date:20060914

A general thought based on my mother's major
breathing problems.she does best when the humidity in the house is love
(about 31%). She still needs humidity with the oxygen. Is it
possible that lowering the humidity in your home would help?

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- Original Message -
From:
Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:40
PM
Subject: RE: Oxygen tank - will this work
- To Joe

Thank you very much
for all the information
I must be a bit dull
as I am still confused as to what I need to do could you help me set this up
step by step?

Do I need
presdcriptions from my vet? If so, what do I need prescriptions
for?

size E O2 cylinder
does it come empty? If so where do I get oxygen
filled?

If I added up all the things listed below, it totals
to more than $175 do I not need to buy everything on the
list?

And I was not sure how to set this part up

Can you explain to me more?
Sorry..
For a cat, your vet will probably prescribe a chamber with about 40% FiO2(fraction of inspired oxygen) -- .5 lpm usually provides that. Mostregulators are calibrated in .5 lpm increments. So you probably don't needan expensive pediatric regulator. In fact, the standard 8 lpm regulatorsare better than pediatric regulators because you can turn up the valve tobring FiO2 to 40% much more quickly- especially important in a crisissituation. For the humidifier, run a short piece of O2 tubing (or any 1/4"plastic tubing) to the intake port on the top of the bottle and attach the
cannula to the side port.

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:20
AMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Oxygen tank - will this
work

Thanks Joe for this detailed post on creating an
at-home oxygen tank for our kitties. I have to admit, I don't understand
it completely, but this is getting saved!NinaCarbonel
wrote:- Original Message - From: Hideyo YamamotoTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:53 PMSubject: Oxygen tank - will this work
Hi, I found this product to make an oxygen tank for my ayumi - is this something that will work to make an oxygen tank for my cat?
http://www.emergencypax.com/oxygen/component/option,com_phpshop/page,shop.b rowse/category_id,1/TreeId,1/Hi Hideyo,I had to make an oxygen/nebulizing chamber for my asthmatic cat. You canmake your own system for a lot less than the systems in the link youprovided. You can make an excellent system for about $175 complete. Allyou need is a size E O2 cylinder, a regulator and a clear plastic Rubbermaidstorage bin. You can also use an "E" collar with a piece of saran wrap overthe front. You'll have to make a few very small holes for CO2 vents. For O2delivery, just run a standard cannula in from the bottom of the collarcentered under his nose. You can also rent O2 tanks from a local supplier.For a cat, your vet will probably prescribe a chamber with about 40% FiO2(fraction of inspired oxygen) -- .5 lpm usually provides that. Mostregulators are calibrated in .5 lpm increments. So you probably don't needan expensive pediatric regulator. In fact, the standard 8 lpm regulatorsare better than pediatric regulators because you can turn up the valve tobring FiO2 to 40% much more quickly- especially important in a crisissituation. For the humidifier, run a short piece of O2 tubing (or any 1/4"plastic tubing) to the intake port on the top of the bottle and attach thecannula to the side port. Use distilled water in the humidifier.Here's everything you'll need except for the Rubbermaid storage bin and Ecollar:http://www.tri-medinc.com/E Cylinders CGA870 standard Cylinder Valve - SKU 20012 $ 89.95Standard cannula , by Salter, 1600, 0-8 LPM, SKU 19101 Ea. $ 1.89Cannula Extension Hose, 25 Foot, SKU 19134 $ 5.49 Ea. -Adult Regulator 0 to 8 LPM SKU 20022 $ 79.95Pediatric Regulator, for CGA870 Valve, 1/32 to 1 LPM SKU 20025 $ 119.95SalterLabs Humidifier Bottle, SKU 18100 Ea.$ 3.29I hope this helps.Joe Carbone

Kruncher

2006-09-14 Thread Sherry DeHaan

I am sorry to say that our sweet Kruncher has passed over the bridge yesterday,I will always remember that crooked head of his.Thanks for all the prayers and good thoughts.  Sherry 
	

	
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Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 41

2006-09-14 Thread Jpopprincess86




help

Re: searching for a cat sitter

2006-09-14 Thread Patricia Lamoretti

I don't know of any petsitters personally in your area but I was looking for a friend in a different area and basically did a google search "cat sitter, brooklyn". Several sites came up. Here's one link I found ... http://www.meowhoo.com/Specialized_Pet_Services/Cat_Sitters/more3.htmlJENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  HI,  Does anyone know any cat sitters that service the brooklyn area, especially the bed-stuy area. We are going away in a week and need a cat sitter. I had a coworker lined up but he just bailed on me. Every cat sitting service I have contacted lately doe not service my area. Two feluks at home, one lovable the other feral, can't bring them to get boarded.
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Re: searching for a cat sitter

2006-09-14 Thread Susan Franklin

Don't vet offices usually have cards or information available?  I just
recently saw a card in our vet's office for a girl who walks dogs, feeds
pets and gives medications.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/14/06 9:55:20 AM 
I don't know of any petsitters personally in your area but I was
looking for a friend in a different area and basically did a google
search cat sitter, brooklyn.  Several sites came up.  Here's one link
I found ...
http://www.meowhoo.com/Specialized_Pet_Services/Cat_Sitters/more3.html


JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  HI,
  Does anyone know any cat sitters that service the brooklyn area,
especially the bed-stuy area.  We are going away in a week and need a
cat sitter.  I had a coworker lined up but he just bailed on me.  Every
cat sitting service I have contacted lately doe not service my area. 
Two feluks at home, one lovable the other feral, can't bring them to get
boarded.  Healthy, not on medication.  Anyone that knows someone please
send me thier info.  THank you
  Jeni
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RE: Crackers threw his URI/Cold

2006-09-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Hi Kayte,
I haven't been posting recently but Crackers
has been in my prayers along with all the other sick kitties. So glad to hear
he's feeling a lot better. Good luck at the vet's! Kerry M.

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2006 9:43 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:
Crackers threw his URI/Cold
Crackers has thrown his cold/URI..his nose and eyesare no
longer running and his sneezing is gone. Maybe this dollface has a good
immune sytem right now. I have an appointment today 4:20 NEW VET 1ST trip. Cross
your paws his checkup comes out good. Like this vet so far.And that's just
from talking over phone. Hope all your babies are feeling ok and u all are too.
Crackers sends love and kisses to all
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Re: Oxygen tank - will this work - To Joe

2006-09-14 Thread Carbonel

- Original Message - 
From: Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: Oxygen tank - will this work - To Joe

Thank you very much for all the information -
I must be a bit dull as I am still confused as to what I need to do - could
you help me set this up step by step?

Sure. Its very easy.

Do I need presdcriptions from my vet?  If so, what do I need prescriptions
for?

Probably for the oxygen.

siz E O2 cylinder - does it come empty?  If so where do I get oxygen
filled?

Do a search for oxygen suppliers in your area.  You might be able to rent
tanks - which includes refilling.  However, in the long run, it might be
cheaper to buy the tank and just pay for refills when you need them instead
of paying monthly rental fees. OTOH, its better to have at least two tanks
on hand so renting might better..  Before you buy a tank, see how much an
oxygen supplier in your area charges for rentals including refills.

If I added up all the things listed below, it totals to more than $175 - do
I not need to buy everything on the list?

E Cylinder CGA870 standard Cylinder Valve - SKU 20012 $ 89.95
Standard cannula , by Salter, 1600, 0-8 LPM,  SKU 19101 Ea. $ 1.89
Cannula Extension Hose, 25 Foot, SKU 19134  $ 5.49 Ea. -
Adult Regulator 0 to 8 LPM SKU 20022 $ 79.95
SalterLabs Humidifier Bottle, SKU 18100 Ea.$ 3.29

Total $180.57

And I was not sure how to set this part up -
Can you explain to me more?  Sorry..

For a cat, your vet will probably prescribe a chamber with about 40% FiO2
(fraction of inspired oxygen) -- .5 lpm usually provides that.  Most
regulators are calibrated in .5 lpm increments. So you probably don't need
an expensive pediatric regulator.  In fact, the standard 8 lpm regulators
are better than pediatric regulators because you can turn up the valve to
bring FiO2 to 40% much more quickly- especially important in a crisis
situation.  For the humidifier, run a short piece of O2 tubing (or any
1/4
plastic tubing) to the intake port on the top of the bottle and attach the
cannula to the side port.

The humidifier is a plastic bottle.  On the lid there is an O2 in port and
O2 out port.  Run the tubing from the regulator to the O2 in port, then run
tubing from the O2 out port to the chamber.  I can send you a picture of my
set up if you like.  Once you see a picture you'll understand how easy the
whole thing is to set up.

Joe

Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 41

2006-09-14 Thread Susan Hoffman

What sort of help do you need? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  help

Re: searching for a cat sitter




The best sitter I ever found I got from my vet-- she was the person who 
cared for the vet's animals when he traveled. Ask your vet who he or she uses. 
Usually a good sign of competence.
Michelle

Re: Kruncher




I'm so sorry.
Michelle

Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer - my vet's office called





Nina, I know you like this vet, but that really is awful and I think you 
should find someone else to bring Spencer to. Can you find an oncologist? 
They are going to be smarter about chemo options and diagnostics anyway.
Michelle

In a message dated 9/13/2006 10:05:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks 
  Tonya. It was nice to re-read my post about Spencer coming 
  home. I'd almost forgotten the terrible time we went through with 
  him going missing. No matter what happens, no matter what I decide, 
  I'll always be grateful that he came back into my life and we've been 
  given this wonderful extra time together.My vet's assistant called 
  a little while ago and told me that my questions wouldn't be answered over 
  the phone. The vet is insisting that I come in to discuss what tests 
  might be run and what the ramifications would be. So that means I 
  have to haul Spencer in there, pay another consultation fee, just to have 
  the info I need to make a decision. I would also have to make the 
  decision right then and there, or have to bring Spencer back again. 
  My mind is in such a fog. I'm not sure I'm capable of making a 
  decision about what to make for dinner, let alone how Spencer will spend 
  the rest of the time he has left. Pray for clarity 
  please!Nina

Re: Cannot Diagnose Breathing Issue with Smokey




Dee,
 can you take Smokey to an internist, at a bigger clinic or 
hospital or referral center? They are usually better at diagnosis that local 
general practitioner vets. Cloudiness can mean asthma, I think. I am 
not sure if it can be an indication of lymphoma or not, though I would not think 
so. A lot of cats get asthma and there are treatments for it.
Michelle

RE: Cannot Diagnose Breathing Issue with Smokey

I am going through something similar with my Ayumi -- could you explain
more about what you mean by breathing issue --- is he breathing
laborly or fast or mouth open.. or etc???

