Re: Lombard Battery

[Sionnach Aisling]

You might be able to get some use back to the battery
by cycle charging it.  I would try cycle charging at
least a dozen times in succession.  If that doesn't
help, I'd say it's time for a new one.

Sionnach

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> Hi,
> 
> I just got my new Lombard 400 in, and the battery is
> completely dead. I 
> left the thing plugged in for about 2 1/2 hours
> while I was at my band 
> concert, and there was no change from the battery.
> It's still at 0% 
> charge, according to OS X. Is there any way to make
> this thing work? My 
> only other 'Book is a 190 with a NiMH battery, so I
> didn't have to worry 
> about it, which is why I'm asking about the
> Lombard's Lithium Ion battery.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
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Lombard Battery

[Caleb Cupples]

Hi,

I just got my new Lombard 400 in, and the battery is completely dead. I 
left the thing plugged in for about 2 1/2 hours while I was at my band 
concert, and there was no change from the battery. It's still at 0% 
charge, according to OS X. Is there any way to make this thing work? My 
only other 'Book is a 190 with a NiMH battery, so I didn't have to worry 
about it, which is why I'm asking about the Lombard's Lithium Ion battery.


Thanks in advance,
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Re: Lombard Battery/Apple Battery Reset Software

[Francesco sciacca]

> I have two Lombard batteries that I'm considering using Battery Reset on.
> (A) One battery charges to all five bars but dies within a few moments
> when 
> trying to use it. 
> (B)The other battery shows it's in the bay but doesn't charge at all.
...
> My specific question(s) is has anyone been successful with either or both 
> situation A and B as mentioned above? 

I've used it in situation (B) and has had no effect. It was a 5+ year old
battery anyway.

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Lombard Battery/Apple Battery Reset Software

[seahurst]

I have two Lombard batteries that I'm considering using Battery Reset on.
(A) One battery charges to all five bars but dies within a few moments when 
trying to use it. 
(B)The other battery shows it's in the bay but doesn't charge at all.

I've read both positive and negative comments regarding success and failure of 
Apple Battery Reset. One comment is that it has caused issues with charging 
circuitry. I'd rather replace a battery than have a buggy charging system 
problem, but am willing to take a chance if evidence sways me in that direction.

My specific question(s) is has anyone been successful with either or both 
situation A and B as mentioned above? 

My initial thought is that Battery Reset helps with batteries not appearing in 
Wallstreet, Lombard and Clamshell models and can help with memory issues but is 
not intended to do more than that. 

Thanks,

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Re: lombard battery

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On 21/09/04 11:53, "vicki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>> 
> Hi all
> 
> this is a quick question just to satisfy my mind.
> 
> Battery times in variuos OS, why does it vary so much? for example my
> lombard in OSx.1.5 with cdrw/dvd rom (internal) fitted gives 40mins constant
> use useing cds.  In OS9.2.2 1hr 0mins. but in os 8.6 on the second partition
> of the 20gb hdd i have fitted (was a back up Boot folder) i have just got 2
> hrs use. !! why?
> 
> specs are.
> 
> 400cpu 384 mbram (donated 256 ram for a 64mb chip so the other half could
> use a wallstreet he got) 20gb hdd (2 x 10gb partitions) samsung dvd/cdrw
> drive.
> 
> TIA Vicki
> 

Well, I guess that different, subsequent versions of the OS came out with
better algorithms to track the power remaining and making a guess as to how
much time is left...

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lombard battery

[vicki]

> 
Hi all

this is a quick question just to satisfy my mind.

Battery times in variuos OS, why does it vary so much? for example my
lombard in OSx.1.5 with cdrw/dvd rom (internal) fitted gives 40mins constant
use useing cds.  In OS9.2.2 1hr 0mins. but in os 8.6 on the second partition
of the 20gb hdd i have fitted (was a back up Boot folder) i have just got 2
hrs use. !! why?

specs are.

400cpu 384 mbram (donated 256 ram for a 64mb chip so the other half could
use a wallstreet he got) 20gb hdd (2 x 10gb partitions) samsung dvd/cdrw
drive.

TIA Vicki


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Re: Lombard battery

[Tekno Liber]

From: John Acuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm having just the opposite problem on my Wallstreet.
The problem is the same (badly calibrated battery) but the
effect is the opposite.
What you need to do is calibrate the battery:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=30540

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Re: Lombard battery

[John Acuff]

On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 09:38 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

After the "Time Remaining" in the Control Strip goes down to 0:00, I 
still
get another 20 to 30 minutes of battery life.  I'm running OS 9 on a 
333mhz
Lombard.  It's not really a problem but kind of annoying.  I haven't 
noticed
any of that before, although it was probably just because I haven't 
been
paying much attention to it.  Does anybody else have that problem?  I'm
going to upgrade to OS X sometime during the next month (when I have 
time)
so I'm hoping that will solve the problem.
I'm having just the opposite problem on my Wallstreet. The control 
strip will say I have 2hrs and odd minutes, and within a few seconds, 
the screen will dim, and the "battery warning" will pop up, and a few 
seconds later it will shut itself down. I go from maybe 2.5 hours down 
to nothing in minutes. And that's with no CD-rom, modem, or ethernet 
use. I have used battery reset many times and it doesn't make any 
difference. Oh yes, when it shuts down like this, if I press the button 
on the battery, I get one flashing LED, so it seems like the computer 
isn't properly reading the battery.

