Re: [Finale] Mp3 Files
"Save as Audio" uses the currently configured playback settings. If "Play Finale Through Native Instruments AU/VST" is checked, then the AU/VST instruments are used when you select Save as Audio. This is easy to verify -- first off, when using AU/VST instruments, you don't have the option to save as MP3, only WAV or AIFF. Second, when using AU/VST instruments, the Finale file actually plays back and the audio file is based on the real-time recording of Finale playback. (When using SoftSynth instruments, Finale the file does not play back when saving as audio.) Of course, you must actually load the GPO instruments via the Setup Wizard or the Native Instruments AU/VST Setup dialog box. If you're using Garritan Studio, Finale's Save As Audio command won't work. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 02 Dec 2006, at 12:16 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Nov 2006, at 12:38 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Use the GPO Studio "Record" function. The Finale "save special" does not record GPO. Yes, it does. It has since Finale 2006a. Cheers, - Darcy - How do I get it to do that on my computer, pray tell? When I use "save special" I only get soft synth sounds. I'm using FinWin 2006c and 2007. Again, I'm using full GPO, not the Finale reduced GPO. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Nov 2006, at 12:38 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Use the GPO Studio "Record" function. The Finale "save special" does not record GPO. Yes, it does. It has since Finale 2006a. Cheers, - Darcy - How do I get it to do that on my computer, pray tell? When I use "save special" I only get soft synth sounds. I'm using FinWin 2006c and 2007. Again, I'm using full GPO, not the Finale reduced GPO. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 08:54 AM 12/1/2006, Phil Daley wrote: >But, Finale DOES playback. People are complaining about the QUALITY of the >playback. Nobody in this thread was complaining about the quality of the playback. Dean was looking for information about converting a Finale file to an MP3. His questions about quality had to do with the conversion from WAV to MP3, which have nothing to do with Finale. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 12/1/2006 08:49 AM, dhbailey wrote: >Phil Daley wrote: >> Yes. I agree. I think it's more important to get the notation done >> correctly, if you want sound, get another program. >> > >That's certainly one way of looking at the notation issue. But that >gets extremely unwieldy when one is making adjustments to a score and >wishes to hear what the effect is (no, we're not all Mozarts who are >capable of writing our musical thoughts down with very little revision). > >One could just as easily say: If all you want is notation with no >playback, get another program. It cuts both ways. But, Finale DOES playback. People are complaining about the QUALITY of the playback. That's where I think there is no improvement needed. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Phil Daley wrote: At 11/30/2006 03:09 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: >I was somewhat astonished by this discussion, as I was astonished by >the energy Coda/MakeMusic invests in Finale's playback capabilities. > >First question: What do you need playback for? I use it for proof >reading. Basta. So I haven't ever needed Finale's "save to wav" or >"save to mp3". If I want it performed, I get it played by real >instruments. I checked it out just in case, and it worked fine. Yes. I agree. I think it's more important to get the notation done correctly, if you want sound, get another program. That's certainly one way of looking at the notation issue. But that gets extremely unwieldy when one is making adjustments to a score and wishes to hear what the effect is (no, we're not all Mozarts who are capable of writing our musical thoughts down with very little revision). One could just as easily say: If all you want is notation with no playback, get another program. It cuts both ways. Finale fills many different needs for many different people with many different desires/needs. As Finale users, we all need each other so that the marketplace remains large enough that MakeMusic are able to make a profit over continued development of Finale. I don't ever work with quarter-tone accidentals, yet I don't have any problem with any development effort which is put into that aspect of notation and playback because as that niche of people is able to work better with Finale, the customer base increases. I never work with figured bass, yet I think that is an area which needs much development because I know that many people use Finale to produce music which requires figured bass, and the better that Finale can handle that, the more the customer base increases. Lots of people need to create as nice sounding a demo of their music as they possibly can and haven't got money to hire professional musicians to get that demo recorded. If Finale can deliver that, those people will continue to use Finale and will continue to upgrade as those playback and audio aspects improve, and will continue to get others to buy Finale. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. I don't think it's at all fair for people to say "I don't use that aspect of the program, so anybody who does use that aspect should simply use another program." As for Kurt's flippant remark "If I want it performed, I get it played by real instruments." (by which I think he actually meant to say 'real people') I can only say that I personally am not wealthy enough to go out and hire a rehearsal orchestra just so that I can have the luxury of hearing my music with realistic sounds. I am delighted that you are and suggest that possibly you establish a trust fund that would allow all of us such a luxury. If there are notational aspects of Finale that anybody feels need further development, they should be sure to let MakeMusic know. Just as those who have wanted better audio capabilities and more realistic playback were able to get GPO capabilities along with "save as audio," all it takes is the right amount of clout with the company. To tell those people to "use another program" simply diminishes the customer base for Finale and doesn't help guarantee its survival as an application. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 11/30/2006 03:09 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: >I was somewhat astonished by this discussion, as I was astonished by >the energy Coda/MakeMusic invests in Finale's playback capabilities. > >First question: What do you need playback for? I use it for proof >reading. Basta. So I haven't ever needed Finale's "save to wav" or >"save to mp3". If I want it performed, I get it played by real >instruments. I checked it out just in case, and it worked fine. Yes. I agree. I think it's more important to get the notation done correctly, if you want sound, get another program. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mp3 Files
You can download Wiretap Pro here: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/ There is a similar utility called Audio Hijack - it does the same thing, more or less, with a different interface. I've been happy with Wiretap Pro. I find it useful to record internet radio (I occasionally record archived BBC programs, for example). It does record all the sound coming into your Mac, so be careful as it also records system sounds - if your email program chimes when it collects mail, for example, that will also be incorporated. It will save as aiff or mp3 - you can also use a freeware program such as Audacity to edit the sound files. JR On 11/30/06 2:32 PM, "Andrew Stiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > >> There is a utility on the Mac called Wire Tap that captures anything >> coming out of the speakers as a sound file. > > Where is it? How do I access it? > > Andrew Stiller > Kallisti Music Press > http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Thanks ... got it ... works fine. Dean On Nov 30, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dean, Look in iTunes Help under - Convert to MP3. It's not difficult. Chuck On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Yeah ... I was asking about sound quality. What you say makes perfect sense. Darcy says that the coversion can take place in iTunes, so I need to see how that is done ... then I'll give it a try. Thanks, Dean On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:09 PM 11/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to >MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO >quality (Full GPO or FinGPO)? When you make a WAV file, what you have is a CD-quality sound file, filled with whatever sounds you put into it. In this case, playing a WAV file created from a Finale file with GPO should sound exactly like playing the source Finale file itself (inside Finale, with GPO). When you convert a WAV to an MP3, some of the sound quality is lost; this is how MP3s are able to be smaller than WAV files. The lower the bitrate you choose for your conversion, the smaller the file will be -- but the more quality is lost. You'll need to listen to the files yourself to determine what level of tradeoff is acceptable. When you ask about 'GPO quality', are you literally asking about the sound quality? If so, then your answer is above. Or are you asking whether the file will still be based on GPO sounds or whether somehow the sounds themselves will be different? If so, then the answer is that the file will still be based on GPO sounds. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mp3 Files
On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: There is a utility on the Mac called Wire Tap that captures anything coming out of the speakers as a sound file. Where is it? How do I access it? http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/ $19 USD, and cheap at the price. I use it a lot. I used to have a free version, but I like the extras I get by paying, and it IS the right thing to do. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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But not everyone works the same way you do, has the same tools to work with, or has the same goals and requirements from a notation program. If Finale just focuses on your set of needs, they will make their already small market even smaller. Finale has to try an produce a tool for many different uses and working methods. Because of this, we will all probably find parts of the software we don't need. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kurt Gnos wrote: I was somewhat astonished by this discussion, as I was astonished by the energy Coda/MakeMusic invests in Finale's playback capabilities. First question: What do you need playback for? I use it for proof reading. Basta. So I haven't ever needed Finale's "save to wav" or "save to mp3". If I want it performed, I get it played by real instruments. I checked it out just in case, and it worked fine. If you want to put an mp3 besides some graphics to sell your Finale files on a web site, I think it's useful to have a midi file or an mp3. I don't think a potential buyer minds wether it's by the smart sound soft synth or GPO Finale or full GPO, it's also a kind of proof reading. Maybe I would use GPO more if it wouldn't take so long to open the Finale files using it. I want to drink coffee when I want to, not just because I'm waiting until the sounds are loaded. And be honest - they are better than smart sound, but they are not good. If I really need a good sounding output and I can not use real instruments I go to Nuendo or Cubase and use various real instruments and soft synths (maybe including GPO for some sounds) to get it sounding better. Use a decent reverb (e. b. Waves IR). For piano, use the "Grand" or "ivory". And so on. I'd prefer MakeMusic concentrating on things we need more urgently than better