Re: Re[2]: Cantidate Chats
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve I hope I am not being repetitious as I wrote this and somehow deleted it the first time. My ugh, duh referred to those of us who are newcomers, not breeders etc so were not responding to your idea.. I really have no way of knowing what has not been done correctly by the present board nor what members may feel needs to be done. I rather dislike new members who offer suggestions in situations they know nothing about. Carol's statements seemed a bit less than objective so I did not pay that much attention. I suppose I could put on my psychotherapist cloak and see if people are straight arrow but that is quite difficult if you can not see them. I will however be there and as I am rarely quiet will come up with something. :) Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:35 PM Subject: Re[2]: Cantidate Chats This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean-- Friday, June 25, 1999, you wrote: Well, ah, ugh, gee, what will we talk about? Steve had this idea I think
Re: grazing muzzle
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bought mine from Farnams catalogue but have not had the cat. for several years. Most tack stores should carry them. Get a stout one as a horse will rub and push pretty hard. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:12 PM Subject: grazing muzzle This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where would one find one of these grazing muzzles? Laurie, who knows that Tor will NOT be happy about this! : )
Re: Cantidate Chats
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll get back to my suggestion for a NFHR board candidate chat. I'm truly amazed and disappointed that _NOBODY_ has commented on the idea. [...] Please give me some response on the idea of these chats, even if it is that you could care less about what the candidates think. I am bewildered by the total silence on this proposal. Well, having already read the candidates printed statements, made my choices, and mailed the ballot, I didn't see much need to comment on the chat suggestion However, since you insisted---I can see problems with the concept. (Forgive me---I program computers for a living, so tend to think first of all the error conditions that need trapping.) Do all of the candidates have the appropriate hardware, software, and (most important) experience in using them to participate in said chats? The online medium is a difficult one, since it cannot convey voice tone and facial expression---it's very easy to be misunderstood, then to get into heated discussions over nothing. Doing it in email (where the results can be mulled-over, proofread and edited) is tough enough; doing it real time can be very tricky. Asking a novice at this medium to stake his political life on the results of a chat is probably not fair. Nor would it be fair to have only part of the set of candidates able to respond. IMHO, familiarity with computers, email, chats, etc is not a highly important criteria for selection to the NFHR board. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re[2]: Cantidate Chats
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean-- Friday, June 25, 1999, you wrote: Well, ah, ugh, gee, what will we talk about? Steve had this idea I think and it must have been for some reason. If he would put that reason into a format of what needs to be discussed, I will go along with it. I am just an enjoyer of the fjord, not a breeder or competitor, so, help a bit with what should be addressed??? There seem to be many people who from time to time express displeasure with actions or inactions of the NFHR Board of Directors. Hopefully some or all of the current candidates for the board have ideas that will address some of these areas of discontent. And hopefully, each of the candidates will have ideas of their own for improving the NFHR. If you are a member of the NFHR you do have a vote in this election. Wouldn't you like to cast that vote from a position of some knowledge of the candidates views and visions? Don't you have any opinions of what the NFHR should be doing, and don't you want to know which candidates agree with you? This is a very wide spread organization. For once, we have an opportunity to get to know the candidates from other parts of the country a little bit better. This is OUR organization. To do the best for the future of the breed we need to elect the best people to the board. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Far back, far back in our dark soul the horse prances. --D.H. Lawrence(1885-1930)
grazing muzzle
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where would one find one of these grazing muzzles? Laurie, who knows that Tor will NOT be happy about this! : )
Re: OUR FIRST FOAL HAS ARRIVED
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations, on the new member of your heard. Erika Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SHOW
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best of all things Griet!! Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 12:23 PM Subject: SHOW This message is from: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tomorrow our Askeladden has to go to his first show. At the same time he can obtain his inscription into the Belgian Fjorstudbook.He will be chipped to. Wish me luck guys griet vandenbroucke
Re: buttercups and other 'odd' horse foods
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Red maple is toxic to horses! Other maples don't seem to be a problem. Do you know what kind of maple you have near your paddocks?