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Re: Lombard battery

[Tekno Liber]

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

After the "Time Remaining" in the Control Strip goes down to 0:00,
I still get another 20 to 30 minutes of battery life.
You need to recalibrate the battery.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58354

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[tsuki]

After the "Time Remaining" in the Control Strip goes down to 0:00, I still
get another 20 to 30 minutes of battery life.  I'm running OS 9 on a 333mhz
Lombard.  It's not really a problem but kind of annoying.  I haven't noticed
any of that before, although it was probably just because I haven't been
paying much attention to it.  Does anybody else have that problem?  I'm
going to upgrade to OS X sometime during the next month (when I have time)
so I'm hoping that will solve the problem.


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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Joe Ellis]

- Original Message -
From: "Jacob Saariaho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Lombard Battery & Memory


> I was going to upgrade my HD to a 20GB 5400RPM IBM TravelStar but Other
> World Computing was out of stock. I got impatient and went with with
> 30GB 4200RPM, was this a mistake? I'm hoping to get my Lombard up to
> speed to at least work iMovie and maybe Final Cut Pro. I don't expect
> it to cruise but I don't want it to crawl either. Has anyone attempted
> the BlueChip G4 processor upgrade? It intrigues me, but for the price I
> want some assurance of reliability.
>
I've been running the BlueChip upgrade in my Pismo for almost 7 months and
am delighted with it. I also maxed memory out with 2 512 MB cards and a 40
GB hard drive. It is one smoking machine; the only caveat, battery life is
significantly shortened, i.e. I get about 1.5 hours on my batteries which
are about 3 years old. I'm about ready to investigate either rebuilding one
or buying a replacement. I've held off doing that since I rarely am on
battery. In my truck I have a battery adapter that plugs into a lighter
outlet. I also purchased one of those rechargable car jumper battery packs
that have a lighter outlet so I can use it when I am in our hunting camp in
the fall, great for DVD viewing.

Joe Ellis





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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Jacob Saariaho]

I was going to upgrade my HD to a 20GB 5400RPM IBM TravelStar but Other 
World Computing was out of stock. I got impatient and went with with 
30GB 4200RPM, was this a mistake? I'm hoping to get my Lombard up to 
speed to at least work iMovie and maybe Final Cut Pro. I don't expect 
it to cruise but I don't want it to crawl either. Has anyone attempted 
the BlueChip G4 processor upgrade? It intrigues me, but for the price I 
want some assurance of reliability.

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 10:09  PM, Krevnik wrote:

1) Sounds like a dead battery all right... but before throwing it out, 
try Apple's Battery Reset utility. It might not be completely dead, 
but only partially dead and revivable. BTI sells decent replacement 
batteries, but like all laptop LiIon batteries, they are expensive.

2) I suggest 320MB as a minimum. 64MB barely held what I needed to do, 
even under OS 9. I personally will be moving up to 512MB, but that can 
wait.

I am actually in the process of making my stock 333Mhz Lombard into a 
tweaked-out monster (I finished tweaking my 8600, so on to the 
Lombard)... so if you want advice or tips on any Lombard upgrades, I 
can probably answer, as I am looking at all my options and am about 
half-way done with the upgrades.

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 01:17 PM, Ely Zimmerman wrote:

Hello all,

This is my first query to this group, though I've been on the 
powercomputing
list for a while.  Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.

Just got a G3 Lombard via ebay (no manual), & plugged it in to check 
it out
and discovered that  the battery indicator next to the clock has an 
red X
through it and on the control panel strip, when I click on the 
battery icon,
the options are grayed out.

I unplugged it to see if the battery indicator would appear and the 
unit
turned off and reset to 1904

Q 1. Does this mean no battery or dead battery?

Q2.  How much memory do you suggest and and where to get it?

The Lombard currently has 64 K ram running on OS 8.6.

I expect to move to Jaguar and I run Word, Excel, Filemaker, Palm, 
Outlook
Express and Explorer simultaneously.

Eventually I guess I'll need to max out the RAM (512?) but for now I 
would
prefer to try to "get by" with one 256 chip due to cost.

Do I understand correctly that for 512 I'll need both a low and high 
profile
chip if I add both?  As the high profile is less expensive is there 
any
reason I should not get that now and the low profile later? I could 
stretch
and get both now if there was a good reason to but would prefer not 
to have
to.