playback. For example: I still need most of my Finale time for correcting the layout. How about Finale doing these things right? Good spacing, no collisions of symbols and notes, usable lyrics, distances between verses, in short, a "nice" score. And postscript output is still somewhat erratical. Hey, Finale should be a professional score printing program. Think it sounds professional? I mean, for example, listen to the chords playback. I always have to mute it in all occurring voices to prevent vomiting... Finale isn't a sequencer, and - in my opinion - doesn't need to be, there are a lots of better programs out there to do that. I use Finale to write scores. Problems - if you need the playback: Swing, and setting tempo when using it often doesn't work. I think this is more important to fix than playback sounds. Phrasings often play back wrong. I have a score with staccato accents playing back legato... I think it much more important to get those things fixed than getting other sounds. You really need the playback? There are many programs and sound cards out there that let you record the sound coming out of your computer, so it will be easiest to do this - it will sound just (as bad) as it comes out of Finale. Use smart sound or soft synths, GPO or Vienna - WYHIWYG (what you hear is what you get). E. G. If you have a recent Creative Sound Card, you just can record your "what you hear"-channel. Just my 10c Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MP3 files
I was somewhat astonished by this discussion, as I was astonished by the energy Coda/MakeMusic invests in Finale's playback capabilities. First question: What do you need playback for? I use it for proof reading. Basta. So I haven't ever needed Finale's "save to wav" or "save to mp3". If I want it performed, I get it played by real instruments. I checked it out just in case, and it worked fine. If you want to put an mp3 besides some graphics to sell your Finale files on a web site, I think it's useful to have a midi file or an mp3. I don't think a potential buyer minds wether it's by the smart sound soft synth or GPO Finale or full GPO, it's also a kind of proof reading. Maybe I would use GPO more if it wouldn't take so long to open the Finale files using it. I want to drink coffee when I want to, not just because I'm waiting until the sounds are loaded. And be honest - they are better than smart sound, but they are not good. If I really need a good sounding output and I can not use real instruments I go to Nuendo or Cubase and use various real instruments and soft synths (maybe including GPO for some sounds) to get it sounding better. Use a decent reverb (e. b. Waves IR). For piano, use the "Grand" or "ivory". And so on. I'd prefer MakeMusic concentrating on things we need more urgently than better playback. For example: I still need most of my Finale time for correcting the layout. How about Finale doing these things right? Good spacing, no collisions of symbols and notes, usable lyrics, distances between verses, in short, a "nice" score. And postscript output is still somewhat erratical. Hey, Finale should be a professional score printing program. Think it sounds professional? I mean, for example, listen to the chords playback. I always have to mute it in all occurring voices to prevent vomiting... Finale isn't a sequencer, and - in my opinion - doesn't need to be, there are a lots of better programs out there to do that. I use Finale to write scores. Problems - if you need the playback: Swing, and setting tempo when using it often doesn't work. I think this is more important to fix than playback sounds. Phrasings often play back wrong. I have a score with staccato accents playing back legato... I think it much more important to get those things fixed than getting other sounds. You really need the playback? There are many programs and sound cards out there that let you record the sound coming out of your computer, so it will be easiest to do this - it will sound just (as bad) as it comes out of Finale. Use smart sound or soft synths, GPO or Vienna - WYHIWYG (what you hear is what you get). E. G. If you have a recent Creative Sound Card, you just can record your "what you hear"-channel. Just my 10c Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Many soundblaster cards have a similar function. It's called "What-U-Hear". But you'll have to record through another app. Just about anything will do, even the recorder that comes with the soundblaster. Richard Smith Andrew Stiller wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: There is a utility on the Mac called Wire Tap that captures anything coming out of the speakers as a sound file. Where is it? How do I access it? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: There is a utility on the Mac called Wire Tap that captures anything coming out of the speakers as a sound file. Where is it? How do I access it? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mp3 Files
On 30 Nov 2006, at 12:38 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Use the GPO Studio "Record" function. The Finale "save special" does not record GPO. Yes, it does. It has since Finale 2006a. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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You guys are awesome. I just converted a brass quartet WAC file to MP3, using iTunes. I then uploaded it to my web page (see below) and it played back sounding (to my ear, at least) really nice. I selected the "Good" Quality in the iTunes conversion process. Check it out and see what you think. Thanks again for all the help. Dean On Nov 30, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Richard Smith wrote: I record GPO playback in Sibelius but I am sure Finale is very similar. Then I convert the sound file to mp3. You can hear the results on my website. Listen to the recording of my Lament and Exultation at: http://www.rgsmithmusic.com/Lament.htm I use CoolEdit 2000 for the mp3 conversion but I'm sure there are many other software choices for this chore. It is not a difficult process and sounds quite like the original GPO version. The only limiting factor is how small you want the mp3 to be. Even at the lowest quality, it is vastly superior to MIDI and the GPO percussion instruments (real sampled rolls, bar chimes, ect.) are convincing. Hope this helps. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 30/11/2006 17:10:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality It should do, yes, within the limitations of the recipients sound system, after all, if I understand it correctly (and let's be honest, I usually don't!) then it's simply a recording of the sounds produced by GPO. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dean, Look in iTunes Help under - Convert to MP3. It's not difficult. Chuck On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Yeah ... I was asking about sound quality. What you say makes perfect sense. Darcy says that the coversion can take place in iTunes, so I need to see how that is done ... then I'll give it a try. Thanks, Dean On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:09 PM 11/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to >MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO >quality (Full GPO or FinGPO)? When you make a WAV file, what you have is a CD-quality sound file, filled with whatever sounds you put into it. In this case, playing a WAV file created from a Finale file with GPO should sound exactly like playing the source Finale file itself (inside Finale, with GPO). When you convert a WAV to an MP3, some of the sound quality is lost; this is how MP3s are able to be smaller than WAV files. The lower the bitrate you choose for your conversion, the smaller the file will be -- but the more quality is lost. You'll need to listen to the files yourself to determine what level of tradeoff is acceptable. When you ask about 'GPO quality', are you literally asking about the sound quality? If so, then your answer is above. Or are you asking whether the file will still be based on GPO sounds or whether somehow the sounds themselves will be different? If so, then the answer is that the file will still be based on GPO sounds. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mp3 Files
I record GPO playback in Sibelius but I am sure Finale is very similar. Then I convert the sound file to mp3. You can hear the results on my website. Listen to the recording of my Lament and Exultation at: http://www.rgsmithmusic.com/Lament.htm I use CoolEdit 2000 for the mp3 conversion but I'm sure there are many other software choices for this chore. It is not a difficult process and sounds quite like the original GPO version. The only limiting factor is how small you want the mp3 to be. Even at the lowest quality, it is vastly superior to MIDI and the GPO percussion instruments (real sampled rolls, bar chimes, ect.) are convincing. Hope this helps. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 30/11/2006 17:10:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality It should do, yes, within the limitations of the recipients sound system, after all, if I understand it correctly (and let's be honest, I usually don't!) then it's simply a recording of the sounds produced by GPO. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Yes - full GPO quality - with only the loss that any WAV to MP3 conversion experiences. Use the GPO Studio "Record" function. The Finale "save special" does not record GPO. Uh, I'm not familiar with this function. Does it exist in the finGPO, and if so, how is it accessed. Thus far, I've just saved special, with the GPO files, which gives me the option of WAV or AIFF. But if I then convert one of those to MP3, will it not be cool? Dean RBH Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality (Full GPO or FinGPO)? Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yeah ... I was asking about sound quality. What you say makes perfect sense. Darcy says that the coversion can take place in iTunes, so I need to see how that is done ... then I'll give it a try. Thanks, Dean On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:09 PM 11/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to >MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO >quality (Full GPO or FinGPO)? When you make a WAV file, what you have is a CD-quality sound file, filled with whatever sounds you put into it. In this case, playing a WAV file created from a Finale file with GPO should sound exactly like playing the source Finale file itself (inside Finale, with GPO). When you convert a WAV to an MP3, some of the sound quality is lost; this is how MP3s are able to be smaller than WAV files. The lower the bitrate you choose for your conversion, the smaller the file will be -- but the more quality is lost. You'll need to listen to the files yourself to determine what level of tradeoff is acceptable. When you ask about 'GPO quality', are you literally asking about the sound quality? If so, then your answer is above. Or are you asking whether the file will still be based on GPO sounds or whether somehow the sounds themselves will be different? If so, then the answer is that the file will still be based on GPO sounds. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 11/30/2006 12:24 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: >When you make a WAV file, what you have is a CD-quality sound file, >filled with whatever sounds you put into it. In this case, playing a >WAV file created from a Finale file with GPO should sound exactly >like playing the source Finale file itself (inside Finale, with GPO). And it makes no difference if the listener has GPO. >When you convert a WAV to an MP3, some of the sound quality is lost; >this is how MP3s are able to be smaller than WAV files. The lower the >bitrate you choose for your conversion, the smaller the file will be >-- but the more quality is lost. You'll need to listen to the files >yourself to determine what level of tradeoff is acceptable. Right. I have some wav files that I converted to wma files. They are 10 times smaller, but there is a noticeable difference from the original file. I am not personally familiar with what converting to MP3 does to the sounds. >When you ask about 'GPO quality', are you literally asking about the >sound quality? If so, then your answer is above. Or are you asking >whether the file will still be based on GPO sounds or whether somehow >the sounds themselves will be different? If so, then the answer is >that the file will still be based on GPO sounds. Only in the abstract sense. GPO is not needed to listen to them. The sounds WILL be different if you compress the file. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 30/11/2006 17:10:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality It should do, yes, within the limitations of the recipients sound system, after all, if I understand it correctly (and let's be honest, I usually don't!) then it's simply a recording of the sounds produced by GPO. Cheers, Lawrence Yes, it is. In fact, when testing it out on a four-bar file in 2007 to make sure it hadn't changed before posting my previous reply, I neglected to click "stop" in the GPO record function before clicking play a second time. Sure, enough, the resulting wav file had the file starting a second time. I always end up trimming off the extra start and end times produced in the GPO "Record" function in Audacity or ProTools, anyway. Sometimes I boost the levels, there, too. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes - full GPO quality - with only the loss that any WAV to MP3 conversion experiences. Use the GPO Studio "Record" function. The Finale "save special" does not record GPO. RBH Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality (Full GPO or FinGPO)? Dean On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: The Full GPO player can record to WAV, and then it can be easily converted to MP3 using Audacity or any other utility. Works beautifully. I don't have experience with the reduced Finale-GPO - much too limited. Raymond Horton Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 12:09 PM 11/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to >MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO >quality (Full GPO or FinGPO)? When you make a WAV file, what you have is a CD-quality sound file, filled with whatever sounds you put into it. In this case, playing a WAV file created from a Finale file with GPO should sound exactly like playing the source Finale file itself (inside Finale, with GPO). When you convert a WAV to an MP3, some of the sound quality is lost; this is how MP3s are able to be smaller than WAV files. The lower the bitrate you choose for your conversion, the smaller the file will be -- but the more quality is lost. You'll need to listen to the files yourself to determine what level of tradeoff is acceptable. When you ask about 'GPO quality', are you literally asking about the sound quality? If so, then your answer is above. Or are you asking whether the file will still be based on GPO sounds or whether somehow the sounds themselves will be different? If so, then the answer is that the file will still be based on GPO sounds. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes, that seems to make sense to me too. I need to check out iTunes and see how the conversion process works, since I'm on a Mac. Thanks, Dean On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 30/11/2006 17:10:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality It should do, yes, within the limitations of the recipients sound system, after all, if I understand it correctly (and let's be honest, I usually don't!) then it's simply a recording of the sounds produced by GPO. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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In a message dated 30/11/2006 17:10:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality It should do, yes, within the limitations of the recipients sound system, after all, if I understand it correctly (and let's be honest, I usually don't!) then it's simply a recording of the sounds produced by GPO. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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So, as I just asked Darcy privately, if I convert the WAV file to MP3, and upload that to my web page, will it play back with GPO quality (Full GPO or FinGPO)? Dean On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: The Full GPO player can record to WAV, and then it can be easily converted to MP3 using Audacity or any other utility. Works beautifully. I don't have experience with the reduced Finale-GPO - much too limited. Raymond Horton Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. No, you simply use GPO to get the sounds you want and then save as a .wav file and use a converter program to convert to .mp3. Now as to why you can't save a GPO file as an .mp3 file, that is a huge question that MakeMusic will hopefully answer by including that capability in a maintenance release. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Again, Finale doesn't care whether you're using full GPO or GPO Finale Edition or Garritan JABB or any other supported AU/VST library -- "Save As Audio" works exactly the same way. There's not the option to save directly to MP3, but it's very easy to convert from AIFF or WAV to MP3. And the conversion process is exactly the same no matter what sample library you used to generate the AIFF or WAV. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 29 Nov 2006, at 10:47 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: The Full GPO player can record to WAV, and then it can be easily converted to MP3 using Audacity or any other utility. Works beautifully. I don't have experience with the reduced Finale-GPO - much too limited. Raymond Horton Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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The Full GPO player can record to WAV, and then it can be easily converted to MP3 using Audacity or any other utility. Works beautifully. I don't have experience with the reduced Finale-GPO - much too limited. Raymond Horton Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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There is a utility on the Mac called Wire Tap that captures anything coming out of the speakers as a sound file. I am sure that something similar exists on the PC side as well. I have used it in the past when I needed to create a sound file from Finale with a click recorded - apparently when I save as an audio file the click is not included. Christopher On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:01 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dean, As others have explained previously, you can easily convert a WAV or AIFF file to MP3 format using iTunes or similar software. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 29 Nov 2006, at 8:01 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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So, as Darcy said, you can't get an mp3 file from a GPO file. I take it that this means the best quality sound we can upload to our Web Page is that of soft synth? If, so ... I"m sad. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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For some reason, I followed that path exactly, but when I saved as an audio file, the choice was only WAV and aiff ... I didn't see MP3 as an option. Strange, because a couple of days ago, I managed to save as an MP3, but don't recall the path. Was your test done with a GPO file, or soft synth? Dean On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: I don't know what Finale you have. In my version (2007) you can choose "save special" - "save as audio file" and than you can select between wav and mp3, so you don't need a seperate converter. I just tested it, saved a mp3, and it works fine. Playback without any problem. Kurt At 23:41 29.11.2006, you wrote: Thanks to all your help ... I finally was able to get an audio file onto my fledgling Web Page (note below). THANK YOU. Now, I'll be damned if I can remember how to save a fin file as a MP3 file. What's the path, please? Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta// Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta/ Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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This method doesn't work with GPO instruments. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 29 Nov 2006, at 6:34 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: I don't know what Finale you have. In my version (2007) you can choose "save special" - "save as audio file" and than you can select between wav and mp3, so you don't need a seperate converter. I just tested it, saved a mp3, and it works fine. Playback without any problem. Kurt At 23:41 29.11.2006, you wrote: Thanks to all your help ... I finally was able to get an audio file onto my fledgling Web Page (note below). THANK YOU. Now, I'll be damned if I can remember how to save a fin file as a MP3 file. What's the path, please? Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta// Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I don't know what Finale you have. In my version (2007) you can choose "save special" - "save as audio file" and than you can select between wav and mp3, so you don't need a seperate converter. I just tested it, saved a mp3, and it works fine. Playback without any problem. Kurt At 23:41 29.11.2006, you wrote: Thanks to all your help ... I finally was able to get an audio file onto my fledgling Web Page (note below). THANK YOU. Now, I'll be damned if I can remember how to save a fin file as a MP3 file. What's the path, please? Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta// Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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OK .. Thanks. Dean On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the "file" menu go to "special save" - "save as audio file" and save it as a WAV file, then get a free converter from the web to convert it into MP3 All the best, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta// Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hmmm ... that's strange. A couple of other folks had no problem. Did you just click on "SAMPLE?" DEAN On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 29.11.2006 Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Thanks to all your help ... I finally was able to get an audio file onto my fledgling Web Page (note below). THANK YOU. Now, I'll be damned if I can remember how to save a fin file as a MP3 file. What's the path, please? I doN't seem to be able to play your file, I just get a big question mark... Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 29.11.2006 Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Thanks to all your help ... I finally was able to get an audio file onto my fledgling Web Page (note below). THANK YOU. Now, I'll be damned if I can remember how to save a fin file as a MP3 file. What's the path, please? I doN't seem to be able to play your file, I just get a big question mark... Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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in the "file" menu go to "special save" - "save as audio file" and save it as a WAV file, then get a free converter from the web to convert it into MP3 All the best, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Thanks to all your help ... I finally was able to get an audio file onto my fledgling Web Page (note below). THANK YOU. Now, I'll be damned if I can remember how to save a fin file as a MP3 file. What's the path, please? Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~d.esta// Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
