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Re: Emily is out of surgery, home and recovering
Love and healing for Emily. Poor baby. My girl, Felicity) had to have a complete mastectomy years ago and she recovered nicely. That's quite a surgery though! I wish her a speedy recovery. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 10:39:08 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just an update on Emily, my friend Renee's girl with breast cancer. She had a total mastectomy, they removed both mammary chains at once (sometimes they can only do one at a time due to not having enough skin to close the incisions). She'll be starting her chemo after her sutures are removed in two weeks, and the pathology report will be back at that time too. The tumor was removed at the beginning of December and it was diagnosed as Adenocarcinoma. The surgeon said he didn't see any other tumors during the mastectomy, so things are looking promising. She's REALLY cute in her t-shirt. This way she doesn't have to wear an cone (elizabethan collar): http://ucat.us/Emily-postsurgery.gif http://ucat.us/Emily-postsurgery2.gif Thanks to everyone on your positive thoughts and well wishes for her! She seems to be doing good, she has a pain patch on, and is on a course of post-surgical antibiotics. She was more active earlier, Renee thinks she may have overdone it and is now a little sore, as she is sleeping in her bed on the floor now (as opposed to climbing on the bed, etc). Renee is a member here too, BTW, she's just not come out of her shell yet enough to talk... :-) (so any replies, she will see) Phaewryn
Re: Prayers needed for Bandy
Love, prayers, and healing to you all. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 12:51:08 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, Thanks so much for your prayers. We just got back from the vet again..His temp was 105.5 Sat. So they called the vet and we gave him 2cc of dex along with another polyflex and baytril injection..He got some metronidazole as he has a loose stool...I never could get him to eat on Fri so I did force some a/d with a syringe down him..He seems to hurt all over again. He also got another 250cc subq fluids.. He did sit up for the ride home, but wasn't interested in anything when we got home really..He did nibble on a few pieces for dry food and a couple of bits of can. I am hoping all the dex will kick in really soon to get the temp down and he will eat.. Nina, where did you buy the oli-vet, natural antibiotic? I haven't had time to check the 2 places I use for supps, but would appreciate the info. Michelle, No we haven't done the IR, but am considering it Monday if the temp will go down..did it make Lucy have a rise in temp? I know it can so we would really need Bandy's temp to be down for it..I agree with you...I should try it...Also, what dosage? Do you think .25cc would be ok first time then repeat how often? I just haven't had time to go look back to see what you told me the last time..So if you could let me know again, I would really appreciate it.. Do you give it 3 or 4 times with a few days in between? Also, any other thoughts... We will keep you posted.. Thanks again. Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: OT: cancer treatment - flax seed oil
Yes --- love, hugs and white light to Hideyo. Don't you just wish sometimes that we could all meet in the same room and encourage each other? This forum is that way in a lot of ways. I've always been a terribly independent cuss - but I have come to love and depend on all of you. Going to check into the flaxseed oil for all of us and me too. Love you all so much, elizabeth, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, shakiti, tori, othello, and mama kitty. In a message dated 12/16/2006 12:30:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I too wish Hideyo would lean on us more. She's going through a waking nightmare with her fur kids. Her energy and resources are being stretched to the breaking point. I don't know how you do it Hideyo. You're one strong, determined, loving lady. You are appreciated and you are cared about. Prayers to you and all those you care for. I've been adding flax seed oil, (along with Glu/Chond and MSM), to my GSD's food since he was diagnosed with degenerative spinal myopathy. I've always used it at the fist sign of arthritis and it really helps relieve symptoms of inflammation. Just adding my testimony! Nina Mari Kolbe wrote: Hideyo: My prayers to you and your furchildren. I know how hard and stressful caring for an ill furchild can be and when you have several with chronic or serious conditions, it can stretch you to the breaking point. Please lean on the group for support. Below is an excerpt from an article I saved. The account I have the link saved in is having server problems so I can't access it, but possibly you could do a google search on Paul Stitt and his research would come up. /mari A groundswell of nutrition conscious veterinarians are beginning to recommend to their clients that they supplement their animals diet with a daily dose of flaxseed oil, poured right over the food. The vets are finding remarkable results in clearing up skin conditions, relieving arthritic and inflammatory pain, as well as improved over all pet health. Mr. Paul Stitt, while addressing a scientific conference in North Dakota reported that flax increased bone strength as well as improved the silkiness and sheen of animals fur. Numerous studies conducted on animals and humans show that flax has powerful anti-tumor properties and may reduce tumor size by 50%. On 12/11/06, Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: Hi, I am finding out that my 7 year old doggy, JoJo may have a cancer – he has tumors in his gums and have bloody urine – and x-ray shows mass all over his body – he is not acting sick – he runs around and eats very well – if you guys have any suggestions on cancer treatment (especially alternative treatment), please email me with any information – we are sending out cytology to find out more about it. Also, my baby kitty, Lizzy might be very sick and need all the prayers I can get (of course, please also pray for my Ghanid with severe vestibular disorder and with Ayumi with unknown cause of non-regenerative anemia – again thank you all for your support - -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Jimi Too Cool problem
I just want to add my voice to Diane R.'s. My heart is with you Anne. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 9:26:00 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anne, I'm so sorry you have this added worry at a time like this. But yes, you're giving him a choice, and if he wants to come back in he will. If you know he's still alive, you could go out from time to time and just sit and talk to him -- tell him his story, tell him what he means to you. Do this even if you can't see him just then. This will help both of you. He'll know you're caring for him without trying to coerce him, and you will be together in every way except physically. Hugs to you both. Diane R.
Re: OT but please sign this petition about a horrific case we have going in G...
Duly signed..and heart broken. Whether it is fair or not - I cannot help but wonder what kind of parenting influences children to have such a disreguard for life and suffering. I suppose I don't really have a right to question since I don't have human children - but I cannot help but wonder. After all - I was a child too at one time. There are serial killers who started out this way. Thank you for passing this along - and if you hear anything more about this case, please keep us posted. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 10:35:01 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please crosspost far and wide as well. thanks, tonya Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:53:43 -0500 (EST) In case you haven't heard, there is a cruelty case currently going on in Fulton county (Atlanta, GA) for two teenagers that bound a puppy, set it on fire, and when it didn't die, they baked it alive in the oven. This case is not getting much attention from the media here and the public is worried that the teens will not get the deserved punishment. Please sign the petition to support this cause: _www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473_ (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473) Below is more information about the case Thank you, Jenny Forwarded message: Hi all, This report came from someone in the animal rescue community. Please be aware that although this news contains graphic information, your support is needed in order to make a difference. John and I are going to court tomorrow. Please go if you can. Here is the forwarded piece from the rescuer: "I confess that I thought the courtroom where 2 teenagers cooked the puppy alive would be fully packed. I was shocked to find only a handful of animal lovers present Monday am. The AJC reporter said not much media attention would be given the case unless people came alive and called the Metro AJC, the TV stations, CNN, 5, 11, and 2. Call these stations and ask them to report on this story. Find the numbers in the book. The suspects were laughing, smirking, and yawning and mouthing obscenities to one of the puppy's supporters. This poor puppy was painted, bound. They then tried to set him on fire (which didn't work), so they took a rack out of the oven so they could fit this poor puppy inside. Scratch marks were found inside the oven from the pup trying to escape the unimaginable torture. NOTHING CAN BE DONE NOW FOR THIS TORUTURED PUPPY...OR CAN IT? IF YOU HAVE EVER DONE ANYTHING THAT HAS MEANT SOMETHING TO YOU, DO THIS. COME TO THE FULTON COUNTY COURTHOUSE ANY DAY THIS WEEK. 136 PRYOR STREET, ATLANTA, GA 30303 85 south to MLK, Exit 248 A and then stay in left turn lane. Take a left on Pryor and park as close as you can. THIS PUPPY'S LIFE IS OVER. THE CASE IS NOT. THE OUTCOME DEPENDS ON YOU. IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND CALL THE MEDIA AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW." Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:55:08 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Action Alert from Caitriona Matthews From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caitriona Matthews has sent you an important action alert - read below for more info, and take action at: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473 Dear students, I have just read and signed the petition: "Puppy bound, set on fire, baked to death in oven" Please take a moment to read about this important issue, and join me in signing the petition. It takes just 30 seconds, but can truly make a difference. Please sign here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473 Thanks! ThePetitionSite.com provides tools and empowers individuals to make a difference and effect positive change through online activism. Get connected with the causes you care about, take action to make the world a better place, and start your own petition at http://www.ThePetitionSite.com! ThePetitionSite.com is powered by Care2.com, the largest online network for people who Care2 make a difference. With over 5 million members, we make it easy for you to live a healthy, sustainable lifestyle and protect the environment, human rights, education, women's rights, animal welfare, and much more... all in one place! Join our community at http://www.Care2.com
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
You're a good mommy, Wendy. I hope so much this will take care of it. Please kiss that sweet baby for me and tell her Auntie Beth love her very much. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 11:05:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to happen. She said she is 90% sure a round of Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked some up this morning (in the middle of our garage sale). She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday. Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood. :) Wendy
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Wendy - I am praying for you both. Please let us know what the doctor says. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:37:38 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey guys, Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's been in the house and we didn't let her out in time and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has had a UTI and we didn't know it? Any advice is appreciated, Thanks, Wendy
ot: found a new product
I am sitting here laughing myself silly. You guys probably already know about this - but at PetSmart you can buy this concentrated catnip spray. I brought home a can and thought I would try it out on the kids. I sprayed some of the cat furniture...some of their scratching pads..a cushion...a little spot on the floor. I now have 8 cats - high as kites...rolling on the floor, rubbing their faces on thingsgenerally acting goofy. 22lb Antonio is hanging off the chair rubbing his face in that cushion and practically drooling LOL Just wait 'till Santa brings them some "Cosmic Cat Nip" for real. They'll flip. You've never seen such happy kitties :0) We definitely have the holiday spirit going over here.
