evidently is not meditative and is a lot psychological. Evidently a straying “off the program” was becoming.. 'Irresponsible' and 'Failing in Completion'. ..'Off-the-Program'! or an awakening of sorts. -JaiGuruYou And, the movement hosted a Guru Purnima too in Fairfield. In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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Yes, I saw the Scientology documentary, and yes there are similarities between Scientology and TMO in terms of their cultist aspects, and quite a few more differences, I'd say. I spent a good eight years (from late teens to early 20's) totally immersed in the cause, and yes I do enjoy rehashing my experience, both good and bad. But, this interest in what happened then and what is happening now often takes the form of a continual bashing of everything about it, both now and then. And, even that is not so bad if you can manage to do it without a lot of distortion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : I've seen these kinds of comments from R and others over the years. Basically it boils down to it was years ago, what's yer problem, get over it! Why is this so hard to understand? We (those of us who were knee deep into the TMO during the 70s and early 80s) spent the better part of our 20s and 30s 100% committed to the cause. 100%. When others were moving on with their lives and starting their professional careers, we were in the trenches, doing our part for world peace and whatever else MMY told us to do. I personally know people in the 108 who lost their entire savings paying their way to be there. (NOTHING was given mind you, it was pay as you go.) Once MMY knew you were out of money he was done with you. You were of no use to him anymore. Could I say well, that was their Karma, MMY was actually helping them to evolve, so what if they're now penniless and stranded? I did, many times. Did I eventually allow myself to think that he mopped up these peoples savings like a sponge and then spit them out? Yes. Have you seen the recent documentary on Scientology called Going Clear? I strongly suggest it for anyone who was ever head over heals into a cult. Does it seem strange to you that those who gave their lives over to Scientology and got out are still processing what happened to them while in? Why does it seem so alien to you that those who spent their formative 20s and 30s in the TMO trenches would still have an interest in what happened then and in what is happening now? What's also sort of interesting, Ann, is that for many, over the years, their opinion of MMY and the TMO becomes more and more diminished to the point that he is totally insignificant, but yet, here they are, seven days a week talking about him, and his organization. Maybe Nabby was right, that he was the most important figure in their lives.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, I saw the Scientology documentary, and yes there are similarities between Scientology and TMO in terms of their cultist aspects, and quite a few more differences, I'd say. I spent a good eight years (from late teens to early 20's) totally immersed in the cause, and yes I do enjoy rehashing my experience, both good and bad. But, this interest in what happened then and what is happening now often takes the form of a continual bashing of everything about it, both now and then. And, even that is not so bad if you can manage to do it without a lot of distortion. I really think, based on those who post here or used to, that one's compulsion to continually harp on about the Movement and its dead guru were the ones who fell hook, line and sinker for all of it. I am not sure there is one alleged fact of what MMY did or didn't do posted here that has not been posted or heard about numerous times before. I get it: some will support the Movement and MMY's memory in an ongoing way and others will continue to drone on about it negatively forever more. I have asked this question once and I will, rhetorically, ask it again. Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Did anyone saying MMY is a great guy change the opinion of the other guy who says he was a fraud? Did the person who holds to their stance that they have had great experiences with TM and its founder ever read a negative review here and suddenly realize what their experiences were and how they perceived MMY was all bunk? I'm thinking I know the answer to that but I could be wrong. Srijau could be reassessing everything as we speak based on Geezerfreak's thoughtful and studied recent posts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : I've seen these kinds of comments from R and others over the years. Basically it boils down to it was years ago, what's yer problem, get over it! Why is this so hard to understand? We (those of us who were knee deep into the TMO during the 70s and early 80s) spent the better part of our 20s and 30s 100% committed to the cause. 100%. When others were moving on with their lives and starting their professional careers, we were in the trenches, doing our part for world peace and whatever else MMY told us to do. I personally know people in the 108 who lost their entire savings paying their way to be there. (NOTHING was given mind you, it was pay as you go.) Once MMY knew you were out of money he was done with you. You were of no use to him anymore. Could I say well, that was their Karma, MMY was actually helping them to evolve, so what if they're now penniless and stranded? I did, many times. Did I eventually allow myself to think that he mopped up these peoples savings like a sponge and then spit them out? Yes. Have you seen the recent documentary on Scientology called Going Clear? I strongly suggest it for anyone who was ever head over heals into a cult. Does it seem strange to you that those who gave their lives over to Scientology and got out are still processing what happened to them while in? Why does it seem so alien to you that those who spent their formative 20s and 30s in the TMO trenches would still have an interest in what happened then and in what is happening now? What's also sort of interesting, Ann, is that for many, over the years, their opinion of MMY and the TMO becomes more and more diminished to the point that he is totally insignificant, but yet, here they are, seven days a week talking about him, and his organization. Maybe Nabby was right, that he was the most important figure in their lives.
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More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
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More tomorrow but WTF is this? I didn't write Fair Enougj below. Aside from that, you think I have some kind or cognition about who is reading here? Lurking reporters? Jumping to conclusions much??? Let's cut to the chase: should I just keep my opinions to myself? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
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In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou
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Absolutely true and understandable. On the other hand, so many comment venues have shut down for pretty much the same reason. People disagree, and pretty soon their disagreements become vendettas, and before you know it, anything goes. Takes place on both sides of an issue, but some seem more comfortable slinging the shit, let's say. They become known for it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : I, on the other hand, remain interested in discussing a group and its leader who I devoted large parts of my 20s and early 30s to serving. Let me put it another way: do you find it odd that the alma mater of a university find ways to stay connected and discuss their shared experience?
