Angels Wings, et al: ACTIVISM NEEDED

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 6/9/2005 11:50:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From the little I 
  looked around, I think its not at all uncommon for shelters to be 
  ‘closed’

Had to reply to this commentHow 
sad if true where you may be located!
 
A CLOSED DOOR POLICY should immediately 
send up huge RED 
FLAGS!!
 
 
Thankfully, shelters/sanctuaries/humane 
societies around here have OPEN door policies and encourage 
visitations.
 
In my years in rescue I have been 
involved in WAY too many "Post" rescue efforts. It makes me 
ill.
 
I read constantly on this list about 
situations such as this latest one, Angel's Wings.
 
I have a serious question to pose for 
ALL list members. Are there NO other activists on this list?  Is it ok just 
to post these horrors and say, "How awful"? 
 
If you know of, or suspect an agency or 
indiviual doing "rescue", and you have doubts, concerns, whatever... for the 
sake of the animals involved, file a formal complaint with your local humane 
agency.
By law, if a complaint is filed, the 
humane laws mandate an investigation.
Better for the sake of the animals to be 
safe, than sorry.
And, trust me, I have done it. And it is 
all done anonymously.
But I have indeed showed up in court to 
face the wrongdoers!
 
So, instead of spending your time 
writing & reading post after post about
 these atrocities, become 
pro-active. DO SOMETHING!
 
Just think of the animals you could be 
responsible for saving
It takes action, NOT just mere words to 
put an end to the evil inflicted on our poor, defenseless 
friends.
 
PLEASEIf everyone did something 
proactive, many lives could possibly be saved and we would not be reading & 
posting these horror stories time after time.  Me, I am sick of 
it.
And disheartened by the lack of activism 
from the human species to help God's wonderful 
creatures.
 
Someone, please, help restore my faith 
in the human species...
 
Patti
A PROUD ACTIVIST!!

 
(I can sleep at nite knowing that at 
least with my efforts I am helping these poor 
creatures)

Re: Bramble

[felv]

Michelle, how are you doing? What has happened? Is Bramble still holding on?

Jenn
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Re: Sebastian Update

[felv]

I'm glad to hear Sebastian is doing better! There 
aren't any vets on the website for W. Virginia, or even Virginia, so what you'll 
probably need to do is just call around to all of them in the phone book. A good 
opening question is "I have a cat with Feline Leukemia, what should I do?" the 
really bad ones will tell you that there's not much you can do, and that you may 
just consider euthanizing him, so you'll know right off to cross those off the 
list. If they reply, "Well, it depends on the cat, and if he's acting sick or 
not." then you might want to ask that vet more questions, like "I've heard that 
there are treatments for FELV, such as Interferon and Immunoregulin, do you have 
any experience with using those treatments for FELV+ cats?" If they say yes, 
then they may be a good vet to use, if they say no, then they may just need to 
be educated, OR they may not be willing to be educated. If they say no, ask them 
"I have a lot of info about the new treatments for FELV, and I'd like to try 
them on my FELV+ cat. I know you don't have any experience with this sort of 
thing, but if I bring you all the info, will you help me develop a good 
treatment plan for my cat?" If they say they are willing to learn, then that may 
be the best you can find in your area (it was the best I could do around 
here).
 
Those are just suggestions to give you an idea of 
things you can ask. Just start at the top, and work your way down the listings 
in the phone book. You can use a marker in the phone book, cross out the 
ovbiously bad vets, and maybe highlight the ones that sound the best as you go 
down. Then when you narrow it down to a few possibilities, you can call them 
back, and ask if them what their payment policys are, where they are located, 
and their prices in general. Do a drive by of them all, check out the condition 
of the facilities, make sure they are in neighborhoods you feel safe going to. 
Use your own judgement, and choose one. Try him/her out, if you get bad vibes 
(or no vibes), next time try another one, until one just "clicks" for you. I 
really believe you will just know when you find the right one.
 
Another thing I like to make sure of, is if the 
vet is up to date on current vaccination protocols. Are they even aware of the 
AVMA's current vaccination site locations? http://www.avma.org/vafstf/sitercmnd.asp ANY 
vet that goes to give ANY injection in the scruff of your cat's neck is a BAD 
VET! If you see him/her approaching your cat's neck with a shot, STOP him, her, 
and ASK, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!!" and take your cat elsewhere ASAP! You can even 
ask them before you make your appointment, "Is Dr. Whoever aware of the current 
vaccination site recommendations for felines as stated by the AVMA and AAFP?" if 
the receptionist does not know, then you can ask her "Does the he/she give cats 
their vaccinations in their scruff, or in the lower legs?"
 
Here's a good place to start, all of these WV 
vets are members of the AAFP (the American Association of Feline 
Practioners):
http://www.aafponline.org/find_results.php?name=&city=Any&state=WV&zipcode=&Submit=Submit
All AAFP vets should at least know about how to 
properly vaccinate and the correct vaccination schedule (every 3 years in most 
cases):
http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/vaccine.pdf
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: I'm Back!!

[TatorBunz]

Thanks! 
Computer was down for 2 long weeks because practically the inside had to be replaced. First set parts were defective...grrr thank god for the warranty.
Wow I'd say you guys have been busy...yes, I will go to the Archives to get updated.
 
In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:43:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

WB Terrie! Wow, you missed alot... you might want to do an archives reading session. :-)
 
I'm not sure exactly how long you've been gone, but I think the two most current issues on the list are Michelle's Bramble not doing well (seizures), and the Angel Wings Cat Sanctuary fiasco (turns out to be a kitty hell-hole). You guys correct me if I missed something else major in the past couple of days.
Jenn

 
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RE: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Chris]

From the little I looked around, I think its
not at all uncommon for shelters to be ‘closed’.  I was
referred to a gentleman who takes in FELV cats—was given only his phone
#.  When I called him, he told me he had ‘many’ cats, (would
not say how many) in his house but would not tell me where.  He apparently
is used by a number of rescue groups in this area for FELV cats but meets them
in PETCO parking lot to get the cats.  He had some legitimate reasons for not
wanting visitors, (afraid people would just dump cats) but I was amazed that
none of the people who recommended him had ever seen his place.  He may
have been great but who would ever know!

 



Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tad Burnett
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:11
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Angel Wings Sancuary
[Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

 

Hi Belinda..
  Yes ..I did read the story and personally I can't see why anyone would
send their pet to a place they couldn't visit before and after it went
there...Perhaps the cats that come here are ones like mine...Last chance
cats...Nobody wanted them and there lives were saved from the gas chamber...
 
  I guess a point that I wanted to make was that the quality of the
photographs wasn't any better than the property...And it didn't show the whole
story..namely where were all the cats.
 
Hopefully we are all confusing this place with Angel Gate (as far as place
where we have taken our cats) and no one has taken them to Angel Wings...I just
wanted everyone to realize that they are not the same place..are a world of
difference...
 
I hope it turns out that no body has taken there cat there and is paying a lot
of good money for its stay their...
 
Tad


Belinda Sauro wrote:



   Tad, 
  Did you read the story, no one is allowed to visit? 

Re: any info on this poor kitty

[Gloria Lane]

Very insightful, you guys!  Gloria


On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:11 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here's the link Nina sent to me. ALL kinds of financial help for pets:
http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links.html#finance

I, too, am thinking blockage... not something anything should have  
to endure, REALLY horrible way to die, almost always fatal within  
days, if not hours, once they get 100% blocked. He needs to go to a  
vet. Very common problem in male cats these days, sadly. Sometimes  
they can use a catheter to open the blockage, but sometimes it  
requires surgery to correct permanently. Has she turned him over  
and really looked hard at his pee-pee? It may be an infection, if  
that's the case, he may look obviously reddened around his penile  
area. She can try gently massaging it a little with clean fingers,  
judge his reaction, most any cat will struggle and try to get away,  
but if he blows a gasket and freaks out and screams in pain, that's  
a likely sign he needs vet care for some kind of urinary problem.  
Also, see if she can lock him in a room with bare floors, and put  
down just a white sheet or towel for him to pee on. That way,  
she'll be able to see if there's any blood in his urine.


Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html

~~ 
~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special  
needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they  
add up until she earns a free can of formula!

PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing  
address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!

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Re: Sebastian Update

[Gloria Lane]

What have you dont for Sebastion that's helped him, do you think?   
I'm SO GLAD that he's doing better.


Gloria


On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:21 PM, JENNIFER RATLIFF wrote:

Sebastian has been doing alot better.  His hind legs are getting a  
little stronger.  I am still looking for a good vet that has alot  
of exprience dealing with +kitties.  I have tried to pull up the  
list on the kitties website, but I can't for some reason.  I live  
in West Virginia.  Also, does anyone know of any vitamins or  
supplements that I should being giving Sebastian on a daily basis  
to help with his appetite and immune system.


P.S I am praying for Bramble.

Re: any info on this poor kitty

[Gloria Lane]

I think there are several, but the list I'm on is sickcats at  
yahoogroups.com


Gloria

On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

many clinics have "help" funds too
And there IS another group that helps, I believe I read about it on  
this list..

Maybe check archives.
Patti

Re: any info on this poor kitty

[Gloria Lane]

Wonder what she's feeding him and if he's eating ok?  Right, I agree,  
vet is in order.


Gloria

On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty – recently he  
started going bathroom (both 1 & 2) all over the house other than  
litter box – his eyes also started twitching and lost some hair –  
she wanted to know what’s going on – I suggested to take him to a  
vet and do a blood work to eliminate any major organ related stuff  
– but she is in a very serious financial problem right now, and she  
said that she couldn’t afford to do so –




I almost wanted to offer to pay for her vet bill (like I have an  
money left), but if you have any insights on this, I would really  
appreciate it – these symptoms are very hard ones to figure out as  
they could be caused any number of things (both emotional and  
medical), but any insight is appreciated. Thank you!

Re: thanking for the incredible support system

[Gloria Lane]

I agree, this is a great group - you're so right, some of the groups  
are very stringent, with hard-nosed moderators, and it's hard to say  
things and get answers.


Thank you for being here!

Gloria


On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I  
also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for  
me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for  
that matter –


I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff) –

I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus  
kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs – but the mediator on  
the list is very controlling and mean – if you questions anything  
she says she gets made and took you off the list – she only  
believes in certain treatment and she doesn’t let you argue about  
it otherwise – and she does not allow any OT subjects – I really  
liked everyone else on that list, but couldn’t stand the mediator  
(and so did other people on the list) –




Anyway, thank you so very much for your support – don’t’ know what  
to do without you guys – I am glad that I found you!

Re: I'm Back!!

[felv]

WB Terrie! Wow, you missed alot... you might want 
to do an archives reading session. :-)
 
I'm not sure exactly how long you've been gone, 
but I think the two most current issues on the list are Michelle's Bramble not 
doing well (seizures), and the Angel Wings Cat Sanctuary fiasco (turns out 
to be a kitty hell-hole). You guys correct me if I missed something else major 
in the past couple of days.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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RE: Hideyo - how is Corky?

