Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Belinda]

   A friend of mine whose kitty would have pancreatitis attacks 
frequently but not so much now that they have figured out what works for 
her, gives her cat higher doses of prednisolone when she has an attack, 
this cat has been on prednisolone for many years because of it (over 7 
years I think).  She just had an eposide about 6 months ago that 
presented differently and they took her in and did over 600 dollars in 
tests that were basically inconclusive, so my friend decided to up her 
pred and guess what it cleared up.  They were almost considering 
euthanizing her because she was so miserable, but the higher pred took 
care of it so it was a pnacreatitis attack same as before.  I think this 
kitty is about 15 or 16 years old.  She keeps her on a higher dose of 
pred when she is having an attack and when she is over it weans her very 
slowly down to a maintenance dose.  I can talk to her and find out what 
food she eats.  She has a lot of, in fact almost all of her cats are 
special needs.  They all have special diets, and many are on various 
medications.  I'll try and get a hold of her tomorrow and ask her about it.


Bailey was also on the raw diet when he got sick, I don't know if that 
had anything to do with it or not, I do know he got quite plump on the 
raw and was eating really good until he got sick. 


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Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Lernermichelle]

 
How would you have treated the pancreatitis had you known?
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:13:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Remember  too Bailey was anemic, no fluid in the belly but his anemia was 
symptomatic of  his undiagnosed pancreatitis which ended up being cancer of the 
pancreas,  don't know if it was cancer all along or turned into cancer from not 
being  treated.


Anemia can cause heart  murmer



 

I.R

[Kelly L]

Excuse my typo..I did not go from 1/2 cc   to 2/4 cc,,,yeah I know it 
is the same

It should have said 1/2 to 3/4   or 0.5 to 0.75 cc
sorry
Kelly

Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Belinda]

  This is know is true, my vet mentioned it today because Fred had a 
heart murmur today something he's never had before and he is and has 
been slightly anemic for a while now (28% last blood work three weeks 
ago).  Remember too Bailey was anemic, no fluid in the belly but his 
anemia was symptomatic of his undiagnosed pancreatitis which ended up 
being cancer of the pancreas, don't know if it was cancer all along or 
turned into cancer from not being treated.



Anemia can cause heart murmer


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Re: Cindy-- what dose IR?

[Kelly L]

At 04:41 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote:


Go here..scroll a bit
http://www.felineleukemia.org/treatmnt.html#ireg


actually, I don't have the book I saw that in, and all I can show 
the vet is the company info which says .25 so he did not want to do 
more.  Can you send me info or a link or a citation to where it says 1/2 to 1?


In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:40:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The recommended doses I see is 1/2 to 1 cc  IV is the very best route
I used 1/2 cc the first time and them I went to 2/4 cc,,,Max 
weight 11 lbs...

Kelly


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Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Kelly L]

At 07:13 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote:

IR does cause a short term increase in temp,,,

   I was just wondering this too since it seems to happen 
after??  If I remember I'll ask my vet tomorrow when she calls with 
Fred's blood work, I don't know if she has used it much so she may not know.


Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes?  Am I 
thinking of something else?  Could her fluctuating fever be a 
reaction to the IR??


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Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Belinda]

   I was just wondering this too since it seems to happen after??  If I 
remember I'll ask my vet tomorrow when she calls with Fred's blood work, 
I don't know if she has used it much so she may not know.


Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes?  Am I thinking 
of something else?  Could her fluctuating fever be a reaction to the IR??


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Re: Junior's ear

[elizabeth trent]

I'm so glad Junior is feeling a wee bit better - hoping so much this helps
him.

elizabeth


On 1/19/07, Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I am hoping Junior's eye starts to improve after his shot today. His ear
is now curling back where it is deflating from the swelling. He looks very
funny. Hopefully by tomorrow the ears will be back to normal. He seems to
feel a bit better. He ate well and slept a good part of the day. We shall
see if this helps him.

Sally

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Junior's ear

[Sally Davis]

I am hoping Junior's eye starts to improve after his shot today. His ear is
now curling back where it is deflating from the swelling. He looks very
funny. Hopefully by tomorrow the ears will be back to normal. He seems to
feel a bit better. He ate well and slept a good part of the day. We shall
see if this helps him.

Sally

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Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[Lernermichelle]

 
Oh, I have read most of the posts about Emily.  I forgot--  sorry.  I am glad 
she is doing well.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 9:00:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer.  She had two surgeries  and she 
is getting chemo now.  She is not FELV positive nor are any of my  other cats.  
I'm here because of Phaewryn. When she found out  about Emily's cancer she 
posted here to see if anyone had any experience with  that kind of cancer.  I 
have been quietly lurking, more or less,  ever since.  
 
Renee



 

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[BoardMailbox]

 
Yeah, I guess Dr. Clifford is a bit frustrated about not being able to give  
you an answer right away.  And the calls may be a bit more than he is used  
to, especially considering how hectic it gets there, but it's  certainly 
understandable why you would need to make those phone calls.
 
As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer.  She had two surgeries and  she 
is getting chemo now.  She is not FELV positive nor are any of my other  cats.  
I'm here because of Phaewryn. When she found out about  Emily's cancer she 
posted here to see if anyone had any experience with that  kind of cancer.  I 
have been quietly lurking, more or less,  ever  since.  
 
Renee
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:49:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you:  1) 
you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually  
has cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred  
she has been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully makes sense)-- he  
has been having to field a lot of questions not necessarily related to cancer  
because they don't know what is wrong with her and I happened to make an aptmt  
with him b/c the ER vet said lymphoma.  I can't call the internist  because 
he is still my listed doctor and I have not even met the internist--  she 
looked at Lucy in back-- and now the internist is on vacation and there is  a 
new 
one who has not even seen her. So Dr. Clifford is it, and I am annoying  him 
with questions that may be out of his field, and which are certainly not  what 
is used to dealing with.  And, I saw him yesterday, called twice  after I got 
home, and called twice this morning.  so maybe that seems  excessive. But 
things kept changing and I had questions. Plus he kept giving  us timelines 
that 
would then change, so I was questioning him on this as well  (he said she 
needed 
to be seen on Sat but the receptionist called and said she  didn't so I 
wanted to talk to him about that). etc.
 
What is Emily's story? Is she FeLV+? what is she being treated for and  what 
is she getting? how is she doing? If you have posted this already, I  
apologize.  I have not been able to keep up with all threads  lately.
 
Michelle
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:36:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist.  I'm  sorry that you are 
having a bad experience with him.  Can you call the  Internist rather than Dr. 
Clifford with your  questions?Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking  and 
they will have some concrete answers for you  tomorrow morning.  
 
Renee





 

question about IBD and anemia

[Lernermichelle]

So I have this new theory that maybe Lucy's symptoms result from IBD and a  
URI.  I read in Merck vet manual (I think-- it is written for vets so  
technical and hard to understand) that IBD can cause anemia and fluid 
distension  in 
the stomach.  Anemia can cause heart murmer and enlargement (her  enlargement 
is slight). And URI's can certainly cause fevers and congested nose,  which she 
has (and patches has URI as well).  What doesn't really make  sense is that 
her IBD symptoms have been controlled by diet, pred, and flagyl  for some time. 
But the ultrasound did show thickened intestines, so her IBD is  certainly 
still there. If this is the case, it would explain why no other  diagnosis is 
making any sense. any thoughts? Have any of you heard of IBD  causing anemia 
and/or fluid in belly?
 
thanks,
Michelle

Re: Lucy-- what to do?

[elizabeth trent]

I'm glad she is eating some, Michelle.  Still remembering you guys in my
prayers.

elizabeth


On 1/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims
(periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news though--
Gray bought her some dry i/d and she got all excited and has eaten a bunch
of it several times. At this point I think she has had at least one meal's
worth today, maybe more.  One time I was putting some in a bowl to offer her
more, and she jumped off her box and trotted over to eat it on her own.
Then the fever came back, though, so I have her on ice packs again.

I believe in dex as well. I will see what the hospital has to say tomorrow
re: the tests they ran. Problem with steroids is not just infection, but
that her heart is enlarged and has a murmer now, and steroids apparently can
make that worse.  But the enlarged heart and murmer apparently could be from
dealing with anemia over 'time, so maybe if dex helped the anemia it would
help rather than hurt her heart. I don't know. Unless she has cancer, I
doubt I will get any dex from the hospital-- they are very by the book. I am
already working on my local vet to try it with her if the hospital's test
results are inconclusive.

Kerry, do you have any dex left from bandy? I prefer dex shots, which I
assume you don't have, but if my local vet won't give me shots, maybe pills
would help.

And thank you for telling me (reminding me, actually, I do remember now)
what it is you meant by panicking and things going wrong.  I know it is hard
to talk about. But it does help me. I am constantly trying to decide whether
to bring her in, and just don't want to. Your conviction that this is ok
gives me some strength to hold off.

Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi Michelle,
Do you have any a/d?  Appetite stimulants?
I went into panic mode when I took him to the hospital for IV fluids and
they had to keep him.  We had been doing sub-q's and I should have continued
them as he wasn't that bad off until some things went wrong while he was
there..Since it was over Christmas and no regular vet tech was there only a
kennel tech...who could administer meds but I don't think very well...as one
time she was going to give Bandy a shot and said what and how much..and I
told her that was too much...she really didn't seem to know...then a few
other things happened..It is a long story and much different situation than
yours..I know something went wrongvery wrong from the time I saw him on
Christmas eve 11am until I went back again at 1pm..And I will always believe
it is something she did cause there was too much of a drastic change in him
and his condition wasn't that bad at 11am..He was sitting up purring and
talking to me and eating for me...
I'm sorry to go on about this, but I have been having nightmares about it
ever since..So I just want you to make sure to not panic and do what you can
for her with your knowledge and things at home where she will feel more
comfortable and all..I think you know what I mean.
You will know if she needs to go for more help at the vet..
I have already been through a couple of ordeals with Inky without rushing
off to the vet..just using what I have here at home..
I still believe some dex would do her wonders...as it always did for Bandy
with those dreaded fevers...and you know we battled them for months and
months..Infection or not..I have seen it do wonders..
I'll keep checking back on your guys,
Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

Re: Cindy-- what dose IR?

