[Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
I finally got around to setting up my 5000A yesterday and noticed the following: 1) After installing the driver, Vista didn't give the Found new hardware box after reboot and powering on the transceiver. 2) After the above, Device Manager showed the Flex installed under Sound, video and and game controllers and as working normally with the correct driver version number. I expected it to be under Radio Receivers. 3)After installing PowerSDR, once I stop the receiver and close the program, I get PowerSDR has stopped working I'm using 32 bit Vista Home Premium on a C2D 6700 machine. Despite the above, everything seems to be working correctly, but I wonder if I did something wrong. Thanks for the handholding, 73, Alan Johnson N4LUS -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/b6f90266/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] CCW
Quoting Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Sat 22 Dec 2007 07:23:58 PM PST: I always thought that the ability of GPS receivers to detect signals that ride at or deep inside the noise levels was a direct descendant of the concepts of CCW. Not exactly. GPS relies on spreading the signal, and then despreading it in in the receiver with an internally generated perfect copy of the original spreading signal. It's the phase of the spreading signal that gives you the unambiguous range measurement needed. They are similar in that they both rely on using a very narrow bandwidth detector. The math experts on this list know more about this topic than I do. But CCW was a pretty exciting concept that could dramatically improve reception of signals that couldn't be 'seen' or heard with the ear. was is the operative term. It was very effective using the technology available at the time. Nowadays when it's straightforward getting ppb frequency references (GPS disciplined) and having a lot of DSP available on the coding and decoding sides, the balance shifts... I think that there are better comm methods for an HF channel. The ionosphere puts a basic limit of a couple hertz on how narrow you can get (doppler spreading). Furthermore, CW is an on/off modulation, so the average power is lower than a constant envelope method. Techniques such as PSK or MFSK are probably better, especially those that do some amount of Forward Error Correction and that have modulations tuned to the ionospheric channel. If the SDR can finally bring CCW into the ham 'bag of tricks' for long distance RF communication than it will be terrific event. I suspect that a low speed form of PSK16 or MFSK can blow it away. OTOH, CCW has some historical interest, and the beauty of a software radio is that experimenting with it isn't particularly more difficult than any other modulation scheme. Jim,W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Alan, You have done nothing wrong. You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) There is a new SVN version of PowerSDR that corrects the annoyance message PowerSDR has stopped working you get under Vista. The correction will be in the next production release of PowerSDR slated for sometime near the first of the year. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 1:05 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities I finally got around to setting up my 5000A yesterday and noticed the following: 1) After installing the driver, Vista didn't give the Found new hardware box after reboot and powering on the transceiver. 2) After the above, Device Manager showed the Flex installed under Sound, video and and game controllers and as working normally with the correct driver version number. I expected it to be under Radio Receivers. 3)After installing PowerSDR, once I stop the receiver and close the program, I get PowerSDR has stopped working I'm using 32 bit Vista Home Premium on a C2D 6700 machine. Despite the above, everything seems to be working correctly, but I wonder if I did something wrong. Thanks for the handholding, 73, Alan Johnson N4LUS -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/b6f90266/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Dec 23, 2007 1:36 PM, Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio... Lest anyone read this and have heart failure, notice he said *primary*. PowerSDR/Windows absolutely *will* be supported in the future. Many innovative features of the new virtual radio design will require more OS support than Windows can provide, however. In short: PowerSDR/WIndows lives on. It's not the whole picture, though. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/601847cf/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
How many OS zombies exist in this world? I had no idea that OS/2 (with enough forks stuck in it to feed the army) was still wandering around! Neal Campbell K3NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM:nealk3nc telnet to our DX Spotting clusters at: dxc.k3nc.com, ports 12001 and 23 Devoted to Dogs: How to be your dog's best owner Great Dog Book at www.abrohamneal.com On Dec 23, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] CCW
