Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
You have to do a new music spacing: in db Documents Options 'Music Spacing' choose 'Manual Positioning': 'Clear' That should do it. Greetings Raimund Lintzen dc schrieb: In files I'm revising, I'm finding notes that aren't properly spaced, and respacing the music them does not correct the problem (say, 4 16ths without any accidentals nor anything else going on at the same time that aren't regularly spaced). How can I get this back to normal? (I'm spending so much time cleaning up these files that I'm wondering if it wouldn't have been easier to do everything from scratch!) Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
Hi Dennis, I also stumbled over this phenomenon several times. In my case, explicitly loading a spacing table with File/Load Library (e.g. Fibonacci spacing) followed by respacing of the score always solved the problem. Martin Am 21.02.2010 10:48, schrieb dc: In files I'm revising, I'm finding notes that aren't properly spaced, and respacing the music them does not correct the problem (say, 4 16ths without any accidentals nor anything else going on at the same time that aren't regularly spaced). How can I get this back to normal? (I'm spending so much time cleaning up these files that I'm wondering if it wouldn't have been easier to do everything from scratch!) Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
If I remember rightly, I just did a copy and paste. I had already set up the correct time signatures in the new file. If you import one of the measures such as you posted into a standard default file with copy/paste, is the spacing problem still there? Michael On 21 Feb 2010, at 16:31, dc wrote: Florence + Michael écrit: I don't think removing changes with special tools will help, since the beat charts are irregular in the examples Dennis gave. I had this problem with a file I was sent. I made a new empty template and imported the music from the original file into it: that did the trick. I tried that also. But how did you import the music? I didn't send the file to tech support: maybe you should try that. I will when I hear back from the guy who sent me these files. Perhaps he has some clue as to what he did. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
Copy and insert is much more reliable than copy and paste when copying across documents. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com On 21 Feb 2010, at 12:58 PM, Florence + Michael wrote: If I remember rightly, I just did a copy and paste. I had already set up the correct time signatures in the new file. If you import one of the measures such as you posted into a standard default file with copy/paste, is the spacing problem still there? Michael On 21 Feb 2010, at 16:31, dc wrote: Florence + Michael écrit: I don't think removing changes with special tools will help, since the beat charts are irregular in the examples Dennis gave. I had this problem with a file I was sent. I made a new empty template and imported the music from the original file into it: that did the trick. I tried that also. But how did you import the music? I didn't send the file to tech support: maybe you should try that. I will when I hear back from the guy who sent me these files. Perhaps he has some clue as to what he did. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 79, Issue 21
Hi Dennis, I just tried what I think was wrong. My guess is that your guy did manual spacing with the special tools note mover thing, or he dragged things while in speedy note (it amounts to the same thing). In either case, the manual dragging will NOT be fixed by spacing commands, which leave manual spacing done with special tools intact. You can fix it, though, by choosing the note mover in special tools, drag-selecting all the handles, and hitting delete to clear the manual spacing. Give it a try. David Froom On 21 Feb 2010, at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: If I remember rightly, I just did a copy and paste. I had already set up the correct time signatures in the new file. If you import one of the measures such as you posted into a standard default file with copy/paste, is the spacing problem still there? Michael On 21 Feb 2010, at 16:31, dc wrote: Florence + Michael ?crit: I don't think removing changes with special tools will help, since the beat charts are irregular in the examples Dennis gave. I had this problem with a file I was sent. I made a new empty template and imported the music from the original file into it: that did the trick. I tried that also. But how did you import the music? I didn't send the file to tech support: maybe you should try that. I will when I hear back from the guy who sent me these files. Perhaps he has some clue as to what he did. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
Yes, generally copy and insert is preferable. But in this case I specifically wanted to get rid of the spacing anomalies in the original document. I don't know if pasting instead of inserting was what made the essential difference, but in any case I got the result I wanted: the new document spaced correctly. Michael On 21 Feb 2010, at 19:08, Darcy James Argue wrote: Copy and insert is much more reliable than copy and paste when copying across documents. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com On 21 Feb 2010, at 12:58 PM, Florence + Michael wrote: If I remember rightly, I just did a copy and paste. I had already set up the correct time signatures in the new file. If you import one of the measures such as you posted into a standard default file with copy/paste, is the spacing problem still there? Michael On 21 Feb 2010, at 16:31, dc wrote: Florence + Michael écrit: I don't think removing changes with special tools will help, since the beat charts are irregular in the examples Dennis gave. I had this problem with a file I was sent. I made a new empty template and imported the music from the original file into it: that did the trick. I tried that also. But how did you import the music? I didn't send the file to tech support: maybe you should try that. I will when I hear back from the guy who sent me these files. Perhaps he has some clue as to what he did. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 79, Issue 21
