Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
But Apple does have control where the serial port issue was concerned. And they chose not to write support for the serial port into the OS. And this was a major issue to a lot of people. Especially those who had big bucks wrapped up in peripherals (laser printers, scanners, cameras, modems) that suddenly wouldn't work anymore. With laser printers at least you do have other options. Most support a network protocol. For $60 on ebay you can pick up an appletalk to ethernet bridge. OS X has basic support for all printers (most printers will work from a generic driver), and you can add in the gimp print drivers (which add specific support for a great many legacy printers, so long as they are hooked up to a USB or ethernet port). Some standard serial port printers will also work with USB-serial adapters. Not all of them will, though. There are several adapters out there. Belkin makes a few. Can be had on ebay for around $30-45 used. These may also work for modems, though I am not sure. Go to the Belkin site for more info. IIRC, OS X will support the internal modems of older systems. Scanners are a different matter. Generally, the scanner maker is to blame if it doesn't work with OS X. It's up to them to write drivers. For instance, OS X supports my SCSI card but the driver for the scanner (a photoshop plugin) doesn't work. The reason is that with OS X, plugins/software don't talk directly to hardware (such as ports, PCI cards, etc.) the way they did in 9. It's up to the manufacturer to re-write the plugin. Digital cameras should also work with a serial-usb adapter. Not all of the will work this way. Depends on whether Apple has written in support directly to iPhoto. Otherwise, contact the manufacturer. Like scanners, it's their job to make this work. Not Apple's. Our only other choice was to trash our serial stuff, buy a USB card and USB peripherals, and hope they had drivers for X. Generally speaking, this isn't an issue. If you're at the store, it says right on the box if they support use in OS X. If you're buying online, you may need to research a little more. In either case, you should never ever have to purchase something before knowing it will work with OS X. Hamlin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
I think that all of this stems directly from the Mac culture itself. The Mac is a drastically less used, more expensive, and a slower computer (sorry guysbenchmarks vs reality). Despite those huge marketing nightmare's many of us in the culture (as defined when you put down your hard earned $$ on a Mac) expect more than our constantly complaining Window's compadre. The facts are hard...that those who buy Mac's fit one of three patternsthey make their living on a Mac, they want to make a living on a Mac, or they love the obviously superior OS. For the first group, an upgrade is simply a necessity of business. For the second group, an upgrade is usually at a student discount brought to you by student loans. For the third group, an upgrade (or rather 4 in 4 years) is almost as great of a financial strain as the damn computer itself. Simply putMac user's spend a great deal of time talking about their Mac. Bragging even. And then they find that the $3000 they spent three years ago is now completely obsolete (even an old Dell runs WinDoze XP with minor hardware upgrades)...and well, that hurts. Blame whomever you like, the pain is still there..in my years as a #3 I often questioned just what the hell I was doing and why. By the time I am able to afford a new powerbook they'll have G6's (if Moto and IBM ever kick it into gear). My Wallstreet, while still functional is OSX Jag, doesn't have Panthercan't have Panther. Am I complaining? At first I did. At every chance. Now I just grin and bear itand the keyboard of the Wallstreet will get dusty from neglect and the three year old Dell with the inferior OS will be used more and more. I feel a tad neglected, rejected even.but it's all about money kidsApple can't spend the next two years updating their OS to run on every computer made in the last 4 yearsthat's Microsoft's job.and while producing an inferior OS, they still have 95% of the market. Apple is blessed. If they showed their customers 1/4 of the dedication their customer's showed them.they might have a chance in this market. Mac forevereven if it's just a museum piece, ed j -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 11:11 PM, Edward Jackson wrote: The Mac is a drastically less used, more expensive, and a slower computer (sorry guysbenchmarks vs reality). (Large amount snipped, but you get the gist) It always distresses me when I hear a fellow Mac user buy into the dark side's specious arguments. I'm not going to go through every point in Edward's post, but I 'll quickly hit these three points at the end of my post. As to the rest of the rant, well, it's a bit misleading to say that the situation with OS X not working on older machines is a common one. Apple took a big step when they brought in OS X, and optimized it for only the most recent hardware, but IMNSHO, they needed to in order to introduce what a really modern OS. Better that than just continually upgrade an old OS, that is so full of security vulnerabilities and other problems that it costs its users huge amounts of cash just to maintain it. It isn't the first time that Apple has made a group of machines obsolescent, but it was the first time it was for such recent machines. Case in point, OS 9 won't run on pre PPC macs. but it does run on all the second generation PPC's. That's all the way back to, what, 1992? In my books, that's pretty fair support. The switchover to OS X was a matter of necessity, and the limitations of their real-world ability to support older machines. Now to quickly address those three PC user style points: 1) Macs aren't drastically less used, the Mac OS is, but only as compared to Windows. When looking at computer manufacturers, Apple was, for a long time, second only to Dell in market share. (I suspect they have slipped a bit, but then what hasn't in computers lately.) 2) Macs are more expensive. Well, I haven't done the comparison recently, but every time I've compared a new Mac price to a same quality, same feature PC, the final price is within the +- $100 range. Rather than comparing Mac prices to a Compaq with a low quality processor, try comparing against the equivalent model in Dell's Workstation line. Yes, Macs are pricey, but so are top of the line PC's. 3) Macs are slower. I've never put much faith in benchmarks either, but my experience is that Macs are as far from being comparatively slow. The first PC I used for any length of time had a PII/350. My Mac at the time was a 604/200. Real world, intensive photoshop use, Mac was as fast or faster. Nowadays the PC I use at university is a 1 Ghz machine, and side by side, my Pismo (G3/500) is only marginally slower on a heavy photoshop render. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard battery
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] After the Time Remaining in the Control Strip goes down to 0:00, I still get another 20 to 30 minutes of battery life. You need to recalibrate the battery. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58354 Laurence _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
on 10/28/03 10:50 PM, John Acuff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Apple does have control where the serial port issue was concerned. And they chose not to write support for the serial port into the OS. And this was a major issue to a lot of people. Especially those who had big bucks wrapped up in peripherals (laser printers, scanners, cameras, modems) that suddenly wouldn't work anymore. Our only other choice was to trash our serial stuff, buy a USB card and USB peripherals, and hope they had drivers for X. Look how long it took to get scanners that would work under X! I personally have a perfectly good Personal Laserwriter that was only usable on my Beige G3 by going into Classic and printing what I had done in X. Not exactly user friendly. Many of us kept hoping against hope that eventually Apple would do the right thing, and add serial port support into a revision at some point so that we would finally be able to use our investment in peripherals again, but by 10.2, I knew it wasn't going to happen and bought a BW and a cheap USB printer. Still, every time I look at that Laserwriter sitting there collecting dust, I get a frustrated feeling. Yes, I love Apple too, and OS X, and I would never want to have to go back to the PC (Winblows) world I used to live in, but this is one time that I really wish that Apple had done things differently. And I'm looking at the same thing all over again with Panther. I just finally get a Powerbook (Wallstreet) capable of running X, and I won't be able to run the latest version on it. And my Beige G3 is of course left out. What will it be next version? Native G4 machines only? Just my .02 John, My feeling is that what you are asking is like hoping that Ford will design a 2004 Mustang with all new engine, amenities and traction but can also use 1966 Mustang wheels and tires because you already bought them and they are just sitting in your garage doing nothing. Solution to the car dilemma: Ride the classic boat and take pride in it. Solution to the computer dilemma: Ride the classic boat and take pride in it. Run -- G4 dp MD, 1.25ghz, 2 gig ram, 240 gigs HD, Fuse, Audio Media, Serial, TV Tuner cards, Sony DV/Analogue Converter; Last dual boot G4, OS 9.2.2 X.2.6 iBook, 600mhz, 640 ram, 20 gig HD, Airport, iMic, Micro Mouse, 20 gig Ext. Firewire drive; OS 9.2.2 X.2.6 Pismo 400mhz, 640 ram, 40 gig HD, Airport, CapSure, USB FlyLight; OS 9.2.2 X.2.6 1400c 466 G3, 64 ram, 256 Flash Ram, 20 gig HD, Orinoco Silver Wireless, CardCam, 56K Modem/Ethernet, ADB FlyLight; OS 9.1 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
GIS and exif, anyone using this combination with their dig cameras?