[catatonya]

That's good news about Corky!  I just hate dealing with emergency vets.  I'm glad you got him home.  I hope Carl feels better soon and perks up too.
 
tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you for asking, Nina. She is doing much better - I had to fightwith the vet at the emergency clinic to get her back though. It wasvery frustrating, because she was no longer bleeding or vomiting andthey told me that I could take her back after 12 hrs if she was nolonger showing any symptoms - so I went to pick her at 8 pm and theycompletely ignored me until 10:30 pm - so I finally got mad and demandto take her home. They did not want to let her go and asked why? Theysaid "she is doing really well, but they just want to keep her to makesure she doesn't throw up" - so I said, I am very a responsible caregiver for my animals. I can certainly watch her and I only live 10 minsaway from here. If anything changes, I will bring her right back. Ijust felt that she would recover better at home when she is not anxiousand doesn't have to watch
 all the emergency episodes going on in frontof her face all night long - anyway, the still did not want to - but Ifought back - and got her back (I think they were just trying to makeeasy money - by making her stay there for another 12 hrs. Anyway, she hasn't been bleeding and vomiting - and she is a happy girlagain. Thank you again for all the prayers!!Carl is also doing good - but something about him, he looks very sad - Idon't know why, but it makes me cry when I see him so sad - he eatsreally really well, and he is very affectionate, but he just looks sadat times (and my boyfriend, Greg said that same things about Carl) - Iam going to talk to Dr. Ryan (AC) to see why he is so sad - -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Hideyo - how is
 Corky?You haven't updated us about Corky. How is he? Is he home?Nina

Re: Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

[catatonya]

In the summer when it's hot, the animals do eat less.  All I could suggest would be to try to tempt them with goodies...
 
Good luck.  They are lucky to have you!
 
tonyaNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gloria,What a wonderful human this person is! I can't tell you if this is 'normal' behavior for cats due to a weather change. The ferals shouldn't be acting any different than any of her other cats in the same circumstances. I would suggest adding ice to their water bowls during the hottest times of the day, that may help cool them down somewhat. How about a plastic pool float filled with water and covered with a sheet for them to lie on in the shade? The fact that they're both not eating is interesting. How long has she had them? The first thing that comes to mind is that perhaps they are depressed about their captive situation. Could it be they've stopped eating because they want to be free again? I do hope that's not it, because of the male's FeLV status, she couldn't release him, even if she wanted to. Does she have plenty of
 environmental stimulus for them to keep their minds and bodies active? I would try adding something new to climb on to the enclosure, maybe a new hiding place, etc. Is there a way for them to get up high and survey the surrounding territory? I really feel for her. I know what it's like to do everything you can to try and help, only to realize that our intervention is causing them distress. Is the male displaying any symptoms of sickness besides the lack of appetite? If she wants someone to bounce ideas off of, or someone to just commiserate, please give her my email address. Sending lots of positive energy,NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:>>> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:20:30 -0500>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> From: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> Subject: Question about feral with FeLV Well, in my opinion, you have a wonderful set up there and
 certainly >> did the right thing for the ferals. I don't know about the eating - have they thrown up? Diarrhea? >> etc. Have you tried extremely tastey wet kitty food, or sardines or >> fried chicken, to see if they can be tempted? There's a more active list, if you're interested, go to >> felineleukemia.org.- Meanwhile, I"ll forward your message to that >> group - Gloria>> in Arkansas At 11:00 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote:> Is there anyone in this group with experience with FERAL cats with>>> feline leukemia? Specifically - their eating habits during hot>>> weather.>> We have a feral cat that was shot with a bb gun back in March. We>>> trapped him and had him treated by an animal eye specialist. He lost>>> his eye. Only after
 the eye surgery, etc. did we learn he was>>> leukemia positive. He was one-half of a bonded couple.>> We have an outdoor enclosure for our regular indoor cats - for them>>> to spend some time each day outdoors. SO - after we learned of the>>> feral's situation, we built a SEPARATE enclosure in our back yard for>>> this bonded pair. His girlfriend is leukemia negative and has now>>> been through the series of vaccinations. Keeping them separate was>>> not an option as she was stressing big time (i.e., losing hair with>>> no physical explanation, etc.). And yes, we have had vet care for>>> both of them.>> The feral recovered from the eye situation and had been doing very>>> well until last weekend when he just all of a sudden stopped eating>>> very much. His girlfriend has also cut way, way back on
 her food>>> intake. I live in south Texas and it is very hot here during this>>> time of the year.>> Both cats still look to be in pretty good shape. If it were ONLY the>>> leukemic cat that wasn't eating, I would know it was his disease;>>> however with BOTH of them cutting back, I am wondering if it is an>>> instinctual response to the weather. Obviously, however, I am more>>> concerned with him not eating as he has less reserves than she does.>>> I've tried EVERYTHING I can think of to entice him to eat (i.e., baby>>> food, sardines, tuna, different canned foods, different dry foods,>>> chicken broth, boiled chicken - YOU NAME IT). I see him nibbling>>> occasionally but I can tell from the amount of food leftover that he>>> is not eating much at all.>> We have fans on them and
 we've set up a "mister" system on the side>>> of the cage - placed so that the water does not hit the cats, but>>> cools the area somewhat.>> Does anyone have any input on a situation where a feral cat just>>> stops eating when it gets very hot? And if so, how long do they do>>> this? Getting vet care for him is almost impossible because he has>>> to be trapped, sedated, etc. I don't want to stress him any more>>> than necessary and again, so far, he does not look to be in bad>>> shape.>> Help>>>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?>>> Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for 

Re: any info on this poor kitty

[felv]

Here's the link Nina sent to me. ALL kinds of 
financial help for pets:
http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links.html#finance 
 
I, too, am thinking blockage... not something 
anything should have to endure, REALLY horrible way to die, almost always fatal 
within days, if not hours, once they get 100% blocked. He needs to go to a vet. 
Very common problem in male cats these days, sadly. Sometimes they can use a 
catheter to open the blockage, but sometimes it requires surgery to correct 
permanently. Has she turned him over and really looked hard at his pee-pee? It 
may be an infection, if that's the case, he may look obviously reddened around 
his penile area. She can try gently massaging it a little with clean fingers, 
judge his reaction, most any cat will struggle and try to get away, but if he 
blows a gasket and freaks out and screams in pain, that's a likely sign he needs 
vet care for some kind of urinary problem. Also, see if she can lock him in a 
room with bare floors, and put down just a white sheet or towel for him to 
pee on. That way, she'll be able to see if there's any blood in his 
urine.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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dog meat trade in korea-ot

[catatonya]

I received a letter from IDA asking them to contact officials in Korea asking them "politely that for the health of Korean citizens and for the millions of dogs who are already suffering unimaginable cruelties, they must not allow the legalization of the dog meat trade.  Urge them to create an enforceable ban on the sale of dog meat."
 
The letter stated that cats are eaten as well.  I think it's just right now that they are considering legalizing (officially) dog meat.
 
I changed around/cut and pasted the letter below and sent it to the following 3 people.  If you have time to do it, here are the emails and the letter I used.
 
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1-Ambassador Han (in Washington) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
2-Minister Han (no relation. ha!) Minister of Office for Govt. Policy Coordination  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
3-Honorable Hur (Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
I am writing you to please use your position in your government to create an enforceable ban on the sale of dog meat in Korea.  I know Americans are looked upon as hypocrites in this area, but I am a vegetarian and do not eat any animals.  Still, it is especially horrible to think of the lives of the dogs and cats slaughtered cruelly for food in your country.  Please urge your country NOT to legalize the dog meat trade.  Thank you for your time and consideration.
 
Tonya Tolbert
Acworth, GA
U.S.

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Gloria B. Lane]

I think it's good to question and look for complete stories.  Thanks for 
giving an alternate view.


Gloria

At 01:58 PM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
  I would like to point out a couple thingsI and others have heard of 
the Angel Wings on Long Island NYThis is not the same one that we 
have the pictures of in Tenn
Please don't confuse the 2 as I believe the one on Long Island continues 
to be a very well run place...


Secondly...These pictures look like someone went there and photographed 
all the bad stuff they could find...The dead animals were bad...What I had 
expected to see was cages stacked to the ceiling in a dark room with one 
small windowActuall...I don't know a cat that wouldn't rather be 
ending his life by basking in the sun atop a junk wood pile or hanging 
around a junk car in the tall grass than being locked up in a 2 x 3 cage...


But surprisingly they didn't show but a couple cats...Some had been shaved 
but their ribs weren't showing...I would like to form my opinion of this 
place on some detailed pictures of all the cats and perhaps a video of 
these cats reacting with their people...Pictures of empty Science Diet 
bags thrown out behind the house don't really tell me much except that 
somebody has been eating well...


Maybe before we bash all shelters and homes we could set up a home visit 
type of data base of these types of places so we could recommend or not 
from out own personal experience rather than some unknown person who very 
well mat be a cat hater


What do you think ???
Tad


Belinda Sauro wrote:

  Jenn,
  Thank you that is fabulous :)

Sebastian Update

[JENNIFER RATLIFF]

Sebastian has been doing alot better.  His hind legs are getting a little stronger.  I am still looking for a good vet that has alot of exprience dealing with +kitties.  I have tried to pull up the list on the kitties website, but I can't for some reason.  I live in West Virginia.  Also, does anyone know of any vitamins or supplements that I should being giving Sebastian on a daily basis to help with his appetite and immune system.
P.S I am praying for Bramble.

Re: any info on this poor kitty

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
many 
  clinics have "help" funds too 

And there IS another group that helps, I believe I 
read about it on this list..
Maybe check archives.
Patti

Re: any info on this poor kitty

[PEC2851]

Title: AOL Email





  
  

  
  
  In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  and what about imom?
  
  Last I heard, sadly, IMOM was in financial straits and 
  was not able to help as much as before
  Patti
   

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I wonder who we should contact?  Senators/reps?  news media?
 
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RE: any info on this poor kitty

[Barb Moermond]

many clinics have "help" funds too - and what about imom?"Kathleen A. Berard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Thyroid comes to mind . . . but not sure that’s what it is. Might be worth having it checked. I realize she is having financial troubles but . . . her cat’s well-being is a responsibility too.
 
Kat
 

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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: any info on this poor kitty
 
I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty – recently he started going bathroom (both 1 & 2) all over the house other than litter box – his eyes also started twitching and lost some hair – she wanted to know what’s going on – I suggested to take him to a vet and do a blood work to eliminate any major organ related stuff – but she is in a very serious financial problem right now, and she said that she couldn’t afford to do so –
 
I almost wanted to offer to pay for her vet bill (like I have an money left), but if you have any insights on this, I would really appreciate it – these symptoms are very hard ones to figure out as they could be caused any number of things (both emotional and medical), but any insight is appreciated. Thank you!
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Re: any info on this poor kitty

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 6/9/2005 6:51:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
recently 
  he started going bathroom (both 1 & 2) all over the house other than 
  litter box – 

PS ~ I was also thinking a "blockage", 
undiagnosed & NOT treated is always (99.9%) fatal
Unusual litterbox habits are usually a 
cat's way of trying to "let us know" something is very 
wrong.
Sorry, wish I had some encouraging words 
for you, but this poor baby really needs a vet, and at 12, well, it could be so 
many diff. things.
And "guessing" is NOT the 
answer.
Good Luck,
Patti

Re: any info on this poor kitty

[PEC2851]

Hideyo,
I agree, the cat really needs to see a vet.
Is there a shelter or humane society near by that has 
clinics?
Our shelter has spay/neuter clinics twice weekly, but time 
is put aside for "hardship" cases..The vets will do an exam, run the 
bloodwork, then advisse what further treatment or options are 
available.
In cases, when a client can NOT afford a reg vet, our vets 
will treat patient at a pittance (sp) of the cost. Also, they will Rx meds at 
Less than cost..
I guess we are lucky to have such a caring org. We do not like 
to see ANY animal be denied necessary medical care just due to the god almighty 
$$$'s.
Patti

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Re: thanking for the incredible support system

[Samiluke]

Hi,
 
There's also this FIP group at yahoo groups if you want to give it a 
try:
 
Yahoo! 
Groups : FIPsupport-group 
 
Yvonne

RE: any info on this poor kitty

[Kathleen A. Berard]

Title: Message








Thyroid comes to mind . . . but not sure
that’s what it is. Might be worth having it checked. I realize she is
having financial troubles but . . . her cat’s well-being is a
responsibility too.

