Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual
Talk about egg on the face. From the install dates (date created): PowerSDR v2.1.5 installed under C:\Program Files\FlexRadio Systems\ and created the directories: Documentation, Licenses, and PowerSDR v2.1.5. Under Documentation are the files: changelog.txt, Flex-1500_Owners_Manual_v2.0.pdf, Flex-3000_Owners_Manual_v2.0.pdf, Flex-5000_Owners_Manual_v2.0.pdf, Flex-5000A-VU5K_QSG-v2.3.pdf, FlexControl Quick Start Guide v1.0.pdf, and FLEX-VU5K Manual Addendum v1.1.pdf. PowerSDR v2.6.4 Installed under C:\Program Files\FlexRadio Systems\ and created the directories: PowerSDR, and PowerSDR v2.6.4. Under PowerSDR are the directories: Documentation, Licenses, and Release Notes. Under the directory Documentation, are the files: changelog.txt, FLEX-1500_Owners_Manual_v2.0.pdf, FLEX-3000_Owners_Manual_v2.0.pdf, Flex-5000_Owners_Manual_v2.0.pdf, FlexControl Quick Start Guide v1.0.pdf, and FLEX-VU5K Manual Addendum v1.1.pdf. The control numbers at the bottom of the page are not necessarily the same! F1.5K-M2.0/5 vs. F1.5K-M2 which I found out when I tried to reprint some pages that messed up in the printer and I pulled in the wrong file. My pages didn't match until I got the right file. I bought my Flex-1500, my first ham radio, in September 2011. I really haven't used it, only listened through the spectrum a few times, the reason being, I only have solar power and not much of that. My netbook pulls about 10 watts, but the screen size is only 1024 x 600 and chops off the last half dozen lines of the PowerSDR display. I could plug in an external monitor, but that is another 30 watts I really don't have. When I made a suggestion to make the display fit in a 1024 x 600 display, the answer was: Ain't gonna' happen! The project then became, write your own program! I found a three foot or so high stack of Microsoft .Net books at the thrift store and bought them for about $60. After making it part way through one of the books, I decided there was probably a better way than trying to copy PowerSDR with it's use of proprietary device drivers. For a SDR radio, I was totally disappointed to find one board out of the two almost totally dedicated to coils (tank circuits) and relays, the only other part on the board was the 5 watt xmit amplifier. But hay, it's a radio that works so accept it! Define the problem and hardware variables (limits): The RF section is roughly 0 - 56 MHz (0 - 60 MHz). The RF - AF rec filter, (QSD) 2.4 Hz high pass filter, 28 kHz low pass filter. The AF - RF xmit filter, (QSE) 28 kHz low pass filter, 67 Hz high pass filter. USB Port, Maximum devices: 127. Up to 127 devices, including hub devices if present, may be connected to a single host controller. A USB device can have up to 32 endpoints. USB 1.1 Full speed: 12 Mbits/s data rate including overhead. USB 2.0 High speed: 480 Mbits/s data rate including overhead (40 times faster). USB 1.x and 2.0 communication is half-duplex, with direction controlled by the host. Linux is designed from the ground up as a multi-user, multi-process operating system (OS). Use generic device drivers available in the OS. (Automatic Plug-and-Play operation). If I do a good job of defining the problem, then breaking the problem down into functions (modules), and then writing efficient code for the functions, San spaghetti code, I should be able to run multiple Flex-1500's on my netbook. If I build the radios as web sites (web pages) and use an efficient web server, I should be able to interact with the radios over the 10/100 Mbits/s TCP/IP port on the netbook. It will be interesting to see how many radios it will take to get the netbook computer to saturation. I may have to learn a couple more programming languages, but isn't it all about learning? In the end, don't just complain, do something! Frank Anderson, AC0XL faf...@sisna.com On 5/24/2013 8:20 PM, N1naz wrote: All well and good for the experienced SDR operator, who over the years has Kept up with and as you say updated their manuals, but New operators trying to make heads or tails of things is another matter. If you are going to bring out a product that is going to be, by nature, constantly changing then you have to deal with updating your user manuals as new features are added and old ones disappear. Or at minimum release addendums. George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ . ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage:
Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual
Everyone has a personal opinion regarding manuals. That is fine except where you think your personal preference trumps my needs. I too would like a complete and up to date manual and PDF or similar is fine as I have a printer. I would accept a hypertext version even though it precludes traditional printed copies. After all if I don't have a computer to read the manual on I won't be running a Flex radio. I want a manual not a license to participate in a scavenger hunt trying to find a tidbit here or there. I'm not trying to dictate to anyone what they do with information, how they get it or how they store/access it but a complete manual with TOC, chapters, etc. is not a bad thing, traditional or hypertext. I have managed software developments and I know that the developers prefer slinging code over documenting. More functionality is nice but if the users can't employ it, then so what. Here I sit with one of the niftiest products in the world, the true cat's meow of ham radios and I have to participate in an ongoing scavenger hunt for what should be in the basic documentation. I'm happy for the individuals who have the time to devote to find out how to use this technological marvel and I do appreciate it when they share their knowledge but if a proper manual were available mere mortals could employ any features available without need to sit at the feet of the priesthood. I realize we are beating a dead horse and units of output will not be in proportion to units of input. Ask for what you will but The Team is off chasing the new shiny ball and what was the new shiny ball is now a step child. History will repeat itself. Corporate philosophy/culture, even in a young company, is a powerful influence and the most likely outcome as regards the manual for the new shiny ball is a repeat of the situation we have now. Functionality will easily win out over documentation in the contest for attention. Sales are effected much more strongly by nifty features than by the quality of the documentation. Wait a year and history will repeat itself. There will be posts bemoaning the lack of sufficient documentation to employ the whoopee capabilities of the 6K series. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong but don't suspect to receive even mild titillation. Regarding the idea that the concept of centralized and complete documentation is obsolete... BOVINE EXCREMENT!!! If you think the maintainers and operators of the nation's warfighting capability are reduced to web searches and burning incense at the shrine of self appointed gurus you are out of touch with reality. Many manuals are electronic now but still complete. You don't maintain a joint strike fighter, or even a predator drone by looking around the internet to find bits of data to put in your iPad.RANT: MODE=OFF Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Bill Tynan Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:06 PM To: John Kramer ; Gedas Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must be better at storing things than Windows with Outlook Express and/or Windows Live Mail. I lost all of the many files I had stored. I don't even know what the last OSCAR number issued was, and I am in charge of issuing OSCAR numbers. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO -- From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: Gedas w8...@mchsi.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about my radio to make it even more enjoyable. Many times I am forced to go hunting for tips tidbits using forums, online groups, over-the-air nets in the hopes of getting an answer. The process can take days or even weeks ! And even then the info found is usually not directly from Flex so who knows if it is right. What's wrong with putting it in hard writing once in a while ? An updated manual is not asking for too much IMO
Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual
I believe most of the 5K manual was compiled by a contributor AB1DO about six years ago. They gave him a plaque in 2007. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual
This is the best comment I have seen posted here in a long time. Reminds me of the joke, a woman is drowning a democrat throws a life preserver but runs off to save someone else before pulling her in but a Republican throws a life preserver but not quite far enough and makes her swim for it. This manual business is similar, before sending out a manual, off they go to build the next great product. --- On Mon, 5/27/13, Patrick Greenlee patric...@windstream.net wrote: Everyone has a personal opinion regarding manuals. That is fine except where you think your personal preference trumps my needs. I too would like a complete and up to date manual and PDF or similar is fine as I have a printer. I would accept a hypertext version even though it precludes traditional printed copies. After all if I don't have a computer to read the manual on I won't be running a Flex radio. I want a manual not a license to participate in a scavenger hunt trying to find a tidbit here or there. I'm not trying to dictate to anyone what they do with information, how they get it or how they store/access it but a complete manual with TOC, chapters, etc. is not a bad thing, traditional or hypertext. I have managed software developments and I know that the developers prefer slinging code over documenting. More functionality is nice but if the users can't employ it, then so what. Here I sit with one of the niftiest products in the world, the true cat's meow of ham radios and I have to participate in an ongoing scavenger hunt for what should be in the basic documentation. I'm happy for the individuals who have the time to devote to find out how to use this technological marvel and I do appreciate it when they share their knowledge but if a proper manual were available mere mortals could employ any features available without need to sit at the feet of the priesthood. I realize we are beating a dead horse and units of output will not be in proportion to units of input. Ask for what you will but The Team is off chasing the new shiny ball and what was the new shiny ball is now a step child. History will repeat itself. Corporate philosophy/culture, even in a young company, is a powerful influence and the most likely outcome as regards the manual for the new shiny ball is a repeat of the situation we have now. Functionality will easily win out over documentation in the contest for attention. Sales are effected much more strongly by nifty features than by the quality of the documentation. Wait a year and history will repeat itself. There will be posts bemoaning the lack of sufficient documentation to employ the whoopee capabilities of the 6K series. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong but don't suspect to receive even mild titillation. Regarding the idea that the concept of centralized and complete documentation is obsolete... BOVINE EXCREMENT!!! If you think the maintainers and operators of the nation's warfighting capability are reduced to web searches and burning incense at the shrine of self appointed gurus you are out of touch with reality. Many manuals are electronic now but still complete. You don't maintain a joint strike fighter, or even a predator drone by looking around the internet to find bits of data to put in your iPad. RANT: MODE=OFF Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Bill Tynan Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:06 PM To: John Kramer ; Gedas Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must be better at storing things than Windows with Outlook Express and/or Windows Live Mail. I lost all of the many files I had stored. I don't even know what the last OSCAR number issued was, and I am in charge of issuing OSCAR numbers. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO -- From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: Gedas w8...@mchsi.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my
Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual
Has anyone considered requesting the source file and updating the manual as a group project? On Monday, May 27, 2013, Patrick Greenlee wrote: Everyone has a personal opinion regarding manuals. That is fine except where you think your personal preference trumps my needs. I too would like a complete and up to date manual and PDF or similar is fine as I have a printer. I would accept a hypertext version even though it precludes traditional printed copies. After all if I don't have a computer to read the manual on I won't be running a Flex radio. I want a manual not a license to participate in a scavenger hunt trying to find a tidbit here or there. I'm not trying to dictate to anyone what they do with information, how they get it or how they store/access it but a complete manual with TOC, chapters, etc. is not a bad thing, traditional or hypertext. I have managed software developments and I know that the developers prefer slinging code over documenting. More functionality is nice but if the users can't employ it, then so what. Here I sit with one of the niftiest products in the world, the true cat's meow of ham radios and I have to participate in an ongoing scavenger hunt for what should be in the basic documentation. I'm happy for the individuals who have the time to devote to find out how to use this technological marvel and I do appreciate it when they share their knowledge but if a proper manual were available mere mortals could employ any features available without need to sit at the feet of the priesthood. I realize we are beating a dead horse and units of output will not be in proportion to units of input. Ask for what you will but The Team is off chasing the new shiny ball and what was the new shiny ball is now a step child. History will repeat itself. Corporate philosophy/culture, even in a young company, is a powerful influence and the most likely outcome as regards the manual for the new shiny ball is a repeat of the situation we have now. Functionality will easily win out over documentation in the contest for attention. Sales are effected much more strongly by nifty features than by the quality of the documentation. Wait a year and history will repeat itself. There will be posts bemoaning the lack of sufficient documentation to employ the whoopee capabilities of the 6K series. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong but don't suspect to receive even mild titillation. Regarding the idea that the concept of centralized and complete documentation is obsolete... BOVINE EXCREMENT!!! If you think the maintainers and operators of the nation's warfighting capability are reduced to web searches and burning incense at the shrine of self appointed gurus you are out of touch with reality. Many manuals are electronic now but still complete. You don't maintain a joint strike fighter, or even a predator drone by looking around the internet to find bits of data to put in your iPad.RANT: MODE=OFF Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Bill Tynan Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:06 PM To: John Kramer ; Gedas Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must be better at storing things than Windows with Outlook Express and/or Windows Live Mail. I lost all of the many files I had stored. I don't even know what the last OSCAR number issued was, and I am in charge of issuing OSCAR numbers. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO --** From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: Gedas w8...@mchsi.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about my radio to make it even more enjoyable. Many times I am forced to go hunting for tips tidbits using forums, online groups, over-the-air nets in the hopes of getting an answer. The process can take days or even weeks ! And even then the info found
Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual
I plan to pick up one of the many Flex 5000A's that will become available when the new game changer radios are finally shipped. After reading these posts I am a bit concerned... From: patric...@windstream.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 07:53:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Everyone has a personal opinion regarding manuals. That is fine except where you think your personal preference trumps my needs. I too would like a complete and up to date manual and PDF or similar is fine as I have a printer. I would accept a hypertext version even though it precludes traditional printed copies. After all if I don't have a computer to read the manual on I won't be running a Flex radio. I want a manual not a license to participate in a scavenger hunt trying to find a tidbit here or there. I'm not trying to dictate to anyone what they do with information, how they get it or how they store/access it but a complete manual with TOC, chapters, etc. is not a bad thing, traditional or hypertext. I have managed software developments and I know that the developers prefer slinging code over documenting. More functionality is nice but if the users can't employ it, then so what. Here I sit with one of the niftiest products in the world, the true cat's meow of ham radios and I have to participate in an ongoing scavenger hunt for what should be in the basic documentation. I'm happy for the individuals who have the time to devote to find out how to use this technological marvel and I do appreciate it when they share their knowledge but if a proper manual were available mere mortals could employ any features available without need to sit at the feet of the priesthood. I realize we are beating a dead horse and units of output will not be in proportion to units of input. Ask for what you will but The Team is off chasing the new shiny ball and what was the new shiny ball is now a step child. History will repeat itself. Corporate philosophy/culture, even in a young company, is a powerful influence and the most likely outcome as regards the manual for the new shiny ball is a repeat of the situation we have now. Functionality will easily win out over documentation in the contest for attention. Sales are effected much more strongly by nifty features than by the quality of the documentation. Wait a year and history will repeat itself. There will be posts bemoaning the lack of sufficient documentation to employ the whoopee capabilities of the 6K series. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong but don't suspect to receive even mild titillation. Regarding the idea that the concept of centralized and complete documentation is obsolete... BOVINE EXCREMENT!!! If you think the maintainers and operators of the nation's warfighting capability are reduced to web searches and burning incense at the shrine of self appointed gurus you are out of touch with reality. Many manuals are electronic now but still complete. You don't maintain a joint strike fighter, or even a predator drone by looking around the internet to find bits of data to put in your iPad.RANT: MODE=OFF Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Bill Tynan Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:06 PM To: John Kramer ; Gedas Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must be better at storing things than Windows with Outlook Express and/or Windows Live Mail. I lost all of the many files I had stored. I don't even know what the last OSCAR number issued was, and I am in charge of issuing OSCAR numbers. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO -- From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: Gedas w8...@mchsi.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about
