Re: On the road again

[wappling]

RE; I use my powerbook in bed,I found a wallmount for TV's at home depot are
pretty easy to mount to just about anything,I had not thought of automotive
use.but may be close to what you are looking for,and not very expensive if
it will work, hope this helps

on 1/30/03 11:02 PM, Byron Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The PowerBook is secured with a nylon strap running between the back
> cushion and seat underneath and back up to the front of the seat. Then
> I buckle it together after crossing the strap over the PowerBook over
> the On/Off button area. The strap is about 3/4 inch wide so this allows
> me to cover only the top buttons but not any keys. I cinch it tight and
> that keeps the PB still. Granted, it won't stop the PB from flying in a
> wreck or rearender, but does work for a hard brake. I learned the hard
> way when I sent it flying during one trip before I used the strap.
> Braked hard at a light and it went flying off the seat. Fortunately, my
> soft side portfolio was in the floor and padded the fall. I decided
> never again so came up with the strap. I looked into getting a mount
> for laptops but that cost several hundred dollars.  Maybe I will make
> one someday...
> 
>


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Bus Speeds of G3 Models

[Frank Cornew]

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>>  .and checked the bus speed of those models at Apple Spec.
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Re: On the road again

[Thomas Ethen]

I use exactly the same setup, but with a bungee cord instead of a strap to
hold it in place. Normally I use my 2300c instead of my Pismo, because it is
smaller and cheaper to replace if anything happens to it. I have a Garman
GPS III+ on the dash, but the screen on the 2300c and the Street Atlas map
is really great and much larger than the GPS III+.

I also wish they would bring back support for the Mac, but version 6 still
works for me 99% of the time.

Tom

on 1/30/03 10:02 PM, Byron Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The PowerBook is secured with a nylon strap running between the back
> cushion and seat underneath and back up to the front of the seat. Then
> I buckle it together after crossing the strap over the PowerBook over
> the On/Off button area. The strap is about 3/4 inch wide so this allows
> me to cover only the top buttons but not any keys. I cinch it tight and
> that keeps the PB still. Granted, it won't stop the PB from flying in a
> wreck or rearender, but does work for a hard brake. I learned the hard
> way when I sent it flying during one trip before I used the strap.
> Braked hard at a light and it went flying off the seat. Fortunately, my
> soft side portfolio was in the floor and padded the fall. I decided
> never again so came up with the strap. I looked into getting a mount
> for laptops but that cost several hundred dollars.  Maybe I will make
> one someday...
> 
> I follow the progress on the screen just the way you think I do.
> Glances back and forth. Keep in mind that I rarely look at it while
> underway until I get close to my destination. I meet with many
> companies in many cities in IL and MO. I locate the address on the
> roadside prior to arrival and mark the destination. Then, as I get
> closer, I refer to the map onscreen to see streets and turns. It is no
> difference to someone glancing at a map as they drive. I'm not talking
> constant staring at the screen anymore than you would constantly stare
> at a paper map.
> 
> The GPS is magnificent to use and very accurate. It is just too bad
> that Delorme has decided to drop support to Mac users. Even at version
> 6.0, my Street Atlas is still very accurate.
> 
> And so it goes...
> 
> Byron


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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[RogueWriter]

I've had X on my Pismo 400 since 10.1 came out.  I've never regretted 
it.  I never boot into 9 anymore.

Erick

On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 22:51 America/Indianapolis, Kathryn Odell 
wrote:
> I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
> satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os 
> x
> applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made 
> the
> switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
> Thanks, Kate


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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

On 1/30/2003 8:51 PM Kathryn Odell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
>satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
>applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
>switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
>
>I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
>advice.
>
>Thanks, Kate


I've been running OSX on my Pismo 400 since the beta. Runs wonderfully. I 
use Classic on occasion, though more often when I am traveling because I 
haven't quite migrated from Claris Emailer (which runs great in Jaguar's 
Classic BTW).
I just upgraded the RAM to 768MB and have a 30GB in 2 partitions: 6BG for 
OS 9.2 and OS 9 apps, and the rest for OSX, its apps and all all my 
personal docs.

OSX is great Jaguar is heads and shoulders above 10.1.

Turtle-Bear

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Pismo, G4, Printer Sharing and DeskJet 5550

[Scott Crick]

Hi All!

This one has me stumped!

I am attempting to use Printer Sharing in Mac OS X 10.2.3 with an HP DeskJet
5550. The printer is connected to my QuickSilver G4/933 and prints fine from
that system. 

I am attempting to set up my Pismo (Rev. B) 400 running 10.2.3 to print to
this printer. The driver is installed on the Powerbook. The printer shows up
in the Print Center and shows that the printer is a remote printer connected
to the G4. 

However, any attempt to print on the PowerBook will cause whatever
application is attempting to print to unexpectedly quit even before the
Print dialog box appears.

The HP is a printer that I purchased about a month ago. Before, I used an
Epson Stylus 740. I was able to print fine via Printer Sharing to this
printer. It was not until I attempted to use the HP from the PowerBook that
I experienced problems.

Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be wrong and how I can go about
getting printing to work from my PowerBook again?

Thanks in advance!

Sincerely,

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Mark_PHILIP]

Hi Kate.
I'm using a Pismo 400 with 192MB RAM & OSX runs well on it.
It's not as snappy as in 9, but it's acceptable for a system wiht 192MB.
I prefer the snappiness of OS9, but there are some good apps in X as well.
It really depends on what apps you use.
I find myself shuttling between 9 and X, but 320MB of RAM should suffice
for speedy performance in 10.2.

For instance, I use Nisus Writer a lot (9 or classic only), so I find
myself using OS9 a lot more than X. Other than Omnigraffle, I don't have an
intense need to use OS X. But superior memory management and UNIX stability
is very enticing indeed. I will shift over when I get a memory upgrade to
1GIG.

