date:20121005

Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ (was President)

2012-10-05 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Either try a serum from Dr. Chachoua or give pain meds, if they would help.
 Is it in her lungs?   If fluid is building up around them from the cancer,
then have them tapped often enough so she is not in respiratory distress.
Cats really do not handle that well.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Edna Taylor  wrote:

>  All very valid points.  Maybe I am one of those weird folks who
> just doesn't get angry or upset if someone votes a different way.  I guess
> that is why I always thought it was odd that people get so mad about
> politics or religion, cause I just don't care one way or the other ;)
>
> *Also, any suggestions on making SuzieQ's last days comfortable (I posted
> about her yesterday, 2-3 year old, cancer, no cure, caused from exposure
> to FeLuk even though she was able to shed the virus, etc.)*
>
> --
> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:16:13 -0700
> From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
>
> I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything
> except to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes.  However,
> let me just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view
> it.  Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and
> major wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table.  We all
> have opinions.  If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the
> freshly painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a
> Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we
> state our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for
> being able to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the
> day.  But just start a thread in a group about politics in an election year
> and all h*** breaks loose.  Even if half the list is in agreement that one
> or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes
> bananas and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word.
> Unfortunately this is because most people don't use logic and research to
> pick a candidate.  So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep
> inside that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but
> they are not going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma,
> granddad never voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections
> are based on who can sell the product better and the prejudice of the
> voters for or against the actual person.  I don't mean color or ethnic
> group although that also comes into the mix.  What I mean is that no one
> even goes to check out the facts.  Like we are now having a problem with
> whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car.  Or in the
> past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether he
> was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from
> thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how
> much money  the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price
> of gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue
> important to our daily lives.  If I spend an hour doing a search on how
> many bills were passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away
> something for me, I would do much better as an informed voter than if I
> spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate.
> This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an opinion that
> does not match ours.  We are not really solidly informed before we take the
> opinion in the first place.  Like standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid
> that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream loud
> and long enough, we won't lose our balance.  Maybe we should just stick to
> cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer.
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
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> *From:* Terri Brown 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] President
>
>  This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Lorrie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] President
>
> It is true.
>
> On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
> >I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
> >
> >Terri
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Advantage is safer than is Revolution for cats, or so my then-vet said.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM,  wrote:

> I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE
> APPLICATION POINT.  THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE.  NOT TOO FOUND
> OF THAT.  VET AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT.
>
>  Lee Evans  wrote:
> > I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds.  The ones who are on
> the cat die.  The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die.  The
> ones who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune
> to a product?  Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to
> reproduce.  But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way.  Some
> are good for treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some
> have mange, worm prevention also, Revolution.  I have not had good results
> with Revolution on fleas although it's great for preventing mange and
> sometimes reducing infestation of earmites.  I find that Advantage is also
> good for heavy flea infestation but I haven't tried it yet.  I have
> Frontline Plus right now and am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers
> and panthers.
>
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Beth 
> To: FeLV Talk 
> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I Googled before & did again. The only thing I can find is that some
> cats are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so
> careful about dosages.
> The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid & heartworm larvae -
> Moxidectin
>
> Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year.
> I've heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep
> the fleas from becoming immune to the
>  meds.
>
> Beth
>
>
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Maureen Olvey 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
>
>
>
> It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt
> they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the
> dog multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know
> it's out there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what
> ingredient is bad and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that
> ingredient in there and tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd
> go back and look it up if I had time but I've got to get back to work cause
> the CPAs will be here Monday to audit the books for my company.
>
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
> Twain
>
>
>
> 
>  Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
>
>
> Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working
>
>
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Maureen Olvey 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
>
>
>
> Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.
> Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the
> "Multi."  Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously
> the cat "Multi" is okay.
>
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
> Twain
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Joslin Potter

I agree, my girlfriend went to vet in dispair trying to find something to help 
her cats rid of the fleas and they offered her a discount for Revolution, once 
upon her cats they too began losing their fur at the site of application, what 
was worse some of them were fighting her to put on so it was patchy. It's still 
not grown in correctly like before.

 


 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products
  
I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION 
POINT.  THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE.  NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT.  VET 
AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT.

 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds.  The ones who are on the 
> cat die.  The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die.  The ones 
> who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a 
> product?  Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce.  
> But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way.  Some are good for 
> treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm 
> prevention also, Revolution.  I have not had good results with Revolution on 
> fleas although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing 
> infestation of earmites.  I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea 
> infestation but I haven't tried it yet.  I have Frontline Plus right now and 
> am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers and panthers.


 
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From: Beth 
To: FeLV Talk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products





Well I Googled before & did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats 
are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful 
about dosages.
The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid & heartworm larvae - 
Moxidectin

Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've 
heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas 
from becoming immune to the
meds.

Beth


 
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From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products



It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working


 
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From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products



Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

You sound like an intelligent person.  You are right.  I know people in my 
community who vote democrate or repoublican just because everyone in their 
family has always voted that way.  They never stop to ask themselves if the 
candidate is right or wrong.  I go for the guy who sees things as I do, don't 
care about party, etc.  Besides, both parties have had a hand in messing things 
up so no one can really point the finger of blame on the other.


 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except 
> to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes.  However, let me 
> just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it.  
> Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major 
> wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table.  We all have 
> opinions.  If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly 
> painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a 
> Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we state 
> our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for being able 
> to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the day.  But just 
> start a thread in a group about politics in an election year and all h*** 
> breaks loose.  Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another 
> candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas
>  and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word.  Unfortunately 
> this is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a 
> candidate.  So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside 
> that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not 
> going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never 
> voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who 
> can sell the product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against 
> the actual person.  I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also 
> comes into the mix.  What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the 
> facts.  Like we are now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog 
> carrier to the top of his car.  Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a 
> citizen of the United States, or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are 
> all smoke screens to keep people from thinking about real issues,
>  like the price of food constantly going up, how much money  the oil 
> companies are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time 
> someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue  important to our daily 
> lives.  If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by 
> the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do 
> much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about 
> Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate.  This, I think, is why we get 
> angry with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours.  We are not 
> really solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place.  Like 
> standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and 
> lying to ourselves that if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our 
> balance.  Maybe we should just stick to cats and trade information on how to 
> make their lives better and longer.


 
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 From: Terri Brown 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
 

 
This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
- Original Message - 
>From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59  AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
>
>It is true.  
>
>On 10-04, Terri Brown 
  wrote:
>>    I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but 
  it's not true.
>> 
>>    Terri
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

One thing I have heard that was negative, was about vets who want to put cats 
down because of FELV.  i think many of them just are not up to date and 
sometimes they are afraid to try something new/different.  If a vet says put 
them down, I just don't go back to him/her and look for someone who is willing 
to try .  If I want to spend the money, then let me.  If I get too far down the 
self sacrificing "look what I am doing for my cat" road then the doctor needs 
to set me straight.  My vet will do this for me.  If he thinks I am getting 
carried away, he gently asks me if I am doing it for myself or the cat.  That 
makes me think .  That is one of the reasons he is there, to help me think 
straight.  We all need other's opinions to help us in making decisions 
sometimes and sometimes those opinions may seem a bit harsh, but necessary.


 Kelley S  wrote: 
> I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
> - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
> because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone wrote:
> 
> > I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
> > 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
> > leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
> > do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
> > they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
> > beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
> > the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
> > and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> > Of *Lee Evans
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
> > get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
> > over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
> > same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
> > "cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
> > rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
> > those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
> > a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
> > a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
> > and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
> >
> > If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
> > discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
> > with your issue.  Blessings.
> >
> > ** **
> >
> >  
> >
> > *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> > neighbors too!*
> >
> > ** **
> > --
> >
> > *From:* Elizabeth Malone 
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
> > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
> > people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
> > happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
> > people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
> > those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
> > helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
> > get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
> > away from what brought all to the list in the first place.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new 
ideas, makes people think?  No, we should not get nasty, but especially 
declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat.  Isn't it better to find a 
solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it.  Then 
we can corrrect the situation.  One thing I have learned thru the years is that 
most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of 
understanding.


