[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand this course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not believe in MMY? Ingegerd Eh...did Maharishi invite eurpeans to the Invincible America course ? Ingegerd; do your homework. As far as I have understood, he invites as many Sidhas as possible to do the Program together. It is a TM-Center in Oslo, that is encouraging all Sidhas to come and do the Program. If you do not feel going abroad, it goes a nice bus to that senter. They will probably be happy to see you. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand this course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not believe in MMY? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand this course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not believe in MMY? Ingegerd Eh...did Maharishi invite eurpeans to the Invincible America course ? Ingegerd; do your homework. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand this course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not believe in MMY? It's amazing to me how hard it is for Ingegerd and some others here to understand that pointing out the absurdity of a lot of the criticism of MMY does not necessarily mean believing in MMY to the extent of taking every word he says as Ultimate Truth. It's as if they see only the two ends of the spectrum--total belief and total disbelief--with nothing in between. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
Well said.jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" sparaig@ wrote: That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! JohnYThere is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. I just don't understand folks who insist that everyone must know their "truth", and then if they are denied something as a result, start all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. S. Ma needs to take responsibility for her actions, and stop laying the victim trip on everyone.The TMO is not run by God directly- it is run by people and these people have decided for whatever reason on rules in order to do the program there. S. Ma sounds like she needs to mature a little bit. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So youre saying that the context of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So youre saying that the context of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesnt produce results. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust issue'. Can't do it anymore. JohnY 'The 'trust issue', I'm running in to people now who are turning in their badges for the domes after reading the ShivaMa letters. Those letters kind of state a different side to the 'trust issue' with people not showing up for the dome program when called. It becomes sort of like for having disbanded the 'regular-army' (purusha MD, staff and faculty at MUM, MSAE, de-certified a bunch of the TM community) and then when the call goes out the 'reservists' won't rally. opps, something seems to have happened with the helmsmanship? Possibly a wrong turn? Or, as MMY told an old devotee, ...don't tell me how to run my business. August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108731 That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! JohnY There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. I just don't understand folks who insist that everyone must know their truth, and then if they are denied something as a result, start all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. S. Ma needs to take responsibility for her actions, and stop laying the victim trip on everyone. The TMO is not run by God directly- it is run by people and these people have decided for whatever reason on rules in order to do the program there. S. Ma sounds like she needs to mature a little bit. I know. I was responding to sparaig's phrasing. But really, all they want is to program in the dome, not handle the money (oh, wait... ah never mind). :-) JohnY Shiva Ma writes as though she has a few screws loose. Or should I say: SHE writes AS though SHE HAS a FEW screws LOOSE?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesn¹t produce results. With the caveat that her further actions are not designed to accomplish her original goal, but instead blame others for her failure. Someone I know refers to it as emotional blackmail. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz on 8/18/06 11:05 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since she is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in the Dome. Actually, I believe her consciousness is doing quite well. Probably a lot better than many of those in the dome. Shes just playing out her particular drama. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . Ingegerd I have attachments also. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/18/06 11:05 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since she is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in the Dome. Actually, I believe her consciousness is doing quite well. Probably a lot better than many of those in the dome. Then she should be and radiate happiness. She¹s just playing out her particular drama. The mother of all drama queens? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . Ingegerd Amen :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust issue'. Can't do it anymore. JohnY 'The 'trust issue', I'm running in to people now who are turning in their badges for the domes after reading the ShivaMa letters. Those letters kind of state a different side to the 'trust issue' with people not showing up for the dome program when called. It becomes sort of like for having disbanded the 'regular-army' (purusha MD, staff and faculty at MUM, MSAE, de-certified a bunch of the TM community) and then when the call goes out the 'reservists' won't rally. opps, something seems to have happened with the helmsmanship? Possibly a wrong turn? Or, as MMY told an old devotee, ...don't tell me how to run my business. August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108731 That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. As much as I disagree with such a premise on an ethical level, I am reluctant to say that it does make some sense, Rick. Tell me, have you ever fudged the truth when you took out a loan or filled in a credit card appliction? I have. I've also fudged expenses on my tax returns. Sorry, it's wrong but so are some of the unfair restrictions and rejections that would have been visited upon me had I told the black- and-white truth. I can't count on my two hands liberal friends I have who are self- employed who are the first ones to cheat on their income tax. THEY ALL DO IT...WITHOUT EXCEPTION. I got declined on health insurance because I answered the question about drug use honestly. I had used recreational drugs for a period of 8 months that ended in 1969 (and have been anti-drug since) yet when asked in 1995 whether I used, I answered yes and got rejected. Well, I've lied ever since on that question and I got accepted...finally. So, is it justified to lie to get on the course? Perhaps... Maybe it depends on how important you think world peace is to achieve... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for ears - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? And Lawson has screamed very high about MMY and what he does for world peace when, exactly? I guess I must have missed that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesn¹t produce results. My take on her letters were hardly that high minded. She sounded blatantly-in-your-face, self-absorbed (its all about ME), socially immature -- having litle clue as to context-appropriate behavior, high-strung, fragile -- perhaps a bit unstable, and selfish (with an attitutde if I cant go to the domes, no one can. I will shut it down type of attitude. If her crass behavior did not produce the resuts SHE wanted, she was more than willing to get more in-your-face, hyper, childish and apparently unstable -- I was hoping whe was not going to explode in flames after reading her second letter. There is such great feedback on her letter that I hope Rick will forward to her all these great posts so that she can benefit from it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust issue'. Can't do it anymore. JohnY 'The 'trust issue', I'm running in to people now who are turning in their badges for the domes after reading the ShivaMa letters. Those letters kind of state a different side to the 'trust issue' with people not showing up for the dome program when called. It becomes sort of like for having disbanded the 'regular-army' (purusha MD, staff and faculty at MUM, MSAE, de-certified a bunch of the TM community) and then when the call goes out the 'reservists' won't rally. opps, something seems to have happened with the helmsmanship? Possibly a wrong turn? Or, as MMY told an old devotee, ...don't tell me how to run my business. August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108731 That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. But after you learn the Sidhis they screen for the practice of other techniques, so why is everyone so upset that they are screening now? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? I have, several times, in the context of the saints thing. When *I* took the sidhis, they informed us that we were learning to think from a whole different style/level of consciousness and that various other spiritual techniques that might not be detrimental to meditators might be seriously wrong for sidhas. I rather imagine most people got variations of that same spiel over the years and everyone knows how paranoid the TMO turned about other gurus/saints after the Robin Carlson thing more than 20 years ago, so all this breast-beating by the Shiva Ma's and defenders rings rather hollow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for ears - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? And Lawson has screamed very high about MMY and what he does for world peace when, exactly? I guess I must have missed that. You, you did. You weren't paying attention, now, were you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesn¹t produce results. What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since she is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in the Dome. Yet another typical cult view of the world from Nablus. Only an indocrinated cult member could come up with a thought like that. It makes about as much sense as the person who murdered his parents and then seeked mercy from the court because he was an orphan. Here's how it works, Nablus: TM isn't a religion or a philosophy. As long as you meditate regularly you can do a hundred other techniques and follow a hundred other gurus. That's the beauty of TM. That's one of the things that makes it unique and different from any other program of self-development before or since. Cultists like yourself have and are destroying this precious gift by your intolerant and exclusionary -- and revisionist -- vision of what TM and how the organisation that promotes and supports it should be run. I am afraid you missed the point. One teacher uses some certain laws of nature for his pupils to grow. Another teacher uses different energies. Doing one line will get you to the bottom of that, using another will get you to that goal. Problem arises when you mix these; energies clash. One has to choose ones path, and stick to it. Simply as that. Letting in people in the Dome who are practising other systems would derange the effect for the participants and the world. It's so simple really, I dont't understand why you get so aggrivated about it. If that is difficult to digest; build your own Domes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesn¹t produce results. What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since she is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in the Dome. Yet another typical cult view of the world from Nablus. Only an indocrinated cult member could come up with a thought like that. It makes about as much sense as the person who murdered his parents and then seeked mercy from the court because he was an orphan. Here's how it works, Nablus: TM isn't a religion or a philosophy. As long as you meditate regularly you can do a hundred other techniques and follow a hundred other gurus. That's the beauty of TM. That's one of the things that makes it unique and different from any other program of self-development before or since. Cultists like yourself have and are destroying this precious gift by your intolerant and exclusionary -- and revisionist -- vision of what TM and how the organisation that promotes and supports it should be run. I am afraid you missed the point. One teacher uses some certain laws of nature for his pupils to grow. Another teacher uses different energies. Doing one line will get you to the bottom of that, using another will get you to that goal. Problem arises when you mix these; energies clash. One has to choose ones path, and stick to it. Simply as that. Letting in people in the Dome who are practising other systems would derange the effect for the participants and the world. It's so simple really, I dont't understand why you get so aggrivated about it. If that is difficult to digest; build your own Domes. Didn't I hear a version of