GIS and exif, anyone using this combination with their dig cameras? d -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo 400MHz heatsink compatible with a 500MHz processor?
on 27/10/2003 20:56, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know if I can take the heatsink on my 400MHz and put it on a 500MHz? I've seen pictures of the 500MHz daughtercard with the heatsink and it seems slightlty different than the heatsink on my 400MHz processor. I would have thermal paste, of course... -Laurent. I've done it, no problem at all. Didn't use any thermal paste. Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wallstreet / Lombard compatibility ?
on 27/10/2003 20:56, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is if the Wallstreet 14.1 TFT screen would fit into a Lombard. I have been offered a cheap Lombard with a dead screen and as would rather have a Lombard than a Wallstreet, and rather butcher a Wallstreet I would quite happily make the screen swap. But is it at all possible ? Laurence The actual LCD panel *might* be compatible, but I doubt the whole display unit would be; i.e. if the panel is compatible, you can remove it from the display casing and replace the one in the Lombard; but you couldn't just detach the display unit from the Wallstreet and attach it to the Lombard. Do a Google search for Wallstreet LCD TFT, and Lombard LCD TFT, to see what panels were used in them and, maybe, what OEM panels are compatible. Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: battery life on a Pismo with Jaguar
on 25/10/2003 20:30, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last week I posted a question about whether Pismo's get radically less battery time with Jaguar than with 9.2, because I suddenly went from almost 2 hrs. per charge to a maximum of 20 minutes. Just in case it was a problem of the battery simply wearing out, I got a brand new one from Digitally Unique (incidentally, they had a great price: about $133 if memory serves). I've just charged it, and, guess what: with longest battery life settings, I get an estimated 4:05 hrs. ! Moral: beware of your assumptions: there may be an external factor (in this case the battery simply wearing out) that happens to coincide with another variable, leading you to make an unwarranted conclusion. But there are a lot of people complaining on the Apple Discussions Forum about greatly reduced battery capacity immediately (repeat: immediately) after upgrading from 9.x to Jaguar. e.g., similar story to yours, with battery time dropping overnight from 2.5 hrs to 30 minutes. Sure, the batteries could have just worn out, right at that moment, but the coincidence is interesting to say the least. I still haven't read of anyone with a definitive answer on this though. And if anyone is still under extended Applecare, remember that batteries are covered by the warranty, though Apple has not been completely consistent across the board in replacing batteries. Some people do get replacements, others don't. I got my Lombard battery replaced after 2 years and 9 months, when battery time had fallen to about 30 minutes, and Apple Support was extremely friendly, helpful and prompt to send the replacement; they even replaced the replacement, which only got about 50 minutes of battery time on a full charge. Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard battery
On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 09:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the Time Remaining in the Control Strip goes down to 0:00, I still get another 20 to 30 minutes of battery life. I'm running OS 9 on a 333mhz Lombard. It's not really a problem but kind of annoying. I haven't noticed any of that before, although it was probably just because I haven't been paying much attention to it. Does anybody else have that problem? I'm going to upgrade to OS X sometime during the next month (when I have time) so I'm hoping that will solve the problem. I'm having just the opposite problem on my Wallstreet. The control strip will say I have 2hrs and odd minutes, and within a few seconds, the screen will dim, and the battery warning will pop up, and a few seconds later it will shut itself down. I go from maybe 2.5 hours down to nothing in minutes. And that's with no CD-rom, modem, or ethernet use. I have used battery reset many times and it doesn't make any difference. Oh yes, when it shuts down like this, if I press the button on the battery, I get one flashing LED, so it seems like the computer isn't properly reading the battery. Powered by OS X Jaguar! (The power of Unix, the beauty of Apple!) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On 10/29/03 2:11 AM, Edward Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that all of this stems directly from the Mac culture itself. The Mac is a drastically less used, more expensive, and a slower computer (sorry guysbenchmarks vs reality). What do you mean by more expensive? The price is higher or the value is lower? If you mean that the Mac price is higher then you are right. I can buy a PC for a lower price than my Mac. But I get more for my money. My Mac comes with features that are extras on the PC. My Mac won't cause me the same headaches that my PC will. I won't be installing new updates to my OS every week (each one needed and each one possibly wrecking my OS. And yes, I know that MS is now scheduling them monthly. That just means that my computer is more vulnerable for 29 days than it used to be for 6 days) And when I decide to sell my Mac, several years after I've already sold the PC, I will be able to get more for it. As for the speed issue. Sigh...yes, my PC desktop is much faster than my Mac - but it doesn't let me write reports any faster. I don't put out a newsletter any faster. I don't browse the internet any faster. I don't write/read email any faster. The facts are hard...that those who buy Mac's fit one of three patternsthey make their living on a Mac, they want to make a living on a Mac, or they love the obviously superior OS. You have described a group of Mac owners but you have left out a very large group - probably the largest. People buy a Mac because it works and it lets them work. It doesn't grab the user by the nose and force him/her into a pattern decided upon by the programmers. It doesn't assume the user is a moron and needs a wizard. It lets the user get on with the job at hand and stays out of the way. Mac forevereven if it's just a museum piece, Don't you dare call my SE/30 a museum piece - it has a vastly important job - delivering and receiving email for a small non-profit organization. How many 1990 PCs do you know of that are still running without having visited the computer doctor? david -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
This thread seems to be running somewhat far afield, but I just wanted to share that I am running OS X 10.2.6 on my Lombard and it works great! Also, I have my old Apple LaserWriter hooked up to my laptop via ethernet. How is that you might ask? Well, I bought an ethernet to serial adapter. When I bought mine it was from Farallon, I think they are sold through Proxim now. It works great right out of the box. The drivers and the networking were completely painless to set up. On the other hand I do have an old serial scanner that doesn't play nice with OS X. Too bad. I think we all have to come to grips the process of technology. Stuff gets old and if we want to stay up with the latest and the greatest, we are going to have to make changes with hardware as well as software. Lawrence On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 05:34 PM, Illovox Media wrote: on 10/28/03 10:50 PM, John Acuff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Apple does have control where the serial port issue was concerned. And they chose not to write support for the serial port into the OS. And this was a major issue to a lot of people. Especially those who had big bucks wrapped up in peripherals (laser printers, scanners, cameras, modems) that suddenly wouldn't work anymore. Our only other choice was to trash our serial stuff, buy a USB card and USB peripherals, and hope they had drivers for X. Look how long it took to get scanners that would work under X! I personally have a perfectly good Personal Laserwriter that was only usable on my Beige G3 by going into Classic and printing what I had done in X. Not exactly user friendly. Many of us kept hoping against hope that eventually Apple would do the right thing, and add serial port support into a revision at some point so that we would finally be able to use our investment in peripherals again, but by 10.2, I knew it wasn't going to happen and bought a BW and a cheap USB printer. Still, every time I look at that Laserwriter sitting there collecting dust, I get a frustrated feeling. Yes, I love Apple too, and OS X, and I would never want to have to go back to the PC (Winblows) world I used to live in, but this is one time that I really wish that Apple had done things differently. And I'm looking at the same thing all over again with Panther. I just finally get a Powerbook (Wallstreet) capable of running X, and I won't be able to run the latest version on it. And my Beige G3 is of course left out. What will it be next version? Native G4 machines only? Just my .02 John, My feeling is that what you are asking is like hoping that Ford will design a 2004 Mustang with all new engine, amenities and traction but can also use 1966 Mustang wheels and tires because you already bought them and they are just sitting in your garage doing nothing. Solution to the car dilemma: Ride the classic boat and take pride in it. Solution to the computer dilemma: Ride the classic boat and take pride in it. Run -- G4 dp MD, 1.25ghz, 2 gig ram, 240 gigs HD, Fuse, Audio Media, Serial, TV Tuner cards, Sony DV/Analogue Converter; Last dual boot G4, OS 9.2.2 X.2.6 iBook, 600mhz, 640 ram, 20 gig HD, Airport, iMic, Micro Mouse, 20 gig Ext. Firewire drive; OS 9.2.2 X.2.6 Pismo 400mhz, 640 ram, 40 gig HD, Airport, CapSure, USB FlyLight; OS 9.2.2 X.2.6 1400c 466 G3, 64 ram, 256 Flash Ram, 20 gig HD, Orinoco Silver Wireless, CardCam, 56K Modem/Ethernet, ADB FlyLight; OS 9.1 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