If he is coughing, could he have asthma.. could he have heartworm or
flea related problem.. those are very hard to diagnosis.. 

But, I think the next step will be ultrasound.. my vet says, ultrasound
will show if it's heartworm related sometimes..

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Cannot Diagnose Breathing Issue with Smokey

Check out Hideyo's posts about the at home oxygen tank.  Maybe something

like that would help his breathing.  Could it be something like asthma, 
or some sort of allergy?  Has he gotten better on since you started the 
Dox?  Hemobart is hard to detect.  I'm not sure what cloudiness around 
his lungs indicates, if it's not fluid.  I seem to remember reading 
something about that recently, maybe someone else will chime in here 
with some suggestions.  I hate putting our babies through all these 
tests, all the expense, just to be told, we still don't know.  It's so 
frustrating.  Sending good thoughts and prayers your way,
Nina

Dee  Evan wrote:

 Hi everyone.  Sorry I haven't been checking any of our messages 
 lately. We are perplexed by Smokey's breathing issues.  We have had 
 him to the vet 3-4 times in the past month trying to figure out what 
 is going on.  We did another chest x-ray.  There is no fluid around 
 his lungs but his lungs still look like fluffy cotton, maybe even a 
 little worse at his last visit on 09/05/06.  Our vet sent blood work 
 out to a lab to get several tests ran.  The results came back today.  
 His RBC is at 5.92 so he has slight anemia.  His hematocrit is at 
 37%.  But everything else was negative.  No infection, no bacteria, no

 fungal infection, everything came out clean.  It was even negative for

 the hemobart parasite.  I plan on finishing the Doxy regiment until at

 least the 21st though.  I am just worried sick over his breathing.  
 Periodically he also has coughing fits.  I just don't know what to 
 think.  The vet said the next step would be an ultrasound, especially 
 of his heart.  I started him on Lysine last week.  I think he has 
 gotten wise to it as he has stopped eating as much of his canned food 
 that I put it in.  At least I am hoping that is the case  it is not 
 because he doesn't want to eat now.  He still LOVES his chicken I feed

 him in the morning  evening.  We have a running tally of about $1,200

 to $1,300 so far and I am running out of resourse to fund this.  Any 
 input, suggestions, or encouragement would be greatly appreciated at 
 this point.  Thanks to everyone...you are a wonderful group of 
 people.  All of your furbabies are in good hands.
 ~Dee

Re: Spencer and irony





Nina,
 Leukemia the cancer would not interfere with lung 
function. If the issue was in the bone marrow or implicated the blood 
somehow, I would agree (Simon had a bone marrow biopsy). If it's not, I 
don't.

 Lucy got an ultrasound from a local vet without shaving, but I 
have been told the picture is much clearer with shaving. 

 Bone marrow biopsies and endoscopes are really not big deals. 
Simon was under anesthesia for his bone marrow biopsy for a short time, and it 
just looked like a tiny scab afterwards and did not bother him. I myself have 
had two endoscapies. They are not big deals, except that you are knocked out for 
them, but they tend to use light anesthesia. That said, I have been 
avoiding taking Lucy for one.

 But, maybe I have missed something, but aren't his problems in 
his chest? Is he anemic? If not, why the bone marrow biopsy? And is he having 
digestive tract issues? If not, why the endoscopy?

Michelle

In a message dated 9/13/2006 1:43:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks 
  Hideyo,Perhaps Kerry's vet was not as insistent on a definitive diagnosis 
  as my vets are. Maybe the blood test showed a drastically elevated wbc 
  and this was enough of an indication for her. Although, that seems hard 
  to imagine since there are many reasons for an elevated wbc. Thank you 
  for sending Dr. Richard's reply. The fact that blood cancer, (true 
  leukemia), would indicate different chemo treatments than lymphoma, does help 
  me understand more why my vets would be reluctant to treat with out knowing 
  for sure what we are dealing with.The thought of bone marrow aspirates 
  and endoscopic exams sends chills down my spine. And that would just be 
  the beginning of what Spencer would have to endure. I can't even stand 
  the thought of them having to shave his belly for an ultrasound! I 
  remember someone, (maybe Michelle?), saying that they didn't have to shave 
  them. I have a feeling I am going to have an uphill battle with my 
  suggestions being taken seriously, (in that I don't want to put him through 
  any more than is absolutely necessary), as it is. I'm going to have to 
  pick my battles. I better not start with something as routine as shaving 
  his belly! Damn, I hate this.How's Ayumi this morning? 
  What great suggestions you've been getting for that oxygen tank! It 
  looks like you're going to be able to make her a lot more comfortable. 
  Wouldn't it be nice to have a website that we could just order an at-home 
  oxygen tank on? There's a niche that needs to be filled here. I 
  hope that Spirit is listening.Nina

OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister









Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful calico
girl, Dharma  Dharma is Naomis sister who passed away a couple of
months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP. She was only 4 months
old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of her when Naomi
was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter who was about
1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.



I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma has
been less active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever on
and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye pupil size were different.. thats
very similar to what happened to my Naomi and I took her to the vet.. her TP
was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again thats what happened to
Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of 103.5 



Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what
Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats
very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to
start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once
we get her total body function blood work.



After the vets visit today, I got sick to my stomach
thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need to and I
cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again sometime..but
right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting against (which Naomi
may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at all.. just subtleness
like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover whatever she has and she
will live with us happily ever after for a long time



Thank you!

RE: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

2006-09-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Sending prayers for your sweet Dharma's speedy recovery, Hideyo.

hugs,
Kerryx

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, September 14, 2006
12:09 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT:I am
asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to
pray for my beautiful calico girl, Dharma Dharma is Naomis sister who passed
away a couple of months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP.
She was only 4 months old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and
taking care of her when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my
beloved boy, Peter who was about 1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi
crossed the bridge.

I have during the past few weeks
noticed that Dharma has been less active (but she still acts and eats just
fine).. and has some fever on and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye
pupil size were different.. thats very similar to what happened to my Naomi and
I took her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again
thats what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of 103.5

Looking at this, there is a good
chance that Dharma has what Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral
disease which will kill cats very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious
symptoms and I am going t to start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for
sending it to me again) once we get her total body function blood
work.

After the vets visit today, I got
sick to my stomach thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need
to and I cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again
sometime..but right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting
against (which Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at
all.. just subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover
whatever she has and she will live with us happily ever after for a long
time

Thank
you!

Re: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

2006-09-14 Thread Kelley Saveika

Prayers from me too
On 9/14/06, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Sending prayers for your sweet Dharma's speedy recovery, Hideyo. 
hugs, Kerryx

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:09 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful calico girl, Dharma – Dharma is Naomi's sister who passed away a couple of months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP. She was only 4 months old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of her when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter who was about 
1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.

I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma has been less active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever on and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye pupil size were different.. that's very similar to what happened to my Naomi and I took her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again that's what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of 
103.5 –

Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once we get her total body function blood work.


After the vet's visit today, I got sick to my stomach thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need to… and I cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again sometime..but right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting against (which Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at all.. just subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover whatever she has and she will live with us happily ever after for a long time…


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Re: Spencer - my vet's office called

2006-09-14 Thread Leslie

Nina,

It's so hard whenavet that you trust and recommend and that you gush over does something jarring. When mine does that, I want to hide it, excuse it, forgive it, because I so need them to be better than average for my sanity. Right now I've been leaving messages since MONDAY for the vet that's been seeing Satch with his cold.He's not my normal vet (she was out of town when I took Satch in), but he did a great job of treating Satch and I liked him very much. Now, however, Satch's meds are gone, he's fine but still coughing and all I need to know is if I need a refill or not. His last dose was Tuesday.


Anyway, it's an interesting feeling of betrayal, that was probably unfair to hold them to this uber-level of humanity in the first place, but it felt so nice. :) Your vet human also and youhad mentioned thatit was uncomfortable for her to diagnose over the phone, she is approaching the situation conservatively, wanting to have confidence in that her navigational cues aren't leading you further into the bog than out of it. I'm not saying this needs to be okay with you, but I'm sure that her intention is not to bilk you. I support you (we all do) if you want to turn to another, but also if you don't. It's scary in a time of need to change even one thing more than you need to. Besides, if you were to get a new opinion, they'd need to examine Spence as an initial also.


It's good that you were reminded of a recent bad time and how things are now better and more in perspective. Isn't it funny how just a tiny bit of distance affords one the space to forget all of the weighing details? Just remember that this moment here will soon be that. One step at a time, you'll get to the answers. 


Leslie

From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer - my vet's office
 calledThanks Tonya.It was nice to re-read my post about Spencer cominghome.I'd almost forgotten the terrible time we went through with himgoing missing.No matter what happens, no matter what I decide, I'll
always be grateful that he came back into my life and we've been giventhis wonderful extra time together.My vet's assistant called a little while ago and told me that myquestions wouldn't be answered over the phone.The vet is insisting
that I come in to discuss what tests might be run and what theramifications would be.So that means I have to haul Spencer in there,pay another consultation fee, just to have the info I need to make adecision.I would also have to make the decision right then and there,
or have to bring Spencer back again.My mind is in such a fog.I'm notsure I'm capable of making a decision about what to make for dinner, letalone how Spencer will spend the rest of the time he has left.Pray for
clarity please!Nina

Re: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

2006-09-14 Thread Leslie Lawther

I'm so very sorry. We do rescue and had a litter (one that I bottle fed from 2 weeks of age... so I was very attached to them) one little girl Gabby died of dry FIP and her brother Albert died of wet. I know all too well what you are going through... My husband and I went to every vet imaginable trying to cure them... but as you know, all you can do is make them comfortable. I pray someday there is a cure. Hopefully you know of the Orion Foundation and of Dr. Addie's research... Orion is a wonderful group to donate to. We have a memorial for Gabby and Albert there... This might be a good way for you to memorialize the two you've lost and pray for Dharma that she does not have it. If you want more information or a link to their website, let me know.

