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This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so I said I was done for the year bragging, just one more!! I rode my horse, O.H. Silas this summer,in the Creekview Circuit. (local open circuit) The Grand and Reserve placing just came out, we got Grand in Novice Hunter over Fences, Reserve in Novice Hunter Hack, Reserve in Maiden English Walk-Trot and Grand in Jr. Horse English Pleasure. YIPEE We didn't always win, but we placed in all of our classes this year and usually always up in one, two or third, so I was VERY happy to say the least to see the results. This will be my first year going to the banquet and recieving awards. I give all the credit to my FJORD horse, he worked very hard and was great! Silas is actually happy as a lark right now, as I've given him the last couple of weeks off. Well deserved time off I'd say. One final note, we are having our annual 4H trail ride this Sat. and there will be 4 or 5 Fjords there. Think our record was 4 one year. Great to see other Fjords at special functions. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
fjords and barrel racing
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope, We sold a fjord gelding to a family who uses him for trail, pleasure shows and barrel racing. I started him out as a pleasure mount for their daughter. She in turn found out they BOth love to do barrels. They don't do any high level competitions but they have done local shows with the big boys(girls too :-)). They compete against big QH's, arabs, crosses, whatever is there. She seems to always be in the ribbons. When competing against just kids she can walk away with the trophy. That boy is fast. Always has been. She won one class with 20 entries, all kids, but some of those horses are real barrel racers. I wanted to start him out huntseat, but the daughter wanted western. So, being a willing Fjord I got a jog on him and slowed him down. But, he is an english moving horse! She has done well at the open shows with him. 4H and such. She is always in the ribbons there as well. It is just a lot harder to win against those QH's in the pleasure classes. I have told her to watch not just running him all the time or you'll lose the pleasure show horse, but this boy is smart and he really knows what is going on I think. Her mom told me this fall that next year her daughter wants to learn huntseat and hunter hack with him, finally!!! No, she is not converting all the way, she wants to do both western and english at the pleasure shows. You have to have the right Fjord(horse) to do barrels. Not all want to go that fast and not all will come down nice and easy and only go when you want them to. I don't think they are really built for barrel racing nor are most of their personalities suited for it, but if they are doing low level racing I'm sure they will be fine. In this issue of the Herald coming out, is a picture of her winning high point(fun classes/all speed classes) at the 4H show in Manitowoc WI. You'll see all the ribbons hanging on the reins. She also had trophies! Her name is Keelie and the horse is F.A. Jake. They are a great team. She is 12 I believe,she has had him for 2 yrs and this is her first horse. She does take lessons on him. That is what has helped them the most I believe. She also is a natural,just like Jake that helps too! Patti Jo Walter
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This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, I just have to brag one last time this season!!! I took O.H. Silas to the WDCTA (Wisconsin Dressage Combined Training Assoc.) show in Plymouth Wi. We did a combined test with 2'6 jumps with the Novice A riding test. HE WAS AWESOME jumping. We had the BEST course of the year, what a way to end the season. We had only done 2ft classes in all the shows we've been going to so far. I just started him this May in jumping and didn't want to over do it the first year. Well when the show came up and they only had 18 or 2'6 I went for it. I knew he could do it, we practice with 2'6 all the time and our lessons are at 2'6 but at shows those jumps ALWAYS look bigger than at home. I was just so thrilled with his performance today, our class was smooth and in my opinion near perfect. Each stride was the same as the last, each jump he took straight and at the right spot. Think he came off on the correct lead every jump. IT WAS JUST SOOO MUCH FUN. I really think he needs just a little bigger jump than 2ft, those little ones he is too smart for, doesn't take him effort. I just hope he will keep going at this level for a long long time. I have no real desire to jump over 3ft!! He never even batted an eye at any of the jumps. They had barrels under the poles, straw bales, brick wall, gates. Nothing was just poles, I loved it. I don't like just the cross poles or plain verticals, it gets boring. I like color and real fillers. :-) I had one lady come up to me and say, I watched your jumping and I thought to myself, if I had a horse like that, I would like to jump. He is just so steady and calm. Yup, just the way I like them I said. We ended the day with 2 seconds, a third and a fourth. We rode the combined tests, along with training level tests. This was our only dressage show we did all year, we were busy with the jumping circuit and flat pleasure classes. Our flat classes were ok but nothing special. Joni Griffin and Paula Steinmetz both from the Milwaukee area came to the show. Joni brought Jock, her gelding and Paula was signed up to bring Bogie, but at the last minute decided against it. He isn't quite ready but I'm hoping the next show we can all show together, it was just exciting having another Fjord at the show, can't believe how great it would be to have more!! Joni and Jock had a memoriable experience, it was their first dressage show. Joni got a little nervous and Jock was his true blue self. He is usually steady as a rock, but he just didn't know what to make of that white dressage fence. They had some troubles but they got better and I'm sure with more shows they would be placing!! Thanks for listening!!! On another note, regarding Fjords being herd bound or barn sour. I don't find that the case at all. I've started out a lot of Fjords. Only a couple screamed for thier buddies but they soon got over it with daily riding and training. I ride alone all the time but I do and will seperate and make the young stock be pastured alone and I rotate horses in paddocks or pastures. So they don't get use to the same old same old. They have to get use to change or they get like us humans, stuck in their routine. I find the Fjords to be very secure and independent at a very young age compared to a lot of other breeds. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords
update to serious question
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Just an update. Thank you all for your responses, both on the list and private. You really have been VERY supportive and helpful. What a wonderful group of people and what a wonderful resource the list is. Thank you STEVE for starting it! I just wanted you all to know that the owner will be doing some further testing on this gelding, I also will keep working with him. Starting him all over from the beginning, nice and slow and easy. Since it really seems to be a riding issue, so far on the ground(doing round pen work) he is perfect. Not having to do anything really new or hard he's quite happy. :-) I am being super cautious and thank you all for your concern. Believe me I don't want to get hurt either. I'd be the first one to pack it in. I just can't give up on him yet. Not sure if I'm just stubborn, pure horse lover, or somewhat crazy but I really think he can come around. I have given up on other horses so I'm relying on my instincts somewhat with this guy. We have a plan and some avenues to check into, so I just wanted you all to know you really have helped both of us, the owner and myself thank you. I'll keep you posted from time to time and let you know what we find out and how he is doing. Sure it will be a long time before he is really riding, so don't think you'll be forgotten about,this is just gonna take a long long while. Janet McNally; good thing Christ came along just incase this horse goes astray they'd have to stone the horse and the owner and probably me :-) I'm praying the Lord gives me wisdom in dealing with this horse and I sure wouldn't mind if he just spoke some horse sense into him as well! Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
Serious Question for the list
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a very serious question I would like to throw out to the list. PLEASE think before you answer and PLEASE don't judge or be critical. I have in my barn a 7 or 8 year old Fjord Gelding. He was sent to me to work with as since May he has not been himself. He started bolting and spooking at things he has never cared about before. His owner thought it was mostly white things and things that made noise. Like a nylon jacket, crackling or rustling noise and things that floated. She knew that he was not the same horse he was before May. She can think of NOTHING that had happened to him to change him so. On one occasion a friend on her fjord took her jacket off and that set this gelding into a full bolt, he was just standing next to the other fjord. The owner was dumped, luckily not serious hurt. But they were in an indoor arena, he took her out the gate, down the aisle of the barn and out the front door. We are not just talking a little spook here. The owner had 2 or 3 very serious bolting incidents with him, that lost her trust in him and hence I got him. When she brought him to my farm, the first ride was quite a memory maker. We tacked him up in the barn, perfect gentleman. Brought him outside and I mounted him. I just got into the saddle and got situated when he threw his head down and started bucking like a bronc. He got the reins out of my hands since I was just into the saddle and not expecting this,needless to say I ended up in the dirt, actually blacktop! His owner said and I believe her, He has NEVER bucked a day in his life, neither with someone on him or on the lunge line. Again NOT HIMSELF. In regards to bolting, I myself have had him bolt several several times with me. I have been more success in getting him spun around before he can get too far. He bolts for little things,like when I rubbed my helmet on my head. I had an itchy head and just moved my helmet around on my head, it made a little Styrofoam noise, that was it, bang. The little noise was too much. Another time I moved my whip from one side to the other. He has been ridden with a whip for 5 years. We did get his eyes checked they were fine. I'm thinking, can you get a brain checked? Another thing to add, he is a big fellow, 15.1 and probably 1250lbs. He was riding very well before this happened, well trained. Never abused or mistreated, like I said very good ground manners and no mean bone in his body. Owner has owned him almost his whole life. Think since he was a yearling or 2 yr old. After working with him, I have assessed this is a major problem and a long haul commitment in which it might be fixable but nothing that will be fixed overnight, and there is no guarantee. His owner has lost her confidence with him and doesn't think she ever will get it back with him. She doesn't want anyone else to get hurt on him and doesn't know what to do with him. My question to the list is, What does a person do with a horse that they think is dangerous? She isn't sure she could sell him in good conscience even telling the buyer what is the problem, will they listen and would they get hurt or killed? Giving him away poses the same problem. Do you put them down? Is there a place for him? Does anyone have any solutions? You could either email me privately or discuss this on the list. She is open to suggestions and I would like to hear what people think. This is a heartbreaker for her, she is very attached to him and this is very heavy on my heart as well. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