Re: Feeding Fjords
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan, my Holsteiner is an easy keeper like the fjords so rather than restrict her exercise and take her away from the others, I bought the muzzle that has hard strong wire but allows a blade of grass occasionally. At first she laid a great guilt trip on me as she tried and tried to eat and to wonder what I had done to her. But after several days she easily allowed me to put it on her and did beautifully. At least she could be with the others. Also, do not forget calcium for the young and mares. Watch that ratio. That is why I like alfalfa for all. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:02 AM I've tried restricting grass by keeping them in during the day; this makes 'em mad. I'm considering getting a grazing muzzle so that they can still be out with their buddies. Has anyone used these? What do you think?
Re: OUR FIRST FOAL HAS ARRIVED
This message is from: Nathan Lapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every birth is a wonder, Michele, but the first one from a Fjord is unforgettable! And with these babies the joy goes on and on and on. Best wishes to all--mom, baby, and caretakers. Barbara Lyn
Re: Ferns, daisies and lax tendons
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I first bought my five acres the fields were a mess of buttercups, daisies and bracken fern. I had just my anglo/arab and then a year later my thoroughbred mare. I had to mow to keep the pastures looking decent. (I feed my horses all year around) Then along came Charlie, my Trakehner, and the bracken fern disappeared. Not to mention six blooms from some hidden tansy ragwart who were left with just their stalks. When Howdie my fjord arrived many of the buttercups also disappeared. I still mow the daisies but perhaps Gunnar will develop a taste for them When Charlie was born his mother was a maiden mare and Charlie was the largest foal the vet had seen We both had to pull to help him out. The vet could not lift him to carry him to his mother. So here is this giraffe like creature, down on his back pasterns, and his left legs were windswept or in other words bent or bowed outwards as the womb was too crowded. Charlie went about investigating life assuming I am sure that he was supposed to look like he did. It took two weeks of pastern wraps before he looked like a foal instead of a giraffe. Now at 17 2 1/2 hands, without shoes, he has been a champion dressage horse and is enjoying retirement at 17 years. So maybe we worry too much? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fjord List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 10:27 AM Subject: Contracted tendons and buttercup This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Contracted tendons and buttercup
This message is from: Nathan Lapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trust your horses to be smart enough to know what to eat - watch what they really DO eat - and act accordingly. It can save a lot of work. Now that's back to basics! I like it. And thanks, all, for the good information. Barbara Lyn Lapp
Re: Cantidate Chats
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, ah, ugh, gee, what will we talk about? Steve had this idea I think and it must have been for some reason. If he would put that reason into a format of what needs to be discussed, I will go along with it. I am just an enjoyer of the fjord, not a breeder or competitor, so, help a bit with what should be addressed??? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Cantidate Chats This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Candidate Chats
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:27 PM 6/25/99 -0500, you wrote: When is something on which I was trying to solicit feedback from the list. I have heard people in the east and in the far west complain about the time of Lisa's chats. I would like to get an idea what time would work best for the most people. Also what day of the week do folks think would work best? Yeah I have to admit that they are a bit late for me too. I guess 8 Eastern is about as late as I would want to see it get. I know that is only 5 on the west coast but... When we have the NFHR BOD conference call meetings they start at 8 Eastern. Sometimes they aren't over until midnight!!! I guess a weekday is best as far as I am concerned. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Harrison
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:43 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] okay Mike just plain Harrison sounds good to us, We could have called him Indiana Jones LOL. All is well here and will send in the papers soon Michele Noonan I think that will be a much more fitting name for him. I was dreading the follow ups like Jerry Fjord, Betty Fjord... You get the picture. ;-) === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OUR FIRST FOAL HAS ARRIVED
This message is from: B. Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, congratulations on your new baby!! The Fjord foals are SO CUTE!!! Bonnie Commissioned Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com and http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 2:20 PM Subject: Re: OUR FIRST FOAL HAS ARRIVED This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/25/99 6:58:37 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there is anything i need to do other than iodine on the cord stump, let me know guys, This is our first one. He hasnt nursed yet and its been two hours, im a little concerned about that, but I will go out now and work on that First, congratulations! Fjord babies are the best! I'm sure someone else will come on and tell you a lot of the same, but make sure the placenta is all there. If you can get a vet to come out, save it in a bucket of water for him to go over, otherwise, (don't know how far away from things you are in your part of Montana) go over it bit by bit and be certain that there is nothing left in the mare. If so, could be major infection brewing. Also, if you have the vet around, later in the day, have him draw blood and check for antibody levels. If your baby hasn't had enough colostrum, there is a limited window that you have to get the colostrum in there. Probably by now your foal has nursed? Yes? If not, try milking just a little out of the mare, rubbing it on her bag, a little on your fingers, and help guide the baby there. Usually once they get a taste, you're out of the woods. The vet also checks for cleft palate on a routine basis, and gives some couple of injections the first day. That's all I can think of now, but I know others will fill you in on more. In the meantime, enjoy your baby! Pamela