Any advice on the battery icon, where to get memory and how much I'll 
need?

Thanks,

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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

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On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Ely Zimmerman wrote:

Thanks, Krevnik.

1. Is the reset utility the button on the battery itself? If not, 
where do I
find this utility, I searched on the HD but did not find it?
Try looking at www.macupdate.com and searching for 'Battery Reset'.

2. What/where is BTI?
BTI is a manufacturer... you can purchase their products from places 
like OWC (Online), Fry's (US/Canada) etc.

3. New issue: My wife needs to use a software that is not available on 
the
Mac. She dreads the idea of having to get/use a wintel device. Is 
there a
decent emulator board for the Lombard or what is your opinion of 
Virtual PC
or any other similar program?
No hardware board has been made for anything other than pre-OS X PCI 
Macs... (Orange Micro... Apple made boards for the NuBus PowerMacs, but 
neither is a laptop). Virtual PC is your best bet at running Windows 
software without getting AMD/Intel hardware.

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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Ely Zimmerman]

Thanks, Krevnik.

1. Is the reset utility the button on the battery itself? If not, where do I
find this utility, I searched on the HD but did not find it?

2. What/where is BTI?

3. New issue: My wife needs to use a software that is not available on the
Mac. She dreads the idea of having to get/use a wintel device. Is there a
decent emulator board for the Lombard or what is your opinion of Virtual PC
or any other similar program?

Ely
> From: Krevnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 1) Sounds like a dead battery all right... but before throwing it out,
> try Apple's Battery Reset utility. It might not be completely dead, but
> only partially dead and revivable. BTI sells decent replacement
> batteries, but like all laptop LiIon batteries, they are expensive.
> 
> 2) I suggest 320MB as a minimum. 64MB barely held what I needed to do,
> even under OS 9. I personally will be moving up to 512MB, but that can
> wait.
> 
> I am actually in the process of making my stock 333Mhz Lombard into a
> tweaked-out monster (I finished tweaking my 8600, so on to the
> Lombard)... so if you want advice or tips on any Lombard upgrades, I
> can probably answer, as I am looking at all my options and am about
> half-way done with the upgrades.
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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Krevnik]

1) Sounds like a dead battery all right... but before throwing it out, 
try Apple's Battery Reset utility. It might not be completely dead, but 
only partially dead and revivable. BTI sells decent replacement 
batteries, but like all laptop LiIon batteries, they are expensive.

2) I suggest 320MB as a minimum. 64MB barely held what I needed to do, 
even under OS 9. I personally will be moving up to 512MB, but that can 
wait.

I am actually in the process of making my stock 333Mhz Lombard into a 
tweaked-out monster (I finished tweaking my 8600, so on to the 
Lombard)... so if you want advice or tips on any Lombard upgrades, I 
can probably answer, as I am looking at all my options and am about 
half-way done with the upgrades.

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 01:17 PM, Ely Zimmerman wrote:

Hello all,

This is my first query to this group, though I've been on the 
powercomputing
list for a while.  Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.

Just got a G3 Lombard via ebay (no manual), & plugged it in to check 
it out
and discovered that  the battery indicator next to the clock has an 
red X
through it and on the control panel strip, when I click on the battery 
icon,
the options are grayed out.

I unplugged it to see if the battery indicator would appear and the 
unit
turned off and reset to 1904

Q 1. Does this mean no battery or dead battery?

Q2.  How much memory do you suggest and and where to get it?

The Lombard currently has 64 K ram running on OS 8.6.

I expect to move to Jaguar and I run Word, Excel, Filemaker, Palm, 
Outlook
Express and Explorer simultaneously.

Eventually I guess I'll need to max out the RAM (512?) but for now I 
would
prefer to try to "get by" with one 256 chip due to cost.

Do I understand correctly that for 512 I'll need both a low and high 
profile
chip if I add both?  As the high profile is less expensive is there any
reason I should not get that now and the low profile later? I could 
stretch
and get both now if there was a good reason to but would prefer not to 
have
to.

Any advice on the battery icon, where to get memory and how much I'll 
need?

Thanks,

Ely



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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Clark Martin]

At 2:07 PM -0700 9/22/03, Ely Zimmerman wrote:
Thanks, Clark. Good to know about the battery button and that OS X works ok
at 320K.  Do you feel limits at 320 that are pushing you to 576?
Since OS X automatically assigns more to a program as it needs it you 
don't run out of memory or such but it does impact speed.  But since 
I have no grounds for comparison I can't say if 512K total (that is 
the max) will make a noticeable difference.  I have felt that with 
many programs launched it does seem slower but it's highly subjective.
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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Ely Zimmerman]