fjords as kids horses
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everything that everyone has been talking about as Fjords for kids is true with ANY breed. Why do you just say Fjords. Sheri Kane hit the nail on the head, it is a respect issue. That is true with any breed, just like she said. So the Fjords will show their strength or go their own way if they don't respect you. Do you know what other breeds do, bolt, rear, buck, bite, they too will shove, evade the bit, etc etc etc. Fjords can do these too, but for the most part they get bully. I am a 4H leader, I see all year long what other breeds do with kids. Some kids are naturally talented both in the saddle and handling horses, they are strongwilled and let the horse know it, other kids are timid and afraid. Guess who has the problems? Those timid kids want to ride, but they literally just want to be a passenger up there. They command no respect from the horse. Those are the kids that need the most well broke honest horse around. Basically most kids don't want to learn to ride they just want to ride. Think it has to do with the I want things now mentality of our society. Kids have to be taught HOW to handle horses, along with riding. I agree that young Fjords and young kids aren't the best answer. I tell buyers please go out and buy an older well trained suitable horse for your child, any breed. I just think we sometimes forget that Fjords are horses. A good majority are great horses for kids and a lot aren't. You need to know your horse and your kid. I think the breed in general is by far better off better for kids than other breeds. I have had several other breeds of horses and see the Fjords as the best with kids yet. I have had some of my 4H'ers bring my horses to shows. I have had some take lessons and even some have bought some Fjords for their kids. We even have taken many out on trail rides. I THANK GOD, and I mean that, nothing has ever happened, not even close. I contribute that to the Fjords! When I was in Germany, a large stable there gives riding lessons to kids. I believe they have something like 100 kids a week. He has been doing it for 30 yrs, NEVER having a serious accident, he too said it was due to having FJORDS. They also teach the kids VAULTING on the horse. Think you better have a steady breed to do what he is doing, he knows it, that is why he has Fjords. Being a breeder, trainer, and active in our local Fjord club. The biggest thing that gets me with this breed is the lack of thinking these are horses. I think when we have them for a while we forget how other breeds are, and/or we forget they are a horse. All different with their own personality and disposition. My Fjord may not be like my neighbors, in looks, color and disposition/personality. One Fjord is not the same as every Fjord. That is what a horse in general is, in any breed. You have to consider personality and disposition. I have not had much terrible with my Fjords, I expect them to behave. No ifs, ands or buts. I have had trouble with outside Fjords coming in for training. I know, Rich Monheim who is a certified John Lyons trainer in Eagle River Wi would say the same thing. A lot of very disrespectful Fjords, who's owners have not taught them to be respectful. Fjords are horses, they are very smart animals and will walk all over you, your child, whomever if you let them. Please people learn HOW to teach your horse manners. If you send it off to a trainer, learn from them, otherwise that horse will come back home and within days or hours it will be the same as before, walking all over you. I guess I should get down from my soap box. I could go on and on but I think (hope) I got my message across without anything get mixed up in cyberspace. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
brag alert
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know I sound like a broken record but am so VERY excited I just had to write. O.H. Silas and I went to the final show of an open circuit we've been doing since May. In May we had our first jumping classes, we were not very good, but do more work/practice. Our last show, today, we placed first in a 2 ft class and first in hunter hack. I think we would have placed first in our 18 class but I was day dreaming and took the first line wrong. I came back and did the right course but it was too late you are disqualified when you go off course, but that was our BEST ride! I was just thrilled to win two first, we also placed in all our other classes, we did 5 flat classes. There were 8-20 in the classes, Silas was great. Even when we placed 4th or 5th I was happy, I thought we did much better than that, but he is a true QH judge and likes NO contact and neck/heads too low. I refuse to ride that way and hence it's VERY hard to get 1st, but he liked us. He didn't even know what Breed we were!! HA We have one dressage show left in Sept. That will be a nice change of pace, and we're so ready for that as well. Thanks for listening everyone!!! Hope others are having as much fun showing off their Fjords as I am this year. Patti
Fjords Kids go together!!
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just have to brag about our 4H show last Sat. July 27th in Manitowoc WI. I am on the 4H Horse Committee and could not have been prouder. I announced that day and also brought a 3 yr old gelding, O.H. Uljar. Might be nuts to try and do both jobs! UGH, but that is another story. The girl I had riding him was a big help and so are her parents, so I had little to worry about. Tabitha is 13 and very good with horses. She rides an arab at home, but he can not be shown as he gets too excitable. They have tried for years but he just can't settle down, so she was thrilled when I asked if she would ride one of mine. Uljar was not the only Fjord there that day. Two other Fjords, Clay Ridge Britta and Fair Acres Jake were also showing. Jake and Britta ride western and Uljar goes english. It was Britta and Uljar's first show but you would not have known that. Uljar got a 1st in draft halter(just the fjords in that class), 2nd in w/t english pleasure and 6th in equitation w/t. The pleasure classes had 8 and 10 in them respectively. Jake got a 4th in horsemanship, 2nd in bareback pleasure w/t, 3rd in w/t western pleasure and all kinds of placings in the fun classes, in which they won high point for their age division in the fun class division. Britta got a 4th in bareback pleasure w/t, 5th in western pleasure w/t and several placings in the fun classes. They were s adorable. Britta was ridden by a 12 yr old girl who has never shown before, Jake was ridden by his owner Keelie age 12, who first started showing last year. They were all great and really proved that Fjords can do very well in the open shows. I wanted so much to yell and scream when the girls placed but held it together, seeing I was the announcer,thought it might not be too professional. :-) I think one of the biggest things, I think, that the Fjords have going for them in the ring is how steady and consistent they are. Even when they are young, if trained right they sure hold it together nicely. I'm hoping next year we have even MORE Fjords there!! Oh, all three are different color, so that was kind of neat as well. Uljar is gray, Britta is red and Jake is brown and you know Uljar only whinnied when he saw the other Fjords, could have cared less about all the other horses in the ring. In one class there were 20 horses, he didn't place in that one,he was good, but just not good enough, too many good older well trained horses, but he did all that he was suppose to and was well behaved. I was proud of him and the other two Fjords plus all the girls!! Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI
Blue Earth
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] We made it back early this morning from Blue Earth MN. IT was great!! I took O.H. Silas, my 5 yr old white dun gelding and Viktor Fra Skaghaug an imported 2 yr old brown dun stallion, owned by Tim Hamlett. What a blast I had. I went with my husband, Dave, my friend Joni Griffin and my son Patrick along with his friend Frank. Didn't see much of Dave, Patrick or Frank, but Joni and I sure got to catch up on things. There was around 80 Fjord horses at the show, numbers were a little down as most heard some people decided to go to the evaluation in IL in Aug and not the show. BUT in any case it was a nice show, classes were good size, especially the driving ones,but even the pleasure riding classes had good numbers. I'll be writing an article for the Herald on the show but I'd like to take him to brag about my horse Silas. :-) We came home with Res. Champ, the judge just loved him. Told me, he looks like nothing else here! He is VERY elegant looking and just gets your attention. So I was very happy to get Res. Champ in halter, never ever crossed my mind that we would get it, what a great feeling. We also got first in English Pleasure, Hunter Hack, Halter(45 yr old geldings), Second in drive/ride, western pleasure(which we've NEVER done before-horse or rider!), we also placed in costume, bareback josting, ride a buck and trail. The only class we didn't place in was barrels, (I got brain dead and screwed up the pattern-opps!) I'm an english rider and felt very out of my territory there, but had fun trying. Oh, Silas also went into Log Skid. Walt Monheim, Bits and Wheels Ranch, Eagle River Graciously accepted my plea in take him in. Walt did a practice run with him about 2 hrs before the class and decided Silas could do it. They were great in the class, for his first time every pulling a log and first time with Walt he was great, he didn't freak or do anything stupid, I was very proud of Silas and WALT too!!! Walt was great. Silas is more trained with a whip and has not been driven much this year at all,but still was looking good out there. That was a huge class, 11 or 12 in the class and it was a very hard course, don't think anyone had a clean run. I just think Silas is wonderful, what a versatile horse, english, western, pleasure driving, log skid, barrels(ok, maybe not), hunter hack, halter,wow I am sure a proud owner. Now I have to work even harder to keep him going nice and even better for next year!!! The Blue Earth Show had a huge surprise this year. We found out that 110 Norwegians from Norway were coming to our show. We put on a flag demonstration for them and a little demo. We also handed out pins to all our guests they were very impressed with our Fjord Horses in America. It was a show to remember!! Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI
brag alert
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just have to brag about my gelding O.H. Silas and our open show we went to yesterday. We went into 9 classes and placed in all 9. We had between 7-15 horses in each class. I really wanted a trophy but was very happy with 2-seconds, 3-thirds, 3-fourths, and a fifth. It pretty much is a QH circuit, judge really liked those QH's so it's pretty hard to get a first but getting in the top three in some of those classes to me was like winning. We went in 3 jumping classes. Silas was very good, very proud of him. Just too many seasoned well trained horses to get a first yesterday, but I just am very happy with how he rode. We did have a little trouble with our leads and he even felt a little off but the judge liked us and it was a fun fun day. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords
Can you help?