Re: Harrison
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] okay Mike just plain Harrison sounds good to us, We could have called him Indiana Jones LOL. All is well here and will send in the papers soon Michele Noonan
Re[2]: Candidate Chats
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike-- Friday, June 25, 1999, you wrote: Please give me some response on the idea of these chats, even if it is that you could care less about what the candidates think. I am bewildered by the total silence on this proposal. Well I think it is a great idea Steve. Any idea of when yet? === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar When is something on which I was trying to solicit feedback from the list. I have heard people in the east and in the far west complain about the time of Lisa's chats. I would like to get an idea what time would work best for the most people. Also what day of the week do folks think would work best? -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Far back, far back in our dark soul the horse prances. --D.H. Lawrence(1885-1930)
Re: buttercups and other 'odd' horse foods
This message is from: Martie John Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been following the buttercup postings. We have a lot of buttercups and the horses do not seem to bother them. Even the Fjord, who eats almost anything else. But I DO have a horse that eats Poison Ivy, Wild Rose, Green Briars and Maple Tree leaves. Are these things toxic to horses? I can't imagine that any of this would taste good enough to eat! (I recently found out that the daylilies they were munching ARE good to eat, even for people - have had them in salad a few times; go figure). Martie, John and Kilar in HOT Maryland where summer has suddenly arrived with a vengeance. Got to post later about recent WONDERFUL drives with Kilar and bore everyone! I think we are finally learning to be a Team.
Re: Foal Update
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:23 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote: Hey Mike May i'm going to send in his papers soon. Could you check and see if their is already a Harrison Fjord already registered. so i can think of something to add on if there is? Thanks No I would remember that one if there was one. Are you sure you want to name him that? Think about it showing up on pedigree's if you happen to keep him a stallion. How about just Harrison? That is also available. You can still use the rest of it as a barn name if you want to. mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chewing
This message is from: Martie John Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cathy, About the Citronella - I think one of the fly wipe products we are using has Citronella in it. FlySect? It works pretty well for us for regular flies and misquitoes. I had not heard it was dangerous. Nothing seems to hit the horseflies and green-heads and deer flies around here. For the horse flies on the abdomen, we use a thick pasty stuff called Swat (?). It comes in pink and clear, but the clear is hard to find. All of my beasties run around with pink 'tender-parts' to keep out the really nasty blood suckers. It smells bad (stong chemical smell). I have had numerous silly comments about my horses looking peculiar, but 'tis better than being bucked off or having the cart kicked to pieces when one of the big fellas bites! Adobe Hacienda wrote: This message is from: Adobe Hacienda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know about sprays containing citronella. I was told some bees are attracted by it and horses have been killed that were sprayed with it. I was considering Clack (sp?) the fly spray mentioned on this list but see it has citronella. Thanks for the help Cathy Sedona, AZ
Foal Update
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You to all that replied to our new foal this morning. Harrison is doing well and they went into the dry clean stall within an hour after birth and she hasnt let him out since. The weather improved and now its sunny. He nursed at two hours old and I called the vet and went and got the Vitamin E and Selinium shot. She said since he is nursing and she had plenty of milk that didnt leak out prior to delivery his antibodies were probably great. (Hope so) He was making a rattly sound in his nose after nursing, it was really noisy and the vet said to check for cleft palate. I looked and the roof of his mouth looks fine. Would this be way in the back of his mouth? If so i need to check better. But he seems to be better now i think it was just milk up his nose. Opal did the cutest thing!!! The baby tried to hide behind her and she pushed him out towards me and kept her head by his butt so he couldnt get away from me while i rubbed him. How nice!!! now he comes right up to me. Hey Mike May i'm going to send in his papers soon. Could you check and see if their is already a Harrison Fjord already registered. so i can think of something to add on if there is? Thanks Thanks Everyone We are so excited Thanks Gustov you beautiful stud Thanks Shirley Anderson for selling us a beautiful mare and baby Michele Noonan Stevensville, Montana