Ok, I see why I connected the two technologies. Does the 'exact' timing needed for CCW help with the 'very narrow bandwidth detector' methodology? Is the CCW detector only allowing or gating for the signal at an 'exact' moment in time? hmmm, more questions. :-) - Original Message From: Jim Lux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:24:24 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] CCW Quoting Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Sat 22 Dec 2007 07:23:58 PM PST: I always thought that the ability of GPS receivers to detect signals that ride at or deep inside the noise levels was a direct descendant of the concepts of CCW. Not exactly. GPS relies on spreading the signal, and then despreading it in in the receiver with an internally generated perfect copy of the original spreading signal. It's the phase of the spreading signal that gives you the unambiguous range measurement needed. They are similar in that they both rely on using a very narrow bandwidth detector. The math experts on this list know more about this topic than I do. But CCW was a pretty exciting concept that could dramatically improve reception of signals that couldn't be 'seen' or heard with the ear. was is the operative term. It was very effective using the technology available at the time. Nowadays when it's straightforward getting ppb frequency references (GPS disciplined) and having a lot of DSP available on the coding and decoding sides, the balance shifts... I think that there are better comm methods for an HF channel. The ionosphere puts a basic limit of a couple hertz on how narrow you can get (doppler spreading). Furthermore, CW is an on/off modulation, so the average power is lower than a constant envelope method. Techniques such as PSK or MFSK are probably better, especially those that do some amount of Forward Error Correction and that have modulations tuned to the ionospheric channel. If the SDR can finally bring CCW into the ham 'bag of tricks' for long distance RF communication than it will be terrific event. I suspect that a low speed form of PSK16 or MFSK can blow it away. OTOH, CCW has some historical interest, and the beauty of a software radio is that experimenting with it isn't particularly more difficult than any other modulation scheme. Jim,W6RMK Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/801dec33/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A That is the goal and using parallels or bootcamp on OSX or KVM/QEMU on Linux will get you the windows support needed for legacy applications. You will regret not having a Core 2 processor if you intend running Windows on KVM on Linux. My Linux machine running Windows XP SP2 under KVM/QEMU and using VS 2003 compiles powersdr faster than my P4 HT running XP! Alas, there is no serious IO MMU hardware yet so things like firewire and usb are not or poorly supported respectively. The device cannot magically appear in KVM/QEMU in the right place and owned by the guest yet. But it is clear, this is coming. Soon, we will not be having this argument. You will seamlessly run whatever you want to WITHOUT having to dual or even triple boot. But full and complete support of what is coming down the road many moons out will require an eventual migration of some of the work to a Linux machine. Just not tomorrow or next month. Bob -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair “An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?” Descartes ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] CCW
Ted @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the ability of GPS receivers to detect signals that ride at or deep inside the noise levels was a direct descendant of the concepts of CCW. The math experts on this list know more about this topic than I do. But CCW was a pretty exciting concept that could dramatically improve reception of signals that couldn't be 'seen' or heard with the ear. If the SDR can finally bring CCW into the ham 'bag of tricks' for long distance RF communication than it will be terrific event. It sounds like CCW would be the nuts for EME if it's capable of digging signals out of noise. But, I'm afraid I'm in the dark as to what CCW is. Someone, please enlighten me. 73, Bill, W3XO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/7e69f603/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Hello Bob I can wait till May. Happy holidays to you Flexers! José F5JD Le dimanche 23 décembre 2007 à 15:58 -0500, Robert McGwier a écrit : Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A That is the goal and using parallels or bootcamp on OSX or KVM/QEMU on Linux will get you the windows support needed for legacy applications. You will regret not having a Core 2 processor if you intend running Windows on KVM on Linux. My Linux machine running Windows XP SP2 under KVM/QEMU and using VS 2003 compiles powersdr faster than my P4 HT running XP! Alas, there is no serious IO MMU hardware yet so things like firewire and usb are not or poorly supported respectively. The device cannot magically appear in KVM/QEMU in the right place and owned by the guest yet. But it is clear, this is coming. Soon, we will not be having this argument. You will seamlessly run whatever you want to WITHOUT having to dual or even triple boot. But full and complete support of what is coming down the road many moons out will require an eventual migration of some of the work to a Linux machine. Just not tomorrow or next month. Bob ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] CCW
