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2002-06-23 Thread Roger Shufflebottom

Testing - new PB - anyone seeing this?
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Subject: Serial printer on USB adaptor (repost)

2002-06-23 Thread Roger Shufflebottom

(Sorry if you get this twice)

Forgive me if this has been covered but . . . I've just got a new 
TIBook (800 - very nice too). I'm diving into Mac OS X for the first 
time (so far so good) BUT I have an Epson Stylus Color 850 printer 
which has the old serial connector. I've installed a Keyspan 
USB-serial adaptor and downloaded the correct Mac OS X Epson printer 
driver but the PB does not see the printer. The Keyspan utility sees 
the adaptor but that's all.

I'm waiting for a reply from Keyspan. Anybody out there have any 
advice (apart from buy a new printer)?

TIA

Roger Shufflebottom
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UK ISPs (OT) (was: Re: pismo 400 (september 2000) modem dying?)

2002-06-23 Thread Jim

Vlad,

I spent some time in the UK, and experienced several of the ISPs 
there. I must say, without hesitation, the best service came from 
demon.co.uk.  They were professional, helpful, and responsive.  They 
set me up with a UK dialin account before I left the USA, on the 
phone, in 5 1/2 minutes, including all the necessary info such as 
local dialin number, SMTP, newsserver, personalized IP address, and 
an international dialin number to verify everything was working 
before I left.  They didn't insist that I install their own programs 
on my Mac, either.  In fact, the account was up and running within an 
hour of my phoning them.  It's difficult to get THAT level of service 
from an ISP in the USA!  Although I did try other ISPs in the UK 
during my years' stay (such as BT, Blueyonder, and some of the free 
services), the only one that was 100% reliable was Demon.  They know 
what they're doing.  With Demon, you get what you're paying for.

--Jim.

vlad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday, June 22, 2002, at 09:25 , James Rohde wrote:

  i have two ISPs, happens with both (one is AOL).

  Some of us who used to use AOL would say that's one and one-half, but
  what the heck... ;-)


they're the only ISP that doesn't ditch you after two hour 
connection here in UK...

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Re: Expansion Devices for Pismo/Lombard

2002-06-23 Thread Jim

I previously wrote:
Zip100 expansion modules continue to be available for $20, cannot one
simply buy one of those, unscrew the housing,  and replace the Zip
mechanism with a 2.5 hard drive?  Anyone done this?  Anyone used one
of those VST housings to put anything in OTHER than a Zip drive?

Dear listreaders,

Ok, I ripped open a Pismo Zip100 module to see what's inside.  Didn't 
care about voiding the warranty since it only cost me $20.  As 
reported by another here a few postings back, the connectors are 
different between the Z100NB mechanism and the IDE port of 2.5 
drives.  The zip mechanism uses a tiny (about 1-inch long) interface 
with 24/48 pins.  I don't know what this is called.  And I don't know 
what other sorts of mechanisms might use that 1 interface, such that 
I might swap them in to replace the zip.  I await further suggestions!

--Jim.

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Re: Unsubscribe email

2002-06-23 Thread Jim Eddy

On 6/22/02 6:38 PM, Gene Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Saturday, June 22, 2002, at 06:02 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 
 I would like to say that Dan and I have been talking about a way to
 fix this but it would be many moons in the making.
 
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 Gee,   now that's real dedication, you mean you and Dan would go to the
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lombard hinges dying?

2002-06-23 Thread Don P.

In the following message  the statement  is there a
rule for pismo modems dying (i.e. like 
lombard hinges dying after certain time) has me
worried. I just bought a Lamabard. Is there a problem
with the hinges?
I have 2 of 2300c, one of which popped its hinges
mysteriouslly. Any idea of the cause or a fix? I've
had no problem with the second 2300c but I don't want
it to do the same.
Thanks,
Don

previous message:
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:28:26 +0100
Subject: pismo 400 (september 2000) modem dying?
From: vlad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi list

is there any set of occurences for one to notice that
pismo internal 
modem is dying? is there a rule for pismo modems
dying (i.e. like 
lombard hinges dying after certain time)...my modem
started having 
trouble connecting, started dropping connection,
connecting at 28800, 
42667, 24000, 32670, saying it's connected and going
nowhere (sitting 
idle) etc...could it be noisy tel line? if it's
modem, how does one 
replace it? and for how much?tech tool is saying
some registry or 
register has failed the test

same things are happening both in os x 10.1.5 and in
os 9.2.2...

i have two ISPs, happens with both (one is AOL).

