Field Stream
This message is from: Joel A Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe there are enough of here on this list that understand what feral horses donkeys do to the range. You think cows are bad? At least they are regulated. They aren't put on the range until there is forage for them to eat they are taken off when the forage is gone. No one regulates the equines so they trash everything they range over. Any range has a carrying capacity. With no natural predators the equines breed indiscriminately. It's called range management. Cordially, Joel Harman Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Life on the Ground
This message is from: Joel A Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is from Jord. Hi All, Jord here.You all know this - Mom Rules! The Human Being doesn't have enough holes in the fence to feed all of us in the same place. So me my baby brother, Baar, still haven't little little baby brother since he left awhile back, anyway, me Baar eat through one hole Mom Geir Gandolf eat through another hole in the fence.All of us were hanging by the water when the Human Being his new dog. S.E.(hee hee guess what S.E. stands for) came down opened the gate. Mom Geir Gandolf came over to go out to the pasture only the Humn Being didn't let us out so Geir me started playing like we always do, biting each other on the butt, climbing on each other, you know.Well Baar joined in biting Geir pretty soon Gandolf decided he wanted to play too so he bit Baar on the butt. Hee, hee, remember I told you the last time Baar bit Gandolf on the butt got in trouble for it. Baar might be dumb bit he's not stupid! So he goes hangs out with the Human Being S.E. None of us were paying any attention to Mom, who was asleep by the gate to the pasture in case the Human Being opened it. Yep, you guessed it! We all piled into Mom woke her up. The dirt was flying everywhere! Gandolf went to hang out with the Human Being, Baar the dog but Geir me kept on playing but everytime we got close to Mom we stopped went back to the top. Something else that was funny last week was the Human Being forgot to tie the gate so all of us were hanging out by Baar's my hole in the fence so when the Human Being got home it was dark he told Mom Geir Gandolf to Go home. All of us went over to their hole in the fence then the Human Being made Baar go back he grabbed Geir by the chin led him over to my hole in the fence. He thought I was Geir! Since he was over there he fed Baar Geir then came over to the hole where I was gave Mom her nightly pat on the head. Well, I was standing next to her so I sniffed the Human Being then he realized I was Jord not Geir! Ha, Ha . Fooled him.. He just left me there I ate spent the nite with Mom Gandolf but I bugged them too much that nite so the next morning I was afraid to go eat with them.. The Human Being put me on the bridge in front of the hole in the fence told them to leave me alone went to work. They let me eat but when the Human being got home from work he put me over with Baar put Geir with Mom Gandolf. Baar doesn't like to play with Geir as much as I do so they just ate hung out. So when Geir I play we watch out for Mom because MOM RULES!! At least until the Human Being comes down hangs out with us. Then he rules. Bye Brass Ring's Jord Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Life on the Ground
This message is from: Joel A Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is from Jord. Hi All, Jord here. Not much happening lately . Just hanging with little brother Baar. One day my baby brother got in the trailer haven't seen him since. Oh, well - just one less face to bite when the human being feeds us our oil alfalfa pellets. Man, I have to chew on them forever but they are goood. Otherwise it's just grass hay. Here's one of those Arsenio Hall things - how come ALL the good stuff is always at the bottom of the feeder. I end up nosing some of the stems out of the feeder to get to the good stuff. Then I can't reach what I threw out. Mom says Have you learned anything yet? You should see the human being when we drag the pan the pellets come in out of the feeder throw it around the corral. NO sense of humor. Baar me talked it over decided we would just play with the 5 gal jug the oil comes in instead. We have a fetch thing going. We throw the jug over the fence when the human being sees it he throws it back. Course he throws it AT us but it doesn't hurt. Haven't had the steel thingy in my mouth lately so, life is good. Eat, sleep, play. Guess Baar doesn't like the human being chasing him cause he just stands there when he comes in the corral. All the human does is pet him a little, maybe pick up a foot or mess with his ears. Sometimes I forget then I get chased around until I stop let him touch me, Maybe Baar is just lazy doesn't want to get chased. He really misses out cause me Geir chase each other around alot. Then we rear up at each other. It's fun. Baar must have got confused cause he bugged Gandolf when he was sleeping. Man! did he wake up in a hurry. Don't think Baar will be doing that again anytime soon. What a grump. Maybe he thought Gandolf was Geir or something. Anyway, bedtime. Bye Jord OH! I love a parade, love a parade, love a parade, love a parade!. Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Popping bubbles
This message is from: Joel A Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, you don't know me from a rock- don't tell me what I want. Check your history - Roosevelt's (sp?)uncle imported fjords in the late 1800's. First ones that stuck were brought over be the Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs. Nice to see all the responses but no one answered my question, to my satisfaction, anyway, as to why we want to make them taller finer boned. - - Jord thanks all of you who responded privately. I, along with Jord, respect the fact that some, you know who you are, responded privately your privacy will be respected by myself, Jord. So, from time to time, he will continue to educate those that could use it. As I stated awhile back he is in semi-retirement, until he grows some. He will be working this winter in Feb will be making an appearance in Ethel, Wa at the plowing contest, hopefully in a 4-up .If Mom, C-1404, is somewhere else by then it will probably be 3 abreast. He will let you know. I'm sure all of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to hear. Bye Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
