Re: Bandit: toxoplasmosis
In a message dated 2/1/07 2:01:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patti, If he is doing so much better, I think it is likely that he has toxo and not fip. It can be very hard to tell fip from toxo-- toxo can cause pretty much all the symptoms and lab work of fip. but it can be cured with clindamycin, and they are supposed to start feeling better within 3 days. How much pred is he on? Michelle Michelle- My Puma is on 5 mg. pred. 2X daily (I sent you an individual e-mail on my Puma...did you get it? I am NOT happy w/ AOL!!! Another L-O-N-G story.I 've been on AOL foreverl...and it's getting so much worse -.Maybe it's just me...) Anyway, for an old boy. his recovery has been totally amazing.. When I got the diagnosis, the FIP really made me think, having dealt with it before, sadlySo, I NEVER questioned it having lost 2 of my boys before (confirmed thru necropsies). I just felt guilty 'cause I did not get my personal clan tested at the time.. And, Dusty Oden NEVER showed symptoms, they just died, as if it was a heart attack. Dusty was old, a rescued street cat from Baltimore, so we had NO history But Oden was just 2, and I had him since a bottle baby...Never sick, he just dropped dead, suddenly. Freaked me out, BIG TIME! So I figured the FIP was gotten from my fosters.. But, since Puma has been on clindo pred. his recovery is amazing!! I pray it was only toxo.. But, at his age (ancient), I thought if it was FIP too.well... You have given me inspiration, which I really need now. ( I just lost Fred, my cannibalistic gold fish, so today has been a B-A-D day. I loved that fish, despite his faults - Wouldn't even put him in outside pond, he really gave me such pleasure..) Now I wonder that if I had put him in pond, well, maybe he'd still be alive.. He ate all his aquarium buddies, maybe he was lonely being solo in tank... (I have been wondering if Belinda can add him to next CLS - I've seen dogs, but a fish? He was special..) Anyway, thanks so much for your inspiration, I really needed that. How is your sweet Lucy doing? And, yes, she is in my prayers every night. I also believe in the power of prayer, just wish I didn't have SO many people praying for me after MVA.. I am going to also send this to your personal e-mail, please, please, please, let me know you've recv'd. it... , Patti (and her clan)
Re: Mylo's Passing
Chris, I am so sorry to hear about your sweet Mylo. We don't want to let them go and yet we don't want to see them suffer. Your story reminded me of my dog Shelby when I had to take her about 45 mnts. from home to see if the University of Tennessee Vet Hospital could do anything for her. She was a big dog and I had her up front with me. Her backside was paralyzed. She just loved the ride down there looking out the window. In the end nothing could be done for her and I had to make that terrible decision. It was months and months before I could drive back by that Hospital. I know you and your spouse's hearts are broken. You loved Mylo so much that you put an end to the pain. I know Mylo appreciated that and all the love you and your spouse gave. Cindy Reasoner --- Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your support. I took Mylo to his vet appointment yesterday. I was nervous with a pit in my stomach. Mylo seemed subdued, almost like he knew why he was there and that he was ready to let go. His little frail body lay on a blanket on the metal table. His head still up. The vet gave him a sedative to relax him and within 10 minutes it had shown it's effect on Mylo. His tiny head slowly drooped down to where his nose was touching the blanket he lay on. My spouse and I continuously stroked Mylo's head, neck and paws. The vet came back in to administer the leathal needle. The vet checked Mylo for a heart beat and told us Mylo had passed. My spouse and I stayed with Mylo privately in the room. We said our goodbyes and gave Mylo a kiss on his head as that was my favourite place to kiss him. It was difficult as we walked out of the room and I looked back at his motionless body. It hurt to leave him there. When we got home we talked a lot about Mylo. I cleaned out his litter box and put his dishes in the dishwasher. I slept with the blanket that I took him to the vet in. It was difficult for us to fall asleep. Even though I knew what we did was right for Mylo because of the state he was in, I just wanted him back. In the end, I tried my best to help him. I loved him and cared for him like he was my child. From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mylo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0800 Chris, I am so very sorry you had to Mylo go, What a wonderful compassionate thing you have done for your baby. You were his voice and his heart when he could not speak for himself. Today you are full of sadness, but there is that seed of joy somewhere inside you that will grow because you have brought an end to all of Mylos pain, The very best gift you have given. Kelly _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
Rompi's surgery has been cancelled
do they have Abbott Costello movies in Italy? Not only... Oliver Hardy too :) And now a local network is passing Quincy ME at 7am!!! When you signup it automatically GIVES you a @ yahoo.com email address, BUT, you don't have to use it for your yahoogroups if you don't want to. You just make something up there, anything, you could be [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to. Once you get an account set up, you can add additional email addresses to it, and choose which one you want your email to go to. Phaewryn, that's GREAT! Even because I have just discovered that my former Yahoo ID for the Feline Anemia group is not assigned, even if I am receiving posts from that group, so there is something definitely corrupted, or out of order, with that ID. At this point I am going to sign up as a new user to Feline Cancer and Feline Lymphoma, trying to have posts sent to my regular address. This is a must, because Rompi's surgery has been cancelled. I took Rompi in this morning, but when I talked to the surgeon about the operation, he told me that he examined Rompi's echographies, RX and bloodwork very carefully; considering that Rompi behaves just like he doesn't know he has got a tumor, the surgeon expressed his position that surgery would have been far too invasive and of uncertain outcome. He suggested to leave Rompi in peace with surgery and to go on with chemo and nutrition supplements only. Now, I can admit that I am more than relieved that the surgeon chose to not disturb what is, to my eyes, a miracle on paws. At this point, I have to go full throttle for information on chemotherapy options and lymphomas (Yahoo groups are now a must), and food supplements. From now on, Rompi will rely only on those to survive. Paolo
Re: Mylo's Passing
Chris, I'm so so sorry. I know you want Mylo back...I can't stop thinkin' I want my Schatzi back toobut as a friend of mine has told me...they really hasn't gone anywhere...still with you only now, instead of being under hand, (he's) in your heart. God Bless and bring you peace. T --- Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you all for your support. I took Mylo to his vet appointment yesterday. I was nervous with a pit in my stomach. Mylo seemed subdued, almost like he knew why he was there and that he was ready to let go. His little frail body lay on a blanket on the metal table. His head still up. The vet gave him a sedative to relax him and within 10 minutes it had shown it's effect on Mylo. His tiny head slowly drooped down to where his nose was touching the blanket he lay on. My spouse and I continuously stroked Mylo's head, neck and paws. The vet came back in to administer the leathal needle. The vet checked Mylo for a heart beat and told us Mylo had passed. My spouse and I stayed with Mylo privately in the room. We said our goodbyes and gave Mylo a kiss on his head as that was my favourite place to kiss him. It was difficult as we walked out of the room and I looked back at his motionless body. It hurt to leave him there. When we got home we talked a lot about Mylo. I cleaned out his litter box and put his dishes in the dishwasher. I slept with the blanket that I took him to the vet in. It was difficult for us to fall asleep. Even though I knew what we did was right for Mylo because of the state he was in, I just wanted him back. In the end, I tried my best to help him. I loved him and cared for him like he was my child. From: Kelly L Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mylo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0800 Chris, I am so very sorry you had to Mylo go, What a wonderful compassionate thing you have done for your baby. You were his voice and his heart when he could not speak for himself. Today you are full of sadness, but there is that seed of joy somewhere inside you that will grow because you have brought an end to all of Mylos pain, The very best gift you have given. Kelly _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
RE: Mylo's Passing