Re: Junoir
Sally, Thank you for keeping us posted. I hope Junior is 110% soon and that Santa brings him lots of toys. Kiss that baby on the head for me. elizabeth In a message dated 12/14/2006 6:48:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone I always think good new is as relevant as bad news here. I know it is going to be a roller coaster ride with Junior, but as last he is feeling better. Not quite 100% but maybe 85%. The eye is still weeping but the uri seemed to be gone or at least much better. He is still getting the Clindmycin for the URI and eye and the Gentamycin drops for his eye. This will buy me more time to talk with the vet about future options when he gets sick. I am also mixing a little pumpkin with his baby food and lysine. He stool yesterday was very solid. Yeah no poop smear on my pillow. I have to go to work now. I just want to thank everyone for their support. Sally
Re: OT: New Rescue Website close to finished, seeking constructive criticism
I love your site! It looks clean, fresh and uncluttered. It is also easy to navigate. Well done! elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:45 AM Subject: OT: New Rescue Website close to finished, seeking constructive criticism Hi Guys, Just like it says in the subject header, I'd like constructive criticism on this beta version of my rescue website. http://www.rescuties.org Thanks, Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Pippin getting spayed on Thursday
All good thoughts and prayers for Pippin. elizabeth In a message dated 12/13/2006 2:25:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, My Pippin is getting spayed this Thursday and I would appreciate any prayers, positive thoughts and/or meditations you would make on her behalf. As I mentioned before, she is getting pre-op blood work, fluids, and pain medication. I told them I wanted to take her home as soon as possible on Thursday, as I wasn't leaving her all alone there over night. They agreed that would be okay as long as I bring her into the clinic first thing the next morning for a checkup. Thank you from me and Pippin! Gina
Re: OT: Finally named our Pit Bull Rescue
What a sweet name :0) Hope all goes well Thursday. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 7:39 PM Subject: OT: Finally named our Pit Bull Rescue Hey guys, My husband and I finally named our new dog, the Pit Bull we rescued in November. We named her Nilla Belle (Nilla is short for vanilla because she's white). I wanted something sweet for her. It fits her well. She's laying on the couch right now snoring like a big bull, with her paw on my husband's arm. We're taking her Thursday to get spayed and vaccinated, tested for worms, etc. Wish her luck and say a prayer for her if you get a chance. She's such a sweet dog. :) Wendy Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Elizabeth - glad you're feeling better
Hey Wendy! I was supposed to go to Texas this weekend but just was not up for it. I got sick in Atlanta but I am back to my normal cranky self now and very glad of it. I don't ever want to leave the kids that long again. *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Elizabeth - glad you're feeling better Hey Elizabeth, I am getting caught up on my email. Things have been crazy here on my end. I am so sorry to hear that you got sick!!! Food poisoning sucks! Are you here in Dallas? I remember you saying something about traveling to Texas this time of year back in May. Girl, I am going to feel terrible if you were here and sick and I haven't been checking my mail. :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad to hear you are feeling better Elizabeth. > It sounds like you > were hit with a very nasty case of food poisoning to > have lost 12 lbs in > 3 days! To be out of town on top of it, you poor > thing! What a lousy > diet plan you've come up with! > Nina > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks, Terrie. I hope your business trip is > better than mine. I had > > to go out of town for a week and Wednesday I got a > very severe form of > > food poisoning. I thought I would die. I've lost > 12lbs in 3 days. > > I'm glad to say that I think I will live now...but > I'm not completely > > convinced. > > > > elizabeth > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Sally's update
Thanks for the update, Sally. I've taken Gentamicin drops myself -- but I was allergic to them and they made my eye very red and itchy. It's a good drug though (I am allergic to EVERYTHING - including catshave benedryl - will travel). Sounds like you are doing right by Junior. Here's hoping the very best for those dear babies and for you. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 8:20 PM Subject: RE: Sally's update Thanks everyone for all your support. This group makes me know I am not alone in my time of need.I am so sorry to hear about the recent losses of Hertzie, Bubba, and all the other precious babies.I finally got a call back from the vet's office and got a new prescription for Junior's eye which is better but it is still inflamed. It is Gentamicin drops. I am not familiar with this. I hope I can get the drops in his eye. I realize that my vet is a GP but is the best I can afford for Junior. It is a very busy practice and the people working there really care. I feel that boils down to the fact the Vet's must really care as well. The receptionist commented how good I was at taking care of my cats bringing them in every week for their immunoregulin shots and getting the others vaccinated. I do know Dr Staunton took home the papers on the Alferon. Junior and Tiny are due for their immunoreg shots January 5th. I will see what she thinks about using alferon in addition to the IR. Tiny is still asymptomatic. I am hoping he may test negative at a later date. If received all his vaccinations last week with no adverse effects. They even gave him FeLV vaccine. I will most likely not vaccinate Junior for anything. He is already current on rabies which doesn’t matter since he does not go outside. ThanksSally Hi Sally, Thanks for the good news about Junior's improvement. It's so frustrating to feel like you're bugging the vet for answers. Most of us have been there. When that happens to me I become a polite, apologetic, squeaky wheel until I get some attention. Is this a GP vet you are seeing? I'd ask for a referral to an Internist. You might not be getting responses because your vet doesn't have the answers you need and they are too busy to research for you. Nina Sally wrote: > Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would > say within two weeks. > > Update > > The URI seems better and I am able to put the erythromycin ointment in his > eye. This I had left from when he was in an accident and his eye was > damaged. The vet has yet to call me back. I called today and it seemed like > the main message of getting something for Junior's eye went unread. I did > leave here papers on the Alferon to read. She is not there tomorrow, so I > may have to stop by and see what I can get. > > Best of luck with your kitty. > > Sally Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Another Name for the CLS List
Leah, I am so sorry. My heart is with you. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Another Name for the CLS List Please add my beloved Bubba to the CLS list. I adopted this big gray tabby from a rescue group in May 2004, when he was about 3 years old and he was fat and happy until this past September. He rallied from that crisis, but never gained back the weight he lost and two weeks ago went into a tailspin that I knew there was no recovering from. He died peacefully this morning at home. He was the sweetest cat one could ever want and I will miss him dreadfully. My heart is broken. One never gets used to the loss of a loved pet. Many thanks to those who have given me advice over the past couple of year Leah Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: New member introduction/questions
Welcome Sue and Shane! This is a tricky one. Dental health is very important. You would hate for your baby to overcome the rigors of fighting FeVL only to succumb to a debilitating and preventable illness caused by dental neglect. I am sure you are well aware of the potential serious health hazards of letting dental problems go unchecked... Three to four years is about right to get your first dental. People may disagree with me but I think that every other year there-after would be a good schedule for dentals for most cats. Don't ignore the dentals; they are very important. The type of equipment your vet has can have a lot to do with how long the dental will last -- along with, of course, the individual response and genetics of your cat. Some vets are better than others when it comes to dentals. My vet has some incredible state-of-the-art equipment (yes - even here in poh-dunk alabama) and they have made an impression on specialists throughout the state who have received patients from them for special care. there is a lot you can do yourself in regard to dental hygiene but i really don't think it compares to an ultrasonic scaling beneath the gum-line and all that they can do now for tartar build-up. I really think that your heart is the best judge of what to do in this situation. You know Shane better than anyone -- you know his status probably better than the vet does. With recent weight loss, however - my gut instinct says: wait. Even a pound of weight loss is a very large percentage of body weight for a cat. That being said - if you get him stabilized where he's at a good weight and his vitals are good - I think it would be beneficial to get the very best dental care if you want to prolong his life. Anything you could do to minimize stress, of course, would be wise...but you have to weigh the pros and cons based on what you know about Shane. The fact that most of his blood-work is on target is very promising. If it were my FeVL+ kitty...and I knew she was very stable and wasn't experiencing any current problems related to the disease -- I would take her for a dental in a heartbeat. I would be there with her every second they would let me and I would have it done on a Friday so that I could spend the weekend spoiling her rotten. The weight-loss bothers me though...if It were my baby...I think I might wait until he gained the weight back and had stabilized for a least a few weeks. I'm glad you decided to join us! We have a lot of very smart people on this list and I don't know what I would do without the people I've met here. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 1:23 PM Subject: New member introduction/questions Hi Folks, I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2 years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye, which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back. During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is in good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts in regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input. Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensiv
Re: Will Feral lost his nuggies today
Kiss those sweet babies for me -- poor dears. I'm so glad it went well and that Will Feral is bouncing back. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 8:11 PM Subject: Will Feral lost his nuggies today Hi everyone, I finally had Will neutered, he did great, eating well and tossing his toy mouse around tonight. I had an IFA run on him a couple of weeks ago, still FeLV+, but otherwise doing well. His bloodwork was great. They did him first so I could wait for him and get him out of there asap, to limit the chance he'd pick up a bug while there. We arrived at 7:45 and they were done by 9:00, we were on the road by 9:30. Dash and Scooter didn't do nearly so well back when they had their surgeries, Dash especially looked sick and sleepy for quite a while afterwards. Not sure if the different reactions are just because of the cats, or because different vets (same clinic) did the surgeries. They were all supposed to get isoflourane sp? gas. Vet 1 did Moxie's spay and Will's neuter, they both acted like nothing had happened when they woke up. Dash and Scooter were done by Vet 2, she uses a different technique for neutering, according to the vet tech she uses no sutures or glue, somehow knots the tubes on themselves after removing the testes? I thought that might be a better way to go for Will, no foreign material to irritate his healing, but Vet 1 is the one that was available so we went ahead with him, and so far Will is handling it much better than his brothers did. Maybe Vet 2 needs to keep them under the anesthesia longer to do her method? Or maybe it causes more pain than sutures and glue? I like them both, hate to offend her if (heaven forbid) we need any other operations in the future, but I'm thinking I prefer Vet 1 for surgeries... Wishing everyone a happy and healthy holiday season, Beth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Elizabeth - glad you're feeling better
Thanks, Beth. The sandwich did not come from the hotel. Antonio is doing very well! The kids are all excited about the new tiny Christmas tree (our first!). I guess it's especially exciting because no one is allowed to go near it except Othello -- mighty defender of the Christmas Tree! He's been smacking anyone who dares get near HIS tree... The kids do know about Santa and stockings though -- Santa fills them every year. I don't know of anybody's kids who get more excited than my eight do. :0) elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Elizabeth - glad you're feeling better Duh, sandwich. Hi Elizabeth, glad to hear you are feeling better. Did you get the sandwhich at the hotel? Your description of Phelix made me smile, cats do make everything better, don't they? Hope Antonio's bottom has continued to improve as well... Take care, Beth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: ear infection/ear surgery
Phaewryn, That's really interesting (and scary) [re: last paragraph]. I'm thinking that it isn't the vaccine that lends itself to carcinoma...it's the virus. There's more here than meets the eye...or brain, I should say, at first glance. I guess i've known that lymphoma was an unwelcome complication -- but i never really put two and two together in my head on a molecular/viral level. FeVL is a virus...more and more cancers are found to be linked to viruses. I can feel the rest of that thought in the front of my head putting pressure but there is something here I can't put my finger on that wants to click. There is a definite link between virus and cancer. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: ear infection/ear surgery http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/ear-infections.html http://www.2ndchance.info/earprobs.htm http://www.2ndchance.info/earsurg.htm http://www.vetinfo.com/catear.html#Chronic%20otitis%20media%20-%20ear http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/ventral%20bulla.htm http://www.dermapet.com/articles/otitis_surgery.html http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1748-5827.2003.tb00101.x http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1532-950x.2004.04065.x?journalCode=vsu http://www.dfwvetsurgeons.com/total-ear.html This one is not likely, but I ran across it, and it does have one disturbing paragraph in it: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=340369 " Lymphoma is the most common feline neoplasia. In the last 15 y, the overall incidence of feline lymphoma has decreased, and the relative frequency of different anatomical forms has changed. These shifts in the incidence and locations of feline lymphoma may be due, in part, to the use of commercial vaccines to prevent infection with feline leukemia virus, a biologic carcinogen responsible for the development of feline lymphoma. " Am I mis-reading that, or are they saying that the FELV vaccine is a biologic carcinogen that causes Lymphoma? This is from the main NIH website that describes itself as: The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
ot: Cats at risk for Alzheimer's
I thought this was interesting...for those of us who are fortunate enough to have geriatric cats... http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1803762006 elizabeth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Elizabeth - glad you're feeling better
Thank you, Nina. We think it was Salmonella from a chicken salad sandwich. OMG - they should bottle that stuff and turn it into a weapon of mass destruction! If it hadn't been for the hotel staff being on the ball and getting the paramedics there and brining gatorade, water, soft drinks, and checking on me numerous times (and they didn't charge for any of those things) - I truly think I would have died of dehydration. I am going to write that hotel the nicest letter I can. It was the Embassy Suites Hotels and I am here to tell you that I am a loyal patron after the way they took care of me. Once I knocked the phone off the hook by accident in my sleep -- they were there in no time making sure I was ok. My company took care of me too and didn't make me take any leave for that time I was so sick. I am very fortunate. It's bad enough being violently ill...but in an unfamiliar city, alone, with no cats - it was just almost more than I could bear. This was the first time I had spent the night away from the kitties in over 4 years. When I finally got home, I didn't even unpack - I just went to bed. All the babies piled up there with me - and my Phelix got right in his place on my arm and every now and again he would make blinky eyes at me and pat my face with his paw. It's good to be loved. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Elizabeth - glad you're feeling better I'm glad to hear you are feeling better Elizabeth. It sounds like you were hit with a very nasty case of food poisoning to have lost 12 lbs in 3 days! To be out of town on top of it, you poor thing! What a lousy diet plan you've come up with! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks, Terrie. I hope your business trip is better than mine. I had > to go > out of town for a week and Wednesday I got a very severe form of > food > poisoning. I thought I would die. I've lost 12lbs in 3 days. > I'm glad to > say that I think I will live now...but I'm not completely > convinced. > > elizabeth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
ot: A little holiday cheer
If you haven't seen this - you should :0) Christmas Tree Decorating 101 http://www.fluffytails.ca/christmas.asp Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Need advice please
Pat, I have read that the saliva test is not as accurate yet. In fact, I didn't realize they were marketing it at this point. I can't quote percentages or remember where I came across that in my reading - perhaps some of those more expert on the list will add what they know. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Need advice please I posted yesterday knowing full well everybody was SHOPPING. Hopefully today is better for computer time. We have a number of feral cats on which we need to determine Felv status, therefore we are looking for in-home test kits. I searched the archives of FelvTalk but got myself really confused (not unusual). I notice on line that different in-home kits are available (Revival even carries two). Of course what I want is reliability. So my big question: is the saliva test as reliable as the blood test for diagnosing Felv? Does anyone have a recommendation of brand and source? I would deeply appreciate advice from others who know more than I (which is almost nothing!). Thanks, Pat in WI Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: OT:Away for the time being...
Thanks, Terrie. I hope your business trip is better than mine. I had to go out of town for a week and Wednesday I got a very severe form of food poisoning. I thought I would die. I've lost 12lbs in 3 days. I'm glad to say that I think I will live now...but I'm not completely convinced. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 2:54 PM Subject: OT:Away for the time being... Due to personal and business reasons I won't be on as usual. So I want to send hugs and kisses to those in need your in my thoughts and prayers. I'm also sorry for those that have left to go to the bridge. Remember, they wouldn't have anybody if it wasn't for you loving and caring for them. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Vaccinate
I hope Junior feels better soon. My vet only recommended the distemper for Mama Kitty when she is due next year since she has FeVL...and, like your vet, wouldn't administer unless she was symptom free and doing well. My vet's take on this is that it would be horrible to have her fight off the FeVL only to succumb to something that was preventable. That seems to make some sense to me. All the others get all the vaccines including the vaccine for FeVL. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Vaccinate A few questions here: I have two FELV cats. One symptomatic the other is not. They have both done the IR protocol per my request, My Vet normally will also vaccinate them for the usual diseases. Tiny is due for rabies and the distemper group. Junior the sick one would only get the distemper, but not tomorrow because he still has a URI and an eye infection. I know there is some disagreement as to whether is vaccinate an immune compromised cat or not. My feeling is Tiny had a weak positive and no symptoms. He has been kept in the same room as Junior for three + weeks and has not caught Junior’s cold. I will vaccinate him against the normal stuff and the vet would also vaccinate him against FeLV. Any thoughts about that and what are pros and cons. Junior has been on Baytril for 10 days. He acts a bit better but definitely not himself. He is due for one more IR which I will get tomorrow. I am a bit concerned about his eye. It is closed shut he doesn’t like me to fool with it. I have tried getting opthalmalic ointment in it mostly I miss. I did get some in it tonight. It looked pretty inflamed. He is mostly blind in this eye from being hit by a car last April. I have tried L Lysine in his food but he is not eating all that well. Any thoughts here? Of Course I will get the Vet to look at it tomorrow. I am also taking the paper on Alferon for the vet to read over. I think he needs something more. Good news is he is no longer anemic and his gingivitis is better. Thanks for your help Sally Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: cause of weak hind legs - my Ghandi had an ear infection!!! -- NOT FIP !!
