Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[Michael Walker]

You can always build your own T/R switch. They are pretty simple.

The early days (after spark gap), I used one for my DX40 and HR10B receiver.

I made a LOT of CW contacts with that pair.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 3:25 PM, LEE MUSHEL  wrote:

> Well, this thing (or it's current replacement) does cost $200 but if you
> don't have to worry about switch timing or the protection of a receiver
> that might cost much more than $500 I won't argue that this is a good
> suggestion.   I bought one to use with an SDR-IQ or Flex1500 and one of my
> older backup transceivers.
>
> 73
>
> Lee  K9WRU
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Mark Lunday 
> To: William and Sue , FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
> Sent: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:00:23 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio
>
> Use the RTR-1a from DX Engineering, it will do what you need.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> 
> From: William and Sue<mailto:ope...@rcn.com>
> Sent: ‎3/‎12/‎2017 12:28 PM
> To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz<mailto:FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz>
> Subject: [Flexradio] Radio
>
> Good morning all,
> Is there a way to use the flex 3000 as a receiver
> and transmit on something else.
> Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[LEE MUSHEL]

Well, this thing (or it's current replacement) does cost $200 but if you don't 
have to worry about switch timing or the protection of a receiver that might 
cost much more than $500 I won't argue that this is a good suggestion.   I 
bought one to use with an SDR-IQ or Flex1500 and one of my older backup 
transceivers.

73

Lee  K9WRU

- Original Message -
From: Mark Lunday 
To: William and Sue , FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Sent: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:00:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio

Use the RTR-1a from DX Engineering, it will do what you need.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: William and Sue<mailto:ope...@rcn.com>
Sent: ‎3/‎12/‎2017 12:28 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz<mailto:FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz>
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio

Good morning all,
Is there a way to use the flex 3000 as a receiver
and transmit on something else.
Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[Mark Lunday]

Use the RTR-1a from DX Engineering, it will do what you need.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: William and Sue
Sent: ‎3/‎12/‎2017 12:28 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio

Good morning all,
Is there a way to use the flex 3000 as a receiver
and transmit on something else.
Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[George Allen]

Yes.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 12, 2017, at 11:07 AM, William and Sue  wrote:
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> Good morning all,
> Is there a way to use the flex 3000 as a receiver
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Control

[Joel Baldwin]

WoodBoxRadio's Tmate 2


--On Friday, July 31, 2015 11:01 AM -0400 Bill and Sue  
wrote:



Good morning all,,
I wonder if anyone is using some kind of external control to run their
radio.  When I had the flex 3000 I could control it with the Hercules DJ
controller.   I can not use that with the Flex 6300.  I'll tell you why
it is important.  I am getting older and it is very hard for me the
control the drive with the mouse especially if I want to use the Amp.  I
have developed a shaking in my hands which make it hard for me to
smoothly move the Drive power and because of the shaking hands I get
afraid I will   over drive it when trying to tune the amp.  Thanks   Bill
ope...@rcn.com
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Control

[Mike Rhodes]

I don't have a 6k but while looking at the link below I stumbled across 
this:

http://k6tu.net/ipad/k6tuc-tips.html
The only 'gotcha' with this is, you have to have an iPad to run his app.

Mike / W8DN

On 7/31/2015 1:59 PM, Jerry Flanders wrote:
See: 
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/behringer-cmd-micro-dj-midi-controller-for-use-with-flex-6000


Read the entire thread. I don't think it is announced or summarized 
anywhere.


The CMD micro with William's code is sort of like the Hercules DJ 
unit, but for the 6000 series radios.


Jerry W4UK

At 11:01 AM 7/31/2015, Bill and Sue wrote:
Good morning all,, I wonder if anyone is using some kind of external 
control to run their radio.  When I had the flex 3000 I could control 
it with the Hercules DJ controller.   I can not use that with the 
Flex 6300.  I’ll tell you why it is important.  I am getting older 
and it is very hard for me the control the drive with the mouse 
especially if I want to use the Amp.  I have developed a shaking in 
my hands which make it hard for me to smoothly move the Drive power 
and because of the shaking hands I get afraid I will   over drive it 
when trying to tune the amp. Thanks   Bill ope...@rcn.com 
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Control

[Jerry Flanders]

He did another one, for a different controller: 
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/behringer-pl1-midi-controller-for-flex-6k


Jerry W4UK

At 01:59 PM 7/31/2015, Jerry Flanders wrote:
See: 
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/behringer-cmd-micro-dj-midi-controller-for-use-with-flex-6000


Read the entire thread. I don't think it is announced or summarized anywhere.

The CMD micro with William's code is sort of 
like the Hercules DJ unit, but for the 6000 series radios.


Jerry W4UK

At 11:01 AM 7/31/2015, Bill and Sue wrote:
Good morning all,, I wonder if anyone is using 
some kind of external control to run their 
radio.  When I had the flex 3000 I could 
control it with the Hercules DJ controller.   I 
can not use that with the Flex 6300.  I’ll 
tell you why it is important.  I am getting 
older and it is very hard for me the control 
the drive with the mouse especially if I want 
to use the Amp.  I have developed a shaking in 
my hands which make it hard for me to smoothly 
move the Drive power and because of the shaking 
hands I get afraid I will   over drive it when 
trying to tune the amp. Thanks   Bill 
ope...@rcn.com 
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Control

[Jerry Flanders]

See: 
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/behringer-cmd-micro-dj-midi-controller-for-use-with-flex-6000


Read the entire thread. I don't think it is announced or summarized anywhere.

The CMD micro with William's code is sort of like 
the Hercules DJ unit, but for the 6000 series radios.


Jerry W4UK

At 11:01 AM 7/31/2015, Bill and Sue wrote:
Good morning all,, I wonder if anyone is using 
some kind of external control to run their 
radio.  When I had the flex 3000 I could control 
it with the Hercules DJ controller.   I can not 
use that with the Flex 6300.  I’ll tell you 
why it is important.  I am getting older and it 
is very hard for me the control the drive with 
the mouse especially if I want to use the 
Amp.  I have developed a shaking in my hands 
which make it hard for me to smoothly move the 
Drive power and because of the shaking hands I 
get afraid I will   over drive it when trying to 
tune the amp. Thanks   Bill ope...@rcn.com 
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Control

[Army Curtis]

Bill,

Something that may help you with setting the drive level (and the other sliders 
as well), rather than trying to "grab" the slider "knob" and move it to the 
desired level, put your mouse cursor in the slider "track" next to the "knob", 
not on the "knob" and click the mouse. Each click will move the slider by 1. 
For example, if your tune level is set to 50, clicking in the "track" above the 
"knob" will increase the tune level to 51. Click again and it becomes 52. Much 
finer control without having to move the mouse. This can work especially well 
with a trackball.

Hope this helps.

73, Army AE5P

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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Bill and 
Sue
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 10:01 AM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio Control

Good morning all,,
I wonder if anyone is using some kind of external control to run their radio.  
When I had the flex 3000 I could control it with the Hercules DJ controller.   
I can not use that with the Flex 6300.  I’ll tell you why it is important.  I 
am getting older and it is very hard for me the control the drive with the 
mouse especially if I want to use the Amp.  I have developed a shaking in my 
hands which make it hard for me to smoothly move the Drive power and because of 
the shaking hands I get afraid I will   over drive it when trying to tune the 
amp. 
Thanks   Bill
ope...@rcn.com
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Control

[Tony Estep]

Bill, controlling the Flex with the Hercules was a true stroke of genius,
and it cost only 65 bucks. The new Flexes revert to the mouse-tuning model,
but Flex has announced a very nice add-on called the Maestro that can do
what the Hercules used to do. It will be available late this year for $999.

http://www.flexradio.com/amateur-products/flex-6000-signature-series/maestro/


73,
Tony KT0NY

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Bill and Sue  wrote:

> Good morning all,,
> I wonder if anyone is using some kind of external control to run their
> radio.  When I had the flex 3000 I could control it with the Hercules DJ
> controller.   I can not use that with the Flex 6300.  I’ll tell you why it
> is important.  I am getting older and it is very hard for me the control
> the drive with the mouse especially if I want to use the Amp.  I have
> developed a shaking in my hands which make it hard for me to smoothly move
> the Drive power and because of the shaking hands I get afraid I will   over
> drive it when trying to tune the amp.
> Thanks   Bill
> ope...@rcn.com
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[John Kramer]

Bill and Sue

Bill

With the MFJ-1025 or 1026, you need a second antenna that hears the level of 
noise as strong as, or stronger
than what you hear it on your main antenna. It is quite easy and intuitive 
using a Flex radio to see if the noise
source is being picked up equally strong. You really need to first determine 
where the noise is coming from.
If it is a neighbour, then install a low wire antenna along the boundary 
fence/wall/hedge with your neighbour,
trying different antennas or antenna orientation to maximise the noise level on 
your “noise antenna”. 
Then using the MFJ-1026 you just null out the noise on your main antenna. 
There are many youtube clips on youtube showing you how it’s done. Just search 
for MFJ-1026 on youtube

73
John


On 21 Jul 2015, at 7:15 PM, Bill and Sue  wrote:

Hi folks, I know a lot of people use the community screen or whatever you call 
it but I never seen to be where I want to post something.  I find this the best 
for me.  Now, the other day someone posted a video of showing how to get rid of 
any interference one may have.  Now my average noise level is about S6.  Using 
that method in the video does it mean I could drop my noise level 
significantly??  From what I saw and read does it mean that I would have to put 
up a receiving antenna almost to match the one I have up But lower than the one 
I have up??  I then use the MFJ. device to tune out the noise??
Thanks Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[Don Plunkett]

I learned that the hard way as well ... check in the lower right hand corner
to see that TX is set to "ready" ... Don


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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
Dudley Hurry
Sent: July-20-15 4:30 PM
To: Bill and Sue
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio

Bill,  

Make sure that you have the interlocks and Tx Inhibit disabled in Radio
Setup -> Transmit tab  unless you are using them .  