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Re: On the road again

[Byron Gardner]

The PowerBook is secured with a nylon strap running between the back 
cushion and seat underneath and back up to the front of the seat. Then 
I buckle it together after crossing the strap over the PowerBook over 
the On/Off button area. The strap is about 3/4 inch wide so this allows 
me to cover only the top buttons but not any keys. I cinch it tight and 
that keeps the PB still. Granted, it won't stop the PB from flying in a 
wreck or rearender, but does work for a hard brake. I learned the hard 
way when I sent it flying during one trip before I used the strap. 
Braked hard at a light and it went flying off the seat. Fortunately, my 
soft side portfolio was in the floor and padded the fall. I decided 
never again so came up with the strap. I looked into getting a mount 
for laptops but that cost several hundred dollars.  Maybe I will make 
one someday...

I follow the progress on the screen just the way you think I do. 
Glances back and forth. Keep in mind that I rarely look at it while 
underway until I get close to my destination. I meet with many 
companies in many cities in IL and MO. I locate the address on the 
roadside prior to arrival and mark the destination. Then, as I get 
closer, I refer to the map onscreen to see streets and turns. It is no 
difference to someone glancing at a map as they drive. I'm not talking 
constant staring at the screen anymore than you would constantly stare 
at a paper map.

The GPS is magnificent to use and very accurate. It is just too bad 
that Delorme has decided to drop support to Mac users. Even at version 
6.0, my Street Atlas is still very accurate.

And so it goes...

Byron

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 07:38 PM, Tom Meade wrote:

> From: Byron Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> I am using Street Atlas w/ a GPS connected to a USB card while driving.
> Very useful and lasts about 2 hours. I have a power converter in the 
> car <
>
> Response:
> Do you mean while actually driving? How does that work - do you follow
> your progress on the screen? How do you secure your Book?
> Tom Meade
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 30/01/03 22:51, Kathryn Odell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
> satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
> applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
> switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
> 
> I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
> advice.

I got OS X on my Pismo since 10.1, I think, and, even if I was almost always
booted in OS X, when I got 10.2, I've never looked back. Sure, there are a
few things that are not as snappy than in 9, but after a little while, you
discover what multitasking and protected memory really mean!

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Gary E Davis]

Hi

I can't speak for the Pismo but I'm running OSX Jaguar on a 266Mhz
wallstreet with 320meg ram and Its running fine with no real obvious
slowdown I can see from 9.2.2 on the same machine. I would think with the
faster CPU and the faster Bus OSX sould run great on a Pismo

Gary


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I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?

I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
advice.

Thanks, Kate



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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[David M. Ensteness]

All I have on my Pismo is OS X v.10.2.3, no OS 9 at all. I just 
upgraded the RAM and hard drive to 768MB/40GB 5400rpm but I had been 
running a 400MHz/320MB/10GB for about a year and it has been very well, 
I can't stand to work in 9 on it so I just took it off. 10.2 is very 
snappy for me.

David

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 10:51  PM, Kathryn Odell wrote:

> I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
> satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os 
> x
> applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made 
> the
> switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
>
> I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) 
> awaiting
> advice.
>
> Thanks, Kate

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Pismo to X, or not?

[Kathryn Odell]

I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?

I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
advice.

Thanks, Kate


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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Byron Gardner]

Hummm, I will have to look into that a little more then. I do remember 
Sonnet mentioning about the processor cycling problem but, you bring up 
an interesting thought.

Byron

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 05:35 PM, P.F.Grenier wrote:

>
> On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 17:30 US/Eastern, Byron Gardner wrote:
>
>>
>> One thing to note about using a Sonnet upgrade--you can't use 
>> processor
>> cycling in OS 9 as this will lock up the PowerBook. I am talking
>> freezing solid. Sonnet will tell you this in their literature. They're
>> right.
>>
>>
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> The processor cycling issue is related to the use of the USB card,
> IIRC. I haven't heard anything related processor upgrades.
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Re: Cpu upgrades for Wallstreet

[Jeff Hubatka]

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 11:06 am, (G-Books) wrote:

> From: "Gary E Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet
> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:29:50 -0800
>
> Hi Andre
>
> Here's the site http://www.sonnettech.com/
>
> It appears they are easy to install. The 500Mhz G3 upgrade is listed 
> at $300
> and the 500Mhz G4 is $400
>
> Gary
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet
>
> Where can one get these upgrades? How much are they? And are they hard 
> to
> install?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andre


Provantage has the G3 for $267 and change right now, currently the best 
price I could find. I'm still thinking about one for my Wallstreet too.

JSH


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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Joe Ellis]

On 1/30/03 1:41 PM, "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Laurent Daudelin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem
> 
> 
>> On 30/01/03 13:00, "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>> to take the time to isolate the problem by dropping back to OS 9 and
> seeing
>>> if I can get it to sleep there, if it does, it can't be a power manager
>>> problem, it will have to relate to OS X. No conclusions until I see how
> it
>>> runs in OS 9.
>> 
>> I often have Entourage v.X and iChat up and running, with Entourage set to
>> check mail every 10 minutes and it doesn't prevent my Pismo from sleeping
>> nor does it wake it up. There must be something else with your setup...
>> 
>> -Laurent.
>> --
> As I said need to look at a couple of other things before I make a final
> diagnosis, BTW has anyone had any experience with power manager
> problems/symptoms? I'm an old Navy Electronics Technician so I'm not afraid
> to use a screwdriver or voltmeter (sometimes to my chagrin).
> 
> Joe Ellis
> 
Well, got home tonight and the FedEx box to ship my processor back for
refurbishment was here. Decided I check out my sleep problem before I take
the beast apart for the upgrade.

Started up in OS 9.2.1 and tried to get it to go to sleep, the screen goes
dark, sleep light blinks once and it immediately wakes up. Same thing in OS
10.2.3! Close the lid, sleep light blinks but I can hear the hard drive
cycling. With all the other tests I've run, I'm now fairly certain my power
manager card is faulty. I guess I'll spend the time waiting for my upgrade
being returned trying to confirm it.