 

Kat

 



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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:50
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: any info on this poor
kitty

 

I have a colleague who has a 12 year old
boy kitty – recently he started going bathroom (both 1 & 2) all over
the house other than litter box – his eyes also started twitching and
lost some hair – she wanted to know what’s going on – I
suggested to take him to a vet and do a blood work to eliminate any major organ
related stuff – but she is in a very serious financial problem right now,
and she said that she couldn’t afford to do so –

 

I almost wanted to offer to pay for her
vet bill (like I have an money left), but if you have any insights on this, I
would really appreciate it – these symptoms are very hard ones to figure
out as they could be caused any number of things (both emotional and medical),
but any insight is appreciated. Thank you!

 

Re: RE: any info on this poor kitty

[BONNIE J KALMBACH]

I think that kitty needs to be seen by a vet soon.

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 9, 2005 5:49 pm
Subject: RE: any info on this poor kitty

> I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty - recently he 
> startedgoing bathroom (both 1 & 2) all over the house other than 
> litter box -
> his eyes also started twitching and lost some hair - she wanted to 
> knowwhat's going on - I suggested to take him to a vet and do a 
> blood work
> to eliminate any major organ related stuff - but she is in a very
> serious financial problem right now, and she said that she couldn't
> afford to do so -
> 
> 
> 
> I almost wanted to offer to pay for her vet bill (like I have an money
> left), but if you have any insights on this, I would really appreciate
> it - these symptoms are very hard ones to figure out as they could be
> caused any number of things (both emotional and medical), but any
> insight is appreciated. Thank you!
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: any info on this poor kitty

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Title: Message








I have a colleague who has a 12 year old
boy kitty – recently he started going bathroom (both 1 & 2) all over
the house other than litter box – his eyes also started twitching and
lost some hair – she wanted to know what’s going on – I suggested
to take him to a vet and do a blood work to eliminate any major organ related
stuff – but she is in a very serious financial problem right now, and she
said that she couldn’t afford to do so –

 

I almost wanted to offer to pay for her
vet bill (like I have an money left), but if you have any insights on this, I
would really appreciate it – these symptoms are very hard ones to figure
out as they could be caused any number of things (both emotional and medical),
but any insight is appreciated. Thank you!

 

RE: Message 6-Homemade diet

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   1. RE: Help (Hideyo Yamamoto)
   2. RE: Sam is lost - AC (Hideyo Yamamoto)
   3. Dr Plechner & Blood test - Hideyo (Belinda Sauro)
   4. RE: Dr Plechner & Blood test - Hideyo (Hideyo Yamamoto)
   5. Re: Dr Plechner & Blood test - Hideyo (Belinda Sauro)
   6. Re: Dr Plechner & Blood test - Hideyo (Belinda Sauro)
   7. Re: Dr Plechner & Blood test - Hideyo (Belinda Sauro)
   8. RE: Dr Plechner & Blood test - Hideyo (Hideyo Yamamoto)
   9. RE: Sam is lost - AC (Gloria B. Lane)
  10. RE: Sam is lost - AC (tamara stickler)


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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:34:44 -0600
From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Is this the test that Dr. Plechnner suggest or is this something else?
If so, much cheaper than what the book says - huh?


Hideyo

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help

   I had Bailey and Joey tested with this special test, the lab charges
$120.00 per cat and my vet added $60.00 per cat, so I paid $180.00 per
test, I was a bit shocked but we did find out that both of them are very

low on cortisiod, and some other things.  That's one of the reasons I
switching to homemade food and they are both on low doses of pred to try

and get their cortisiod up to normal levels, I need to retest just
haven't been able to yet.  I think a restest is $70.00 or 80.00 per
test.

There are only 5 or 6 labs capable of doing the test, guess that's why
it is so expensive.

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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:38:33 -0600
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Subject: RE: Sam is lost - AC
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Any update on Sam??

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Sam is lost - AC

Good luck! Let me know what you find out - if you don't get what you
need, or need a second opinion (which I definitely recommend as non one
is 100% accurate at 100% of the time, as they told me),
Please try, Marta Williams is very good, too(she published a book called
"Learning their language", which is pretty amazing and Annette Martin
(?)-she also works with Police to help them find missing people
408-379-6669 as well.


My favorite person is Janet Shepherd -

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Sam is lost - AC

Thank you!!  I did contact Jasmine - she said she didn't deal with lost
kitties, but gave me the name of Diane Samsel, in South Carolina, and I
have an appointment with her in the morning at 10am cst!!  Thank you!!

Gloria

At 04:25 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote:
>Gloria, please contact ACs to see if they can help you find Sam, this
is
>an emergency and I know they can help locate Sam ASAP
>
>I am leaving a couple of ACs names and the contact info to see if they
>can help - they are all very good. Some also helped locate Sally's lost
>cat, too.
>
>Good luck everything - Also, Dr. Geri Ryan has a meditation that you
can
>use that is effective and bring an animal home quickly - please mention
>that it's an emergency.
>
>Marta Williams - 707.829.8186
>Janet Shepherd (410) 664-9960
>Jasmine Indra - (207) 443-1125 510-325-2062 (cell)
>Dr. Geri Ryan (instructor) 510-569-6123-
>Annette Betcher 360-871-4774
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
>Kerry N.
>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005

RE: thanking for the incredible support system

[Barbara Baass]

Where do all of you get the interferon? I need to get some for Samson's mouth.
Barbara Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you had to lose all the good people too.
I've never belonged to any other web group of any sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally agree--everyone is so generous and supportive as well as incredibly knowledgeable. 
I can't understand what gets into people when they behave like the one you describe. They clearly have "Issues" and instead of facing up to them, they just make everyone else suffer. It's such a shame and so unnecessary. 

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: thanking for the incredible support system

I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter – 
I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff) – 
I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs – but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean – if you questions anything she says she gets made and took you off the list – she only believes in certain treatment and she doesn’t let you argue about it otherwise – and she does not allow any OT subjects – I really liked everyone else on that list, but couldn’t stand the mediator (and so did other people on the list) –
 
Anyway, thank you so very much for your support – don’t’ know what to do without you guys – I am glad that I found you!

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RE: thanking for the incredible support system

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Hmm. 
Any chance a bunch of you could start another FIP list, without her? It sounds 
such a shame that in order to lose her, you had to lose all the good people 
too.
I've 
never belonged to any other web group of any sort, so I've landed real lucky in 
finding this one. Totally agree--everyone is so generous and supportive as well 
as incredibly knowledgeable. 
I 
can't understand what gets into people when they behave like the one you 
describe. They clearly have "Issues" and instead of facing up to them, they 
just make everyone else suffer. It's such a shame and so 
unnecessary. 

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:43 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: thanking for the 
incredible support system

I know people on this list make a 
lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the 
support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the 
support for that matter – 
I really love this list as we can 
talk about anything (any OT stuff) – 
I used to be on FIP list since I 
have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs – but 
the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean – if you questions 
anything she says she gets made and took you off the list – she only believes in 
certain treatment and she doesn’t let you argue about it otherwise – and she 
does not allow any OT subjects – I really liked everyone else on that list, but 
couldn’t stand the mediator (and so did other people on the list) 
–
 
Anyway, thank you so very much for 
your support – don’t’ know what to do without you guys – I am glad that I found 
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thanking for the incredible support system

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this,
but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and
for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter – 

I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any
OT stuff) – 

I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus
kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs – but the mediator on the
list is very controlling and mean – if you questions anything she says
she gets made and took you off the list – she only believes in certain
treatment and she doesn’t let you argue about it otherwise – and she
does not allow any OT subjects – I really liked everyone else on that
list, but couldn’t stand the mediator (and so did other people on the
list) –

 

Anyway, thank you so very much for your support – don’t’
know what to do without you guys – I am glad that I found you!

RE: Ginger is eating with Periactin

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Michelle, how is Ginger?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Ginger is eating with Periactin

I would absolutely postpone the ultrasound.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Last night I got the Vix vaporizer working (Ginger still is sniffly) 
> and gave her periactin for the first time, not expecting much because 
> I have never found periacting (cyrpoheptadine) to get cats or dogs 
> eating. An hour later I went in to see her and she went over to the 
> bowl and ate half a can of fancy feast.  This morning when she got up 
> she went right over to the bowls and nibbled on a little bit of fancy 
> feast left from last night and then stopped. I brought her new stuff 
> and she did not seem interested, so I gave her periactin again.  I 
> just went in and she ate some, maybe 1/8 or 1/4 of a can.  Definite 
> improvement.  She is playing like crazy, trying to get out of the 
> bedroom, etc. Other than not eating  normally without a stimulant and 
> being a little bit stuffy, she is acting normal.
>  
> She has her ultrasound scheduled for tomorrow. I just left them a 
> message explaining what is going on and asking if they think it is ok 
> to postpone it again to see if she will pick up eating on her own 
> without periactin over the next few days. What do you think?
>  
> Michelle

RE: [FivCats] Re: integrating FIV+ with negatives

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Nina, I just found it – thank you!

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:00
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: FW: [FivCats] Re:
integrating FIV+ with negatives



 

I can’t remember who it was – someone
on this list found the study that I had read about regarding FIV transmission
with casual contacts at multi cat household a long time ago –

 

Nina, do you remember?  I think you
were part of the conversation on this, too.









From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:58
PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [FivCats] Re:
integrating FIV+ with negatives



 

I will try – I thought it was some
one from this list – but if not, maybe it was some one from FeLV support
list who actually had the research information that I had read about a long
time ago -  she happens to keep all archive information of any interesting
articles about FIV/FeLV stuff - 

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:58
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [FivCats] Re:
integrating FIV+ with negatives



 

-- Original
message --
From: "Hideyo Yamamoto"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I know we discussed this before - but I need
to ask again.
> 
> Are there anyone on the list who integrated
FIV+ with negatives and a
> negative became positive at all by living
together?
> 
> There is a research (I mentioned before, too)
done, it shows that,
> casual contacts (with no apparent biting
involved) can transmit FIV to
> negatives at a multi household.

Could you send a link (or links) to those research
studies?  Since none of us on this list have had this happen, I'm sure
we'd all be interested in those studies  - who conducted them, how they
were done, etc.