[Lernermichelle]

 
actually, I don't have the book I saw that in, and all I can show the vet  is 
the company info which says .25 so he did not want to do more.  Can you  send 
me info or a link or a citation to where it says 1/2 to 1?
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:40:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The recommended doses I see is 1/2 to 1 cc  IV is the very best  route
I used 1/2 cc the first time and them I went to 2/4 cc,,,Max  weight 11 
lbs...
Kelly

Re: Cindy-- what dose IR?

[Lernermichelle]

 
That is what is listed in the medications books, but the company material  
says .25 cc.  Maybe I should try a higher dose?
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:40:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



The recommended doses I see is 1/2 to 1 cc   IV is the very best route
I used 1/2 cc the first time and them I went to  2/4 cc,,,Max weight 11 
lbs...
Kelly

Re: Cindy-- what dose IR?

[Kelly L]

At 01:52 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote





The recommended doses I see is 1/2 to 1 cc  IV is the very best route
I used 1/2 cc the first time and them I went to 2/4 cc,,,Max 
weight 11 lbs...

Kelly



Cindy, what dose IV I-R did you give smoky? The vet in Ohio gives a 
whole ml at a time, which is what I gave to Patches when she had 
pneumonia and to Ginger. It helped them a lot, but Ginger had a very 
high fever spike right afterwards. The company recommends .25 ml, 
which is what I gave Lucy each time. Did you use more than that for 
Smoky? And on what schedule? Did he have any symptoms other than fever?


Thanks,
Michelle
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Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[Lernermichelle]

 
Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you: 1)  
you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually has 
 cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred she 
has  been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully makes sense)-- he has 
been  having to field a lot of questions not necessarily related to cancer 
because  they don't know what is wrong with her and I happened to make an aptmt 
with him  b/c the ER vet said lymphoma.  I can't call the internist because he 
is  still my listed doctor and I have not even met the internist-- she looked 
at  Lucy in back-- and now the internist is on vacation and there is a new 
one who  has not even seen her. So Dr. Clifford is it, and I am annoying him 
with  questions that may be out of his field, and which are certainly not what 
is 
used  to dealing with.  And, I saw him yesterday, called twice after I got 
home,  and called twice this morning.  so maybe that seems excessive. But 
things 
 kept changing and I had questions. Plus he kept giving us timelines that 
would  then change, so I was questioning him on this as well (he said she 
needed 
to be  seen on Sat but the receptionist called and said she didn't so I wanted 
to talk  to him about that). etc.
 
What is Emily's story? Is she FeLV+? what is she being treated for and what  
is she getting? how is she doing? If you have posted this already, I  
apologize.  I have not been able to keep up with all threads  lately.
 
Michelle
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:36:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist.  I'm  sorry that you are 
having a bad experience with him.  Can you call the  Internist rather than Dr. 
Clifford with your questions? Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and 
they will have some concrete  answers for you tomorrow morning.  
 
Renee



 

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[BoardMailbox]

 
Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist.  I'm  sorry that you are 
having a bad experience with him.  Can you call the  Internist rather than Dr. 
Clifford with your questions? Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and 
they will have some concrete  answers for you tomorrow morning.  
 
Renee
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:12:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
Craig Clifford.
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over  at Redbank?  Hope it's 
not the one I'm using as he has been very  patient with me.  
 
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and  prayers,
Renee





 

Re: Lucy-- what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims  
(periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news though-- 
Gray 
 bought her some dry i/d and she got all excited and has eaten a bunch of it  
several times. At this point I think she has had at least one meal's worth  
today, maybe more.  One time I was putting some in a bowl to offer her  more, 
and she jumped off her box and trotted over to eat it on her own.   Then the 
fever came back, though, so I have her on ice packs again.
 
I believe in dex as well. I will see what the hospital has to say tomorrow  
re: the tests they ran. Problem with steroids is not just infection, but that  
her heart is enlarged and has a murmer now, and steroids apparently can make  
that worse.  But the enlarged heart and murmer apparently could be from  
dealing with anemia over 'time, so maybe if dex helped the anemia it would help 
 
rather than hurt her heart. I don't know. Unless she has cancer, I doubt I will 
 
get any dex from the hospital-- they are very by the book. I am already 
working  on my local vet to try it with her if the hospital's test results are  
inconclusive. 
 
Kerry, do you have any dex left from bandy? I prefer dex shots, which I  
assume you don't have, but if my local vet won't give me shots, maybe pills  
would 
help. 
 
And thank you for telling me (reminding me, actually, I do remember now)  
what it is you meant by panicking and things going wrong.  I know it is  hard 
to 
talk about. But it does help me. I am constantly trying to decide  whether to 
bring her in, and just don't want to. Your conviction that this is ok  gives 
me some strength to hold off.
 
Thanks,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi Michelle,
Do you have any a/d?  Appetite stimulants?
I went into panic mode when I took him to the hospital for IV fluids and  
they had to keep him.  We had been doing sub-q's and I should have  continued 
them as he wasn't that bad off until some things went wrong while he  was 
there..Since it was over Christmas and no regular vet tech was there only  a 
kennel 
tech...who could administer meds but I don't think very well...as one  time she 
was going to give Bandy a shot and said what and how much..and I told  her 
that was too much...she really didn't seem to know...then a few other  things 
happened..It is a long story and much different situation than yours..I  know 
something went wrongvery wrong from the time I saw him on Christmas  eve 
11am until I went back again at 1pm..And I will always believe it is  something 
she did cause there was too much of a drastic change in him and his  condition 
wasn't that bad at 11am..He was sitting up purring and talking to me  and 
eating for me...
I'm sorry to go on about this, but I have been having  nightmares about it 
ever since..So I just want you to make sure to not panic  and do what you can 
for her with your knowledge and things at home where she  will feel more 
comfortable and all..I think you know what I mean.
You will know if she needs to go for more help at the vet..
I have already been through a couple of ordeals with Inky without rushing  
off to the vet..just using what I have here at home..
I still believe some dex would do her wonders...as it always did for  Bandy 
with those dreaded fevers...and you know we battled them for months and  
months..Infection or not..I have seen it do wonders..
I'll keep checking back on your guys,
Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky



 

Re: Lucy-- what to do?

[Kerry Roach]

Hi Michelle,
  Do you have any a/d?  Appetite stimulants?
  I went into panic mode when I took him to the hospital for IV fluids and they 
had to keep him.  We had been doing sub-q's and I should have continued them as 
he wasn't that bad off until some things went wrong while he was there..Since 
it was over Christmas and no regular vet tech was there only a kennel 
tech...who could administer meds but I don't think very well...as one time she 
was going to give Bandy a shot and said what and how much..and I told her that 
was too much...she really didn't seem to know...then a few other things 
happened..It is a long story and much different situation than yours..I know 
something went wrongvery wrong from the time I saw him on Christmas eve 
11am until I went back again at 1pm..And I will always believe it is something 
she did cause there was too much of a drastic change in him and his condition 
wasn't that bad at 11am..He was sitting up purring and talking to me and eating 
for me...
I'm sorry to go on about this, but I have been having nightmares about it ever 
since..So I just want you to make sure to not panic and do what you can for her 
with your knowledge and things at home where she will feel more comfortable and 
all..I think you know what I mean.
  You will know if she needs to go for more help at the vet..
  I have already been through a couple of ordeals with Inky without rushing off 
to the vet..just using what I have here at home..
  I still believe some dex would do her wonders...as it always did for Bandy 
with those dreaded fevers...and you know we battled them for months and 
months..Infection or not..I have seen it do wonders..
  I'll keep checking back on your guys,
  Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

 
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Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[Lernermichelle]

 
Craig Clifford.
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over  at Redbank?  Hope it's 
not the one I'm using as he has been very  patient with me.  
 
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and  prayers,
Renee



 

RE: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

(This email from Michelle didn't reach me directly.) Just want to say
shame on this oncologist. He should be understanding of your fears and
concerns and respect the fact you have worked hard to be so
knowledgeable about your beloved pets. You wouldn't even be talking to
him if you didn't love your Lucy so dearly. Don't let him get to you.
Lucy's welfare is the most important thing.
hugs, Kerry M. 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??


Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank?  Hope
it's not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me.  
 
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers,
Renee
 
 
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Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some

from you??  If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I
kind  of 
doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around.

her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to
tell. 
Those spots are still somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed gums,
as 
those spots are right over the canines.  Her paw pads are still pink,
though 
not as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though. But the vet
said 
you can't always tell from gums and paw pads.  i asked the oncologist
if they 
checked her reticulite count to see if she is regenerative or not, and
he 
said that they did not and there was no point until they know if she has
cancer, 
because if she does have lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo
(but he 
does not think it's cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is

not???). He is getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and
questions and  
acts very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a
client 
having  knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is
more willing 
to  work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the specialists
because 
he  feels they know more than he does<<
 
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RE: Lucy--what to do?

