subject:"Re\: New Member"

We start dying the minute we are born.  I learned this very hard  
lesson from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie re-enforces it.   
Maybe it is your turn to learn.  Cats are wonderful teachers.

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Lynne wrote:

Thanl you Marylyn.  I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here.   
So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do  
need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living  
part.  At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not  
having him around.  I know this will not have a happy ending but I  
will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable.   
We both just love him to pieces.

- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

It is so hard.  I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie.  If  
you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly,  
please feel free.  Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief  
and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have  
all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him.   
The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you  
all.

On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote:

The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his  
cytology report back Marylyn.  His primary care giver was the one  
who told my husband it would do him no good now.  We aren't giving  
up on anything where this boy is concerned.  This has just been a  
bad day for me.  They took fluid from both sides of his chest today  
and he's lost a pound in less than a week.  That may have been the  
fluid.  He looks kind of pitiful  with big chunks of his hair  
shaved away on both sides.  I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to  
see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time.  I still don't  
think I have accepted this.  Tomorrow will be another day,  
however.  We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a  
book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way.   
Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of  
the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable.  The  
cat must think we're nuts.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

Lynne,

Please check with another vet re the interferon.  Vets have very  
different ideas on how and when to use it.  Second opinions don't  
hurt anything.

On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote:

El, I am too new to this to give advice  but I am sure you will be  
receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on  
this group.  It sounds to me that you are doing every thing  
possible for these animals that can benefit them.  The fact that  
your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign.  Maybe  
the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a  
temporary thing?  I can't imagine what more you can do for her.   
She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of  
course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others.   
You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon.  It could be  
useful.  Apparently it has shown some favorable results.  If I had  
that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my  
boy according to the vet.  Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire  
you for what you have done for these animals.  I'm sure others  
will come forward as soon as they see your email.


Best of luck
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: whocares whocares
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Hi,
This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this  
through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know.  
2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill  
cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated,  
dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe  
diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the  
first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some  
still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are  
improving.
One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had  
to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all  
except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of  
her mouth they were so infected).
She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her  
other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up  
to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However,  
she has terrible diahrea. She is on

Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

2008-02-24 Thread Lynne

Thanl you Marylyn.  I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here.  So many of 
you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self 
a reality check and just get on with the living part.  At this very point in 
time I simply cannot envision not having him around.  I know this will not have 
a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and 
enjoyable.  We both just love him to pieces.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM
  Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

  It is so hard.  I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie.  If you need 
to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free.  
Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very 
understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the 
wonderful time you have with him.  The time may be long or short but it is a 
very special time for you all. 

  On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote:

The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology 
report back Marylyn.  His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it 
would do him no good now.  We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is 
concerned.  This has just been a bad day for me.  They took fluid from both 
sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week.  That may 
have been the fluid.  He looks kind of pitiful  with big chunks of his hair 
shaved away on both sides.  I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but 
I'm near tears the rest of the time.  I still don't think I have accepted this. 
 Tomorrow will be another day, however.  We did raise his dish today, actually 
just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that 
way.  Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the 
ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable.  The cat must think 
we're nuts.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Marylyn
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM
  Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

  Lynne,

  Please check with another vet re the interferon.  Vets have very 
different ideas on how and when to use it.  Second opinions don't hurt 
anything. 

  On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote:

El, I am too new to this to give advice  but I am sure you will be 
receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group.  It 
sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can 
benefit them.  The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an 
encouraging sign.  Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and 
it is a temporary thing?  I can't imagine what more you can do for her.  She 
obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is 
necessary to keep yours isolated from the others.  You'll need to ask your vet 
about the interferon.  It could be useful.  Apparently it has shown some 
favorable results.  If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's 
too late for my boy according to the vet.  Sorry I can't be of help, I so 
admire you for what you have done for these animals.  I'm sure others will come 
forward as soon as they see your email.

Best of luck
Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: whocares whocares
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM
  Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Hi,
  This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this 
through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago 
I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific 
shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear 
mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it 
through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some 
still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.
  One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to 
be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth 
removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so 
infected).
  She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her 
other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? 
She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She 
is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and 
injectable B complex. I have her

Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

It is so hard.  I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie.  If  
you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly,  
please feel free.  Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and  
all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all  
felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him.  The time  
may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all.

On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote:

The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his  
cytology report back Marylyn.  His primary care giver was the one  
who told my husband it would do him no good now.  We aren't giving  
up on anything where this boy is concerned.  This has just been a  
bad day for me.  They took fluid from both sides of his chest today  
and he's lost a pound in less than a week.  That may have been the  
fluid.  He looks kind of pitiful  with big chunks of his hair shaved  
away on both sides.  I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him  
but I'm near tears the rest of the time.  I still don't think I have  
accepted this.  Tomorrow will be another day, however.  We did raise  
his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems  
more comfortable for him to eat that way.  Bob and I do manage to  
get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we  
come up with to make him comfortable.  The cat must think we're nuts.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

Lynne,

Please check with another vet re the interferon.  Vets have very  
different ideas on how and when to use it.  Second opinions don't  
hurt anything.

On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote:

El, I am too new to this to give advice  but I am sure you will be  
receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this  
group.  It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for  
these animals that can benefit them.  The fact that your girl is  
around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign.  Maybe the  
antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary  
thing?  I can't imagine what more you can do for her.  She  
obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of  
course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others.   
You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon.  It could be  
useful.  Apparently it has shown some favorable results.  If I had  
that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my  
boy according to the vet.  Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire  
you for what you have done for these animals.  I'm sure others will  
come forward as soon as they see your email.


Best of luck
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: whocares whocares
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Hi,
This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this  
through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know.  
2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill  
cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated,  
dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe  
diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first  
night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still  
need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.
One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had  
to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all  
except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of  
her mouth they were so infected).
She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her  
other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up  
to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she  
has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo  
and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her  
on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have  
Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her?  
She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend  
Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very  
large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a  
bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet  
cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting  
results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of  
these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone.  
My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and  
don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM,  
vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine.

Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.
Thanks
El

Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

2008-02-24 Thread Lynne

The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology 
report back Marylyn.  His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it 
would do him no good now.  We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is 
concerned.  This has just been a bad day for me.  They took fluid from both 
sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week.  That may 
have been the fluid.  He looks kind of pitiful  with big chunks of his hair 
shaved away on both sides.  I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but 
I'm near tears the rest of the time.  I still don't think I have accepted this. 
 Tomorrow will be another day however.  We did raise his dish today, actually 
just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that 
way.  Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the 
ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable.  The cat must think 
we're nuts.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM
  Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli


  Lynne,


  Please check with another vet re the interferon.  Vets have very different 
ideas on how and when to use it.  Second opinions don't hurt anything. 

  On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote:


El, I am too new to this to give advice  but I am sure you will be 
receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group.  It 
sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can 
benefit them.  The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an 
encouraging sign.  Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and 
it is a temporary thing?  I can't imagine what more you can do for her.  She 
obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is 
necessary to keep yours isolated from the others.  You'll need to ask your vet 
about the interferon.  It could be useful.  Apparently it has shown some 
favorable results.  If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's 
too late for my boy according to the vet.  Sorry I can't be of help, I so 
admire you for what you have done for these animals.  I'm sure others will come 
forward as soon as they see your email.

Best of luck
Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: whocares whocares
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM
  Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Hi,
  This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through 
email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took 
in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in 
the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear 
mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it 
through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some 
still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.
  One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be 
dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed 
(her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected).
  She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other 
levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She 
has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is 
on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and 
injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body 
Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? 
She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else 
can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very 
happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the 
beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested 
(awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of 
these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats 
and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due 
to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no 
contact with mine.
  Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.
  Thanks
  El




--

Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli


Lynne,

Please check with another vet re the interferon.  Vets have very  
different ideas on how and when to use it.  Second opinions don't hurt  
anything.

On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote:

El, I am too new to this to give advice  but I am sure you will be  
receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this  
group.  It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for  
these animals that can benefit them.  The fact that your girl is  
around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign.  Maybe the  
antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary  
thing?  I can't imagine what more you can do for her.  She obviously  
seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is  
necessary to keep yours isolated from the others.  You'll need to  
ask your vet about the interferon.  It could be useful.  Apparently  
it has shown some favorable results.  If I had that option now I  
would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to  
the vet.  Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you  
have done for these animals.  I'm sure others will come forward as  
soon as they see your email.


Best of luck
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: whocares whocares
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Hi,
This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this  
through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2  
weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats  
from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated,  
infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My  
vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here  
they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable  
antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.
One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to  
be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4  
teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth  
they were so infected).
She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her  
other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to  
8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has  
terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and  
also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on  
probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have  
Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her?  
She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon?  
What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm  
bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has  
gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now.  
Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other  
4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are  
isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other  
permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due  
to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new  
ones have no contact with mine.

Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.
Thanks
El

Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

2008-02-24 Thread Lance


Hi El,

Thank you for taking in those severely neglected cats. I cannot  
believe (though that's a figure of speech) that the FeLV+ girl was in  
such horrible shape, coming from a "shelter." You have given all of  
them a new lease on life. I'm always grateful that there are people  
like you out there, and you'll find like-minded souls here.


There is support on the list for colostrum and a similar product  
called Transfer Factor. I'm currently using neither on my FeLV+ girl,  
but you will probably get responses from people using one or the  
other. If you're using a specific brand, see if they have a web site  
with information on dose strength. Or, you might call and consult with  
a holistic or homeopathic vet in your area. They usually have good  
ideas about these types of supplements.


Interferon? Yes! Interferon alpha is very affordable, and most vets  
should have the ability to get it for you. My cat is on a 5 days on/5  
days off regimen. I also highly recommend Vetri-Science's Liquid DMG  
product. One bottle costs in the $30-35 range and lasts my cat for  
three months, easily. She is asymptomatic, and it's possible that the  
DMG and interferon are helping her to stay that way.


FInally, I think giving these cats lots of love, play-time and a  
stress-free environment goes a long way toward helping them have fewer  
or no symptoms.


Best,

Lance




On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote:


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Hi,
This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this  
through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2  
weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats  
from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated,  
infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My  
vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here  
they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable  
antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.
One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to  
be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4  
teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth  
they were so infected).
She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her  
other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to  
8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has  
terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and  
also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on  
probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have  
Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her?  
She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon?  
What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm  
bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has  
gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now.  
Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other  
4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are  
isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other  
permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due  
to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new  
ones have no contact with mine.

Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.
Thanks
El

Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

2008-02-24 Thread Lynne

El, I am too new to this to give advice  but I am sure you will be receiving 
many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group.  It sounds to 
me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit 
them.  The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging 
sign.  Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a 
temporary thing?  I can't imagine what more you can do for her.  She obviously 
seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to 
keep yours isolated from the others.  You'll need to ask your vet about the 
interferon.  It could be useful.  Apparently it has shown some favorable 
results.  If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late 
for my boy according to the vet.  Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for 
what you have done for these animals.  I'm sure others will come forward as 
soon as they see your email.

Best of luck
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: whocares whocares 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM
  Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli


To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Hi,
  This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. 
If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 
filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the 
area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear 
mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it 
through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some 
still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.
  One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt 
quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her 
canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected).
  She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels 
correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a 
severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a 
daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B 
complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I 
have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny 
and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give 
her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and 
very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to 
sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) 
and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are 
isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent 
fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune 
diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with 
mine.
  Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.
  Thanks
  El




--

Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

Blessings to you for caring for the little ones.  Others on the list  
can give you better advise than I but I am going to put my two cents  
in.  I try to give colostrum to any stressed cat that I feed..my  
Mom has several ferals/throw-aways/strays who come regularly for  
food.  I add brewer's yeast and whatever supplements I can to the wet  
food they get.  Dixie, my FeLV+ cat who is extremely healthy and happy  
and has been for the three years she has graced me with her presence,  
gets interferon to help with her teeth.  None of us (her regular vets  
or her holistic vets) know whether the FeLV or miserable diet as a  
throw-away caused the problems but the interferon + PetzLife Brush  
Away + a very high quality, no grain diet with lots of veggies (finely  
chopped or baby food) have that problem under control.  Probiotics are  
great.  The cats are stressed and I use Feliway spray and Cat Nap to  
calm cats when I need to.  Most of Mom's can't be touched, much less  
handled.  Occasionally I have to live trap them and Feliway seems to  
help as does Rescue Remedy,  Cat Nap is new to my tool box but I have  
seen it work with Dixie and other cats.  Provide them with places to  
hide and feel safe.  Spraying the bedding and yourself will help.  The  
other cats in the house may benefit from RR in their water.  The  
addition of the lovely little ones has to be stressful for them too.   
They really know much more than we give them credit for.


Personally, I would check with a holistic vet as a companion, not  
replacement, for regular vet care.  When my very wonderful regular  
vets told me Dixie tested positive and
after we decided what to do with her (long story but she could not be  
released as planned because of the FeLV) I took her to see a holistic  
vet.  Again, as a companion, not a substitute.



On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote:


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Hi,
This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this  
through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2  
weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats  
from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated,  
infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My  
vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here  
they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable  
antibiotic combos daily but they are improving.
One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to  
be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4  
teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth  
they were so infected).
She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her  
other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to  
8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has  
terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and  
also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on  
probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have  
Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her?  
She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon?  
What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm  
bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has  
gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now.  
Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other  
4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are  
isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other  
permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due  
to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new  
ones have no contact with mine.

Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.
Thanks
El

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That's awesome news! It probably was brought in with Jadon or Bruschi, or
maybe both had it. Did they come from the same place by chance?

Phaewryn

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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-10 Thread Deb Stockbridge

Well I have good news for once.My female Takara who just had her 5 kittens 
is NEGATIVE.WHAT A RELIEF  I just wanted to 
thank Phaewryn,Mary Christine, Nina , Kelley and everyone else who has been 
guiding me through this nightmare.  I'm looking at things in a whole different 
way because of your advice , comments, opinions and experiences and I think I'm 
out of panic mode finally!  >From now on I will vaccinate all my cats to help 
prevent this from happening again , even though I'm now convinced the 2 newer 
cats came here with it and I'm still hoping my oldest Bengal tests negative 
when I retest him.  He had tested negative before and could just be going 
through fighting it now so I have 3 more weeks to wait and will retest him and 
see where he is at.  I have a wonderful home for Bruschi and that leaves me 
with my Calico girl who is still battling her URI and needs to gain some weight 
but Phaewryn is giving me some good advice and hopefully I get her back on 
track real soon:)

THANK YOU ALL...you're a wonderful group here and have helped me through this 
tremendously!

Deb
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:38 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing


  halleluia, sister!

  (yeah, i'll go to bed now.)


  On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Every "what if" I have experienced in the past brought me to a new 
awareness in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from 
them. "What if" I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki that 
night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him? Would I 
have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was a hard 
lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT, now, when I 
think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY, I never wait 
to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because I learned that 
sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. "What if" I had just not let him go outside? 
Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT, now I keep my cats 
indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from that "what if" as 
well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a death sentence? 
Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a cat cart? I miss him, 
but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and I've used the lesson I 
learned from his life to help countless injured pets since by telling THEIR 
owners "don't listen to your vet, there ARE options!" I have Bones to show for 
it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be sent not one, but TWO cats with 
broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong, but the second one... well, she 
couldn't be any happier than she is today! I swear to you all, I am SURE that I 
have been sent these "second chances" just to redeem myself and forgive my past 
mistakes! I could list a long list of all the "what if's" I've experienced in 
my years with cats, all my regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains 
the same, no matter HOW HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I 
relive it, and no matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT 
means that none of their lives were in vain. 


Phaewryn

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  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

  MaryChristine

  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ICQ: 289856892

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-09 Thread MaryChristine


halleluia, sister!

(yeah, i'll go to bed now.)

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Every "what if" I have experienced in the past brought me to a new
awareness in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from
them. "What if" I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki
that night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him?
Would I have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was
a hard lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT,
now, when I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY,
I never wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because
I learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. "What if" I had just not let
him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT,
now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from
that "what if" as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a
death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a
cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and
I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets
since by telling THEIR owners "don't listen to your vet, there ARE options!"
I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be
sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong,
but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I
swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these "second chances"
just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list
of all the "what if's" I've experienced in my years with cats, all my
regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW
HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no
matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that
none of their lives were in vain.


Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources

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--

Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Every "what if" I have experienced in the past brought me to a new awareness
in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from them.
"What if" I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki that
night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him? Would I
have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was a hard
lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT, now, when
I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY, I never
wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because I
learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. "What if" I had just not let
him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT,
now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from
that "what if" as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a
death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a
cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and
I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets
since by telling THEIR owners "don't listen to your vet, there ARE options!"
I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be
sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong,
but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I
swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these "second chances"
just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list
of all the "what if's" I've experienced in my years with cats, all my
regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW
HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no
matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that
none of their lives were in vain.


Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources

http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303
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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-09 Thread Kelley Saveika


My vet puts it much less eloquently.  I go in there at least once a
week all upset saying "I'm doing X, Y and Z.  I don't know what to
do."  He always says "It's a virus. There's nothing you CAN do."
(which is not entirely correct, there are supportive things and immune
boosting things, etc - but he means - you can't CURE it.).