After reading many, many posts on this topic, (and a lot of those getting a little heated) could I just point out that there are an enormous number of people out there using the Macintosh, (yes, it is maybe only a small number compared to windows, but it is still a big number.) Inevitably, not all of those are going to have the latest and greatest machines, and as has already been mentioned, Macs seem to last a while, so chances are that of all the ³affected² machines, a good number of them are still being used by this very diverse Macintosh community. Instead of getting overly angry at each other, perhaps just take a step back, acknowledge that different people 'think different' (hint hint...) and move on. If you want to sue, go ahead, if you don't, then don't. Personally I agree with the opinion of 'it will com back and bite you in the ass'. As for the various arguments of whether or not this hardware works with that driver, if you want people to believe what you are saying, you will need to provide proof. The 'because I say so' attitude in various posts isn't overly convincing, and will only fuel the argument. I do not mean to insult anyone with this post, but rather wish to encourage us all to 'cool down'. My 2 cents. Wiebe. Running 10.2.8 on a 500Mhz iBook and loving it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
some more Kanga questions
Could someone please answer some Kanga questions: 1. I see from the Service Manual that the in the Environmental section on page 43, it says the shipping, non- operating altitude is 15,000 feet maximum and I wanted to send it by Fed Ex from Australia to America. Does this mean you can't ship by air a powerbook without it being in a pressurised airline cabin? 2. I do not have double sided tape for the bottom of the keyboard so it touches the expansion ram module to keep it in place. Will any brand of double sided tape do? 3. I do not have a plastic insulation sheet for the hard drive. Will a bit of clear plastic from the front of a school folder do, or will it cause a heat problem? Thanks very much. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: some more Kanga questions
On 10/29/03 11:36 PM, kaldav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone please answer some Kanga questions: 1. I see from the Service Manual that the in the Environmental section on page 43, it says the shipping, non- operating altitude is 15,000 feet maximum and I wanted to send it by Fed Ex from Australia to America. Does this mean you can't ship by air a powerbook without it being in a pressurised airline cabin? What type of planes to FedEx use? I thought it was mostly the boeing 747/737/777-type, which are pressurised. I don't think there are many planes in use that fly at 15,000 feet without being pressurised... I could be wrong. 2. I do not have double sided tape for the bottom of the keyboard so it touches the expansion ram module to keep it in place. Will any brand of double sided tape do? Perhaps just look for something that specifically can deal with heat - ram gets warm :-). Why do you need to tape it in the first place? Wiebe -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo Wake from Sleep Problems
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 6:58 pm -0500, Eric Morrison wrote: Hi: We have two (of our six) Pismos (9.2.2) recently exhibiting a problem waking from sleep. Basically, whenever they go to sleep they won't wake up. The green sleep light goes on when they go into sleep, and when you press a keyboard button the green light stops flashing but the screen doesn't light. Pressing the Power key and return does not shut it down so I don't think this is a monitor problem, I think the machine itself is not waking. Sorry I can't offer any constructive suggestions, but I occasionally get exactly this on my pismo. It's running 10.2.6, which suggests (allowing for the rather small sample size :) that this may be a hardware issue with pismos. TimH -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard CPU and RAM oddity
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:04:25 +1100 From: Mike Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike: I did a complete reformat and reinstall as this machine is, at the moment, not being used by anyone. Don't know how the upgrade install would work although I've seen some posts around that they upgrade install worked just fine. If you choose to do the upgrade install, I would definitely run Disk Utility and repair the drive and permissions prior to upgrading. Also, obviously, make a complete backup prior (I backed up my Pismo on two different drives prior to upgrading to Panther but I also did a reformat and clean install on that machine). ... e I can't really offer anything in the way of help to you, but can I ask if you did a clean install (either reformat or archive install) or an upgrade? I'm going to be putting Panther on my Lombard 333MHz machine this weekend, and it's currently suffering as a victim of 10.2.8. I'd like to just upgrade and keep everything how it is, but I'll clean install if necesssary. Either way, I'll pay close attention to what CPU speed is claimed afterwards. Eric Morrison wrote: I just put Panther on it to try it out (by the way, it runs GREAT with Panther) and the strange thing is that it reports that the machine -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard CPU and RAM oddity
Laurent: Great suggestion and thanks for the heads up on high density memory, thanks! ... e I don't know about the answer to your first question. What I would suggest is to download XBench and run a full test of your Lombard. Then, compare your score to the other online scores available from the XBench site. That should give you an idea. As for your memory problem, it is probably because the chip is high density, which the latest PowerBook models can use, but probably not your Lombard which sees only half of it. -Laurent. Hi: Two questions actually. First, I have a 333MHz Lombard (I know it's a 333 because that's what's printed on the label on the bottom) which we purchased new several years ago. I just put Panther on it to try it out (by the way, it runs GREAT with Panther) and the strange thing is that it reports that the machine has a 400MHz CPU! I downloaded Overclocker's Helper and ran that and it reported a 400MHz CPU as well. As we bought this machine new I can confirm that I never swapped out the CPU board. Anyone know what's going on and if this is really a 400MHz machine? Second, I have a 256MB RAM chip originally purchased for the original Powerbook G4/400MHz which has been in and running on that machine since we got it. We just upped this Powerbook G4 to 1GB so I took the 256MB chip from out of the G4 and put it in this same Lombard but it only registers as 128MB of RAM! Then took this chip out of the Lombard and put it in my Pismo to test it and it shows up as the full 256MB? Anyone know what the deal is with this? Thanks for any guidance/explanation you can provide! ... Eric -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wallstreet / Lombard compatibility ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The actual LCD panel *might* be compatible That's the bit I was wondering. --- but I doubt the whole display unit would be I know so, one of the most documented things about the PowerBook G3 is the main visible difference between the Wallstreet/PDQ and the Bronze is the shape. Just a thought, why is only the Lombard called bronze when the Pismo also has a bronze keyboard ?!? Laurence ; i.e. if the panel is compatible, you can remove it from the display casing and replace the one in the Lombard; but you couldn't just detach the display unit from the Wallstreet and attach it to the Lombard. Do a Google search for Wallstreet LCD TFT, and Lombard LCD TFT, to see what panels were used in them and, maybe, what OEM panels are compatible. Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Thermal Paste
Chris, Would recommend that you get a CPU temperature checker software to monitor your CPU temp. Especially if you get any erratic behaviour. I am sure originally it would have thermal paste; it is not easy to get a good seat without paste. Paste makes a big difference. Currently the best is Arctic Silver III. You only need a little. Good luck, Stuart. On Wednesday, Oct 29, 2003, at 21:19 Asia/Taipei, G-Books wrote: I've done it, no problem at all. Didn't use any thermal paste. Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