--
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FW: [FivCats] Re: integrating FIV+ with negatives

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I can’t remember who it was –
someone on this list found the study that I had read about regarding FIV
transmission with casual contacts at multi cat household a long time ago –

 

Nina, do you remember?  I think you
were part of the conversation on this, too.









From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:58
PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [FivCats] Re:
integrating FIV+ with negatives



 

I will try – I thought it was some
one from this list – but if not, maybe it was some one from FeLV support list
who actually had the research information that I had read about a long time ago
-  she happens to keep all archive information of any interesting articles
about FIV/FeLV stuff - 

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:58
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [FivCats] Re:
integrating FIV+ with negatives



 

-- Original
message --
From: "Hideyo Yamamoto"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I know we discussed this before - but I need
to ask again.
> 
> Are there anyone on the list who integrated
FIV+ with negatives and a
> negative became positive at all by living
together?
> 
> There is a research (I mentioned before, too)
done, it shows that,
> casual contacts (with no apparent biting
involved) can transmit FIV to
> negatives at a multi household.

Could you send a link (or links) to those research
studies?  Since none of us on this list have had this happen, I'm sure we'd
all be interested in those studies  - who conducted them, how they were
done, etc.

--
Marge, Sugar, Spice, Creamsicle (FIV+), and Callie
Bridge Kitties Felix and Oscar
Kitties at 
  
  
 
    
 
    
 
   
  
 
  
 
    
 
    







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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo)

[TenHouseCats]

i was speaking more generally when i said, "not optimum," NOT in
reference to those photos!



-- 
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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo)

[felv]

Well, there is a point at which the room is just 
not available for any cats, much less those with FELV. While in theory, I 
support a no-kill stance, in certain areas, I know it's just not possible to 
save them all. Tennessee is one of the most over-run states with unwanted 
animals (Georgia is probably worse). Even many of the humane societies there 
have kill policies, just because there's not enough homes or shelters for all 
the unwanted pets there. I used to work at the Memphis Humane Society, 
and they really tried to hold all the cats until they were adopted, but if 
one stayed for more than 6 months, usually, it ended up being put down, just 
because after that point, if it hadn't found a home yet, it was unlikely it ever 
would, and it freed cage space for one who might have a chance. The one that was 
there that long while I was working there was a biter, so that's why he never 
got adopted. But they also immediately put down any sick animals with anything 
more serious than a URI. Distemper kittens... killed, FELV+... killed, etc. The 
fact that Tennessee has such a severe problem means that it is also, 
unfortunately, prime breeding ground for unethical rescues or 
hoarders. 
 
I have NO problem with a free-roaming cat rescue, 
and in fact, I LIKED the way Angel Wings was set up, with acreage and cat 
fencing so they could roam freely. The problem, for me, arises when I see dead 
rotting corpses and piles of filth. 
 
Outside, the bags and trash, and junk cars, and 
all that, not good, but I could live with that, and even go so far as to say, 
the cats would not mind that at all, and probably would prefer that to a clean 
cage life, being as you said, free to roam, and bask in the sun (and to try to 
find a clean place to do it from). 
BUT (and here is where the line is drawn for me), 
if you look on the lost and found page, there are two lovely cats whom were sent 
to this place to live out their lives. They are obviously very strongly bonded 
siblings.
http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/lost_feral_yellow_siblings_sh.jpg 
"Two yellow mature cats – one male, one 
female.  The male didn’t have any top teeth. They were siblings and found 
in the wild – both feral and not used to people. Surrendered to Cats Unlimited 
in Lexington, VA in spring 2004."
What if this is ONE of them, and the other had to 
see this happen, and possibly sat over his dead body for days, knowing that she 
was going to be next?
http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/deadcatinakitchendrawer.jpg
What if these were YOUR cats, that YOU placed 
here? How can you see that and NOT feel at least some sympathy for the cats who 
had to endure this place?
 
And that filth INSIDE the house? NO CAT should 
ever have to live in those kind of conditions! "Not optimum" doesn't even begin 
to describe the horrors shown in those photos.
 
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~a 
really hard question to answer: should all these FeLVs have 
beenautomatically euthanized? is living longer and enjoying the 
sunshinefor a few months what the cat would choose even if the 
conditionsaren't optimum? i don't know.
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Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

[Barbara Lowe]

if you go to the military mascots page and read the 
stories about some of the mascots, it's even more heartbreaking when some 
military brass then vetoes an animal being shipped stateside when the necessary 
money has been raised. it costs big bucks to bring an animal back-the vet bills, 
transport, etc--and remember the military is not paid big bucks. 
barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Cherie A 
  Gabbert 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:41 
  AM
  Subject: Re: OT: US military killing dogs 
  in Iraq
  
  I am sick and weeping for those dogs.BONNIE J 
  KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  http://usmilitarykillsdogs.allsupportgroup.info/www.elephants.com
  Have a purrfect day
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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Tad Burnett]

Hi Belinda..
  Yes ..I did read the story and personally I can't see why anyone
would send their pet to a place they couldn't visit before and after it
went there...Perhaps the cats that come here are ones like mine...Last
chance cats...Nobody wanted them and there lives were saved from the
gas chamber...
 
  I guess a point that I wanted to make was that the quality of the
photographs wasn't any better than the property...And it didn't show
the whole story..namely where were all the cats.
 
Hopefully we are all confusing this place with Angel Gate (as far as
place where we have taken our cats) and no one has taken them to Angel
Wings...I just wanted everyone to realize that they are not the same
place..are a world of difference...
 
I hope it turns out that no body has taken there cat there and is
paying a lot of good money for its stay their...
 
Tad


Belinda Sauro wrote:
  
Tad,
  
  Did you read the story, no one is allowed to visit?
  
  

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 6/9/2005 1:28:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  That is so trueMy son wants to rescue everything we see, from the 
  smallest butterfly to the cats we have, he is 5 and I hope this caring nature 
  stays with him.
  Cherie

My daughter was the same.
 I NEVER pushed my vegan life style on her, but 
she did accompany me to the shelter weekly from the age of 
3.
At 16,she started working at the shelter 
& she became a vegan and really began to educate herself on animal 
rights. She used much of this info for reports, lectures, papers necessary for 
schoolwork.Even graphic art work.(Her minor is in Art)
She is now 21, a 2nd year college student, Deans List 
(Yes, I AM proud), and is going to pursue some type of vocation involving the 
teaching/ethics of animals, and other species than humans.
I applaud her!
She will go far, I am sure,
Just hope she does not "burn out" like Mom.
Patti

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contac tinfo)

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 6/9/2005 3:01:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angels Gate is 
  in Long Island

Again, EXACTLY.
NOT TENN.

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[PEC2851]

Yes, I made it very clear in my post that my 
Felix went to Angel's Gate in L.I., N.Y.
 
I also stated Victor & Susan are marvelous and 
their sanctuary/hospice is IMMACULATE!
 
In fact, one of the first things Felix did was to jump 
on their bed, covered w/ a white spread! With his IBD, I was so panicky he'd 
leave a mess...
Victor's reply, "That is why God invented 
washing machines!
I was at ease at once.
 
ANGEL'S GATE is a prime example of what a sanctuary 
should be!
Patti

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[TenHouseCats]

i have to say that it almost looked like an abandoned property--like
things were left that way when they moved out. a lot of folks
don't clean up when they leave a place, and tossing old food bags and
departed cat-trees looks a lot like that before final clean-up

no explanation i can think of for the dead critters, tho

trashing all sanctuaries and/or shelters does NO one any good; i'll
repeat what i said about kittykind a week or so ago--we do not have
all the facts, and there are realities to running a sanctuary
environment that are beyond the experience of most cat-companions. i
also need to add here that i don't know of ONE sanctuary that hasn't
been bashed in the past by at least one person or group--and often
based on nothing more than rumors. one REALLY does need to know the
agenda of the folks doing the bashing sometimes

my biggest concern is that what she wrote to jenn and what's in the
article about there not being FeLVs is absolutely untrue. there may
not be any NOW, but i know of many groups and individuals who took
FeLVs there when no one was accepting them. i do know of ONE person
(possibly a second, even--have to check on that one)--who WAS allowed
inside the house (which was only one of her facilities,
SUPPOSEDLY)--my friend was bringing a FeLV to her from a long
distance, and at the point there was a separate room inside the house
for FeLVs.

bottom-line, unfortunately, is that until and unless more people are
willing to step up and help these undesirables, this is gonna keep
happening. HELP OUT--volunteer your time, your extra room, your money,
your fund-raising skills; educate rescues and shelters about FeLV and
FIV.

a really hard question to answer: should all these FeLVs have been
autormatically euthanized? is living longer and enjoying the sunshine
for a few months what the cat would choose even if the conditions
aren't optimum? i don't know.
 

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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Belinda Sauro]

   Tad,
  Did you read the story, no one is allowed to visit?

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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[tamara stickler]

Tad, 
 
I would agree with you..up to a point.  The clutter mess...not good...not as bad as a small cage, but then..you can't really CLEAN around clutter...so not only do you have to view the clutter, but what its hiding.
 
Yeah, there were lots of food bags laying around, and yes it was quality food and cats like to play in those bags...but...what were the bags laying on top of?  What unsanitary conditions were they obsecuring.
 
The rotting corpuses were the kicker tho.  Those weren't animals that had been just expired...esp. the dogs,  those were bodies that had been laying for days, weeks, the one cat and esp. the dog skull...for months or more.  IF the bodies were laying around for weeks...were they feeding the animals around the dead bodies...or not feeding the animals so they didn't notice the dead ones?  And if they aren't going to pick up and toss a dead animal, you can be SURE they aren't washing the food bowls or water bowls.
 
And the cat feces in the one room was absolutely uncalled for.
 
Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I would like to point out a couple thingsI and others have heard of the Angel Wings on Long Island NYThis is not the same one that we have the pictures of in TennPlease don't confuse the 2 as I believe the one on Long Island continues to be a very well run place... Secondly...These pictures look like someone went there and photographed all the bad stuff they could find...The dead animals were bad...What I had expected to see was cages stacked to the ceiling in a dark room with one small windowActuall...I don't know a cat that wouldn't rather be ending his life by basking in the sun atop a junk wood pile or hanging around a junk car in the tall grass than being locked up in a 2 x 3 cage... But surprisingly they didn't show but a couple cats...Some had been shaved but their ribs weren't showing...I would like to form my
 opinion of this place on some detailed pictures of all the cats and perhaps a video of these cats reacting with their people...Pictures of empty Science Diet bags thrown out behind the house don't really tell me much except that somebody has been eating well... Maybe before we bash all shelters and homes we could set up a home visit type of data base of these types of places so we could recommend or not from out own personal experience rather than some unknown person who very well mat be a cat haterWhat do you think ???TadBelinda Sauro wrote: 
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RE: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contac tinfo)

[Doljan, Joan]

Title: Message



Angels 
Gate is in Long Island.