 Kelley S  wrote: 
> I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
> to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
> been creeping in for a long, long time.
> 
> Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
> least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
> parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
> adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
> Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
> which is kind of my point about judgement.
> 
> And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
> fighting and judging.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh  wrote:
> 
> >I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
> > to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
> > but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete 
> > key.I
> > t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
> > points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
> > same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)
> >
> > 
> >
> > I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
> > dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
> > this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
> > than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
> > compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
> > all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
> > focus will quickly be redirected.**
> >
> > **
> > Cindy**
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> > Of *Kelley S
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> >
> > 
> >
> > I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
> > life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
> > because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
> > *
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
> > 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
> > leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
> > do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
> > they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
> > beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
> > the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
> > and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
> >
> >  
> >
> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> > Of *Lee Evans
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> >
> >  
> >
> > Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
> > get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
> > over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
> > same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
> > "cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
> > rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
> > those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
> > a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
> > a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
> > and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
> >
> > If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
> > discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
> > with your issue.  Blessings.
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> > neighbors too!*
> >
> >  
> >   --
> >
> > *From:* Elizabeth Malone 
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg


When I started with the group, I got so many replys to my HELP cry that I lost 
my fear of this disease.  So much positive information from people who know it 
from experience, not what they have read.  THANK YOU to everyone for giving me 
the courage to keep my girls and giving myself and them a chance at life and 
love that never would have been had I euthanized them.

 Christiane Biagi  wrote: 
> This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. 
> And I know irs helped sooo many people!

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Elizabeth Malone  wrote:

>My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
>was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
>difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
>when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
>reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
>that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
>vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
>cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
>vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
>cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
>this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
>share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
>here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
>knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
>was told, because there are treatments. 
>
> 
>
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Natalie
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
>have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
>gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
>just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
>one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
>nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
>in a lull.
>
>Natalie
>
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Kelley S
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
>- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
>because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  
>
>On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
>wrote:
>
>I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
>2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
>leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
>do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
>they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
>beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
>the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
>and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
>
> 
>
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
>Evans
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
>get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
>over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
>same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
>"cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
>rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
>those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
>a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
>a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
>discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
>
>If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
>discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
>with your issue.  Blessings.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
>neighbors too!
>
> 
>
>  _  
>
>From: Elizabeth Malone 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
>people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
>happening to thi

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg


yOU ARE RIGHT.  Everything we do concerns our ability to care for ourselves and 
our cats.  I was elieved when I got my electric bill today, only $66.00.  It 
was not too high this summer as I am in the woods and get a good breeze, but I 
am afraid we are going to have a winter like our summer and the heat bill will 
go sky high.  Looking for a way to earn extra $$ so can pay property taxes and 
insurance on house,car and health.  These are the budget busters.

 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> 
In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
 diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by 
Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto 
Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was
 taking him to the vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the 
hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, 
don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I 
saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats 
differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally
 on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT 
listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or 
other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing
 silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be 
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our 
heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the 
vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we
 are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social 
Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut 
down on food for myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat in 
the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my 
cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are 
cat limits.  Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be
 in dire straits.  So it is very important to my cats who I vote for.  
And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me 
also.  If the
 NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are 
in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on 
weekends and it makes me tremble.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION 
POINT.  THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE.  NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT.  VET 
AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT.

 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds.  The ones who are on the 
> cat die.  The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die.  The ones 
> who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a 
> product?  Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce.  
> But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way.  Some are good for 
> treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm 
> prevention also, Revolution.  I have not had good results with Revolution on 
> fleas although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing 
> infestation of earmites.  I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea 
> infestation but I haven't tried it yet.  I have Frontline Plus right now and 
> am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers and panthers.


 
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 From: Beth 
To: FeLV Talk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products
 




Well I Googled before & did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats 
are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful 
about dosages.
The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid & heartworm larvae - 
Moxidectin

Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've 
heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas 
from becoming immune to the
 meds.

Beth


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 

 
It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


 
Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

Problem is that there are so many rumors floating around in print and cyber 
space that it makes it hard to discren the truth.


 Diane Rosenfeldt  wrote: 
> We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off
> the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that
> political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the
> Republican health care plan.
> 
>  
> 
> Diane R.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Terri Brown
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
> 
>  
> 
> This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: Lorrie   
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> 
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM
> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
> 
>  
> 
> It is true.  
> 
> On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
> >I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
> > 
> >Terri
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg


If he is just being over cautous, then he is okay.  I would rather answer a 
dozen questions and not miss a problem in the making than the other way.

 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> Right now I'm sticking with my current vet because he's a good diagnostician 
> and also gives me rescue rates. I think the problem with him is that he's 
> afraid to miss a symptom that might actually be from FIV or FeLv so he keeps 
> asking about the cats.  He knows that I rescue hard cases.  His wife who also 
> practices with him is totally OK with the FIV/FeLv types and rarely even asks 
> because she knows I will tell her if I have a worry that the illness may be 
> due to the disorder.


 
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 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
 
Find another vet like your old one.  Keep looking until you find one.


 Beth  wrote: 
> My current vet & my previous vet all treat the symptoms like they would any 
> other cat, but I know plenty who don't.

Beth


 
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From: Lee Evans 
To: felvtalk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?


One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
>  anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There 
>is one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did 
>this and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I 
>would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he 
>would treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or 
>whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the 
>test, remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection." and that 
>would be it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were 
>like that.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread longhornfans

My cats have been prescribed Interceptor for heartworms caused by mosquitos. We 
get them inside our house occasionally - but it only takes one bite. Granted 
dogs get heartworms more often but vets are seeing an increase in cats. My 
question is do you think Interceptor is safe for cats?

Thanks!
Lynda
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From: 
Sender: "Felvtalk" 
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:08:27 
To: 
Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

For some reason, my pride has not had a problem with fleas or ticks.  Don't 
know if the extreme heat killed them off or what.  Now that we are getting some 
rain, mosquitos are getting to be a problem at dusk and early am so the cats 
only go out at midday.  When we are all out, the mosquitos seem to prefer me to 
the cats.  Found out that my old fashioned lye soap made with Jewelweed cuts 
the itching down.  The heat killed my jewelweed off this year so I am going to 
make a rain garden for it.  Then it will have enuogh moisture to grow good.

 Beth  wrote: 
> That would be a lot of baths.And a huge emergency bill for my wounds.

Joslin Potter  wrote:

>
>Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap 
>and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house 
>bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting 
>greasy drops on my pets.
> 
>
>
> From: Cindy McHugh 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
>  
>
>I 
>bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
>ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
>that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
>recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area 
>were 
>building an immunity to it.  
> 
>I 
>switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
>source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
>with 
>no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 
>treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
>http://www.fleakiller.co/ 
> 
>I 
>have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
>customer.  
> 
>Cindy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg


There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds.  I am having enough 
problems in deciding to vaccinate or not.  I have a couple who never go outside 
so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old.  I 
am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good.  The 
others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck 
laying in the sun.  Rabies is required here, but not the others.  I do give the 
negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives.

 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific
> sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with
> bacteria and abx).
> 
> I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for
> cats, but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea infestation that
> was spreading a red blood cell parasite and taking down the one who
> originally had it.   When I had some pound kitties come in with fleas, I
> only had to give them one Capstar (works for one day and kills only adult
> fleas).
> 
> In both instances, I also cleaned up the floor--which harbors 90% of the
> fleas (in egg/larvae form)--with a solution of food-grade (note NOT pool
> grade) diatomaceous earth, water, and non-toxic soap.   I have concrete
> floors, so I just painted this on.   (When I use DE dry, it messes up my
> sinuses and causes headaches, and isn't that good for kitty lungs, either.)
>   I have not had a problem for 2--3 years now.   If you have carpets, I've
> read that vacuuming every day (and disposing of the bag or emptying the
> canister) will also get most of the eggs.   You can also sprinkle DE or
> salt onto the carpet, brush it in, and leave for a day before vacuuming.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Joslin Potter  wrote:
> 
> > Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap
> > and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house
> > bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then
> > putting greasy drops on my pets.
> >
> >*From:* Cindy McHugh 
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
> >
> >I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was
> > completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned
> > it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular)
> > said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas
> > in our area were building an immunity to it.
> >
> >  I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I
> > found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a
> > year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for
> > small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the
> > company is http://www.fleakiller.co/
> >
> >  I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very
> > satisfied customer.
> >
> >  Cindy
> >
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> 
> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> 
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
> life.  Contact your local pound for information.
> 
> 
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> to free up cage space.
> 
> 
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> implementing the No Kill Equation:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
> 
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
> http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
> 
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
> 
> More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
> 
> More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
> http://vimeo.com/48445902
> 
> 
> 
> Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg


I would need a transfusion every time I tried to bathe my guys!

