Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
We got a copy of her bloodwork and it shows that she is producing a very small amount of red cells. We didn't see a PVC value. Would it be listed as that on bloodwork results or might it be listed another way? Or is that a special test? Thanks so much for your input. -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 7:22 AM CST Beth wrote: If it is truly non regenerative anemia a blood transfusion will only buy her a short amount of time because, as my vet told me, she will be unable to remake the red blood cells once they die off. Mine went downhill pretty fast with nonregenerative anemia. We tried antiobiotics just in case it was hemobartonella, but it did nothing. I had their blood check twice a week, but they were gone within 3 weeks. What was her PCV? It usually is very low if they are to the point of eating litter. Give her lots of love make sure she is not suffering. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
We took a copy of her bloodwork to another vet...he is probably more open to and able to treat her aggressively. Many of her values are off but none by a huge amount. We decided to give a B-12 shot this Wed and next and will take her to this vet next Friday for an exam and repeat bloodwork. The vet is open to LTCI and we gave him the info on where to order. There are vets in 3 towns in Arkansas that are using it already...all are about 3 hours away but going to any of them is an option. I also want to mention dex and depo and pred to our vet. He has previously treated one of my felv's with pred. And possibly other tests to see if it is in her bone marrow, etc. Right now to look at DeeDee all you would see is a healthy active young cat. She eats as soon as food is put down although not nearly what we would like to see her eat. Need to find out her PCV also. Having had a number of Felv kittens over the years I know how they can look great and then just crash...hoping to be proactive in treatment and give her the longest quality life we can. Michelle thanks so much for the offer of your dose of LTCI...I think we will be good with getting it here through our vet or directly from one of the vets in the state who is using. Everyone on the list who is giving us input...it is so much appreciated. You guys are the experts more than most vets. -- On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:50 PM CST lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] HCT vs PCV? newly diagnosed non-regenerative anemia
Must read where some vets test for the HCT rather than the PCV...and we found HCT on DeeDee's bloodwork. It is 24.1. Does that change any of your suggestions/input? -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 10:37 AM CST Susan Loesch wrote: We took a copy of her bloodwork to another vet...he is probably more open to and able to treat her aggressively. Many of her values are off but none by a huge amount. We decided to give a B-12 shot this Wed and next and will take her to this vet next Friday for an exam and repeat bloodwork. The vet is open to LTCI and we gave him the info on where to order. There are vets in 3 towns in Arkansas that are using it already...all are about 3 hours away but going to any of them is an option. I also want to mention dex and depo and pred to our vet. He has previously treated one of my felv's with pred. And possibly other tests to see if it is in her bone marrow, etc. Right now to look at DeeDee all you would see is a healthy active young cat. She eats as soon as food is put down although not nearly what we would like to see her eat. Need to find out her PCV also. Having had a number of Felv kittens over the years I know how they can look great and then just crash...hoping to be proactive in treatment and give her the longest quality life we can. Michelle thanks so much for the offer of your dose of LTCI...I think we will be good with getting it here through our vet or directly from one of the vets in the state who is using. Everyone on the list who is giving us input...it is so much appreciated. You guys are the experts more than most vets. -- On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:50 PM CST lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] HCT vs PCV? newly diagnosed non-regenerative anemia
Must read where some vets test for the HCT rather than the PCV...and we found HCT on DeeDee's bloodwork. It is 24.1. Does that change any of your suggestions/input? -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 10:37 AM CST Susan Loesch wrote: We took a copy of her bloodwork to another vet...he is probably more open to and able to treat her aggressively. Many of her values are off but none by a huge amount. We decided to give a B-12 shot this Wed and next and will take her to this vet next Friday for an exam and repeat bloodwork. The vet is open to LTCI and we gave him the info on where to order. There are vets in 3 towns in Arkansas that are using it already...all are about 3 hours away but going to any of them is an option. I also want to mention dex and depo and pred to our vet. He has previously treated one of my felv's with pred. And possibly other tests to see if it is in her bone marrow, etc. Right now to look at DeeDee all you would see is a healthy active young cat. She eats as soon as food is put down although not nearly what we would like to see her eat. Need to find out her PCV also. Having had a number of Felv kittens over the years I know how they can look great and then just crash...hoping to be proactive in treatment and give her the longest quality life we can. Michelle thanks so much for the offer of your dose of LTCI...I think we will be good with getting it here through our vet or directly from one of the vets in the state who is using. Everyone on the list who is giving us input...it is so much appreciated. You guys are the experts more than most vets. -- On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:50 PM CST lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Thanks. -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 12:27 PM CST Beth wrote: My cats had Epogen. It did nothing with the nonregenerative anemia. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: seeking placement for three feluk positive kittens
Ditto on testing for feleuk. Generally if you wait 2-3 months and retest there is a good chance the result will be negative for feleuk. Have seen it happen several times. gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't heard of the SNAP test being any more inclined toward false positives on young kittens when testing for feluk. I have heard that if you are testing young kittens for FIV there is a good chance of a false positive from antibodies in their mother's milk if she was positive. This usually clears away by 4 to 6 months so, testing kittens for FIV before that doesn't give a true indication. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: seeking placement for three feluk positive kittens I'm sorry, I should have given a cite for this. My vet says testing cats of less than 3 months is not recommended. I can't find anything on the Internet to cooberate. Anyone hear of this before?
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thank you. Sherpa and Autumn and Jingles have all been ill together - and they have, I believe, been a great comfort to each other. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor dear Jingles. Sherpa and Autumn took great care to be with him on Saturday for you. I'm so sorry that this awful thing happened. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 29, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Susan Loesch wrote: My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
My feleuk babies are MY angels! Such precious lives - I know everyone here feels that way, which is such a comfort when I lose one. I fear that he was in major pain when the eye exploded but it wasn't but a couple of minutes after I found him before he was sedated. I haven't had a chance to talke with my vet about this yet but definitely will. Had seen nothing like that before. Thanks so much. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I am so sorry to hear about Jingles. I hope his passing was an easy one. It was kind of you to let him go. I couldn't believe it when I read about what happened to his little eye. What in the world do you think it was? Again, I am so, so sorry. How wonderful that you took him in after his caregiver died and loved him even knowing he had FeLV and might not be around for long. You're an angel. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Re: Nova Please add to the CLS
Sherry, I am so sorry. Maybe one day - hopefully in our lifetime - we won't have to say goodbye to our precious babies because of this disease. Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well poor Nova has now crossed the bridge.will this aweful disease ever cured? Only in our dreams. :( Jen sent out an e-mail to all the volunteers tonight about Genevieve and Nova.I am getting many e-mails from all the wonderful volunteers that knew how much I loved my VitterVits - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thank you. What a wonderful way to think about him now. Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sleep soft, dear Jingles... Dear Susan, I'm so sorry for your loss. But I am sure your sweet little boy is now looking down on you with both eyes in perfect shape, sending you lots of kitty love. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Susan Loesch wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Loesch Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thanks so much. I am grateful that I was with him at the last and that I was able to sedate him quickly. Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so very sorry Susan to hear about Jingles. You were both so lucky to have found each other. I'm sorry your parting was so traumatic. Best to you and all your other babies. - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thanks, Sherry. And many hugs back to you - I know you are hurting, too, with your loss. Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: susan I am so sorry to hear about your Jingles.How aweful for you to see him like that.He was lucky to have you.Hugs to you. Sherry Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thanks, Susan. I is truly horrible. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sorry, Susan. This is just such a horrible disease. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thanks, Susan. I is truly horrible. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sorry, Susan. This is just such a horrible disease. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thank you, Kerry. Being able to offer him immediate sedation is something that ws truly a blessiing. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry Susan. And I'm so very sorry too that you and Jingles had such a traumatic last time together. I'm just glad he was so loved, and that he knew it. It's wonderful that he had two such loving homes--that might easily have not been the case. It must be comforting that you had the wherewithal and knowhow to at least sedate him. Please know you're in my thoughts, hugs, Kerry - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
That made me laugh!! I've just turned 60 and I swear I don't see the screen like I used to!!! Or at least that is the excuse I'm using for everything these days!!! Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you isn't. (Sorry, had to!) ;-) Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS Thanks, Susan. I is truly horrible. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sorry, Susan. This is just such a horrible disease. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thank you. He was very sweet, very quiet and calm. A total joy!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking
about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was
fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this
week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't
bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all
looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when
I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him
up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue
comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him
because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I
sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen
anything like that.
Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone
downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an
end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an
elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and
I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
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RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
And boy, do I ever need it often! Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear ya. I'm 58 and it's nice to have an excuse when needed ;-) - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS That made me laugh!! I've just turned 60 and I swear I don't see the screen like I used to!!! Or at least that is the excuse I'm using for everything these days!!! Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you isn't. (Sorry, had to!) ;-) Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS Thanks, Susan. I is truly horrible. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sorry, Susan. This is just such a horrible disease. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Please add Jingles to the CLS
My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thanks, Melinda. He was such a joy - and in his healthier days he came
to school (AR School for the Blind Library) with me - the kids loved him. I
was expecting to lose him fairly soon but this was a shock.
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liked that you wrote about his past. I hope you can find comfort in your good
times with him. Prayers and thoughts your way
Melissa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS
My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking
about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was
fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this
week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't
bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all
looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when
I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him
up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue
comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him
because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I
sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen
anything like that.
Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone
downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an
end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an
elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and
I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thank you. He was a gift in my life! Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless you for caring for this little soul. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thanks, Diane. I love knowing that he is healthy now and feels good. Would sure rather, tho, that he could have been just as healthy and good-feeling and in my bed at night. Than Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry, Susan. Hugs to you and a gentle Bridge journey to Jingles. Thanks for telling us about him. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Question about eye ulcers
One of my feleuk babies, Jingles, who is about 5 and was most likely born positive, has been going downhill over the last couple of months -- pretty much the typical course of a failing feleuk+ kitty. But he has a new problem right now and it is one I have never seen before. His eye was watering; in trying to wipe it and medicate I noticed what looked like a wad of yellowish-white eye goop and I tried to wipe it away -- but it is an ulcer - a lump, for lack of a better term - attached to his eye. I have started him on lysine, because in other ways the eye looks herpes-y -- but I have never seen a lump on the eyeball like this. Anyone??? I haven't yet taken him to the vet -- hate to put him through the stress if I don't have to -- and you guys know way more than most vets when it comes to feleuk!
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Hi, Beckie - I have my own idea for what is a typical course -- it is not the kitties who have a major, identifiable problem, such as lymphoma or anemia. It is the ones who seem generally fine and then just begin to go downhill -- lose weight, become lethargic - and continue to go downhill. That isn't a technical description or a medical one, it is just my own idea after a number of years having a number of feline leukemia kitties. I will keep Moeman in my prayers. Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think the Moeman is dying. Im just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. Hes content I think. Im just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
And also Prozac and Buspar Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also know some folks use Valium. One source on the internet praised Prosac. I don't know much about it from personal experience. Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ _ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee
How funny you should mention a jobMy Big Footsie used to pee at home a lot. When I started bringing him to school with me as my Head Library Cat it totally stopped. Not only did he not once ever even wiggle his tail at a wall here at school, the peeing stopped at home, also. He just needed a job to be happy! MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY too much time on their paws to sit around and figure these things out. and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh. On 5/21/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the sympathy. The dryer is such an ingenuous touch. How clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan is the culprit). Not only does the dryer bake in the fragrance, but it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere I might travel). It's so darn efficient of them! All the fabric throws covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) . Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Oh no! Nina, you have all my sympathy. Ode de kitty toilette is definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather. Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'? That helps me a lot with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house. I saw some a CVS last week. You can order it online too. I am so sorry! elizabeth -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Interferon in Massachusetts?