On 21 Feb 2010, at 19:23, David Froom wrote: Hi Dennis, I just tried what I think was wrong. My guess is that your guy did manual spacing with the special tools note mover thing, or he dragged things while in speedy note (it amounts to the same thing). But dragging like this does not change the beat charts. Look at the beat charts in the two examples that Dennis posted: they are irregular. Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
On 21 Feb 2010 at 17:38, dc wrote: Martin Gieseking écrit: I also stumbled over this phenomenon several times. In my case, explicitly loading a spacing table with File/Load Library (e.g. Fibonacci spacing) followed by respacing of the score always solved the problem. Thanks, Martin. Just tried that, and no change. Sorry for clogging up the list with so many messages, but this is the first time I'm really working on someone else's files, and I never imagined it could be so much trouble. Much easier to clean one's own mess than someone else's. I wonder if the file is carrying erroneous spacing tables from somewhere? I mean the font-related ones (can't remember the name), not the ones that are loaded in a spacing library. I've also experienced inexplicable situations where I would use an existing file as a template, put in new music and when I ran tight spacing on the end result (which was what I had in the source file) would end up with relatively wide spacing, with no way to force the file to use the same kind of tight spacing as the source file had used. Since the spacing is proportionally correct and nicely done, I can force more measures per system and end up with something OK (in most cases), but I'd much rather have it be automatic. Of coures, I'm using prehistoric Finale, 2003, so this kind of thing may be long gone for other users. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
Hi everyone: About two months ago, a conductor who I have as a friend on Facebook said he needed a score to a concerto in a hurry ( I assume for a concert project) and could anyone help him? I wrote to him that I had the file, and if he was agreeable to the fee of 100.00 USD, I'd send it to him. I had written to him previously about possible ideas for recording some editions of my music, but typically most of my E-mails went ignored-- I never heard back. Of course, when I initially wrote to him that I had the file he needed, he wrote back within 30 minutes. Well, it's been nearly a month and a half and I haven't been paid yet. I've written two very polite E-mail reminders and they've gone unanswered. This morning his Facebook page had a posting about a conducting gig he was occupied for a week. My first E-mail reminder pointed out that I was recently laid off from my full time job, and as an independent researcher, any freelance money for projects I do now is very important. I have heard some horror stories through the grapevine about cheap-skate conductors that don't live up to their word and will generally not pay bills and of course they get a reputation for being jerks. While I fault myself for not requiring a payment in advance now, should I comment on this conductor's Facebook page and ask why he's ignoring my Emails and requests for payment? I'd hate to put anyone on a spot like that in such a public forum, but I want my money. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
Look, he and you had an agreement. Written (email). Go and post on his facebook page, and if you don't hear anything, take him to small claims court. Just because he is a conductor doesn't mean he can screw you out of payment. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone: About two months ago, a conductor who I have as a friend on Facebook said he needed a score to a concerto in a hurry ( I assume for a concert project) and could anyone help him? I wrote to him that I had the file, and if he was agreeable to the fee of 100.00 USD, I'd send it to him. I had written to him previously about possible ideas for recording some editions of my music, but typically most of my E-mails went ignored-- I never heard back. Of course, when I initially wrote to him that I had the file he needed, he wrote back within 30 minutes. Well, it's been nearly a month and a half and I haven't been paid yet. I've written two very polite E-mail reminders and they've gone unanswered. This morning his Facebook page had a posting about a conducting gig he was occupied for a week. My first E-mail reminder pointed out that I was recently laid off from my full time job, and as an independent researcher, any freelance money for projects I do now is very important. I have heard some horror stories through the grapevine about cheap-skate conductors that don't live up to their word and will generally not pay bills and of course they get a reputation for being jerks. While I fault myself for not requiring a payment in advance now, should I comment on this conductor's Facebook page and ask why he's ignoring my Emails and requests for payment? I'd hate to put anyone on a spot like that in such a public forum, but I want my money. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Look, he and you had an agreement. Written (email). Go and post on his facebook page, and if you don't hear anything, take him to small claims court. Just because he is a conductor doesn't mean he can screw you out of payment. He's in Canada, I am in the United States. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 79, Issue 21