If you can let go of needing to control (and if you figure out how to
do that..well, I am still learning.. but when I can do it I find I do
MUCH better).

On 5/9/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Deb,
You are afraid of mixing because the danger is real.  Your household is
indicative of that.  We might never know how it is that you have 3
previously believed neg cats testing pos.  Was the disease dormant in their
systems before they came to you, are they in the process of clearing the
virus, did one carrier give it to the others?  My one piece of advice for
you is to keep them separated until you have come to terms with what mixing
them might mean.  Imho, I don't think you are going to spare any of the negs
from the possibility of whatever fate has in store, they've already had too
much contact together for that.  One of the hardest things we have to learn
in being the guardian of special needs animals is that no matter how
desperately we want to control the outcome, no matter how diligently we arm
ourselves with information and advice, it is ultimately not in our power to
keep them safe from illness.  All we can do is our best to insure that the
time they do have to share with us is filled with as much joy, safety and
love that we can offer.  Early on I made the decision that I would opt for
quality of life rather than quantity.  Each and every one of us must make
these types of decisions on our own.  It's a very personal judgement call
that only you can make.  We must weigh the potential consequences and be
ready to live with whatever the results turn out to be.  There are no
guarantees with felv or with life.  Why do you think so many otherwise
caring people still advocate pts?  It's the only sure solution to save you
from dealing with the possible ramifications of living with felv.  No life,
no felv.

Dealing with the "what ifs" after the fact is always punishing, (what if I'd
kept them separate, what if I'd sought out treatment sooner, what if I'd
done this or that differently).  Researching my alternatives, knowing I did
the best I could with what I knew at the time, following my intuition and
heart, are my talismans against the bitterness of "what if".
Nina

Deb Stockbridge wrote:
Hi Nina,

I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives
and positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  What I need to
know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough
that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there?
My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I
might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for
but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went
away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get
her completely healthy and a little more weight on her.  My boys seems
healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing
persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to
mix them with my negative boys?  My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and
while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad
coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can she still be with my
negative boys while I treat her.  You said I should've seen her face when I
had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was
crying my eyes out myself:(  She was not put by herself thank god ,
otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her!  She was put
back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't
too distraughtI sure know I was though!!  I know my kits have all been
exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the
do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again.  I think I'm so scared
because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and
showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years.  I then
brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I
never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested.
Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my
oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were
never tested.  None are related.  I was told this is a rare situation and if
FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected?  So I
either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and
the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I
brought in came here with it and spread it to my adu

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-09 Thread Nina


Deb,
You are afraid of mixing because the danger is real.  Your household is 
indicative of that.  We might never know how it is that you have 3 
previously believed neg cats testing pos.  Was the disease dormant in 
their systems before they came to you, are they in the process of 
clearing the virus, did one carrier give it to the others?  My one piece 
of advice for you is to keep them separated until you have come to terms 
with what mixing them might mean.  Imho, I don't think you are going to 
spare any of the negs from the possibility of whatever fate has in 
store, they've already had too much contact together for that.  One of 
the hardest things we have to learn in being the guardian of special 
needs animals is that no matter how desperately we want to control the 
outcome, no matter how diligently we arm ourselves with information and 
advice, it is ultimately not in our power to keep them safe from 
illness.  All we can do is our best to insure that the time they do have 
to share with us is filled with as much joy, safety and love that we can 
offer.  Early on I made the decision that I would opt for quality of 
life rather than quantity.  Each and every one of us must make these 
types of decisions on our own.  It's a very personal judgement call that 
only you can make.  We must weigh the potential consequences and be 
ready to live with whatever the results turn out to be.  There are no 
guarantees with felv or with life.  Why do you think so many otherwise 
caring people still advocate pts?  It's the only sure solution to save 
you from dealing with the possible ramifications of living with felv.  
No life, no felv. 

Dealing with the "what ifs" after the fact is always punishing, (what if 
I'd kept them separate, what if I'd sought out treatment sooner, what if 
I'd done this or that differently).  Researching my alternatives, 
knowing I did the best I could with what I knew at the time, following 
my intuition and heart, are my talismans against the bitterness of "what 
if".

Nina

Deb Stockbridge wrote:

Hi Nina,
 
I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix 
negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  
What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still 
has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or 
if one sneezes here or there?  My situation as it is now is that I 
have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my 
calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with 
symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't 
let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely 
healthy and a little more weight on her.  My boys seems healthy but 
may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent 
or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix 
them with my negative boys?  My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and 
while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had 
that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can she 
still be with my negative boys while I treat her.  You said I 
should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely 
could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:(  She was 
not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping 
bag and slept with her!  She was put back with her two feline brothers 
who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure 
know I was though!!  I know my kits have all been exposed and I have 
now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and 
don'ts of mixing them all together again.  I think I'm so scared 
because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV 
and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years.  I 
then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative 
and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that 
were tested.  Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ 
cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and 
then the two that were never tested.  None are related.  I was told 
this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then 
why are 3 of mine infected?  So I either have really bad luck and more 
than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that 
were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with 
it and spread it to my adult cat.  I will never know, but after having 
been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with 
still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like 
wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back 
together.  The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was 
after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my 
other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to 
s

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-09 Thread Susan Loesch

Hey, Deb - I also mix my negatives and positives -- and don't isolate anyone 
who is coughing, etc.  I figure that everyone has been exposed anyhow and it is 
probably viral -- and strict isolation isn't possible at my house.  I've never 
been sorry that I've done it this way.

Deb Stockbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hi Nina,
   
  I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives 
and positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  What I need to know 
is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that 
just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there?  My 
situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might 
have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after 
seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I 
can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely 
healthy and a little more weight on her.  My boys seems healthy but may sneeze 
here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis 
so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys?  My 
Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for 
about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell
 she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can she still be with my negative boys while 
I treat her.  You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine 
her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out 
myself:(  She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a 
sleeping bag and slept with her!  She was put back with her two feline brothers 
who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was 
though!!  I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the 
negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all 
together again.  I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy 
cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and 
happily for over 2 years.  I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which 
one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from 
parents that were tested.  Then all of the sudden one gets sick
 and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative 
previously and then the two that were never tested.  None are related.  I was 
told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why 
are 3 of mine infected?  So I either have really bad luck and more than one 
brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant 
nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult 
cat.  I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting 
this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think 
this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them 
all back together.  The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was 
after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits 
didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see her and she just 
really followed me around the house all night and
 then fell asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering 
attention on her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much 
contact in that 5 hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but 
I'm still in panic mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I 
do right by all my cats.  For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I 
know will take a move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds 
perfect as he will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate.  This home might take 
both boys but I won't know until she comes to meet them.  So this is where I'm 
at right now and my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to 
change daily on how much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time 
and giving them as much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) 
   
  Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:)
   
  Deb
   
   
   
   
  From: Nina 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing
  

Deb,
I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys.  I'm hoping that 
someone will adopt them together.  Tell those folks to come join us here!

Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already 
have addressed this, but...  I am one of the people that have mixed negs and 
pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated).  I have done this for years 
without any of my negs tu

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-09 Thread Deb Stockbridge

Hi Nina,

I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and 
positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  What I need to know is 
do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just 
won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there?  My situation 
as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes 
for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her 
with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let 
her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a 
little more weight on her.  My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there 
or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just 
wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys?  My Calico girl 
is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours 
,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can 
she still be with my negative boys while I treat her.  You said I should've 
seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face 
because I was crying my eyes out myself:(  She was not put by herself thank god 
, otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her!  She was put 
back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't 
too distraughtI sure know I was though!!  I know my kits have all been 
exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's 
and don'ts of mixing them all together again.  I think I'm so scared because I 
had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed 
negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years.  I then brought in 3 
more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the 
last two thinking they came from parents that were tested.  Then all of the 
sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who 
tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested.  None are 
related.  I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that 
easily then why are 3 of mine infected?  So I either have really bad luck and 
more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were 
negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread 
it to my adult cat.  I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 
6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that 
makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about 
putting them all back together.  The first night we decided to bring up my 
calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes 
and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see 
her and she just really followed me around the house all night and then fell 
asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering attention on 
her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much contact in that 5 
hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but I'm still in panic 
mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I do right by all my 
cats.  For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I know will take a 
move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds perfect as he 
will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate.  This home might take both boys but I 
won't know until she comes to meet them.  So this is where I'm at right now and 
my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to change daily on how 
much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time and giving them as 
much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) 

Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:)

Deb




From: Nina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing


  Deb,
  I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys.  I'm hoping 
that someone will adopt them together.  Tell those folks to come join us here!

  Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may 
already have addressed this, but...  I am one of the people that have mixed 
negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated).  I have done this for 
years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult 
decision it is to make.  In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle 
babies and didn't find out they were pos until they had been mixing freely with 
the rest of the household for months.  It still gave me pause, (because the 
vets and the literature suggested segregating, hell, they suggested euthanizing 
too), but it wo

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

2007-05-08 Thread Nina


Deb,
I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys.  I'm 
hoping that someone will adopt them together.  Tell those folks to come 
join us here!


Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may 
already have addressed this, but...  I am one of the people that have 
mixed negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated).  I have 
done this for years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand 
what a difficult decision it is to make.  In my case, I had brought in a 
litter of felv bottle babies and didn't find out they were pos until 
they had been mixing freely with the rest of the household for months.  
It still gave me pause, (because the vets and the literature suggested 
segregating, hell, they suggested euthanizing too), but it would have 
been hard on everyone concerned to separate them at that point.  One of 
my cats at the time was a born-in-the-wild feral that had had no shots 
at all and had mixed right into the litter as if it were her own.  (She 
tested neg later, boy did I sweat that one).  I took a leap of faith and 
followed my heart and kept everyone together.  I felt fairly safe in 
making this decision, (as far as the guilt/fear factor goes), because 
everyone had already been exposed. Perhaps explaining it in that way 
might make your son more receptive to the idea?   For Heaven's sake, 
you've already re-exposed your neg cats with last night's visiting.  I 
mean no disrespect, but it seems a little like locking the barn door 
after the horse has escaped, (again).


Everyone loved our felv babies.  I don't think there was an animal in 
the house that hadn't spent very intimate time with them.  I recently 
lost a stray-turned-resident with both fiv and felv.  During his last 
weeks I cringed everytime he sneezed felv germs all over the house.  I 
haven't had the others tested since Spencer passed, (I will if anyone 
gets symptoms of illness), but I'm confident that no one has contracted 
felv.


I would never judge anyone's decisions about mixing.  We all understand 
both sides of the argument too well.  I can hear how dedicated you are 
to helping these babies and I thank you for everything you are doing for 
them.  I just wanted to throw my two cents in because I can just picture 
that little girl's face when she was closed off from the family again.  
None of the decisions we are forced to make are easy, and all too few 
results of those decisions are truly in our control.

Blessings to you and your family,
Nina


Deb Stockbridge wrote:
OMG Phaewryn, YOU ARE A GODSEND!!   You posted my boys last night and 
already I have a home for Bruschi and possibly one for Jadon as well!  
Someone very close by me saw them on Petfinder and fell in love with 
both but thinks Bruschi will be the perfect match for her FELV+ female 
7 month old kitten so that's who she chose and she might know of a 
friend who can also take Jadon.  I'm meeting with her on Friday and 
will know then if both boys have a new home.  I'm just crying over 
having to do this so soon as I never expected this quick of a response 
but also crying for the joy of having potential homes where my boys 
can have free roam of their new homes and interact with people like 
they were used to here before I had to keep them confined.  I will let 
you know Friday how things go.keep your fingers crossed all goes 
well for me and my boys!  I just can't thank you enough for your help 
and it has made dealing with all this that much easier to 
handle.one step at a time:) 
 
BTWafter reading a few of the emails from others about how they 
mix their positives and negatives with pretty good luck I tried to do 
this last night after finally talking my Son into letting us try it 
with one at a time.  All was well and boy was our girl happy and 
meowing up a storm for the first couple hours and we were just all so 
happy to have her with us again UNTIL later that night she had a 
coughing spell and it woke me up as well as my Son and my Son started 
crying and asking where our two negative kits were and it freaked him 
out more than I expected and I had to confine her with the two boys 
again:(  I have to admit it scared me as well and I know it would take 
some time to get used to but I think with every sneeze or cough we 
would just think what it could be doing to our healthy cats and I just 
don't think I can put my Son through that again.  I really commend all 
of you who can manage a positive and negative household and if it was 
just me and my husband I think I could eventually get used to the idea 
but just not right now with my Son here with us.  I love ALL my babies 
and it would be ideal to keep them all if I could let them live 
together but for now it's best I find homes for these special 
kits. You are all just wonderful people helping these animals with 
health issues and though I can't foster them in my own home , if I can 
help in any other way, with transporting o

Re: New Member

2007-05-08 Thread Deb Stockbridge

OMG Phaewryn, YOU ARE A GODSEND!!   You posted my boys last night and already I 
have a home for Bruschi and possibly one for Jadon as well!  Someone very close 
by me saw them on Petfinder and fell in love with both but thinks Bruschi will 
be the perfect match for her FELV+ female 7 month old kitten so that's who she 
chose and she might know of a friend who can also take Jadon.  I'm meeting with 
her on Friday and will know then if both boys have a new home.  I'm just crying 
over having to do this so soon as I never expected this quick of a response but 
also crying for the joy of having potential homes where my boys can have free 
roam of their new homes and interact with people like they were used to here 
before I had to keep them confined.  I will let you know Friday how things 
go.keep your fingers crossed all goes well for me and my boys!  I just 
can't thank you enough for your help and it has made dealing with all this that 
much easier to handle.one step at a time:)  

BTWafter reading a few of the emails from others about how they mix their 
positives and negatives with pretty good luck I tried to do this last night 
after finally talking my Son into letting us try it with one at a time.  All 
was well and boy was our girl happy and meowing up a storm for the first couple 
hours and we were just all so happy to have her with us again UNTIL later that 
night she had a coughing spell and it woke me up as well as my Son and my Son 
started crying and asking where our two negative kits were and it freaked him 
out more than I expected and I had to confine her with the two boys again:(  I 
have to admit it scared me as well and I know it would take some time to get 
used to but I think with every sneeze or cough we would just think what it 
could be doing to our healthy cats and I just don't think I can put my Son 
through that again.  I really commend all of you who can manage a positive and 
negative household and if it was just me and my husband I think I could 
eventually get used to the idea but just not right now with my Son here with 
us.  I love ALL my babies and it would be ideal to keep them all if I could let 
them live together but for now it's best I find homes for these special kits. 
You are all just wonderful people helping these animals with health issues and 
though I can't foster them in my own home , if I can help in any other way, 
with transporting or any other aspect of rescue please let me know:)  

Take Care,

Deb



- Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:15 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member


  Hi Deb, welcome to the group. I sent you several private emails with your 
cat's webpage, and Petfinder listing.
  In case anyone hasn't seen these beautiful boys:
  http://ucat.us/BCR/JadonBruschi.html 

  Phaewryn

  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
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Re: New Member

2007-05-07 Thread Deb Stockbridge

Yeah lucky me with all my expensive vets out here but I will keep trying to 
look around for places that might give me a break and not give up until I can 
get what they need!

Deb
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member

  that's just for the snap test, tho, kelley--she needs to find a place to send 
out the IFA, too. and she's in a really expensive part of the world! hee 
hee.

  your vet told you that the ones who tested positive will always be positive? 
no one can say that without having some retesting done. while it's always 
POSSIBLE that one of your older cats has had the virus all along, it's more 
likely that one of the newcomers brought it in, and that the older cats are 
just showing positive due to EXPOSURE, and that they'll process the virus out 
of their systems. 

  MC

  On 5/7/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Deb,

For the testing - I would look for a group in your area which has an 
account with IDEXX.  They get the tests very cheaply. 

I can't draw blood because it is a two person job.  My vet draws the blood 
for me and I supply the tests.

On 5/7/07, Deb Stockbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 

  Hi Everyone,

  I just realized that I never introduced myself to this group and was 
referred here by Mary Christine who has been a wealth of info for me.  I've 
posted on so many lists I just can't keep things straight anymore!  Anyway , My 
name is Deb stockbridge and I have a situation where I have 5 companion kits 
and one just became ill 3 weeks ago and was found to be FELV+.  I brought in my 
other 4 of which 3 had tested negative previously when they were neutered ,and 
now two of them are positive.  None of these cats are related and I feel ,with 
what I've learned, that I had to have had more than one cat come into my home 
with FELV and the tests just weren't reliable.  I also have a female I adopted 
from a breeder who was shut down and she just had a litter of 5 kittens and I 
will be testing her this week to find out if her and her kits are FELV+I 
pray they are safe!  My vet advised me to retest only my oldest male Bengal who 
has shown no signs of illness because he may be able to shed the virus.  I was 
told the other two that became ill and I treated will always be positive from 
this point on.  I would like to retest them all but was wondering if anyone 
knew of a low cost vet clinic or shelter/rescue that could help me learn to 
draw blood on my own for testing or would assist me in helping out at a lower 
cost than my vet is charging.  I already owe them a chunk of money for saving 
one of the cats that was very ill and all the testing.  They advised I put her 
down but I wasn't ready to do that and she is doing very well now along with 
the 6 month old I had on antibiotics as well.  This all hit me at once and I 
just don't have the resources to handle this right now.  I don't want to give 
up on my babies but if I can't find help for the retesting and testing of the 
Mom and kittens I'm not sure what I can do.  I would greatly appreciate any 
help including finding these kits homes.  