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Michelle, I'll be offline till Sunday and just want you to know that
though I can't offer any advice I'll be continuing to think of and pray
for Lucy. Love and comfort go a huge way in helping fight off illness,
and, God knows, Lucy couldn't be more loved or comforted than she is by
you. We all know she's also a little trooper, and if anyone can bounce
back, she can. Fervently hoping that the vet calls you with a diagnosis
and plan of action asap tomorrow. hugs to you both, Kerry M.  
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No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting
it, last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back.  She
has gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting any fever at all
from it. And now she gets fevers on and off all day whether or not it is
a day she gets I-R. So I really don't think it is the I-R. Unless
something about giving it to her sub-q really messed her up, but no one
else has seen that. I don't think I am going to keep giving it to her.
She is on VO now, and I am hoping to try something else like acemannan
if I can get it. But I think she has had a run on I-R and it is not
doing the trick. Her fevers may be a reaction to cancer or something
else systemic that does not respond to I-R. Or maybe she needs a higher
dose of I-R, I don't know.
Michelle
 
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Michelle,
Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes?  Am I
thinking of something else?  Could her fluctuating fever be a reaction
to the IR??
Nina
 
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Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[BoardMailbox]

Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over  at Redbank?  Hope it's 
not the one I'm using as he has been very  patient with me.  
 
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers,
Renee
 
 
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Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan--  can I please buy some  
from you??  If we use it, I don't think we  can wait until February. I kind  
of 
doubt Lucy will last that long  without something to turn her around.

her gums are mostly gray, with only  a few pink spots, so it is hard to  
tell. 
Those spots are still  somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed gums,  as 
those spots are  right over the canines.  Her paw pads are still pink,  
though 
not  as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though. But the vet  said 
 
you can't always tell from gums and paw pads.  i asked the  oncologist  if 
they 
checked her reticulite count to see if she is  regenerative or not, and  he 
said that they did not and there was no  point until they know if she has  
cancer, 
because if she does have  lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo  (but 
he 
does not think  it's cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is  
not???). He  is getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and questions 
and   
acts very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a client  
having  knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is  more 
willing 
to  work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the  specialists 
because 
he  feels they know more than he does<< 

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Cindy-- what dose IR?

[Lernermichelle]

Cindy, what dose IV I-R did you give smoky? The vet in Ohio gives a whole  ml 
at a time, which is what I gave to Patches when she had pneumonia and to  
Ginger. It helped them a lot, but Ginger had a very high fever spike right  
afterwards. The company recommends .25 ml, which is what I gave Lucy each time. 
 
Did you use more than that for Smoky? And on what schedule? Did he have any  
symptoms other than fever?
 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting  it, 
last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back.  She has  
gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting any fever at all from it. And  
now 
she gets fevers on and off all day whether or not it is a day she gets I-R.  
So I really don't think it is the I-R. Unless something about giving it to her 
 sub-q really messed her up, but no one else has seen that. I don't think I 
am  going to keep giving it to her. She is on VO now, and I am hoping to try  
something else like acemannan if I can get it. But I think she has had a run on 
 I-R and it is not doing the trick. Her fevers may be a reaction to cancer or 
 something else systemic that does not respond to I-R. Or maybe she needs a  
higher dose of I-R, I don't know.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 4:41:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle,
Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever  spikes?  Am I thinking of 
something else?  Could her fluctuating  fever be a reaction to the IR??
Nina


 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Nina]

Michelle,
Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes?  Am I thinking of 
something else?  Could her fluctuating fever be a reaction to the IR??

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
She's on I-R.  I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I 
thought was helping, but then she spiked a fever anyway. So I brought 
her in to the local vet on Wed and got her .25 ml IV.  Her fever 
spiked highest later that night. If I kept her on it she would not be 
due for another shot until tomorrow.

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
She's on I-R.  I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I  thought was 
helping, but then she spiked a fever anyway. So I brought her in to  the 
local vet on Wed and got her .25 ml IV.  Her fever spiked highest later  that 
night. If I kept her on it she would not be due for another shot until  
tomorrow.  
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 4:26:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle, Do you think that immuno-regulin might help
her  fevers?  I don't know anything about what sweet
Lucy is going through  but I know with my Smokey when
he was running a fever he wouldn't  eat.  I do know
that I was having a terrible time with him  getting
fevers and the immuno-regulin seemed to have helped. 
I know  with all of her other symptoms it may not be
something she needs to be  given but it was just a
thought.  I will be praying that your sweet  Lucy
starts feeling better and you get some answers as to
what is going  on with her.

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[cindy reasoner]

Michelle, Do you think that immuno-regulin might help
her fevers?  I don't know anything about what sweet
Lucy is going through but I know with my Smokey when
he was running a fever he wouldn't eat.  I do know
that I was having a terrible time with him getting
fevers and the immuno-regulin seemed to have helped. 
I know with all of her other symptoms it may not be
something she needs to be given but it was just a
thought.  I will be praying that your sweet Lucy
starts feeling better and you get some answers as to
what is going on with her.

Cindy Reasoner
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an
> hour ago. She seemed  
> feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids.
> She then ate a small handful  of 
> dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there now.
> She is not grooming. She is 
>  definitely worse day by day.  That said, she looked
> terrible last night but  
> when I got up to check on her at 4 am she had gone
> downstairs to use the  
> litterbox and then trotted over to a plastic bag and
> sat on it, I pet her a  
> while, and then she trotted upstairs back to her
> box. I went back to sleep and  at 
> 8 am she looked awful again.  I think her fever
> comes and goes. I have  
> stopped temping her. When she is warm I give her
> fluids (not more than 150  ml/day) 
> and put ice on her, and so far she eventually cools
> down. I was going to  
> syringe feed her raw food, but then she ate a
> handful (15 pieces?) of dry food  
> so I held off.  I convinced my local vet to order
> feline interferon, and  now I 
> am working on getting him to agree to acemannan.  He
> was skeptical  about the 
> feline interferon, and seems to think Lucy's case is
> hopeless and I am  
> grasping at straws and wasting money. But he is nice
> to me, and so far has  
> ultimately agreed to do as I ask.  The acemannan
> request may put an end to  that.
>  
> Michelle
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:04:07 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Dearest  Michelle,
> As I wrote before, I just went through this same
> push/pull  anxiety with 
> Spencer.  It's enough to give you a nervous
> breakdown.   I'm feeling your pain 
> right through the computer.  I know Lucy is in bad 
> shape, but it does sound like 
> she's at least comfortable for the most  part.  When
> you talk about worsening 
> symptoms, are you referring to her  not eating?  
> Today is the first time she 
> hasn't eaten on her own,  is that right?  Stress
> will put her off her food, 
> perhaps she's just  regaining her strength.  The
> thought of her enjoying a sun 
> bath is  encouraging.  She may be strong enough to
> wait for the experts to 
> decide  a treatment protocol.  
> 
> I wish I had the answers for you  Michelle.  I'm
> afraid that no matter how 
> much support we have from  others, it always comes
> down to our call when dealing 
> with so this sort of  quandary.  All I can tell you
> is that after I calmed my 
> spirit and  communed with Spencer, (my last
> experience with what you are 
> going through), I  felt a little more at peace with
> the circumstances.  
> Unfortunately,  Spencer did not have a long time
> left to share with me.  I never gave up 
>  hope, but I did find a semblance of acceptance and
> peace.  The benefit  was 
> that the time we did share was full of unconditional
> love, and I don't  know 
> how else to put it, full of quality.  It didn't keep
> him with me in  the 
> physical, but it allowed us to bond in an
> extraordinary way.  It was  an incredible 
> gift that we shared, at a very costly price.  I'll
> always  be grateful to him 
> for the lessons learned during that heartrending 
> time.
> 
> I have no idea what I would do in your place. 
> Missing the  pieces of the 
> puzzle make it so very difficult to make these sorts
> of  decisions with 
> conviction.  I would never take the advice of anyone
> over  what my own gut was telling 
> me though.  The specialists may be well  meaning,
> they may even be 
> sympathetic, but to them Lucy is a medical case, to 
> you she is your heart.  The way I 
> see it is we are responsible for  interpreting the
> wishes of our fur children 
> and making sure that our decisions  are based on
> love and not fear.  You are the 
> one that has to live with  the consequences, no
> matter what those 
> consequences may be.  Clear your  head.  Sit quietly
> with her, your next move will come 
> to you.
> All my  love,
> Nina
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



 

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RE: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Michelle - don't let BP issue stop using epogen though in the future -
you just need to watch it - if BP goes over 170 or something, you can
give norvasc to control BP so that she won't become blind - you can do
certain things to prevent it -

 

If you haven't please read this link - it's mainly for CRF kitties -
abut it has a great information regarding anemia..

http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm

 

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

 

Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some
from you??  If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I
kind of doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her
around.

 

her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to
tell. Those spots are still somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed
gums, as those spots are right over the canines.  Her paw pads are still
pink, though not as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though.
But the vet said you can't always tell from gums and paw pads.  i asked
the oncologist if they checked her reticulite count to see if she is
regenerative or not, and he said that they did not and there was no
point until they know if she has cancer, because if she does have
lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo (but he does not think it's
cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is not???). He is
getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and questions and acts
very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a client
having knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is more
willing to work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the
specialists because he feels they know more than he does. Since Lucy
does seem to have a heart murmer now and enlarged heart (which they said
could be from the anemia) the point about epogen raising blood pressure
does scare me some, and makes me want to try it under a vet's watch if
possible.  I have been noticing that I can see her pulse on her neck,
though it might just be because she is shaved.  When her fever was
really high her irises in her eyes were also pulsating a bit, which
Phaerwyn found could be from a heart problem.  So given these things, I
am a little more scared about epogen now knowing about the blood
pressure issue.  Of course, if her HCT keeps going down that will kill
her, and epogen doesn't work right away so should be started as soon as
possible, which leaves me in a quandary. 

 

She ate a few more pieces of dry EVO. As long as she is eating a little
bit of dry I am loathe to syringe her.  I did syringe her 3 cc's of raw
food this morning, probably another cc of it with her lysine pill, she
ate a capful of baby food, and at this point probably 20 or 30 pieces of
dry EVO. About 10 minutes ago I pet her and, for the first time in 2
days, she stood up to be pet and started rubbing her face on a bag of
catnip on her box. I gave her some catnip and she ate it and then rubbed
her face in it, and then curled up and went to sleep. I think she feels
better when her fever comes down for a while, and that is when she eats
a little and wants to be pet more. For the last few days she got
feverish only in the afternoon to night; now it seems on and off all
day.