 GRAS  wrote: 
> Remember that there are some cats that you cannot bathe, no matter what! It 
> is important to keep the soap on for about 5 minutes!  Didsolve the little 
> bugger’s waxy coating!  Natalie
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Joslin Potter
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
> 
>  
> 
> Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea 
> comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It 
> sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy 
> drops on my pets.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Cindy McHugh 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
> ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
> that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
> recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area 
> were building an immunity to it. 
> 
>  
> 
> I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
> source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
> with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats 
> or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
> http://www.fleakiller.co/
> 
>  
> 
> I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very 
> satisfied customer. 
> 
>  
> 
> Cindy
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

For some reason, my pride has not had a problem with fleas or ticks.  Don't 
know if the extreme heat killed them off or what.  Now that we are getting some 
rain, mosquitos are getting to be a problem at dusk and early am so the cats 
only go out at midday.  When we are all out, the mosquitos seem to prefer me to 
the cats.  Found out that my old fashioned lye soap made with Jewelweed cuts 
the itching down.  The heat killed my jewelweed off this year so I am going to 
make a rain garden for it.  Then it will have enuogh moisture to grow good.


 Beth  wrote: 
> That would be a lot of baths.And a huge emergency bill for my wounds.

Joslin Potter  wrote:

>
>Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap 
>and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house 
>bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting 
>greasy drops on my pets.
> 
>
>
> From: Cindy McHugh 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
>  
>
>I 
>bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
>ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
>that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
>recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area 
>were 
>building an immunity to it.  
> 
>I 
>switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
>source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
>with 
>no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 
>treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
>http://www.fleakiller.co/ 
> 
>I 
>have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
>customer.  
> 
>Cindy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

Right now I'm sticking with my current vet because he's a good diagnostician 
and also gives me rescue rates. I think the problem with him is that he's 
afraid to miss a symptom that might actually be from FIV or FeLv so he keeps 
asking about the cats.  He knows that I rescue hard cases.  His wife who also 
practices with him is totally OK with the FIV/FeLv types and rarely even asks 
because she knows I will tell her if I have a worry that the illness may be due 
to the disorder.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

Find another vet like your old one.  Keep looking until you find one.

 Beth  wrote: 
> My current vet & my previous vet all treat the symptoms like they would any 
> other cat, but I know plenty who don't.

Beth

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From: Lee Evans 
To: felvtalk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
>  anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There 
>is one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did 
>this and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I 
>would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he 
>would treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or 
>whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the 
>test, remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection." and that 
>would be it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were 
>like that.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg


According to the investigator for the Humand Society here in eastrn Missouri, 
when he is called to investigate a charge of animal abuse, he ends up reporting 
the people on child abuse.  The 2 seems to go hand in hand.

 Natalie  wrote: 
> Yes, definitely some people should have been spayed/neutered!
> 
> The least requirement would be some kind of a course on child-rearing and 
> responsible parenting.
> 
> I wouldn’t adopt to just anyone – therefore, why should morons have babies 
> and abuse or ignore them?
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Joslin Potter
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:08 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting
> 
>  
> 
> That is horrible, those poor children. Thank God for their Grandparents, it's 
> too bad however, that Grandma and Grandpa can't enjoy them like they are 
> supposed too... WTH is up with people?
> 
>  
> 
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting
> 
> 
> I would like to spay/neuter a lot of the "intelligent" human population.  
> They also treat their children the same way.  i know of one who feeds her 
> children cereal because they can get that by themselves.  She would prefer to 
> do her heroin instead of cooking.  She is now in prison and her children stay 
> with grandparents or roam the streets.
> 
> 
>  Natalie  wrote: 
> > Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, 
> > they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife 
> > and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times 
> > throughout the year, as they do now.  It does happen to most wildlife, but 
> > obviously very differently, depending on the species.  
> > 
> > It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore.  I 
> > doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would be 
> > that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a 
> > waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of 
> > healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds 
> > is unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think 
> > much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same 
> > thing.  People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their 
> > pets, and many are still total jerks!  Those of us who do rescue, are 
> > paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible 
> > behavior, because we care.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Kathryn Hargreaves
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Does this happen with all species?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral 
> > cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's 
> > probably better to try to get numbers down.  I prefer the methods some used 
> > with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with 
> > their hormones by taking out the sex organs.  That said, we're real good at 
> > exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS  wrote:
> > 
> > It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a 
> > biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm 
> > counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb 
> > their fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because 
> > they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich 
> > hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of 
> > food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.
> > 
> > The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have 
> > been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them 
> > out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them 
> > to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be 
> > (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.
> > 
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Kathryn Hargreaves
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM
> > 
> > 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
> > 
> > Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species 
> > will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, 
> > despite predation (of any sort).  This is why if you want to reduce a 
> > species' population, you have to st

Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg


Amen to that!  My vet and I watch Annie and Nitnoy and they get a blood panel 
each year to be sure their immune system is where it should be.  When something 
looks abnormal, then my vet said we can get at it before it becomes a problem.

 Lynda Wilson  wrote: 
> I’m grateful to have found a compassionate, and very knowledgeable vet. When 
> we move, I’m still going to use her. Good vets are hard to find.
> 
> From: GRAS 
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
> 
> My vet actually treats those cats in a “special” way, knowing that their 
> immune systems are compromised..
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> molvey...@hotmail.com
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:57 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
> 
>  
> 
> Yep, I've run into vets like that too and it pisses me off.  In a nice way I 
> let them know that I want the cat treated as though he didn't have a disease. 
> In several cases I just haven't ever gone back to those vets.  Or I'll go 
> back to throw it in their face that a simple round of Clavamox took care of 
> the situation and the cat is fine.  Some of them just haven't had enough 
> experience to know that FIV and FeLV doesn't always make a simple illness 
> worse and I want them to know and see it for themselves so they don't tell 
> their next client to put the cat down just because he's got FIV or FeLV.
> 
> Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Lee Evans" 
> To: "felvtalk" 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
> Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:00 am
> 
>  
> 
> One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
> the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI 
> and the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ 
> or FIV+ cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office 
> and it's not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And 
> most of the time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these 
> two disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
> diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times 
> I have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along 
> with the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  
> I find this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs 
> cats are being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less 
> appropriate treatment than my regular cats.  Has anyone noticed this problem 
> with their feline health care provider?  There is one vet who I used for 15 
> years until I moved 50 miles away that never did this and never made me feel 
> that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would bring in my FIV+ and 
> FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he would treat the others.  
> Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, was FIV+ or Taco 
> was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the test, remember? But this is 
> just an upper respiratory infection." and that would be it.  Shot given, 
> pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

Non cat people just don't get it.  I think they also are thinking more of 
themselves than the cat.  They just do not want to go to the trouble and puting 
the cat to sleep is a way out for them.  They can appear as caring, loving 
people.  My 2 girls have been with me for 5 years now and are healthy and 
happy.  If I had listened to the naysayers, I would have put them down the day 
I found out they were positive.  Until the day they truly become ill and their 
life is filled with pain and no joy, they will continue to live with me and 
enjoy life.


 Joslin Potter  wrote: 
> When we found out Zoey was + with FeLV I automatically thought like what your 
> describing, he was going to have to be laid to rest, however, my vet was very 
> optimistic and caring. She assured me that things were going to be fine, 
> different, but fine. Thye stood by my decision to keep him alive, they would 
> call once a month to check in on him, and always were very accomidating in 
> providing care at a decent price. However a few weeks ago when we took him 
> in, before putting him down, she even shed a tear herself that he was in a 
> lot of pain, and they could treat him but it didn't look like he was going to 
> stay better. So, we made the decision. 
 
But you are correct. A lot of people even that when we told them that Zoey was 
"special" they would ask why? Why would you want a cat tat was sick like that 
and I've even been called Selfish for letting him suffer, however the first 
year was a little ruff, but the three years later, up until 6 months before we 
put him down, you couldn't even tell.
 
- Joslin
 


 From: Lee Evans 
To: felvtalk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
  

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
>  anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There 
> is one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did 
> this and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I 
> would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he 
> would treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or 
> whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the 
> test, remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection." and that 
> would be it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were 
> like that.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread dlgegg

Find another vet like your old one.  Keep looking until you find one.


 Beth  wrote: 
> My current vet & my previous vet all treat the symptoms like they would any 
> other cat, but I know plenty who don't.

Beth


 
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 From: Lee Evans 
To: felvtalk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
 

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
>  anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There 
> is one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did 
> this and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I 
> would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he 
> would treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or 
> whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the 
> test, remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection." and that 
> would be it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were 
> like that.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Deleting posts

2012-10-05 Thread Sharyl

I have to agree with Beth.  I also delete messages with an OT subject line 
which lately has been most of the messages.  Only reason I checked this one is 
I thought a member was having problems deleting posts.
 