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My responses in blue below: I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? No, that's not it. Do you actually think I am a supporter of MMY and the Movement after all I have posted here over the few years I have been around? I am not a detractor of TM and what MMY did in his life doesn't really interest me because I never swore my allegiance to him either as TM teacher, governor or any other name you want to give to those who spent a lot more time and dedication than I did to The Movement and to him as guru. I don't care if people think he's a fraud or that the Movement tight asses are imbeciles and power hungry or whatever it is that people think. Others here might just as those who are detractors care that people don't necessarily feel the same way they do. I did TM, learned the Siddhis and graduated from MIU but I had no interest in following MMY or devoting my life to never-ending rounding and teaching the technique so if you think I'm someone who can't hear negative opinions about it all then you aren't understanding slightly what I have been saying for three years. Where did I accuse you of being a supporter of MMY and the TMO? I get it that your experience with both was completely different from mine, and that you have apparently little interest in discussions about the negative aspects of both. Cool. I'm not writing my very occasional comments here strictly for you. I'm writing them for me and for others who might find them useful. Here's the deal, if you want that perspective you have it in spades with the official TMO sites, and, increasingly, what is left of this one. See above. This site was created by Rick to provide a place for those with varying opinions about their time in the TMO or with TM in general to be able to speak freely. I guess so, I've only been here a short time. I will admit TM and what is happening with regard to it or the Movement doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm past all that as of 30 years ago. Again, that's great for you. I would ask why you would spend your time on a site that mostly exists for those who do want to discuss these things. I, on the other hand, remain interested in discussing a group and its leader who I devoted large parts of my 20s and early 30s to serving. Let me put it another way: do you find it odd that the alma mater of a university find ways to stay connected and discuss their shared experience? Now, on to your question: Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Hard to believe you are actually serious in posing this but perhaps you just haven't been reading FFL long enough or paying attention. Perhaps not long enough, but I've been paying attention. So far, I haven't noted anyone having any Eureka experience based on someone else's counter argument. I think people have learned some stuff, facts, events or come to understand the character of others on the site but actually changing their mind, no I have not. You can't even get others to change their opinion about whether a book or movie was good or not, let alone their opinion about whether God exists or religion is valid or not. Again I have to ask why you then take the time to log on and read posts on a site that apparently has so little interest for you? Do I have time to pull out all the examples of folk who have changed their perceptions of the TMO or MMY as a result of the information they read here? No, someone who has a lot more time on their hands than I do can fill in the many blanks for you. But I will give you one. There were many here who found the idea of MMY having multiple sexual partners back in the day difficult to comprehend. One of these was Judy from what I recall. But as accounts began to pile up and be reported here, and as Judy began to learn of more accounts that have yet to be reported due to privacy concerns, her feelings about this having happened evolved. But did this change her opinion about MMY? Yes, as a matter of fact it did. Did she go from feeling he was enlightened and a holy person to now believing he was unenlightened and a fraud? You'd have to ask her that but it most definitely humanized him in a not very flattering way for her. I am not saying people haven't learned some info on stuff but has it changed their essential stance in a major or important way? For some, yes. Have they made a 180 degree turnabout? For some, yes. You don't have time to answer that so I will leave that question to stand -rhetorical as it may be. There are many more, 100s more examples of people whose perceptions changed as a result of what they read here over the years. If you say so. Yes, I say so. If you are really that interested in this go back and read through FFL over the years to see for yourself. Not that interested enough to do that. So
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : My responses in blue below: I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? No, that's not it. Do you actually think I am a supporter of MMY and the Movement after all I have posted here over the few years I have been around? I am not a detractor of TM and what MMY did in his life doesn't really interest me because I never swore my allegiance to him either as TM teacher, governor or any other name you want to give to those who spent a lot more time and dedication than I did to The Movement and to him as guru. I don't care if people think he's a fraud or that the Movement tight asses are imbeciles and power hungry or whatever it is that people think. Others here might just as those who are detractors care that people don't necessarily feel the same way they do. I did TM, learned the Siddhis and graduated from MIU but I had no interest in following MMY or devoting my life to never-ending rounding and teaching the technique so if you think I'm someone who can't hear negative opinions about it all then you aren't understanding slightly what I have been saying for three years. Where did I accuse you of being a supporter of MMY and the TMO? You implied it when you said So unless you have something nice to about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? This implies that I favor MMY and the TMO and don't want to hear anything negative about it. I get it that your experience with both was completely different from mine, and that you have apparently little interest in discussions about the negative aspects of both. Cool. I'm not writing my very occasional comments here strictly for you. I understand that and never indicated that you were. It all stemmed from my wondering what the motivation was behind why you were basically repeating what many have repeated here over and over. I'm writing them for me and for others who might find them useful. But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj Here's the deal, if you want that perspective you have it in spades with the official TMO sites, and, increasingly, what is left of this one. See above. This site was created by Rick to provide a place for those with varying opinions about their time in the TMO or with TM in general to be able to speak freely. I guess so, I've only been here a short time. I will admit TM and what is happening with regard to it or the Movement doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm past all that as of 30 years ago. Again, that's great for you. I would ask why you would spend your time on a site that mostly exists for those who do want to discuss these things. So you say but this site is far from what it started out to be and you know it. Why do you spend your time here? Because you want to enlighten people on the shortcomings of the TMO? It's all been said before. What does it accomplish? Maybe it is therapy for you and I respect that. I, on the other hand, remain interested in discussing a group and its leader who I devoted large parts of my 20s and early 30s to serving. Let me put it another way: do you find it odd that the alma mater of a university find ways to stay connected and discuss their shared experience? But you are not really sharing. You are trying to get a rise out of people here who you know are still happy with what MMY did, who he was and apparently are fine with the TMO. You aren't addressing those who would agree with you because you don't post here enough to be a regular. Because I have seen you reference stuff from FFL2 over here I would imagine you're preaching to the choir over there but that isn't that much fun because it doesn't go anywhere; everyone just nods and smiles. Now, on to your question: Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Hard to believe you are actually serious in posing this but perhaps you just haven't been reading FFL long enough or paying attention. Perhaps not long enough, but I've been paying attention. So far, I haven't noted anyone having any Eureka experience based on someone else's counter argument. I think people have learned some stuff, facts, events or come to understand the character of others on the site but actually changing their mind, no I have not. You can't even get others to change their opinion about whether a book or movie was good or not, let alone their opinion about whether God exists or religion is valid or not. Again I have to ask why you then take the time to log on and read posts on a site that apparently has so little interest for you? What makes you think that? I find all sorts of things interesting.