I hope Ghandi feels much better soon -- I know you must be so relieved! Thanks for letting us know elizabeth In a message dated 11/29/2006 3:40:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, thank you very much for all your response regarding possible cause of weak hind legs --- it was an ear infection! I should have known this as one of my kitties, Bella had the same problem, she did not have a good balance and kept falling and she had an ear infection.. when I took Ghandi to the vet, the vet ruled out any possibility of FIP to begin with.. she thought he is way too healthy and strong to have neurological symptoms of FIP, and his gums and tongue are so red We couldn’t draw a blood as he was fighting against too much and I did not want to stress him out more. The vet did not see any symptoms to think that he has FIP at this time – A lesson learned – don’t’ ever assume the worst just because you have had many experience – you just never know – Again thank you so much for all your input – I wanted to share so that you can think of this as a possibility if your kitty may have a similar problem in the future. J
Re: OT Big problem/Elaine
well give them a big kiss from me :0) elizabeth In a message dated 11/27/2006 9:01:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My fosters sleep with me at night (well, the ones who want to do). :) On 11/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: I am so glad to hear you say this. It makes me so sad to think of kitties having to live in cages for years. It's a terrible way to live...and they never really get any social interaction. A temp. quarantine due to illness is quite different from living that way indefinitely. What you describe sounds ideal. elizabeth In a message dated 11/27/2006 12:49:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: What you described is not the way all rescues operate. Many use foster homes and have the cats in a normal cage-free home environment. That's how I do things. Once cats have been tested for FeLV and vaccinnated (and defleaed and dewormed) they are integrated into the foster home and sleep on beds, rampage through the house, and do all the normal things cats do. We have adopters, after they have been screened and approved, come to the foster home to meet the cat. We also really try to keep numbers marginally sane so no one is stressed too badly; basically to keep a healthy environment. I have ONE kitten in a big condo cage at my house right now. She's a little stray, maybe 4 months old, who I had been seeing around for the past few weeks. Trapped her Saturday night, vaccinated Sunday. She'll stay in the condo cage and foyer for a 14 day quarantine and then she'll join the others in the house. That's about the only use I have for cages.
Re: OT Big problem, help
thanks for the link. elizabeth In a message dated 11/27/2006 10:58:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly, they aren't all like that at all. I promise! I know lots of good rescuers. You're free to verbally run them down as you aren't in the "business." I just try not to, since I believe we (rescuers) all need to cooperate as much as possible for the good of the animals. Go take a look at Best Friends website. _http://www.bestfriends.org_ (http://www.bestfriends.org/) They are my model, and they always talk about how they started out with just a few feral cat traps.:)
Re: OT Big problem/Elaine
I am so glad to hear you say this. It makes me so sad to think of kitties having to live in cages for years. It's a terrible way to live...and they never really get any social interaction. A temp. quarantine due to illness is quite different from living that way indefinitely. What you describe sounds ideal. elizabeth In a message dated 11/27/2006 12:49:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What you described is not the way all rescues operate. Many use foster homes and have the cats in a normal cage-free home environment. That's how I do things. Once cats have been tested for FeLV and vaccinnated (and defleaed and dewormed) they are integrated into the foster home and sleep on beds, rampage through the house, and do all the normal things cats do. We have adopters, after they have been screened and approved, come to the foster home to meet the cat. We also really try to keep numbers marginally sane so no one is stressed too badly; basically to keep a healthy environment. I have ONE kitten in a big condo cage at my house right now. She's a little stray, maybe 4 months old, who I had been seeing around for the past few weeks. Trapped her Saturday night, vaccinated Sunday. She'll stay in the condo cage and foyer for a 14 day quarantine and then she'll join the others in the house. That's about the only use I have for cages.
Re: Pepper died
Candace, I am so very sorry. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Pepper died I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly. I was not at home at the time so not sure what happened. I want to thank everyone for their advice and support. This group is great for those of us who want to take responsibility for the health care of our pets and give them the best chance possible for a good outcome. Thank you all Candace Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: OT Big problem, help
thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly.This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either.BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats.I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people "Oh, don't adopt a cat from x rescue..they are a "bad rescue").Anyway, if you do not support this group's practices, don't give them any money. Don't let them guilt you into giving them money either. If you want to keep your money local, I would find another rescue group. Check them out before you give them money. Cats should not be taken to adoption days when ill - that's bad practice. If they want people to give them money, the donors should be allowed to examine the living conditions of the cats. I let people come by (with reasonable notice, I don't want people knocking on my door 24/7 or dumping off cats) and check out my babies' living conditions.I send a complete copy of all medical records home with every cat I adopt, always. I get paperwork from my vet and put it in the cat's file. I am not sure if he would release the paperwork to an adopter or not, but it is my job to do that not his.If you don't mind sending the money you have earmarked to save cats out of state, I would recommend checking out Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah. http://www.bestfriends.org -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Two copies of every email?
LOL I haven't received your reply yet - but I can see right now that great minds think alike :0) elizabeth In a message dated 11/25/06 12:24:27 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this is really scary, elizabeth--you sent this an hour before i sent my tongue-in-cheek response, but i didn't get it til hours AFTER i'd sent mine! On 11/24/06, ETrent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am - started last night. > I am - started last night. > > elizabeth > elizabeth > > > > In a message dated 11/24/06 20:41:05 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > Anyone else getting two copies of every email sent to the list tonight? > > Phaewryn > > VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: > http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html > Special Needs Cat Resources: > http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html > > > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
This is such good news! You are a wonderful kitty mom, Dianne. elizabeth In a message dated 11/25/06 16:39:30 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Michelle. I thing the COP protocol is old but she has had good success with itso we will go with it for now. I have already joined the lymphoma group, thanks! She is doing great today! Eating, wandering around the house, on the computer desk now, been looking out the patio doors/they are closed, rubbing up against the doggies that are her friends, kissing me, meowing, purring She was NOT doing that stuff Tues and Wed not much of it Thurs eitherstarted today! I am encouraged. I know it is just the beginning and I am hopeful that we will have much more time together. Dianne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Ward's consult I'm sorry about the mass, but glad you are seeing someone who will treat it. The COP protocol is an old protocol, I think. I think many oncologists use the Wisconsin protocol now. I don't know what Oncovin is. The Wisconsin protocol starts with Elspar, I believe. I highly recommend you join the feline lymphoma group as well, which I think is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I learned a tremendous amount about lymphoma and its treatments from them when my Simon had it. Michelle In a message dated 11/25/2006 1:00:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dr. Ward did an ultra sound immediately, saw a big mass near the heart. This is what was done today: Echo: Mediastinal Mass FNA: lymphoblasts Cx: Mediastinal lymphoma Tx: Oncovin o.05 mg IV Depo Mectol (?) 1 cmg Cytoxan 25 mg PO She gave that today and we go back next Friday. She says it is very treatable and I should see a different cat in 48 hrs. She said she likes to start with low doses so cat doesn't get so sick she won't eat again, we will up it as needed. She did ECHO and an x-ray, I was in room and saw the mass on the ECHO and then she showed me the x-ray too...we can use it to compare ... She also gave me an article she wrote : MEDVET, Columbus, Ohio Onocology and Hematology Proceedings of the 20thWaltham/OSU Symposium She prefers the COP Protocol. I will keep you posted about Ms. Asia's progress. Dianne and Asia
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
Dianne, I am so glad you went and that this is treatable! Thank you for keeping us posted. elizabeth In a message dated 11/25/06 00:00:31 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dr. Ward did an ultra sound immediately, saw a big mass near the heart. This is what was done today: Echo: Mediastinal Mass FNA: lymphoblasts Cx: Mediastinal lymphoma Tx: Oncovin o.05 mg IV Depo Mectol (?) 1 cmg Cytoxan 25 mg PO She gave that today and we go back next Friday. She says it is very treatable and I should see a different cat in 48 hrs. She said she likes to start with low doses so cat doesn't get so sick she won't eat again, we will up it as needed. She did ECHO and an x-ray, I was in room and saw the mass on the ECHO and then she showed me the x-ray too...we can use it to compare ... She also gave me an article she wrote : MEDVET, Columbus, Ohio Onocology and Hematology Proceedings of the 20thWaltham/OSU Symposium She prefers the COP Protocol. I will keep you posted about Ms. Asia's progress. Dianne and Asia
Re: Two copies of every email?
I am - started last night. I am - started last night. elizabeth elizabeth In a message dated 11/24/06 20:41:05 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone else getting two copies of every email sent to the list tonight? Phaewryn VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Ember update: wbc back to normal
Lance, Thank you for keeping us posted about Ember. It sounds like you are giving her the very best of care. I'm so glad she is better. Love and hugs to you both. elizabeth In a message dated 11/24/06 15:16:02 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been meaning to write about this for a week now. Last Thursday, Ember went back to the vet for a CBC. She had a low white blood cell count a month before (3.6 or 3.7). Her wbc was back to low-normal (I think it was a 5 or 5.1), and her platelets were up. Overall, our vet was very happy with her bloodwork. She has lost about a half pound of weight, though the vet said (and I hoped/agreed) that it was because I'd tinkered with her food to get her supplements in. She weighs 10.5 lbs., and as he put it, "I'm happy with that weight," so if she's not losing next month, we're in good shape for now. For those wanting to know, I put Ember on several supplements over the month between her two CBCs. I started her on VetriScience's Liquid DMG, using the recommended dose. I also started her on Transfer Factor Plus Advanced, putting one capsule worth in her food a day. She has been on interferon alpha, but I forgot to order it until we were almost out, and the vet somehow didn't order it in time, so we missed a few doses. She's back on the five on/five off protocol. Just an FYI. Lance
Re: OT Big problem, help
This just frosts my cookies. I wish I had useful advice for you. I don't but I can surely sympathize. I really would like to come up there with a big can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and open it on that group. Forgive me for starting a rant in response to your post - but I feel one coming on. RANT ALERT~ *disclaimer* If I step on some toes here...please forgive me and educate me...because I will be the first to admit that I am ignorant about a lot of things. Ignorance is curableso if I say something wrong - please be patient with me and help me understand. I love everyone of you and I appreciate all you do for the kitties. *end disclaimer* I am not emotionally able to foster cats - I have eight of my own...most of whom were rescued ferals from this area (i live in the sticks - outside the city limit in almost-rural Alabama). I know myself well enough that I know I could not emotionally handle fostering. I get so attached I couldn't give them up. Eight is my limit of what I can afford to care for properly both monetarily and emotionally (and it's almost too much)-- each one demands and deserves personal attention every day. Each one I took in is wholly a member of my family - with all the rights, privileges and love that goes along with that. My next door neighbor, however, was involved with a group that "rehabilitates" (and I use that word v e r y loosely) ferals. My pet name for them is 'Fiends of Ferals' (friends they are not!). She had over 20 fosters in her garage. Others in the group have from 60-100 fosters they are caring for. From my point of view -- that is INSANE. Plus - there were older members of the group who were constantly 'guilting' her into taking more. They prey on people's emotions --- "Take these kitties or they are going to die". To me, that is one of the VERY worst kinds of manipulation and it is unspeakably despicable. I know that even in a perfect situation where things are kept immaculately clean -- in an environment with that many cats - you simply cannot control disease...and you cannot give each one the love and comfort it deserves. My heart says that these cats would be happier romping in the fields than living their lives in a cage--disease be damned. I'm thinking -- catch them and alter their ability to reproduce...give them medical treatment and let them go. Even so -- this group that was "befriending" ferals had very limited resources. I donated huge bags of Chicken Soup dry and wet catfood and money. They made it IMPOSSIBLE to get any kind of tax-deductible receipt and were snooty about it too (and then they wonder why people don't donate more???) and not only that - they made me feel like they didn't appreciate anything I tried to do to help. It really torqued me and made me sad at the same time. One day - I totally went off on my neighbor because she had 20 cats in her garage - in summer. If you have ever lived in the south (I am located in the heart of Dixie) - you know very well how unbearably hot and humid it gets here in that time of year...garage temps can easily exceed 104 degrees (not to mention the heat index). I had already given her a huge upright oscillating fan...convinced her to open the screened window to let air in... and had offered to buy her a window air-conditioner (which she refused...i think it was a pride thing but she may see it differently) - thought she did occasionally open the garage door six inches or so for ventilationover 20 cats in the garage and in cages We don't exactly live in Beverly Hills either - our garages are small. She already had five cats of her own and a dog. I went ballistic. To me - this was animal cruelty and torture. I used my sword (my pen) and wrote her organization and the humane society and it wasn't pretty. No - I never got any kind of response whatsoever. Ok - so I am a busybody. I couldn't help it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. The next day - they had an air-conditioner in there...but still - I wondered about the people with 40, 60, 100 ferals in their keep. It's one thing if you can set up properly...a facility constructed for the purpose of taking care of these dears...with plenty of fresh air -- room to climb...a place not REEKING of feces. But that is NOT what is going on with this group. (I'm sure you can tell - this is really a hot button with me and I have a bad attitude about it and a lot of resentment). Now -- don't get me wrong. I LOVE my neighbor. She is a dear person and I would risk my life to take care of her and her family...but I just didn't think she GOT it at that time (i think she does now). They were so blinded by the fact that they needed to take in all these kitties that they couldn't see the big picture of what was really going on here. I'm afraid I hurt her feelings terribly and I am very sorry for that...but to me, as much as I loved her...the lives
Re: Asia, second opinion
I'm glad you are going to get a second opinion. Please keep us posted elizabeth In a message dated 11/24/06 08:38:34 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have an appointment today at 4 pm with an oncologist/internal medicine vet for evaluation of Asia. This is a relief just knowing I can get to Dr. Ward today. Been there before with dogs and she will tell me the blunt truth. Then I can decide what to do next. Have a friend in NY that is a cancer vet and radiologist who has now become involved and will send test results to him too. Dianne and Asia