On Sun Feb 21, at SundayFeb 21 1:55 PM, Florence + Michael wrote: On 21 Feb 2010, at 19:23, David Froom wrote: Hi Dennis, I just tried what I think was wrong. My guess is that your guy did manual spacing with the special tools note mover thing, or he dragged things while in speedy note (it amounts to the same thing). But dragging like this does not change the beat charts. Look at the beat charts in the two examples that Dennis posted: they are irregular. Michael Hitting 5 for beat spacing DOES clear beat charts. I hope he tried that, as I suggested. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 79, Issue 21
On Sun Feb 21, at SundayFeb 21 2:23 PM, dc wrote: David Froom écrit: I just tried what I think was wrong. My guess is that your guy did manual spacing with the special tools note mover thing, or he dragged things while in speedy note (it amounts to the same thing). In either case, the manual dragging will NOT be fixed by spacing commands, which leave manual spacing done with special tools intact. You can fix it, though, by choosing the note mover in special tools, drag-selecting all the handles, and hitting delete to clear the manual spacing. Give it a try. I just did exactly what you say, and the notes simply disappear when I hit delete in the Note Mover tool. Dennis Backspace, or Clear on a Mac. There might be a different key for that on PC. C. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
dc wrote: In files I'm revising, I'm finding notes that aren't properly spaced, and respacing the music them does not correct the problem (say, 4 16ths without any accidentals nor anything else going on at the same time that aren't regularly spaced). How can I get this back to normal? One thing that may be worth a try: find the music spacing options dialog box, which contains an item manual positioning, which has a drop down menu with three items: clear, ignore, or incorporate. In the latest version of the UI, it's under Music options - spacing, or some such, and is near the bottom of the pane. See if choosing clear or ignore doesn't remove this issue. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
On 21 Feb 2010 at 17:58, dc wrote: dc écrit: There are also problems at a larger scale, such as measures with similar content that end up with very different widths: www.collins.lautre.net/files/spacing2.jpg Something else very strange here: the Measure attributes dialog box gives the same width for both of these measures!!! What about the measures to the left of the left-most measure in your example? And are you looking at this in page view or scroll view? I already replied earlier about adjusting measure widths in page view to something drastically narrow (in the case of measures that have, say, only a whole rest or a whole note, for instance), and the doing an update layout, which spreads things out nicely in the system. The example you cite above looks like what I'd get if I adjusted measure widths to the left, and the wide measure were the last measure of the system, and I neglected to update layout. I often do this to get spacing that's tighter than the default algorithms allow, but still visually satisfactory. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
On 21 Feb 2010 at 16:01, Florence + Michael wrote: I don't think removing changes with special tools will help, since the beat charts are irregular in the examples Dennis gave. Is it not the case that beat charts created by tight note spacing are removed if you use, say, beat spacing? And is Dennis certain that it's beat chart alterations or perhaps the notes have been moved manually with special tools? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
try his agent first, i find using FB for this kind of thing completely unacceptable and disreputable to the poster. i very often find that a phone call can sort out in a flash what dozens of emails sometimes can't. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
On 21 Feb 2010 at 14:15, dc wrote: I can manually make the two measures of the last example the same width, but when I respace the music, it reverts to the old spacing. In page layout view does an update layout adjust things? I've found that I can make measures narrower than the spacing algorithm will allow and then update the layout and they will float the space fairly nicely (even though when you narrow the measures in one system, it widens the one next to it -- the update layout smooths this out). Have you tried changing the base font to something radically differently spaced (like Petrucci) and running the spacing (with all manual positioning cleared), then switching back? Probably won't work, but it's one thing to try. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