I need an education, please
This message is from: Joel A Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need a miracle too - but that's another story, totally unrelated to fjords so What I need to know is the difference between driving riding bridles without blinders, blinkers, whatever one wants to call them. I use open bridles on my 8 2 yr old geldings. All are started open but the other 2 useful horses in the string got blinders put on them when they were 3 as I was trying to mow with them they were worried. There are times I need to get the farming don't have time for training.. Those of you that farm can relate. So these 3 yr olds just wanted to watch me. Habits hardly ever die so the 12yr gelding 7 yr mare wear blinders. Please note the 2 yr old, none other than Jord, infamous author of Life on the Ground, was pressed into service by default. I needed 2 teams for some light work(parades) he was the oldest available. I do not advocate working 2 yr olds. Their brain isn't in it. But all he did was hold up his side of the tongue. He's back to semiretired now. He was always worked with another horse so Honey did the thinking for him. When I work them open I just remove the reins off the headstall I use for riding. Everyone is on a snaffle bit. - Here is part II of my desire to be educated. Lap robes. Sounds like Tradition to me. Long ago it was to keep one from freezing. Guess if it was good enough for great grandpa it's good enough for us. So, why isn't the fjord that was imported in 18xx to America good enough for us. WHY do we have try make then taller thinner? Tradition for lap robes, but improving the breed by making something it is not? This is the dilemma I can't get my brain around. Will those of you that have it please turn your ignore button off educate me? Thank You Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch sometimes we show our work horses Mosier Oregon Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Re: V98 #391 Vivian's post more
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're welcome, Vivian. I think you pretty much covered what I know about origins of draft breeds. I can tell you Clydes were bred for their showiness as much as pulling freight wagons in England. Percherons were developed for knights, I think. The feather is showy as well as useful for protecting fetlocks. I do not shoe my horses, even when I use them to log. They don't really need the protection in the field although they could use the extra traction in the woods. Extra traction could lead to more leg injuries. Shoes aren't natural. It has been my experience that the more unnatural things one does to a horse the more problems one seems to cultivate. Height is not really a concern to me. I don't need 15hh horses. I rather like doing everything at chest height. I can see over my horses during ground work do not look at their buts as I did with a belgian shire that I used to log with. Where my draft friends use 2 horses I might need 3 to do the same work. So be it. They still don't eat as much. Dave, at least you preface it with the fact that is an advertisement. Gives people the option to scroll if they want to. More importantly(is that a word?)most of your posts aren't about selling something. Ingrid, It would be helpful to have a singletree with a hook that swivels. A chain with a ring or slip hook is better than a choker as you can vary the length. Hook as close as you can think about where the end behind you will swing as you turn. Try to stay behind the singletree as you skid. Stay on the uphill side if you can. 15'lines are handy. Watch out for stumps as they stop you in a hurry. Tie your shoes! Blow your nose! Sit still! Sit up straight! Wait till I get you home, young lady! Sorry, I got carried away. In rereading this I feel like that is what I sound like. BE CAREFUL Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re:V98 #390 type
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a reason work horses were bred - big bone. Pulling a plow, etc around a soft field is alot of work. Work horses have bigger feet so the weight will be spread out on that soft ground so they won't sink up to their knees. I don't know for a fact but I think finer boned horses would have more leg problems if they did heavy draft work all the time. Happy Plowing Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Weaning
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wean at 4 to 5 mo. depending on the mare's condition. I breed my mares back at 28 days would rather have the mare putting energy into the foal in utero instead of the brat on the ground. The brat can eat green grass - the new one can't. I put the foals with my stallion during weaning. My mares are glad to see junior gone. I also work my mares it much easier to do when they are not dripping milk. I have dragged junior along in the past but prefer not to. Tends to get in the way, pulls on mom, etc. -- I would be amazed at any vet that did not advocate having them do your shots. It's called job security. Personally I have a little problem with the $50 farm call. But then I try to do as many things as I can myself. Hard to work for $20/hr so I can pay someone $25/hr to do what I can do for parts or whatever. I have a good working relationship with my vet. I haul my horses to him when I need to. I only keep 6 or 7 horses so it is cost effective for me to do this. All our situations are different. That's what makes the world interesting. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Breed standards from Norway, etc.