Sharyl
 


 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deleting posts
  
On 10-05, Beth wrote:
>    It has sadly gotten to the point where I delete 90% of the emails I get
>    from this list without even reading them.

I'm sorry you feel this way Beth.  I LOVE this group. I'm a member of
five yahoo cat groups and this one is my absolute favorite.

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> 
>    From: Lynda Wilson 
>    To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>    Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:01 PM
>    Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive kitties
>    You are correct, letâs get back on to the subject and help people that
>    need to hear our experiences with this horrible disease. We need to get
>    back on track and help people help their fur babies that they love so
>    much. We know that itâs hard to find a vet that has the knowledge and
>    is willing to help their patients without the first thought of putting
>    them to sleep.  We need to keep getting the word out that there is hope
>    for them. They can live long, happy, healthy lives. Please continue to
>    share your stories and experiences of what meds have worked and what
>    has not.  We are here for those precious cats that love us
>    unconditionally.  They are better than humans.
> 
>    Now back to the subject that matters mosthelping others.
> 
>    From: [2]Elizabeth Malone
>    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:38 PM
>    To: [3]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>    Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> 
>    This list has always been so very helpfulânow it is full of judgmental
>    people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
>    happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not
>    many people all over the world huntâthey are all condemned because
>    there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What
>    happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People
>    that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that
>    this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the
>    first place.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

I just went to the home page.  WOW!  This is wonderful.  Per cat it comes out 
to be less than a dollar a dose.  I'm sending this page on to a rescuer who is 
not on this list but runs a rescued cat shelter and adoption center.  Thanks 
for mentioning it.


 
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 From: Cindy McHugh 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 

I 
bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were 
building an immunity to it. 
 
I 
switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
with 
no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 
treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
www.fleakiller.co
 
I 
have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
customer. 
 
Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine 
called Ciproheptadine.  I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an 
appetite stimulant.

I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one.  If you want more 
information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's 
Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease.  The URL is: 
www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm  There are some other hints on getting an 
anorexic cat to chow down also.




 
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 From: Edna Taylor 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 

 
I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :(  Thank 
you :)  Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :(
 

> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400
> From: ti...@mindspring.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> 
> You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). 
> Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. 
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
> 
> Edna Taylor  wrote:
> 
> >
> >Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about 
> >anti-nausea meds
> > From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know 
> >how picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats 
> >like canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a 
> >hit.  You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with 
> >Fancy Feast that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're 
> >eating good they'll loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer 
> >keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or 
> >something like that so basically a person with cancer can become 
> >malnourished even though they're eating good.
> > 
> >They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat 
> >if she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but 
> >another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard 
> >about that through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members 
> >like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he 
> >thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the 
> >other because the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the 
> >Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your 
> >prescription.  Local pharmacies might have it too.  I think that's where I 
> >ended up getting it.  My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney 
> >failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never 
> >got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. 
> > 
> >Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you 
> >might not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only 
> >wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give 
> >her is enough to keep her happy.
> >
> >
> >“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> >profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> >unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> >sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: taylore...@msn.com
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She 
> >is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike 
> >dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat 
> >burgers and fries.
> > 
> >The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
> >trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
> >acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big 
> >mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(
> > 
> >I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town 
> >so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take 
> >care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Give SusieQ lots of pain

Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

That would be a lot of baths.And a huge emergency bill for my wounds.

Joslin Potter  wrote:

>
>Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap 
>and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house 
>bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting 
>greasy drops on my pets.
> 
>
>
> From: Cindy McHugh 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
>  
>
>I 
>bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
>ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
>that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
>recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area 
>were 
>building an immunity to it.  
> 
>I 
>switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
>source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
>with 
>no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 
>treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
>http://www.fleakiller.co/ 
> 
>I 
>have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
>customer.  
> 
>Cindy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Natalie

Has anyone used the friendly nematodes to spray around the house?  That’s all 
we use – except for a new cat coming in with fleas – they get zapped with it 
only once, period!

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

 

I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific 
sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with bacteria 
and abx).  

 

I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for cats, 
but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea infestation that was 
spreading a red blood cell parasite and taking down the one who originally had 
it.   When I had some pound kitties come in with fleas, I only had to give them 
one Capstar (works for one day and kills only adult fleas).

 

In both instances, I also cleaned up the floor--which harbors 90% of the fleas 
(in egg/larvae form)--with a solution of food-grade (note NOT pool grade) 
diatomaceous earth, water, and non-toxic soap.   I have concrete floors, so I 
just painted this on.   (When I use DE dry, it messes up my sinuses and causes 
headaches, and isn't that good for kitty lungs, either.)   I have not had a 
problem for 2--3 years now.   If you have carpets, I've read that vacuuming 
every day (and disposing of the bag or emptying the canister) will also get 
most of the eggs.   You can also sprinkle DE or salt onto the carpet, brush it 
in, and leave for a day before vacuuming.

 

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Joslin Potter  wrote:

Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea 
comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It 
sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy 
drops on my pets.

 

From: Cindy McHugh 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

 

I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were 
building an immunity to it. 

 

I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats 
or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
http://www.fleakiller.co/

 

I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
customer. 

 

Cindy

 

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Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

 

If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 

 

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

 


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ 
 

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially 
http://vimeo.com/48445902

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Natalie

I agree, they have been very civil!  Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get
responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going
offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I
think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it
happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with,
and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47%
they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the
most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people
like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or
getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need
people in government who are interested in reaching us.

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we
would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look
up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the
vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles
occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can
switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were
and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to
get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been
on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article
copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats
doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads
above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when
needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very
money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy
as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security and Medicare
benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself
and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage
on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal
Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work and
have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside
cats and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in
the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread GRAS

Remember that there are some cats that you cannot bathe, no matter what! It is 
important to keep the soap on for about 5 minutes!  Didsolve the little 
bugger’s waxy coating!  Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea 
comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It 
sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy 
drops on my pets.

From: Cindy McHugh 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were 
building an immunity to it. 

I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats 
or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
http://www.fleakiller.co/

I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
customer. 

Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific
sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with
bacteria and abx).

I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for
cats, but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea infestation that
was spreading a red blood cell parasite and taking down the one who
originally had it.   When I had some pound kitties come in with fleas, I
only had to give them one Capstar (works for one day and kills only adult
fleas).

In both instances, I also cleaned up the floor--which harbors 90% of the
fleas (in egg/larvae form)--with a solution of food-grade (note NOT pool
grade) diatomaceous earth, water, and non-toxic soap.   I have concrete
floors, so I just painted this on.   (When I use DE dry, it messes up my
sinuses and causes headaches, and isn't that good for kitty lungs, either.)
  I have not had a problem for 2--3 years now.   If you have carpets, I've
read that vacuuming every day (and disposing of the bag or emptying the
canister) will also get most of the eggs.   You can also sprinkle DE or
salt onto the carpet, brush it in, and leave for a day before vacuuming.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Joslin Potter  wrote:

> Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap
> and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house
> bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then
> putting greasy drops on my pets.
>
>*From:* Cindy McHugh 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
>
>I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was
> completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned
> it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular)
> said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas
> in our area were building an immunity to it.
>
>  I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I
> found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a
> year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for
> small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the
> company is http://www.fleakiller.co/
>
>  I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very
> satisfied customer.
>
>  Cindy
>
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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt

Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get
responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going
offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I
think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it
happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with,
and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47%
they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the
most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people
like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or
getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need
people in government who are interested in reaching us.

 

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we
would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look
up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the
vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles
occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can
switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were
and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to
get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been
on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article
copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats
doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads
above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when
needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very
money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy
as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security and Medicare
benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself
and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage
on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal
Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work and
have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside
cats and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in
the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Joslin Potter

Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap 
and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house 
bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting 
greasy drops on my pets.

 From: Cindy McHugh 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

I 
bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were 
building an immunity to it.  

I 
switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
with 
no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 
treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
http://www.fleakiller.co/ 

I 
have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
customer.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

Thanks! I know Walmart is selling a brand that is the same ingredients as 
Frontline, but still much more than that!