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it helps geez, in my opinion to keep the dialog honest. what you describe below, has been helpful for many in sorting out their experience in the TMO. It's been that way for me, and I suspect, Ann. What happens though, is that after enough times of being accused of being a cult apologist, or a true believer, or a cunt too stupid to live, you sort of sour on the whole concept as laid out by the founding father. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? Here's the deal, if you want that perspective you have it in spades with the official TMO sites, and, increasingly, what is left of this one. This site was created by Rick to provide a place for those with varying opinions about their time in the TMO or with TM in general to be able to speak freely. Now, on to your question: Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Hard to believe you are actually serious in posing this but perhaps you just haven't been reading FFL long enough or paying attention. Do I have time to pull out all the examples of folk who have changed their perceptions of the TMO or MMY as a result of the information they read here? No, someone who has a lot more time on their hands than I do can fill in the many blanks for you. But I will give you one. There were many here who found the idea of MMY having multiple sexual partners back in the day difficult to comprehend. One of these was Judy from what I recall. But as accounts began to pile up and be reported here, and as Judy began to learn of more accounts that have yet to be reported due to privacy concerns, her feelings about this having happened evolved. There are many more, 100s more examples of people whose perceptions changed as a result of what they read here over the years. If you are really that interested in this go back and read through FFL over the years to see for yourself. Do I hate meditation? Hardly, I enjoy it and do it every day. Do I dislike the way the TMO often conducts itself? Yes, I do. Will I continue to speak up about it when I have the time to spend here and at FFL2? Yes, I will. Is that OK with you? I really think, based on those who post here or used to, that one's compulsion to continually harp on about the Movement and its dead guru were the ones who fell hook, line and sinker for all of it. I am not sure there is one alleged fact of what MMY did or didn't do posted here that has not been posted or heard about numerous times before. I get it: some will support the Movement and MMY's memory in an ongoing way and others will continue to drone on about it negatively forever more. I have asked this question once and I will, rhetorically, ask it again. Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Did anyone saying MMY is a great guy change the opinion of the other guy who says he was a fraud? Did the person who holds to their stance that they have had great experiences with TM and its founder ever read a negative review here and suddenly realize what their experiences were and how they perceived MMY was all bunk? I'm thinking I know the answer to that but I could be wrong. Srijau could be reassessing everything as we speak based on Geezerfreak's thoughtful and studied recent posts.
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Actually Ann, I reflected on this a bit today amidst the hussle and bussle. You would think that 38 years after someone left an organization, their comments about that organization may become less, instead of more. I don't know what you chalk that up to. Perhaps geez, or someone with a background in psychology can shed some light on the subject. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I really think, based on those who post here or used to, that one's compulsion to continually harp on about the Movement and its dead guru were the ones who fell hook, line and sinker for all of it. I am not sure there is one alleged fact of what MMY did or didn't do posted here that has not been posted or heard about numerous times before. I get it: some will support the Movement and MMY's memory in an ongoing way and others will continue to drone on about it negatively forever more. I have asked this question once and I will, rhetorically, ask it again. Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Did anyone saying MMY is a great guy change the opinion of the other guy who says he was a fraud? Did the person who holds to their stance that they have had great experiences with TM and its founder ever read a negative review here and suddenly realize what their experiences were and how they perceived MMY was all bunk? I'm thinking I know the answer to that but I could be wrong. Srijau could be reassessing everything as we speak based on Geezerfreak's thoughtful and studied recent posts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : I've seen these kinds of comments from R and others over the years. Basically it boils down to it was years ago, what's yer problem, get over it! Why is this so hard to understand? We (those of us who were knee deep into the TMO during the 70s and early 80s) spent the better part of our 20s and 30s 100% committed to the cause. 100%. When others were moving on with their lives and starting their professional careers, we were in the trenches, doing our part for world peace and whatever else MMY told us to do. I personally know people in the 108 who lost their entire savings paying their way to be there. (NOTHING was given mind you, it was pay as you go.) Once MMY knew you were out of money he was done with you. You were of no use to him anymore. Could I say well, that was their Karma, MMY was actually helping them to evolve, so what if they're now penniless and stranded? I did, many times. Did I eventually allow myself to think that he mopped up these peoples savings like a sponge and then spit them out? Yes. Have you seen the recent documentary on Scientology called Going Clear? I strongly suggest it for anyone who was ever head over heals into a cult. Does it seem strange to you that those who gave their lives over to Scientology and got out are still processing what happened to them while in? Why does it seem so alien to you that those who spent their formative 20s and 30s in the TMO trenches would still have an interest in what happened then and in what is happening now? What's also sort of interesting, Ann, is that for many, over the years, their opinion of MMY and the TMO becomes more and more diminished to the point that he is totally insignificant, but yet, here they are, seven days a week talking about him, and his organization. Maybe Nabby was right, that he was the most important figure in their lives.