 

Michelle

 

In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:28:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Acemmanan might be back ordered - I order for my dog, JoJo a
month ago and it's not available until February-if anyone has in their
hand, please let Michelle know --  - do you think he will prescribe
epogen?Please keep an eye on her gum as if her PCV goes now, you
might want to really pay attention to that.

 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

She just ate a bunch of little pieces of turkey deli slice, then ate a few  
more pieces of dry EVO.  Her nose was stuffy and now is runny (am using  vicks 
vaporizer and neosenephrine) so that may have made the difference. I think  
that she does have a URI on top of whatever else she has, and I had stopped the 
 
amoxi because the oncologist said no point (stupid) so I think her cold got  
worse again. I restarted amoxi and lysine this morning when I realized she was 
 stuffy again. patches has a uri too (clavamox seems to be kicking it, knock 
on  wood) so I think that, being immune suppressed and having something else  
long-term going on, she got a URI on top.
 
Michelle

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
they don't have a sample anymore. I asked them to run the reticulites from  
any blood they have, this morning, and they said they don't have any. 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 3:19:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Can you have the run  the blood type with the existing sample – so that you 
know what it is – I did  that with Ayumi just in case she needed  transfusions.


 

RE: Lucy--what to do?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Can you have the run the blood type with the existing sample - so that
you know what it is - I did that with Ayumi just in case she needed
transfusions.

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?

 

Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only
transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below.  I think part of the
reason is the potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an
allergic reaction) and part of the reason is a general shortage of cat
blood so they wait until it is really critical.  Simon had 3
transfusions before his chemo kicked in and brought his HCT back up, but
each time they would not do it until he was 13 or below.

 

Michelle

 

In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:47:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Perhaps I have missed something. Have they transfused her,
Severe anemia makes the very weak and not eat. When my dog had
autoimmune mediated anemia her refusal to eat was the first indication,
Epogen is possible depending upon the type of anemia, but to me
getting the immediate improvement in crit is basic, then the rest can
follow, Maybe I am behind but transufing is not very invasive and gives
immediate relief and buys time,
Kelly

 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
What is it that you think you did in panic and regret? Knowing this may  help 
me with the decisions I am making.
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:51:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi Michelle,
I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will  
tell you...Spend time with her and try not to panic...I will always regret  
what 
I did with Bandy because I did panic..
So take a deep breath and it will come to you..
Kerry



 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only  
transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below.  I think part of the reason  is 
the 
potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an allergic  reaction) 
and part of the reason is a general shortage of cat blood so they wait  until 
it 
is really critical.  Simon had 3 transfusions before his chemo  kicked in and 
brought his HCT back up, but each time they would not do it until  he was 13 
or below.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:47:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Perhaps  I have missed something. Have they transfused her,  Severe anemia 
makes  the very weak and not eat. When my dog had autoimmune mediated anemia 
her 
 refusal to eat was the first indication,
Epogen is possible depending upon  the type of anemia, but to me getting the 
immediate improvement in crit is  basic, then the rest can follow, Maybe I am 
behind but transufing is not very  invasive and gives immediate relief and 
buys  time,
Kelly

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Kerry Roach]

Hi Michelle,
  I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will tell 
you...Spend time with her and try not to panic...I will always regret what I 
did with Bandy because I did panic..
  So take a deep breath and it will come to you..
  Kerry

 
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Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Kelly L]

At 11:36 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote:

Perhaps I have missed something. Have they transfused her,  Severe 
anemia makes the very weak and not eat. When my dog had autoimmune 
mediated anemia her refusal to eat was the first indication,
Epogen is possible depending upon the type of anemia, but to me 
getting the immediate improvement in crit is basic, then the rest can 
follow, Maybe I am behind but transufing is not very invasive and 
gives immediate relief and buys time,

Kelly



I don't know if she is comfortable. When she is feverish, she 
definitely isn't. At other times it is hard to tell if she is just 
weak or also nauseous or painful somewhere. The oncologist said he 
does not think she has any pain. Maybe it is just fatigue from the 
anemia and the fevers. She is not very interested in food. She would 
not eat all morning and at this point has eaten probably less than a 
meal's worth of EVO dry. I tried liver shake and even fancy feast, 
knowing the fancy feast could wreck her intestines due to her IBD. 
But she did not want them at all. The EVO tends to bother her 
intestines too, but it is all she will eat on her own and I hate to 
syringe her if I can get her to eat something. I may ask Gray to go 
get some turkey deli slices.  Anyway, I would not say she is super 
comfortable. But maybe she is just weak and has no appetite. I have 
to say, I don't have any appetite at this point either.

Michelle

In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:35:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

it sounds like Lucy is comfortable


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Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
I don't know if she is comfortable. When she is feverish, she definitely  
isn't. At other times it is hard to tell if she is just weak or also nauseous 
or  
painful somewhere. The oncologist said he does not think she has any pain. 
Maybe  it is just fatigue from the anemia and the fevers. She is not very 
interested in  food. She would not eat all morning and at this point has eaten 
probably less  than a meal's worth of EVO dry. I tried liver shake and even 
fancy 
feast,  knowing the fancy feast could wreck her intestines due to her IBD. But 
she did  not want them at all. The EVO tends to bother her intestines too, but 
it is all  she will eat on her own and I hate to syringe her if I can get her 
to eat  something. I may ask Gray to go get some turkey deli slices.  Anyway, 
I  would not say she is super comfortable. But maybe she is just weak and has 
no  appetite. I have to say, I don't have any appetite at this point either.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:35:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

it  sounds like Lucy is comfortable 


 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Kerry Roach]

Michelle,
  This is a tough one for sure..What tests are they waiting results for?  
  Bandy received epogen for 6 wks, and his anemia was non-regenerative...but 
you know what it worked..We did this before we ever saw the internal med 
specialist..his pcv went up rather fast considering things, too...it was around 
20 and went to over 30 in less than 2 wks.. We stopped it after we saw the 
specialist as it had started back down again only to go up again on its own..So 
I am going to talk to his specialist and run all this by her to she what she 
has to say about how he responded to things we did until his passing..His 
ultimate fate was to be uncontrolable anemia and you know what...that wasn't 
what happened..
  She did tell me that he could have developed antibodies to the epogen, but he 
didn't ..I think I remember them saying that could be stopped when you stop the 
epogen..Did they do a bone marrow aspirate to see what type of anemia she 
has..??  I think it is a retic count, too. This will tell about the type of 
anemia..
  I don't know really whether you should start the epogen or not..
  I don't think the FOI would hurt though..
  Guess you have tried all types of food, too..I am still just trying to figure 
out anything that might help her..
  Keep us posted and you are in our prayers,
  Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

 
-
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Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[Lernermichelle]

 
Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some  
from you??  If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind  of 
doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around.
 
her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to  tell. 
Those spots are still somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed gums,  as 
those spots are right over the canines.  Her paw pads are still pink,  though 
not as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though. But the vet  said 
you can't always tell from gums and paw pads.  i asked the oncologist  if they 
checked her reticulite count to see if she is regenerative or not, and  he 
said that they did not and there was no point until they know if she has  
cancer, 
because if she does have lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo  (but he 
does not think it's cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is  
not???). He is getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and questions 
and  
acts very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a client 
having  knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is more 
willing 
to  work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the specialists because 
he  feels they know more than he does. Since Lucy does seem to have a heart 
murmer  now and enlarged heart (which they said could be from the anemia) the 
point  about epogen raising blood pressure does scare me some, and makes me 
want to try  it under a vet's watch if possible.  I have been noticing that I 
can 
see  her pulse on her neck, though it might just be because she is shaved.  
When  her fever was really high her irises in her eyes were also pulsating a 
bit,  which Phaerwyn found could be from a heart problem.  So given these 
things,  I am a little more scared about epogen now knowing about the blood 
pressure 
 issue.  Of course, if her HCT keeps going down that will kill her, and  
epogen doesn't work right away so should be started as soon as possible, which  
leaves me in a quandary. 
 
She ate a few more pieces of dry EVO. As long as she is eating a little bit  
of dry I am loathe to syringe her.  I did syringe her 3 cc's of raw food  this 
morning, probably another cc of it with her lysine pill, she ate a capful  of 
baby food, and at this point probably 20 or 30 pieces of dry EVO. About 10  
minutes ago I pet her and, for the first time in 2 days, she stood up to be pet 
 and started rubbing her face on a bag of catnip on her box. I gave her some  
catnip and she ate it and then rubbed her face in it, and then curled up and  
went to sleep. I think she feels better when her fever comes down for a 
while,  and that is when she eats a little and wants to be pet more. For the 
last 
few  days she got feverish only in the afternoon to night; now it seems on and 
off  all day.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:28:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Acemmanan might be  back ordered – I order for my dog, JoJo a month ago and it
’s not available  until February—if anyone has in their hand, please let 
Michelle know --   - do you think he will prescribe epogen?Please keep an 
eye 
 on her gum as if her PCV goes now, you might want to really pay attention to 
 that.


 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Kelly L]

At 10:17 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote:


There is no way I could improve on what Nina has said to you. It was 
beautifully written and expresses what each of us feel in our hearts 
all too often, I do look back and question my own decisions to at 
times, make those extraordinary efforts to keep my beloved fur kids 
with me, and I do question my own motives, Sometimes the only thing 
that helps me find peace is that our babies have no fear of death. 
They do not know it,,They fear pain, but you it sounds like Lucy is 
comfortable and knows she is surrounded by love,
I wish sometimes that I had the spiritual belief that so many here 
do, but I do not, The one thing I do know, at least in my own heat is 
that we are all part of the same force, and that the end of this 
physical separateness is just one stage. The energy and bond you 
share with Lucy is forever, This will make it hurt less or the 
decisions easier but you are lucky to have each other.