Re: Hi again and Question
MJ, I wish I knew what to tell you but I don't. Hope Slinky will be ok - sounds good at least that he is running around and active. As to life being insane...well...welcome to my world! LOL Glad you are back. elizabeth In a message dated 11/23/06 21:54:43 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello everyone! I'm so sorry I've been out of touch for so long!!! I got behind in emails and never was able to get caught up...life has been so insane!!! I hate to even email when I haven't been able to read everyone's posts the last couple months. I send my love and thoughts to any who have lost furbabies and positive thoughts and prayers to any sick kitties. Slinky was neutered about 3 weeks ago and everything went well. They also retested him...and it was positive. :( I'm considering taking him to a holistic vet when I can afford it (which may be a while)...and also thinking about switching him to a raw diet as he doesn't seem terribly interested in his canned food lately. My question is about a couple things I've noticed lately. About a week or so ago, I came home and found vomit at the top of the stairs into my apartment. At least I think it was vomit...it looked like his canned food only slightly more watery. If I didn't know better, I'd have thought he dragged his dish over there and spilled it! lol But he seemed fine the rest of the night and I haven't seen any problems since. Now tonight, I was lying in bed and heard a strange noise in the living room...which turned out to be Slinky having a sneezing fit. He must've sneezed at least 20 times. Then it seemed to go away. But then a few minutes later I heard him hacking in the living room. I went in there, and again, he seems to be fine now. He has been acting a bit like 'psycho kitty" lately...running around a lot, acting a bit ornery, and pouncing on me to wake me up at 6:30 every morning. But other than that he's been just fine. So far, in the last 15 minutes or so...no more sneezing or coughing. But we'll see how he does through the night. Should I be concerned? Do I need to take him in tomorrow? Or do you think he'll be okay and he just got into something or something? Any thoughts or advice would be most appreciated. I considered trying to take his temp, but I don't think he'd let me...though I'd obviously force him if it was really necessary. Please send positive thoughts! Thanks...and thanks again for this great group...i'll try to stay more on top of the emails! Love to all of you and your babies. MJ Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: new diagnosis
Dianne, First of all -- welcome! You won't find a nicer, smarter group of people anywhere. We're glad you are here! Second - take a deep breath. FeVL+ is not always a death sentence. Euthanasia is standard operating procedures in some vet circles. Same thing happened to me last May when I took Mama Kitty in to the vet. She had lost a lot of weight and was so scary thin. She was extremely lethargic and not eating. Vet said she tested positive for FeVL and was very anemic and recommended putting her to sleep. I got big tears in my eyes and said - well I'm just not ready to say goodbye. He put Mama Kitty on antibiotics and gave her a steroid shot and put her on pet tinic (which she despises, but that's another story) That's when I became a google fiend and found this group. I read everything I could find and I decided to try Acemannan. My vet had never heard of it but said he would be willing to try it. He found out the protocols and procedures and I supplied him with a distributor. He got it within two days. It's a bit expensive..it was $300 for 5 shots - given once a week in the tummy...but to us, it was worth every penny. Within a few days, Mama Kitty began to get her appetite back. She visibly felt better. By the time she had her second and third shots - her coat was looking better and she was beginning to gain weight. By the fifth shot - she was playing with her toys! She has continued to improve and has for all practical purposes reverted to kittenhood. My neighbors have commented on the remarkable difference. I don't want to give you false hope. FeVL is an evil disease. Most of the cats who perish from it do so not because of the feline leukemia itself, but because their immune system is so weakened, they are more prone to infection and other diseases. There ARE treatments available, however, and people on this list have tried a number of things with success. Some cats live many, many years after testing positive. Most important is to start your baby on a good healthy diet and keep her stress-free...give her lots of love and remember that every day is precious. Third, love and prayers to you and your baby. What's kitty's name? How old is he/she? elizabeth In a message dated 11/23/06 08:32:02 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I just joined this list today, Thanksgiving Day. Yesterday my kitty was diagnosed with feline leukemia, she is just barely one year old and I have had her less than a year (by a few weeks). She has not been her usual self, not getting into everything, not eating, lethargic, breathing labored. Vet said the test results were strong and came back very quickly (a blue response in a little white tester almost like a home pregnancy test instrument), they administered fluids to her for dehydration and the spot where they inserted the needle bled alot, did not coagulate very well. Vet is recommending euthanasia and soon (tomorrow), she has responded today to probably the shot he gave her, she has gone to the bathroom and this am drank a small amount of catsmilk from Wisker's, licked some cat food off my fingers but not much. I am thinking of trying to get a second opinion tomorrow. I need some guidance here so I joined this list. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. Dianne
Re: OT: Happy Thanksgiving guys
euw. i've been up late reading...heard a commotion in the den a bit ago but i figure the kids are just playing. had to get up to get a drink of water and saw four cats sitting around staring at othello who was busy chomping away at something. got my water and thought -- what IS that he is chewing on? i know i heard a crunch. hellloit's a mouse :-/ they just can't understand why i would get rid of the source of their delight and entertainmenttheir early thanksgiving snack! oh well...i've never had to worry too much about mice in this house even if there is a huge field behind the house. elizabeth In a message dated 11/23/06 01:53:49 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I count you all in my blessings too. Gina, Tigger, Taylor, Bob and Pippin ETrent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you - and a Happy Thanksgiving to you. I am very blessed indeed to have found this group. much love to all from elizabeth, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, shakiti, othello, tori, and mama kitty In a message dated 11/22/06 18:14:06 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey guys, I just wanted to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving, and let all of you know that I give thanks for having you in my life. You are all a blessing, not to mention collectively, an enormous wealth of knowledge. May you be blessed for your selflessness and kindness. :) Wendy Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited Visit my Tigger Tales site! Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: OT: my feral calico mama Angelica is back!!
I am so glad she is back! elizabeth In a message dated 11/22/06 23:42:21 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, I just wanted to tell you that I just saw my missing calico mama, angelica waiting for me on my porch – after talking to AC, and haven’t seen her for the past 4 days, I was so convninced that she was not with us anymore after my neighbor poisoning cats in my neighborhood -- cannot express how relieved and glad to see her during this despair time.. moments like this gives me a reason why I do what I do for my ferals..thank you for all your prayers…
Re: Happy Thanksgiving guys
Sounds delish. I just frosted a three layer Italian Cream Cake and the sponge for the sour dough rolls is working its magic in there. Made a marinated salad and will cut up a lot of fresh fruit and bake the rolls in the morning. I am SO thankful that the Thanksgiving festivities aren't at my house! elizabeth In a message dated 11/22/06 19:45:20 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Same back to you Wendy! And to everyone else too! I am truly thankful to have such a wonderful group of people to keep me company! I've made my cranberry/apple sauce, the fudge is cooling now, the sweet potato pies are in the oven (3 of them, I promised 2 as gifts), and all my veggie prep work is done for tomorrow! That leaves just the cornbread to be made tonight, and then tomorrow, it's time to take the prepped veggies and the left out to go stale overnight corn bread and make it into dressing, roast the turkey (sorry vegans), and make the candied butternut squash casserole. We, of course, had pizza tonight, as the USA tradition... I was watching the food network I think, some show came on and said that something like 90% of Americans (they mean USAicans, of course) eat pizza on Thanksgiving eve. On another note... it's Tangs FIRST Thanksgiving! He's from Greece, so he's never seen a USAican Thanksgiving holiday. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: OT: Happy Thanksgiving guys
Thank you - and a Happy Thanksgiving to you. I am very blessed indeed to have found this group. much love to all from elizabeth, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, shakiti, othello, tori, and mama kitty In a message dated 11/22/06 18:14:06 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey guys, I just wanted to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving, and let all of you know that I give thanks for having you in my life. You are all a blessing, not to mention collectively, an enormous wealth of knowledge. May you be blessed for your selflessness and kindness. :) Wendy Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
Re: Happy Thanksgiving Everyone
Thank you. Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving. elizabeth In a message dated 11/22/06 18:06:24 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hope everyone stays well through the holiday. Beth & Stamp Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: Blaze please add to the CLS
I am so sorry, Sherry. elizabeth In a message dated 11/22/06 20:00:23 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once again we lost another sweet boy to that aweful felv.Blaze was not with us for long but he was such a sweet beautiful orange boy.I remember the first night I met him,I walked in and this handsome young blazing orange baby met me at the door welcoming me with his meow.He loved sleeping in anyones lap that was available. We seem to be losing one a week all of a sudden.It is scary. I just got back from visiting my Vitter Vits (Genevieve),she is still in the sick room.She sounds pretty congested,but that beautiful baby girl ate a bunch of the Temptations treats that I brought her. :)I love her!!! Take care everyone and if at all possible have a good Thanksgiving day. Sherry and her 4 fuzzy boys. Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: my 5th loss (to FIP?) - Rikki is at peace now
Hideyo - I am so very sorry. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 4:00 AM Subject: my 5th loss (to FIP?) - Rikki is at peace now Hi, I just wanted to ask you to take a moment to send a prayer for my most gentle kitty, Rikki who crossed the bridge to heaven tonight – he had the most peaceful crossing –though I was in the same are as he was resting (on the couch), I regret that I was not right besides him and was not holding him as I ma sure he would have liked – I was so exhausted and laying on the floor and felt sleep and woke up and he had passed already – I feel badly that I was not holding him.. Though he was so weak towards the end, every time, I could go and call his name, he would meow for me like he has done for the past several years I have had – I couldn’t wish for a much more perfect than rikki – I don’t know for sure if he had FIP for sure,, as it impacted a different part of the organ in his case (kidney) – though I know it was not CRF, as his kidneys were just fine two weeks ago. I was talking to someone today in rescue business – and there seems to be more FIP cases in our area for some reason – so Susan, in a sense you were right, there is something going on that no one knows about – there is more incidents for FIP in the area at least than every in the past.. and don’t know why..Right now I am in despair and tired.. I have 4 other kitties who are showing a partial of symptoms in other kitties who have passed away, and very paranoid. and I put all of them on FOI interferon hoping that I am catching everyone early enough that can reverse anything going one.. I am praying that I have seen the last of FIP tragedy at my household.. I also found out that one of my dogs JoJo who is 8 years old mix of chow and shepherd may or may not have cancer – his one of eyes is bleeding a bit and has a big tumor in his gum.. and has blood in his urine. The vet was not crazy how his eye and tumor looked.. we did an impression on him and see if we can find more – please send a prayer to JoJo and send a healing energy that he is going to get better – Also, I have not seen my feral calico kitty – Angelina for 4 nights – I talked to my AC—and she is either suffering something very acute or may not with us anymore – I knew she was not ill – I mentioned to her about my neighbour poisoning cats and she thought, she may be one of the victims – I can’t tell you how angry and devasting I am – she is a such a beautiful kitty, and was getting so used to me and meoed so loud and happy to see me – I have so much sadness, despair and angers these days. I am having a hard time to believe in faith.. may all my babies rest in peace.. and come back and have a joyful, happy and healthy life…. Hideyo Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: OT: Antonio Update - butt juice
OMGoodness! What will they think of next? LOL These links are great elizabeth In a message dated 11/21/06 23:31:40 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.fridgedoor.com/catbuairfr.html
Re: OT: Antonio Update - butt juice
ROFLMAO! elizabeth In a message dated 11/21/06 23:15:46 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL! Tigger also likes to jump up and stand on my shoulders, and he always turns around and looks back behind me, which means all you see as I walk towards you is Tigger butt, tail straight up in the air wagging. I go up to my boyfriend and say "See me one-eyed parrot? Rraark! Tiggy want a cracker?" LOL! We also have gotten into this new habit of when Tigger jumps up on the table, with his tail in the air, we use it like an old style hand water pump, and make noises "wreeech, wreeech, wreeech, wreeech!", like it's all rusty, LOL! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: OT: Antonio Update - butt juice
Phaewryn, What a hoot! LOL You're just speaking cat language :0) What is it about cats being so proud of their butts? Nothing even close to the canine mentality. It's like cats come up and say -- "Hello!!! Look at my butt!!!" (turning around with tail straight up in the air) *grin* I say -- "Yes! -- I see your hiney!" LOL (they love that too LOL) I'm no cat psychiatrist but I truly think that it is a sign of love and trust. It takes a long time and a lot of relationship building before a true feral will show you his butt -- and once he does, he truly considers you a friend. I still laugh when I think of one of my friends from college. She always called limburger - "cat butt cheese". To this day, I can't see it in the grocery store without thinking of that and cracking up. elizabeth In a message dated 11/21/06 17:43:02 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL, I have my stinky boy in my lap now. I'd never had a cat with such active anal glands until Tigger came along we call it "stinkytiggybootyroma". I make a big fuss out of sniffing his butt (I get really close and take a big deep sniff and say "Ewww, Tiggy, you STINKY!"), and he just LOVES it, my boyfriend, on the other hand, thinks I have a mental illness. Luckily he's never squirted them at me... they just ooze occasionally, causing the periodic need to change the bedding. Everyone else's butts smell like poopie, Tigger's is the only one that has that distinct anal gland juice smell. (We fondly refer to it as "butt-juice") Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: Haley Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I am so sorry. My heart is with you. elizabeth In a message dated 11/19/06 18:16:51 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our sweet little buff girl Haley has lost her battle with the aweful felv.She is now with her sister Hillary who left us a few months back.She was over 2 years old and was born with it. Sherry Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply
Re: Pics of Smookie and the rescued dog
I do! I do! :0) [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:59 PM Subject: Pics of Smookie and the rescued dog Hey guys, If anyone is interested in seeing Smookie, the kitten we adopted in February, or the dog we rescued two weeks ago, let me know, and I'll email you the pics. :) Wendy Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt - http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: need prayers
