Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
Stephen Ellis / 2007/02/06 / 03:11 PM wrote: One of the notes to the update for Mac OS X 10.4.6 noted that the update Makes Mac OS X aware of United States Daylight Savings Time (DST) changes enacted by the Energy Policy Act of 2005. A similar update was part of OS X 10.4.5. Interestingly the patch is out today, and it is applicable to OSX10.4.8. H -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
If you are a Mac User, the following document tells you what you need to do. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305056 If you still need assistance, email me off list and I will be happy to try to help you. Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: Remember, Indiana is a state that once tried for simplicity's sake to legislate that Pi=Three. (That's 3 with no other decimals!) Half true, but I think you're stretching it to say that they tried to legislate it. The proposed legislation doesn't actually say that pi = 3. Rather, it makes some nonsensical assertions about the area of a circle which, when one attempts to make sense out of them, imply that pi = 3 (among other things). The state house had no idea what it was voting for when it passed the bill. Once it became known, the bill died in the state senate. Background story at http://www.americanheritage.com/email/articles/ web/20070205-indiana-pi-archimedes-william-shanks-edwin-j-goodwin- taylor-record.shtml. Text of the actual legislation at http:// www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Indiana%20once%20tried%20to%20change %20the%20value%20of%20pi. mdl P.S. When I hit reply, this email was targeted to Randolph only. Looking at Randolph's message I see that it has no reply-to header, while all the other List messages do. Anyone know what's up with that? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
Mark D Lew / 2007/02/07 / 03:59 AM wrote: P.S. When I hit reply, this email was targeted to Randolph only. Looking at Randolph's message I see that it has no reply-to header, while all the other List messages do. Anyone know what's up with that? It's his email client software doing. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 6 Feb 2007 at 22:41, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:11 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: but according to the article on this topic in the Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, devices that rely on time-servers *will* in fact be automatically adjusted to accomodate the new DST regime. The main problem will be with older computers that cannot read time servers. Well, not doubting what you read, but can you give a URL for the article? It doesn't align with what I understand about time servers (which may very well be completely erroneous). http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/16612090.htm I don't see anything at all in the article about time servers. From that article: For many widely used devices, automatic updates should prove easy. Cell phones should flash the correct date and time because they receive such information directly from their service providers' networks. Similarly, the Internet will automatically update clocks on many personal computers that use relatively up-to-date software. But Microsoft cautions that some older products - including Windows XP SP1 and Windows NT4 - will require manual updates. Its Web site provides detailed instructions on how to update various products, though it is pushing against the deadline in some cases. Updates and tools are being developed and tested, the site says, and some will be released through early March 2007. What this says is very clear: cell phones get their time signal from the telephone network. The comment about relatively up-to-date software is elucidated in the second quoted paragraph, and means that WinXP (except SP1) and later versions of Windows (strangely omitting Win2K) will get automatic updates for all computers set up to get automatic updates. That is, there is a specific patch created for those versions of Windows that most people will get automatically. The older Windows versions have to be updated manually (using the time-zone editing utility). But nowhere does the article say that devices getting their time from a time server will automatically be updated. That's simply not the way the time server protocol works. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 7 Feb 2007 at 9:24, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Mark D Lew / 2007/02/07 / 03:59 AM wrote: P.S. When I hit reply, this email was targeted to Randolph only. Looking at Randolph's message I see that it has no reply-to header, while all the other List messages do. Anyone know what's up with that? It's his email client software doing. When I look at Randolph's message that came to me through the listserv, I see a Reply-To header set to the list address. If youre email client sets a Reply-To header, it will be retained by the listserv, but if it doesn't, the Reply-To header will be set to the list address. If there was *no* Reply-To header, then the message did not come to Mark through the listserv, but direct from Randolph. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 07.02.2007 Mark D Lew wrote: P.S. When I hit reply, this email was targeted to Randolph only. Looking at Randolph's message I see that it has no reply-to header, while all the other List messages do. Anyone know what's up with that? I don't, but looking at it here, it does have a reply to header. Strange. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes (offlist)
