Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Was bloodwork the same in all? What was off? What was their WBC like, the BUN creatinine, the HCT? Were they eating well up to the time of getting sick? Any fever? Pam laurieskatz wrote: I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer. We did radon testing, air quality, mold, etc etc. Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your furkids. Is toxo contagious? Laurie */Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Kelley, I have no idea, but I thought I'd tell you my own circumstances. Over the years mine have seemed to die quite suddenly from an illness anywhere between 9 and 12 years of age. In groups. Nothing has ever been connected. We'll go years where everyone is fine, and then in one year I lost 3. all to different causes. (Only one that I've lost was felv+). I think when we take in rescues we have to realize that they are more likely to have physical problems due to not being taken care of, inbreeding, being in a shelter, etc... and they are just more likely not going to live a 20 year lifetime like we hope they will. Maybe something is going on at your house, and I'm sure you've got lots of good advice right now, but try not to 'blame yourself' for these kinds of things. When you're working in rescue it happens. I lost one adult and 2 kittens last summer season. Popeye was about 11 and we think he suffered a stroke, but we really don't know for sure. take care, tonya Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Any chance this is related to the food recall? - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Was bloodwork the same in all? What was off? What was their WBC like, the BUN creatinine, the HCT? Were they eating well up to the time of getting sick? Any fever? Pam laurieskatz wrote: I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer. We did radon testing, air quality, mold, etc etc. Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your furkids. Is toxo contagious? Laurie */Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
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Hi Pam! I seem to run into you wherever I go! How are you? Laurie (aka Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper and Winston) - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Was bloodwork the same in all? What was off? What was their WBC like, the BUN creatinine, the HCT? Were they eating well up to the time of getting sick? Any fever? Pam laurieskatz wrote: I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer. We did radon testing, air quality, mold, etc etc. Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your furkids. Is toxo contagious? Laurie */Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
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I love tuxedos, too. My first cat, when I was very little, was a tuxedo. I named her Marie after the lady who checked us out at the A P! I also love the fact that your cats can spy on each other! Plus all the other stuff. What crystals do you use to collect negative energy? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn. In my felv+ room, the cats have their salt rock lamp, their airpurifier w/ ionizer, soundscapes music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies. And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying? Their room, which is also my office library, has windows all along on 3 sides where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as birdbaths. Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where they can spy on my other cats vice versa.. I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to always have 4, make sense? And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back. She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ the non felv cats. I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 days, until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo behold, once we started testing spaying general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+. So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon seizures) for another 2 months of quarantine. I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st. What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just deal with it. It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before we had the chance to get them all tested. At the time we took them, we had no idea there were felv+ in the mix. Lillian, the one pos. cat, is now living the high life in the felv+ room w/ Ursula, Princess Naughty Lola Papillon (AKAS Pappy).. She is an adorable tuxie. I love tuxedos. I have 6. What can you say about a cat that is always dressed up in his / her party clothes? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
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I use some crystal eggs from China, that are sold @ my local New Age store. They are kinda irridescent in color. The hard part is keeping the cats from drinking the water, so I have to put them up high. When my cats had living room / kitchen privileges, (they have been revoked due to bad behaviors. :( kitties would drink the water and then go on a tear.. So, I think that it must have been working, only just don't let them drink the water.Make sense? They are also not allowed to listen to swing music while I am out, last time they did they tore up the house, swing dancing I guess...? Only soundscapes, classical or reggae. And they are not allowed to watch the Animal Planet while I am out, too scary for them. One night I was up late watching it, and Princess Pearl (she is a tiny tux) was w/ me (see earlier post about her previous life). The Animal Cops were on, and they were netting cats in a house full of 200+. Purr-la walked up to the tv and her eyes got HUGE.. She was remembering when she was netted in her former home. So, they are allowed to watch the decorating channel while I am out, and they do pick up some nice tips for their room enclosure. They are not allowed to pick their paint color though. I also have Polly Go Lighty, a polydactyl tux girl. She was abandoned as a tiny kitten in the parking lot of the Humane Society where I worked. Just tossed out like trash... She had no fur, because she was covered in mange ringworm. She had URI so bad that her nose was a bloody mess, we thought her nose was actually missing @ first. We thought that because someone had cut off her tail, which was a bloody stump w/ no fur. Polly is fine now, she likes to wash her paws in the water bowls so I am always having to change them. LOTS of polys do this, and drink this way, w/ their paws And I have 4 other tuxes, Marley Bear, ( he has the Groncho moustache) Sugar Buggers (chronic URI) Weezer Jeeves (semi feral siblings).. Yes, kitties can spy everywhere in this house. It is an L shape, w/ the cattery wrapping around the back part, make sense? I also have 15 lite doors on all rooms, so spying is easy... :) Susan J. Dubose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please I love tuxedos, too. My first cat, when I was very little, was a tuxedo. I named her Marie after the lady who checked us out at the A P! I also love the fact that your cats can spy on each other! Plus all the other stuff. What crystals do you use to collect negative energy? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn. In my felv+ room, the cats have their salt rock lamp, their airpurifier w/ ionizer, soundscapes music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies. And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying? Their room, which is also my office library, has windows all along on 3 sides where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as birdbaths. Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where they can spy on my other cats vice versa.. I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to always have 4, make sense? And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back. She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ the non felv cats. I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 days, until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo behold, once we started testing spaying general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+. So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon seizures) for another 2 months of quarantine. I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st. What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just deal with it. It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before we had the chance to get them all tested. At the time we took them, we had no idea there were felv+ in the mix. Lillian, the one pos. cat, is now living the high life in the felv+ room w/ Ursula, Princess Naughty Lola Papillon (AKAS Pappy).. She is an adorable
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Oooh! Love those kitties! And their loving kittymommies! Thanks for a GREAT letter! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:51 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: I use some crystal eggs from China, that are sold @ my local New Age store. They are kinda irridescent in color. The hard part is keeping the cats from drinking the water, so I have to put them up high. When my cats had living room / kitchen privileges, (they have been revoked due to bad behaviors. :( kitties would drink the water and then go on a tear.. So, I think that it must have been working, only just don't let them drink the water.Make sense? They are also not allowed to listen to swing music while I am out, last time they did they tore up the house, swing dancing I guess...? Only soundscapes, classical or reggae. And they are not allowed to watch the Animal Planet while I am out, too scary for them. One night I was up late watching it, and Princess Pearl (she is a tiny tux) was w/ me (see earlier post about her previous life). The Animal Cops were on, and they were netting cats in a house full of 200+. Purr-la walked up to the tv and her eyes got HUGE.. She was remembering when she was netted in her former home. So, they are allowed to watch the decorating channel while I am out, and they do pick up some nice tips for their room enclosure. They are not allowed to pick their paint color though. I also have Polly Go Lighty, a polydactyl tux girl. She was abandoned as a tiny kitten in the parking lot of the Humane Society where I worked. Just tossed out like trash... She had no fur, because she was covered in mange ringworm. She had URI so bad that her nose was a bloody mess, we thought her nose was actually missing @ first. We thought that because someone had cut off her tail, which was a bloody stump w/ no fur. Polly is fine now, she likes to wash her paws in the water bowls so I am always having to change them. LOTS of polys do this, and drink this way, w/ their paws And I have 4 other tuxes, Marley Bear, ( he has the Groncho moustache) Sugar Buggers (chronic URI) Weezer Jeeves (semi feral siblings).. Yes, kitties can spy everywhere in this house. It is an L shape, w/ the cattery wrapping around the back part, make sense? I also have 15 lite doors on all rooms, so spying is easy... :) Susan J. Dubose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please I love tuxedos, too. My first cat, when I was very little, was a tuxedo. I named her Marie after the lady who checked us out at the A P! I also love the fact that your cats can spy on each other! Plus all the other stuff. What crystals do you use to collect negative energy? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn. In my felv+ room, the cats have their salt rock lamp, their airpurifier w/ ionizer, soundscapes music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies. And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying? Their room, which is also my office library, has windows all along on 3 sides where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as birdbaths. Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where they can spy on my other cats vice versa.. I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to always have 4, make sense? And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back. She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ the non felv cats. I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 days, until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo behold, once we started testing spaying general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+. So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon seizures) for another 2 months of quarantine. I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st. What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just deal with it. It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before we had the chance to get them all tested. At the time we took them, we had
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Well, the little fur monsters are sucking all the $$$ outta my wallet. I told them the other day that they needed to get jobs to help out. They just laughed in my face and said, Yeah, right Meowmy!. Then they proceeded to hop on my computer order up more cat toys. They have their own checking account. This way I can watch how much money they spend. When they've all been particuliarly bad (peed in a shoe ?) I take their debit card and me the husband go out to dinner on them :) All you can eat catfish night.Mmm Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please Oooh! Love those kitties! And their loving kittymommies! Thanks for a GREAT letter! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
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hehehe...ok Su, I think you're startin to loose it!!! But hey, no more than the rest of us. I just got news on my Yorkshire terrorist's (adult rescue from 2 yrs. ago) recent heath problems...after spending over 3 Gs this year already, we are looking at surgery that could run another 6! I'm thinkin' of renaming him Ferrari. THAT way I can say, yeah, I live in a two room apartment, BUT I have a Ferrari! God help us ALL, we're ALL NUTS! T Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the little fur monsters are sucking all the $$$ outta my wallet. I told them the other day that they needed to get jobs to help out. They just laughed in my face and said, Yeah, right Meowmy!. Then they proceeded to hop on my computer order up more cat toys. They have their own checking account. This way I can watch how much money they spend. When they've all been particuliarly bad (peed in a shoe ?) I take their debit card and me the husband go out to dinner on them :) All you can eat catfish night.Mmm Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please Oooh! Love those kitties! And their loving kittymommies! Thanks for a GREAT letter! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