Thanks once more. I'll wait to see.
Ely 


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> Reply-To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:04:41 -0400
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Lombard Battery & Memory
> 
> On 22/09/03 16:43, "Jacob Saariaho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I'm in a similar situation myself, with a Lombard I got as a
>> hand-me-down. I just purchased both the high profile and low profile
>> 256 chips from Otherworld Computing. With 128 MB my Lombard runs Jaguar
>> surprisingly well, but it is slow. I'm also replacing the hard drive
>> with a larger and faster one, apparently Jaguar uses virtual memory
>> automatically so a small slow drive bogs it down considerably. I'm
>> interested to hear what others have to say about your battery issues.
>> My battery is most definitely dead, but I'm also replacing my PRAM
>> battery because my computer doesn't like to keep the date if it's
>> unplugged for too long. Unfortunately, nobody seems to offer a new PRAM
>> battery, so I'm forced to get one on eBay.
> 
> I'm not sure but I kinda remember reading at some point that if your main
> battery was dead, the PRAM one wouldn't recharge. I would try it with a new
> main battery, leaving it plugged for at least 48 hours to see if it helps
> before trying a new PRAM.
> 
> -Laurent.
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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Ely Zimmerman]

Thanks, Clark. Good to know about the battery button and that OS X works ok
at 320K.  Do you feel limits at 320 that are pushing you to 576?
Ely 


> From: Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:31:51 -0700
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Lombard Battery & Memory
> 
> At 1:17 PM -0700 9/22/03, Ely Zimmerman wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> This is my first query to this group, though I've been on the powercomputing
>> list for a while.  Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.
>> 
>> Just got a G3 Lombard via ebay (no manual), & plugged it in to check it out
>> and discovered that  the battery indicator next to the clock has an red X
>> through it and on the control panel strip, when I click on the battery icon,
>> the options are grayed out.
>> 
>> I unplugged it to see if the battery indicator would appear and the unit
>> turned off and reset to 1904
>> 
>> Q 1. Does this mean no battery or dead battery?
> 
> 
> Most  likely.  Check the LED display on the battery (there is a
> button you can push on it.)
> 
>> 
>> Q2.  How much memory do you suggest and and where to get it?
>> 
>> The Lombard currently has 64 K ram running on OS 8.6.
>> 
>> I expect to move to Jaguar and I run Word, Excel, Filemaker, Palm, Outlook
>> Express and Explorer simultaneously.
>> 
>> Eventually I guess I'll need to max out the RAM (512?) but for now I would
>> prefer to try to "get by" with one 256 chip due to cost.
> 
> 
> I'm using a WallStreet with 320Mb RAM, the original 64 plus an added
> 256Mb.  I'm running OS X.  It works pretty well.  I figure to get
> another 256Mb soon.
> 
>> 
>> Do I understand correctly that for 512 I'll need both a low and high profile
>> chip if I add both?  As the high profile is less expensive is there any
>> reason I should not get that now and the low profile later? I could stretch
>> and get both now if there was a good reason to but would prefer not to have
>> to.
>> 
>> Any advice on the battery icon, where to get memory and how much I'll need?
> 
> 
> The lower slot requires the low profile memory, the upper can take
> either.  I went with the low profile and put it into the bottom slot.
> This will make adding another 256Mb easier.
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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Ely Zimmerman]

Thanks, Jacob.
I hadn't thought of the PRAM battery.  I will need a larger HD also. If you
find a good deal on 20 or 40 GIG ,would you let me know/
Ely 


> From: Jacob Saariaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:43:49 -0400
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Lombard Battery & Memory
> 
> I'm in a similar situation myself, with a Lombard I got as a
> hand-me-down. I just purchased both the high profile and low profile
> 256 chips from Otherworld Computing. With 128 MB my Lombard runs Jaguar
> surprisingly well, but it is slow. I'm also replacing the hard drive
> with a larger and faster one, apparently Jaguar uses virtual memory
> automatically so a small slow drive bogs it down considerably. I'm
> interested to hear what others have to say about your battery issues.
> My battery is most definitely dead, but I'm also replacing my PRAM
> battery because my computer doesn't like to keep the date if it's
> unplugged for too long. Unfortunately, nobody seems to offer a new PRAM
> battery, so I'm forced to get one on eBay.
> 
> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:17  PM, Ely Zimmerman wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> This is my first query to this group, though I've been on the
>> powercomputing
>> list for a while.  Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.
>> 
>> Just got a G3 Lombard via ebay (no manual), & plugged it in to check
>> it out
>> and discovered that  the battery indicator next to the clock has an
>> red X
>> through it and on the control panel strip, when I click on the battery
>> icon,
>> the options are grayed out.
>> 
>> I unplugged it to see if the battery indicator would appear and the
>> unit
>> turned off and reset to 1904
>> 
>> Q 1. Does this mean no battery or dead battery?
>> 
>> Q2.  How much memory do you suggest and and where to get it?
>> 
>> The Lombard currently has 64 K ram running on OS 8.6.
>> 
>> I expect to move to Jaguar and I run Word, Excel, Filemaker, Palm,
>> Outlook
>> Express and Explorer simultaneously.
>> 
>> Eventually I guess I'll need to max out the RAM (512?) but for now I
>> would
>> prefer to try to "get by" with one 256 chip due to cost.
>> 
>> Do I understand correctly that for 512 I'll need both a low and high
>> profile
>> chip if I add both?  As the high profile is less expensive is there any
>> reason I should not get that now and the low profile later? I could
>> stretch
>> and get both now if there was a good reason to but would prefer not to
>> have
>> to.
>> 
>> Any advice on the battery icon, where to get memory and how much I'll
>> need?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ely
>> 
>> 
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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 22/09/03 16:43, "Jacob Saariaho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm in a similar situation myself, with a Lombard I got as a
> hand-me-down. I just purchased both the high profile and low profile
> 256 chips from Otherworld Computing. With 128 MB my Lombard runs Jaguar
> surprisingly well, but it is slow. I'm also replacing the hard drive
> with a larger and faster one, apparently Jaguar uses virtual memory
> automatically so a small slow drive bogs it down considerably. I'm
> interested to hear what others have to say about your battery issues.
> My battery is most definitely dead, but I'm also replacing my PRAM
> battery because my computer doesn't like to keep the date if it's
> unplugged for too long. Unfortunately, nobody seems to offer a new PRAM
> battery, so I'm forced to get one on eBay.