Bill Tynan wrote: It sounds like CCW would be the nuts for EME if it's capable of digging signals out of noise. But, I'm afraid I'm in the dark as to what CCW is. Someone, please enlighten me. CCW attracted quite a bit of interest back in the late 70s and early 80s, but I have heard little mention of it since then. It required some fairly elaborate hardware, so didn't become very popular. Basically, the idea was to have the CW bit-rate defined very precisely, and the hi/lo transitions be synchronous with a reference derived from UTC. Thus, based on the expected propagation delay from the sending station, the timing on the received pulses would be known allowing some processing gain. Also, the transmitting frequency would be held precisely, allowing very narrow filters. Nowadays, with GPS derived time and frequency references, and elaborate DSP being widely available, pretty much all that is needed could be implemented in the SDR architecture. It would a really cool area to experiment with, although as has already been pointed out, modern digital modes are already far superior. See WSJT for example. CCW was never really a candidate for EME because of the timing and frequency issues. I was mostly interested in CCW for weak-signal terrestrial work on VHF, but I never did get to complete the processing hardware. At the time, it was mainly an HF mode. The only easily available reference I have here is from: VHF Communications, 1/82, Woodson, W6NEY, Coherent Telegraphy Transmissions. That article references: QST, Sept 75, Petit, W7GHM, Coherent CW: Amateur Radio's New State of the Art? Hope that helps. GL 73, Alf NU8I Scottsdale AZ DM43an ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] CCW
Quoting Bill Tynan [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Sun 23 Dec 2007 01:12:57 PM PST: Ted @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like CCW would be the nuts for EME if it's capable of digging signals out of noise. But, I'm afraid I'm in the dark as to what CCW is. Someone, please enlighten me. Coherent CW. It allows you to use what is effectively a VERY narrow detection filter. For EME, other coherent detection approaches are more popular (JTxx in it's various flavors). Just as for ionospheric paths, EME paths have their own unique properties (libration doppler spreading, a large target relative to wavelength, etc.) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] CCW
Quoting Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Sun 23 Dec 2007 12:27:02 PM PST: Ok, I see why I connected the two technologies. Does the 'exact' timing needed for CCW help with the 'very narrow bandwidth detector' methodology? Is the CCW detector only allowing or gating for the signal at an 'exact' moment in time? hmmm, more questions. :-) Both.. you KNOW when the dits and dahs are occuring (symbol sync), and because you are tracking carrier phase, you can coherently integrate over the symbol time, which improves the SNR. Say you had a really narrow receiver, but didn't know when the dits and dahs are. You sample the output of the receiver, but you might happen to sample half way between a dit and the inter-dit interval. ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Hi Robert, Sigh... Well belive it or not before Andy Grove and Bill Noyce put a time line on Grosch's Law, parallel processing was a big deal. Figuring out how to efficiently make use of parallel processors was an equally big or bigger deal. Eventually a guy named R. L. Denniston began to emerge as a primary disciple of functional programing which does appear be the best way to efficiently use MIMD architectures. Interestingly, just as functional programming was gaining steam, the Intel crowd put Grosch's law on a three year time line. Parallel processing and functional programming became a academic issue. Now with little fanfare the three year version of Grosch's aphorism has hit the wall. Once the blood and dust of the collision settled, guess what? The parallel processing and functional programming phoenix rose from it's ashes. I've lived to long! Yes functional programing is the best solution to programming MIMD architectures. And yes, unless someone figures out how to implement the general form of Maxwell's equations in ECAD, Microsoft will develop Functional C# or what ever they choose to call it. To go with Functional C they will develop Functional Windows. This will come sooner than later. Yes it's fun to play with Linux and Erlang. Yes L E will provide a lot of understanding for the inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. In the mean time please for the sake of us FlexRadio supports don't get confused about the end result. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors which might limit a budding market. Sincerely vy 73's Rob AB7CF On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:58:29 -0500 Robert McGwier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A That is the goal and using parallels or bootcamp on OSX or KVM/QEMU on Linux will get you the windows support needed for legacy applications. You will regret not having a Core 2 processor if you intend running Windows on KVM on Linux. My Linux machine running Windows XP SP2 under KVM/QEMU and using VS 2003 compiles powersdr faster than my P4 HT running XP! Alas, there is no serious IO MMU hardware yet so things like firewire and usb are not or poorly supported respectively. The device cannot magically appear in KVM/QEMU in the right place and owned by the guest yet. But it is clear, this is coming. Soon, we will not be having this argument. You will seamlessly run whatever you want to WITHOUT having to dual or even triple boot. But full and complete support of what is coming down the road many moons out will require an eventual migration of some of the work to a Linux machine. Just not tomorrow or next month. Bob -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out? Descartes ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] CCW
Hi Bill, CCW stands for Coherent CW Google has about 2500 references to it. 73, Brian, ZL1IE Bill Tynan wrote: Ted @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the ability of GPS receivers to detect signals that ride at or deep inside the noise levels was a direct descendant of the concepts of CCW. The math experts on this list know more about this topic than I do. But CCW was a pretty exciting concept that could dramatically improve reception of signals that couldn't be 'seen' or heard with the ear. If the SDR can finally bring CCW into the ham 'bag of tricks' for long distance RF communication than it will be terrific event. It sounds like CCW would be the nuts for EME if it's capable of digging signals out of noise. But, I'm afraid I'm in the dark as to what CCW is. Someone, please enlighten me. 73, Bill, W3XO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/7e69f603/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/1de50908/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Help with Power SDR installation
Hi All, In trying to install Power SDR I get Invalid Windows Class Name as an error. Tried reinstalling, cleaning reg and installaing again with same results. Deleted and reinstalled .net 1.1 and it's service pack Running XP Pro Installed and reinstalled Flex 5000 driver too. Now when I try to run Power SDR I get Error in communicating with Driver ! Thanks in advance, Dave Anderson, K4SV Tryon, NC 828 777-5088 www.K4SV.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will come sooner than later. Yes it's fun to play with Linux and Erlang. Yes L E will provide a lot of understanding for the inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. In the mean time please for the sake of us FlexRadio supports don't get confused about the end result. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors which might limit a budding market. Is there a reality-based point in here somewhere? 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/d975c1d5/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] BPSK superior to CCW
Max Carter wrote in a footnote in his article Super Narrowband Techiques Equalize Power Inequity on 1750 metres Communications Quarterly November 1990 pages 99-113 that BPSK gives a 6 dB advantage over CCW when demodulated synchronously - in the case of true coherent demodulation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/84cf40a6/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] SDR-1000 for sale
hello everyone - i have for sale a flex radio sdr-1000 with less than 20 hours of operation on it. it comes with a presonus firebox and a delta M44 card and all the cables. i'll also throw in a griffin usb knob and a set of creative labs CB2530 bluetooth headphones. i made a cable to key up my amp too, it is powered from the 15 pin D connector and has a small reed relay to key your external amp. it works well with my commander magnum and both ameritrons. shipped anywhere in the lower 48 states by USPS surface, the whole sha-bang goes for $1200.00 i can be reached by email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] any time. thanks, phil AB2JL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/7d583c76/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Help with Power SDR installation