Hi, guys -- is there anyone out there in Massachusetts? I just took some interferon to my vet (Little Rock, AR) for him to send to someone with a feleuk kitty in MA. He said that his client found it difficult to locate interferon there and incredibly expensive when they did find it. Here we get a huge amount for $15. Does anyone have a suggestion for folks in MA that would be more convenient than having in come from AR but similar in price? Thanks, Susan
Re: New Member - Deb and mixing
Hey, Deb - I also mix my negatives and positives -- and don't isolate anyone who is coughing, etc. I figure that everyone has been exposed anyhow and it is probably viral -- and strict isolation isn't possible at my house. I've never been sorry that I've done it this way. Deb Stockbridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat. I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back together. The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see her and she just really followed me around the house all night and then fell asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering attention on her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much contact in that 5 hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but I'm still in panic mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I do right by all my cats. For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I know will take a move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds perfect as he will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate. This home might take both boys but I won't know until she comes to meet them. So this is where I'm at right now and my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to change daily on how much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time and giving them as much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:) Deb From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing Deb, I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys. I'm hoping that someone will adopt them together. Tell those folks to come join us here! Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already have addressed this, but... I am one of the people that have mixed negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated). I have done this for years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult decision it is to make. In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle babies and didn't find out they
Re: VitterVits
Hi, Sherry - I have been mixing for about 4 years. And I don't mean one feleuk baby at a time -- I usually have at least 6 at any given time who are positive. I started mixing based in part on the experiences of people on the list that I read about. I have been very happy with the results. While I don't retest everyone on a regular basis every single cat who has been retested for one reason or another has continued to be negative. I just flat out don't worry about it any more. Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ok I have been wrestling with the thought of bringing this beautiful beast home.The only thing keeping me from doing this is the FEAR of the felv.I have 3 fiv boys and one neg boy.I would just feel so aweful if one of my boys got it after making it out of there. Are there people on here that mix fiv+ and felv+ and had no spread of the felv?? I just love her so much and it just kills me to leave her there everytime I go. But I also love my boys with all my heart that I am torn on this.Any input is VERY MUCH appreciated.THanks Sherry - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
I'm so sorry about Lucinda. I'll bet Mini and Max are glad to have her with them again. Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sorry about your sweet baby. Beth Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
RE: Need to place Chief ASAP/Foster
Stephanie - you aren't by any chance in or near Houston are you? I saw below
about your horses. We (in Little Rock) adopted a cat to a girl outside of
Houston who has a horse rescue group.
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I can take him back in November or December.
Steph
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Madon
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
We have a FeLV male and are not interested in providing a forever home to
anymore FeLV cats at this time. But I may be interested if it is just a foster
situation.
Jennifer
Nina wrote:
Oh Stephanie, I'm so sorry about the rough spot you've hit. It sounds just
heart wrenching. We've got to do what we've got to do, it doesn't sound like
you've reached your conclusions lightly. Maybe you could post your felv pos as
foster home needed. People might be quicker to help out knowing that he will
have a home with you when you're back on your feet. Perhaps you could do the
same sort of thing with your horse? There must be a million young girls out
there that would be thrilled to have a horse to ride and love in exchange for
vet care and board. You might be able to work something out that will be good
for everyone concerned and still be able to bring the family back together
eventually.
Prayers and strength to you,
Nina
Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:
Ill post him today.
Hes white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.
Hes safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone wants the
nitty gritty personal details email me privately.
Suffice to say Ill be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for me and my
animals Im keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of people, so I cant
rehome her. Hes a people cat and will be okay being rehomed. Also having to
sell a horse and just keeping my special needs pony.
This is so hard to do guys, but its for the best for all involved. Ive had
him 2 years now
Steph
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go to
this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all the places
under places to post positive cats (or however it's phrased).
please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how old is
he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to ensure he's truly
positive? is he safe with you for the next month while people work on finding
him a place?
MC
Re: OT: My visit to Best Friends Animal Sanctuary - IMMUNOREGULIN DOSAGE
Linda, do you know if their protocol just starts the cats out on monthly doses or if they do something like daily for some time then weekly, finally going to monthy?This is the way Immunoregulin is done if administered IV or subQ. I really like the IM idea -- probably works better than subQ but less of an ordeal than IV. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linda, Thanks for doing this! This is good information for us to have. I will 'log' this email for future reference. I still think it's very interesting that they do intramuscular injections. It's the first I've ever heard of it. :) Wendy --- Linda Johnson wrote: Hi Wendy all, I wrote to Best Friends regarding the IM administration of Immunoregulin and this is the reply I received: We give this drug to our Felv positive cats once a month. It is administered IM at the rate of .25 cc per cat. If a cat is symptomatic in any way then we skip that cat for that month. We have had some adverse reactions. They are minor and rare, consisting mostly of lameness in the leg we give the injection in or general malaise for a day or two after the treatment. Even so, we discontinue the treatments for that cat. --- wendy wrote: Hi Linda, That's a good question, which I did not ask. You might try to email someone at Best Friends to see if they will forward it to one of the vets. I bet they will let you know. There is a list of some of the staff members and their email addys on the website. :) Wendy Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
RE: ovaban
Ovaban goes way back -- about 25 years ago is when I first used it - it was prescribed as a behavior modifier for a cat who peed everywhere -- back before the days of amitriptylline and Prozac. The downside was that it could cause breast cancer; and that it did, in my little April. Now it is used as an appetite enhancer. Somewhere along the line I got the idea - don't know if I dreamed it or if someone told me - that it was originally used for canine birth control. Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used it, but will have to remember who for and what for! Gloria At 09:13 PM 3/8/2007, you wrote: It's a hormone pill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ovaban personally, I've never heard of it at all. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM
RE: 14 cats going to be tested
Good luck, Debbie. Your furry gang is lucky to have ended up with you.
Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:body{font-family:
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#ff;color: black;} not looking forward to taking them all in, but we
felt we should know. This way at least we can take extra care for any that
might test positive. We went out and got lots of carriers. Going to have to
take two vehicles. The vet we chose is about 17 miles from us. They gave us a
mutiple cat discount but everyone had to go in at once.
I appreciate the people on this list taking the time out to comment. I tend
to be a loner most times. I am at work at the moment. I work with ALOT of
farmers who look at cats as a nuisance here. Makes for some very unpleasant
conversations at times here.
I have had cats for as long as I remember. I would not trade those
friendships for all the human ones in the world. It is always refreshing though
to find people who care as much about animals as I do.
The Humane Society here said I was not doing the cats any favors by taking in
so many, without having them all tested and vaccinated for FELV. We got all
the cats at the same time. All abandoned, some even starving. We have had them
all spayed/ neutered and had all other shots. We keep them all indoors and keep
them clean, well groomed, etc... I would have hoped for a better response from
a Humane Society. I had asked them if we bought all the vaccines if they would
administer the shots for a donation.
I refuse to ever turn a blind eye to an animal in need of help. If that means
spending alot of money on them than so be it.
-Original Message-
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Mar 6, 2007 3:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: 14 cats going to be tested
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Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ff }Sending
lots of good vibes for tonight Debbie. Let us know how it goes when you have
time. Kerry M.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: 14 cats going to be tested
Am taking our 14 cats in tonight to be tested for FELV. This was after we had
Elsa put to sleep because of fluid in her lungs and her testing positive.
Wish us luck. I don't know what to expect. I'd like to think no one else will
test positive, but I doubt that will be the case. All the cats are around the
same age (3-4 yrs). Different litters though. Has a genetic factor to this
disease ever been found?