I'm not sure but I kinda remember reading at some point that if your main
battery was dead, the PRAM one wouldn't recharge. I would try it with a new
main battery, leaving it plugged for at least 48 hours to see if it helps
before trying a new PRAM.

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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Jacob Saariaho]

I'm in a similar situation myself, with a Lombard I got as a 
hand-me-down. I just purchased both the high profile and low profile 
256 chips from Otherworld Computing. With 128 MB my Lombard runs Jaguar 
surprisingly well, but it is slow. I'm also replacing the hard drive 
with a larger and faster one, apparently Jaguar uses virtual memory 
automatically so a small slow drive bogs it down considerably. I'm 
interested to hear what others have to say about your battery issues. 
My battery is most definitely dead, but I'm also replacing my PRAM 
battery because my computer doesn't like to keep the date if it's 
unplugged for too long. Unfortunately, nobody seems to offer a new PRAM 
battery, so I'm forced to get one on eBay.

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:17  PM, Ely Zimmerman wrote:

Hello all,

This is my first query to this group, though I've been on the 
powercomputing
list for a while.  Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.

Just got a G3 Lombard via ebay (no manual), & plugged it in to check 
it out
and discovered that  the battery indicator next to the clock has an 
red X
through it and on the control panel strip, when I click on the battery 
icon,
the options are grayed out.

I unplugged it to see if the battery indicator would appear and the 
unit
turned off and reset to 1904

Q 1. Does this mean no battery or dead battery?

Q2.  How much memory do you suggest and and where to get it?

The Lombard currently has 64 K ram running on OS 8.6.

I expect to move to Jaguar and I run Word, Excel, Filemaker, Palm, 
Outlook
Express and Explorer simultaneously.

Eventually I guess I'll need to max out the RAM (512?) but for now I 
would
prefer to try to "get by" with one 256 chip due to cost.

Do I understand correctly that for 512 I'll need both a low and high 
profile
chip if I add both?  As the high profile is less expensive is there any
reason I should not get that now and the low profile later? I could 
stretch
and get both now if there was a good reason to but would prefer not to 
have
to.

Any advice on the battery icon, where to get memory and how much I'll 
need?

Thanks,

Ely



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Re: Lombard Battery & Memory

[Clark Martin]

At 1:17 PM -0700 9/22/03, Ely Zimmerman wrote:
Hello all,

This is my first query to this group, though I've been on the powercomputing
list for a while.  Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.
Just got a G3 Lombard via ebay (no manual), & plugged it in to check it out
and discovered that  the battery indicator next to the clock has an red X
through it and on the control panel strip, when I click on the battery icon,
the options are grayed out.
I unplugged it to see if the battery indicator would appear and the unit
turned off and reset to 1904
Q 1. Does this mean no battery or dead battery?


Most  likely.  Check the LED display on the battery (there is a 
button you can push on it.)

Q2.  How much memory do you suggest and and where to get it?

The Lombard currently has 64 K ram running on OS 8.6.

I expect to move to Jaguar and I run Word, Excel, Filemaker, Palm, Outlook
Express and Explorer simultaneously.
Eventually I guess I'll need to max out the RAM (512?) but for now I would
prefer to try to "get by" with one 256 chip due to cost.


I'm using a WallStreet with 320Mb RAM, the original 64 plus an added 
256Mb.  I'm running OS X.  It works pretty well.  I figure to get 
another 256Mb soon.

Do I understand correctly that for 512 I'll need both a low and high profile
chip if I add both?  As the high profile is less expensive is there any
reason I should not get that now and the low profile later? I could stretch
and get both now if there was a good reason to but would prefer not to have
to.
Any advice on the battery icon, where to get memory and how much I'll need?


The lower slot requires the low profile memory, the upper can take 
either.  I went with the low profile and put it into the bottom slot. 
This will make adding another 256Mb easier.
--
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Redwood City, CA, USA
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Lombard Battery & Memory

[Ely Zimmerman]

Hello all,

This is my first query to this group, though I've been on the powercomputing
list for a while.  Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.

Just got a G3 Lombard via ebay (no manual), & plugged it in to check it out
and discovered that  the battery indicator next to the clock has an red X
through it and on the control panel strip, when I click on the battery icon,
the options are grayed out.

I unplugged it to see if the battery indicator would appear and the unit
turned off and reset to 1904

Q 1. Does this mean no battery or dead battery?

Q2.  How much memory do you suggest and and where to get it?

The Lombard currently has 64 K ram running on OS 8.6.

I expect to move to Jaguar and I run Word, Excel, Filemaker, Palm, Outlook
Express and Explorer simultaneously.

Eventually I guess I'll need to max out the RAM (512?) but for now I would
prefer to try to "get by" with one 256 chip due to cost.

Do I understand correctly that for 512 I'll need both a low and high profile
chip if I add both?  As the high profile is less expensive is there any
reason I should not get that now and the low profile later? I could stretch
and get both now if there was a good reason to but would prefer not to have
to.

Any advice on the battery icon, where to get memory and how much I'll need?

Thanks,

Ely



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Re: lombard battery not recognized

[Dan K]

t. (Jkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>hi all got a quickey when i got my lombard the battery showed up but would
>not charge, now the book doent even recogized the battery as in.
>ive checked the archive and tried reseting the pmu i also replaced the pmu
>board, also zapped the pram but still wont show battery any one got any
>ideas as to what i can try now?
I've had very good luck using Battery Reset to return batteries to life. 
Will it work for you? Dunno, but the best candidates seem to batteries 
that are completely unrecognized by the PB. I revived 4 or so that showed 
_no_ life at all. The one battery that wouldn't revive was the one that 
_did_ show up but never charged past a single blinking light.

Now mind you, a couple of those revived aren't exactly towers-of-power in 
terms of useful life but at least they are once more _useful_. However 
the other two are 3-4 hour runners, all-in-all quite a jump in value from 
the lumps of plastic and lithium I was ready to toss into a junkbox.

KB info page here:

DL here:


For the price it's certainly worth trying, eh? ;-)

hth,

Dan K


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Re: lombard battery not recognized

[Richard Orlin]

Battery is dead. Time to buy a new one. Provantage has new BTI 
batteries for $120
I had the same problem. Luckily MY seller refunded $95 of my purchase 
price to cover a new battery. Good luck



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hi all got a quickey when i got my lombard the battery showed up but 
would
not charge, now the book doent even recogized the battery as in.
ive checked the archive and tried reseting the pmu i also replaced the 
pmu
board, also zapped the pram but still wont show battery any one got any
ideas as to what i can try now?

thanks

t.

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lombard battery not recognized

[Jkr]

hi all got a quickey when i got my lombard the battery showed up but would
not charge, now the book doent even recogized the battery as in.
ive checked the archive and tried reseting the pmu i also replaced the pmu
board, also zapped the pram but still wont show battery any one got any
ideas as to what i can try now?


thanks

t.


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Re: Powerbook Lombard battery

[Thomas Ethen]

Has anyone taken a Pismo battery apart and if so, what holds it together? I
am about to take one apart and thought that if anyone had been there before
I would take advantage of their experience! It looks to me like there are
four pins that hold it together, but before I fire up my drill, I am putting
this to the list.

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Powerbook Lombard battery

[Majid Charania]

Hi! I was wondering whether there was such a thing as Battery Recondition,
or similar utility, for a PB Lombard battery ? I know its Lithium Ion, and
"smart", but can it still be reconditioned ?  Mine lasts about 2 - 2.5 hours
and it would be nice if I could squeeze out every last minute of juice from
the battery.

Thanks,

Majid Charania


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Re: Lombard battery

[Greg Gilmore]

>> The battery on my wife's Lombard will not charge. I assume the adapter's OK
>> because the computer will run on it. Is this assumption wrong? Might there
>> be some way to solve the problem short of replacing the battery?

> The problem is likely either the battery or the charging circuitry in the
> computer. I suggest that you see if the battery will charge in the other
> battery bay. Also, try the battery in another computer and try a known good
> battery in your computer. This should help you isolate the fault.
> 
> Paul

Thanks for the advice, Paul. Seeing if the battery would charge in the other
bay was something that hadn't occurred to me. It didn't help, however, and
I'm assuming the battery's shot. Do not have access to other Lombards or
their batteries where I am. Guess I just need to buy a new battery.