I don't know if I would confront him publicly (I'm Canadian too, so maybe I just have a different view on how to conduct oneself publicly.) I would definitely try one last time, saying that this is my last email on the subject. After that, send a registered letter (so he can't deny having received it) stating the amount he owes you and what for, and that if you haven't received it by 30 days after the date of reception, further action may be taken with no other notice. If you still don't get paid, then you file a small claims court case, probably in Canada in the province he resides in (that's one of the drags of engaging in cross-border commerce!) You will add the price of filing the claim ($27 in Quebec last time I had to do this) to your claim against him. Part of the thing about small claims court is that you have to actually show up, or a proxy does. Lawyers aren't allowed (which is why I LOVE suing large companies in small claims court!), but you can ask a friend to do it, if you have one in his province. Christopher On Sun Feb 21, at SundayFeb 21 2:12 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: About two months ago, a conductor who I have as a friend on Facebook said he needed a score to a concerto in a hurry ( I assume for a concert project) and could anyone help him? I wrote to him that I had the file, and if he was agreeable to the fee of 100.00 USD, I'd send it to him. I had written to him previously about possible ideas for recording some editions of my music, but typically most of my E-mails went ignored-- I never heard back. Of course, when I initially wrote to him that I had the file he needed, he wrote back within 30 minutes. Well, it's been nearly a month and a half and I haven't been paid yet. I've written two very polite E-mail reminders and they've gone unanswered. This morning his Facebook page had a posting about a conducting gig he was occupied for a week. My first E-mail reminder pointed out that I was recently laid off from my full time job, and as an independent researcher, any freelance money for projects I do now is very important. I have heard some horror stories through the grapevine about cheap-skate conductors that don't live up to their word and will generally not pay bills and of course they get a reputation for being jerks. While I fault myself for not requiring a payment in advance now, should I comment on this conductor's Facebook page and ask why he's ignoring my Emails and requests for payment? I'd hate to put anyone on a spot like that in such a public forum, but I want my money. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: While I fault myself for not requiring a payment in advance now, should I comment on this conductor's Facebook page and ask why he's ignoring my Emails and requests for payment? I'd hate to put anyone on a spot like that in such a public forum, but I want my money. No, I wouldn't comment on his facebook page. I'd write him a snail mail letter, in which you advise him that he has had reasonable time to pay for the file he got from you, and that if you do not receive the prompt payment to which he agreed, you will contact the boards of groups in the circle in which he conducts, and advise them of his attitudes towards you, and that following that, you are contemplating appropriate legal action. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
Kim, Assume the best. There may be an issue with his email account, or other things may have come up (even anti-spam measures). If it's via Facebook, it has been having some issues lately. My route would be using postal mail to his professional address with a copy to the organization's own payment staff. I believe you can get acknowledgment of delivery and at least tracking from the US to Canada. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
See if choosing clear or ignore doesn't remove this issue. ignore would effectively ignore any manual placements. i think he has already tried with clear. sounds like document corruption. david brings up a point that could be worth looking into. although since the prob seems local i doubt this will be the issue. make sure the spacing width tables are NOT selected in the Spacing Widths... dialogue and use These values instead. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Kim, Assume the best. There may be an issue with his email account, or other things may have come up (even anti-spam measures). I always assume the best Dennis, trust me. But I really doubt there's any issue with his E-mail client, he's on G-mail like me, and has been posting routinely on Facebook. I didn't mention this in my original post here, but when Herr Conductor immediately wrote to me after I had told him I had the score he needed-- I mentioned that I wasn't sure why he had ignored my previous E-mails-- he acknowledged that he had done that, and offered to let me make that right. If it's via Facebook, it has been having some issues lately. My route would be using postal mail to his professional address with a copy to the organization's own payment staff. I believe you can get acknowledgment of delivery and at least tracking from the US to Canada. Sounds like a winner, and I will do that first thing tommorrow A.M. Thanks (the other) Dennis ;) Have a good one, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
i would skip the middle part, that can come across bad, as a threat, or a promise to make comments that could possibly be seen by him as slanderous. but do send a hard copy, signed, with specific dates and mention when you started the work, that you did it on short notice and would appreciate him making the same sort of professional attention to your payment as you did for his needs when he was pressed for time and asked you for your professional services. if it comes to it, the next letter after that should be more strong, with mention that you are pursuing legal advice on the matter and will follow up if no news within 5 working days (or something like that). No, I wouldn't comment on his facebook page. I'd write him a snail mail letter, in which you advise him that he has had reasonable time to pay for the file he got from you, and that if you do not receive the prompt payment to which he agreed, you will contact the boards of groups in the circle in which he conducts, and advise them of his attitudes towards you, and that following that, you are contemplating appropriate legal action. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