*hugs*
Leslie =^..^=

On 9/14/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful calico girl, Dharma – Dharma is Naomi's sister who passed away a couple of months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP. She was only 4 months old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of her when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter who was about
1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.

I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma has been less active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever on and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye pupil size were different.. that's very similar to what happened to my Naomi and I took her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again that's what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of
103.5 –

Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once we get her total body function blood work.

After the vet's visit today, I got sick to my stomach thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need to… and I cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again sometime..but right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting against (which Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at all.. just subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover whatever she has and she will live with us happily ever after for a long time…

Thank you!-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

RE: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister









Thank you, Leslie,, I am so sorry of your
loses, too.. now I start to think that its true that genetic inheritance may
have something to do with FIP.. I have another brother of Dharma and Naomi,
Simba who are doing really well.



I know of Dr. Addie and Winns foundation
as well  thank you.. I did hear that she no longer works at University of Glasgow..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Leslie Lawther
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006
11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT:I am asking for
another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister







I'm so very
sorry. We do rescue and had a litter (one that I bottle fed from 2 weeks
of age... so I was very attached to them) one little girl Gabby died of dry FIP
and her brother Albert died of wet. I know all too well what you are
going through... My husband and I went to every vet imaginable trying to
cure them... but as you know, all you can do is make them
comfortable. I pray someday there is a cure. Hopefully you know of
the Orion Foundation and of Dr. Addie's research... Orion is a wonderful group
to donate to. We have a memorial for Gabby and Albert there... This might
be a good way for you to memorialize the two you've lost and pray for Dharma
that she does not have it. If you want more information or a link to
their website, let me know. 



*hugs*

Leslie =^..^=











On 9/14/06, Hideyo
Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 







Hi,
everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful calico girl, Dharma 
Dharma is Naomi's sister who passed away a couple of months ago a couple of
months ago from dry form of FIP. She was only 4 months old.. Dharma acted
like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of her when Naomi was not feeling
well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter who was about 1.5 year old to
dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.



I
have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma has been less active (but
she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever on and off with URIs..
and also noticed that her eye pupil size were different.. that's very similar
to what happened to my Naomi and I took her to the vet.. her TP was very high
as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again that's what happened to Naomi and Peter..
and she had a fever of 103.5 



Looking
at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what Peter and Naomi had.. FIP
which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats very quickly.. Dharma is not
showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to start her on interferon
tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once we get her total body
function blood work. 



After
the vet's visit today, I got sick to my stomach thinking how I am going to deal
with it..but I know I need to and I cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure
that I will cry again sometime..but right now..I need to fight with Dharma
whatever she is fighting against (which Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does
not act very sick at all.. just subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that
Dharma will recover whatever she has and she will live with us happily ever
after for a long time 



Thank
you!












-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch,
or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister





and me-
michelle

In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:19:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Prayers 
  from me too

Re: Kruncher

Sherry,

I just read your last two posts about Kruncher.  I am
so sorry you lost your sweet guy.  Prayers going out
for comfort for you.

:)
Wendy

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Re: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

2006-09-14 Thread Leslie Lawther

I did not know that... Thankfully I have not had an incident of FIP since 2002. 

And in our case it was two siblings... the other four are healthy as horses!So yes, I would tend to agree with you that there is a genetic component to it. Not all will get it... one of Gabby and Albert's brotherRudy is 24 lbs!!! Teddy is pushing 19 lbs... So there is a very good chance that Dharma and Simba will continue to do wonderful... Just curious, what color(s) were your two? At the time I lost Gabby and Albert a lot of the people I spoke to... their cats were grey. Oddly, Gabby was a grey tabby and Albert was grey and white however one of their other siblings is grey and white (a twin to Albert) is a healthy 5 year old and doing great! 


Leslie =^..^=

On 9/14/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Thank you, Leslie,, I am so sorry of your loses, too.. now I start to think that it's true that genetic inheritance may have something to do with FIP.. I have another brother of Dharma and Naomi, Simba who are doing really well.


I know of Dr. Addie and Winns foundation as well – thank you.. I did hear that she no longer works at University of Glasgow..






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Leslie LawtherSent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:25 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister



I'm so very sorry. We do rescue and had a litter (one that I bottle fed from 2 weeks of age... so I was very attached to them) one little girl Gabby died of dry FIP and her brother Albert died of wet. I know all too well what you are going through... My husband and I went to every vet imaginable trying to cure them... but as you know, all you can do is make them comfortable. I pray someday there is a cure. Hopefully you know of the Orion Foundation and of Dr. Addie's research... Orion is a wonderful group to donate to. We have a memorial for Gabby and Albert there... This might be a good way for you to memorialize the two you've lost and pray for Dharma that she does not have it. If you want more information or a link to their website, let me know. 

*hugs*
Leslie =^..^=



On 9/14/06, Hideyo Yamamoto 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful calico girl, Dharma – Dharma is Naomi's sister who passed away a couple of months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP. She was only 4 months old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of her when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter who was about 
1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.

I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma has been less active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever on and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye pupil size were different.. that's very similar to what happened to my Naomi and I took her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again that's what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of 
103.5 –

Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once we get her total body function blood work. 


After the vet's visit today, I got sick to my stomach thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need to… and I cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again sometime..but right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting against (which Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at all.. just subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover whatever she has and she will live with us happily ever after for a long time… 


Thank you!
-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson 
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---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)





Hello Everyone,
That was my first reaction too. I even said to the vet's assistant
that I needed my answers BEFORE I brought Spencer in again. It was her
suggestion to bring him anyway. Let me clarify something ... The
doctor that is insisting on the consultation in person is not my
regular internist. She got on the case because when Spencer was
failing, my regular vet was not on duty and I wanted him seen asap.
I've been tip toeing around trying not to offend this woman, she has
been pretty good for the most part and I figured three heads were
better than two.

I've been thinking long and hard about all this, as you can imagine. I
have been talking to Spencer, doing my best to make a decision based on
everyone's best interests. The pressure to decide quickly (given that
remission is more likely in the beginning stages of cancer), has made
it all the more difficult to think clearly. I'm disappointed that the
vet won't discuss things over the phone and I don't have enough history
with her to assume she's right in insisting that I come in there.
Perhaps she's just tired of trying to discuss things with me over the
phone and through a third party. (Every answer she gives me prompts
two or three more questions).

Looking at Spencer, seeing the burst of quality life the steroid shots
have given him, suspecting that putting him through the tests, office
visits and treatments, will at best buy him more time, but not
necessarily QUALITY time... I'm having a hard time making my decision
final by writing to all of you about it, but I am very close to
deciding to stop all hope of a medical intervention miracle and just
enjoy the time we have together as things stand. That doesn't mean
that I'll ever give up hope that Spencer will somehow miraculously
rally, that by some chance he doesn't have cancer at all, it's all a
big mistake and he'll just continue to improve and get well. I have,
however, been around this disease long enough to recognize the sounding
of the closing bell when I hear it. I can't tell you the number of
times my heart has sank reading posts on this list from kitty guardians
with the same symptoms that Spencer has presented. 

I was discussing with my sister yesterday about how reluctant I am to
put Spencer through any more stress. About how even if we did get a
definitive diagnosis of a specific cancer, I'm not at all sure I'd want
to treat him for it. Something my sister said has been echoing through
my mind... She said, it seemed to her that putting Spencer through a
battery of tests with the HOPE, (not the suspicion), of it being
something curable, was not reason enough to disturb what may very well
be his last days. I've always been grateful when one of my loved ones
has had good final days with a quick and peaceful passing. Buying more
time with Spencer, if that's even possible, does not seem worth the
cost.

I just got a call from Hideyo. Hideyo reminded me that animals live in
the NOW. Taking a moment away from the rambling I've been doing to you
kind folks has helped. I went and gave Spencer some food. Petting
him as he ate, I felt some of this awful weight lifting from both our
shoulders. I'm not saying I won't change my mind again, but I'm
feeling a sense of calm and peace that has been rare since Spence first
started showing symptoms. It leads me to believe I'm on the right
track here. He came back from what seemed like the dead to be with
me. That's just what I'm going to allow him to do; BE with me in the
now.

Thanks for being my sounding board and indulging me while I think out
loud. As always, I'm so very grateful to the support of this group,
Nina



  
Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
  
Nina, either I'm reading this wrong, or this is unacceptable.  You've been
so protective of Spencer's stress level vis a vis the vet, and now you have
to bring him in just to *talk* to the vet??  Did the assistant say the vet
was going to do any tests or anything, or just talk to you about options,
because if he's not, you should march in there WITHOUT Spencer and have your
talk.  That way you spare Spence the trauma of the visit, you can be a
little more objective without him in front of you, and most important, you
won't be forced to make any hard decisions and have them acted on
immediately, you can go home to Spence and consult him in your own time and
have some good time together.  Don't let your vet force your hand, this is a
hard time and you don't want to be rushed or distracted.  Just my $.02.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer - my vet's office
called

  

  
My vet's assistant called a little while ago and told me that my
  
  

questions wouldn't be answered over the phone.




  
  

Evan  Dee wrote:
Excellent
suggestion Diane. I think we all to often

Re: Crackers threw his URI/Cold

Oh Kayte, what a relief to hear Crackers is no longer showing symptoms 
of his URI.  Hooray!  Paws crossed that you both fall in love with the 
new vet!