All my hopes for Lucy is good quality bonus time,
I have not used acemannan, but I do use I.R. and interferon. I am 
glad your vet is assisting you and you should have the FOI very soon,
All my very best wishes and good thoughts for you both. When you feel 
up to it , please share some pictures of Lucy,,you can private email 
me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is so nice to send that positive energy 
to a beautiful little face,

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com

Kelly


Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She 
seemed feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids. She then 
ate a small handful of dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there 
now. She is not grooming. She is definitely worse day by day.  That 
said, she looked terrible last night but when I got up to check on 
her at 4 am she had gone downstairs to use the litterbox and then 
trotted over to a plastic bag and sat on it, I pet her a while, and 
then she trotted upstairs back to her box. I went back to sleep and 
at 8 am she looked awful again.  I think her fever comes and goes. I 
have stopped temping her. When she is warm I give her fluids (not 
more than 150 ml/day) and put ice on her, and so far she eventually 
cools down. I was going to syringe feed her raw food, but then she 
ate a handful (15 pieces?) of dry food so I held off.  I convinced 
my local vet to order feline interferon, and now I am working on 
getting him to agree to acemannan.  He was skeptical about the 
feline interferon, and seems to think Lucy's case is hopeless and I 
am grasping at straws and wasting money. But he is nice to me, and 
so far has ultimately agreed to do as I ask.  The acemannan request 
may put an end to that.


Michelle


In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:04:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dearest Michelle,
As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety 
with Spencer.  It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown.  I'm 
feeling your pain right through the computer.  I know Lucy is in bad 
shape, but it does sound like she's at least comfortable for the 
most part.  When you talk about worsening symptoms, are you 
referring to her not eating?   Today is the first time she hasn't 
eaten on her own, is that right?  Stress will put her off her food, 
perhaps she's just regaining her strength.  The thought of her 
enjoying a sun bath is encouraging.  She may be strong enough to 
wait for the experts to decide a treatment protocol.


I wish I had the answers for you Michelle.  I'm afraid that no 
matter how much support we have from others, it always comes down to 
our call when dealing with so this sort of quandary.  All I can tell 
you is that after I calmed my spirit and communed with Spencer, (my 
last experience with what you are going through), I felt a little 
more at peace with the circumstances.  Unfortunately, Spencer did 
not have a long time left to share with me.  I never gave up hope, 
but I did find a semblance of acceptance and peace.  The benefit was 
that the time we did share was full of unconditional love, and I 
don't know how else to put it, full of quality.  It didn't keep him 
with me in the physical, but it allowed us to bond in an 
extraordinary way.  It was an incredible gift that we shared, at a 
very costly price.  I'll always be grateful to him for the lessons 
learned during that heartrending time.


I have no idea what I would do in your place.  Missing the pieces of 
the puzzle make it so very difficult to make these sorts of 
decisions with conviction.  I would never take the advice of anyone 
over what my own gut was telling me though.  The specialists may be 
well meaning, they may even be sympathetic, but to them Lucy is a 
medical case, to you she is your heart.  The way I see it is we are 
responsible for interpreting the wishes of our fur children and 
making sure that our decisions are based on love and not fear.  You 
are the one that has to live with the consequences, no matter what 
those consequences may be. 

RE: Lucy--what to do?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

No problem - were you using epogen on Valley to treat anemia due to non
CRF?

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?

 

Blood pressure increasing from very low sure may have been behind
feeling better.   I need to learn more about the side effects before I
consider using it again.   Our rescue group's vet tech recommended it
for a couple of cats in the past but Valley was the first of my own I
used it on. Thanks!

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I don't think you imagined it at all - you know your baby, Valley more
than anything else probably, and I am sure that she was feeling better -
but not sure if it was the epogen that caused - and it's possible - if
your kitty's BP is very low, and epogen will very quickly increase BP
and it might be related to that??

 

I just did not want Michelle to expect to see the immediate response
from epogen, as she may be discourage if it did not, but wanted her to
know it's okay if she did not see any immediate response, but rather
wanted her to warn about high BP causing blindness --:-)  

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?

 

Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I
thought my Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that
isn't physiologically possible -- do you think I just imagined it?   

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate
response - for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an
effect - and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as
it will increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could
cause seizures - the both of these things happened to my baby Hannibal
whom I was treating his anemia due to CRF - but when anemia happens due
to CRF, you really don't have much choice but to use epogen as otherwise
you would lose a cat from anemia..  my Ayumi is on epogen.. it does not
make her feel better directly, but her PCV is slowly going up because of
it.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?

 

He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?

 

In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Wow Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there
is no reason not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know
anything about the kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times
I have used the cat has seemed to feel better.   Will be interested in
seeing what the really experienced folks suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers
for you and Lucy.

 

 

 

 

RE: Lucy--what to do?

[Susan Loesch]

Blood pressure increasing from very low sure may have been behind feeling 
better.   I need to learn more about the side effects before I consider using 
it again.   Our rescue group's vet tech recommended it for a couple of cats in 
the past but Valley was the first of my own I used it on. Thanks!

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:v\:* 
{behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* 
{behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} 
   I don’t think you imagined it at all – you know your baby, Valley more than 
anything else probably, and I am sure that she was feeling better – but not 
sure if it was the epogen that caused – and it’s possible – if your kitty’s BP 
is very low, and epogen will very quickly increase BP and it might be related 
to that??
   
  I just did not want Michelle to expect to see the immediate response from 
epogen, as she may be discourage if it did not, but wanted her to know it’s 
okay if she did not see any immediate response, but rather wanted her to warn 
about high BP causing blindness --J  
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?

   
  Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought 
my Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that isn't 
physiologically possible -- do you think I just imagined it?   

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate 
response – for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an effect 
– and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as it will 
increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could cause seizures – 
the both of these things happened to my baby Hannibal whom I was treating his 
anemia due to CRF – but when anemia happens due to CRF, you really don’t have 
much choice but to use epogen as otherwise you would lose a cat from anemia..  
my Ayumi is on epogen.. it does not make her feel better directly, but her PCV 
is slowly going up because of it.

 

  
-
  
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?


 

He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?


   


  In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:


  Wow Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there is no 
reason not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know anything about the 
kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has 
seemed to feel better.   Will be interested in seeing what the really 
experienced folks suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers for you and Lucy.


   


 

   

RE: Lucy--what to do?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Acemmanan might be back ordered - I order for my dog, JoJo a month ago
and it's not available until February-if anyone has in their hand,
please let Michelle know --  - do you think he will prescribe epogen?
Please keep an eye on her gum as if her PCV goes now, you might want to
really pay attention to that.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?

 

Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed
feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids. She then ate a small
handful of dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there now. She is not
grooming. She is definitely worse day by day.  That said, she looked
terrible last night but when I got up to check on her at 4 am she had
gone downstairs to use the litterbox and then trotted over to a plastic
bag and sat on it, I pet her a while, and then she trotted upstairs back
to her box. I went back to sleep and at 8 am she looked awful again.  I
think her fever comes and goes. I have stopped temping her. When she is
warm I give her fluids (not more than 150 ml/day) and put ice on her,
and so far she eventually cools down. I was going to syringe feed her
raw food, but then she ate a handful (15 pieces?) of dry food so I held
off.  I convinced my local vet to order feline interferon, and now I am
working on getting him to agree to acemannan.  He was skeptical about
the feline interferon, and seems to think Lucy's case is hopeless and I
am grasping at straws and wasting money. But he is nice to me, and so
far has ultimately agreed to do as I ask.  The acemannan request may put
an end to that.

 

Michelle

 

 

In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:04:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dearest Michelle,
As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull
anxiety with Spencer.  It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown.  I'm
feeling your pain right through the computer.  I know Lucy is in bad
shape, but it does sound like she's at least comfortable for the most
part.  When you talk about worsening symptoms, are you referring to her
not eating?   Today is the first time she hasn't eaten on her own, is
that right?  Stress will put her off her food, perhaps she's just
regaining her strength.  The thought of her enjoying a sun bath is
encouraging.  She may be strong enough to wait for the experts to decide
a treatment protocol.  

I wish I had the answers for you Michelle.  I'm afraid that no
matter how much support we have from others, it always comes down to our
call when dealing with so this sort of quandary.  All I can tell you is
that after I calmed my spirit and communed with Spencer, (my last
experience with what you are going through), I felt a little more at
peace with the circumstances.  Unfortunately, Spencer did not have a
long time left to share with me.  I never gave up hope, but I did find a
semblance of acceptance and peace.  The benefit was that the time we did
share was full of unconditional love, and I don't know how else to put
it, full of quality.  It didn't keep him with me in the physical, but it
allowed us to bond in an extraordinary way.  It was an incredible gift
that we shared, at a very costly price.  I'll always be grateful to him
for the lessons learned during that heartrending time.