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THAT'S way t funny... :) Yes, I am putty in their furry little paws. And I am now off for an afternoon nap w/ my fur babes, before I start my night time dog walks.. I owe, I owe (for cats!) it's off to nannying I gooo Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please hehehe...ok Su, I think you're startin to loose it!!! But hey, no more than the rest of us. I just got news on my Yorkshire terrorist's (adult rescue from 2 yrs. ago) recent heath problems...after spending over 3 Gs this year already, we are looking at surgery that could run another 6! I'm thinkin' of renaming him Ferrari. THAT way I can say, yeah, I live in a two room apartment, BUT I have a Ferrari! God help us ALL, we're ALL NUTS! T
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Kelley, I am so sorry this is happening. My heart goes out to you. I don't have any suggestions, but I will pray that you can figure out why this is happening. Gina Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, They eat Diamond Naturals Indoor Cat, which is not the best, but contains no wheat gluten. It isn't the worst either. They also eat Evo canned when I can afford it, which isn't always. I don't think it is the food, or anything like that..it is only affecting cats 5-12 yo. The kittens are ok. On 6/27/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the food? What do the eat? Was any of their food related to recall food? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the sheltr. I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia. I use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. I try to use simple green when I think it will work. The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5 year old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*. 3 of them were owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly. A great staff favaprote at T:AC I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system. On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No decks or fences? Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it touched the concrete. Any insecticides? Termite/roach/ants stuff? Any cleaning solutions? Bleaches? I'm not picking at you. Please don't think that. I know of other cases where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times we never find out what. Consider that there appears to be an increase in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our food, water, homes. If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her. The ones I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to science and the scientific method, just can't. Mine have convinced me that even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats. They have the ability to see as a cat. It is much like baby-proofing a house. You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc. You mentioned carpet. Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is outgassing. I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a scratching post (very good carpet remnant). It has been on the porch rail for 3 months outgassing. Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never make it into the house again. I am just trying to see how long it takes the odor to go away. Again, I am not picking at you. This awful set of events may be something entirely within the cars. I had 2 unrelated female cats several months apart die. I trapped them and had them spayed at different local vets. One had every test done before she was spayed. The other had just the basics done. Both appeared extremely healthy. Both were fine the night before they died but both died the third day. I was so totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on. Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything. One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with you. You have been thru so much. Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer. That is my prayer for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago
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Moi aussi. No dough here. Between the tiny buggers eating yummy high-protein food, their operations, their meddies, the absurd gas prices, etcetera, we're practically sharing their food, ha ha. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Well, the little fur monsters are sucking all the $$$ outta my wallet. I told them the other day that they needed to get jobs to help out. They just laughed in my face and said, Yeah, right Meowmy!. Then they proceeded to hop on my computer order up more cat toys. They have their own checking account. This way I can watch how much money they spend. When they've all been particuliarly bad (peed in a shoe ?) I take their debit card and me the husband go out to dinner on them :) All you can eat catfish night.Mmm Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please Oooh! Love those kitties! And their loving kittymommies! Thanks for a GREAT letter! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
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Hi Kelley, I am so sorry for what you are going through. If it is FIP, maybe you have a chronic FeCov shedder with a more easily mutating strain? I know regular old FeCov is gonna be present in any rescue, but if more than 5-10% of your cats are getting FIP, maybe a nastier strain is the problem. Not sure how possible or practical it is to do the titer testing that Dr. Addie recommends to identify chronic shedders when it's a rescue and funds and space are limited. Can you break up the group at your house into separate foster homes? (I know, easier said than done). Don't know how much a necropsy runs, maybe do at least one when someone passes with the most common symptoms that you are seeing in the group? The dehydration, anorexia, and weight loss were all present in the kitten that I lost last summer to suspected FIP, but there was also recurring high fever that became unresponsive to antibiotics. (She had the wet form, not dry). Have any had their A/G ratio run to help rule FIP in or out? It may not be FIP at all, maybe it is a horrible coincidence that they got sick from different things at the same time. Who knows what kinds of care and feeding these guys have ever had in their pasts. Hugs and strength to you for helping those most in need. Beth On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Hideyo, They eat Diamond Naturals Indoor Cat, which is not the best, but contains no wheat gluten. It isn't the worst either. They also eat Evo canned when I can afford it, which isn't always. I don't think it is the food, or anything like that..it is only affecting cats 5-12 yo. The kittens are ok. On 6/27/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the food? What do the eat? Was any of their food related to recall food? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the sheltr. I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia. I use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. I try to use simple green when I think it will work. The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5 year old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*. 3 of them were owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly. A great staff favaprote at T:AC I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system. On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No decks or fences? Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it touched the concrete. Any insecticides? Termite/roach/ants stuff? Any cleaning solutions? Bleaches? I'm not picking at you. Please don't think that. I know of other cases where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times we never find out what. Consider that there appears to be an increase in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our food, water, homes. If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her. The ones I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to science and the scientific method, just can't. Mine have convinced me that even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats. They have the ability to see as a cat. It is much like baby-proofing a house. You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc. You mentioned carpet. Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is outgassing. I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a scratching post (very good carpet remnant). It has been on the porch rail for 3 months outgassing. Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never make it into the house again. I am just trying to see how long it takes the odor to go away. Again, I am not picking at you. This awful set of events may be something entirely within the cars. I had 2 unrelated female cats several months apart die. I trapped them and had them spayed at different local vets. One had every test done before she was spayed. The other had just the basics done. Both appeared extremely healthy. Both were fine the night before they died but both died the third day. I was so totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on. Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything. One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with you. You have been thru so much. Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer. That is my prayer for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Kelly, Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill. I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you. You are in my prayers, as are your cats. Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault. When you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later. I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing. Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I shared an office with once was. Our team was having a HUGE run of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie. Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to which I remember thinkin' ok, SHE'S nuts!) Once she moved the sage to the door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb. Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away! We all started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our office again. Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained. Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work. God Bless, Good luck, T On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Tamara -- This is too cool. I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's. And in any case, unless someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Kelly, Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill. I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you. You are in my prayers, as are your cats. Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault. When you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later. I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing. Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I shared an office with once was. Our team was having a HUGE run of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie. Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to which I remember thinkin' ok, SHE'S nuts!) Once she moved the sage to the door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb. Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away! We all started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our office again. Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained. Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work. God Bless, Good luck, T On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo
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Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem??? Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamara -- This is too cool. I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's. And in any case, unless someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie! Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Kelly, Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill. I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you. You are in my prayers, as are your cats. Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault. When you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later. I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing. Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I shared an office with once was. Our team was having a HUGE run of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie. Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to which I remember thinkin' ok, SHE'S nuts!) Once she moved the sage to the door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb. Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away! We all started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our office again. Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained. Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work. God Bless, Good luck, T On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
You aren't nuts. I have too many friends who smudge (use sage the way you described). It is common in Native American cultures and even some Christian religions (using incense at funerals etc). It is definitely worth the effort---most of my friends try to get white sage and it has a wonderful odor. They also believe in burning candles of various colors. I think green attracts health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors would give this information. If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something. And that may make you feel better. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem??? Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamara -- This is too cool. I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's. And in any case, unless someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Kelly, Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill. I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you. You are in my prayers, as are your cats. Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault. When you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later. I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing. Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I shared an office with once was. Our team was having a HUGE run of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie. Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to which I remember thinkin' ok, SHE'S nuts!) Once she moved the sage to the door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb. Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away! We all started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our office again. Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained. Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work. God Bless, Good luck, T On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin
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Smudging isn't new age. It's very old, a Native American ritual. I ocassionally smudge the entire house, walking from room to room and smudging the 4 corners of every room in a clockwise motion. View the cats through the smoke and smudge them too. (And I love the smell.) Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You aren't nuts. I have too many friends who smudge (use sage the way you described). It is common in Native American cultures and even some Christian religions (using incense at funerals etc). It is definitely worth the effort---most of my friends try to get white sage and it has a wonderful odor. They also believe in burning candles of various colors. I think green attracts health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors would give this information. If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something. And that may make you feel better. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem??? Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamara -- This is too cool. I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's. And in any case, unless someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie! Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Kelly, Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill. I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you. You are in my prayers, as are your cats. Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault. When you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later. I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing. Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I shared an office with once was. Our team was having a HUGE run of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie. Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to which I remember thinkin' ok, SHE'S nuts!) Once she moved the sage to the door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb. Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away! We all started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our office again. Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained. Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work. God Bless, Good luck, T On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
You have to look at percentages. 4 out of how many? Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a normal rate of death. It is exceesively high. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with them, and what hidden conditions. yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats. MC On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a normal rate of death. It is exceesively high. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
absolutely, susan! On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smudging isn't new age. It's very old, a Native American ritual. I ocassionally smudge the entire house, walking from room to room and smudging the 4 corners of every room in a clockwise motion. View the cats through the smoke and smudge them too. (And I love the smell.) *Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: You aren't nuts. I have too many friends who smudge (use sage the way you described). It is common in Native American cultures and even some Christian religions (using incense at funerals etc). It is definitely worth the effort---most of my friends try to get white sage and it has a wonderful odor. They also believe in burning candles of various colors. I think green attracts health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors would give this information. If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something. And that may make you feel better. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM *Subject:* RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem??? *Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Tamara -- This is too cool. I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's. And in any case, unless someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie! Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *tamara stickler *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Kelly, Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill. I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you. You are in my prayers, as are your cats. Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault. When you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later. I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing. Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I shared an office with once was. Our team was having a HUGE run of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who stalked around *screaming* at people like a skitzoid-harpie. Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to which I remember thinkin' ok, *SHE'S nuts*!) Once she moved the sage to the door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb. Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away! We all started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our office again. Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained. Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work. God Bless, Good luck, T On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
I lost 3 in January but all were obvious candidates -- one FIV+ cat with cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged kidneys from having been starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was more than 18 years old. So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and have a house full of cats who came from rough circumstances. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with them, and what hidden conditions. yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats. MC On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a normal rate of death. It is exceesively high. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
yep. lost gypsy in april, crosby two and a half weeks ago, and lexie on sunday. all three have been ill for quite awhile, and it was just their time. would i have scheduled it quite like that? of course not. right now, for the first time in a very long time, i have no sick cats i do, however, have one FeLV+ kitten, two FIV+ adults, and a number who are 13 and older. MC On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost 3 in January but all were obvious candidates -- one FIV+ cat with cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged kidneys from having been starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was more than 18 years old. So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and have a house full of cats who came from rough circumstances. *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with them, and what hidden conditions. yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats. MC On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a normal rate of death. It is exceesively high. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
I have an idea. I pull from the same city facility as Kelly does. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me You have to look at percentages. 4 out of how many? Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a normal rate of death. It is exceesively high. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me/environment
