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I agree with most of your post, but this statement doesn't work for me at all! I have a lob with both Mac's and PC's and although the PC's are easy to maintain, they require maintenance on a regular basic while the Mac's rarely do, which is why I have Mac's at home. Also, the PC you get for $600 isn't nearly as elegant as any newer Mac, including your iMac, but it is cheap (not inexpensive) if that is the way you want to go. Most people don't really need to get a new computer if the one they have will fill their needs and after all how fast can anyone type! Tom I can by a new desktop PC, monitor, and linux distro for $600. Why should I spend $800 more for that fancy new iMac? Especially given that a desktop PC is pretty generic, thusly cheap and easy to maintain... unlike the iMac with it's many proprietary parts. peace, Dyna -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On 6/1/02 6:02 PM, Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can find no compelling reason to replace my 333mhz iMac desktop machine or upgrade to OSX. Then Don't. But on the flip side, don't put down the people that do. People like myself who don't really care about the price, and can afford a brand new one every year, sometimes 2 units a year. I could care less about the upgradeability factor because I just go out and buy a complete new unit. That's my choice. You really don't need to tell us whether or not you find reasons to replace or upgrade. It's like you need to justify to us why you are not going to do so. Your reasons are exactly that. Your reasons. I would hope you wouldn't make a purchase based on what others think. In the early days of both motor vehicles and computers this was true. The personal computer is now over a quarter century old and the Mac is now getting close to 20 years old, especially if you count the Lisa. A new iMac won't do e-mail, surf the web, or process words much better than my 3 year old one. You are very correct. My first Mac was an iMac Rev. D 333MHz. It is still being used by my family, and running OS X just fine. Sure it takes a little bit longer to boot up then our iMac DV SE, but when all is opened and running, it checks email just as fast as the DV SE does. It web surfs on the same broadband network, and writes a mean letter. Let me get this right- I'm supposed to bin my working 3 year old iMac for a new one at upwards of $1300? Just so I can impress every one with how cl it looks? Of course not. I do it for myself, and no one else. I can by a new desktop PC, monitor, and linux distro for $600. Why should I spend $800 more for that fancy new iMac? Especially given that a desktop PC is pretty generic, thusly cheap and easy to maintain... unlike the iMac with it's many proprietary parts. Why? Obviously you are in the wrong boat, and there is nothing wrong with that. If you cannot justify to yourself why you use an Apple, then by all means jump ship. Apple is not for you. Go buy yourself a nice PC, save your money and be happy. Lord knows I wish I could be happy with a PC. I wish I could buy an Hewlett Packard PC (which I also did in 2000, just to try out Windows 2000 Pro to see if I would like it - I didn't and gave the system to my Dad) and monitor for $800 and have the same level of satisfactioin that my Apple gives me. Myself? I drool over Apple. I have never been so satisfied with my computer and operating system as I am now with Apple. I used PCs from 1988 until 1999. I bought my first Apple in 99, as I said earlier, just to see if I would like it. Being that it was my trial machine, I bought the low end model. I loved it. So much so, that the next year I bought a new one. 2000 I bought an iMac DV SE. I would have bought a newer one in 2001, but I bought a 4 year old Cadillac Seville (and paid for it in a year) for my Wife as well as my iBook in November of 2001. I am crazy about my iBook, and plan on getting a TiBook this autumn. Then there are my normal purchases. iPod (5 Gig, and soon to be 10), Palms (my new m515 should be arriving in the mail within a week or so), digital cameras (Mine and the Wife's), digital video camera, Adobe software, Microsoft Office v.X. A quick check of Quicken tells me that I spent $11,800 on computers, hardware accessories (like what I just mentioned) and software between last year and this year so far. To most people this is a sign of some very serious issues ;) To me, I just spend my money on what I like. All this to say, shelling out the money for a new system as opposed to upgrading or choosing not to upgrade is a personal decision based on each individual's circumstances and opinions and priorities. We should not be getting into argumentative dialogs over it that stem from something such as the availability of technical manuals. To each their own, and viva la difference. Peace, Walt -- Red meat is not bad for you Fuzzy green meat is bad for you. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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I agree with most of your post, but this statement doesn't work for me at all! I have a lob with both Mac's and PC's and although the PC's are easy to maintain, they require maintenance on a regular basic while the Mac's rarely do, which is why I have Mac's at home. PC heads will argue that vehemently, and although I would lean toward the Mac side on this point, I would definitely give them this: at my job, 9x out of 10, a machine goes down because the user tries to treat a PC like he/she would a Mac, or vice versa. Also, the PC you get for $600 isn't nearly as elegant as any newer Mac, including your iMac, but it is cheap (not inexpensive) if that is the way you want to go. Well said. Hence Apple's slogan: Think Different. Most people don't really need to get a new computer if the one they have will fill their needs and after all how fast can anyone type! Additionally, if you're buying a computer to type/ email/ surf, don't get a Mac. A PC will do fine for a lot cheaper. This really isn't what (IMHO) Mac's were intended for, and it certainly isn't their strongest point. I can by a new desktop PC, monitor, and linux distro for $600. Why should I spend $800 more for that fancy new iMac? Especially given that a desktop PC is pretty generic, thusly cheap and easy to maintain... unlike the iMac with it's many proprietary parts. Again, hence Apple's slogan: Think Different. I personally regard Apple as an innovator, which is routinely overlooked by most when making comparisons: the GUI, the mouse, the move away from generic beige colored boxes, firewire, Newton . . . . . hell, without Apple's vision, you might not even have the luxury of palmrests on your laptop today. Speaking for myself, I don't mind paying a little more in exchange for their creativity/ ingenuity. Which of course isn't to say that they're the only ones making waves out there. I just think the computing world would be a mundane one without Apple. And as far as the MHz myth, I don't believe it applies to laptops, since their primary function is portability, and not necessarily speed. But that's the old school in me talking. My Rev A TiBook may be slow, but I get more productivity out of it solely on the merits of its wide screen. __C -- Chrys R. Cruz, Exhibit Design Engineering Liberty Science Center Jersey City NJ 07305 Greatest Inspiration: The Heroes of Ground Zero -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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I think that unless you are a very casual home user, expecting a computer to service you WELL for five years may now be unrealistic. I think what he means is that maybe he will get a Wintel machine that he can upgrade. Now this is certainly possible and it can happen at a fraction of the price of the locked in Macintosh. Unfortunately the Mhz myth is not that much of a myth - PC's in general are really faster for the price and generally have more upgrade options. That and the fact that PC's lose their value far faster than Mac's. Part of the reason for that has been the very, very slow tech advancement on the mac side compared to PC's. Your computer just isn't considered as outdated as quickly as PC tech is. The other reasons are a lot more complex and involve less computers made combined with having a single supplier, and their starting costs. Michael Bryan Bell -- ICQ: 16106263Yahoo: mhbell1 No Link for you! AIM: drunkenbatman -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Thursday, May 30, 2002, at 12:01 PM, Remy Davison wrote: Not quite. Apple made available the full Service Source CDs commercially available a year or so back for a few hundred bucks the set. They're freely available on ebay and elsewhere. What they were doing was widening the availability of Apple-knowledgeable techs, who did Mac repairs, but were never going to bother to become certified techs (I've seen the exams, they're damn difficult! You really have to be a hardware engineer - Kyle, are you one?). An engineer? Hardly. you just have to know the basics about how electronics work and have a lot of problem solving skills. Hm, I might be thinking of more tech documentation - esp. with LaserWriter docs I've seen - which had some pretty serious ROM mounting stuff involved (and if you stuffed it up you had to replace the mobo and start again). Something rather more than Service Source which requires usually 2 screwdrivers, an antistatic strap and a Torx T8. Cheers, RD. Remy Davison Contributing Editor/News Editor, Insanely-Great Mac http://www.insanely-great.com mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RD's PowerBook page: http://www.macpowerbook.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Dyna wrote: The BMW I rode to work today is 18 years old, and in that time 2 local dealers have gone out of business and the 3rd is useless. Without a manual it would have been binned long ago. I also have a Ten-Tec ham radio transceiver from the early 1980s that came with a very complete manual. It thusly still works fine and will continue to do so for years to come. These items are keepers, while the Pismo seems a throwaway toy by comparison. Apples vs fish! You're comparing motorcycles (fairly simple mechanical devices made with mostly standard parts) with laptops (rather complex electronic devices made with mostly proprietary parts). I have a computer from the early 80's that came with *complete* specs from circuit diagrams to OS source: my Apple II+. Apple seems to think they'll force me to lay out a couple grand for a new PowerBook every 3 years. I don't reward such banditry, and will by my next computer elsewhere. If Apple had treated me better I'd buy a new PowerBook every 5 years- instead their greed has completely lost me as a customer. LOL, and what PeeCee manufacturer, pray tell, do you expect to treat you differently??? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Friday, May 31, 2002, at 12:19 AM, Dyna wrote: Apple seems to think they'll force me to lay out a couple grand for a new PowerBook every 3 years. I don't reward such banditry, and will by my next computer elsewhere. If Apple had treated me better I'd buy a new PowerBook every 5 years- instead their greed has completely lost me as a customer. No one's stopping you from going to a Service Provider and letting them fix it. You needn't shell out for a new powerbook if you don't want to. Big difference between your motorcycle and your powerbook: it's going to be DECADES before your motorcycle is obsolete. Many many MANY decades. Hell, you'll probably run out of places to buy or find parts before your motorcycle is obsolete. Your PowerBook, on the other hand, has a much shorter life span. If you're good to a computer, and upgrade it, MAYBE you can get a single decade of usefulness out of it, and in many cases that's stretching it. Two big things: I have access to Service Source, and believe me, it's not THAT big of a deal. If you're technical enough to be self-servicing a motorcycle and a ham radio, Service Source isn't going to be a big help to you; all it does is show you how to take the thing apart and put it back together, it doesn't show you how to fix your motherboard with a soldering iron, nor does it give you any information that would allow you to figure it out. Similarly, I'm betting your motorcycle manual doesn't show you how to disassemble the starter, machine new gears/sprockets, and put it back together at least, the manual for my 1963 Ford Falcon doesn't. Comparative to a car or motorcycle, computers ARE throw-away items. You use them until their usefulness runs out, then you buy a new one. This is not unique to Macs; my LC II is about as useful to me today as my TRS-80 was when I bought the LC II; that is, it's not. Motorcycles and cars, however, probably won't be obsoleted in your lifetime OR your children's. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Friday, May 31, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Apple seems to think they'll force me to lay out a couple grand for a new PowerBook every 3 years. I don't reward such banditry, and will by my next computer elsewhere. If Apple had treated me better I'd buy a new PowerBook every 5 years- instead their greed has completely lost me as a customer. LOL, and what PeeCee manufacturer, pray tell, do you expect to treat you differently??? Exactly. I think Dyna will have quite a problem getting hands on Dell or Compaq service manuals. The only Compaq service manuals I find on the internet are sparse, and the guy wants you to give him money to donate to a charity before he'll give you the manuals. He has: Compaq COMPAQ 140 Monitor English Service Manual Compaq COMPAQ 441 (151FS, SM-5515G) Monitor English Service Manual Compaq COMPAQ 472-1 14 Monitor English Service Manual Compaq COMPAQ 524 Monitor English Service Manual That'll go a long way towards fixing nothing Compaq has released in the last dozen years. Laptops in general are bad news to take apart unless you know what you're doing. There's a reason that Apple prefers that iBooks and PowerBooks be mailed in to their facility for repairs (and it's not so they can make money off of you; check out their SEC filings sometime, AppleCare is a service organization). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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I started this and I disagree with the statement bellow, at least for me. I find the exploded view extremely valuable, as well as the detailed take apart instructons in most of the service manuals I have for my computers, especially the laptops. I certainly am not going to spend more than I could to purchase one of my older laptops for (280c/2300c) to have a technican do what I can do on them with the help of the manuals in this discussion. That said, I did get an extremely detailed (in color) instruction on how to replace the Hard Drive in the iBook Clam Shell I wanted to work on, and have decided to pass on the project due to it's complexity and the time involved in getting it done. My daughter will have to learn to live with the 3 Gig drive that is in there and use an external drive for her MP3's. Thanks to all that helped me get access to the information I needed! Tom Two big things: I have access to Service Source, and believe me, it's not THAT big of a deal. If you're technical enough to be self-servicing a motorcycle and a ham radio, Service Source isn't going to be a big help to you; all it does is show you how to take the thing apart and put it back together, it doesn't show you how to fix your motherboard with a soldering iron, nor does it give you any information that would allow you to figure it out. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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The issue of manual availability aside, your statements are very curious to me. Let's face it -- Apple is a hardware company -- they make their money by selling hardware! In a perfect world (for Apple), every day they should be able to increase market share by attracting brand-new customers, and certainly the new offerings and OS X are attracting new people to the platform. I can find no compelling reason to replace my 333mhz iMac desktop machine or upgrade to OSX. But the bulk of Apple sales are to those of us who are already Mac users/owners. I imagine that some of the reasons pertaining to Applecare covering only three years is that (1) certainly Apple would like to see that computer owner come and buy a new machine, but also I imagine Ford would like me to trade in my 5 year old pickup and finance a new one. No thanks- I'll wait a few more years and be able to pay cash. (2) the improvements come with such rapidity, that in three years, the machines currently available are lightyears ahead of the older equipment. In the early days of both motor vehicles and computers this was true. The personal computer is now over a quarter century old and the Mac is now getting close to 20 years old, especially if you count the Lisa. A new iMac won't do e-mail, surf the web, or process words much better than my 3 year old one. I think that unless you are a very casual home user, expecting a computer to service you WELL for five years may now be unrealistic. Yes, it will still work, and can be used, but you'd get so much more value from a new machine Let me get this right- I'm supposed to bin my working 3 year old iMac for a new one at upwards of $1300? Just so I can impress every one with how cl it looks? . Your concluding statement was most curious of all -- because of your own perception of Apple's banditry you'd rather get a Wintel machine next time?!?!? Seems like you'll just be shooting off your own foot. Why would you want to do that to yourself? How do you think subjecting yourself to dealing with a Wintel machine is going to hurt Apple, especially since you weren't planning on spending money on a new machine anyway? Sounds like you're going to inflict far more pain upon yourself. Good luck. I can by a new desktop PC, monitor, and linux distro for $600. Why should I spend $800 more for that fancy new iMac? Especially given that a desktop PC is pretty generic, thusly cheap and easy to maintain... unlike the iMac with it's many proprietary parts. peace, Dyna Michelle --- Michelle K. Wachtel, Apple Product Professional, Inspiration to Information 804/794-6435, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.carbonus.com/23;www.carbonus.com/23/A or A HREF=http://www.4allnaturals.com/23;www.4allnaturals.com/23/A In a message dated 5/31/02 1:24:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've come to consider the availability of servicing information damn near a constitutional right. Without manuals and such my PowerBook will probably be one failure away from the dumpster when the extended warranty expires. Apple will only sell you 3 years warranty, which perhaps says something about the durability of their hardware. I expect at least 5 years use from electronic stuff, and 10 years from motor vehicles. The BMW I rode to work today is 18 years old, and in that time 2 local dealers have gone out of business and the 3rd is useless. Without a manual it would have been binned long ago. I also have a Ten-Tec ham radio transceiver from the early 1980s that came with a very complete manual. It thusly still works fine and will continue to do so for years to come. These items are keepers, while the Pismo seems a throwaway toy by comparison. Apple seems to think they'll force me to lay out a couple grand for a new PowerBook every 3 years. I don't reward such banditry, and will by my next computer elsewhere. If Apple had treated me better I'd buy a new PowerBook every 5 years- instead their greed has completely lost me as a customer. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks |
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YOu have to be a registered Apple tech to get them now as they are pass coded and have been umm for a month or so. These are no for the general public and apple changes the FTP about once a month or so and have pass coded them from public view so unless you are a Apple tech you can no longer get them and if i did know a way to do so i can not tell since any leaks get shut down within 24 hours from this posting thanks James __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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YOu have to be a registered Apple tech to get them now as they are pass coded and have been umm for a month or so. These are no for the general public and apple changes the FTP about once a month or so and have pass coded them from public view so unless you are a Apple tech you can no longer get them and if i did know a way to do so i can not tell since any leaks get shut down within 24 hours from this posting thanks James Not quite. Apple made available the full Service Source CDs commercially available a year or so back for a few hundred bucks the set. They're freely available on ebay and elsewhere. What they were doing was widening the availability of Apple-knowledgeable techs, who did Mac repairs, but were never going to bother to become certified techs (I've seen the exams, they're damn difficult! You really have to be a hardware engineer - Kyle, are you one?). I had a buddy a while back (now back in the US) who was a CS and Elec Eng graduate and a cert tech with a v. strong embedded HW background. He left Apple tech 'cos it was too boring and he preferred surface mounting ICs to see what would happen when he soldered them all together and gave it 240 volts of juice. He also clocked his PB 5300 bus to 40Mhz with a soldering iron, while holding a milk shake in one hand and a hot dog in the other. Not a bad effort. Cheers, RD Remy Davison Contributing Editor/News Editor, Insanely-Great Mac http://www.insanely-great.com mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RD's PowerBook page: http://www.macpowerbook.