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Re: Unsubscribe email

2002-06-23 Thread Ryan Coleman

On 6/22/02 6:38 PM, Gene Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  On Saturday, June 22, 2002, at 06:02 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:

  I would like to say that Dan and I have been talking about a way to
  fix this but it would be many moons in the making.

  --
  Ryan Coleman

  Gee,   now that's real dedication, you mean you and Dan would go to the
  extent of
  'mooning' just to solve this prob. Now, I am impressed (:--))

  Gene
  (please excuse my foolishness, but I couldn't resist.)


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Many moons?!

You know, I go out of town for a day and the following happens:
1) People poke fun at me (I am ok with this, btw)
2) My roommate niether feeds nor gives water to my cat. Thus:
3) She vomits. Maybe twice. UGH. I should skip paying rent for having 
to wash my floor (again).

Just commenting :-)
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Re: Subject: Serial printer on USB adaptor (repost)

2002-06-23 Thread Seth

Wow! No USB port on the 850? I've got a Stylus Color 740 and it has all
three: PC serial, USB, and Apple printer port. Plus the drivers were built
into OS X (*I consider myself lucky*)

Have you tried the obvious yet:

1. Go to Print Center (hope/pray permissions aren't screwed up so you
can launch it), 

2. Select Printers and View Printer List,

2a. If it's not listed there, Click Add Printer and go to 'USB' or
'Epson USB' (depending on the driver), add it there, and that should do it.

HTH,

Seth

 
on 6/23/02 5:50 AM, Roger Shufflebottom at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
coherently stated:

 (Sorry if you get this twice)
 
 Forgive me if this has been covered but . . . I've just got a new
 TIBook (800 - very nice too). I'm diving into Mac OS X for the first
 time (so far so good) BUT I have an Epson Stylus Color 850 printer
 which has the old serial connector. I've installed a Keyspan
 USB-serial adaptor and downloaded the correct Mac OS X Epson printer
 driver but the PB does not see the printer. The Keyspan utility sees
 the adaptor but that's all.
 
 I'm waiting for a reply from Keyspan. Anybody out there have any
 advice (apart from buy a new printer)?
 
 TIA
 
 Roger Shufflebottom


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Re: Unsubscribe email

2002-06-23 Thread George Gunderson


On Sunday, June 23, 2002, at 05:21 , Ryan Coleman wrote:


 2) My roommate niether feeds nor gives water to my cat. Thus:
 3) She vomits. Maybe twice. UGH. I should skip paying rent for having
 to wash my floor (again).
Ryan,

One of my cats vomited this morning...I woke to the sound of it...yuck!  
You should get a pair of those automatic dishes.  We have three cats and 
we'd go insane feeding them without it.  The food one holds 3 pounds of 
food and the water one is 2 quarts, IIRC.  Ours prefer to drink from the 
fish tanks (fish haven't come up missing yet, tho ;-)

Best,

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Re: lombard hinges dying?

2002-06-23 Thread vlad

Sorry, didn't mean to scare anyone nor put anyone off of Lombard...Just 
remembered I saw plenty of messages on Lombard hinges and used it to 
clarify the rule

vlad

On Sunday, June 23, 2002, at 08:40 , Don P. wrote:

 In the following message  the statement  is there a
 rule for pismo modems dying (i.e. like
 lombard hinges dying after certain time) has me
 worried. I just bought a Lamabard. Is there a problem
 with the hinges?
 I have 2 of 2300c, one of which popped its hinges
 mysteriouslly. Any idea of the cause or a fix? I've
 had no problem with the second 2300c but I don't want
 it to do the same.
 Thanks,
 Don


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Re: pismo 400 (september 2000) modem dying?

2002-06-23 Thread James Rohde

On 6/23/02 2:30 PM vlad edified us all by writing:

[regarding AOL]

they're the only ISP that doesn't ditch you after two hour connection 
here in UK...
Sorry to hear that - I've become spoiled, but only after switching ISP's 
a couple of times last year (one even dropped their local dial-up without 
bothering to notify users!). Guess you have to take the best of what you 
can get. Does AOL-UK still do the hourly charges? That's one reason I 
quit them (but not the only, I can assure you)...


 Another thing to check which I've done (when my modem would have
 connection difficulties) is to use Extensions Manager to turn off modem,
 TCP/IP and Remote Access and then restart and turn them back on and
 restart a second time. And/or trash the prefs files for those and/or
 those for Internet CP prefs. Sometimes flaky things go away when you
 ditch the preference files (or course, make sure you write down how all
 those settings are, and yes, it is a pain).


how does one do that in os x (i mostly use os x)
I'll have to defer to our more updated associates here, as I've been 
dragging my heels on going to X until (most of) the major bugs are worked 
out (little things like reading DVDs on my Pismo's drive, drivers for my 
Epson 740, and a few more).

My guess would be that if you can use Terminal to send Hayes-type 
commands to your modem (i.e.:
ATH
ATZ
etc.), you could try resetting the modem that way. But as I said, I'm 
only guessing, since I've not laid hands on any MacOS X yet. Anyone else 
care to jump in here and help vlad?

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Re: Unsubscribe email

2002-06-23 Thread James Rohde

On 6/23/02 2:30 PM Jim Eddy edified us all by writing:


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So is that second one a rabbit??? ;-)

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Re: lombard hinges dying?

2002-06-23 Thread DavidWedge

A note of perspective on the horrible situation with Lombard hinges failing.

The general lifespan of a standard PC desktop is considered around 6months. 
After that it's obsolete.
The general lifespan of a standard Mac desktop/tower is considered around 
9months-1yr.After that it's obsolete
The general lifespan of a standard PC laptop (toshiba/IBM/Dell) is generally 
considered around a year. After that it's obsolete.
THhe general lifespan of a standard Mac laptop is generally considered around 
18 months.

I'm sure this will start a flame war about somebody's Mac512k that is not 
obsolete, but those of us in the real world need to have machines which will 
run modern software at modern speeds. The rest of Mayberry may want to use an 
LCII and consider it modern, but it isn't.  I still use my Powerbook 170 
(from 1989), but it is obsolete.

Now.  The lombard was built in 1999. That is more than 6, 9, 12, 18, or even 
24 months ago.  That is more like 36-48 months.   Maybe YOUR car runs 350,000 
miles without needing a new timing belt, but mine doesn't. Perhaps your car 
goes 400,000 miles without having the shocks get a little springy. Mine 
doesn't. 

I happened to look at the spec's on my Pismo this afternoon. It's a 2000, 
500mhz, and the drive is a 6month old 30gig fujitsu. It shows just over 
4.8MILLION writes to the drive.  That's not read/writes--that's JUST writes.  
Anyone care to comment on how they'd feel after 4million of ANYTHING?  

Get a grip people.  A laptop running the equivalent of a third lifetime is 
going to have a few problems!  Even if it is a Mac, it's not perfect!  

Yes the Lombard hinges do tend to get weak over time. But they're NOT THAT 
BAD.  And considering that they can be replaced for less than $100, it's 
probably not worth whining about too much.  If I were bent double four or 
five times a day, then slung in a backpack and bounced across town, I'd 
probably fail after three or four years. What about you?

Thanks,
David

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Re: lombard hinges dying?

2002-06-23 Thread Remy Davison

Yes the Lombard hinges do tend to get weak over time. But they're NOT THAT 
BAD.  And considering that they can be replaced for less than $100, it's 
probably not worth whining about too much.  If I were bent double four or 
five times a day, then slung in a backpack and bounced across town, I'd 
probably fail after three or four years. What about you?
Agreed, although I haven't encountered the total failure experienced by 
WS owners. My Lombard hinges're getting a bit, er, floppy. But it's not 
surprising as it gets a really tough workout 24/7. (frankly, I wouldn't 
buy it from me ;-)

Cheers,

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Re: Unsubscribe email

2002-06-23 Thread George Gunderson


On Sunday, June 23, 2002, at 06:58 , George Gunderson wrote:


 On Sunday, June 23, 2002, at 05:21 , Ryan Coleman wrote:


 2) My roommate niether feeds nor gives water to my cat. Thus:
 3) She vomits. Maybe twice. UGH. I should skip paying rent for having
 to wash my floor (again).
 Ryan,

 One of
snip
  yet, tho ;-)

Apologies, not meant for the list's eyes!