I had a problem with someone who would not pay. When I phoned him, he was very friendly and promised the earth but nothing ever came. Eventually I spoke to a solicitor friend who, before offering me professional services, advised me on the wording of a letter which, being in suitably legal sounding language and specifying a date by which the money had to be with me, did the trick. The money arrived on exactly the last day before his time ran out. Had this not worked, the advice was to send a second letter, similarly worded and offering another deadline but with the explicit threat of legal action. At the expiry of that second period, then a solicitor would be called in to handle the matter. All letters were to be sent as recorded delivery and copies kept of everything. As it happens, I also had details of times and dates of phone calls too. All the best, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
You need to also look at the spacing in Scroll View in order to get the full picture. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com On 21 Feb 2010, at 3:26 PM, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: What about the measures to the left of the left-most measure in your example? And are you looking at this in page view or scroll view? I already replied earlier about adjusting measure widths in page view to something drastically narrow (in the case of measures that have, say, only a whole rest or a whole note, for instance), and the doing an update layout, which spreads things out nicely in the system. The example you cite above looks like what I'd get if I adjusted measure widths to the left, and the wide measure were the last measure of the system, and I neglected to update layout. I only work on spacing in page view. There are 8 measures (this is a Chaconne) with the same rhythmic values, and not two of them are spaced alike (In the example I sent: resp. 456 and 628). Of course, I can move the barlines around and make them identical. I haven't neglected to update layout. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 79, Issue 21
dc wrote: I did try hitting 5 as you suggested, with no result either. It's Ctrl+5 (beat spacing) in recent versions of Finale. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
dc wrote: Thanks. I'd also tried that following Martin's advice. No luck. For some reason, at the time I sent my post, I had not yet received Martin's. Just curious: have you examined the affected measures in the Frame editor window? ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] CoilMac
As J D Thomas wrote: This is what I like about the CoilMac machine. It has an open throat... This was one of the main reasons I chose to sell the CoilMacM, ie it provides a solution for larger score formats. We can also get the ECI version but the electric coil inserter adds over $200 to the price. Nick Nick Carter, PhD Owner, npc Imaging www.npcimaging.com Tel: (707) 573 9361 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] CoilMac
I had to make thirty 200-page booklets once, and it took almost 2 hours to insert all the coils. I was thinking about the electric coil insertion device then, but I would have to be doing that every day to make it worthwhile. I can deal with 2 hours once or twice a year. Christopher On Sun Feb 21, at SundayFeb 21 2:40 PM, n...@npcimaging.com wrote: As J D Thomas wrote: This is what I like about the CoilMac machine. It has an open throat... This was one of the main reasons I chose to sell the CoilMacM, ie it provides a solution for larger score formats. We can also get the ECI version but the electric coil inserter adds over $200 to the price. Nick Nick Carter, PhD Owner, npc Imaging www.npcimaging.com Tel: (707) 573 9361 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools smart explosion of multi-parts
F2010b, OSX.6, TGTools 2.60 anyone successful in using this? it is jamming on me, tobias is looking at the file i am working on, but i thpouight i'd gather some info here in case anyone else noticed issues with the plugin. hoping for some advice / tips from anyone who has used this plugin recently. i haven't used this in a long time and wanted to check how it works with 2010. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Spiral binding
Let's say you want to punch holes for the long side of a tabloid (11 x 17) page. How hard is it to realign the page after the first punch (which appears to be 13 or 14 for the machines you own) so you can get enough holes to cover most of a 17 page? I can remember Kinko's screwing that up on occasion. Paul Hayden Lee Actor wrote: CoilMac-M, standard base unit. J D wrote: I have the CoilMac 41 ECI. Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] how do you split multi-parts on single staves?
does anyone use this plugin at all? i ran it on a one measure, 2-staff score (new doc no libraries) and it came up with errors. are there any specific settings that are problematic? i tried changing a number of things but it isn't working. if i end up doing this manually, does anyone have a task order list they could offer? i have to admit i have never had to do this, as i have principally done performance scores for small ensembles or worked on orch parts that were already on as many staves in the score as there were parts. and the times in the past i had to really split parts combined on staves, TGTools worked amazingly. but that was many versions ago... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] how do you split multi-parts on single staves?