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Katherine. The turpentine contained in any pine species needles has been known to cause cattle to abort. Oak leaves can create tannic acid in water troughs. Don't seem to be a problem when green. Seems like the cattle had to eat lots of needles for it to be a problem. I'm assuming your horses get enough to eat so they don't make meals out of the aforementioned. Thanks, Lisa. Don't think it will happen by then. Thanks, JoAnn. Don't tell me, you're a ESL instructor in Japan. Teach them well. Awhile back Steve offered good advice. Write your nasty reply and re-read it in the morning, before you send it. Treat people as you would like to be treated. Karma is a powerful thing. Pay now or pay later. People remember you for the last note you posted. Happy Trails Joel Harman By the way I'm still looking for a mare unrelated to Grabb or Rudaren. ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Lynda's questions
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] #1 Do you feed your 1/4 of a horse grain everyday even if you aren't using it? I may grain my PONIES if I am using them. I may grain the young ones IF the good GRASS hay I feed them doesn't appear to be meeting their needs. I suggest you consult a nutritionist. Trace minerals are important in development of strong bones pure thoughts, much like wonder bread is good for us. After all, it was on, TV wasn't it? The main difference between a horse pony is how they utilize forage. A pony, much like a mule, can utilize rougher forage. I have never been to Norway( Spain either),however I'm told that fjords were relegated to the steepest, brushiest pastures on the little 20 Ac farms that used to be the backbone of Norway's agriculture. From what I have read, heard in lectures, protein requirements decrease as an animal gets older (vets?). 2 Fjords are easy to train if you know what you are doing. If you don't, I suggest a trainer that has experience with mules. IF fjords are trained they don't forget. I gave my 12 yr old mare ( who is for sale, How's that for blatant commercialism?, toot!toot!) a few yrs off to farm with the young turks instead she thought she didn't remember but a few stern words her amnesia went away, shazam! However, she was trained before she took time off. 3 And your young 1/4 of a horse isn't mouthy? 4 I have never shod one of my fjords. Mostly because I'm lazy. I can put them on the gravel road for about 40 mi on a training cart before I give them a rest use someone else. As far as I know this is the only advantage to having more horses than you can hook up at one time. 5 The very bast horse to buy is the one that will fit your needs. If you want to rope, get a 1/4 of a horse. If you have multiple needs but the fjord that makes you smile. If you are patient knowledgable buy a young one. If you don't know what you are doing, buy a trained one. Make sure it is trained. What it will do for the trainer or owner is not what it will do for you. 6 How confident are you of your veterinary skills? Do you go to the doctor if you aren't sick? 7 As a rider you need to be aware of your surroundings. If you feel you can control your animal with a halter, go for it. 8 Is this a rhetorical question? 9 I was once told about a 270# man riding a 12.1 Icelandic ALL DAY long. At the end of the day, that pony was still tolting. Do what you think is right? Didn't seem to bother the Icelandic. A horse trader will sell you what they can. It is up to the buyer to be smarter than the horse trader. I don't have anything against 1/4 horses. I rode a young one in the Snake River canyons on a 6 wk pack trip years ago. He did fall asleep, fall over, one morning when we were leaving camp but we had covered alot of ground the day before. I was on him when he fell over. Hard to pick yourself off the ground when you are laughing so hard. Dave, toot is kind of like shazam, one can cover alot of ground with it. Sorry this is so long. This is a real candidate for the scroll action. Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #370
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] There, isn't it pleasant to talk about something other than how bad someone's comments are or what the Netherlands does with their horses(NO self respecting man has a PONY, right?). And look I didn't repeat one line of what I'm responding to you all knew what I was talking about. Look how much less AIR it takes up. The interesting thing about humans is we have opposed digits we remember things that pique our interest. We repeat things to our children 3 times while looking them in the eye. And let us not forget, there is more than 1 fjord registry in N. America, and, there are people here around the virtual table that have never been to the US just may be proud of it. ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #369
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ladies Gentleman, I believe the toilet is overflowing. Perhaps we should give it a rest. We are all adults here. Some trial topics - Why do you choose to train/not train your own horses? - Do you lunge with a line or off the line? - Do you keep your horses shod/have you ever shod your horses? - Have you ever thought of hauling your horses loose? - Have you ever thought of hauling your horses facing backwards? - Why is there air? Cheers Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
this that
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] How anyone handles their stallion is their business until you take him out in public. Then everyone has an opinion. Perception is all there is. If your stallion is hard to handle in public then you will probably have problems getting people interested in breeding to him. If he exhibits manners, kudos to whoever(whomever?) trained him. If you can get people interested in shipped semen - good for you. Depending on the distance between the stallion your ranch AI might be cheaper in the long run. I understand AI is only as good as the AI tech is. Been used on cattle for a long time. Advantages I see are your mare is home instead of wherever, no mare care fees but probably savings is offset by AI fees unless you do it yourself. Instead of your mare languishing on someone else's place she is home. I have never tried it, I keep my own stallion, don't do much outside breeding - not by choice - just no one seems interested. My loss, I guess. Starting young horses These are my opinions. I train my own horses. Fire away if you disagree. My training starts when they hit the ground. Halter is on them as soon I see them. Feet get handled, they are led around, shots, etc. I deal with them every day. As they get older they learn to load, stand quietly when tied, have their feet picked up , including banging on them as if shoes were being put on. They are lunged in the round corral after weaning. Not alot not every day. They aren't on a line. All I ask of them is to face up hook onto me. I can't teach anything if they aren't hooked onto me. I ride 2 yr olds sparingly. Actually that is my 11 yr old daughter's job. She is lighter than me . No saddles until they are 3. Harness as 2 yr olds with LIGHT load( a tire or something), on the forecart with an older horse for LIGHT road work. In the harness as 3 yr olds in multiple hitches in the fields. Light, short saddle work. More harness work as 4 yr olds. A break when they get tired. Mares are bred at 4yr to foal at 5 yr. Longer saddle work. At 5 yr they do all of the above for longer periods of time. Enough. If you are interested in more contact me privately . Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