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, Have a favor to ask everyone. I was selected to be the club's historian for the Midwest Fjord Horse Club. I started a scrapbook, which is coming along very nicely I might add, but I need a little help. If anyone out there would have pictures from any MWFHC's events, say like the Winter meetings/clinic or Blue Earth Breed Show or an evaluation the club put on. I would LOVE to have them(so would the club). Sorry you won't get them back, but maybe you could make doubles? If expense is a problem I'm sure the club would reimburse you for your prints. I need pictures from the years 1999,2000,2001,2002. These would be the winter meetings with Wayne Hipsley, Sharon Makurat, Anne Appleby Gayle Ware and this year with Brian Ursula Jensen. Also any photos from Blue Earth Breed Show /or the evalution the club put on in 1999,2000 and 2001 would also be needed. I think the scrap book is a great idea. It has been a lot of work but I think everyone for years to come will enjoy seeing how the club started, how it has progressed and what it has accomplished over the years. Also if anyone has any special mailings or invitations or articles from 1999-present on the club I could use those as well. If you have some photos/articles you could send don't forget to included names of those in the photos and mail them to: Patti Jo Walter 4405 Moody Lane Two Rivers WI 54241 You may email me if you have any questions, we really appreciate your help on this matter and for those in other clubs it may be a good idea to bring back to your club and see if someone wants to under take this project. Thank you in advance to anyone who can help us out. patti
mare for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I am posting this for a friend. 7 yr old dead broke Fjord mare for sale. This mare rides/drives has been shown, trail, ridden/driven in parades, ridden in the Wagon Train of Wisconsin, used by countless beginners, children and adult, used as a lesson horse. She really has done it all. She has a huge trot on her! This is a horse that EVERYONE wants!! She also is a BIG mare. She is 15-15.1hh. She was shown western, english and in driving. She has had two colts both big healthy and correct, a very good mom. She is by Anvil's Jon and out of Sonja. I started this mare and owned her for a few years, the current owner is having some health problems and needs to cut down on the herd. Sara is in Michigan and the owner is asking $7500.00. Sara has a foal/colt on her side which is also for sale for $2500.00 or buy the two for $95000.00 The foal is by our stallion Fair Acres Ole. If you're looking for a Fjord that you can use right away, that just about anyone can ride/drive this is a mare you should look at. You can contact the owner directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] her name is Diane. I believe Diane said she will be weaning the colt in Aug. If you're thinking you'd rather buy young and less experience and pay less that is too bad. In the end you'll probably pay just as much if not more and who knows if you'll have as quiet and steady a horse as you know you do here. Experience and training are well worth the price. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
breeding hobbles
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Question was brought up about breeding hobbles. I have used them,but found that the mare can still kick. She can not kick as hard, but I didn't like the risk to mare and/or stallion if one would get caught up in it or like Lauren said if mare went nuts and it would be too much pressure on her spine. Lauren and Julie are sooo correct. Breeding is a risky business for all involved. We have had our share of cranky mares. Some mares with very little patience for breeding, some mares in heat but not a true heat,as they won't allow a stallion to mount. Mares with foals, etc etc. I thank God every time we breed. I trust my stallion, not 100% but he has seen enough mares to be aware at times, and he sure knows more than I know when it's a good mare or a be catious mare. AND HE REMEMBERS THAT MARE!!! He makes me laugh some times at the things he will do. Like one mare, very very hard to breed. Ole would take his time, talk very gentle to hear, smell her, kiss her sides. All of this to the side of her so he would not get kicked. Then when he thought it was safe, he would put his head on her rump and put a lot of weight thru his head onto her rump,taking it off putting it on. As if he was testing her, thinking, if she will allow weight perhaps she will allow me! Smart fellow. I've heard a lot of people complain about the price of breeding, I just hand the lead rope of my stallion to the mare owner and say do you want to be at the end of this rope with 1200 pounds of hormones!!! None have said yes yet. It is not always the funnest place to be. I must say I enjoy being able to be a part of making life. I am thrilled for the new owners and thrilled that my stallion will beable to pass on his great qualities. These facts out way the negatives and so I will continue to stand a stud,or at this time two! We have taken in a young imported stallion from Norway. He is owned by Tim Hamlett, IA. Tim has asked me if I would train, Viktor, and in return Viktor will be standing at stud on our farm. We will not start using him until next year. Viktor is a 2 yr old this year, we are planning to bring him to Blue Earth and to the evalution in Galena. He is a very sweet stallion, very streamlined and very correct. He is a nice looking boy and I'm excited to see what the judges will think of him. He is by Veslekar and out of Mailis who was evaluation and got a 1.1pr. Mailis is out of Faksi a yellow dun mare Faksi's dam is Line who is a white dun. Viktor also has the Myrstein line(elite stallion in Holland), Saethersblakken, Radar, Edna(white) and Ernarson line. He has some very nice bloodlines. Tim did well in picking out Viktor. Viktor was evalutated as a yearling in Norway and was the highest scoring yearling in the bunch. Finally summer in Wisconsin. Hot and Humid Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI
foal count
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add one more filly to the count. Fair Acres Ole and Fair Acres Solvieg produced a large gorgeous filly, born last night(6/9/02). Wanda Hase is the proud owner of Solvieg and filly. There is one more mare to foal an Ole baby this year. Hope Carlson is on the list, she bought Evie, from the Weyker's, Evie is in foal to Ole, due middle of June. Hope to hear good news from her soon. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
brag alert
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry could not resist giving a report on our show today. I am still on cloud 9. We went to our local open pleasure class show in Manitowoc Wi today. I brought my 5 yr old white dun gelding, O.H. Silas. I entered him in 2 jumping classes, hunter hack and 2 flat classes. Was going to bring my cart and drive as well, but just didn't have the energy to bring it. (I brought 1/2 the jumps and after setting that up the day before I was already tired) Anyway, we place in every class!!! We got a 3rd and a 4th in our jumping classes. Which I was very happy with, this is only our 2nd jumping show and we've only had about 3 jumping lessons. In our Hunter hack class, we got 2nd. Judge told me we had first until we picked up the wrong lead during the flat part of the class. UGH, knew it when it happened, I brought him down and we picked it up right the second time, but too late. Last two classes were Jr. Horse Maiden English Pleasure. We got 3rd and 4th. Very proud of him, we're basically in a Quarter horse circuit and this judge LOVES Quarterhorses, but he liked us. Our classes were good size around 8-11 in them. Just wanted to share with everyone our exciting day. If we could get points for cuteness we'd win everytime!!! Heard alot today, I didn't know Fjords could jump? Silas really showed them they can do it well. He really was cute, never touched one jump and only one line was shakey, but he was a great representative for the breed today. Patti Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
dressage judges
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll stick my two cents in regarding judges at dressage shows. Granted we only do low level dressage, but I have found NO prejudice, infact they all LOVE my Silas. He does have wonderful gaits and they can see that. When we get high scores it is because I'm riding him right and when we get low scores I've screwed up. I have had SEVERAL competitors come up to me and say, I can't believe your Fjord moves so nice, or that is the first Fjord I've seen that can move decent or is that a cross breed?. That is my favorite, because I realize that people are just so uninformed about our breed. I find WAY more prejudice with the competitors than the judges. Like I said just my 2 cents. On another note, we've just started our jumping training and I LOVE it. Not sure if Silas does or not yet, but he's gonna have to!!! :-) We are doing lots of grid work. We went to one show last weekend but we were not really ready. Only one class out of 3 was decent for us. I am already getting, I didn't know Fjords can jump I just want to say DOY, they are a [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I smile and say it nicely, sure they can and they do it well. We have an open show on June 2nd, I'm hoping to do one jumping class(the low easy class!!! ), hunter hack, driving and the flat classes(english pleasure). Do you think people will notice how versatile he is. I could have done halter with him as well, but that is in another ring while the jumping is taking place and I'd rather watch the jumping. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
foal count
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll add to the list on foals. Our stallion Fair Acres Ole bred 7 mares last year, so far he is 4 for 4 on colts! All huge and healthy. One mare, FCF Gyda went almost a whole month over her due date. Owned by Janet McNally on the list. That was the biggest Fjord Fjord I've seen, what legs on that boy. All the mares bred were outside mares, someday I hope to have a Fjord foal born on the farm. :-) Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords
gray mare for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] We sold this horse 3 yrs ago and now it is forsale. I told the owner I would inform our list to see if anyone is interested in her. FOR SALE: 5 yr old GRAY mare. MVF Erlend X Milli, name OH Sienna. Most gorgeous head, great conformation and personality plus. Sienna has excellent movement and has been shown in open and 4H shows. Went to one schooling dressage show and been on lots of trail rides. She has been ridden exclusively by a 15 yr old girl who has owned her since she Sienna was 2. Unfortunately Sienna is forsale as her show career has been ended due to a mild case of Ring bone. They believe it was caused by their farrier trimming her and putting her more on her toes then she should have been, but they are not 100% sure. They have x-rays and their vet has told them Sienna can be used as a trail horse and/or a broodmare but she can not hold up to the schooling it takes to be a show horse. Their vet is happy to talk to anyone interested in her or you can get the x-rays and show them to your vet. This is is an excellent Fjord horse and had this not had happen to her she would not be for sale and the price would be very high as she is a quality Fjord horse and trained very well! Sienna has been exposed to a lot and is very sensible and dependable in those situations. She is very calm when you take her anywhere, she is not bothered by new surroundings. If anyone is interested they can email me and I will give you the owners phone number to call. They are asking $7000 but are negoitable. This mare would be over $10,000 without the ring bone easy. She has the looks, the movement, the bloodlines and the training that spell quality. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Midwest Horse Fair
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a little brag about the Midwest Horse Fair in Madison Wi, that was held this last weekend. 11 Fjords represented the Fjord breed. Those present with Fjords were, Rich, Walt, Sherle, Liz Monheim, Mike Susie Sadlon, Tom Ann Hans, Rich Nancy Hotovy, Nyla Naniot, Wanda Hase, Joni Griffin, Al Merrill, Patti Walter. We had 2 teams and one single driving horse, and 6 riders. The group did a great job, all the horses were well behaved and well groomed. Tom Hans wrote the script and it was very informational. Nancy Hotovy picked out the music giving us a western theme to ride to. The theme this year was take a ride on the wide side of the west. The horse fair brings over 50,000 spectators to this 3 day event. It is a huge fair, largest in the midwest and the Fjords shined. Showing their wonderful disposition and intelligence to handle the large crowds, noise and commotion of this fair. It was a great group of people to work and ride with. It is also a lot of fun to be in. Great job everyone!! Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
Fjords Abroad
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Too funny about Eike being a woman, hope he read that!! LOL He is all man, he is a licensed Vet., so is his wife, and if I got it right she runs the practice and he ranches. Didn't get to meet her but wish I could have. I asked him what I could bring to him from America, he wanted a good lariat and leather gloves from the US. I also asked what I could bring for his wife, she wanted a lariat too!!! Too funny, don't they sound like a great couple! Bet they have a lot of good times together. As far as exactly where we went on our trip, we started off in Berlin. No Fjords there only about 4 million people! We then headed toward Dresden, I'm not sure exactly where the first group of Fjords were but it was around Dresden. Michael and Elizabeth ?, I was pretty sick so was not a good visitor the first day, they had around 20 Fjords. They lived in an old castle. It was really neat, alot of work, more than a life time, but it was really neat to see. Then we went to Gersdorf, south of Dresden and saw Jeronimo, a very beautiful stallion, and oh so light in the bridle. Very refreshing to ride. They had 5 stallions, not all for sale. Jannik Gaerum, one of their stallions, would turn a lot of heads in the US. He was beautiful to watch. He was around 12 yrs old and not for sale, of course. :-) The owner, Annette Weber-Meixner, had a wonderful facility. She also had around 5 apartments she rents out, like a BB. We got to stay there the first night. Her house and the apartments all are above the stables. I LOVED IT. I told my hubby we could build our retirement home like this, he said NO WAY. You could hear the horses under you and in the morning if you open the window you could hear them eatting right below your window in their stall. It was great. They have a wonderful trainer as well, she does a great job with the horses. Next we went to Berkatal, a small village north of Frankfurt in the central part of Germany. I don't know how to explain this set up. The villages there are hard enough to explain. No house number, sometimes no street signs, you don't know where one house starts and another ones ends. Very narrow streets, I would have no idea where or how to park. They use every inch of their space! There stallions were in a stables around the corner from them and they had a couple mares in their garage! There was a community outdoor arena just outside the village. One could walk or ride to. We saw Ragnar there. I just giggled when I rode him, he was like riding another breed. What suspension. You could feel the push off in his trot. It was great! . They also had a couple other stallions there and a French bred stallions at a different location. Then we were off to Reinhold Eitenmueller in Guttersbach. After that we went to Spechbach, both south of Frankfurt. In Spechbach we met Heir Ruf. Don't have his first name, as I couldn't read Eike's writing. Heir I believe is like Mr. Anyways he has a fablous stables and set up. A full boarding, training lessons, breeding facility. Think he had 20-30 Fjords plus many other breeds for boarding. They have 150 kids a week come for lessons- on Fjords only. They have a GREAT program. The kids do everything and learn everything. While we were there they had a vaulting lesson going on. We got some great pictures and will be putting them in the Herald with an article, which all of you will know by then. :-) Heir Ruf's girl friend has a therapuetic program with all fjords. We did not get to meet her but she is in Friedensdort and has several Fjords there as well. Her and her twin sister run it and I think they have over 20 maybe 30 Fjords? It was a great trip, I'm still trying to decide if I want to buy Malino, a 2 yr old stallion. He is by Merkur and out of Pram St. Lalina (Kvest Halsnaes X Lajona) He really has nice movement, but it is just so nerve racking to me to buy a young one. Will he turn out exactly what I want when he is mature?? Well that was our trip, now you'll all be bored with my article in the Herald, only good thing I missed this last deadline so it won't go in till the following issue. Patti Jo Walter
Fjords abroad
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary, You asked about where in Germany we saw so many. It was in Guttersbach, if I am at all correct in remembering the map, it was the southern central part of the country. Reinhold Eitenmueller had an interesting bit of history about the Fjords in that area. His father had Fjords 50+ years ago. He said back when they used the Fjords for farming, the area in Guttersbach were poorer than the Northern people of Germany, so they bought the leaner, what we called the more modern type Fjord. They were strong enough for plowing and working but considered not as good so the price was cheaper. The Northern people bought the big heavy draft ones. Well when the tractor over took the horses, people turned the Fjords into riding horses, which the people wanted. The people in the south, only had to change their stallions as they already had the leaner more modern type mares, more suited for riding. The people up north, well it wasn't as easy for them. They had all heavy stock. Hence Reinhold feels they had a jump on the market and I suppose because of this, are the leaders in selling good riding Fjords. It was interesting. We put on 1200 miles in one week looking at horses, yes many parts you see NO Fjords, but if you travel to Guttersbach, Spechbach or just south of Frankfurt you'll see them all over the place. Another interesting bit of information, a lot of the countryside looks like Wisconsin and I was told Wisconsin has the most Germans living here because it reminds them of their homeland. Wisconsin also has the most Fjords, learned that during our MWFHC's meeting/clinic. But I've also been to Norway and am sure the Fjords don't think this looks anything like their homeland!! They do like the cold and snow though. Where again we are getting more snow, will spring every come Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI
Fjords abroad
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey List, Thought some of you might be interested in our trip to Germany. My husband, my dad and myself went to Germany March 11-18 to do some Fjord shopping. It was an awesome trip, better than I ever imagined. We met the best people, had the best weather(unlike what I came home to, snow and cold!), great food, great scenery and of course saw the best horses-LOTS OF FJORDS. Eike Schoen-Peterson, who is on the list, is the secretary for the Fjord Association in Germany and he knows every horse and every person in Germany and abroad. Plus he is well versed in about every subject under the sun. My dad put him to the test and came out with flying colors!!! We could not have done it without him-thank you again. We also met Reinhold Eitenmueller, largest Fjord breeder in Germany and probably in Europe, with over 70 Fjord horses. He was great, he showed us over 200 Fjords in about 1 hour and knew every single horse by name and what bloodlines they had! My head was swimming!!! In the area he lives, it is like Fjord Heaven. I have never seen so many in the pastures and paddocks. You just see them all over the place. It was great. As of this moment I did not buy anything, but am considering some young stock. I was very impressed with the movement that the German's are breeding for, but not forgetting the great disposition and mind of the Fjord breed. They are striving for great movement with a great mind, to make that great riding horse, all sounds good to me. We got to see a lot of different stables, one was a very large stable that had 20-30 Fjords as lesson horses. They had 150 kids a week come through for lessons, I think very kid in that village loved that owner! He said in over 30 years of this business, he has never had a serious accident, giving all the credit to the breed. He also still had his first Fjord, a 34 yr. old mare who was in a large stall with her 25 yr. old daughter. Very cute. I just thought you'd all be interested to know that ALL Fjord owners are as great as their horses that they own, no matter WHERE they live. Just a word of caution if you travel to Germany- they are crazy speed demons. They have the autoban-no speed limit. My husband was sooo glad Eike was driving the first few days. He knew I couldn't yell at Eike like I do him. We were doing a mere 120mph at one point. Way too fast. :- Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI - Where winter just started March 1 and just keeps hitting us with more snow and cold.