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Re: Anyone Having Problems w/10.1.5?

2002-06-23 Thread Joseph Ferrare

I haven't had any of those issues with Mail.  I''ve done all those 
actions routinely since upgrading, and have yet to have it freeze or kill 
me with the spinning beach ball.  It's about as snappy as it ever was on 
my Pismo 500 1gig with a 32 gig IBM drive.

See ya,

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Re: Test

2002-06-23 Thread George Gunderson


On Sunday, June 23, 2002, at 05:42 , Roger Shufflebottom wrote:

 Testing - new PB - anyone seeing this?

Coming through loud and clear...enjoy your new 'book!

Best Regards,
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Re: Anyone Having Problems w/10.1.5?

2002-06-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin

on 23/06/02 19:22, Michael Bryan Bell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use the arrow key to navigate through the messages in my inbox. I'll
 get the little spinning disc/ball and a few seconds of being frozen and
 then I'm unlocked. I haven't had to force quit.
 Anyone else notice slower response in the mac mail app in 10.1.5?
 
 Most of those around me don't use it, so I can't speak to that... I know
 quicktime seems to have taken some big steps backwards on a bunch of our
 machines.
 
 Where before we could play mpeg fairly well, now they have all sorts of
 problems playing. One trick we've found is that in order to get acceptable
 frame rates you have to have a mousedown event- ie, click and let the drop
 down for the help menu fall and keep it there- everything will play
 normally.
 
 On one of the dev lists this was explained as since your app is registering
 a mouse down, it automatically gets higher priority... I've seen it help in
 a bunch of other apps also.

Yep, that's what I would think. Somehow, the app doesn't get a high enough
priority.

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Re: X isn't that bad - Was: pismo 400 (september 2000) modem dying?

2002-06-23 Thread Seth McBean

 
On Sunday,  23, 2002, at 08:18PM, James Rohde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'll have to defer to our more updated associates here, as I've been 
dragging my heels on going to X until (most of) the major bugs are worked 
out (little things like reading DVDs on my Pismo's drive, drivers for my 
Epson 740, and a few more).


Hey as an avid OS X advocate let me just clarify the fact that OS X does have drivers 
built in for the Epson 740. I'm print on one right now and I surely don't notice any 
lag in performance as compared to OS 9. In fact, I think it's more reliable in 
printing from X on the Pismo than on the C600 running 9.2.2. Also DVDs mount and play 
fine for me under X as well. I'm not familiar with any issue with some Pismo DVD 
players wont play under X. The only problem I may have the normal problems with DVDs 
that are not Mac-compatible. The new DVD Player evern lets me open VIDEO_TS folders 
from off my local drive.

Seth

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Odd sound no startup on Wallstreet

2002-06-23 Thread Beverly Woods

Hi folks,

  just got back from a couple of days away, during which we left my
partner's Wallstreet unplugged, it being stormy. The Wallstreet is a G3/300
which has previously given difficulty if you try to start from the battery,
but never had this kind of problem before.

  Pushing the power button produces only an electronic purr or rattle, with
the AC adapter, or rapid series of clicks with just the battery. No other
sound and no startup follows. Any information on this condition and possible
remedies for it would be very much appreciated.

TIA,

Beverly
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Re: Anyone Having Problems w/10.1.5?/OS X without OS 9

2002-06-23 Thread Michael Bryan Bell

 Apple techs have told me conflicting things about running OS X without
 having OS 9 installed. One said, no problem, the other said that there'd
 be some problems but wouldn't get specific. My Applecare call was about
 resetting PRAM and he didn't want to go to far into the topic.
 Anyone actually running OS X without OS ?

I know a few... Most people just don't recommend it right now. You just
never know, and installing OS9 =after= OSX can for some reason cause major
ca ca to ensue.