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Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Maggie, I am so sorry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Re: Debbie's multible testing need
AMEN!! I have probably 6-8 feleuk+ cats and kittens at any given time. Mix 'em freely with my vaccinated cats - who are negative. Everyone I have retested who was neg to begin with has been still neg! Even my vet is aware of what I am doing and is fine with it -- but he is pretty exceptional anyhow. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about all that i can add is, read the most recent research--it is NOT easy to transmit, and that has actually been known for quite awhile now. i don't think we're just asking you to take our word as folks who haven't asked the same questions you have, but as folks who wouldn't take the automatic, oh, no, kill them all! knee-jerk reaction that too many vets and shelters still have. we've done the reading and the searching, and have accessed the same information that IS available to the professionals--they've just made the decision not to seek it out. the courage of the first owners of FeLVs is akin to that of the original sailors who said, wait, maybe the world ISN'T flat, and maybe there AREN'T dragons beyond this point. all the rest of us owe the love and light and lives of our beloved furry ones to their being able to stand up and say, no, to the professionals MC On 3/1/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives. What is the point of rushing to have them all tested? If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a compassionate vet. I have one that cuts her clients a break on households with multible pets. Some mobil vets will agree to only charge for 1 office (house) visit if you get more than one animal looked at at once...OR...is there a cat rescue organization that would help you with the costs of testing? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Looking for inexpensive scratching post
You know, what my cats like best is just the corrugated cardboard scratching pads that they stand on to use. They are inexpensive compared to the actual posts you buy. Once they've scratched the heck out of the top surface I take that part out and turn it over and let them have at the underside. You can get at Target, Walmart -- pretty much anywhere. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I know there are lots of places where I can get directions for making my own, but with 20+ cats in the house including 2 special needs, working 6 days a week and running a rescue, I have no time to try to figure out how to make cat trees. Besides, I think that since I can't even put together furniture from Target without it being wobbly, I would hate to see a cat tree I attempted to build. LOL. Thanks for the recommendation!:) On 2/16/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are a number of places on-line with instructions for making your own; phaewyrn has a place she bought hers from that she swears by, but they are NOT inexpensive. i have a great recommendation for a place that sells on ebay, called armarkat (they have two or three authorized dealers as well.) they have multiple listings all the time, and essentially you pay almost nothing for the furniture, but pay for shipping instead--the closer you are to the west coast, the less you pay. a friend got a tree for $.99, with $15 shipping on their website directly, you pay discount prices, with no shipping--but if you watch ebay, you can do much better. the recommendation i have is from a high-volume bengal rescue--and anyone who knows bengals know that they are a HIGH-ENERGY breed anything that can stand up to multiple bengals has to be pretty solid this rescue has three of the armarkat trees. there's a 72 one i have my eye on for one of these days. the shipping alone will run me $80, but i've seen the tree go on ebay for as little as $10, and compared to other trees of its size and layout, that's about 1/3 of what it'd be anywhere else. MC On 2/16/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try making one with a 4x4 (not treated) of whatever length you want. Glue burlap and sisal rope to it to cover the wood. Ebony loved it. The 4x4 was long enough he could really stretch. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: OT - Looking for inexpensive scratching post Hi guys, I am looking for some inexpensive scratching posts. My guys destroy my scratching posts within a month at most, and they are like $30 at PetSmart. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Looking for inexpensive scratching post
I've known that to happen, too!! TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mine like those too--except ONE of my little brats likes to, um, relieve herself on them, which renders them somewhat soggy. On 2/16/07, Susan Loesch wrote: You know, what my cats like best is just the corrugated cardboard scratching pads that they stand on to use. They are inexpensive compared to the actual posts you buy. Once they've scratched the heck out of the top surface I take that part out and turn it over and let them have at the underside. You can get at Target, Walmart -- pretty much anywhere. Kelley Saveika wrote: I know there are lots of places where I can get directions for making my own, but with 20+ cats in the house including 2 special needs, working 6 days a week and running a rescue, I have no time to try to figure out how to make cat trees. Besides, I think that since I can't even put together furniture from Target without it being wobbly, I would hate to see a cat tree I attempted to build. LOL. Thanks for the recommendation!:) On 2/16/07, TenHouseCats wrote: there are a number of places on-line with instructions for making your own; phaewyrn has a place she bought hers from that she swears by, but they are NOT inexpensive. i have a great recommendation for a place that sells on ebay, called armarkat (they have two or three authorized dealers as well.) they have multiple listings all the time, and essentially you pay almost nothing for the furniture, but pay for shipping instead--the closer you are to the west coast, the less you pay. a friend got a tree for $.99, with $15 shipping on their website directly, you pay discount prices, with no shipping--but if you watch ebay, you can do much better. the recommendation i have is from a high-volume bengal rescue--and anyone who knows bengals know that they are a HIGH-ENERGY breed anything that can stand up to multiple bengals has to be pretty solid this rescue has three of the armarkat trees. there's a 72 one i have my eye on for one of these days. the shipping alone will run me $80, but i've seen the tree go on ebay for as little as $10, and compared to other trees of its size and layout, that's about 1/3 of what it'd be anywhere else. MC On 2/16/07, Marylyn wrote: Try making one with a 4x4 (not treated) of whatever length you want. Glue burlap and sisal rope to it to cover the wood. Ebony loved it. The 4x4 was long enough he could really stretch. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: OT - Looking for inexpensive scratching post Hi guys, I am looking for some inexpensive scratching posts. My guys destroy my scratching posts within a month at most, and they are like $30 at PetSmart. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Please add to CLS and Special Needs List
Thanks. My little Leader was gone when I got home -- this is a case where a cat died WITH the feleuk virus, not from it. His immune system, even with all the support, couldn't overcome the URI. Tried all last weekend to trap Sissy -- I am sure she was sitting there laughing at me, saying she wasn't going to get in any trap. I caught another cat and Sissy was sitting by him, right outside the trap, keeping him company. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Same from me, Susan. I'm so sorry for your loss and I hope Sissy and Leader are ok. tonya Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How sad, on all counts. Here's hoping that you can at least bring Sissy in, in time. Gentle Bridge vibes to Buddy, he was lucky to have you looking out for him. And healing vibes to Leader. Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add to CLS and Special Needs List This has not been a good weekend at my house. I have a little 4-cat feral colony I have fed daily for a year -- we've had pretty bad weather lately and I've put mounds of food out -- and haven't seen Buddy and Sissy, two little longhaired tabby littermates in over a week. Hoped that they were just coming and eating when they were hungry since there was so much food - and not coming around waiting for me to get there at my usual time. Sat. I called and called - it was a nice day, warmer and sunny, and I'd left only a small amt. of food Friday hoping they'd show up Sat. A man who lives next to where I feed them came out and told me that one of the tabbies had been hit by a car and died in his yard. From his description I think it was Buddy. I am devastated. Buddy had evolved from a totally feral little boy to a friendly fella who met me in the Backyard Burger (where the feeding station is) parking lot when he heard my car. I could pet him, even rub his tummy. If I sat still I could ease him into my lap. His sister still wouldn't let me touch her but has been getting better. I planned to relocate both Buddy and Sis to my back yard as soon as I could touch Sissy.Separating them wasn't an option. Sissy was Buddy's little shadow - she depended on him so.I didn't try to trap her since she was coming around and I figured in a month or two more I would be able to pet her. Now I am kicking myself for not relocating them sooner. I have a friend who feeds for me on Sunday and she saw Sissy -- or at least she thinks it was Sissy and not Buddy. I almost think it would be better if it were Sissy to have died because Buddy is so much more independent and open to human touch. Please add my little Buddy Bear to the CLS. He was neutered, vaccinated and negative for felv/FIV. And about 2 years old. This morning I left my little miracle man, Leader, all wrapped up in my sweatshirt on the bed - and, I think, dying. He was born with feleuk - his whole litter tested and retested positive. All his littermates died at or before about age two -- including Gloria's Mittens -- but Leader has lived to be just 2 months short of SIX years. He has been doing fine -- skinny, looking like death warmed over -- but fine until he recently got an awful URI. I've treated him with immunoregulin, Baytril, Tylosin, Naxcel, fluids. Up until last night he was eating well altho weak. This morning he wouldn't eat. Please put him on the Special Needs List and please, all, pray that he beat this URI.Thanks. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Lucy
Please let Michelle know how sorry I am . Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past
RE: another addition to the CLS list: bob
I am so sorry about Bob - I know you wish you could have had him longer. I am glad his passing was easy. Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like Bob had a peaceful and contented Bridge journey. I'm sorry you didn't get to know him better, but I'm sure he appreciates your love and care. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:53 PM To: FeLVTalk Subject: another addition to the CLS list: bob i'd like to add bob-the-persian to the list. bob was a five-year-old cream persian who came into rescue about two weeks ago from a bad divorce situation, along with five others. other than being terribly matted, nothing more was thought to be wrong with him. while getting them vetted to go from MI to GA, however, it was discovered that bob had an inoperable congenital peritoneal-pericardial hernia. i was asked to do hospice care for the little darling. another list member, beth, lives very near the vet hospital that was caring for him, and she and her husband gary kindly brought him to me a week ago yesterday. poor dear was shaven down, and those who've seen nekkid persians know just how pathetic they can look. he had minor intermittent breathing difficulties, but nothing seemingly too severe. he wouldn't eat at first, and i was panicking--then i found out he would only eat dad's cat food and the vet had neglected to put that on his records! (his sibkits in GA hadn't been eating, either) he was wandering all over the house, getting up onto the furniture, seeming to start to settle in after what had to have been a very confusing couple of weeks. on friday, he finally let me take pictures of him, and he spent about three hours up on the bed with me, snuggling and cuddling and purring. last evening i found him, curled up peacefully under my bed, having journeyed on to the bridge. didn't look as if he'd suffered, just maybe that his little body had given out. only a week--i'd so hoped to have more time with him; i'd wanted him to have to chance to grow his beautiful coat out once more so he didn't have to be afraid to look in a mirror; i'd wanted him to tell me some of his secrets and his dreams. i just hope he knew that he was safe and welcome and loved here--i think that he did. fare thee well, sweet bob. join the rest of the tenhousecats bridge clowder, and fly free. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please add Ricky Rick to the CLS
So sorry about Ricky Rick. He sounds wonderful! Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri Feb 9, 2007 Ricky Rick was helped to end his suffering from lymphoma and FeLV... Ricky was a big old black and white tux tom cat when he was brought into the shelter... He tested pos but he was such a friendly old fellow that they had to try and find him a home... He came to live with me about 15 months ago and was very happy and quickly became friends with the other cats... He had been stray for some time and his coat was very shabby but with good food he soon became such a handsome fellow... It wasn't long though before we noticed his lymph nodes were swelling... He took his pred. and the progression was very slow but then this last week he was peeing blood and not swolling his food and it was time to let him go on Rick had his own pillow right next to mine that he has slept on at night for as long as I can remember and I miss not having him there... But then my feral cat that I have been taming for 2 1/2 years and must sense that this is a sad time has been much closer in the last few days and she may be the one to take over that spot We will miss our friendly old Ricky Rick. Tad and Marie
Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007
Houston and Dallas both were wonderful. I'll never forget trapping them. Dallas got into the first trap - this fluffy little gray and white ball. Then I waited...and waited and waited. Houston would come closer and go away - come closer, then back to the edge of the woods. I was trapping with mackerel and his appetite- thank goodness - finally got the best of him! Got them both in one day. I was sure that Dallas was going to be the first to tame down and that Houston would stay a wild man -- but Houston tamed first and best - he was beautiful, so sleek and black. They were lucky enough to get to live with Gloria and I got to see them often. Dallas was right there across the bridge ready to meet Houston, as was my Leader. How wonderful to think of all three as free and healthy and happy! TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aw, gloria, i'm sorry. GLOW to guide houston to his new place at the bridge, and to heal your heart. MC On 2/9/07, Gloria Lane wrote: My sweet Houston died last night. He came to me from Susan, who worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of Little Rock. Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV. They were just babies, and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then. That was Spring 2004. They grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the last couple of weeks of their lives. Dallas died in September 2006, of mediastinal lymphoma. His bubba Houston just now joined him last night; he died quietly, was anemic, and Susan came over to see him before his passing. They both died after missing some time on their daily interferon, don't know for sure if that's connected, but I do think it is. They were both sweet loving kitties, playful, mischievous, just wonderful. I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss them. They'll be in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mr. Black Kitty, and all the rest. Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007
I'm sure they didn't feel really lucky in those traps, but I bet they felt pretty good about it before long! As it was, the woodsy area where they lived was partially plowed down, the person feeding them moved, and besides being crowed out, it was next to a huge high-traffic shopping center and just off a busy highway -- they probably wouldn't have lasted long there. I named them Dallas and Houston right after they got to Gloria's. I think she kept them at first because I was going out of town -- to Dallas. And then she let them stay. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That's a great background story, Susan. Thanks to you and then Gloria, these little souls got lucky for the rest of their all-too-short lives. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007 Houston and Dallas both were wonderful. I'll never forget trapping them. Dallas got into the first trap - this fluffy little gray and white ball. Then I waited...and waited and waited. Houston would come closer and go away - come closer, then back to the edge of the woods. I was trapping with mackerel and his appetite- thank goodness - finally got the best of him! Got them both in one day. I was sure that Dallas was going to be the first to tame down and that Houston would stay a wild man -- but Houston tamed first and best - he was beautiful, so sleek and black. They were lucky enough to get to live with Gloria and I got to see them often. Dallas was right there across the bridge ready to meet Houston, as was my Leader. How wonderful to think of all three as free and healthy and happy! TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aw, gloria, i'm sorry. GLOW to guide houston to his new place at the bridge, and to heal your heart. MC On 2/9/07, Gloria Lane wrote: My sweet Houston died last night. He came to me from Susan, who worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of Little Rock. Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV. They were just babies, and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then. That was Spring 2004. They grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the last couple of weeks of their lives. Dallas died in September 2006, of mediastinal lymphoma. His bubba Houston just now joined him last night; he died quietly, was anemic, and Susan came over to see him before his passing. They both died after missing some time on their daily interferon, don't know for sure if that's connected, but I do think it is. They were both sweet loving kitties, playful, mischievous, just wonderful. I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss them. They'll be in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mr. Black Kitty, and all the rest. Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: more praying for Lucy and Michelle, please
Consider it done. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I would like to ask you all to pray for Lucy and Michelle Michelle is thinking of helping her cross tomorrow afternoon and if she gets better, she is planning to cancel the appointment. Please continue to pray that either Lucy will feel better,, if not, pray that Lucy will have the most gentle and peaceful crossing Hideyo
Please add my Leader to the CLS
Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head.