Stallion for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our buyer on our stallion backed out due to some serious health problems she is dealing with, so that put our stallion back on the market. Fair Acres Ole is a 7 yr old brown dun medium - drafty stallion. He stands almost 14.2 hh, approx. 1250 lbs. He is by Anvil's Steinfinn and out of Fair Acres Kari. He has good bone, great hips shoulder line, excellent hooves and straight legs, wonderful gaits, kind soft eyes, good looking head, is quite majestic looking in my opinion. We have bred to him almost 20 outside mares, he throws his hips, larger frame, great disposition on his offspring. He would be perfect for any first time stallion owner as he is very easy to handle. We have only done hand breeding with him and he is quite smart about mares!! Ole was in several parades, shows, horse fairs, demo's, trail rides with mares and alone, he also was driven around the farm. He has not done a lot of riding or driving lately but has wonderful ground manners and could be put back into training without any trouble. I have several wonderful pictures of him and would be more than happy to do a video if anyone is interested. He is priced to sell -to the right home. I also could give you several references of owners of Ole babies. He has no bad habits. Just a quite note on Ole, my 14 yr old son was asked to bring the horses in one night. As teenagers go he didn't listen real closely. I came home and saw Ole's gate open but the fence still on and Ole's halter still on the post? I wondered where my stallion was, so I ran into the barn and there he was in his stall. I came in the house and asked Patrick how he brought Ole in, he said, I couldn't find the halter so I just led him by the hair(his forelock)!!! I thanked God once again I have Fjords. For any inquiries please email me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Jo Walter, Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI (East Cenral Wisconsin) 1-920-755-4387
afghan
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karen, I'll get a copy out in the mail to you, I could not get thru to you either. My post to you kept kicking back as well. ?? Patti Jo Walter
mare for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm just passing this information along from Slyvester and Anne Weyker, Cedar Grove WI. That is East Central Wisconsin for everyone's information. They have an 8 yr old mare that they would like to sell. She is out of Fair Acres Ingrid and by Hamar. She was started in her younger days but has not had much done with her as far as riding or driving goes lately. She is very sweet, willing and easy to handle. She is bred for a June 2002 foal by Fair Acres Ole. She has an Ole offspring on the farm from last year, so you could see what she throws with this cross. She has had two fillies as welll, one by Anvil's Torborjn and one by Advent Hill Oliver. I had the opportunity to start both of these fillies. Super nice offspring. They were both very different as far as body styles(father's are both very different!) But both fillies have super nice dispositions and brains. They have her priced to sell at $4000.00 if anyone is interested email Slyvester or Ann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone them at 1-262-285-3717. She would be a nice family horse if anyone would like to train her again to ride or drive or she is a nice broodmare and easy to breed and settle. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI 54241 On another note, I made an Fjord afghan a few years back. Background was the afgan stitch and I cross stitched a Fjord on the front. i found a pattern for a horse and modified it. I made the Fjord mane and put tiger stripes on the knees and hocks. It turned out pretty nice, Unfortunately my kids hate it because I don't let them use it If anyone is interested I could send you a copy of the horse, but it is not a true Fjord horse
Elke
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lora, I hate to add more pain to your story, but I have to agree with others that wrote in. I just got my Herald today and the first thing I said when I saw your article and picture was to say, that's not a purebred Fjord. Sorry but I agree with those that wrote in already, the face was the first thing I noticed and then the legs, was also wondering about the coloring, pictures are hard to go by, but that was my gut reaction. Hope you find out more about her. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Can't believe how wonderful this winter is in Wisconsin. No snow yet, no ice, hardly any cold weather. I even rode today without gloves on!
mares
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would just like to add my two cents worth and add to Pat Holland's comment on Fjord mares. What she said was very true. We tend to forget that these Fjords are Horses. Mares are female horses, look at the female population of the human world. Some are very emotional, some are very laid back and even keel. I don't like to suggest humans are horses, but it works some of the time to use as an analogy. I have seen some of the sweetest horses that were mares and I've seen some of the witchiest being mares as well. Bloodlines and handling have a lot to do with it, but also each horse has a personality. People need to realize that Fjords are horses. We do a big injustice in telling people how calm and easy going these horses are, and neglect to tell them that they are also a horse and need to be trained and treated like one! I work with young Fjords, let me tell you, these horses can be harder to handle than other breeds. They are heavy, strong and at times stubborn. I LOVE Fjords, can not see myself with any other breed and yet there is a down side to them as well. I am a very positive person and I don't like talking negative but I also am very truthful and in the wrong hands or the wrong training, these horses will hurt someone, just like any other horse. Since I'm on a soapbox I am also saddened by a lot of breeders breeding and not handling there young stock. Another big injustice to the breed. These are wonderful horses, but when you sell a 600 pound or larger untrained horse, it reflects on the breed. Sure it will let you put a halter on it, maybe even let you lead it around, more likely it just wants to go that way. But have you ever disciplined that animal, or trained it to do what YOU want it to do, even when it didn't want to? I have seen several very naughty Fjords and I know other trainers have seen several as well, mostly due to lack of handling, some are bad breedings. Most come around and make wonderful mounts, but at a cost to the breed. Please work with your animals, if not for the sake of the person who might own it after you, than for the sake of the horse, you bred it, you be responsible for it. When we say mares can't canter you're forgetting about the conformation of the Horse. Some have good conformation and others don't. The really heavy drafty Fjords will find it harder to keep in the canter than a light lean one because of conformation. Fjords tend to be front end heavy, not all, but there are a good deal of them out there. Those will find it harder to pick that front end up and stay in the canter. Then there is the back end, maybe it too is weak, or the back, maybe it has problems. Not to mention all the joints that are working when trotting or cantering. The horse that is correct in conformation SHOULD have an easier time and smoother gaits at the walk, trot and canter.(Excepts to all rules) I hear people all the time say, are they smooth to ride, depends on the conformation. Other say, can they do a western jog, sure they can, need to train them, and again depending on their conformation it will be easier for some than others. It is not a breed thing, it is a conformation thing because they are a horse.I didn't even mention the way some horses are trained. Or how they are ridden. Those horses that are winning at high levels have wonderful experienced riders on top of them. They get a lot out of them, because they know how. Please don't think I'm knocking Fjords. I think they are wonderful, but lets do them the justice they deserve. Breed responsible, handle and train those young ones and tell people they are still a horse and can and will do horse crazy things. I would add, I'd rather be on a Fjord when they do something crazy than any other breed. Hope this helps, just felt it needed to be said. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
Brag Alert
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Just had to share our last show of the season with you all. I took OH Silas to our last Dressage Show in Sheboygan Wi today. He is a 4 yr old white dun gelding, tall and elegant. We went into Intro, and two Training Level tests. We placed 2nd in two of them and well not so good in the 3rd one. Mostly rider error! :-) But I was so proud of him and of course we got many, I love your Fjord!!! He is such a sweetie. I am looking forward to next year, doing even bigger and better things with him. He has so much talent! He did pick up the wrong lead on one test, but did a flying change at the corner to fix it.(I did ask him) Of course we didn't get a very good mark as he picked up the wrong lead to start with and you get judged on the transition, but I was thrilled that he changed it. We have worked a little on flying lead changes and he can do them, the boy has way more than talent than I I met some people at the show who were watching that own Fjords and they of course were thrilled to see one there. Well now it's out on the trail we go till snow flys- Silas is happy he loves to get out of the ring!! :-) I have 2 fillies for sale, one 3 yr old red dun started under saddle and harness. Very quiet, willing and responsive. She was evaluated this last July. Is very well mannered and would make an excellent show or family horse. Reterra Evy X Anvil's Torbjorn. $4000.00 Other is a 2 yr old, very friendly, showned in halter this summer. $3000.00 Reterra Evy X Advent Hill Oliver. For More information email me privately. Patti Jo Water-Happy Trails everyone