Saying prayers for you all, Hideyo, elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:12 AM Subject: need prayers Hi, everyone, I have a couple of kitties who are not feeling too well and I need you to send them positive energy and white beam of light – when you lose more than one kitties to FIP.. you become so paranoid.. when they sneeze, run fever.. you think they have FIP – and I am so tired of being fearful of this disease – my older boy Rikki has lot lots of weight and he is anemic and I am a bit freaking out, and my ayumi has mouth sore and can’t really eat and lost lots of weight and am not sure whether I should do a dental for her for certain conditions that she is in right now.. and my new rescued boy Toni, has had sneeze and running fever today – and am a little bit paranoid and worried. Please pray all of the babies are just going to be fine. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Update on Antonio
Thank you, Phaewryn. I think that is a good practice. He's very playful tonight and in good spirits. (He just jumped up on the keyboard) I can't help but think he's feeling pretty good...but to look at his backside still makes me wince. I do worry that he might build up a tolerance if I give it too often such that if he does have to have surgery, the demerol might not be as effective. I promise though - if he seemed at all in pain I'd be getting the vet out of bed. It sounds like you have an excellent veterinarian. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Update on Antonio You didn't mention your vet upping his pain meds... I do hope he's getting enough pain meds! MY vet wouldn't even let Tang leave the hospital until his butt inflammation went down to almost normal, due to wanting to be really consistent with the pain meds. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: ot: Update on Antonio
Thank you, Terrie. Antonio has been sassy tonight. He rolled on his belly and wrapped around my foot...climbed inside a new box to check it out tonight when I got home. He's been playing with some of his toys. His backside still looks terrible but I do think he's a lot better. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: ot: Update on Antonio Elizabeth, I'm glad to hear Antonio is feeling better today! He will remain in my thoughts and prayers that he gets better soon! He such a trooper! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Aloe vera, is it poisonous? (was Update on Antonio)
Thank you, Nina - this is helpful. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Aloe vera, is it poisonous? (was Update on Antonio) Okay, while I was reading about aloes and aloe vera gel I did start to remember something about the skin of the plant being toxic, (not the gel from the inside). I found this post from a Holisticat archive. I'm still confused after reading it, but I thought I'd pass it along while I look for clearer answers: ALOE(part used: leaf gel) vera vs ALOES (parts used: dried leaf juice---the following info was taken from the book "Herbal Medicines: A Guide for Health-Care Professionals", by Newhall, Anderson,and Phillipson; hardcover, 296 pages, $77, available through the American Botanical Council 1-800-373-7105) Aloe vera (Aloe vera and aloes are often confused with each other) refers to the mucilaginous tissue located in the leaf of Aloe vera or related Aloe species. However, many documented studies for Aloe vera have utilised homogenised leaf extracts which therefore combine aloe vera with aloes, the laxative preparation obtained from the bitter, yellow juice also found in the leaf. Commercial "aloin" is a concentrated form of aloes. Aloe vera is obtained from the mucilaginous tissue in the center of the Aloe vera leaf and consists mainly of polysacharides and lipids. It should not be confused with aloes, which is obtained by evaporation of water from the bitter yellow juice that is drained from the leaf.Unlike aloes, aloe vera does not contain any anthraquinone compounds and does not therefore, exert any laxative action. Hypoglycemic activity has been documented for an aloe vera extract, although it is unclear whether this is associated with the true aloe vera gel or the aloes extract. The external application of aloe vera gel during pregnancy is not thought to be any cause for concern. However, products stated to contain aloe extracts or aloe vera may well contain gastrointestinal stimulant anthraquinone components that are well recognized as the active constituents in aloes(laxative). As such, ingestion of such preparations during pregnancy and lactation should be avoided. ALOES ...recommended for the treatment of atonic constipation and suppressed menstruation. In human studies: the purgative action of the anthraquinone glycosides is well recognized, although aloes is reported to be more potent than both senna and cascara. An aloes extract in doses too small to cause abdominal cramps or diarrhea had a significant hypoglycemic effect in 5 non-insulin-dependant diabetics.(Ghannam N et al. The antidiabetic activity of aloes: preliminary and experimental observations. Hormone Res 1986; 24:288-94) Aloes is a potent purgative that may cause abdominal pains, gastro-intestinal irritation leading to pelvic congestion and in large doses, may result in nephritis, bloody diarrhea, and hemorrhagic gastritis. The drastic purgative action of aloes contra-indicates its use in individuals with hemorrhoids and existing kidney disease. In common with all purgatives, aloes should not be given to patients with intestinal obstruction, abdominal pain, nausea, or vomiting. Aloes colors alkaline urine red. Aloes is an abortifacient and affects the menstrual cycle. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Update on Valley - and thank you
This is very good news! Thank you for letting us know. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Update on Valley - and thank you My big flamepoint Siamese, Valley, who had the 7 hematocrit, is much better!! Thank you all for your prayers, good vibes and input. He has now had two shots of Epogen. Last night he came into the kitchen to drink water with the other kids rather than my taking a bowl to hiim. He came into the den and jumped up on the couch - where he spent the night. This morning I took him to the litterbox as I have been doiing and he jumped right out - which tells me that he is going on his own now. Also, for the first time in almost a week I didn't have to syringe-feed him. He ate Fancy Feast on his own. My vet says his gums look better - I wasn't sure. We are now doing a "hide and watch" - and wait and see if he continues to feel better and if his gums pinken some more. We may go to an Epogen shot once per week. I am very encouraged! Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: ot: Update on Antonio
Thank you, Nina. He's feeling better today. He jumped on my tummy (all 22.5lbs) bright and early this morning LOL He's up and about and no longer hiding under the bed. At any rate, I felt comfortable leaving him to come to work today. Maybe it's just me but it seems like Cefa drops work a lot better than Clavamox. Ah -- someone brought chocolate cake to work! My hero! outta here. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: ot: Update on Antonio Aloe vera gel is a good idea. I would probably buy the gel, (aloe only, no other additives or perfumes), at the health food store because it would be more sanitary. Funny, I'd have no problem putting aloe gel direct from the plant on a sore of my own! I used aloe gel on my Gypsy's inflamed sores, (from IBD). It really seemed to help speed the healing process. It's so wonderful that you have such faith in your vet. I've gone through a half a dozen looking for one I can trust since my favorite retired a couple of years ago. Healing vibes to you and your big boy, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Thank you so much. I stayed home from work today -- I wasn't feeling well - but mostly I was worried about my boy. Since yesterday he had been staying under the bed. I put a big towel down by the bed and laid there beside him - was up at 3am with the big lug applying cold compresses - which he seemed to appreciate. He just couldn't get comfortable. He's feeling a lot better now though. One thing I do respect about my vet is that he is an excellent surgeon. He did a 2 hour hip reconstruction on my parent's kitty (a stray who came to me that they adopted)...he did an amazing job. He was so exhausted after that surgery - he had to go home. Apparently the poor kitty had been injured by a car or a fall well before they got him and the little guy was in bad shape. His back leg wasn't even in the socket because he really didn't have a proper hip socket. Now Mr. Steve is the most gorgeous, healthy guy you've ever seen and doesn't even have a limp. Dr. Reid made him a hip joint. His spay and neuter surgeries are so far above the work you normally see - very tight and concise incisions/stitches that heal beautifully. He operated on Mama Kitty too when she had a very bad abscess from a bite before she transitioned to indoor living. He truly is talented - which is rare considering that he is a general practitioner out in the county and not the least bit flashy or arrogant. Even so - if there is any way we can avoid surgery for Antonio - we will. It will only be a last resort. Antonio is so smart -- he knows he has a drippy ugly bottom and would not sit down until I got him some special towels LOL I am probably the worst housekeeper on the planet - but he is so fastidious and concerned that he wouldn't get on the bed until I put towels down for him - and wouldn't sit in his favorite places in the den until I had his special towels all around. He knows they are just for him and nobody else bothers them. I've been debating using aloe vera gel on him - I must have half a dozen plants...but since he is comfortable now, I just don't want to apply anything that might get his backside angry again. Sorry this is so long - I really appreciate you guys being there. elizabeth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: ot: Update on Antonio
LOL Thanks WendyAntonio and I appreciate your prayers for his big ol' butt :0) I'm going to have to take a picture of him and upload it so I can send a link - he is gorgeous. He would give you a big head butt the minute he saw you. The vet was talking about how big he is - but pointed out that it's not all from being overweight -- he's just genetically a BIT HONKIN' CAT! I have his litter mate, Tiffy, too...I couldn't bear to separate them when they were up for adoption as kittens. They are both six years old now. She weighs half as much as he does and has long gorgeous hair...she is a true princess and everyone MUST acknowledge her royalty LOL She has lovely auburn hair...but when she turns and walks away from you - you see her white petticoat on her back legs. Amazing they both came from the same litter. Kitty kisses and head butts, elizabeth In a message dated 11/14/2006 3:17:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elizabeth,Prayers going out for Antonio's big 'ol butt...lol.:)Wendy
Re: ot: Update on Antonio
Nina, Thank you so much. I stayed home from work today -- I wasn't feeling well - but mostly I was worried about my boy. Since yesterday he had been staying under the bed. I put a big towel down by the bed and laid there beside him - was up at 3am with the big lug applying cold compresses - which he seemed to appreciate. He just couldn't get comfortable. He's feeling a lot better now though. One thing I do respect about my vet is that he is an excellent surgeon. He did a 2 hour hip reconstruction on my parent's kitty (a stray who came to me that they adopted)...he did an amazing job. He was so exhausted after that surgery - he had to go home. Apparently the poor kitty had been injured by a car or a fall well before they got him and the little guy was in bad shape. His back leg wasn't even in the socket because he really didn't have a proper hip socket. Now Mr. Steve is the most gorgeous, healthy guy you've ever seen and doesn't even have a limp. Dr. Reid made him a hip joint. His spay and neuter surgeries are so far above the work you normally see - very tight and concise incisions/stitches that heal beautifully. He operated on Mama Kitty too when she had a very bad abscess from a bite before she transitioned to indoor living. He truly is talented - which is rare considering that he is a general practitioner out in the county and not the least bit flashy or arrogant. Even so - if there is any way we can avoid surgery for Antonio - we will. It will only be a last resort. Antonio is so smart -- he knows he has a drippy ugly bottom and would not sit down until I got him some special towels LOL I am probably the worst housekeeper on the planet - but he is so fastidious and concerned that he wouldn't get on the bed until I put towels down for him - and wouldn't sit in his favorite places in the den until I had his special towels all around. He knows they are just for him and nobody else bothers them. I've been debating using aloe vera gel on him - I must have half a dozen plants...but since he is comfortable now, I just don't want to apply anything that might get his backside angry again. Sorry this is so long - I really appreciate you guys being there. elizabeth In a message dated 11/14/2006 12:10:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh Elizabeth, that poor big sugar boy! I'm hoping the steroid shot will ease the inflammation long enough to allow his poor bum to heal! How about some soothing ointments or salves? I did some research about anal gland removal surgery when I first found out my dog Vladimir suffers with impactions. The things that can go wrong were pretty scary. If that's the way you decide to go, I'd look for someone that has experience with this particular surgery. I'm sure your regular vet won't be offended. Anyone that gets that sort of reaction from Antonio has to be a very good human!I hope his poor little hinney feels better soon,Nina
Re: You are my support group-please add Schumacher to the CLS
Brenda, I am so sorry for your loss. elizabeth In a message dated 11/13/2006 6:42:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know I only post to this group when I have a tragedy, but I read almost all the posts online daily. I feel like you all are my support group although I don't have any FeLV+ cats any more. I lost my last one in June. Anyway, our FIV+ Schumacher as gone to Rainbow Bridge today. About 6 weeks ago he went to the vet because he was a little depressed and wasn't eating well. The bloodwork showed kidney problems (elevated BUN & creatinine) and below normal PCV. He spent 5 days in the hospital and the vet pulled him through. He's been on prednisolone, cyproheptadine, Pepsid AC, Procrit & sub-Q fluids. Over the weekend, he just took a nose dive and wouldn't eat or drink anything. He was drooling and gagging at the sight of any food. I took him back to the vet this morning and she didn't think anythig else could be done. His anemia appeared to be gone, but he was just very depressed and vocalizing (normally quiet) alot when I tried to hold him. He had clearly had enough of the needles & pills. The vet recommend PTS and I decided it was the best thing. He was a very loving orange tabby with a little "cat"titude on the side and was my husband's favorite. This is never easy and it's already been a rough year. We've lost 2 others since June. Please add our Schumacher to the CLS as a non-positive. Thanks for always being there to listen when I need you all. Brenda
Re: ot: Update on Antonio
no pain medsI'll ask about Buprenex. Thank you, Kelly. He doesn't seem to be in pain - but I know cats are so stoic. His stools are a bit soft right now naturally and I've been watching carefully to make sure he is able to eliminate properly. He's my shadow right now because he knows I'm taking care of him. He's a total angel taking his medicine - I don't even have to hold him -- just reach out with the dropper and he will take it. He loves people, cats, and dogs...Antonio never met anybody he didn't love (ok - he hated my ex...that should have been a clear sign). elizabeth In a message dated 11/13/2006 9:26:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 07:15 PM 11/13/2006, you wroteIs he on pain medication...Ask for...no insist on Buprenex.He needs it until his bottom is better, Is he on a stool softener alsolike Colace??Kelly: Poor little big Antonio. Took him back today for his checkup - he looks like he's been hit in the butt by a missile. Those glands are just so inflamed and his backside looks awful. So red and irritated...draining -- we never missed a single dose of antibiotics but he looks so much worse than when I took him in last week (although he seems to be feeling much better). The vet didn't dare try to even express his glands or take his temp -- apparently Antonio has been scooting around in his spare time and that hasn't helped. He gave Antonio a long-acting steroid shot and since we finished a week on Clavamox we're starting a week of Cefa-drops. I asked the vet what I could do to make him more comfortable...told him I wanted to keep him clean but I don't want to irritate his already sensitive backside. He said to just apply a cold compress from time to time. We may have to have surgery. They won't evaluate, however, until the inflammation calms down. Antonio is such a big boy. He's too big for any known cat carrier...and even though I bought him a dog carrier good for 35lbs - the handle broke off the first time I put him in and picked it up. I just sling him over my shoulder and go. So funny at the vet's today...typical comments from other patients are -- "OMG! That's the biggest cat I've ever SEEN!" yeah...he's a big babyhe's bigger than some people's children. He's my baby though and I'm doing everything I can to take care of him. Please say a prayer for my big boy,elizabethNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.4/532 - Release Date: 11/13/2006
Re: ot: Update on Antonio