RE: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Thanks, Kerry. Leader and his littermates were my first experience with feline leukemia positives. Guess I kind of learned on them. At that time I separated negatives and positives and didn't know anything at all about how to treat this disease. Guess Leader's legacy and that of his littermates is that now I take in feline leukemia positives on a regular basis and they mix freely with my other cats. (And all negatives who have been retested have still been negative!!) MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Oh, Susan, I'm so sorry. I'm glad you were able to say goodbye to your sweet little Leader, and that he was surrounded--literally--by a cosy symbol of your love and caring for him, and by his closest furbuddies. I'm so glad that he found you, in the first place. love and hugs, Kerryxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add my Leader to the CLS Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Please add to CLS and Special Needs List
This has not been a good weekend at my house. I have a little 4-cat feral colony I have fed daily for a year -- we've had pretty bad weather lately and I've put mounds of food out -- and haven't seen Buddy and Sissy, two little longhaired tabby littermates in over a week. Hoped that they were just coming and eating when they were hungry since there was so much food - and not coming around waiting for me to get there at my usual time. Sat. I called and called - it was a nice day, warmer and sunny, and I'd left only a small amt. of food Friday hoping they'd show up Sat. A man who lives next to where I feed them came out and told me that one of the tabbies had been hit by a car and died in his yard. From his description I think it was Buddy. I am devastated. Buddy had evolved from a totally feral little boy to a friendly fella who met me in the Backyard Burger (where the feeding station is) parking lot when he heard my car. I could pet him, even rub his tummy. If I sat still I could ease him into my lap. His sister still wouldn't let me touch her but has been getting better. I planned to relocate both Buddy and Sis to my back yard as soon as I could touch Sissy.Separating them wasn't an option. Sissy was Buddy's little shadow - she depended on him so.I didn't try to trap her since she was coming around and I figured in a month or two more I would be able to pet her. Now I am kicking myself for not relocating them sooner. I have a friend who feeds for me on Sunday and she saw Sissy -- or at least she thinks it was Sissy and not Buddy. I almost think it would be better if it were Sissy to have died because Buddy is so much more independent and open to human touch. Please add my little Buddy Bear to the CLS. He was neutered, vaccinated and negative for felv/FIV. And about 2 years old. This morning I left my little miracle man, Leader, all wrapped up in my sweatshirt on the bed - and, I think, dying. He was born with feleuk - his whole litter tested and retested positive. All his littermates died at or before about age two -- including Gloria's Mittens -- but Leader has lived to be just 2 months short of SIX years. He has been doing fine -- skinny, looking like death warmed over -- but fine until he recently got an awful URI. I've treated him with immunoregulin, Baytril, Tylosin, Naxcel, fluids. Up until last night he was eating well altho weak. This morning he wouldn't eat. Please put him on the Special Needs List and please, all, pray that he beat this URI.Thanks.
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Ditto, Michelle. We all have different feelings and opinions -- and nobody is trying to tell you what to do. What is right for one person isn't right for another. One thing I like about the list is the way we play devil's advocate for one another -- sometimes asking hard questions. Then whoever is on the receiving end can take what they want and leave the rest. Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please don't go Michelle, we all value your knowledge and input and want to be able to help you (whether by advice or just being an ear to hear) as you have helped so many of us. You having Gray there to be a 2nd pair of eyes is a blessing for YOU. Surely, you trust him to tell you if he thinks you're trying too hard to save Lucy. HIS and YOUR opinions and knowledge of Lucy are the best that exist and you have gone through the deaths of animal friends together before. And the making or not-making of the decision to assist. That said, I certainly see that a break from the list could be helpful to you and your state of mind. Would you be willing to just go No-Mail? GLOW to you and your family for strength, clarity and peace. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:49:31 PM Subject: Lucy and unsubscribing Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
YEA!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely bloodwork just came in. He's negative for everything. Vet's best guess now is a very tough URI. He'll stay on the Clindamycin and steroidal eye ointment for a total of 10 days and of course we will be watching him closely after that for any signs of recurrence. Thank you for all the helpful suggestions and kind thoughts. Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: what would you do?
Don't panic, Michelle. Since she began to eat again after the last dex shot just assume she will start again after this one. Give her a hug from me. Will continue prayers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:.5 cc. It is not giving her so much energy-- she is still just laying in the cat tree, and not eating. If I am going to give her less dex, I think I should just go back to the pred. I am really scared that she has now stopped eating for good. she ate 3 jars of baby food yesterday before I started giving her all this stuff. I should have just left well enough alone. Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:02:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, How much dex are you giving Lucy? Could you try to lower the dose significantly and see if it still helps? Nina
Re: what would you do?
Well, darn. I misunderstood. It is so frustrating when we so want them to eat and they just won't. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The last dex shot actually made her eat MORE the next morning, despite the congestion, not less. Since I wrote she ate a little more baby food. But, again, no more than 1/5 of a jar and probably not even that much. In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:13:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't panic, Michelle. Since she began to eat again after the last dex shot just assume she will start again after this one. Give her a hug from me. Will continue prayers.
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
My prayers for you both will continue, Michelle. Give Lucy a hug; I am so glad she seems to be comfortable and calmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle
Re: Mylo's Passing
I'm so, so sorry about Mylo. Nothing ever makes it easier to lose one of our precious babies. He was lucky to have you. Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your support. I took Mylo to his vet appointment yesterday. I was nervous with a pit in my stomach. Mylo seemed subdued, almost like he knew why he was there and that he was ready to let go. His little frail body lay on a blanket on the metal table. His head still up. The vet gave him a sedative to relax him and within 10 minutes it had shown it's effect on Mylo. His tiny head slowly drooped down to where his nose was touching the blanket he lay on. My spouse and I continuously stroked Mylo's head, neck and paws. The vet came back in to administer the leathal needle. The vet checked Mylo for a heart beat and told us Mylo had passed. My spouse and I stayed with Mylo privately in the room. We said our goodbyes and gave Mylo a kiss on his head as that was my favourite place to kiss him. It was difficult as we walked out of the room and I looked back at his motionless body. It hurt to leave him there. When we got home we talked a lot about Mylo. I cleaned out his litter box and put his dishes in the dishwasher. I slept with the blanket that I took him to the vet in. It was difficult for us to fall asleep. Even though I knew what we did was right for Mylo because of the state he was in, I just wanted him back. In the end, I tried my best to help him. I loved him and cared for him like he was my child. From: Kelly L Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mylo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0800 Chris, I am so very sorry you had to Mylo go, What a wonderful compassionate thing you have done for your baby. You were his voice and his heart when he could not speak for himself. Today you are full of sadness, but there is that seed of joy somewhere inside you that will grow because you have brought an end to all of Mylos pain, The very best gift you have given. Kelly _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx
Re: Lucy update
I don't know the answer to that. I have had cats die from dry FIP but not wet. The conversation I had with my vet about the wet version was when I was at his clinic in the back - he was working off and on on some of our rescue group's cats and a kitty was brought back to have fluid drawn from her abdomen -- it was that awful straw color that gives you the diagnosis you never want to hear - I will never forget that color. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yes, you are probably right. It is possible to keep draining it, but how many times do you do that? as long as they are still eating? I don't know. But you probably are right. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:27:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are euthanized. I may be wrong but I think that is how my vet described it. Keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. She has such a lot of spirit.
Re: Lucy update
As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are euthanized. I may be wrong but I think that is how my vet described it. Keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. She has such a lot of spirit. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
OT - pet psychics/animal communicators
Has anyone had any experience with Judi Byers in,. I believe, North Carolina? I know a couple of years ago when Gloria and I were searching for one of our rescue group's cats, Sam, who'd gotten away from his foster home, there were several recommendations from people on the list.One of our members has lost a cat - we've done all the obvious things -- massive amt. of flyers up, ad in paper, even on radio; many man-hours of going door to door and walking the streets and handing out handbills offering reward, crawling under houses, etc. I would bet 50-60 man-hours if we added up everyone's time. The owner came across this psychic on the internet and actually expected some closure, thinking she'd say Jack was dead. Instead she has sent email, maps that don't seem to fit the area -- enough things to make us wonder if she is legit. Also, those of you who have had positive experiences, if you have recommendations of specific people that'd be super. Thanks.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators
Thanks, all for your input! Belinda, I have forwarded the web site - know that will be helpful. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:MaryChristine, Does she have a website? I'm looking for an AC for Missy. I would like someone who is good but reasonable in price if such a thing exists. On 1/22/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one of the communicators i like a lot--because she came to it as a scientist and total sceptic!--said something that made a lot of sense, and is really important to remember: that, like people, each animal is individual. some are really talkative, psychically, and some are really reserved--so even if you have a really good communicator/psychic (and while i think there are a lot of fakes out there, i also believe there are good ones), not all will come through clearly--especially if they're scared or terribly disoriented. On 1/22/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have had a reading with her, not for any lost pet, just to talk with my guys. It seemed to be OK for the most part. Lost pets I know many AC's will say are hard to do, I belong to a list of AC's, they are not professionals, just basically honing their skills, there are a few on there that are pretty darn good though. I believe Judi checks in once in a while. Your friend may want to join and post there and see if anyone comes up with any new info. There have been several lost animals recently with mixed outcomes, one good thing it's free. It can take a couple of days to get a reading since they go in order of requests, I would have your friend put URGENT LOST PET in the subject line. Here is the list address, I hope she can get some help: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/animalcommunication/ Just remember they all volunteer their time and do not claim to be professionals, but I have been impressed with several members readings. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: animal communicator link
Thank you so much. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's the links to the transcripts from her two chats: (i appear as the queue-keeper, in my alternate identity as PHCatByte!) http://www.cathobbyist.com/articles/TranscriptMartaWilliams.html http://www.cathobbyist.com/articles/Mar3Williams.html her website is: www.martawilliams.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Jack's personality is such that he never meets a stranger - human or feline. If he has lost his collar and ID it is very possible that someone has either taken him in or at least is feeding him. With the flyer coverage -- close to 100 in the area -- and out of the immediate area at grocery stores, restaurants, car washes, etc., where the residents might gather -- it is hard to believe someone hasn't seen the flyers and the reward. But it is still possible.I know Dianne is keeping food out but I will definitely suggest going out at that time. So many good ideas from all you guys. We all appreciate it. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such a bittersweet story about the neighborhood Jack's gone missing in. It sounds like so much good will be done in his honor. Isn't that just life in a nutshell? Since the folks in that area seem so kindly disposed to animals, I'm wondering if someone has taken Jackie in, or is at least keeping him fed. I know it must be cold out, but is your friend keeping a window or door ajar in case he wanders back home? Around 3am seems to be the time when they feel safe to attempt travel. Has your friend been going outside and shaking a package of dry food around that time? Since other's have been trapped, it sounds like traps are being set where he went missing. How fortunate for the ones that have been/will be helped. Thank you Jack, now COME HOME! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Nina, thank you so much. Please do send prayers Jack's way. He disappeared on Jan. 1st and there hasn't been a day, hardly that someone from his family or our rescue group hasn't been on the streets looking for him and talking to people. I really do like the business card idea -- we did, in addition to flyers, half-size handbills -- half of an 81/2 x 11 page which we put on doors and gave to people - but the business cards are easier for people to hold on to. The neighborhood is really interesting -- an old downtown 'hood area where people are moving in and renovating old homes. Lots of boarded up homes, brushy areas mixed in with better cared for places. Last night a couple of kids brought a black cat to Dianne's (Jack's mom) door thinking it was Jack. It wasn't but Dianne took it in because it had an injured tail and took to vet this morning. She's also taken all unaltered animals she's trapped to be altered. Our rescue group has discovered in this search that this is the neighborhood where we want to begin to concentrate on tnr- we are calling our effort The Jackie Project in Jack's honor -- we have met many wonderful people with essentially zero resources who are willing to feed strays but can't afford spay neuter. Jack's nicknames are Jackie and Ducky. He is black but with a brownish tint in the sun. He has lots of sinus problems and lots of the time has the tip of his tongue sticking out. I have been amazed that every single person we have talked to -- including knocking on the door at all hours -- has been indredible -- not one single person has refused a request to let us check basements or walk their property -- and we have felt safe even though this is a neighborhood high in drug activity and police activity. Other than not finding Jack yet it has been a totally positive experience.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Kelley