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On 5/27/2013 2:29 PM, Edwin Marzan wrote: I plan to pick up one of the many Flex 5000A's that will become available when the new game changer radios are finally shipped. After reading these posts I am a bit concerned... From: patric...@windstream.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 07:53:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Everyone has a personal opinion regarding manuals. That is fine except where you think your personal preference trumps my needs. I too would like a complete and up to date manual and PDF or similar is fine as I have a printer. I would accept a hypertext version even though it precludes traditional printed copies. After all if I don't have a computer to read the manual on I won't be running a Flex radio. I want a manual not a license to participate in a scavenger hunt trying to find a tidbit here or there. I'm not trying to dictate to anyone what they do with information, how they get it or how they store/access it but a complete manual with TOC, chapters, etc. is not a bad thing, traditional or hypertext. I have managed software developments and I know that the developers prefer slinging code over documenting. More functionality is nice but if the users can't employ it, then so what. Here I sit with one of the niftiest products in the world, the true cat's meow of ham radios and I have to participate in an ongoing scavenger hunt for what should be in the basic documentation. I'm happy for the individuals who have the time to devote to find out how to use this technological marvel and I do appreciate it when they share their knowledge but if a proper manual were available mere mortals could employ any features available without need to sit at the feet of the priesthood. I realize we are beating a dead horse and units of output will not be in proportion to units of input. Ask for what you will but The Team is off chasing the new shiny ball and what was the new shiny ball is now a step child. History will repeat itself. Corporate philosophy/culture, even in a young company, is a powerful influence and the most likely outcome as regards the manual for the new shiny ball is a repeat of the situation we have now. Functionality will easily win out over documentation in the contest for attention. Sales are effected much more strongly by nifty features than by the quality of the documentation. Wait a year and history will repeat itself. There will be posts bemoaning the lack of sufficient documentation to employ the whoopee capabilities of the 6K series. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong but don't suspect to receive even mild titillation. Regarding the idea that the concept of centralized and complete documentation is obsolete... BOVINE EXCREMENT!!! If you think the maintainers and operators of the nation's warfighting capability are reduced to web searches and burning incense at the shrine of self appointed gurus you are out of touch with reality. Many manuals are electronic now but still complete. You don't maintain a joint strike fighter, or even a predator drone by looking around the internet to find bits of data to put in your iPad.RANT: MODE=OFF Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Bill Tynan Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:06 PM To: John Kramer ; Gedas Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must be better at storing things than Windows with Outlook Express and/or Windows Live Mail. I lost all of the many files I had stored. I don't even know what the last OSCAR number issued was, and I am in charge of issuing OSCAR numbers. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO -- From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: Gedas w8...@mchsi.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about my radio to make it even more enjoyable. Many times I am forced to go hunting for tips tidbits using forums, online
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Not to worry re the F5K as there is a body of knowledge out there sufficient to do well with it. Pity it isn’t organized better but that is the reality. The F5K is, and will become more so, the best radio for the buck EVER thus far. Don’t expect the market to be saturated and prices to drop precipitously as there are lots of folks out there who will be happy to buy a used F5K. There are already a fair number of folks selling F5K in prep for delivery of their 6K. Prices are fair, just not super low like there was a reason to panic and dump the F5K’s as there isn’t. I know of people who are still waiting for color TV to be perfected before they buy one. Folks of that ilk will likely still be waiting when the next new shiny ball beyond the 6K is announced. There is no final end to improvements. At some point the smart thing to do is to buy into the technology you want. Or if you want wait till the 8K comes out and the 7K prices fall. Patrick AF5CK From: Edwin Marzan Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:29 PM To: Patrick Greenlee ; flexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Owners Manual I plan to pick up one of the many Flex 5000A's that will become available when the new game changer radios are finally shipped. After reading these posts I am a bit concerned... From: patric...@windstream.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 07:53:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Everyone has a personal opinion regarding manuals. That is fine except where you think your personal preference trumps my needs. I too would like a complete and up to date manual and PDF or similar is fine as I have a printer. I would accept a hypertext version even though it precludes traditional printed copies. After all if I don't have a computer to read the manual on I won't be running a Flex radio. I want a manual not a license to participate in a scavenger hunt trying to find a tidbit here or there. I'm not trying to dictate to anyone what they do with information, how they get it or how they store/access it but a complete manual with TOC, chapters, etc. is not a bad thing, traditional or hypertext. I have managed software developments and I know that the developers prefer slinging code over documenting. More functionality is nice but if the users can't employ it, then so what. Here I sit with one of the niftiest products in the world, the true cat's meow of ham radios and I have to participate in an ongoing scavenger hunt for what should be in the basic documentation. I'm happy for the individuals who have the time to devote to find out how to use this technological marvel and I do appreciate it when they share their knowledge but if a proper manual were available mere mortals could employ any features available without need to sit at the feet of the priesthood. I realize we are beating a dead horse and units of output will not be in proportion to units of input. Ask for what you will but The Team is off chasing the new shiny ball and what was the new shiny ball is now a step child. History will repeat itself. Corporate philosophy/culture, even in a young company, is a powerful influence and the most likely outcome as regards the manual for the new shiny ball is a repeat of the situation we have now. Functionality will easily win out over documentation in the contest for attention. Sales are effected much more strongly by nifty features than by the quality of the documentation. Wait a year and history will repeat itself. There will be posts bemoaning the lack of sufficient documentation to employ the whoopee capabilities of the 6K series. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong but don't suspect to receive even mild titillation. Regarding the idea that the concept of centralized and complete documentation is obsolete... BOVINE EXCREMENT!!! If you think the maintainers and operators of the nation's warfighting capability are reduced to web searches and burning incense at the shrine of self appointed gurus you are out of touch with reality. Many manuals are electronic now but still complete. You don't maintain a joint strike fighter, or even a predator drone by looking around the internet to find bits of data to put in your iPad. RANT: MODE=OFF Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Bill Tynan Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:06 PM To: John Kramer ; Gedas Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must be better at storing things than Windows with Outlook Express and/or Windows Live Mail. I lost all of the many files I had stored. I don't even know what the last OSCAR number issued was, and I am in charge of issuing OSCAR numbers. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO -- From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: Gedas w8
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If you own a digital camera, and you've installed firmware updates, has Canon, Nikon or Olympus rewritten the owners manual? They don't. It just seems that since Flex announced that the 5k has been discontinued, some need something to complain about. They need to get over it and discover life beyond Flex. On Monday, May 27, 2013, Patrick Greenlee wrote: Not to worry re the F5K as there is a body of knowledge out there sufficient to do well with it. Pity it isn’t organized better but that is the reality. The F5K is, and will become more so, the best radio for the buck EVER thus far. Don’t expect the market to be saturated and prices to drop precipitously as there are lots of folks out there who will be happy to buy a used F5K. There are already a fair number of folks selling F5K in prep for delivery of their 6K. Prices are fair, just not super low like there was a reason to panic and dump the F5K’s as there isn’t. I know of people who are still waiting for color TV to be perfected before they buy one. Folks of that ilk will likely still be waiting when the next new shiny ball beyond the 6K is announced. There is no final end to improvements. At some point the smart thing to do is to buy into the technology you want. Or if you want wait till the 8K comes out and the 7K prices fall. Patrick AF5CK From: Edwin Marzan Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:29 PM To: Patrick Greenlee ; flexRadio@flex-radio.biz javascript:; Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Owners Manual I plan to pick up one of the many Flex 5000A's that will become available when the new game changer radios are finally shipped. After reading these posts I am a bit concerned... From: patric...