  
  -Original Message-From: Tad Burnett 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:59 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Angel 
  Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of 
  contactinfo)  I would like to point 
  out a couple thingsI and others have heard of the Angel Wings on Long 
  Island NYThis is not the same one that we have the pictures of in 
  TennPlease don't confuse the 2 as I believe the one on Long Island 
  continues to be a very well run place... Secondly...These 
  pictures look like someone went there and photographed all the bad stuff they 
  could find...The dead animals were bad...What I had expected to see was cages 
  stacked to the ceiling in a dark room with one small windowActuall...I 
  don't know a cat that wouldn't rather be ending his life by basking in the sun 
  atop a junk wood pile or hanging around a junk car in the tall grass than 
  being locked up in a 2 x 3 cage... But surprisingly they didn't 
  show but a couple cats...Some had been shaved but their ribs weren't 
  showing...I would like to form my opinion of this place on some detailed 
  pictures of all the cats and perhaps a video of these cats reacting with their 
  people...Pictures of empty Science Diet bags thrown out behind the house don't 
  really tell me much except that somebody has been eating 
  well... Maybe before we bash all shelters and homes we could set 
  up a home visit type of data base of these types of places so we could 
  recommend or not from out own personal experience rather than some unknown 
  person who very well mat be a cat haterWhat do you think 
  ???TadBelinda Sauro wrote: 
    
Jenn,   Thank you that is fabulous :) 

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Tad Burnett]

  I would like to point out a couple thingsI and
others have heard of the Angel Wings on Long Island NYThis is not
the same one that we have the pictures of in Tenn
Please don't confuse the 2 as I believe the one on Long Island
continues to be a very well run place...
 
Secondly...These pictures look like someone went there and photographed
all the bad stuff they could find...The dead animals were bad...What I
had expected to see was cages stacked to the ceiling in a dark room
with one small windowActuall...I don't know a cat that wouldn't
rather be ending his life by basking in the sun atop a junk wood pile
or hanging around a junk car in the tall grass than being locked up in
a 2 x 3 cage...
 
But surprisingly they didn't show but a couple cats...Some had been
shaved but their ribs weren't showing...I would like to form my opinion
of this place on some detailed pictures of all the cats and perhaps a
video of these cats reacting with their people...Pictures of empty
Science Diet bags thrown out behind the house don't really tell me much
except that somebody has been eating well...
 
Maybe before we bash all shelters and homes we could set up a home
visit type of data base of these types of places so we could recommend
or not from out own personal experience rather than some unknown person
who very well mat be a cat hater

What do you think ???
Tad


Belinda Sauro wrote:
 
Jenn,
  
  Thank you that is fabulous :)
  
  

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Barb Moermond]

excellent job Jenn![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Here is my alert email I am sending out to the groups I know have mentioned this "rescue":
 

PLEASE REPOST THIS WIDELY TO ANY GROUPS OR PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE TAKEN A CAT TO ANGEL WINGS SANCTUARY!!!
 
It's recently come to light that there are severe allegations (the photos pretty much prove the case, but we have to say "allegations" until the court makes it's final decisions) against Angel Wings cat rescue/sanctuary in Kingston, Tennessee. I know someone from one of these two groups told me about the place, and if I remember, has taken cats there in the past. You need to contact these people, and try to get your cat back, if it's not already dead (if it is one of the dead ones in the photos, I'd probably try to get in on the case against them). Angel Wings is a sanctuary that allowed the cats to roam freely throughout the entire property, even outside. They never allowed visitors or drop-offs, so no one ever saw the actually property until now. Cats may have been suffering a dying there for quite some time. If you have EVER given a cat (or dog, or horse) to Angel Wings, please go to the following pages and get all the info. You may need to take your
 animal back, as if this place is closed (and I hope to god it is) the animals there may end up not having anywhere else to go. Tennessee has severe pet overpopulation issues, and it being kitten season, all the shelters will probably be too full to accept the cats from Angel Wings. 
 
News Story About the Sanctuary:http://www.roanecounty.com/articles/2005/05/26/news/news02.txtWARNING GRAPHIC PHOTOS:http://angelwingsrescue.org/pics.html
 
SUBMIT A PHOTO OF A CAT YOU PLACED THERE AND WOULD LIKE TO RECOVER:
http://angelwingsrescue.org/lost_found.html
 
The inside source's contact email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is who you need to write to for more info, or to put a claim on a cat. This is the person who is working very hard to help the animals in Ms. Harvey's care, and reunite people with cats from the location, once the case breaks open. Right now, Ms. Harvey is not allowing access to Angel Wing's property, or surrendering any of the cats. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] may have more info, or may not wish to share anymore info, I do not know as I have not written this person myself. Regardless, I am happy to do this research and get all the info you might need if you think one of your animals may be at this location. See below for more contact info for Ms. Harvey, the owner of Angel Wings.
 
NOTE: I MAKE NO GUARANTEES AS TO THE CORRECTNESS OF THIS INFO. ALL INFO WAS FOUND VIA FREE AND OPEN SOURCES ONLINE. I ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO USE THIS INFO!
 
Angel Wings' contact information:
 
Rehnee Harvey
 
Angel Wings Cat Rescue and Sanctuary P.O. Box 754 Kingston, TN 37763-2629 Phone: (865) 376 3291 Fax: (865) 376 3291 
 
I tried to look up Rehnee's personal info using online phone book services, but could not determine if any of these were her address, as there are many Harvey's in Kingston TN. Here is a listing, if anyone would like to try to call them until you track her down. I'm sure most of them would tell you that it's not them, and give you the correct info just to stop the phone calls. Some of them are bound to be her relatives, maybe even in-laws who aren't too impressed by her. I found on some of the searches, it said there is an UNLISTED listing for Rehnee Harvey, but you have to pay to get more info on unlisted people.
http://kevdb.infospace.com/_1_29GEUTE06ZEEGW__disney.go/wp/results/kevdb?OTMPL=/wp/results.htm&QFM=N&QK=5&QN=Harvey&QC=kingston&QS=tn&KCFG=us&ran=21601 
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=&LastName=harvey&City=kingston&State=TN&Phone=&Search=Phone+and+Address+Search 
http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiqa.dll?SR=&MEM=1&LNK=14%3A22&QV=02A655D04B8FB44195303203O01A8E251F473A042F8303203O03A82D3D1272A042E4303203&F=&L=harvey&T=Kingston&S=TN&Z=&Search.x=26&Search.y=2
There is a listing for a Rehnee Harvey in Kingston, TN on Reunion.com. It says she is in her 50's (52 or 53, depending on the source). That may be the correct one, I don't know her age, if anyone else does, and can verify, that might be useful. If anyone has a reunion.com account and wants to try it, she's in there.
 
Here are results I found with a physical address for the rescue itself (note one has an old phone #, one has the same as the current PO box contact from above, so I am SURE this is the actual physical address for the rescue (which would also be Ms. Harvey's home address, I assume):
http://wp.smartpages.com/co/wp/index.jhtml?From=wp&QueryString=Angel+wings&QueryType=2&CityZipAC=kingston&State=TN&ClearLevel=Cloud9
http://ypng.infospace.com/_1_29GEUTE06ZEEGW__info.adrses/ypv3/list.htm?&kcfg=ypus&ypinsp=0&searchtype=all&fromform=qsearch&qhqn=angel+wings&qn=angel+wings&qc=kingston&qs=tn&qk=15&xmlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.superpages.com%2Fxml%2Fsearch%3FSRC%3DInfospace%26se

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[felv]

Thanks, I try! I almost lost it all, I was in a 
panic... my mouse driver died after about an hour of doing all that research, 
and I almost lost all the info (I couldn't mouse up to hit the send button, or 
save it as a draft). Luckily, I was able to use my arrow keys and tabs key to 
open a notepad file, and when I went to my task manager to restart my computer, 
it automatically pops up a warning box when you have an open text file saying 
"would you like to save the current changes to blahblah.txt file? And I was able 
to tag to the yes button, and click my space bar to save it! LOL, there for a 
few minutes I was in an absolute panic...
I'm just glad my computer didn't do a total lock 
up this time! ;-)~
 
I really need a new computer, this thing has so many bugs. I just would 
rather use that $300-$400 to save a cat, rather than buying myself a computer! 
It's really amazing what I can do on this old home made dinosaur! Right now, it 
has no sound, sometimes when it boots up, I get sound, other times I don't... 
maybe my sound card is on it's last legs. LOL! I'm gonna re-boot after I get 
done with all my email and try to get my sound back on.
 
I was also still trying to find an email address for the McCluen guy when 
it died, still got to try to get that...
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~ Jenn,   
Thank you that is fabulous :)
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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Belinda Sauro]

  Jenn,
  Thank you that is fabulous :)

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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Cherie A Gabbert]

Thank you, that is sick...what are these people thinking??/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Here is my alert email I am sending out to the groups I know have mentioned this "rescue":
 

PLEASE REPOST THIS WIDELY TO ANY GROUPS OR PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE TAKEN A CAT TO ANGEL WINGS SANCTUARY!!!
 
It's recently come to light that there are severe allegations (the photos pretty much prove the case, but we have to say "allegations" until the court makes it's final decisions) against Angel Wings cat rescue/sanctuary in Kingston, Tennessee. I know someone from one of these two groups told me about the place, and if I remember, has taken cats there in the past. You need to contact these people, and try to get your cat back, if it's not already dead (if it is one of the dead ones in the photos, I'd probably try to get in on the case against them). Angel Wings is a sanctuary that allowed the cats to roam freely throughout the entire property, even outside. They never allowed visitors or drop-offs, so no one ever saw the actually property until now. Cats may have been suffering a dying there for quite some time. If you have EVER given a cat (or dog, or horse) to Angel Wings, please go to the following pages and get all the info. You may need to take your
 animal back, as if this place is closed (and I hope to god it is) the animals there may end up not having anywhere else to go. Tennessee has severe pet overpopulation issues, and it being kitten season, all the shelters will probably be too full to accept the cats from Angel Wings. 
 
News Story About the Sanctuary:http://www.roanecounty.com/articles/2005/05/26/news/news02.txtWARNING GRAPHIC PHOTOS:http://angelwingsrescue.org/pics.html
 
SUBMIT A PHOTO OF A CAT YOU PLACED THERE AND WOULD LIKE TO RECOVER:
http://angelwingsrescue.org/lost_found.html
 
The inside source's contact email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is who you need to write to for more info, or to put a claim on a cat. This is the person who is working very hard to help the animals in Ms. Harvey's care, and reunite people with cats from the location, once the case breaks open. Right now, Ms. Harvey is not allowing access to Angel Wing's property, or surrendering any of the cats. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] may have more info, or may not wish to share anymore info, I do not know as I have not written this person myself. Regardless, I am happy to do this research and get all the info you might need if you think one of your animals may be at this location. See below for more contact info for Ms. Harvey, the owner of Angel Wings.
 
NOTE: I MAKE NO GUARANTEES AS TO THE CORRECTNESS OF THIS INFO. ALL INFO WAS FOUND VIA FREE AND OPEN SOURCES ONLINE. I ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO USE THIS INFO!
 