On Feb 7, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: It seems you know a lot about Indiana. Did you or do you live there? Nope. Just a lifelong fascination with quirky trivia like that. Thanks for the links to the background story. I was looking for something like that to confirm my fuzzy memory, but in the end I just went for the humor of it. I'm not sure why my email program (Eudora) doesn't give a reply-to header. When I want to reply to a letter and send it to the list at the same time, I have to use a special key command (option-command- R on a Mac). I'll do some more investigating. It sounds like others do get the reply-to header on your messages. I recently upgraded from OS X.3 to X.4, and a lot changed on the Mail app in the process. Perhaps I lost a setting that I used to have. I really don't know. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes (offlist)
On 7 Feb 2007 at 9:49, Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 7, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: I'm not sure why my email program (Eudora) doesn't give a reply-to header. When I want to reply to a letter and send it to the list at the same time, I have to use a special key command (option-command- R on a Mac). I'll do some more investigating. It sounds like others do get the reply-to header on your messages. I recently upgraded from OS X.3 to X.4, and a lot changed on the Mail app in the process. Perhaps I lost a setting that I used to have. I really don't know. If Randolph sent a message both to the listserv and to you directly, the one to you directly would not have had a Reply-To header if his email client does not put one in. But the message from the listserv would have had the list address in the Reply-To. If you've set up your subscription on mailman to suppress duplicates, you would not have seen the listserv message, only Randoph's direct-to-you message. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
I think all Mac users who are still at 10.3.9 (like me) should keep an eye on this thread in the Apple Support Discussions til the bitter end. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4037072#4037072 At least we know the patch exists, but some folks still believe that Apple may release an official patch before DST hits on March 11. The thread is somewhat out of order...the 2/7 is the latest at this writing. Thurletta Brown-Gavins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes (offlist)
On Feb 7, 2007, at 10:41 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: If Randolph sent a message both to the listserv and to you directly, the one to you directly would not have had a Reply-To header if his email client does not put one in. But the message from the listserv would have had the list address in the Reply-To. If you've set up your subscription on mailman to suppress duplicates, you would not have seen the listserv message, only Randoph's direct-to-you message. Ah, I get it now. The setting I lost is that the subject column in my email window isn't wide enough so I never even noticed the (offlist) that was appended to the subject line. My mail is programmed to dump any message with [Finale] in the header into one mailbox, so I just answered the message without ever realizing it was intended only for me and not for the whole list. Sorry, Randolph, for publicly replying to a private message. Fortunately, there wasn't anything especially private in it. And thanks, David, for the explanation. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
Sorry, Randolph, for publicly replying to a private message. Fortunately, there wasn't anything especially private in it. And thanks, David, for the explanation. mdl No problem! I was just trying to cut down on wasted bandwidth... Oops. This went to the whole list, didn't it? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
I think I read it is incorporated in the 10.4.8 update. Those of us still using 10.3.9 may have to do it manually, according to a number of Mac newsgroups. Thurletta Brown-Gavins On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Phil Daley / 2007/02/05 / 12:30 PM wrote: I have no idea what this means to Mac users. The patch is already created. I saw at ADC, but they haven't published yet as far as I know. Anyway, there will be a patch for Mac before too late ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 5 Feb 2007 at 17:56, Carlberg Jones wrote: At 6:46 PM -0500 2/5/07, David W. Fenton wrote: [nothing quoted here] I have my Mac's clock set to automatically sync to Apple's clock server. When it trips over into DST, so will my computer. Or at least I think that's what will happen... I have a MacBook Pro running OS 10.4.8. I set the clock to be adjusted as above. Without question it changes to and from Daylight Saving time. But not because of the signal from the time server, but because OS X knows how to interpret the time signal and calculate the local time for your particular time zone and time of year. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:46 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Timer servers have to supply time-zone agnostic time signals, which means they can't include settings for daylight savings and the like, because different regions in different time zones have different rules for when (and if) they enter DST. It *has* to be a local set of rules. Apparently the only exceptions now are 1) Hawaii and 2) the Navaho nation. I don't know how time-servers handle these, but according to the article on this topic in the Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, devices that rely on time-servers *will* in fact be automatically adjusted to accomodate the new DST regime. The main problem will be with older computers that cannot read time servers. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