73,
Dudley
WA5QPZ

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> On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Bill and Sue  wrote:
> 
> Uh  O   My 6300 seems to have a problem.  When I click on Tune, Mox, Atu,
Mem, or my external PTT nothing happens   I can not transmit to tune.  Any
advice before asking for desk help?
> Thanks Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[Dudley Hurry]

Bill,  

Make sure that you have the interlocks and Tx Inhibit disabled in Radio Setup 
-> Transmit tab  unless you are using them .  

73,
Dudley
WA5QPZ

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> On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Bill and Sue  wrote:
> 
> Uh  O   My 6300 seems to have a problem.  When I click on Tune, Mox, Atu, 
> Mem, or my external PTT nothing happens   I can not transmit to tune.  Any 
> advice before asking for desk help?
> Thanks Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[Wayne G. Brown]

Plug it into the white TX jack next to the red remote jack.  I mainly work
cw and set the delay to 200 to keep the 811H relay from tripping inside
letters.  Without the amp the delay can be set to 0 for essentially full
breakin.  

73, 
Wayne, N4FP

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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Bill
and Sue
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:52 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio

Good evening folks,
Question on putting in line an Amplifier.   When I had the flex 3000 I just
had the wire coming from the TX out on the 3000 and went to 811H.  On this
radio (Flex 6300) after reading the manual I do not know where to put the
RCA plug,   I see it has an ALC connection  on the back but I do not believe
I have to use the ALC.  I have used the amps without having to use the ALC.
Could someone tell me where in the back of the 6300 I should put the RCA
cable.
Thanks to all
Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[Wayne G. Brown]

http://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/  Submit a request.

Works well.  

73, Wayne, N4FP

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and Sue
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:24 AM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio

Hi Folks,
Can anyone tell me how to get a ticket to have the 3000 checked out and
worked on?   I never needed one before and do not know how to go about it.
Thanks 
Bill
N1EHM 
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio

[amsctalx]

http://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/articles/202118688-How-to-Submit-a-Request-for-Technical-Support
 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill and Sue"  
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:24:07 AM 
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio 

Hi Folks, 
Can anyone tell me how to get a ticket to have the 3000 checked out and worked 
on? I never needed one before and do not know how to go about it. 
Thanks 
Bill 
N1EHM 
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio disappeared

[George Works]

Thanks to everyone on this list for their helpful comments. The F3k 
still isn't working, but many possible problems have been ruled out. 
This radio worked for years before the problem developed.


The legacy driver is installed.
The green Firewire light inside the Flex lights when the firewire cable 
is plugged in and not otherwise.

I tried three different firewire cables with the same result.
I tried two different PCs with the same result (both using VIA chipsets 
and legacy drivers).

I tried two different versions of PSDR with the same results.

I now have a help ticket open and am working with Dudley on this.

George, PJ5/KJ6VW

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio disappeared

[Neal Campbell]

Make sure you are using the Legacy OHCI 1394 drivers for your firewire
card. Open the Flex control panel applet and go to the DPC tab and see if
there is a recommendation on what setting you should be running the driver
in (eg, Low Latency, Normal, etc). Set the mode per its recommendation.

Shutdown the computer and move the firewire cable to a different firewire
socket on your computer. Since you are using a 3000, you only have one
firewire port on the radio (on the 5000 you can also try a different port).

Reboot and then power up the 3000 and see if it is recognized.
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>
> I recently saw an automatic Windows update for FTDI drivers on my W7 64
> machine.
> If you have Windows Update  running for auto updates, it may be worthwhile
> to investigate.
>
> On another note this recent FTDI update resolved a problem I was having
> with
> the MicroHam Station Master.
>
> Paul Delaney - K6HR
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>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 11:19 AM
> To: Flex reflector
> Subject: [Flexradio] Radio disappeared
>
> My Flex-3000 has disappeared. I'm running Win7 64 bit, VIA chip set
> FDDI. I've tried three different FDDI cables and two different PCs (and
> FDDIs) with PSDR v2.6.4 installed exactly according to instructions. I
> get the same "No devices found" message in each case. What should I do
> next?
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio disappeared

[Paul]

I recently saw an automatic Windows update for FTDI drivers on my W7 64
machine.
If you have Windows Update  running for auto updates, it may be worthwhile
to investigate.

On another note this recent FTDI update resolved a problem I was having with
the MicroHam Station Master.

Paul Delaney - K6HR
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080
 
 
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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
George Works
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 11:19 AM
To: Flex reflector
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio disappeared

My Flex-3000 has disappeared. I'm running Win7 64 bit, VIA chip set 
FDDI. I've tried three different FDDI cables and two different PCs (and 
FDDIs) with PSDR v2.6.4 installed exactly according to instructions. I 
get the same "No devices found" message in each case. What should I do next?
George, PJ5/KJ6VW
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio disappeared

[N9RO]

I had what appears to be the same problem with my 5000A, I too was using the
VIA set when the problem occurred and changed to a Firewire card with the TI
chip set and all was well.  This occurred to me after the latest upgrade.  

Tim,  N9RO


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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
George Works
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 1:19 PM
To: Flex reflector
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio disappeared

My Flex-3000 has disappeared. I'm running Win7 64 bit, VIA chip set FDDI.
I've tried three different FDDI cables and two different PCs (and
FDDIs) with PSDR v2.6.4 installed exactly according to instructions. I get
the same "No devices found" message in each case. What should I do next?
George, PJ5/KJ6VW
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio locks up when pressing the TUN button

[Gary Warner]

Tim,

Thanks for the quick response.

I was trying to tune through my Palstar AT2K manual tuner.   You are 
correct that it does not lock up when using the internal tuner.   I 
wonder why that particular combination of frequency and power caused it 
to lock up when just a few kilohertz away it worked fine?   I assume 
that your recommendation for power is anything less than the power that 
locks it up?


Gary
WG1I

On 2/26/2012 2:17 PM, Tim Ellison, W4TME wrote:
Which tuner are you trying to tune?  The internal tuner in the F3K or 
an external tuner?


The reason higher power levels are allowed when tuning is some 
external ATUs and amps need more than 10 watts.


We also use TUNe at 100 watts into a dummy load to verify the PA 
maximum output without have to hook up a key in CW mode to do it.


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Email: t...@flexradio.com 
Web: www.flexradio.com 

logo


On 2/26/2012 5:09 PM, Gary Warner wrote:

Something odd happened today.

I am running a Flex 3000.   I was at 28.457 and trying to tune up the 
radio to my antenna with my tuner.   I had just tuned successfully 
just a little off this frequency and was just touching up the tune.   
I pressed the TUN button in Power SDR, and it totally locked up and 
continued to transmit.   The only way I could make it stop was to use 
ALT-F4 to close Power SDR (version 2.2.3), or to turn off the radio, 
which, of course, crashes Power SDR.   I tried changing the 
frequency, and it worked flawlessly on all other bands, and also on 
this band without any lockup, EXCEPT between 28.4558 and 28.4575 
where it consistently locked up Power SDR.


I finally tried reducing the tune power from the 50 watts my copy of 
Power SDR to 10 watts, and it seems to have made the problem go 
away.   I do not recall changing the default tune power to 50 watts, 
and now wonder why it is variable if it can cause Power SDR to lock 
up.   I see that the screen capture in the manual shows it set at 10 
watts, but why is it allowed to be changed?What else is TUN used 
for?


Gary
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio locks up when pressing the TUN button

[Tim Ellison, W4TME]

Which tuner are you trying to tune?  The internal tuner in the F3K or an 
external tuner?


The reason higher power levels are allowed when tuning is some external 
ATUs and amps need more than 10 watts.


We also use TUNe at 100 watts into a dummy load to verify the PA maximum 
output without have to hook up a key in CW mode to do it.


Tim Ellison, W4TME
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4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150
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Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223
Email: t...@flexradio.com 
Web: www.flexradio.com 

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On 2/26/2012 5:09 PM, Gary Warner wrote:

Something odd happened today.

I am running a Flex 3000.   I was at 28.457 and trying to tune up the 
radio to my antenna with my tuner.   I had just tuned successfully 
just a little off this frequency and was just touching up the tune.   
I pressed the TUN button in Power SDR, and it totally locked up and 
continued to transmit.   The only way I could make it stop was to use 
ALT-F4 to close Power SDR (version 2.2.3), or to turn off the radio, 
which, of course, crashes Power SDR.   I tried changing the frequency, 
and it worked flawlessly on all other bands, and also on this band 
without any lockup, EXCEPT between 28.4558 and 28.4575 where it 
consistently locked up Power SDR.