replying
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the posts about on reply settings. I figured there would be more than one way to reply. My point is it takes up lots of memory with the entire message being repeated. Bigger message means more of a chance to get lost out there in cyberspace. - Starting older horses - Visited a friend last weekend that does fence work with horses starting to ride. Saddles them then sits on the fence works them with a sack on a pole. The horse is on a halter Idea is to get them used to having a person above them. The saddle is so they get associate the person above them with the saddle. Slowly gets them used to weight by putting more of himself on the saddle. Worked pretty good on a 1/4 horse mare that had hung up a stirrup going out the corral one time. He says it works on others too. He runs 50 head of Spanish mustangs. You might know him, Duane. Unfortunately he's not online. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
How to reply
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] How to reply to a posting. 1 Click on options. 2 Click on reply settings (Am I going too fast here?) 3 The screen will say something like - reply to sender only - reply to sender copy to all recipients Here's the tough part - include text of message in reply - don't include text of message in reply Then click on the bullet in front of each choice I personally like the first choice of each statement of the above How many of you agree with me? Try it. I bet all of us will like it. Joel Harman Any questions? ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
The angle of the dangle
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] It must be a little known fact of questionable interest that scrotal measurements are standard fare when evaluating bulls. So many cows to cover, so much ground to cover to do it, so little time in which to do it. So what's the POINT, Harman!? The point being that von Bon is seeing how many mares the stallion can cover in a day. As a sidelight he is endearing that boy to him forever. I'm sure you've heard the term - by the b! On the it takes two discussions - there is a time to whisper, there's a time to cowboy. There is a fine line between abuse training. Horses must respect your space. I do what it tales to see that mine respect my space others that might be handling them. In case you haven't noticed, they are MUCH larger than us. Box stalls - Easier to catch the horse when you want to work them. If one really does work one's horses maybe not a bad idea. It has been my observation that the more un-natural things one does to a horse the more undesirable behaviors will be manifested. My opinion - humans collect things, cars, kids, too many horses, not enough ground for the horses. So they end up in a box. Not enough time to deal with all the horses - so they stay in the box. How do you feel after being in the office all day without getting out? Sell some horses or get more ground turn them out. Your young stallion is being a butthead? Turn him out with the mares. They will take him to school in a hurry. He will have excellent manners you're not the bad guy. Probably better to do during winter when no mares are cycling. If you hand breed (although I can't imagine why) he's being a butthead - no mares today. Puts a cramp in your schedule but patience has its virtues. Maybe he'll associate being a butthead with not getting the girl. They aren't stupid just - testosterone driven. Better yet pasture breed. He's not going to get hurt IF you do this at a young age. His job is to service mares. Stallions have been doing that long before we got a hold of them. He's probably a lover you don't know it because you haven't given him a chance to show it. He knows when the mare is ready he's not going to hurt the foal cause he has one thing on his mind. My monthly request. There is a setting on your reply button which allows you to reply without repeating the ENTIRE MESSAGE YOU ARE REPLYING TO PLEASE UTILIZE IT WE are not stupid. We have read the post. We can basically run our computers so please desist. Thank you Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re:Carol's remarks in #358
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for an informative post that didn't once mention your horses directly. Very refreshing. Sincerely, Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #357
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. This will win me NO brownie points, however I'm not a fan of either of the ladies having it out in the open in #357 but point well taken by Ursula. Carol is very good at promoting Carol Ursula is very good at promoting Ursula. I feel it is important to realize tooting of one's own horn I commend Ursula for pointing out that it is a duck. As the welder replied yrs ago when I asked him if needed a light, Hell no! I make my own light!, as he struck an arc. I will make my own brownie points. So all you bleeding hearts out there fire away at me. Personally I'd rather see replies on the line then everyone can see how vindictive you are. Carol, we all know you sell fjords. Please give it a rest. Preach to the unbelievers for a change Ursula, please post something nice for a change. I'm sorry if I offended anyone - all I can say is ADJUST! with respect regards Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
trucks other big boy toys
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rule #1 : you always need a bigger toy than you think you need. Rule #2 : once you pull a fifth wheel it is hard to hook up that bumper pull. The ONLY drawback to a fifth wheel is you can't put your camper on your truck. Then you have to get a BIGGER fifth wheel with living quarters in the front. BIGGER big boy toy. I went from a 3/4T to a 1T with duals. The loss in fuel economy far outweighs the peace of mind one has when going into that corner too fast feeling the single rear wheel truck lean. So buy a beater car only use the 1T for pulling the trailer. Real men don't always drive a pick up. I also went from a 16' to a 20' fifth wheel. Partly because a drunk, uninsured, 20 yr old, eluding the police, was driving on the sidewalk when he hit my trailer doing 40mph. I was doing 3mph. Totaled the trailer. The unrestrained horse in the trailer was uninjured. So I bought 2 bigger big boy toys. If you put the horses in first get into a predicament remember your escape door at the front of the trailer. Much better to put carriage in first. Then when the idiot in front of you makes you stop short the carriage doesn't run over the horses. Make sure your carriage will fit between the most narrow part of the trailer. I had a 6'8 wide but it wasn't measured at the narrowest(is that a word?) part of the trailer. As a consequence I missed carrying the mayor of Dufur, OR in the Threshing Bee parade. Luckily someone was there to take up the slack. Took me an hr. to maneuver my wagon into that trailer. It fits in the new one. different subject Maybe fescue endophytes are why lots of mares foaled long last year. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #352
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The get from Trygve (Grabbson x Ljosa) have been lighter in the front end from him but the mares were lighter in the front end. They do have lots of feather but not the heavy ankles cannon bone like Trygve. different subject DVMs please correct me if I'm wrong. It's the endophytes in certain strains of fescue that may cause mares to abort. It only seems to be a problem when fescue hay has been cut too late. I don't know of any problems in the pasture. Talk to your local extension agent. There are endophyte free strains of fescue available. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #349