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Crackers has thrown his cold/URI..his nose  and eyes are no longer 
running  and his sneezing is gone. Maybe this dollface has a good 
immune sytem right now. I have an appointment today 4:20 NEW VET 1ST 
trip. Cross your paws his checkup comes out good. Like this vet so 
far. And that's just from talking over phone. Hope all your babies are 
feeling ok and u all are too. Crackers sends love and kisses to all

Kayte

morbid question about finding autopsy studies




Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her find a 
place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they have 
frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat died in 
surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) and do not know 
where to get this kind of study. Apparently they brought the cat to Tufts, a 
university vet hospital, and they did a necropsy but no tox analysis. 

any thoughts?

thanks,
michelle

Re: Spencer and irony





Hey Michelle,
Yes Spencer is anemic. Yes, he had fluid build up in his chest. Yes,
they suspect two masses, one of them in or near his GI tract. Yes,
they are concerned about problems with his heart. All my what ifs and
guesses about what tests might be run are just that: guesses. The vet
won't tell me what she proposes until I go in there. I intend to
cancel my appointment with her and let her know how disappointed I am
that she thinks it best to not discuss any of this over the phone. Her
unwillingness to do so has sent my imagination spiraling to worst case
scenarios and put me through torture trying to make up my mind with
very limited information. Maybe all that frustration was necessary to
bring me to the conclusions that I'm finally arriving at, (see my last
post). I've always relied on medical intervention, but depended more
on my instincts and intuition. Right now I'm feeling peaceful with the
decision to allow Spencer to comfortably live the time he has left with
as little intervention as possible, (however much time that turns out
to be).
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Nina,
   Leukemia the cancer would not interfere with lung function.
If the issue was in the bone marrow or implicated the blood somehow, I
would agree (Simon had a bone marrow biopsy). If it's not, I don't.
  
   Lucy got an ultrasound from a local vet without shaving, but
I have been told the picture is much clearer with shaving. 
  
   Bone marrow biopsies and endoscopes are really not big deals.
Simon was under anesthesia for his bone marrow biopsy for a short time,
and it just looked like a tiny scab afterwards and did not bother him.
I myself have had two endoscapies. They are not big deals, except that
you are knocked out for them, but they tend to use light anesthesia.
That said, I have been avoiding taking Lucy for one.
  
   But, maybe I have missed something, but aren't his problems
in his chest? Is he anemic? If not, why the bone marrow biopsy? And is
he having digestive tract issues? If not, why the endoscopy?
  
  Michelle

Re: morbid question about finding autopsy studies

2006-09-14 Thread tamara stickler

Try your local Veternary college. Often they will do that sort of thing and incorporated it into a teaching exercise.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her find a place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they have frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat died in surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) and do not know where to get this kind of study. Apparently they brought the cat to Tufts, a university vet hospital, and they did a necropsy but no tox analysis. any thoughts?thanks,  michelle 
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Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 41 - help





Oh my! Honey, you have to give us more to go on then that you need
help. That one simple word sums up how we all feel when we find out
someone we love has been diagnosed with felv. We understand all to
well what must have prompted you to cry for help. Now take a deep
breath and tell us what's going on.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  help
  


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  help

Re: Spencer and irony





Nina, I would almost bet my life that it is lymphoma, not leukemia. It is 
so much more common, and so much more likely to be in multiple places like 
that. chemo is not very successful with leukemia, while it is with 
lymphoma. If you had someone to work with you, I would push for trying some 
lymphoma chemo protocol and seeing if it helps. If they could see something on 
ultrasound, try Elspar, and re-ultrasound to see if the elspar shrunk it, that 
would be another way to see if it is lymphoma. but i don't think your vet 
is going to agree.

cats with lymphoma can sometimes go a few months comfortably on high doses 
of steroids. You can never know what chemo would do. It is possible it 
would give him more time, but it is also possible that in the end it would not 
give more time than the dex. If you have decided to just stay with the dex, I 
understand. I want to shoot your vet, though. Because I do not think 
there is much point to more testing -- not only because I think it is lymphoma 
but because other forms of cancer would not be very treatable anyway so might as 
well just see if the lymphoma protocol helps-- and think she is just trying to 
cover her own ass and play things by the book. But I am not a vet, so I 
canjust rail against the establishment but can not be of any more help, 
unfortunately. It istimes like this I wish Ihad gone to vet 
school. I could never handle it, though.

Know that if he gets bad,you can up the dose of dex. 

I hope he has lots of good days left.

Michelle 

In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:55:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey 
  Michelle,Yes Spencer is anemic. Yes, he had fluid build up in his 
  chest. Yes, they suspect two masses, one of them in or near his GI 
  tract. Yes, they are concerned about problems with his heart. All 
  my what ifs and guesses about what tests might be run are just that: 
  guesses. The vet won't tell me what she proposes until I go in 
  there. I intend to cancel my appointment with her and let her know how 
  disappointed I am that she thinks it best to not discuss any of this over the 
  phone. Her unwillingness to do so has sent my imagination spiraling to 
  worst case scenarios and put me through torture trying to make up my mind with 
  very limited information. Maybe all that frustration was necessary to 
  bring me to the conclusions that I'm finally arriving at, (see my last 
  post). I've always relied on medical intervention, but depended more on 
  my instincts and intuition. Right now I'm feeling peaceful with the 
  decision to allow Spencer to comfortably live the time he has left with as 
  little intervention as possible, (however much time that turns out to 
  be).N

Re: morbid question about finding autopsy studies





That is exactly who they tried (Tufts). They did a necropsy butfailed 
to do the tox analysis and I guess won't do it.

Michelle


In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:56:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Try your 
  local Veternary college. Often they will do that sort of thing and 
  incorporated it into a teaching exercise.

Re: morbid question about finding autopsy studies

2006-09-14 Thread Barb Moermond

state crime lab? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her find a place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they have frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat died in surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) and do not know where to get this kind of study. Apparently they brought the cat to Tufts, a university vet hospital, and they did a necropsy but no tox analysis. any thoughts?thanks,  michelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
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Re: morbid question about finding autopsy studies

2006-09-14 Thread Barb Moermond

or a private tox lab? a tox lab on campus (provided the campus has a toxicology program)? Did they ask Tufts where they could get a tox analysis done?Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  state crime lab? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her find a place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they have frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat died in surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) and do not know where to get this kind of study. Apparently they brought
 the cat to Tufts, a university vet hospital, and they did a necropsy but no tox analysis. any thoughts?thanks,  michelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous  All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous 
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Re: morbid question about finding autopsy studies

2006-09-14 Thread Barb Moermond

or the state dept of agriculture? whatever body oversees large animal care standards would probably have to have access to that kind of facilityBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  state crime lab? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her find a place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they have frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat died in surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) and do not know where to get this kind of study. Apparently they brought the cat to
 Tufts, a university vet hospital, and they did a necropsy but no tox analysis. any thoughts?thanks,  michelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous  All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous 
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Tad,

I'm not sure if I told you how sorry I am that you
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can barely keep up with my work here, so I haven't
been on email much.  Hope you and Marie are doing
well.

:)
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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

2006-09-14 Thread Belinda


   Nina,
  I have actually made an appointment with my vet before to get all my 
questions answered.  I wrote them all down and made a regular 
appointment to just talk with her, and not have to stress my cat by 
bringing them in. I fully intended to pay for my appointment which 
lasted about 25 to 30 minutes but she didn't charge me.  Would your vet 
go for that even if she just charged an office call atleast you could 
get ALL of your questions answered, just be sure to write them down so 
you don't forget anything.  And you can ask any new ones that pop up too.


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RE: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

2006-09-14 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane

This sounds like a good middle ground to take, Nina, and by actually
talking to her, even without Spencer present, maybe you would gain some
clarity into his actual condition.  Knowledge is power.  (As is a big
gun, but probably not in a vet's office. ;-)) 

Diane R.

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

Nina,
   I have actually made an appointment with my vet before to get all my 
questions answered.  I wrote them all down and made a regular 
appointment to just talk with her, and not have to stress my cat by 
bringing them in. I fully intended to pay for my appointment which 
lasted about 25 to 30 minutes but she didn't charge me.  Would your vet 
go for that even if she just charged an office call atleast you could 
get ALL of your questions answered, just be sure to write them down so 
you don't forget anything.  And you can ask any new ones that pop up
too.

-- 

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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)





I just called to cancel my appointment today and send the message about
my disappointment that the vet was unwilling to discuss things over the
phone. They put me on hold and the vet came on with apologies for the
misunderstanding. She said she had some blunt advice for me and
thought it better to discuss it in person. Of course her "blunt"
advice
was no worse than the conclusions I'd already come to on my own. They
do, as does Michelle, suspect strongly that he has lymphoma. They are
still hesitant to treat for it without further confirmation, but I got
the distinct impression that if I insisted, they would. Both doctors
feel that aggressive cancer treatment would, at best, buy him limited
time, and disrupt the quality of life he is experiencing now. She said
that she has, in cases like this, tapered the steroid dose, (after
initial
daily dosing), to eod in an attempt to avoid prolonged use reactions.
Unfortunately, the result in
these cases is usually the same, the cat crashes and there's no way to
tell if it's a result of prolonged steroid use, the tapering of the
steroid, or the lymphoma itself. Nasty business this.

So, even with discussing things over with the vet, my decision made
this morning stands for now. I wish there were some way to make
Spencer "all better", since that doesn't appear to be possible, (at
least not without Divine Intervention, and I don't need a vet for
that), I will make the time he has the best quality that I can.
Nina

Nina wrote:

  
  
Hello Everyone,
That was my first reaction too. I even said to the vet's assistant
that I needed my answers BEFORE I brought Spencer in again. It was her
suggestion to bring him anyway. Let me clarify something ... The
doctor that is insisting on the consultation in person is not my
regular internist. She got on the case because when Spencer was
failing, my regular vet was not on duty and I wanted him seen asap.
I've been tip toeing around trying not to offend this woman, she has
been pretty good for the most part and I figured three heads were
better than two.
  
I've been thinking long and hard about all this, as you can imagine. I
have been talking to Spencer, doing my best to make a decision based on
everyone's best interests. The pressure to decide quickly (given that
remission is more likely in the beginning stages of cancer), has made
it all the more difficult to think clearly. I'm disappointed that the
vet won't discuss things over the phone and I don't have enough history
with her to assume she's right in insisting that I come in there.
Perhaps she's just tired of trying to discuss things with me over the
phone and through a third party. (Every answer she gives me prompts
two or three more questions).
  
Looking at Spencer, seeing the burst of quality life the steroid shots
have given him, suspecting that putting him through the tests, office
visits and treatments, will at best buy him more time, but not
necessarily QUALITY time... I'm having a hard time making my decision
final by writing to all of you about it, but I am very close to
deciding to stop all hope of a medical intervention miracle and just
enjoy the time we have together as things stand. That doesn't mean
that I'll ever give up hope that Spencer will somehow miraculously
rally, that by some chance he doesn't have cancer at all, it's all a
big mistake and he'll just continue to improve and get well. I have,
however, been around this disease long enough to recognize the sounding
of the closing bell when I hear it. I can't tell you the number of
times my heart has sank reading posts on this list from kitty guardians
with the same symptoms that Spencer has presented. 
  