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Re: Lombard battery

[Paul Nicholson]

At 8:43 AM +0500 9/23/09, Greg Gilmore wrote:
>The battery on my wife's Lombard will not charge. I assume the adapter's OK
>because the computer will run on it. Is this assumption wrong? Might there
>be some way to solve the problem short of replacing the battery?

The problem is likely either the battery or the charging circuitry in the computer. I 
suggest that you see if the battery will charge in the other battery bay. Also, try 
the battery in another computer and try a known good battery in your computer. This 
should help you isolate the fault.

Paul

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Re: Lombard battery

[Mike Amato]

on 10/2/02 6:31 AM, Greg Gilmore at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks, Andrew, for your input on my battery's output, or lack thereof.
> Unfortunately don't have a similar PB anywhere near me. Have tried zapping
> the pram a few zillion times.
> 
Have you tried batter recondition or other utils out there.
Go to the Apple site and punch in battery.
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Re: Lombard battery

[Greg Gilmore]

Thanks, Andrew, for your input on my battery's output, or lack thereof.
Unfortunately don't have a similar PB anywhere near me. Have tried zapping
the pram a few zillion times.

> Try charging it on a different Powerbook G3 (Lombard and Pismo will
> work according to my room-mate) if that doesn't work, then I guess a
> new battery would probably be in order. (maybe the standard remedy of
> zapping the pram might work as well?)
> -Andrew
> 
>> The battery on my wife's Lombard will not charge. I assume the
>> adapter's OK
>> because the computer will run on it. Is this assumption wrong? Might
>> there
>> be some way to solve the problem short of replacing the battery?


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Re: Lombard battery

[Remy Davison]

>> The battery on my wife's Lombard will not charge. I assume the 
>> adapter's OK
>> because the computer will run on it. Is this assumption wrong? Might 
>> there
>> be some way to solve the problem short of replacing the battery?
>
>Try resetting the Power Manager
>
>http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449
>
>If that doesn't work you are probably facing one of three options
>
>Replace Lombard DC/Charge PCB
>Replace Battery
>Replace AC adapter.
>
>It would be helpful if you could see if your battery charges in another 
>Lombard.
Unless there's evidence to the contrary (e.g., recent purchase), I'd 
assume the battery's dead. The Lombard/Pismo LiIONs only last a couple of 
years. My first battery lasted 2.5 years (as opposed to my old 5300 and 
190 NiMH batteries which are still going strong, 7 years on!).

Cheers,

RD

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Re: Lombard battery

[Kenneth Stevens]

On Monday, January 18, 2038, at 08:14 PM, Greg Gilmore wrote:

> The battery on my wife's Lombard will not charge. I assume the 
> adapter's OK
> because the computer will run on it. Is this assumption wrong? Might 
> there
> be some way to solve the problem short of replacing the battery?

Try resetting the Power Manager

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449

If that doesn't work you are probably facing one of three options

Replace Lombard DC/Charge PCB
Replace Battery
Replace AC adapter.

It would be helpful if you could see if your battery charges in another 
Lombard.

Ken


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Re: Lombard battery

[Andrew Johnson]

Try charging it on a different Powerbook G3 (Lombard and Pismo will 
work according to my room-mate) if that doesn't work, then I guess a 
new battery would probably be in order. (maybe the standard remedy of 
zapping the pram might work as well?)
-Andrew

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> The battery on my wife's Lombard will not charge. I assume the 
> adapter's OK
> because the computer will run on it. Is this assumption wrong? Might 
> there
> be some way to solve the problem short of replacing the battery?
>
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Lombard battery

[Greg Gilmore]

The battery on my wife's Lombard will not charge. I assume the adapter's OK
because the computer will run on it. Is this assumption wrong? Might there
be some way to solve the problem short of replacing the battery?

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lombard battery

[PirateDyl]

Hey, i'm buying a powerbook g3 lombard, which is the reason that I originally 
joined this list, and it turns out that the battery might not work too well. 
This is the situation:
He hasn't used it too much, and just kept it stored for over a year. I 
assume that it wasn't fully charged. Therefore, it might hold 30 minutes max.
Aside from conditioning it (completely charging and discharging it)and 
setting the energy saver settings lower, is there another way to get more 
time out of the battery? I plan on running Mac OS X, but I hear that 
batteries suffer on X. As a matter of fact, i don't know how well X would run 
on a 333 lombard. any comments?
If I have to go and buy a new battery, what is the best way to get one 
(so I dont get one that dies in less than a year) and cheap, so that I can 
actually eat for the month?
And finally, just from the experience from those on the list, is there 
anything else I need to know about buying a used powerbook?
Thanks guys.
-Dylan

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Re: Lombard Battery Charging Problem

[Ken Stevens]