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Toot!Toot! for a son of Grabbson Trygve C-1389, Grabbson x Ljosa N-14691 is my stallion. Very drafty. 8 cannon bone, currently in a 21 collar doesn't have weight problem. He has covered every mare he's serviced. He's a pasture breed kind of guy. Good on the mares tolerant of the brat biting his ears, tail, etc. while he's in with the mare after that first 7 day heat. He sometimes baby sits the weanlings when they are first separated from mom. Does fine alone but, as we all know, horses are herd animals. While I used to be able to work him with a gelding( I logged one winter with him a gelding) he seems to be coming less tolerant. I keep a mare with him in the wintertime so he has company. The 2 of them are logging right now as weather permits. Seems to sire more fillys than colts. Vind has had 4 babies by him - all fillys. I have had him since he was 14 mo. old. I was comfortable having my young children, 1 3 at the time in with him. I didn't have to watch him all the time . If he got too close for their comfort, they bopped him on the nose he gave them more space. If I haven't used anyone for awhile have some work to do single I use him. 4th in the stallion class at Libby in '89 when there was only 1 stallion class. He was 2 at the time. There were about 8 horses in the class, he was the youngest. Is that enough crowing about the get of Grabbson? Toot!Toot! Oh, by the way, several of his get are registered NFHR. Don't ask why he isn't. You don't want to know. Thank you, Dee Ann, for asking. Happy Trails Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #346
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know why my posts ended up repeating themselves so many times on #346. I only sent them once. So everyone, please accept my apology. Thank you Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re:cutting manes
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been told that if a mane is left long it will eventually break down neck muscles. Something to do with the weight since most manes on fjords are thick. I know it takes longer than a year for this to happen because in the past I have not kept all my horses manes trimmed. I guess keeping it trimmed shows off the arch of the neck too. Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Ann, the lurker, fellow refuge from the the draft chat
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ann, Sorry to contact you this way but have you found any other chat lines to replace hoof.com now that they pulled off into the sunset? Please contact me privately if you have. I miss it too. Thanks Happy Trails Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
fjord mare wanted
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm looking for a mare unrelated to Grabb or Rudaren to replace the mares I want one of you lucky folks to buy. Training is unimportant as long as the mare hasn't been taught lots of bad habits. This mare must be eligible for Canadian registry. I'll entertain trades if you have one you can't breed to your stallion. That is the predicament I'm facing with my 5 yr old mare. I do more farm work then anything else so heavy bone is a plus. I think we all prefer private replies to a post such as this. Thanks Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
mares for sale
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gang, This is a post about mares for sale so if you're not interested here's where you hit the scroll button! I have decided to get a new line of mares. I have for sale an NFHR foundation mare her 5 yr old daughter. Vind, 12yr, has King Harald Rudaren bloodlines. Brass Ring's Eina, 5yr, has the above + she is from a grandson of Grabb. They work together match up well - better when Eina matures. Both have extensive farm experience including mowing raking hay. Vind is currently logging with my stallion, Trygve. Eina is still a little shaky on the logging part but does fine farming, riding driving. The only reason Eina is shaky on logging is because she has only been used twice for logging. Eina is my 11 yr old daughter's 4-H horse but Amanda is OK with selling her because she has 2 yr gelding, Geir, a 1/2 brother to Eina, that is starting nicely. Eina is open, last time I had Vind checked she was in foal to Trygve for a May 99 foal. Vind has had 4 fillies from Trygve, 5 foals all together. She foals without assistance in the pasture or corral, your choice, is a good mom with plenty of milk. I will entertain trades. If either of these interest you please contact me privately. I now return you control of your computer. Thank you for your time. Happy Trails Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR Where the weather is, oh, who cares? ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #331
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried loose salt this year the horses didn't utilize it so maybe the take home message is start them early on loose salt. Even the 2 mo old wouldn't utilize the loose salt so I don't know if I could start much earlier Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #302
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) A running W is like any other training aid - dangerous if placed in the hands of someone that doesn't know what they are doing. A running W is meant to be used on a horse that has a problem with the concept of whoa. I have used it on one fjord I owned - a 7 yr old range gelding with no training on him. He just couldn't understand what whoa meant. If you have an occasion to use it make sure you are using a cotton rope as it stretches. Awful handy to have someone helping you. Why not take the easy way out buy trained horses if you don't know what your doing. Expect to pay more for a trained horse make sure it will do what you want it to do. It may do great with the owner or trainer but YOU are the one that will use it. different subject Keith you are fortunate to be able to turn your horses out. As you say much less problems than having them in a box for 23 hr/day. I have found mine to not be interested in getting out of the weather - they just turn their back to the wind stand there. another subject - this one is blatantly commercial. I have for sale a 96 ford 3/4T turbo diesel super cab 4wd. 5sp, air, tilt cruise. 46K mi. $20K. Comes complete with a fjord sticker. I bought a 99 don't need 2 trucks. e-mail privately if you need a good truck. But a fjord from me while you're at it. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #301
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Again I preface this with the following disclaimer - I am not a professional trainer. I use a 33' somewhat round corral. 1/2 of this is dug into a hill. It is 10' to the top. I no longer use a line when lunging. More than one has tried to climb this slope to get away from that madman in the middle. While 33' is small for riding it keeps you upclose personal with your animal for ground work. Before I dug this pit I worked in the open on a line. In my younger, stupider days of breaking the band of horses my neighbor ran on 600 AC near Elgin OR we used a 33' round corral with a snubbing post.(As an aside LeNau Tucker is now 96 yr old still very active. Saw him last summer. Say hi to him for me Darlene) In any case we would run one in , rope it, snub it, tie up a hind leg, stand back. Effective, but hard on everyone. I find it much easier to work them off the line. The drawback - there always isn't a round corral when you need it. My corral lacks the snubbing post in the middle - I'm too beat up to use it anyway. I would not go any smaller than 33' for ground work. I would not go any smaller than 66' for riding. Once you get them going good off the line you can get them on the line for those times you forgot to pack your 33' round corral. Bye Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #302