There are two problems with your argument: 1) ATi did provide OpenGL support in their universal drivers, but this only worked on the RagePro LT in PowerBooks *IF* you had Apple's ATi accelerator already installed, since Apple used ATI's reference drivers to write the drivers for the LT chip. 2) ATi does not provide core drivers for laptops, never did, never will. They state this on their website, and the lack of ability to get drivers for any laptop chip from them for the Mac helps prove this. The only way I can get OS 9 video drivers for the LT is to install OS 9, there is no third-party way to do it. The OpenGL/RAVE argument is moot because they are APIs, you can slap any API onto any chipset you like with interoperability. As shown by the support for Rage, RAVE, and OpenGL acceleration under OS 9 (Glide was 3dfx's answer to RAVE, before a standard 3D API came out, OpenGL). Heck, ATi could have supported Glide, but why support the competition? I personally am not expecting phenomenal performance from an LT chipset... but leaving a 3D chipset disabled for *3* years is borderline arrogant. Especially when the laptop in question was at about one year of age when OS X shipped. Sure it is a little late now to really do anything because now the chipset IS ancient. However, I don't agree with Apple's position to kill support for a chipset that they pushed as being one of the best laptop chipsets a year later. My complaints come from the facts at hand (it IS possible to do OpenGL on it, ATi showed that... and ATi has had the stance for years that laptop chipsets were the machine vendor's responsibility... and the LT was in the Lombard in 1999, about a year before the final OS X rolled out of the gate), and the decision to cut off support of certain types to machines coming out the same year as OS X. Sure they are a computer company, but that doesn't mean the decision is always correct. On Oct 28, 2003, at 9:28 PM, David M. Ensteness wrote: On Oct 28, 2003, at 6:20 PM, Krevnik wrote: Nope, sorry... don't buy that. There is an ATIRagePro.kext and ATIRageProGA.plugin (2D acceleration) and the GA plug wasn't even activated for the Lombard until 10.2.4, you needed a hack before that. The RagePro.kext refers to a non-existant ATIRageProGL.bundle for OpenGL acceleration. There is no 3D acceleration for the Rage Pro chips. The 128 Pro is NOT the same as the Rage Pro, but newer and appeared in the Pismos. Not to be too rude but I don't care if you buy it, its the case. ATi's Rage II, RagePro, and RageProLT were not accelerated prior to 10.1.5 but were after. There is documentation of it, go look it up yourself if you care about the truth of the matter, you can find it at Apple's Knowledge Base, at XLR8yourmac.com and many other sites that covered the issue. This debate boarders on stupid. A lot of people are arguing a lot of misinformation and opinion mixed with fact on the issue of this class action suit. The fact is people's expectation [those that brought on the suit and agree with it] was different from the reality of features and performance. I do not feel Apple is at fault in this matter but when one's expectation is different from reality it is very likely that blame gets assigned and people assigned it to Apple. While I happen to believe that this blame is based on an inaccurate expectation and is misplaced, I don't know that it matters much in the scheme of things. As with other issues, if people want to blame, they will justify it, sometimes only to themselves, sometimes to the masses, and sometimes to the legal system. Another fact that is neglected. Apple did not write the ATi drivers for the ATi chipsets. ATi did, this is true of Classic Mac OS and Mac OS X. At the time, before the 10.1.5 update was released, people complained it was Apple not choosing to support it to force them to go buy new Macs. This argument gets brought up a lot, its generally false although I am sure there are cases when it is true. Now, regarding video support. It is my understanding from a lot of reading I have done that the RagePro and RageII chipsets never did OpenGL under Mac OS 8 or 9, they did RAVE. At the time RAVE and GLIDE [from 3dfx] were competing and OpenGL was starting to enter the fray. Since none of us know the exact facts, think about this once and see if its not reasonable. Apple sells a Mac, it has a chipset from a third party in it. The third party includes driver support. Apple puts out new system software, the third party doesn't update their driver. Its the third party's fault right? So according to that we should blame ATi. However, what if the chipset can't do the stuff we want it to do, ie, what if it can not support OpenGL acceleration. Whose fault is it then? Apple for embracing OpenGL in OS X? ATi for not making a fully compliant OpenGL graphics chipset? Sadly, somethings are not anyone's fault, they just are, and they are often
Re: legacy hardware and Jaguar/Panther
Yes, I love Apple too, and OS X, and I would never want to have to go back to the PC (Winblows) world I used to live in, but this is one time that I really wish that Apple had done things differently. And I'm looking at the same thing all over again with Panther. I just finally get a Powerbook (Wallstreet) capable of running X, and I won't be able to run the latest version on it. And my Beige G3 is of course left out. What will it be next version? Native G4 machines only? Just my .02 John, My feeling is that what you are asking is like hoping that Ford will design a 2004 Mustang with all new engine, amenities and traction but can also use 1966 Mustang wheels and tires because you already bought them and they are just sitting in your garage doing nothing. Solution to the car dilemma: Ride the classic boat and take pride in it. Solution to the computer dilemma: Ride the classic boat and take pride in it. Nope. Totally different analogy. The point I'm trying to make is,that if it was more important to Apple to get people using the new OS, than to get them to buy new equipment, they would have written serial port support into the OS. Instead, they chose to obsolete a whole slew of peripherals that thousands of people had, in some cases, hundreds of dollars invested in. Then Jobs couldn't seem to understand why folks weren't dumping OS 9 in droves and migrating to OS X. I personally couldn't wait until I got my Beige G3/333, so that I could finally run X. I was so hyped to try it after reading all the reviews and seeing the cool screenshots. Got it installed and booted into X for the first time, sweet!! Yeah, my floppy drive didn't work anymore, but so what? The only thing I ever used it for was to install software, and there was no software for OS X on floppy anyway. No big loss. Then I realized that I wasn't going to be able to print from X because it didn't see my serial port. Oops! Didn't know about that. I guess it's back to 9 to print! Hmm, that means my digital camera isn't going to work anymore either. Of course iPhoto doesn't support my Agfa camera anyway, so once again, back to 9! But yet all my old ADB stuff still works under X. If they can support ADB, why not serial? Answer; they could have if Jobs had wanted it. Funny thing tho, when Jag came out, and I had installed it on both G3's, one of my apps that used the serial ports on my Keyspan adapter on my BW, was able to see the built-in serial port on my Beige G3. It couldn't under 10.1. I still haven't quite figured that one out. Of course my Laserwriter and my camera still wouldn't work. I'm with the above-make the legacy machines work with the OS. Don't cut out a machine that is a few years old from using the new OS. My nonprofit has two missions: to keep Macs out of the landfill and to keep working hardware working by placing it in the hands of those who have no access to technology. So far, I have placed almost 3,000 computers and properly recycled over 1,500 Macs. Every time a new Apple form factor rolls out, I get a bump in donations, but, as you can see by the numbers, legacy Macs continue to keep chugging along! I find it distressing, however, one of the reasons I am getting donations is because folks want to use the latest OS. So, they will dump their nicely working machine, buy new, and then realize they can't use all their old peripherals, or they want the latest, greatest' peripherals to match their super new computer. (Not that I ever complain about a donation). I am told by people in the industry that Apple does not want beige hardware floating around, still working, but, I don't know Apple's internal policy. I do know I am helping to create new Apple computer users but getting them started with a Macintosh computer instead of a Winbox! I am always excited when I can learn a hack or trick to get an older peripheral to work with a different generation of computer. Of course, it is even more exciting when I can match a user with a legacy computer-because the computer does just what the user needs. I am still placing IIsi as emailers-all on 17 MB of RAM running OS 7.1, and SEs as word processors. It is a lot of work to find people to match the machine, but it feels good to empower others and keep legacy Macs working. But, doing the research to keep older hardware working is beyond the average computer user. So-the G5s will keep getting bought because folks don't have the time to learn how to get their older machine to work with the new OS. raino -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email:
Anyone moved to a new G4 iBook