that in the Sixties: America, love it or leave it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for ears - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? And Lawson has screamed very high about MMY and what he does for world peace when, exactly? I guess I must have missed that. You, you did. You weren't paying attention, now, were you. Quote, please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesn¹t produce results. What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since she is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in the Dome. Yet another typical cult view of the world from Nablus. Only an indocrinated cult member could come up with a thought like that. It makes about as much sense as the person who murdered his parents and then seeked mercy from the court because he was an orphan. Here's how it works, Nablus: TM isn't a religion or a philosophy. As long as you meditate regularly you can do a hundred other techniques and follow a hundred other gurus. That's the beauty of TM. That's one of the things that makes it unique and different from any other program of self-development before or since. Cultists like yourself have and are destroying this precious gift by your intolerant and exclusionary -- and revisionist -- vision of what TM and how the organisation that promotes and supports it should be run. I am afraid you missed the point. One teacher uses some certain laws of nature for his pupils to grow. Another teacher uses different energies. Doing one line will get you to the bottom of that, using another will get you to that goal. Problem arises when you mix these; energies clash. One has to choose ones path, and stick to it. Simply as that. Letting in people in the Dome who are practising other systems would derange the effect for the participants and the world. It's so simple really, I dont't understand why you get so aggrivated about it. If that is difficult to digest; build your own Domes. Didn't I hear a version of that in the Sixties: America, love it or leave it? If you can't get 1700 fliers; leave it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for ears - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? And Lawson has screamed very high about MMY and what he does for world peace when, exactly? I guess I must have missed that. You, you did. You weren't paying attention, now, were you. Quote, please. Ask him yourself. He'll confirm. Spare Egg? Do you not believe that MMY works very hard for world peace? I certainly feel that way...don't you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) Well, we know that Lawson meant what I suggested he meant because he told us so in another subsequent post. So the rest of what you wrote is moot: I was right and you were wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesn¹t produce results. What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since she is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in the Dome. Yet another typical cult view of the world from Nablus. Only an indocrinated cult member could come up with a thought like that. It makes about as much sense as the person who murdered his parents and then seeked mercy from the court because he was an orphan. Here's how it works, Nablus: TM isn't a religion or a philosophy. As long as you meditate regularly you can do a hundred other techniques and follow a hundred other gurus. That's the beauty of TM. That's one of the things that makes it unique and different from any other program of self- development before or since. Cultists like yourself have and are destroying this precious gift by your intolerant and exclusionary -- and revisionist -- vision of what TM and how the organisation that promotes and supports it should be run. I am afraid you missed the point. One teacher uses some certain laws of nature for his pupils to grow. Another teacher uses different energies. Doing one line will get you to the bottom of that, using another will get you to that goal. Problem arises when you mix these; energies clash. One has to choose ones path, and stick to it. Simply as that. Letting in people in the Dome who are practising other systems would derange the effect for the participants and the world. It's so simple really, I dont't understand why you get so aggrivated about it. If that is difficult to digest; build your own Domes. Didn't I hear a version of that in the Sixties: America, love it or leave it? If you can't get 1700 fliers; leave it. Nablus, my experience with cultists such as yourself is that when they demonstrate thattheir feelings hurt easily, they are not very convinced that the teaching they purport to follow is well-grounded in themselves. This is further compounded when they display a predisposition to anger and intolerance when others question their doctrines, such as you do with virtually all your posts. You are, Nablus, a sensitive, angy and quick-to-judge person. It is for this reason that I suggest to you -- as well as the fact that you have chosen to participate on this forum -- that you need to be deprogrammed. I have used the following example on this forum several times but I'll apply it to you here, as an analogy to your mental state: when it is suggested to TBers on this forum that MMY has engaged in inappropriate sexual tysts with TMers, they respond with outrage and cries. My response is that whether or not MMY fooled around is all beside the point: if TM is what it's supposed to be, MMY's sexual life won't have a diddle of an impact on your practise. You'll still get to U.C. whether or not MMY copped a feel from Judith or Linda or Rindy or Bevan or whomever. If the revelation of MMY's sexual trysts makes you stop your TM practise or even CONSIDER stopping doing TM, you weren't much of a meditator to begin with. You are disproportionately angry with those on this forum who question the TM party line. I honestly don't think that you are well grounded -- from either an experiential or intellectual level -- of the knowledge. Because if you were, you wouldn't respond as irrationally as you do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for ears - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? And Lawson has screamed very high about MMY and what he does for world peace when, exactly? I guess I must have missed that. You, you did. You weren't paying attention, now, were you. Quote, please. Ask him yourself. He'll confirm. You made the claim. Spare Egg? Do you not believe that MMY works very hard for world peace? That wasn't the claim in question, Shemp. Read it again, please. I certainly feel that way...don't you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) Well, we know that Lawson meant what I suggested he meant because he told us so in another subsequent post. So the rest of what you wrote is moot: I was right and you were wrong. Nope, sorry. What I asked was where he *said* it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) Well, we know that Lawson meant what I suggested he meant because he told us so in another subsequent post. So the rest of what you wrote is moot: I was right and you were wrong. Nope, sorry. What I asked was where he *said* it. Okay. You win. I was wrong and you were right. Happy now? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) Well, we know that Lawson meant what I suggested he meant because he told us so in another subsequent post. So the rest of what you wrote is moot: I was right and you were wrong. Nope, sorry. What I asked was where he *said* it. Where did you read someplace that kiddy pagents was the thing to do in the South (as you said in message #110205)? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