Thank you!We've located lost cats after 4-5 weeks -- it really helps to hear about one found after 2 months!While we haven't found Jack we also haven't found a body or his red collar -- so there is hope. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is an awesome site that helps people find their lost pets. http://www.lostapet.org/ I hope Jack comes home safely. I had a rescue kitty escape from my home last year in early January and found her in March by the garbage cans, so you never know. On 1/22/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such a bittersweet story about the neighborhood Jack's gone missing in. It sounds like so much good will be done in his honor. Isn't that just life in a nutshell? Since the folks in that area seem so kindly disposed to animals, I'm wondering if someone has taken Jackie in, or is at least keeping him fed. I know it must be cold out, but is your friend keeping a window or door ajar in case he wanders back home? Around 3am seems to be the time when they feel safe to attempt travel. Has your friend been going outside and shaking a package of dry food around that time? Since other's have been trapped, it sounds like traps are being set where he went missing. How fortunate for the ones that have been/will be helped. Thank you Jack, now COME HOME! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Nina, thank you so much. Please do send prayers Jack's way. He disappeared on Jan. 1st and there hasn't been a day, hardly that someone from his family or our rescue group hasn't been on the streets looking for him and talking to people. I really do like the business card idea -- we did, in addition to flyers, half-size handbills -- half of an 81/2 x 11 page which we put on doors and gave to people - but the business cards are easier for people to hold on to. The neighborhood is really interesting -- an old downtown 'hood area where people are moving in and renovating old homes. Lots of boarded up homes, brushy areas mixed in with better cared for places. Last night a couple of kids brought a black cat to Dianne's (Jack's mom) door thinking it was Jack. It wasn't but Dianne took it in because it had an injured tail and took to vet this morning. She's also taken all unaltered animals she's trapped to be altered. Our rescue group has discovered in this search that this is the neighborhood where we want to begin to concentrate on tnr- we are calling our effort The Jackie Project in Jack's honor -- we have met many wonderful people with essentially zero resources who are willing to feed strays but can't afford spay neuter. Jack's nicknames are Jackie and Ducky. He is black but with a brownish tint in the sun. He has lots of sinus problems and lots of the time has the tip of his tongue sticking out. I have been amazed that every single person we have talked to -- including knocking on the door at all hours -- has been indredible -- not one single person has refused a request to let us check basements or walk their property -- and we have felt safe even though this is a neighborhood high in drug activity and police activity. Other than not finding Jack yet it has been a totally positive experience. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Wow, that is encouraging. Know what you mean about people thinking you are nuts! We don't venture far into some parts of the neighborhood with out a second or third person along -- but I think we've felt pretty safe because people kind of treat us like we are nuts -- and harmless!! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am convinced that someone had taken Ursula in even though they knew that she was being searched for. Ursula, if I do say so myself, is quite a stunning Calico and I think the person just didn't want to give her up. One of the hints I had from the psychic was that Ursula could see a picket fence from the window she was sitting in. My house has a picket fence too, so I approached the other like-fenced houses in the neighborhood with the story, (they all think I'm nuts anyway), that I thought maybe Ursula might have gotten confused by the similarity and went into their yard. I was relentless in my search and I suspect that this person finally opened the door and let her out in the middle of the night. Of course I couldn't sleep while she was gone and I got up in the middle of the night to find her sitting outside our sliding glass door waiting to be let in. I had to blink twice to make sure I wasn't imagining her there. She was in great shape, not even hungry, that also made me suspect someone was trying to keep her as their own. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Jack's personality is such that he never meets a stranger - human or feline. If he has lost his collar and ID it is very possible that someone has either taken him in or at least is feeding him. With the flyer coverage -- close to 100 in the area -- and out of the immediate area at grocery stores, restaurants, car washes, etc., where the residents might gather -- it is hard to believe someone hasn't seen the flyers and the reward. But it is still possible. I know Dianne is keeping food out but I will definitely suggest going out at that time. So many good ideas from all you guys. We all appreciate it.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Most of the dogs we have come across are strictly for protection - and we wonder how well cared for. The search team yesterday came across several yards full of what we think is fighting dogs in training -- we have to address that in addition to the cat issues. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My neighborhood is not nearly so friendly to animals as Jack's seems to be. They're not exactly abusive, but very, very neglectful. Lot's of Oh we love our dog, while they keep her chained up ignored in the front yard. It's the main reason our house is overflowing with fourleggers. When an animal goes missing, most of the folks around here don't even look for them, (or answer found ads in the paper), they just go get another one and their old pets end up at my house :( . They don't for a minute understand my dedication, but they usually treat me with indulgence. They think the way I perceive animal rights is crazy, but they seem to smile on my efforts anyway. It's very frustrating, but I keep trying to educate. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Wow, that is encouraging. Know what you mean about people thinking you are nuts! We don't venture far into some parts of the neighborhood with out a second or third person along -- but I think we've felt pretty safe because people kind of treat us like we are nuts -- and harmless!!
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Animal Control is -- better than it used to be. We haven't been able to get them to round up the pack of dogs running in the area but in a miracle of a turn of events just a little while ago we found out that the head of AC is going to work with our rescue group on Operation Jack that our President just proposed to him -- a massive TNR effort in Jack's neighborhood. We determined that we needed to do this and got all our input during our searches for Jack. He is offering his facility to our vet -- and will sanction the altered animals and not pick them up -- we will ear-tip so AC will know what is what. I can't tell you what a development this is -- it is groundbreaking for this city -- such a big development that we can't really take it all in yet. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my dear, be very careful. You're not going to find anyone being indulgent or open to education under those circumstances. How is Animal Control around there? Don't let those people think for a minute that you will be sticking your nose in their horrid business. Covert is definitely the word for dealing with that sort of thing. Just the thought makes my stomach churn. The dogs for protection people can sometimes be reached with reason and tact, (hard to do, but you have to approach them as if you do believe they have some feelings for their animals). There was a group of people, I can't remember the organization's name, that used to go door to door with things like run lines to install for dogs chained up. You know, a line strung from tree to tree, (or post to post), that would allow the dog a little more freedom of movement. They'd bring gifts of food and supplies and try to get their message out to the people that might be swayed. Bless their hearts, and your's too, it seems to be a never ending uphill battle. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Most of the dogs we have come across are strictly for protection - and we wonder how well cared for. The search team yesterday came across several yards full of what we think is fighting dogs in training -- we have to address that in addition to the cat issues.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
We are literally in shock because it is such an unexpected thing. What a wonderful idea to microchip tnr cats! So far what we have been able to work out with AC was for our previous director to evaluate cats in the feral room to separate truly feral from just fractious. They he ok'd us taking any feral we could relocate. They still withhold the existence of a feral room from the general public when they go in searching for a cat they've lost. But the current situation sure beats the way it used to be -- the only way out of the feral room was to the euthanasia room. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG that's fantastic!! A friend of mine has been trying to work with the shelter in her area to not pts tipped ferals. Her rescue group is now micro chipping all their tnr cats so that they know the colony to return them to. Small grueling steps can sometimes pay off. Oh so good for you guys! The icing on the cake would be for Jack to come home! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Animal Control is -- better than it used to be. We haven't been able to get them to round up the pack of dogs running in the area but in a miracle of a turn of events just a little while ago we found out that the head of AC is going to work with our rescue group on Operation Jack that our President just proposed to him -- a massive TNR effort in Jack's neighborhood. We determined that we needed to do this and got all our input during our searches for Jack. He is offering his facility to our vet -- and will sanction the altered animals and not pick them up -- we will ear-tip so AC will know what is what. I can't tell you what a development this is -- it is groundbreaking for this city -- such a big development that we can't really take it all in yet.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
I'm in LIttle Rock, AR. Wish you were here to work with us!! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's so ridiculous to think that just anyone could tell a frantic out-of-their-mind with fear house cat from a feral under those conditions. And for Heaven's sake, not giving people access to the feral room when they are searching for their cats is unconscionable. I hate going to the shelter, some of the worst of my haunting images come from those brave, stoic ferals waiting on death row. I'm always battling my sensitivities that make me want to pull the covers over my head with the NEED to get involved. Where do you live? I wish I had such wonderful like-minded people to join forces with. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: We are literally in shock because it is such an unexpected thing. What a wonderful idea to microchip tnr cats! So far what we have been able to work out with AC was for our previous director to evaluate cats in the feral room to separate truly feral from just fractious. They he ok'd us taking any feral we could relocate. They still withhold the existence of a feral room from the general public when they go in searching for a cat they've lost. But the current situation sure beats the way it used to be -- the only way out of the feral room was to the euthanasia room.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Kelley
I will -- we WILL find him! Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad it helps. I so hope you find him. Let us know when you do:). On 1/22/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you!We've located lost cats after 4-5 weeks -- it really helps to hear about one found after 2 months!While we haven't found Jack we also haven't found a body or his red collar -- so there is hope. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an awesome site that helps people find their lost pets. http://www.lostapet.org/ I hope Jack comes home safely. I had a rescue kitty escape from my home last year in early January and found her in March by the garbage cans, so you never know. On 1/22/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such a bittersweet story about the neighborhood Jack's gone missing in. It sounds like so much good will be done in his honor. Isn't that just life in a nutshell? Since the folks in that area seem so kindly disposed to animals, I'm wondering if someone has taken Jackie in, or is at least keeping him fed. I know it must be cold out, but is your friend keeping a window or door ajar in case he wanders back home? Around 3am seems to be the time when they feel safe to attempt travel. Has your friend been going outside and shaking a package of dry food around that time? Since other's have been trapped, it sounds like traps are being set where he went missing. How fortunate for the ones that have been/will be helped. Thank you Jack, now COME HOME! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Nina, thank you so much. Please do send prayers Jack's way. He disappeared on Jan. 1st and there hasn't been a day, hardly that someone from his family or our rescue group hasn't been on the streets looking for him and talking to people. I really do like the business card idea -- we did, in addition to flyers, half-size handbills -- half of an 81/2 x 11 page which we put on doors and gave to people - but the business cards are easier for people to hold on to. The neighborhood is really interesting -- an old downtown 'hood area where people are moving in and renovating old homes. Lots of boarded up homes, brushy areas mixed in with better cared for places. Last night a couple of kids brought a black cat to Dianne's (Jack's mom) door thinking it was Jack. It wasn't but Dianne took it in because it had an injured tail and took to vet this morning. She's also taken all unaltered animals she's trapped to be altered. Our rescue group has discovered in this search that this is the neighborhood where we want to begin to concentrate on tnr- we are calling our effort The Jackie Project in Jack's honor -- we have met many wonderful people with essentially zero resources who are willing to feed strays but can't afford spay neuter. Jack's nicknames are Jackie and Ducky. He is black but with a brownish tint in the sun. He has lots of sinus problems and lots of the time has the tip of his tongue sticking out. I have been amazed that every single person we have talked to -- including knocking on the door at all hours -- has been indredible -- not one single person has refused a request to let us check basements or walk their property -- and we have felt safe even though this is a neighborhood high in drug activity and police activity. Other than not finding Jack yet it has been a totally positive experience. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: urgent-- anyone have feline interferon (omega)??