@windstream.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 07:53:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Everyone has a personal opinion regarding manuals. That is fine except where you think your personal preference trumps my needs. I too would like a complete and up to date manual and PDF or similar is fine as I have a printer. I would accept a hypertext version even though it precludes traditional printed copies. After all if I don't have a computer to read the manual on I won't be running a Flex radio. I want a manual not a license to participate in a scavenger hunt trying to find a tidbit here or there. I'm not trying to dictate to anyone what they do with information, how they get it or how they store/access it but a complete manual with TOC, chapters, etc. is not a bad thing, traditional or hypertext. I have managed software developments and I know that the developers prefer slinging code over documenting. More functionality is nice but if the users can't employ it, then so what. Here I sit with one of the niftiest products in the world, the true cat's meow of ham radios and I have to participate in an ongoing scavenger hunt for what should be in the basic documentation. I'm happy for the individuals who have the time to devote to find out how to use this technological marvel and I do appreciate it when they share their knowledge but if a proper manual were available mere mortals could employ any features available without need to sit at the feet of the priesthood. I realize we are beating a dead horse and units of output will not be in proportion to units of input. Ask for what you will but The Team is off chasing the new shiny ball and what was the new shiny ball is now a step child. History will repeat itself. Corporate philosophy/culture, even in a young company, is a powerful influence and the most likely outcome as regards the manual for the new shiny ball is a repeat of the situation we have now. Functionality will easily win out over documentation in the contest for attention. Sales are effected much more strongly by nifty features than by the quality of the documentation. Wait a year and history will repeat itself. There will be posts bemoaning the lack of sufficient documentation to employ the whoopee capabilities of the 6K series. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong but don't suspect to receive even mild titillation. Regarding the idea that the concept of centralized and complete documentation is obsolete... BOVINE EXCREMENT!!! If you think the maintainers and operators of the nation's warfighting capability are reduced to web searches and burning incense at the shrine of self appointed gurus you are out of touch with reality. Many manuals are electronic now but still complete. You don't maintain a joint strike fighter, or even a predator drone by looking around the internet to find bits of data to put in your iPad. RANT: MODE=OFF Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Bill Tynan Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:06 PM To: John Kramer ; Gedas Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must
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Actually, based on the activity I've seen here at my location, there are still many hams that prefer printed documentation over only electronic versions. The death (or obsolescent) of printed documentation seems highly exaggerated. I suspect the move to electronic documentation by many manufacturers over the last several years has been to save on the cost of printed documents which impacts their bottom line. If the customer wants a printed document, let the customer bear the printing cost. Even I find it less appealing to crawl around the web or online forums/reflectors just to find an answer to something which is not covered in a particular manual of a product when I want to get something up and running quickly. And, generally if I find an answer, there are generally multiple solutions presented which then requires me to figure out which one(s) might be the way to go. In regards to Flex, with each new release of PowerSDR I always print out the Release Notes (which includes new features and improvements over a previous release) and add them to my Flex folder. The various Flex white papers and member discussions on PowerSDR settings for particular activities, modes, etc. are printed and added to the folder. The folder gets bigger with each passing day. Pete, WA2CWA http://www.manualman.com On Sat, 25 May 2013 13:21:11 -0400 Mickey Baker fishflor...@gmail.com writes: There are a number of categories of documentation. It seems that this discussion is around user documentation. Lots of hams like documentation with a nice thud factor - the noise it makes when you drop it on a desk. I've seen a suggestion that the user's guide be printed out and then updated. I'm sorry guys, but that's an artifact of the last century and there's no need for it anymore. The binder, index and table of contents may be comfortable to you, but the reality is that an online search has made them obsolete! The Manual rarely exists for rapidly changing products. (Have you used Microsoft Office lately?) There are web site searches where you can find the details you need. There are Quick Start guides that show the major plug things here features. Quick start, use the radio and software, and you'll find out what you need to know pretty quickly. The best documentation that exists for PowerSDR is in the release notes and here, on this list and on Knowledge Base articles on the FlexRadio help site. This is a searchable body of work and, generally, almost anything that you'd want to know is covered here. If it's not, FRS employs a few really good people to fill in the knowledge gaps - which they do, in writing here. Details, like making Ham Radio Deluxe or fldigi, CWSkimmer work are available. If not, ask in this forum and the answer will be preserved here for all. I haven't opened the product manuals a half dozen times since I've owned FlexRadio products - over 3 years. I once heard a wise software developer say that the user interface and direct on-screen feedback to the user is the most important documentation and to beware of software that comes with a thick book. We are, by the definition of ham radio, a technical group. PowerSDR changes quite frequently. We can't expect a re-write of the manual every minor version. That is what release notes are for! RTFRN! Subjectively, I believe that PowerSDR is straightforward and very easy to figure out. Each new feature in each progressive release is identified in the release notes. On-screen features are relatively simple to understand. Information on improving FireWire performance is on this list and on the support site. Learn to use general searches, smart searches and site searches. This will save you time, get you up to date information and save room on your desk or bookshelf. And, more importantly, let FlexRadio Systems do what they do best - deliver spectacular, leading edge products that provide a platform for use to use in our hobby in a manner that is Flexible. Who needs everything in one book? We have this list and the support site! Now, we need an agreement that Tim and Dudley will never ride in the same car together... 73, Mickey N4MB ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about my radio to make it even more enjoyable. Many times I am forced to go hunting for tips tidbits using forums, online groups, over-the-air nets in the hopes of getting an answer. The process can take days or even weeks ! And even then the info found is usually not directly from Flex so who knows if it is right. What's wrong with putting it in hard writing once in a while ? An updated manual is not asking for too much IMO, esp considering the price of the product. I make an effort to look around for answers, but like many, I am forced to give up after some time and just forget about it. I love my Flex but not having a good reference document is the greatest shortcoming of my radio. Gedas, W8BYA Gallery at http://gedas.cc Light travels faster than sound.. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Original Message - From: N1naz n1...@comcast.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Case in point, if you open up Power SDR, then Setup, then DSP. Under the Options tab is “Leak” What does “Leak” do?? There is no explanation in the docs that explain in detail what it does! What do I have to spend time searching through update docs and forums to find out? This was obviously added after the docs where published, what would it have taken to add this to the docs and republish? Yes after playing around with it for a few hours and listening you may figure it out, but wouldn’t it have been a time saver to know before you adjusted this what it actually did! There are other cases like this. I’m just saying that the Flex radios are the best thing out there right now (IMO), Why fall short with the docs? George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about my radio to make it even more enjoyable. Many times I am forced to go hunting for tips tidbits using forums, online groups, over-the-air nets in the hopes of getting an answer. The process can take days or even weeks ! And even then the info found is usually not directly from Flex so who knows if it is right. What's wrong with putting it in hard writing once in a while ? An updated manual is not asking for too much IMO, esp considering the price of the product. I make an effort to look around for answers, but like many, I am forced to give up after some time and just forget about it. I love my Flex but not having a good reference document is the greatest shortcoming of my radio. Gedas, W8BYA Gallery at http://gedas.cc Light travels faster than sound.. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Original Message - From: N1naz n1...@comcast.