One thing you have to do (which I found out the hard way) you have to have ALL staves visible. If you run it on a linked part, or in the score while a staff set is showing, it won't work. AFAICT (as far as I can tell) it works very well still, but linked parts (surprise!) are a problem. Christopher On Sun Feb 21, at SundayFeb 21 7:36 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: does anyone use this plugin at all? i ran it on a one measure, 2- staff score (new doc no libraries) and it came up with errors. are there any specific settings that are problematic? i tried changing a number of things but it isn't working. if i end up doing this manually, does anyone have a task order list they could offer? i have to admit i have never had to do this, as i have principally done performance scores for small ensembles or worked on orch parts that were already on as many staves in the score as there were parts. and the times in the past i had to really split parts combined on staves, TGTools worked amazingly. but that was many versions ago... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Spiral binding
Aligning the paper for punching the remainder of the length is easy. You flip the pages over and place them on an alignment pin, which assures that all holes are evenly spaced. Possible glitch: if you forget to pull the disengagement pin on the 2nd punch, or don't align the end of the paper with the disengaged punch you'll end up with a half-hole on the edge of the page. Not fatal, just ugly. I've also found that it's easier to make sure the paper is exactly flush to the back plate and not skewed at an angle on the 2nd punch if there are more than 1 or 2 pages. -Lee Let's say you want to punch holes for the long side of a tabloid (11 x 17) page. How hard is it to realign the page after the first punch (which appears to be 13 or 14 for the machines you own) so you can get enough holes to cover most of a 17 page? I can remember Kinko's screwing that up on occasion. Paul Hayden Lee Actor wrote: CoilMac-M, standard base unit. J D wrote: I have the CoilMac 41 ECI. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] how do you split multi-parts on single staves?
i did run in scroll view with all staves and haven't yet generated the linked parts, since the parts i want to use haven't been added to the score, that is what i am trying to do with the plugin! also ran it on a 1-measure plain vanilla doc (new with no libraries) and it jammed there too, adding over 100 measures and several hairpins near the end. is there anyone who can confirm better than ITSBIRHNI (i think so but i really have no idea) that the plugin works AT ALL in 2010? my exchange with tobias on the matter hasn't really been fruitful, but he hasn't (yet) said it ***shouldn't*** work... One thing you have to do (which I found out the hard way) you have to have ALL staves visible. If you run it on a linked part, or in the score while a staff set is showing, it won't work. AFAICT (as far as I can tell) it works very well still, but linked parts (surprise!) are a problem. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] [OT] clef for high basses
how many ledger lines are too much in tenor that warrant a change to tenor clef? D5 (written) seems feasible with only 3 ledger lines, then E5 above the 3rd ledger line should be fine... in all cello literature the change happens (at the latest) as soon as a single C5 is part of the passage, but i have a suspicion basses read higher in tenor for some reason... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] clef for high basses
At 5:40 AM +0100 2/22/10, SN jef chippewa wrote: how many ledger lines are too much in tenor that warrant a change to tenor clef? D5 (written) seems feasible with only 3 ledger lines, then E5 above the 3rd ledger line should be fine... in all cello literature the change happens (at the latest) as soon as a single C5 is part of the passage, but i have a suspicion basses read higher in tenor for some reason... Basses in tenor clef should still be notated an octave above absolute pitch, so it shouldn't be higher than cellos. (And I assume that you meant to write how many ledger lines are too much in BASS ...) But what you're asking is how many ledger lines players are used to seeing, and I suspect that for string players it's a lot more than you might think. And think about lead trombonists: They are used to seeing high Bb and C in BASS clef, and that's 4 ledger lines. Flutists even more. But as long as you stick with standard clefs (and treble clef, at pitch, is apparently now standard for cello thumb positions) it really isn't necessary to worry about how many ledger lines you have, even though some people may quote rules (more like rules of thumb, actually, and yes, pun intended!). And of course there are some things that you just don't change clefs for, like the low range of a low-C bass clarinet, or tuba notes. The players can read them just fine. I'm writing as a violinist, and we'd MUCH rather see lots of ledger lines than see 8va markings, even though they don't sightread quite as well if they're crowded together. Same for viola in treble clef. Too many engravers jump between clefs too often when it isn't really necessary. (Personal opinion, of course.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] clef for high basses