Nablus, my experience with cultists such as yourself is that when they demonstrate thattheir feelings hurt easily, they are not very convinced that the teaching they purport to follow is well-grounded in themselves. This is further compounded when they display a predisposition to anger and intolerance when others question their doctrines, such as you do with virtually all your posts. You are, Nablus, a sensitive, angy and quick-to-judge person. It is for this reason that I suggest to you -- as well as the fact that you have chosen to participate on this forum -- that you need to be deprogrammed. Thats a good one :-) Continue my friend, continue: I have used the following example on this forum several times but I'll apply it to you here, as an analogy to your mental state: when it is suggested to TBers on this forum that MMY has engaged in inappropriate sexual tysts with TMers, they respond with outrage and cries. hehe. Wrong again my friend; If Maharishi has had sex, which I doubt, good for him. My response is that whether or not MMY fooled around is all beside the point: if TM is what it's supposed to be, MMY's sexual life won't have a diddle of an impact on your practise. Correct; it hasn't. You'll still get to U.C. whether or not MMY copped a feel from Judith or Linda or Rindy or Bevan or whomever. If the revelation You are jumping to conclusions here. You have nothing substantial to contribute other than rumours. And still you want me to take you seriously ? of MMY's sexual trysts makes you stop your TM practise or even CONSIDER stopping doing TM, you weren't much of a meditator to begin with. You are disproportionately angry with those on this forum who question the TM party line. I honestly don't think that you are well grounded -- from either an experiential or intellectual level - - of the knowledge. Because if you were, you wouldn't respond as irrationally as you do. Just like the TBers who respond irrationally to the MMY sexual revelations. Someone obsessed with rumours like this fellow can't be taken seriously. Sorry mate. But he does sound desperate, perhaps the Invicebility course has effects beyond our understanding. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Where did you read someplace that kiddy pagents was the thing to do in the South (as you said in message #110205)? I don't remember. That's why I said someplace, you see. But you might try Googling child beauty pageants and South. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Where did you read someplace that kiddy pagents was the thing to do in the South (as you said in message #110205)? I don't remember. That's why I said someplace, you see. But you might try Googling child beauty pageants and South. ...and I read someplace (actually on this forum) where you have bad- mouthed the South. So go google yourself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) I assumed that the people wanted to do the group thingie with everyone else, i.e., the TM- Sidhis. My question is: why? If what they are doing is so much better, then surely they can get a bunch of like-minded people together to do a larger group thingie with their own, superior, techniques? Why do they want to do the TM group-thingie since TM/TM-Sdhis obviously isn't worth doing as a solo thing compared to what they're already doing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Where did you read someplace that kiddy pagents was the thing to do in the South (as you said in message #110205)? I don't remember. That's why I said someplace, you see. But you might try Googling child beauty pageants and South. ...and I read someplace (actually on this forum) where you have bad- mouthed the South. So go google yourself. Take your medication, please, Shemp. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then continuing to take action when this doesn¹t produce results. What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since she is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in the Dome. Yet another typical cult view of the world from Nablus. Only an indocrinated cult member could come up with a thought like that. It makes about as much sense as the person who murdered his parents and then seeked mercy from the court because he was an orphan. Here's how it works, Nablus: TM isn't a religion or a philosophy. As long as you meditate regularly you can do a hundred other techniques and follow a hundred other gurus. That's the beauty of TM. That's one of the things that makes it unique and different from any other program of self- development before or since. Cultists like yourself have and are destroying this precious gift by your intolerant and exclusionary -- and revisionist -- vision of what TM and how the organisation that promotes and supports it should be run. I am afraid you missed the point. One teacher uses some certain laws of nature for his pupils to grow. Another teacher uses different energies. Doing one line will get you to the bottom of that, using another will get you to that goal. Problem arises when you mix these; energies clash. One has to choose ones path, and stick to it. Simply as that. Letting in people in the Dome who are practising other systems would derange the effect for the participants and the world. It's so simple really, I dont't understand why you get so aggrivated about it. If that is difficult to digest; build your own Domes. Didn't I hear a version of that in the Sixties: America, love it or leave it? If you can't get 1700 fliers; leave it. Nablus, my experience with cultists such as yourself is that when they demonstrate thattheir feelings hurt easily, they are not very convinced that the teaching they purport to follow is