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Case in point, if you open up Power SDR, then Setup, then DSP. Under the Options tab is “Leak” What does “Leak” do?? There is no explanation in the docs that explain in detail what it does! What do I have to spend time searching through update docs and forums to find out? This was obviously added after the docs where published, what would it have taken to add this to the docs and republish? Yes after playing around with it for a few hours and listening you may figure it out, but wouldn’t it have been a time saver to know before you adjusted this what it actually did! There are other cases like this. I’m just saying that the Flex radios are the best thing out there right now (IMO), Why fall short with the docs? George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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I should not have made it sound like I had to have a hard paper copyI would appreciate a PDF just as much. I am not opposed to printing my own from a PDF if it would save Flex some money and make it a reality. Gedas, W8BYA Gallery at http://gedas.cc Light travels faster than sound.. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Original Message - From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com To: Gedas w8...@mchsi.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about my radio to make it even more enjoyable. Many times I am forced to go hunting for tips tidbits using forums, online groups, over-the-air nets in the hopes of getting an answer. The process can take days or even weeks ! And even then the info found is usually not directly from Flex so who knows if it is right. What's wrong with putting it in hard writing once in a while ? An updated manual is not asking for too much IMO, esp considering the price of the product. I make an effort to look around for answers, but like many, I am forced to give up after some time and just forget about it. I love my Flex but not having a good reference document is the greatest shortcoming of my radio. Gedas, W8BYA Gallery at http://gedas.cc Light travels faster than sound.. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Original Message - From: N1naz n1...@comcast.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Case in point, if you open up Power SDR, then Setup, then DSP. Under the Options tab is “Leak” What does “Leak” do?? There is no explanation in the docs that explain in detail what it does! What do I have to spend time searching through update docs and forums to find out? This was obviously added after the docs where published, what would it have taken to add this to the docs and republish? Yes after playing around with it for a few hours and listening you may figure it out, but wouldn’t it have been a time saver to know before you adjusted this what it actually did! There are other cases like this. I’m just saying that the Flex radios are the best thing out there right now (IMO), Why fall short with the docs? George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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John: I'm sure that Goodreader and Apple must be better at storing things than Windows with Outlook Express and/or Windows Live Mail. I lost all of the many files I had stored. I don't even know what the last OSCAR number issued was, and I am in charge of issuing OSCAR numbers. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO -- From: John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: Gedas w8...@mchsi.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual With the introduction of the Apple iPad tablet, I now have ALL my manuals/service manuals etc all on my tablet. There is an app called Goodreader for the iPad. Make files in Goodreader for the various manufacturers, and download your manuals off the internet and into your iPad. Generally speaking, my iPad is always with me wherever I go, so ALL my manuals including VHF/UHF HT, mobile, HF, amplifiers, ATU, noise cancelling units etc etc are all on there, and easy and quick to get to. I also have lots of other ham apps on the tablet, so it is really convenient to have everything on there and take it with me. All new manuals that arrive in the boxes, stay untouched and go into my filing cabinet, and remain in new condition - something that buyers appreciate if I sell the item one day 73 John, ZS5J On 26 May 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gedas w8...@mchsi.com wrote: George gets a Gold star IMO ! Exactly my thoughts. There are tons of things I wish I knew more about my radio to make it even more enjoyable. Many times I am forced to go hunting for tips tidbits using forums, online groups, over-the-air nets in the hopes of getting an answer. The process can take days or even weeks ! And even then the info found is usually not directly from Flex so who knows if it is right. What's wrong with putting it in hard writing once in a while ? An updated manual is not asking for too much IMO, esp considering the price of the product. I make an effort to look around for answers, but like many, I am forced to give up after some time and just forget about it. I love my Flex but not having a good reference document is the greatest shortcoming of my radio. Gedas, W8BYA Gallery at http://gedas.cc Light travels faster than sound.. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Original Message - From: N1naz n1...@comcast.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Case in point, if you open up Power SDR, then Setup, then DSP. Under the Options tab is “Leak” What does “Leak” do?? There is no explanation in the docs that explain in detail what it does! What do I have to spend time searching through update docs and forums to find out? This was obviously added after the docs where published, what would it have taken to add this to the docs and republish? Yes after playing around with it for a few hours and listening you may figure it out, but wouldn’t it have been a time saver to know before you adjusted this what it actually did! There are other cases like this. I’m just saying that the Flex radios are the best thing out there right now (IMO), Why fall short with the docs? George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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the software changes a LOT faster than the hardwareyou read the update notes... it just gets better and betteri've never seen an owners manual that was NOT 'beta'... but it doesn't matter...marvelous rigs, these Flex's..all, IMHO.73 w5xz, dan --- On Sat, 5/25/13, N1naz n1...@comcast.net wrote: From: N1naz n1...@comcast.net Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 2:20 AM All well and good for the experienced SDR operator, who over the years has Kept up with and as you say updated their manuals, but New operators trying to make heads or tails of things is another matter. If you are going to bring out a product that is going to be, by nature, constantly changing then you have to deal with updating your user manuals as new features are added and old ones disappear. Or at minimum release addendums. George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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I think George has a valid concern. It is nice to have up to date documentation in a consolidated, official publication, but here is the problem. Software improvements have been made on a regular basis, fortunately, for us Flexers, but documentation in the form of a Users Manual has taken a back seat because the resources they have are limited. I am guessing that a decision was made to spend the money on improving the SDR software, rather than on technical writing, which has always lagged behind the equipment. If we were to buy a car, we would expect the users manual to be up to date, but the time developing the car is much longer than software development. And by the way, how many people have actually read their car manual? Still, it would be less frustrating to have an up to date manual, but I have learned to adapt to this, seriously. Keep in mind, we are hams, and this is a hobby. We should be resourceful, and we are dealing with cutting edge software and equipment, and we may have to dig a bit. We do not have consumer equipment. If you want that, we can buy legacy radios like Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood. They have up to date manuals, but their equipment is dated. We could measure how great marvelous our equipment is by how many knobs we have, marvel by how much real estate it takes up on our desk, and how much it weighs. On May 24, 2013, at 9:29 PM, dan edwards w...@att.net wrote: the software changes a LOT faster than the hardwareyou read the update notes... it just gets better and betteri've never seen an owners manual that was NOT 'beta'... but it doesn't matter...marvelous rigs, these Flex's..all, IMHO.73 w5xz, dan --- On Sat, 5/25/13, N1naz n1...@comcast.net wrote: From: N1naz n1...@comcast.net Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 2:20 AM All well and good for the experienced SDR operator, who over the years has Kept up with and as you say updated their manuals, but New operators trying to make heads or tails of things is another matter. If you are going to bring out a product that is going to be, by nature, constantly changing then you have to deal with updating your user manuals as new features are added and old ones disappear. Or at minimum release addendums. George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Any software house has a documentation team. Sadly, they do tend to run behind. What is likely happening is that they don't have any one that owns the documentation to keep it up to date. To FRS ... time to get caught up please on the manuals, don't you think? Mike va3mw On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM, William Owens wtowe...