Angel Wings' contact information:
 
Rehnee Harvey
 
Angel Wings Cat Rescue and Sanctuary P.O. Box 754 Kingston, TN 37763-2629 Phone: (865) 376 3291 Fax: (865) 376 3291 
 
I tried to look up Rehnee's personal info using online phone book services, but could not determine if any of these were her address, as there are many Harvey's in Kingston TN. Here is a listing, if anyone would like to try to call them until you track her down. I'm sure most of them would tell you that it's not them, and give you the correct info just to stop the phone calls. Some of them are bound to be her relatives, maybe even in-laws who aren't too impressed by her. I found on some of the searches, it said there is an UNLISTED listing for Rehnee Harvey, but you have to pay to get more info on unlisted people.
http://kevdb.infospace.com/_1_29GEUTE06ZEEGW__disney.go/wp/results/kevdb?OTMPL=/wp/results.htm&QFM=N&QK=5&QN=Harvey&QC=kingston&QS=tn&KCFG=us&ran=21601 
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=&LastName=harvey&City=kingston&State=TN&Phone=&Search=Phone+and+Address+Search 
http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiqa.dll?SR=&MEM=1&LNK=14%3A22&QV=02A655D04B8FB44195303203O01A8E251F473A042F8303203O03A82D3D1272A042E4303203&F=&L=harvey&T=Kingston&S=TN&Z=&Search.x=26&Search.y=2
There is a listing for a Rehnee Harvey in Kingston, TN on Reunion.com. It says she is in her 50's (52 or 53, depending on the source). That may be the correct one, I don't know her age, if anyone else does, and can verify, that might be useful. If anyone has a reunion.com account and wants to try it, she's in there.
 
Here are results I found with a physical address for the rescue itself (note one has an old phone #, one has the same as the current PO box contact from above, so I am SURE this is the actual physical address for the rescue (which would also be Ms. Harvey's home address, I assume):
http://wp.smartpages.com/co/wp/index.jhtml?From=wp&QueryString=Angel+wings&QueryType=2&CityZipAC=kingston&State=TN&ClearLevel=Cloud9
http://ypng.infospace.com/_1_29GEUTE06ZEEGW__info.adrses/ypv3/list.htm?&kcfg=ypus&ypinsp=0&searchtype=all&fromform=qsearch&qhqn=angel+wings&qn=angel+wings&qc=kingston&qs=tn&qk=15&xmlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.supe

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[felv]

Here is my alert email I am sending out to the 
groups I know have mentioned this "rescue":
 

PLEASE REPOST THIS 
WIDELY TO ANY GROUPS OR PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE TAKEN A CAT TO ANGEL WINGS 
SANCTUARY!!!
 
It's recently come to light that there are severe 
allegations (the photos pretty much prove the case, but we have to say 
"allegations" until the court makes it's final decisions) against Angel Wings 
cat rescue/sanctuary in Kingston, Tennessee. I know someone from one of these 
two groups told me about the place, and if I remember, has taken cats there in 
the past. You need to contact these people, and try to get your cat back, if 
it's not already dead (if it is one of the dead ones in the photos, I'd probably 
try to get in on the case against them). Angel Wings is a sanctuary that allowed 
the cats to roam freely throughout the entire property, even outside. They never 
allowed visitors or drop-offs, so no one ever saw the actually property until 
now. Cats may have been suffering a dying there for quite some time. If you have 
EVER given a cat (or dog, or horse) to Angel Wings, please go to the following 
pages and get all the info. You may need to take your animal back, as if this 
place is closed (and I hope to god it is) the animals there may end up not 
having anywhere else to go. Tennessee has severe pet overpopulation issues, and 
it being kitten season, all the shelters will probably be too full to accept the 
cats from Angel Wings. 
 
News Story About the Sanctuary:http://www.roanecounty.com/articles/2005/05/26/news/news02.txtWARNING 
GRAPHIC PHOTOS:http://angelwingsrescue.org/pics.html
 
SUBMIT A PHOTO OF A CAT YOU PLACED THERE AND WOULD LIKE TO 
RECOVER:
http://angelwingsrescue.org/lost_found.html
 
The inside source's contact email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is who you 
need to write to for more info, or to put a claim on a cat. This is the person 
who is working very hard to help the animals in Ms. Harvey's care, and reunite 
people with cats from the location, once the case breaks open. Right now, Ms. 
Harvey is not allowing access to Angel Wing's property, or surrendering any of 
the cats. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] may have 
more info, or may not wish to share anymore info, I do not know as I have not 
written this person myself. Regardless, I am happy to do this research and get 
all the info you might need if you think one of your animals may be at this 
location. See below for more contact info for Ms. Harvey, the owner of Angel 
Wings.
 
NOTE: I MAKE NO GUARANTEES 
AS TO THE CORRECTNESS OF THIS INFO. ALL INFO WAS FOUND VIA FREE AND OPEN SOURCES 
ONLINE. I ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO USE THIS 
INFO!
 
Angel Wings' contact information:
 
Rehnee Harvey
 
Angel Wings Cat Rescue and Sanctuary P.O. Box 
754 Kingston, TN 37763-2629 Phone: (865) 376 
3291 Fax: (865) 376 3291 
 
I tried to look up Rehnee's personal info using 
online phone book services, but could not determine if any of these were her 
address, as there are many Harvey's in Kingston TN. Here is a listing, if anyone 
would like to try to call them until you track her down. I'm sure most of them 
would tell you that it's not them, and give you the correct info just to stop 
the phone calls. Some of them are bound to be her relatives, maybe even in-laws 
who aren't too impressed by her. I found on some of the searches, it said there 
is an UNLISTED listing for Rehnee Harvey, but you have to pay to get more info 
on unlisted people.
http://kevdb.infospace.com/_1_29GEUTE06ZEEGW__disney.go/wp/results/kevdb?OTMPL=/wp/results.htm&QFM=N&QK=5&QN=Harvey&QC=kingston&QS=tn&KCFG=us&ran=21601 
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=&LastName=harvey&City=kingston&State=TN&Phone=&Search=Phone+and+Address+Search 
http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiqa.dll?SR=&MEM=1&LNK=14%3A22&QV=02A655D04B8FB44195303203O01A8E251F473A042F8303203O03A82D3D1272A042E4303203&F=&L=harvey&T=Kingston&S=TN&Z=&Search.x=26&Search.y=2
There is a listing for a Rehnee Harvey in 
Kingston, TN on Reunion.com. It says she is in her 50's (52 or 53, depending on 
the source). That may be the correct one, I don't know her age, if anyone else 
does, and can verify, that might be useful. If anyone has a reunion.com account 
and wants to try it, she's in there.
 
Here are results I found with a physical 
address for the rescue itself (note one has an old phone #, one has the same as 
the current PO box contact from above, so I am SURE this is the actual physical 
address for the rescue (which would also be Ms. Harvey's home address, I 
assume):
http://wp.smartpages.com/co/wp/index.jhtml?From=wp&QueryString=Angel+wings&QueryType=2&CityZipAC=kingston&State=TN&ClearLevel=Cloud9
http://ypng.infospace.com/_1_29GEUTE06ZEEGW__info.adrses/ypv3/list.htm?&kcfg=ypus&ypinsp=0&searchtype=all&fromform=qsearch&qhqn=angel+wings&qn=angel+wings&qc=kingston&qs=tn&qk=15&xmlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.superpages.com%2Fxml%2Fsearch%3FSRC%3DInfospac

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary

[Cherie A Gabbert]

That is so trueMy son wants to rescue everything we see, from the smallest butterfly to the cats we have, he is 5 and I hope this caring nature stays with him.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


And the SAD truth is, there are many more, so called sanctuaries like this...
Just all haven't been given the publicity or been "discovered".
And sometimes the whole legal system, regarding penalties and such, is a JOKE! (Not Funny!)
What a sad world we live in.
I sit here, in tears. I did read the article, and worse yet, looked at the photos!
WHY do I torture myself??
Will we ever live in a compassionate world? 
I am beginning to think it won't happen in my lifetime...
That's why I focus on addressing youth groups (especially troubled children) on living in a peaceful, compassionate society with reverance to 
ALL LIVING CREATURES.
The children of today are the rescuers of tomorrow.
With a Heavy Heart,
Patti
Have a purrfect day
Cherie
 

RE: Hideyo - how is Corky?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

When I talked to Jasmine (AC), about being an indoor kitty - he said to
her that he would like that very much - and I think he likes to be an
indoor kitty (he doesn't seem to want to get out or anything) - but he
might be lonely - I don't know.  Right now, he lives in a townhouse next
to mine (my boyfriend lives there) - by himself, until we get
clarifications on his viral status - on ELISA, he is FIV positive -  I
have another cat, Squeaky (if you remember her..), who has always been
tested negative on FIV on snap shot test (three times now), but has been
either positive or equivocal on ELISA, and has been negative or
equivocal on Western Blot - and I don't know what to think - I also so
much wanted to integrate her with everyone else, and I am not sure what
to do with this uncertain situation - I know that FIV does not get
transmitted that easily, but I have so many cats that I feel like I
shouldn't mix them since some of my babies are older --  I know it will
all work out - but I just don't know what to do.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Hideyo - how is Corky?

Hideyo,
Pardon me, SHE!  I'm glad to hear Corky is feeling so much better.  What

a relief.  Do you still not know what caused it?  I hear you about the 
frustrations of getting our kids out of "intensive care" at the vet's 
office!  Perhaps they were just trying to pad the bill, but in their 
defense, there are few owners like the ones on this list.  Most people 
don't take the care we do with sick, or injured animals.  I remember 
watching a story on animal planet about a police dog that had been 
injured and was suppose to be kept quiet while recuperating.  Well the 
cop partner, that should have known better, didn't do whatever it was 
that was necessary and the dog ended up reinjuring himself and had to be

pts.  Man did that frustrate me!

I'm sorry Carl is unhappy.  Didn't the AC tell you that he was enjoying 
his life as a feral and might not want to be a house kitty?  Maybe he's 
just going through a period of adjustment and will come to see the 
benefits of owning humans. 

Keep us informed, as always I'm sending healing, soothing energy your
way,
Nina

Re: Hideyo - how is Corky?

[Nina]

Hideyo,
Pardon me, SHE!  I'm glad to hear Corky is feeling so much better.  What 
a relief.  Do you still not know what caused it?  I hear you about the 
frustrations of getting our kids out of "intensive care" at the vet's 
office!  Perhaps they were just trying to pad the bill, but in their 
defense, there are few owners like the ones on this list.  Most people 
don't take the care we do with sick, or injured animals.  I remember 
watching a story on animal planet about a police dog that had been 
injured and was suppose to be kept quiet while recuperating.  Well the 
cop partner, that should have known better, didn't do whatever it was 
that was necessary and the dog ended up reinjuring himself and had to be 
pts.  Man did that frustrate me!


I'm sorry Carl is unhappy.  Didn't the AC tell you that he was enjoying 
his life as a feral and might not want to be a house kitty?  Maybe he's 
just going through a period of adjustment and will come to see the 
benefits of owning humans. 