I'm loosing a few too many right now also but for the most part, they have been diagnosed with something not terribly surprising, given their circumstances. But similar, vague symptoms, I think, is another story. One of our larger foster homes had a fire. For a few years after, cats would suddenly come down with the same symptoms, with no explainations - weight loss, dehydration, great blood work. There are a lot of toxins in an older house on fire. Another story - a friend's cat, lethargic, anorexic, suddenly eating weird things. Big time hospital in NYC, couldn't come up with anything. Moved cat out of house when mold was found from leak in wall or basement. Cat immediately got better. It is worth checking out your environment, I'm sorry to say. Good luck, big hugs, take a deep breath. Janine --- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep. lost gypsy in april, crosby two and a half weeks ago, and lexie on sunday. all three have been ill for quite awhile, and it was just their time. would i have scheduled it quite like that? of course not. right now, for the first time in a very long time, i have no sick cats i do, however, have one FeLV+ kitten, two FIV+ adults, and a number who are 13 and older. MC On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost 3 in January but all were obvious candidates -- one FIV+ cat with cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged kidneys from having been starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was more than 18 years old. So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and have a house full of cats who came from rough circumstances. *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with them, and what hidden conditions. yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats. MC On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a normal rate of death. It is exceesively high. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I
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I understand the ebb flow of the situation. I worked @ the Austin Humane Society for 4 yrs. as a clinic nurse and also worked in animal intake. I was also the foster care coordinator. When I would go to TLAC (our area A/C ) and walk dispo, I always made sure I pulled a project kitty for myself to work w/, help, and they usually were pretty jacked up..., to say the least. I didn't lose that many, however, many had chronic problems hence became permanent residence of Chez Mew Sometimes, w/ older animals, I believe they just get so depressed from being DUMPED by their loving families, that they just shut down, lose their will to live. Since Kelly is dealing w/ older cats, this could be part of the problem. Plus perhaps a rash of very bad luck. It happens. I have been pulling form shelters for 7 yrs, now, her number of lost cats seems high, but you are correct to say it can come go :( Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with them, and what hidden conditions. yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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That's just itnone of us really can be positive about what works and what doesn't. We can say what we have seen work in certain circumstances and for certain little friends but that is all. Bless you and all your efforts. I pulled up the shadowcat link. That is totally great. Take care. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: something is killing my cats, please Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn. In my felv+ room, the cats have their salt rock lamp, their airpurifier w/ ionizer, soundscapes music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies. And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying? Their room, which is also my office library, has windows all along on 3 sides where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as birdbaths. Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where they can spy on my other cats vice versa.. I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to always have 4, make sense? And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back. She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ the non felv cats. I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 days, until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo behold, once we started testing spaying general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+. So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon seizures) for another 2 months of quarantine. I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st. What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just deal with it. It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before we had the chance to get them all tested. At the time we took them, we had no idea there were felv+ in the mix. Lillian, the one pos. cat, is now living the high life in the felv+ room w/ Ursula, Princess Naughty Lola Papillon (AKAS Pappy).. She is an adorable tuxie. I love tuxedos. I have 6. What can you say about a cat that is always dressed up in his / her party clothes? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
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Mary Christine that is so true about cycles in the shelters.We seem to lose alot in April and June.Sounds wierd but it was like that last year and this year at Sids. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with them, and what hidden conditions. yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats. MC On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a normal rate of death. It is exceesively high. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Hi Kelley, I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be found when rescued with already compromised immune systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so others with experience will hopefully help you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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Shadow Cats was started a few years back, by Dr. Mrs. Roy Smith. Which is my vet his wife. Unfortunately, SCR began due to a very back situation (pseudo sanctuary) that came to light, where many cats died or ended up who knows where. Most of them were felv+ or fiv+. Hundreds hundreds, probably thousands of cats involved. The case is still pending and we are not sure if we will ever see justice. However, it made lots of people pull together and realize what they could accomplish. If everyone just did SOMETHING to help, no matter how small, it would make such a differnce in all charity work. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please That's just itnone of us really can be positive about what works and what doesn't. We can say what we have seen work in certain circumstances and for certain little friends but that is all. Bless you and all your efforts. I pulled up the shadowcat link. That is totally great. Take care. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
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Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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*Oh dear God Kelley... I'm so sorry you are dealing with all of this. I can imagine how frantic you must be. Are you feeling sick at all? Are you using any cleaning supplies that might be causing illness? Are you living in an older house that might have issues like this? I wish I had some good solid advice, but unfortunately until tests are run, we would all just be speculating. Please know we'll all be praying for you and your kitties... positive thoughts and energy certainly can't hurt!!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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*Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?* On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Leslie Lawther To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!? On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me *Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?* On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Kelley I am so sorry that you are experiencing this assault. It must be so difficult and so stressful. Our animals are often victims of what we have done to our environment (pesticides, herbicides, chemicals etc) and over vaccination and feeding poor quality food. It has been going on for too many years, and it seems that our animals are battling many more cancers and disease, and living shorter lives as a result. What's happening to your kitties may have more to do with the genetics that they were dealt, rather than your environment or their care. Jane On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Leslie Lawther To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!? On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist
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Do you have your house sprayed with pesticides? elizabeth On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me *Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?* On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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I had the outside sprayed for termites 2 years ago, and the inside sprayed for ants 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have your house sprayed with pesticides? elizabeth On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me *Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?* On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com
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I wish I knew what to tell youit may not be anything in your environment at all. I feel so bad for you. elizabeth On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the outside sprayed for termites 2 years ago, and the inside sprayed for ants 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have your house sprayed with pesticides? elizabeth On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me *Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?* On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph
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No decks or fences? Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it touched the concrete. Any insecticides? Termite/roach/ants stuff? Any cleaning solutions? Bleaches? I'm not picking at you. Please don't think that. I know of other cases where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times we never find out what. Consider that there appears to be an increase in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our food, water, homes. If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her. The ones I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to science and the scientific method, just can't. Mine have convinced me that even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats. They have the ability to see as a cat. It is much like baby-proofing a house. You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc. You mentioned carpet. Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is outgassing. I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a scratching post (very good carpet remnant). It has been on the porch rail for 3 months outgassing. Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never make it into the house again. I am just trying to see how long it takes the odor to go away. Again, I am not picking at you. This awful set of events may be something entirely within the cars. I had 2 unrelated female cats several months apart die. I trapped them and had them spayed at different local vets. One had every test done before she was spayed. The other had just the basics done. Both appeared extremely healthy. Both were fine the night before they died but both died the third day. I was so totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on. Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything. One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with you. You have been thru so much. Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer. That is my prayer for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Leslie Lawther To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the sheltr. I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia. I use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. I try to use simple green when I think it will work. The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5 year old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*. 3 of them were owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly. A great staff favaprote at T:AC I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system. On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No decks or fences? Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it touched the concrete. Any insecticides? Termite/roach/ants stuff? Any cleaning solutions? Bleaches? I'm not picking at you. Please don't think that. I know of other cases where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times we never find out what. Consider that there appears to be an increase in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our food, water, homes. If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her. The ones I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to science and the scientific method, just can't. Mine have convinced me that even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats. They have the ability to see as a cat. It is much like baby-proofing a house. You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc. You mentioned carpet. Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is outgassing. I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a scratching post (very good carpet remnant). It has been on the porch rail for 3 months outgassing. Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never make it into the house again. I am just trying to see how long it takes the odor to go away. Again, I am not picking at you. This awful set of events may be something entirely within the cars. I had 2 unrelated female cats several months apart die. I trapped them and had them spayed at different local vets. One had every test done before she was spayed. The other had just the basics done. Both appeared extremely healthy. Both were fine the night before they died but both died the third day. I was so totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on. Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything. One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with you. You have been thru so much. Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer. That is my prayer for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe
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On the over vaccination thought: There are homeopathic remedies that lessen the effects of vaccination. Homeopathy is a legitimate area of medicine used a lot in Europe (like acupuncture is used widely in Asia and not here). I don't know much about it but my alternative vets do and I depend on them a lot. FYI: My regular vets sent me to one of them so, while they can't explain why some of the things work, they know they do and are open to anything that does no harm. I have wonderful regular vets. I know I write about alternative vets a lot but I really believe in them, especially when circumstances are as bad as yours and your heart is tearing apart. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Kelley I am so sorry that you are experiencing this assault. It must be so difficult and so stressful. Our animals are often victims of what we have done to our environment (pesticides, herbicides, chemicals etc) and over vaccination and feeding poor quality food. It has been going on for too many years, and it seems that our animals are battling many more cancers and disease, and living shorter lives as a result. What's happening to your kitties may have more to do with the genetics that they were dealt, rather than your environment or their care. Jane On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood. (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long). Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc. It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers. Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated. They certainly weren't removed. There are questions about the current accepted treated woods. Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Leslie Lawther To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!? On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Vinegar is supposed to work as well as bleach. When you use bleach consider rinsing an extra time or two. It should help remove the bleach after it has done its job. If you have the space and litter boxes, leaving them in the sun/fresh air after cleaning them may help. If you believe it is stress related (again, my thoughts): Try Rescue Remedy in all the water bowls, Feliway spray (this may help with the pee problems too), One alternative vet gave me something called Cat Nap (Aromacat---Aromatherapy for cats) to help reduce the stress of moving for one of my little friends. There are Bach Remedies that help reduce the stress of being abandoned. White Chestnut, Red Chestnut, and Sweet Chestnut come to mind but I am no expert. I pick up the phone or email when I have problems. My little friends have all been abandoned or were/are feral and stress has been a major issue with them. I freely use animal communicators and have had wonderful luck reducing stress in them. This may be to far out for you. It is for a lot of people. I am just struggling to come up with things that have worked for me or for others I know. New thought: Someone, either on this list or a stomatitis list, had wonderful results with Just Born. I am not sure what the circumstances were but the colostrum in it might help boost the immune system, especially for the very young ones. I use the powdered in Dixie's food frequently just for the added nutrients. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the sheltr. I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia. I use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. I try to use simple green when I think it will work. The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5 year old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*. 3 of them were owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly. A great staff favaprote at T:AC I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system. On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No decks or fences? Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it touched the concrete. Any insecticides? Termite/roach/ants stuff? Any cleaning solutions? Bleaches? I'm not picking at you. Please don't think that. I know of other cases where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times we never find out what. Consider that there appears to be an increase in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our food, water, homes. If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her. The ones I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to science and the scientific method, just can't. Mine have convinced me that even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats. They have the ability to see as a cat. It is much like baby-proofing a house. You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc. You mentioned carpet. Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is outgassing. I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a scratching post (very good carpet remnant). It has been on the porch rail for 3 months outgassing. Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never make it into the house again. I am just trying to see how long it takes the odor to go away. Again, I am not picking at you. This awful set of events may be something entirely within the cars. I had 2 unrelated female cats several months apart die. I trapped them and had them spayed at different local vets. One had every test done before she was spayed. The other had just the basics done. Both appeared extremely healthy. Both were fine the night before they died but both died the third day. I was so totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on. Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything. One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at you
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
How about the food? What do the eat? Was any of their food related to recall food? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the sheltr. I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia. I use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. I try to use simple green when I think it will work. The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5 year old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*. 3 of them were owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly. A great staff favaprote at T:AC I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system. On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No decks or fences? Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it touched the concrete. Any insecticides? Termite/roach/ants stuff? Any cleaning solutions? Bleaches? I'm not picking at you. Please don't think that. I know of other cases where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times we never find out what. Consider that there appears to be an increase in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our food, water, homes. If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her. The ones I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to science and the scientific method, just can't. Mine have convinced me that even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats. They have the ability to see as a cat. It is much like baby-proofing a house. You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc. You mentioned carpet. Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is outgassing. I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a scratching post (very good carpet remnant). It has been on the porch rail for 3 months outgassing. Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never make it into the house again. I am just trying to see how long it takes the odor to go away. Again, I am not picking at you. This awful set of events may be something entirely within the cars. I had 2 unrelated female cats several months apart die. I trapped them and had them spayed at different local vets. One had every test done before she was spayed. The other had just the basics done. Both appeared extremely healthy. Both were fine the night before they died but both died the third day. I was so totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on. Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything. One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with you. You have been thru so much. Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer. That is my prayer for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me I don't have any wood. I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces. Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses. Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it. Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood
