FLUXLIST: Re: by the by...
Isn't tintinnabulation from Edgar Allen Poe's The Bells? ...and the tintinnabulation that so musically swells from the bells... Noisily, Melissa great quote, melissa. it comes from the latin tintinnare to tinkle from tinnire to ring think of tinnitus (ringing in the ears) tinny tin pan alley of course, poe and baudelaire were great drinking c buddies. i always thought the best thing about poe was baudelaire. my 'ti Bob cites Balzac (1839) : 'un paquet de breloques tintinnabulant' but i really liked barbara cartland, bertrand m.
FLUXLIST: Re: covers
hi tomaz, yes the address book is for everyone on FLUXLIST and i hope you will participate. FLUXLIST ADDRESS BOOK the size is 3x5 inches and the deadline is 01 april. everyone participating makes a front and back cover. send it to me, be sure to send your address to: (phone number and web site address optional) carol starr p.o. box 2472 taos, nm 87571 usa then...i print and assemble the books and send them to the participants. you receive a different cover than the one you make. also i am planning to photograph all the covers to put on a web site so everyone can see all of them. bests, carol :) xoxo tomáz wrote: Hi Carol, you wrote: andonly two covers so far so get busy everyone. i might have missed this; you want people to make a cover? i have read some mailings about it, but i didn't know it was addressed to everyone. I could have a try, if only I knew a little more. hope I can help, byebye = tomáz -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: covers
FLUXLIST ADDRESS BOOK the size is 3x5 inches and the deadline is 01 april. what's that in centimetres? sheepish grins and best wishes from the freeformfreakout organisation mathematical duffers div. europe
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: covers
oh alan, is 7.62x12.7 the correct answer? from carol who is s bad at math. bests, xxoo alan bowman wrote: FLUXLIST ADDRESS BOOK the size is 3x5 inches and the deadline is 01 april. what's that in centimetres? sheepish grins and best wishes from the freeformfreakout organisation mathematical duffers div. europe -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: covers
it is, according to my super-advanced-centimeter-and-inch-ruler... did i already tell you my address?? xomaaike --- On Sun 03/03, Carol Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh alan, > > is 7.62x12.7 the correct answer? > > from carol who is s bad at math. > > bests, xxoo > > alan bowman wrote: > > > > > > > FLUXLIST ADDRESS BOOK > > > > > > the size is 3x5 inches and the deadline is > > > 01 april. > > > > what's that in centimetres? > > > > sheepish grins and best wishes from > > > > the freeformfreakout organisation mathematical duffers div. > > europe >
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #111
cecil wrote: Fluxus, all things Fluxist are now the property of The FluxNexus The FluxNexus is a self generating, self validating, loose association of artists, non-artists and anti-artists who work in, study, produce or live in a Fluxist manor cecil, where is the fluxlist manor? is there a pond i can fish in? rolling green lawns and apple trees? or did you mean in a fluxlist manner, in which case i'm upset, because it Should have a manor and if there were a manor, eric anderson would certainly have a room in it, would he not? max __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetingsyahoocom
FLUXLIST: Re: pop quiz
Thank you for submitting a proposal for our conference. The selection committee has asked me to inform you regretfully that it has been rejected since, although strong in its own terms, its relevance to the theme of the conference is unclear. Issues of consciousness appear to form no significant part of your abstract. Regards Kay
FLUXLIST: Re: clock event
Well, if we're talking symetry, what about 110 years from now at 9:12pm, december 21, 2112? 21:12, 21/12, 2112 Isn't that possible? Or am I missing something?? Do we need to have zeros in the middle? Also, I never understood why but in the US we do mm/dd/ instead of following the rest of the world with dd/mm/, so we will be at 20:02 02/20 2002- which is still a palindrome in any case. Speaking of: go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog! -abbi-gail
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: clock event / dbc
forwarding from david baptiste chirot (per his request) his latest mail art call which speaks to the upcoming event: MAIL ART CALL Dear Fellow Fluxlist, Sound and Visual Poetry and Mail Art Workers: Greetings and all best in art and life -- 2002 has arrived -- the Panlindromatic Year -- reading backward and forward the same. The Panindromatic Day is thus: 20/02/2002. Let us contemplate, question and create with this event! The palindrome is both coming and going at the same time. Is it a self-contained mirror -- or an infinite series? -- what is its chaos and what its order? Is it a trick, a game -- or a profound revelation? What are its qualities and evidences -- in language, sound, vision and life? Does the palindrome get us anywhere -- or everywhere? Is it a unity and a splitting at once? Is it yin/yang? Is it a mandala, a round, a mantra -- is it perpetual motion or dead stop? 2002: The Palindromatic Year. Please send works on the theme, sizes A4 and less, in any media -- originals or copies. The first deadline is the Palindromatic Day 20/02/2002. The second deadline is the end of the Palindromatic Year. Documentation to follow. Until further notice, please send to: David Baptiste Chirot c/o Jean Dean 2874 N. 52nd Milwaukee, WI. 53210
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #97
Sol, Call me pedantic. (Pause for you to say pedantic) but I'm subscribing to the digest and keep getting things in triplicate. Long long messages repeated over and over again... do I just have to put up with this (which I'm happy to do) or is there something my browser doesn't do that others do. Carol, I've lost... a) my keys.. That's irrelevant but I was hoping for some pity... and b) my wallet.. on two seperate occasions this week. But my point is that I want to send my cover and details on to you but it might be delayed... If so can I send you instructions for making my cover (only if it gets too late.) Do the skanky chicken Pete _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #97
hi pete, the deadline is 01 april won't that be enough time? also consider this; i don't take instruction very well (so i've been told and i believe it). i hope you find your keys and your wallet, when things like that happen to me i pray to saint anthony. in the meantime i haven't done my homework and class is tomorrow. bests, carol :) xoxo NP: moonage daydream-david bowie Carol, I've lost... a) my keys.. That's irrelevant but I was hoping for some pity... and b) my wallet.. on two seperate occasions this week. But my point is that I want to send my cover and details on to you but it might be delayed... If so can I send you instructions for making my cover (only if it gets too late.) Do the skanky chicken Pete _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
FLUXLIST: Re: 52 events
What, pray tell, is Anarcho-dandyist Art? Is a special hat needed? Or is this a term that makes sense in England, but not in America? No this term doesn't make sense in England but then again the review is from a Scottish newspaper. So it may be a term in use in Scotland but I doubt it...I think its invented for the article...it's a good word though and bereft of any meaning at all I'd imagine since anarchism and the socio-political ideas of the dandy are mutually exclusive. See, I think I am missing something. In America, a dandy is a nicely-dressed effeminate man, although I think use of that term went out decades ago. Do these people have socio-political ideas in England? Some special hats for your consideration: http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/images/chapmelon.gif http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/images/chapeauclaque.gif http://users.rcn.com/xmel2/joel/joel6-12.html http://www.babybeehats.com/duck.jpg http://www.babybeehats.com/prairie_bonnet.jpg http://www.milliner.co.uk/images/thm_ssl.jpg http://www.australiagift.com/golf_shop/hat.htm http://woodwool.tripod.com/images/Strawberrybg.JPG http://www.mikethehatter.com/img/leopard.jpg http://www.mikethehatter.com/img/7012.jpg http://www.yarranet.net.au/phill/images/hat/hat_06_lil_me.jpg -Josh Ronsen, not nicely-dressed, not effeminate, not wearing a hat Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: hats
hi josh and allen, thanks for the hats; i have a hat collection and it makes me want to do something with them. like wear them? or do an i-zone with them. i like allen's headgear very much and his clowning around with them. i almost knitted that strawberry hat and still have the directions for it around here somewhere. bests, carol :) xxoo -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
FLUXLIST: Re: 52 events
Fluxus, whose membership famously included Yoko Ono, can be seen in retrospect as one of the key postwar art movements; a continuation of Surrealism and Dadaism, and the launching pad for Conceptual, Installation and Anarcho-dandyist Art. What, pray tell, is Anarcho-dandyist Art? Is a special hat needed? Or is this a term that makes sense in England, but not in America? -Josh Ronsen in America Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: address book
Hi Carol, That sounds really nice... can I join? please? Here's my address: Maaike de Laat - The Institute of Unlikely Interaction - Nieuwstraat 95A 9724 KJ Groningen The Netherlands - Maaike - http://www.onwaarschijnlijk.org - --- On Jan 23, 2002, Carol Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi dan, > > every address book will need a cover so once the exact size is decided all > the > happy cover makers around the world could make one! i like the velvet > and > burlap too. don't recall the trapper notebooks but gluing fabric on > cardboard is full of possibilities. of course if all those > participating > make a cover then the address book each receives would have a cover made > by > someone else.just rambling on here. > > all input greatly appreciated. > > bests, carol :) > xxoo > >
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: address book
I've been gone but now I'm back and I'd sure like to get in on this one. I make covers with denim... ex posto facto p.o. box 495522 garland, tx 75049-5522 usa --- (Maaike) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HR Hi Carol,br / br / That sounds really nice... can I join? please?br / Here's my address:br / br / Maaike de Laatbr / - The Institute of Unlikely Interaction -br / Nieuwstraat 95Abr / 9724 KJ Groningenbr / The Netherlandsbr / br / br / - Maaikebr / -br / http://www.onwaarschijnlijk.orgbr / -br / br / br / --- On Jan 23, 2002, Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:br / hi dan,br / br / every address book will need a cover so once the exact size is decided allbr / thebr / happy cover makers around the world could make one! i like the velvetbr / andbr / burlap too. don't recall the trapper notebooks but gluing fabric onbr / cardboard is full of possibilities. of course if all thosebr / participatingbr / make a cover then the address book each receives would have a cover madebr / bybr / someone else.just rambling on here.br / br / all input greatly appreciated.br / br / bests, carol :)br / xxoobr / br / br / br / br / hr = Life is like licking honey off a thorn. --Louis Adamic __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
FLUXLIST: Re: address book
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Don't worry, the bama address is my folks, they'll
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FLUXLIST: Re: address book
hi all, i have received several addresses off list; thanks to those that have sent them. one person suggested: any other data you want to put in? I would suggest names of projects /or organizations thumbnail photo any more ideas on that? what about the cover? i was thinking since it is small perhaps leather would be nice. or maybe canvas??? bests, carol :) xxoo -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: address book
Hello! So i've moved to L.A., and although i'm still officially homeless, i have found my next apartment. Starting Feb. 1'st my address will be: Robert Fontenot 682 s. Irolo st. #208 Los Angeles, CA 90005 USA I don't have my new phone number, or else i'd give you that to. cheers, -r __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeing new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: address book
Carol, Does anyone else remember those Trapper Keeper notebooks that were sort of cardboard with thin canvassy stuff glued on them? That would be cool. Or burlap. Or velvet! Oh, nevermind. Dan At 05:48 PM 1/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: hi all, i have received several addresses off list; thanks to those that have sent them. one person suggested: any other data you want to put in? I would suggest names of projects /or organizations thumbnail photo any more ideas on that? what about the cover? i was thinking since it is small perhaps leather would be nice. or maybe canvas??? bests, carol :) xxoo -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: address book
hi dan, every address book will need a cover so once the exact size is decided all the happy cover makers around the world could make one! i like the velvet and burlap too. don't recall the trapper notebooks but gluing fabric on cardboard is full of possibilities. of course if all those participating make a cover then the address book each receives would have a cover made by someone else.just rambling on here. all input greatly appreciated. bests, carol :) xxoo Dan Holmes wrote: Carol, Does anyone else remember those Trapper Keeper notebooks that were sort of cardboard with thin canvassy stuff glued on them? That would be cool. Or burlap. Or velvet! Oh, nevermind. Dan At 05:48 PM 1/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: hi all, i have received several addresses off list; thanks to those that have sent them. one person suggested: any other data you want to put in? I would suggest names of projects /or organizations thumbnail photo any more ideas on that? what about the cover? i was thinking since it is small perhaps leather would be nice. or maybe canvas??? bests, carol :) xxoo -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: address book
Carol, True... true... college has taught me so little. ;) Dan At 08:09 PM 1/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: hi dan, every address book will need a cover so once the exact size is decided all the happy cover makers around the world could make one! i like the velvet and burlap too. don't recall the trapper notebooks but gluing fabric on cardboard is full of possibilities. of course if all those participating make a cover then the address book each receives would have a cover made by someone else.just rambling on here. all input greatly appreciated. bests, carol :) xxoo Dan Holmes wrote: Carol, Does anyone else remember those Trapper Keeper notebooks that were sort of cardboard with thin canvassy stuff glued on them? That would be cool. Or burlap. Or velvet! Oh, nevermind. Dan At 05:48 PM 1/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: hi all, i have received several addresses off list; thanks to those that have sent them. one person suggested: any other data you want to put in? I would suggest names of projects /or organizations thumbnail photo any more ideas on that? what about the cover? i was thinking since it is small perhaps leather would be nice. or maybe canvas??? bests, carol :) xxoo -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: happiness is a warm puppy
Cute XXX Roger
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: attachments
Carol, One more step. Go to Options and change Format pull-down menu from Plain Text Only to Plain Text and HTML. Or, HTML only. Don't keep it that way or the Pine and Elm people will be unhappy.
FLUXLIST: Re: happiness is a warm puppy
hi all, after much fussing and much assistance those who so desire may see my puppy 'tenshi'. i think she is adorable and s much fun. http://laplaza.org/~totem/t.jpg http://laplaza.org/~totem/t2.jpg http://laplaza.org/~totem/t3.jpg http://laplaza.org/~totem/t4.jpg very bests, carol xxoo -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
FLUXLIST: Re: attachments
hi all, i have tried to send a photo i have scanned as a jpg and it comes through as sent mail on my computer but never gets to fluxlist. anyone have any suggestions? thanks, carol :) -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
FLUXLIST: Re: What FLUXLIST poetry compilation?
Perhaps Reed is referring to this: After the success of Fluxlist's Happy New Ears a collection of Fluxus inspired poetry we decided to do a second - with not only poetry but any creative writing (event scores, etc) inspired by Fluxus. I am the compiler of the new work Unfortunately my hard drive exploded and I lost everything that was on my computer, including all fluxy entries so far. (sorry, Reed and everyone who sent things) So - I am extending the deadline to JUNE 1st 2002 and requesting you re-send entries or just send new stuff. The physical manifestation of this project will be a book 11 1/2 inches X 4 1/4 (A4) and hopefully there will be a web version too. Perhaps someone could remind everyone of the current web address of Happy New Ears as I've lost that too. Needless to say, I am now regularly backing up my files. Yours in Flux Roger what FLUXLIST poetry compilation? Reed Altemus wrote: FLUXLIST poetry compilation?
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: What FLUXLIST poetry compilation?
so your saying the content is open-ended? how many poems can you send? Roger Stevens wrote: Perhaps Reed is referring to this: After the success of Fluxlist's Happy New Ears a collection of Fluxus inspired poetry we decided to do a second - with not only poetry but any creative writing (event scores, etc) inspired by Fluxus. I am the compiler of the new work Unfortunately my hard drive exploded and I lost everything that was on my computer, including all fluxy entries so far. (sorry, Reed and everyone who sent things) So - I am extending the deadline to JUNE 1st 2002 and requesting you re-send entries or just send new stuff. The physical manifestation of this project will be a book 11 1/2 inches X 4 1/4 (A4) and hopefully there will be a web version too. Perhaps someone could remind everyone of the current web address of Happy New Ears as I've lost that too. Needless to say, I am now regularly backing up my files. Yours in Flux Roger what FLUXLIST poetry compilation? Reed Altemus wrote: FLUXLIST poetry compilation? -- -- -- -- -- | JOGLARS crossmedia beliefware http://cla.umn.edu/joglars [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- -- -- --
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: What FLUXLIST poetry compilation?
yes, it is and I'm working on a common-sense approach two or three poems or pieces taking up two or three pages is great several hundred are way too many... so your saying the content is open-ended? how many poems can you send? Roger Stevens wrote: Perhaps Reed is referring to this: After the success of Fluxlist's Happy New Ears a collection of Fluxus inspired poetry we decided to do a second - with not only poetry but any creative writing (event scores, etc) inspired by Fluxus. I am the compiler of the new work Unfortunately my hard drive exploded and I lost everything that was on my computer, including all fluxy entries so far. (sorry, Reed and everyone who sent things) So - I am extending the deadline to JUNE 1st 2002 and requesting you re-send entries or just send new stuff. The physical manifestation of this project will be a book 11 1/2 inches X 4 1/4 (A4) and hopefully there will be a web version too. Perhaps someone could remind everyone of the current web address of Happy New Ears as I've lost that too. Needless to say, I am now regularly backing up my files. Yours in Flux Roger what FLUXLIST poetry compilation? Reed Altemus wrote: FLUXLIST poetry compilation? -- -- -- -- -- | JOGLARS crossmedia beliefware http://cla.umn.edu/joglars [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- -- -- --
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Cage of John Cage's classes in experimental music
My opinion, John Cage was VERY influential. Eric Andersen does not agree.-Don Boyd _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58
I have a question...
1. Ben Vautier said that John Cage was critical to the development of Fluxus.
2. Dick Higgins was of the opinion that Ben exaggerated this influence too
much.
3. From my research, I show that John Cage taught at
the New School for Social Research
from 1956 to 1960. I only find that he taught the
Experimental Music Class from 1958 - 1960.
4. Some of the soon to be members of Fluxus
were enrolled in that class.
Others were invited in by Cage to do a performance or two.
5. The people I can find associated with the class (who were in Fluxus) were:
Jackson Mac Low
George Brecht
Allan Kaprow
Al Hansen
Dick Higgins
Toshi Ichiyanagi
La Monte Young
Jim Dine
Question: Is this list complete?
Which were actual students of the class and which were invited performers?
I thought some were invited to take and retake the class, to keep the
interesting momentum going.
In the opinion of anyone who cares to respond,
how much influence did this class have on the
later development of Fluxus?
Thanks,
Pedro
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:31 +0100
From: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div
roger,
i saw gong a few years back in sunderland of all places, had the good
fortune to have a little chat with daevid allen.
you thunk right, he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully 'english' way
he sold me a camembert electrique t shirt - clever man, it was horrible!
gong are playing this wednesday near treviso, just up the road. and we have
a table booked in venice for my girlfriends birthday
...could be the end of a beautiful relationship!
the damned are playing on thursday too!!
alanx
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:41:14 +0100
From: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Ten Thousand Words on the Internet Alan Bowman 2001
that's very worrying zap!
btw he also made a blatant typo too
we'll fix it soon(ish)
fffo1wdiv
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:59:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div
- --- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
'english' way
speaking of off (the) trolley:
last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
Cool
(repeat this wednesday night)
+r
np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow...
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Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:10:10 -0700
From: Pedro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool
Which network please?
At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
--- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
'english' way
speaking of off (the) trolley:
last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
Cool
(repeat this wednesday night)
+r
np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow...
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:14:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool
oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA).
They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python
('74?), so maybe that says something about them...
r
np: joe williams: what are you doing new years eve?
- --- Pedro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which network please?
At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
--- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
'english' way
speaking of off (the) trolley:
last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
Cool
(repeat this wednesday night)
+r
np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow...
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Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:32:33 -0700
From: Pedro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool
I found it, playing Dec. 10th here locally.
Thanks a million, haven't seen them perform in years.
At 11:14 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA).
They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python
('74?), so maybe that says something about them...
r
np: joe williams: what are you doing new years eve?
--- Pedro [EMAIL
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58
Alex,
Lucky I found a used copy for sale on Amazon.
Thanks very much for the reference.
Title: Writings of John Cage by Richard Kostelanetz
Pedro
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Alex Cook wrote:
I know Allan Kaprow adressed this in the John Cage Anthology ed by Richard
Konstalenetz. I remeber him saying something to the effect of JC was
irritated with the tack that Kaprow and Hansen took in creating scores and
perfomances, and he joked that he would accept no more students whose names
started with AL because of it.
or something like that. I don't have the anthology any more, but it should
be easy to find thru inter library loan.
Alex
NP: John Fahey - Bean Vine Blues
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:03:51 -0500
I have a question...
1. Ben Vautier said that John Cage was critical to the development of
Fluxus.
2. Dick Higgins was of the opinion that Ben exaggerated this influence
too
much.
3. From my research, I show that John Cage taught at
the New School for Social Research
from 1956 to 1960. I only find that he taught the
Experimental Music Class from 1958 - 1960.
4. Some of the soon to be members of Fluxus
were enrolled in that class.
Others were invited in by Cage to do a performance or two.
5. The people I can find associated with the class (who were in Fluxus)
were:
Jackson Mac Low
George Brecht
Allan Kaprow
Al Hansen
Dick Higgins
Toshi Ichiyanagi
La Monte Young
Jim Dine
Question: Is this list complete?
Which were actual students of the class and which were invited
performers?
I thought some were invited to take and retake the class, to keep the
interesting momentum going.
In the opinion of anyone who cares to respond,
how much influence did this class have on the
later development of Fluxus?
Thanks,
Pedro
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:31 +0100
From: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div
roger,
i saw gong a few years back in sunderland of all places, had the good
fortune to have a little chat with daevid allen.
you thunk right, he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully 'english' way
he sold me a camembert electrique t shirt - clever man, it was
horrible!
gong are playing this wednesday near treviso, just up the road. and we
have
a table booked in venice for my girlfriends birthday
...could be the end of a beautiful relationship!
the damned are playing on thursday too!!
alanx
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:41:14 +0100
From: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Ten Thousand Words on the Internet Alan Bowman
2001
that's very worrying zap!
btw he also made a blatant typo too
we'll fix it soon(ish)
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:59:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div
- --- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
'english' way
speaking of off (the) trolley:
last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
Cool
(repeat this wednesday night)
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Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:10:10 -0700
From: Pedro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool
Which network please?
At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
--- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
'english' way
speaking of off (the) trolley:
last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
Cool
(repeat this wednesday night)
+r
np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow...
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:14:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool
oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA).
They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python
('74?), so maybe that says something about them...
r
np: joe williams: what are you doing new years eve?
- --- Pedro
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Josh Ronsen wrote: Pedro writes: 1. Ben Vautier said that John Cage was critical to the development of Fluxus. 2. Dick Higgins was of the opinion that Ben exaggerated this influence too much. I assume Higgins wanted to stress that the people attending the class had their own ideas and were not Cage-followers or Cage-wanna-bes. I think the most important thing Cage contributed to the class (and to me studying his work through books and recordings) was the notion (and encouragement) that people could develop their own personal ideas, methods, theories and practices, and not have to decide to follow limited choices (Stravinsky or Schoenberg as Cage has written about his early studies). I wish I had the quote in front of me, I will dig it up when I get home. Essentially he said something like, It seems as if Vautier did not know any other names besides Cage and Duchamp. Implying, it seemed to me, that there were many other influences, the Futurists, Situationists, etc. Thanks for your reply, the principle of the notation is important. Another principle was the Dada idea several unrelated actions taking place simultaneously, like the simultaneous poems of Cabaret Voltaire. Pedro
FLUXLIST: Re: Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool
Which network please? At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: --- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully 'english' way speaking of off (the) trolley: last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool (repeat this wednesday night) +r np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow... __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool
oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA).
They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python
('74?), so maybe that says something about them...
r
np: joe williams: what are you doing new years eve?
--- Pedro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which network please?
At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
--- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
'english' way
speaking of off (the) trolley:
last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
Cool
(repeat this wednesday night)
+r
np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow...
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I found it, playing Dec. 10th here locally.
Thanks a million, haven't seen them perform in years.
At 11:14 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA).
They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python
('74?), so maybe that says something about them...
r
np: joe williams: what are you doing new years eve?
--- Pedro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which network please?
At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
--- alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
'english' way
speaking of off (the) trolley:
last night on TV: a showing of Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
Cool
(repeat this wednesday night)
+r
np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow...
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FLUXLIST: Re: a simplistic appraoch...., 2
though post- Fluxus may not be an apropriate term, maybe post-maciunas fluxus could work to describe recent fluxus works, or post-mac Fluxus for short -abbi
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: a simplistic appraoch...., 2
though post- Fluxus may not be an apropriate term, maybe post-maciunas fluxus could work to describe recent fluxus works, or post-mac Fluxus for short -abbi Some contemporary Fluxus workers (e.g. Joe DeMarco) are using the term avant-Flux...I think this is fairly appropriate. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: a simplistic appraoch...., 2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some contemporary Fluxus workers (e.g. Joe DeMarco) are using the term avant-Flux...I think this is fairly appropriate. cheers, Sol. If Fluxus was the rear-garde (as maciunas sometimes described it) then maybe what is being discussed here is fluxus as a kind of reverse action so maybe we should describe it as rear-Flux and not avant-Flux. Although the term rear-Flux brings up all sorts of associations, many of which are rather funny, but it is more appropriate then the implication of avant, meaning ahead of or in front of. On a more general level I think that those of you who work in a Fluxus inspired/like/associated manner are perfectly legitimate in calling what you do fluxus. Now this is not to say that it is part of the historical Fluxus, but it is part of a fluxus attitude. It is important to consider and learn about the historical aspects of fluxus and the artists associated with it, but this is only a part of the picture. And I know that this may seem odd coming form a person who wrote a book on the history of Fluxus, but I have always held that what is interesting about fluxus is a concern not for borders (names, definitions and limitations) but for the act of continuation. fluxus lives if people continue to do and be fluxus and if we just see it as a historical movement associated with a few historical people then it will only be that and never anything more and that would be really sad. Owen
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: a simplistic appraoch...., 2
While I don't think that subscribing strictly to Maciunas' ideas of Fluxus is at all necessary, I do agree with his dislike of the term avant. Avant implies being ahead of the group or at least separate and Fluxus, to my feelings, is for of and by the masses. One of its goals is making art part of life and life part of art. Its not an art discipline that one learns after studying for years at an academy. Fluxus is alive as long as people want to challenge the bourgoise (sp?), and have fun and be creative. Benjamin
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: rrrrrrrrrriddim...
rubba-dub-dub... was playing (no music in the computer room, alas) Phase Selector Sound Disassemble Dub. Gonna go dubbin' myself tonight at the local open jam...gettin' low down. Melissa McCarthy Hours: whimsical or by appointment Adult, maybe; grown-up, never! [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Amelie
Yep! truly agreat film, probably the best I've seen for yearsaah! And there's even more mailart in it if you like: the garden-dwarf who travels the world and sends home his photos from all the famous places. Dwarf in front of Egypt's Pyramids, Dwarf in front of Kreml, etc. This film is fantastic in the true sense of the word: there's ideas for at least 3 movies in it, packed into one. ;:_zap (back from passive to active listmember) For those of you who love films, Amélie is a gem of a film--perhaps the best solution to the depression that these times seem to elicit. But it is also very important for mail artists as well--the photobooth (that ancient machine that churns out four photos) is featured in this film--and the person whose identity seems to be always in pieces looks like Ray Johnson just a bit. So I recommend the film for its own merits, and for the fun of those mail artists who have used the photobooth in the past. jah Judith A. Hoffberg Umbrella P.O. Box 3640 Santa Monica, CA 90408 http://geocities.com/books2eat http://colophon.com/journal tel: (310)399-1146, fax: 399-5070 Let a smile be your umbrella!