SHOW
This message is from: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tomorrow our Askeladden has to go to his first show. At the same time he can obtain his inscription into the Belgian Fjorstudbook.He will be chipped to. Wish me luck guys griet vandenbroucke
Re: Cantidate Chats
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/25/99 10:32:11 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please give me some response on the idea of these chats, even if it is that you could care less about what the candidates think. I am bewildered by the total silence on this proposal. Such a good idea, and we didn't respond!!! Sorry. I'll try to make it to a candidate chat, even if it means missing the X-Files this week (Lisa, forgive me g). I think I know who my vote is going to, from what the candidates had to say about themselves on the sheet that came with the ballot. But they all sounded pretty good, and concerned with the future of the breed. It would be a great thing to be able to pick their brains a little bit more. Pamela
Re: BUTTS to WASH
This message is from: Julia Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:17 AM 6/25/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julia, Be aware that wood shavings will make the little guys scour more. Wonder why that is? In any case, we don't use wood shavings, and our mares and foals are out on pasture with a run-in shed for the heat of the day. At the moment...all rears are clean, and we are getting some much needed rain! Julie
Re: Cantidate Chats
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:26 PM 6/25/99 -0500, you wrote: Please give me some response on the idea of these chats, even if it is that you could care less about what the candidates think. I am bewildered by the total silence on this proposal. Well I think it is a great idea Steve. Any idea of when yet? === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cantidate Chats
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now that I'm back from vacation and not having to rely on public libraries and cybercafes for list access, I'll get back to my suggestion for a NFHR board candidate chat. I'm truly amazed and disappointed that _NOBODY_ has commented on the idea. Could it be that everyone but me knows all the candidates so well that they have no questions they would like to ask them? Come on folks, this is an opportunity you've never really had before. You don't have to choose your next board members by flipping a coin. I would also like to do a similar chat for each of the officer candidates for the MWFHC, since the ballot arrived in the mail today. Please give me some response on the idea of these chats, even if it is that you could care less about what the candidates think. I am bewildered by the total silence on this proposal. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears. --Arabian proverb
Contracted tendons and buttercup
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, the two are not related. However, I wish to respond to both subjects. Regarding contracted tendons on foals: We had this happen to our first two foals (both from the same mare and stallion). The first foal (a colt) our vet used leg splints on. The foal was very accomplished at romping in them - they didn't slow him down a bit. He grew up to be a fine horse with straight legs. The second foal (a filly) was a bit less contracted, so we used physical therapy on her - the same as is used to stretch human tendons. Two or three times a day we stretched her legs - hold the toe in one hand and gently stretch the knee backwards with your other hand. Just a few stretches per leg each time. Her legs straightened out in about a week and she is also a fine mare with straight legs. We began to wonder why this mare was giving us foals with contracted tendons. Our vet had read a paper which suggested that giving the mare too much supplement during gestation might be part of the problem. So we cut out the Mare Plus supplement and just used a regular supplement meant for all horses (and at the rate for regular horses) the next time. Result: Same mare and stallion, no contracted tendons. We have not had any foals with contracted tendons since then. The mare goes back on Mare Plus or Mare and Foal supplements as soon as she foals. Regarding buttercup: Here in the Pacific Northwest we have buttercup of every kind everywhere! To eradicate it would be a joke! Our horses do not eat it - or only eat a bite here and there - and we have never had any problems with it. It will be reduced in your pastures if you keep it mowed - it does not like to be mowed we have found. Other than that we leave it alone, and so do our horses. There are some things even Fjords are generally too smart to eat. Even our horses in pens with no grass leave it alone. There are large clumps growing within easy reach and they never bother it. I assume our Fjords are not just smarter than other Fjords. Trust your horses to be smart enough to know what to eat - watch what they really DO eat - and act accordingly. It can save a lot of work. Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Buttercups
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding buttercups...it is a toxic weed to horses if eaten in mass quantities. If it is the only forage in the paddock and the horse eats it without any grass they will get a belly ache. Most horses will avoid bitter plants like this if offered grass or hay as those a sweet and tasty. Some horses will eat it in small amounts if they like the taste or if they need it. As in for it's medicinal properties. I had an appy mare who always ate wild onions. I was worried b/c onions, like potatoes are poisonous to horses. I finally decided that as she was in a huge field with tons of grass, that either she really liked those onions or she was self medicating. Also...be careful when mowing grazing areas as the oil and gas are deposited on the grass as it is cut. That can be poisonous to horses too. Kate