Hideyo - thank you for sending to her. Fingers crossed and many prayers for both Michelle and Lucy. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for letting us know. I sure hope it helps Lucy. I also hope it helps Michelle to know that some is coming. I hate being at that point where you don't know what to do next. Did Michelle tell you if Lucy's temp is down? Blessings to all, Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I just shipped some to Michelle she is very exhausted right now so I am responding on her behalf.
Re: Lucy--what to do?
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has seemed to feel better. Will be interested in seeing what the really experienced folks suggest. Good luck. Prayers for you and Lucy. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a return appointment for tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until tomorrow, and that I will get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and internist look at the reports, with a plan. Meanwhile, this morning Lucy is not eating at all. I syringed her a little food, but am concerned at the worsening of symptoms. Her back end seems ok now, but she is drinking more. her fever went down last night with fluids and ice packs, but she is warm again-- but can't tell if this is because she is lying in the sun (her choice). She can walk to litter box and jump up on 1 foot tall cardboard box without problems. Her pads and gums are still a little pink, though light pink. Thanks to Hideyo, I now have feline interferon and epogen. The oncologist is insisting that I not start her on anything until they look at all the test results. If she has an infection or heart disease, steroids could be harmful. If her blood cells are regenerating but then dying, epogen won't help and she could have a reaction. I have not heard back on any particular reason not to start the feline interferon. Do you think I should start her on something, against the advice of the oncologist and internist? I generally trust specialists, but it seems clear she is going down hill and days are passing. Plus, a friend's dog had neurological problems and saw specialists at a big hospital in Boston for a week before they tested for lyme disease (which I had suggested immediately)-- they had had him on steroids, then when finally saw he had lyme put him on heavy doses of antibiotics and stopped the steroids, and when he got worse they put him back on heavy doses of both and he pulled through. Obviously it would have been better if a) they had tested him immediately (they had not thought the neuro symptoms matched lyme) and b) absent the test if they had just loaded him up with both abx and steroids. So I am wary of specialists waiting for test results that take a while before starting treatment when an animal is going downhill. At the same time, I don't want to harm any possible treatment she could ultimately get if they figure something out. Do any of you have strong opinions or thoughts on this? Thanks, Michelle
Re: Lucy--what to do?
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How soon did the cat feel better from epogen? In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has seemed to feel better. Will be interested in seeing what the really experienced folks suggest. Good luck. Prayers for you and Lucy.
RE: Lucy--what to do?
Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought my
Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that isn't physiologically
possible -- do you think I just imagined it?
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:v\:*
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I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate
response for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an effect
and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as it will
increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could cause seizures
the both of these things happened to my baby Hannibal whom I was treating his
anemia due to CRF but when anemia happens due to CRF, you really dont have
much choice but to use epogen as otherwise you would lose a cat from anemia..
my Ayumi is on epogen.. it does not make her feel better directly, but her PCV
is slowly going up because of it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL
PROTECTED] writes:
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no
reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the
kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has
seemed to feel better. Will be interested in seeing what the really
experienced folks suggest. Good luck. Prayers for you and Lucy.
RE: Lucy--what to do?
Blood pressure increasing from very low sure may have been behind feeling
better. I need to learn more about the side effects before I consider using
it again. Our rescue group's vet tech recommended it for a couple of cats in
the past but Valley was the first of my own I used it on. Thanks!
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:v\:*
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I dont think you imagined it at all you know your baby, Valley more than
anything else probably, and I am sure that she was feeling better but not
sure if it was the epogen that caused and its possible if your kittys BP
is very low, and epogen will very quickly increase BP and it might be related
to that??
I just did not want Michelle to expect to see the immediate response from
epogen, as she may be discourage if it did not, but wanted her to know its
okay if she did not see any immediate response, but rather wanted her to warn
about high BP causing blindness --J
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?
Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought
my Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that isn't
physiologically possible -- do you think I just imagined it?
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate
response for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an effect
and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as it will
increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could cause seizures
the both of these things happened to my baby Hannibal whom I was treating his
anemia due to CRF but when anemia happens due to CRF, you really dont have
much choice but to use epogen as otherwise you would lose a cat from anemia..
my Ayumi is on epogen.. it does not make her feel better directly, but her PCV
is slowly going up because of it.
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL
PROTECTED] writes:
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no
reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the
kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has
seemed to feel better. Will be interested in seeing what the really
experienced folks suggest. Good luck. Prayers for you and Lucy.
Re: Prayers needed for Lucy-- very serious
Good luck, Michelle, with Lucy's visit to the other vet. Many many prayers coming your way from my house. I know what you mean about loving her more -- that is the way I felt about my Daisy who died in Oct. Sometimes one kitty will just be -- for lack of better terms, a soulmate. Give her a hug from me and my feleuk gang. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy's temp spiked to 106.7 tonight so I took her to the ER. They did blood work and her HCt is at 18 and her bun and liver enzymes are low. They took xrays and it looked to them (ER doctors, who I don't really trust to read xrays totally correctly) like she has fluid in her abdomen and an enlarged heart. They tapped the fluid and could not tell what it is. With IV fluids and some torbutrol her temp came down to 100.6 in two hours. I then took her home, against their advice, because they did not seem to think they could do anything and she was miserable there. I have an appointment for 7:30 am at Red Bank, the best vet hospital in the state, with an oncologist. It is 2 hours away, so we need to leave at 5:30 am. Lucy hates car rides, but I want a better diagnosis, and I want it from the best people. Except for the fact that she is still eating (probably not normally, but not completely terribly either) and alert, and her protein ratio which does not point to FIP, her clinical signs and blood work otherwise could mean wet FIP. The ER vet thinks it's lymphoma. She was trying to convince me that FeLV+ cats dont respond to chemo, even though I told her I had one who did and know others with cats who have. It is possible it is FIP, it is possible that it is lymphoma so bad that nothing can be done or that she has heart problems that will complicate chemo and I can't do it. But I want to try, at least, to get a better diagnosis before deciding all of this. She is happy to be home for now. She ate a little bit of cooked turkey, probably 10 or 15 little pieces. Please pray hard for her. It does not look good. I hope she can at least have some good time left. she is my baby, more than any of the others, though I love them too. she is my love. Michelle
Re: Prayers needed for Lucy-- very serious
Michelle, do give her a little while to recover from this morning. She has been through a lot, being poked and prodded and tested. Unless you get a gut feeling that she's definitely going downhill think about giving her 24 hours. I think that is what I would do if she were mine -- but being there with her of course that might not feel right. Don't panic - take a deep breath and relax so that she will not feel your stress. Praying for you both. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The oncologist and internist can not figure out what is wrong with her. The things that can cause abdominal fluids are lymphoma, FIP, a ruptured intestine, pancreatitis, and other infection. She has some symptoms of each, but not enough of any of them to make it seem like the diagnosis. They did ultrasound and biopsy, looked at the fluid again, and could not come up with anything. They sent out cytology of fluid and biopsy of lymph nodes and sent us home with her. Upon getting home, she looks much worse. She does not want to eat except for a few pieces of EVo dry food, and I am afraid to give her more of it due to her IBD. She is kind of hunched up and looks nauseous and out of it. She lets me pet her and purrs, but really looks awful. She did not look this way before I took her to the hospital, or even while so feverish last night. The oncologist had said that if her clinical signs get worse, e.g. she stops eating, to bring her back and admit her for more tests. I am so loathe to do that, especially today right from getting home. I am going to give her a few hours and see if she gets any better. I would feel better if she would just curl up and sleep, but she doesn't. I offered her her turkey and she looked like she was going to be sick from smelling it. She was also a little wobbly coming up the stairs. We thought maybe they had tranquilized her to get the biopsy but they said no. She has not really eaten now since last night (I withheld food this morning so don't know if she would have eaten or not). Any thoughts appreciated, and prayers definitely appreciated. Very exhausted and worried and sad here. Michelle
RE: Please add Jimi Too Cool to the CLS
Anne, what a great picture of Jimi Too Cool - his pic fits his name. I am so sorry you lost him. It is always too soon. Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What an adorable picture, Anne! Thanks for sharing it. He really does look just Too Cool. Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of anne Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please add Jimi Too Cool to the CLS Dear Gloria, Nina and Faye, Thank you so much for your beautiful messages. Faye, thank you for coming forward just for my boy, and Gloria, as always, thank you. and Nina, always, too. Nina, I appreciated your thoughts about loss and transition so much. I have a long time internet friend with whom we have many discussions and are constantly trying to find a way to deal with this awful grief, not only for our own cats and dogs but for animals everywhere. She and I both have a lot of animal friends living with us (although I no longer take any in, due to financial problems, and haven't for a few years now) so we both know we will have to face many more heartwrenching goodbyes. Your thoughts were very helpful for me. If you don't mind, I would like to share them with my friend? I can leave your name and email off, of course, and just paste your comments, if that would be all right. Also, I got a very wonderful message from Paolo in Italy asking for pictures of Jimi Too Cool so I sent him a couple but wondered, like he wondered, if maybe any of you might like to see him, too. I don't know how to post pictures to this group but I did make a little web page for him a few years ago that has a picture of him on it, if anyone would like to see what he looked like. The address is http://ourworld.cs.com/annlmla2/myhomepage/cat.html Thanks, everyone, Anne and Simms and Sophie and Jimi Too Cool, in spirit, always, among other fur covered friends This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: New member introduction/questions
Did you give the IR subQ or IM? G. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What dosage? At 06:27 PM 12/13/2006, you wrote: Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would say within two weeks. Update The URI seems better and I am able to put the erythromycin ointment in his eye. This I had left from when he was in an accident and his eye was damaged. The vet has yet to call me back. I called today and it seemed like the main message of getting something for Junior's eye went unread. I did leave here papers on the Alferon to read. She is not there tomorrow, so I may have to stop by and see what I can get. Best of luck with your kitty. Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Tillman Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:23 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New member introduction/questions Hi Folks, I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2 years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye, which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back. During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is in good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts in regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input. Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
I just forwarded it TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there someone on the list who can crosspost this onto the FIP list, please? that's about the best chance right now, because trying to educate people at the last minute isn't gonna do a whole lot of good. On 12/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. This doesn't make any sense. FIP is a mutation of a coronavirus to which almost all cats are exposed. It isn't directly contagious. I would love to get her into a home so she will not be put to sleep, she is pending a biopsy and it should come back tommorow and then they most likely will have to put her to sleep. Is she symptomatic? My understanding is that FIP is fatal 100% of the time. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas CityS iame se Rescue cats