Fjords for Sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Just wanted to let everyone know about some horses I took in on consignment. They have good bloodlines, have been well taken care of and handled well plus the prices are very reasonable to good homes. These are two that are well worth looking at! Britta-3 yr old red dun filly. Reterra Evy X Anvil's Torbjorn. Britta is well started under saddle and in harness. She was evaluated in Blue Earth this past July in Intro. English and Conformation, receiving a red in each. She is a quiet, athletic, sweet and a very willing filly. Would be perfect for the family or show ring. $4000.00 Clara-2 yr old brown dun filly. Reterra Evy X Advent Hill Oliver. Clara has been started under harness and has a little experience under saddle. She was shown by a young 4-H child in halter this summer. She is excellent around kids, a very sweet filly. $3000.00 Located in East Central Wisconsin. 30 miles south of Green Bay and 90 North of Milwaukee. Additional training is available. Both horses will continue in their training all fall and winter, but prices will increase. Call 1-920-755-4387 or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
Fjords for Sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Have several Fjords for Sale: 2 yr old gelding. Tall and lean, long legs, dressage prospect. Excellent ground manners. By Elof and out of Vanja. Should mature out tall. Currently 14.1ish. Very sweet and sensible. Huge huge stride! 3 yr old drafty filly, started in riding driving, was shown once last year in driving, super quiet, 14.2 1/2HH, big girl. By Grabbson and out of Ro-Dagfinn Regn(Rorik daughter). This filly is nice! Great conformation, great marking, big girl, will make great family, show, broodmare. She is bred for 2002. 2 yr old gray stallion. Has not been used. By MVF Erlend and out of Pjoska. This guy is cute! Has tiger stripping on the withers, dark coloring, great movement and disposition. Has been longlining, excellent manners, very quiet. Will sell as a stallion or as a gelding. Should mature out around 14HH-14.1HH. He is cute! This guy has a nice pedigree to match. 6 yr old drafty stallion. By Anvil's Steinfinn and out of Fair Acres Kari. Very easy to handle, 1st time stallion owners could handle him. Has only been used with in-hand breeding. Does ride and drive. 14.1 1/2HH Throws bigger bodies on his offspring along with his nice hips and good shoulder line. Would consider gelding for right person. All of these horses are well cared for. Current on vaccinations, wormers, farrier, etc. All handled daily. Videos can be made upon request. I am cutting back on my the number of horses. E-mail me privately for more information on these Fjords. I live in East Central Wisconsin-along Lake Michigan. 30 Miles south of Green Bay, 90 miles North of Milwaukee. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI 54241 1-920-755-4387
Blue Earth
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I just wanted to mention that I am going to Blue Earth, horseless. Boohoo. Husband doesn't want to bring one and I'm doing lots of open local shows in our area that I'm compromising for him. So I'm offering my services if anyone needs any help grooming or showing their horse(s) I'm available. I ride English can do Halter and Drive single. Could do western but not the best at it. I'm gonna be at the show all day so just thought if anyone needs an extra hand just email me privately, Patti Walter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure I can be put to work helping with the show if no one needs help with showing. Happy Fjording!
driving clinic in WI
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of driving clinics. We had driving clinic on May 19th with clinician, Sharon Makurat of Whitewater WI. She is another awesome instructor. Some of you might remember her name, she was the clinician for our MWFHC's winter meeting in Galena two years ago. We had the clinic at an Anadalusian Farm, in Branch Wi. That is about 30 miles south of Green Bay. The facility is to die for! We had 3 Fjords, a Pony, a Walker and an Andalusian. Three were hitched and 3 were still in the ground driving stages, so we had a wide variety of horses and stages of training. I learned so much I can't keep it all in my brain. We have set up another clinic scheduled for Sat, June 30th in Branch again. We have one opening left. If you live in or around this area contact me, Patti Walter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]We had people come from Neenah, Freemont, Plymouth and Newton WI. Sharon is a great instructor who knows her stuff and the clinic is quite reasonable. Auditors are welcome! Getting excited for our first show, June 3rd in Manitowoc WI. Taking OH Silas and planning on driving him. This will be our first show where he will be driving. He has been shown in hand and huntseat. I am nervous about those big saddlebreds passing us. I am working with another lady here on my farm, who is driving another one my Fjords in the arena while I am driving Silas to get him use to being passed, but there is a big difference between being passed by a Saddlebred and being passed by a Fjord!!! Patti
Midwest Horse Fair
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just wanted to let the list know that 11 Fjords did a smashing job of representing the breed in Madison WI, last weekend. April 20-22. Those present with their horses were: Sherle, Walt and Rich Monheims, Tom Ann Hans, Chet Donna Thomas, Al Lois Merrill, Joni Griffin, Pat Holland, Wanda Hase, Nyla Naniot and Patti Jo Walter. Others who helped with the booth were Janet Voeltz, Sophie and Howard Fielder and Rich's finance(sorry forgot your name again!) Oh, I probably shouldn't have started with names, if I missed anyone I am sorry. Most likely still brain dead from the long weekend. We had a team pulling a covered wagon, driven by Walt and Rich Monheim, Chet Thomas, Al Merrill and Tom Hans all drove single. Joni Griffin dressed up as a Viking woman, helmet, horns and blonde braided pig tails!! Patti Jo Walter wore a Norwegian Bunda, Pat Holland was in English show attire and all the western riders were in Norwegian capes. We were one good looking bunch. Ann Hans bought enough material to decorate our stall, so we could all have matching stalls, red back drop with blue trim and she even had matching stall names for everyone. Not only were we very good looking in our carts and on our horses, but our stall and hospitality booth was impressive as well. I think I can say we all had a wonderful time, we got to know each other better, shared a lot of laughs and stories and just had a great time with our horses and each other. I enjoy our group of riders/drivers and am so happy to be a part of it all. Thank you everyone, you all did a great job! Can't wait to see what we come up with next year!!! It just keeps getting bigger and better. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI
jumping
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just had to write and brag. Fjords are soo much fun. I took my gelding, OH Silas to a new stables for a lesson. I am planning on taking him to a few shows and compete him in some jumping classes next year. So I thought I'd take this year and learn how and teach Silas as well. I have never had any formal jumping lessons and Silas is young so I thought we could take this year and learn. The ladies were very nice when we came in and very polite on commenting on how cute Silas is. But I could tell they were wondering if he could move, let alone jump! He was a very good boy, as he had to wait almost an hour and a half for his lesson. Trainer was running behind. Mostly all TB, Warmbloods in the barn, they were beautiful movers and jumpers, very impressive. Finally our turn. We warmed up, trainer kept saying he moves very nice, really cute trot, lets see the canter. Si has a nice canter, almost balanced for a young horse, she noticed right away too. She asked if she could put some ground poles down, sure I said. Told her I have only put them down once, but he won't care. Sure enough, right over he goes, no big deal. How about cavalletties, sure lets go for it, there again, used them once, but told her that is why I'm coming to you, I need to learn how far apart they really should go. Right over he goes. Now they are really watching. Would you mind if I crossed the poles on a jump. Still very low, probably around 10 in the center. Ok, again right over he goes. Then to test me she put two of them in a row. He jumped them no problem. The ladies just kept talking how wonderful he is. They could not get over how nice he moves and how steady he is. One even told me, you know I never would have believed it until I saw it, Fjords are versatile. Don't you just love Fjords!! I know I do. Don't get me wrong we still have a lot of work to do. I think some of it was they just wanted to see what he would do, but boy was it fun. Midwest Horse Fair in Madison Wi is coming up April 20-22. Believe around 12 Fjords will be there, Silas will be one of them. If you can make the event, do it, you won't be sorry, it is a great weekend. We are riding Sat. 2PM, Sun 2:40PM. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI
MWFHC WINTER MEETING/CLINIC