I finally tried reducing the tune power from the 50 watts my copy of 
Power SDR to 10 watts, and it seems to have made the problem go 
away.   I do not recall changing the default tune power to 50 watts, 
and now wonder why it is variable if it can cause Power SDR to lock 
up.   I see that the screen capture in the manual shows it set at 10 
watts, but why is it allowed to be changed?What else is TUN used for?


Gary
WG1I

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[Tim Ellison]

"If I delete all the old Flex software before updating to 2.0.22, should this 
not clear it up?"

No, it will not.  Uninstalling PowerSDR only removes application binaries, 
sometimes drivers, but not databases.

You will need to manually "reset" the Radio Chooser database by deleting the 
master.xml file located in %APPDATA%\FlexRadio Systems

-Tim


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To: Tim Ellison
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

I always have my radio on first, yet the annoying (to me, as I have only one
Flex) chooser shows up.  I believe this started  when I updated to 2.0.19(?) 
and did not delete the old software before installing the new.  There are two 
different serial numbers showing but I've never had but one Flex on this 
computer.  I've been ignoring it as a problem with the update..

If I delete all the old Flex software before updating to 2.0.22, should this 
not clear it up?
Pierce


- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Ellison" 
To: "EB4APL" ; 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector


> If you only have one radio connected at the time PowerSDR is started, the 
> Radio Chooser is not displayed.
>
>
> -Tim


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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[Ed Stallman]

I just renamed my master . xml file and restarted without the radio 
chooser showing up


Ed N5DG



At 09:29 PM 4/2/2011, Jerry Flanders wrote:

Would this wipe out my entire setup for the radio or only the radio type?

Jerry W4UK

At 10:11 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
Ah.  That makes a difference.  PowerSDR does not know at init time 
that you have a radio attached since there is no firmware in the 
SDR-1000 to tell it so.  From the Radio Chooser's perspective, you 
have a "legacy" radio since it was manually set up in the Radio 
Chooser database.


You can try and reset the radio chooser's database by deleting the 
master.xml file that resides at %APPDATA%\FlexRadio Systems and 
restarting PowerSDR 2.0.22.  You will have to set up your entry in 
the Radio Chooser for the SDR-1000 again.  This might work or it 
may not as my SDR-1000 is in the W4TME Radio Hall of Fame (the 
storage closet) so I can't test this out.



-Tim


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Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:27 PM
To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

I have only one SDR1000 on my second station, but I see the "chooser"
ask if I want the sdr-1000 or the demo every time I start it up.

Jerry W4UK

At 09:06 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
>If you only have one radio connected at the time PowerSDR is started,
>the Radio Chooser is not displayed.
>
>
>-Tim
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
>[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of EB4APL
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:30 PM
>To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>Subject: [Flexradio] Radio selector
>
>Hi,
>
>Do anybody know if there is a way to bypass the radio selector (a
>parameter or a configuration entry) on the current version?
>
>Regards
>Ignacio EB4APL
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[Tim Ellison]

Just the entries in the Radio Chooser.  It does not affect the radio specific 
database


-Tim


-Original Message-
From: Jerry Flanders [mailto:jefland...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:29 PM
To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Radio selector

Would this wipe out my entire setup for the radio or only the radio type?

Jerry W4UK

At 10:11 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
>Ah.  That makes a difference.  PowerSDR does not know at init time that 
>you have a radio attached since there is no firmware in the
>SDR-1000 to tell it so.  From the Radio Chooser's perspective, you have 
>a "legacy" radio since it was manually set up in the Radio Chooser 
>database.
>
>You can try and reset the radio chooser's database by deleting the 
>master.xml file that resides at %APPDATA%\FlexRadio Systems and 
>restarting PowerSDR 2.0.22.  You will have to set up your entry in the 
>Radio Chooser for the SDR-1000 again.  This might work or it may not as 
>my SDR-1000 is in the W4TME Radio Hall of Fame (the storage
>closet) so I can't test this out.
>
>
>-Tim
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jerry Flanders [mailto:jefland...@comcast.net]
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:27 PM
>To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector
>
>I have only one SDR1000 on my second station, but I see the "chooser"
>ask if I want the sdr-1000 or the demo every time I start it up.
>
>Jerry W4UK
>
>At 09:06 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
> >If you only have one radio connected at the time PowerSDR is started, 
> >the Radio Chooser is not displayed.
> >
> >
> >-Tim
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
> >[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of EB4APL
> >Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:30 PM
> >To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> >Subject: [Flexradio] Radio selector
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Do anybody know if there is a way to bypass the radio selector (a 
> >parameter or a configuration entry) on the current version?
> >
> >Regards
> >Ignacio EB4APL
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[Jerry Flanders]

Would this wipe out my entire setup for the radio or only the radio type?

Jerry W4UK

At 10:11 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
Ah.  That makes a difference.  PowerSDR does not know at init time 
that you have a radio attached since there is no firmware in the 
SDR-1000 to tell it so.  From the Radio Chooser's perspective, you 
have a "legacy" radio since it was manually set up in the Radio 
Chooser database.


You can try and reset the radio chooser's database by deleting the 
master.xml file that resides at %APPDATA%\FlexRadio Systems and 
restarting PowerSDR 2.0.22.  You will have to set up your entry in 
the Radio Chooser for the SDR-1000 again.  This might work or it may 
not as my SDR-1000 is in the W4TME Radio Hall of Fame (the storage 
closet) so I can't test this out.



-Tim


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Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:27 PM
To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

I have only one SDR1000 on my second station, but I see the "chooser"
ask if I want the sdr-1000 or the demo every time I start it up.

Jerry W4UK

At 09:06 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
>If you only have one radio connected at the time PowerSDR is started,
>the Radio Chooser is not displayed.
>
>
>-Tim
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
>[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of EB4APL
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:30 PM
>To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>Subject: [Flexradio] Radio selector
>
>Hi,
>
>Do anybody know if there is a way to bypass the radio selector (a
>parameter or a configuration entry) on the current version?
>
>Regards
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[Tim Ellison]

Ah.  That makes a difference.  PowerSDR does not know at init time that you 
have a radio attached since there is no firmware in the SDR-1000 to tell it so. 
 From the Radio Chooser's perspective, you have a "legacy" radio since it was 
manually set up in the Radio Chooser database.

You can try and reset the radio chooser's database by deleting the master.xml 
file that resides at %APPDATA%\FlexRadio Systems and restarting PowerSDR 
2.0.22.  You will have to set up your entry in the Radio Chooser for the 
SDR-1000 again.  This might work or it may not as my SDR-1000 is in the W4TME 
Radio Hall of Fame (the storage closet) so I can't test this out.


-Tim


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Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:27 PM
To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

I have only one SDR1000 on my second station, but I see the "chooser" 
ask if I want the sdr-1000 or the demo every time I start it up.

Jerry W4UK

At 09:06 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
>If you only have one radio connected at the time PowerSDR is started, 
>the Radio Chooser is not displayed.
>
>
>-Tim
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
>[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of EB4APL
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:30 PM
>To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>Subject: [Flexradio] Radio selector
>
>Hi,
>
>Do anybody know if there is a way to bypass the radio selector (a 
>parameter or a configuration entry) on the current version?
>
>Regards
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[Jerry Flanders]

I have only one SDR1000 on my second station, but I see the "chooser" 
ask if I want the sdr-1000 or the demo every time I start it up.


Jerry W4UK

At 09:06 PM 4/2/2011, Tim Ellison wrote:
If you only have one radio connected at the time PowerSDR is 
started, the Radio Chooser is not displayed.



-Tim


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[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of EB4APL

Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:30 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio selector

Hi,

Do anybody know if there is a way to bypass the radio selector (a 
parameter or a configuration entry) on the current version?


Regards
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[Tim Ellison]

If you only have one radio connected at the time PowerSDR is started, the Radio 
Chooser is not displayed.


-Tim


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To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio selector

Hi,

Do anybody know if there is a way to bypass the radio selector (a parameter or 
a configuration entry) on the current version?

Regards
Ignacio EB4APL

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio selector

[K9DUR]

Ignacio,

If you have more than one radio installed, I do not believe that there is.

However, if you only have one radio, the radio chooser will not be displayed
unless you start PowerSDR without having the radio powered on.  In that
case, go to your %APPDATA% directory, go to the "FlexRadio Systems" folder,
and delete the master.xml file.

In XP, the %APPDATA% directory is located at 

   C:\Documents and settings\\Application Data

In Vista & Win7, it is at

   C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming

In either case, "" is your user name on the PC.   

73, Ray, K9DUR
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Subject: [Flexradio] Radio selector

Hi,

Do anybody know if there is a way to bypass the radio selector (a 
parameter or a configuration entry) on the current version?

Regards
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Re: [Flexradio] "Radio not Found" message. Resolved

[Tim Ellison]

Windows updates will reset the driver from Legacy to native.