Thank you, Barb. That sweet boy -- when we were in the examination room and Dr. Reid walked in -- Antonio took a flying leap over to the counter where Dr. Reid was and gave him a big head butthe knows our vet loves him and takes care of him too. I try to hang on to that boy but he has his own mind sometimes. elizabeth In a message dated 11/13/2006 9:26:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh that poor guy! his hinder must just be killing him! and the scooting definitely isn't helping - do you think it might help if he wore one of those little anti-breeding diaper thingies? - they're fairly small and breeders use them on their boys (and girls too I think) when breeding isn't on the schedule. A cool-cold compress is probably the thing that would feel best to him - poor guy :(GLOW to you both Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:15:00 PMSubject: ot: Update on Antonio Poor little big Antonio. Took him back today for his checkup - he looks like he's been hit in the butt by a missile. Those glands are just so inflamed and his backside looks awful. So red and irritated...draining -- we never missed a single dose of antibiotics but he looks so much worse than when I took him in last week (although he seems to be feeling much better). The vet didn't dare try to even express his glands or take his temp -- apparently Antonio has been scooting around in his spare time and that hasn't helped. He gave Antonio a long-acting steroid shot and since we finished a week on Clavamox we're starting a week of Cefa-drops. I asked the vet what I could do to make him more comfortable...told him I wanted to keep him clean but I don't want to irritate his already sensitive backside. He said to just apply a cold compress from time to time. We may have to have surgery. They won't evaluate, however, until the inflammation calms down. Antonio is such a big boy. He's too big for any known cat carrier...and even though I bought him a dog carrier good for 35lbs - the handle broke off the first time I put him in and picked it up. I just sling him over my shoulder and go. So funny at the vet's today...typical comments from other patients are -- "OMG! That's the biggest cat I've ever SEEN!" yeah...he's a big babyhe's bigger than some people's children. He's my baby though and I'm doing everything I can to take care of him. Please say a prayer for my big boy, elizabeth
ot: Update on Antonio
Poor little big Antonio. Took him back today for his checkup - he looks like he's been hit in the butt by a missile. Those glands are just so inflamed and his backside looks awful. So red and irritated...draining -- we never missed a single dose of antibiotics but he looks so much worse than when I took him in last week (although he seems to be feeling much better). The vet didn't dare try to even express his glands or take his temp -- apparently Antonio has been scooting around in his spare time and that hasn't helped. He gave Antonio a long-acting steroid shot and since we finished a week on Clavamox we're starting a week of Cefa-drops. I asked the vet what I could do to make him more comfortable...told him I wanted to keep him clean but I don't want to irritate his already sensitive backside. He said to just apply a cold compress from time to time. We may have to have surgery. They won't evaluate, however, until the inflammation calms down. Antonio is such a big boy. He's too big for any known cat carrier...and even though I bought him a dog carrier good for 35lbs - the handle broke off the first time I put him in and picked it up. I just sling him over my shoulder and go. So funny at the vet's today...typical comments from other patients are -- "OMG! That's the biggest cat I've ever SEEN!" yeah...he's a big babyhe's bigger than some people's children. He's my baby though and I'm doing everything I can to take care of him. Please say a prayer for my big boy, elizabeth
Re: Scooter has gone to the bridge
I am so sorry for your loss. My heart is with you. Elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 6:53 AM Subject: Scooter has gone to the bridge Our little baby wasn’t strong enough to hold on over the weekend. The vet called yesterday to say that his condition had worsened. He was no longer responding to their petting or holding him, and didn’t even stand up during the examination, and seemed to be in much more pain. She had given him more pain medicine and he was basically out of it. I asked about the dex cocktail, and she said his kidneys were even more enlarged and felt hard and she didn’t think it would help at this point. My husband and I didn’t want him to continue to suffer, so we decided to let him go. We are comforted by the fact that he did find us, as he would have likely starved to death from the mass in his mouth, so at least we were able to help him finish this life in comfort and warmth. We only had him for a couple months but this little fellow really worked his way into our hearts, and the house seems so much quieter now. But I am so grateful to him for teaching us so much about this virus, and should another stray kitty come to us we will know a little more about what to do. I requested a post-mortem in case they can learn anything more about his condition and if there is useful information I’ll post it. We’re going to bury him in the back yard sometime this week. Our vet was wonderful and said that we should envision him in his healthy 7 pound body running around free of pain. Thanks to all of you who have helped us through this difficult time. Prayers for all the kitties still fighting this disease, and to all of the compassionate caregivers working so hard to help them. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
a little ot: question
Sometimes I get so much email that I have to scan quickly and I know I miss out on things...but I have this question that I hope someone can answer. If FIV can only be confirmed with necropsy, then how does the test for FIV work? I ask because when Mama Kitty was giving a test at the vet's office for FeVL - we looked for two dots to show on this thing that looks a lot like a pregnancy test...she had a faint dot on the FeVL side but no dot on the FIV side. Am I getting this confused with something else? Was it FIP that I am thinking about. Duh. Thank you for your time and patience - Your ignorant friend, elizabeth
Re: Haley
Prayers for you all and special prayers for Haley, Sherry. love and light, elizabeth In a message dated 11/12/2006 8:19:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could I ask for some prayers for our sweet little buff girl Haley,she seems to be losing weight,we lost her sister Hillary a few months back.They were born with felv and she is over 2 years old now.We know she won't be here for years and years but prayers would be appreciated.Thank you all so much. Sherry
Re: Scooter update
Thank you for letting us know - I've been thinking about you guys. love and prayers, elizabeth In a message dated 11/12/2006 4:16:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The vet called yesterday - Scooter is stable and not in any pain (he''s on opiates). I'll consult with her about the dex shots. It's nice to know there's SOMETHING I can do!
Re: for all the sick kitties - kind of OT
Go Go Go! And thank you. elizabeth In a message dated 11/12/2006 4:04:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just want you to know I'm running a marathon today. People sometimes dedicate every mile to someone different - I've got 25 kitties names I've taken from the list (some sick, some already at the bridge) written on my bib and I'll be dedicating a mile to each of them. The first mile is for ALL the kitties.
Re: Scamming Homeopath/psychopath
She's giving homeopathy a bad name. $25 for an email is outrageous. I hope someone can put a stop to her nonsense. elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 10:40:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OMD, i was right, it IS the woman i was thinking about! she is NOTORIOUS for this kind of stuff i was warned about her probably 3 years ago by someone who'd been on her list--i even joined the list myself for awhile just to see. didn't stay long, as you've all noticed i do NOT have a lot of patience for people who clearly don't know their anal glands from their whiskers, and who use scare tactics to mask their real motives... there's someone on another list who used to quote this woman extensively as an expert--a number of others on the list were quite vocal in disabusing the rest of the folks about those claims... i'm gonna check with a friend who's very involved with ETHICAL alternative practitioners--if even i know of this woman, she surely will--perhaps she knows of people who have successfully taken legal actions against her. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Prayers and love for all of you - elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 6:24:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: our little Scooter
This is so hard. I am so sorry things don't look better. I'm saying prayers for you and Scooter. elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 7:18:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it. The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week. His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites. He didn't look good yesterday. I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers. This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this. Bless you.
Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS
Sherry, I am so very sorry. My prayers and my heart are with you. elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 6:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very unique boy. :( Thank you for your prayers. Sherry
Re: Homoepathic SCAM??
I think this is outrageous. elizabeth In a message dated 11/10/2006 2:27:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in desperate situations, there is a " Homeopath" who also has a site, Without going into all of the details which I have records of this person frightens people in to following her plan and charges a lot of money, she has made a claim on her site that she has an over 50% success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to give any references, If you ask you just get insulted, she tells them she can only take on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky enough to be selected for her fee she will take you on as a client,I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis had I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to the vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without surgery would have died, He is now fat and happy,I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so please correct me if I am in error,> This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the> > >original is sent via PayPal.> > >> > >Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06.> > >Copy here:> > >> > > > Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a> > >specific> > > > remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98> >each> > > > additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at> >the> > > > start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case> > > > progresses, if the symptoms change significantly.> > > > The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the>recommendations> > > > accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies,> >supplements,> > > > and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about>8> > > > hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a> > >consult.> > >> > >[This was not received yet.]> > >> > > > After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on>which> > > > advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as> >not> > >to> > > > charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars.> > >> > >INVOICE ITEMS:> > >9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25> > >9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25> > >9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20> > >9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25> > >9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25> > >9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up $147.00> > >9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, (complimentary)> > >9-21-06 Follow-up $25> > >9-26-06 Follow-up re Zinc 200C multiple emails $25> > >9-27-06 Follow-up multiple emails $25> > >9-28-06 Short email $5> > >10-03-06 Short email $5> > >10-03-06 Fip 30C and 200c nosode parcel $35> > >10-05-06 Advice NOT to use FIP 200C before Dharma is fully well. $10> > >10-11-06 Instructions how to ensure the nosodes last several years.>$25> > >10-17-06 Advice for other cats $25> > >10-25-06 Follow-up emails XXX worse after Fip 200C nosode $25.> > >10-26-06 Multiple email follow-ups $25> > >10-30-06 Repertorize again (Kali-c and Pic-ac) $98> > >10-30-06 Short email $5> > >10-31-06 Multiple follow-up emails $25> > >> > >TOTAL DUE through end OCTOBER: $625.00> > >PayPal fee if paid by credit card $31> > >TOTAL BY PAYPAL $656> > >> > >If to prefer to mail a check to avoid the PAyPal fee, that is fine,> >just> > >> > >let me know and I'll cancel the PayPal invoice.> > >> > >> > >Thank You.> > >> > >--I am sure there are good , professional Homeopaths out there getting a bad reputation from what I see as scam artists. Please share your wise opinions here. also the price she is attempting to charge another friend.I know we deal with bad VETS all the time, but there are others out there willing to take advantage also.
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Nina, you are cracking me up :0) I am just sitting here thinking about what would happen if I asked my small band of co-workers if I smelled like cat pee. My name would officially become "CAT PEE WOMAN"they would change my name plate on my door LOL I would hear cat pee jokes for the next 3 months...whether I had a trace of cat pee or not ;-) You can't have a thin skin where I work. One of us had to get his two front teeth pulledthe rest of the gang all wore halloween teeth the next day in his honor ;-) Still...I don't know if they would honestly let me know or not. I know I showed up one day in an elegant cat pee duster..I had to lay low that day... elizabeth In a message dated 11/10/2006 11:24:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common:WE STINK! I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals. I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink?? Maybe we should have T shirts printed up, "If you can smell Cat, then you're too close!"NinaSusan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective. I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves.tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're SNEAKY!!!Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed! Kelley Saveika wrote:> My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people > have been complaining that I smell like cat urine.> > I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe > every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once > and then I was aware of it.> > Could I smell bad and not know it?>>> -- > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!>> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: Question about a ruptured disc
Beth, I do not have answers for you - I am so sorry you and Louie are going through this. Others here may have answers to your questions - but I just wanted to say that I'm glad you've joined our group and you guys are in my prayers. elizabeth In a message dated 11/10/2006 2:17:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My name is Beth and I have been a member for a littlewhile, but this is my first post. I know this is offtopic, but from reading all your posts, I'm hopingsomeone can offer some help with this.I have a cat, Louie, who has a ruptured disc. He washurt last Wednesday (11/1) in an outside kennel - Idon't know how he was hurt, whether he jumped andlanded wrong or fell or what happened. Took him to myvet, he kept him to x-ray him the next morning. WhenI called to check on him, said he had a ruptured disc.He put him on fluids, antibiotics and put in acatheter. He has had him & still has him. Yesterday,he said that he didn't seem improved any, wasparalyzed, and although he didn't like to do it, herecommended putting him to sleep.When I called today to ask what would be done ifsurgery was done. He didn't answer that question, butsaid that I would have to take him to the Universityof GA Vet School where they would do an MRI and basedon a list of criteria they have, determine whethersurgery would help him or not. I didn't ask if heknew what the cost would be.This cat is a former stray cat where I have severalthat have come to my home (I live in a rural area).As I couldn't take all of them into my house, we haveerected a 10' x 10' chain link kennel with a top &that is where these cats stay. I don't want to haveto put him to sleep unless it is the only way to keephim from suffering, but I don't know if I can affordto take him to the Vet School. I don't want him tosuffer, but I don't want to end his life if I don'thave to do so.Has anyone had any experience with anything like this?If so, I'd appreciate any help & advice anyone couldoffer. I'm supposed to give my vet an answer as towhich way to go by Friday or Saturday at the latest.Thanks so much to all of you for the help & love yougive our cat buddies.Beth R. Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Well that's pretty sorry sneaking behind your back like that. A friend will tell you if your slip is showing or that you sat in chocolate or if you smell like cat pee. I have some nice kitty tootsie rolls for that person ;-) In a message dated 11/9/2006 6:58:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, they didn't come to me. They went to my supervisor. So I don't even know for sure who it is. I did ask one of my friends at work and he said he had a bad sense of smell and didn't know what cat urine smelled like. I told him ammonia and he said he had never smelled that either?!? Then he said that he had never smelled anything bad coming from my direction.