Cindy McHugh  wrote:

>I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
>ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
>that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
>recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area 
>were building an immunity to it. 
>I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
>source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
>with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats 
>or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
>www.fleakiller.co
>I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
>customer. 
>Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Cindy McHugh

I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were 
building an immunity to it. 
I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats 
or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
www.fleakiller.co
I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
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[Felvtalk] FW: Asking For Advice Again

2012-10-05 Thread Natalie

Sorry, I meant to write ¼ and NOT 1/54my fingers just went crazy..

From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:51 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

I use Cyproheptadine, which I used to take as Periactin liquid, samples from
a doc friend, when I was a skinny teenager.  I use 1/54 daily for our 18+ yr
old CRF cat (hes huge!).

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:17 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite
stimulant.  Chlorpheneramine is one.  I think it's a little yellow pill if I
remember correctly.  It's better than giving cortisone which also increases
appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who has a
malignant tumor.  You need to ask your vet about this.  It has no harmful
side effects as far as I can remember.  I gave it to a cat who had terminal
salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until the end, that
and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill every week for
several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have since decided that
that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000.  Another cat who had a
tumor in a different location lived just about as long as Baby Face, without
getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing diarrhea,
fur loss and exhaustion.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

2012-10-05 Thread Natalie

I use Cyproheptadine, which I used to take as Periactin liquid, samples from
a doc friend, when I was a skinny teenager.  I use 1/54 daily for our 18+ yr
old CRF cat (he's huge!).

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:17 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

 

Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite
stimulant.  Chlorpheneramine is one.  I think it's a little yellow pill if I
remember correctly.  It's better than giving cortisone which also increases
appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who has a
malignant tumor.  You need to ask your vet about this.  It has no harmful
side effects as far as I can remember.  I gave it to a cat who had terminal
salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until the end, that
and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill every week for
several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have since decided that
that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000.  Another cat who had a
tumor in a different location lived just about as long as Baby Face, without
getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing diarrhea,
fur loss and exhaustion.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

2012-10-05 Thread molveywda

Just make sure to get her nausea taken care of.  You hate to stimulate her 
appetite but she still won't eat because she's nauseous.  Then she's hungry and 
nauseated.

You can also try Pepcid.  Just regular not Pepcid AC.   I think the anti-nausea 
meds are better but you can try that until you get them.  Pepcid is good if 
they have a lot of stomach acid too.  Cats in kidney failure tend to have that 
problem as well as nausea.

This year I've had to watch a couple cats waste away and it is a horrible 
feeling.  If you get the nausea taken care of you can assist feed her.  But 
that's something you have to decide.  Cats in kidney failure go through periods 
here and there where they don't want to eat.  Sometimes they actually get out 
of the routine of eating.  You can assist feed to get them over the hump.  
However, since Susie Q has cancer it is a different ball game.  And if the 
cancer has already comprised her liver then it may not help her to assist feed. 
 But first try the nausea meds and appetite stimulants and go from there.



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- Reply message -
From: "Edna Taylor" 
To: 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again
Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 6:26 pm
Oh, I didn't even think of that, I have used it for my other cats for that very 
thing and forgot all about it THANKS :)   I did the same thing with Miller, put 
him through horrible chemo, made his last few weeks here miserable and within 
three weeks of the first chemo treatment, he was gone :(  I vowed then that I 
would never do that again.  That is why I was asking what others do to make 
their furbabies comfortable in the end.  Miller was so miserable and I just 
made it worse and I will never forgive myself for that :(
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:17:28 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite 
stimulant.  Chlorpheneramine is one.  I think it's a little yellow pill 
if I remember correctly.  It's better than giving cortisone which also 
increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who 
has a malignant tumor.  You need to ask your vet about this.  It has no 
harmful side effects as far as I can remember.  I gave it to a cat who 
had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until
the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill 
every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have 
since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. 
Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as
long as Baby Face,
without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing
diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Oh, I didn't even think of that, I have used it for my other cats for that very 
thing and forgot all about it THANKS :)   I did the same thing with Miller, put 
him through horrible chemo, made his last few weeks here miserable and within 
three weeks of the first chemo treatment, he was gone :(  I vowed then that I 
would never do that again.  That is why I was asking what others do to make 
their furbabies comfortable in the end.  Miller was so miserable and I just 
made it worse and I will never forgive myself for that :(
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:17:28 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite 
stimulant.  Chlorpheneramine is one.  I think it's a little yellow pill 
if I remember correctly.  It's better than giving cortisone which also 
increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who 
has a malignant tumor.  You need to ask your vet about this.  It has no 
harmful side effects as far as I can remember.  I gave it to a cat who 
had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until
 the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill 
every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have 
since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. 
 Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as
 long as Baby Face,
 without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing
 diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion.

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neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt

We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off
the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that
political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the
Republican health care plan.

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Terri Brown
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.

- Original Message - 

From: Lorrie   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

It is true.  

On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
>I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
> 
>Terri
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor


I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :(  Thank 
you :)  Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :(
 > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400
> From: ti...@mindspring.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> 
> You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). 
> Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. 
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
> 
> Edna Taylor  wrote:
> 
> >
> >Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about 
> >anti-nausea meds
> > From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know 
> >how picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats 
> >like canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a 
> >hit.  You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with 
> >Fancy Feast that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're 
> >eating good they'll loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer 
> >keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or 
> >something like that so basically a person with cancer can become 
> >malnourished even though they're eating good.
> > 
> >They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat 
> >if she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but 
> >another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard 
> >about that through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members 
> >like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he 
> >thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the 
> >other because the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the 
> >Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your 
> >prescription.  Local pharmacies might have it too.  I think that's where I 
> >ended up getting it.  My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney 
> >failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never 
> >got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. 
> > 
> >Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you 
> >might not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only 
> >wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give 
> >her is enough to keep her happy.
> >
> >
> >“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> >profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> >unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> >sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: taylore...@msn.com
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She 
> >is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike 
> >dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat 
> >burgers and fries.
> > 
> >The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
> >trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
> >acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big 
> >mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(
> > 
> >I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town 
> >so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take 
> >care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my 
> >prescription.
> > 
> >I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as 
> >possible.  You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific 
> >going on right now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them 
> >nauseated.  There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good 
> >otherwise.  Do you really trust this vet?  You could always get a second 
> >opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed 
> >her.  Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something 
> >specific bothering her right now.  Heard accupuncture helps with pain and 
> >different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now.
> > 
> >If there really

[Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans


Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite 
stimulant.  Chlorpheneramine is one.  I think it's a little yellow pill 
if I remember correctly.  It's better than giving cortisone which also 
increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who 
has a malignant tumor.  You need to ask your vet about this.  It has no 
harmful side effects as far as I can remember.  I gave it to a cat who 
had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until
 the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill 
every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have 
since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. 
 Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as
 long as Baby Face,
 without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing
 diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Christiane Biagi

You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). 
Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. 

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Edna Taylor  wrote:

>
>Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about anti-nausea 
>meds
> From: molvey...@hotmail.com
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
>
>
>
>
>
>Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know how 
>picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats like 
>canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit.  
>You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with Fancy 
>Feast that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good 
>they'll loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body 
>from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like 
>that so basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though 
>they're eating good.
> 
>They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if 
>she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but 
>another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard 
>about that through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members like 
>the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he 
>thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the 
>other because the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the 
>Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your prescription.  
>Local pharmacies might have it too.  I think that's where I ended up getting 
>it.  My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would 
>have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if 
>the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. 
> 
>Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might 
>not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a 
>certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is 
>enough to keep her happy.
>
>
>“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
>profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
>unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
>sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
>
>
>
>
>From: taylore...@msn.com
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
>
>
>
>
>She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She is 
>losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike 
>dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat 
>burgers and fries.
> 
>The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
>trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
>acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass 
>in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(
> 
>I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town 
>so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take 
>care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
> 
>
>
>
>
>From: molvey...@hotmail.com
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
>
>
>
>
>Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.
> 
>I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. 
> You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on 
>right now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  
>There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do 
>you really trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's 
>any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you 
>what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right 
>now.  Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends 
>on whether she's having pain right now.
> 
>If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
>you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
>Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
>might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted 
>or anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him 
>and loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.
> 
> 
>  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produ

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

I guess that is the problem - they are survivng the treatment. They are 
surviving in droves at my house. I have to flea comb every other day.

 
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 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products
 

I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds.  The ones who are on the cat 
die.  The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die.  The ones who lay 
eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a product?  
Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce.  But it's 
probably a good idea to switch products any way.  Some are good for treating 
heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm prevention 
also, Revolution.  I have not had good results with Revolution on fleas 
although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing infestation of 
earmites.  I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea infestation but I 
haven't tried it yet.  I have Frontline Plus right now and am on my way to 
treat the little lions, tigers and panthers.