Keep us informed, as always I'm sending healing, soothing energy your way,
Nina

RE: Question about feral with FeLV

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Hi, and thank you, thank you, thank you for being such an angel and
taking such good care of the feral kittiesit's also wonderful that
they're a bonded pair. You are absolutely right to keep them together
(and the neg girl will probably remain negative in any case).
Three of my four-strong feral family have FeLV. (There were six, but two
have very sadly succumbed to the FeLV.) I noticed that after the first
succumbed--Caramel, 11/04--the others began eating noticeably less food.
They've never regained their former appetite. They had just turned 1
year then, so I don't know if it was because they needed more while they
were kittens, and the appetite change was just coincidental timing. 
Now, it's just turned very hot here in Chicago--90s. I have the fan on
in their room all the time and the windows open (I'm having the a/c put
back in next weekend), but it seems to me they've been eating even less
since the temp shot up. The weather, I suspect, is making them much less
active, and so I'm not worrying too much about it -- they look fine
otherwise.
(I don't know if this is any help--you've clearly already tried tons of
stuff--but my lot go totally crazy over Wellness dry food--the orange
bag--I think it has salmon, turkey and herring.)
I've also noticed that stress of any sort reduces their appetite for
several days---e.g. I had to have a workman in their room for just a few
seconds last weekend, and I don't think they ate for the rest of the
day, and also ate very little the next few days. When I used to have to
catch Caramel for giving fluids (totally relate to what you say---I
hated doing that so much) there was always much more food left over
every morning and evening for a few days. The stress involved in
catching Caramel appeared to affect everyone's appetite, not just
Caramel's.
Re the trapping business, I'm taking advice from Nina, one of our
wonderful FeLV web list members, and putting their favorite food on
separate dishes and putting the dishes inside 4 carriers, to try and get
them used to going in, esp when I'm sitting there. I'm hoping that once
they get truly used to them (and I've figured out the best size--I've
already changed the carriers once for a bigger size, and think I may
need to do so again, so that not even a little tail is left outside the
carrier when they're grazing the food inside) I'll be able to simply
close the door on anyone that needs subQs or a vet visit. Trouble is,
they're so smart, I fear it may be a one-time dealhope not.
I'm sorry I can't help more--I figure if they seem ok, and are active,
and haven't changed their behavior otherwise, you needn't worry
overly--just keep a close eye on their behavior as we always have to do
with Felv kitties.
Good luck, and keep us posted. The little souls are very lucky to have
found you.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV



>Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:20:30 -0500
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Question about feral with FeLV
>
>Well, in my opinion, you have a wonderful set up there and certainly
did 
>the right thing for the ferals.
>
>I don't know about the eating - have they thrown 
>up?  Diarrhea?  etc.  Have you tried extremely tastey wet kitty food,
or 
>sardines or fried chicken, to see if they can be tempted?
>
>There's a more active list, if you're interested, go to 
>felineleukemia.org.- Meanwhile, I"ll forward your message to that group
-
>
>Gloria
>in Arkansas
>
>At 11:00 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
>>Is there anyone in this group with experience with FERAL cats with
>>feline leukemia?  Specifically - their eating habits during hot
>>weather.
>>
>>We have a feral cat that was shot with a bb gun back in March.  We
>>trapped him and had him treated by an animal eye specialist.  He lost
>>his eye.  Only after the eye surgery, etc. did we learn he was
>>leukemia positive.  He was one-half of a bonded couple.
>>
>>We have an outdoor enclosure for our regular indoor cats - for them
>>to spend some time each day outdoors.  SO - after we learned of the
>>feral's situation, we built a SEPARATE enclosure in our back yard for
>>this bonded pair.  His girlfriend is leukemia negative and has now
>>been through the series of vaccinations.  Keeping them separate was
>>not an option as she was stressing big time (i.e., losing hair with
>>no physical explanation, etc.).  And yes, we have had vet care for
>>both of them.
>>
>>The feral recovered from the eye situation and had been doing very
>>well until last weekend when he just all of a sudden stopped eating
>>very much.  His girlfriend has also cut way, way back on her food
>>intake.  I live in south Texas and it is very hot here during this
>>time of the year.
>>
>>Both cats still look to be in pretty good shape.  If it were ONLY the
>>leukemic cat 

RE: Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Gloria, she probably does not get our messages from this posting right
since you forwarded her message to us - could you forward it to her?  I
will also try to post it on her list group as well if it will let me -

Here's my message to this person -
I had a similar situation with Ginger (who was a feral)couple of months
later since I trapped her - she was eating and completely stopped eating
for a reason - that was very odd - anyway, I had given V-B -12 shots
(which might be difficult for you to give -), but I also had given
homeopathic remedy pallet - called Sulphur and Pulsatilla - don't mix
them - but try one first and see if it works - all you have to do is to
put a several pallets in his water bowl - and leaves for a day or so and
watch him - and wait for 24 hours or so, if he doesn't get better, try
the other - I would personally try Sulphur first.  You can get it at a
health food store -

I will pray that both of your babies will only get better!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

Gloria,
What a wonderful human this person is!  I can't tell you if this is 
'normal' behavior for cats due to a weather change.  The ferals 
shouldn't be acting any different than any of her other cats in the same

circumstances.  I would suggest adding ice to their water bowls during 
the hottest times of the day, that may help cool them down somewhat.  
How about a plastic pool float filled with water and covered with a 
sheet for them to lie on in the shade?  The fact that they're both not 
eating is interesting.  How long has she had them?  The first thing that

comes to mind is that perhaps they are depressed about their captive 
situation.  Could it be they've stopped eating because they want to be 
free again?  I do hope that's not it, because of the male's FeLV status,

she couldn't release him, even if she wanted to.  Does she have plenty 
of environmental stimulus for them to keep their minds and bodies 
active?  I would try adding something new to climb on to the enclosure, 
maybe a new hiding place, etc.  Is there a way for them to get up high 
and survey the surrounding territory?  I really feel for her.  I know 
what it's like to do everything you can to try and help, only to realize

that our intervention is causing them distress.  Is the male displaying 
any symptoms of sickness besides the lack of appetite?  If she wants 
someone to bounce ideas off of, or someone to just commiserate, please 
give her my email address. 
Sending lots of positive energy,
Nina

Gloria B. Lane wrote:

>
>> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:20:30 -0500
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> From: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Question about feral with FeLV
>>
>> Well, in my opinion, you have a wonderful set up there and certainly 
>> did the right thing for the ferals.
>>
>> I don't know about the eating - have they thrown up?  Diarrhea?  
>> etc.  Have you tried extremely tastey wet kitty food,  or sardines or

>> fried chicken, to see if they can be tempted?
>>
>> There's a more active list, if you're interested, go to 
>> felineleukemia.org.- Meanwhile, I"ll forward your message to that 
>> group -
>>
>> Gloria
>> in Arkansas
>>
>> At 11:00 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anyone in this group with experience with FERAL cats with
>>> feline leukemia?  Specifically - their eating habits during hot
>>> weather.
>>>
>>> We have a feral cat that was shot with a bb gun back in March.  We
>>> trapped him and had him treated by an animal eye specialist.  He
lost
>>> his eye.  Only after the eye surgery, etc. did we learn he was
>>> leukemia positive.  He was one-half of a bonded couple.
>>>
>>> We have an outdoor enclosure for our regular indoor cats - for them
>>> to spend some time each day outdoors.  SO - after we learned of the
>>> feral's situation, we built a SEPARATE enclosure in our back yard
for
>>> this bonded pair.  His girlfriend is leukemia negative and has now
>>> been through the series of vaccinations.  Keeping them separate was
>>> not an option as she was stressing big time (i.e., losing hair with
>>> no physical explanation, etc.).  And yes, we have had vet care for
>>> both of them.
>>>
>>> The feral recovered from the eye situation and had been doing very
>>> well until last weekend when he just all of a sudden stopped eating
>>> very much.  His girlfriend has also cut way, way back on her food
>>> intake.  I live in south Texas and it is very hot here during this
>>> time of the year.
>>>
>>> Both cats still look to be in pretty good shape.  If it were ONLY
the
>>> leukemic cat that wasn't eating, I would know it was his disease;
>>> however with BOTH of them cutting back, I am wondering if it is an
>>> instinctual response to the weather.  Obviously, however, I am more
>>> concerned with him not eating as he has less reser

RE: Hideyo - how is Corky?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Thank you for asking, Nina.  She is doing much better - I had to fight
with the vet at the emergency clinic to get her back though.  It was
very frustrating, because she was no longer bleeding or vomiting and
they told me that I could take her back after 12 hrs if she was no
longer showing any symptoms - so I went to pick her at 8 pm and they
completely ignored me until 10:30 pm - so I finally got mad and demand
to take her home. They did not want to let her go and asked why? They
said "she is doing really well, but they just want to keep her to make
sure she doesn't throw up" - so I said, I am very a responsible care
giver for my animals.  I can certainly watch her and I only live 10 mins
away from here.  If anything changes, I will bring her right back.  I
just felt that she would recover better at home when she is not anxious
and doesn't have to watch all the emergency episodes going on in front
of her face all night long - anyway, the still did not want to - but I
fought back - and got her back (I think they were just trying to make
easy money - by making her stay there for another 12 hrs. 

Anyway, she hasn't been bleeding and vomiting - and she is a happy girl
again.  Thank you again for all the prayers!!

Carl is also doing good - but something about him, he looks very sad - I
don't know why, but it makes me cry when I see him so sad - he eats
really really well, and he is very affectionate, but he just looks sad
at times (and my boyfriend, Greg said that same things about Carl) - I
am going to talk to Dr. Ryan (AC) to see why he is so sad - 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Hideyo - how is Corky?

You haven't updated us about Corky.  How is he?  Is he home?
Nina

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary

[PEC2851]

And the SAD truth is, there are many more, so 
called sanctuaries like this...
Just all haven't been given the publicity or 
been "discovered".
And sometimes the whole legal system, regarding 
penalties and such, is a JOKE! (Not Funny!)
What a sad world we live in.
I sit here, in tears. I did read the article, and 
worse yet, looked at the photos!
WHY do I torture 
myself??
Will we ever live in a compassionate world? 

I am beginning to think it won't happen in my 
lifetime...
That's why I focus on addressing youth groups 
(especially troubled children) on living in a peaceful, compassionate society 
with reverance to 
ALL LIVING CREATURES.
The children of today are the rescuers of 
tomorrow.
With a Heavy Heart,
Patti

Re: Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

[Nina]

Gloria,
What a wonderful human this person is!  I can't tell you if this is 
'normal' behavior for cats due to a weather change.  The ferals 
shouldn't be acting any different than any of her other cats in the same 
circumstances.  I would suggest adding ice to their water bowls during 
the hottest times of the day, that may help cool them down somewhat.  
How about a plastic pool float filled with water and covered with a 
sheet for them to lie on in the shade?  The fact that they're both not 
eating is interesting.  How long has she had them?  The first thing that 
comes to mind is that perhaps they are depressed about their captive 
situation.  Could it be they've stopped eating because they want to be 
free again?  I do hope that's not it, because of the male's FeLV status, 
she couldn't release him, even if she wanted to.  Does she have plenty 
of environmental stimulus for them to keep their minds and bodies 
active?  I would try adding something new to climb on to the enclosure, 
maybe a new hiding place, etc.  Is there a way for them to get up high 
and survey the surrounding territory?  I really feel for her.  I know 
what it's like to do everything you can to try and help, only to realize 
that our intervention is causing them distress.  Is the male displaying 
any symptoms of sickness besides the lack of appetite?  If she wants 
someone to bounce ideas off of, or someone to just commiserate, please 
give her my email address. 
Sending lots of positive energy,

Nina

Gloria B. Lane wrote:




Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:20:30 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question about feral with FeLV

Well, in my opinion, you have a wonderful set up there and certainly 
did the right thing for the ferals.


I don't know about the eating - have they thrown up?  Diarrhea?  
etc.  Have you tried extremely tastey wet kitty food,  or sardines or 
fried chicken, to see if they can be tempted?