Gloria, I have a transport. Either Merry will bring or Sharon Morris will connect with her over Xmas in Springfield. Would like to find them a home, tho, besides my overcrowded one. Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought I'd re-forward this in case you couldn't see the attachment message. Can anybody take these FELV babies (presently in Kansas City) or transport to Arkansas? Gloria - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Fwd: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas CityS iame se Rescue I am forwarding this from KC Siamese Rescue. . Hello Susan! Thank you for considering Crash (the Brit SH) and Bill Murray (who is a Birman instead of Siamese). They are both HIGHLY social and loving. Bill is almost annoying, hes so sweet! And Crash has this itty bitty wussy meow. Cracks me up! Okay, heres the Background. Crash came into rescue a year and ahalf ago, (about a year old). Tested Negative at that time. Was in 2 different foster homes the 1st 6mths, placed out on an adoption for about 4mths and came back in in the spring (April or May, Ive had him since). At that time, we discovered a FeLeuk outbreak in one of his 1st foster homes. He was retested a weak positive (at that time). And that is truly all He has ever tested. The last one, about a month ago (Snap test ) was so weak you could barely see the color change. So we ran the Eliza (sendout) Which was positive. None of the other cats he had been with ever tested positive. Bill Murray came in as a 2month old kitten this summer.Tested Negative initially, but has had the usual colds etc. Was retested AFTER finding A new intake that was fe leuk positive in the same colony he was in again, hes the only one that tested positive after 45 days. They are now their own colony in one of my bathrooms! My personal cats are FeLeuk vaccinated, but I frequently do have fosters loose in my house. Please let me know if there is anything else you need on them Id be glad to make a donation or send food or whatever. They are current on their vaccinations as well. Alisa Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You...my world revolves around cats! -Original Message- From: Drew Merry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:24 AM To: 'Susan Loesch'; Drew Merry Cc: Alisa M Sacco (E-mail); 'Alisa Sacco' (E-mail) Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats That's wonderful, Susan. You are a very special lady. Hopefully, Alisa will contact you soon. Let me know if there is anything at all that I can do to help you out. Merry -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:04 AM To: Drew Merry Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats Thanks, Merry. As you can tell I am really leaning toward taking. I do love the feleuk babies, kitten or adult. Since I only take in unadoptables for my rescue group -- feleuk, chronic illnesses, biters, ver elderly, etc, and since I keep them and all my cats vaccinated, I don't isolate feleuks. They mix freely with my guys - with our vet's blessing. I've never yet had one of my cats contract feleuk. They snuggle up in bed with me along with all the rest! Drew Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am cc'ing their foster mom and she can tell you more about them than I can. Will have her get in contact with you and fill you in on the background of both boys. -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:45 AM To: Drew Merry Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats I am very much leaning toward taking them. Last spring I lost Cheyenne, a little feleuk Siamese girl who came from a kill shelter in Corsicana, Tx at 4 mo. She lived over almost 2 years with me. Crash sounds like he might have acquired feleuk as an adullt - or if as a baby, is just very lucky to be healthy longer. What can you tell me about their background. Drew Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure how old Crash the British Shorthair is for sure. I know that he is a young adult, probably around 2 years old or so. I think that the Siamese boy is around 7 months old. They are both really cool boys. Sure take all the time you need to think about it. Their foster mom has them isolated. I will be off on vacation from December 12 until I go back to work on my birthday of December 26. So I am more than willing to drive all the way to Little Rock if you need me to. Thank you so much for even considering this. We all understand that I have too
Fwd: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats
I am forwarding this from KC Siamese Rescue. Is there anyone in their area or withing driving distance who might be able to take either or both of these babies? I am in LIttle Rock, AR and am considering it because they will be euth'd otherwise, as I understand it. I don't really have room, so if there is anyone else who does, that would be super. Alisa is the foster mom and Merry Drew is the person who originally contacted me. Note: forwarded message attached.---BeginMessage--- Hello Susan! Thank you for considering Crash (the Brit SH) and Bill Murray (who is a Birman instead of Siamese). They are both HIGHLY social and loving. Bill is almost annoying, hes so sweet! And Crash has this itty bitty wussy meow. Cracks me up! Okay, heres the Background. Crash came into rescue a year and ahalf ago, (about a year old). Tested Negative at that time. Was in 2 different foster homes the 1st 6mths, placed out on an adoption for about 4mths and came back in in the spring (April or May, Ive had him since). At that time, we discovered a FeLeuk outbreak in one of his 1st foster homes. He was retested a weak positive (at that time). And that is truly all He has ever tested. The last one, about a month ago (Snap test ) was so weak you could barely see the color change. So we ran the Eliza (sendout) Which was positive. None of the other cats he had been with ever tested positive. Bill Murray came in as a 2month old kitten this summer.Tested Negative initially, but has had the usual colds etc. Was retested AFTER finding A new intake that was fe leuk positive in the same colony he was in again, hes the only one that tested positive after 45 days. They are now their own colony in one of my bathrooms! My personal cats are FeLeuk vaccinated, but I frequently do have fosters loose in my house. Please let me know if there is anything else you need on them Id be glad to make a donation or send food or whatever. They are current on their vaccinations as well. Alisa Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You...my world revolves around cats! -Original Message- From: Drew Merry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:24 AM To: 'Susan Loesch'; Drew Merry Cc: Alisa M Sacco (E-mail); 'Alisa Sacco' (E-mail) Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats That's wonderful, Susan. You are a very special lady. Hopefully, Alisa will contact you soon. Let me know if there is anything at all that I can do to help you out. Merry -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:04 AM To: Drew Merry Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats Thanks, Merry. As you can tell I am really leaning toward taking. I do love the feleuk babies, kitten or adult. Since I only take in unadoptables for my rescue group -- feleuk, chronic illnesses, biters, ver elderly, etc, and since I keep them and all my cats vaccinated, I don't isolate feleuks. They mix freely with my guys - with our vet's blessing. I've never yet had one of my cats contract feleuk. They snuggle up in bed with me along with all the rest! Drew Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am cc'ing their foster mom and she can tell you more about them than I can. Will have her get in contact with you and fill you in on the background of both boys. -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:45 AM To: Drew Merry Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats I am very much leaning toward taking them. Last spring I lost Cheyenne, a little feleuk Siamese girl who came from a kill shelter in Corsicana, Tx at 4 mo. She lived over almost 2 years with me. Crash sounds like he might have acquired feleuk as an adullt - or if as a baby, is just very lucky to be healthy longer. What can you tell me about their background. Drew Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure how old Crash the British Shorthair is for sure. I know that he is a young adult, probably around 2 years old or so. I think that the Siamese boy is around 7 months old. They are both really cool boys. Sure take all the time you need to think about it. Their foster mom has them isolated. I will be off on vacation from December 12 until I go back to work on my birthday of December 26. So I am more than willing to drive all the way to Little Rock if you need me to. Thank you so much for even considering this. We all understand that I have too many cats feeling. Merry -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:29 AM To: Drew Merry Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats I am considering it. I have lost feleuk babies lately -- so as far as feleuk goes I have
Thank you from Valley's mom
Thanks all of you who wrote after Valley's death. Am just now getting back to a computer and going through email. I appreciate each and every message - your support means so much - as we find out all too often. You guys are the best support system in the world.
Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry
He is better and I am so grateful. Thank you. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Susan, So many losses. I'm so sorry. I hope Valley recuperates. It's tough with positive cats. We can only do the best we can. t Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my library cats, who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain. Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom. And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call Dai-doo and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her. Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has anyone ever experienced anything like this? She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart. And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in. He is another of my library cats who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically dead and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas? I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.
Re: Update on Valley - and thank you
He has improved on the Epogen alone. My vet - who I have 100% trust in -- and I discussed a transfusion. He said he'd seen a transfusion kill a cat with a low crit -- and based on that and on Valley's overall condition even with the low crit we decided against. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Did he get the transfusion as well? or has he improved just on the epogen? Michelle In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:21:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks. I was so sure Sunday that he was dying - gave him the 2nd Epogen shot Monday morning. No improvement Monday night or Tues morning - but last night -- I almost couldn't believe my eyes!
Re: another prayer for my ayumi and need suggestion
Many prayers coming from me and my gang, Hideyo. You have a hard choice to
make. I don't know enough to give you good imput but I know others on the
list do. Good luck.
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }It seems that its
always more with me. .but I need to ask you for a big prayers and support for
my baby ayumi
She has been having really bad gum/mouth ulcers and she cant really eat most
of the time the vet feels that she will feel better after the dental, but I
had resisted in because she has had pre-existing heart condition (the vet
thinks its much better now), anemic (cause unknown other than the
benezeprail made her very anemic once to HCT 20 now its stagnant around 25 to
26 or so at this point) one time, it seems that her kidney function ,BUN was
increased, now it seems to be normal.. also her BP is very low between 65 to
80 and also I lost 4 cats to fip, now Rikki is having ARF with unknown cause
(FIP?) - I am very nervous about whether I should do a dental for her --- its
tentatively scheduled for tomorrow but I am debating.. due to low BP, and
anethesic can even lower it during the surgery,, I am so nerovous about it
the vet suggested that I use predisolone to reduce inflammation, but I have not
tried it-
Please share your thought whether I should do dental for her tomorr0w on
and off she can eat very well..which is odd she is my very first cat I
brought form Japan and she means the world to me .. any insight is appreciated.
Re: Update on Valley - and thank you
Thanks! I am so proud of him! wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Great to hear this!!! Go Valley!!! :) Wendy --- Susan Loesch wrote: My big flamepoint Siamese, Valley, who had the 7 hematocrit, is much better!! Thank you all for your prayers, good vibes and input. He has now had two shots of Epogen. Last night he came into the kitchen to drink water with the other kids rather than my taking a bowl to hiim. He came into the den and jumped up on the couch - where he spent the night. This morning I took him to the litterbox as I have been doiing and he jumped right out - which tells me that he is going on his own now. Also, for the first time in almost a week I didn't have to syringe-feed him. He ate Fancy Feast on his own. My vet says his gums look better - I wasn't sure. We are now doing a hide and watch - and wait and see if he continues to feel better and if his gums pinken some more. We may go to an Epogen shot once per week. I am very encouraged! The all-new Yahoo! Mail beta Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: One year ago today
I really like that - memories will warm the heart rather than break it. That time is still to come for so many of us -- my Bessie and Daisy -- it will be a while. But one of my kids here at school was talking to me about Daisy, who was one of our Library Cats - and he said something I just loved -- Daisy will never leave my memory. She was a cool cat And he was right - but the memory will change and some day warm my heart. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could forget they would have meant nothing to begin with. Memories begin to warm the heart instead of break it. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: One year ago today You're welcome Sherry. Thanks for being a part of this group. One year ago this past Friday was the day I lost Cricket. It does get easier, but we never forget, do we? :) Wendy --- Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi all, a year ago today my beautiful Maizee Grace crossed the Rainbow Bridge,I still miss her very much.Because of her,I found the wonderful people of this group.And the wonderful people at Crash's and Sids. Thank you all so much for being here for me.You all helped me get through the many times that I questioned if what I did was right.She still lives very much in my heart and I believe she always will,Maizee was a very special girl that came into my life for a too short of time,but I believe she led me to do what I do.Love all these wonderful sick furkids as much as I can for as long as we have them.Once again thank you all. Sherry - Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online www.Classesusa.com
Re: for all the sick kitties - kind of OT
How very special!!! wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VERY COOL!!! :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just want you to know I'm running a marathon today. People sometimes dedicate every mile to someone different - I've got 25 kitties names I've taken from the list (some sick, some already at the bridge) written on my bib and I'll be dedicating a mile to each of them. The first mile is for ALL the kitties. Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
Update on Valley - and thank you
My big flamepoint Siamese, Valley, who had the 7 hematocrit, is much better!! Thank you all for your prayers, good vibes and input.He has now had two shots of Epogen. Last night he came into the kitchen to drink water with the other kids rather than my taking a bowl to hiim. He came into the den and jumped up on the couch - where he spent the night. This morning I took him to the litterbox as I have been doiing and he jumped right out - which tells me that he is going on his own now. Also, for the first time in almost a week I didn't have to syringe-feed him. He ate Fancy Feast on his own. My vet says his gums look better - I wasn't sure. We are now doing a "hide and watch" - and wait and see if he continues to feel better and if his gums pinken some more.We may go toan Epogen shot once per week. I am very encouraged!