I'm so sorry Chris. It's so very hard. At least you know he's no longer suffering. My condolences to you and your spouse. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Ramzy Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mylo's Passing Thank you all for your support. I took Mylo to his vet appointment yesterday. I was nervous with a pit in my stomach. Mylo seemed subdued, almost like he knew why he was there and that he was ready to let go. His little frail body lay on a blanket on the metal table. His head still up. The vet gave him a sedative to relax him and within 10 minutes it had shown it's effect on Mylo. His tiny head slowly drooped down to where his nose was touching the blanket he lay on. My spouse and I continuously stroked Mylo's head, neck and paws. The vet came back in to administer the leathal needle. The vet checked Mylo for a heart beat and told us Mylo had passed. My spouse and I stayed with Mylo privately in the room. We said our goodbyes and gave Mylo a kiss on his head as that was my favourite place to kiss him. It was difficult as we walked out of the room and I looked back at his motionless body. It hurt to leave him there. When we got home we talked a lot about Mylo. I cleaned out his litter box and put his dishes in the dishwasher. I slept with the blanket that I took him to the vet in. It was difficult for us to fall asleep. Even though I knew what we did was right for Mylo because of the state he was in, I just wanted him back. In the end, I tried my best to help him. I loved him and cared for him like he was my child. From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mylo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0800 Chris, I am so very sorry you had to Mylo go, What a wonderful compassionate thing you have done for your baby. You were his voice and his heart when he could not speak for himself. Today you are full of sadness, but there is that seed of joy somewhere inside you that will grow because you have brought an end to all of Mylos pain, The very best gift you have given. Kelly _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Mylo's Passing
Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;)
Please send more prayers for Lucy
It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
I am with you two Michelle. Paolo
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Michelle, I haven't been able to read many of the post lately but I am praying for you and precious Lucy. Have you thought about the IR to try to help with the fevers? I don't know it may not be something she needs. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: Mylo's Passing
Thank you for your email and everyone on the list that has offered kind, supportive words. I guess the best way to look at it is to cherish and remember the joy they brought to our lives and that should out-way letting them go. Ideally, that would be a good way to look at it, but we all know that can be difficult at times. So we just need to tell ourselves it was worth it. I'm glad Mylo was in my life. Maybe if he was with another family then he may have not been as loved...who knows. Maybe I made his life a bit better than it would have been otherwise and for that I have to sayit was worth it. Chris From: Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:06:59 +0100 Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;) _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
My prayers for you both will continue, Michelle. Give Lucy a hug; I am so glad she seems to be comfortable and calmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle
RE: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Lucy and you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly. She is such a little trooper!.KM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please send more prayers for Lucy It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Mylo's Passing
i read something once that really struck me--oddly enough, it was in an ann landers or dear abby column it was whether we would give up the joy we've shared with a loved one if it meant being spared the pain of losing them. looked at that way, there's no question for me--nor for anyone i've ever talked with--that the answer is no. it is ALWAYS hard to say goodbye, even when we know it means peace for the one who's gone on, those left behind will always hurt. another, sort of kitschy, but sweet thing that i've heard is that the intense pain of a critter's passing is just their clawing their permanent space into our hearts they come to US, instead of to someone else, for a reason--because there is something only we can give them, and because there is something we need to learn that only they can teach us. i can't prove this, i just KNOW it. sometimes i feel guilty, because i think the furry ones who have blessed my life, be it for hours or years, have given me far more than i could possibly have given them. you gave mylo love, food, a roof over his head, the best medical care that you could provide, and a gentle passage surrounded by those who cared for him. think of how many humans cannot say that about their last days. your gifts to him were priceless, and he knows it. MC On 2/1/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your email and everyone on the list that has offered kind, supportive words. I guess the best way to look at it is to cherish and remember the joy they brought to our lives and that should out-way letting them go. Ideally, that would be a good way to look at it, but we all know that can be difficult at times. So we just need to tell ourselves it was worth it. I'm glad Mylo was in my life. Maybe if he was with another family then he may have not been as loved...who knows. Maybe I made his life a bit better than it would have been otherwise and for that I have to sayit was worth it. Chris From: Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:06:59 +0100 Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;) _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Love and Prayers to you both. elizabeth On 2/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle
Re: Mylo's Passing
I'm so, so sorry about Mylo. Nothing ever makes it easier to lose one of our precious babies. He was lucky to have you. Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your support. I took Mylo to his vet appointment yesterday. I was nervous with a pit in my stomach. Mylo seemed subdued, almost like he knew why he was there and that he was ready to let go. His little frail body lay on a blanket on the metal table. His head still up. The vet gave him a sedative to relax him and within 10 minutes it had shown it's effect on Mylo. His tiny head slowly drooped down to where his nose was touching the blanket he lay on. My spouse and I continuously stroked Mylo's head, neck and paws. The vet came back in to administer the leathal needle. The vet checked Mylo for a heart beat and told us Mylo had passed. My spouse and I stayed with Mylo privately in the room. We said our goodbyes and gave Mylo a kiss on his head as that was my favourite place to kiss him. It was difficult as we walked out of the room and I looked back at his motionless body. It hurt to leave him there. When we got home we talked a lot about Mylo. I cleaned out his litter box and put his dishes in the dishwasher. I slept with the blanket that I took him to the vet in. It was difficult for us to fall asleep. Even though I knew what we did was right for Mylo because of the state he was in, I just wanted him back. In the end, I tried my best to help him. I loved him and cared for him like he was my child. From: Kelly L Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mylo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0800 Chris, I am so very sorry you had to Mylo go, What a wonderful compassionate thing you have done for your baby. You were his voice and his heart when he could not speak for himself. Today you are full of sadness, but there is that seed of joy somewhere inside you that will grow because you have brought an end to all of Mylos pain, The very best gift you have given. Kelly _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx
RE: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Michelle - I am glad that you and Lucy are calmer -- when you get a/g ratio, even if it's low, don't put too much weight on it - most of my cats I have have the ratio 0.2 or 0.3 (which is really really low) but they don't have FIP - just as reference.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Please send more prayers for Lucy Lucy and you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly. She is such a little trooper!.KM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please send more prayers for Lucy It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
The lab wouldn't do it, just did total protein and globulin, but my vet said he could calculate it from that since protein is mostly albumin plus globulin, and he got .555. The cytology report called the fluid straw colored and cloudy. Total protein 4.2, total wbc .88 thousand, specific gravity 1.028. looking more like fip, though of course not definitive still. In a message dated 2/1/2007 12:29:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – I am glad that you and Lucy are calmer -- when you get a/g ratio, even if it’s low, don’t put too much weight on it – most of my cats I have have the ratio 0.2 or 0.3 (which is really really low) but they don’t have FIP – just as reference..
acemannan side effects?
Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect - my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer - though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased...anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate - any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
Lucy's fluids
I got Dr. Ishida's article and read it. Lucy's fluid cytology fits every one of the criteria he used for determining fip effusion. The only thing she does not have (or didn't on 1/17 when bloodwork was done, anyway) that he used for diagnosis criteria is high protein and globulin levels in the blood, but Dr. Addie says that only 50% of cats with wet fip have that, maybe because they are effusing some of their proteins and globulins into their abdomen rather than it all circulating in their blood, I don't know. Anyway, it really seems, and looks, like fip at this point. Except that I can't get anyone to give me an answer about what the cytology parameters are for toxo effusions. Michelle
RE: Lucy's fluids
I am sorry that the test result is supporting more for FIP, Michelle - but at the same time, don't give up yet.. there was a cat having FIP and FIV got treated with FOI and made a complete recovery - did you get your FOI package? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Lucy's fluids I got Dr. Ishida's article and read it. Lucy's fluid cytology fits every one of the criteria he used for determining fip effusion. The only thing she does not have (or didn't on 1/17 when bloodwork was done, anyway) that he used for diagnosis criteria is high protein and globulin levels in the blood, but Dr. Addie says that only 50% of cats with wet fip have that, maybe because they are effusing some of their proteins and globulins into their abdomen rather than it all circulating in their blood, I don't know. Anyway, it really seems, and looks, like fip at this point. Except that I can't get anyone to give me an answer about what the cytology parameters are for toxo effusions. Michelle
Re: Lucy's fluids
yes, I got it. Was that one of Dr. ishida's patients? I wrote to Dr. ishida asking him what he has seen in terms of results from VO for FIP since the 2003 article. He did not write back. You said that you talked to him-- did he tell you this? Did he tell you anything that might give me more hope? thanks, michelle In a message dated 2/1/2007 1:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sorry that the test result is supporting more for FIP, Michelle – but at the same time, don’t give up yet.. there was a cat having FIP and FIV got treated with FOI and made a complete recovery – did you get your FOI package?
RE: Lucy's fluids
Actually - it was not - I meant to send an article and realized that it was saved on my lap top at home and forgot to do so when I got home -- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy's fluids yes, I got it. Was that one of Dr. ishida's patients? I wrote to Dr. ishida asking him what he has seen in terms of results from VO for FIP since the 2003 article. He did not write back. You said that you talked to him-- did he tell you this? Did he tell you anything that might give me more hope? thanks, michelle In a message dated 2/1/2007 1:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sorry that the test result is supporting more for FIP, Michelle - but at the same time, don't give up yet.. there was a cat having FIP and FIV got treated with FOI and made a complete recovery - did you get your FOI package?
Re: acemannan side effects?
I did a search on key words acemannan side effects nausea and the first link I checked did state: No serious side effects were observed, although there were reports of nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain.: http://www.aegis.com/pubs/gmhc/1993/GM071103.html I gotta tell you, reading your post turned my stomach in a knot. JoJo has been doing so very well. I'm praying that this is just a fleeting side effect and he will be feeling better soon. What's a homeopathic for nausea? Isn't ginger good for nausea? Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect -- my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer -- though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased...anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate -- any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
Re: Lucy's fluids
Hideyo, since it seems like fip, I am not sure what to do to keep her comfortable. I am tempted to give her steroid shots. However, if there is a chance the feline interferon and epogen could actually help, maybe more steroids would not be the best thing. Have you read or heard about any cats who have been as clinically ill as Lucy and with so much effusion, and for several weeks already, where the feline interferon ended up helping? I am actually losing hope and thinking more and more of just trying to keep her comfortable, though I don't even know what the best way is to do that. In a message dated 2/1/2007 1:29:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually – it was not – I meant to send an article and realized that it was saved on my lap top at home and forgot to do so when I got home --
RE: acemannan side effects?
Thanks, Nina - I hope it's only temporary - I am worried,, but trying to stay positive that he will feel better soon!!! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? I did a search on key words acemannan side effects nausea and the first link I checked did state: No serious side effects were observed, although there were reports of nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain.: http://www.aegis.com/pubs/gmhc/1993/GM071103.html I gotta tell you, reading your post turned my stomach in a knot. JoJo has been doing so very well. I'm praying that this is just a fleeting side effect and he will be feeling better soon. What's a homeopathic for nausea? Isn't ginger good for nausea? Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect - my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer - though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased...anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate - any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
o/t FIV
I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t FIV
Come over to the FIV group at http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats2/?yguid=11572739 Even if she is FIV+ it is likely she will live to be an old lady of a cat and never show any symptoms at all. But the notation you mention doesn't make any sense to me. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Lucy's fluids
I know exactly what you mean, it seems much longer, but I realize that she has been on FOI less than two weeks, right? I know from reading dr. Ishida's study, some cats took at least couple of weeks before all fluid were disappeared.. the only thing I did not see is that the level of anemia - as I believe non their cats and including Pancho was not that anemic.. Michelle, I also recommend that you give her modacure (sp) - immune balancer to Lucy - Steroid - it's a hard call isn't it? I really did not use for most of FIP cats until towards the very end as I felt that steroid will destroy all (good and bad) immune system - and they will need good immune system to fight them off -- This is something that I was not going to recommend, but I will do so off line in case you are interested in.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy's fluids Hideyo, since it seems like fip, I am not sure what to do to keep her comfortable. I am tempted to give her steroid shots. However, if there is a chance the feline interferon and epogen could actually help, maybe more steroids would not be the best thing. Have you read or heard about any cats who have been as clinically ill as Lucy and with so much effusion, and for several weeks already, where the feline interferon ended up helping? I am actually losing hope and thinking more and more of just trying to keep her comfortable, though I don't even know what the best way is to do that. In a message dated 2/1/2007 1:29:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually - it was not - I meant to send an article and realized that it was saved on my lap top at home and forgot to do so when I got home --
Re: o/t FIV
That doesn't make any sense to me Kerry. How can she test neg, but still possibly be pos?? What vet was this that made that notation? You could call the office and ask to fax the report. Even if the vet doesn't remember the specific case, they should be able to tell you what the heck he might have meant by that. That said, I wouldn't worry one little bit about the possibility of Momcat having fiv. I certainly wouldn't put her through the great cat round up just to have her retested. Did you read all those comforting posts about my Star when he tested pos for fiv? Seriously, if she has been acting and feeling healthy all this time, I'd suggest you put those reports back in the file and not worry about it. Having the thought in the back of your mind, (where it belongs in mho), will serve to keep you vigilant to her health concerns, that's not a bad thing. I know you already do that anyway. Didn't you just bring her in for testing in preparation for her possible relocation to the UK? I would think that one of the tests that would be run, would be for fiv. Go take a look at the latest reports, or call the vet you just brought her to. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was *FIV* POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t FIV
If it's the Elisa test, they base on on eyeballing the little circle that appears. If they think they see a faint coloration, might still call it FIV-Neg, but it's maybe really a faint positive. So it can be rather subjective.. Gloria - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: o/t FIV Come over to the FIV group at http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats2/?yguid=11572739 Even if she is FIV+ it is likely she will live to be an old lady of a cat and never show any symptoms at all. But the notation you mention doesn't make any sense to me. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t FIV
it's quite possible for a snap test to be a faint positive--and tho the estimates of false positives for FeLV on snap tests range from 20-80% (thanks, susan), they're generally held to be AT LEAST 40% inaccurate for FIV. no sanctuary or rescue working with FIVs considers a cat to be positive without a confirmatory western blot test. most cats with FIV die WITH the virus, not from it--usually at a ripe old age. many cats are first diagnosed at an advanced age when something else has gone wrong and are just being tested for everything as a matter of course. as it's only transmitted by DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS (like those inflicted by testosterone-crazed toms fighting over girls), any housecat of a certain age that's been indoors most of its life has probably thus been positive for years On 2/1/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't make any sense to me Kerry. How can she test neg, but still possibly be pos?? What vet was this that made that notation? You could call the office and ask to fax the report. Even if the vet doesn't remember the specific case, they should be able to tell you what the heck he might have meant by that. That said, I wouldn't worry one little bit about the possibility of Momcat having fiv. I certainly wouldn't put her through the great cat round up just to have her retested. Did you read all those comforting posts about my Star when he tested pos for fiv? Seriously, if she has been acting and feeling healthy all this time, I'd suggest you put those reports back in the file and not worry about it. Having the thought in the back of your mind, (where it belongs in mho), will serve to keep you vigilant to her health concerns, that's not a bad thing. I know you already do that anyway. Didn't you just bring her in for testing in preparation for her possible relocation to the UK? I would think that one of the tests that would be run, would be for fiv. Go take a look at the latest reports, or call the vet you just brought her to. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: acemannan side effects?
Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
Re: o/t FIV
Thank you Gloria, if that's indeed what went on, it makes more sense. Why didn't the guy just say, faint pos? Sometimes I think they are purposely trying to make us crazy. Either that or they have very little faith in our ability to understand the complexities. It makes me wonder just how much of a concern this must have been to the vet, since he didn't point it out at the time. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: If it's the Elisa test, they base on on eyeballing the little circle that appears. If they think they see a faint coloration, might still call it FIV-Neg, but it's maybe really a faint positive. So it can be rather subjective.. Gloria
RE: o/t FIV
_ From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:49 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: o/t FIV I wouldn't worry, either, -- Kerry - I have to say out and loud.. FIV ELISA test is not reliable at all - I have had 5 cats already for the past 4 years and tested positive on ELISA and was negative (false positive) -- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t FIV That doesn't make any sense to me Kerry. How can she test neg, but still possibly be pos?? What vet was this that made that notation? You could call the office and ask to fax the report. Even if the vet doesn't remember the specific case, they should be able to tell you what the heck he might have meant by that. That said, I wouldn't worry one little bit about the possibility of Momcat having fiv. I certainly wouldn't put her through the great cat round up just to have her retested. Did you read all those comforting posts about my Star when he tested pos for fiv? Seriously, if she has been acting and feeling healthy all this time, I'd suggest you put those reports back in the file and not worry about it. Having the thought in the back of your mind, (where it belongs in mho), will serve to keep you vigilant to her health concerns, that's not a bad thing. I know you already do that anyway. Didn't you just bring her in for testing in preparation for her possible relocation to the UK? I would think that one of the tests that would be run, would be for fiv. Go take a look at the latest reports, or call the vet you just brought her to. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: o/t FIV
Thanks Susan, MC, Gloria, Nina---you guys are great! Agree Nina---I did email my vet, in hopes that testing is taking place right now (her blood was drawn again a couple of weeks ago to be re-sent out for Pet Passport--I don't expect to get result for 2 more weeks) but haven't heard back yet (trying to avoid calling the office as it means relaying verbally to the receptionist) and I'd rather speak to vet directly. I also had she and Mickey re-tested for Felv last may, and asked him in the same email if that test included FIV. It was the PAWS shelter vet that made the note. Not inclined to call them. I'm sure glad I don't have to get psyched up immediately again for the great round-up. MC: she's pretty lazy (tho not fat), is about 4 (tested at 1 year--we're guessing her age but she wasn't a kitten when tested) and LOOKS cuddly but because she remains resolutely feral the ONLY time I've been able to cuddle her in 3 years was 2 weeks ago after she escaped en route to vet and was tranxed after we found her--but as Nina rightly pointed out that cuddle time doesn't count in terms of her becoming tamer since, being tranxed, she had no ??? motor function, was that the term you used?! She's never shown any symptoms of being sick, ever. Not even a cold. Thanks again everyone, will let you know outcome Kerryxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t FIV Thank you Gloria, if that's indeed what went on, it makes more sense. Why didn't the guy just say, faint pos? Sometimes I think they are purposely trying to make us crazy. Either that or they have very little faith in our ability to understand the complexities. It makes me wonder just how much of a concern this must have been to the vet, since he didn't point it out at the time. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: If it's the Elisa test, they base on on eyeballing the little circle that appears. If they think they see a faint coloration, might still call it FIV-Neg, but it's maybe really a faint positive. So it can be rather subjective.. Gloria IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: acemannan side effects?
Did she get an abdominal shot? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? With Mama Kitty - it stimulated her appetite almost immediately. I didn't notice any side-effects when we were taking it. She got a shot once a week for five weeks. On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect - my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer - though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased...anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate - any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
Re: acemannan side effects?
I hope JoJo will be feeling better soon. elizabeth On 2/1/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Mama Kitty - it stimulated her appetite almost immediately. I didn't notice any side-effects when we were taking it. She got a shot once a week for five weeks. On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect – my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer – though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased…anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate – any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
Re: acemannan side effects?
Yes -- each shot was in the tummy. (I can't remember the technical term for that) On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did she get an abdominal shot? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:16 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: acemannan side effects? With Mama Kitty - it stimulated her appetite almost immediately. I didn't notice any side-effects when we were taking it. She got a shot once a week for five weeks. On 2/1/07, *Hideyo Yamamoto* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect – my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer – though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased…anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate – any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
RE: acemannan side effects?
Thank you , Elizabeth.. it's almost miracle to me that all tumors have gone away.. I was hoping, and am still hoping that he will beat this thing.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? I hope JoJo will be feeling better soon. elizabeth On 2/1/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Mama Kitty - it stimulated her appetite almost immediately. I didn't notice any side-effects when we were taking it. She got a shot once a week for five weeks. On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect - my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer - though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased...anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate - any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
RE: acemannan side effects?
Hi, Paolo, I called the office and he is not working today, but I left him a voice mail as a receptionist told me that he is good at returning the call - also I emailed him -- He only got one shot as opposed to having every week, so I don't know what helped him.. I'm thinking that it may be essiac tonic that he is getting every day - don't know for sure -- What is the debate that you are going through? Are you worried that acemmanan will cause side effects or not working effectively? Can you try it first and see what it does before trying chemo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
Re: acemannan side effects?