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
LOL Beth, I'm sorry - I had to laugh. These things just happen when you have babies. Embarrassing is wearing a nice dress...then sitting in a melted chocolate bar without knowing it...and then prancing off to take care of some business down town and the television crews are there. ::snicker:: These things keep a girl humble. :0) In a message dated 11/9/2006 6:58:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, ya wanna know what embarrassing is? Try going out to a nice dinner, wait staff reaching over your shoulder constantly to serve the food, fill the water glasses, clear the plates, and only notice when you are leaving that your parrot had pooped on your shoulder. Sadly, this has happened to me more than once... I haven't used Odo-Ban for urine odors, but it did an incredible job getting spilled gasoline smell out of car trunk carpet. Another thought, people are so easily influenced by the power of suggestion, if they know you have cats their brains might tell them "cat urine" when it is actually another odor. For some reason my neighbor's pine trees on a foggy day smell just like cat pee to me, even back when I had no cats. I would smell it, then become convinced that some beastie must have found a way into my crawl space and gone potty. Hubby finally made the connection to the trees... Good luck, Beth
Re: dirty bum bum - OT (as if it needs to be pointed out)
I use baby wipes on Antonio. The vet told me that would be fine. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: dirty bum bum - OT (as if it needs to be pointed out) I have a cat named Winston and I never see him clean himself. He is about 2 years old now. I found him in the backyard when he was just about 6 or 7 weeks old. Bless his heart he is our cat with issues. He will be allowing you to pet him and then turn around and bite the crap out of you. I have to clean his back side some. I just keep a couple of wash cloths that are his and rinse with warm water and wipe him. I didn't know what else to use. Cindy Reasoner --- Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > My 6 month old kitten Beatrix is medium-haired. As > with many teenagers, her > standards of personal hygiene are not on par with > the rest of us (being > Satchmo and myself). She puts on the act of > cleaning herself, but I think > that she just copies the position that Satch gets in > and has no idea what > she's supposed to be doing down there. She doesn't > have a problem with > dingleberries (souvenirs of her trip to the > litterbox: "I went to the > litterbox and all I got was this stupid > dingleberry") to share with the rest > of us, but as she likes to point her tail end toward > my face end, I know > that she needs some help with execution. > > Every few days I'll just wet a paper towel and take > a few wipes to help her > out, but I'm wondering if any of the rest of you > deal with this, if you > think that as she matures and isn't so ADD about > everything, she'll get > better, or lastly, if there are any products (wipes) > out there that might > have some mild soap in them that would be safe to > use on her. A wet paper > towel will start to chafe, I'd think. > > As thanks for your advice, and since I fell off the > OT wagon, I may as well > make a bender out of it, I thought that some of you > might enjoy this: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6376594&sc=emaf&sc= > > Leslie > Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Lucy very sick again
Prayers going up for you and Lucy. Let us know what the doctor says. elilzabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Lucy very sick again I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: What is FIP?
Beth, Thank you for this explanation. I didn't have a good understanding of FIP and this has been very helpful. elizabeth In a message dated 11/8/2006 8:48:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kayte, I'll try to give a quick run down on FIP as I understand it. It begins with something called Feline Corona Virus (FCoV). This is a very contagious but normally harmless virus that many cats have. It is estimated that 85% or more of shelter cats and cattery cats have it. It lives in the intestines and normally causes no problems. Kitties that live by themselves or with just one or two others are likely to eventually clear this virus from their systems. In larger groups, as one cat clears it, another is in an active shedding phase and reinfecting the others, so it is much harder to eliminate. Not a big deal, as it is pretty much causes no symptoms in this form. The problem occurs when the virus mutates into FIP in certain individual cats. Nobody knows why this mutation takes place. There is speculation that stress and/or genetic susceptibility may play a role. Cheetahs have a very narrow gene pool and are highly susceptible to FIP. Overall, maybe about 5% (give or take) of FCoV infected cats go on to develop FIP. The mutation itself is not contagious, it must occur spontaneously within each cat. Once it does, the virus is able to move out of the gut. It attaches itself to macrophages and moves into the rest of the body, causing the cats immune system to over-react and attack itself, punching tiny holes through blood vessels and creating lesions on organs. Untreated, it is fatal. There is a small Japanese study which seemed to cure some cats with Feline Omega Interferon. One of the leading researchers (Dr. Addie) also stated that she had I think a 25-30% cure rate with FOI. Some recent larger studies failed to show any life-saving benefit to FOI treatment, although I think they did see an initial lessening of the viral load. More research is needed. FIP is very difficult to diagnose (necropsy is the only sure bet), some treatable diseases can cause similar symptoms. Cornell University and Dr. Addie both have websites with much more information. If Crackers is your only kitty and has no contact with other cats, your chances of ever needing to know any of this are about 0. And even if you eventually decide to adopt another from the shelter, the odds are in your favor that it will never be a problem. Well, so much for being quick, this is a bit of a book! Take care, Beth
Re: To Elizabeth: Re: ot: Antonio (Wendy)
Thank you Phaewryn. I changed my deliveries to the Chicken Soup Light Formula (since that is the brand they are used to). It has 32% protein, 8% fiber and 9% fat. elizabeth In a message dated 11/7/2006 9:33:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Innova Lite has been discontinued, and replaced with Innova Low Fat, a low fiber5.5%, semi-high protein 32%, lower fat diet 10%; and Innova Senior, a higher protein38%, high fiber 8%, and low fat 12% diet. I like the Senior formula better for fatcats, as they tend to get blocked back there (as we all have experienced it seems)and the fiber helps with that. I don't think that 2% fat really makes that muchdifference between the two.PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlLow cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for catowners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlThe Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: messages not coming through?/ - testing
i got it In a message dated 11/7/2006 6:30:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know if all the messages are going through -- so this is just atesting -- please respond you get this so that I know I am getting yourresponses. :)
Re: Good vet, was: Re: ot: Antonio
Leslie, I live in North Alabama - about 20 minutes or so from Huntsville. *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Good vet, was: Re: ot: Antonio That's great Elizabeth, we hear too many stories of the other kind of vets. It's really nice to hear of some that are very dedicated to their people and animals. What area are you in? Thanks, Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ot: Antonio Leslie, I really do like everyone who works in that office. I've had kitties who had to have surgery and stay overnight. The vet would go to the office in the middle of the night to give them more pain medicine so they wouldn't hurt. A lot of vets in this area take care of horses, cows, and other farm animals - but my vet specializes in small animals -- plus, he has a few cats himself. They are very direct about things - they don't try to sugar-coat for you...but I appreciate that. I want to know the facts so I can deal with them. They are always so good to explain and answer questions. When I told him I wanted to try Acemannan, he was very agreeable and did some research on it that very day. They really do seem to care about the animals too. elizabeth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: My Little Pete is BACK! thank you for all your prayers and meditations!!!
That is wonderful news! I'm so glad. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:39 AM Subject: My Little Pete is BACK! thank you for all your prayers and meditations!!! Hi, everyone, thank you all who prayed for my little Pete to come back and who those did the meditations for my Pete – He is back!!! He welcomed be running around back and forth last night – very happy to see me..and I was so thrilled to see him..- I just have to tell you how amazingly this meditation works – I am not saying that all the kitties missing were found because of the meditation but, it does have correlation – and I wanted to tell you the history so that if your kitty is missing in the future, you can give a try.. Sam – about one year ago, someone on the list’s kitty, Sam was missing – he was missing for about two weeks – and I saw the posting,, and the meditation on Saturday, and I saw the posting on Sunday morning that he was found. Nina’s Spencer – when Nina’s Spencer was missing, I did the meditation the next day or so.. and as you all know he came back – Pussy cat – my Neighbor’s pussy cat kitty was missing for three days and according to my AC, Jasmine was stuck some place and cannot get out – and I did the meditation and next day, his neighbor called and found pussy cat stuck in a swamp cooler and the owner went to get him.. George – my FIV George was missing for a couple of weeks, and I did the meditation and the same night, he showed up. Leslie’s Beatrix and Satch – as you all know their stories – I did the meditation .. and the next day, I saw the posting that both were found – Again, I am not saying that they were not going to be found with out the meditations.. I never had a situation where I did the meditation and a missing kitty was not found.. this was told by one of the AC instructor and she had warned me how you get reunited with your missing kitty in the most amazing way.. and I believed her.. and it has not let me down… J Hideyo Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: To Elizabeth: Re: ot: Antonio
LOL! You are quite right, Diane...there's nothing quite like that fragrance wafting through a room. Pungent is too weak a word to describe it ;-) euuu! elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:08 AM Subject: RE: To Elizabeth: Re: ot: Antonio Elizabeth -- I'm so glad Antonio's problem was so "easily" treated -- though I suspect if we consulted Antonio, he'd have a different take on it. But even if he's hurting a little, he's got to feel immensely better! We had a couple of schnauzers when I was a kid, and for some reason schnauzers are especially susceptible to anal sac impaction. I was with one of them when the vet expressed the sacs, and I have blessedly repressed the exact nature of the stench, I just know it was like nothing I had ever smelled before. Who would have thought our sweet fuzzy baby had THAT inside her? Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: To Elizabeth: Re: ot: Antonio
Thank you, Wendy :0) elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:58 AM Subject: To Elizabeth: Re: ot: Antonio Elizabeth, I am so happy that it wasn't anything serious with Antonio. I started getting worried as I read through the replies to your question, and I'm surprised I didn't think about impacted anal sacs. My Pepper has had them. She is a little overweight too. I may switch to Innova Lite, instead of Evo for she and her sister. Again, so glad to hear Antonio's going to be ok! Take care! :) Wendy Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. http://www.findtherightschool.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: ot: Antonio
Leslie, I really do like everyone who works in that office. I've had kitties who had to have surgery and stay overnight. The vet would go to the office in the middle of the night to give them more pain medicine so they wouldn't hurt. A lot of vets in this area take care of horses, cows, and other farm animals - but my vet specializes in small animals -- plus, he has a few cats himself. They are very direct about things - they don't try to sugar-coat for you...but I appreciate that. I want to know the facts so I can deal with them. They are always so good to explain and answer questions. When I told him I wanted to try Acemannan, he was very agreeable and did some research on it that very day. They really do seem to care about the animals too. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:53 AM Subject: Re: ot: Antonio Elizabeth, Very cool that your vet took the time to explain and draw pictures, s/he sounds like a good doctor with a good staff. Do you like them in general? (just out of curiousity) Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ot: Antonio To be honest - I don't really know other than signs of pain (maybe redness or visible signs of infection) but I am going to read about it. I will be vigilant looking for any little signs from now on. Can't stand to think of my boy in pain. *yuck alert * When the vet tech raised his tail a certain way you could see a little bit of infection on two sides. She was going to take his temperature but when she saw that she knew what it was and said she wouldn't put him through that - and I'm glad she didn't. The vet drew pictures on the white board and showed me how things work and explained how infections can happen. There is a gland on either side of the rectum - and they connect to sacs internally that are filled with fluid. Normally, when a cat has a bowel movement, that puts enough pressure on the sacs to expel them. The function of these anal sacs is scent...and they tend to function rather well in that regard. If a cat has runny stools (as Antonio did not long ago) - there isn't enough pressure to expel those glands and the fluid inside can become thick because it isn't released. Any gland that doesn't drain properly becomes infected. Then when they do try to do their business it becomes very painful. They said there are some cats that just won't go at all because it hurts so much and then they can have blockages. Additionally, when cats are overweight, those glands tend to be more recessed and that can lead to infections because they don't get expressed properly on a regular basis. They checked out his bladder too just to make sure he didn't have a UTI. *end yuck alert* We did discuss putting Antonio on the light formula cat food. I'm going to get my deliveries changed today. I think we both need the tread mill. elizabeth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: ot: Antonio
Thank you, Cindy. He's not ready to go run any races but he seems to be feeling a bit better. Wish I could have stayed home with him today. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: ot: Antonio I am glad Antonio's problem wasn't anything major. Although, I am sure he didn't enjoy what the vet did to him. I hope he starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > When I went home to take Antonio to the vet's...he > went in the laundry room > - turned his back end toward me, squatted over the > dust pan (something he > would NEVER do)...and assumed 'the position' for a > few minuteshe was telling > mama something is wrong. He looked like he was > trying to go potty but > nothing was going on. > > We just got back from the vet's. That poor sweet > boy had some very infected > anal sacs. I feel bad because I didn't know sooner. > They expressed them > and gave him a steroid shot and an antibiotic shot. > Antonio was such a > trooper. He loves everybody. He's not at all > afraid to ride in the car. After the > vet did what must have been a very painful > procedure - Antonio gave the vet > head butts. He loved on the vet tech too. He's > just the sweetest big ol' > boy. > > He's taking Clavamox. We go back Monday for a > check-up. > > Sponsored Link Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for? http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Acemanan availability (was need prayers for my baby Dharma again pleease!!)
It's very different from immunoregulin. It's available for sale again now. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Acemanan availability (was need prayers for my baby Dharma again pleease!!) Isn't acemannan the same as immunoregulin? You can't get it now? t Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You know, I was just thinking that perhaps there might be a way to get special dispensations the way we do for feline interferon. Or, perhaps it's sold in a different country that we could order from. Has anyone looked in to it's availability somewhere besides the US? Has anyone contacted the company that distributes it or produces it to find out? Don't get me started on how "disturbing" it is to be "protected" by our government agencies. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is disturbing to me that the Acemanan is still being withheld from the market. I'm trying to remember if it was the FDA or dept. of agriculture that was doing that. This has been going on way too long and I wish there was someone I could contact about it. I know that Mama Kitty could need that again at some point in the future and it frustrates me to think it might not be available. Please give Dharma a hug from me - hope she is doing better. elizabeth Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Way OT: Flooding here in WA!