I have no idea what I would do in your place.  Missing the
pieces of the puzzle make it so very difficult to make these sorts of
decisions with conviction.  I would never take the advice of anyone over
what my own gut was telling me though.  The specialists may be well
meaning, they may even be sympathetic, but to them Lucy is a medical
case, to you she is your heart.  The way I see it is we are responsible
for interpreting the wishes of our fur children and making sure that our
decisions are based on love and not fear.  You are the one that has to
live with the consequences, no matter what those consequences may be.
Clear your head.  Sit quietly with her, your next move will come to you.
All my love,
Nina

 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed  
feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids. She then ate a small handful 
 of 
dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there now. She is not grooming. She is 
 definitely worse day by day.  That said, she looked terrible last night but  
when I got up to check on her at 4 am she had gone downstairs to use the  
litterbox and then trotted over to a plastic bag and sat on it, I pet her a  
while, and then she trotted upstairs back to her box. I went back to sleep and  
at 
8 am she looked awful again.  I think her fever comes and goes. I have  
stopped temping her. When she is warm I give her fluids (not more than 150  
ml/day) 
and put ice on her, and so far she eventually cools down. I was going to  
syringe feed her raw food, but then she ate a handful (15 pieces?) of dry food  
so I held off.  I convinced my local vet to order feline interferon, and  now I 
am working on getting him to agree to acemannan.  He was skeptical  about the 
feline interferon, and seems to think Lucy's case is hopeless and I am  
grasping at straws and wasting money. But he is nice to me, and so far has  
ultimately agreed to do as I ask.  The acemannan request may put an end to  
that.
 
Michelle
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:04:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dearest  Michelle,
As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull  anxiety with 
Spencer.  It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown.   I'm feeling your pain 
right through the computer.  I know Lucy is in bad  shape, but it does sound 
like 
she's at least comfortable for the most  part.  When you talk about worsening 
symptoms, are you referring to her  not eating?   Today is the first time she 
hasn't eaten on her own,  is that right?  Stress will put her off her food, 
perhaps she's just  regaining her strength.  The thought of her enjoying a sun 
bath is  encouraging.  She may be strong enough to wait for the experts to 
decide  a treatment protocol.  

I wish I had the answers for you  Michelle.  I'm afraid that no matter how 
much support we have from  others, it always comes down to our call when 
dealing 
with so this sort of  quandary.  All I can tell you is that after I calmed my 
spirit and  communed with Spencer, (my last experience with what you are 
going through), I  felt a little more at peace with the circumstances.  
Unfortunately,  Spencer did not have a long time left to share with me.  I 
never gave up 
 hope, but I did find a semblance of acceptance and peace.  The benefit  was 
that the time we did share was full of unconditional love, and I don't  know 
how else to put it, full of quality.  It didn't keep him with me in  the 
physical, but it allowed us to bond in an extraordinary way.  It was  an 
incredible 
gift that we shared, at a very costly price.  I'll always  be grateful to him 
for the lessons learned during that heartrending  time.

I have no idea what I would do in your place.  Missing the  pieces of the 
puzzle make it so very difficult to make these sorts of  decisions with 
conviction.  I would never take the advice of anyone over  what my own gut was 
telling 
me though.  The specialists may be well  meaning, they may even be 
sympathetic, but to them Lucy is a medical case, to  you she is your heart.  
The way I 
see it is we are responsible for  interpreting the wishes of our fur children 
and making sure that our decisions  are based on love and not fear.  You are 
the 
one that has to live with  the consequences, no matter what those 
consequences may be.  Clear your  head.  Sit quietly with her, your next move 
will come 
to you.
All my  love,
Nina

RE: Lucy--what to do?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I don't think you imagined it at all - you know your baby, Valley more
than anything else probably, and I am sure that she was feeling better -
but not sure if it was the epogen that caused - and it's possible - if
your kitty's BP is very low, and epogen will very quickly increase BP
and it might be related to that??

 

I just did not want Michelle to expect to see the immediate response
from epogen, as she may be discourage if it did not, but wanted her to
know it's okay if she did not see any immediate response, but rather
wanted her to warn about high BP causing blindness --:-)  

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?

 

Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I
thought my Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that
isn't physiologically possible -- do you think I just imagined it?   

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate
response - for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an
effect - and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as
it will increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could
cause seizures - the both of these things happened to my baby Hannibal
whom I was treating his anemia due to CRF - but when anemia happens due
to CRF, you really don't have much choice but to use epogen as otherwise
you would lose a cat from anemia..  my Ayumi is on epogen.. it does not
make her feel better directly, but her PCV is slowly going up because of
it.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?

 

He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?

 

In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Wow Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there
is no reason not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know
anything about the kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times
I have used the cat has seemed to feel better.   Will be interested in
seeing what the really experienced folks suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers
for you and Lucy.

 

 

 

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Nina]

Dearest Michelle,
As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with 
Spencer.  It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown.  I'm feeling your 
pain right through the computer.  I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it 
does sound like she's at least comfortable for the most part.  When you 
talk about worsening symptoms, are you referring to her not eating?   
Today is the first time she hasn't eaten on her own, is that right?  
Stress will put her off her food, perhaps she's just regaining her 
strength.  The thought of her enjoying a sun bath is encouraging.  She 
may be strong enough to wait for the experts to decide a treatment 
protocol. 

I wish I had the answers for you Michelle.  I'm afraid that no matter 
how much support we have from others, it always comes down to our call 
when dealing with so this sort of quandary.  All I can tell you is that 
after I calmed my spirit and communed with Spencer, (my last experience 
with what you are going through), I felt a little more at peace with the 
circumstances.  Unfortunately, Spencer did not have a long time left to 
share with me.  I never gave up hope, but I did find a semblance of 
acceptance and peace.  The benefit was that the time we did share was 
full of unconditional love, and I don't know how else to put it, full of 
quality.  It didn't keep him with me in the physical, but it allowed us 
to bond in an extraordinary way.  It was an incredible gift that we 
shared, at a very costly price.  I'll always be grateful to him for the 
lessons learned during that heartrending time.


I have no idea what I would do in your place.  Missing the pieces of the 
puzzle make it so very difficult to make these sorts of decisions with 
conviction.  I would never take the advice of anyone over what my own 
gut was telling me though.  The specialists may be well meaning, they 
may even be sympathetic, but to them Lucy is a medical case, to you she 
is your heart.  The way I see it is we are responsible for interpreting 
the wishes of our fur children and making sure that our decisions are 
based on love and not fear.  You are the one that has to live with the 
consequences, no matter what those consequences may be.  Clear your 
head.  Sit quietly with her, your next move will come to you.

All my love,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a return appointment for 
tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until tomorrow, and 
that I will get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and 
internist look at the reports, with a plan.  Meanwhile, this morning 
Lucy is not eating at all.  I syringed her a little food, but am 
concerned at the worsening of symptoms. Her back end seems ok now, but 
she is drinking more.  her fever went down last night with fluids and 
ice packs, but she is warm again-- but can't tell if this is because 
she is lying in the sun (her choice).  She can walk to litter box and 
jump up on 1 foot tall cardboard box without problems. Her pads and 
gums are still a little pink, though light pink.
 
Thanks to Hideyo, I now have feline interferon and epogen.  The 
oncologist is insisting that I not start her on anything until they 
look at all the test results. If she has an infection or heart 
disease, steroids could be harmful. If her blood cells are 
regenerating but then dying, epogen won't help and she could have a 
reaction.  I have not heard back on any particular reason not to start 
the feline interferon. 
 
Do you think I should start her on something, against the advice of 
the oncologist and internist? I generally trust specialists, but it 
seems clear she is going down hill and days are passing. Plus, a 
friend's dog had neurological problems and saw specialists at a big 
hospital in Boston for a week before they tested for lyme disease 
(which I had suggested immediately)-- they had had him on steroids, 
then when finally saw he had lyme put him on heavy doses of 
antibiotics and stopped the steroids, and when he got worse they put 
him back on heavy doses of both and he pulled through. Obviously it 
would have been better if a) they had tested him immediately (they had 
not thought the neuro symptoms matched lyme) and b) absent the test if 
they had just loaded him up with both abx and steroids.  So I am wary 
of specialists waiting for test results that take a while before 
starting treatment when an animal is going downhill.  At the same 
time, I don't want to harm any possible treatment she could ultimately 
get if they figure something out.
 
Do any of you have strong opinions or thoughts on this? 
 
Thanks,

Michelle

RE: Lucy--what to do?

[Susan Loesch]

Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought my 
Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that isn't physiologically 
possible -- do you think I just imagined it?   

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:v\:* 
{behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* 
{behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} 
   I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate 
response – for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an effect 
– and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as it will 
increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could cause seizures – 
the both of these things happened to my baby Hannibal whom I was treating his 
anemia due to CRF – but when anemia happens due to CRF, you really don’t have 
much choice but to use epogen as otherwise you would lose a cat from anemia..  
my Ayumi is on epogen.. it does not make her feel better directly, but her PCV 
is slowly going up because of it.
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?

   
  He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?

 

In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:

Wow Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there is no 
reason not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know anything about the 
kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has 
seemed to feel better.   Will be interested in seeing what the really 
experienced folks suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers for you and Lucy.

 

   

RE: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)??

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Michelle helped me so much when I was going through problem with the
city and that's the lease I could to pay her back --:-)

Even if she does not have FIP, as FOI does work for Felk kitties as well
- I am hoping that she will feel better from it.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)??

 

Hideyo - thank you for sending to her.   Fingers crossed and many
prayers for both Michelle and Lucy.

Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Thanks for letting us know. I sure hope it helps Lucy. I also hope it 
helps Michelle to know that some is coming. I hate being at that point 
where you don't know what to do next. Did Michelle tell you if Lucy's 
temp is down? Blessings to all,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
>
> I just shipped some to Michelle - she is very exhausted right now - so

> I am responding on her behalf.
>




 

RE: Lucy--what to do?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate
response - for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an
effect - and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as
it will increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could
cause seizures - the both of these things happened to my baby Hannibal
whom I was treating his anemia due to CRF - but when anemia happens due
to CRF, you really don't have much choice but to use epogen as otherwise
you would lose a cat from anemia..  my Ayumi is on epogen.. it does not
make her feel better directly, but her PCV is slowly going up because of
it.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?

 

He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?

 

In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Wow Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there
is no reason not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know
anything about the kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times
I have used the cat has seemed to feel better.   Will be interested in
seeing what the really experienced folks suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers
for you and Lucy.