Re: Update on Valley - and thank you
The thanks goes to everyone on the list!! I got such good advice and input and Valley, I know, profited from all the prayers and good vibes.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is very good news! Thankyou for letting us know.elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:49 PMSubject: Update on Valley - and thank youMy big flamepoint Siamese, Valley, who had the 7 hematocrit, is much better!! Thank you all for your prayers, good vibes and input.He has now had two shots of Epogen. Last night he came into the kitchen to drink water with the other kids rather than my taking a bowl to hiim. He came into the den and jumped up on the couch - where he spent the night. This morning I took him to the litterbox as I have been doiing and he jumped right out - which tells me that he is going on his own now. Also, for the first time in almost a week I didn't have to syringe-feed him. He ate Fancy Feast on his own. My vet says his gums look better - I wasn't sure. We are now doing a "hide and watch" - and wait and see if he continues to feel better and if his gums pinken some more.We may go toan Epogen shot once per week. I am very encouraged! Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Update on Valley - and thank you
Thanks. I was so sure Sunday that he was dying - gave him the 2ndEpogen shot Monday morning. No improvement Monday night or Tues morning - but last night -- I almost couldn't believe my eyes!"G. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan! That's wonderful!!! Wow!GloriaAt 12:49 PM 11/15/2006, you wrote:My big flamepoint Siamese, Valley, who had the 7 hematocrit, is much better!! Thank you all for your prayers, good vibes and input.He has now had two shots of Epogen. Last night he came into the kitchen to drink water with the other kids rather than my taking a bowl to hiim. He came into the den and jumped up on the couch - where he spent the night. This morning I took him to the litterbox as I have been doiing and he jumped right out - which tells me that he is going on his own now. Also, for the first time in almost a week I didn't have to syringe-feed him. He ate Fancy Feast on his own. My vet says his gums look better - I wasn't sure. We are now doing a "hide and watch" - and wait and see if he continues to feel better and if his gums pinken some more. We may go to an Epogen shot once per week. I am very encouraged!
Re: Update on Valley - and thank you
It is really a mixed emotion, isn't it -- so thrilled that he is better but afraid to really enjoy the feeling. Living in the moment is definitely the way to go. I visualize Valley strong and healthy and back here at school with me and the kids in the library here!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Susan, we all understand that feeling of being "cautiously thrilled". Go ahead and rejoice in Valley feeling better. I'm praying he's on the road to full recovery, but any improvement is cause for celebration. Live in the moment and when you do think about the future, visualize him healthy and strong. Hugs to you both,NinaSusan Loesch wrote: Thanks. I am trying to be cautiously thrilled!"Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so happy for you and Valley! Way to go, dude!Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Susan LoeschSent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Update on Valley - and thank you My big flamepoint Siamese, Valley, who had the 7 hematocrit, is much better!! Thank you all for your prayers, good vibes and input.He has now had two shots of Epogen. Last night he came into the kitchen to drink water with the other kids rather than my taking a bowl to hiim. He came into the den and jumped up on the couch - where he spent the night. This morning I took him to the litterbox as I have been doiing and he jumped right out - which tells me that he is going on his own now. Also, for the first time in almost a week I didn't have to syringe-feed him. He ate Fancy Feast on his own. My vet says his gums look better - I wasn't sure. We are now doing a "hide and watch" - and wait and see if he continues to feel better and if his gums pinken some more.We may go toan Epogen shot once per week. I am very encouraged!
Re: Update on Valley - and thank you
It really is, isn't it! Hope he continues to be my "good news kid"~![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YAY!!! For Valley...nice to have some good news for a change!Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: Prayers needed for Gus and Evander
Lots of prayers and good thoughts both - coming their way. I hope they do better soon.Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi ,I was hoping for some prayers and good thought for these 2 great guys.They are not doing so well and are at the clinic.Thank you all so much. Sherry Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
I think, too, that it is hard for people to come to you and tell you that you smell bad -- I was told by the person who has been my best friend for 20+ years -- and she said it was one of the hardest things she'd ever done. I am just very appreciative of her doing it! It was kind of funny once -- she and I head off to Dallas for a shopping weekend every so often and on one trip I thought everything I took was clean and smelled like spring! When we got to the hotel I ended up having toleave my leather purse and leather jacket out on the balcony to let them air out (leather apparently REALLY absorbs odor) and having to send all my clothes for overnight cleaning. My friend said the smell nauseated her -- and wouldn't you know I STILL thought they all smelled like spring! I guess it helps if you can find some humor in it -- but it is hard.I now leave my purse in my car all the time and I leave my leather jacket hanging in the closet at work all summer.Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They aren't my friends though, they are my coworkers.:( On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that's pretty sorry sneaking behind your back like that. A friend will tell you if your slip is showing or that you sat in chocolate or if you smell like cat pee. I have some nice kitty tootsie rolls for that person ;-) In a message dated 11/9/2006 6:58:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, they didn't come to me. They went to my supervisor. So I don't even know for sure who it is. I did ask one of my friends at work and he said he had a bad sense of smell and didn't know what cat urine smelled like. I told him ammonia and he said he had never smelled that either?!? Then he said that he had never smelled anything bad coming from my direction. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Maybe we should keep that little gem of information to ourselves!!! TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hey, susan, should we tell everyone that "smelling like cat urine" is one of the criterion for defining possible hoarders? :fleaing -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
And I have Leader, who is really my little miracle boy -- he was born feleuk positive and is almost 5 yrs old -- having outlived all his littermates by a lot. I call him my little "squat and squirt" boy -- he has recurring diarrhea that I don't think I am ever going to clear up. He just walks along and when he has to go, squats and squirts. Rarely in the litterbox!Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I *KNOW* my house stinks. I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is over they have decided the floor is a better place to poop than the litterbox. At least it is solid now. I am gone from home 8-10 hours a day at work and they wreak havoc. I never let anyone come over unless they are a very, very close friend. I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this weekend... On 11/10/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common:WE STINK! I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals. I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink?? Maybe we should have T shirts printed up, "If you can smell Cat, then you're too close!" Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective. I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're SNEAKY!!!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed! Kelley Saveika wrote: My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people have been complaining that I smell like cat urine. I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once and then I was aware of it. Could I smell bad and not know it? -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Wish Leader would find the bathtub!! I am so lucky to have him alive that I just can't get mad at him -- but it is frustrating when there are litterboxes in every room and he doesn't use them -- except rarely! His latest spot was a corner of a tile bathroom -- not a bad spot...except that I went in there the other day and there was wet all over the floor -- I thought somebody'd fallen in the toilet and dripped water all over, but no, following Leader's poop example, the whole household decided to pee in there. You would think pee on tile would be easy to get clean but I swear I can't get the smell out!TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:ah, yes, the infamous squirts... the one i have doing that now, tho, hasthe incredible kindness to do so in the bathtub, so it's easy to clean up On 11/10/06, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I have Leader, who is really my little miracle boy -- he was born feleuk positive and is almost 5 yrs old -- having outlived all his littermates by a lot. I call him my little "squat and squirt" boy -- he has recurring diarrhea that I don't think I am ever going to clear up. He just walks along and when he has to go, squats and squirts. Rarely in the litterbox! Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *KNOW* my house stinks. I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is over they have decided the floor is a better place to poop than the litterbox. At least it is solid now. I am gone from home 8-10 hours a day at work and they wreak havoc. I never let anyone come over unless they are a very, very close friend. I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this weekend... On 11/10/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common:WE STINK! I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals. I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink?? Maybe we should have T shirts printed up, "If you can smell Cat, then you're too close!" Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective. I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're SNEAKY!!!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed! Kelley Saveika wrote: My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people have been complaining that I smell like cat urine. I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once and then I was aware of it. Could I smell bad and not know it? -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Yes, you could -- and I know that from experience. Thank goodness, finally my best friend told me the truth about this. I, too, was SO embarassed - I sure couldn't smell it myself. Apparently we get used to the smell and can't notice it. You can get those plastic clothes storage bags and put things in your closet in them - I think that helps. I have been dealing with this for a few years and I don't honestly know that I have the complete solution. I am anxious to hear what everyone else on the list says. Sometimes what I do is put clean clothes in the dryer with fabric softner sheets -- SCENTED ONES ! -- before I put them on. And use perfume. Maybe someone has a better solution. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people have been complaining that I smell like cat urine.I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once and then I was aware of it.Could I smell bad and not know it? -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry
VERY good point - which is why I put him on Doxy! I know that as soon as a problem comes up that even COULD be feleuk, I automatically assume that it is. We have a vet appt scheduled for tomorrow.Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOOD POINT!On Nov 6, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote:I've personally SEEN a kitten with bad flea anemia bounce back in minutes with a transfusion. Don't just assume it's the FELV just because he HAS FELV, you're writing off all other possibilities based on a FELV test result, without seeking other explanations. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html- Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry Thanks, Kelly. Have you ever had or heard of a kitty coming back from a 7 hematocrit? kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:47 AM 11/6/2006, you wrote:With a crit of 7 I think stress may be secondary. I would do the transfusion and try to buy a bit of time...go from there.Kelly Does anybody have any ideas? Susan(who wrote a message today) has a critical situation with her FELV baby Valley - a beautiful flame point Siamese. Didn't want to miss out on any suggestions, as it was a long message. Thanks - GloriaOn Nov 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Susan Loesch wrote:... And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in. He is another of my "library cats" who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg.He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas?I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.29/520 - Release Date: 11/6/2006No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006
Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry
Thanks, Gina. I started him on Doxycycline last night at Belinda's suggestion. My fingers are crossed. Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am so sorry you lost so many kitties and in such a short period of time. I am sending prayers and doing meditations for Valley.Gina Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my "library cats", who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain.Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom.And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call "Dai-doo" and in return get this little "yip-yow" from wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her.I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her.Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters. Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart.And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in.He is another ofmy "library cats" who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas?I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading. Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