  Thanks.

  Deb

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Re: New Member

2007-05-07 Thread Deb Stockbridge

That's OK Kellyany help is appreciated and I'm making small steps forward 
here:)

Deb
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member

  Oh, no, sorry, I wasn't thinking of the IFA.  Sorry for the mistake.

  On 5/7/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
that's just for the snap test, tho, kelley--she needs to find a place to 
send out the IFA, too. and she's in a really expensive part of the world! hee 
hee. 

your vet told you that the ones who tested positive will always be 
positive? no one can say that without having some retesting done. while 
it's always POSSIBLE that one of your older cats has had the virus all along, 
it's more likely that one of the newcomers brought it in, and that the older 
cats are just showing positive due to EXPOSURE, and that they'll process the 
virus out of their systems. 

MC 

On 5/7/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  Hi Deb,

  For the testing - I would look for a group in your area which has an 
account with IDEXX.  They get the tests very cheaply. 

  I can't draw blood because it is a two person job.  My vet draws the 
blood for me and I supply the tests.

  On 5/7/07, Deb Stockbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 

Hi Everyone,

I just realized that I never introduced myself to this group and was 
referred here by Mary Christine who has been a wealth of info for me.  I've 
posted on so many lists I just can't keep things straight anymore!  Anyway , My 
name is Deb stockbridge and I have a situation where I have 5 companion kits 
and one just became ill 3 weeks ago and was found to be FELV+.  I brought in my 
other 4 of which 3 had tested negative previously when they were neutered ,and 
now two of them are positive.  None of these cats are related and I feel ,with 
what I've learned, that I had to have had more than one cat come into my home 
with FELV and the tests just weren't reliable.  I also have a female I adopted 
from a breeder who was shut down and she just had a litter of 5 kittens and I 
will be testing her this week to find out if her and her kits are FELV+I 
pray they are safe!  My vet advised me to retest only my oldest male Bengal who 
has shown no signs of illness because he may be able to shed the virus.  I was 
told the other two that became ill and I treated will always be positive from 
this point on.  I would like to retest them all but was wondering if anyone 
knew of a low cost vet clinic or shelter/rescue that could help me learn to 
draw blood on my own for testing or would assist me in helping out at a lower 
cost than my vet is charging.  I already owe them a chunk of money for saving 
one of the cats that was very ill and all the testing.  They advised I put her 
down but I wasn't ready to do that and she is doing very well now along with 
the 6 month old I had on antibiotics as well.  This all hit me at once and I 
just don't have the resources to handle this right now.  I don't want to give 
up on my babies but if I can't find help for the retesting and testing of the 
Mom and kittens I'm not sure what I can do.  I would greatly appreciate any 
help including finding these kits homes.  

Thanks.

Deb

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  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

  Please help Gandalf!

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Re: New Member

2007-05-07 Thread Deb Stockbridge

Hi Phaewrynyou are absolutely wonderful for helping me out and posting 2 of 
my kits.I greatly appreciate this more than you will know!!  I will send 
you pics of the Mom and her babies after I get some good pics of them tomorrow. 
 I know this will still take time but I feel at least they are getting shown 
and posted so more people will see them.  Thanks so much:)

Deb

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:15 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member


  Hi Deb, welcome to the group. I sent you several private emails with your 
cat's webpage, and Petfinder listing.
  In case anyone hasn't seen these beautiful boys:
  http://ucat.us/BCR/JadonBruschi.html 

  Phaewryn

  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  Special Needs Cat Resources
  http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303
  Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!

Re: New Member

2007-05-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Deb, welcome to the group. I sent you several private emails with your
cat's webpage, and Petfinder listing.
In case anyone hasn't seen these beautiful boys:
http://ucat.us/BCR/JadonBruschi.html

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources
http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303
Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!

Re: New Member

2007-05-07 Thread Kelley Saveika


Oh, no, sorry, I wasn't thinking of the IFA.  Sorry for the mistake.

On 5/7/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


that's just for the snap test, tho, kelley--she needs to find a place to
send out the IFA, too. and she's in a really expensive part of the world!
hee hee.

your vet told you that the ones who tested positive will always be
positive? no one can say that without having some retesting done. while
it's always POSSIBLE that one of your older cats has had the virus all
along, it's more likely that one of the newcomers brought it in, and that
the older cats are just showing positive due to EXPOSURE, and that they'll
process the virus out of their systems.

MC

On 5/7/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Deb,
>
> For the testing - I would look for a group in your area which has an
> account with IDEXX.  They get the tests very cheaply.
>
> I can't draw blood because it is a two person job.  My vet draws the
> blood for me and I supply the tests.
>
>
>  On 5/7/07, Deb Stockbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I just realized that I never introduced myself to this group and was
> > referred here by Mary Christine who has been a wealth of info for me.  I've
> > posted on so many lists I just can't keep things straight anymore!  Anyway ,
> > My name is Deb stockbridge and I have a situation where I have 5 companion
> > kits and one just became ill 3 weeks ago and was found to be FELV+.  I
> > brought in my other 4 of which 3 had tested negative previously when they
> > were neutered ,and now two of them are positive.  None of these cats are
> > related and I feel ,with what I've learned, that I had to have had more than
> > one cat come into my home with FELV and the tests just weren't reliable.  I
> > also have a female I adopted from a breeder who was shut down and she just
> > had a litter of 5 kittens and I will be testing her this week to find out if
> > her and her kits are FELV+I pray they are safe!  My vet advised me to
> > retest only my oldest male Bengal who has shown no signs of illness because
> > he may be able to shed the virus.  I was told the other two that became ill
> > and I treated will always be positive from this point on.  I would like to
> > retest them all but was wondering if anyone knew of a low cost vet clinic or
> > shelter/rescue that could help me learn to draw blood on my own for testing
> > or would assist me in helping out at a lower cost than my vet is charging.
> > I already owe them a chunk of money for saving one of the cats that was very
> > ill and all the testing.  They advised I put her down but I wasn't ready to
> > do that and she is doing very well now along with the 6 month old I had on
> > antibiotics as well.  This all hit me at once and I just don't have the
> > resources to handle this right now.  I don't want to give up on my babies
> > but if I can't find help for the retesting and testing of the Mom and
> > kittens I'm not sure what I can do.  I would greatly appreciate any help
> > including finding these kits homes.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Deb
> >
>
>
>
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>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
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>
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>
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>
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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892





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<>

Re: New Member

2007-05-07 Thread MaryChristine

that's just for the snap test, tho, kelley--she needs to find a place to
send out the IFA, too. and she's in a really expensive part of the world!
hee hee.

your vet told you that the ones who tested positive will always be positive?
no one can say that without having some retesting done. while it's
always POSSIBLE that one of your older cats has had the virus all along,
it's more likely that one of the newcomers brought it in, and that the older
cats are just showing positive due to EXPOSURE, and that they'll process the
virus out of their systems.

MC

On 5/7/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Deb,

For the testing - I would look for a group in your area which has an
account with IDEXX.  They get the tests very cheaply.

I can't draw blood because it is a two person job.  My vet draws the blood
for me and I supply the tests.

On 5/7/07, Deb Stockbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just realized that I never introduced myself to this group and was
> referred here by Mary Christine who has been a wealth of info for me.  I've
> posted on so many lists I just can't keep things straight anymore!  Anyway ,
> My name is Deb stockbridge and I have a situation where I have 5 companion
> kits and one just became ill 3 weeks ago and was found to be FELV+.  I
> brought in my other 4 of which 3 had tested negative previously when they
> were neutered ,and now two of them are positive.  None of these cats are
> related and I feel ,with what I've learned, that I had to have had more than
> one cat come into my home with FELV and the tests just weren't reliable.  I
> also have a female I adopted from a breeder who was shut down and she just
> had a litter of 5 kittens and I will be testing her this week to find out if
> her and her kits are FELV+I pray they are safe!  My vet advised me to
> retest only my oldest male Bengal who has shown no signs of illness because
> he may be able to shed the virus.  I was told the other two that became ill
> and I treated will always be positive from this point on.  I would like to
> retest them all but was wondering if anyone knew of a low cost vet clinic or
> shelter/rescue that could help me learn to draw blood on my own for testing
> or would assist me in helping out at a lower cost than my vet is charging.
> I already owe them a chunk of money for saving one of the cats that was very
> ill and all the testing.  They advised I put her down but I wasn't ready to
> do that and she is doing very well now along with the 6 month old I had on
> antibiotics as well.  This all hit me at once and I just don't have the
> resources to handle this right now.  I don't want to give up on my babies
> but if I can't find help for the retesting and testing of the Mom and
> kittens I'm not sure what I can do.  I would greatly appreciate any help
> including finding these kits homes.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Deb
>

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Re: New Member

2007-05-07 Thread Kelley Saveika


Hi Deb,

For the testing - I would look for a group in your area which has an account
with IDEXX.  They get the tests very cheaply.

I can't draw blood because it is a two person job.  My vet draws the blood
for me and I supply the tests.


On 5/7/07, Deb Stockbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hi Everyone,

I just realized that I never introduced myself to this group and was
referred here by Mary Christine who has been a wealth of info for me.  I've
posted on so many lists I just can't keep things straight anymore!  Anyway ,
My name is Deb stockbridge and I have a situation where I have 5 companion
kits and one just became ill 3 weeks ago and was found to be FELV+.  I
brought in my other 4 of which 3 had tested negative previously when they
were neutered ,and now two of them are positive.  None of these cats are
related and I feel ,with what I've learned, that I had to have had more than
one cat come into my home with FELV and the tests just weren't reliable.  I
also have a female I adopted from a breeder who was shut down and she just
had a litter of 5 kittens and I will be testing her this week to find out if
her and her kits are FELV+I pray they are safe!  My vet advised me to
retest only my oldest male Bengal who has shown no signs of illness because
he may be able to shed the virus.  I was told the other two that became ill
and I treated will always be positive from this point on.  I would like to
retest them all but was wondering if anyone knew of a low cost vet clinic or
shelter/rescue that could help me learn to draw blood on my own for testing
or would assist me in helping out at a lower cost than my vet is charging.
I already owe them a chunk of money for saving one of the cats that was very
ill and all the testing.  They advised I put her down but I wasn't ready to
do that and she is doing very well now along with the 6 month old I had on
antibiotics as well.  This all hit me at once and I just don't have the
resources to handle this right now.  I don't want to give up on my babies
but if I can't find help for the retesting and testing of the Mom and
kittens I'm not sure what I can do.  I would greatly appreciate any help
including finding these kits homes.

Thanks.

Deb





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Re: New Member

2006-12-29 Thread elizabeth trent


Welcome - so very glad you are here.  Animal, Amele and Frack are very lucky
to have you - may they grow strong.  They know they are loved.

elizabeth


On 12/28/06, JoJo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Hi All,



New member, just an intro post – and a long one.  I will tend to lurk more
then comment, unless I feel compelled to do so.  I'm here to learn and to
share my experience and hear about others.



I've been fostering kittens for a local shelter since 2003.  Up until this
year I've been lucky and all kittens I've fostered have been healthy, with
the exception of a few orphans that passed from "failure to thrive".  My
home went from 3 cats to 8 (not to mention 4 dogs).



This year, the very first litter of the season, I took in 7 kittens, about
5 weeks of age.  Nobody is sure if they're all one big litter, or two or
three litters – they were brought in from an animal control facility that
has a tendency to just throw kittens into a cage.  The fact they made it out
of animal control – alive – is a small miracle in itself.



Within the first two weeks, two died.  They went down quickly.  I had to
force feed a few, all had URI's.  When they were old/big enough to test, the
shelter tested the biggest two of the remaining five (there were only two
test kits left on the day I went in).  Both tested negative.  I assumed
everyone else was negative so let my cats in to socialize with this group.
They were named Ali, Frick, Frack, Animal & Amele.



A week or two later, the remaining three were tested.  Ali came back
positive.  I was devastated.  I started researching what I could, and from
what I read decided since she was already symptomatic that I would keep her
until it was time.  At the time, the shelter was going through some
procedural changes – all FeLV + cats were to be PTS, symptomatic or not.  I
conveniently "hid" her – everyone knew I had her, but when it was time to
get her siblings fixed, she stayed home.



Two weeks later, I had Ali PTS, we had just come off a round of force
feedings, to only start again five days later, and she had blood coming from
her rectum.  She was 10 weeks old.  Her siblings were all still at the
shelter and wouldn't go up for adoption until after they had been retested –
three months later.  All had URI's and one was sneezing uncontrollably.  I
brought them all back home with me.



After two months, Frick was not improving to my satisfaction, so I
insisted on retesting.  He came back positive (IFA confirmed), the other
three negative.  So I kept them "hidden" again, with no trips to the
shelter, just going in to get Interferon.  I did take Frick in to get him
neutered (at the original date of neuter he only had one testicle descended
so they wanted to wait two weeks – I waited until he was well enough).  What
a surprise when the vet did the surgery to find no testicles at all!  I felt
guilty as hell, the poor guy had a five inch incision, and I put him through
all that for nothing.



The entire litter was then to go to a place called In Care of Cats – they
are a hospice that takes in FeLV cats.  By this time I'd had the kittens for
about 8 months.  I asked the shelter if I could hospice foster Frick, he'd
have "off" days, and at the time I was asking, he was on his third "off"
day.  I didn't want to send him off to die in a strange place.  I came home
to discover he had not eaten at all that day, it continued into the next
day, he had very little energy.  I took him out to the shelter that night
and had him PTS.  It broke my heart to do so.  And right after that I had
four foster kittens die from panleukopenia – good week for me.



Two weeks to the day after I had Frick PTS, the shelter called to tell me
it was time for the remaining three to go to the hospice.  I knew the call
was coming and I was dreading it.  I wanted to keep them, but at the same
time, finances were strained.  Foster coordinator was afraid I'd have a melt
down if I lost any of these three to FeLV.  But I WAS losing them anyway.
That night I told her they could go to the hospice.  I cried so hard I was
hyperventilating, and had myself so upset I could not eat the next day.  I
called her after lunch and told her they weren't going anywhere, and adopted
them for $10 each (normal fee is $75).



So I am now the proud owner (or am I owned) of three 9 month old kittens
that may or may not have FeLV.  I am getting them and my 8 cats (they were
vaccinated for FeLV) retested in February or March.  All still sneeze, Amele
more then the others.  We have bouts of diarrhea, which clears up with
flagyl.  They're all very active, although Frack is more laid back then her
siblings.  Animal loves water, Amele chases his tail and shadows – those two
are almost always together.  Animal is more of a lover then Amele, and Frack
prefers to keep to herself, but she does like to chase my feet under the
covers.



Many people have actually THANKED me for taking in these "special needs"
kitties.  To me they aren't specia

Re: New Member

2006-12-28 Thread Leslie


Hello...JoJo?...

Welcome, welcome, I think that you are going to fit in just perfectly here.
So happy to have you and your whole brood - I hope that you continue to let
us know how they are doing, especially the funny stories.  We have a good
amount of sadness, countered with lots of support, on this list, and the
good, kitten stories are much appreciated.  Your three sounds like a good
crew.

Others can offer more specific advice on the medicine, but the medications
you mention (interferon specifically) is discussed frequently here.  Other
than that, a good diet (many serve Innova Evo - I do a mix of Innova Evo
kibble, various canned foods/raw diet) and a low stress, fun home life are
the standard recommendations.

Technically I'm on vacation, so I'm getting off the computer now, but
welcome again!  :)

Leslie


Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:45:46 -0500

From: "JoJo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New Member

Hi All,



New member, just an intro post - and a long one.  I will tend to lurk more
then comment, unless I feel compelled to do so.  I'm here to learn and to
share my experience and hear about others.



I've been fostering kittens for a local shelter since 2003.  Up until this
year I've been lucky and all kittens I've fostered have been healthy, with
the exception of a few orphans that passed from "failure to thrive".  My
home went from 3 cats to 8 (not to mention 4 dogs).



This year, the very first litter of the season, I took in 7 kittens, about
5
weeks of age.  Nobody is sure if they're all one big litter, or two or
three
litters - they were brought in from an animal control facility that has a
tendency to just throw kittens into a cage.  The fact they made it out of
animal control - alive - is a small miracle in itself.



Within the first two weeks, two died.  They went down quickly.  I had to
force feed a few, all had URI's.  When they were old/big enough to test,
the
shelter tested the biggest two of the remaining five (there were only two
test kits left on the day I went in).  Both tested negative.  I assumed
everyone else was negative so let my cats in to socialize with this group.
They were named Ali, Frick, Frack, Animal & Amele.