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 01:19 pm, G-Books wrote: -- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:22:13 +0100 Subject: Anyone moved to a new G4 iBook From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those new G4 iBooks do look nice. And for once, Euro pricing has hit the sweet spot: 999 Euros for the 12 model. Wow. Anyone moved to a new iBook from a Pismo? I'd love to get your impressions on speed improvements in OS X and on the iBook's screen vs. the Pismo's. Just how small is stuff on that screen? The wife is thinking of moving to OS X and she wants something light, so the new iBook looks tempting at that 999 Euro price point. An added bonus would be Panther for free (in practical terms it's like knocking another $120 off the price). Even more tempting is the fact that used Pismos, in all their glory, are still fetching close to 1000 euros over here, so the new iBook might be an even trade or close to it. Chris I think they close the gap a great deal. Last Christmas my wife was looking for a Mac and bought a used Pismo rather than an iBook; for her the attraction of the Pismo was the DVD player. And again this summer I bought a 12 Powerbook rather than an iBook for much the same reason, though in my case the extra video features were also a significant attraction - when I'm doing image manipulation I plug in an external monitor and run it at a higher res, which you can't do with the iBook. I haven't actually seen the new iBooks yet, but for me the 12 screen on the Powerbook is fine. I appreciate the small real-estate the things occupies and the screen is fine. Pricewise it's OK - £849 from the Apple store for the 12. I think that's a better deal than the equivalent G3 iBook was for £799. The 12 Powerbook is £1299, an extra £450. That's over 50% more than the 12iBook; do you get more than 50% extra I ask myself? I can't help feeling that 12 PB sales are going to drop as the iBook will compete very effectively with it - I might have been very tempted to live with display mirroring and take the G4 iBook had it been available. I could have bought an iPod as well and still spent less than I did on the Powerbook! And the Applecare package is less, too - £199 as against £279. Tom Burke -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo Wake from Sleep Problems
perhaps you should separate the two sleepy heads from the rest of the slumber party.. -- Jim Scolman Artist Photography Services Studio Quality Photography for Professional Artist and Crafts People [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.scolman.com From: Tom Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:59:19 -0800 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo Wake from Sleep Problems On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 03:58 PM, Eric Morrison wrote: Hi: We have two (of our six) Pismos (9.2.2) recently exhibiting a problem waking from sleep. Basically, whenever they go to sleep they won't wake up. The green sleep light goes on when they go into sleep, and when you press a keyboard button the green light stops flashing but the screen doesn't light. Pressing the Power key and return does not shut it down so I don't think this is a monitor problem, I think the machine itself is not waking. I'm about to back one of these up and do a clean install of OS 9.2.2 but thought I'd post this question to the list first to see if anyone has any suggestions before I do this. If you've got any suggestions I'd sure appreciate them! thanks... Eric I have a very funky wallstreet that displays this type of behavior. I have found that levering the battery out, then in, does something that allows escape from nap time. Good luck. I suspect the PMU. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: legacy hardware and Jaguar/Panther
From: Lorraine Kerwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:14:17 -0800 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: legacy hardware and Jaguar/Panther It is a lot of work to find people to match the machine, but it feels good to empower others and keep legacy Macs working. But, doing the research to keep older hardware working is beyond the average computer user. So-the G5s will keep getting bought because folks don't have the time to learn how to get their older machine to work with the new OS. raino I applause at what you're doing. I think that one of the impact you didn't mention is the environment. We are so used here to throw away that we don't think about it, but just imagine all those perfectly working computers pilling up in landfills... -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Thermal Paste
From: Stuart Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:46:43 +0800 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Thermal Paste I am sure originally it would have thermal paste; it is not easy to get a good seat without paste. Paste makes a big difference. Currently the best is Arctic Silver III. You only need a little. Artic Silver III? Where can I get that? -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 00:11, Edward Jackson wrote: I think that all of this stems directly from the Mac culture itself. The Mac is a drastically less used, more expensive, and a slower computer (sorry guysbenchmarks vs reality). Despite those huge As a relative newcomer to the mac side, I have not noticed much difference wrt to speed. In fact, I had a brand new top-of-the-line Thinkpad next to one of the top-of-the-line Macs and the Mac blew it right out of the water. Websites, etc. loaded/worked much faster. marketing nightmare's many of us in the culture (as defined when you put down your hard earned $$ on a Mac) expect more than our constantly complaining Window's compadre. The facts are hard...that those who buy Mac's fit one of three patternsthey make their living on a Mac, they want to make a living on a Mac, or they love the obviously superior OS. For the first group, an upgrade is simply a necessity of I would add just a bit of a twist on the these categories ... the fourth being that we cannot put up with living in Bill Gate's computing Hell! I converted my entire family over to iBooks/Powerbooks due to support issues around the WinPieceofSh*t du jour. Now I do not get support questions while I am half way around the world on business. business. For the second group, an upgrade is usually at a student discount brought to you by student loans. For the third group, an upgrade (or rather 4 in 4 years) is almost as great of a financial strain as the damn computer itself. Simply putMac user's spend a great deal of time talking about their Mac. Bragging even. And then I would not paint myself as one of these. Simply put, the machine works, and works very well. Also, the iPod have 2 of these and other digital hub stuff just works!! The real benefits of the Mac is that the computer does not get in the way of being productive. Period! they find that the $3000 they spent three years ago is now completely obsolete (even an old Dell runs WinDoze XP with minor hardware upgrades)...and well, that hurts. Blame whomever you like, the pain is I run Linux and other OSs, and there really is no comparisons here. Win2K/WinXP, in my IMNSHO, ran much slower with MAJOR hardware upgrades. Linux, however, is pretty good on older hardware. still there..in my years as a #3 I often questioned just what the hell I was doing and why. By the time I am able to afford a new powerbook they'll have G6's (if Moto and IBM ever kick it into gear). My Wallstreet, while still functional is OSX Jag, doesn't have Panthercan't have Panther. Am I complaining? At first I did. At every chance. Now I just grin and bear itand the keyboard of the Wallstreet will get dusty from neglect and the three year old Dell with the inferior OS will be used more and more. I feel a tad neglected, rejected even.but it's all about money kidsApple can't spend the next two years updating their OS to run on every computer made in the last 4 yearsthat's Microsoft's job.and while producing an inferior OS, they still have 95% of the market. Apple is blessed. If they showed their customers 1/4 of the dedication their customer's showed them.they might have a chance in this market. I would have to agree here. Apple could easily double their market share if they actually spent a bit more time understanding how to treat their customers ever had to return/fix a machine?. I will continue to use my PB17 and will most likely be purchasing a PB12 and another iBook within the next year. Why, because they fit me and my family's computing needs. -Bob- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
The OpenGL/RAVE argument is moot because they are APIs, you can slap any API onto any chipset you like with interoperability. As shown by the support for Rage, RAVE, and OpenGL acceleration under OS 9 (Glide was 3dfx's answer to RAVE, before a standard 3D API came out, OpenGL). Heck, ATi could have supported Glide, but why support the competition? Really? So I can just slap Win32 APIs on top of a PowerPC 601 and it will run? That is pretty sweet, I guess Mac OS X on Intel should be easy too since I just have to slap the application stack APIs on top another hardware architecture. I personally am not expecting phenomenal performance from an LT chipset... but leaving a 3D chipset disabled for *3* years is borderline arrogant. Especially when the laptop in question was at about one year of age when OS X shipped. Really, Apple came to your house and disabled it? I could have sworn that it worked in other versions of Mac OS, maybe if it wasn't Apple should be all things to all people running through your mind instead of the reality that they can't do *everything* this wouldn't be such an issue. Mac OS X shipped in 2001 or late 2000. So the Lombard was about 1-2 years old yes. but they didn't leave it disabled for 3 years, 10.1.5 came out in 2001. Sure it is a little late now to really do anything because now the chipset IS ancient. People complained at the time it was released that it was ancient. Subjectiveness is well ... subjective. The chipset was a couple years old, however, above you make it seem that 3 years is a life time to wait but so short that Apple should obviously be supporting more. Which way you want it? However, I don't agree with Apple's position to kill support for a chipset that they pushed as being one of the best laptop chipsets a year later. My complaints come from the facts at hand (it IS possible to do OpenGL on it, ATi showed that... and ATi has had the stance for years that laptop chipsets were the machine vendor's responsibility... Not accurate from what I have read, want to point me at something that says that Apple is solely responsible for providing driver support? Oh and this contradicts your statement that Apple can't create PowerBook LT drivers because no ATi drivers exist. Pick an angle and stick with it would you please? and the LT was in the Lombard in 1999, about a year before the final OS X rolled out of the gate), and the decision to cut off support of certain types to machines coming out the same year as OS X. Yeah, I know what you mean, they should support everything. I mean why doesn't my Newton run Mac OS X Its just a set of APIs, they could slap it on there right? I think Apple is trying to force me to replace my Newton with a PowerBook G4 12 don't you? Fact is they have to draw a line somewhere, they have limited resources, everyone does, big company or not. Some people are mad that their 8600s don't run OS X natively. Others think their PowerBook 1400s should run it or their 7100s. Where do you draw the line, the farther back you draw it the my random requests and demands you get. So you don't decide that way, you decide based on technical practicality. Can the chipset do what it needs to do *well enough* that it justifies the expense. Apple decided no. Sure they are a computer company, but that doesn't mean the decision is always correct. Uhm I have no preconception that making computers makes a company right. MS and Dell and HP/Compaq make a lot of crap. Apple has made a large share of mistakes too. Every used iCal? Until the current version it was more than a little slow and buggy. How about how old iPods can't get their software updated, now if you want to complain about Apple, that is a better topic. There isn't any technical reason that on the fly playlists couldn't be added to older iPods. So anyways, yeah, Apple has their mistakes, I do not assume they are right. David -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
You would catch more fish if you did your trolling in a boat. David On Oct 29, 2003, at 1:11 AM, Edward Jackson wrote: I think that all of this stems directly from the Mac culture itself. The Mac is a drastically less used, more expensive, and a slower computer (sorry guysbenchmarks vs reality). Despite those huge marketing nightmare's many of us in the culture (as defined when you put down your hard earned $$ on a Mac) expect more than our constantly complaining Window's compadre. The facts are hard...that those who buy Mac's fit one of three patternsthey make their living on a Mac, they want to make a living on a Mac, or they love the obviously superior OS. For the first group, an upgrade is simply a necessity of business. For the second group, an upgrade is usually at a student discount brought to you by student loans. For the third group, an upgrade (or rather 4 in 4 years) is almost as great of a financial strain as the damn computer itself. Simply putMac user's spend a great deal of time talking about their Mac. Bragging even. And then they find that the $3000 they spent three years ago is now completely obsolete (even an old Dell runs WinDoze XP with minor hardware upgrades)...and well, that hurts. Blame whomever you like, the pain is still there..in my years as a #3 I often questioned just what the hell I was doing and why. By the time I am able to afford a new powerbook they'll have G6's (if Moto and IBM ever kick it into gear). My Wallstreet, while still functional is OSX Jag, doesn't have Panthercan't have Panther. Am I complaining? At first I did. At every chance. Now I just grin and bear itand the keyboard of the Wallstreet will get dusty from neglect and the three year old Dell with the inferior OS will be used more and more. I feel a tad neglected, rejected even.but it's all about money kidsApple can't spend the next two years updating their OS to run on every computer made in the last 4 yearsthat's Microsoft's job.and while producing an inferior OS, they still have 95% of the market. Apple is blessed. If they showed their customers 1/4 of the dedication their customer's showed them.they might have a chance in this market. Mac forevereven if it's just a museum piece, ed j -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: legacy hardware and Jaguar/Panther
On Oct 29, 2003, at 9:14 AM, Lorraine Kerwood wrote: Yes, I love Apple too, and OS X, and I would never want to have to go back to the PC (Winblows) world I used to live in, but this is one time that I really wish that Apple had done things differently. And I'm looking at the same thing all over again with Panther. I just finally get a Powerbook (Wallstreet) capable of running X, and I won't be able to run the latest version on it. And my Beige G3 is of course left out. What will it be next version? Native G4 machines only? Just my .02 Its an architecture issue. Only New World ROMs are supported because newer technology [which only came on Macs with NW ROMs] doesn't work on Macs with Old World ROMs. And OW ROMs are not upgradable. Its not like Apple made the decision just to screw you. The OW ROM supports onboard SCSI, serial, ADB etc ... the NW ROM supports FireWire, USB, AGP, PCI-X, AirPort, and a bunch of other technology. You can't do both sadly. David -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:05:31 -0700 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement I will continue to use my PB17 and will most likely be purchasing a PB12 and another iBook within the next year. Why, because they fit me and my family's computing needs. Bob, I find it refreshing to get your point of view on that, specially that you converted not a long time ago. That puts some of the stuff we tend to forget back into perspective... -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Exclusive Club Pass Expired
David What do you mean by more expensive? The price is higher or the value is lower? If you mean that the Mac price is higher then you are right. I can buy a PC for a lower price than my Mac. But I get more for my money. I meant that Mac's are priced higher and that the advantages of more bang for your buck don't matter if you don't have the buck in the first place. Many Mac owner's SAVE their money for a long time in order to buy their Mac...and getting more features standard (ie more initial $$) doesn't matter if the features aren't supported after a couple of yearsmeanwhile over on your friends PC his add-on features that cost him extra after the initial purchase...while fraught with occasional problems and not nearly as pretty as the Mac's..are still working because they are supported. I won't be installing new updates to my (Mac)OS every week True...Apple would charge you. :) Of course they also release complete OS's instead of Window's Betas-sold-as-complete-OS...now if they could just figure out a way to stop doing it every year. Sigh...yes, my PC desktop is much faster than my Mac - but it doesn't let me write reports any faster. No, but when you spend so much of your marketing campaign promoting speed...it becomes a tad ironic. You have described a group of Mac owners but you have left out a very large group - probably the largest. People buy a Mac because it works and it lets them work. No, I described them as Group #3...those who love the obviously superior OS. I am not bashing or trashing Mac...I'm simply trying to grasp and explain what motivates class action law suits from the Mac User side. People belong to an exclusive club when they buy a Mac and they love it (Dell customer's aren't as rabid as Apple's) and suddenly new Mac stuff (ie OS, etc) comes and as simple as that they are no longer in the club...they're on the fringe..running an outdated OS or using a computer who's features have been retiredI think that's itI think the Club pass doesn't open the doors anymore and some of us have to watch from the outside of the fence as everyone else swims in the pool of a new OS. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:57:55 -0500 Subject: Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/29/03 2:11 AM, Edward Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that all of this stems directly from the Mac culture itself. The Mac is a drastically less used, more expensive, and a slower computer (sorry guysbenchmarks vs reality). What do you mean by more expensive? The price is higher or the value is lower? If you mean that the Mac price is higher then you are right. I can buy a PC for a lower price than my Mac. But I get more for my money. My Mac comes with features that are extras on the PC. My Mac won't cause me the same headaches that my PC will. I won't be installing new updates to my OS every week (each one needed and each one possibly wrecking my OS. And yes, I know that MS is now scheduling them monthly. That just means that my computer is more vulnerable for 29 days than it used to be for 6 days) And when I decide to sell my Mac, several years after I've already sold the PC, I will be able to get more for it. As for the speed issue. Sigh...yes, my PC desktop is much faster than my Mac - but it doesn't let me write reports any faster. I don't put out a newsletter any faster. I don't browse the internet any faster. I don't write/read email any faster. The facts are hard...that those who buy Mac's fit one of three patternsthey make their living on a Mac, they want to make a living on a Mac, or they love the obviously superior OS. You have described a group of Mac owners but you have left out a very large group - probably the largest. People buy a Mac because it works and it lets them work. It doesn't grab the user by the nose and force him/her into a pattern decided upon by the programmers. It doesn't assume the user is a moron and needs a wizard. It lets the user get on with the job at hand and stays out of the way. Mac forevereven if it's just a museum piece, Don't you dare call my SE/30 a museum piece - it has a vastly important job - delivering and receiving email for a small non-profit organization. How many 1990 PCs do you know of that are still running without having visited the computer doctor? david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email:
Exclusive Club Pass Expired
David What do you mean by more expensive? The price is higher or the value is lower? If you mean that the Mac price is higher then you are right. I can buy a PC for a lower price than my Mac. But I get more for my money. I meant that Mac's are priced higher and that the advantages of more bang for your buck don't matter if you don't have the buck in the first place. Many Mac owner's SAVE their money for a long time in order to buy their Mac...and getting more features standard (ie more initial $$) doesn't matter if the features aren't supported after a couple of yearsmeanwhile over on your friends PC his add-on features that cost him extra after the initial purchase...while fraught with occasional problems and not nearly as pretty as the Mac's..are still working because they are supported. I won't be installing new updates to my (Mac)OS every week True...Apple would charge you. :) Of course they also release complete OS's instead of Window's Betas-sold-as-complete-OS...now if they could just figure out a way to stop doing it every year. Sigh...yes, my PC desktop is much faster than my Mac - but it doesn't let me write reports any faster. No, but when you spend so much of your marketing campaign promoting speed...it becomes a tad ironic. You have described a group of Mac owners but you have left out a very large group - probably the largest. People buy a Mac because it works and it lets them work. No, I described them as Group #3...those who love the obviously superior OS. I am not bashing or trashing Mac...I'm simply trying to grasp and explain what motivates class action law suits from the Mac User side. People belong to an exclusive club when they buy a Mac and they love it (Dell customer's aren't as rabid as Apple's) and suddenly new Mac stuff (ie OS, etc) comes and as simple as that they are no longer in the club...they're on the fringe..running an outdated OS or using a computer who's features have been retiredI think that's itI think the Club pass doesn't open the doors anymore and some of us have to watch from the outside of the fence as everyone else swims in the pool of a new OS. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:57:55 -0500 Subject: Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/29/03 2:11 AM, Edward Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that all of this stems directly from the Mac culture itself. The Mac is a drastically less used, more expensive, and a slower computer (sorry guysbenchmarks vs reality). What do you mean by more expensive? The price is higher or the value is lower? If you mean that the Mac price is higher then you are right. I can buy a PC for a lower price than my Mac. But I get more for my money. My Mac comes with features that are extras on the PC. My Mac won't cause me the same headaches that my PC will. I won't be installing new updates to my OS every week (each one needed and each one possibly wrecking my OS. And yes, I know that MS is now scheduling them monthly. That just means that my computer is more vulnerable for 29 days than it used to be for 6 days) And when I decide to sell my Mac, several years after I've already sold the PC, I will be able to get more for it. As for the speed issue. Sigh...yes, my PC desktop is much faster than my Mac - but it doesn't let me write reports any faster. I don't put out a newsletter any faster. I don't browse the internet any faster. I don't write/read email any faster. The facts are hard...that those who buy Mac's fit one of three patternsthey make their living on a Mac, they want to make a living on a Mac, or they love the obviously superior OS. You have described a group of Mac owners but you have left out a very large group - probably the largest. People buy a Mac because it works and it lets them work. It doesn't grab the user by the nose and force him/her into a pattern decided upon by the programmers. It doesn't assume the user is a moron and needs a wizard. It lets the user get on with the job at hand and stays out of the way. Mac forevereven if it's just a museum piece, Don't you dare call my SE/30 a museum piece - it has a vastly important job - delivering and receiving email for a small non-profit organization. How many 1990 PCs do you know of that are still running without having visited the computer doctor? david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email:
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
David M. Ensteness wrote: On Oct 29, 2003, at 10:05 AM, ba wrote: I would have to agree here. Apple could easily double their market share if they actually spent a bit more time understanding how to treat their customers ever had to return/fix a machine?. YES!!! Called Apple last Wednesday10/22 about Pismo 400 problems..The NEXT day (10/23) brought a box via Airborne and I sent it to Houston TX on Monday, 10/27 (4pm) because I was in Boston thru10/26 and got it back TODAY (10/29) at 2:45PM. They replaced the Trackpad, Battery, I/O Logic Board, MPU 400MHZ Board, Power Supply and Lithium Battery. Also earlier this year I had the Mat. DVD drive replaced because it died...Apple replaced it with an LG drive that has worked perfectly since then..ALL at no cost..Thank God for AppleCare Uhm yes I have actually. I had to send in my Pismo twice. Took 3 days to get it back all fixed, no questions asked. Friend of mine has a 30GB iPod he started having issues with, syncing didn't work and some other stuff. Called, they sent him a box and he sent it off. Another friend of mine just had his battery replaced in his iBook, had to send it in [pain] but he sent it in on a Friday and he had it on Monday morning at 10am. Apple has been rated really high by Consumer's Reports and by PC Mag for service and support for the past couple of years. I think there is a reason why. ABSOLUTELY!!! David A Loyal Apple Customer, Mike Kochkodin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Hamlin Krewson wrote: My feeling is that what you are asking is like hoping that Ford will design a 2004 Mustang with all new engine, amenities and traction but can also use 1966 Mustang wheels and tires because you already bought them and they are just sitting in your garage doing nothing. It doesn't work. Why? Well, unless Ford is using a smaller rim size and a smaller wheel-well on the new mustangs, the old wheels will fit just fine. If they don't fit this year, wait a few they probably will again. Each car company has a tendency to use a specific layout of posts for attaching lug nuts. I seriously doubt that Ford has changed theirs. For that matter there are only a few variances on the placement/number of posts within the industry. This hasn't changed in decades. So long as the tires are in good shape (doubtful if they're the originals), they can still be used. Now, automotive filters (of any type), that's a different story. These are changed regularly based on the shape and size of the engine compartment and the engine being used. Actually, this happened in the mid 1980's. Ford released the Mustang SVO with wheels that were not compatible with other Mustangs, even ones made the same year. And everyone was pissed. -Hal -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: exif files on Pismo -- show different dates depending on program
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Dwight Hines wrote: Are there multiple exif files and depending on the retrieval program, you get different dates for creation, modification, moves? need an exif expert. I'm certainly not an expert, but I'll try to help. If I understand your question correctly, the answer is no. There is only one set of EXIF tags per image. However, creation, modification, and archive are not EXIF tags. They're set (in the resource fork, I think), by the OS. Capture Date is the EXIF tag. So technically, you could see two different sets of dates, depending on what the application is looking at. At least while you're learning and experimenting, I recommend you download iView 2.0 (If you haven't already) - their tag handling is very clear and easy to follow. It's a $160 app, but it does have an fully functional demo version that you can use to see how the tags are laid out and which are available. HTH. If you have more questions, you might want to e-mail me off list, since this is way off-topic. (Or you might want to join the Graphics Cafe list over at the List Moms Cartel - you're certain to find some real experts there...) Cheers - Steve K. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
I have been trying to follow this thread but have grown a bit tired due to the different time zones and therefore jumbled posts. All I'd like to add is that it's amazing how people jump on Apple considdering the utter CRAP that Micro$oft has produced and to this day still gets away with. Laurence (No, I'm not some sheltered Mac user, I have about 6 PCs) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: exif files on Pismo -- show different dates depending on program
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 01:41 PM, Steve Kidd wrote: Or you might want to join the Graphics Cafe list over at the List Moms Cartel - you're certain to find some real experts there...) I should have given the address when I posted. The Graphics Cafe list can be found at: http://www.listmoms.net/lists/ Sorry for any confusion. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement [STOP!]