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I think George has a valid concern. It is nice to have up to date documentation in a consolidated, official publication, but here is the problem. Software improvements have been made on a regular basis, fortunately, for us Flexers, but documentation in the form of a Users Manual has taken a back seat because the resources they have are limited. I am guessing that a decision was made to spend the money on improving the SDR software, rather than on technical writing, which has always lagged behind the equipment. If we were to buy a car, we would expect the users manual to be up to date, but the time developing the car is much longer than software development. And by the way, how many people have actually read their car manual? Still, it would be less frustrating to have an up to date manual, but I have learned to adapt to this, seriously. Keep in mind, we are hams, and this is a hobby. We should be resourceful, and we are dealing with cutting edge software and equipment, and we may have to dig a bit. We do not have consumer equipment. If you want that, we can buy legacy radios like Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood. They have up to date manuals, but their equipment is dated. We could measure how great marvelous our equipment is by how many knobs we have, marvel by how much real estate it takes up on our desk, and how much it weighs. On May 24, 2013, at 9:29 PM, dan edwards w...@att.net wrote: the software changes a LOT faster than the hardwareyou read the update notes... it just gets better and betteri've never seen an owners manual that was NOT 'beta'... but it doesn't matter...marvelous rigs, these Flex's..all, IMHO.73 w5xz, dan --- On Sat, 5/25/13, N1naz n1...@comcast.net wrote: From: N1naz n1...@comcast.net Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 2:20 AM All well and good for the experienced SDR operator, who over the years has Kept up with and as you say updated their manuals, but New operators trying to make heads or tails of things is another matter. If you are going to bring out a product that is going to be, by nature, constantly changing then you have to deal with updating your user manuals as new features are added and old ones disappear. Or at minimum release addendums. George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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There are a number of categories of documentation. It seems that this discussion is around user documentation. Lots of hams like documentation with a nice thud factor - the noise it makes when you drop it on a desk. I've seen a suggestion that the user's guide be printed out and then updated. I'm sorry guys, but that's an artifact of the last century and there's no need for it anymore. The binder, index and table of contents may be comfortable to you, but the reality is that an online search has made them obsolete! The Manual rarely exists for rapidly changing products. (Have you used Microsoft Office lately?) There are web site searches where you can find the details you need. There are Quick Start guides that show the major plug things here features. Quick start, use the radio and software, and you'll find out what you need to know pretty quickly. The best documentation that exists for PowerSDR is in the release notes and here, on this list and on Knowledge Base articles on the FlexRadio help site. This is a searchable body of work and, generally, almost anything that you'd want to know is covered here. If it's not, FRS employs a few really good people to fill in the knowledge gaps - which they do, in writing here. Details, like making Ham Radio Deluxe or fldigi, CWSkimmer work are available. If not, ask in this forum and the answer will be preserved here for all. I haven't opened the product manuals a half dozen times since I've owned FlexRadio products - over 3 years. I once heard a wise software developer say that the user interface and direct on-screen feedback to the user is the most important documentation and to beware of software that comes with a thick book. We are, by the definition of ham radio, a technical group. PowerSDR changes quite frequently. We can't expect a re-write of the manual every minor version. That is what release notes are for! RTFRN! Subjectively, I believe that PowerSDR is straightforward and very easy to figure out. Each new feature in each progressive release is identified in the release notes. On-screen features are relatively simple to understand. Information on improving FireWire performance is on this list and on the support site. Learn to use general searches, smart searches and site searches. This will save you time, get you up to date information and save room on your desk or bookshelf. And, more importantly, let FlexRadio Systems do what they do best - deliver spectacular, leading edge products that provide a platform for use to use in our hobby in a manner that is Flexible. Who needs everything in one book? We have this list and the support site! Now, we need an agreement that Tim and Dudley will never ride in the same car together... 73, Mickey N4MB (I've owned a FLEX 1500 and 5000A... waiting patiently on my 6500. I don't care if it comes with a manual or not, figuring this stuff out is part of the fun of ham radio!) On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.netwrote: Any software house has a documentation team. Sadly, they do tend to run behind. What is likely happening is that they don't have any one that owns the documentation to keep it up to date. To FRS ... time to get caught up please on the manuals, don't you think? Mike va3mw On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM, William Owens wtowe...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I think George has a valid concern. It is nice to have up to date documentation in a consolidated, official publication, but here is the problem. Software improvements have been made on a regular basis, fortunately, for us Flexers, but documentation in the form of a Users Manual has taken a back seat because the resources they have are limited. I am guessing that a decision was made to spend the money on improving the SDR software, rather than on technical writing, which has always lagged behind the equipment. If we were to buy a car, we would expect the users manual to be up to date, but the time developing the car is much longer than software development. And by the way, how many people have actually read their car manual? Still, it would be less frustrating to have an up to date manual, but I have learned to adapt to this, seriously. Keep in mind, we are hams, and this is a hobby. We should be resourceful, and we are dealing with cutting edge software and equipment, and we may have to dig a bit. We do not have consumer equipment. If you want that, we can buy legacy radios like Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood. They have up to date manuals, but their equipment is dated. We could measure how great marvelous our equipment is by how many knobs we have, marvel by how much real estate it takes up on our desk, and how much it weighs. On May 24, 2013, at 9:29 PM, dan edwards w...@att.net wrote: the software changes a LOT faster than the hardwareyou read the update notes... it just gets better and betteri've never seen an owners
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Many don't bother with RTFM, but want someone to re-write the Quick-Start. If someone can't be bothered with reading the quick start section, do you really think they can read the re-write? 73 ES DX, Gary -- AB9M -Original Message- From: Mickey Baker Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:21 PM To: Michael Walker Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz ; N1naz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual There are a number of categories of documentation. It seems that this discussion is around user documentation. Lots of hams like documentation with a nice thud factor - the noise it makes when you drop it on a desk. I've seen a suggestion that the user's guide be printed out and then updated. I'm sorry guys, but that's an artifact of the last century and there's no need for it anymore. The binder, index and table of contents may be comfortable to you, but the reality is that an online search has made them obsolete! The Manual rarely exists for rapidly changing products. (Have you used Microsoft Office lately?) There are web site searches where you can find the details you need. There are Quick Start guides that show the major plug things here features. Quick start, use the radio and software, and you'll find out what you need to know pretty quickly. The best documentation that exists for PowerSDR is in the release notes and here, on this list and on Knowledge Base articles on the FlexRadio help site. This is a searchable body of work and, generally, almost anything that you'd want to know is covered here. If it's not, FRS employs a few really good people to fill in the knowledge gaps - which they do, in writing here. Details, like making Ham Radio Deluxe or fldigi, CWSkimmer work are available. If not, ask in this forum and the answer will be preserved here for all. I haven't opened the product manuals a half dozen times since I've owned FlexRadio products - over 3 years. I once heard a wise software developer say that the user interface and direct on-screen feedback to the user is the most important documentation and to beware of software that comes with a thick book. We are, by the definition of ham radio, a technical group. PowerSDR changes quite frequently. We can't expect a re-write of the manual every minor version. That is what release notes are for! RTFRN! Subjectively, I believe that PowerSDR is straightforward and very easy to figure out. Each new feature in each progressive release is identified in the release notes. On-screen features are relatively simple to understand. Information on improving FireWire performance is on this list and on the support site. Learn to use general searches, smart searches and site searches. This will save you time, get you up to date information and save room on your desk or bookshelf. And, more importantly, let FlexRadio Systems do what they do best - deliver spectacular, leading edge products that provide a platform for use to use in our hobby in a manner that is Flexible. Who needs everything in one book? We have this list and the support site! Now, we need an agreement that Tim and Dudley will never ride in the same car together... 