That is really amazing, Hideyo! There have been some very interesting studies on Acemannan with cancers -- I think for some of those they inject directly into the tumor. I hope this loss of appetite is just temporary. elizabeth On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you , Elizabeth.. it's almost miracle to me that all tumors have gone away.. I was hoping, and am still hoping that he will beat this thing.. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:17 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: acemannan side effects? I hope JoJo will be feeling better soon. elizabeth On 2/1/07, *elizabeth** trent* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Mama Kitty - it stimulated her appetite almost immediately. I didn't notice any side-effects when we were taking it. She got a shot once a week for five weeks. On 2/1/07, *Hideyo Yamamoto* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect – my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer – though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased…anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate – any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
Re: acemannan side effects?
Hideyo - Just curious why your vet is not following the weekly protocol for Acemannan that was used in the studies? elizabeth On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Paolo, I called the office and he is not working today, but I left him a voice mail as a receptionist told me that he is good at returning the call - also I emailed him -- He only got one shot as opposed to having every week, so I don't know what helped him.. I'm thinking that it may be essiac tonic that he is getting every day - don't know for sure -- What is the debate that you are going through? Are you worried that acemmanan will cause side effects or not working effectively? Can you try it first and see what it does before trying chemo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
RE: acemannan side effects?
Oh.. because we did not have anymore - has been back ordered and did not arrive until yesterday..:) How was the result with your kitty? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo - Just curious why your vet is not following the weekly protocol for Acemannan that was used in the studies? elizabeth On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Paolo, I called the office and he is not working today, but I left him a voice mail as a receptionist told me that he is good at returning the call - also I emailed him -- He only got one shot as opposed to having every week, so I don't know what helped him.. I'm thinking that it may be essiac tonic that he is getting every day - don't know for sure -- What is the debate that you are going through? Are you worried that acemmanan will cause side effects or not working effectively? Can you try it first and see what it does before trying chemo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
RE: acemannan side effects?
Hideyo, Acemannan is not reported to have any serious side effect, its toxicity is next to zero...the problem is that ON SOME CATS IT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! Could you please be more specific about the nature of Jojo's tumor? Lymphoma? Sarcoma? Fibrosarcoma? Do you have cytologic/histologic exams? Paolo (at the point of exploding)
Re: acemannan side effects?
The results with Mama Kitty were amazing. We only did five weeks instead of six because it ships in groups of five doses and I would have had to pay another $350 for one more dose. Acemannan was the only treatment she got for the FeVL\severe anemia. After the first shot - she started eating and seemed to feel a bit better (she was so lethargic when we began treatment - she was just laying in bed all the time). By about 3 weeks, she was a new kitty and her fur started looking very soft and shiny again and she didn't sleep all the time. After the last treatment - it was like she reverted to kittenhood! She plays with her toys and seems bright-eyed and healthy. That was last May when we did the treatment. I haven't had her bloodwork done again but I have to wonder if she hasn't thrown the virus. On the other hand though - I know with FeVL+ you can have a setback suddenly and out of the blue so I know that every day is precious. I would do the Acemannan again in a heartbeat. elizabeth On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh.. because we did not have anymore – has been back ordered and did not arrive until yesterday..:) How was the result with your kitty? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:30 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo - Just curious why your vet is not following the weekly protocol for Acemannan that was used in the studies? elizabeth On 2/1/07, *Hideyo Yamamoto* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Paolo, I called the office and he is not working today, but I left him a voice mail as a receptionist told me that he is good at returning the call - also I emailed him -- He only got one shot as opposed to having every week, so I don't know what helped him.. I'm thinking that it may be essiac tonic that he is getting every day - don't know for sure -- What is the debate that you are going through? Are you worried that acemmanan will cause side effects or not working effectively? Can you try it first and see what it does before trying chemo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
Re: acemannan side effects?
My understanding with the Acemannan is that in tests it helped about 70%...that just sounded too good to me not to try. I don't see any reason why you couldn't do it along with the chemo if you wanted to -- it is made from aloe vera. elizabeth On 2/1/07, Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, Acemannan is not reported to have any serious side effect, its toxicity is next to zero...the problem is that ON SOME CATS IT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! Could you please be more specific about the nature of Jojo's tumor? Lymphoma? Sarcoma? Fibrosarcoma? Do you have cytologic/histologic exams? Paolo (at the point of exploding)
Acemannan... D**N!!!
Acemannan is not registered in Europe, and for the same reason cannot even be shipped here in Italy. The only possibility is Switzerland (not member of the European Union), and from there to Italy. Time is above one month. A box of four doses of 10 mg each costs about 200 Euros, minimum order is three boxes, total about 600 euros. Here we have something strange, Elizabeth, because your boxes contained FIVE doses, not four... were 10 mg doses? Could you please tell me the COMMERCIAL NAME of your injectable Acemannan? Was it CARRAVET? Do you have any factory reference code? My problem is not the 600 euros: it is the 30 day, and it is that it could simply not work. Just to summarize: Elizabeth, Mama Kitty had FeLV/anemia but NOT any tumor, right? Hideyo, direct Acemannan injection into the tumor is reported in literature, but with SARCOMA OR FIBROSARCOMA, not LYMPHOMA (like with my Rompi). Please be more precise about Jojo's tumor, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease... Paolo (definitely panicking)
Re: acemannan side effects?
intraperitoneally -- that's the word I was looking for. On 2/1/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes -- each shot was in the tummy. (I can't remember the technical term for that) On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did she get an abdominal shot? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:16 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: acemannan side effects? With Mama Kitty - it stimulated her appetite almost immediately. I didn't notice any side-effects when we were taking it. She got a shot once a week for five weeks. On 2/1/07, *Hideyo Yamamoto* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone of you have used acemmanan for your kitties and have experienced any side effect – my JoJo who was diagnosed having a cancer – though with one shot of acemmanna a month ago and with essiac tonic all of his tumors which was visible to us seemed to have gone away. .and his PCV also increased…anyway, we gave another shot of acemmann yesterday and since then he does not want to eat and I am assuming that it was due to acemmana shot and makes him nauseate – any insight is appreciated. Thank you.
Re: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Yes, it was Carravet -- the only manufacturer in the world of injectible acemannan. I think they were 10mg doses...I suspect the amount administered depended on the weight of the cat -- perhaps 1mg per lb (that's generally standard) mama kitty was down to about 7lbs then...perhaps it was 4 bottles but the equivalent of five doses for her? On 2/1/07, Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acemannan is not registered in Europe, and for the same reason cannot even be shipped here in Italy. The only possibility is Switzerland (not member of the European Union), and from there to Italy. Time is above one month. A box of four doses of 10 mg each costs about 200 Euros, minimum order is three boxes, total about 600 euros. Here we have something strange, Elizabeth, because your boxes contained FIVE doses, not four... were 10 mg doses? Could you please tell me the COMMERCIAL NAME of your injectable Acemannan? Was it CARRAVET? Do you have any factory reference code? My problem is not the 600 euros: it is the 30 day, and it is that it could simply not work. Just to summarize: Elizabeth, Mama Kitty had FeLV/anemia but NOT any tumor, right? Hideyo, direct Acemannan injection into the tumor is reported in literature, but with SARCOMA OR FIBROSARCOMA, not LYMPHOMA (like with my Rompi). Please be more precise about Jojo's tumor, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease... Paolo (definitely panicking)
Re: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Another possibility could be the Vatican City Pharmacy... the Vatican City in Rome (Holy See) is a State by itself, and its pharmacy can get drugs not registered in Italy... now I remember that lots of people go there to get cancer/AIDS drugs not available on the other side of the square... Hideyo PLEASE! Post here a resume of Jojo's story, but with all the details you have about the tumor, tomorrow morning I am going to talk to another oncologist about Acemannan, but I *must* have precise data to submit to him! Paolo (exhausted/depressed...)