Dave, let the system rest for a moment after the icon appears in the task tray at the right bottom of the screen. It takes a moment or two, then start PowerSDR. And there is always the chance of a bad download, so you might want to re-download the firmware and driver and clean everything up and try again. Also note that when using the add/remove programs from control panel to remove the old stuff, it might leave some files in the old folder that may cause a problem. It is best to delete and recreate the folder after the uninstall when doing the retry. I don't know which version of PowerSDR you are working with, but if this is a new system, I would recommend you download the last official release, 1.10.3 and get it up and running then you will have a fall back position if you try some of the later SVNs. Good Luck, I hope at least one of these suggestions is some help. 73's Jim, W4ATK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://web.mac.com/jimrogers_w4atk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Anderson, K4SV Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:45 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Help with Power SDR installation Hi All, In trying to install Power SDR I get Invalid Windows Class Name as an error. Tried reinstalling, cleaning reg and installaing again with same results. Deleted and reinstalled .net 1.1 and it's service pack Running XP Pro Installed and reinstalled Flex 5000 driver too. Now when I try to run Power SDR I get Error in communicating with Driver ! Thanks in advance, Dave Anderson, K4SV Tryon, NC 828 777-5088 www.K4SV.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Info Tab
Hi, I'm running PowerSDR V1.10.3 SVN:1606, which is the version that came on the CD with my rig. The manual says there is an Info tab that allows you to monitor voltage and temperature. This tab isn't present when I run PowerSDR. Is there something I need to do to make this appear? 73, Mike - ke5akl ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] (no subject)
Hi, I can't get a straight key to work with my Flex-5000A. Every few elements the rig misses key closures or openings with the result that, on the sidetone, dits turn to dahs, multiple elements get run together, or elements are missed entirely. Every so often the sidetone actually gets stuck on. Watching an external power/swr meter it looks like the problem is not just with the sidetone, i.e. the transmitted signal is doing the same thing as the sidetone. I'm running with the key plugged into the key input on the back of the rig and iambic unchecked. I've tried three different straight keys. The behavior happens with them all and none of them have such problems with my other rig. The 5000a works OK with the internal keyer and paddles connected to the same input -- no problems as described above. However, when I run with an external keyer (WK USB) instead of the straight key the same kinds or problems occur. Again, the external keyer has no problems with my other rig. Anyone got any ideas? 73, Mike - ke5akl ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Info Tab
Mike, While the PowerSDR console has focus, use the key combination: CTRL-SHIFT-I to bring up the Info window. Dale, WA8SRA Mike Walsh wrote: Hi, I'm running PowerSDR V1.10.3 SVN:1606, which is the version that came on the CD with my rig. The manual says there is an Info tab that allows you to monitor voltage and temperature. This tab isn't present when I run PowerSDR. Is there something I need to do to make this appear? 73, Mike - ke5akl ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] (no subject)
Mike, Try lightly burnishing the contacts on your key(s) by drawing a sheet of paper through the gap between the contacts while maintaining a slight amount of pressure on the contacts. Make a few passes with the paper, and try your key again to see if that helps. 73, Dale WA8SRA Mike Walsh wrote: Hi, I can't get a straight key to work with my Flex-5000A. Every few elements the rig misses key closures or openings with the result that, on the sidetone, dits turn to dahs, multiple elements get run together, or elements are missed entirely. Every so often the sidetone actually gets stuck on. Watching an external power/swr meter it looks like the problem is not just with the sidetone, i.e. the transmitted signal is doing the same thing as the sidetone. I'm running with the key plugged into the key input on the back of the rig and iambic unchecked. I've tried three different straight keys. The behavior happens with them all and none of them have such problems with my other rig. The 5000a works OK with the internal keyer and paddles connected to the same input -- no problems as described above. However, when I run with an external keyer (WK USB) instead of the straight key the same kinds or problems occur. Again, the external keyer has no problems with my other rig. Anyone got any ideas? 73, Mike - ke5akl ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Sunday 23 December 2007 04:24:57 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors ... That was funny - Thanks! Kent/KX5KW ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] 5000 stuck in TX
For some reason my when I click Start in PowerSDR for my 5000 it looks like it is stuck in transmit yet there is no power out. Does anyone know who to get it unstuck? There is nothing hooked up to the rear panel PTT ports BTW. This is very strange. Thanks Zack N8FNR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/e9a77943/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 5000 stuck in TX - Ignore previous message!