Anyone on the list ever see the power manager fail this way? Resetting per
the Apple technical article does no good, neither does zapping the PRAM.

Joe Ellis


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On the road again

[Tom Meade]

From: Byron Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I am using Street Atlas w/ a GPS connected to a USB card while driving.
Very useful and lasts about 2 hours. I have a power converter in the car <

Response:
Do you mean while actually driving? How does that work - do you follow
your progress on the screen? How do you secure your Book?
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[P . F . Grenier]

On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 17:30 US/Eastern, Byron Gardner wrote:

>
> One thing to note about using a Sonnet upgrade--you can't use processor
> cycling in OS 9 as this will lock up the PowerBook. I am talking
> freezing solid. Sonnet will tell you this in their literature. They're
> right.
>
>

The processor cycling issue is related to the use of the USB card, 
IIRC. I haven't heard anything related processor upgrades.


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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Byron Gardner]

Battery life for me has been shorten but not excessively. As we all 
know there are some many variables when it comes to measuring battery 
life. I have a battery in each bay for both of my WS PB's and I can get 
on average 2.5 to three hours of life. Be advised that I use a PC card 
for Firewire and USB and this will take additional power.

If I really wanted to I could scale down power usage and extend this to 
3.5 to 4 hours max.

One thing to note about using a Sonnet upgrade--you can't use processor 
cycling in OS 9 as this will lock up the PowerBook. I am talking 
freezing solid. Sonnet will tell you this in their literature. They're 
right.

I am using Street Atlas w/ a GPS connected to a USB card while driving. 
Very useful and last about 2 hours. I have a power converter in the car 
when the batts get low.

Byron

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 04:19  PM, David Pekarsky wrote:

>   I too have a question regarding the processor upgrades for the
> wallstreet machines.  What can one expect for battery life after the
> upgrade especially for the G4 upgrade?  Can someone who has the upgrade
> comment on this?
> Also to clarify a point made earlier, not all powerbook series II
> machines (first series wallstreet, second series PDQ, of the
> "wallstreet" series II powerbook) have a 66mhz bus speed.  The original
> 292mhz and others of the "wallstreet" powerbook series have an 82mhz
> bus speed as a comment was made earlier indicating that all of the
> wallstreet and PDQ series had a 66mhz bus speed.  See lowendmac.com's
> profile on the machines for clarification on the machine's naming
> scheme which as usual, is quite confusing.
> Dave
>
> PDQ Powerbook 300mhz, 8gb, 384mb, and 10.2.3
>
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Re: Bus Speeds of G3 Models

[Alan Miller]

bobshutts wrote:

> .and checked the bus speed of those models at Apple Spec.

Where is that URL?

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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[David Pekarsky]

I too have a question regarding the processor upgrades for the 
wallstreet machines.  What can one expect for battery life after the 
upgrade especially for the G4 upgrade?  Can someone who has the upgrade 
comment on this?
Also to clarify a point made earlier, not all powerbook series II 
machines (first series wallstreet, second series PDQ, of the 
"wallstreet" series II powerbook) have a 66mhz bus speed.  The original 
292mhz and others of the "wallstreet" powerbook series have an 82mhz 
bus speed as a comment was made earlier indicating that all of the 
wallstreet and PDQ series had a 66mhz bus speed.  See lowendmac.com's 
profile on the machines for clarification on the machine's naming 
scheme which as usual, is quite confusing.
Dave

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Re: Bus Speeds of G3 Models

[Luca Rescigno]

> Hello List Members
>
> I followed the recent discussions about Wallstreet upgrades with 
> interest.
> The comments about the WS 66 mhz bus speed "capping" real world 
> performance
> improvements was well-taken.
>
> I was considering a Lombard and checked the bus speed of those models 
> at
> Apple Spec.  Apple says the Lombard has a 66/83 mhz bus.
>
> Does anyone know what a 66/83 mhz bus speed means?
> -- 
> Cheers,
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> http://www.jolietlawfirm.com

The first generation Wallstreet had a 66 MHz bus on the low end 233 MHz 
model, and an 83 MHz bus on the 250 and 292 MHz models. After that, 
Apple standardized on the 66 MHz bus, so the 266 and 300 MHz 
Wallstreets (second generation) both have 66 MHz buses. All Lombards 
use a 66 MHz bus.


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Bus Speeds of G3 Models

[bobshutts]

Hello List Members

I followed the recent discussions about Wallstreet upgrades with interest.
The comments about the WS 66 mhz bus speed "capping" real world performance
improvements was well-taken.

I was considering a Lombard and checked the bus speed of those models at
Apple Spec.  Apple says the Lombard has a 66/83 mhz bus.

Does anyone know what a 66/83 mhz bus speed means?
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Re: Pismo arrived.... at last!

[Bruce Johnson]

Dan Knight wrote:
> Joe Ellis writes:
> 
> 
>>Can't generate REAL envy until I figure out how to get a foldable 17"
>>display on the sucker.
> 
> 
> Why stop there? How about the equivelant of two 1280 x 854 15.2" screens 
> on Apple's rumored "WingBook"? See
> 
> 
>


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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Luca Rescigno]

Well, as he said, it would run on the regular firmware instead of 
requiring software to run. Are there problems when attempting to boot 
up from a volume that doesn't have the special software installed on 
it? For example, a system installer CD?

I'm not exactly sure how it works... the only accelerator I've ever 
owned was a Radius 25 MHz 68020 for an SE PDS slot, and somehow it 
managed to always work even if I didn't have the drivers installed on 
the startup disk. Maybe it was part of the processor's firmware or ROM 
or something.

Which makes me think... perhaps other accelerators require you to send 
you original card in, so they can upgrade the firmware to work with the 
new processor that they put on the original card? In that case, having 
an entire daughtercard replacement would be a big advantage because you 
wouldn't have to send anything in.

Anyway, I'm not quite sure what I'm talking about so anyone, feel free 
to correct me on any points.