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I would say that God is a motionless silent field like the Absolute and the perception of God would not burn your eyes out. Being close to someone rooted in that should give a person a sense of calm. On 08/03/2015 09:22 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maharishi wasn't God.Maybe, probably, enlightened. You could have handled his darshan, no problem. I sat on many courses with him, some times daily or nightly, frequently within a few feet of him. If he was enlightened, which I like to,think he was, his darshan was tempered by his leshavidya. I kind of think of looking at God would be like looking directly into the sun, it'll burn your eyes. Looking at an enlightened master would be more like looking into the full moon.A reflection of the sun but cooled down. *From:* sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? Here's the deal, if you want that perspective you have it in spades with the official TMO sites, and, increasingly, what is left of this one. This site was created by Rick to provide a place for those with varying opinions about their time in the TMO or with TM in general to be able to speak freely. Now, on to your question: Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Hard to believe you are actually serious in posing this but perhaps you just haven't been reading FFL long enough or paying attention. Do I have time to pull out all the examples of folk who have changed their perceptions of the TMO or MMY as a result of the information they read here? No, someone who has a lot more time on their hands than I do can fill in the many blanks for you. But I will give you one. There were many here who found the idea of MMY having multiple sexual partners back in the day difficult to comprehend. One of these was Judy from what I recall. But as accounts began to pile up and be reported here, and as Judy began to learn of more accounts that have yet to be reported due to privacy concerns, her feelings about this having happened evolved. There are many more, 100s more examples of people whose perceptions changed as a result of what they read here over the years. If you are really that interested in this go back and read through FFL over the years to see for yourself. Do I hate meditation? Hardly, I enjoy it and do it every day. Do I dislike the way the TMO often conducts itself? Yes, I do. Will I continue to speak up about it when I have the time to spend here and at FFL2? Yes, I will. Is that OK with you? I really think, based on those who post here or used to, that one's compulsion to continually harp on about the Movement and its dead guru were the ones who fell hook, line and sinker for all of it. I am not sure there is one alleged fact of what MMY did or didn't do posted here that has not been posted or heard about numerous times before. I get it: some will support the Movement and MMY's memory in an ongoing way and others will continue to drone on about it negatively forever more. I have asked this question once and I will, rhetorically, ask it again. Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Did anyone saying MMY is a great guy change the opinion of the other guy who says he was a fraud? Did the person who holds to their stance that they have had great experiences with TM and its founder ever read a negative review here and suddenly realize what their experiences were and how they perceived MMY was all bunk? I'm thinking I know the answer to that but I could be wrong. Srijau could be reassessing everything as we speak based on Geezerfreak's thoughtful and studied recent posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Thanks for your reply. I have a few things to add: I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? No, that's not it. Do you actually think I am a supporter of MMY and the Movement after all I have posted here over the few years I have been around? I am not a detractor of TM and what MMY did in his life doesn't really interest me because I never swore my allegiance to him either as TM teacher, governor or any other name you want to give to those who spent a lot more time and dedication than I did to The Movement and to him as guru. I don't care if people think he's a fraud or that the Movement tight asses are imbeciles and power hungry or whatever it is that people think. Others here might just as those who are detractors care that people don't necessarily feel the same way they do. I did TM, learned the Siddhis and graduated from MIU but I had no interest in following MMY or devoting my life to never-ending rounding and teaching the technique so if you think I'm someone who can't hear negative opinions about it all then you aren't understanding slightly what I have been saying for three years. Here's the deal, if you want that perspective you have it in spades with the official TMO sites, and, increasingly, what is left of this one. See above. This site was created by Rick to provide a place for those with varying opinions about their time in the TMO or with TM in general to be able to speak freely. I guess so, I've only been here a short time. I will admit TM and what is happening with regard to it or the Movement doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm past all that as of 30 years ago. Now, on to your question: Has anyone here actually changed the mind of someone, really altered their stance, on anything here at FFL? Hard to believe you are actually serious in posing this but perhaps you just haven't been reading FFL long enough or paying attention. Perhaps not long enough, but I've been paying attention. So far, I haven't noted anyone having any Eureka experience based on someone else's counter argument. I think people have learned some stuff, facts, events or come to understand the character of others on the site but actually changing their mind, no I have not. You can't even get others to change their opinion about whether a book or movie was good or not, let alone their opinion about whether God exists or religion is valid or not. Do I have time to pull out all the examples of folk who have changed their perceptions of the TMO or MMY as a result of the information they read here? No, someone who has a lot more time on their hands than I do can fill in the many blanks for you. But I will give you one. There were many here who found the idea of MMY having multiple sexual partners back in the day difficult to comprehend. One of these was Judy from what I recall. But as accounts began to pile up and be reported here, and as Judy began to learn of more accounts that have yet to be reported due to privacy concerns, her feelings about this having happened evolved. But did this change her opinion about MMY? Did she go from feeling he was enlightened and a holy person to now believing he was unenlightened and a fraud? I am not saying people haven't learned some info on stuff but has it changed their essential stance in a major or important way? Have they made a 180 degree turnabout? You don't have time to answer that so I will leave that question to stand -rhetorical as it may be. There are many more, 100s more examples of people whose perceptions changed as a result of what they read here over the years. If you say so. If you are really that interested in this go back and read through FFL over the years to see for yourself. Not that interested enough to do that. So far, I haven't seen any in three years and my point, originally to you a few posts ago, was what is your reason for trying to invalidate Srijau's experience with your opinions? Are you hoping to change his mind? What I am saying is you can't change his mind by simply throwing MMY's shortcomings in his face just as he isn't going to change your estimation of MMY by telling you about how he disagrees with you. Do I hate meditation? Hardly, I enjoy it and do it every day. Nice to know but irrelevant. Do I dislike the way the TMO often conducts itself? Yes, I do. Will I continue to speak up about it when I have the time to spend here and at FFL2? Yes, I will. Is that OK with you? Sure, but maybe ask yourself why. I guess it's because you can. I really think, based on those who post here or used to, that one's compulsion to continually harp on about the Movement and its dead guru were the ones who fell hook, line and sinker for all of it. I am not sure there is one alleged fact of what MMY did or didn't do posted
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Went to the Guru Purnima held by the local TM Center which was a pot luck event at the vastu home of one our members. It was fun. About 30 people, mostly older teachers but some younger members too. Came for the puja which is always powerful in a Shakti sense. Boring video of MMY followed. The local center has one of the newly minted teachers. Young guy about 30. I'm not sure we even have a local TM center in Victoria. I've never bothered to find out but pot lucks and socializing sounds good. I would have left before the MMY tape came on, he always did put me to sleep, as did TM.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I always found him hard to listen to also, whether in person or on tape.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 10:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Went to the Guru Purnima held by the local TM Center which was a pot luck event
at the vastu home of one our members. It was fun. About 30 people, mostly
older teachers but some younger members too. Came for the puja which is always
powerful in a Shakti sense. Boring video of MMY followed.
The local center has one of the newly minted teachers. Young guy about 30.