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Smart like a mule is not a negative connotation. Put a horse mule on lush feed see who founders first. Ever seen a mule hurt themselves? I don't think so. Try to pack a bear meat on a horse, then have the mule pack it out for you. Do something stupid with a horse get yourself hurt. Try the same thing with a mule, it won't get done you won't get hurt. Put a handful of grain under single wire electric fence, see who eats without getting shocked. Watch a horse get tangled up in the traces blow up, Just untangle the mule look at all the time you save NOT having to fix harness. Put a horse mule in a brush patch watch the horse starve. Wish I were smart enough to work mules. Guess I'll have to live with fjords instead. Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #298
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) I don't consider myself a professional trainer although I have been associated with horses in general for 25 yr fjords for 11 yr. Most people who want to log farm are smart enough to use mechanized equipment to do these things. Those of us that choose to use horses for the above have various reasons to do this. I train my own horses because I know what I want them to do. I have tried several times in the past to take the easy route to a team of geldings to work. I bought some green broke fjords some never worked. Big mistake! I no longer have any of these fjords. It has been an expensive difficult learning experience. When a novice buyer is looking for a fjord to buy beware of the inexpensive horse fjord you purchase. What saves you money up front is going to cost you in the long run in medical bills on yourself or training fees to correct the faults of the deal you got. Bottom line - pay now or pay later. I don't keep mules because I'm not smart enough. I would offer a suggestion on the trainer you choose for your fjord. Find one that has trained mules. While not keeping mules I have been around them fjords remind me more of mules than they do horses. Different subject for those of you that don't know under your reply settings there might be something that says don't include text of message in reply. Check it out. Be prosperous in the new year. Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #283
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Susan makes a good point about buying a horse from what one sees on a tape. You don't know how that horse is going to react to you. Will it do what you ask? I would hazard a guess that any tape is edited. I always want to see how the horse will react to me. When anyone is interested in buying a horse from me I recommend that they handle the horse themselves. Horses handle differently. Duh! Time space sometimes make this proposition difficult. I have gone through several trained geldings 4yr or older that I could barely get harnessed. Then it was back to school in the round corral. I no longer have any of those geldings but have raised my own to do what I expect them to do. It is much easier to do that when they are young. A little side note here. I'm skidding logs this week . Anyone close enough to care is sure welcome to come out set chokers for me. The ground is so steep I have to cable everything. Oh, by the way, there will be NO cones or time on this event. Merry Xmas all that jazz Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #272
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Sounds like your oat hay was cut too late. Grain raised for hay should be cut in the milk stage, just as the heads are starting to form. That way there is still some nutrition in the stalk it isn't as fibrous. Remember fjords are ponies should be able to utilize rougher roughage than horses. This isn't scientific but maybe one should turn the horses out so they don't stand around eat bedding. The mud cold hasn't harmed my horses yet. I think it is mostly out of boredom that they eat it. Give them a big ball on a string or some such thing to play with. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #261
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Yeah! Lets ALL take our marbles go somewhere else start ANOTHER REGISTRY!! We could call it the NFANFHRFBA XYZ. Let's reinvent the wheel while we are at it! Personally I don't think there are enough registries for fjords now. Let's see if we can become the laughing stock of the horse world. Horse people ask me why there are so many registries for fjords I tell them there are big egos in this world. To be elgible for membership you have to have horses in at least 3 of the current FOUR fjord pony registries. Joel hARMAN ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #262
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) For those of you that read Ursula Jenson's comments in V98#262 the last name is HARMAN - not Harmon. If you are going to dis someone you should at least get it right, Ursula. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #247
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) If anyone is looking for the Grabb bloodline I have a stallion that is a grandson. An '88 model named Trygve. drafty, trained , for sale. In N Central OR not far from Portland, OR. Jon Hedgal liked him but said he was too short in the neck in relation to other 3/4. Of course he was 18 mo when seen by Jon, Dave Klove. Old style - shortbacked drafty. Reply privately if interested in either breeding or purchase. Thanks Joel Harman Toot! Toot! ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #236
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Toot!Toot! Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #227
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) This is in response to Carol Rivoire's post about evaluations. Toot Toot! What a coincidence that you just happened to mention a stallion from BDF as an example. Tell me do you allude to this horse in your private advertising or are we, the chat line set, the only benefactors of this? I would like to offer another point of view concerning stallion owners that don't attend evaluations. The NFHR isn't the only Fjord pony registrar in existence. Nor is it the oldest. Perhaps someone should offer a short history on the origins of the NFHR. Some people would rather not deal with the politics of different registries. Speaking of politics for those US subscribers PLEASE VOTE this Tues. Seems to me evaluation or not the grapevine will take care of inferior stallions. I sure pick up nasty rumors in my private conversations with other fjord owners. I never hear anything about the CFHA or the NAFA or the FBA. Different Subject I would just like to reiterate what happened to Arabs when breeders went off in search of the perfect head. Look at the side profile of a new style arab a camel from the neck up. In private conversation I heard 3rd hand that Bob von from the Netherlands stated he would like to see more grey stallions but the quality is lacking. I have only seen 1 grey stud in my time. I appreciate hearing people's viewpoints on the color of the month. Let's hear it for stocky 13HH drafty ponies! Let's hear it for white stars on the forehead! Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #225