> What will be the advantage of your upgrade to that of Sonnet or
> PowerLogix?
>
> Byron
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 03:00  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> FWIW, we're going to be releasing a 500mhz G3 card for the Wallstreet
>> within
>> 15 days, which will NOT require any software to run, as it runs on the
>> original apple firmware.  It will be quite competetively priced, and
>> will be
>> on our website..
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David


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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Byron Gardner]

What will be the advantage of your upgrade to that of Sonnet or 
PowerLogix?

Byron

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 03:00  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> FWIW, we're going to be releasing a 500mhz G3 card for the Wallstreet 
> within
> 15 days, which will NOT require any software to run, as it runs on the
> original apple firmware.  It will be quite competetively priced, and 
> will be
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>> Where can one get these upgrades? How much are they? And are they 
>> hard to
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>> Thanks,
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

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FWIW, we're going to be releasing a 500mhz G3 card for the Wallstreet within 
15 days, which will NOT require any software to run, as it runs on the 
original apple firmware.  It will be quite competetively priced, and will be 
on our website..

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In a message dated 1/30/03 2:26:25 PM, you wrote:

>Where can one get these upgrades? How much are they? And are they hard to
>install?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Andre 

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Re: Topics

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> I agree. If this constant banter of politics, NASA, the Simpson does 
> not stop, I will un-subscribe this children's gossip site and will 
> find a list that is geared towrad Mac professionals looking for 
> professional advise. Use iChat or some on line forum to discuss your 
> needless banters about life and politics.
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> This list has turned into a bunch of coffee clutching old ninnies!
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> I am sick of wasting my time looking through e-mail after e-mail that 
> contains nothing but useless junk.

I was fairly involved in the off-topic banter and I told the list 
publicly that I would make every effort to stop. I am telling that to 
the list again right now.

I'm glad that the off-topic messages have died down, but it's 
unfortunate that now the list is still polluted with complaints even 
after most people agreed that it would be stopped. So, everyone, keep 
your shirt on, and how about we just have a good time talking about G3 
and G4 based laptops! I won't send any more messages that are off 
topic... this will be the last one. And I think it's everyone's 
responsibility to warn the people discussing a topic when it starts to 
go off-topic, so we can prevent this. I know when I used to get 
repeated messages from the list mom because I would forget to delete 
the ads at the bottom when replying... well, after I had been told 
quite a few times, I got a more firm one saying that if I did that any 
more, I'd be temporarily banned. Now I haven't done that in ages.

We can all work together to ensure that everyone is at least somewhat 
happy. There will always be conflicts, when one person wants their 
topic to continue and another wants it to die, but we should at least 
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Jack Putnam]

Hello Andre, 

I think we have them in stock. Check out www.technowarehousellc.com.

Jack Putnam
TechnoWarehouse, LLC

> From: Andre Ruegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:23:27 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Subject: Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet
> 
> Where can one get these upgrades? How much are they? And are they hard to
> install?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andre 
> 
> 
> on 1/30/03 1:45 PM, Alan Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Gary E Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm thinking of
>>> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade? and
>>> considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be better
>>> to get it?
>> 
>> Wana run OS X get the G4.
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Re: Any TiBook Bargains out there?

[Russell Holt]

>
>> With the new PB's on the scene and getting lots of buzz can anyone
>> recommend
>> a venue for buying one of the original or later tibooks at a good
>> price? I'm
>> not a big fan of ebay (I'm not sure why...)
>>


The original rev A TiBooks are going for less than $1000 on eBay. I've 
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Hal]

If you're looking for a maxed out Pismo, let me know. Mine's for sale 
and has the Powerlogix G4/500 and 1GB ram.

-Hal
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Gary E Davis wrote:

> Thanks Hal
>
> Course there's also the low Vram Only 4meg. Makes me think it might be 
> a
> good idea to sell everything and hold out for a Pismo or a TIBook
>
> Gary
>
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>
>
> Another thing to remember, besides the 66mHz bus speed, is the limited
> graphics chip. The Wallstreet and Lombard use the older Rage Pro
> architecture. The Pismo and Rev.A Tibook use the Rage128 Mobility. It's
> noticeably faster. It's not as fast as the Radeon, but it's much faster
> than the Rage Pro.
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> just my $0.02.
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Hal]

When you put in the upgrade, the bus is downclocked to 66mHz. All of 
the upgrades I've seen only support 66mHz in Wallstreet and Lombard G3s.

-Hal
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 11:51 AM, Gary E Davis wrote:

> Thanks Byron
>
> I knew about the 66mhz bus speed. For what I usually do this is not a 
> big
> problem, Makes me wonder how this upgrade does on the series 1 
> wallstreets
> with their 83Mhz bus
>
> Gary
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Gary E Davis]

Thanks Byron

I knew about the 66mhz bus speed. For what I usually do this is not a big
problem, Makes me wonder how this upgrade does on the series 1 wallstreets
with their 83Mhz bus

Gary

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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Gary E Davis]

Thanks Hal

Course there's also the low Vram Only 4meg. Makes me think it might be a
good idea to sell everything and hold out for a Pismo or a TIBook

Gary

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Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:40 AM
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet


Another thing to remember, besides the 66mHz bus speed, is the limited
graphics chip. The Wallstreet and Lombard use the older Rage Pro
architecture. The Pismo and Rev.A Tibook use the Rage128 Mobility. It's
noticeably faster. It's not as fast as the Radeon, but it's much faster
than the Rage Pro.

just my $0.02.

-Hal



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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Byron Gardner]

Good point. I neglected to mention. This can be a big issue for OS X, 
although I have not had any problems to date. Some screensaver graphics 
and similar items run choppy.