I'm not sure we even have a local TM center in Victoria. I've never bothered to
find out but pot lucks and socializing sounds good. I would have left before
the MMY tape came on, he always did put me to sleep, as did TM. #yiv3788462133
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Maharishi wasn't God.Maybe, probably, enlightened. You could have handled his
darshan, no problem. I sat on many courses with him, some times daily or
nightly, frequently within a few feet of him. If he was enlightened, which I
like to,think he was, his darshan was tempered by his leshavidya. I kind of
think of looking at God would be like looking directly into the sun, it'll burn
your eyes. Looking at an enlightened master would be more like looking into the
full moon.A reflection of the sun but cooled down.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better
off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive
his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise
according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the
energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a
daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of
Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded. #yiv6835704397
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : I always found him hard to listen to also, whether in person or on tape. I spent almost four years at MIU as a full time student, not to mention SCI at Livingston Manor as well as Forest Academies (which seemed like months long - maybe they were, for all I remember) where we rounded and listened to tapes including those Sama Veda things -chanting, if I recall and I had many, many hours of listening to MMY. It's not that it was hard per se, just not dynamically engaging and after you figured out the basic gist of what he had to say for that particular lecture it was sort of like okay, okay, I get it. Can we move onto the next subject? But part of listening to him was, perhaps, the vibe or experience of hearing an enlightened man and he was not unpleasant, not hard on the ears just a bit of a snoozer. He seemed like a gentle and nice enough fellow but hardly engaging. You see, I guess I just wasn't cut out for the monastic/spiritual bookworm/guru-adoring life; I think I pretty much flunked out on that score. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 10:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Went to the Guru Purnima held by the local TM Center which was a pot luck event at the vastu home of one our members. It was fun. About 30 people, mostly older teachers but some younger members too. Came for the puja which is always powerful in a Shakti sense. Boring video of MMY followed. The local center has one of the newly minted teachers. Young guy about 30. I'm not sure we even have a local TM center in Victoria. I've never bothered to find out but pot lucks and socializing sounds good. I would have left before the MMY tape came on, he always did put me to sleep, as did TM.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Right, I thought not. If you ever actually worked day to day with him you'd have a very different experience that included some incredibly banal behavior, including temper tantrums, jealousy, obsession with money and a near melt down when one of his girlfriends (who flew the coup) couldn't be found. When the lights came on, and it was time to be Maharishi, he played it to perfection. That's the guy you apparently are so enamored with. It is so easy to discredit things be they tooth whitening products, baseball coaches or gurus. For every believer in something there are a thousand non believers. Non believers are a dime a dozen because it is what people do as a result of being jaded, tired or having little imagination. I am not necessarily talking about MMY here because I never saw him live and I certainly didn't work for or with him therefore what you say may be truth with a capital 'T. I never adored him or dedicated my life to him or his work - I was just never inspired that way. But, what I have a hard time listening to time and time again are those who are, apparently, of a different opinion than someone else and thus throw their jaded, tired and often angry opinions at those who they disagree with all the while coming off as knowing better, being wiser. Now, as far as your specific opinion of Maharishi, you state the fact that he was a petty and manipulative fraud because you, seemingly, have first hand experience of this. This fact in and of itself is interesting and I'd love to hear more but you are not going to change Srijau's opinion or, retroactively, reprogram his personal experience of MMY so what is it that you hope to accomplish with regard to him? Show him the light in some way? Do you think his personal experiences are weaker than your opinion and thus malleable? Srijau: I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
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none of these claims are news to me and I don't care. Every day peoples behavior gets misinterpreted, all our behaviors are subjects to interpretation. Recently I heard someone say that he asked Maharishi in the early 2000's if he was deliberately slowing the growth of the Movement for a time and he said he replied Yes Through Maharishi's teaching I have experienced the Absolute. I have experience huge bliss, I experienced many years of continual bliss and other very important experiences, I don't have any doubts about the ultimate importance of this person and the science does not leave me any doubt either.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : none of these claims are news to me and I don't care. Every day peoples behavior gets misinterpreted, all our behaviors are subjects to interpretation. Recently I heard someone say that he asked Maharishi in the early 2000's if he was deliberately slowing the growth of the Movement for a time and he said he replied Yes Through Maharishi's teaching I have experienced the Absolute. I have experience huge bliss, I experienced many years of continual bliss and other very important experiences, I don't have any doubts about the ultimate importance of this person and the science does not leave me any doubt either. See Geezerfreak, Srijau is certain of what he feels and experiences. The fact of the man (MMY) is secondary although, evidently, Srijau credits MMY and his teaching for having given him valuable experiences. Whatever you say can not change what Sri knows and feels with regard to this. By discrediting someone it does nothing to change what has already been lived and experienced. To deny the past truth of something after the fact, something that was real at a point or time in your life can simply be another form of denial and even disloyalty to something that had been perceived previously as having value and validity and I am not sure what that accomplishes that is relevant or useful.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Maharishi wasn't God.Maybe, probably, enlightened. You could have handled his darshan, no problem. I sat on many courses with him, some times daily or nightly, frequently within a few feet of him. If he was enlightened, which I like to,think he was, his darshan was tempered by his leshavidya. I kind of think of looking at God would be like looking directly into the sun, it'll burn your eyes. Looking at an enlightened master would be more like looking into the full moon.A reflection of the sun but cooled down. Nice image. I saw God once - he/she took the form of a male lion. It was incredible and powerful enough to have left no doubt in my five year old mind that that was what it was. God comes in so many guises but the feeling that he/she is there is unmistakable. I am sure everyone here has had a similar experience of some sort. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Right, he wasn't hard on the ears. It just got boring after you've heard him
say the same thing several times.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
I always found him hard to listen to also, whether in person or on tape.
I spent almost four years at MIU as a full time student, not to mention SCI at
Livingston Manor as well as Forest Academies (which seemed like months long -
maybe they were, for all I remember) where we rounded and listened to tapes
including those Sama Veda things -chanting, if I recall and I had many, many
hours of listening to MMY. It's not that it was hard per se, just not
dynamically engaging and after you figured out the basic gist of what he had to
say for that particular lecture it was sort of like okay, okay, I get it. Can
we move onto the next subject? But part of listening to him was, perhaps, the
vibe or experience of hearing an enlightened man and he was not unpleasant, not
hard on the ears just a bit of a snoozer. He seemed like a gentle and nice
enough fellow but hardly engaging. You see, I guess I just wasn't cut out for
the monastic/spiritual bookworm/guru-adoring life; I think I pretty much
flunked out on that score.