-Tim


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[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Brad A. Steffler
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 8:42 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Neal Campbell K3NC
Subject: [Flexradio] "Radio not Found" message. Resolved

Hi Neal

Everything you had suggested in your reply had already been done except 
checking DEVICE MANAGER which had recognized the Firewire port and had the MS 
legacy driver operative.

I cycled the power to the radio and, Viola', the radio started got the 
calibration data and started right up so I could hear the powerline noise 
easily (and a few QSO's). Why would this happen? When I shut down, I always 
stop PowerSDR, wait a few seconds for any file writing and closing, then shut 
down the radio, and only then do I clcik on "shut down" which is a function of 
the OS. Is my sequence in error? It appears that the calibration data 
disappeared - but he radio immediately appeared, and transferred the 
calibration data, after I did the power cycling while the PC was on.

Usually I boot the PC, which is lightning fast with the SSD from Abroham Neal, 
wait 60 seconds and let NOD32 do its thing and all other devices install, then 
I power up the radio and wait about 75 seconds before starting PowerSDR. Is 
this sequence incorrect?

Thanks and 73,

Brad A. Steffler
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Re: [Flexradio] "Radio Not found" Error Message

[Neal Campbell]

Hi Brad

First, go to the Control Panel->Device Manager and see if the firewire card
is being recognized properly. Make sure you have the legacy driver loaded.
If thats okay, then close that out.

Next, open the FlexDriver. Does the driver see your radio? If not, make sure
its plugged firmly into the firewire socket on both the radio and the
computer.

Until you see a radio in the FlexDriver, you will not see one in PowerSDR.
If you do not, cycle power in the radio and see if one appears. If not, try
rebooting your computer, and power it back on with the radio turned off.
Once Windows has fully come up, then power on the radio.

73
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Brad A. Steffler wrote:

> Flex 5000a with 2nd receiver
> PowerSDR 1.18.6
> Flex_wire Driver v3.5.0.7171
> Win7 Pro 64 bit
>
>
> Things had been going very well since 12/4/2010 when I put the 5000a on the
> air for the first time. Did an update today from the MS Win7 64 bit update
> site. NO drivers were updated, only "important" ("important" is MS's word -
> not mine) updates done - mainly Security updates,Win Defender, Cumulative
> update for Internet Explorer 8 (even though I have only IE 7 installed.) and
> Malicious Software Removal tool.
>
> After updates, I am unable to get PowerSDR to start normally. I get an
> error message: No Devices Found: Enter Demo Mode?
>
> Is there a known problem with the updates? Do I need to uninstall IE 8
> updates or other updates? I do not know why IE8 updates were installed.
>
> I am a nooby, still learning the 5000a.
>
> 73,
>
> Brad A. Steffler
> KE4XJ
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio not responding

[Dave Gomberg]

Ooops, my bad.   I did not check the firewire cable, and one end was 
almost falling out of its "socket".   Where is RJ-45 when we need him???



At 04:25 PM 10/11/2009, Dave Gomberg wrote:

After a power interruption my radio seem unhappy.   The blue light comes on
as expected.   The PC boots.  But FlexRadio does not show any connected
device and when I turn the radio on, Windows doesn't sound its tones (twice,
or even once).  I tried removing all power from the radio for 1', no 
help.  Tried

a cold boot on the PC, no help.   What should I do next?   Get an RMA?



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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Test Issues

[Jim Lux]

Quoting Bill Tippett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Sat 23 Feb 2008  
06:56:18 AM PST:

> NC0B:
>
>> Comments on testing radios.
>>
>> One can test radios with really clean OCXOs, but that does not give
>> much flexibility.
>
> W6RMK:
>
>> Unless you're independently wealthy and can afford a whole batch of
> oscillators
>
> When that person steps forward, the following would be an interesting
> receiver test (simulates a contest like the CQ 160 CW):
> Space S9+30 carriers every 500 Hz and measure the change in noise
> floor while cycling them on and off.  Next step would be to key the
> signals on and off (unsynchronized).

S9+30 = about -47dBm?
Typical XOs put out around +10 dBm, so a 60 dB pad will get it to the  
right level, and has the advantage of providing 120dB isolation  
between oscillators.

For this experiment, one wouldn't need fancy OCXOs, either. Just very  
clean oscillators. You might be able to get by with low jitter DIP  
packaged oscillators (like the one in the SDR1000), and just get a  
bunch of them, hoping they're spread out enough.


> An equivalent test for SSB would use spacing every 2 kHz, but adding
> modulation to simulate an SSB signal.


Your suggested tests are very much like the noise power notch test,  
which has been around for decades (first used in carrier telephony, I  
believe).  You put a wideband noise signal into the device under test.  
  Then, you notch out a subband (typically a 3 kHz wide "voice  
channel").  You measure the two different powers going into the UUT  
(unnotched and notched).  Then, you measure the two different powers  
coming out of the UUT.  If the device is linear, then the ratios  
unnotched to notched should be the same.  If there is IMD, then the  
notched power coming out is too high (i.e. spectral regrowth has  
filled in the notch)

You can also do it by making a narrow band measurement in the notch.



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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Test Issues

[Bill Tippett]

NC0B:

> Comments on testing radios.
>
> One can test radios with really clean OCXOs, but that does not give
> much flexibility.

W6RMK:

>Unless you're independently wealthy and can afford a whole batch of
oscillators

When that person steps forward, the following would be an interesting
receiver test (simulates a contest like the CQ 160 CW):
Space S9+30 carriers every 500 Hz and measure the change in noise
floor while cycling them on and off.  Next step would be to key the
signals on and off (unsynchronized).

An equivalent test for SSB would use spacing every 2 kHz, but adding
modulation to simulate an SSB signal.

The tests we have (IMD, BDR, Phase Noise...all using very pure
continuous sources) are woefully inadequate to simulate the real world
of transmitted phase noise, key clicks, SSB IMD splatter, etc.  Rather
than just 2 pure tones for IMD tests, it would be interesting to see
the combined effect of many.  Seems like you would get an additive
effect from phase noise over a very wide bandwidth.

73,  Bill  W4ZV
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio Test Issues

[Jim Lux]

Quoting Rob Sherwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Mon 18 Feb 2008 12:30:50 PM PST:

> Comments on testing radios.
>
> One can test radios with really clean OCXOs, but that does not give   
> much flexibility.

Unless you're independently wealthy and can afford a whole batch of  
oscillators

One needs to be able to move around to deal with
> real-world spurs.  Sometimes it is necessary to make a 20 kHz test   
> at 19 kHz or may be 21 kHz because a weak spur ends up right on the   
> frequency where you are looking for IMD.   Also it is really   
> important to be able to "wobble" both signal generators to be sure   
> one is really looking at the 3rd order product.   I "wobble" both   
> generators +/- 100 Hz and listen for the intermod product to   
> "wobble".  Otherwise you can fool yourself.

Interesting.  100Hz at 10MHz is 10 ppm, which is probably within the  
range of the electronic tuning input on OCXOs (barely)

But no way are you going to push it several kHz (at least not if it's  
a really good crystal).

Maybe a classic divide and mix synthesizer?

But maybe it's not worth it for digital radios.. (i.e. rather than  
spending one's time trying to build the ideal test set for a  
particular measurement, look for other measurements that may be of  
equal or better value)



>
> My generators are two 8662As and one 8642A.  My 8663A needs a part   
> and is on the shelf.  The E8663B is a current Agilent product, but   
> besides being too expensive, is not as clean at HF frequencies as   
> the older generators.  Agilent even have a paper on using external,   
> low-noise frequency dividers to improve the E8663B phase noise   
> performance below 250 MHZ.   
> http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5989-5099EN.pdf

And that's not the only problem with the E8663B.. when you step  
frequencies, it's not phase continuous.  (Although, I think that's  
actually a bug)


Jim,W6RMK

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Robert McGwier]

The panadapter shows the transmit digital stream BEFORE it hits the QSE 
(sdr exciter).  There is no way to do it any other way in the SDR-1000. 
  The Flex 5000 is considerably more versatile in this regard because of 
its dual RX/TX IF.  In fact,  the plan is to tune the transmitter 
predistortion (equalizer) by listening to it with the receiver.

Bob
N4HY

Steve Kirk (KW5TX) wrote:
> Its the Panadapter and NR that does it for me...simply great!...although 
> the Panadapter is not always accurate on Transmit.
> I had a group of hams tell me I was transmitting DSB when I was clearly 
> on LSB on the console. I did a reload of the DB and a Re Calibration and 
> all was well...but
> the Panadapter of course never showed the problem...its just a benchmark 
> :)   still cool tho
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Duane - N9DG]

--- Philip Covington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Could it be the difference is that they don't provide
> enough
> information to actually write your own firmware for those
> radios?  I
> mean if you can't write the firmware yourself, you cannot
> change the
> way the radio behaves ( ...that is, those things determined
> by the
> firmware).
> 
> Phil N8VB

I think it goes back farther than that. It has more to do
with the designer's fundamental view of how to *start*
designing a 'radio' and how it must look, work, and feel.  My
oversimplified take on it is this:

1. A big 4 radio company decides to design a new radio and
they typically start with this set of basic parameters:

a) The radio will be a box that sits on the tabletop.
b) It will have a frequency display.
c) It will have an S-meter.
d) It must have knobs and buttons for controls (PC
interfacing is secondary).
e) Etc.
f) Must meet performance specs X,Y,Z.
g) Price point.