FLUXLIST: Re: Amelie
For those of you who love films, Amélie is a gem of a film--perhaps the best solution to the depression that these times seem to elicit. But it is also very important for mail artists as well--the photobooth (that ancient machine that churns out four photos) is featured in this film--and the person whose identity seems to be always in pieces looks like Ray Johnson just a bit. So I recommend the film for its own merits, and for the fun of those mail artists who have used the photobooth in the past. jah Judith A. Hoffberg Umbrella P.O. Box 3640 Santa Monica, CA 90408 http://geocities.com/books2eat http://colophon.com/journal tel: (310)399-1146, fax: 399-5070 Let a smile be your umbrella!
FLUXLIST: Re: Bush's New Rules
Sorry to put a damper on things, but does anyone else find this disturbing? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes. This is bullshit. Waiting to see what the real reason for these rules are. Ashcroft Justice Department is a nightmare.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Bush's New Rules
On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, John Blower wrote: And we all see where this is going. John I'm a furriner, dammit! Blower This self-pronounced 'furriner' strategy could work... reminds me of a Church in Oregon that issued Drivers' Licenses and very authentic-looking license plates from the State of Heaven. Members of this Church denonounced any State/Government authority other than the one on High. /:b
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: true life adventure -1
I just listened to some music, I think I might listen to it again. Sol -- WP: King Jammy Meets Dry Heavy - Do Dub Up Your Fight NP: King Jammy Meets Dry Heavy - Do Dub Up Your Fight
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: true life adventure #0
thanks bibiana! that all sounds great and I'd love to go but I have to be back at work Monday... maybe I'll just buy a turkey sandwich here in the depths of Big Heart City ;) On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, bibiana padilla wrote: you can come to San Diego, where I'm picking up at 9pm our fluxlist friend Giancarlo Grande that comes from Paris, then you can join us on our way back to Mexicali, Baja (México) and stay the weekend...maybe all next week! and be here for our First Experimental Video State Festival. I have nowhere to go for this Thanksgiving thing.
FLUXLIST: Re: true life adventure #0 part 2
well... it hasn't been too bad: I'm just not accustomed to
being this isolated on a festive holiday... ended-up having
a little plate of roast duck on cabbage at the 6th Street
Food Center downstairs: very tasty with an anise? flavor...
although I kept thinking about the regular 7 ducks at the
marina. bought some dried salted peaches, mandarin peel, and
Buddha fruit in Chinatown and then, saw the movie Waking
Life: a lovely visual film (hand-painted rotoscoped imagery
by dozens of artists -- a gorgeous floating/hovering painted
tension stretched over the photographic sources) recounting
many reflections on consciousness: nice to hear someone
emerge from a convenience store begin spouting revelatory
visions: very Slacker-like.
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FLUXLIST: Re: true life adventure #0
I have nowhere to go for this Thanksgiving thing. /:b
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: true life adventure #0
you can come to San Diego, where I'm picking up at 9pm our fluxlist friend
Giancarlo Grande that comes from Paris, then you can join us on our way back
to Mexicali, Baja (México) and stay the weekend...maybe all next week! and
be here for our First Experimental Video State Festival.
From: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: true life adventure #0
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:45:11 -0800 (PST)
I have nowhere to go for this Thanksgiving thing.
/:b
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Re: FLUXLIST: Re: true life adventure #0
you can come to taos and eat turkey, play with the puppy and walk on the mesa.
bests, carol :)
oxo
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FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST: URL for fffo new york red wine incident!!!!!!!!!
eryk! please do! alan Can I post the Take a Cat piece to my haiku list? -e. alan bowman wrote:
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #40
Hello, I've been getting this list for a while now and here is my first contribution. Perhaps you'd like to check out the new album by . . . native hipsters called 'there goes concorde again' - available from Rough Trade in the UK or through the website on www.nativehipsters.co.uk. We finally got it out so let us know what you think. Really enjoy all your things. Anteela.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: frieze
I want it I want it! I want it I want it! Rinktines 21-64 Vilnius 2051 Lithuania a.b.- j.g.4/24/65 - Original Message - From: John M. Bennett To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: frieze I want it I want it!John M. Bennett137 Leland Ave.Columbus, OH 43214 USAThanks!JohnAt 11:16 AM 11/8/01 -0800, you wrote: To all:I've got this screensaver CD if anybody's up for it. First one to email me youraddress - voila, it's yours.Best,PK[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could have any five artworks for your home, what would you choose? You have five minutes Find out how Louise Bourgeois, Matthew Barney, Ed Ruscha, Bridget Riley and 150 other artists, writers and dealers responded to this question in the 10th anniversary issue of frieze. The volume also includes a removable poster by Charles Ray and a project by Kai Althoff plus Dave Hickey, Collier Schorr, Steve Erickson, Adrian Searle, Richard Flood, Bruce Hainley, Edward Allington and James Surowiecki writing on a few of their favourite things. frieze has also produced an anniversary present for new subscribers, a CD of artists' screensavers with work by Michael Craig-Martin, Jenny Holzer, Martin Creed, Paul Pfeiffer, Eva Rothschild, Tobias Rehberger and more. Subscribe to frieze at a reduced rate and receive the CD at http://www.frieze.com/subsoffer frieze http://www.frieze.com --- Electronic Flux Corporation http://www.e-flux.com To unsubscribe please go to: http://www.efluxmail.com/unsubscribe/
FLUXLIST: Re: frieze
guess it's too late for me, can someone make me a copy? i can send them as trade certificated broken window glasses of my car from when they stole my stereo, does someone remember?? anyway, may i have a copy of it? BIBIANA PADILLA MALTOS 233 Paulin Ave. PMB. 7263 Calexico, Ca., 92231-2646 U.S.A. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #27
Many sincere thanks to PK and BIBIANA for the information concerning Raphael Montanez Ortiz and Bruce Conner @ the Pompidou (thanks for the spelling corrections) I'll pass on these things to my professor see what else I can find, thanks to your leads. I'm sure he'll be very happy! x Robin T
FLUXLIST: Re: lost souls
Patricia writes: The Lost Soul Companion Project Mail Art Show The Lost Soul Companion Project offers comfort and constructive advice for black sheep, square pegs, struggling artists, and other free spirits. A while back someone posted to Fluxlist (I won't mention who: no need for further embarassment) that he had lost his soul. Although the soul was presumably lost in Europe, I happened to spot it here in Texas and I sent him a photo of it. Actually, I don't remember what I sent, but I sent something because I just found a nice reply from him thanking me for having spotted the missing soul. Was this soul ever found? Perhaps the person missing it could give us an update. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #25
Dear fellow Fluxuslisters, I wonder if anyone can help me find some information. My professor has been looking for a catalogue for an exhibit which was held at the Pompadou Centre in Paris, either in 2000 or 2001, and which featured the artists Raphael Montez Ortiz and Bruce Connor. I offered to help him look for it but haven't had any luck on the Internet so far. If anyone of our resourceful Fluxlist members should know of such an exhibit, or could give me any leads on how to find a catalogue from it, i'd be most grateful!! Thanks so much, Robin T
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #25
Robin, Your spellings may have tripped you up. It's Conner and Pompidou. Maybe this? http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=fru=http://membres.tripod.fr/cdr/047/047ACMO1.htmprev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Bruce%2BConner%2522%2BPompidou%2B2000%2BOrtiz%26hl%3Den or, a search turned up this http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=Monter%2FSampler+catalogue Good Luck, PK Robin Thurlow wrote: Dear fellow Fluxuslisters, I wonder if anyone can help me find some information. My professor has been looking for a catalogue for an exhibit which was held at the Pompadou Centre in Paris, either in 2000 or 2001, and which featured the artists Raphael Montez Ortiz and Bruce Connor. I offered to help him look for it but haven't had any luck on the Internet so far. If anyone of our resourceful Fluxlist members should know of such an exhibit, or could give me any leads on how to find a catalogue from it, i'd be most grateful!! Thanks so much, Robin T
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #25
Hey Robin, our fluxfriend Giancarlo Grande lives in Paris and too close to the Beaubourg, I'm sure he can help you. \ BIBIANA PADILLA MALTOS AVTEXTFEST general coordinator 233 Paulin Ave. PMB. 7263 Calexico, Ca., 92231-2646 U.S.A. From: Robin Thurlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #25 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:30:17 -0500 Dear fellow Fluxuslisters, I wonder if anyone can help me find some information. My professor has been looking for a catalogue for an exhibit which was held at the Pompadou Centre in Paris, either in 2000 or 2001, and which featured the artists Raphael Montez Ortiz and Bruce Connor. I offered to help him look for it but haven't had any luck on the Internet so far. If anyone of our resourceful Fluxlist members should know of such an exhibit, or could give me any leads on how to find a catalogue from it, i'd be most grateful!! Thanks so much, Robin T _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
FLUXLIST: Re: mail art/anthrax scare
Patricia wrote: I doubt that mail art will ever be quite the same after this. For me, most especially, the recycling (i.e., taping, etc.) of envelopes. For others, the mailing of the odd object and the documentation thereof. I have been concerned about this and have been not sending out some projects, which might be silly. I am sure most mail artists are used to getting weird post from strangers. I am starting a project for mail artists in Texas called Texas Association for Concerned Mail Artists (TACMA). I am not sure what we are concerned about, but I started thinking about this project and group name about a year ago, so it is not meant to be about Recent Concerns, or any particular concerns. I really just needed an extra letter for the acronym because there is already a TAMA out there. So if you are a mail artist in Texas (and I probably already know who you are), send me your address to recieve instructions to join. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: mail art/anthrax scare
I am starting a project for mail artists in Texas called Texas Association for Concerned Mail Artists (TACMA). Is this open to out of state members, or do we have to start or own local chapters? I don't know about anyone else, but I've always been deeply concerned. I've just been so far unable to find an appropriate forum. Very Deeply concerned. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: mail art/anthrax scare
So far the only problem I've noticed is that the mail (of all kinds) is sometimes slower. I'm still recycling envelopes, using tape, etc., with no noticeable differences or problems. I do think it's a good idea to stop putting foot powder in envelopes, however. And I've noticed more people making sure to put return addresses on their mail, which is probably also a good idea. Onvoid, John At 09:00 AM 10/22/01 -0700, you wrote: I am starting a project for mail artists in Texas called Texas Association for Concerned Mail Artists (TACMA). Is this open to out of state members, or do we have to start or own local chapters? I don't know about anyone else, but I've always been deeply concerned. I've just been so far unable to find an appropriate forum. Very Deeply concerned. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST
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FLUXLIST: RE: Lore gland
lint dam strokes indeed marshalore Lore gland ...