A week or two later, the remaining three were tested.  Ali came back
positive.  I was devastated.  I started researching what I could, and from
what I read decided since she was already symptomatic that I would keep
her
until it was time.  At the time, the shelter was going through some
procedural changes - all FeLV + cats were to be PTS, symptomatic or
not.  I
conveniently "hid" her - everyone knew I had her, but when it was time to
get her siblings fixed, she stayed home.



Two weeks later, I had Ali PTS, we had just come off a round of force
feedings, to only start again five days later, and she had blood coming
from
her rectum.  She was 10 weeks old.  Her siblings were all still at the
shelter and wouldn't go up for adoption until after they had been retested
-
three months later.  All had URI's and one was sneezing uncontrollably.  I
brought them all back home with me.



After two months, Frick was not improving to my satisfaction, so I
insisted
on retesting.  He came back positive (IFA confirmed), the other three
negative.  So I kept them "hidden" again, with no trips to the shelter,
just
going in to get Interferon.  I did take Frick in to get him neutered (at
the
original date of neuter he only had one testicle descended so they wanted
to
wait two weeks - I waited until he was well enough).  What a surprise when
the vet did the surgery to find no testicles at all!  I felt guilty as
hell,
the poor guy had a five inch incision, and I put him through all that for
nothing.



The entire litter was then to go to a place called In Care of Cats - they
are a hospice that takes in FeLV cats.  By this time I'd had the kittens
for
about 8 months.  I asked the shelter if I could hospice foster Frick, he'd
have "off" days, and at the time I was asking, he was on his third "off"
day.  I didn't want to send him off to die in a strange place.  I came
home
to discover he had not eaten at all that day, it continued into the next
day, he had very little energy.  I took him out to the shelter that night
and had him PTS.  It broke my heart to do so.  And right after that I had
four foster kittens die from panleukopenia - good week for me.



Two weeks to the day after I had Frick PTS, the shelter called to tell me
it
was time for the remaining three to go to the hospice.  I knew the call
was
coming and I was dreading it.  I wanted to keep them, but at the same
time,
finances were strained.  Foster coordinator was afraid I'd have a melt
down
if I lost any of these three to FeLV.  But I WAS losing them anyway.  That
night I told her they could go to the hospice.  I cried so hard I was
hyperventilating, and had myself so upset I could not eat the next day.  I
called her after lunch and told her they weren't going anywhere, and
adopted
them for $10 each (normal fee is $75).

Re: New Member

2006-12-28 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn

Welcome to the group Jo. Your story is not uncommon in the group, I think
several people have joined over the years because they became parents to a
FELV+ litter of kittens. Sounds like you are doing really well with them.

Phaewryn

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Re: New Member

2006-12-28 Thread lernermichelle

Hi and welcome. I am glad you have the three. I recommend Immuno-regulin for 
upper respiratory infections that hang on.  There are some articles about it on 
this group's website, and a number of us have used it successfully. Dosing is 
for cats up to 15 pounds, at .25 ml.  I am not sure what dosing for a kitten 
would be, or if it is any different. I have given up to 1 ml at a time for cats 
around 10 pounds.  it is given IV, so i have had the vet do it, though some 
people seem to give it sub-cutaneously at home without problem.
 
Michelle 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: New Member


Hi All, 
 
New member, just an intro post – and a long one.  I will tend to lurk more then 
comment, unless I feel compelled to do so.  I’m here to learn and to share my 
experience and hear about others.
 
I’ve been fostering kittens for a local shelter since 2003.  Up until this year 
I’ve been lucky and all kittens I’ve fostered have been healthy, with the 
exception of a few orphans that passed from “failure to thrive”.  My home went 
from 3 cats to 8 (not to mention 4 dogs).
 
This year, the very first litter of the season, I took in 7 kittens, about 5 
weeks of age.  Nobody is sure if they’re all one big litter, or two or three 
litters – they were brought in from an animal control facility that has a 
tendency to just throw kittens into a cage.  The fact they made it out of 
animal control – alive – is a small miracle in itself.
 
Within the first two weeks, two died.  They went down quickly.  I had to force 
feed a few, all had URI’s.  When they were old/big enough to test, the shelter 
tested the biggest two of the remaining five (there were only two test kits 
left on the day I went in).  Both tested negative.  I assumed everyone else was 
negative so let my cats in to socialize with this group.  They were named Ali, 
Frick, Frack, Animal & Amele.
 
A week or two later, the remaining three were tested.  Ali came back positive.  
I was devastated.  I started researching what I could, and from what I read 
decided since she was already symptomatic that I would keep her until it was 
time.  At the time, the shelter was going through some procedural changes – all 
FeLV + cats were to be PTS, symptomatic or not.  I conveniently “hid” her – 
everyone knew I had her, but when it was time to get her siblings fixed, she 
stayed home.  
 
Two weeks later, I had Ali PTS, we had just come off a round of force feedings, 
to only start again five days later, and she had blood coming from her rectum.  
She was 10 weeks old.  Her siblings were all still at the shelter and wouldn’t 
go up for adoption until after they had been retested – three months later.  
All had URI’s and one was sneezing uncontrollably.  I brought them all back 
home with me.
 
After two months, Frick was not improving to my satisfaction, so I insisted on 
retesting.  He came back positive (IFA confirmed), the other three negative.  
So I kept them “hidden” again, with no trips to the shelter, just going in to 
get Interferon.  I did take Frick in to get him neutered (at the original date 
of neuter he only had one testicle descended so they wanted to wait two weeks – 
I waited until he was well enough).  What a surprise when the vet did the 
surgery to find no testicles at all!  I felt guilty as hell, the poor guy had a 
five inch incision, and I put him through all that for nothing.
 
The entire litter was then to go to a place called In Care of Cats – they are a 
hospice that takes in FeLV cats.  By this time I’d had the kittens for about 8 
months.  I asked the shelter if I could hospice foster Frick, he’d have “off” 
days, and at the time I was asking, he was on his third “off” day.  I didn’t 
want to send him off to die in a strange place.  I came home to discover he had 
not eaten at all that day, it continued into the next day, he had very little 
energy.  I took him out to the shelter that night and had him PTS.  It broke my 
heart to do so.  And right after that I had four foster kittens die from 
panleukopenia – good week for me.
 
Two weeks to the day after I had Frick PTS, the shelter called to tell me it 
was time for the remaining three to go to the hospice.  I knew the call was 
coming and I was dreading it.  I wanted to keep them, but at the same time, 
finances were strained.  Foster coordinator was afraid I’d have a melt down if 
I lost any of these three to FeLV.  But I WAS losing them anyway.  That night I 
told her they could go to the hospice.  I cried so hard I was hyperventilating, 
and had myself so upset I could not eat the next day.  I called her after lunch 
and told her they weren’t going anywhere, and adopted them for $10 each (normal 
fee is $75).  
 
So I am now the proud owner (or am I owned) of three 9 month old kittens that 
may or may not have FeLV.  I am getting them and my 8 cats (they were 
vaccinated for FeLV) retested in

RE: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-15 Thread Sally

Sorry some how I missed the question I did not mean to ignore it.

 

Junior and Tiny followed protocol A for immunoregulin. They started with .5
ml twice a week for two weeks once a week for two weeks and now the vet
plans on once a month for maintenance.

These were given IV. I purchased the IR from Revival animal health. The vet
said my price was better than they could get. It may just be a coincidence
that the gingivitis cleared up or a combination of antibiotics that he
received along with the IR but it did clear up.

 

Sally

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: New member introduction/questions

 

Did you give the IR subQ or IM?

"G. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

What dosage?

At 06:27 PM 12/13/2006, you wrote:
>Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would
>say within two weeks.
>
>Update
>
>The URI seems better and I am able to put the erythromycin ointment in his
>eye. This I had left from when he was in an accident and his eye was
>damaged. The vet has yet to call me back. I called today and it seemed like
>the main message of getting something for Junior's eye went unread. I did
>leave here papers on the Alferon to read. She is not there tomorrow, so I
>may have to stop by and see what I can get.
>
>Best of luck with your kitty.
>
>Sally
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Tillman
>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:23 PM
>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: New member introduction/questions
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV
>positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2
>years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I
>adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he
>does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture
>onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye,
>which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three
>months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back.
>During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe
>gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a
>pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status
>became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was
>within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress
>him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the
>worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the
>other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could
>potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the
>benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has
>progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to
>me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is
in
>good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last
>visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other
>abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts
in
>regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding
>interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to
>consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show
>problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input.
>
>Sue and Shane
>Jerome, AZ

RE: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-13 Thread Susan Loesch

Did you give the IR subQ or IM?

"G. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  What dosage?

At 06:27 PM 12/13/2006, you wrote:
>Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would
>say within two weeks.
>
>Update
>
>The URI seems better and I am able to put the erythromycin ointment in his
>eye. This I had left from when he was in an accident and his eye was
>damaged. The vet has yet to call me back. I called today and it seemed like
>the main message of getting something for Junior's eye went unread. I did
>leave here papers on the Alferon to read. She is not there tomorrow, so I
>may have to stop by and see what I can get.
>
>Best of luck with your kitty.
>
>Sally
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Tillman
>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:23 PM
>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: New member introduction/questions
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV
>positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2
>years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I
>adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he
>does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture
>onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye,
>which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three
>months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back.
>During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe
>gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a
>pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status
>became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was
>within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress
>him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the
>worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the
>other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could
>potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the
>benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has
>progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to
>me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is in
>good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last
>visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other
>abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts in
>regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding
>interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to
>consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show
>problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input.
>
>Sue and Shane
>Jerome, AZ

RE: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-13 Thread G. Lane


What dosage?

At 06:27 PM 12/13/2006, you wrote:

Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would
say within two weeks.

Update

The URI seems better and I am able to put the erythromycin ointment in his
eye. This I had left from when he was in an accident and his eye was
damaged. The vet has yet to call me back. I called today and it seemed like
the main message of getting something for Junior's eye went unread. I did
leave here papers on the Alferon to read. She is not there tomorrow, so I
may have to stop by and see what I can get.

Best of luck with your kitty.

Sally

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Tillman
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:23 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: New member introduction/questions

Hi Folks,

I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV
positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2
years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I
adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he
does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture
onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye,
which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three
months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back.
During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe
gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a
pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status
became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was
within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress
him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the
worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the
other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could
potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the
benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has
progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to
me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is in
good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last
visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other
abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts in
regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding
interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to
consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show
problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input.

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally

2006-12-09 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn

If you give me your mailing address, I'll send you a small tube of probiotics 
gel. I
bought a box of 6, and then didn't need it (turns out it wasn't helpful for the
condition my cat had). I'd rather give some of it away than to just let it sit 
here
and expire. Come to think of it, I have several left-over medications here... 
I'll do
an inventory tomorrow and post it, if anyone can use it, I'm happy to share, 
rather
than to just waste it.

Phaewryn

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RE: New member introduction/questions-Sally

2006-12-09 Thread Sally

Well to be honest I had no way of checking this because the sour cream came
from a Mexican restaurant, but I had already checked to see which brands
have live cultures. I first had to make sure he would eat it. He loves it.
His diarrhea is not all that bad mainly loose stools from the antibiotics as
we all have experienced.

At any rate the calories may help to keep weight on. He is still eating but
not as much as usual. 

The eye drops are much easier to use than the ointment. I thought it would
be harder to get them in his eye.

One of my negative cats, Ittle Bitty is sneezing now. This cat did not catch
the original URI that apparently brought on the FeLV. He is vaccinated for
everything and it only seems to be sneezing involved. I do mix the cats as
some suggested, but mostly they are separated. All the negative cats were
vaccinated and kept separate for a period of time. Junior and Tiny stay in
my room. This creates some stress for Junior as he does not like Tiny never
has! They do tolerate each other, but occasionally hiss at each other.
Nothing I can do about this. It is the only place I can keep them. They are
half brothers. Funny thing is all the sick cats were orange or yellow(buff)
colored. I have one other Orange and white cat, Speedy who is negative and
their half sister who is negative. I don't know if genetics play a role in
predisposing the cats to infection by the virus. Have any studies been done
on this?  

Thanks for the heads up.

Sally

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O'Gwynn
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally

Sour cream for the diarrhea? Does the sour cream you use say on the label "
with live
and active acidophilus cultures"?
Most sour cream does NOT have any beneficial bacteria in it, so make sure
you're
feeding one that has it in there, like this one:
http://organicvalley.coop/utility/faq/sour_cream_faq.html

Phaewryn

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To Sue Re: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-09 Thread wendy

Hi Sue,

Glad you have found our site.  It's a great one!  You
might consider upping the L-lysine dose for your
kitty.  I adopted a kitten last February that had
severe corneal ulcers (had to have one eye removed
before we adopted her).  After I took her home, I
tried everything the vet gave me (anti-viral drops,
like Viroptic, and antibiotics).  Nothing worked. 
Then I started Smookie on 500 mg., 2x a day, and I
couldn't believe the ulcer started going away!  It
took a while.  After her ulcer cleared up, we stopped
the lysine (she is not FeLV+).  She's been great
since.  Make sure your lysine does not contain
propylene glycol; it affects kitty's blood.  

I don't have any advice concerning the dental work,
other than you are going to be the best judge of
what's best for Shane.  If the dental IS definitely
needed to head off a potential problem later on, then
it's probably best to take care of it now, rather than
when kitty might be going through some other problem
associated with the FeLV.

:)
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Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally

2006-12-09 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn

Sour cream for the diarrhea? Does the sour cream you use say on the label " 
with live
and active acidophilus cultures"?
Most sour cream does NOT have any beneficial bacteria in it, so make sure you're
feeding one that has it in there, like this one:
http://organicvalley.coop/utility/faq/sour_cream_faq.html

Phaewryn

Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html
VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:
http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html
Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html

RE: New member introduction/questions-Sally

2006-12-09 Thread Sally

Hi Sue and Shane

I was not expecting it to clear up, but it did. He had anemia and bleeding
gums. The anemia had been treated with antibiotics by a different vet who
wanted to euthanize Junior after testing positive and after he came back
with a fever of 106.5. I only thank her that she did not suggest this action
when the test was first done or I fear that is what would have happened to
Junior. My bf already had been through FeLV with his cats many years ago and
I don't think the end was a very pleasant experience for him. Junior is
mostly his cat, and I am the caregiver for both of them lol.

His anemia has remained in check as well. The only problem we are
experiencing is the ongoing upper respiratory this time accompanied by
uveitis which seemed very painful to him. He is still not his usual self but
the eye looks better and very few sneezing episodes. He does sleep a lot. He
eats dry food when he wants drinks a lot of water and I fix him wet food
baby food and sour cream for the diarrhea. He did not like the yogurt. He
also gets L Lysine Pet Tabs with iron that I ordered by accident. I meant to
get Pet Tinic.  I just added CoQ10. I do believe the l Lysine helped the
eye. It took me a week to get antibiotic drops for his eye as they were not
initially prescribed. I did have some eye ointment left over from his
accident in the spring. He is blind in this eye from nerve damage although
it looks normal. 

I think the biggest thing going on with Junior is stress. I try not to act
stressed around him but he knows when I am getting ready to take him to the
vet or give him medicine. I had the feliway unit plugged into the wall in my
room. I could not tell a difference so I just moved it to the living room
where the other cats hang out. I replaced it with a glade chamomile and
lavender air freshener. It had the cats sleeping ;ole babies. Well they
pretty much do that anyway. 

At this point I am not going to do dentistry. His mouth is clear of any
sores or bleeding. Oh yes with junior it was the mouth ulcer that first got
him to the vet. I thought his jaw was not properly aligned. This was a
couple months after it has been broken. This was the first hint of things to
come.

Sally and her 10 cats

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Tillman
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:17 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally

>On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:27:04 -0500 "Sally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would
> say within two weeks.

> Sally

Hi Sally,

That sounds very encouraging! So, in Junior's case, the gingivitis cleared
up strictly using the Immunoregulin and no dentistry was needed? I have a
call in to my vet to find out if she's used Immunoregulin (or would be
willing to try it). Thanks for your help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions-Nina

>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:44:00 -0800, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How is Shane with vet visits?  Would he do okay with dental work while he's
>awake?  How long ago was your last vet visit?  Did he drop the weight quickly,
>or over a length of time?  Depending on how bad his gums are, you might want to
> try and address his gingivitis and herpes infection first.  Maybe try
> the antibiotics and lysine and see how he responds.

Hi Nina,

Shane does quite well at the vet's office. He usually purrs the whole time
he is there and is very cooperative about everything. However, I'm sure he
finds it stressful (don't most animals?) between being put in his carrier,
riding in the car and then all the weird sounds and smells at the clinic. He
certainly does better than many cats I've seen there. It had been about six
weeks since his last vet appointment so the weight loss took place over that
period of time. He's a little on the pudgy side, so he can actually stand to
lose a little weight. However, since I hadn't been making a concerted effort
to get any weight off of him, the weight loss does concern me. I plan to
take him back in about a week to see if he is continuing to drop weight. He
has been on L-lysine, 250 mg. twice daily for months (since his eye
infection was diagnosed). The vet didn't start him on an antibiotic yet but
will probably put him on a course of antibiotics whether we decide to do the
dental or not. Thanks for your help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions-Belinda

>On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:14:07 -0800 Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He did fine with the surgery which lasted about 45 minutes, they used
> sevoflurane and fluids before, during and after.