To Patti
Dear Patti I'm so sorry to hear about your Fred. I know how much you loved him. Y'know, it doesn't matter what the species is---we form strong attachments. I see no reason why Belinda wouldn't put your sweet Fred on the CLS list. He was a much-loved little fish and you will sorely miss him. It will comfort you to see his name on the CLS--I know it's always meant a HUGE amount to me, and has been so comforting, to see my little souls commemorated on the list, and know they are remembered there, no matter what. big hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit: toxoplasmosis In a message dated 2/1/07 2:01:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patti, If he is doing so much better, I think it is likely that he has toxo and not fip. It can be very hard to tell fip from toxo-- toxo can cause pretty much all the symptoms and lab work of fip. but it can be cured with clindamycin, and they are supposed to start feeling better within 3 days. How much pred is he on? Michelle Michelle- My Puma is on 5 mg. pred. 2X daily (I sent you an individual e-mail on my Puma...did you get it? I am NOT happy w/ AOL!!! Another L-O-N-G story.I 've been on AOL foreverl...and it's getting so much worse - http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/badday/devil-waving .Maybe it's just me... http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/thghts/angry-punctuation ) Anyway, for an old boy. his recovery has been totally amazing.. When I got the diagnosis, the FIP really made me think, having dealt with it before, sadlySo, I NEVER questioned it having lost 2 of my boys before (confirmed thru necropsies). I just felt guilty 'cause I did not get my personal clan tested at the time.. And, Dusty Oden NEVER showed symptoms, they just died, as if it was a heart attack. Dusty was old, a rescued street cat from Baltimore, so we had NO history But Oden was just 2, and I had him since a bottle baby...Never sick, he just dropped dead, suddenly. Freaked me out, BIG TIME! So I figured the FIP was gotten from my fosters.. But, since Puma has been on clindo pred. his recovery is amazing!! I pray it was only toxo.. But, at his age (ancient), I thought if it was FIP too.well... You have given me inspiration, which I really need now. ( I just lost Fred, my cannibalistic gold fish, so today has been a B-A-D day. I loved that fish, despite his faults - Wouldn't even put him in outside pond, he really gave me such pleasure..) Now I wonder that if I had put him in pond, well, maybe he'd still be alive.. He ate all his aquarium buddies, maybe he was lonely being solo in tank... (I have been wondering if Belinda can add him to next CLS - I've seen dogs, but a fish? He was special..) Anyway, thanks so much for your inspiration, I really needed that. How is your sweet Lucy doing? And, yes, she is in my prayers every night. I also believe in the power of prayer, just wish I didn't have SO many people praying for me after MVA.. I am going to also send this to your personal e-mail, please, please, please, let me know you've recv'd. it... http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/love/clips/clip2-love2 , Patti (and her clan) http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: acemannan side effects? - to michelle
Wow that's amazing - Michelle - do you want to consider this for Lucy -for her anemia? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? The results with Mama Kitty were amazing. We only did five weeks instead of six because it ships in groups of five doses and I would have had to pay another $350 for one more dose. Acemannan was the only treatment she got for the FeVL\severe anemia. After the first shot - she started eating and seemed to feel a bit better (she was so lethargic when we began treatment - she was just laying in bed all the time). By about 3 weeks, she was a new kitty and her fur started looking very soft and shiny again and she didn't sleep all the time. After the last treatment - it was like she reverted to kittenhood! She plays with her toys and seems bright-eyed and healthy. That was last May when we did the treatment. I haven't had her bloodwork done again but I have to wonder if she hasn't thrown the virus. On the other hand though - I know with FeVL+ you can have a setback suddenly and out of the blue so I know that every day is precious. I would do the Acemannan again in a heartbeat. elizabeth On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh.. because we did not have anymore - has been back ordered and did not arrive until yesterday..:) How was the result with your kitty? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo - Just curious why your vet is not following the weekly protocol for Acemannan that was used in the studies? elizabeth On 2/1/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Paolo, I called the office and he is not working today, but I left him a voice mail as a receptionist told me that he is good at returning the call - also I emailed him -- He only got one shot as opposed to having every week, so I don't know what helped him.. I'm thinking that it may be essiac tonic that he is getting every day - don't know for sure -- What is the debate that you are going through? Are you worried that acemmanan will cause side effects or not working effectively? Can you try it first and see what it does before trying chemo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
Re: acemannan side effects? - to michelle
she has fip, which no one has said acemannan helps with, and it has to be given in the stomach, which means taking her to the vet, so no. I thought about it initially before we knew what was going on with her. In a message dated 2/1/2007 4:51:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow that’s amazing – Michelle – do you want to consider this for Lucy –for her anemia?
Re: To Patti
furred or feathered, finned or fanged, they are all our companions and parts of our families. GLOW to guide fred home--may he find a pond of his own to rule over at the bridge... -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: acemannan side effects? - to michelle
I actually gave it to her myself for Tsubomi and Dharma, I think - the vet showed me how.. Though you don't know for sure 100% that she has FIP - if there is a slight possibility of her having cancer or even with anemia problem.. it may help - as it is not supposed to hurt.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? - to michelle she has fip, which no one has said acemannan helps with, and it has to be given in the stomach, which means taking her to the vet, so no. I thought about it initially before we knew what was going on with her. In a message dated 2/1/2007 4:51:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow that's amazing - Michelle - do you want to consider this for Lucy -for her anemia?