From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 10:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Went to the Guru Purnima held by the local TM Center which was a pot luck event
at the vastu home of one our members. It was fun. About 30 people, mostly
older teachers but some younger members too. Came for the puja which is always
powerful in a Shakti sense. Boring video of MMY followed.
The local center has one of the newly minted teachers. Young guy about 30.
I'm not sure we even have a local TM center in Victoria. I've never bothered to
find out but pot lucks and socializing sounds good. I would have left before
the MMY tape came on, he always did put me to sleep, as did TM.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I suggest reading Svoboda's Vimalananda books, his Guru had some interesting strategies for driving away people who he didn't consider serious.
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Was his name Aslan? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Nice image. I saw God once - he/she took the form of a male lion. It was incredible and powerful enough to have left no doubt in my five year old mind that that was what it was. God comes in so many guises but the feeling that he/she is there is unmistakable. I am sure everyone here has had a similar experience of some sort. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
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Beautiful! The Lion of Judah! After my six month course I started seeing a lot
of fire in meditation, bursts of flames (Moses saw god as fire). Also saw the
full moon frequently(M told me the full moon represented the transcendent,
Shiva is pictured with a crescent on his forhead). Finally, after years of
these and similar experiences I transcended in my sleep one night and a full
moon appeared, a common experience I had had for years. Next, clouds started
streaming across the face of the moon. The next thing I knew , I was seeing the
back of someone's head. Glowing moonlight as a halo. The clouds had turned into
thick coarse wavy hair. The head rotated to face me and it was Jesus smiling at
me .Love flowed from his eyes like rivers. He told me Michael, you are mine,
you always have been and always will be. I asked him about TM. He said that
is my gift to you. Should I use it? As you please. I said your preachers
don't like it. He said they only know what I want them to know. I came to the
conclusion that Christian preachers are like vedic priests in that they are
taught to preach one thing, the gospel. .
They don't have to know the whole story behind it. They are a beacon, sending
out a signal. Christ said those that know the truth hear my voice.We can choose
to accept that message or not. Christ does the work of the master guiding the
individual in his evolution, giving him what he needs when he needs it. The
experience reminds me of the Aaronic prayer, May the lord make his face to
shine upon you. Also, Christ said you shall see me coming in the clouds of
heaven standing at the right side of God. As far as I'm concerned , this was
the classic God Consciousness experience as described in M's Seven states of
consciousness lecture.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Maharishi wasn't God.Maybe, probably, enlightened. You could have handled his
darshan, no problem. I sat on many courses with him, some times daily or
nightly, frequently within a few feet of him. If he was enlightened, which I
like to,think he was, his darshan was tempered by his leshavidya. I kind of
think of looking at God would be like looking directly into the sun, it'll burn
your eyes. Looking at an enlightened master would be more like looking into the
full moon.A reflection of the sun but cooled down.
Nice image. I saw God once - he/she took the form of a male lion. It was
incredible and powerful enough to have left no doubt in my five year old mind
that that was what it was. God comes in so many guises but the feeling that
he/she is there is unmistakable. I am sure everyone here has had a similar
experience of some sort.
From: srijau@... srijau@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off
for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his
intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise
according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the
energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a
daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of
Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
What's also sort of interesting, Ann, is that for many, over the years, their opinion of MMY and the TMO becomes more and more diminished to the point that he is totally insignificant, but yet, here they are, seven days a week talking about him, and his organization. Maybe Nabby was right, that he was the most important figure in their lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It is so easy to discredit things be they tooth whitening products, baseball coaches or gurus. For every believer in something there are a thousand non believers. Non believers are a dime a dozen because it is what people do as a result of being jaded, tired or having little imagination. I am not necessarily talking about MMY here because I never saw him live and I certainly didn't work for or with him therefore what you say may be truth with a capital 'T. I never adored him or dedicated my life to him or his work - I was just never inspired that way. But, what I have a hard time listening to time and time again are those who are, apparently, of a different opinion than someone else and thus throw their jaded, tired and often angry opinions at those who they disagree with all the while coming off as knowing better, being wiser. Now, as far as your specific opinion of Maharishi, you state the fact that he was a petty and manipulative fraud because you, seemingly, have first hand experience of this. This fact in and of itself is interesting and I'd love to hear more but you are not going to change Srijau's opinion or, retroactively, reprogram his personal experience of MMY so what is it that you hope to accomplish with regard to him? Show him the light in some way? Do you think his personal experiences are weaker than your opinion and thus malleable? Srijau: I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It is so easy to discredit things be they tooth whitening products, baseball coaches or gurus. For every believer in something there are a thousand non believers. Non believers are a dime a dozen because it is what people do as a result of being jaded, tired or having little imagination. I am not necessarily talking about MMY here because I never saw him live and I certainly didn't work for or with him therefore what you say may be truth with a capital 'T. I never adored him or dedicated my life to him or his work - I was just never inspired that way. But, what I have a hard time listening to time and time again are those who are, apparently, of a different opinion than someone else and thus throw their jaded, tired and often angry opinions at those who they disagree with all the while coming off as knowing better, being wiser. Now, as far as your specific opinion of Maharishi, you state the fact that he was a petty and manipulative fraud because you, seemingly, have first hand experience of this. This fact in and of itself is interesting and I'd love to hear more but you are not going to change Srijau's opinion or, retroactively, reprogram his personal experience of MMY so what is it that you hope to accomplish with regard to him? Show him the light in some way? Do you think his personal experiences are weaker than your opinion and thus malleable? Srijau: I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Beautiful! The Lion of Judah! After my six month course I started seeing a lot of fire in meditation, bursts of flames (Moses saw god as fire). Also saw the full moon frequently(M told me the full moon represented the transcendent, Shiva is pictured with a crescent on his forhead). Finally, after years of these and similar experiences I transcended in my sleep one night and a full moon appeared, a common experience I had had for years. Next, clouds started streaming across the face of the moon. The next thing I knew , I was seeing the back of someone's head. Glowing moonlight as a halo. The clouds had turned into thick coarse wavy hair. The head rotated to face me and it was Jesus smiling at me .Love flowed from his eyes like rivers. He told me Michael, you are