I was discussing with my sister yesterday about how reluctant I am to
put Spencer through any more stress. About how even if we did get a
definitive diagnosis of a specific cancer, I'm not at all sure I'd want
to treat him for it. Something my sister said has been echoing through
my mind... She said, it seemed to her that putting Spencer through a
battery of tests with the HOPE, (not the suspicion), of it being
something curable, was not reason enough to disturb what may very well
be his last days. I've always been grateful when one of my loved ones
has had good final days with a quick and peaceful passing. Buying more
time with Spencer, if that's even possible, does not seem worth the
cost.
  
I just got a call from Hideyo. Hideyo reminded me that animals live in
the NOW. Taking a moment away from the rambling I've been doing to you
kind folks has helped. I went and gave Spencer some food. Petting
him as he ate, I felt some of this awful weight lifting from both our
shoulders. I'm not saying I won't change my mind again, but I'm
feeling a sense of calm and peace that has been rare since Spence first
started showing symptoms. It leads me to believe I'm on the right
track here. He came back from what seemed like the dead to be with
me. That's just what I'm going to allow him to do; BE with me in the

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)


Hi Belinda,
Thanks for the advice.  That was what I had intended to do if I couldn't 
get answers over the phone.  I did just post that my vet talked to me.  
I've actually set up appointment times for consultations over the phone 
to insure that the vet would have time scheduled for me.  I've offered 
to pay for the visit even though I wouldn't actually be going in.  
They've done this for me and not charged me.  I'm feeling better about 
my specialty clinic right now, relieved that they are still willing to 
work with me and not thinking of me as one giant pain in the ass that 
doesn't take their seasoned advice!

Nina

Belinda wrote:


   Nina,
  I have actually made an appointment with my vet before to get all my 
questions answered.  I wrote them all down and made a regular 
appointment to just talk with her, and not have to stress my cat by 
bringing them in. I fully intended to pay for my appointment which 
lasted about 25 to 30 minutes but she didn't charge me.  Would your 
vet go for that even if she just charged an office call atleast you 
could get ALL of your questions answered, just be sure to write them 
down so you don't forget anything.  And you can ask any new ones that 
pop up too.

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)





well, I certainly understand your decision. Oncologists are usually 
pretty optimistic, at least in terms of months, with treating lymphoma with 
chemo, unless there is something particular about the case and how advanced it 
is. Are they pessimistic because he is positive, or because they think he 
is very advanced? Being positive does not affect response to chemo, but it does 
seem to shorten the length of remission in many cases.

I wish that I had done chemo with my two that I did not,but sometimes 
I wonder if I did too much with Simon, unless I focus on the few weeks of really 
good time that he had at the end. There is no real answer. Whatever you do 
will probably seem wrong afterwards, as that is our nature. If you are 
comfortable with the decision now, that is really all you can go by.

I would definitely not taper the dexamethasone unless you are going to 
start giving a shot of depo periodically as well. If he is not getting 
chemo, then it is unlikely he will have more than a few months at most, which is 
when side effects from steroids normally set in if they are going to. So I don't 
think you should be worrying about that right now.

cancer sucks.

Michelle

In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:21:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just 
  called to cancel my appointment today and send the message about my 
  disappointment that the vet was unwilling to discuss things over the 
  phone. They put me on hold and the vet came on with apologies for the 
  misunderstanding. She said she had some blunt advice for me and thought 
  it better to discuss it in person. Of course her "blunt" advice was no 
  worse than the conclusions I'd already come to on my own. They do, as 
  does Michelle, suspect strongly that he has lymphoma. They are still 
  hesitant to treat for it without further confirmation, but I got the distinct 
  impression that if I insisted, they would. Both doctors feel that 
  aggressive cancer treatment would, at best, buy him limited time, and disrupt 
  the quality of life he is experiencing now. She said that she has, in 
  cases like this, tapered the steroid dose, (after initial daily dosing), to 
  eod in an attempt to avoid prolonged use reactions. Unfortunately, the 
  result in these cases is usually the same, the cat crashes and there's no way 
  to tell if it's a result of prolonged steroid use, the tapering of the 
  steroid, or the lymphoma itself. Nasty business this.So, even 
  with discussing things over with the vet, my decision made this morning stands 
  for now. I wish there were some way to make Spencer "all better", since 
  that doesn't appear to be possible, (at least not without Divine Intervention, 
  and I don't need a vet for that), I will make the time he has the best quality 
  that I can.Nina

RE: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

2006-09-14 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message





  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:28 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Spencer 
  and making decisions (was my vet's office called)
  
  well, I certainly understand your decision. Oncologists are usually 
  pretty optimistic, at least in terms of months, with treating lymphoma with 
  chemo, unless there is something particular about the case and how advanced it 
  is. Are they pessimistic because he is positive, or because they think 
  he is very advanced? Being positive does not affect response to chemo, but it 
  does seem to shorten the length of remission in many cases.
  
  I wish that I had done chemo with my two that I did not,but 
  sometimes I wonder if I did too much with Simon, unless I focus on the few 
  weeks of really good time that he had at the end. There is no real 
  answer. Whatever you do will probably seem wrong afterwards, as that is our 
  nature. If you are comfortable with the decision now, that is really all 
  you can go by.
  
  I would definitely not taper the dexamethasone unless you are going to 
  start giving a shot of depo periodically as well. If he is not getting 
  chemo, then it is unlikely he will have more than a few months at most, which 
  is when side effects from steroids normally set in if they are going to. So I 
  don't think you should be worrying about that right now.
  
  cancer sucks.
  
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:21:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I just 
called to cancel my appointment today and send the message about my 
disappointment that the vet was unwilling to discuss things over the 
phone. They put me on hold and the vet came on with apologies for the 
misunderstanding. She said she had some blunt advice for me and 
thought it better to discuss it in person. Of course her "blunt" 
advice was no worse than the conclusions I'd already come to on my 
own. They do, as does Michelle, suspect strongly that he has 
lymphoma. They are still hesitant to treat for it without further 
confirmation, but I got the distinct impression that if I insisted, they 
would. Both doctors feel that aggressive cancer treatment would, at 
best, buy him limited time, and disrupt the quality of life he is 
experiencing now. She said that she has, in cases like this, tapered 
the steroid dose, (after initial daily dosing), to eod in an attempt to 
avoid prolonged use reactions. Unfortunately, the result in these 
cases is usually the same, the cat crashes and there's no way to tell if 
it's a result of prolonged steroid use, the tapering of the steroid, or the 
lymphoma itself. Nasty business this.So, even with discussing 
things over with the vet, my decision made this morning stands for 
now. I wish there were some way to make Spencer "all better", since 
that doesn't appear to be possible, (at least not without Divine 
Intervention, and I don't need a vet for that), I will make the time he has 
the best quality that I can.Nina

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)





I know for a fact that they are "pessimistic" because of his felv/fiv
status, I don't know for certain, but I suspect they also feel his
cancer is in an advanced stage. I've asked for their opinions based on
their intuition and experience and they've given it to me. 

You're right, our nature does lead us to question our decisions after
the fact, no matter what those decisions were. It's time to take the
advice that I've given to so many, to make peace with the "what ifs" as
best I can, base my decisions on the information I have to go on and do
what I feel is in Spencer's best interest. And yes, cancer does indeed
suck.

I'm going to go hug my cat,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  well, I certainly understand your decision. Oncologists are
usually pretty optimistic, at least in terms of months, with treating
lymphoma with chemo, unless there is something particular about the
case and how advanced it is. Are they pessimistic because he is
positive, or because they think he is very advanced? Being positive
does not affect response to chemo, but it does seem to shorten the
length of remission in many cases.
  
  I wish that I had done chemo with my two that I did not,but
sometimes I wonder if I did too much with Simon, unless I focus on the
few weeks of really good time that he had at the end. There is no real
answer. Whatever you do will probably seem wrong afterwards, as that is
our nature. If you are comfortable with the decision now, that is
really all you can go by.
  
  I would definitely not taper the dexamethasone unless you are
going to start giving a shot of depo periodically as well. If he is
not getting chemo, then it is unlikely he will have more than a few
months at most, which is when side effects from steroids normally set
in if they are going to. So I don't think you should be worrying about
that right now.
  
  cancer sucks.
  
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:21:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I just called to cancel my appointment today and send the
message about my disappointment that the vet was unwilling to discuss
things over the phone. They put me on hold and the vet came on with
apologies for the misunderstanding. She said she had some blunt advice
for me and thought it better to discuss it in person. Of course her
"blunt" advice was no worse than the conclusions I'd already come to on
my own. They do, as does Michelle, suspect strongly that he has
lymphoma. They are still hesitant to treat for it without further
confirmation, but I got the distinct impression that if I insisted,
they would. Both doctors feel that aggressive cancer treatment would,
at best, buy him limited time, and disrupt the quality of life he is
experiencing now. She said that she has, in cases like this, tapered
the steroid dose, (after initial daily dosing), to eod in an attempt to
avoid prolonged use reactions. Unfortunately, the result in these
cases is usually the same, the cat crashes and there's no way to tell
if it's a result of prolonged steroid use, the tapering of the steroid,
or the lymphoma itself. Nasty business this.

So, even with discussing things over with the vet, my decision made
this morning stands for now. I wish there were some way to make
Spencer "all better", since that doesn't appear to be possible, (at
least not without Divine Intervention, and I don't need a vet for
that), I will make the time he has the best quality that I can.
Nina

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)





I think that hugginghim is probably the best thing, all around. It is 
pretty much the only thing that has ever made me feel better, when 
goingthrough this. 

lots of love,
michelle

In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:48:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I know 
  for a fact that they are "pessimistic" because of his felv/fiv status, I don't 
  know for certain, but I suspect they also feel his cancer is in an advanced 
  stage. I've asked for their opinions based on their intuition and 
  experience and they've given it to me. You're right, our nature 
  does lead us to question our decisions after the fact, no matter what those 
  decisions were. It's time to take the advice that I've given to so many, 
  to make peace with the "what ifs" as best I can, base my decisions on the 
  information I have to go on and do what I feel is in Spencer's best 
  interest. And yes, cancer does indeed suck.I'm going to go hug 
  my cat,Nina

RE: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)









Yep.. cancer sucks,, so does CRF, heart
disease, FIP and so many more disease..