well-grounded in themselves. This is further compounded when they display a predisposition to anger and intolerance when others question their doctrines, such as you do with virtually all your posts. You are, Nablus, a sensitive, angy and quick-to-judge person. It is for this reason that I suggest to you -- as well as the fact that you have chosen to participate on this forum -- that you need to be deprogrammed. I have used the following example on this forum several times but I'll apply it to you here, as an analogy to your mental state: when it is suggested to TBers on this forum that MMY has engaged in inappropriate sexual tysts with TMers, they respond with outrage and cries. My response is that whether or not MMY fooled around is all beside the point: if TM is what it's supposed to be, MMY's sexual life won't have a diddle of an impact on your practise. You'll still get to U.C. whether or not MMY copped a feel from Judith or Linda or Rindy or Bevan or whomever. If the revelation of MMY's sexual trysts makes you stop your TM practise or even CONSIDER stopping doing TM, you weren't much of a meditator to begin with. You are disproportionately angry with those on this forum who
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) Well, we know that Lawson meant what I suggested he meant because he told us so in another subsequent post. So the rest of what you wrote is moot: I was right and you were wrong. Nope, sorry. What I asked was where he *said* it. Okay. You win. I was wrong and you were right. Happy now? What ARE you guys going on about here? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for ears - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? And Lawson has screamed very high about MMY and what he does for world peace when, exactly? I guess I must have missed that. You, you did. You weren't paying attention, now, were you. Quote, please. Ask him yourself. He'll confirm. Spare Egg? Do you not believe that MMY works very hard for world peace? I certainly feel that way...don't you? Don't know that I have SCREAMED ABOUT it very much, but yeah, I think he's got the belief that his stuff is useful world-peace-wise, and has worked very hard to implement his stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip And do all the other things that they feel are just as important or more-so. MMY has always claimed that TM is the best meditation technique out there. If you no longer feel that way, why are you trying to get in to do a group thingie with his group? It's easy enough to organize group meditations with thousands of people, right? I don't think there is one person on this forum who ever suggested that someone who went into the dome and did anything other than the TM-Sidhi program while there should NOT be denied access. The issue has always been whether access should be denied individuals who OUTSIDE the dome did other practises in addition to their regular practise of TM and TM-Sidhi programs. Where exactly does Lawson refer to people doing something other than the TM-Sidhis program in the dome? Above. He wrote: ...why are you trying to get in (to the Dome) to do a group thingie with (Maharishi's) group? Uh, no. Do a group thingie with Maharishi's group does not imply doing something else, it implies doing what MMY's group is doing. (Whether that's what Lawson meant is another issue.) I assumed that the people wanted to do the group thingie with everyone else, i.e., the TM- Sidhis. My question is: why? If what they are doing is so much better, then surely they can get a bunch of like-minded people together to do a larger group thingie with their own, superior, techniques? Why do they want to do the TM group-thingie since TM/TM-Sdhis obviously isn't worth doing as a solo thing compared to what they're already doing. That's what I thought you meant. Thanks for the explanation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust issue'. Can't do it anymore. JohnY 'The 'trust issue', I'm running in to people now who are turning in their badges for the domes after reading the ShivaMa letters. Those letters kind of state a different side to the 'trust issue' with people not showing up for the dome program when called. It becomes sort of like for having disbanded the 'regular-army' (purusha MD, staff and faculty at MUM, MSAE, de-certified a bunch of the TM community) and then when the call goes out the 'reservists' won't rally. opps, something seems to have happened with the helmsmanship? Possibly a wrong turn? Or, as MMY told an old devotee, ...don't tell me how to run my business. August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108731 -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust issue'. Can't do it anymore. JohnY 'The 'trust issue', I'm running in to people now who are turning in their badges for the domes after reading the ShivaMa letters. Those letters kind of state a different side to the 'trust issue' with people not showing up for the dome program when called. It becomes sort of like for having disbanded the 'regular-army' (purusha MD, staff and faculty at MUM, MSAE, de-certified a bunch of the TM community) and then when the call goes out the 'reservists' won't rally. opps, something seems to have happened with the helmsmanship? Possibly a wrong turn? Or, as MMY told an old devotee, ...don't tell me how to run my business. August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108731 That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust issue'. Can't do it anymore. JohnY 'The 'trust issue', I'm running in to people now who are turning in their badges for the domes after reading the ShivaMa letters. Those letters kind of state a different side to the 'trust issue' with people not showing up for the dome program when called. It becomes sort of like for having disbanded the 'regular-army' (purusha MD, staff and faculty at MUM, MSAE, de-certified a bunch of the TM community) and then when the call goes out the 'reservists' won't rally. opps, something seems to have happened with the helmsmanship? Possibly a wrong turn? Or, as MMY told an old devotee, ...don't tell me how to run my business. August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108731 That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! JohnY There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. I just don't understand folks who insist that everyone must know their truth, and then if they are denied something as a result, start all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. S. Ma needs to take responsibility for her actions, and stop laying the victim trip on everyone. The TMO is not run by God directly- it is run by people and these people have