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #10
I did, in fact, look at your sources. Not exactly the most unbiased sources of info on the middle east (yes, even Amnesty International!) in my opinion. Noam Chomsky?! Oh the pain. But of course I always take as gospel whatever Ted Koppel says... well for the sake of credibility why not humor us with some completely unbiased reporting? you completely missed the point on ted koppel as the U.S. media is decidedly pro zionist. one only need to look at the major op eds on the matter (ex. George Will) to see an almost verbatim rgurgitation of state policy. G. Will said something like all of the principle enemies of Isreal are anti-semitic and there's not even 1 contrasting view presented on the matter and for a major network newscaster to even ask a difficult question of say Ehud Barak about Isreali policy in the occupied territories is really RARE. common sense should tell us that at least there are many difficult questions on the matter. Look, I'm not going to argue with you. yet you are doing just that I've been down this road before. Why waste my time and the time of the Fluxlist folk? Arguing with people like you is like trying to argue with a drunk, there's no point. just like there is no point in arguing with someone that doesn't present anything besides arbitrary kneejerk responses. i'm dying for you to present a credible statement. Clearly the Palestinians (who are technically Jordanian) whoa a zionist!!! now we are getting somewhereon what do you base this claim?? the palestinians don't think they are jordinians. only zionist and the U.S. government thinks that, where as the rest of the world would disagree. one only needs look at the record of U.N. council voting to acknowledge that. so you think that the palestinian population should let zionist and the U.S. decide what they are? that's incredible! now we are getting somewhere! stealing everyones lunch money. no just demolishing homes, killing protesters, testricting access to water, bombing Tunis with no credible pretext (did that happen or didn't it?), violating international law, etc. even the U.S. govt officials are starting to wince... which is saying alot!! Reading the accounts of people you haven't met is not really helpful. I've known many people (both Israeli AND Arab) who live, work, and survive in that difficult terrain. They would all find your opinions (and much of your source material) dubious if not actually laughable. i'm very interested in this, who would those people be? can i talk to them? Here's a fact for you: Jews and Arabs are both Semitic peoples and see the world somewhat differently then the West. really? you mean the isreali jews, mostly immigrants from europe, see the world differently than americans or europeans? that's interesting...how exactly do they see it that is so different? zionist policy seem near identical to american policy towards the native americans during the colonial days. anti westernization is a pretty standard propaganda tool, Japan in WWII used anti westernization to motivate a population to support an invasion of china!!! yet it's totally a western kind of thing to do that!!! so it's just rhetoric, basically. Their values and methods of communications are organized rather differently then those of Europe et al. Perhaps the answer is to leave them to it and stop trying to inflict our Western morals and values on two peoples who probably don't need the aggravation. inflict?!?!? you mean the U.S. should stop sending huge subsidies and military aid to isreal (1/3 of U.S foriegn military aid goes to isreal)? i quite agree!!! that would be absolutely great. we could examine the distinct correlation between U.S. military aid and state violence by oppressive regimes, but i don't want to bring central and south america into it. we would be getting somewhere though.. But the real solution, of course, is to air-condition and carpet the entire region, then watch the tensions melt. i didn't say anything that even remotely resembles that, so you're sarcasm is quite confusing. i don't know who you are flailing at...so please clarify! ~json
FLUXLIST: re badgergirl
And what's more wearisome still is using this situation to propagate anti-Israeli sentiment among the under educated and ill-informed. Speaking of which, I'm very curious as to the sources of your FACTs. There are many ways to spin a piece of info, friend, (but clearly you already have this talent). i posted the sources of my facts..clearly you didn't even read them i will post some more even though you posted no facts to dispute anything i said. To refer to Israel's policies (of which you seem to know very little) as ethnic cleansing, state terrorism, and apartheid (for god's sake!) is reactionary and rabble rousing in the extreme. jeez even Ted Koppel has questioned isreali policy in the occupied territories where have you been the past 35 odd years? fair enough i will give examples of each situation apartheid: currently under isreali law it is illegal for palestinians even ones that are also isreali citizens (and i use that term loosely because they're not allowed to vote, so maybe second class citizens is a more accurate term) and currently living in isreal to own land or own a business. in terms of isreali law palestinians are not even human. in violation of UN 242 in the occupied territories palestinian arabs are resticted access to the majority of roads, making it difficult for the palestinian inhabitants to even obtain water. for your amusement i will provide some interesting quotes: There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries, not one village, not one tribe should be left (Joseph Weitz, 1940). there is not such thing as Palestinians; they never existed (Golda Meir, 1969) We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters. (David Ben Gurion). Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population.. It is important to speak Hebrew, but it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through at playing with colonizing (Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1939). and this one i think sums it up best In Jerusalem, land expropriation, ID confiscations, home demolitions, withholding of building permits, and the importation of settler colonies within and around the city have become constant elements of Israel's demographic engineering through ethnic cleansing. Hanan Ashrawi, pretty much confirmed in reports by amnesty intenational Note: Ashrawi is the only palestinian i have quoted the rest are from various govt zionist officials a good article with some interesting facts: http://www.zmag.org/meastwatch/israeleth1.htm 2001 amnesty international report on isreal in the occupied territories: http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webmepcountries/ISRAEL+AND+OCCUPIED+TERRITORIES?OpenDocument 2000 amnesty international report: http://www.web.amnesty.org/web/ar2000web.nsf/countries/84837f03555284fd802568f200552934?OpenDocument 1999 report http://www.amnestyusa.org/ailib/aireport/ar99/mde15.htm these are the only amnesty reports i could find on the web several articles, with many facts. http://www.zmag.org/meastwatch/meastwat.htm even more facts http://www.merip.org/ STATE TERRORISM: always called retaliation ... initially contrary to popular belief isreal wias infact the one who introduced terrorism to the middle east. the first incidents of the highjacking of planes and so forth was done by the isreali military during the first arab isreali war. the isreali military highjacked civilian palestinian airplanes to trade for soldiers captured during the war. a speciic example of state terrorism in 1985: the sequence is as follows: first came a PLO attack in Lanarca, Cyprus, where 3 isrealis where killed. The killers were immediately caught and placed on trial; they're now in jail. About a week later came the isreali bombing of Tunis in which, according to isreali correspondants, about 75 people where killed , 20 Tunisians, 55 palestinians, mostly civilians... [Chomsky, Chronicles of Dissent page 58] chomsky goes on to say and i'll just paraphrase, that the origionl lanarca attack was called retaliation for oft suppressed fact, for the isreali navy was using agents based in cyprus that were high jacking boatsisreali agants highjacking boats. all of that is fine and well EXCEPT the bombing of Tunis by ISREAL wasn't directed against the people who carried out the terrorist attack..ISREAL even conceded that the people they were bombing HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LANARCA ATTACK. it was just an easy target. when the people that did the attack probably came from Syria, but Syria can fight back. so isreal didn't retaliate against syria it bombed a defenseless target!!! that's the way it's done.of course with FULL U.S. COMPLICITY. and that's pretty typical, the norm, the status quo, definate state terrorism the origion of the word terrorism and i'm refering to the same article by noam chomsky
Re: FLUXLIST: re badgergirl
Gee, guess you sure told me! I did, in fact, look at your sources. Not exactly the most unbiased sources of info on the middle east (yes, even Amnesty International!) in my opinion. Noam Chomsky?! Oh the pain. But of course I always take as gospel whatever Ted Koppel says... Look, I'm not going to argue with you. I've been down this road before. Why waste my time and the time of the Fluxlist folk? Arguing with people like you is like trying to argue with a drunk, there's no point. Clearly the Palestinians (who are technically Jordanian) are nobel victims, innocent dupes,incapable of wrong doing and the Israelis are the schoolyard bullies of the Middle East, picking fights without provocation and stealing everyones lunch money. Reading the accounts of people you haven't met is not really helpful. I've known many people (both Israeli AND Arab) who live, work, and survive in that difficult terrain. They would all find your opinions (and much of your source material) dubious if not actually laughable. Here's a fact for you: Jews and Arabs are both Semitic peoples and see the world somewhat differently then the West. Their values and methods of communications are organized rather differently then those of Europe et al. Perhaps the answer is to leave them to it and stop trying to inflict our Western morals and values on two peoples who probably don't need the aggravation. But the real solution, of course, is to air-condition and carpet the entire region, then watch the tensions melt. That's my final answer. Badgergirl (Begging you to take a refresher course in English composition and use your spell check program, for mercy's sake.) -- From: jason pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: re badgergirl Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2001, 11:49 AM
Re: FLUXLIST: re badgergirl
Noam Chomsky?! Oh the pain. I don't want to drag this out, but (in a pure desire for knowledge) I would be interested in any refutation of Chomsky that doesn't resort to *ad hominem* remarks ... because I haven't seen one (a refutation, that is) that hews to the same level of rigor he employs. The usual line is to refer to him as a corrupting influence, or as a traitor, or somesuch, which doesn't really cut it, for me. Just looking to broaden my horizons ... I'm not drunk ... not at the moment, anyhoo ... Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #3