 

 

Re: Emailing: LoanRulesForm

[Gary Murphy]

Hi Sally,
I did have a kitten last summer that had the bottom half
of one ear turn bright red, but there was no thickening
of it.  My vet diagnosed it as similar to a "swimmer's ear"
infection, and gave me an ointment to treat it (Panalog, if
I remember right?)  It helped only very slightly, but she
had many other problems going on and a severely compro-
mised immune system.  Hope Junior is feeling better
soon with his shot.

Best wishes,
Beth

Original Message:
Hi 

Junior went to the vet this morning. Hie was given a shot of depomedrol. The 
vet said it would either make things better or worse. The next option is 
removing the eye. 

The thing with his ears is inflammation. No infection there thank goodness. I 
asked about the interferon, but no luck there.I will wait and see what the 
steriods do for him.

As for the Transfer factor, yes it is supposed to be a immune booster and it is 
expensive, which is why I would like feedback as to effectiveness. I realize 
every case is different. Such as the thing with juniors ears It seems that 
noone here has seen this problem. 

I will get the the bill information too.

thanks

Sally

Re: Emailing: LoanRulesForm

[Sally Davis]

Hi

Junior went to the vet this morning. Hie was given a shot of depomedrol. The
vet said it would either make things better or worse. The next option is
removing the eye.

The thing with his ears is inflammation. No infection there thank goodness.
I asked about the interferon, but no luck there.I will wait and see what the
steriods do for him.

As for the Transfer factor, yes it is supposed to be a immune booster and it
is expensive, which is why I would like feedback as to effectiveness. I
realize every case is different. Such as the thing with juniors ears It
seems that noone here has seen this problem.

I will get the the bill information too.

thanks

Sally


On 1/18/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Sally,
  Haven't ever used transfer factor and haven't heard of plus formula.
I do some people on the feline lymphoma cancer group have used the
transfer factor with good results. I know it's expensive, what were you
hoping it would do, it's an immune booster isn't it?

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Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Susan Loesch]

He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
   
  In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
  Wow Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there is no reason 
not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know anything about the kind of 
reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has seemed to 
feel better.   Will be interested in seeing what the really experienced folks 
suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers for you and Lucy.

  
   

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

 
How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Wow  Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there is no 
reason  not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know anything about the 
 
kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has  
seemed to feel better.   Will be interested in seeing what the  really 
experienced folks suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers for you  and Lucy.

Re: Lucy--what to do?

[Susan Loesch]

Wow Michelle - that is a hard one.  My gut feeling is that there is no reason 
not to start the interferon, for sure.  I don't know anything about the kind of 
reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has seemed to 
feel better.   Will be interested in seeing what the really experienced folks 
suggest.   Good luck.  Prayers for you and Lucy.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a 
return appointment for tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until 
tomorrow, and that I will get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and 
internist look at the reports, with a plan.  Meanwhile, this morning Lucy is 
not eating at all.  I syringed her a little food, but am concerned at the 
worsening of symptoms. Her back end seems ok now, but she is drinking more.  
her fever went down last night with fluids and ice packs, but she is warm 
again-- but can't tell if this is because she is lying in the sun (her choice). 
 She can walk to litter box and jump up on 1 foot tall cardboard box without 
problems. Her pads and gums are still a little pink, though light pink.
   
  Thanks to Hideyo, I now have feline interferon and epogen.  The oncologist is 
insisting that I not start her on anything until they look at all the test 
results. If she has an infection or heart disease, steroids could be harmful. 
If her blood cells are regenerating but then dying, epogen won't help and she 
could have a reaction.  I have not heard back on any particular reason not to 
start the feline interferon.  
   
  Do you think I should start her on something, against the advice of the 
oncologist and internist? I generally trust specialists, but it seems clear she 
is going down hill and days are passing. Plus, a friend's dog had neurological 
problems and saw specialists at a big hospital in Boston for a week before they 
tested for lyme disease (which I had suggested immediately)-- they had had him 
on steroids, then when finally saw he had lyme put him on heavy doses of 
antibiotics and stopped the steroids, and when he got worse they put him back 
on heavy doses of both and he pulled through. Obviously it would have been 
better if a) they had tested him immediately (they had not thought the neuro 
symptoms matched lyme) and b) absent the test if they had just loaded him up 
with both abx and steroids.  So I am wary of specialists waiting for test 
results that take a while before starting treatment when an animal is going 
downhill.  At the same time, I don't want to harm any possible
 treatment she could ultimately get if they figure something out.
   
  Do any of you have strong opinions or thoughts on this?  
   
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Lucy--what to do?

[Lernermichelle]

Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a return appointment for  
tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until tomorrow, and that I  
will 
get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and internist look at the  
reports, with a plan.  Meanwhile, this morning Lucy is not eating at  all.  I 
syringed her a little food, but am concerned at the worsening of  symptoms. Her 
back end seems ok now, but she is drinking more.  her fever  went down last 
night with fluids and ice packs, but she is warm again-- but  can't tell if 
this 
is because she is lying in the sun (her choice).  She  can walk to litter box 
and jump up on 1 foot tall cardboard box without  problems. Her pads and gums 
are still a little pink, though light pink.
 
Thanks to Hideyo, I now have feline interferon and epogen.  The  oncologist 
is insisting that I not start her on anything until they look at all  the test 
results. If she has an infection or heart disease, steroids could be  harmful. 
If her blood cells are regenerating but then dying, epogen won't help  and 
she could have a reaction.  I have not heard back on any particular  reason not 
to start the feline interferon.  
 
Do you think I should start her on something, against the advice of the  
oncologist and internist? I generally trust specialists, but it seems clear she 
 
is going down hill and days are passing. Plus, a friend's dog had neurological  
problems and saw specialists at a big hospital in Boston for a week before 
they  tested for lyme disease (which I had suggested immediately)-- they had 
had 
him  on steroids, then when finally saw he had lyme put him on heavy doses of 
 antibiotics and stopped the steroids, and when he got worse they put him 
back on  heavy doses of both and he pulled through. Obviously it would have 
been 
better  if a) they had tested him immediately (they had not thought the neuro 
symptoms  matched lyme) and b) absent the test if they had just loaded him up 
with both  abx and steroids.  So I am wary of specialists waiting for test 
results  that take a while before starting treatment when an animal is going  
downhill.  At the same time, I don't want to harm any possible treatment  she 
could ultimately get if they figure something out.
 
Do any of you have strong opinions or thoughts on this?  
 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: OT Louisville Animal Ordiance

[Marylyn]

The ordinance was in response to two pit bull killings and was supposed to 
address dangerous dogs.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gussies mom 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 8:47 AM
  Subject: Re: OT Louisville Animal Ordiance


  This sounds to me like they have a bad overpopulation problem and are trying 
to reduce the number of animals killed because of unwanted breeding. I think it 
is good to have to have a special license if you have an unalterd dog. I also 
don't have a problem with them making people pay for the surgery and 
vaccinating. If you have a show dog, I'm sure it has a collar, tag and 
microchip and is well watched.

  Beth

  Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I received the below from a friend.  The ordinance applies to cats too.  
Please feel free to cross post.

Feel free to cross post these comments from someone who attended the
Mayor's town hall meeting last night...this came across on my Showdog-L
list.

Subject: Notes From L'Ville Mayor's Town Meeting

The included notes were taken at yesterday evening's "town hall" meeting
by
a person who
attended the meeting.  She has signed the notes, and gives permission to
cross-post. After
reading the remarks of the assistant to the Animal Control Officer, I'd
be
even less inclined
to take a dog to Louisville:

**

>I attended the monthly public meeting of Mayor Abramson's tonight in
Louisville. It was announced that it was not a public forum and no
questions and answers were allowed during the formal part of the
meeting.
The monthly meeting obviously had more people attending than usual.
After
noticing the large number of hunters present with orange hats the mayor
asked "What hunting season is it?" and someone shouted back "Dog
hunting!".
Mayor Abramson conceded he had put his foot in his mouth. He also
encouraged the audience to call  502-574-5000 ext. 311 with their
problems
and each call would be brought to his attention. He did not leave any
further opening for audience responses. Forms were available to submit
written "ideas, suggestions, or concerns" AFTER filling out your name,
address and phone number. 
>After the mayor introduced his administration leaders people were
allowed
to get in line and ask questions of individual department heads. Dr.
Meloche, head of animal control, was "out of town"-but adoption rates at
AC
have increased this year according to the mayor. Meloche's  assistant
told
me Dr. Meloche will be at the meeting next month. She also stated, in
response to my questions:
>AC isn't trying to inconvenience responsible dog owners.
>Just because your neighbors report you for annoying dogs doesn't
necessarily mean we are going to cite you. 
>Ex-pens aren't illegal. 
>We don't want to discourage dog shows.
>If you have seven intact dogs all you will have to do is get TWO
retail/dealer licenses from AC at $300 per year to continue to breed
your
dogs and be in compliance with the law.
>We won't kill or alter your showdog if it gets loose at the dog show
and
is microchipped-but the law says we can and we will if we need to.
>We don't intend to kill or alter showdogs- but it could happen.
>If we do alter your showdog you will be subject to costs for surgery,
boarding, and fines up to $250.
>We might alter or kill your showdog because we have a terrible pet
overpopulation problem in our community generated by animals that aren't
altered.
>If your animal is impounded by AC the charge for "redeeming" it is
$25-$100 impoundment fee plus $15-25 per day boarding fee plus $30-$250
fine plus all medical costs of spay/neuter of the animal. Plus the
animal
will be revaccinated at your expense.
>All "strays" are held for five days unless AC is crowded and then your
pet
may be killed the same day it is picked up. 
>All complaints to AC are "anonymous".
>All animal welfare or rescue groups must be "registered" and have a
"permit" issued by AC. 
>City and county government are merged so the ordinance applies to
EVERYONE
even in rural areas.
>Also spoke with members of the LKC who attended,  several hunters from
Quail Unlimited, Assn of KY Sportsmen, groomers and dog breeders. A 
press
conference scheduled by the Assn of KY Sportsmen prior to the mee

Re: OT Louisville Animal Ordiance

[Gussies mom]

This sounds to me like they have a bad overpopulation problem and are trying to 
reduce the number of animals killed because of unwanted breeding. I think it is 
good to have to have a special license if you have an unalterd dog. I also 
don't have a problem with them making people pay for the surgery and 
vaccinating. If you have a show dog, I'm sure it has a collar, tag and 
microchip and is well watched.
   