RE: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Hideyo, I am going to sleep because for today I have given all I could give... Please, I ask you one last favour, I will read it tomorrow morning before going to work, now I simply do not have the time to do it by myself (it's 23:15 over here). Please post the summarized history of Jojo, FIV/FeLV status, what you know of the tumor(s) [number/position] but especially HOW you administered Acemannan: - WHERE (point or points of injection) - HOW MANY TIMES and TIME INTERVAL IN BETWEEN (if more than once) - DOSES (if you remember it) - TIME BETWEEN SHOT(S) AND REGRESSION OF TUMOR(S) I need these data in order to have something CONCRETE to submit to the oncologist. Now I can go to bed and faint... Paolo
Re: Lucy's fluids (FIP and FO case studies)
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=191lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=192lang=eng (sometimes you have to refresh a few times before they show up) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: o/t FIV
FIV is relatively harmless. Unless she is showing symptoms, then I wouldn't treat her any differently. My website has lots if FIV links. http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
RE: o/t FIV
Thanks Phaewryn---MC sent it already---what a wonderful website you've created! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t FIV FIV is relatively harmless. Unless she is showing symptoms, then I wouldn't treat her any differently. My website has lots if FIV links. http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Paolo, I recommend you join the FIVHealthScience yahoogroup once you get signed up there... they have had several conversations on how to hide drugs in brownies to get them past customs (usually feline interferon omega into the USA, but it would work both ways)... they could probably advise you on ways to illegally import it! http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fiv-healthscience/ Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
RE: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Paolo -- sorry if I confused you -- JoJo is my dog - He got one injection in his tummy once 4 weeks ago and another one yesterday -- dosage -- I can't remember exactly.. but came with 4 vials and we almost used a whole vial for each use. Again, I can't attribute it to acemannan completely as he was on essiac tonic as well, but three weeks later, the visible portions of tumors seem to have gone away. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Acemannan... D**N!!! Hideyo, I am going to sleep because for today I have given all I could give... Please, I ask you one last favour, I will read it tomorrow morning before going to work, now I simply do not have the time to do it by myself (it's 23:15 over here). Please post the summarized history of Jojo, FIV/FeLV status, what you know of the tumor(s) [number/position] but especially HOW you administered Acemannan: - WHERE (point or points of injection) - HOW MANY TIMES and TIME INTERVAL IN BETWEEN (if more than once) - DOSES (if you remember it) - TIME BETWEEN SHOT(S) AND REGRESSION OF TUMOR(S) I need these data in order to have something CONCRETE to submit to the oncologist. Now I can go to bed and faint... Paolo
Re: o/t FIV
Thanks, I try really hard to be useful! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP-- Beth
Beth, how long did Ally live after diagnosis? Did you treat her with anything that seemed to help make her more comfortable? thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/20/2007 11:11:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I am sorry you haven't had any good replies yet over on the FIP list, I am on that list too, they usually run slower and less detailed on replies than this amazing felv list. I don't have experience with FIP like the breeders on the list, but they often seem to distrust FIP diagnoses. Have you been to Dr. Addie's site on FIP? I believe she has a worksheet there that can help rule FIP in or out. My Ally was diagnosed as wet FIP by her regular vet, I am still not sure she was right, but here are the symptoms she had: lethargy recurring URI (whenever we tried to wean her off antibiotics) recurring fevers inappetance red swimmer's ear infection that wouldn't clear fluid in abdomen (not thick, barely tinted yellow inconsistent with FIP) big belly within a week. FCoV titre - 1:100 (again, not very indicative of FIP) FeLV+ FIP is so frustrating, I guess all of these symptoms can result from other problems. It sounds to me like you are treating her in the best possible manner. The only way I can see the surgery being helpful is if it could find another treatable cause of her symptoms. If it only rules FIP in or out, I too would choose not to put her through it. She has been fighting the fevers much better than my Ally did, so it may very well be something else. I so hope that she is rallying again as I type this... Strength, Beth
Re: Mylo's Passing
You're right. I wouldn't have given him up to avoid the pain of losing him. I try to remind myself that I gave him as much love as I could. I'm sure he knew that, as I often cuddled him when he wanted to squirm out of my loving grip. But when he was ready to come to me, on his terms...then it was okay to hug himfunny. From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:00:26 -0500 i read something once that really struck me--oddly enough, it was in an ann landers or dear abby column it was whether we would give up the joy we've shared with a loved one if it meant being spared the pain of losing them. looked at that way, there's no question for me--nor for anyone i've ever talked with--that the answer is no. it is ALWAYS hard to say goodbye, even when we know it means peace for the one who's gone on, those left behind will always hurt. another, sort of kitschy, but sweet thing that i've heard is that the intense pain of a critter's passing is just their clawing their permanent space into our hearts they come to US, instead of to someone else, for a reason--because there is something only we can give them, and because there is something we need to learn that only they can teach us. i can't prove this, i just KNOW it. sometimes i feel guilty, because i think the furry ones who have blessed my life, be it for hours or years, have given me far more than i could possibly have given them. you gave mylo love, food, a roof over his head, the best medical care that you could provide, and a gentle passage surrounded by those who cared for him. think of how many humans cannot say that about their last days. your gifts to him were priceless, and he knows it. MC On 2/1/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your email and everyone on the list that has offered kind, supportive words. I guess the best way to look at it is to cherish and remember the joy they brought to our lives and that should out-way letting them go. Ideally, that would be a good way to look at it, but we all know that can be difficult at times. So we just need to tell ourselves it was worth it. I'm glad Mylo was in my life. Maybe if he was with another family then he may have not been as loved...who knows. Maybe I made his life a bit better than it would have been otherwise and for that I have to sayit was worth it. Chris From: Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:06:59 +0100 Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;) _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: Mylo's Passing
Thank you Susan. From: Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) I'm so, so sorry about Mylo. Nothing ever makes it easier to lose one of our precious babies. He was lucky to have you. Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your support. I took Mylo to his vet appointment yesterday. I was nervous with a pit in my stomach. Mylo seemed subdued, almost like he knew why he was there and that he was ready to let go. His little frail body lay on a blanket on the metal table. His head still up. The vet gave him a sedative to relax him and within 10 minutes it had shown it's effect on Mylo. His tiny head slowly drooped down to where his nose was touching the blanket he lay on. My spouse and I continuously stroked Mylo's head, neck and paws. The vet came back in to administer the leathal needle. The vet checked Mylo for a heart beat and told us Mylo had passed. My spouse and I stayed with Mylo privately in the room. We said our goodbyes and gave Mylo a kiss on his head as that was my favourite place to kiss him. It was difficult as we walked out of the room and I looked back at his motionless body. It hurt to leave him there. When we got home we talked a lot about Mylo. I cleaned out his litter box and put his dishes in the dishwasher. I slept with the blanket that I took him to the vet in. It was difficult for us to fall asleep. Even though I knew what we did was right for Mylo because of the state he was in, I just wanted him back. In the end, I tried my best to help him. I loved him and cared for him like he was my child. From: Kelly L Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mylo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0800 Chris, I am so very sorry you had to Mylo go, What a wonderful compassionate thing you have done for your baby. You were his voice and his heart when he could not speak for himself. Today you are full of sadness, but there is that seed of joy somewhere inside you that will grow because you have brought an end to all of Mylos pain, The very best gift you have given. Kelly _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP-- Beth