In fact, one guy I know with a tibook got bitten because apple released a
firmware upgrade that you had to boot into OS9 for. Another got nailed
because he thought all of his apps were carbonized or native, then needed to
work a real video file from the web.

 Will Jaguar drop allow one to drop the Classic environment?

You can do it right now, actually.



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Re: lombard hinges dying?

2002-06-23 Thread Michael Bryan Bell

 A note of perspective on the horrible situation with Lombard hinges failing.

*nods* I see where you are coming from, but I don't agree with it.

 The general lifespan of a standard PC desktop is considered around 6months.
 After that it's obsolete.

No, it's not. It is only if you define obsolete to mean not the fastest out
there. In all honesty, every single mac sold right now is obsolete if you
take use that definition, for almost every single function out there.

Functional obsolescence is generally defined by a product not being able to
meet your current needs, or it becomes more expensive to use the current
product than to buy the newer model.

If I want to play return to castle wolfenstein, then the old 500mhz tibook's
are obsolete, and some would say the 550-667mhz machines are also. If I want
to do numerous other tasks, they are not.

 The general lifespan of a standard Mac desktop/tower is considered around
 9months-1yr.After that it's obsolete

Actually, it's not. The current consensus is more of around 3 years, with a
large portion of it being 4 years... But 3 years is the sweet spot for
consumer/large shop upgrades.

This is why you see major changes in apple's product line every 2.75-3 years
or so, because at that point often the people with older machines are
looking to upgrade because their current one is not meeting today's needs
and new ones have greatly increased capabilities, and it isn't cost
effective to continue with their current solution.

The only reason this changes is if there is a dramatic technological shift
in a quick short of time. This happens rarely.

 The general lifespan of a standard PC laptop (toshiba/IBM/Dell) is generally
 considered around a year. After that it's obsolete.
 THhe general lifespan of a standard Mac laptop is generally considered around
 18 months.

Lol. Seriously, who considers this to be true? Where can you find
statistical data?

What you are saying is that if you buy a laptop, it should only work for two
years, after that you should buy a new one. I don't buy that, and never will
buy into it.

I agree that you shouldn't complain about the computer you buy today not
being able to do whatever you want it to do 2 years later (less the
manufacturer says otherwise)- it should do everything it did when you bought
it for a good length of time.

If you buy a cheap stereo, you can't be surprised when it stops working
after a year or two because they use cheap inadequate parts to get by. If
you buy a high-end dennon system or grado headphones, you SHOULD be
surprised if they stop working after awhile.

This is the thing. You don't bitch about the wall streets falling apart, so
they don't make the lombards not fall apart, and now the tibook's have their
hinges falling off and cracking after a few months of light use for some.

This actually has bitten me- I have had 2 apple laptops have major hinge
problems. One was a tangerine ibook (14 months old, under applecare) and
apple just decided not to fix it. Cost $600. Had the same happen on a
tibook.

 I'm sure this will start a flame war about somebody's Mac512k that is not
 obsolete, but those of us in the real world need to have machines which will
 run modern software at modern speeds. The rest of Mayberry may want to use an
 LCII and consider it modern, but it isn't.  I still use my Powerbook 170
 (from 1989), but it is obsolete.

This is very short sided. You're using a terribly exaggerated example in
order to make the other side look foolish.

He is not talking about his lombard not running OS 10.5 the way he wants, or
performance issues. Simply hardware failures due to design flaws or cheap
parts.

And I can go with him on that- it isn't as though he bought a cheap $110
palm m100 and then can't believe it when the buttons start to fall off after
awhile. Lombards were $3k+ luxury machines.

The lombard is not someone bitching that their mac512k is falling apart.

 Now.  The lombard was built in 1999. That is more than 6, 9, 12, 18, or even
 24 months ago.  That is more like 36-48 months.   Maybe YOUR car runs 350,000
 miles without needing a new timing belt, but mine doesn't. Perhaps your car
 goes 400,000 miles without having the shocks get a little springy. Mine
 doesn't. 
 
 I happened to look at the spec's on my Pismo this afternoon. It's a 2000,
 500mhz, and the drive is a 6month old 30gig fujitsu. It shows just over
 4.8MILLION writes to the drive.  That's not read/writes--that's JUST writes.
 Anyone care to comment on how they'd feel after 4million of ANYTHING?