Thanks,
Byron


On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 01:39  PM, Hal wrote:

> Another thing to remember, besides the 66mHz bus speed, is the limited
> graphics chip. The Wallstreet and Lombard use the older Rage Pro
> architecture. The Pismo and Rev.A Tibook use the Rage128 Mobility. It's
> noticeably faster. It's not as fast as the Radeon, but it's much faster
> than the Rage Pro.
>
> just my $0.02.
>
> -Hal
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 11:33 AM, Byron Gardner wrote:
>
>> Gary, let me give you my experiences.
>>
>> I have two WS PB, a 14 in screen and a 13 in screen. I have put a
>> Sonnet G3 500Mhz in both with easy installation and no problems in
>> operation. I am running OS 10.2.3 on both as well as OS 9.2.2. Neither
>> have had any problems.
>>
>> But be aware of something that most people overlook. No matter what
>> upgrade you install, the WS PB will only have a Bus speed of 66 MHZ.
>> You can install a G3 500MHz or a G4 500Mhz and you will still only 
>> have
>> a 66Mhz bus speed. That means that you can have all that power but it
>> gets choked down. That is why you will never see increases like the
>> present day PB which have 100 Mhz buses or better.
>>
>> Now, you will see a speed increase with the upgrades mentioned above.
>> It will be noticeable and you won't want to go back to what you had.
>> Benchmark testing will confirm an improvement in speed.
>>
>> Some have indicated an increase in temperature after the upgrade. I do
>> see a noticeable higher temp but nothing unbearable or dangerous.
>> Always use the PB with good circulation and not a lap pad or pillow
>> that restricts air flow. O/W you should be Okay.
>>
>> Executive Summary:
>>
>> - Noticeable speed increase with some elevation in operating temp.
>> - Not the same as newer PB due to bus speed limitations.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Byron
>>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 12:26  PM, Gary E Davis wonderfully
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm
>>> thinking of
>>> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade?
>>> and
>>> considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be
>>> better
>>> to get it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Rick Banuelos]

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 11:23  AM, Andre Ruegg wrote:

> Where can one get these upgrades? How much are they? And are they hard  
> to
> install?
>


http://store.sonnettech.com/sonnetstore/ 
detail.tmpl$search?db=products.db&eqskudata=WSG4-500- 
1M&cart=312677172227025


They are easy to install; I've never had a problem.



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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Hal]

Another thing to remember, besides the 66mHz bus speed, is the limited 
graphics chip. The Wallstreet and Lombard use the older Rage Pro 
architecture. The Pismo and Rev.A Tibook use the Rage128 Mobility. It's 
noticeably faster. It's not as fast as the Radeon, but it's much faster 
than the Rage Pro.

just my $0.02.

-Hal

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 11:33 AM, Byron Gardner wrote:

> Gary, let me give you my experiences.
>
> I have two WS PB, a 14 in screen and a 13 in screen. I have put a
> Sonnet G3 500Mhz in both with easy installation and no problems in
> operation. I am running OS 10.2.3 on both as well as OS 9.2.2. Neither
> have had any problems.
>
> But be aware of something that most people overlook. No matter what
> upgrade you install, the WS PB will only have a Bus speed of 66 MHZ.
> You can install a G3 500MHz or a G4 500Mhz and you will still only have
> a 66Mhz bus speed. That means that you can have all that power but it
> gets choked down. That is why you will never see increases like the
> present day PB which have 100 Mhz buses or better.
>
> Now, you will see a speed increase with the upgrades mentioned above.
> It will be noticeable and you won't want to go back to what you had.
> Benchmark testing will confirm an improvement in speed.
>
> Some have indicated an increase in temperature after the upgrade. I do
> see a noticeable higher temp but nothing unbearable or dangerous.
> Always use the PB with good circulation and not a lap pad or pillow
> that restricts air flow. O/W you should be Okay.
>
> Executive Summary:
>
> - Noticeable speed increase with some elevation in operating temp.
> - Not the same as newer PB due to bus speed limitations.
>
> Best Regards,
> Byron
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 12:26  PM, Gary E Davis wonderfully
> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm
>> thinking of
>> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade?
>> and
>> considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be
>> better
>> to get it?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Byron Gardner]

Gary, let me give you my experiences.

I have two WS PB, a 14 in screen and a 13 in screen. I have put a 
Sonnet G3 500Mhz in both with easy installation and no problems in 
operation. I am running OS 10.2.3 on both as well as OS 9.2.2. Neither 
have had any problems.

But be aware of something that most people overlook. No matter what 
upgrade you install, the WS PB will only have a Bus speed of 66 MHZ. 
You can install a G3 500MHz or a G4 500Mhz and you will still only have 
a 66Mhz bus speed. That means that you can have all that power but it 
gets choked down. That is why you will never see increases like the 
present day PB which have 100 Mhz buses or better.

Now, you will see a speed increase with the upgrades mentioned above. 
It will be noticeable and you won't want to go back to what you had. 
Benchmark testing will confirm an improvement in speed.

Some have indicated an increase in temperature after the upgrade. I do 
see a noticeable higher temp but nothing unbearable or dangerous. 
Always use the PB with good circulation and not a lap pad or pillow 
that restricts air flow. O/W you should be Okay.

Executive Summary:

- Noticeable speed increase with some elevation in operating temp.
- Not the same as newer PB due to bus speed limitations.

Best Regards,
Byron

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 12:26  PM, Gary E Davis wonderfully 
wrote:

> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm 
> thinking of
> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade? 
> and
> considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be 
> better
> to get it?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary
>
>


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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Gary E Davis]

Hi Andre

Here's the site http://www.sonnettech.com/

It appears they are easy to install. The 500Mhz G3 upgrade is listed at $300
and the 500Mhz G4 is $400

Gary

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From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andre
Ruegg
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:23 AM
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet


Where can one get these upgrades? How much are they? And are they hard to
install?

Thanks,

Andre


on 1/30/03 1:45 PM, Alan Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Gary E Davis wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm thinking
of
>> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade? and
>> considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be
better
>> to get it?
>
> Wana run OS X get the G4.
>
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Andre Ruegg]

Where can one get these upgrades? How much are they? And are they hard to
install?

Thanks,

Andre 


on 1/30/03 1:45 PM, Alan Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Gary E Davis wrote:
> 
>> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm thinking of
>> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade? and
>> considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be better
>> to get it?
> 
> Wana run OS X get the G4.
> 
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Re: Topics

[K.]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!!!
Regards,
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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Rick Banuelos]

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 10:26  AM, Gary E Davis wrote:

> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm 
> thinking of
> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade?