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wanted to write about the MWFHC winter's meeting/clinic that was held this last weekend in Galena IL. We just got home, got the horse settled in and everything else unpacked as well. I had to write and since I am going in for knee surgery tomorrow morning(have to be there at 4:30AM, surgery 7:30AM-why 3 hrs who knows?) I didn't want to put off writing this incase I could not get to the computer for a few days. The weekend was just wonderful. The weather was iffy, but for the most part the bad stuff was not bad or we got it at night. I think Gayle and Anne would disagree, they thought it was pretty cold and nasty. Heard they had asked to hold the meeting in Hawaii but the club was just too cheap!!! (kidding) I was fortunate enough to be asked to bring our gelding, OH Silas to ride the introductory eval. english test with Anne Appleby commenting. She is wonderful! I can not say enough good about her, she is honest, sweet, knowledgeable, humble, great with horse and people, very nice to be around, just makes you feel so comfortable. I felt like I had private lessons with her all weekend, what an honor. I rode the test and then Anne cut it down and showed the people what some of the things Judges are looking for, steady tempos, smooth transitions, distinct gaits, bend, on the bit and the people seemed to really like that. They were able to see the difference as she would ask me to show them a good trot, then a slow or fast trot, one that was slow, fast, slow, fast, etc. Having a visual helps so much. Nancy Hotovy rode the western introductory and the advance with Gayle Ware commenting. Another woman with incredible knowledge. I did not know how funny Gayle is, she keeps you in stitches all the time. These two woman are just incredible, you people out west you are very very blessed I was just trying to soak in everything they had to say. I know our club was very glad they came to share and help us learn how we can show our Fjords to the best of their ability. Rich Hotovy had Bob Gudknecht driving his mare in the draft test as Rich told what was to be done. Hotovy's used the same mare for riding as for draft and she is wonderful! Smooth, steady and totally willing and obedient. Rich has trained her right, when she hears him start to talk to other people, I think she knows she better take a nap as it could be awhile, cause she never moves until told to, and if you know Rich it could be a while! They just did a outstanding job. Believe we had around 70 in attendance. Those that came out inspite of the weather were sure glad they did. The MWFHC is a progressive and active group. One that works well together and yet is very diverse, it's a great club. A big Thank you to Green Valley Farms in Galena IL, Pat Holland, Sophie and Howard Fielder plus staff all work so hard to put on a great meeting/clinic. On Sunday GVF had an Open House to show off their new stallion plus their other studs. I know everyone was impressed with their stock. They truly are looking to keep the breed pure with great quality. They should be very proud. Not only do they have great stock they have a great facility where they can train them the way they need to be, so they will be great quality working Fjords. Thank you again, Anne and Gayle for surviving our Midwest winter, I'll try and work on the executive committee to move it to Hawaii next year, actually that sounds good to me!! Any Fjords in Hawaii though Patti Jo Walter and Silas
winter wear for riding
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey List, Was wondering if there is any other crazy die hard riding people on the list. I ride/drive all year round. I do not have an indoor, wish I did!! Are there any gloves that actually keep your fingers warm? I heard of the riding mittens from State Line Tack, they don't carry them anymore. They have 3 slots, one for pinky, one for thumb and 3rd for the rest of fingers. I am looking for some gloves that actually work, any suggestions??Is there such a thing? Also has anyone ever ridden in the snow pants with leather seats They are a little expensive, but I do love my full seat breeches, so thought maybe same thing with snow pants. Again, anyone tried them? Was hoping for spring, but it is cold cold cold in North Eastern Wisconsin last few days. I do have a tip, the rabbit fur elmer fudd looking hats are wonderful, they will keep you warm! You don't look the best, at least a lot of people laugh at you, but who cares when you're warm. They are like the russian hats, you can tie the ear flaps behind or wear them down and tie under the chin. Really, these are a must!! Remember no bad weather just bad clothing!! Learned that from a Norske. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
Promotion of the Fjord Horse
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, I thought I should clarify my statement on Midwest Horse Fair in Madison and the MWFHC's contribution. The club DOES NOT pay for the stalls. Wishful thinking on my part I guess. They do not, it is rather inexpensive but the club doesn't pay for them, it comes out of our pockets. The stall fee does include the entrance ticket for 2 persons. So basically your stall is free, if you were planning on going anyway. I just thought I should clear this up before someone calls me on it, don't know why I thought that, but my packet for Midwest came in the mail today and the request for the stall fee is in there, as it has been in the past. Sorry for the confusion. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers, WI
Promotion of the Fjord Horse
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, You brought up the discussion of cost in Promoting the Fjord Horse. I would like to add my 2 cents. I have been bringing one or more of my Fjords to Horse-A-Rama in Manitowoc, WI for the last 5 years. I do it all for the pleasure of showing off the Fjords and doing something with my horses. I do take in a few open shows, do a lot of trail riding, parades, wagon train, whatever I can find to do with them I'll do it. Now granted this is a smaller fair, and I live 15 minutes from Manitowoc, BUT it does cost still the same. The stalls/paying for helpers when I take more than one Fjord, food, gas, bedding for the horse, costumes, decorations for the stall, etc, etc. This is a 2 day event. The reason I do it-I love how you hear from the front of the barn, THE FJORDS ARE HERE!!!. That is priceless. I also love opening the stall door and letting the kids pet and sometimes even sit on my Fjords. A lot of those kids never get to get that close to a horse, I LOVE MAKING THEIR DAY. I also have been doing the Midwest Horse Fair in Madison WI for the last 3 years. We live 3 hours from Madison. The MWFHC does sponsor this to a small degree. I ride with the club, along with 8-10 horses. The club pays for the stalls, which includes the cost of entry. WE have to pay for the hotel/gas/food/bedding for the horse/ etc and this is a 3 day event which means you have to be there 4 days. It is expensive. We have some that are breeders and some that are not. There are those that only own one Fjord. I guess it would be wonderful if there was a fund, but until there is I will be out there doing it as I just love to take my Fjord(s) off the farm to show them off and ride/drive them anywhere and everywhere. I may not be the best person to be addressing this as the last few years I have had a small number of horses forsale. BUT the first 2-3 years I had nothing to sell and I still feel the same way about it as I did in the beginning. I can honestly tell you if we couldn't put out sales list, I'd still be there. I want to do things with my horses and whatever you do it costs money. I can tell you I have only sold directly from those events once! Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
age
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bonnie Liermann is NOT 20!!! Well she was say, 22 years ago. Sorry Bonnie, people on the list know you!!! I also feed equi-shine and love it. It's easy the horses love it, can tell a difference with their coat and they don't go after the mineral/salt block that is outside. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords
age
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, My name is Patti Jo Walter, I am 39 (add me to the list of ages) and live in Two Rivers WI. Most exciting thing recently with my Fjords is the MWFHC's winter meeting coming up in Galena IL, Feb 24, 25. They have asked me to bring my white gelding, OH Silas to ride the introductory english evaluation test WITH ANNE APPLEBY. Sorry Anne, I'm sooo excited, I just hope I don't pee in my pants when I ride with you there. I am so nervous, excited, elated, nervous, delighted, nervous, anxious, nervous. OH Silas is out of Bragda and by Modellen, he is a wonderful gelding, my favorite horse on the farm. He is a coming 4 yr old and I just can't say enough good about him. He is a leaner framed Fjord, standing almost 15HH and has a wonderful mind on him. I am more nervous about me, and not the horse. So if you'll all just pray for good weather and for me to calm that day-will really have to let the spirit work in me that day!!! We have 4-5 hours to travel through Wisconsin in Feb. not always a joy in winter. Can't wait to see you all there!! Patti
fjord horses and pups for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Just want to let anyone out there thinking of buying a Fjord or a AKC Reg. Black lab pup for the new year we have them both for sale. We have for sale: 2 yearling fillies, yearling gelding that will be tall, he is all legs, 2 yr old gelding that is ground driving and a 3 yr old filly that is started in riding and driving. All are handled daily, easy to work with, up to date on farrier, worming, vaccinations, etc. Priced to sell. We also have 2 black lab pups, one male and one female left, born Dec. 1, ready to go in Jan. 19th. Declaws removed, hunting pedigree, great family dogs, mellow parents, healthy litter. She had 10! Not a runt in bunch. Will give a discount to Fjord owners/lovers. We live in Two Rivers, WI which is 30 miles south of Green Bay. That is along the Lake Michigan. Email me privately for more information on either the Fjord horses or the pups, all are well cared for. Good homes a must. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fjord stuff
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I need some help, someone has asked if I could pass on any information on where they could buy some Fjord Stuff. I've missed placed how to get into the archives so could anyone that sells Fjord pictures, books, knick-knacks, stationary, etc please email and I will pass it on to my friend. Thank you all. EMAIL ME PRIVATELY AT: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI-where we're getting 9 inches of snow It's beautiful. Love riding in the snow.