There's a more active list, if you're interested, go to 
felineleukemia.org.- Meanwhile, I"ll forward your message to that 
group -


Gloria
in Arkansas

At 11:00 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote:


Is there anyone in this group with experience with FERAL cats with
feline leukemia?  Specifically - their eating habits during hot
weather.

We have a feral cat that was shot with a bb gun back in March.  We
trapped him and had him treated by an animal eye specialist.  He lost
his eye.  Only after the eye surgery, etc. did we learn he was
leukemia positive.  He was one-half of a bonded couple.

We have an outdoor enclosure for our regular indoor cats - for them
to spend some time each day outdoors.  SO - after we learned of the
feral's situation, we built a SEPARATE enclosure in our back yard for
this bonded pair.  His girlfriend is leukemia negative and has now
been through the series of vaccinations.  Keeping them separate was
not an option as she was stressing big time (i.e., losing hair with
no physical explanation, etc.).  And yes, we have had vet care for
both of them.

The feral recovered from the eye situation and had been doing very
well until last weekend when he just all of a sudden stopped eating
very much.  His girlfriend has also cut way, way back on her food
intake.  I live in south Texas and it is very hot here during this
time of the year.

Both cats still look to be in pretty good shape.  If it were ONLY the
leukemic cat that wasn't eating, I would know it was his disease;
however with BOTH of them cutting back, I am wondering if it is an
instinctual response to the weather.  Obviously, however, I am more
concerned with him not eating as he has less reserves than she does.
I've tried EVERYTHING I can think of to entice him to eat (i.e., baby
food, sardines, tuna, different canned foods, different dry foods,
chicken broth, boiled chicken - YOU NAME IT).  I see him nibbling
occasionally but I can tell from the amount of food leftover that he
is not eating much at all.

We have fans on them and we've set up a "mister" system on the side
of the cage - placed so that the water does not hit the cats, but
cools the area somewhat.

Does anyone have any input on a situation where a feral cat just
stops eating when it gets very hot?  And if so, how long do they do
this?  Getting vet care for him is almost impossible because he has
to be trapped, sedated, etc.  I don't want to stress him any more
than necessary and again, so far, he does not look to be in bad
shape.

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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

[PEC2851]

I AM so horrified! I would never place a 
cat without pre-screening!
I am pro-life, but in this case humane 
euthanasia would have been much more "humane".
 
I did take my old boy Felix, to Angel's 
Gate, Long Island. NY.
I met Susan & Victor & did visit 
the sanctuary beforehand.
It was a most difficult decision for me, 
but his CRF was so advanced, along w/ IBD, yet his spirit & will to live was 
so strong
He basically needed hospice care, and 
although a very sad and traumatic decision, I had to think of what was best for 
my old man.
 
I am sure his spirit still lives 
on
My beloved Felix, I miss you 
everyday!!
Love,
Patti

PS  THIS IS ONE SANCTUARY/HOSPICE I WOULD HIGHLY 
RECCOMMEND. HOWEVER, THERE IS A LONG WAITING LIST BECAUSE THEY WILL 
NOT TAKE ON ANY MORE THAN THEY CAN ACCOMODATE. I WAS FORTUNATE 
SINCE I HAD MET SUSAN & VICTOR YEARS EARLIER.
I ALSO KNOW THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EXPANDING THEIR FELV+ 
AREA.
 
May God bless all those poor souls who 
suffered such atrocities at this "Hell Hole".
Sleep softly, 
babies..

Angel Wings Sanctuary

[lomaxturtle]

I am not going to read about them as I will get too disturbed but what a horrendous thing to find out. You assume that animals at least get safety when they are placed in a sanctuary from past neglet and abuse - to think that they are just being prisoned to be abused again makes my heart bleed so much. Lets hope it is soon resolved.
 
Michelle L

Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

[Gloria B. Lane]

Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:20:30 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question about feral with FeLV

Well, in my opinion, you have a wonderful set up there and certainly did 
the right thing for the ferals.


I don't know about the eating - have they thrown 
up?  Diarrhea?  etc.  Have you tried extremely tastey wet kitty food,  or 
sardines or fried chicken, to see if they can be tempted?


There's a more active list, if you're interested, go to 
felineleukemia.org.- Meanwhile, I"ll forward your message to that group -


Gloria
in Arkansas

At 11:00 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote:

Is there anyone in this group with experience with FERAL cats with
feline leukemia?  Specifically - their eating habits during hot
weather.

We have a feral cat that was shot with a bb gun back in March.  We
trapped him and had him treated by an animal eye specialist.  He lost
his eye.  Only after the eye surgery, etc. did we learn he was
leukemia positive.  He was one-half of a bonded couple.

We have an outdoor enclosure for our regular indoor cats - for them
to spend some time each day outdoors.  SO - after we learned of the
feral's situation, we built a SEPARATE enclosure in our back yard for
this bonded pair.  His girlfriend is leukemia negative and has now
been through the series of vaccinations.  Keeping them separate was
not an option as she was stressing big time (i.e., losing hair with
no physical explanation, etc.).  And yes, we have had vet care for
both of them.

The feral recovered from the eye situation and had been doing very
well until last weekend when he just all of a sudden stopped eating
very much.  His girlfriend has also cut way, way back on her food
intake.  I live in south Texas and it is very hot here during this
time of the year.

Both cats still look to be in pretty good shape.  If it were ONLY the
leukemic cat that wasn't eating, I would know it was his disease;
however with BOTH of them cutting back, I am wondering if it is an
instinctual response to the weather.  Obviously, however, I am more
concerned with him not eating as he has less reserves than she does.
I've tried EVERYTHING I can think of to entice him to eat (i.e., baby
food, sardines, tuna, different canned foods, different dry foods,
chicken broth, boiled chicken - YOU NAME IT).  I see him nibbling
occasionally but I can tell from the amount of food leftover that he
is not eating much at all.

We have fans on them and we've set up a "mister" system on the side
of the cage - placed so that the water does not hit the cats, but
cools the area somewhat.

Does anyone have any input on a situation where a feral cat just
stops eating when it gets very hot?  And if so, how long do they do
this?  Getting vet care for him is almost impossible because he has
to be trapped, sedated, etc.  I don't want to stress him any more
than necessary and again, so far, he does not look to be in bad
shape.

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Re: US military killing dogs in Iraq

[Belinda Sauro]

  This is precisely why I don't support big groups like this, they are 
in it, in my opinion more for the money and publicity, sure they still 
help SOME animals but with as much money as these big groups take in, 
they could do a WHOLE LOT MORE.


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Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

[Cherie A Gabbert]

I am sick and weeping for those dogs.BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://usmilitarykillsdogs.allsupportgroup.info/www.elephants.comHave a purrfect day
Cherie
 

Re: US military killing dogs in Iraq

[Barbara Lowe]

which is another reason why I support groups like www.militarymascots.org
that are trying to help our soldiers who have adopted cats and dogs in their
units and wish to bring them stateside to keep them safe and give them
homes. I wish North Shore animal league had spent their 30 grand on helping
bring home these soldiers' pets rather than 30 dogs from China in their
grand publicity stunt.
barbara
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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

[Belinda Sauro]

   Jenn,
 I have in the past posted their address to people inquirering, but I 
always tell people to take the cat there and ask to see the place, if 
they aren't allowed to, BIG RED FLAGS!!


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OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

[BONNIE J KALMBACH]

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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

[Gloria B. Lane]

Wow, I went out to the web site, and apparently they've had quite a thing 
going there - I had it on our Humane Society links page, but am taking it 
off.  That's sad.


Gloria

At 09:59 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
When I was doing a search for FELV/FIV friendly rescues to add to my 
website, I actually emailed Angel Wings, because someone on another list 
told me it was a good one. The lady told me that because her cats run the 
entire property and are not segregated, she does NOT accept FELV or FIV 
cats. I visited her website, and looked at her photos, and I thought, at 
the time, that some of the cats shown roaming the property looked a little 
thin, but I figured, I'm 2000 miles away, so who was I to judge her 
rescue. Now, I'm glad I never added Angel Wings to my webpage! I am, 
however, going to add the news story on the place, and try to help people 
recover their cats from the hell hole! Those pictures are horrible! A good 
rule of thumb, if the rescue is not open for you to inspect before you 
take an animal there, don't take it there! I'm also going to post the info 
you shared here to all my other groups, because at least one person on 
another list referred me to that place as a possible one to add to my 
page, and was RAVING about how wonderful it is!  I wonder what the 
situation was...


Jenn
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Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she earns a free can of formula!

PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

[felv]

When I was doing a search for FELV/FIV friendly 
rescues to add to my website, I actually emailed Angel Wings, because someone on 
another list told me it was a good one. The lady told me that because her cats 
run the entire property and are not segregated, she does NOT accept FELV or FIV 
cats. I visited her website, and looked at her photos, and I thought, at the 
time, that some of the cats shown roaming the property looked a little thin, but 
I figured, I'm 2000 miles away, so who was I to judge her rescue. Now, I'm glad 
I never added Angel Wings to my webpage! I am, however, going to add 
the news story on the place, and try to help people recover their cats from the 
hell hole! Those pictures are horrible! A good rule of thumb, if the rescue is 
not open for you to inspect before you take an animal there, don't take it 
there! I'm also going to post the info you shared here to all my other groups, 
because at least one person on another list referred me to that place as a 
possible one to add to my page, and was RAVING about how wonderful it 
is!
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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OT: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

[Belinda Sauro]

    This is an
email I just got from someone writing to another rescue group.  If this
is true it's very bad, haven't some of you taken (FeLV positive)
animals to this rescue or know people that have?  At this point these
are just alliegations, but if these pictures were really taken there it
doesn't look good.  And I DO remember hearing they don't allow people
to visit the facility and even talking about it on the list at one time
... (can anyone discredit this story, has anyone been to this sancuary?
email I got with links
follows below

We have been taking our FIV /Luek cats to a Sanctuary in
Kingston TN. Called AngelWings, When we first started looking for a
Sanctuary. There was also a wonderful article
about Angel Wings in the Cat Fancy Magazine at the time. When we first
started
we were told that we could not come to the Sanctuary because of
liability
issues and because I had received a excellent report from you (this
refers to another rescue group, not me) and the article I
was ok with that. As we have been taking cats down we also heard
nothing but
wonderful things about the Sanctuary, so needless to say we were all
just devastated
by the recent allegations of animal abuse that we have been hearing
about the
Sanctuary. We are so worried about all the cats and in particular the
ones we
took down. We are involved with trying to get our cats back  and will
need
another Sanctuary relatively close by who can help us now and in the
future.
It was a 10 hrs drive
that we would do in one day to get
them to Angel Wings, so if you can recommend any that you know of that
would be
not too far from us we would greatly appreciate it. I’m  searching
the web, but it is so hard to know which are decent or not, and after
this mess
I’m going to be extra paranoid about the place. You might not want to
refer any one to Angel Wings until this can get resolved. The pictures
on the
site are pretty awful, I feel so responsible. We are a no kill group
and this
just breaks our hearts.

News Story About the Sancuary:
http://www.roanecounty.com/articles/2005/05/26/news/news02.txt

WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTOS:
http://angelwingsrescue.org/pics.html
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