The PC based SDR's such as the Flex series start with
something more like this:

a) PC technology is cheap, how can we use it to make it into
a radio?
b) How can we minimize the amount of radio/RF specific HW?
c) Can we equal or exceed traditional radio circuit design
performance with minimal HW and good software?
d) PC based UI's will be primary, and can we support open
ended UI designs, (many that we can't even think of
ourselves)?
e) Also can we support knobs and buttons for control?
f) Etc.
g) Price point.

Notice that the PC based SDR product design approach is more
of a series of 'open ended' questions vs. the more
traditional 'predefined' notion of what a radio must look,
work, and feel like?

And then through some actively encouraged end user /
experimenter involvement you now have Flex radios and the
various other 'more experimental' SDR projects that are out
there today (HPSDR, Softrocks', Winrad, Rocky, etc. etc.).

Duane
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Steve Kirk (KW5TX)]

Its the Panadapter and NR that does it for me...simply great!...although 
the Panadapter is not always accurate on Transmit.
I had a group of hams tell me I was transmitting DSB when I was clearly 
on LSB on the console. I did a reload of the DB and a Re Calibration and 
all was well...but
the Panadapter of course never showed the problem...its just a benchmark 
:)   still cool tho

steve/kw5tx


KA5MIR wrote:
>   Seems to me like they are converging.  The hardware in each will have their 
> individual features and limitations but the overall DSP concept seems to be 
> a common goal.
>
>   I think the biggest feature of Flex is PowerSDR.  With Flex's investment 
> and excellent contributions by knowledgeable volunteers, who has better 
> software?  I use other rigs, but always come back to the Panadapter/Spectrum 
> Display in PowerSDR.  It is my visual connection into the previously only 
> audible radio spectrum and the PowerSDR panadapter is great.  Is that too 
> dramatic?  Just my opinion...
>
> 73',
> Kent/KA5MIR
>
>
>   
 The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
 ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
 still just traditional radios with computers in them.
 
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Jim Lux]

At 09:47 AM 4/13/2007, Alan NV8A wrote:
>On 04/13/07 11:04 am Jim Lux wrote:
>
>>Probably the single biggest difference between the two is that you 
>>can't change the software in the IC7000, because it's got equipment 
>>authorization and the FCC won't allow it to be changeable to keep that auth.
>
>
>Both the Icom IC-7800 and the Kenwood TS-2000 have user-upgradeable 
>firmware, so why couldn't the IC-7000? (Others have mentioned the 
>Ten-Tec models)

Probably an engineering/marketing decision.. Note also that while the 
user firmware is upgradeable, it's not open.. you'd just get a 
bitstream to load.

It also does cost a fair amount to provide a reliable upgrade 
mechanism that won't inadvertently turn your radio into a brick if 
something hiccups.  the 7800 is pretty pricey, so they can afford 
it.  It might be that the "cheap way" (for the TS2000) is patented by Kenwood..

The IC7000 has the firmware in a masked rom version of the DSP, so 
it's not like the firmware is sitting in some nice memory chip where 
you can add in a programming interface.  You might be able to cobble 
something up with the JTAG interface on the DSP chip(s), especially 
if you swapped the actual chip for one with internal RAM/EEPROM, but 
that's getting pretty hairy, and clearly out of the expectation of the FCC..

It might also be because of the internal design of the IC7000 makes 
it too vulnerable.


>73
>
>Alan NV8A

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Jim Lux]

At 09:42 AM 4/13/2007, Lyle Johnson wrote:
>>Probably the single biggest difference between the two is that you 
>>can't change the software in the IC7000, because it's got equipment 
>>authorization and the FCC won't allow it to be changeable to keep that auth.
>
>???
>
>How does TenTec do it with the Orion, Jupiter, Argonaut V, ...  and 
>still keep their authorization?

Closed source?  They don't publish the internal interfaces or 
software documentation, so it would be quite difficult for you to 
(legally) create something that would work. Sure you could reverse 
engineer it, but that might get into trouble with DMCA..

And ultimately, it's between the mfr and the FCC.. it's a negotiated 
process because the Part 15 rules are not all that cut and dried.

See the cut and pasted comment from Ten-Tec in 2004 below.  I note 
that they did not address the equipment authorization issue, but a 
happy toiler could probably go to the fcc website and look up their 
application, and in there somewhere will be a complete description of 
how they meet the requirement. It's there for the IC7000 (I having 
looked to see if it would ever be possible to "reflash" the dsp 
code.. nope.. mask rom)

What is not understood about this discussion is that the DSP code takes
a serious engineering effort to create and cannot be simply given away
for anyone (including companies that compete with us) to use.  We have
lots of competition both in the amateur radio and non-amateur radio
arenas; to simply give away our intellectual property would let others
use our engineering effort to their advantage.  Perhaps years from now,
when current equipment is discontinued the possibility of making it
available for use and experimentation could be discussed - but in the
short term, there is no possibility of this happening.

Leaving aside the entire discussion of what a project it would be to try
to provide tech support for people troubleshooting their own version of
our code to make their radio do something specific and/or modify the
existing radio.

We do custom engineering work all the time.  There are customized
versions of DSP radios that we sell as off-the-shelf items out in circulation
right now - and there was a significant cost incurred for engineering time
to create these items.   The eventual owners of these custom radios
paid a hefty price to use our engineering time to modify our intellectual
property to get exactly what they wanted.

Slightly different topic:
I've been following the discussion about the recent lack of Jupiter updates
with a bit of trepidation.

We've taken a lot of heat over "look how many firmware updates
there have been for this rig..." and the converse is "After three years,
there haven't been recent updates coming for this rig..." - that's hard to
win either way.  Yes, updates for the Orion will continue until some
future date.  No, we haven't done any updates for the Jupiter since
fall of '03 after three years of issuing them.  That doesn't mean we
won't do them in future, however.

Scott Robbins W4PA
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[KA5MIR]

  Seems to me like they are converging.  The hardware in each will have their 
individual features and limitations but the overall DSP concept seems to be 
a common goal.

  I think the biggest feature of Flex is PowerSDR.  With Flex's investment 
and excellent contributions by knowledgeable volunteers, who has better 
software?  I use other rigs, but always come back to the Panadapter/Spectrum 
Display in PowerSDR.  It is my visual connection into the previously only 
audible radio spectrum and the PowerSDR panadapter is great.  Is that too 
dramatic?  Just my opinion...

73',
Kent/KA5MIR


> >> The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
> >> ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
> >> still just traditional radios with computers in them.

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[k5nwa]

The main reason is most likely because that is how they want to do it.

But all these fine radios do not provide you with the information and 
source code so you could make your own modifications, a huge 
difference to many when compared to FlexRadio and their open 
development. Being open was a risky decision for Flex but it has 
allowed people on the outside to make contributions. History has 
shown that it was a good decision, not just for them but for owners 
of the SDR-1000 also.

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At 11:47 AM 4/13/2007, Alan NV8A wrote:
>On 04/13/07 11:04 am Jim Lux wrote:
>
> >> The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
> >> ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
> >> still just traditional radios with computers in them.
> >
> > Not entirely true.. my IC7000 does a lot of the same things that
> > PowerSDR does, in software..  True, it uses a different LO synthesis
> > scheme (PLLs and DDSes, rather than a single DDS) and a different IF
> > chain (several conversions, instead of one), but that's more to
> > address the wide tuning range needed... if you put a DEMI converter
> > on the front of a SDR1000 to get 2m, you've built yourself a double
> > conversion receiver.  Strip out the VHF,UHF, Wideband FM, and TV
> > functions of the IC7000 and you'd have an architecture that's quite
> > similar to the SDR1000.
> >
> > But, in terms of UI management method(software in both IC7000 and
> > PowerSDR) and baseband signal processing (DSP in both IC7000 and
> > PowerSDR, both of an "IF" that's in the 10-20 kHz range) they're the
> > same. Neither radio is an instance of the "computer turning the knobs
> > of a conventional analog rig" model (e.g. my old FT757)
> >
> > Probably the single biggest difference between the two is that you
> > can't change the software in the IC7000, because it's got equipment
> > authorization and the FCC won't allow it to be changeable to keep 
> that auth.
>
>
>Both the Icom IC-7800 and the Kenwood TS-2000 have user-upgradeable
>firmware, so why couldn't the IC-7000? (Others have mentioned the
>Ten-Tec models)
>
>73
>
>Alan NV8A

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Philip Covington]

On 4/13/07, Alan NV8A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 04/13/07 11:04 am Jim Lux wrote:
>
> >> The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
> >> ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
> >> still just traditional radios with computers in them.
> >
> > Not entirely true.. my IC7000 does a lot of the same things that
> > PowerSDR does, in software..  True, it uses a different LO synthesis
> > scheme (PLLs and DDSes, rather than a single DDS) and a different IF
> > chain (several conversions, instead of one), but that's more to
> > address the wide tuning range needed... if you put a DEMI converter
> > on the front of a SDR1000 to get 2m, you've built yourself a double
> > conversion receiver.  Strip out the VHF,UHF, Wideband FM, and TV
> > functions of the IC7000 and you'd have an architecture that's quite
> > similar to the SDR1000.
> >
> > But, in terms of UI management method(software in both IC7000 and
> > PowerSDR) and baseband signal processing (DSP in both IC7000 and
> > PowerSDR, both of an "IF" that's in the 10-20 kHz range) they're the
> > same. Neither radio is an instance of the "computer turning the knobs
> > of a conventional analog rig" model (e.g. my old FT757)
> >
> > Probably the single biggest difference between the two is that you
> > can't change the software in the IC7000, because it's got equipment
> > authorization and the FCC won't allow it to be changeable to keep that auth.
>
>
> Both the Icom IC-7800 and the Kenwood TS-2000 have user-upgradeable
> firmware, so why couldn't the IC-7000? (Others have mentioned the
> Ten-Tec models)
>
> 73
>
> Alan NV8A
>

Could it be the difference is that they don't provide enough
information to actually write your own firmware for those radios?  I
mean if you can't write the firmware yourself, you cannot change the
way the radio behaves ( ...that is, those things determined by the
firmware).