young stock for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a gorgeous, classy Red Dun filly for sale. She is always noticed first from visitors at the farm. She is medium build with great conformation, great movements. Should mature out around 14.2HH Anvil's Etta X Jon We also have 2 geldings for sale. A yearling and a 2 yr old. The yearling will be tall, he is very leggy and of the leaner riding style Fjord. If you are looking for a dressage or hunter jumper type, this boy is one to look at. Wonderful movements! Vanja X Elof breeding. He is currently 13.3HH. Our 2 yr old is by Prisco and out of Milli. He is 14HH, medium build, good conformation and lovely head. He is ground driving nicely and pulling logs. Hope to hitch him to the cart this month. Both are very friendly and sweet, great ground manners. We handle our horses daily. These are well taken care of horses. Priced to sell, the price will go up with more training. We are in East Central Wisconsin, video's available. Patti Jo Walter
brag alert
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just wanted to share with others are Fair results. We brought 4 Fjord to the Manitowoc County Fair in Manitowoc WI this last week. First we let Rachel show Sara during the 4H part of the Fair. Sara is a 5 yr. old mare who rides and drives. Rachel took her in Showmanship, halter, trail, pleasure riding and equitation class. They took 1st, 5th, 1st, 1st and 3rd. They had good competition, with up to 9 in some of their classes. She qualified to go to the state Fair with wining a 1st at Fair. Sara was a great representative of the breed and everyone loved her. That took care of Tues. - Thur. Then on Friday we brought in Silas, a 3 yr. old white dun gelding, Jake a 2 yr. old gelding and Gyda a 2 yr. old filly. They were all great, taking 1st and 2nds in all their classes. The numbers were down and we did not have very many in our classes but the horses behaved wonderfully. Gyda had never been off the farm before and had never seen another horse besides a Fjord. She was entered in two driving classes, she was great, she never missed a stride. I even had her driving in the ring with the big boy-draft horses, she didn't mind at all. She is a nice horse! I was very proud of these guys. I did ride a percheron in the walk/trot draft class. I have to say if I ever changed breeds it might be to draft. That was hoot, we got 1st and I just loved riding her. I rode her in my dressage saddle and is she smooth and responsive. We had a great time and everyone loved the Fjords. It is nice to bring them out and let people enjoy them. Just had to brag :-) Patti Jo
Looking for Fjord
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi group- Anyone out there in the Wisconsin area have a well trained single or team of Fjords for sale? Looking for an elderly gentleman who is selling his draft team and wants to get something smaller. Would like to do field work, parades, wagon trains, etc with them. He does know horses but would like to see him get something with a little experience as he is elderly. Email me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would know of any. Thanks Patti Jo Walter
Showing Fjords
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone, just had to brag about our day. We had our local 4H horse show in Manitowoc, WI. I brought our White dun gelding, O.H. Silas. I had a friends daughter, who is 12, show him, she has been coming over about 4-5 days a week for the last month or so. She took him in 13 classes, everything from halter, showmanship, walk-trot classes, dressage, trail, and some fun classes which were all walk or trotting. The rider has been riding horses for the last 4-5 yrs, so she is a good little rider. Anyway she came away with 11 placings, 4 of which were 1st, and the high point trophy for her age division. She was so happy she kissed me, told her to kiss the horse, he is the one who deserves it!! I was watching a lot of the classes and noticed how relaxed and steady Silas was compared to some of the other horses. You just can't beat the Fjords disposition. Had several people comment on how nice Silas was and how good he was for my rider. He just took very thing in stride. Anyway just wanted to brag and encourage others to get out there and show what those Fjords can do!!! Patti Jo Walter
fjords for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just thought I would mention a couple of young fjords we have for sale: coming 2 yr old gelding, Claylee's Kaspar X Fair Acres Nissa. Jake is a light framed fjord, with a wonderful friendly personality. He is very smart and quiet, a typical Fjord. He is 14HH and growing, should mature 14.1 - 14.2. He is very pretty, moves nicely and will make a great show or family horse. Asking $3500, price will go up with training. Tea, a red dun yearling filly. Anvil's Jon X Anvil's Etta Tea is a medium built filly with great conformation, beautiful feminine features and great movement. Asking $3750 Both horses are handled daily, have routine ferrier work, current vaccinations and are on a routine worming schedule. These are well cared for horses. Contact Patti for more information [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 920 755-4387
Uljar
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joni, I too hope you can come to the Manitowoc area to visit Bonnie and see our stock. The horse you mentioned is named Uljar (OOL-YAR). The name grows on you. I have to say I just body clipped his head, neck and shoulders. His winter/baby hair was way too long and wasn't shedding, he's not quite a year old. I wish I had before and after pictures. What a beauty underneath. Like the ugly ducking story. He is out of Erlend and Pjoska and he too is a gray, both parents are gray by the way. He has a drop dead gorgeous head, dished with large warm eyes, he is a silvery gray with two 6-8 inch stripes on both sides of his withers. Never seen any that big or dark before. He is awesome. He is still intact and we are waiting to see what the rest of him will become. He also floats when he trots. Just a training tip, getting them use to clippers at a young age is a good idea. He did not like them the first time at all!! But I did the clipping in stages and now he almost falls a sleep when I'm clipping. Bonnie, nice to see you on the list!! Patti Jo Walter
Midwest Horse Fair in Madison
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Just wanted to write and brag about the Fjords and their riders that were in the breed demo at the Midwest Horse Fair in Madison Wisconsin held this last weekend. The riders were Pat Holland, Patti Walter, Rachel Clark,Melissa Deneys, Joni Griffin, Nancy Hotovy, Jim Tyson Lori Doney. These 8 riders are from 3 different states performed a drill team pattern. It was rather simple, but you have to realize we only had 10 minutes the day before to practice. Most of that time was used to match up the horses. Our biggest problem was one of the horses has a huge stride on him and it was hard for the others to keep up to him. He is not rushy, just has a big stride. The theme for this years fair was Riding into the Future, it was decided that we would have Fjords only riding this year with no driving horses. Their is such a myth that Fjords only drive, or are only short and stocky. It was thought this way we could show that Fjords do ride. Everyone did great, the horses were calm and showed the Fjord disposition wonderfully. I was glad to have been one of the team, everyone was great to spend the weekend with. Midwest pulls about 50,000 spectators for this 3 day event. It's a great time to spend with horses and horse people from all over the Midwest. Two of the Fjords were also in another demo doing a drill team pattern over fences. They were great! Really showed that Fjords can and do jump too. We also had 4 colors representing the Fjords, white, gray, red and brown. We had several young Fjord in the demo, I believe their was one 3 yr. old, two 4 yr. olds, three 5 year olds, a 7 and 9 yr. old. Plus the 4 and 5 yr. olds really only had a year or less in training. I was very impressed with the group. I did all the worrying for the group, you know someone has to! I really didn't have to, you'd think that I would learn not to worry, maybe the Fjords will get through this thick head of mine! It was just great riding and being with other Fjord owners this last weekend, Congratulations again everyone. Thanks also to Janet Voltz, Tom Ann Hans for setting up the hospitality stall and being there along with the Monheims, Sadlons, Fiedlers, probably shouldn't name names, will forget someone. (sorry if I do) A lot of hard work, but a lot of fun as well. Hopefully we taught a lot of people that Fjords do make a great riding horse as well as a great driving horse! Patti Jo Walter
carts for sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Restored Light Show Cart. Highlights the horse and not the cart. Burgundy in color. Rubber on wheels. Varnished oak floor, very pretty, 14 steps for easy entry. Fits 14HH and up. $1600OBO Pleasure or Show Cart, Natural wood varnished, roller bearing wheels and axles. Rubber on wheels, fenders. Cadillac style, better than a meadowbrook, don't get the bounce. Front entry, patent leather dash, brass rein rail, 14 steps for easy entry. Fits 14HH and up. $2000 Brand new. Contact Larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] central Wisconsin. About 1/2 hour east of Stevens Point, WI.
12 Ft Stock Trailer For Sale
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12 Ft Stock Trailer For Sale. 6' wide, 6'6'' tall, bumper pull. In excellent condition. Has electric brakes, side door, divider, recently painted, good tires. Asking $1850 OBO. East Central Wisconsin. 30 miles south of Green Bay. E-mail me privately if interested [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti
MWFHC Winter Meeting/Clinic
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a friendly reminder that the due date for the MWFHC Winter Meeting and Driving Clinic with Sharon Makaurat in Galena IL, is Feb. 1st. All dues must be paid by Feb. 1st as well. If anyone needs a registration form you may e-mail Pat Holland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call her at 815 777-6008. She told me this is going to be the greatest event since the birth of Christ. Well I don't know about you but his is highest on my list, so I'm counting on a great clinic/meeting. There still is time to get in on this great event, but do get your forms in. Patti in Wisconsin, looked warm outside, but it wasn't. Sunny and sub zero today.
Horse Sleazy's
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wondering if anyone out there has ever made or thought about making a Sleazy for a Fjord. I own a white dun gelding, keeping him clean is hard. He also is not one of those clean stall horses, he loves to poop and pee in the middle of the stall and lay in it. I have several others that poop in the back of the stall only, but not him! We do some showing and demo's at horse fairs. I see those sleazy's and think that is what I need, but I need the mane to be able to stick out. Anyone up for the challenge? Could be the start of your own Fjord accessories business. E-mail me privately if interested, I need this by March [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have used several shampoos, and spot cleaners, anyone with a white horse will know my dilemma! Patti
Kissing Horses
This message is from: Dave Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat, I confess I kiss them all the time. Sometimes I like kissing them better than my husband!! Softer skin. I give big bear hugs to them as well. We had a Fjord horse named, Lena who would try and kiss back. I swear she was trying to pucker up. She would stretch out her muzzle and try and reach you. If she felt your skin she would move her muzzle back and forth across your face. She was a funny one. Fjords seem to love hugs and kisses. Patti