Hi Michelle, It breaks my heart to read of all you and Lucy are going through. I am so sorry. I will look for my paperwork on Ally to pinpoint her timeline, but as I remember, it was roughly something as follows: Live trapped at 6 weeks, sores on tongue, URI, eyes gunked shut, 14 oz. -10 days Amox? for URI, gentamycin for eyes 7 weeks: gained 1/2 pound, eyes clear, URI apparently gone -received first vaccines, (in retrospect, a mistake) test FeLV+ Next 2-3 weeks: finishes 10 day course of Amox., URI returns Switch to Clavamox, URI returns whenever we try to stop it. Eyes remain clean and healthy. 8 or 9 weeks: Notice scattering of teensy black dots in left ear. I rub them off and they don't return. Not earmites. I think it was the FIP putting holes in her capillaries. The next day her other ear is bright red. Vet gives panalog ointment, it does little to help. Appetite starts to lessen. Activity does too, but I don't notice at first because she just seems less aggresive, still very alert and bright-eyed. 10-12 weeks: Appetite and weight gain bad enough that I am syringe- feeding, although some days she does eat on her own. Spikes a high fever (106?) which comes down with steroids from the vet. I notice her belly swelling slightly at about 10.5 weeks, mention it to the vet, who doesn't see it. I start asking questions about FIP before the vet mentions it. She wants to do steroids and wait and see. Fever returns, doesn't respond as well to steroids or antibiotics. She goes between fever eyes and feeling better. Spends a lot of time cuddling (for warmth?) and purring. Belly develops a classic FIP look over the weekend. When the fever is down, she doesn't appear to be suffering, but when it is up, she looks terrible. Weight gain is just from fluid, anorexia is now apparent, spine protrudes in knobs from her back. I spent most of her last nite holding her on my chest, took her in when the vet opened for pts. She was in that inward fever stare and didn't seem aware of her surroundings. I will have to look at my records to see exactly what she was getting at the vets, she may have had a vitamin B shot at the first fever, along with prednisolone, but I'm not sure. I think that from the time her belly first looked swollen to me, to the end was only about 1.5 to 2 weeks. Your Lucy is bigger and stronger and has had much more knowledgeable care from you, she seems to be hanging in there better. I think I have read that FOI works better for wet FIP than for dry, I am so hoping that that is the case for Lucy. As far as making her comfortable, I don't think the big belly is painful for them, but the fevers make them feel awful. Controlling those as best you can and giving her a choice of warm and cool places to lay (as you have been) seems to me to be the most comforting thing you can do. And letting her curl-up on top of you when she wants. The amount of care and devotion you have shown to her through the IBD problems has been an inspiration to me. I hope that I can muster something like the same strength when my Will starts to have problems. I wish like anything you were not going through this. Hugs, Beth
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Kelley, Missy will be in my prayers. She's such a pretty little girl! Lance On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
She is so pretty! Prayers and healing thoughts to you and Missy. Elizabeth On 2/1/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
oh, a little coonie-look-a-like! she's exquisite GLOW heading your way. On 2/1/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Kelley, Did the vet mention anything about the possibility of surgery helping Missy? I don't know anything about CHF, but the diagnosis you've outlined sounds an awful lot like what my ex-husband heard when he adopted a little stray kitten. He opted for surgery and she came through with flying colors. I guess it's becoming more and more common to do surgery on cats with heart problems. It was quite costly, but his little girl is about a year old now with no further problems. Others on the list have mentioned a group for cats with heart ailments, have you joined one yet? Of course Missy is in my prayers and thoughts. You know how I feel about that little darling of yours, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Hi Nina, I'm surprised to hear that. Everyone I have talked to - the cardiologist, the internist, the Yahoo heart group - says they are not doing surgery on cats and that they don't do well at all with heart lung machines. They say even dogs only have about a 5% survival rate with this surgery. I'd put a 2nd mortgage on my house for Missy, but not if she has a 99% likelihood of dying. Is it possible to get more info from your ex? Maybe a hospital in a different state... Yes, I'm on the Yahoo heart group. They are really nice there, not as nice as here of course:) On 2/1/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Did the vet mention anything about the possibility of surgery helping Missy? I don't know anything about CHF, but the diagnosis you've outlined sounds an awful lot like what my ex-husband heard when he adopted a little stray kitten. He opted for surgery and she came through with flying colors. I guess it's becoming more and more common to do surgery on cats with heart problems. It was quite costly, but his little girl is about a year old now with no further problems. Others on the list have mentioned a group for cats with heart ailments, have you joined one yet? Of course Missy is in my prayers and thoughts. You know how I feel about that little darling of yours, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: OT - Please pray for Missy
She's gorgeous! Here are vibes that you and the vet can find a way to get her healthy! Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:23 PM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Please pray for Missy Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
i've just been asked to provide hospice care for a young (3-5 years old) persian with a peritoneal-pericardial hernia, and have been told basically the same thing--that while the surgery itself is technically POSSIBLE, it would probably kill him... he's at a good weight, only has occasional mild trouble breathing--but with his intestines up around his lungs and heart, there's no way of knowing when or if they'll shift and, well, you get the picture. he doesn't need any meds or special care per se (tho agility training is definitely not an option--sorry, but my warped sense of humor is the only way i survive) the rest of his furry family are going on a long-distance transport, but they don't think he'd survive it so he's one that i will just love to death. MC On 2/1/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina, I'm surprised to hear that. Everyone I have talked to - the cardiologist, the internist, the Yahoo heart group - says they are not doing surgery on cats and that they don't do well at all with heart lung machines. They say even dogs only have about a 5% survival rate with this surgery. I'd put a 2nd mortgage on my house for Missy, but not if she has a 99% likelihood of dying. Is it possible to get more info from your ex? Maybe a hospital in a different state... Yes, I'm on the Yahoo heart group. They are really nice there, not as nice as here of course:) On 2/1/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Did the vet mention anything about the possibility of surgery helping Missy? I don't know anything about CHF, but the diagnosis you've outlined sounds an awful lot like what my ex-husband heard when he adopted a little stray kitten. He opted for surgery and she came through with flying colors. I guess it's becoming more and more common to do surgery on cats with heart problems. It was quite costly, but his little girl is about a year old now with no further problems. Others on the list have mentioned a group for cats with heart ailments, have you joined one yet? Of course Missy is in my prayers and thoughts. You know how I feel about that little darling of yours, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Something is going on with my email. I didn't see Kelley's response until MC answered it. I'll contact my ex and get more information for you. He lives in Las Vegas NV. The way he talked to me about it, it seemed that his vet was very sure that his kitten had a good chance at survival. Maybe I'm way off here and it wasn't the same sort of problem. It definitely was heart surgery though. I'll let you know what he says. Nina TenHouseCats wrote: i've just been asked to provide hospice care for a young (3-5 years old) persian with a peritoneal-pericardial hernia, and have been told basically the same thing--that while the surgery itself is technically POSSIBLE, it would probably kill him... he's at a good weight, only has occasional mild trouble breathing--but with his intestines up around his lungs and heart, there's no way of knowing when or if they'll shift and, well, you get the picture. he doesn't need any meds or special care per se (tho agility training is definitely not an option--sorry, but my warped sense of humor is the only way i survive) the rest of his furry family are going on a long-distance transport, but they don't think he'd survive it so he's one that i will just love to death. MC On 2/1/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina, I'm surprised to hear that. Everyone I have talked to - the cardiologist, the internist, the Yahoo heart group - says they are not doing surgery on cats and that they don't do well at all with heart lung machines. They say even dogs only have about a 5% survival rate with this surgery. I'd put a 2nd mortgage on my house for Missy, but not if she has a 99% likelihood of dying. Is it possible to get more info from your ex? Maybe a hospital in a different state... Yes, I'm on the Yahoo heart group. They are really nice there, not as nice as here of course:)
RE: OT - Please pray for Missy
Kelly, I clicked on Missy's pic, and remembered her from last time I looked -- she is just adorable. I'm sending her lots of healing vibes. You are both in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:23 PM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Please pray for Missy Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