  Beth

Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I received the below from a friend.  The ordinance applies to cats 
too.  Please feel free to cross post.
   
  Feel free to cross post these comments from someone who attended the
Mayor's town hall meeting last night...this came across on my Showdog-L
list.

Subject: Notes From L'Ville Mayor's Town Meeting

The included notes were taken at yesterday evening's "town hall" meeting
by
a person who
attended the meeting.  She has signed the notes, and gives permission to
cross-post. After
reading the remarks of the assistant to the Animal Control Officer, I'd
be
even less inclined
to take a dog to Louisville:

**

>I attended the monthly public meeting of Mayor Abramson's tonight in
Louisville. It was announced that it was not a public forum and no
questions and answers were allowed during the formal part of the
meeting.
The monthly meeting obviously had more people attending than usual.
After
noticing the large number of hunters present with orange hats the mayor
asked "What hunting season is it?" and someone shouted back "Dog
hunting!".
Mayor Abramson conceded he had put his foot in his mouth. He also
encouraged the audience to call  502-574-5000 ext. 311 with their
problems
and each call would be brought to his attention. He did not leave any
further opening for audience responses. Forms were available to submit
written "ideas, suggestions, or concerns" AFTER filling out your name,
address and phone number. 
>After the mayor introduced his administration leaders people were
allowed
to get in line and ask questions of individual department heads. Dr.
Meloche, head of animal control, was "out of town"-but adoption rates at
AC
have increased this year according to the mayor. Meloche's  assistant
told
me Dr. Meloche will be at the meeting next month. She also stated, in
response to my questions:
>AC isn't trying to inconvenience responsible dog owners.
>Just because your neighbors report you for annoying dogs doesn't
necessarily mean we are going to cite you. 
>Ex-pens aren't illegal. 
>We don't want to discourage dog shows.
>If you have seven intact dogs all you will have to do is get TWO
retail/dealer licenses from AC at $300 per year to continue to breed
your
dogs and be in compliance with the law.
>We won't kill or alter your showdog if it gets loose at the dog show
and
is microchipped-but the law says we can and we will if we need to.
>We don't intend to kill or alter showdogs- but it could happen.
>If we do alter your showdog you will be subject to costs for surgery,
boarding, and fines up to $250.
>We might alter or kill your showdog because we have a terrible pet
overpopulation problem in our community generated by animals that aren't
altered.
>If your animal is impounded by AC the charge for "redeeming" it is
$25-$100 impoundment fee plus $15-25 per day boarding fee plus $30-$250
fine plus all medical costs of spay/neuter of the animal. Plus the
animal
will be revaccinated at your expense.
>All "strays" are held for five days unless AC is crowded and then your
pet
may be killed the same day it is picked up. 
>All complaints to AC are "anonymous".
>All animal welfare or rescue groups must be "registered" and have a
"permit" issued by AC. 
>City and county government are merged so the ordinance applies to
EVERYONE
even in rural areas.
>Also spoke with members of the LKC who attended,  several hunters from
Quail Unlimited, Assn of KY Sportsmen, groomers and dog breeders. A 
press
conference scheduled by the Assn of KY Sportsmen prior to the meeting
had
to be canceled due to a train derailment south of L'ville. It will be
rescheduled for the Feb. mayor's meeting. 
>A cat person told me her cat show in Louisville has been canceled for
this
year. The majority of the crowd seemed to be there specifically because
of
the anti-dog ordinance.  Some people were passing out lists of
"offenses"
in the ordinance that could result in a one year jail
sentence-dissecting
an animal in class, using a 6 ft leash on an unaltered animal, failing
to
dismount and dispose of manure while trail riding, etc, etc. The line of
people waiting to talk to the mayor was very long-I was not able to
speak
with him.
>Prior to the mayor's meeting I stopped at the Executive Inn next to the
LKC dog show site (KY Fair and EXPO Center). I met with the manager,
Terry
Jenks, and told him why I would not be staying at his hotel this year.
He
was very interested and said he had had a letter from another ex-guest
who
told him the same

Re: Junior

[cindy reasoner]

Sally, I am sorry to hear that Junior's eye is still
causing problems.  Both of you are in my prayers.

Cindy Reasoner

--- Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am taking Junior to the Vet tomorrow. His right
> eye still has glaucoma,
> you can see it bulge and the cataract that is
> forming. He did not eat well
> today. Just in case the vet is agreeable how do I
> get her to write the
> prescription for alferon(Kelly)? Also I looked in
> the Archives and I am not
> sure it answered my question, but for any of you who
> have used Transfer
> Factor, do you think it helps?
> He still has the thick ears which are very red. I
> will ask about that as
> well.
> 
> Thanks for you help.
> 
> Sally Davis
> -- 
> Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline
> Leukemia. Our story
> www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html
> please help us if you can
>
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> 



 

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Re: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)??

[Susan Loesch]

Hideyo - thank you for sending to her.   Fingers crossed and many prayers for 
both Michelle and Lucy.

Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Thanks for letting us know. I sure hope it 
helps Lucy. I also hope it 
helps Michelle to know that some is coming. I hate being at that point 
where you don't know what to do next. Did Michelle tell you if Lucy's 
temp is down? Blessings to all,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
>
> I just shipped some to Michelle – she is very exhausted right now – so 
> I am responding on her behalf.
>

Re: Junior

[Sally Davis]

The eye with glaucoma is the bad eye. I can't see that the medicine helps
except for temporarily. If he has to stay on it then it  would make sense to
remove the eye. I will find out about the ears he does ha a swelling behin
his ears. I am hoping is just infection.

Sally


On 1/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 his good eye Sally? or is this his bad eye?

Phaewryn

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Re: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies

[Marylyn]

Muscle testing is often called kinesiology and, while it appears strange, can 
be very accurate.   Would the pharmacist be willing to test Phelix?  If not, 
see if you can find an alternative vet in the area.  

  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:42 PM
  Subject: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies


  I have searched all my email archives and I can't for the life of me find who 
recommended going to a compounding pharmacy to get compounded transdermal 
benedryl gel for my Phelix's allergies (my brain is like a sieve)...but Phelix 
and I just wanted to say thanks!  (and please tell me who you are - !) 

  Phelix is my 8 yr. old, one-eyed from birth, 18lb tuxedo baby...and absolute 
soul mate.  (here is his picture:  
http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/cats/phelix/phelix22.jpg )  

  He sleeps on my arm every night and has to be on the side I am facing.  If I 
turn over in the middle of the night -- he lets out this audible sigh...and 
moves to the other side of the bed so he can be where I am facing.  The poor 
baby has a bright pink tummy and his back legs look like little granny legs 
because he's itching so much he's just chewed off all the hair.  I had every 
test done on the planet...it's not ringworm...nothing that can be identified.  
The vet thinks it's allergies...I've wondered if it isn't OCD.  We've tried 
immuno-regulin...steroid shots (which only last about two weeks)...but it looks 
like we're going to finally get some real allergy relief from the compounded 
benedryl...and Phelix would never have had this kind of relief if it weren't 
for the smart people here!  He'll even let me touch his bright pink tummy 
tonight. 

  I called my vet yesterday and told him about what I read here...so he called 
the compounding pharmacy.  Turns out my vet uses them a good bit.

  I had never been to a compounding pharmacy.  I was very impressed when I went 
during lunch today because the both pharmacists are multiple cat owners and 
they have experience with cat allergies.  

  The pharmacist said that most cases of feline allergies are diet based...that 
cats are mainly carnivores and diets that have a lot of other 'stuff' in them 
tend to cause allergies.  They use muscle testing with cats to see what types 
of cat food to use (I had no idea what he was talkng about - but he 
demonstrated...and that blew my mind).  Both pharmacists say that they have 
individual diets for each cat based on their individual responses. 

  The pharmacist took a lot of time with me when I asked about how it is 
applied, etc.   Phelix didn't mind in the slightest when I applied it just 
inside his ear. 

  I also got some homeopathic stuff to add to Phelix's water to help him with 
his allergies.  We haven't started that yet - but will before we all turn in.

  You are the best -- Phelix and I thank you.

  elizabeth

RE: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)??

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I really do not think that Lucy has FIP -- according to the lab work she
told me - but at the same time, FOI also works for felk sometimes, and I
hope that it will help Lucy --

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)??

Thanks for letting us know. I sure hope it helps Lucy. I also hope it 
helps Michelle to know that some is coming. I hate being at that point 
where you don't know what to do next. Did Michelle tell you if Lucy's 
temp is down? Blessings to all,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
>
> I just shipped some to Michelle - she is very exhausted right now - so

> I am responding on her behalf.
>

RE: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)??

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

What do you mean they couldn't? 

Any vets can order from Abbeyvet  by fax 44-1977-685111 (tel. 444-1977
685777) in UK - Please contact me off list for more detail information 

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:59 PM
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Subject: Re: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)?? 

 

In a message dated 1/18/2007 8:54:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hideyo is right. Your vet can get it right away now,,She has all
the 
information,
Kelly

Neither my vet nor the Senior vet at the clinic my cat goes to could,
please post further info.