Phil N8VB

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Alan NV8A]

On 04/13/07 11:04 am Jim Lux wrote:

>> The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
>> ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
>> still just traditional radios with computers in them.
> 
> Not entirely true.. my IC7000 does a lot of the same things that 
> PowerSDR does, in software..  True, it uses a different LO synthesis 
> scheme (PLLs and DDSes, rather than a single DDS) and a different IF 
> chain (several conversions, instead of one), but that's more to 
> address the wide tuning range needed... if you put a DEMI converter 
> on the front of a SDR1000 to get 2m, you've built yourself a double 
> conversion receiver.  Strip out the VHF,UHF, Wideband FM, and TV 
> functions of the IC7000 and you'd have an architecture that's quite 
> similar to the SDR1000.
> 
> But, in terms of UI management method(software in both IC7000 and 
> PowerSDR) and baseband signal processing (DSP in both IC7000 and 
> PowerSDR, both of an "IF" that's in the 10-20 kHz range) they're the 
> same. Neither radio is an instance of the "computer turning the knobs 
> of a conventional analog rig" model (e.g. my old FT757)
> 
> Probably the single biggest difference between the two is that you 
> can't change the software in the IC7000, because it's got equipment 
> authorization and the FCC won't allow it to be changeable to keep that auth.


Both the Icom IC-7800 and the Kenwood TS-2000 have user-upgradeable 
firmware, so why couldn't the IC-7000? (Others have mentioned the 
Ten-Tec models)

73

Alan NV8A

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Lyle Johnson]

> Probably the single biggest difference between the two is that you 
> can't change the software in the IC7000, because it's got equipment 
> authorization and the FCC won't allow it to be changeable to keep that auth.

???

How does TenTec do it with the Orion, Jupiter, Argonaut V, ...  and 
still keep their authorization?

73,

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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with aradio in it

[Jim Lux]

At 07:38 AM 4/13/2007, Jeff Anderson wrote:
>We shouldn't forget that the flex *does* have an image (at 22 KHz), and that
>there can be image rejection issues if the signal at the image frequency is
>strong.  I've seen images from strong stations on the Flex panadapter
>display (and might have even heard one, a long time ago).  In a contest
>environment, with strong stations nearby, this problem could be exacerbated.

But, theoretically anyway, this can be fixed in the SDR1000... all it 
takes is a software mod (and a fairly simple one, to boot...).


>Nulling the software image-rejection helps at the frequency you're listening
>to, but image rejection worsens (on the spectrum display) as you shift the
>frequency of the image signal.
>
>- Jeff, K6JCA
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Duane - N9DG
>Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:17 AM
>To: Tim Ellison; Ray Andrews; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with
>aradio in it
>
>
>--- Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I totally agree.  The SDR is a different beast and you can
> > not use well
> > established "old world" standards to compare it by.  This,
> > along with
> > delineation of the difference between a radio with a
> > computer "in it"
> > rather than a computer "doing it" is also a big educational
> > process that has to be pushed forward.
>
>This fundamental conceptual difference is indeed lost by many
>out there in ham radio land. Those who try to frame Flex
>radio's competition as being in the same league as the Flex
>is in terms of computer integration simply haven't grasp this
>key differential concept.
>
>The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
>ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
>still just traditional radios with computers in them.
>
>Duane
>N9DG
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Jim Lux]

At 07:16 AM 4/13/2007, Duane - N9DG wrote:
>--- Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I totally agree.  The SDR is a different beast and you can
> > not use well
> > established "old world" standards to compare it by.  This,
> > along with
> > delineation of the difference between a radio with a
> > computer "in it"
> > rather than a computer "doing it" is also a big educational
> > process that has to be pushed forward.
>
>This fundamental conceptual difference is indeed lost by many
>out there in ham radio land. Those who try to frame Flex
>radio's competition as being in the same league as the Flex
>is in terms of computer integration simply haven't grasp this
>key differential concept.
>
>The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
>ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
>still just traditional radios with computers in them.

Not entirely true.. my IC7000 does a lot of the same things that 
PowerSDR does, in software..  True, it uses a different LO synthesis 
scheme (PLLs and DDSes, rather than a single DDS) and a different IF 
chain (several conversions, instead of one), but that's more to 
address the wide tuning range needed... if you put a DEMI converter 
on the front of a SDR1000 to get 2m, you've built yourself a double 
conversion receiver.  Strip out the VHF,UHF, Wideband FM, and TV 
functions of the IC7000 and you'd have an architecture that's quite 
similar to the SDR1000.

But, in terms of UI management method(software in both IC7000 and 
PowerSDR) and baseband signal processing (DSP in both IC7000 and 
PowerSDR, both of an "IF" that's in the 10-20 kHz range) they're the 
same. Neither radio is an instance of the "computer turning the knobs 
of a conventional analog rig" model (e.g. my old FT757)

Probably the single biggest difference between the two is that you 
can't change the software in the IC7000, because it's got equipment 
authorization and the FCC won't allow it to be changeable to keep that auth.




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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with aradio in it

[Bob McGwier]

This issue will be completely eliminated soon for both SDR-1000 and Flex 
5000 series.  You gotta love software radio.

Bob
N4HY

Jeff Anderson wrote:
> We shouldn't forget that the flex *does* have an image (at 22 KHz), and that
> there can be image rejection issues if the signal at the image frequency is
> strong.  I've seen images from strong stations on the Flex panadapter
> display (and might have even heard one, a long time ago).  In a contest
> environment, with strong stations nearby, this problem could be exacerbated.
>
> Nulling the software image-rejection helps at the frequency you're listening
> to, but image rejection worsens (on the spectrum display) as you shift the
> frequency of the image signal.
>
> - Jeff, K6JCA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Duane - N9DG
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:17 AM
> To: Tim Ellison; Ray Andrews; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with
> aradio in it
>
>
> --- Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I totally agree.  The SDR is a different beast and you can
>> not use well
>> established "old world" standards to compare it by.  This,
>> along with
>> delineation of the difference between a radio with a
>> computer "in it"
>> rather than a computer "doing it" is also a big educational
>> process that has to be pushed forward.
>> 
>
> This fundamental conceptual difference is indeed lost by many
> out there in ham radio land. Those who try to frame Flex
> radio's competition as being in the same league as the Flex
> is in terms of computer integration simply haven't grasp this
> key differential concept.
>
> The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
> ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
> still just traditional radios with computers in them.
>
> Duane
> N9DG
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with aradio in it

[Jeff Anderson]

We shouldn't forget that the flex *does* have an image (at 22 KHz), and that
there can be image rejection issues if the signal at the image frequency is
strong.  I've seen images from strong stations on the Flex panadapter
display (and might have even heard one, a long time ago).  In a contest
environment, with strong stations nearby, this problem could be exacerbated.

Nulling the software image-rejection helps at the frequency you're listening
to, but image rejection worsens (on the spectrum display) as you shift the
frequency of the image signal.

- Jeff, K6JCA

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:17 AM
To: Tim Ellison; Ray Andrews; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with
aradio in it


--- Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I totally agree.  The SDR is a different beast and you can
> not use well
> established "old world" standards to compare it by.  This,
> along with
> delineation of the difference between a radio with a
> computer "in it"
> rather than a computer "doing it" is also a big educational
> process that has to be pushed forward.

This fundamental conceptual difference is indeed lost by many
out there in ham radio land. Those who try to frame Flex
radio's competition as being in the same league as the Flex
is in terms of computer integration simply haven't grasp this
key differential concept.

The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
still just traditional radios with computers in them.

Duane
N9DG


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Re: [Flexradio] Radio with a computer in it vs. a computer with a radio in it

[Duane - N9DG]

--- Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I totally agree.  The SDR is a different beast and you can
> not use well
> established "old world" standards to compare it by.  This,
> along with
> delineation of the difference between a radio with a
> computer "in it"
> rather than a computer "doing it" is also a big educational
> process that has to be pushed forward.

This fundamental conceptual difference is indeed lost by many
out there in ham radio land. Those who try to frame Flex
radio's competition as being in the same league as the Flex
is in terms of computer integration simply haven't grasp this
key differential concept.