I also have to come to conclusion that
giving so many different disease available for feline the odd of our cats
dying of some type of deadly disease are very very high.. as much as we want
them to just get old and die from an old age, but nothing else.. I am
feeling that its not going to happen that often so, what I feel
is that not so much about what they die of.. but how much they enjoy of their
life and how they die.whatever it is they may have as illness.. cross
peacefully. And I have to tell you,, I have been very fortunate.. no
matter what they died of.. they all have passed with not much pain.. if not,
not long at all and thats a gift to me



So, yes cancer sucks.. but right now,
Spencer is not in pain..so thats blessing ---











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006
1:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Spencer and making
decisions (was my vet's office called)





I know for a fact that they are
pessimistic because of his felv/fiv status, I don't know for certain,
but I suspect they also feel his cancer is in an advanced stage. I've
asked for their opinions based on their intuition and experience and they've
given it to me. 

You're right, our nature does lead us to question our decisions after the fact,
no matter what those decisions were. It's time to take the advice that
I've given to so many, to make peace with the what ifs as best I
can, base my decisions on the information I have to go on and do what I feel is
in Spencer's best interest. And yes, cancer does indeed suck.

I'm going to go hug my cat,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







well, I certainly understand your
decision. Oncologists are usually pretty optimistic, at least in terms of
months, with treating lymphoma with chemo, unless there is something particular
about the case and how advanced it is. Are they pessimistic because he is
positive, or because they think he is very advanced? Being positive does not
affect response to chemo, but it does seem to shorten the length of remission
in many cases.











I wish that I had done chemo with my two that I did
not,but sometimes I wonder if I did too much with Simon, unless I focus
on the few weeks of really good time that he had at the end. There is no
real answer. Whatever you do will probably seem wrong afterwards, as that is
our nature. If you are comfortable with the decision now, that is really
all you can go by.











I would definitely not taper the dexamethasone unless
you are going to start giving a shot of depo periodically as well. If he
is not getting chemo, then it is unlikely he will have more than a few months
at most, which is when side effects from steroids normally set in if they are
going to. So I don't think you should be worrying about that right now.











cancer sucks.











Michelle











In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:21:32 P.M. Eastern
Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:





I just called to cancel my appointment today and send
the message about my disappointment that the vet was unwilling to discuss
things over the phone. They put me on hold and the vet came on with
apologies for the misunderstanding. She said she had some blunt advice
for me and thought it better to discuss it in person. Of course her
blunt advice was no worse than the conclusions I'd already come to
on my own. They do, as does Michelle, suspect strongly that he has
lymphoma. They are still hesitant to treat for it without further confirmation,
but I got the distinct impression that if I insisted, they would. Both
doctors feel that aggressive cancer treatment would, at best, buy him limited
time, and disrupt the quality of life he is experiencing now. She said
that she has, in cases like this, tapered the steroid dose, (after initial
daily dosing), to eod in an attempt to avoid prolonged use reactions.
Unfortunately, the result in these cases is usually the same, the cat crashes
and there's no way to tell if it's a result of prolonged steroid use, the
tapering of the steroid, or the lymphoma itself. Nasty business this.

So, even with discussing things over with the vet, my decision made this
morning stands for now. I wish there were some way to make Spencer
all better, since that doesn't appear to be possible, (at least not
without Divine Intervention, and I don't need a vet for that), I will make the
time he has the best quality that I can.
Nina

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)



At 12:49 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote:

I would not taper off the steroids either. Cats in general tolerate them
so well...and the side effects are quite far down the road. I know many a
cat to be on 10 mgs every day for years and years,,,Steroids improve the
appetite,,slow down the lymphoma increase the feeling of well being so I
would sure use the steroids for as many months or even years Spencer has
left,
Even with their side effects I believe they are a miracle.
Kelly



I know for a fact that they are
pessimistic because of his felv/fiv status, I don't know for
certain, but I suspect they also feel his cancer is in an advanced
stage. I've asked for their opinions based on their intuition and
experience and they've given it to me. 

You're right, our nature does lead us to question our decisions after the
fact, no matter what those decisions were. It's time to take the
advice that I've given to so many, to make peace with the what
ifs as best I can, base my decisions on the information I have to
go on and do what I feel is in Spencer's best interest. And yes,
cancer does indeed suck.
I'm going to go hug my cat,
Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
well, I certainly
understand your decision. Oncologists are usually pretty
optimistic, at least in terms of months, with treating lymphoma with
chemo, unless there is something particular about the case and how
advanced it is. Are they pessimistic because he is positive, or
because they think he is very advanced? Being positive does not affect
response to chemo, but it does seem to shorten the length of remission in
many cases.

I wish that I had done chemo with my two that I did not, but sometimes I
wonder if I did too much with Simon, unless I focus on the few weeks of
really good time that he had at the end. There is no real answer.
Whatever you do will probably seem wrong afterwards, as that is our
nature. If you are comfortable with the decision now, that is
really all you can go by.

I would definitely not taper the dexamethasone unless you are going to
start giving a shot of depo periodically as well. If he is not
getting chemo, then it is unlikely he will have more than a few months at
most, which is when side effects from steroids normally set in if they
are going to. So I don't think you should be worrying about that right
now.

cancer sucks.

Michelle

In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:21:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:


I just called to cancel my appointment today and send the message
about my disappointment that the vet was unwilling to discuss things over
the phone. They put me on hold and the vet came on with apologies
for the misunderstanding. She said she had some blunt advice for me
and thought it better to discuss it in person. Of course her
blunt advice was no worse than the conclusions I'd already
come to on my own. They do, as does Michelle, suspect strongly that
he has lymphoma. They are still hesitant to treat for it without
further confirmation, but I got the distinct impression that if I
insisted, they would. Both doctors feel that aggressive cancer
treatment would, at best, buy him limited time, and disrupt the quality
of life he is experiencing now. She said that she has, in cases
like this, tapered the steroid dose, (after initial daily dosing), to eod
in an attempt to avoid prolonged use reactions. Unfortunately, the
result in these cases is usually the same, the cat crashes and there's no
way to tell if it's a result of prolonged steroid use, the tapering of
the steroid, or the lymphoma itself. Nasty business this.

So, even with discussing things over with the vet, my decision made
this morning stands for now. I wish there were some way to make
Spencer all better, since that doesn't appear to be possible,
(at least not without Divine Intervention, and I don't need a vet for
that), I will make the time he has the best quality that I can.

Nina

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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)





Oh Hideyo, your words are so wise and evolved! You're absolutely
right, we are all "terminal" from the moment we are born. Everyone and
everything has their time here and then passes away. We sometimes
forget that life here on earth is a transient gift; how it all seems to
go by in the blink of an eye. How and when we die can sometimes be the
subject of obsession, but the way we live is what really matters.
Here's to life my friends. Now excuse me while I go and have a good
cry.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  

  
  
  Yep.. cancer
sucks,, so does CRF, heart
disease, FIP and so many more disease..
  I also have
to come to conclusion that
giving so many different disease available for feline the odd of
our cats
dying of some type of deadly disease are very very high.. as much as we
want
them to just get old and die from an old age, but nothing else.. I am
feeling that its not going to happen that often so, what I feel
is that not so much about what they die of.. but how much they enjoy of
their
life and how they die.whatever it is they may have as illness.. cross
peacefully. And I have to tell you,, I have been very fortunate.. no
matter what they died of.. they all have passed with not much pain.. if
not,
not long at all and thats a gift to me
  
  So, yes
cancer sucks.. but right now,
Spencer is not in pain..so thats blessing ---

Re: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

2006-09-14 Thread cindy reasoner

I am sending prayers to your Dharma.

Cindy Reasoner

--- Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my
 beautiful calico girl,
 Dharma - Dharma is Naomi's sister who passed away a
 couple of months ago
 a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP.  She
 was only 4 months
 old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and
 taking care of her
 when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost
 my beloved boy,
 Peter who was about 1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week
 after Naomi crossed
 the bridge.
 
  
 
 I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma
 has been less
 active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and
 has some fever on
 and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye
 pupil size were
 different.. that's very similar to what happened to
 my Naomi and I took
 her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her
 PCV was low 23..
 again that's what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and
 she had a fever of
 103.5 -
 
  
 
 Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma
 has what Peter and
 Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which
 will kill cats very
 quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms
 and I am going t to
 start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for
 sending it to me
 again) once we get her total body function blood
 work.
 
  
 
 After the vet's visit today, I got sick to my
 stomach thinking how I am
 going to deal with it..but I know I need to... and I
 cried for about 30
 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again
 sometime..but right now..I
 need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting
 against (which Naomi
 may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick
 at all.. just
 subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma
 will recover
 whatever she has and she will live with us happily
 ever after for a long
 time...
 
  
 
 Thank you!
 