Oh my! Hope all of you and yours are safe. Some serious rain on the way here in the deep south too but hoping it is nothing like what you guys have. Mama Kitty says she is staying inside and that's all there is about that. elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 11:28:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, Just wanted to let you know the town I live by is flooding. I've been watching all the news local and nation wide they are showing my town. I can't get out or in where I'm at...which is fine with me. My home is fine we are high enough and hope nothing happens. The town is Sultan, WA. My husband had to stay at a co-worker's home tonight because he couldn't get home. My daughter and granddaughter were stranded for a bit on the road that goes through Sultan. They barely made it home before they shut the highway down. So I was sitting on pins and needles waiting for their return home. "Belinda are you okay where your at?" I know your over in Sumner. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: Opossums a vector for FeVL?
Kelly - I can see the reasoning behind that. I still love my possum babies though. Ok - one possum story. (OT and way too much information)...but, I sent a picture of my possum on the porch to my aunt. (see...I've been a HORRIBLE hermit now for years on end and lately I'm trying to develop people skills...not so easy if you don't speak felinese...) Well...my aunt forwarded the picture and my comments to my cousin (whom I haven't seen in years). Well..in I.E. -- if you send an email with an attachment, if the recipient drills down to the original email that has an attachment and replies to that one -- then they are replying to the originator and not the one who forwarded that to them. That's just what my cousin did...thought she was emailing her mother but emailed me "She is TOO WIERD!!!". (she was SO embarrassed when I replied and tried to lie her way out of it like I am a complete idiot or something) Me - I figure, she doesn't even KNOW me (even if she is my cousin) - so I don't take it personally. Instead though...being the bad girl that I am...I went to www.otterbaygifts.com and got a little possum finger puppet :0) it's precious. I'm going to give it to her for Christmas ;-) your weird friend, elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 9:23:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 07:17 PM 11/6/2006, you wrote:they lied,,the have the brain the size of a small walnut...Cute but not bright, remember intelligence is base of brain size compared to body weight, a brain as small as a rats and the body the size of a cat,,,But they are cuteKelly Kelly - I'm glad I'm not the only sucker out there ;-) The Opossum Society told me that their intelligence rates higher than dogs -- it's up there with pigs. Of course, they don't have very good street smarts. The NOP has a bumper sticker out there with a darling possum drawing that says 'Give 'em a brake - www.opossum.org. (stuck it on one of the boss' door -- he HATES them :0) (I have a lot of work stories) You have to mind the teeth though -- they have 50 sharp ones and you don't want to stress them to the point they feel inclined to use them. Treat an opossum bite as seriously as you would a cat bit. In my experience though - they've been very friendly. The mama possum (Pauline) brings her babies to dine (Pierre and Pinkerton). The lady I talked to gives her possums baths and gives them vaccines. I'm not ready to do something like that -- I have my hands full with kitties. A lot of people don't know this -- but when they finish their banana (or dinner) -- they wash their faces with their little paws just like kitties do. They are such dear creatures - and totally innocuous. They love overly ripe fruits and veggies. Nature's little sanitation engineers. One winter -- when Mama Kitty was still staying outsideI opened the door and frightened one of the possums. He jumped right into the kitty bed with Mama Kitty. She didn't mind in the slightest - they were sweet to each other. Vet tech told me today they would tear each other up -- but I think that because of the environment - they understood the circumstance and didn't feel a need for violence. I didn't tell her otherwise though. It's all about caring for each other here :0) elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 8:59:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 06:44 PM 11/6/2006, you wrote: I feed my possums on the front porch also, They called me from my husbands work when they found a cute little baby oppossum in the coke machine, they were all afraid of this cure little thing. One day when my Siamese Sammy was a feral I thought it was him in the the front porch til I got a closer look. As marsupials they have a lower body temp so rabies is not a worry, They are so harmless and keep neighborhoods clean, KellyNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.29/520 - Release Date: 11/6/2006 If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: Opossums a vector for FeVL?
Del, I'm so sorry that happened to your Gigi Sue. Thank you for telling us about that. It is entirely possible. I will have to look up information on Sarcocystis Neurona. elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 9:09:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Haven't heard of opossums being a vector for FeLV ... they are hosts for Sarcocystis Neurona (sp) ... and however unlikely, my Gigi Sue picked it up. She was one years old when I trapped her in my back yard where she shared area and food dishes with the opossums. Three years later a stressful situation brought out the disease that had been dormant ... lost her to brain abscesses brought on by the disease. Totally unlikely, but happened to her. Don't worry about your opossums giving it to your cats ... Gigi Sue's case was highly unlikely but we could not find any other possibility of contagion. Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: Opossums a vector for FeVL? People tease me about my "pet possums"...they like to climb one of the big climbing roses, hang out on the front porch and eat cat food. I give them bananas and cheese and they are so tame that I can pet them. I have three generations - including this years babies. (I've probably told the story of contacting the National Opossum Society to make sure they weren't sick or something...sent pics...talked over an hour...etc). I regularly email one of my vet tech's - and I sent her a picture of one of the possums. She totally grossed out LOL They are really very sweet creatures though - truly. The vet tech has 12 horses though and is very 'anti-possum'. She's a first rate vet-tech though and I very much value her skill and opinion. Today she told me - "you DO know don't you that possums are a vector for leukemia?". No - I did not know that...and as much as I respect and admire her...I'm not sure I believe it. Anyone else heard of such a thing? It just doesn't make sense to me...isn't this strictly a feline disease? She said they were a major vector for rabies too - and while that may be true..the people at the National Opossum society would beg to differ with her. I totally don't know -- but thankfully, ignorance is curable. I do like this vet tech though...she overheard my conversation with the receptionist this morning when I called about Antonio. The receptionist said it was "probably nothing"...but this vet tech said, "If Miss Trent says there's something wrong with one of her cats --- then there is something wrong with one of her cats". That made me feel good. She said I was very intuitive about my babies but I'm not so sure because if I were then I would have gotten Antonio to the vet sooner. elizabeth If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: Opossums a vector for FeVL?
Kelly - I'm glad I'm not the only sucker out there ;-) The Opossum Society told me that their intelligence rates higher than dogs -- it's up there with pigs. Of course, they don't have very good street smarts. The NOP has a bumper sticker out there with a darling possum drawing that says 'Give 'em a brake - www.opossum.org. (stuck it on one of the boss' door -- he HATES them :0) (I have a lot of work stories) You have to mind the teeth though -- they have 50 sharp ones and you don't want to stress them to the point they feel inclined to use them. Treat an opossum bite as seriously as you would a cat bit. In my experience though - they've been very friendly. The mama possum (Pauline) brings her babies to dine (Pierre and Pinkerton). The lady I talked to gives her possums baths and gives them vaccines. I'm not ready to do something like that -- I have my hands full with kitties. A lot of people don't know this -- but when they finish their banana (or dinner) -- they wash their faces with their little paws just like kitties do. They are such dear creatures - and totally innocuous. They love overly ripe fruits and veggies. Nature's little sanitation engineers. One winter -- when Mama Kitty was still staying outsideI opened the door and frightened one of the possums. He jumped right into the kitty bed with Mama Kitty. She didn't mind in the slightest - they were sweet to each other. Vet tech told me today they would tear each other up -- but I think that because of the environment - they understood the circumstance and didn't feel a need for violence. I didn't tell her otherwise though. It's all about caring for each other here :0) elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 8:59:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 06:44 PM 11/6/2006, you wrote:I feed my possums on the front porch also, They called me from my husbands work when they found a cute little baby oppossum in the coke machine, they were all afraid of this cure little thing. One day when my Siamese Sammy was a feral I thought it was him in the the front porch til I got a closer look.As marsupials they have a lower body temp so rabies is not a worry, They are so harmless and keep neighborhoods clean,Kelly
Opossums a vector for FeVL?
People tease me about my "pet possums"...they like to climb one of the big climbing roses, hang out on the front porch and eat cat food. I give them bananas and cheese and they are so tame that I can pet them. I have three generations - including this years babies. (I've probably told the story of contacting the National Opossum Society to make sure they weren't sick or something...sent pics...talked over an hour...etc). I regularly email one of my vet tech's - and I sent her a picture of one of the possums. She totally grossed out LOL They are really very sweet creatures though - truly. The vet tech has 12 horses though and is very 'anti-possum'. She's a first rate vet-tech though and I very much value her skill and opinion. Today she told me - "you DO know don't you that possums are a vector for leukemia?". No - I did not know that...and as much as I respect and admire her...I'm not sure I believe it. Anyone else heard of such a thing? It just doesn't make sense to me...isn't this strictly a feline disease? She said they were a major vector for rabies too - and while that may be true..the people at the National Opossum society would beg to differ with her. I totally don't know -- but thankfully, ignorance is curable. I do like this vet tech though...she overheard my conversation with the receptionist this morning when I called about Antonio. The receptionist said it was "probably nothing"...but this vet tech said, "If Miss Trent says there's something wrong with one of her cats --- then there is something wrong with one of her cats". That made me feel good. She said I was very intuitive about my babies but I'm not so sure because if I were then I would have gotten Antonio to the vet sooner. elizabeth
Re: [siameserescue] Looking for FeLV+ Companion Kitty
LOL! What a good boy :0) Give Will Feral a head butt from me. elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 7:00:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shoot, I'm in Macomb Township! If I had received this post back in August, I might have been able to help them out. That is when I found out that my Will Feral is positive. He has no manners, throws himself at my dinner plate, tucks his fur mice under my body at 3:00 in the morning and fishes them out with his claws, and breaks knick-knacks just for fun. He also loves me desperately and head-butts so hard we crack skulls together. He is just the life of this whole party here! I can't imagine ever giving him up now, or separating him from his siblings. I'll ask my vet if she knows of anyone else around here in need of a home... Good luck, Beth
Re: ot: Antonio
Phaewryn, this makes perfect sense to me. elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 5:49:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's a very valid theory out there that early neutering of males makes them more prone to urinary blockages, because the urethra growth is kicked into over drive by the hormones of becoming an adult. When you neuter BEFORE the cat reaches adulthood, the urethra never reaches it's adult size, and therefore makes the cat more apt to block due to the size being smaller. Humm, lemme find that website.. it really makes perfect sense, they KNOW that neutered males are more prone, but no-one knows why... this makes it all make sense. When I read it, it was like a light bulb came on over my head, like DUH! Of course that's why! It's from some natural care website, which I usually don't even bother reading because I think some of them are kooky, but this one gives a very convincing logical explanation. http://holisticvetpetcare.com/felines.htm That's the one I read it on. Of course, all the humane people are denying it could be true, but it really does make a lot of sense. Make your own judgment... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: Re: ot: Antonio Kelly - the vet did check him carefully for that. Also, Antonio had a wee accident in the car on the way, bless his heart. Evenso, I will be taking the lid off of his litter box to verify that he isn't having a problem. He said that the diet I have him on is good for him and wouldn't contribute to that problem (although it can still happen in neutered males). They told me that Meow Mix is the absolute worst for causing urinary blockages. The call it the evil X's and O's. Friskies comes in second. elizabeth If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: ot: Antonio
No - and I probably should have insisted. I did ask about it though and the vet thought this fast acting steroid would reduce the inflammation enough that it wouldn't be painful for him. He isn't showing any signs of pain - but then again, he's not visiting the kitty powder room at the moment either. He seems to be feeling altogether better - he's on garage safari at the moment. It is a ruthless procedure. elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 5:22:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh good! I'm so glad it was just an anal sack infection. Those usually clear up, and rarely require removal surgery. Did they give him an pain meds? I know when Tang came home from his "dig out" after his impaction, he was in a lot of pain from them (and this is the vet techs exact phrase) "sodomizing him so ruthlessly". Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: ot: Antonio When I went home to take Antonio to the vet's...he went in the laundry room - turned his back end toward me, squatted over the dust pan (something he would NEVER do)...and assumed 'the position' for a few minuteshe was telling mama something is wrong. He looked like he was trying to go potty but nothing was going on. We just got back from the vet's. That poor sweet boy had some very infected anal sacs. I feel bad because I didn't know sooner. They expressed them and gave him a steroid shot and an antibiotic shot. Antonio was such a trooper. He loves everybody. He's not at all afraid to ride in the car. After the vet did what must have been a very painful procedure - Antonio gave the vet head butts. He loved on the vet tech too. He's just the sweetest big ol' boy. He's taking Clavamox. We go back Monday for a check-up. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: ot: Antonio
Kelly - the vet did check him carefully for that. Also, Antonio had a wee accident in the car on the way, bless his heart. Evenso, I will be taking the lid off of his litter box to verify that he isn't having a problem. He said that the diet I have him on is good for him and wouldn't contribute to that problem (although it can still happen in neutered males). They told me that Meow Mix is the absolute worst for causing urinary blockages. The call it the evil X's and O's. Friskies comes in second. elizabeth In a message dated 11/6/2006 4:56:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 02:43 PM 11/6/2006, you wrote:I hope it is not urinary retention,,That is much more urgent, I go to the ER vets if I have a boy cat that cannot pee,,Kelly Apart from how she found out Antonio needed anal sacks expressed, how do you know if your cat needs this done? Just curious.Leslie =^..^= On 11/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When I went home to take Antonio to the vet's...he went in the laundry room - turned his back end toward me, squatted over the dust pan (something he would NEVER do)...and assumed 'the position' for a few minuteshe was telling mama something is wrong. He looked like he was trying to go potty but nothing was going on. We just got back from the vet's. That poor sweet boy had some very infected anal sacs. I feel bad because I didn't know sooner. They expressed them and gave him a steroid shot and an antibiotic shot. Antonio was such a trooper. He loves everybody. He's not at all afraid to ride in the car. After the vet did what must have been a very painful procedure - Antonio gave the vet head butts. He loved on the vet tech too. He's just the sweetest big ol' boy. He's taking Clavamox. We go back Monday for a check-up.-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.29/520 - Release Date: 11/6/2006 If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