The Flex models are in a league all of their own for factory
ready transceivers. The traditional "big 4" models are all
still just traditional radios with computers in them.

Duane
N9DG


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Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

[Jeff Anderson]

Hi Willi (& others who've replied) - 
 
Yes, I indeed hear relays clicking whenever I change the preamp settings.  Sometimes, though, I think it might be the wrong relay that I hear (sometimes there seems to be a louder click than usual)!
 
The problem doesn't go away after a few minutes, but will randomly occur (when changing preamp settings, for example) during the course of operation.
 
- Jeff, WA6AHLWilli Reppel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Hi Jeff,
 
I had the same problems before using the parallel/USB adapter. Make sure that you can hear relay clicks from the black box when stepping through the preamp. from position off to high and back to off. Each step must be accompanied by a  relay click. 
 
Willi

- Original Message - 
From: ab7r 
To: Jeff Anderson ; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

Something similar happened to me only when using the parallel cable.  Sometimes when turning on the radio from standby my audio level would be very low as if not connected to anything.  I would have to click some band button 1 or 2 times before I would get anything.  After returning to the parallel/USB adapter it has NOT happened at all.
 
Greg
AB7R
 

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff AndersonSent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:20 PMTo: FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation
Hi Eric,
 
I just got home from work and ran some additional tests...
 
The radio continues to drop into "very low level" receive mode even at half-an-hour following power-up. Some things that can "randomly" cause it to drop into low-level mode:
 
1.  Changing the preamp gain (med to hight, low to med, hi to med...etc.).  This is my most consistent method of causing the failure.
2.  Clicking MOX on/off).
3.  Changing bands (60 meters to 40 meters, for example).
 
Changing bands (or clicking MOX on/off) can also cause the low-level to correct itself to the normal receive level.
 
It can occur on different bands (80, 60, and 40 meters were the bands I checked).
 
Clicking the ON/Standby button twice (or any number of times) seems to have no effect.
 
My suspicion is that a band relay is incorrectly opening, due to...a yet-to-be-determined cause.
 
The Computer is still virgin - I don't even have it connected to the internet, yet.   And the only programs on it are those that were installed at FlexRadio.  Nothing is attached to the parallel port except for the radio.
 
- Jeff
 

-Original Message-From: Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:01 AMTo: 'Jeff Anderson'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: RE: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

Jeff,
 
As I recall your radio had a Dell configured with it.  We have seen the issue you described after a fresh reboot.  It seems to happen a few times and then it stops even on my production machine here.  We are not sure what causes this, but it seems like some kind of a startup situation here.  If you are seeing it past that, then it would make me wonder about other possible software interactions with the parallel port.
 
What other software have you loaded on the machine since it arrived?  Anything that would be polling the parallel port?  This can cause problems with our hardware as polling certain pins could prompt the radio to think it is receiving control data (thus flipping relays).  This would typically result in the receiver dropping out without any interaction from the user (seemingly random).
 
More info may be needed to figure out exactly what is happening.  Does it always happen on the same band?  Does going to another band always clear it up?  Does clicking the On/Standby button twice clear it up?  You can use the schematics on the private download page to trace the filter switches on the RFE, and the BPF boards.
 
 
Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems
 
 

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff AndersonSent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:51 AMTo: FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation
 

I received my SDR over the weekend and finally got it up and running Monday (advice to Flex-Radio:  please include DC Power cable *and* a female-to-female stereo adapter when shipping the radio.  This will save an unanticipated trip to the store and much grumbling).

 

Very cool radio and I'm having lots of fun playing with it and programming my ShufflePro.  However, I am experiencing an annoying problem.

 

Sometimes, as I step through the bands (typically I go from 40, through 60, to 80 meters, and vice-versa), the radio suddenly goes deaf (signals become very very weak).  I'll need to cycle through the bands a number of times before the signals return to t

Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

[Willi Reppel]

Hi Jeff,
 
I had the same problems before using the 
parallel/USB adapter. Make sure that you can hear relay clicks from the black 
box when stepping through the preamp. from position off to high and back to off. 
Each step must be accompanied by a  relay click. 
 
Willi

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ab7r 
  To: Jeff Anderson ; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz 
  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:26 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio has 
  arrived - strange operation
  
  Something similar happened to me only when using the parallel 
  cable.  Sometimes when turning on the radio from standby my audio level 
  would be very low as if not connected to anything.  I would have to click 
  some band button 1 or 2 times before I would get anything.  After 
  returning to the parallel/USB adapter it has NOT happened at 
  all.
   
  Greg
  AB7R
   
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff 
AndersonSent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:20 PMTo: 
FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio has 
arrived - strange operation
Hi 
Eric,
 
I 
just got home from work and ran some additional tests...
 
The radio continues to drop into "very low level" 
receive mode even at half-an-hour following 
power-up. Some things that can "randomly" cause 
it to drop into low-level mode:
 
1.  Changing the preamp gain (med to hight, 
low to med, hi to med...etc.).  This is my most consistent method of 
causing the failure.
2.  Clicking MOX on/off).
3.  Changing bands (60 meters to 40 meters, 
for example).
 
Changing bands (or clicking MOX on/off) can also 
cause the low-level to correct itself to the normal receive 
level.
 
It 
can occur on different bands (80, 60, and 40 meters were the bands I 
checked).
 
Clicking the ON/Standby button twice (or any number 
of times) seems to have no effect.
 
My 
suspicion is that a band relay is incorrectly opening, due to...a 
yet-to-be-determined cause.
 
The Computer is still virgin - I don't even have it 
connected to the internet, yet.   And the only programs on it are 
those that were installed at FlexRadio.  Nothing is attached to the 
parallel port except for the radio.
 
- 
Jeff
 

  -Original Message-From: Eric Wachsmann - 
  FlexRadio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 
  09, 2005 10:01 AMTo: 'Jeff Anderson'; 
  FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: RE: [Flexradio] Radio has 
  arrived - strange operation
  
  Jeff,
   
  As I recall your 
  radio had a Dell configured with it.  
  We have seen the issue you described after a fresh reboot.  It seems to happen a few times and 
  then it stops even on my production machine here.  We are not sure what causes this, 
  but it seems like some kind of a startup situation here.  If you are seeing it past that, 
  then it would make me wonder about other possible software interactions 
  with the parallel port.
   
  What other 
  software have you loaded on the machine since it arrived?  Anything that 
  would be polling the parallel port?  This can cause problems with our 
  hardware as polling certain pins could prompt the radio to think it is 
  receiving control data (thus flipping relays).  This would typically result in the 
  receiver dropping out without any interaction from the user (seemingly 
  random).
   
  More info may be 
  needed to figure out exactly what is happening.  Does it always happen on the same 
  band?  Does going to another 
  band always clear it up?  Does 
  clicking the On/Standby button twice clear it up?  You can use the schematics on the 
  private download page to trace the filter switches on the RFE, and the BPF 
  boards.
   
   
  Eric 
  Wachsmann
  FlexRadio 
  Systems
   
   
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Jeff 
  AndersonSent: Wednesday, 
  November 09, 2005 11:51 AMTo: 
  FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: [Flexradio] Radio has 
  arrived - strange operation
   
  
  I received my SDR over the weekend and finally got 
  it up and running Monday (advice to Flex-Radio:  please include DC 
  Power cable *and* a female-to-female stereo adapter when shipping the 
  radio.  This will save an unanticipated trip to the store and 
  much grumbling).
  
   
  
  Very cool radio and I'm having lots of fun playing 
  with it and programming my ShufflePro.  However, I am experiencing an 
  annoying problem.
  
   
  
  Sometimes, as I step through the bands 
 

Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

[john_eckert]

I reported this when preview 2 was released.  It does not happen in preview 1.

Symptom: After reboot when Power SDR is started, it toggles between tx and rx 
several times and then reverts to normal operation after a few seconds. The 
amplifier t/r line also toggles.

73,
k2ox

Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

[ab7r]

Something similar happened to me only when using the parallel 
cable.  Sometimes when turning on the radio from standby my audio level 
would be very low as if not connected to anything.  I would have to click 
some band button 1 or 2 times before I would get anything.  After returning 
to the parallel/USB adapter it has NOT happened at all.
 
Greg
AB7R
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff 
  AndersonSent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:20 PMTo: 
  FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived 
  - strange operation
  Hi 
  Eric,
   
  I 
  just got home from work and ran some additional tests...
   
  The 
  radio continues to drop into "very low level" receive mode even 
  at half-an-hour following power-up. Some things 
  that can "randomly" cause it to drop into low-level 
  mode:
   
  1.  Changing the preamp gain (med to hight, low 
  to med, hi to med...etc.).  This is my most consistent method of causing 
  the failure.
  2.  Clicking MOX on/off).
  3.  Changing bands (60 meters to 40 meters, for 
  example).
   
  Changing bands (or clicking MOX on/off) can also 
  cause the low-level to correct itself to the normal receive 
  level.
   
  It 
  can occur on different bands (80, 60, and 40 meters were the bands I 
  checked).
   
  Clicking the ON/Standby button twice (or any number 
  of times) seems to have no effect.
   