 
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 From: Beth 
To: FeLV Talk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products
 




Well I Googled before & did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats 
are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful 
about dosages.
The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid &
 heartworm larvae - Moxidectin

Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've 
heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas 
from becoming immune to the
 meds.

Beth


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 

 
It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


 
Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds.  The ones who are on the cat 
die.  The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die.  The ones who lay 
eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a product?  
Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce.  But it's 
probably a good idea to switch products any way.  Some are good for treating 
heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm prevention 
also, Revolution.  I have not had good results with Revolution on fleas 
although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing infestation of 
earmites.  I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea infestation but I 
haven't tried it yet.  I have Frontline Plus right now and am on my way to 
treat the little lions, tigers and panthers.


 
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 From: Beth 
To: FeLV Talk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products
 




Well I Googled before & did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats 
are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful 
about dosages.
The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid & heartworm larvae - 
Moxidectin

Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've 
heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas 
from becoming immune to the
 meds.

Beth


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 

 
It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


 
Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






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Re: [Felvtalk] Deleting posts

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

I'm sorry I have to. I don't have time to read all the off-cat-topic posts.I 
get hundreds of emails a day & really the last thing I want to do in my free 
time is sit at a computer.

 
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 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deleting posts
 
On 10-05, Beth wrote:
>    It has sadly gotten to the point where I delete 90% of the emails I get
>    from this list without even reading them.

I'm sorry you feel this way Beth.  I LOVE this group. I'm a member of
five yahoo cat groups and this one is my absolute favorite.

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>    Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! [21.gif]  [1]www.Furkids.org
>      __
> 
>    From: Lynda Wilson 
>    To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>    Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:01 PM
>    Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive kitties
>    You are correct, letâs get back on to the subject and help people that
>    need to hear our experiences with this horrible disease. We need to get
>    back on track and help people help their fur babies that they love so
>    much. We know that itâs hard to find a vet that has the knowledge and
>    is willing to help their patients without the first thought of putting
>    them to sleep.  We need to keep getting the word out that there is hope
>    for them. They can live long, happy, healthy lives. Please continue to
>    share your stories and experiences of what meds have worked and what
>    has not.  We are here for those precious cats that love us
>    unconditionally.  They are better than humans.
> 
>    Now back to the subject that matters mosthelping others.
> 
>    From: [2]Elizabeth Malone
>    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:38 PM
>    To: [3]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>    Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> 
>    This list has always been so very helpfulânow it is full of judgmental
>    people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
>    happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not
>    many people all over the world huntâthey are all condemned because
>    there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What
>    happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People
>    that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that
>    this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the
>    first place.
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>    2. mailto:malon...@yahoo.com
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Re: [Felvtalk] Deleting posts

2012-10-05 Thread Lorrie

On 10-05, Beth wrote:
>It has sadly gotten to the point where I delete 90% of the emails I get
>from this list without even reading them.

I'm sorry you feel this way Beth.  I LOVE this group. I'm a member of
five yahoo cat groups and this one is my absolute favorite.

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>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! [21.gif]  [1]www.Furkids.org
>  __
> 
>From: Lynda Wilson 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive kitties
>You are correct, letâs get back on to the subject and help people that
>need to hear our experiences with this horrible disease. We need to get
>back on track and help people help their fur babies that they love so
>much. We know that itâs hard to find a vet that has the knowledge and
>is willing to help their patients without the first thought of putting
>them to sleep.  We need to keep getting the word out that there is hope
>for them. They can live long, happy, healthy lives. Please continue to
>share your stories and experiences of what meds have worked and what
>has not.  We are here for those precious cats that love us
>unconditionally.  They are better than humans.
> 
>Now back to the subject that matters mosthelping others.
> 
>From: [2]Elizabeth Malone
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:38 PM
>To: [3]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> 
>This list has always been so very helpfulânow it is full of judgmental
>people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
>happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not
>many people all over the world huntâthey are all condemned because
>there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What
>happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People
>that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that
>this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the
>first place.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Lorrie

I don't understand why people don't change the subject line when
the subject changes???

On 10-05, Beth wrote:
>This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted
>this because the subject line said "President"
>The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if
>the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs
>Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or
>Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats.
>MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX
>Beth
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[Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Beth




Well I Googled before & did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats 
are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful 
about dosages.
The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid & heartworm larvae - 
Moxidectin

Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've 
heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas 
from becoming immune to the meds.

Beth


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 

 
It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


 
Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about anti-nausea 
meds
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know how 
picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats like 
canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit.  
You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with Fancy Feast 
that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll 
loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from 
absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so 
basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're 
eating good.

They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if 
she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another 
good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard about that 
through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members like the 
Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he thought 
Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because 
the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the Ondansetron from 
Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your prescription.  Local pharmacies 
might have it too.  I think that's where I ended up getting it.  My cat had 
renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, 
and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron 
was better than Cerenia. 

Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might 
not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a 
certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough 
to keep her happy.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She is 
losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike dogs, 
cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat burgers and 
fries.

The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass 
in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(

I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so 
much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care 
of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.

I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.

If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.

  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Maureen Olvey


Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know how 
picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats like 
canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit.  
You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with Fancy Feast 
that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll 
loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from 
absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so 
basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're 
eating good.
 
They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if 
she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another 
good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard about that 
through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members like the 
Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he thought 
Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because 
the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the Ondansetron from 
Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your prescription.  Local pharmacies 
might have it too.  I think that's where I ended up getting it.  My cat had 
renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, 
and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron 
was better than Cerenia. 
 
Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might 
not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a 
certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough 
to keep her happy.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She is 
losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike dogs, 
cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat burgers and 
fries.
 
The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass 
in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(
 
I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so 
much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care 
of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
 




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.
 
I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.
 
If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.
 
 
  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 











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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Maureen Olvey


It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working



 
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From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products






Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at  that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or 
two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or 
store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to 
replace.  Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful 
or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever 
you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if 
animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for 
life.




 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!










From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products




This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & 
make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG 
PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth



 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 






From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President




What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.



 
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too!

Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working


 
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 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 

 
Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at  that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that
 Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients 
added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or store brand that 
says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace.  
Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful or you 
will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever you do, 
don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if animals die 
from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life.



 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & 
make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG 
PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth


 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop 
alternatives?  The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't 
even get the drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes 
cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried 
it?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans


In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
 diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by 
Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto 
Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was
 taking him to the vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the 
hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, 
don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I 
saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats 
differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally
 on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT 
listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or 
other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing
 silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be 
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our 
heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the 
vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we
 are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social 
Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut 
down on food for myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat in 
the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my 
cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are 
cat limits.  Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be
 in dire straits.  So it is very important to my cats who I vote for.  
And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me 
also.  If the
 NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are 
in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on 
weekends and it makes me tremble.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even 
though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be 
different.  However, I understand that when we have many it is costly.  Heck, 
we brought home a kitty that had walking mange (chewing lice - lovely) and in 
an overabundance of caution we put Advantage (or Revolution, can't remember) on 
everyone and it was about $400 to dose everyone in the house - YIKES
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:48:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at  that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or 
two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or 
store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to 
replace.  Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful 
or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever 
you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if 
animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for 
life.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & 
make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG 
PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? 
 The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the 
drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes 
cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, pac

Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Maureen Olvey


Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at  that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or 
two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or 
store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to 
replace.  Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful 
or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever 
you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if 
animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for 
life.




 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!










From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products




This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & 
make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG 
PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth



 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 






From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President




What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.



 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!










From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? 
 The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the 
drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes 
cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried 
it?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor


She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She is 
losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike dogs, 
cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat burgers and 
fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I 
absolutely trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just 
wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big 
mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I 
try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so 
much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care 
of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again





Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.

 

I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.

 

If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.

 

 

  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:52:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but 
then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :)
 
Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make 
SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed 
with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was 
exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but 
there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her 
liver, etc.  Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share
 




From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone  wrote:




I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.
 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to "cool down" by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Christiane Biagi

This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. 
And I know irs helped sooo many people!