Re: OUR FIRST FOAL HAS ARRIVED
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michele, Congratulations on the foal. By know you have probably heard from others, but my suggestion is to be very cautious leaving the new born foal out in cold, rainy weather. They don't have a lot of stored reserves when they are born, and even when they get good colostrum, they can chill easily, especially because they like to lie down a lot. If the weather continues as you describe it, I would suggest bringing mom and baby inside, and drying the foal off as best you can. Bill Coli
Scours/buttercup
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] They say that only a few ounces of buttercup can kill a horse. (Check out Equus June 99). It appears here and there and I try my darndest to get it up and mostly just clip it at the ground. I reseed my pastures heavily each year and that really cuts down on it. I don't know about being dried not being toxic, but I wouldn't count on that. Any coments Dr. Jacobsen? I tried this for foal heat or any scours, I give 10 grm of probiotics at birth and ten grams again at four days. Ever since I started doing that the foal heat diarhea is over with fast! I did learn a couple of years ago something you guys might find interesting. An equine nurtitionist told me that even orphan foals have 'foal heat scours' so it actually has nothing to do with the mare's heat cycle. One thing that I found helps curb mouthiness is to push as much rope as they can take in their mouth and wrap it around---not to gag--but just to make it uncomfortable, with the idea that making the wrong thing uncomfortable and the right thing comfortable. I think Fjords are generally kind of mouthy. My pasture is too rich to leave Fjords out on all day long. I could founder the lot. I leave them out from 3 to five hours (lactacting mares get the long stint) When I dry lot them I give them a little bit of dry grass in the evening so it's not too long without feed and they don't get too bored. You can give them a supplement to help minerals and vitamins not gotten on the grass. I do feed a little alfalfa grass hay too for protein levels. I have a questions about contracted tendons in Fjords and would like people to be honest. Does this seem a little more prevelant with Fjords than other breeds? I had one foal who was slightly contracted at birth, but he came down after two days. The only other time I had it was a filly who injured herself at four months. She was running around on some rocks. She was excellent at birth, not pushed by feed, etc. We got the surgery and she was fine. For foal contracted at birth there is a shot you can give that will bring them down. You have about a week to get that shot but it has a high success rate. Okay, love the list, very informative. Misha
Re: OUR FIRST FOAL HAS ARRIVED
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/25/99 6:58:37 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there is anything i need to do other than iodine on the cord stump, let me know guys, This is our first one. He hasnt nursed yet and its been two hours, im a little concerned about that, but I will go out now and work on that First, congratulations! Fjord babies are the best! I'm sure someone else will come on and tell you a lot of the same, but make sure the placenta is all there. If you can get a vet to come out, save it in a bucket of water for him to go over, otherwise, (don't know how far away from things you are in your part of Montana) go over it bit by bit and be certain that there is nothing left in the mare. If so, could be major infection brewing. Also, if you have the vet around, later in the day, have him draw blood and check for antibody levels. If your baby hasn't had enough colostrum, there is a limited window that you have to get the colostrum in there. Probably by now your foal has nursed? Yes? If not, try milking just a little out of the mare, rubbing it on her bag, a little on your fingers, and help guide the baby there. Usually once they get a taste, you're out of the woods. The vet also checks for cleft palate on a routine basis, and gives some couple of injections the first day. That's all I can think of now, but I know others will fill you in on more. In the meantime, enjoy your baby! Pamela
OUR FIRST FOAL HAS ARRIVED
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well it happened just like we thought it would. We checked her at 5:30 am and no foal, at 6:30 there he was on the ground and shivering. Opal did a great job and let us come in and help her get him warm and love on him. We are going to name him Harrison Fjord Harry for short. Dont know enough Norwegian boy names to pick one , so went with something cute. He's beautiful, if i do say so myself. Gonna be a brown dun, Of course we have a huge thunderstorm going thru and it is cold. If there is anything i need to do other than iodine on the cord stump, let me know guys, This is our first one. He hasnt nursed yet and its been two hours, im a little concerned about that, but I will go out now and work on that Bye for now Michele Noonan In the rainy, windy, stormy Bitteroot Valley, Montana
BUTTS to WASH
This message is from: Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julia, Be aware that wood shavings will make the little guys scour more. We found that if we can pasture and place mares on a a lower protein diet during this time will help. In California, our foals never had the scour. Here in Oregon, it was a different story. 12 little butts to clean medicate and try to keep dry and cool. Good Luck!