When we Mac users set up our computer, we are asked what time zone we are in, and what is the closest city to us on a list. This gives enough info to find the offset. One of the notes to the update for Mac OS X 10.4.6 noted that the update Makes Mac OS X aware of United States Daylight Savings Time (DST) changes enacted by the Energy Policy Act of 2005. A similar update was part of OS X 10.4.5. Steve cell: (502) 552-7268 home: (502) 893-2446 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:29 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2007/02/05 / 06:46 PM wrote: You'll see that it starts by defining the offset from Greenwich Mean Time. My understanding is that a time server supplies either GMT or GMT plus an offset and your OS uses its time zone rules to figure out what the local time is. David is right. Mac too doesn't know Congress changed the date, and the time server is giving only GMT. Your Mac has to know the offset and when DST starts. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 6 Feb 2007 at 12:43, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:46 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Timer servers have to supply time-zone agnostic time signals, which means they can't include settings for daylight savings and the like, because different regions in different time zones have different rules for when (and if) they enter DST. It *has* to be a local set of rules. Apparently the only exceptions now are 1) Hawaii and 2) the Navaho nation. I believe Indiana's legislature voted to stop their strange situation (they are so close to Central Time that they didn't go to DST, so, basically the result was that they stayed on the same Eastern Time clock, which means as a result flipped back and forth between having the same time as Central Time and the same as Eastern Time). That's the only weird one I know about. I don't know how time-servers handle these, I don't know that time servers are *supposed* to handle them. My understanding is that local time is up to local computers to calculate as an offset from GMT. but according to the article on this topic in the Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, devices that rely on time-servers *will* in fact be automatically adjusted to accomodate the new DST regime. The main problem will be with older computers that cannot read time servers. Well, not doubting what you read, but can you give a URL for the article? It doesn't align with what I understand about time servers (which may very well be completely erroneous). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 6 Feb 2007 at 15:11, Stephen Ellis wrote: When we Mac users set up our computer, we are asked what time zone we are in, and what is the closest city to us on a list. This gives enough info to find the offset. Similar to Windows, though Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decided to display a nice map of the time zones, but didn't bother to make it clickable, so you could select your time zone by clicking on a map of where you live (idiots!). All US Windows machines default to Pacific Time (i.e., Redmond time). One of the notes to the update for Mac OS X 10.4.6 noted that the update Makes Mac OS X aware of United States Daylight Savings Time (DST) changes enacted by the Energy Policy Act of 2005. A similar update was part of OS X 10.4.5. That would tend to suggest that you shouldn't be depending on your time server to fix the problem for you. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
At 6:11 PM -0500 2/6/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I believe Indiana's legislature voted to stop their strange situation (they are so close to Central Time that they didn't go to DST, so, basically the result was that they stayed on the same Eastern Time clock, which means as a result flipped back and forth between having the same time as Central Time and the same as Eastern Time). That's the only weird one I know about. That sounds like what I learned living in Indiana. The state isn't just close to Central Time; the dividing line passes right through the state, dividing it in two, instead of following a state boundary. In the '70s all the counties near Chicago stayed on Chicago time and all the counties near Louisville stayed on Louisville time, and you're right; the rest of us swung from one to the other. I'm actually very surprised that the state agreed to regularize it. But it could get even worse. When my brother-in-law and his wife finished grad school at Indiana they became the experts on music for a hundred mile radius in a small Kentucky town at a very small Kentucky Jr. College. The next town to the west was on a different time, and somehow there were more splits such that four different times were observed in a very small area. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
Stephen Ellis / 2007/02/06 / 03:11 PM wrote: One of the notes to the update for Mac OS X 10.4.6 noted that the update Makes Mac OS X aware of United States Daylight Savings Time (DST) changes enacted by the Energy Policy Act of 2005. A similar update was part of OS X 10.4.5. And if you are on pre Tiger, here is the patches: http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20070128143720897 But again, as I said before, I believe Apple is planning to release 10.3.9 patch before 3/11. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:11 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: [answering Andrew Stiller] Apparently the only exceptions now are 1) Hawaii and 2) the Navaho nation. I believe Indiana's legislature voted to stop their strange situation (they are so close to Central Time that they didn't go to DST, so, basically the result was that they stayed on the same Eastern Time clock, which means as a result flipped back and forth between having the same time as Central Time and the same as Eastern Time). That's the only weird one I know about. Andrew has it not quite right. The parts of the United States that do not observe DST are Hawaii and all of Arizona EXCEPT the Navajo Nation (which does observe DST). The bulk of Arizona behaves as David describes, declining to change their clocks so that match California for part of the year and match New Mexico for the rest of the year. Most (but not all) of Indiana used to behave like that as well, but, as David notes, last year the state legislature voted to abandon that plan and go back to observing DST. The state is now once again split between Central and Eastern time zones, with each part observing DST. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:11 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: but according to the article on this topic in the Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, devices that rely on time-servers *will* in fact be automatically adjusted to accomodate the new DST regime. The main problem will be with older computers that cannot read time servers. Well, not doubting what you read, but can you give a URL for the article? It doesn't align with what I understand about time servers (which may very well be completely erroneous). http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/16612090.htm Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
Mark D Lew wrote: Most (but not all) of Indiana used to behave like that as well, but, as David notes, last year the state legislature voted to abandon that plan and go back to observing DST. The state is now once again split between Central and Eastern time zones, with each part observing DST. Remember, Indiana is a state that once tried for simplicity's sake to legislate that Pi=Three. (That's 3 with no other decimals!) I spent my graduate years at Indiana University and loved the place, but the state sure does have some funny quirks. -Randolph Peters (now in Manitoba where it is 40 below, Fahrenheit or Celsius, take your pick) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 5 Feb 2007 at 12:30, Phil Daley wrote: At 2/5/2007 11:21 AM, kim h wrote: Daylight saving marches forward to March Daylight saving time begins a month earlier than usual I read this in the Sunday papers. To a normal Windows user there will be 2 minor problems. 1. The normal Daylight time has arrived, do you want to update your clock will not appear. On that Sunday, you will have to update the clock manually. 2. On the first Sunday in April, the computer will want to update your clock for Daylight time. You will have to say NO. I have no idea what this means to Mac users. Probably nothing. But for Windows users, it takes about 30 seconds of Googling to find the patch for it: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/timezone/dst2007.mspx For those Windows users who have Automatic Updates turned on, it will automatically be applied and they will have no problems. For those like me who don't think Microsoft should be trusted to create software that is reliable enough to be installed without prompting, you can download and apply the patch. Hint for Googling on Microsoft topics: Go to http://google.com/microsoft.html -- this is a page set up for Google that automatically limits your search to MS-specific pages. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
At 2/5/2007 12:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: But for Windows users, it takes about 30 seconds of Googling to find the patch for it: Windows update only works for WinXP SP2 as far as I know. (Well, and Vista) An update is useless for anyone running anything earlier than that. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
I have no idea what this means to Mac users. interesting... only in the states though it seems, so it means nothing to this mac user. perhaps computers sold since 2005 have this integrated...? http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html Beginning in 2007, Daylight Saving Time is extended one month and begins for most of the United States at: 2 a.m. on the Second Sunday in March to 2 a.m. on the First Sunday of November. The new starts and stop dates were set in the Energy Policy Act of 2005. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
At 12:54 PM 2/5/2007, Phil Daley wrote: Windows update only works for WinXP SP2 as far as I know. (Well, and Vista) Win2000 has it as well. I don't know about earlier OSes; I would guess not. However, Win2000 and earlier have reached the end of direct support by MS, and I don't think MS will be supplying an appropriate patch, either through Automatic Updates or otherwise. The pages at the MS website do contain instructions for making registry changes yourself, though. The easiest thing for pre-XP users is just to turn off 'Automatically adjust clock for DST' and remember to do it yourself, along with your other clocks. This is exactly what one has to do for older VCRs. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
Phil Daley / 2007/02/05 / 12:30 PM wrote: I have no idea what this means to Mac users. The patch is already created. I saw at ADC, but they haven't published yet as far as I know. Anyway, there will be a patch for Mac before too late :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
Aaron Sherber / 2007/02/05 / 01:13 PM wrote: Win2000 has it as well. I don't know about earlier OSes; I would guess not. Windows Update as in go fetching the list of new patches? It has been around since the birth of Win98. When they came out with it, they even supported Win95_SR2 if I remember correctly. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