Sorry Ma'am... I saw this e-mail too late. Craig W. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
In a message dated 10/29/2003 3:46:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uhm yes I have actually. I had to send in my Pismo twice. Took 3 days to get it back all fixed, no questions asked. (WHY oh WHY am I doing this...?) Oh yeah... I'm bored... This may sound CRAZEE(!), but any merchandise that I would have to send in TWICE to get fixed (unless I did something to cause the problem) would worry me... People, let there be no doubt that Apple is #1 Supremo; but I think it is dangerous to follow ANY entity blindly. Apple is not prefect; far from it, actually (remember the Powerbook 5300, Powerbook 2400c, PowerMac 52xx...?). But then again, who is perfect out there ?!? All I am saying is that lawsuits such as the one this thread was originally concentrating on (A Long, Long Time Ago, In An E-mail Far, Far Away...) are NECESSARY to ensure that companies don't start throwing useless, worthless sh*t our way without any consequences. It is NOT important what each individual plaintiff gets; what IS IMPORTANT is the fact that the company gets taught a valuable lesson: -that it is more cost effective to spend the extra time and money to get something RIGHT (and label it RIGHT as far as what it can and cannot do) rather than throw it out there to the comsumer and let us test-drive it for them... ALSO(!) and I think THIS POINT cannot be overlooked... ...It is NOT important what each individual plaintiff gets; what IS IMPORTANT is the MONEY THE LAWYERS RECEIVE! HA, HA, HA! (Evil laugh, as I smoke my cigar and roll in my pile o' Money on my office floor!!!) My $2.3 million cents! Craig W. - A disgusting Plaintiff Lawyer - -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Not to continue this thread, but how many times does one take a car into work in the course of ownership ... more than 2 times. They fixed it each time it was an example of service which was in question. That will be my last post on this issue. David On Oct 29, 2003, at 4:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/29/2003 3:46:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uhm yes I have actually. I had to send in my Pismo twice. Took 3 days to get it back all fixed, no questions asked. (WHY oh WHY am I doing this...?) Oh yeah... I'm bored... This may sound CRAZEE(!), but any merchandise that I would have to send in TWICE to get fixed (unless I did something to cause the problem) would worry me... People, let there be no doubt that Apple is #1 Supremo; but I think it is dangerous to follow ANY entity blindly. Apple is not prefect; far from it, actually (remember the Powerbook 5300, Powerbook 2400c, PowerMac 52xx...?). But then again, who is perfect out there ?!? All I am saying is that lawsuits such as the one this thread was originally concentrating on (A Long, Long Time Ago, In An E-mail Far, Far Away...) are NECESSARY to ensure that companies don't start throwing useless, worthless sh*t our way without any consequences. It is NOT important what each individual plaintiff gets; what IS IMPORTANT is the fact that the company gets taught a valuable lesson: -that it is more cost effective to spend the extra time and money to get something RIGHT (and label it RIGHT as far as what it can and cannot do) rather than throw it out there to the comsumer and let us test-drive it for them... ALSO(!) and I think THIS POINT cannot be overlooked... ...It is NOT important what each individual plaintiff gets; what IS IMPORTANT is the MONEY THE LAWYERS RECEIVE! HA, HA, HA! (Evil laugh, as I smoke my cigar and roll in my pile o' Money on my office floor!!!) My $2.3 million cents! Craig W. - A disgusting Plaintiff Lawyer - -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On 10/29/03 2:11 AM, Edward Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: I think that all of this stems directly from the Mac culture itself. Simply putMac user's spend a great deal of time talking about their Mac. Bragging even. And then they find that the $3000 they spent three years ago is now completely obsolete (even an old Dell runs WinDoze XP with minor hardware upgrades) Oh Geez. I am a professional Hardware Technician (Apple and PC certified). Do not *even* bring up Dell. They are one of the crappiest manufacturers of relatively proprietary Winbloze crap on the planet and I cringe at the image of their hardware in my head right now. Gateway and HP are close behind. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: legacy hardware and Jaguar/Panther
At 10:45 AM -0600 10/29/03, David M. Ensteness wrote: On Oct 29, 2003, at 9:14 AM, Lorraine Kerwood wrote: Yes, I love Apple too, and OS X, and I would never want to have to go back to the PC (Winblows) world I used to live in, but this is one time that I really wish that Apple had done things differently. And I'm looking at the same thing all over again with Panther. I just finally get a Powerbook (Wallstreet) capable of running X, and I won't be able to run the latest version on it. And my Beige G3 is of course left out. What will it be next version? Native G4 machines only? Just my .02 Its an architecture issue. Only New World ROMs are supported because newer technology [which only came on Macs with NW ROMs] doesn't work on Macs with Old World ROMs. And OW ROMs are not upgradable. Its not like Apple made the decision just to screw you. The OW ROM supports onboard SCSI, serial, ADB etc ... the NW ROM supports FireWire, USB, AGP, PCI-X, AirPort, and a bunch of other technology. You can't do both sadly. It's not that you can't do both, it's just that there is a point of diminishing returns for Apple to keep supporting old hardware. When a fairly small fraction of the market is going to consume a significant portion of the development and test budget for an OS version, it's just not worth it to Apple. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Silly points re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Just a couple of small, silly points about this big kafuffle that has clogged my mailbox all day long. (Don't you people have jobs?) First of all, John Acuff wrote: What will it be next version? Native G4 machines only? That would be nice. Even with only two generations of chips on the market until recently, hardware requirements for software have been a joke over the past year. Now that the G5 is here, and given that it seems to fit in as well with G4 benchmarks as the Pentium 4 did with the standards for previous generations of Intel chips, I'd be happy to see some reasonably accurate information about what kind of hardware is actually required to run stuff short of plunking down my money and crossing my fingers. Honestly, like Kyle said, unless you *have* to be running the latest version of everything (ie. you run a printing business or something, in which case hardware and software upgrades are presumably built into your budget forecasts), what's wrong with sticking to software and an OS that are appropriate to the hardware that you're using, and which you *know* work up to a certain standard? Meanwhile, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you dare call my SE/30 a museum piece - it has a vastly important job - delivering and receiving email for a small non-profit organization. How many 1990 PCs do you know of that are still running without having visited the computer doctor? The Epson Apex (12MHz 286) that I bought in August 1990 is still going strong, and it's only been opened up to have additional hardware (sound card, 3.5 floppy drive, modem, ATI Mach8 graphics card with an earth-shattering-at-the-time 1MB of video RAM) installed over the years. As a point of curiosity, it ran MS-DOS 3.3 when I got it, briefly had 5.0 installed, and continues with 6.22 to this day; none of the silly graphical amendments to MS-DOS are active, and while I've tried to make it run at a worthwhile speed, I've given up on the idea of ever running any version of Windows 3.x on it. (Once the term graphics accelerator became even remotely common on the hardware market, regular obsolescence became a fact of life.) I haven't had a chance to check it out in almost two years, but I'd assume that the IBM XT that I inherited from a neighbour about a year later is probably still capable of running Lotus 1-2-3 the same as it always has. Right now, though, it's keeping speakers off the ground in a warehouse, a task that it will presumably be able to handle for years and years to come. -me, bemused -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: legacy hardware and Jaguar/Panther
You mean, gasp, those of us using old equipment just aren't all that important in the scheme of things Mac? If we're not important to Apple, then...what about our self-esteem??? At 10:45 AM -0600 10/29/03, David M. Ensteness wrote: On Oct 29, 2003, at 9:14 AM, Lorraine Kerwood wrote: Yes, I love Apple too, and OS X, and I would never want to have to go back to the PC (Winblows) world I used to live in, but this is one time that I really wish that Apple had done things differently. And I'm looking at the same thing all over again with Panther. I just finally get a Powerbook (Wallstreet) capable of running X, and I won't be able to run the latest version on it. And my Beige G3 is of course left out. What will it be next version? Native G4 machines only? Just my .02 Its an architecture issue. Only New World ROMs are supported because newer technology [which only came on Macs with NW ROMs] doesn't work on Macs with Old World ROMs. And OW ROMs are not upgradable. Its not like Apple made the decision just to screw you. The OW ROM supports onboard SCSI, serial, ADB etc ... the NW ROM supports FireWire, USB, AGP, PCI-X, AirPort, and a bunch of other technology. You can't do both sadly. It's not that you can't do both, it's just that there is a point of diminishing returns for Apple to keep supporting old hardware. When a fairly small fraction of the market is going to consume a significant portion of the development and test budget for an OS version, it's just not worth it to Apple. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