Re: Chewing
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We buy something called Bitter Apple at the local pet store, it's a spray that tastes AWFUL but isn't a health hazard. This seems to work well for chewing, but don't think it would help a horse that is nippy toward people - you wouldn't want to spray yourself with this stuff! Jan
Feeding Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, list. I've got a question about feeding fjords, particularly pregnant mares. I've been feeding other boodmares for years, but not these fuzzy little marshmallows - they gain weight on a bucket of water! All of my fjords have access to full-time pasture, and that seems to keep everyone more than well-fed. I do like to grain the youngsters and the lactating and pregnant mares, as they need more protein for their various jobs. BUT - a little grain goes a long way with these guys! In fact, four oats and a corn kernel seem to be overload! I know the youngsters and mares have increased protein needs to lay down good bone, or to grow a healthy baby - but how do you feed them without turning them into the Goodyear Blimp? I've tried restricting grass by keeping them in during the day; this makes 'em mad. I'm considering getting a grazing muzzle so that they can still be out with their buddies. Has anyone used these? What do you think? Any suggestions about adding Protein to their diet without adding pounds will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jan
Hard Hats
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, my, aren't we all so much wiser than when we were young, when we thought we knew it all. When I was a kid, I wouldn't be seen dead in a hard hat unless forced by show rules or whatever. Now, many years and wrecks later, being seen dead without one seems like a real possibility! I was a little dismayed at Equitana to find some of the most popular teachers (notably Pat Parelli) who rode with no hard hat, as well as having a couple dozen students there with no hat either. I realize he is a cowboy and they just don't - but he is also a role model for all of those folks there watching him. Seems like he could make an exception for the sake of teaching safety - it's such a simple thing, but would be a meaningful gesture to all those there who admire him. Not to criticize Mr. Parelli - I was very impressed with his demo. Anyone who can get such consistant results with his own horses as well as student-trained horses is doing something right.
contracted tendons
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, I had a colt that was born with contracted tendons, like the ones you described: so severe he could not nurse w/out assistance. He was the first foal for a very small mare, by our stallion who is 14.hh and has never produced a foal with this problem. Our vet was really gung - ho about doing some kind of surgery on him, which we immediatly ruled out (thank goodness) as being the idea of a surgical zealot. Instead we did some quick research on homeopathic and passive massage remedies, as we had a very good homeopathic learning center and pharmacy close by in Sacramento. They reccomended a combination of Ruta gravolens (Rue) and Arnica tinctures (mixed into a base of lubricating jelly),massaged into the affected areas, and also taking a course of Arnica 30x internally. The little guys legs were also splinted for a week, using custom made PVC splints and loads of sheet cotton and a small fortune in vet wrap. Twice a day we unwrapped him and did the passive (gentle) massage foe 1/2hr or so, and then re-splinted him. During all this intensive treatment, this colt was undeterred from galloping about with his sister, rearing on his hindlegs and peddaling with his splinted legs. The outcome: this horse has grown up with tree trunks for legs that you could hold a plumb bob up to. Arnie was even named after one of the ingredients from his cure, Arnica. And our vet? He was amazed! Karen ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