 


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Re: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

2006-09-14 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Prayers to you and sweet Dharma. SherryHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful calico girl, Dharma Dharma is Naomis sister who passed away a couple of months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP. She was only 4 months old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of her when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter who was about 1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.I have during the past few
weeks noticed that Dharma has been less active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever on and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye pupil size were different.. thats very similar to what happened to my Naomi and I took her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again thats what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of 103.5 Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once we get her total body function
blood work.After the vets visit today, I got sick to my stomach thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need to and I cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again sometime..but right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting against (which Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at all.. just subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover whatever she has and she will live with us happily ever after for a long timeThank you!
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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

2006-09-14 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Nina mt thoughts and prayers are with you and Spencer.I know you are doing the right thing with him,give him the best love that you can.I know that you already do.Take care and hugs to you. SherryNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone,That was my first reaction too. I even said to the vet's assistant that I needed my answers BEFORE I brought Spencer in again. It was her suggestion to bring him anyway. Let me clarify something ... The doctor that is insisting on the consultation in person is not my regular internist. She got on the case because when Spencer was failing, my regular vet was not on duty and I wanted him seen asap. I've been tip toeing around trying not to offend this woman, she has been pretty good for the most part and I figured three heads were better than
two.I've been thinking long and hard about all this, as you can imagine. I have been talking to Spencer, doing my best to make a decision based on everyone's best interests. The pressure to decide quickly (given that remission is more likely in the beginning stages of cancer), has made it all the more difficult to think clearly. I'm disappointed that the vet won't discuss things over the phone and I don't have enough history with her to assume she's right in insisting that I come in there. Perhaps she's just tired of trying to discuss things with me over the phone and through a third party. (Every answer she gives me prompts two or three more questions).Looking at Spencer, seeing the burst of quality life the steroid shots have given him, suspecting that putting him through the tests, office visits and treatments, will at best buy him more time, but not necessarily QUALITY time... I'm having a hard time making my decision
final by writing to all of you about it, but I am very close to deciding to stop all hope of a medical intervention miracle and just enjoy the time we have together as things stand. That doesn't mean that I'll ever give up hope that Spencer will somehow miraculously rally, that by some chance he doesn't have cancer at all, it's all a big mistake and he'll just continue to improve and get well. I have, however, been around this disease long enough to recognize the sounding of the closing bell when I hear it. I can't tell you the number of times my heart has sank reading posts on this list from kitty guardians with the same symptoms that Spencer has presented. I was discussing with my sister yesterday about how reluctant I am to put Spencer through any more stress. About how even if we did get a definitive diagnosis of a specific cancer, I'm not at all sure I'd want to treat him for it. Something my sister said has been echoing through
my mind... She said, it seemed to her that putting Spencer through a battery of tests with the HOPE, (not the suspicion), of it being something curable, was not reason enough to disturb what may very well be his last days. I've always been grateful when one of my loved ones has had good final days with a quick and peaceful passing. Buying more time with Spencer, if that's even possible, does not seem worth the cost.I just got a call from Hideyo. Hideyo reminded me that animals live in the NOW. Taking a moment away from the rambling I've been doing to you kind folks has helped. I went and gave Spencer some food. Petting him as he ate, I felt some of this awful weight lifting from both our shoulders. I'm not saying I won't change my mind again, but I'm feeling a sense of calm and peace that has been rare since Spence first started showing symptoms. It leads me to believe I'm on the right track
here. He came back from what seemed like the dead to be with me. That's just what I'm going to allow him to do; BE with me in the now.Thanks for being my sounding board and indulging me while I think out loud. As always, I'm so very grateful to the support of this group,Nina Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Nina, either I'm reading this wrong, or this is unacceptable. You've been so protective of Spencer's stress level vis a vis the vet, and now you have to bring him in just to *talk* to the vet?? Did the assistant say the vet was going to do any tests or anything, or just talk to you about options, because if he's not, you should march in there WITHOUT Spencer and have your talk. That way you spare Spence the trauma of the visit, you can be a little more objective without him in
front of you, and most important, you won't be forced to make any hard decisions and have them acted on immediately, you can go home to Spence and consult him in your own time and have some good time together. Don't let your vet force your hand, this is a hard time and you don't want to be rushed or distracted. Just my $.02.Diane R.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer - my vet's office called My vet's

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

2006-09-14 Thread Belinda

  Oh believe me as much as I love my vet, I know she thinks I'm a giant 
pain in the ass, but who cares as long as I get the care I need for my 
furkid!!


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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

2006-09-14 Thread Belinda

  I know of a FeLV cat in Kansas City that is 2 years post cancer 
diagnosis and still going strong, Nina you may remember Stacy and Samba 
from the lymphoma list, she doesn't post hardly at all anymore but I 
check Samba's daily calendar every once in a while and he is still in 
remission.


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Kayte and Crackers

Kayte,

How are you?  Sounds like Crackers is doing fine.  I'm
so glad he threw his cold.  How did the vet visit go
this afternoon?  I hope really well.  I'm glad to read
that Crackers likes his new food.  How is your dad
doing?  Has he had his surgery yet?  I hope he's
better.

I wanted to respond to a few of the questions you had
posted over the last several days.  One, don't wait on
the immune boosters for Crackers.  Get him started on
the Lysine and Vitamin C so that they can help him
fight off this virus now.  I would just get used to
the fact that he's going to be getting them for many 
months until you retest him, and then you can
re-evaluate at that point.  Two, I don't take my
kitties' temperatures.  If I try to stick anything up
their butts, they act like I'm removing a limb.  lol. 
BUT, I can sometimes tell that they don't feel well. 
They will act like cats or human children do after
receiving vaccinations: lethargic, overall not feeling
well.  You can also get an ear digital thermometer at
Petsmart and/or Petco, I think.  It might only be
online though.  They are about $50.  I'm still saving
for mine.  Three, any changes to a cat's regular
routine or environment, including visitors, your
vacation, loud noises, changes in diet, changes in
litter or location of box, etc. constitute stress. 
Avoiding as much of that as possible will help
Crackers.

I hope your day went well.  Tell us how the vet visit
went!
:)
Wendy

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Re: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

Prayers going out for you and Dharma, Hideyo.

:)
Wendy

--- Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my
 beautiful calico girl,
 Dharma - Dharma is Naomi's sister who passed away a
 couple of months ago
 a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP.  She
 was only 4 months
 old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and
 taking care of her
 when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost
 my beloved boy,
 Peter who was about 1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week
 after Naomi crossed
 the bridge.
 
  
 
 I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma
 has been less
 active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and
 has some fever on
 and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye
 pupil size were
 different.. that's very similar to what happened to
 my Naomi and I took
 her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her
 PCV was low 23..
 again that's what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and
 she had a fever of
 103.5 -
 
  
 
 Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma
 has what Peter and
 Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which
 will kill cats very
 quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms
 and I am going t to
 start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for
 sending it to me
 again) once we get her total body function blood
 work.
 
  
 
 After the vet's visit today, I got sick to my
 stomach thinking how I am
 going to deal with it..but I know I need to... and I
 cried for about 30
 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again
 sometime..but right now..I
 need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting
 against (which Naomi
 may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick
 at all.. just
 subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma
 will recover
 whatever she has and she will live with us happily
 ever after for a long
 time...
 
  
 
 Thank you!
 
 


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To Kelly re. crazy lady

Kelly, 

Any updates on the crazy lady stealing people's
beloved pets and 'surrendering' them to the SPCA, for
lack of a better term?  I got so angry reading your
post.  What kind of person has the time to go around
and pick up stray cats and turn them in; cats that are
people's pets, no less.  This lady is borderline
sociopath in my opinion, and if those would have been
my cats, I can guarantee you I would have ended up in
jail for what I would have done to her.  My cats are
like children to me, and she would have made me go
over the deep end if she'd done that to me.  How
incredibly horrible!

Wendy

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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

Nina, 

I'm finally caught up with all the updates on Spencer.
 As I was reading your last post, your decision for
Spencer for right now felt right to me.  Sending
encouragement your way and healing prayers for
Spencer.  I'm glad you have finally found some peace. 
Please keep us posted on him.

:)
Wendy

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To Laura re. Ziggy

Laura,

How is Ziggy doing today?  Any new news?  Prayers
going out for little Ziggy.

:)
Wendy

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To Hideyo re. Ayumi

Hideyo,

How is Ayumi doing lately?

:)
Wendy

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To Phaewryn re. encouragement

Hi Phaewryn,

How are you?  I know you probably won't get this for a
week or so, since you are settling in your son.  I
hope his change in residence is a smooth one, and you
all have a smooth transition.  I wanted to offer you
encouragement and pray for peace and wisdom for you in
caring for him.  It sounds as if you might have your
hands full for a little while.  Please keep us posted
and let us know how things went.

:)
Wendy

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Re: To Kelly re. crazy lady


At 02:32 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote:

Things are in the works. I spoke with ALDF today.. I will sure keep 
everyone informed though,

I am not done with this one
Thanks
kelly



Kelly,

Any updates on the crazy lady stealing people's
beloved pets and 'surrendering' them to the SPCA, for
lack of a better term?  I got so angry reading your
post.  What kind of person has the time to go around
and pick up stray cats and turn them in; cats that are
people's pets, no less.  This lady is borderline
sociopath in my opinion, and if those would have been
my cats, I can guarantee you I would have ended up in
jail for what I would have done to her.  My cats are
like children to me, and she would have made me go
over the deep end if she'd done that to me.  How
incredibly horrible!

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Re: Cannot Diagnose Breathing Issue with Smokey

2006-09-14 Thread Carbonel


 Dee  Evan wrote:

  Hi everyone.  Sorry I haven't been checking any of our messages
  lately. We are perplexed by Smokey's breathing issues.  We have had
  him to the vet 3-4 times in the past month trying to figure out what
  is going on.  We did another chest x-ray.  There is no fluid around
  his lungs but his lungs still look like fluffy cotton, maybe even a
  little worse at his last visit on 09/05/06.  Our vet sent blood work
  out to a lab to get several tests ran.  The results came back today.
  His RBC is at 5.92 so he has slight anemia.  His hematocrit is at
  37%.  But everything else was negative.  No infection, no bacteria, no
  fungal infection, everything came out clean.  It was even negative for
  the hemobart parasite.  I plan on finishing the Doxy regiment until at
  least the 21st though.  I am just worried sick over his breathing.
  Periodically he also has coughing fits.  I just don't know what to
  think.  The vet said the next step would be an ultrasound, especially
  of his heart.  I started him on Lysine last week.  I think he has
  gotten wise to it as he has stopped eating as much of his canned food
  that I put it in.  At least I am hoping that is the case  it is not
  because he doesn't want to eat now.  He still LOVES his chicken I feed
  him in the morning  evening.  We have a running tally of about $1,200
  to $1,300 so far and I am running out of resourse to fund this.  Any
  input, suggestions, or encouragement would be greatly appreciated at
  this point.  Thanks to everyone...you are a wonderful group of
  people.  All of your furbabies are in good hands.
  ~Dee


Hi Dee,

This sounds like asthma.  Speak to your vet about inhaled albuterol for
flare ups and Flovent (inhaled steroid) to reduce inflammation which may be
causing his breathing difficulty.  Inhaled Flovent has virtually no systemic
effects. You'll need a spacer to deliver the medication to his lungs  see
http://aerokat.com/  Flovent takes about a week to begin working but the
albuterol should give him immediate relief.