Well, this is a hard drive. It is =made= to do that. This is not a specific
apple designed part failing across machines.

 Get a grip people.  A laptop running the equivalent of a third lifetime is
 going to have a few problems!

I think they do have a grip, they just live in a different world than you do
and have different expectations.

With apple machines, I remember that if one would suddenly not boot 90% of
the time it had to do with 

Re: lombard hinges dying?

2002-06-23 Thread PirateDyl

I'm sorry, but after reading david's e-mail, I just couldn't stop cracking up!

I'm sure this will start a flame war about somebody's Mac512k that is not 
obsolete, but those of us in the real world need to have machines which will 
run modern software at modern speeds. The rest of Mayberry may want to use an 
LCII and consider it modern, but it isn't.

Oh yeah, that's obsolete, I'll agree with you. But one thing that apple has 
always been strong in is durability. That's why we still HAVE our performas 
and quadras and powerbook 520c's and why maybe two people have their old 386 
packard bell's. Apple's products are just overall much more reliable. So I 
can understand why someone would be concerned that their apple product has a 
specific part that might wear out. Its not really as common as other 
household products.

 Maybe YOUR car runs 350,000 
miles without needing a new timing belt, but mine doesn't. Perhaps your car 
goes 400,000 miles without having the shocks get a little springy. Mine 
doesn't. 

If apple made cars, I bet mine would wouldn't need a new belt, and I bet the 
shocks would be comfortable ( = . Then again, if microsoft built cars, they 
would be ten dollars, go a million miles an hour, and crash every month, 
killing all the passengers. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!)

I happened to look at the spec's on my Pismo this afternoon. It's a 2000, 
500mhz, and the drive is a 6month old 30gig fujitsu. It shows just over 
4.8MILLION writes to the drive.  That's not read/writes--that's JUST writes.  
Anyone care to comment on how they'd feel after 4million of ANYTHING?  

Well, since you asked... 
At this point I just started laughing. I mean, I can understand your points, 
but don't get so carried away, buddy. 4.8 million bucks would make me feel 
pretty damned good. And also, I don't see how the hard drive has anything to 
do with the hinges- Hard drives get written to and even to write a megabyte, 
it will have accessed 1024 byte locations and written to each. Heck, those 
megabytes add up, don't they? I think you see where I'm going with that one. 
Especially cause you know how your pismo's hard drive really has too much to 
do with a lombard's hinges.

Get a grip people.  A laptop running the equivalent of a third lifetime is 
going to have a few problems!  Even if it is a Mac, it's not perfect! 

Well, we weren't freaking out or selling our lombards or crying hysterically 
in our houses, so don't tell us to get a grip. It just annoys me. Oh yeah, 
and I don't think anyone can consider the shelf life of a product to be its 
lifetime. My quicksilver dual 800's G4 is running the same up to date 
software like adobe 6 and lightwave as the quicksilvers released a year 
later. Again, I think you know that I just consider everything you wrote from 
about two paragraphs previous to this to be overkill and inaccurate.

And considering that they can be replaced for less than $100, it's 
probably not worth whining about too much.  If I were bent double [over?] 
four or 
five times a day, then slung in a backpack and bounced across town, I'd 
probably fail after three or four years. What about you?

Well, I hardly consider two or three concerned e-mails to be whining. Oh yea, 
and us students usually DO have to bend over for our five times a day with a 
bookbag and so far I haven't failed. I mean, wouldn't have said anything 
about that, but you asked What about you? ( :

Okay, that's all for me. Thanks for being such a good sport, I think you can 
recognize that everyone gets a little over zealous once and again ( =

-Dyl

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Re: lombard hinges dying?

2002-06-23 Thread Michael Bryan Bell

 And considering that they can be replaced for less than $100, it's
 probably not worth whining about too much.  If I were bent double [over?]
 four or 
 five times a day, then slung in a backpack and bounced across town, I'd
 probably fail after three or four years. What about you?

*grins*

If you really want to compare computer parts to anatomy, really, compare the
hinges to a part that really has to go up and down a few times a day.

I dunno about you, but I'd be asking god for a warranty if that part failed
on me after a few years (or my significant other would).


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