Yes.

> is it good upgrade?

Yes.

>  and considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it 
> be better
> to get it?
>

Most certainly, YES.



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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

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On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 09:33 US/Eastern, Keith Potter wrote:

> My Pismo has started having trouble in recent weeks.  It sometimes
> shuts down instead of going to sleep when I close the lid.  When this
> happens, and I restart, it takes a looong time for the grey logo
> screen to give way to the "Welcome to OSX" screen.  Has anyone had
> similar experiences?  Does anyone know a fix?  I am running 10.2.3 with
> all the updates.
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> --Keith Potter
>

Try something basic like a PRAM reset. I have a iBook running OS X that 
started to wake when closed and sleep when open. The 1st thing I tried 
was a PRAM reset, on the restart I ran fsck (no problems.) All is well 
now.


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Re: Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Alan Miller]

Gary E Davis wrote:

> I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm thinking of
> the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade? and
> considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be better
> to get it?

Wana run OS X get the G4.

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

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Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem


> On 30/01/03 13:00, "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> > to take the time to isolate the problem by dropping back to OS 9 and
seeing
> > if I can get it to sleep there, if it does, it can't be a power manager
> > problem, it will have to relate to OS X. No conclusions until I see how
it
> > runs in OS 9.
>
> I often have Entourage v.X and iChat up and running, with Entourage set to
> check mail every 10 minutes and it doesn't prevent my Pismo from sleeping
> nor does it wake it up. There must be something else with your setup...
>
> -Laurent.
> --
As I said need to look at a couple of other things before I make a final
diagnosis, BTW has anyone had any experience with power manager
problems/symptoms? I'm an old Navy Electronics Technician so I'm not afraid
to use a screwdriver or voltmeter (sometimes to my chagrin).

Joe Ellis


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Re: Topics

[dograt]

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 10:22 AM, Tim Leverenz wrote:
> This list has turned into a bunch of coffee clutching old ninnies!

"Old"? I represent that remark!
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I take it you skip reading your own posts, then?



Sorry- couldn't resist.

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Considering CPU upgrades for wallstreet

[Gary E Davis]

I'm thinking of a Sonnet CPU upgrade for my wallstreet and I'm thinking of
the 500Mhz G3 card has anyone done this upgrade? is it good upgrade? and
considering the 500Mhz G4 upgrade card is only $100 more would it be better
to get it?


Thanks

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Topics

[Tim Leverenz]

I agree. If this constant banter of politics, NASA, the Simpson does not stop, I will 
un-subscribe this children's gossip site and will find a list that is geared towrad 
Mac professionals looking for professional advise. Use iChat or some on line forum to 
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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

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On 30/01/03 13:00, "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - Original Message -
> From: "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Joe Ellis wrote:
>> 
>>> My Pismo also appears to have a problem with sleep and after a lot of
>>> playing around with it, I beginning to think it may relate to OS X. At
> first
>>> I suspected that my power manager board has a problem but I think now it
> may
>>> relate to network activity over airport. My problem is I can't get it to
> go
>>> to sleep at all. I haven't booted back into OS 9 to see if it's there as
>>> well, maybe give it a shot tonight.
>> 
>> My Airport-connected Pismo is put to sleep 6-10 times a day with no
>> problem.  What "network activity" are you referring to?
>> 
>> KeS
>> 
> I usually have Entourage set to check mail every 10 minutes so I wonder if
> it may be causing the wake-up; but really, I just haven't taken the time to
> see exactly what is going on. I usually have Entourage and one or two web
> browsers going such as Safari, Explorer, or Navigator. I know that well
> behaved applications should not cause the machine to wake up which is why I
> am still inclined to suspect I have a problematic power manager. I just need
> to take the time to isolate the problem by dropping back to OS 9 and seeing
> if I can get it to sleep there, if it does, it can't be a power manager
> problem, it will have to relate to OS X. No conclusions until I see how it
> runs in OS 9.

I often have Entourage v.X and iChat up and running, with Entourage set to
check mail every 10 minutes and it doesn't prevent my Pismo from sleeping
nor does it wake it up. There must be something else with your setup...

-Laurent.
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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Joe Ellis]

- Original Message -
From: "P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem


>
> Also running Pismo 10.2.3 and have had no sleep problems. I had minor
> problems getting the PB to sleep under earlier versions of Jaguar and OSX
> 10.1 but this rendition seems to work for the Pismo. Though, if I have a
> non-optical mouse attached it seems to not want to go to sleep the first
> time I put it to sleep and does not reliably go to sleep on its own when
> inactive. My optical mouse (small mouse for traveling) causes no such
> problems.
>
> Turtle-Bear
>
Now there's something I hadn't considered, I usually use a wireless mouse,
receiver plugged to usb port. I will also try it without the mouse.

Thanks,
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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Joe Ellis]

- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem


> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Joe Ellis wrote:
>
> > My Pismo also appears to have a problem with sleep and after a lot of
> > playing around with it, I beginning to think it may relate to OS X. At
first
> > I suspected that my power manager board has a problem but I think now it
may
> > relate to network activity over airport. My problem is I can't get it to
go
> > to sleep at all. I haven't booted back into OS 9 to see if it's there as
> > well, maybe give it a shot tonight.
>
> My Airport-connected Pismo is put to sleep 6-10 times a day with no
> problem.  What "network activity" are you referring to?
>
> KeS
>
I usually have Entourage set to check mail every 10 minutes so I wonder if
it may be causing the wake-up; but really, I just haven't taken the time to
see exactly what is going on. I usually have Entourage and one or two web
browsers going such as Safari, Explorer, or Navigator. I know that well
behaved applications should not cause the machine to wake up which is why I
am still inclined to suspect I have a problematic power manager. I just need
to take the time to isolate the problem by dropping back to OS 9 and seeing
if I can get it to sleep there, if it does, it can't be a power manager
problem, it will have to relate to OS X. No conclusions until I see how it
runs in OS 9.