> Belinda

Hi Belinda,

Thanks for sharing Bailey's dentistry success story. :-) Shane seems to be
eating okay, so I don't know that the weight loss has to do with the state
of his mouth, but it certainly could be related. My vet did tell me she
would keep Shane on IV fluids before, during and after the procedure as
well. I don't think they use sevoflurane, but they use isoflurane, which is
also very safe. I'll probably take Shane in to be weighed in about a week
and then make a decision about how to proceed. I'll let you know how it
goes. Thanks again!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions-Elizabeth

>On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:39:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Subject: Re: New member introduction/questions
> This is a tricky one. Dental health is very important. You would hate for your
> baby to overcome the rigors of fighting FeVL only to succumb to a debilitating
> and preventable illness caused by dental neglect.

Hi Elizabeth,

Thanks for your detailed reply. A big issue is that the gingivitis is
progressing quite rapidly and I'm certain it will tax Shane's already
compromised immune system if we don't try to get it under control.

> Three to four years is about right to get your first dental. People may
> disagree with me but I think that every other year there-after would be a good
> schedule for dentals for most cats.

The issue is that he isn't most cats--he's an FeLV positive cat and his gum
disease has progressed dramatically in just a few months' time. If he were a
normal cat, I would most certainly do any and all routine dental care
without hesitation.

> there is a lot you can do yourself in regard to dental hygiene but i really
>don't think it compares to an ultrasonic scaling beneath the gum-line and all
>that they can do now for
> tartar build-up.

I agree 100%--once the teeth are clean, home dental hygiene may help keep
them that way, but initially, a thorough cleaning is the only thing that is
effective for getting under the gum line.

> With recent weight loss, however - my gut instinct says: wait. Even a pound of
> weight loss is a very large percentage of body weight for a cat.

I'll probably take him to the vet's office in about a week to see if his
weight has stabilized and go from there.

 > If it were my FeVL+ kitty...and I knew she was very stable and wasn't
> experiencing any current problems related to the disease -- I would take her
> for a dental in a heartbeat.
> elizabeth

Thanks for weighing in on this subject! I'd still like to hear opinions from
folks on the topic of when it's appropriate (is it too soon to think about
it when lab work is still normal?) to consider using Immunoregulin and/or
interferon alpha.

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally

>On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:27:04 -0500 "Sally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would
> say within two weeks.

> Sally

Hi Sally,

That sounds very encouraging! So, in Junior's case, the gingivitis cleared
up strictly using the Immunoregulin and no dentistry was needed? I have a
call in to my vet to find out if she's used Immunoregulin (or would be
willing to try it). Thanks for your help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions-Phaewryn

>On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:10:56 -0500 "Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn" <[EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>I once had a vet that scaled cat's teeth without any sedatives or
>anesthesiaPersonally, I wouldn't risk putting a FELV+ cat under anesthesia
>for a dental, the trade off is not worth the risks, IMO.
> 
> Phaewryn

Hi Phaewryn,

Thanks for your reply and suggestions. I don't think a "hand scaling"
without anesthesia would be very beneficial in this situation (even if I
could find someone who would do it) as it doesn't clean under the gum line.
My understanding is that hand scaling is primarily a cosmetic procedure that
removes visible calculus. I also don't think that Shane would tolerate it.
:-O I'm still debating risks vs. benefits of doing a conventional dental.
Thanks again for your help.

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions-Michelle

>On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:07:17 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would immediately put him on 500 mg/day of lysine for herpes.  For  the
> gingivitis you might want to try a 5 day course of clindamycin, an  antibiotic
> that is especially good for gums.

>Michelle

Hi Michelle,

Thanks for your reply and suggestions. The variety of responses I received,
both pro and con, on the dentistry emphasizes the fact that there is no
correct answer.  Shane has been on Lysine, 250 mg. twice daily, since the
ocular herpes was diagnosed and will remain on that for life. He was on
antiviral eye drops (eventually a prednisone eye drop was also added for the
inflammation) for about three months (he is off all the drops at present).
The eye looks okay at the moment, though it sometimes still looks a little
squinty. The vet had planned to do another thorough eye exam when he was
under for the dental. Right now, I am leaning toward proceeding with the
dental after pre-treating with antibiotics but I haven't decided yet. Thanks
again for your reply.

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-08 Thread Nina


Welcome Susan and Shane,
It's so tough to make these hard decisions when there are no clear cut 
answers.  At least you seem fortunate in having a vet that understands 
the dangers of stress on felv kitties, (and one that doesn't try to 
force your hand with what they think is best).  How is Shane with vet 
visits?  Would he do okay with dental work while he's awake?  How long 
ago was your last vet visit?  Did he drop the weight quickly, or over a 
length of time?  Depending on how bad his gums are, you might want to 
try and address his gingivitis and herpes infection first.  Maybe try 
the antibiotics and lysine and see how he responds.  The healthier he is 
before the dental treatment the better.  It's very good news that his 
appetite is strong and he appears healthy.  Instead of brushing my guys 
teeth with toothpaste and toothbrushes, I would use qtips and a diluted 
oral rinse I got from my vet.

Blessings to you both, keep in touch and let us know what you decide to do.
Nina

Susan Tillman wrote:

Hi Folks,

I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV
positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2
years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I
adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he
does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture
onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye,
which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three
months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back.
During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe
gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a
pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status
became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was
within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress
him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the
worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the
other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could
potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the
benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has
progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to
me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is in
good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last
visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other
abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts in
regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding
interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to
consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show
problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input.

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-08 Thread Belinda



Dental health is *very* important.  You would hate for your baby to 
overcome the rigors of fighting FeVL only to succumb to a debilitating 
and preventable illness caused by dental neglect.
I agree, neglected dental health can lead to very serious and even 
deadly infections and other serious problems.   Cats get abscesses too 
and they can become very serious and deadly if left untreated.  It isn't 
as easy to see dental problems with our furkids as it is with humans, 
cats hide pain and illness very well.  Losing weight can be an indicator 
of possible dental or mouth problems, as well as many other things, it 
was the first sign with Bailey.  He was doing so well and was even on 
the pudgy side but then I noticed he was losing weight very gradually, 
it was his mouth.  He eventually had to have all of his teeth removed 
except his insisors and teeth in between.  We tried many different 
things but nothing gave complete relief, it was only after pulling his 
teeth he was better.  Bailey was 9 or 10 when he had that done and had 
been positive since at least 5 months of age when I found him.


He did fine with the surgery which lasted about 45 minutes, they used 
sevoflurane and fluids before, during and after.


http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/Dental.html

http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/dental.html

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/dental.html

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Re: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-07 Thread etrent

 Welcome Sue and Shane!
 
 This is a tricky one. Dental health is very important. You would hate for your 
baby to overcome the rigors of fighting FeVL only to succumb to a debilitating 
and preventable illness caused by dental neglect. I am sure you are well aware 
of the potential serious health hazards of letting dental problems go 
unchecked...
 
 Three to four years is about right to get your first dental. People may 
disagree with me but I think that every other year there-after would be a good 
schedule for dentals for most cats. Don't ignore the dentals; they are very 
important. The type of equipment your vet has can have a lot to do with how 
long the dental will last -- along with, of course, the individual response and 
genetics of your cat. 
 
 Some vets are better than others when it comes to dentals. My vet has some 
incredible state-of-the-art equipment (yes - even here in poh-dunk alabama) and 
they have made an impression on specialists throughout the state who have 
received patients from them for special care. there is a lot you can do 
yourself in regard to dental hygiene but i really don't think it compares to an 
ultrasonic scaling beneath the gum-line and all that they can do now for tartar 
build-up.
 
 I really think that your heart is the best judge of what to do in this 
situation. You know Shane better than anyone -- you know his status probably 
better than the vet does. With recent weight loss, however - my gut instinct 
says: wait. Even a pound of weight loss is a very large percentage of body 
weight for a cat. That being said - if you get him stabilized where he's at a 
good weight and his vitals are good - I think it would be beneficial to get the 
very best dental care if you want to prolong his life. Anything you could do to 
minimize stress, of course, would be wise...but you have to weigh the pros and 
cons based on what you know about Shane. The fact that most of his blood-work 
is on target is very promising.
 
 If it were my FeVL+ kitty...and I knew she was very stable and wasn't 
experiencing any current problems related to the disease -- I would take her 
for a dental in a heartbeat. I would be there with her every second they would 
let me and I would have it done on a Friday so that I could spend the weekend 
spoiling her rotten. The weight-loss bothers me though...if It were my baby...I 
think I might wait until he gained the weight back and had stabilized for a 
least a few weeks.
 
 I'm glad you decided to join us! We have a lot of very smart people on this 
list and I don't know what I would do without the people I've met here. 
 
 elizabeth
 
  *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*   
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 1:23 PM
 Subject: New member introduction/questions
 
  Hi Folks,

I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV
positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2
years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I
adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he
does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture
onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye,
which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three
months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back.
During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe
gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a
pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status
became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was
within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress
him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the
worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the
other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could
potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the
benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has
progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to
me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is in
good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last
visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other
abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts in
regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding
interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to
consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show
problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input.

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ


   

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RE: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-07 Thread Sally

Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would
say within two weeks. 

Update

The URI seems better and I am able to put the erythromycin ointment in his
eye. This I had left from when he was in an accident and his eye was
damaged. The vet has yet to call me back. I called today and it seemed like
the main message of getting something for Junior's eye went unread. I did
leave here papers on the Alferon to read. She is not there tomorrow, so I
may have to stop by and see what I can get. 

Best of luck with your kitty.

Sally

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Tillman
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:23 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: New member introduction/questions

Hi Folks,

I just joined this list after finding out that my cat, Shane, is FeLV
positive. Shane is approximately 3-4 years old. I adopted him about 2 1/2
years ago from our local shelter. I did not have him tested at the time I
adopted him, so there is no way to know how long he has been infected (he
does spend some time outdoors, though there are few other cats that venture
onto our property). In July, he started having a problem with his left eye,
which my vet diagnosed as an ocular herpes infection. It took about three
months to clear things up and it now appears that it may be coming back.
During this time, we also noticed that Shane was developing pretty severe
gingivitis that has progressed pretty rapidly. I took him in for a
pre-dental blood test on Monday and that is when his FeLV positive status
became known. The rest of his blood work was fine--most everything was
within normal range. I now have to make a decision about whether to stress
him with a dental procedure or just do nothing. On the one hand, the
worsening gum disease will have a negative impact on his health but, on the
other hand, my vet is concerned that the anesthetic and procedure could
potentially create a health crisis as well. I also wonder how long the
benefits of the dental would last, considering how fast the gum disease has
progressed in just a few months' time. Basically, my vet has left it up to
me and says there are arguments for (and against) either option. Shane is in
good condition (though he had dropped about 3/4 of a pound since our last
visit to the vet), his appetite is excellent and there are no other
abnormalities that we have detected so far. Does anyone have any thoughts in
regard to the dental? Also, I've been reading through the files regarding
interferon alpha, immunoregulin, etc. At what point is it reasonable to
consider using those treatments? Do you wait until the CBC starts to show
problems (anemia or drop in WBCs, etc.)? I look forward to you input.

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-07 Thread Lernermichelle

Hi and welcome.  If dental is badly needed I would do it. Two of my  
positives had multiple teeth extracted and it went ok, though one got a URI 
from  the 
stress of surgery that took a while to go away.  But their teeth were  so bad 
they could not eat without the extractions.
 
I would immediately put him on 500 mg/day of lysine for herpes.  For  the 
gingivitis you might want to try a 5 day course of clindamycin, an  antibiotic 
that is especially good for gums.  My Patches stopped eating due  to bad 
gingivitis but has felt fine since a course of clindamycin. The liquid is  
horrible 
tasting, though, so i would recommend pills.
 
Michelle

Re: New member introduction/questions

2006-12-07 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn

I once had a vet that scaled cat's teeth without any sedatives or anesthesia. 
Those
vets are hard to find, and he's since retired, but it's worth calling around 
your
area and asking about. That would be the ideal solution. You can also try 
brushing at
home, they make special cat toothpaste and toothbrushes. Personally, I wouldn't 
risk
putting a FELV+ cat under anesthesia for a dental, the trade off is not worth 
the
risks, IMO.

Phaewryn

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Re: New member/old member

2006-11-18 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn

Welcome back Beth, and congrats on your new baby! I've learned that having a
half bald cat isn't so bad, so long as he's not itchy and miserable, I
wouldn't worry about it too much, hair is cosmetic!

Phaewryn
(you'll remember me as Jenn most likely, I've changed my name, my FELV
baby's name was Moogie)

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Re: New member/old member

2006-11-18 Thread Marylyn

Have you checked his thyroid?  That can cause hair lose and some vets don't 
test for it.  They don't believe a cat can be hypothyroid.  

Is he scratching or biting a lot?  

Good luck   with Stamp.  He is a lucky little boy.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gussies mom 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:10 AM
  Subject: New member/old member


  Hello-

  My name is Beth and I used to be on this list several years ago. I had 
several FeLV kitties - Hope, Miss Gussie and Tommy to name a few. When my 
beloved Tommy (Bubba) died a few years ago I unsubscribed. 
  I have started volunteering with a shelter that has brought me a wonderful 
gift - a 3 month old black FeLV kitten named Stamp (found at the post office)
  He is healthy except that he is loosing hair. He was skin tested for ringworm 
- negative. Was on Clavamox for 10 days. We are now trying Prednilisone?
  I have decided not to vaccinate. He will be mixing with at least one of my 
negative cats.

  Hope to "see" some old faces here and hear from some new ones!

  Beth


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Welcome to the group. We just had a decision about whether or not using metacam was safe or not. I hope others have more advice for you than I do. Bless you for what you do to help animals. tonyamarta gasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I just joined, I'm Marta from Nebraska, some of you already know me from other lists. I have no FeLV kitties right now_just a FIV+, was diagnosed with FIP almost a year ago but he bounced back so well, most likely that isn't the problem. I'll know more on next vet check up next month. We care for ferals in our town and last Sat took a 4 month old feral kitten to the vet b/c she looked so sick (not sick puppy sick but very lethargic unlike her, she's so wild I've seen so little of her) She's been running a
105° fever_actually came down 1 degree this morning and upon tests was found very anemic, with an URI and coccidia_ so she's on subq's, Metacam (strange shouldn't have M reduced the fever by now, she got it this morning) and a combo of doxy and baytril for blood parasytes. They're feeding her Nutrical. I've thought of FIP or leuk as a possibility but she tested negative on the combo test (means little I know)_her mom was negative when we TNR' her_and she being a feral it sort of cuts the chances of having FIP but I don't know. We're hoping the doxy cocktail will work for her anemia, I'll know more tomorrow. I've been following the immuno regulin thread_Hideyo , I'm so sorry, sending prayers and best vibes for your little one_would it work on infectious anemia? Thank-you very much and thank-you for this list. MartaPlease visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta

Re: New member

2006-08-01 Thread Lernermichelle





I don't think IR would directly attack infectious anemia, but I think that 
it would boost the immune system so that it could fight it better along with 
antibiotics. I have used IR in conjunction with abx.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:33:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've 
  been following the immuno regulin thread_Hideyo , I'm so sorry, sending 
  prayers and best vibes for your little one_would it work on infectious 
  anemia?

Re: New member

2006-08-01 Thread Gloria Lane

Welcome to Marta! Some on the list use Immunoregulin sub-q and report it works well. I'd sure try it - Too bad folks blame illness on FIP (and FELV) when really they just don't know what it is.Gloria in Arkansas In a message dated 7/31/2006 9:33:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just joined, I'm Marta from Nebraska, some of you already know me from other lists. I have no FeLV kitties right now_just a FIV+, was diagnosed with FIP almost a year ago but he bounced back so well, most likely that isn't the problem. I'll know more on next vet check up next month. We care for ferals in our town and last Sat took a 4 month old feral kitten to the vet b/c she looked so sick (not sick puppy sick but very lethargic unlike her, she's so wild I've seen so little of her) She's been running a 105° fever_actually came down 1 degree this morning and upon tests was found very anemic, with an URI and coccidia_ so she's on subq's, Metacam (strange shouldn't have M reduced the fever by now, she got it this morning) and a combo of doxy and baytril for blood parasytes. They're feeding her Nutrical. I've thought of FIP or leuk as a possibility but she tested negative on the combo test (means little I know)_her mom was negative when we TNR' her_and she being a feral it sort of cuts the chances of having FIP but I don't know. We're hoping the doxy cocktail will work for her anemia, I'll know more tomorrow. I've been following the immuno regulin thread_Hideyo , I'm so sorry, sending prayers and best vibes for your little one_would it work on infectious anemia? Thank-you very much and thank-you for this list. Marta

Re: New member

2006-08-01 Thread ETrent





Welcome.  Hope your sick one will be better soon.
 