At 01:25 PM 2/5/2007, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Aaron Sherber / 2007/02/05 / 01:13 PM wrote: Win2000 has it as well. I don't know about earlier OSes; I would guess not. Windows Update as in go fetching the list of new patches? I know the Windows Update website has been around for a long time. I think we were talking about Automatic Updates. If you have this on, then Windows will automatically phone home periodically to check for updates and can download and install what it finds. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 5 Feb 2007 at 12:54, Phil Daley wrote: At 2/5/2007 12:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: But for Windows users, it takes about 30 seconds of Googling to find the patch for it: Windows update only works for WinXP SP2 as far as I know. (Well, and Vista) What are you talking about? I updated a client's Win2K installation last Thursday by going to WindowsUpdate.Microsoft.com. An update is useless for anyone running anything earlier than that. Did you read the web page I cited? It gives instructions for how to fix the problem in Win2K and WinNT. No instructions are given for Win9x, but, well, who cares? No one should be using those versions of Windows any longer, in any event (and probably many never should have been using any of them in the first place -- from Win95 they should have gone to NT). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 5 Feb 2007 at 13:46, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 01:25 PM 2/5/2007, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Aaron Sherber / 2007/02/05 / 01:13 PM wrote: Win2000 has it as well. I don't know about earlier OSes; I would guess not. Windows Update as in go fetching the list of new patches? I know the Windows Update website has been around for a long time. I think we were talking about Automatic Updates. If you have this on, then Windows will automatically phone home periodically to check for updates and can download and install what it finds. And automatic update was incorporated into Win2K SP2. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 5 Feb 2007 at 13:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:54 PM 2/5/2007, Phil Daley wrote: Windows update only works for WinXP SP2 as far as I know. (Well, and Vista) Win2000 has it as well. I don't know about earlier OSes; I would guess not. However, Win2000 and earlier have reached the end of direct support by MS, and I don't think MS will be supplying an appropriate patch, either through Automatic Updates or otherwise. The pages at the MS website do contain instructions for making registry changes yourself, though. No, they contain instructions to download the TZEDIT program, which gives you a GUI to change the date of the time change. The easiest thing for pre-XP users is just to turn off 'Automatically adjust clock for DST' and remember to do it yourself, along with your other clocks. This is exactly what one has to do for older VCRs. No, the easiest thing is to FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS given on the web page I cited. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
At 02:17 PM 2/5/2007, David W. Fenton wrote: No, they contain instructions to download the TZEDIT program, which gives you a GUI to change the date of the time change. Yes, you're right. My point was that there's not a specific patch the way there is for XP -- download, double-click, and you're done. The easiest thing for pre-XP users is just to turn off 'Automatically adjust clock for DST' and remember to do it yourself, along with your other clocks. This is exactly what one has to do for older VCRs. No, the easiest thing is to FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS given on the web page I cited. I disagree. I've read those web pages, and I woudn't consider the instructions for using TZEDIT easy for many users. Since most people already have a whole bunch of clocks and VCRs and so forth that they have to change manually anyway, I think it would make sense just to do the same with your PC. But I don't want to get into an argument over which way is easier. Let's just assume that I said, In my opinion, the easiest thing Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
My guess (and it's only that) is that for most Mac users it won't be an issue. I have my Mac's clock set to automatically sync to Apple's clock server. When it trips over into DST, so will my computer. Or at least I think that's what will happen... ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
On 5 Feb 2007 at 18:31, Neal Gittleman wrote: My guess (and it's only that) is that for most Mac users it won't be an issue. I have my Mac's clock set to automatically sync to Apple's clock server. When it trips over into DST, so will my computer. Or at least I think that's what will happen... I don't think so. Timer servers have to supply time-zone agnostic time signals, which means they can't include settings for daylight savings and the like, because different regions in different time zones have different rules for when (and if) they enter DST. It *has* to be a local set of rules. The Windows tool for editing time zone settings looks like this when run on Win2K: http://www.dfenton.com/images/TimeZoneEdit.gif You'll see that it starts by defining the offset from Greenwich Mean Time. My understanding is that a time server supplies either GMT or GMT plus an offset and your OS uses its time zone rules to figure out what the local time is. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
At 6:46 PM -0500 2/5/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I have my Mac's clock set to automatically sync to Apple's clock server. When it trips over into DST, so will my computer. Or at least I think that's what will happen... I have a MacBook Pro running OS 10.4.8. I set the clock to be adjusted as above. Without question it changes to and from Daylight Saving time. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: daylight savings changes
David W. Fenton / 2007/02/05 / 06:46 PM wrote: You'll see that it starts by defining the offset from Greenwich Mean Time. My understanding is that a time server supplies either GMT or GMT plus an offset and your OS uses its time zone rules to figure out what the local time is. David is right. Mac too doesn't know Congress changed the date, and the time server is giving only GMT. Your Mac has to know the offset and when DST starts. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