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Is anyone else out there concerned with the fixation of greys. I understand there are folks trying for this recessive gene exclusively. Anyone remember what Arabs used to be like? Little short backed, 14hh, black hooved, endurance machines. Now they have pretty heads that pass for camels they are 17hh. People started to breed for pretty heads on the Arabs. Remember old style Morgans? The other day some draft horse person asked me if my 13.1hh mare was a miniature fjord? I told her,no this is what they looked like before real men decided they couldn't be seen with drafty ponies. So people started to breed for height. Maybe the fixation on greys is a minority movement. I don't know. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #220
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) This in in response to Ursula Jensen's comments about what Tillie Evers wrote. Maybe you should read her first post again. She said something to the effect that she had heard that many cross breeds come from Canada. I don't recall where she stated ALL of the crossbreeds come from Canada. I know that Tillie is new to fjords. How is she going to learn without asking questions? I've often heard it said that there are no stupid questions - just unintelligent responses to the questions. May I ad a shame on you? When is the last time you went to a show where someone kept a mare in the stud pen area at a show? The only place I've seen it is at a fjord show. While I am on a roll here I seem to remember your husband Brian commenting on how someone had their horse in shafts hooked incorrectly. Shortly after the horse went by his trailer there was a wreck. Think that could have been avoided by offering some constructive criticism? Shame on both of you! Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #219
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) This is in response to thinking the NFHR should put more money in promotion. I am not a member. I quit paying dues when I found that papers pertaining to registration of horses were not handled in a timely manner. I also found that BOD members were lax in returning correspondence. I realize that BOD members are volunteers have a life of their own. However it is my humble opinion that if you are going to take the time to volunteer then do the task you volunteered for. I register what I can with the Canadian Fjord Horse Association. They are much more business like in their dealings. Unfortunately I have a mare with unknowns on her pedigree (some of that Purdy stock) so I have a nice stud prospect (at 5 mo., time will tell) that is not registered. I could register him NFHR but choose not to. Carol, I think you are expecting too much from a group of volunteers. I don't know if paying them is the way to go because then it is their job. Not that anyone cares but there are QH breeders that advertise line bred horses. They do this because they have found a line that they really like so do the people that buy them. When you get a knucklehead you geld it or you don't breed the mare. One seems to get the worst of the worst the cream of the breed when line breeding. Carol, since you are a professional you know the value of advertising. Ever think of just promoting your farm by yourself instead of relying on volunteers that have their own agendas? Of course you have! Another subject. Cribbing. Seems to come from boredom. Diesel fuel painted on boards seems to slow down the cribbers. It's organic, you know. Give them a ball to play with or run a few horses together. As we all know horses are herd animals. How would you like to be stuck in a 12x12 stall all day? Put them in a dry lot if they get too fat on pasture. They will chase each other around then you won't have to put them on a walker for exercise. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #218
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Kristine, I think you will find lots of interesting tidbits on this chat line. One of the down sides of fjords is they attract lots of people new to horses. What makes America interesting is the diversity of people in it. Sometimes this diversity leads to new ways of looking at old problems. I learned about horses from an old cowboy from Montana. He showed me how to harness, drove the team (not fjords) around the corral once, then told me when I had a problem come to him. He would tell me the same story everytime but the ending changed to help me fix the problem. I think maybe people get their horse sense out of books now - you know I'm OK, You're OK. Or maybe they saw the Horse Whisperer. I learned something new from that but I think I will continue to throw a horse by tying up a hind foot instead. Throwing a horse is not my idea of a nice way to spend an afternoon nor is putting a running W on one but they seen to be effective training aids when needed. After a running W is employed I find horses stop when you say whoa. Common sense should be considered when speaking of sensitivity. People should remember that fjords are slow to mature youngsters have growth plates where older horses have bone. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #200
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Brian it wasn't the teamster that said the fjord didn't like the pole. The owner said the tongue hit the mare the owner yelled at the teamster that she was going to run but the mare bolted quicker than the teamster could react. The mare hadn't been used in over a year due to a shoulder injury to me. Gee! do you think that is why we were driving them around some before the parade. Brian you neglected to mention the colt being ponied off the other mare. You also neglected to mention that had people moved the car like we asked instead of unhooking the mare we would have worked on her until she didn't bolt when the tongue hit her. Instead she was taught that to get out of work all she has to do is run everyone will unhook her. You left out the part that there was barely enough room for the three horses to go where Howard put them. What you don't know is the mare was in the Pendleton Roundup parade the next weekend did fine. Maybe you should talk to the owner before you pass on rumors. What you don't remember is that same mare was used in a three abreast in the unique hitch class at Libby in 97. There was a stud colt ponied off the stud she worked next to so it was actually a four abreast. We pulled a set of spring tooth harrows. The judge asked us to trot. I personally have never seen anyone trot a pack string or a farm implement. I told the judge I would draw the line at backing up. Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #201
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Josie, I tried to reply privately twice now but get a message that your e-mail address doesn't exist. I would caution against using breast strap harness for logging. It is not designed for loads on the ground. Get a harness designed for a collar. There is a reason you only see breast strap harness on light carriages. A collar does a much better job of distributing the load has the draft set at the correct angle. Be very careful when hooking a log. Get your tugs as short as possible. That way you might be able to get the front of the log up some so you don't dig a furrow. Hook the log as close to the single tree as possible. Stay on the uphill side of the log. Sometimes one can get lucky get the log on the single tree. To hook I use tongs or a chain with a ring on one end. Stays on better than a hook end. Actually if you can't ride I don't know if you should try logging. Someone made a comment about a cart or wagon. That might be better than logging. Logging is as hard on the teamster as it is on the horse. Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #198