Somehow PowerSDR got set in Demo mode which is very strange as I did not change it. And that was in both SVN and v1.10.3 which I have not opened up in several days. Weird. It is working now. Thankls Zack N8FNR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/2517226a/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] SPAM:Re: (no subject)
Hi Dale, I gave that a try and no difference. Plus, the same thing happens with the output of my external keyer. It's kind of a weird problem since the internal keyer works OK in iambic mode with paddles connected to the same physical input. 73, Mike - ke5akl -Original Message- From: Dale Boresz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:14 PM To: Mike Walsh Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: SPAM:Re: [Flexradio] (no subject) Mike, Try lightly burnishing the contacts on your key(s) by drawing a sheet of paper through the gap between the contacts while maintaining a slight amount of pressure on the contacts. Make a few passes with the paper, and try your key again to see if that helps. 73, Dale WA8SRA ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] DXLab Commnander Setup Problems
There is no difference in how the 5000 and the 1000 set up. I have both radios and I set all the settings the same. I use Kenwood in Commander and TS-2000 in the powerSDR cat screen. Baud rate makes no difference here. I wonder if you have your Vcom pair chosen correctly. 73 W9OY Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/b4173892/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] DXLab Commnander Setup Problems
Or activated correctly. Once the pair is defined and the configuration saved, the driver must be updated. - Tim W4TME From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee A Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:55 PM To: Flexradio Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DXLab Commnander Setup Problems There is no difference in how the 5000 and the 1000 set up. I have both radios and I set all the settings the same. I use Kenwood in Commander and TS-2000 in the powerSDR cat screen. Baud rate makes no difference here. I wonder if you have your Vcom pair chosen correctly. 73 W9OY Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/b4173892/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Hi Frank, Reality is that Research must be free to explore and find new solutions to customer needs. Production development must sustain the business based on return on investment. Successful Corporations some how find a way to balance the two. Passing a solution from research to development is like transferring a sailor from one ship to another in a hurricane. The obvious solution is to make the research solution the production development solution. An ideal seldom achievable. Each must have a different balance between freedom and responsibility. Based on it's business model, each Corperation must find it's own RD model. FlexRadio is very unique in that it has a unique and free cadre of research and development folk to draw on. How far this model can be pushed, time will tell. The volunteers that like to work on the bleeding edge are like scouts. They like to live dangerously. Scouts are fascinated by Linux and Erlang. They are researchers. Explorers follow behind the scouts and clear the wilderness, put up cabins and occasionally fight indians. They are developers. These guys will convert Linux and Erlang to what ever provides the biggest ROI. Settlers are appliance customers and folks with profit and loss responsibility. If Flex is to be sustained as a viable (even if non profit) organization then it will need appliance customers. They are the bulk of a small market. If your business model is based on the 5000C style then details such as language and OS are hidden from the user, choices can be made on one set of parameters mainly performance and functionality with ease of maintenance/reliability thrown in. Do research in Linux and Erlang. Do development in Linux and Erlang. ( Don't forget if one day Erlang isn't supported the development must be done again.) If your business model is based on the 5000A style then you don't want language and OS to be a limiting factor for a customer making a purchase. Do research in Linux and Erlang. Do development in Functional C and Functional Windows or what ever M$ creates. If you business style is a mix of styles then the A style rules. Likely can't afford to carry two implementations. Because some of the flexers are scouts and explorers, you will have some customers who will always want to run a Linux/Erlang (research) version. This would be terrific. I think a very public involved research program suits Flexradio's SW world. As Flexradio succeeds, I'm not sure of the publics roll is in production SW development. My guess production SW development will have a paid professional core supported by volunteers. Well, best I can do Frank and probably too wordy. To paraphrase Mark Twain, If I'd only had more time... Flex of course will have to find it's own way. I only hope I can add a bit of my experience along the way. I for one, am sure Flex will succeed and will help any way I can. vy 73's Rob AB7CF On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:08:31 -0500 Frank Brickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will come sooner than later. Yes it's fun to play with Linux and Erlang. Yes L E will provide a lot of understanding for the inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. In the mean time please for the sake of us FlexRadio supports don't get confused about the end result. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors which might limit a budding market. Is there a reality-based point in here somewhere? 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/44526c7a/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Quoting KX5KW [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Sun 23 Dec 2007 06:19:09 PM PST: On Sunday 23 December 2007 04:24:57 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors ... That was funny - Thanks! Kent/KX5KW Ahem.. Functional VISUAL C (or maybe Visual Functional C)... Merry holidays, etc. 'rmk ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
to find it's own way. I only hope I can add a bit of my experience along the way. I for one, am sure Flex will succeed and will help any way I can. vy 73's Rob AB7CF On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:08:31 -0500 Frank Brickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will come sooner than later. Yes it's fun to play with Linux and Erlang. Yes L E will provide a lot of understanding for the inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. In the mean time please for the sake of us FlexRadio supports don't get confused about the end result. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors which might limit a budding market. Is there a reality-based point in here somewhere? 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/44526c7a/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