mine, you always have been and always will be. I asked him about TM. He said that is my gift to you. Should I use it? As you please. I said your preachers don't like it. He said they only know what I want them to know. I came to the conclusion that Christian preachers are like vedic priests in that they are taught to preach one thing, the gospel. . They don't have to know the whole story behind it. They are a beacon, sending out a signal. Christ said those that know the truth hear my voice.We can choose to accept that message or not. Christ does the work of the master guiding the individual in his evolution, giving him what he needs when he needs it. The experience reminds me of the Aaronic prayer, May the lord make his face to shine upon you. Also, Christ said you shall see me coming in the clouds of heaven standing at the right side of God. As far as I'm concerned , this was the classic God Consciousness experience as described in M's Seven states of consciousness lecture. BEAUTIFUL! I loved this post of yours. And what an amazing experience you had and to still hold it so close to where you can value it and allow it to still effect you. Fantastic. I used to sleep on our second story screened in porch in our house in Connecticut most summer nights as a child. My sister and I would bring out our sleeping bags and hunker down for the night listening to the crickets and watching the fireflies, smelling the fragrant summer air. I just loved those evenings. I remember being fast asleep and suddenly coming awake in the middle of the night - I was all of five or six years old - and my eyes were fixed on the black sky and suddenly, like an orb of lightening, a sun-like flash of light appeared and quickly transformed itself into this magnificent head of a male lion all mane and golden fur and incredible beauty. It stayed illuminated for about five seconds, almost blinding me like a flash from a camera, and then it was gone. Not having any deep religious convictions or preconceived ideas as as a young child as to visions or how they might manifest I innocently just knew it to be God. Isn't subjectivity fascinating? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Maharishi wasn't God.Maybe, probably, enlightened. You could have handled his darshan, no problem. I sat on many courses with him, some times daily or nightly, frequently within a few feet of him. If he was enlightened, which I like to,think he was, his darshan was tempered by his leshavidya. I kind of think of looking at God would be like looking directly into the sun, it'll burn your eyes. Looking at an enlightened master would be more like looking into the full moon.A reflection of the sun but cooled down. Nice image. I saw God once - he/she took the form of a male lion. It was incredible and powerful enough to have left no doubt in my five year old mind that that was what it was. God comes in so many guises but the feeling that he/she is there is unmistakable. I am sure everyone here has had a similar experience of some sort. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Was his name Aslan? (-: Maybe but I don't recall having stepped through an armoire first. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Nice image. I saw God once - he/she took the form of a male lion. It was incredible and powerful enough to have left no doubt in my five year old mind that that was what it was. God comes in so many guises but the feeling that he/she is there is unmistakable. I am sure everyone here has had a similar experience of some sort. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
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That's totally cool Srijau, if your experience has been all positive. As the Aussy's say good on ya! If you are aware of the reality of working closely with MMY, and chose to ignore or to accept and not care, then it sounds like all is close to perfect for you. My only point in bringing up life on the other side of the curtain is to let people know that what they see on the old video tapes is only half, at best, of the reality. I also have to add that I was one of those who would excuse ANY kind of MMY's behavior and attribute divine reasons for it. Did it for years my friend. Then one day I allowed myself to have the thought that the temper tantrum I had just witnessed COULD have been because he was tired and pissed off. That the teenage angst I had seen in him due to a lover having left could be just the same as what I felt when my GF in high school left for the singer in a band that it was POSSIBLE that these were all the same. It was a very freeing experience. YMMV. none of these claims are news to me and I don't care. Every day peoples behavior gets misinterpreted, all our behaviors are subjects to interpretation. Recently I heard someone say that he asked Maharishi in the early 2000's if he was deliberately slowing the growth of the Movement for a time and he said he replied Yes Through Maharishi's teaching I have experienced the Absolute. I have experience huge bliss, I experienced many years of continual bliss and other very important experiences, I don't have any doubts about the ultimate importance of this person and the science does not leave me any doubt either.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I've seen these kinds of comments from R and others over the years. Basically it boils down to it was years ago, what's yer problem, get over it! Why is this so hard to understand? We (those of us who were knee deep into the TMO during the 70s and early 80s) spent the better part of our 20s and 30s 100% committed to the cause. 100%. When others were moving on with their lives and starting their professional careers, we were in the trenches, doing our part for world peace and whatever else MMY told us to do. I personally know people in the 108 who lost their entire savings paying their way to be there. (NOTHING was given mind you, it was pay as you go.) Once MMY knew you were out of money he was done with you. You were of no use to him anymore. Could I say well, that was their Karma, MMY was actually helping them to evolve, so what if they're now penniless and stranded? I did, many times. Did I eventually allow myself to think that he mopped up these peoples savings like a sponge and then spit them out? Yes. Have you seen the recent documentary on Scientology called Going Clear? I strongly suggest it for anyone who was ever head over heals into a cult. Does it seem strange to you that those who gave their lives over to Scientology and got out are still processing what happened to them while in? Why does it seem so alien to you that those who spent their formative 20s and 30s in the TMO trenches would still have an interest in what happened then and in what is happening now? What's also sort of interesting, Ann, is that for many, over the years, their opinion of MMY and the TMO becomes more and more diminished to the point that he is totally insignificant, but yet, here they are, seven days a week talking about him, and his organization. Maybe Nabby was right, that he was the most important figure in their lives.
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Well, no man is a hero to his valet, no writer is a hero to his editor, and I guess no guru is a hero to his intimates. There has to be some distance there for the ideal to be perceived and maintained. And as I think we have agreed on this forum in the past, the personality never becomes God, or enlightened. It has its good side and its less admirable side, whether you are enlightened or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Right, I thought not. If you ever actually worked day to day with him you'd have a very different experience that included some incredibly banal behavior, including temper tantrums, jealousy, obsession with money and a near melt down when one of his girlfriends (who flew the coup) couldn't be found. When the lights came on, and it was time to be Maharishi, he played it to perfection. That's the guy you apparently are so enamored with. Srijau: I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
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Went to the Guru Purnima held by the local TM Center which was a pot luck event at the vastu home of one our members. It was fun. About 30 people, mostly older teachers but some younger members too. Came for the puja which is always powerful in a Shakti sense. Boring video of MMY followed. The local center has one of the newly minted teachers. Young guy about 30.