decided for whatever reason on rules in order to do the program there. S. Ma sounds like she needs to mature a little bit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That people are empathetic with Shiva Ma says much about the quality of people that were attracted to the TMO in the first place... You mean all the trusting and open hearted people who are trying to do the best they can for themselves and their world? Or the ones that had their temporary ignorance and naivety used against them? Those people? I quess they just aren't elite enough or rich enough, eh? Jesus, all they want to do is program in the dome! JohnY There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. I just don't understand folks who insist that everyone must know their truth, and then if they are denied something as a result, start all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. S. Ma needs to take responsibility for her actions, and stop laying the victim trip on everyone. The TMO is not run by God directly- it is run by people and these people have decided for whatever reason on rules in order to do the program there. S. Ma sounds like she needs to mature a little bit. I know. I was responding to sparaig's phrasing. But really, all they want is to program in the dome, not handle the money (oh, wait... ah never mind). :-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. The Everybody Does it Defense come on, that's usually among the last used. So you never lie? Is your life so pefect that you could have hordes of TM-Ex checking all newspaper accounts (or friends and ex-friends since you're just a single individual) and not come up with ANY dirt on you? You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. So you think the TMO constantly lied? Why? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. The Everybody Does it Defense come on, that's usually among the last used. So you never lie? Is your life so pefect that you could have hordes of TM-Ex checking all newspaper accounts (or friends and ex-friends since you're just a single individual) and not come up with ANY dirt on you? You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. So you think the TMO constantly lied? Why? I used the word consistant (or is it consistent) not constant. JohnY (34+ years of interaction with the TMO) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
Actually, from the absolute point of view, noone can ever say the Truth, because Truth can never be said by any words.Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree, not 'EVERYONE' lies, but perhaps many have in the sake of their beliefs in MMY TM, which is a mistake, because the whole teaching is based on trust clearly ANY breach of that trust shakes confidence in the rest of the information being shared.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
To justify telling lies, one might resort to the arguments about Absolute Truth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ivica Kosti#263; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, from the absolute point of view, noone can ever say the Truth, because Truth can never be said by any words. Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree, not 'EVERYONE' lies, but perhaps many have in the sake of their beliefs in MMY TM, which is a mistake, because the whole teaching is based on trust clearly ANY breach of that trust shakes confidence in the rest of the information being shared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? I completely agree- with job, relationships including children, who has the relative luxury to go on a course? I am happy for those who are able to, and for the rest of us, I have noticed some subtle long- distance benefits. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? How about the individual's feeling that the ME might help? Or simply that the individual thinks the course would be enjoyable? Who cares whether it's a margin call? I'd go if I could. Trust wouldn't enter into it at all, for me. I'd be going for my own purposes, not the movement's. There's not likely to be another chance to go on that big a course with such an extended program and so many other perks for so little money for a good long time, if ever. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? How about the individual's feeling that the ME might help? Or simply that the individual thinks the course would be enjoyable? Who cares whether it's a margin call? I'd go if I could. Trust wouldn't enter into it at all, for me. I'd be going for my own purposes, not the movement's. There's not likely to be another chance to go on that big a course with such an extended program and so many other perks for so little money for a good long time, if ever. As an 'unrecertified' TM teacher my perspective is different. Trust is a central issue, in a student-teacher-student relationship. (You're stating the 'It's no Big Deal' arguement... well sometimes. it is.) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? JohnY I myself would love to go but don't because, as Dirty Harry once said: you're a good man and a good man knows his limitations. I know my limitations. If I went to the course at some point I would become subject to some sort of propaganda ranting by MMY or TMO course leaders and I would rebel and freak out. I can't take that stuff anymore and so I just stay away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? How about the individual's feeling that the ME might help? Or simply that the individual thinks the course would be enjoyable? Who cares whether it's a margin call? I'd go if I could. Trust wouldn't enter into it at all, for me. I'd be going for my own purposes, not the movement's. There's not likely to be another chance to go on that big a course with such an extended program and so many other perks for so little money for a good long time, if ever. As an 'unrecertified' TM teacher my perspective is different. Trust is a central issue, in a student-teacher-student relationship. (You're stating the 'It's no Big Deal' arguement... well sometimes. it is.) No, I'm not stating that at all. I'm saying that if you really wanted to go, for whatever reason, not going because of the trust issue seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face *however* big a deal the trust issue is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? JohnY I got your trust thing just as I posted the above. I asked myself if I had the money and time would I actually go to the course? The answer is probably not. If I did go, the motivation would certainly have nothing to do with the ME and World Peace. I'd go to see old friends and would end up enjoying the deep experiences I always have when meditating in large groups. But the ME? Naw. That's so weak with the bhogi's sleeping in the domes and world peace does not depend upon the square root of anybody or anything. It's Kali yuga, man. Animals are incarnating for the first time in human bodies and they're acting just like, well, animals! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? JohnY I got your trust thing just as I posted the above. I asked myself if I had the money and time would I actually go to the course? The answer is probably not. If I did go, the motivation would certainly have nothing to do with the ME and World Peace. I'd go to see old friends and would end up enjoying the deep experiences I always have when meditating in large groups. But the ME? Naw. That's so weak with the bhogi's sleeping in the domes and world peace does not depend upon the square root of anybody or anything. It's Kali yuga, man. Animals are incarnating for the first time in human bodies and they're acting just like, well, animals! The thing is - of all the courses I've been to, (if I didn't post here!), I could have gone. It would have been easier than anytime in the past. Would I? No. It would be good to see old friends, the large group would be good. I'm just tired of all the bullshit. Experiences are always good - here or there. I'd just like to see more folks become aquainted with their Self.(I'm a sucker for that vision:-) The TMO doesn't provide that anymore. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It would be good to see old friends, the large group would be good. I'm just tired of all the bullshit. Experiences are always good - here or there. I'd just like to see more folks become aquainted with their Self.(I'm a sucker for that vision:-) The TMO doesn't provide that anymore. Is becoming acquainted with one's Self something someone else can provide? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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No, I don`t justify telling lies, and I don`t speak about lies, I just found it amusing to write it down.Greetings, Paul.Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To justify telling lies, one might resort to the arguments about Absolute Truth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ivica Kosti#263;" [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: Actually, from the absolute point of view, noone can ever say the Truth, because Truth can never be said by any words. Paul Mason premanandpaul@... wrote: I disagree, not 'EVERYONE' lies, but perhaps many have in the sake of their beliefs in MMY TM, which is a mistake, because the whole teaching is based on trust clearly ANY breach of that trust shakes confidence in the rest of the information being shared.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" sparaig@ wrote: The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? How about the individual's feeling that the ME might help? Or simply that the individual thinks the course would be enjoyable? Who cares whether it's a margin call? I'd go if I could. Trust wouldn't enter into it at all, for me. I'd be going for my own purposes, not the movement's. There's not likely to be another chance to go on that big a course with such an extended program and so many other perks for so little money for a good long time, if ever. As an 'unrecertified' TM teacher my perspective is different. Trust is a central issue, in a student-teacher-student relationship. (You're stating the 'It's no Big Deal' arguement... well sometimes. it is.) No, I'm not stating that at all. I'm saying that if you really wanted to go, for whatever reason, not going because of the trust issue seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face *however* big a deal the trust issue is. In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust issue'. Can't do it anymore. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: snip It would be good to see old friends, the large group would be good. I'm just tired of all the bullshit. Experiences are always good - here or there. I'd just like to see more folks become aquainted with their Self.(I'm a sucker for that vision:-) The TMO doesn't provide that anymore. Is becoming acquainted with one's Self something someone else can provide? Ah, come on, you know what I meant. I can give you all the advaita, dzogchen, or Wei Wu Wei if you want. Wouldn't you like to see more people learn TM without relying on CitiBank? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? JohnY I myself would love to go but don't because, as Dirty Harry once said: you're a good man and a good man knows his limitations. I know my limitations. If I went to the course at some point I would become subject to some sort of propaganda ranting by MMY or TMO course leaders and I would rebel and freak out. I can't take that stuff anymore and so I just stay away. I'm there with you, Shemp! I've been on the 'bad' list :-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. The Everybody Does it Defense come on, that's usually among the last used. So you never lie? Is your life so pefect that you could have hordes of TM-Ex checking all newspaper accounts (or friends and ex-friends since you're just a single individual) and not come up with ANY dirt on you? You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. So you think the TMO constantly lied? Why? I used the word consistant (or is it consistent) not constant. What did they lie about, in general? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? Are you saying that they're making enough profit to do something significant? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: snip It would be good to see old friends, the large group would be good. I'm just tired of all the bullshit. Experiences are always good - here or there. I'd just like to see more folks become aquainted with their Self.(I'm a sucker for that vision:- The TMO doesn't provide that anymore. Is becoming acquainted with one's Self something someone else can provide? Ah, come on, you know what I meant. I can give you all the advaita, dzogchen, or Wei Wu Wei if you want. Wouldn't you like to see more people learn TM without relying on CitiBank? Sure. Sorry, I thought you were still talking about big courses. The change in subject threw me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: (mercy snip!) You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY I don't think that people are not going to this new course because of lack of trust, but because they have lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their life and go to Fairfield for a two month course? Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you could go, would you? Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust? Are you saying that they're making enough profit to do something significant? By donations, foundations, vastu sales, technique sales, course fees, mapi sales, jyotish sales, vedic vibration sales, vedic observatory sales, honey sales, raam sales and peanut butter sales - yes. But how can I know, it's all more secret than secret teachings and suitcases of cash. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: snip It would be good to see old friends, the large group would be good. I'm just tired of all the bullshit. Experiences are always good - here or there. I'd just like to see more folks become aquainted with their Self.(I'm a sucker for that vision:- The TMO doesn't provide that anymore. Is becoming acquainted with one's Self something someone else can provide? Ah, come on, you know what I meant. I can give you all the advaita, dzogchen, or Wei Wu Wei if you want. Wouldn't you like to see more people learn TM without relying on CitiBank? Sure. Sorry, I thought you were still talking about big courses. The change in subject threw me. Oops you're right radical shift of subject on the reread :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. I hope he gets another breath of nspiration but if he doesn't recover I'll be sadder rather than gladder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz on 8/15/06 4:46 PM, mainstream20016 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? Did he say it was? I guess hell never know why the TMO withered, because no one will have the guts to tell him. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? JohnY I hope he gets another breath of nspiration but if he doesn't recover I'll be sadder rather than gladder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
I disagree, not 'EVERYONE' lies, but perhaps many have in the sake of their beliefs in MMY TM, which is a mistake, because the whole teaching is based on trust clearly ANY breach of that trust shakes confidence in the rest of the information being shared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree, not 'EVERYONE' lies, Speaking as someone who is a former compulstive truth=teller (the flip-side of a compulsive liar), I can assure you that everyone lies. Even when I compulsively tried to tell the truth, I lied. It is impossible to avoid. Jim Carrey in Liar, Liar barely scratchecd the surface of the issue. but perhaps many have in the sake of their beliefs in MMY TM, which is a mistake, because the whole teaching is based on trust clearly ANY breach of that trust shakes confidence in the rest of the information being shared. There's that too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. The Everybody Does it Defense come on, that's usually among the last used. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. The Everybody Does it Defense come on, that's usually among the last used. So you never lie? Is your life so pefect that you could have hordes of TM-Ex checking all newspaper accounts (or friends and ex-friends since you're just a single individual) and not come up with ANY dirt on you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. The Everybody Does it Defense come on, that's usually among the last used. So you never lie? Is your life so pefect that you could have hordes of TM-Ex checking all newspaper accounts (or friends and ex-friends since you're just a single individual) and not come up with ANY dirt on you? You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY That was poetry. I am moved. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: mainstream20016 wrote Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful to him. For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive. Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly every deal. How different are you in your dealings, except that your half is usually less than. Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand underhandedly. A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch and pay heavily, and yet again, to be dazzled and awed... FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi - and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the edge of town ? Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers another hit of the high life, the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights continues evermore... Maharishi has many flaws. He does so many things. He never gives up, and has grand plans. I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because he has feet of clay. He is paying a heavy price now. Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums of the TMO? Mainstream20016 : The reluctance of FF, U.S. Canadian TM flyers to participate in the virtuallly free-of- charge 'Invincible America' course during a time of crises is a real shock to MMY. Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that has been generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and quotes from Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind Who knows? The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look at the Kaplan letter. Much of that information has likely been available (which nephews of Gurudev did he talk to, BTW, and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's possible now to find all of it concentrated in one place. The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke a cult is better organized, but when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every single bit of negative (true or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that without being a lot more organized than any of us give the TMO credit for being. The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial, it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, not when there is a John Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and inflate the inaccuracies as best he or she can. The Everybody Does it Defense come on, that's usually among the last used. So you never lie? Is your life so pefect that you could have hordes of TM-Ex checking all newspaper accounts (or friends and ex-friends since you're just a single individual) and not come up with ANY dirt on you? You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or believe what I say. I believe you said, And once you play fast and loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it becomes very hard to beat your chest and say I'm really honest THIS TIME, honest, That's why the response to the courses has been so weak. The Everybody does it defense proves my point. Even 'mostly free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