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Elizabeth Malone  wrote:

>My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
>was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
>difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
>when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
>reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
>that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
>vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
>cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
>vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
>cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
>this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
>share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
>here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
>knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
>was told, because there are treatments. 
>
> 
>
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Natalie
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
>have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
>gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
>just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
>one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
>nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
>in a lull.
>
>Natalie
>
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Kelley S
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
>- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
>because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  
>
>On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
>wrote:
>
>I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
>2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
>leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
>do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
>they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
>beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
>the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
>and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
>
> 
>
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
>Evans
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
>get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
>over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
>same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
>"cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
>rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
>those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
>a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
>a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
>discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
>
>If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
>discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
>with your issue.  Blessings.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
>neighbors too!
>
> 
>
>  _  
>
>From: Elizabeth Malone 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
>This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
>people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
>happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
>people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
>those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
>helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
>get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
>away from what brought all to the list in the first

Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Maureen Olvey


Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.
 
I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.
 
If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.
 
 
  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:52:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but 
then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :)
 
Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make 
SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed 
with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was 
exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but 
there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her 
liver, etc.  Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share
 




From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone  wrote:




I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.
 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to "cool down" by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 






From: Elizabeth Malone 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 




This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deli

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Kelley S

I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
been creeping in for a long, long time.

Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
which is kind of my point about judgement.

And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
fighting and judging.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh  wrote:

>I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
> to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
> but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I
> t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
> points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
> same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)
>
> 
>
> I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
> dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
> this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
> than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
> compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
> all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
> focus will quickly be redirected.**
>
> **
> Cindy**
>
> 
>
> 
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
> I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
> life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
> because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
> *
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
> wrote:
>
> I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
> 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
> leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
> do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
> they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
> beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
> the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
> and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Lee Evans
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>  
>
> Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
> get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
> over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
> same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
> "cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
> rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
> those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
> a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
> a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
> and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
>
> If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
> discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
> with your issue.  Blessings.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!*
>
>  
>   --
>
> *From:* Elizabeth Malone 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>  
>
> This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
> people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
> happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
> people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
> those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
> helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
> get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
> away from what brought all to the list in the first place.
>
>
> ___
> Felvtal

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Cindy McHugh

I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to 
decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when 
I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.

 

I’d hate to see hurt feelings among a group of people who are united by a 
common concern for FeLV+ cats. But I think that for the most part, those who 
have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very 
respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the 
comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)

 

I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to 
the FeLV+ kitties that need us. I do rescue and joined this group when one of 
our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve 
stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I 
don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone 
poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected.


Cindy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone  wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to "cool down" by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 




From: Elizabeth Malone 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Elizabeth Malone

My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
was told, because there are treatments. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
"cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Natalie

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
"cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor


REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but 
then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask 
again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more 
comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a 
rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to 
FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is 
nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc.  
Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share
 From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  



On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone  wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.


 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans



Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to "cool down" by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.




If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.


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From: Elizabeth Malone 



To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.



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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Kelley S

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone wrote:

> I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
> 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
> leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
> do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
> they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
> beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
> the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
> and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Lee Evans
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> ** **
>
> Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
> get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
> over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
> same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
> "cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
> rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
> those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
> a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
> a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
> and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
>
> If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
> discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
> with your issue.  Blessings.
>
> ** **
>
>  
>
> *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!*
>
> ** **
> --
>
> *From:* Elizabeth Malone 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> ** **
>
> This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
> people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
> happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
> people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
> those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
> helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
> get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
> away from what brought all to the list in the first place.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at  that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that
 Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients 
added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or store brand that 
says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace.  
Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful or you 
will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever you do, 
don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if animals die 
from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life.



 
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 From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 

This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just
 remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or 
Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats.
 MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth


 
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 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
 

What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.


 
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too!





 From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
 

I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop 
alternatives?  The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't 
even get the drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes 
cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried 
it?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just
 remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or 
Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats.
 MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth


 
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 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
 

What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.


 
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too!





 From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
 

I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop 
alternatives?  The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't 
even get the drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes 
cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

My current vet & my previous vet all treat the symptoms like they would any 
other cat, but I know plenty who don't.

Beth


 
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 From: Lee Evans 
To: felvtalk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
 

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
 anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There is 
one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did this 
and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would 
bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he would 
treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, 
was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the test, 
remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection." and that would be 
it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive kitties

2012-10-05 Thread Beth

It has sadly gotten to the point where I delete 90% of the emails I get from 
this list without even reading them.

 
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 From: Lynda Wilson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive kitties
 

 
You are correct, let’s get back on to the subject and help people that need 
to hear our experiences with this horrible disease. We need to get back on 
track 
and help people help their fur babies that they love so much. We know that it’s 
hard to find a vet that has the knowledge and is willing to help their patients 
without the first thought of putting them to sleep.  We need to keep 
getting the word out that there is hope for them. They can live long, happy, 
healthy lives. Please continue to share your stories and experiences of what 
meds have worked and what has not.  We are here for those precious cats 
that love us unconditionally.  They are better than humans.
 
Now back to the subject that matters mosthelping others. 
From: Elizabeth Malone 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
  This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of 
judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is 
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many 
people 
all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that 
hate 
it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver 
information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and 
leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought 
all 
to the list in the first place.

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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

All very valid points.  Maybe I am one of those weird folks who just doesn't 
get angry or upset if someone votes a different way.  I guess that is why I 
always thought it was odd that people get so mad about politics or religion, 
cause I just don't care one way or the other ;) Also, any suggestions on making 
SuzieQ's last days comfortable (I posted about her yesterday, 2-3 year old, 
cancer, no cure, caused from exposure to FeLuk even though she was able to shed 
the virus, etc.)
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:16:13 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except 
to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes.  However, let me just 
add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it.  Discussing 
politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any 
list or even in a group around the dinner table.  We all have opinions.  If the 
opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down 
the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or 
anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle 
sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in 
a sentence and go on with the day.  But just start a thread in a group about 
politics in an election year and all
 h*** breaks loose.  Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another 
candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas and 
defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word.  Unfortunately this is 
because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate.  So what 
you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are supporting 
someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote for that 
OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that PARTY. It 
is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the product better 
and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual person.  I don't mean 
color or ethnic group although that also comes into the mix.  What I mean is 
that no one even goes to check out the facts.  Like we are now having a problem 
with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car.  Or
 in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether 
he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from 
thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how 
much money  the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price of 
gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue  important to 
our daily lives.  If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were 
passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I 
would do much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about 
Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate.  This, I think, is why we get angry 
with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours.  We are not really 
solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place.  Like standing 
on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and lying to 
ourselves that
 if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance.  Maybe we should 
just stick to cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and 
longer.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!

From: Terri Brown 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorrie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

It is true.  

On 10-04, Terri Brown 
  wrote:
>I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but 
  it's not true.
> 
>Terri
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive kitties

2012-10-05 Thread Lynda Wilson

You are correct, let’s get back on to the subject and help people that need to 
hear our experiences with this horrible disease. We need to get back on track 
and help people help their fur babies that they love so much. We know that it’s 
hard to find a vet that has the knowledge and is willing to help their patients 
without the first thought of putting them to sleep.  We need to keep getting 
the word out that there is hope for them. They can live long, happy, healthy 
lives. Please continue to share your stories and experiences of what meds have 
worked and what has not.  We are here for those precious cats that love us 
unconditionally.  They are better than humans.

Now back to the subject that matters mosthelping others.

From: Elizabeth Malone 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.




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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.


 
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 From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
 

I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop 
alternatives?  The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't 
even get the drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes 
cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried 
it?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except 
to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes.  However, let me just 
add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it.  Discussing 
politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any 
list or even in a group around the dinner table.  We all have opinions.  If the 
opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down 
the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or 
anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle 
sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in 
a sentence and go on with the day.  But just start a thread in a group about 
politics in an election year and all h*** breaks loose.  Even if half the list 
is in agreement that one or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other 
half of the list goes bananas
 and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word.  Unfortunately this 
is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate.  So 
what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are 
supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote 
for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that 
PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the 
product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual 
person.  I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also comes into the 
mix.  What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the facts.  Like we are 
now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of 
his car.  Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, 
or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people 
from thinking about real issues,
 like the price of food constantly going up, how much money  the oil companies 
are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time someone 
mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue  important to our daily lives.  If I 
spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by the candidates 
that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do much better as an 
informed voter than if I spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's 
birth certificate.  This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an 
opinion that does not match ours.  We are not really solidly informed before we 
take the opinion in the first place.  Like standing on the edge of a cliff, 
afraid that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream 
loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance.  Maybe we should just stick to 
cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer.
>
>
>
> 
>Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
>neighbors too!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Terri Brown 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
> 
>
>This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
>- Original Message - 
>>From: Lorrie 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59  AM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
>>
>>It is true.  
>>
>>On 10-04, Terri Brown 
  wrote:
>>>    I don't know where y