On 5/30/02 4:49 AM, "James Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While using my Lombard 333 here in India a few days ago, there was some
> fluctuation with the power supply, and although two of us had spike
> protectors and surge protectors, both of our regular and clock back up
> batteries stopped working, although everything had been fine before.  I
> don't know what it was that got through all of the protection (India is
> having massive power problems since Dabhol has shut down), but it appears
> to have fried the charging mechanism.  Can someone tell me what part this
> is and how to change it?
> 
The very same thing happened to my Lombard last week.  I don't have any
surge issues so I guess sometimes they just stop working.  My research has
found the following:

http://www.pbparts.com/
Lombard DC/Charge PCB - $89 US

http://www.powerbookguy.com
Power Supply/Charge Board for PowerBook G3 Lombard - $89.95 (with exchange)

This unit is located directly beneath the track pad.  I have the service
manual (8.2 meg) and it doesn't look too complicated.

Good luck.

Ken


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Re: Lombard Battery Charging Problem

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 30/05/02 06:49, "James Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (India is
> having massive power problems since Dabhol has shut down)

Why did Dabhol did shut down? Just curious...

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Re: Lombard Battery Charging Problem

[Ryan Coleman]

What you describe does not protect major rate changes (lightning, for 
example, is useless to try and protect yourself from; can you imagine 
what you would need to block a 5,000,000 volt bolt of lightning? 
likely a $5,000USA UPS system).

It appears like the voltage could have gone beyond that of the power 
supply (brick) that came with the 'book and it could have fried the 
batteries.

Keep in mind, I say could. I make no promises to know what happend as 
I am almost exactly on the other half of the globe from you. I could 
probably answer things more accurately if I were able to investigate 
your computer more. Above is only my best guess.

>While using my Lombard 333 here in India a few days ago, there was some
>fluctuation with the power supply, and although two of us had spike
>protectors and surge protectors, both of our regular and clock back up
>batteries stopped working, although everything had been fine before.  I
>don't know what it was that got through all of the protection (India is
>having massive power problems since Dabhol has shut down), but it appears
>to have fried the charging mechanism.  Can someone tell me what part this
>is and how to change it?

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Lombard Battery Charging Problem

[James Cox]

While using my Lombard 333 here in India a few days ago, there was some
fluctuation with the power supply, and although two of us had spike
protectors and surge protectors, both of our regular and clock back up
batteries stopped working, although everything had been fine before.  I
don't know what it was that got through all of the protection (India is
having massive power problems since Dabhol has shut down), but it appears
to have fried the charging mechanism.  Can someone tell me what part this
is and how to change it?

Thanks,
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Ahmednagar Dist. M.S. 414005
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Re: Lombard battery source?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 14/05/02 21:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm ready to install a larger hard drive in my Lombard 400. Any suggestions
> for sources? Is this a difficult install? I've done 3400s in the past, usually
> with success.

Very easy. You remove the keyboard and the hard drive is right there. You
should maybe try to get the Lombard's service manual, so you'll know where
are the screws and how to pull the drive.

I always bought my drives from GoGoCity.com which has continually better
deals than any other resellers, including MCE. All those hard drives are the
same. They are whether from IBM, Toshiba or Hitachi, mostly.

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Re: Lombard battery source?

[Gary D. Adams]

Much easier than 3400! imho. I've done them both.

Gary

"Alan C. Magnus" wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 08:25  pm, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm ready to install a larger hard drive in my Lombard 400. Any
> > suggestions for sources? Is this a difficult install? I've done 3400s
> > in the past, usually with success.
> >
> > Willi
> >
>
> Willi,
>
> I've done it a few times and it only takes a few minutes. I bought my
> replacement from MCE http://store.powerbook1.com/harddrives.html and I
> was satisfied with their service and the product.
>
> Alan.
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Re: Lombard battery source?

[Alan C . Magnus]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 08:25  pm, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm ready to install a larger hard drive in my Lombard 400. Any 
> suggestions for sources? Is this a difficult install? I've done 3400s 
> in the past, usually with success.
>
> Willi
>

Willi,

I've done it a few times and it only takes a few minutes. I bought my 
replacement from MCE http://store.powerbook1.com/harddrives.html and I 
was satisfied with their service and the product.

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Lombard battery source?

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I'm ready to install a larger hard drive in my Lombard 400. Any suggestions for 
sources? Is this a difficult install? I've done 3400s in the past, usually with 
success.

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Lombard Battery Charge Problem

[Ken Stevens]

I have a 1999 (Bronze, Lombard etc.) 400 mhz powerbook.

Both my batteries have stopped charging, the powerbook sees them they just
won't charge.  I went through Apple's Knowledge Base and have tried to reset
the power manager several times by pressing the reset button with the pb off
and waiting for at least 5 seconds.  Apple says this should wipe out my RAM
disk - it does, and reset the clock to 12:00 A.M., 01/01/1904 - it doesn't.
So I'm not sure the power manager has been reset.

Any suggestions?  I'm pretty sure the batteries are OK.

Ken


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