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 7/31/2006 9:33:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I just joined, I'm Marta from Nebraska, some of you already know me from 
  other lists.
  I have no FeLV kitties right now_just a FIV+, was diagnosed with FIP 
  almost a year ago but he bounced back so well, most likely that isn't the 
  problem. I'll know more on next vet check up next month.
  We care for ferals in our town and last Sat took a 4 month old feral 
  kitten to the vet b/c she looked so sick (not sick puppy sick but very 
  lethargic unlike her, she's so wild I've seen so little of her)
  She's been running a 105° fever_actually came down 1 degree this morning 
  and upon tests was found very anemic, with an URI and coccidia_ so she's on 
  subq's, Metacam (strange shouldn't have M reduced the fever by now, she got it 
  this morning) and a combo of doxy and baytril for blood parasytes. They're 
  feeding her  Nutrical.
  I've thought of FIP or leuk as a possibility but she tested negative on 
  the combo test (means little I know)_her mom was negative when we TNR' her_and 
  she being a feral it sort of cuts the chances of having FIP but I don't 
  know.
  We're hoping the doxy cocktail will work for her anemia, I'll know more 
  tomorrow. 
  I've been following the immuno regulin thread_Hideyo , I'm so sorry, 
  sending prayers and best vibes for your little one_would it work on infectious 
  anemia?
  Thank-you very much and thank-you for this list.
  Marta

Re: New member

2006-07-31 Thread TenHouseCats

welcome marta!
On 7/31/06, marta gasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I just joined, I'm Marta from Nebraska, some of you already know me from other lists.
I have no FeLV kitties right now_just a FIV+, was diagnosed with FIP almost a year ago but he bounced back so well, most likely that isn't the problem. I'll know more on next vet check up next month.
We care for ferals in our town and last Sat took a 4 month old feral kitten to the vet b/c she looked so sick (not sick puppy sick but very lethargic unlike her, she's so wild I've seen so little of her)
She's been running a 105° fever_actually came down 1 degree this morning and upon tests was found very anemic, with an URI and coccidia_ so she's on subq's, Metacam (strange shouldn't have M reduced the fever by now, she got it this morning) and a combo of doxy and baytril for blood parasytes. They're feeding her  Nutrical.

I've thought of FIP or leuk as a possibility but she tested negative on the combo test (means little I know)_her mom was negative when we TNR' her_and she being a feral it sort of cuts the chances of having FIP but I don't know.

We're hoping the doxy cocktail will work for her anemia, I'll know more tomorrow. 
I've been following the immuno regulin thread_Hideyo , I'm so sorry, sending prayers and best vibes for your little one_would it work on infectious anemia?
Thank-you very much and thank-you for this list.
Marta





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Re: New member, :-(

2006-06-07 Thread catatonya

Beth,     I'm so sorry for your predicament.  First of all though You didn't make 'mistakes'.  You did what any decent person would do.   Have you tried finding a rescue group in your area to help you financially??  Check the internet and see what help there might be for you financially.     As far as the felv goes  the positive cat could still go negative.  You can test everyone else and they test negative but later test positive!  If your own adult cat has been vaccinated for felv then you don't need to worry about her catching felv.  That would be very very rare.  The found cats have all already been mixed so again, separating, testing, etc at this point wouldn't be that helpful.     I would try to find a rescue group that will help you adopt your cats out and get their first shots.  That's a first step anyway.  I'm
 sure others will have more advice for you.     tonyaGary Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi everyone,  Happy to have found this list, but I so wish I didn't need to.  Here's my story...  A feral cat had 5 kittens in my in laws brush pile, she moved them after I found them at 3 weeks old.  I waited a few weeks and went looking for them again, figuring they could be weaned but were still small enough to catch.  After a lot of work moving the wrong neighbor's huge, gigantic brush pile, I found them in the next yard over in a little, tiny brush pile in the woods.  Called my husband to bring the cat carrier and we caught 3 relatively easily.  The other two ducked into a rabbit? or
 woodchuck? hole, too deep to see them, and wouldn't come out.  We set the live trap, caught the mom and one very sick little runt (Alice), then reset the trap.  It took 2 more days to catch the last bugger, Dash.  We put everyone but the sick one in a dog crate in a shady spot at my in laws, took the runt in to the vet, got her wormed, eye drops, antibiotics.  She was only 14 oz, less than 1/2 the weight she should have been, and too sick and little to do a blood draw on.  We made an appointment to have the Elisa test done in a week, and kept her in a crate in my in laws spare room.  My mother-in-law hates cats, she is elderly and set in her ways, it was causing a lot of stress in the family, then we got three 94 degree days in a row and she wouldn't let me bring them in her house, so we brought the crate to my back yard (mistake #1) and set it up with a fan blowing on one side until her appointment to get spayed
 (the humane society clinic had a 10 day backlog for this).    She had the surgery Wednesday, Elisa was negative, it was still stinking hot, so I brought her crate inside of our house (mistake #2), sequestered in a spare bedroom away from our resident FeLV neg. furbaby, Blue.  I figured if mom was neg., the kittens were probably  negative (mistake #3), so I put them in a borrowed crate in our bedroom, but soon felt sorry for them and let them out to run around and play.    Couldn't afford to take them in to the vet as well, figured we'd find homes for them and ask the adopters for a deposit to help get them started on vet care.  They are twice the size of the runt, few sneezes once in a while, but no discharge and they run around like crazy.  I washed up and disinfected after caring for any cat and kept everyone separate, except for letting my cat peek in the kitten's
 door once (nobody came near her, she stayed outside and watched, but what an idiot I am.)  Alice the runt was still at my in-law's, we decided to keep her, took her to vet on Friday, gained 8oz. in a week, got her first vaccination while we waited for the test results.  They were very busy, but she was so darling that the vet didn't want to leave her.  Then we got her very positive results.  I sobbed, the vet tech and receptionist were crying.  I should get her IFA results back in a few days, but don't have much hope.  The others get tested tomorrow, not sure what we will do, a rescue might find homes for 1 or 2, but what if all 5 are positive?  If I didn't already have a cat I would keep some, but I'm hyper-ventilating just thinking about the danger I've put her in already.  In the mean time, we've spent close to $700.00 on this whole thing so far, I
 haven't made the house payment yet and our only car with less than 100,000 miles on it blew it's engine the night before we got the bad news on Alice.  Mom cat hates my guts, can't be touched, her only hope to live is to be re-released as a feral, is it ethical to do this with just the negative Elisa?  I can't afford to keep testing everyone, have to get them out of my house and away from my cat, any advice would be greatly appreciated.     Thank you, Beth             [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New member, :-(

2006-06-05 Thread Nina





Hi Beth, I'm glad you found us too.  Thank you so much for not being
able to turn away from these cats!  Please, please, please, stop
beating yourself up for doing the best you could in a not so good
situation.  As Lance said, I highly doubt that you have put Blue in any
danger.  There are many misconceptions about felv, but one thing that
most vets agree on is that there has to be prolonged physical contact
to catch it.  "When it dries, it dies", and it can't be contracted by
simply being in the same environment, in other words, it isn't an
airborne transmission.  Many folks on the list mix negs and pos and it
is very rare for a healthy adult neg cat to contract the disease, esp
if they have been vaccinated.  There are varying opinions on this, but
if it were me, and your cat hasn't already been vaccinated, I'd test
her and if she's neg, I'd get her vaccinated.  My introduction to felv
came when I rescued a litter of bottle babies.  I didn't know they were
pos at the time and they mixed with all my other cats.  I had taken in
a feral kitten and they accepted her and treated her like a litter
mate.  They ate, slept, groomed, played together, they shared litter
boxes and food dishes.  My little feral girl, Gypsy, never got felv and
she was young and not vaccinated for it!  

False pos on kittens are common.  I'm glad you've gotten the IFA test
done.  Please don't call yourself an idiot.  Your a caring, loving
person, just trying to do the right thing by these little angels.  If
Mom tested neg, I would release her back to her territory, are the
kittens old enough to do okay without her?  How is Alice doing?  I hope
she's feeling better.  Give those babies a head bump from me.  Hugs to
you and your husband, it sounds like you have a good man there.

Oh man, how I understand the financial problems and how hard it is to
find the money to help these guys.  My best wishes and prayers are with
you, where there is a will, there is a way.  Sending support and
concern,
Nina

Gary Murphy wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Hi everyone,
  Happy to have found this list, but I so wish I didn't need to. 
Here's my story...
  A feral cat had 5 kittens in my in laws brush pile, she moved
them after I found them at 3 weeks old.  I waited a few weeks and went
looking for them again, figuring they could be weaned but were still
small enough to catch.  After a lot of work moving the wrong neighbor's
huge, gigantic brush pile, I found them in the next yard over in a
little, tiny brush pile in the woods.  Called my husband to bring the
cat carrier and we caught 3 relatively easily.  The other two ducked
into a rabbit? or woodchuck? hole, too deep to see them, and wouldn't
come out.  We set the live trap, caught the mom and one very sick
little runt (Alice), then reset the trap.  It took 2 more days to catch
the last bugger, Dash.  We put everyone but the sick one in a dog crate
in a shady spot at my in laws, took the runt in to the vet, got her
wormed, eye drops, antibiotics.  She was only 14 oz, less than 1/2 the
weight she should have been, and too sick and little to do a blood draw
on.  We made an appointment to have the Elisa test done in a week, and
kept her in a crate in my in laws spare room.  My mother-in-law hates
cats, she is elderly and set in her ways, it was causing a lot of
stress in the family, then we got three 94 degree days in a row and she
wouldn't let me bring them in her house, so we brought the crate to my
back yard (mistake #1) and set it up with a fan blowing on one
side until her appointment to get spayed (the humane society clinic had
a 10 day backlog for this).    She had the surgery Wednesday, Elisa was
negative, it was still stinking hot, so I brought her crate inside of
our house (mistake #2), sequestered in a spare bedroom away from our
resident FeLV neg. furbaby, Blue.  I figured if mom was neg.,
the kittens were probably  negative (mistake #3), so I put them in a
borrowed crate in our bedroom, but soon felt sorry for them and let
them out to run around and play.    Couldn't afford to take them in to
the vet as well, figured we'd find homes for them and ask the adopters
for a deposit to help get them started on vet care.  They are twice the
size of the runt, few sneezes once in a while, but no discharge and
they run around like crazy.  I washed up and disinfected after caring
for any cat and kept everyone separate, except for letting my cat peek
in the kitten's door once (nobody came near her, she stayed outside and
watched, but what an idiot I am.)  Alice the runt was still at my
in-law's, we decided to keep her, took her to vet on Friday, gained
8oz. in a week, got her first vaccination while we waited for the test
results.  They were very busy, but she was so darling that the vet
didn't want to leave her.  Then we got her very positive results.  I
sobbed, the vet tech and receptionist were crying.  I should get her
IFA results back in a few days, but don't have much hope.  The others
get tested tomorrow,

Re: New member, :-(

2006-06-05 Thread Lance


Hi Beth,

I'm sorry to hear about your situation, though I think it's great  
that you took the time to take care of the little ones. You've  
certainly come to the right place for thoughts on what's going on.  
There are a number of rescuers on the list who will have good advice  
for you (and they'll do much better than I could). I will say that it  
seems unlikely that Blue would have picked up FeLV from the less-than- 
intimate contact with the kittens. If Blue is over a year and a half  
old, and is healthy, I seriously doubt she would contract the disease  
and remain positive. Even if she's younger than that and not in great  
health, it sounds like she didn't have any close interaction with the  
kittens. That's my lay-person's opinion. I hope you're able to find  
homes for the kittens.


Lance

Re: New Member

2005-11-27 Thread carrie chance




fip has fluid build up, but its pretty deadly and 
kille pretty fast, so doubt its that

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Allie 
  Deaver 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:30 
  AM
  Subject: Re: New Member
  Carrie-She has fluid buildup in her chest, which was 
  greatly helped with a diuretic and tested positive for FeLV. Other than that, 
  she's a completely normal little kitten. Any ideas from you? So far, I've 
  heard that it might be cardiomyopathy. Do you think it could also be something 
  else?Allie
  On 11/25/05, hd cc 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  
Allie, 
 
what is wrong with your kitten?
 
Sincerely Carrie
 
www.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.comwww.alleycatangels.orgwww.adoptacat53.com

  - Original 
  Message - 
  From: 
  Allie Deaver 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: 
  Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: 
  New Member

Re: New Member

2005-11-26 Thread catatonya

Felv can incubate for a while.  If it were me  I would do a retest.  Ask for a plain old felv instead of the  fiv/felv combo to save a few bucks.This does sound a lot though like a reaction.  I think I would try another vet for a second opinion.thd cc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I have tested my kitty and no FIV or FELV or anything like that, but I wastold you guys are the smartest people around whenit comes to cats and kittens with problems. Heres mine!Sasha is 3 months old, she was fine, but then never really looked right,straggly and just not a healthy kitty, thin hair but did play and run andwas alot of fun. Now she has URI, which is getting better and better, butsince getting it she has really gone down hill, She is always warm, when youtouch her
 she feels warm, and now sometimes her 3rd eyelids cover her eyesfor a second or 2 and she acts like she is not there, and then comes back,and also her legs are giving out on her, they stiffen up and she cant move,and she is very twitchy, her whole body twitches/tremors, something iswrong, I did a blood panel and the vet said it was fine.a few weeks ago she was given a shot of pennicillian,. and had an allergicreaction to it, her head swelled up and when the vet noticed it gave hersomething to counter act it, i took her in originally cause she looked poor,sick and URI, could this shot have done it? Its almost like what ever iswrong its in the nervous system or in the brain. Anyone ever hear anythingsimilar to this. the vet thinks in one manner to put her down, but I WONT,she is eating and she has a nice stool, just everything else is wrong. Ilove her so much, I just dont know what to do for her, she loves to come outand we walk up
 one side of the house and back, and thats it she stiffens upand goes down and cant walk anymore, i am in fear she may be in painijust dont know what to do for her, she loves me and she loves toeat,anyone please tell me something..SincerelyCarriewww.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.comwww.alleycatangels.orgwww.adoptacat53.com- Original Message -From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:31 PMSubject: Re: Welcome Rebecca> LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food ortuna is for> her! She's very descriptive about how much meat grosses her out. :-)~>> I used to be vegetarian for a while, but got lazy, and hamburg helper isabout all we> eat these days unless it come in a microwavable carton. They don't makeeasy quick> vegetarian foods out of a box...
 which is too bad, because that makes mecontinue to> be a meat eater. If it involves more than one pot... I'm not cooking it.>> Anyways, we're all very tolerate of the vegans here, and try to understandtheir> point of view. I think you'll feel very welcomed here!>> Jenn> http://ucat.us> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html> Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:> http://ucat.us/adopt.html> Adopt a FIV+ cat:> http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/> Adopt a FELV+ cat:> http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html> "Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will makea world of> difference for that one animal.">~~~> I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needscat who must> live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.> Bazil's caretaker
 collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add upuntil she> earns a free can of formula!> PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!>> If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address tosend them> to! --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005>>

Re: New Member

2005-11-25 Thread wendy

Congratulations Carrie.  Continued health to your
kitty~!

--- carrie chance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No test, just a guess my vet was researching several
> things as well as 2 members on 
> this board found other places to post my plea ands
> one of those came back as this as well
> so we took a chance and yes I am very thankful, i
> just hope its a continuing thing
> and not a one time thing, but she has never acted
> like this in a long time, 
> thankful I am today!
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:32 PM
>   Subject: Re: New Member
> 
> 
>   Carrie,
>   That is wonderful news!!  What better reason could
> you have to give thanks today, huh?
>   Was her diagnosis toxoplasmosis? Just wondering, I
> remember seeing the bloodwork and talk of FIP.  Just
> wondering if I missed a post?
>   Anyway, I am so happy for both you and your kitty.
>  I pray for continued improvement & good health.
>   Hugs,
>   Patti
> 




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Re: New Member

2005-11-25 Thread Allie Deaver

Carrie-
She has fluid buildup in her chest, which was greatly helped with a
diuretic and tested positive for FeLV. Other than that, she's a
completely normal little kitten. Any ideas from you? So far, I've heard
that it might be cardiomyopathy. Do you think it could also be
something else?

AllieOn 11/25/05, hd cc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Allie, 
 
what is wrong with your kitten?
 