73, Mickey N4MB (I've owned a FLEX 1500 and 5000A... waiting patiently on my 6500. I don't care if it comes with a manual or not, figuring this stuff out is part of the fun of ham radio!) On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.netwrote: Any software house has a documentation team. Sadly, they do tend to run behind. What is likely happening is that they don't have any one that owns the documentation to keep it up to date. To FRS ... time to get caught up please on the manuals, don't you think? Mike va3mw On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM, William Owens wtowe...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I think George has a valid concern. It is nice to have up to date documentation in a consolidated, official publication, but here is the problem. Software improvements have been made on a regular basis, fortunately, for us Flexers, but documentation in the form of a Users Manual has taken a back seat because the resources they have are limited. I am guessing that a decision was made to spend the money on improving the SDR software, rather than on technical writing, which has always lagged behind the equipment. If we were to buy a car, we would expect the users manual to be up to date, but the time developing the car is much longer than software development. And by the way, how many people have actually read their car manual? Still, it would be less frustrating to have an up to date manual, but I have learned to adapt to this, seriously. Keep in mind, we are hams, and this is a hobby. We should be resourceful, and we are dealing with cutting edge software and equipment, and we may have to dig a bit. We do not have consumer equipment. If you want that, we can buy legacy radios like Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood. They have up to date manuals, but their equipment is dated. We
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Actually, since 2008, I've been the printer and distributor of the Flex operating manuals (see page III of each document) and the Flex Radio 5000 service manual(restrictions apply). These are the high resolution full color laser printed operating manuals with several different types of binding available. Several still have my Dayton sale pricing; see on the home page: Manuals With Special Pricing. Pete, WA2CWA http://www.manualman.com On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:08:19 -0700 Ernest Garcia w...@hotmail.com writes: Start now, print the manuals and bring it up to date. The changes are available at the Flex Knowledge Base. They are NOT that many as you think. Make sure you print the Owner Manual version 2.0 and not the 1.18.0 (if you like I can give you that copy if you want me to mail it, it's spiral bound and mono chrome.) I will ship it USPS Priority mail at your cost. 73, Ernest DM13 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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I've learned to give everyone the benefit of doubt. If other people don't live up to my expectations, I examine my expectations before making a judgement. There are certainly people who would be better off with a self contained radio, but who's going to qualify whether they are or not? The only barrier to entry is cash. Mickey On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:34 PM, GARY HUBER glhu...@msn.com wrote: Many don't bother with RTFM, but want someone to re-write the Quick-Start. If someone can't be bothered with reading the quick start section, do you really think they can read the re-write? 73 ES DX, Gary -- AB9M -Original Message- From: Mickey Baker Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:21 PM To: Michael Walker Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz ; N1naz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual There are a number of categories of documentation. It seems that this discussion is around user documentation. Lots of hams like documentation with a nice thud factor - the noise it makes when you drop it on a desk. I've seen a suggestion that the user's guide be printed out and then updated. I'm sorry guys, but that's an artifact of the last century and there's no need for it anymore. The binder, index and table of contents may be comfortable to you, but the reality is that an online search has made them obsolete! The Manual rarely exists for rapidly changing products. (Have you used Microsoft Office lately?) There are web site searches where you can find the details you need. There are Quick Start guides that show the major plug things here features. Quick start, use the radio and software, and you'll find out what you need to know pretty quickly. The best documentation that exists for PowerSDR is in the release notes and here, on this list and on Knowledge Base articles on the FlexRadio help site. This is a searchable body of work and, generally, almost anything that you'd want to know is covered here. If it's not, FRS employs a few really good people to fill in the knowledge gaps - which they do, in writing here. Details, like making Ham Radio Deluxe or fldigi, CWSkimmer work are available. If not, ask in this forum and the answer will be preserved here for all. I haven't opened the product manuals a half dozen times since I've owned FlexRadio products - over 3 years. I once heard a wise software developer say that the user interface and direct on-screen feedback to the user is the most important documentation and to beware of software that comes with a thick book. We are, by the definition of ham radio, a technical group. PowerSDR changes quite frequently. We can't expect a re-write of the manual every minor version. That is what release notes are for! RTFRN! Subjectively, I believe that PowerSDR is straightforward and very easy to figure out. Each new feature in each progressive release is identified in the release notes. On-screen features are relatively simple to understand. Information on improving FireWire performance is on this list and on the support site. Learn to use general searches, smart searches and site searches. This will save you time, get you up to date information and save room on your desk or bookshelf. And, more importantly, let FlexRadio Systems do what they do best - deliver spectacular, leading edge products that provide a platform for use to use in our hobby in a manner that is Flexible. Who needs everything in one book? We have this list and the support site! Now, we need an agreement that Tim and Dudley will never ride in the same car together... 73, Mickey N4MB (I've owned a FLEX 1500 and 5000A... waiting patiently on my 6500. I don't care if it comes with a manual or not, figuring this stuff out is part of the fun of ham radio!) On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote: Any software house has a documentation team. Sadly, they do tend to run behind. What is likely happening is that they don't have any one that owns the documentation to keep it up to date. To FRS ... time to get caught up please on the manuals, don't you think? Mike va3mw On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM, William Owens wtowe...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I think George has a valid concern. It is nice to have up to date documentation in a consolidated, official publication, but here is the problem. Software improvements have been made on a regular basis, fortunately, for us Flexers, but documentation in the form of a Users Manual has taken a back seat because the resources they have are limited. I am guessing that a decision was made to spend the money on improving the SDR software, rather than on technical writing, which has always lagged behind the equipment. If we were to buy a car, we would expect the users manual to be up to date, but the time developing the car is much longer than software development. And by the way, how many people have actually read their car
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Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood sometimes go through several iterations of their operating manuals before the model is discontinued. They, as far as I know, never notify the world that a specific operating manual or service manual has been updated. The only way for the owner to know is to compare the issue number and/or date stamp on their manual for a more recent issue number or date stamp of the manual that might be posted on their spefic site or by checking with manufacturer's parts department. Pete, WA2CWA http://www.manualman.com On Sat, 25 May 2013 10:54:42 -0500 William Owens wtowe...@sbcglobal.net writes: Keep in mind, we are hams, and this is a hobby. We should be resourceful, and we are dealing with cutting edge software and equipment, and we may have to dig a bit. We do not have consumer equipment. If you want that, we can buy legacy radios like Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood. They have up to date manuals, but their equipment is dated. We could measure how great marvelous our equipment is by how many knobs we have, marvel by how much real estate it takes up on our desk, and how much it weighs. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Pete and all, These individuals that are demanding Owners Manual are not really interested in buying or printing their own. I offered to send NA1Z a free old copy and he did not bother to decline or accept my offer. Flex could put out a manuals monthly and they would continue to complaint, because they are not been kept up to date... They are just rattling our cage. This is how they get off! I had knobs radio for years and none of the rice box manufactures kept their manuals up. My final piece on this subject... W4EG To: w...@hotmail.com CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 13:57:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual From: manual...@juno.com Actually, since 2008, I've been the printer and distributor of the Flex operating manuals (see page III of each document) and the Flex Radio 5000 service manual(restrictions apply). These are the high resolution full color laser printed operating manuals with several different types of binding available. Several still have my Dayton sale pricing; see on the home page: Manuals With Special Pricing. Pete, WA2CWA http://www.manualman.com On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:08:19 -0700 Ernest Garcia w...@hotmail.commailto:w...