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Martha Walton

I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew,
it's expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite
allergy.  Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All
the cats get the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea
drop alternatives?  The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she
can't even get the drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which
includes cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has
anyone tried it?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything
> except to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes.  However,
> let me just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view
> it.  Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and
> major wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table.  We all
> have opinions.  If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the
> freshly painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a
> Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we
> state our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for
> being able to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the
> day.  But just start a thread in a group about politics in an election year
> and all h*** breaks loose.  Even if half the list is in agreement that one
> or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes
> bananas and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word.
> Unfortunately this is because most people don't use logic and research to
> pick a candidate.  So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep
> inside that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but
> they are not going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma,
> granddad never voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections
> are based on who can sell the product better and the prejudice of the
> voters for or against the actual person.  I don't mean color or ethnic
> group although that also comes into the mix.  What I mean is that no one
> even goes to check out the facts.  Like we are now having a problem with
> whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car.  Or in the
> past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether he
> was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from
> thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how
> much money  the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price
> of gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue
> important to our daily lives.  If I spend an hour doing a search on how
> many bills were passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away
> something for me, I would do much better as an informed voter than if I
> spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate.
> This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an opinion that
> does not match ours.  We are not really solidly informed before we take the
> opinion in the first place.  Like standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid
> that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream loud
> and long enough, we won't lose our balance.  Maybe we should just stick to
> cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer.
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Terri Brown 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] President
>
>  This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Lorrie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] President
>
> It is true.
>
> On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
> >I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
> >
> >Terri
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except 
to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes.  However, let me just 
add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it.  Discussing 
politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any 
list or even in a group around the dinner table.  We all have opinions.  If the 
opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down 
the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or 
anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle 
sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in 
a sentence and go on with the day.  But just start a thread in a group about 
politics in an election year and all h*** breaks loose.  Even if half the list 
is in agreement that one or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other 
half of the list goes bananas
 and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word.  Unfortunately this 
is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate.  So 
what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are 
supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote 
for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that 
PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the 
product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual 
person.  I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also comes into the 
mix.  What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the facts.  Like we are 
now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of 
his car.  Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, 
or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people 
from thinking about real issues,
 like the price of food constantly going up, how much money  the oil companies 
are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time someone 
mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue  important to our daily lives.  If I 
spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by the candidates 
that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do much better as an 
informed voter than if I spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's 
birth certificate.  This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an 
opinion that does not match ours.  We are not really solidly informed before we 
take the opinion in the first place.  Like standing on the edge of a cliff, 
afraid that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream 
loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance.  Maybe we should just stick to 
cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 From: Terri Brown 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
- Original Message - 
>From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59  AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
>
>It is true.  
>
>On 10-04, Terri Brown 
  wrote:
>>    I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but 
  it's not true.
>> 
>>    Terri
>> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread Joslin Potter

When we found out Zoey was + with FeLV I automatically thought like what your 
describing, he was going to have to be laid to rest, however, my vet was very 
optimistic and caring. She assured me that things were going to be fine, 
different, but fine. Thye stood by my decision to keep him alive, they would 
call once a month to check in on him, and always were very accomidating in 
providing care at a decent price. However a few weeks ago when we took him in, 
before putting him down, she even shed a tear herself that he was in a lot of 
pain, and they could treat him but it didn't look like he was going to stay 
better. So, we made the decision. 
 
But you are correct. A lot of people even that when we told them that Zoey was 
"special" they would ask why? Why would you want a cat tat was sick like that 
and I've even been called Selfish for letting him suffer, however the first 
year was a little ruff, but the three years later, up until 6 months before we 
put him down, you couldn't even tell.
 
- Joslin
 


 From: Lee Evans 
To: felvtalk  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
  

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
 anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There is 
one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did this 
and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would 
bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he would 
treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, 
was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the test, 
remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection." and that would be 
it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread Lynda Wilson

I’m grateful to have found a compassionate, and very knowledgeable vet. When we 
move, I’m still going to use her. Good vets are hard to find.

From: GRAS 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

My vet actually treats those cats in a “special” way, knowing that their immune 
systems are compromised..

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

Yep, I've run into vets like that too and it pisses me off.  In a nice way I 
let them know that I want the cat treated as though he didn't have a disease. 
In several cases I just haven't ever gone back to those vets.  Or I'll go back 
to throw it in their face that a simple round of Clavamox took care of the 
situation and the cat is fine.  Some of them just haven't had enough experience 
to know that FIV and FeLV doesn't always make a simple illness worse and I want 
them to know and see it for themselves so they don't tell their next client to 
put the cat down just because he's got FIV or FeLV.

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From: "Lee Evans" 
To: "felvtalk" 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:00 am

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has anyone noticed this problem with their 
feline health care provider?  There is one vet who I used for 15 years until I 
moved 50 miles away that never did this and never made me feel that I was 
selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits 
and he would treat them the same way he would treat the others.  Even when I 
would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he 
would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the test, remember? But this is just an upper 
respiratory infection." and that would be it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, 
bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread GRAS

My vet actually treats those cats in a “special” way, knowing that their immune 
systems are compromised..

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

Yep, I've run into vets like that too and it pisses me off.  In a nice way I 
let them know that I want the cat treated as though he didn't have a disease. 
In several cases I just haven't ever gone back to those vets.  Or I'll go back 
to throw it in their face that a simple round of Clavamox took care of the 
situation and the cat is fine.  Some of them just haven't had enough experience 
to know that FIV and FeLV doesn't always make a simple illness worse and I want 
them to know and see it for themselves so they don't tell their next client to 
put the cat down just because he's got FIV or FeLV.

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- Reply message -
From: "Lee Evans" 
To: "felvtalk" 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:00 am

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has anyone noticed this problem with their 
feline health care provider?  There is one vet who I used for 15 years until I 
moved 50 miles away that never did this and never made me feel that I was 
selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits 
and he would treat them the same way he would treat the others.  Even when I 
would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he 
would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the test, remember? But this is just an upper 
respiratory infection." and that would be it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, 
bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.

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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Terri Brown

This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorrie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  It is true.  

  On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
  >I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
  > 
  >Terri
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: President

2012-10-05 Thread Lorrie

Good for you Natalie. I was wondering if anyone would bring
that up. I can't imagine the horror and fear Romney's dog felt while
his crate was on the top of his car!  I'd like to strap Romney there!!

Lorrie

On 10-04, Natalie wrote:
>Actually very simple:  Romney's dog on top of the car and Obama's dog
>inside the car.

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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Lorrie

It is true.  

On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
>I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
> 
>Terri
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread molveywda

Oh, sorry I haven't been involved with the list and FeLV kitties in a bit.  
I've lost several cats this year and haven't felt like dealing with more sad 
stories.  A couple of those cats I lost were strays that didn't live with me 
but it still broke my heart to lose them.  The last one I lost was a two year 
old that lived with me.  He was one of my special fur babies.  I didn't lose 
him to FeLV though.  It was cardiomyopathy and he went quicker than my FeLV 
kitties.  No way to save him because there were no symptoms until it was too 
late.   

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Subject: [Felvtalk] President
Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 3:09 pm


Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated & you made very valid points. Thanks for 
your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians 
lie & I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion.

Thanks again, Maureen!

L
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:52:28 
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[Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread Lee Evans

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment "Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?"  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
 anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There is 
one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did this 
and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would 
bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he would 
treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, 
was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, "Yes, I know.  I did the test, 
remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection." and that would be 
it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread molveywda

Yep, both candidates are politicians and that already makes them suspect.  It 
seems time spent in a government leadership position tends to have a negative 
effect on all of them.  Plus most of what we hear about them and their policies 
is spin and the truth never fully comes out.  Hard to make a decision based on 
half truths and sound bites.  Sometimes it's like throwing darts in the dark.  
I'm not an economist so even if I had all the details of their plans I wouldn't 
understand it fully.   I'm with you, sometimes you just choose the lesser of 
two evils and hope for the best.  We vote and then we come home and take care 
of our wonderful furry children and enjoy their simplicity.  

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To: 
Subject: [Felvtalk] President
Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 3:09 pm


Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated & you made very valid points. Thanks for 
your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians 
lie & I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion.

Thanks again, Maureen!

L
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From: Maureen Olvey 
Sender: "Felvtalk" 
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:52:28 
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