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Because I think this might be of interest to all I will answer Dave McWethy's comments here instesd of privately. First off, thank you for not rehashing my entire post. Saves everyone time. More scarification can be achieved by a few methods. -Time of year the logging is done. If the ground is soft one uses a different trail each turn the ground will be scarified. For maximum effect leave a few stabs on the logs. Unfortunately this is harder on the horses as the logs dig in more. -If the client really wants a park-like effect all slashcan be piled then disc the stand or pull a spike toothharrow around when done. Slope will come into play here. I farm 20% ground sometimes I don't have enough pucker in my ___hole to keep me on the seat. Walking is another matter since one walked the logs out one could walk the harrow or disc around. -If possible one can do a controlled burn to clean up the ground to make a nice seedbed for regeneration. Unfortunately Smokey has made fire a four letter word. Dave, that is why I prefaced my remarks as I did. I know it is entertainment. In the woods there is rarely flat ground with no brush or slash to navigate through or around. The horses don't have a problem but the teamster only has 2 legs. I personally have never encountered a shortage of scarification. If one is interested in minimum ground disturbance log when the ground is frozen there is snow on the ground. One can move LARGE loads over snow. Watch out for stumps lurking below the snow. Talk about WHOA! Cheers Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #196
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) I realize that it is entertaining to see a horse or team going fast in a log skid class. In the real world of horselogging it is a good way severely injure both teamster team if you allow the horses to move that fast. It is also a good way to damage leave trees. One of the reasons to use horses for logging is to minimize damage to the soil the stand you leave behind. With a good horselogger one will not be able to tell there was any logging done except for the stumps. Happy Logging Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjord horse-digest V98 #188
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Gee Mike, It is nice you decided to ignore me this time since I wasn't referring to you in my post. I seem to remember you telling one time that you were not a board member. Now, what about all the rest of the times you ignored me? Very professional. Should we add the comment credited to you the first time you were presented with my problem or will you ignore that too? I hate to pop anyone's bubble but there are more than 2 registries in the US. Let's not forget the fjord horse Breeders of America. Let's not lose sight of why there are 3 different registries in the US - people taking their marbles going elsewhere. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the NFHR was one of these upstart registries. The NFA might have been first if business had been conducted in a business like manner maybe it would have flourished. By the way I contacted more than 1 board member about my difficulties concerning registering my stallion. You know what - I never received any written response from the board. Oh as an aside this stallions get can be registered anywhere except 1 of my mares has unknowns which no one can figure out so get from him her will not be CFHA registered as they do not accept unknowns. Cheers Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #186
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Who is going to say what registries are approved? I am unfortunate to have horses registered everywhere because of the pissing matches un professionalism of those in power on the various boards of their pet fjord registries. For the good of the breed - bull! For the stroking of the ego! It is enough to make me sell all my fjord horses ( since NO self-respecting man has ponies). To those of you that have heard about this before - I apologize. I purchased an unregistered stud colt in '88. I went to register him - doesn't matter where( if you are so inclined contact me privately I'll tell you). Oh he needs to be bloodtyped. Wonderful! $500 3yr later I still don't know his dam. When I finally get a match I send in money for him 3 other horses for registry. In the meantime I don't advertise horses for sale because I don't want to pass problems on. Then I get a song dance that horse won't be registered because the registrar says it doesn't matter if bloodtyping is correct I - at my expense - have to track down horses in Sweden Norway to get samples from them. I had already tried that with no success. Of course the BOD says you match the dam that horse will be registered. Of course the BOD members I contacted knew nothing about it. As an aside this stallion placed 4th in the stallion class in Libby in 88 as a 14 mo old. That was before classes were broken down further by age. Jon Hegdal Dave Klove (sp?) were judges that year. The only reason I can see for worrying about registering a gelding is to know bloodlines. If we are so concerned about pure fjords why are fjords with spots registered? I have been told that spots denote out breeding at some point in time. Please correct me if I am incorrect in this assumption. Who is to say what is appropriate handling? Maybe some horses (ponies?) need a FIRM hand. Maybe we could abolish ALL registries start over with only ONE registry. Oh I guess EGOS won't allow that. In closing I would like to thank Carol for bringing something relevant to discuss instead of how someone taught Fifi to sit stay rollover. Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #171
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) To all those that replied to the geldings all other discussions - why don't you set your reply mode to NOT PRINT THE ENTIRE MESSAGE YOU ARE REPLYING TO?!!! Not only is it inconsiderate to the rest of us but it wastes time. I seem to remember seeing several posts requesting this. Maybe that is why Merek doesn't read 90% of posts. Maybe it is because 90% of us do not like the feeling that we are listening in on private conversations that should be sent to one's own e-mailbox - not the list. If you have a witty comment why not add your name to the end so we know who to stay away from. Believe it or not horses are like people - some one likes some one doesn't. Not that anyone cares but I prefer geldings when I want to get some work done. Mares stallions are necessary but can be a pain when they can't stay on task - ie. get the field plowed. Those of you that want a horse that isn't loved contact me privately. I have a 6yr mare blind in the left eye that will make someone a nice pony. 13.1HH, trained to ride drive but better for riding. She will be going to auction soon if not sold. Buck Grabb lines. Currently open but foaled 1 yr ago this year. A cougar got this years foal. She is a good brood mare for someone other than me. She is a good kids horse for that matter. I taught last years foal to sit, stay , rollover. Joel Harman _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