People used to pray to the people they loved when the planes were coming down. Now, we have cell phones; there is something tragic in this improvement, and I do not believe in god or cell phones. Roger Stevens wrote: so, countries who harbour terrorists will be attacked because so many innocent people died we'll make sure we kill a few more along the way... makes sense and it seems to me that there are plenty of terrorists in England, not to mention Ireland, that maybe the USA should bomb us while it's about it... XXX Roger Dragonfly Dream adds - -- While I am not a Christian or a believer in God, I do believe in the power of prayer. I don't really pray the way most folks do but I do send my voice to spirit. Due to our nations tragic loses on Tuesday I am sending a piece of a cyber prayer chain out in the hopes that others might add to the chain and send good wishes, healing, and peace out to the world.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #3
Hi Robin and all, Here on the campus where I work (upstate NY) not only were many of us affected directly by the loss of friends and family members but also, racist attacks are now manifesting. One female student of Middle Eastern descent was assaulted by three male students yesterday at noon as she tried to enter a building. All of the men dressed in red, white and blue colored clothing wearing NY Yankees baseball caps. incidents like these are being reported all over campus. It's only a microcosm of what's happening in NYC itself, and I imagine, many other cities. The very peaceful Muslim and Middle Eastern students on this campus are afraid for their lives. Here in the UK Muslims are also being harrassed as a result of tuesday's events. Unfortunately there're a lot of people who want any excuse for racial harassment and the constant news on how Tuesday's events are the work of Islamic peoples (even though the full story via evidence has not yet come to light!) is giving these people their excuse. I have to thank everyone her for your discussion of the travesty that has just occured here in the United States. I am very worried, as it seems it will become a global situation for many years to come. Unfortunately it seems that Bush is using these attacks to immediately declare some sort of war. Interestingly since he can't quite find a country to have a war with yet in the meantime he's declared war on terrorism. Presumably this is because other wars such as the war on drugs or indeed the many other conflicts the US (and its allies such as the UK) has engaged in have not been successful. I have to say that as long as Bush talks about War and the rest of our leaders back him we're unlikely to see an end to terrorist activities. The terrorists will get what they want if the US (and now NATO as a whole) concentrate on retaliation and waste vast amounts of money in the process while increasing the racial divisions within their societies. I'm sure that Tuesday's events will change the world..hopefully though, the level-headed government elements (indeed I hope there are some!) will prevail. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #3
so, countries who harbour terrorists will be attacked because so many innocent people died we'll make sure we kill a few more along the way... makes sense and it seems to me that there are plenty of terrorists in England, not to mention Ireland, that maybe the USA should bomb us while it's about it... XXX Roger Dragonfly Dream adds - -- While I am not a Christian or a believer in God, I do believe in the power of prayer. I don't really pray the way most folks do but I do send my voice to spirit. Due to our nations tragic loses on Tuesday I am sending a piece of a cyber prayer chain out in the hopes that others might add to the chain and send good wishes, healing, and peace out to the world.
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #3
I have to thank everyone her for your discussion of the travesty that has just occured here in the United States. I am very worried, as it seems it will become a global situation for many years to come. To everyone in the world, no matter where you are, please stay safe and be strong. On a fan list i run for an artist friend of mine, there is suddenly such talk of violent retribution, and even one instance of deep-seated racism from one fan I had previously thought was a level-headed and also fairly non-political person. Here on the campus where I work (upstate NY) not only were many of us affected directly by the loss of friends and family members but also, racist attacks are now manifesting. One female student of Middle Eastern descent was assaulted by three male students yesterday at noon as she tried to enter a building. All of the men dressed in red, white and blue colored clothing wearing NY Yankees baseball caps. incidents like these are being reported all over campus. It's only a microcosm of what's happening in NYC itself, and I imagine, many other cities. The very peaceful Muslim and Middle Eastern students on this campus are afraid for their lives. Reading the FLUXLIST is a peaceful haven for discussion of art and the intricacies of life. I really appreciate its being here. Thank you all for making the list what it is. x Robin T
FLUXLIST: RE: subtitled
jason pierce writes: the Twelve Fate Game is now subtitled in mandarin http://www.onyxmirr.org/Game.html I have made a movie version of the Twelve Fates, which was to have been premiered at the Intersect 4 festival in Austin last month, but technical difficulties kept the digital film on my hard drive and not on VHS tape. Maybe someday it will be available by CDROM or online somewhere. It is a fun game to play, especially if you need a game to take your mind off the events of today... -Josh Ronsen ps: I saw the Yoko Ono retrospecive in Houston this weekend. I'll send a write-up soon. --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ebay's response to Obadike's Blackness auctionseems like racism
Terrence writes; Is E-bay's legal department going too far? join in the discussion at e-bays soapbox register here http://forums.ebay.com/dwb?14@999487002107@.ee7ba0c artnatural =-) T [EMAIL PROTECTED] vs artists terrence- (0) (view author's auctions) 8:14pm September 2, 2001 does e-bay have a sense of culture or is it only interested in exclusive community creation to support a corporate drive for profit and e-power at the cost of culture? Subject: FLUXLIST: eBay wants www.ebayart.com Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:09:11 -0400 From: allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Susan K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I registered ebayart.com a couple of years ago thinking that it would make a nice home for a website that would document the various art projects that we've been seeing on eBay.com for several years now (some of which I think have been really clever, some of which I think have been really interesting). Despite my best intentions I haven't had the time to create this site...one of many projects on a back burner. eBay-the-company has finally caught up with me, though. I don't think this is really a big deal or worthy of a fight--doing a website cataloging art projects using eBay.com can still be done (and maybe already has...anyone know of any such websites?)...without using a domain name that eBay the company finds infringing. I've been noticing in the press recently how eBay-the-company is getting a bad reputation as a corporate bully. It's ironic, of course, that eBay's very meaning and existence depends on a very democratic person-to-person process. Some people/companies just don't understand what they have or what they are. - Allen B From: PF-Enforcement [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Domain Name Registration - EBAYART.COM Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:45:46 -0700 Dear Domain Name Registrant: It recently has come to our attention that you have registered one or more domain names that include the eBay name and trademark, and that you may also be operating a Web site incorporating the eBay name. As you know, eBay is a leader in person-to-person online trading and maintains the www.ebay.com Web site. eBay owns exclusive trademark rights to the eBay name in the United States and internationally. eBay has made a substantial investment in developing and providing its services and has acquired a tremendous amount of goodwill and brand equity in the eBay name. As we hope you can appreciate, eBay is concerned that your unauthorized use of the eBay name may cause confusion as to whether you or your company's activities are authorized, endorsed or sponsored by eBay when, in fact, they are not. Federal and state laws, including the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act of 1999, recently passed by Congress, provide for serious penalties (up to $100,000) against persons who, without authorization, use, sell, or offer for sale a domain name that infringes another's trademark. Infringers who have been notified of such infringing activity, but do not cease their infringements, may also be considered willful and could be subject to additional money damages. Having received this e-mail, you are on such notice . For your information, the text of the Anticybersquatting Act may be found at http://www.submerged-ideas.com/litigation/anticybersquat.htm More information on trademark law may be found at http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/aVoid.htm. While eBay respects your rights of expression and desire to do business on the World Wide Web, eBay must enforce its own rights in order to protect its valuable and famous name. We appreciate that you may have registered the above-mentioned domains with the best of intentions and without full knowledge of the law in this area. Nonetheless, under the circumstances, we must insist that you: (1) stop using the eBay name in your domain name; (2) do not use such domain name(s) on an active web site; (3) do not renew such domain names To post a message, compose your text in the box below, then click on Post My Message (below) to send the message. T Eryk Salvaggio wrote: Allen Bukoff, over at Fluxlist, registered ebayart.com with the intention of linking to ebay-based conceptual art, and, even though he hadn't put anything on it, ebay sent a cease and desist letter to him for using their name. So, eh, be careful. :) -e. Greg Sidal wrote: I didn't know that ebay had canceled Daines' auction as well. When I browsed to his page a couple of months ago, the auction appeared to be running (Micheal doesn't seem to remember what actually
FLUXLIST: RE: FLUXLIST-digest V1 #810