  My 
  suspicion is that a band relay is incorrectly opening, due to...a 
  yet-to-be-determined cause.
   
  The 
  Computer is still virgin - I don't even have it connected to the internet, 
  yet.   And the only programs on it are those that were installed at 
  FlexRadio.  Nothing is attached to the parallel port except for the 
  radio.
   
  - 
  Jeff
   
  
-Original Message-From: Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 
10:01 AMTo: 'Jeff Anderson'; 
    FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: RE: [Flexradio] Radio has 
arrived - strange operation

Jeff,
 
As I recall your 
radio had a Dell configured with it.  
We have seen the issue you described after a fresh reboot.  It seems to happen a few times and 
then it stops even on my production machine here.  We are not sure what causes this, 
but it seems like some kind of a startup situation here.  If you are seeing it past that, then 
it would make me wonder about other possible software interactions with the 
parallel port.
 
What other software 
have you loaded on the machine since it arrived?  Anything that 
would be polling the parallel port?  This can cause problems with our 
hardware as polling certain pins could prompt the radio to think it is 
receiving control data (thus flipping relays).  This would typically result in the 
receiver dropping out without any interaction from the user (seemingly 
random).
 
More info may be 
needed to figure out exactly what is happening.  Does it always happen on the same 
band?  Does going to another 
band always clear it up?  Does 
clicking the On/Standby button twice clear it up?  You can use the schematics on the 
private download page to trace the filter switches on the RFE, and the BPF 
boards.
 
 
Eric 
Wachsmann
FlexRadio 
Systems
 
 

-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Jeff 
AndersonSent: Wednesday, 
November 09, 2005 11:51 AMTo: 
FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived 
- strange operation
 

I received my SDR over the weekend and finally got 
it up and running Monday (advice to Flex-Radio:  please include DC 
Power cable *and* a female-to-female stereo adapter when shipping the 
radio.  This will save an unanticipated trip to the store and 
much grumbling).

 

Very cool radio and I'm having lots of fun playing 
with it and programming my ShufflePro.  However, I am experiencing an 
annoying problem.

 

Sometimes, as I step through the bands 
(typically I go from 40, through 60, to 80 meters, and vice-versa), the 
radio suddenly goes deaf (signals become very very weak).  I'll need to 
cycle through the bands a number of times before the signals return to 
their normal levels.  Very frustrating, especially when it happens a 
number of times throughout the evening.

 

My guess is that there's something flakey in 
the band-switching relays (flakey contacts or poor drive to a 
relay or incorrect relay decoding), but  I wanted to check if 
there were any known software bugs which might cause this 
problem.

 

If it's a problem with the relays - is there some 
way I can d

Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

[Jeff Anderson]

Hi 
Eric,
 
I just 
got home from work and ran some additional tests...
 
The 
radio continues to drop into "very low level" receive mode even 
at half-an-hour following power-up. Some things 
that can "randomly" cause it to drop into low-level 
mode:
 
1.  Changing the preamp gain (med to hight, low to 
med, hi to med...etc.).  This is my most consistent method of causing the 
failure.
2.  Clicking MOX on/off).
3.  Changing bands (60 meters to 40 meters, for 
example).
 
Changing bands (or clicking MOX on/off) can also cause 
the low-level to correct itself to the normal receive level.
 
It can 
occur on different bands (80, 60, and 40 meters were the bands I 
checked).
 
Clicking the ON/Standby button twice (or any number of 
times) seems to have no effect.
 
My 
suspicion is that a band relay is incorrectly opening, due to...a 
yet-to-be-determined cause.
 
The 
Computer is still virgin - I don't even have it connected to the internet, 
yet.   And the only programs on it are those that were installed at 
FlexRadio.  Nothing is attached to the parallel port except for the 
radio.
 
- 
Jeff
 

  -Original Message-From: Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 
  10:01 AMTo: 'Jeff Anderson'; 
  FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: RE: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived 
  - strange operation
  
  Jeff,
   
  As I recall your 
  radio had a Dell configured with it.  
  We have seen the issue you described after a fresh reboot.  It seems to happen a few times and 
  then it stops even on my production machine here.  We are not sure what causes this, but 
  it seems like some kind of a startup situation here.  If you are seeing it past that, then 
  it would make me wonder about other possible software interactions with the 
  parallel port.
   
  What other software 
  have you loaded on the machine since it arrived?  Anything that would 
  be polling the parallel port?  
  This can cause problems with our hardware as polling certain pins could 
  prompt the radio to think it is receiving control data (thus flipping 
  relays).  This would typically 
  result in the receiver dropping out without any interaction from the user 
  (seemingly random).
   
  More info may be 
  needed to figure out exactly what is happening.  Does it always happen on the same 
  band?  Does going to another band 
  always clear it up?  Does clicking 
  the On/Standby button twice clear it up?  
  You can use the schematics on the private download page to trace the 
  filter switches on the RFE, and the BPF boards.
   
   
  Eric 
  Wachsmann
  FlexRadio 
  Systems
   
   
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Jeff 
  AndersonSent: Wednesday, 
  November 09, 2005 11:51 AMTo: FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizSubject: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - 
  strange operation
   
  
  I received my SDR over the weekend and finally got it 
  up and running Monday (advice to Flex-Radio:  please include DC Power 
  cable *and* a female-to-female stereo adapter when shipping the radio.  
  This will save an unanticipated trip to the store and 
  much grumbling).
  
   
  
  Very cool radio and I'm having lots of fun playing 
  with it and programming my ShufflePro.  However, I am experiencing an 
  annoying problem.
  
   
  
  Sometimes, as I step through the bands 
  (typically I go from 40, through 60, to 80 meters, and vice-versa), the radio 
  suddenly goes deaf (signals become very very weak).  I'll need to cycle 
  through the bands a number of times before the signals return to their 
  normal levels.  Very frustrating, especially when it happens a number of 
  times throughout the evening.
  
   
  
  My guess is that there's something flakey in the 
  band-switching relays (flakey contacts or poor drive to a relay or 
  incorrect relay decoding), but  I wanted to check if there were any 
  known software bugs which might cause this 
  problem.
  
   
  
  If it's a problem with the relays - is there some way 
  I can determine which one?  Which relays are turned on at what 
  times?
  
   
  
  Thanks!
  
   
  
  - Jeff, WA6AHL
  
   

Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

[Simon Brown \(HB9DRV\)]

FWIW in Ham Radio Deluxe I have a small window 
which monitors the parallel port, even better you could run Portmon from www.sysinternals.com which will tell you 
if anything is toggling the parallel port. Portmon will also highlight errors 
which will be of great interest to Eric.
 
Simon Brown---www.hb9drv.ch www.laax.ch

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Eric Wachsmann 
  - FlexRadio 
  
  
  Jeff,
   
  As I recall your 
  radio had a Dell configured with it.  
  We have seen the issue you described after a fresh reboot.  It seems to happen a few times and 
  then it stops even on my production machine here.  We are not sure what causes this, but 
  it seems like some kind of a startup situation here.  If you are seeing it past that, then 
  it would make me wonder about other possible software interactions with the 
  parallel port.

Re: [Flexradio] Radio has arrived - strange operation

[Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio]

Jeff,

 

As I recall your radio had a Dell
configured with it.  We have seen
the issue you described after a fresh reboot.  It seems to happen a few times and then
it stops even on my production machine here.  We are not sure what causes this, but it
seems like some kind of a startup situation here.  If you are seeing it past that, then it
would make me wonder about other possible software interactions with the
parallel port.

 

What other software have you loaded on the
machine since it arrived?  Anything that would be polling the parallel port?  This can cause problems with our
hardware as polling certain pins could prompt the radio to think it is
receiving control data (thus flipping relays).  This would typically result in the
receiver dropping out without any interaction from the user (seemingly random).

 

More info may be needed to figure out
exactly what is happening.  Does it
always happen on the same band? 
Does going to another band always clear it up?  Does clicking the On/Standby button
twice clear it up?  You can use the
schematics on the private download page to trace the filter switches on the
RFE, and the BPF boards.

 

 

Eric Wachsmann

FlexRadio Systems

 

 



-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005
11:51 AM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Radio has
arrived - strange operation

 



I received my SDR over the weekend and finally got it up and running
Monday (advice to Flex-Radio:  please include DC Power cable *and* a
female-to-female stereo adapter when shipping the radio.  This will save
an unanticipated trip to the store and much grumbling).





 





Very cool radio and I'm having lots of fun playing with it and
programming my ShufflePro.  However, I am experiencing an annoying
problem.





 





Sometimes, as I step through the bands (typically I go from
40, through 60, to 80 meters, and vice-versa), the radio suddenly goes deaf
(signals become very very weak).  I'll need to cycle through the bands a
number of times before the signals return to their normal levels. 
Very frustrating, especially when it happens a number of times throughout the
evening.





 





My guess is that there's something flakey in the
band-switching relays (flakey contacts or poor drive to a relay or
incorrect relay decoding), but  I wanted to check if there were any
known software bugs which might cause this problem.





 





If it's a problem with the relays - is there some way I can determine
which one?  Which relays are turned on at what times?





 





Thanks!





 





- Jeff, WA6AHL