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Right, I thought not. If you ever actually worked day to day with him you'd have a very different experience that included some incredibly banal behavior, including temper tantrums, jealousy, obsession with money and a near melt down when one of his girlfriends (who flew the coup) couldn't be found. When the lights came on, and it was time to be Maharishi, he played it to perfection. That's the guy you apparently are so enamored with. Srijau: I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the Elohim,the energy has to be stepped down a lot for us. There is many still alive who had a daily experience of Maharishi and they may be regarded as the Most Revered of Living, even if their minds are temporarily clouded.
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I think this *commercial* has created a gag reflex. I don't think I'll be able
to take another taste of honey for a long time.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
LOL! It certainly doesn't *flow* well, now does it? An awful lot of effort to
get out a message. Do more and accomplish less!
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote :
I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : LOL! It certainly doesn't *flow* well, now does it? An awful lot of effort to get out a message. Do more and accomplish less! Surely this can't be for real, it has to be a parody - if not intentional then unintentional. Whoever conceived of or 'okayed' this little gem should be covered in honey and left out on a fire ant hill. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Hello! Jai Guru Dev! Your post violates the finest feeling level of the Yahoo guidelines. It would be best if you spoke only the truth that is sweet. Hoho, this ad violates just about everything that is related to good taste, aesthetic sensibility and all that is or will be credible on this planet. I must ask Doug to delete this monstrosity immediately before I throw up. Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey Ad https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey Ad https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Eat honey, get world peace. View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Hello! Jai Guru Dev! Your post violates the finest feeling level of the Yahoo guidelines. It would be best if you spoke only the truth that is sweet. Hoho, this ad violates just about everything that is related to good taste, aesthetic sensibility and all that is or will be credible on this planet. I must ask Doug to delete this monstrosity immediately before I throw up. Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey Ad https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey Ad https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Eat honey, get world peace. View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Me: So you were in Chicago seeing another guru? SO off the program! And what, exactly are serious meditators? You: Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Me: So you were in Chicago seeing another guru? SO off the program! And what, exactly are serious meditators? You: Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Is there still a program? Does a program only exist in FF? What is a program? It's been so long I don't remember and perhaps programs have changed since I was doing anything faintly TM'ish - like 30 years ago. Are you still on a program?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Other gurus encourage their followers to visit other saints and to learn additional things from them. Maharishi wanted to jealously shelter his followers. On 08/02/2015 08:18 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Me: So you were in Chicago seeing another guru? SO off the program! And what, exactly are serious meditators? You: Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. * * Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Buck, you've returned, we were getting worried, a forum can't run without good moderation - anything can happen! But I'm glad you've been having a good time howling at the moon. Now you're back perhaps you'd care to scroll down through the list and answer a few questions about your moderation technique concerning the always civil, respectful and creatively philosophical Curtis who would surely be considered a boon to any forum with his spiritual experience and lucid writing skills. It seems to me that he's been the victim of an apostate cleansing purge, was that the case? Can you clarify your reasoning behind his constructive dismissal? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
No, Maharishi was more likely sheltering his income base. Maybe this is just
the cynicism in me but I remember someone asked M about owning pets. He said
they were a *drain*. Naturally everyone took that as that they would *sap* your
psychic energies or some such nonsense. I eventually realized he meant that
they cost a lot to keep, feed healthcare etc. Why not spend it on Me, I'll be
your pet, I'll drain you!
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Other gurus encourage their followers to visit other saints and to learn
additional things from them. Maharishi wanted to jealously shelter his
followers.
On 08/02/2015 08:18 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Me: So you were in Chicago seeing another guru? SO off the program! And
what, exactly are serious meditators?
You: Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM
teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too.
These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot
of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that
there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last
month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at
Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with
Mother Meera.
Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly
Dome-worthy!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
thats more along the lines of if I can imagine anthing negative to say, I will say it. Maharishi didnt spend much on himself. He was frugal. He was not extravagant. He certainly built an empire of positive ventures to benefit all of humanity and that took money to do. We have a tremendous amount to be thankful for,, just look at Amrit Kalash, scientists have found so benefits from each one of the herbs in it. The research into the benefits of those herbs can continue for our lifetimes and beyond. Just one example.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Question Srijau: Did you ever work with MMY, spend real day to day time with him? thats more along the lines of if I can imagine anthing negative to say, I will say it. Maharishi didnt spend much on himself. He was frugal. He was not extravagant. He certainly built an empire of positive ventures to benefit all of humanity and that took money to do. We have a tremendous amount to be thankful for,, just look at Amrit Kalash, scientists have found so benefits from each one of the herbs in it. The research into the benefits of those herbs can continue for our lifetimes and beyond. Just one example.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Well put, precisely Mike! No, Maharishi was more likely sheltering his income base. Maybe this is just the cynicism in me but I remember someone asked M about owning pets. He said they were a *drain*. Naturally everyone took that as that they would *sap* your psychic energies or some such nonsense. I eventually realized he meant that they cost a lot to keep, feed healthcare etc. Why not spend it on Me, I'll be your pet, I'll drain you!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Look any defense of MMY meets with criticism in some quarters, but it seems just as likely that because TM was teaching movement as much as a knowledge movement, that it may have made more sense to have some prohibition on this seeing other teachers prohibition. I would say it was for this more practical reason than jealousy, but of course jealousy meets the requirement to ascribe the most negative of motives to MMY for just about anything. Makes one feel good, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Other gurus encourage their followers to visit other saints and to learn additional things from them. Maharishi wanted to jealously shelter his followers. On 08/02/2015 08:18 AM, geezerfreak@... mailto:geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Me: So you were in Chicago seeing another guru? SO off the program! And what, exactly are serious meditators? You: Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Hello! Jai Guru Dev! Your post violates the finest feeling level of the Yahoo guidelines. It would be best if you spoke only the truth that is sweet. Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey Ad https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey Ad https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Eat honey, get world peace. View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/1Q7ffGdfbqs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote : I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy!