FLUXLIST-digest Thursday, August 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 810 Dear Fluxlist Administrators and Administrative Staff, Last night I recieved Fluxlist Digest #810 of volume 1. What a large number! Could we start volume 2 before the number gets any higher? In fact, could we just skip volume 2 and go directly to volume 3? Thank you for your time, A concerned Fluxlist member, -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: Re: to:
chow mattress scribbles woo nutin' but u John M. Bennett Found in Beth Garrison's Found in John Bennett's Address Book At 10:32 AM 8/31/01 -0400, Allen H. Bramhall wrote: wryting u woo fluxlist scribbles america on line situationists hear u say hotmail mattress yahoo! comp u serve a poem rocket nutin' but young english chow beth:o) found in john bennetts address book - Original Message - From: John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: Bray lore
FLUXLIST: Re: query: re postfluxpostbooklet/reed altemus
dear friends: sorry i have been out of touch problems with my email so use library for short times now (you are limited) i have here a whole stack of POSTFLUXPOSTBOOKLETs and want to send a whole stack of work to them i made after reading these marvelous productions! i wanted to make sure of the address to send them to--is it to you reed? as can mail them right away these are truly a joy to behold! many wonderful works and collabs! i hope to be back on line soon kafakesque adventures at library as can come here half an hour a day or one whohour once a day led me to finding many odd books while i wait my turn--for example today a new bio of Sal Mineo! a still from film he dierected in which final scene he rapes don johnson who went on to be in miami vice have been building a smaller sort of merzbau in my apt with objects from street--of all different materials--wood stone metal plastic etc bicycle wheels variousa odd plants i dreid and driftwood and so on some is spray painted and hung up various collages i guess not having email though making one feel so isolated--does send one off making things! though do miss the community/communication very much! please let me know re the booklets as doing lot of work lately as more time in solitary so to speak! all bestest and peace to all david baptiste chirot
FLUXLIST: RE: the robbery
Brad Brace wrote: Please describe the stolen shoes. /:b Now that's Fluxus! Bibiana, I think you should do a bit of research into voodoo (?)curses and stick needles into left-behind sandals. Maybe if the curse works he will return your stuff and apologize. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: Re: pix
Dearest, I have to leave, trains, but thanks for the mail. H. On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, bibiana padilla wrote: In the email I thought I'd send I was asking Heiko if he wanted a pix of AVTEXTFEST or a pix of me. If it was thee first one, here's the picture of the past AVTEXTFEST (january 2001): Carlos Gutiérrez, he's one of my coorganizers; Giancarlo Grande, italian video director that presented a video poetry installation and an essay about the posibilities between video and poetry; then it's me, with glasses on; Joel Kuzsai, Octavia Davis and Bill Marsh, they presented
FLUXLIST: Re: art on paper
hi all, here is an invitation to a christmas exhibition in slovenia http://www.wf-a.si/ -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: RE: slight wear at spine
THANK YOU NOTE 2001 Roger Radio paper and ink unlimited edition Send any sum of money (minimum 5$ or £5) and I will send you a thank you note (signed by the artist) 17 Martello Mews Martello Road Seaford East Sussex BN25 1JT UK Hurry to avoid delay!
FLUXLIST: RE: slight wear at spine
That reminds me: I have a handful of found items collected by Seth Tisue (http://tisue.net) from Chicago. Since Seth is not an artist (as far as I know), the value of these objects can only go up Up UP! A HANDFUL OF FOUND ITEMS (1999-2000) Seth Tisue 1 handful $400 Payment by U.S. cash only. I will provide a certificate of authenticity and an attractive storage envelope free of charge. Please reserve by email before sending payment. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: Re: DebbieGravinaessay[1]
At 12:24 AM +0100 7/22/01, Santiago Braje wrote: I send you this file in order to have your advice Is anyone else on this list getting w32 virus attachments? I've gotten 6 so far in the past 24 hours, all from far-flung strangers, not on any list I know about, and it's getting irksome. If you're not already doing so, I recommend the very fluxlist-like activity of spraying your computer. Do some anti-virus work. I'm on a Mac and somewhat immune, but lately have been besieged by virii and attempts to break into my computer. Luckily thing I have a firewall running. p.s. This email is virus-free.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Bonsai for Brad?
Of course, you do have to be very careful with roots
It's very easy to damage or even kill the plant.
I think that sometimes if a plant or tree is doing well it's best to leave
it alone.
That advice should go for fluxus as well.
T.
artnatural
{ brad brace } wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Sol Nte wrote:
Hi Brad,
Since you're our resident garden guru, do you know much about Bonsai?
In
particular how can you cure chlorosis without resorting to chellated
iron/iron sulphate?
This is serious as the pressure of Bonsai is intense, one quick
mistake and
several years of small tree cultivation end up as a rather
unattractive
small stick!
Ta,
Sol.
Root pruning is an integral part of bonsai. No plant can stay in a
container indefinitely without some sort of root work.
/:b
FLUXLIST: Re: Bonsai for Brad?
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Sol Nte wrote: Hi Brad, Since you're our resident garden guru, do you know much about Bonsai? In particular how can you cure chlorosis without resorting to chellated iron/iron sulphate? This is serious as the pressure of Bonsai is intense, one quick mistake and several years of small tree cultivation end up as a rather unattractive small stick! Ta, Sol. Root pruning is an integral part of bonsai. No plant can stay in a container indefinitely without some sort of root work. /:b
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V1 #772
I also resign as an owner. It isn't any fun anymore. jah Judith A. Hoffberg Umbrella P.O. Box 3640 Santa Monica, CA 90408 http://geocities.com/books2eat http://colophon.com/journal tel: (310)399-1146, fax: 399-5070 Let a smile be your umbrella!
FLUXLIST: re-humbled
Hi all, Well it occurred to me that the responsibility of being involved in Fluxlist at owner level was largely unrewarding in cases where I'm made to seem like some sort of ogre imposing my personal preferences on the list. I felt that I had to act to preserve and promote the best nature of the list whenever possible. SoI decided that maybe owning is not for meso I've resigned from the owner group and will continue with Fluxlist as a general participant. Ken Friedman invited me to become a listowner only a couple of years ago but since he and several of the other original owners are no longer owners there's no real reason why I have to still be one especially if I cease to enjoy it which is what has happened. Fluxlist is supposed to be fun and I want to return to a way of having fun within it. BTW - For general information the overwhelming feeling amongst the listowners was that Eric and Tamas should be able to do what they like.so now you get an idea of why I don't feel that an owning involvement in Fluxlist is for me any more. For those of you who thought I was getting ideas above my station by threatening to exclude people from the list well now I'm re-humbled. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: re-humbled
hi sol, unfortuantely the dark side advances and the spoiler sits in triumph. too bad, but i understand your not wanting any more unpleasantness. life is short and i'm for enjoying it as much as possible. happily you are staying on the list as it would be a great loss to not have your input. very bests, carol xoo Sol Nte wrote: Hi all, Well it occurred to me that the responsibility of being involved in Fluxlist at owner level was largely unrewarding in cases where I'm made to seem like some sort of ogre imposing my personal preferences on the list. I felt that I had to act to preserve and promote the best nature of the list whenever possible. SoI decided that maybe owning is not for meso I've resigned from the owner group and will continue with Fluxlist as a general participant. Ken Friedman invited me to become a listowner only a couple of years ago but since he and several of the other original owners are no longer owners there's no real reason why I have to still be one especially if I cease to enjoy it which is what has happened. Fluxlist is supposed to be fun and I want to return to a way of having fun within it. BTW - For general information the overwhelming feeling amongst the listowners was that Eric and Tamas should be able to do what they like.so now you get an idea of why I don't feel that an owning involvement in Fluxlist is for me any more. For those of you who thought I was getting ideas above my station by threatening to exclude people from the list well now I'm re-humbled. cheers, Sol. -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: re-humbled
well, i've yet to receive sol's comment, but am reading it on carol's bottom half (eh, hem...) i'm of two minds on this matter: 1) the initial feeling of resentment towards people who harass others - and harassment, by the way, is grounds for excommunication according to the list rules and 2) the freedom of expression issue. concerning the last: i wouldn't want to be stuck in a planned, nearly inescapable, situation with these two(?) (a strong feeling that they really are the same person), but in the case of email - mine, at least - i can filter out the irritants by placing a block filter on the address and/or name and/or any other reoccurring text and be done with it. folks who object to the Tamas/Andersen manner of communication may try to do the same if this option is available to them. maybe then there really will be a fall silent (non)response amongst the group. as for the comment about it being funny - it reminds me of people who think it's funny to call someone an asshole to their face and then after they see your reaction, say, oh, i was just kidding. - you know, just being a guy - and i've always wondered what it was that made them think or say it in the first place? in this case, i'm doubly confused since these shenanigans seem to come from a man who's pushing 60 - someone who has lived a pretty eventful life and really should know better and get on with the more rewarding aspects of existence. it's a shame really - a chance to share historic info accurately and start meaningful discussions or new projects is completely wasted by exchanging those opportunities for chances to point out faults, play one-upmanship, and, in general, act a tenth of one's age. r~ --- Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi sol, unfortuantely the dark side advances and the spoiler sits in triumph... -- Heroism doesn't consist of brilliantly combatting someone else. What is heroic is to accept the situation in which you find yourself. - John Cage ~ dotage \DOH-tij\, noun: A deterioration of mental faculties, particularly in old age; the childishness of old age; senility; as, a venerable man, now in his dotage. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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now that's funny! c Rod Stasick wrote: well, i've yet to receive sol's comment, but am reading it on carol's bottom half (eh, hem...) -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: RE: Stopwords