@hotmail.com writes: Start now, print the manuals and bring it up to date. The changes are available at the Flex Knowledge Base. They are NOT that many as you think. Make sure you print the Owner Manual version 2.0 and not the 1.18.0 (if you like I can give you that copy if you want me to mail it, it's spiral bound and mono chrome.) I will ship it USPS Priority mail at your cost. 73, Ernest DM13 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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George, Move your mouse to the right of Leak to the value and a pop up will define its use. Ken W9IE Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Case in point, if you open up Power SDR, then Setup, then DSP. Under the Options tab is “Leak” What does “Leak” do?? There is no explanation in the docs that explain in detail what it does! What do I have to spend time searching through update docs and forums to find out? This was obviously added after the docs where published, what would it have taken to add this to the docs and republish? Yes after playing around with it for a few hours and listening you may figure it out, but wouldn’t it have been a time saver to know before you adjusted this what it actually did! There are other cases like this. I’m just saying that the Flex radios are the best thing out there right now (IMO), Why fall short with the docs? George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Jon, What is listed on the web site is the latest version of all FLEX series SDR manuals. Tim Ellison On 5/23/2013 7:31 PM, Jon Hall wrote: Is there a newer version of the owners manual for the 5000 than the v2.0 on the Flex website? It's almost three years old and I'm sure there have been many changes. Jon...kf2e ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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George If you would like to help bring the wiki up to date I am always welcoming volunteers. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal LLC HUGE DAYTON CELEBRATION SALE!! Time to get the guaranteed setup for your SDR! Now until end-May On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:10 PM, N1naz n1...@comcast.net wrote: Kind of unacceptable don’t you think? There has been so many changes to all of the flex line of radios and PowerSDR that the present manuals only touch on the basics and some of them are now very misleading or outright wrong! More time and money needs to be spent on keeping these manuals up to date. Even the Wiki page is out of date! George N1NAZ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:52:26 -0400 From: Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Message-ID: 519f709a.5070...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jon, What is listed on the web site is the latest version of all FLEX series SDR manuals. Tim Ellison On 5/23/2013 7:31 PM, Jon Hall wrote: Is there a newer version of the owners manual for the 5000 than the v2.0 on the Flex website? It's almost three years old and I'm sure there have been many changes. Jon...kf2e ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Yes, the documentation is really poor. Not only are their documents all dated, even the online resources give the appearance of neglect. It must impact on the number of support requests they get. For a radio that is computer centric most of the computer info on the site is out of date as well. I looked for the fireware cards on their recommended list from 2008 and none of them are still available. Jon ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Jon, To be fair, the list item was created in 2008 but was updated in 2012 and there are cards currently available on that list. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal LLC HUGE DAYTON CELEBRATION SALE!! Time to get the guaranteed setup for your SDR! Now until end-May On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Jon Hall jh...@hallsweb.org wrote: Yes, the documentation is really poor. Not only are their documents all dated, even the online resources give the appearance of neglect. It must impact on the number of support requests they get. For a radio that is computer centric most of the computer info on the site is out of date as well. I looked for the fireware cards on their recommended list from 2008 and none of them are still available. Jon ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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I just did a check on Amazon (one of my suppliers of choice) and EVERY one of the firewire cards is available. You might need to clear your cache. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal LLC HUGE DAYTON CELEBRATION SALE!! Time to get the guaranteed setup for your SDR! Now until end-May On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Neal Campbell nealk...@gmail.com wrote: Jon, To be fair, the list item was created in 2008 but was updated in 2012 and there are cards currently available on that list. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal LLC HUGE DAYTON CELEBRATION SALE!! Time to get the guaranteed setup for your SDR! Now until end-May On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Jon Hall jh...@hallsweb.org wrote: Yes, the documentation is really poor. Not only are their documents all dated, even the online resources give the appearance of neglect. It must impact on the number of support requests they get. For a radio that is computer centric most of the computer info on the site is out of date as well. I looked for the fireware cards on their recommended list from 2008 and none of them are still available. Jon ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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How about raising the price of new radios to update a 600 plus pages manual every time there is a new released of PDSR: I don't think you are going to like that either. Do like I did and do now; while fulfilling my military obligations in the USCG as a Radioman. I was constantly updating my operation manuals, crypto books and anything else that needed to be update, using ink and pens or cutting and gluing the updates until the new page was replaced. Let me tell you in four years, I received very few pages that needed replacement! Take the initiative to update your book, you may learn something. From: n1...@comcast.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 13:10:29 -0400 Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Kind of unacceptable don’t you think? There has been so many changes to all of the flex line of radios and PowerSDR that the present manuals only touch on the basics and some of them are now very misleading or outright wrong! More time and money needs to be spent on keeping these manuals up to date. Even the Wiki page is out of date! George N1NAZ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:52:26 -0400 From: Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Owners Manual Message-ID: 519f709a.5070...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jon, What is listed on the web site is the latest version of all FLEX series SDR manuals. Tim Ellison On 5/23/2013 7:31 PM, Jon Hall wrote: Is there a newer version of the owners manual for the 5000 than the v2.0 on the Flex website? It's almost three years old and I'm sure there have been many changes. Jon...kf2e ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Fair? Heck, that is excellent! :) On May 24, 2013 5:43 PM, Neal Campbell nealk...@gmail.com wrote: Jon, To be fair, the list item was created in 2008 but was updated in 2012 and there are cards currently available on that list. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal LLC HUGE DAYTON CELEBRATION SALE!! Time to get the guaranteed setup for your SDR! Now until end-May On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Jon Hall jh...@hallsweb.org wrote: Yes, the documentation is really poor. Not only are their documents all dated, even the online resources give the appearance of neglect. It must impact on the number of support requests they get. For a radio that is computer centric most of the computer info on the site is out of date as well. I looked for the fireware cards on their recommended list from 2008 and none of them are still available. Jon ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Start now, print the manuals and bring it up to date. The changes are available at the Flex Knowledge Base. They are NOT that many as you think. Make sure you print the Owner Manual version 2.0 and not the 1.18.0 (if you like I can give you that copy if you want me to mail it, it's spiral bound and mono chrome.) I will ship it USPS Priority mail at your cost. 73, Ernest DM13 From: n1...@comcast.net To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 22:20:46 -0400 Subject: [Flexradio] Owners Manual All well and good for the experienced SDR operator, who over the years has Kept up with and as you say updated their manuals, but New operators trying to make heads or tails of things is another matter. If you are going to bring out a product that is going to be, by nature, constantly changing then you have to deal with updating your user manuals as new features are added and old ones disappear. Or at minimum release addendums. George N1NAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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Ed, the version you have of 1.10.3 is the initial release. This was updated soon after (I'm afraid I cannot remember what the updates were) and is the one currently available. Version 1.12.0 is being feverishly worked on as we speak and will be out shortly. 73 de Joe - AB1DO - Original Message - From: Edward J White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SDR-5000 FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 16:39 Subject: [Flexradio] owners manual Hi Gang: Have a question on the operator's manual The latest manual listed on the web is Version 1.10.3 The picture of the op system shows 14.200.00 VFO a 14.158.00 VFO B But I have a copy that I copy from the FLEX site earlier this year that says its Version 1.10.3 and has a op system with 7.255.00 VFO A and 2.277.500 VFO B What is going on here? Is there a Version 1.12.0 Operator's Manual? I am sure I have missed something somewhere? Ed WA3BZT ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