Joe Ellis


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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

On 1/30/2003 9:17 AM Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

>On 30/01/03 11:11, "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Thomas Ethen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem
>> 
>> 
>>> My Pismo with Jaguar on it has a sleep problem also, when I am running
>>> PhotoShop 7 in Jaguar and put the PowerBook to sleep, when it wakes up,
>>> PhotoShop has shut down and I have to restart the program. If I put the
>> same
>>> PowerBook to sleep in 9.2 with PhotoShop 7 running, it will  wake up with
>>> the program just as I left it. Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>> My Pismo also appears to have a problem with sleep and after a lot of
>> playing around with it, I beginning to think it may relate to OS X. At first
>> I suspected that my power manager board has a problem but I think now it may
>> relate to network activity over airport. My problem is I can't get it to go
>> to sleep at all. I haven't booted back into OS 9 to see if it's there as
>> well, maybe give it a shot tonight.
>
>10.2.3 on my Pismo. No problem sleeping. Going to sleep when Ethernet is
>connected than waking up and switching to AirPort, and vice versa. With
>Internet-based applications (Entourage, Safari) running or not. I haven't
>tested with PhotoShop 7, though, so I can't comment. But I have absolutely
>no sleep problem in all kind of configurations. There might be a specific
>pattern of apps or settings in your case and we would have to know it in
>order to test. I'm just providing my own pattern of use here so that with
>such and such, I don't have any sleep problem.

Also running Pismo 10.2.3 and have had no sleep problems. I had minor 
problems getting the PB to sleep under earlier versions of Jaguar and OSX 
10.1 but this rendition seems to work for the Pismo. Though, if I have a 
non-optical mouse attached it seems to not want to go to sleep the first 
time I put it to sleep and does not reliably go to sleep on its own when 
inactive. My optical mouse (small mouse for traveling) causes no such 
problems.

Turtle-Bear

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Joe Ellis wrote:

> My Pismo also appears to have a problem with sleep and after a lot of
> playing around with it, I beginning to think it may relate to OS X. At first
> I suspected that my power manager board has a problem but I think now it may
> relate to network activity over airport. My problem is I can't get it to go
> to sleep at all. I haven't booted back into OS 9 to see if it's there as
> well, maybe give it a shot tonight.

My Airport-connected Pismo is put to sleep 6-10 times a day with no
problem.  What "network activity" are you referring to?

KeS

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Re: Any TiBook Bargains out there?

[Hal]

I saw your note looking for a TiBook. I have a G4/500 upgraded Pismo 
for sale with 1GB of ram, loaded with software. Let me know if you'd be 
interested.

cheers,
-Hal

On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 11:25 AM, Ed Zelinsky wrote:

> With the new PB's on the scene and getting lots of buzz can anyone 
> recommend
> a venue for buying one of the original or later tibooks at a good 
> price? I'm
> not a big fan of ebay (I'm not sure why...)
>
> I bought a 'open box' pismo from macresq 3 years ago and it's going 
> strong
> and I would like to get my wife a PB.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed Z
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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Steve Fuller]

> What is fsck? 

Stands for File System ChecK. It's done when unix filesystems are not shut
down cleanly.

>Where is macosxhints to be found?

http://www.macosxhints.com

http://www.macosxapps.com is another good site for OSX items.

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Russell Holt]

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:36AM -0500, Ed Zelinsky wrote:
> on 1/30/03 9:53 AM, Russell Holt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>  The long startup is usually fsck, I think, due to the system not 
>> doing a
>>  sync at shutdown. Check macosxhints for the key sequence to press at
>>  startup to show what's happening in the boot sequence (a verbose
>>  mode).   that's all I know
>
>
>
> What is fsck? Where is macosxhints to be found?
>

fsck is file system check, a unix util that fixes file system 
inconsistencies often run at startup. The normal shutdown procedure 
involves running 'sync' which flushes file system buffers etc to disk 
and does clean up (in the terminal do 'man sync' if curious.) Not that 
it matters. Search for 'verbose' on www.macosxhints.com (or is it .org?) 
and go to the startup key sequence hint. I think it is command-v during 
boot. I suggest this just to see what is taking so long during boot... 
And hypothesized it is fsck.
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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Rick Banuelos]

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 08:31  AM, Ed Zelinsky wrote:

> What is fsck?

File System Consistency Check (?)

Here's how to run it:

At the startup chime, hold down (Command-S) through the gray Apple 
screen until you see the Command line on a black background; then you 
can let go. Allow the single-user mode (command line) to start-- you'll 
see a prompt-- and type the following:

/sbin/fsck -y

(Yes, you do need to put that space in there)

It will go through a series of checks, and when finished, will either 
say:

***FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED***

-or-

***The volume (your HD name here) appears to be okay.***

I usually run fsck as many times as needed to get the "okay" message 
(which has never been more than twice). After you get the okay message, 
type:

reboot

And your mac will do your bidding.

_

In order to *see* this stuff while you start your computer, hold down 
(Command-V). This is known as verbose logging, and makes it easy to see 
if there is anything slowing your computer at startup time. You can't 
actually access the command line when you do this, but it can prove to 
be quite educational to watch.