Basses in tenor clef should still be notated an octave above absolute pitch, so it shouldn't be higher than cellos. (And I assume that you meant to write how many ledger lines are too much in BASS ...) ah, no i meant tenor *clef*. yes the question is ledger lines, i know about transpositions and avoiding clefs, and i know in extreme detail when clef changes are warranted in horns and vc from looking through a bunch of scores to find out. But what you're asking is how many ledger lines players are used to seeing, and I suspect that for string players it's a lot more than you might think. nope, i know they are accustomed to them, i just don't know the exact number / pitch. i know some violists get shaky with 4, but that will vary according to player and whether or not they were hammered by french solfège training or not (9 clefs, i think?). And think about lead trombonists: They are used to seeing high Bb and C in BASS clef, and that's 4 ledger lines. Flutists even more. thanks, but teh question concerned basses! flutists usually read up to C7 without 8va lines, but there you also have a (traditional) physical registral limit. violins can play much higher than that so at some point 8vas are necessary. nono however made an exception to this rule, la lontananza is notated with something like 10 ledger lines in places. But as long as you stick with standard clefs (and treble clef, at pitch, is apparently now standard for cello thumb positions) it really isn't necessary to worry about how many ledger lines you have, even though some people may quote rules (more like rules of thumb, actually, and yes, pun intended!). that isn't true, i know there are differences in orhcestral musicians and chamber musicians and there are standards. the question was maybe better phrased as at what PITCH should the clef change in to treble from tenor (or bass) and in what circumstances. singl;e note in extreme high register is possible in many instruments but for example, as i said, as soon as there is a C5 in a cello passage, the treble clef ALWAYS appears. one or two isolated B4's are ok in bass, but is the passage generally plays in that register, tenor is used. i am hoping to get this kind of info for the basses. And of course there are some things that you just don't change clefs for, like the low range of a low-C bass clarinet, or tuba notes. The players can read them just fine. yeah but i am asking about basses. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] suggestions for amateur composer
I am an amateur choral composer, mostly writing pieces for our local congregation and choir, and some have been very well received. I am quite satisfied to remain just a local composer, but I have received several requests to publish a recent choral work of mine. A local choir director friend of mine (both high school and church music, and well-known in the local ACDA) who is well-respected in the community has encouraged me to publish. He has given me the name of several publishers, as well as allowed me to use his name as a reference. I actually have a short hymn already published in a worship and praise songbook, but I do not consider myself a praise song composer. I am far more interested in writing choral music and more mainstream hymns. (I come from the Lutheran tradition.) The publication (in a different denomination's publication) was more a happy accident of circumstances. I have no illusions about this being a source of income or fame (hah!). I have a day job that pays well enough. What I am looking for advice on is what sort of things should I include in the submission, other than the obvious copy of the music? Are there any things I need to watch out for when dealing with publishers? Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing unwanted changes
Something that sometimes works for me: 1. Select the offending measures. 2. Apply time signature spacing. 3. Respace the measures. Apparently, at least in older versions of Finale, time signature spacing was the equivalent of no spacing applied. Haven't had to do this for a while, so I don't know. dc den...@free.fr wrote: SN jef chippewa écrit: david brings up a point that could be worth looking into. although since the prob seems local i doubt this will be the issue. make sure the spacing width tables are NOT selected in the Spacing Widths... dialogue and use These values instead. Yes, checked already. I also tried exporting to xml and importing. No change... I guess I'm going to have to send it in to technical support. Without much hope... Thanks again to all for the numerous suggestions. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 79, Issue 21
Not the Note Mover TOOL - Note Position Tool in the SPECIAL TOOLS palette On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sun Feb 21, at SundayFeb 21 2:23 PM, dc wrote: David Froom écrit: I just tried what I think was wrong. My guess is that your guy did manual spacing with the special tools note mover thing, or he dragged things while in speedy note (it amounts to the same thing). In either case, the manual dragging will NOT be fixed by spacing commands, which leave manual spacing done with special tools intact. You can fix it, though, by choosing the note mover in special tools, drag-selecting all the handles, and hitting delete to clear the manual spacing. Give it a try. I just did exactly what you say, and the notes simply disappear when I hit delete in the Note Mover tool. Dennis Backspace, or Clear on a Mac. There might be a different key for that on PC. C. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