Sincerely Carrie
 
www.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.com
www.alleycatangels.orgwww.adoptacat53.com

  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
  Allie 
  Deaver 
  To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: New Member
  That's amazing, Carrie! I'm hoping for similar results for my 
  kitten, now that I have some advice other than 'Put her to sleep' thanks to 
  this wonderful group!Allie
  On 11/24/05, carrie 
  chance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  okay 
thanks to a few of your members and the hard work and knowledgewe have 
assumed it was toxoplasmosis and started her on the medsAND TODAY AFTER 
3 DOSES MY KITTEN IS UP PLAYING ANDABLE TO WALK FURTHER THAN SHE HAS ALL 
MONTH! IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES AND I CANT BELEIVE WHAT IM SEEING, so 
hopefully with continued use she willbe on her wayTHANK YOU 
ALL- Original Message -From: "carrie chance" 
< [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
    <>Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:59 PMSubject: Re: New 
Member> Okay here are the results> this is long and 
took me forever to type>> ALK30 
> ALT 50> AST 
42> ALBUMIN3 
3> TOTAL PROTEIN85> 
GLOBULIN5 2> TOTAL 
BILIIRUBIN 0 1> 
DIRECT BILIRUBIN0 0> 
BUN18> 
CREATININE0 9 > 
CHOLESTEROL168> 
GLUCOSE88> 
CALCIUM12.1> 
PHOSPHORUS8.0> 
CHLORIDE107> 
POTASSIUM5.8> 
SODIUM153> A/G 
RATIO06> B/C 
RATIO20 0> INDIRECT 
BILIRUBIN0 1> NA/K 
RATIO26> HEMOLYSIS 
INDEX25> LIPEMIA 
INDEX43> 
WBC15.6> 
RBC6.51> 
HGB   10.2> 
HCT31.7> 
MCV49> 
MCH15.7> 
MCHC32.2> NEUTROPHIL 
SEG79> 
LYMPHOCYTES12> 
MONOCYTES6> 
EOSINOPHIL3> AUTO 
PLATELET276 > SLIDE 
REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY> NO HEMOBARTONELLA (NOW CALLED MYCOPASMA) 
SEEN> PLATELETS-CLUMPED>> ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHIL 
SEG12324> ABSOLUTE 
LYMPHOCYTE  1872  ABSOLUTE 
MONOCYTE936> ABSOLUTE 
EOSINOPHIL468>> 
FIP ADD ON TEST: NO ANTIBODY PRESENT @ 1:100> - Original Message 
-> From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM> Subject: RE: New Member 
>>> You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at 
University of Glasgow and they> can do a profile test for FIP - it's 
the closest diagnostic tool around,> she has dedicated her last two 
decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP - > every time, I suspect FIP 
on my kitties, I consider using them --->> Again, we will see 
    what the blood work say when you post it.>> -Original 
Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of carrie chance> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: New Member>> I have her on pedialite, took her 
off antibiotics (they werent helping)> and > have taken her to 
3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP,> and the 3rd 
gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So> 
no> one knows whats wrong...its really weird >> I will 
let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you> asked 
about a fever, no fever, just warm> and her tummy though it looks 
like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools> > vets into 
thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always> looked 
like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all>> - 
Original Message -> From: < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: 
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM> Subject: RE: New 
Member>> >> Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the 
list.  That really is difficult, and>>> tugs at 
my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he 
never>> thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd 
eyelids would come out > . He>> wa

Re: New Member

2005-11-25 Thread hd cc




Allie, 
 
what is wrong with your kitten?
 
Sincerely Carrie
 
www.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.comwww.alleycatangels.orgwww.adoptacat53.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Allie 
  Deaver 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: New Member
  That's amazing, Carrie! I'm hoping for similar results for my 
  kitten, now that I have some advice other than 'Put her to sleep' thanks to 
  this wonderful group!Allie
  On 11/24/05, carrie 
  chance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  okay 
thanks to a few of your members and the hard work and knowledgewe have 
assumed it was toxoplasmosis and started her on the medsAND TODAY AFTER 
3 DOSES MY KITTEN IS UP PLAYING ANDABLE TO WALK FURTHER THAN SHE HAS ALL 
MONTH! IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES AND I CANT BELEIVE WHAT IM SEEING, so 
hopefully with continued use she willbe on her wayTHANK YOU 
ALL- Original Message -From: "carrie chance" 
< [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
<>Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:59 PMSubject: Re: New 
Member> Okay here are the results> this is long and 
took me forever to type>> ALK30 
> ALT 50> AST 
42> ALBUMIN3 
3> TOTAL PROTEIN85> 
GLOBULIN5 2> TOTAL 
BILIIRUBIN 0 1> 
DIRECT BILIRUBIN0 0> 
BUN18> 
CREATININE0 9 > 
CHOLESTEROL168> 
GLUCOSE88> 
CALCIUM12.1> 
PHOSPHORUS8.0> 
CHLORIDE107> 
POTASSIUM5.8> 
SODIUM153> A/G 
RATIO06> B/C 
RATIO20 0> INDIRECT 
BILIRUBIN0 1> NA/K 
RATIO26> HEMOLYSIS 
INDEX25> LIPEMIA 
INDEX43> 
WBC15.6> 
RBC6.51> 
HGB   10.2> 
HCT31.7> 
MCV49> 
MCH15.7> 
MCHC32.2> NEUTROPHIL 
SEG79> 
LYMPHOCYTES12> 
MONOCYTES6> 
EOSINOPHIL3> AUTO 
PLATELET276 > SLIDE 
REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY> NO HEMOBARTONELLA (NOW CALLED MYCOPASMA) 
SEEN> PLATELETS-CLUMPED>> ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHIL 
SEG12324> ABSOLUTE 
LYMPHOCYTE  1872  ABSOLUTE 
MONOCYTE936> ABSOLUTE 
EOSINOPHIL468>> 
FIP ADD ON TEST: NO ANTIBODY PRESENT @ 1:100> ----- Original Message 
-> From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM> Subject: RE: New Member 
>>> You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at 
University of Glasgow and they> can do a profile test for FIP - it's 
the closest diagnostic tool around,> she has dedicated her last two 
decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP - > every time, I suspect FIP 
on my kitties, I consider using them --->> Again, we will see 
what the blood work say when you post it.>> -Original 
Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of carrie chance> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: New Member>> I have her on pedialite, took her 
off antibiotics (they werent helping)> and > have taken her to 
3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP,> and the 3rd 
gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So> 
no> one knows whats wrong...its really weird >> I will 
let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you> asked 
about a fever, no fever, just warm> and her tummy though it looks 
like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools> > vets into 
thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always> looked 
like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all>> - 
Original Message -> From: < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: 
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM> Subject: RE: New 
Member>> >> Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the 
list.  That really is difficult, and>>> tugs at 
my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he 
never>> thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd 
eyelids would come out > . He>> was less than a year when I 
got him, and maybe going on 2 when he> died.>>>> 
I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine> 
for>> the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin 
C mixed in.  I use >> powder, mixed with wet food, or 
sometimes mix with water and use oral>> syringe

Re: New Member

2005-11-24 Thread carrie chance




No test, just a guess my vet was researching several things as well as 2 
members on 
this board found other places to post my plea ands one of those came back 
as this as well
so we took a chance and yes I am very thankful, i just hope its a 
continuing thing
and not a one time thing, but she has never acted like this in a long time, 

thankful I am today!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:32 
  PM
  Subject: Re: New Member
  
  Carrie,
  That is wonderful news!!  What better reason could you have to give 
  thanks today, huh?
  Was her diagnosis toxoplasmosis? Just wondering, I remember seeing the 
  bloodwork and talk of FIP.  Just wondering if I missed a post?
  Anyway, I am so happy for both you and your kitty.  I pray for 
  continued improvement & good health.
  Hugs,
  Patti

Re: New Member

2005-11-24 Thread felv

Wonderful! I'm so happy for you and her!

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!
~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has 
your
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it 
curable.
Ask me today how you can test for Trich!



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Re: New Member

2005-11-24 Thread PEC2851




Carrie,
That is wonderful news!!  What better reason could you have to give 
thanks today, huh?
Was her diagnosis toxoplasmosis? Just wondering, I remember seeing the 
bloodwork and talk of FIP.  Just wondering if I missed a post?
Anyway, I am so happy for both you and your kitty.  I pray for 
continued improvement & good health.
Hugs,
Patti

Re: New Member

2005-11-24 Thread Allie Deaver

That's amazing, Carrie! I'm hoping for similar results for my kitten,
now that I have some advice other than 'Put her to sleep' thanks to
this wonderful group!

AllieOn 11/24/05, carrie chance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
okay thanks to a few of your members and the hard work and knowledgewe have assumed it was toxoplasmosis and started her on the medsAND TODAY AFTER 3 DOSES MY KITTEN IS UP PLAYING ANDABLE TO WALK FURTHER THAN SHE HAS ALL MONTH! IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES
AND I CANT BELEIVE WHAT IM SEEING, so hopefully with continued use she willbe on her wayTHANK YOU ALL- Original Message -From: "carrie chance" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <>Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:59 PMSubject: Re: New Member> Okay here are the results> this is long and took me forever to type>> ALK30
> ALT 50> AST 42> ALBUMIN3 3> TOTAL PROTEIN85> GLOBULIN5 2> TOTAL BILIIRUBIN 0 1> DIRECT BILIRUBIN0 0> BUN18> CREATININE0 9
> CHOLESTEROL168> GLUCOSE88> CALCIUM12.1> PHOSPHORUS8.0> CHLORIDE107> POTASSIUM5.8> SODIUM153> A/G RATIO06
> B/C RATIO20 0> INDIRECT BILIRUBIN0 1> NA/K RATIO26> HEMOLYSIS INDEX25> LIPEMIA INDEX43> WBC15.6> RBC6.51> HGB   10.2
> HCT31.7> MCV49> MCH15.7> MCHC32.2> NEUTROPHIL SEG79> LYMPHOCYTES12> MONOCYTES6> EOSINOPHIL3> AUTO PLATELET276
> SLIDE REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY> NO HEMOBARTONELLA (NOW CALLED MYCOPASMA) SEEN> PLATELETS-CLUMPED>> ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHIL SEG12324>
ABSOLUTE
LYMPHOCYTE  1872  ABSOLUTE
MONOCYTE936> ABSOLUTE EOSINOPHIL468>> FIP ADD ON TEST: NO ANTIBODY PRESENT @ 1:100> - Original Message -> From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM> Subject: RE: New Member
>>> You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at University of Glasgow and they> can do a profile test for FIP - it's the closest diagnostic tool around,> she has dedicated her last two decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP -
> every time, I suspect FIP on my kitties, I consider using them --->> Again, we will see what the blood work say when you post it.>> -Original Message-> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of carrie chance> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: New Member>> I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping)> and
> have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP,> and the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So> no> one knows whats wrong...its really weird
>> I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you> asked about a fever, no fever, just warm> and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools>
> vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always> looked like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all>> - Original Message -> From: <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM> Subject: RE: New Member>>
>> Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and>>> tugs at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never>> thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out
> . He>> was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he> died.>>>> I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine> for>> the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use
>> powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral>> syringe to squirt it in the mouth.>>>> Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get> interpreted
>> fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't> show>> up on the blood test.>>>> You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've
> used>> Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested>>> Zithromax.>>>> I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't> become
>> dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.>>>> Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a> test(s)>> for that.>>
&g

Re: New Member

2005-11-24 Thread carrie chance


okay thanks to a few of your members and the hard work and knowledge
we have assumed it was toxoplasmosis and started her on the meds
AND TODAY AFTER 3 DOSES MY KITTEN IS UP PLAYING AND
ABLE TO WALK FURTHER THAN SHE HAS ALL MONTH! IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES
AND I CANT BELEIVE WHAT IM SEEING, so hopefully with continued use she will 
be on her way

THANK YOU ALL

- Original Message - 
From: "carrie chance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: New Member



Okay here are the results
this is long and took me forever to type

ALK30
ALT 50
AST 42
ALBUMIN3 3
TOTAL PROTEIN85
GLOBULIN5 2
TOTAL BILIIRUBIN 0 1
DIRECT BILIRUBIN0 0
BUN18
CREATININE0 9
CHOLESTEROL168
GLUCOSE88
CALCIUM12.1
PHOSPHORUS8.0
CHLORIDE107
POTASSIUM5.8
SODIUM153
A/G RATIO06
B/C RATIO20 0
INDIRECT BILIRUBIN0 1
NA/K RATIO26
HEMOLYSIS INDEX25
LIPEMIA INDEX43
WBC15.6
RBC6.51
HGB   10.2
HCT31.7
MCV49
MCH15.7
MCHC32.2
NEUTROPHIL SEG79
LYMPHOCYTES12
MONOCYTES6
EOSINOPHIL3
AUTO PLATELET276
SLIDE REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY
NO HEMOBARTONELLA (NOW CALLED MYCOPASMA) SEEN
PLATELETS-CLUMPED

ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHIL SEG12324
ABSOLUTE LYMPHOCYTE  1872  ABSOLUTE MONOCYTE936
ABSOLUTE EOSINOPHIL468

FIP ADD ON TEST: NO ANTIBODY PRESENT @ 1:100
- Original Message - 
From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: New Member


You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at University of Glasgow and they
can do a profile test for FIP - it's the closest diagnostic tool around,
she has dedicated her last two decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP -
every time, I suspect FIP on my kitties, I consider using them ---

Again, we will see what the blood work say when you post it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie chance
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: New Member

I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping)
and
have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP,
and the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So 
no

one knows whats wrong...its really weird

I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you
asked about a fever, no fever, just warm
and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools

vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always
looked like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: New Member



Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and


tugs at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never 
thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out

. He

was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he

died.


I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine

for
the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use 
powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral 
syringe to squirt it in the mouth.


Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get

interpreted

fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't

show

up on the blood test.

You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've

used

Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested



Zithromax.

I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't

become

dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.

Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a

test(s)

for that.

I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't

thrive,
that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about 
helping them thrive.


Best of luck,

Gloria




At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:

It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get

better

soon!

-Original Message-

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby

kitty

is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to

take

a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP

is

high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, yo

Re: New Member

2005-11-23 Thread Terri Brown





Nah -- she's been meownipulated.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' 
=^..^=
 
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: New Member
  Rebecca,It's so good to "meet" you and get to know you 
  andBrooklyn P for Putty tat O'Malley.  I cracked up whenI read 
  that.  I have news for you though.  It soundslike you have been 
  kitty-pated (like twitter-pated,but with kitties).  Now that this 
  kitty has stolenyour heart, you will never be the same.  Have 
  yougotten his stocking for Christmas yet?  lol.  I 
  tellpeople that don't like cats that they've never beenloved by 
  one.  Being that Brooklyn is around five, then there's agood 
  chance that he might fight off the FeLV virus andeventually test negative 
  for it.  Diet, supplements,and quality, informed care will help with 
  this. Unfortunately, fate, the ever present X-factor, alsohas a say in 
  Brooklyn's life.  All you can do is yourbest.I hope you enjoy 
  this group as I 
  do.:)Wendy__ 
  Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.http://farechase.yahoo.com

Re: New Member

2005-11-23 Thread carrie chance


Okay here are the results
this is long and took me forever to type

ALK30
ALT 50
AST 42
ALBUMIN3 3
TOTAL PROTEIN85
GLOBULIN5 2
TOTAL BILIIRUBIN 0 1
DIRECT BILIRUBIN0 0
BUN18
CREATININE0 9
CHOLESTEROL168
GLUCOSE88
CALCIUM12.1
PHOSPHORUS8.0
CHLORIDE107
POTASSIUM5.8
SODIUM153
A/G RATIO06
B/C RATIO20 0
INDIRECT BILIRUBIN0 1
NA/K RATIO26
HEMOLYSIS INDEX25
LIPEMIA INDEX43
WBC15.6
RBC6.51
HGB   10.2
HCT31.7
MCV49
MCH15.7
MCHC32.2
NEUTROPHIL SEG79
LYMPHOCYTES12
MONOCYTES6
EOSINOPHIL3
AUTO PLATELET276
SLIDE REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY
NO HEMOBARTONELLA (NOW CALLED MYCOPASMA) SEEN
PLATELETS-CLUMPED

ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHIL SEG12324
ABSOLUTE LYMPHOCYTE  1872  
ABSOLUTE MONOCYTE936

ABSOLUTE EOSINOPHIL468

FIP ADD ON TEST: NO ANTIBODY PRESENT @ 1:100
- Original Message - 
From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: New Member


You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at University of Glasgow and they
can do a profile test for FIP - it's the closest diagnostic tool around,
she has dedicated her last two decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP -
every time, I suspect FIP on my kitties, I consider using them ---

Again, we will see what the blood work say when you post it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie chance
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: New Member

I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping)
and
have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP,
and 
the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So no
one 
knows whats wrong...its really weird


I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you
asked 
about a fever, no fever, just warm

and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools

vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always
looked 
like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: New Member



Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and


tugs at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never 
thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out
. He 

was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he

died.


I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine
for 
the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use 
powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral 
syringe to squirt it in the mouth.


Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get
interpreted 

fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't
show 

up on the blood test.

You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've
used 

Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested



Zithromax.

I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't
become 

dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.

Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a
test(s) 

for that.

I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't
thrive, 
that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about 
helping them thrive.


Best of luck,

Gloria




At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:

It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get

better

soon!

-Original Message-

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby

kitty

is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to

take

a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP

is

high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs,

rough

coat), and it further suppressed his imm

Re: New Member

2005-11-23 Thread wendy

Rebecca,

It's so good to "meet" you and get to know you and
Brooklyn P for Putty tat O'Malley.  I cracked up when
I read that.  I have news for you though.  It sounds
like you have been kitty-pated (like twitter-pated,
but with kitties).  Now that this kitty has stolen
your heart, you will never be the same.  Have you
gotten his stocking for Christmas yet?  lol.  I tell
people that don't like cats that they've never been
loved by one.  