>  Where is macosxhints to be found?
>

http://www.macosxhints.com/



HTH,



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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Guy Masson]

fsck = ( more or less ) disk first aid for UNIX

macosxhints = www.macosxhints.com


GM



> > The long startup is usually fsck, I think, due to the system not doing a
> > sync at shutdown. Check macosxhints for the key sequence to press at
> > startup to show what's happening in the boot sequence (a verbose
> > mode).   that's all I know
> 
> 
> 
> What is fsck? Where is macosxhints to be found?
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Ed Zelinsky]

on 1/30/03 9:53 AM, Russell Holt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The long startup is usually fsck, I think, due to the system not doing a
> sync at shutdown. Check macosxhints for the key sequence to press at
> startup to show what's happening in the boot sequence (a verbose
> mode).   that's all I know



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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 30/01/03 11:11, "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - Original Message -
> From: "Thomas Ethen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem
> 
> 
>> My Pismo with Jaguar on it has a sleep problem also, when I am running
>> PhotoShop 7 in Jaguar and put the PowerBook to sleep, when it wakes up,
>> PhotoShop has shut down and I have to restart the program. If I put the
> same
>> PowerBook to sleep in 9.2 with PhotoShop 7 running, it will  wake up with
>> the program just as I left it. Any ideas?
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
> My Pismo also appears to have a problem with sleep and after a lot of
> playing around with it, I beginning to think it may relate to OS X. At first
> I suspected that my power manager board has a problem but I think now it may
> relate to network activity over airport. My problem is I can't get it to go
> to sleep at all. I haven't booted back into OS 9 to see if it's there as
> well, maybe give it a shot tonight.

10.2.3 on my Pismo. No problem sleeping. Going to sleep when Ethernet is
connected than waking up and switching to AirPort, and vice versa. With
Internet-based applications (Entourage, Safari) running or not. I haven't
tested with PhotoShop 7, though, so I can't comment. But I have absolutely
no sleep problem in all kind of configurations. There might be a specific
pattern of apps or settings in your case and we would have to know it in
order to test. I'm just providing my own pattern of use here so that with
such and such, I don't have any sleep problem.

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Joe Ellis]

- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ethen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pismo Sleep Problem


> My Pismo with Jaguar on it has a sleep problem also, when I am running
> PhotoShop 7 in Jaguar and put the PowerBook to sleep, when it wakes up,
> PhotoShop has shut down and I have to restart the program. If I put the
same
> PowerBook to sleep in 9.2 with PhotoShop 7 running, it will  wake up with
> the program just as I left it. Any ideas?
>
> Tom
>
My Pismo also appears to have a problem with sleep and after a lot of
playing around with it, I beginning to think it may relate to OS X. At first
I suspected that my power manager board has a problem but I think now it may
relate to network activity over airport. My problem is I can't get it to go
to sleep at all. I haven't booted back into OS 9 to see if it's there as
well, maybe give it a shot tonight.

Joe Ellis


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Re: wallstreet networking mystery

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 30/01/03 09:41, "Russell Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> So, as I understand it, you have a router and then a hub?
> 
> Yes... And I certainly believe the hub could be flaky and needing a
> constant kick in the reset button.. Or tossed in the trash... But still
> that doesn't explain the loss of the hardware address on the wallstreet.
> Maybe the hub is sending a surge through it and somehow overloading the
> powerbook's poor ethernet adapter? I'm sure I sound like a moron to the
> hardware guys (I'm just a programmer)...
> 
> By the way, the Apple system profiler shows a serial number of "not
> applicable" also... Related?

I'm not sure but I don't think so. The serial number being there or not
depends on the firmware you have in the Mac, IIRC.

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Thomas Ethen]

My Pismo with Jaguar on it has a sleep problem also, when I am running
PhotoShop 7 in Jaguar and put the PowerBook to sleep, when it wakes up,
PhotoShop has shut down and I have to restart the program. If I put the same
PowerBook to sleep in 9.2 with PhotoShop 7 running, it will  wake up with
the program just as I left it. Any ideas?

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

[Russell Holt]

The long startup is usually fsck, I think, due to the system not doing a 
sync at shutdown. Check macosxhints for the key sequence to press at 
startup to show what's happening in the boot sequence (a verbose 
mode).   that's all I know

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 9:45AM -0500, Keith Potter wrote:
> My Pismo has started having trouble in recent weeks.  It sometimes
> shuts down instead of going to sleep when I close the lid.  When this
> happens, and I restart, it takes a looong time for the grey logo
> screen to give way to the "Welcome to OSX" screen.  Has anyone had
> similar experiences?  Does anyone know a fix?  I am running 10.2.3 
> with
> all the updates.
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> --Keith Potter
>

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Re: wallstreet networking mystery

[Russell Holt]

> So, as I understand it, you have a router and then a hub?

Yes... And I certainly believe the hub could be flaky and needing a 
constant kick in the reset button.. Or tossed in the trash... But still 
that doesn't explain the loss of the hardware address on the wallstreet. 
Maybe the hub is sending a surge through it and somehow overloading the 
powerbook's poor ethernet adapter? I'm sure I sound like a moron to the 
hardware guys (I'm just a programmer)...

By the way, the Apple system profiler shows a serial number of "not 
applicable" also... Related?

Thanks for the thoughts.

> you might have thought I meant the router, but
> if both your Wallstreet and your G4 are connected to the hub with no 
> other
> computer also connected to the hub, then it could be possible that the 
> hub
> has a problem similar to what I was describing for my router.
>
> -Laurent.

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Pismo Sleep Problem

[Keith Potter]

My Pismo has started having trouble in recent weeks.  It sometimes 
shuts down instead of going to sleep when I close the lid.  When this 
happens, and I restart, it takes a looong time for the grey logo 
screen to give way to the "Welcome to OSX" screen.  Has anyone had 
similar experiences?  Does anyone know a fix?  I am running 10.2.3 with 
all the updates.

Thanks in advance...

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Re: Wallstreet memory question

[Anne Judge]

>I've heard a wallstreet can actually be up'd to 1gig instead of the 512k max
>claimed by apple. Is this true?

It's actually that you can up it to 512 rather than the (something 
really small - 192??) official Apple max.

At the time it came out only 128-Meg chips would fit it, & they 
didn't come low-profile so only 64 in the lower slot - total 192.

Since then, chips have gotten smaller & bigger (physically & 
RAm-wise, respectively).  But the WallStreet can't handle above 256Mb 
chips that I've ever heard.

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Wallstreet memory question

[Gary E Davis]

Hi

I've heard a wallstreet can actually be up'd to 1gig instead of the 512k max
claimed by apple. Is this true?

Gary


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