Joe

Re: searching for a cat sitter

A lot of the techs that work for my vet do this kind of thing.  I would feel 
better letting (most of) them check on my cat than a stranger.  Maybe you 
could ask?







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
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From: Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: searching for a cat sitter



Don't vet offices usually have cards or information available?  I just
recently saw a card in our vet's office for a girl who walks dogs, feeds
pets and gives medications.




[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/14/06 9:55:20 AM 

I don't know of any petsitters personally in your area but I was
looking for a friend in a different area and basically did a google
search cat sitter, brooklyn.  Several sites came up.  Here's one link
I found ...
http://www.meowhoo.com/Specialized_Pet_Services/Cat_Sitters/more3.html


JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  HI,
 Does anyone know any cat sitters that service the brooklyn area,
especially the bed-stuy area.  We are going away in a week and need a
cat sitter.  I had a coworker lined up but he just bailed on me.  Every
cat sitting service I have contacted lately doe not service my area.
Two feluks at home, one lovable the other feral, can't bring them to get
boarded.  Healthy, not on medication.  Anyone that knows someone please
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Re: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister




Prayers and blessings. Remember that you have a lovely cat who is 
here and needs to be loved. Not a walking dead cat. Every one of us 
starts dying the minute we are born. No one knows when or where we will 
leave this world. Dharma needs to be loved and cared for as the wonderful 
living being she is. This is so awfully hard but it is possible. 
Honest.






 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:33 
  PM
  Subject: Re: I am asking for another 
  prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister
  
  
  and me-
  michelle
  
  In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:19:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Prayers from me too

Re: morbid question about finding autopsy studies




Don't tell them it is because of a malpractice 
issue. I know you will get nothing done then. Some times private 
vets can do these. 

Good luck.






 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Moermond 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:07 
  PM
  Subject: Re: morbid question about 
  finding autopsy studies
  or a private tox lab? a tox lab on campus (provided the 
  campus has a toxicology program)? Did they ask Tufts where they could 
  get a tox analysis done?Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  state 
crime lab? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 

  
  Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her 
  find a place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they 
  have frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat 
  died in surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) 
  and do not know where to get this kind of study. Apparently they brought 
  the cat to Tufts, a university vet hospital, and they did a necropsy but 
  no tox analysis. 
  
  any thoughts?
  
  thanks,
  michelleBarb+Smoky the House 
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should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making 
me smile." - Anonymous 


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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

My vet is always making time for me to ask questions.  Yours should too. 
Especially if you are offering to pay for the time (mine never charges and 
turned down a long distance phone card I left so he could call me without 
cost to himself).  You need realistic information.  And you need to be the 
judge of quality of life issues.  No one would have believed that the Royal 
Princess Kitty Katt could live 15 months with no issues.  According to the 
experts she should  have left this world a couple of months after she was 
diagnosed with cancer.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)



   Nina,
  I have actually made an appointment with my vet before to get all my 
questions answered.  I wrote them all down and made a regular appointment 
to just talk with her, and not have to stress my cat by bringing them in. 
I fully intended to pay for my appointment which lasted about 25 to 30 
minutes but she didn't charge me.  Would your vet go for that even if she 
just charged an office call atleast you could get ALL of your questions 
answered, just be sure to write them down so you don't forget anything. 
And you can ask any new ones that pop up too.


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RE: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister









Yep..I totally believe in and focus on power
of intension --- though its not easy to do all the time.. otherwise,
I will be killing her before diagnosis..



I will picture her with all my energy in
very happy and healthy and strong body  and playing with other kitties
and eating like a little piggyand seeing Naomi as her guardian angels.











From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006
4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I am asking for
another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister







Prayers and blessings. Remember
that you have a lovely cat who is here and needs to be loved. Not a
walking dead cat. Every one of us starts dying the minute we are
born. No one knows when or where we will leave this world. Dharma
needs to be loved and cared for as the wonderful living being she is.
This is so awfully hard but it is possible. Honest.










































If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 

will deal likewise with their fellow man.

St. Francis







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:33 PM





Subject: Re: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister













and me-





michelle











In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:19:35 P.M.
Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:





Prayers from me too

RE: To Hideyo re. Ayumi

That's so sweet of you to remember about her and ask me, Wendy.

Ayumi is doing okay.. or I should say pretty good.. she still breaths
with tongue sticking out.. but my vet does not think it's caused by
heart and am not willing to let her go through anesthesia to find out
what's in her throat (and my vet does not want me to do it either)..

She eats, but I am also giving her food with syringe so that she can put
weight back.. her PCV was up by 1 - 21 to 22 -- and I am taking her back
next Monday to see if it's up more.. as we think that benezapril caused
her anemia.. (I hope so. Because other wise I wouldn't know the cause of
it..)

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Hideyo,

How is Ayumi doing lately?

:)
Wendy

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Crackers Vet Visit GREAT NEWS!!

2006-09-14 Thread Watsdadillyo




New vet is awesome..clipped his nails brushed his coat checked ears teeth 
temperature...rubbed him all over checked it all...I love that he only deals 
with cats! he said ohh crackers is a handsome moose LOL!! he said crackers is 
VERY healthy...he did kick the URI on his own so doc said that he has a great 
immune system...the only difference from 2 weeks ago is his weight...he was 13 
days ago 18.6lbs now he is 19.1 lbs...he said that at this time he doesn't think 
that Crackers needs interferon and to come back in 6 months and he'll recheck 
the elissa and IFA but of course I should come in at any time I need 
to...he said that he has no symptons at this time!! I am s happy. I love the 
way he "baby" talked and handled cracker. He would talk directly to him. THANK 
YOU KAT I found him from your list:) Let me know If I can ever help you. 
Hope all babies are doing great:)
kayte

Re: Crackers Vet Visit GREAT NEWS!!



At 04:15 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote:

GREAT!!!
Kelly

New vet is
awesome..clipped his nails brushed his coat checked ears teeth
temperature...rubbed him all over checked it all...I love that he only
deals with cats! he said ohh crackers is a handsome moose LOL!! he said
crackers is VERY healthy...he did kick the URI on his own so doc said
that he has a great immune system...the only difference from 2 weeks ago
is his weight...he was 13 days ago 18.6lbs now he is 19.1 lbs...he said
that at this time he doesn't think that Crackers needs interferon and to
come back in 6 months and he'll recheck the elissa and IFA but of course
I should come in at any time I need to...he said that he has no
symptons at this time!! I am s happy. I love the way he
baby talked and handled cracker. He would talk directly to
him. THANK YOU KAT I found him from your list:) Let me know If I
can ever help you. Hope all babies are doing great:)
kayte
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is interferon immune booster or suppresant??









I hear and read both ways -- which one is it?

Re: is interferon immune booster or suppresant??





booster

steroids and chemo drugs are the only immune suppressants I know of (that 
we purposefully administer, anyway)

Michelle

In a message dated 9/14/2006 7:38:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I hear and read both ways -- 
  which one is it?

RE: is interferon immune booster or suppressant??









Then, I am more confused --- for FIP
treatment, interferon is suggested, but since the virus attack their immune
system, they use steroid to suppress the immune system, but then why would the
use interferon to boost the immune system?











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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006
5:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: is interferon immune
booster or suppresant??









booster











steroids and chemo drugs are the only
immune suppressants I know of (that we purposefully administer, anyway)











Michelle











In a message dated 9/14/2006 7:38:38 P.M.
Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





I hear and read both ways -- which one is it?

Re: is interferon immune booster or suppressant??





There are two kinds of immune cells, B cells and T cells. B cells are the 
killer cells which kill foreign invading bodies like viruses and bacteria, and 
which sometimes go wild and attack the body itself, which is called an 
auto-immune reaction. T cells control the B cells, causing them to 
multiply or slow down as needed. When there is an auto-immune reaction, it 
means the B cells are out of control going wild, and that the T cells are not 
controlling them, probably because the T cells are low. When people have 
AIDS, they have low T cell counts. Most immune boosters support T cells, 
not B cells. I think that interferon supports T cells, or is supposed to. 
So even if you are giving steroids, which suppress B cells (and maybe T cells 
too, I don't know), you still want to support T cells, because those help keep 
the immune system in the right balance.

Does that make sense? The vet who wrote the I-R article on the web 
page, Dr. Mike Lees in Ohio, told me that he uses I-R combined with steroids 
when steroids seem necessary, because he believes that I-R supports T cell 
function rather than B cell proliferation.

Michelle

In a message dated 9/14/2006 7:54:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Then, I am more 
  confused --- for FIP treatment, interferon is suggested, but since the virus 
  attack their immune system, they use steroid to suppress the immune system, 
  but then why would the use interferon to boost the immune 
  system?

RE: is interferon immune booster or suppressant??









Ah it does, thanks, Michelle -











From:
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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006
5:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: is interferon immune
booster or suppressant??









There are two kinds of immune cells, B
cells and T cells. B cells are the killer cells which kill foreign invading
bodies like viruses and bacteria, and which sometimes go wild and attack the
body itself, which is called an auto-immune reaction. T cells control the
B cells, causing them to multiply or slow down as needed. When there is
an auto-immune reaction, it means the B cells are out of control going wild,
and that the T cells are not controlling them, probably because the T cells are
low. When people have AIDS, they have low T cell counts. Most
immune boosters support T cells, not B cells. I think that interferon
supports T cells, or is supposed to. So even if you are giving steroids, which
suppress B cells (and maybe T cells too, I don't know), you still want to
support T cells, because those help keep the immune system in the right
balance.











Does that make sense? The vet who
wrote the I-R article on the web page, Dr. Mike Lees in Ohio, told me that he uses I-R combined with
steroids when steroids seem necessary, because he believes that I-R supports T
cell function rather than B cell proliferation.











Michelle











In a message dated 9/14/2006 7:54:54 P.M.
Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Then, I am more confused --- for FIP
treatment, interferon is suggested, but since the virus attack their immune
system, they use steroid to suppress the immune system, but then why would the
use interferon to boost the immune system?

RE: is interferon immune booster or suppressant??