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FLUXLIST: Re: Cage and Happening in Amsterdam
This appeared in the Los Angeles Times this morning 6 July: An Epic John Cage Work Tests the Chaos Theory in Holland By MARK SWED, Times Music Critic AMSTERDAM--America's government, having turned 225 years old on Wednesday, satisfies us as a success story. But that doesn't exactly mean we know just how much of it is a good thing. If an administration is elected because it pushes for more government, voters will next probably turn to one that espouses less, and so on. Political parties restlessly shift positions, depending on immediate wants and needs. Even anarchists are divided into feuding factions. Such ambivalence is the realm of not just politics but also the arts, and Saturday night, the Holland Festival offered a curious example of the tensions between our urge for government and our resistance to it. The occasion was the festival's closing event, a gala performance of John Cage's complete Song Books, in Amsterdam's famed, hallowed concert space, the Concertgebouw. Song Books, a collection of 90 individual solos (some songs, some theater pieces), was written in 1970 and reflects the political activism of that era. Cage had become enthusiastic about Henry David Thoreau, and his aim was to connect Thoreau's hearty endorsement of the motto, That government is best which governs least, with an earlier passion for rule-breaking, irreverent French composer Erik Satie. It is an epic collection. The solos range from relatively standard songs to conceptual art. A singer might be asked to follow conventional notation or treat the contours of Thoreau's face as a melodic line. Another solo might require a performer to eat a meal or write a letter, with a microphone amplifying the sounds. Along with direct references to Satie and Thoreau (principally Civil Disobedience and the journals), Song Books invokes James Joyce, Marcel Duchamp and even Schubert and Mozart. Cage never suggested that all the solos be performed together. His instructions called for any number of solos used by any number of performers. Each makes an independent program and doesn't worry about what anyone else is doing. But completeness (and then some, with other Cage works added as well) was the intention of the Holland Festival, which turned Song Books into a full-scale theatrical event, with a vast and diverse array of performers, and the hope of creating a model that could be reproduced at other festivals. The Concertgebouw was transformed. The stage could not hold all the performers, props (a chaise longue, one table with typewriter, another set up for a chess game, a small kitchen and much more) and electronics, so several rows of seats in front of the theater were removed. Two large video screens were placed on either side of the theater. The small rear balcony also held performers, as did the aisles and rear of the hall. About 40 soloists were involved, and they included Joan LaBarbara and Susan Naruki (two well-known American specialists in modern vocal music), Ars Nova (an exquisite Danish vocal ensemble), Louis Andriessen (Holland's most important composer), Bambie (a tasteless Dutch mime troupe), 100% Isis (two feisty female DJs), Merzbow (an electronica group) and Greetje Bijma (a stunning Dutch improvising singer). Others participated on film, among them the rock band Sonic Youth and Dutch Fluxus artist Willem de Ridder, and there were films of Cage himself, adding a spooky presence. Gail Zappa created a solo over the Internet from Los Angeles. Given such a complex array of performers, and the sheer density of sound when many were performing simultaneously, more government than Cage called for proved necessary. Dutch filmmaker Frank Scheffer, who produced the event with American composer Ron Ford and American musicologist Benedict Weisser, imposed structure. He needed to make sure that every solo was assigned and that the entire program would last exactly 90 minutes (a limitation imposed by the Concertgebouw). A complex road map, using Cagean chance procedures, was produced. A less ambitious performance of Song Books, in which the soloists are simply individuals acting on their own, can be a profound social exercise. A musical society convenes onstage and demonstrates that unrelated music and activities--the singing of a virtuoso coloratura soprano number, say, and the typing of a letter, the coming and going of performers--need not interfere with one another and can even lead to interesting combinations and counterpoints that no one had ever thought of before. That, however, is not quite what happened at the Concertgebouw. A note in the program encouraged listeners to sample the performance from various places in the theater. But rather than move from one seat to another, the audience invaded the stage, intrusively peering over the shoulders or directly into the faces of singers and actors. The entire hall was a mob scene. Carefully choreographed movement was blocked.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Cage and Happening in Amsterdam
Merzbow (an electronica group) Wow - thirty years as the most prolific experimental / dada / electronic / fluxus / noise / psych musician in the world reduced to an offshoot of the dance crowd... doing something by John Cage (electronica composer), I suppose Sounds like a great concert, though - maybe with an overlay of Mureau playing in the background to increase density (and perhaps it was, since they mention Cage films being played...).
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Cage and Happening in Amsterdam
...again demonstrating that many people, when given the chance to be free, feel the need to flaunt their ego. still (in this decade and more to come) a misunderstood man... http://www.calendarlive.com/top/1,1419,L-LATimes-Music-X!ArticleDetail-37686,00.html r~ -- I'm devoted to the principle of originality - not originality in the egoistic sense, but originality in the sense of doing something which it is necessary to do. Now, obviously, the things that it is necessary to do are not those that have been done, but the ones that have not yet been done. If I have done something, then I consider it my business not to do that, but to find what must be done next. - John Cage __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Re: FLUXLIST: RE: FLUXLIST-digest V1 #755
Reed: I don't think I saw that listing that described my poetry as concrete (and I'm not sure which recent book it was referring to), but none of my recent books could be called concrete no matter how far you stretched that term... rOlling COMBers has some visual poems in it, and some poems with visual elements, but they ain't concrete, which is a pretty specific type of visual poetry. I suppose there is no such thing as a purely abstract linguistic artifact, which is an abstract concept, tautologically speaking, but some work comes closer. Expository prose, for example, or maybe this discussion, in which the language is much more of a medium for ideas, thought, etc. The other extreme would be concrete and visual poetry, in which, as you say, language is treated as visual material for its own sake. Or as I said, becomes totemic or talismanic. Onword, John At 02:38 PM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote: blockquote type=cite citePedro et al:br Sorry to take so long to respond further to this matter - I've been on a retreat (during which I took a field trip to the Sackner Archive of Concrete and Visual Poetry in /Miami Beach) - but as to defining What visual poetry is, that's a tough one.nbsp; I tend to think of it as anything in which there is a visual element to the work (that is, SEEING it is part of the experience).nbsp; That, however, could well include John, you have to SEE the text of a novel also. Of course your eye movements are rather restricted, but still... the most important thing about visual poetry for me, and this is quite subjective, is that it calls for a different kind of reading (reader). Alternative eye movements and page scanning are often required. One has to decide where to start and where to go next and how to scan the poem. Visual poetry often allows for multiple readings (and here we arrive at your ambiguity again though it is more a graphic ambiguity than a semantic one). What I found interesting was a recent post about your new book on the poetry list which called your poetry concrete. Really? I mean the line by line oriented things are read like conventional poetry right to left etc. and your visual pieces with the repeated rubberstamp borders and the calligraphy don't seem to me to be particularly concrete. On the contrary they seem very abstract- not poetry where language-qua-language is presented for its own sake... almost all poetry, so I think it also includes a quality of the work which makes it in one way or another totemic and/or talismanic.nbsp; That is, its physical presence is part of the thing; it's not just quot;abstractquot; like a purely linguistic artifact Could you define or make clear what you mean by a linguistic artifact? And absract. So what you're saying is that in visual poetry language is treated as visual material for its own sake, i.e. it tends toward the concrete... That's useful, yet doesn't cut much out.br It seems that most quot;non-visual poetryquot; could be experienced aurallybr and not visually without losing too much.br Would you agree with that?br There is some visual poetry which is BOTH visual and aural but it is so difficult to do that it happens rarely. Since this is FLUXLIST I would like to point out that visual poetry is intermedia- the area between visual art and poetry in the same way that sound poetry is the intermedium between music and poetry and Alan Bowman's hexidecimal poems are the intermedium between computer programming and poetry. I find looking at visual poetry using Dick Higgins' poetry intermedia chart amazingly clarifying in an area which is theory and criticism-impoverished. RA Oh, apologies to John Held and his family and friends for trashing John in my last posting. --- Reed Altemus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
FLUXLIST: RE: call for papers on Fluxus
Owen Smith asks for a call for papers on Fluxus Here it is: PAPERS FLUXUS -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: RE: Stopwords
In a message dated 6/25/01 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: someone on Fluxlist wants a envelope with a few words... hmm? have you run out of words to give? may i have some too? pretty please? hmm? sktspr 537 river rd. windham me. 04062 u.s.a.