Being that Brooklyn is around five, then there's a
good chance that he might fight off the FeLV virus and
eventually test negative for it.  Diet, supplements,
and quality, informed care will help with this. 
Unfortunately, fate, the ever present X-factor, also
has a say in Brooklyn's life.  All you can do is your
best.

I hope you enjoy this group as I do.
:)
Wendy





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RE: New Member

2005-11-23 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at University of Glasgow and they
can do a profile test for FIP - it's the closest diagnostic tool around,
she has dedicated her last two decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP -
every time, I suspect FIP on my kitties, I consider using them ---

Again, we will see what the blood work say when you post it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie chance
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: New Member

I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping)
and
have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP,
and 
the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So no
one 
knows whats wrong...its really weird

I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you
asked 
about a fever, no fever, just warm
and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools

vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always
looked 
like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: New Member


> Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and

> tugs at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never 
> thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out
. He 
> was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he
died.
>
> I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine
for 
> the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use 
> powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral 
> syringe to squirt it in the mouth.
>
> Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get
interpreted 
> fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't
show 
> up on the blood test.
>
> You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've
used 
> Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested

> Zithromax.
>
> I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't
become 
> dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.
>
> Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a
test(s) 
> for that.
>
> I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't
thrive, 
> that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about 
> helping them thrive.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
> At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:
>>It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
>>what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get
better
>>soon!
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby
kitty
>>is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
>>could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to
take
>>a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP
is
>>high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
>>about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
>>want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
>>Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
>>after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
>>baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
>>hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
>>reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
>>his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs,
rough
>>coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him
within
>>72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
>>fatal.
>>
>>One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
>>careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
>>says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to
your
>>kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be
paying
>>for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
>>not surprised if your kitty has it, too.
>>
>>Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have
dry
>>form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and
ask
>>for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
>>symptoms of FIP, and they can tell yo

RE: New Member

2005-11-23 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

You might want to try holistic treatment on this kitty, sine her immune
system is already weaken, I will be concerned any traditional drug you
may give this kitty - I treat most of my cats homeopathically  and it
works really well on most of them..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie chance
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: New Member

oh my, I just read an article, Im not even sure what made me think of
it,
but I gave her revolution about a month ago, and the adverse reactions
are tremors and stiffness, is there a chance this is it? I just bathed
her 
incase,
and if so what can be done for her at this point from it?
I am looking at all options of what went wrong and where
and it appears this one matched,

carrie

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: New Member


> Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and

> tugs at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never 
> thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out
. He 
> was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he
died.
>
> I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine
for 
> the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use 
> powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral 
> syringe to squirt it in the mouth.
>
> Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get
interpreted 
> fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't
show 
> up on the blood test.
>
> You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've
used 
> Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested

> Zithromax.
>
> I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't
become 
> dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.
>
> Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a
test(s) 
> for that.
>
> I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't
thrive, 
> that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about 
> helping them thrive.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
> At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:
>>It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
>>what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get
better
>>soon!
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby
kitty
>>is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
>>could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to
take
>>a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP
is
>>high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
>>about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
>>want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
>>Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
>>after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
>>baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
>>hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
>>reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
>>his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs,
rough
>>coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him
within
>>72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
>>fatal.
>>
>>One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
>>careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
>>says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to
your
>>kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be
paying
>>for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
>>not surprised if your kitty has it, too.
>>
>>Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have
dry
>>form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and
ask
>>for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
>>symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think.
>>
>>Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in
>>pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down.  I recently had a
>>situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up
>>and a miracle ha

Re: New Member/Jenn




My boyfriend specifically said to me several times this past month "NO MORE 
CATS!". That means housecats, the ferals wont be in "his" space so that's OK. I 
tend to agree with him, 6 really is my maximum number in this apartment, any 
more would tend towards "hoarding".
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt 
a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html  Adopt a 
FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a 
FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving 
one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of 
difference for that one 
animal."~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to 
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Re: New Member

It is possible it's a bad reaction to Revolution. I'm constantly appalled that 
vets
PRESCRIBE the stuff to cats that are ill, weak, or unthrifty, as it CLEARLY 
states on
the label that it's NOT for use in weak, underweight, or unthrifty cats.

At this point, I think it should be pretty much clear of her system. Washing 
doesn't
help after the first 3 days, because it's a drug that absorbs THROUGH the skin, 
and
it would already be in the bloodstream in that time. Lots of fluids may help 
clear it
from her system faster, make sure she's drinking plenty, and offer wet food if 
she'll
accept it.

I would definitely NOT use the vet that prescribed Revolution to a weak cat, as
that's pure incompetence. I'm not saying that IS her problem, but it IS 
definitely a
possibility, and the effects could be permanent if that is the problem. My first
though on your description of her symptoms WAS poisoning, and Revolution is a 
POISON,
and is clearly not intended for use on weak cats.

Did all of this begin to happen AFTER you used the Revolution? None of the 
stiffness
or seizures BEFORE you used it? if so, you definitely need to report it as an 
adverse
reaction. I can help you with that if you are sure it was the revolution that 
caused
it.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal."
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!



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Re: New Member

Sounds like she may have been poisoned and gotten permanently damaged from it, 
or it
could be seizures caused by any number of things. Let me forward your post to 
the
handicats2 group, they have lot's of experience with brain issues there, and
something you said might strike a cord with some of them. I'll let you know 
what they
say. Does she always stagger and look off balance, or is she fine, and then it
happens, and then goes away?

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal."
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!



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Re: New Member

2005-11-22 Thread carrie chance


oh my, I just read an article, Im not even sure what made me think of it,
but I gave her revolution about a month ago, and the adverse reactions
are tremors and stiffness, is there a chance this is it? I just bathed her 
incase,

and if so what can be done for her at this point from it?
I am looking at all options of what went wrong and where
and it appears this one matched,

carrie

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: New Member


Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and 
tugs at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never 
thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He 
was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died.


I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for 
the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use 
powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral 
syringe to squirt it in the mouth.


Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted 
fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show 
up on the blood test.


You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used 
Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested 
Zithromax.


I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become 
dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.


Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) 
for that.


I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, 
that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about 
helping them thrive.


Best of luck,

Gloria




At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:

It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better
soon!

-Original Message-

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty
is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to take
a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP is
high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough
coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within
72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
fatal.

One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your
kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be paying
for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
not surprised if your kitty has it, too.

Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have dry
form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask
for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think.

Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in
pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down.  I recently had a
situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up
and a miracle happened and he came back.  Regardless whatever she has
(whether it's FIP or not).  Don't' ever give up a hope.  Everyday is a
gift you have with her.  Please treasure and fight with her (looks like
you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are
hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with
their furry babies.  And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for
you.  I am hoping that it's not FIP.  But I would really like to get a
copy of the blood work.  Ask your vet to fax to you.  Also if the blood
work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add
FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another
sample of blood.  The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's
website http://www.dr-addie.com/




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc

Re: New Member

2005-11-22 Thread carrie chance


I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping) and
have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP, and 
the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So no one 
knows whats wrong...its really weird


I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you asked 
about a fever, no fever, just warm
and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools 
vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always looked 
like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: New Member


Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and 
tugs at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never 
thrived, poor baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He 
was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died.


I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for 
the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use 
powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral 
syringe to squirt it in the mouth.


Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted 
fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show 
up on the blood test.


You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used 
Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested 
Zithromax.


I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become 
dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.


Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) 
for that.


I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, 
that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about 
helping them thrive.


Best of luck,

Gloria




At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:

It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better
soon!

-Original Message-

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty
is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to take
a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP is
high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough
coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within
72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
fatal.

One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your
kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be paying
for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
not surprised if your kitty has it, too.

Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have dry
form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask
for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think.

Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in
pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down.  I recently had a
situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up
and a miracle happened and he came back.  Regardless whatever she has
(whether it's FIP or not).  Don't' ever give up a hope.  Everyday is a
gift you have with her.  Please treasure and fight with her (looks like
you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are
hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with
their furry babies.  And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for
you.  I am hoping that it's not FIP.  But I would really like to get a
copy of the blood work.  Ask your vet to fax to you.  Also if the blood
work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add
FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another
sample of blood.

Re: New Member/Jenn

2005-11-22 Thread PEC2851





In a message dated 11/22/05 2:48:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Aww, 
  he's a pretty orange boy! (everyone here knows I'm a nut for that 
color

Hey Jenn!! 
My little 3-legged stray girl that was HBC is an 
absolutely stunning orange baby!(Pulling at your heart 
strings???)  LOL   
 
Patti

RE: New Member

2005-11-22 Thread gblane

Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list.  That really is difficult, and tugs 
at my heart.  My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never thrived, poor 
baby.  When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He was less than 
a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died.


I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for 
the URI.  250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in.  I use 
powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral 
syringe to squirt it in the mouth.


Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted 
fully.  For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show 
up on the blood test.


You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used 
Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases.  Someone suggested 
Zithromax.


I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become 
dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids.


Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) for 
that.


I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, 
that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about 
helping them thrive.


Best of luck,

Gloria




At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:

It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better
soon!

-Original Message-

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty
is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to take
a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP is
high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough
coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within
72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
fatal.

One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your
kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be paying
for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
not surprised if your kitty has it, too.

Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have dry
form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask
for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think.

Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in
pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down.  I recently had a
situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up
and a miracle happened and he came back.  Regardless whatever she has
(whether it's FIP or not).  Don't' ever give up a hope.  Everyday is a
gift you have with her.  Please treasure and fight with her (looks like
you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are
hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with
their furry babies.  And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for
you.  I am hoping that it's not FIP.  But I would really like to get a
copy of the blood work.  Ask your vet to fax to you.  Also if the blood
work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add
FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another
sample of blood.  The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's
website http://www.dr-addie.com/




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: New Member

I have tested my kitty and no FIV or FELV or anything like that, but I
was
told you guys are the smartest people around when
it comes to cats and kittens with problems. Heres mine!

Sasha is 3 months old, she was fine, but then never really looked right,
straggly and just not a healthy kitty, thin hair but did play and run
and
was alot of fun. Now she has URI, which is getting better and better,
but
since getting it she has really gone down hill, She is always warm, when
you
touch her she feels warm, and now sometimes her 3rd eyelids

RE: New Member

It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on
what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better
soon!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: New Member

Another suggestion, you might want to change the vet, too.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: New Member

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty
is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to take
a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP is
high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough
coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within
72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
fatal.

One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your
kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be paying
for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
not surprised if your kitty has it, too.

Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have dry
form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask
for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think.

Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in
pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down.  I recently had a
situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up
and a miracle happened and he came back.  Regardless whatever she has
(whether it's FIP or not).  Don't' ever give up a hope.  Everyday is a
gift you have with her.  Please treasure and fight with her (looks like
you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are
hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with
their furry babies.  And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for
you.  I am hoping that it's not FIP.  But I would really like to get a
copy of the blood work.  Ask your vet to fax to you.  Also if the blood
work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add
FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another
sample of blood.  The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's
website http://www.dr-addie.com/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: New Member

I have tested my kitty and no FIV or FELV or anything like that, but I
was
told you guys are the smartest people around when
it comes to cats and kittens with problems. Heres mine!

Sasha is 3 months old, she was fine, but then never really looked right,
straggly and just not a healthy kitty, thin hair but did play and run
and
was alot of fun. Now she has URI, which is getting better and better,
but
since getting it she has really gone down hill, She is always warm, when
you
touch her she feels warm, and now sometimes her 3rd eyelids cover her
eyes
for a second or 2 and she acts like she is not there, and then comes
back,
and also her legs are giving out on her, they stiffen up and she cant
move,
and she is very twitchy, her whole body twitches/tremors, something is
wrong, I did a blood panel and the vet said it was fine.
a few weeks ago she was given a shot of pennicillian,. and had an
allergic
reaction to it, her head swelled up and when the vet noticed it gave her
something to counter act it, i took her in originally cause she looked
poor,
sick and URI, could this shot have done it? Its almost like what ever is
wrong its in the nervous system or in the brain. Anyone ever hear
anything
similar to this. the vet thinks in one manner to put her down, but I
WONT,
she is eating and she has a nice stool, just everything else is wrong. I
love her so much, I just don

RE: New Member

Another suggestion, you might want to change the vet, too.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: New Member

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty
is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to take
a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP is
high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough
coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within
72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
fatal.

One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your
kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be paying
for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
not surprised if your kitty has it, too.

Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have dry
form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask
for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think.

Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in
pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down.  I recently had a
situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up
and a miracle happened and he came back.  Regardless whatever she has
(whether it's FIP or not).  Don't' ever give up a hope.  Everyday is a
gift you have with her.  Please treasure and fight with her (looks like
you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are
hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with
their furry babies.  And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for
you.  I am hoping that it's not FIP.  But I would really like to get a
copy of the blood work.  Ask your vet to fax to you.  Also if the blood
work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add
FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another
sample of blood.  The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's
website http://www.dr-addie.com/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: New Member

I have tested my kitty and no FIV or FELV or anything like that, but I
was
told you guys are the smartest people around when
it comes to cats and kittens with problems. Heres mine!

Sasha is 3 months old, she was fine, but then never really looked right,
straggly and just not a healthy kitty, thin hair but did play and run
and
was alot of fun. Now she has URI, which is getting better and better,
but
since getting it she has really gone down hill, She is always warm, when
you
touch her she feels warm, and now sometimes her 3rd eyelids cover her
eyes
for a second or 2 and she acts like she is not there, and then comes
back,
and also her legs are giving out on her, they stiffen up and she cant
move,
and she is very twitchy, her whole body twitches/tremors, something is
wrong, I did a blood panel and the vet said it was fine.
a few weeks ago she was given a shot of pennicillian,. and had an
allergic
reaction to it, her head swelled up and when the vet noticed it gave her
something to counter act it, i took her in originally cause she looked
poor,
sick and URI, could this shot have done it? Its almost like what ever is
wrong its in the nervous system or in the brain. Anyone ever hear
anything
similar to this. the vet thinks in one manner to put her down, but I
WONT,
she is eating and she has a nice stool, just everything else is wrong. I
love her so much, I just dont know what to do for her, she loves to come
out
and we walk up one side of the house and back, and thats it she stiffens
up
and goes down and cant walk anymore, i am in fear she may be in
paini
just dont know what to do for her, she loves me and she loves to
eat,anyone please tell me something..

Sincerely
Carrie

www.arlingtonkitten

RE: New Member

Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty
is having a difficult time.  One thing I would like to ask is that,
could you post the blood work on the post?  I really would like to take
a look at it myself and read it.  Especially TP and A/G ratio.  If TP is
high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you
about another viral disease.  If you haven't done already, you might
want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows.
Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much.  Henry died
after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill -
baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never
hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the
reaction from it.  Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow
his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough
coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within
72 hours.  They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very
fatal.

One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be
careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet
says.  You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your
kitty no matter how safe they say it is.  Otherwise you would be paying
for it.  A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am
not surprised if your kitty has it, too.

Does she have a fever?  The only concern I have is that she may have dry
form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask
for help.  They have many many educated people also who is expert in
symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think.

Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in
pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down.  I recently had a
situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up
and a miracle happened and he came back.  Regardless whatever she has
(whether it's FIP or not).  Don't' ever give up a hope.  Everyday is a
gift you have with her.  Please treasure and fight with her (looks like
you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are
hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with
their furry babies.  And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for
you.  I am hoping that it's not FIP.  But I would really like to get a
copy of the blood work.  Ask your vet to fax to you.  Also if the blood
work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add
FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another
sample of blood.  The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's
website http://www.dr-addie.com/




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: New Member

I have tested my kitty and no FIV or FELV or anything like that, but I
was
told you guys are the smartest people around when
it comes to cats and kittens with problems. Heres mine!

Sasha is 3 months old, she was fine, but then never really looked right,
straggly and just not a healthy kitty, thin hair but did play and run
and
was alot of fun. Now she has URI, which is getting better and better,
but
since getting it she has really gone down hill, She is always warm, when
you
touch her she feels warm, and now sometimes her 3rd eyelids cover her
eyes
for a second or 2 and she acts like she is not there, and then comes
back,
and also her legs are giving out on her, they stiffen up and she cant
move,
and she is very twitchy, her whole body twitches/tremors, something is
wrong, I did a blood panel and the vet said it was fine.
a few weeks ago she was given a shot of pennicillian,. and had an
allergic
reaction to it, her head swelled up and when the vet noticed it gave her
something to counter act it, i took her in originally cause she looked
poor,
sick and URI, could this shot have done it? Its almost like what ever is
wrong its in the nervous system or in the brain. Anyone ever hear
anything
similar to this. the vet thinks in one manner to put her down, but I
WONT,
she is eating and she has a nice stool, just everything else is wrong. I
love her so much, I just dont know what to do for her, she loves to come
out
and we walk up one side of the house and back, and thats it she stiffens
up
and goes down and cant walk anymore, i am in fear she may be in
paini
just dont know what to do for her, she loves me and she loves to
eat,anyone please tell me something..




Sincerely
Carrie

www.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.com
www.alleycatangels.org
www.adoptacat53.com

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Welcome Rebecca


> LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food
or
tuna is for
> her! She's very descriptive about h

Re: New Member

Aww, he's a pretty orange boy! (everyone here knows I'm a nut for that color)

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal."
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!



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