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Thursday, May 30, 2002, at 12:01 PM, Remy Davison wrote: Not quite. Apple made available the full Service Source CDs commercially available a year or so back for a few hundred bucks the set. They're freely available on ebay and elsewhere. What they were doing was widening the availability of Apple-knowledgeable techs, who did Mac repairs, but were never going to bother to become certified techs (I've seen the exams, they're damn difficult! You really have to be a hardware engineer - Kyle, are you one?). An engineer? Hardly. you just have to know the basics about how electronics work and have a lot of problem solving skills. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Good Grief I only wanted to replace the HD in my daughters Clam Shell iBook with the old one from my Pismo, not start some sort of political war with Apple! Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Remy Davison wrote: What they were doing was widening the availability of Apple-knowledgeable techs, who did Mac repairs, but were never going to bother to become certified techs (I've seen the exams, they're damn difficult! You really have to be a hardware engineer - Kyle, are you one?). Yes, I am. I have full access to all the Manuals via a pasworded entry. -- == Kyle H. Hansen Apple Certified Technician Apple Solution Expert Macintosh Server Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] == -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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David, from what I've heard the older PowerBooks were quite reliable. However, my Pismo has the feel of a cheap toy. It's never been dropped, but the left rear corner of the case is cracked and the IR cover has fallen out. The battery keeps falling out so I've had to tape it in. I motorcycle too, but usually not with my PowerBook. It's too heavy to carry in my courier bag and takes up way too much space. I doubt if it would long survive the vibration of my BMWs, never mind the Buell. I've come to consider the availability of servicing information damn near a constitutional right. Without manuals and such my PowerBook will probably be one failure away from the dumpster when the extended warranty expires. Apple will only sell you 3 years warranty, which perhaps says something about the durability of their hardware. I expect at least 5 years use from electronic stuff, and 10 years from motor vehicles. The BMW I rode to work today is 18 years old, and in that time 2 local dealers have gone out of business and the 3rd is useless. Without a manual it would have been binned long ago. I also have a Ten-Tec ham radio transceiver from the early 1980s that came with a very complete manual. It thusly still works fine and will continue to do so for years to come. These items are keepers, while the Pismo seems a throwaway toy by comparison. Apple seems to think they'll force me to lay out a couple grand for a new PowerBook every 3 years. I don't reward such banditry, and will by my next computer elsewhere. If Apple had treated me better I'd buy a new PowerBook every 5 years- instead their greed has completely lost me as a customer. peace, Dyna This mentality is amazing to me. Having owned HUNDREDS of Powerbooks (I deal in them), and having done some rather exotic activities with them (ever try a motorcycle wreck with a powerbook on your back?), I BEG to disagree with you. Aside from the Powerbook 5300 series, I've found Powerbooks to be more reliable than ANY PC laptop I've dealt with. Yes they are jealous about information--but you have to understand that information is valuable. Apple doesn't like little guys like me who figure out supplier parts, and buy them direct--because that's how they protect their market. But it's not wrong or illegal, and you are promoting communistic mentalities to argue that they MUST give you the information you want just because you want it. Even though I make my money from the information I can peel from Apple, I totally disagree with your philosophy. Thanks, David -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Dear Dyna, I just want to say that I am truly sorry about your PowerBook experience. I have had my Lombard four years now and with the exception of having to replace a hard disk in 2000(a problem I brought on myself), I haven't had any problems whatsoever. If I felt that apple was just trying to get bucks out of me with no concern for my well being as a customer,and no support for the current apple products I own, I would probably feel the same way you do. As a matter of fact, I'm waiting to see how they handle this ati rage video card/OSX issue. It will speak volumes to me on the kind of company apple is and be a factor in wether I continue with my apple experience or not. Good luck in the future with your computing needs, whoever you end up with. MR --- Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, from what I've heard the older PowerBooks were quite reliable. However, my Pismo has the feel of a cheap toy. It's never been dropped, but the left rear corner of the case is cracked and the IR cover has fallen out. The battery keeps falling out so I've had to tape it in. I motorcycle too, but usually not with my PowerBook. It's too heavy to carry in my courier bag and takes up way too much space. I doubt if it would long survive the vibration of my BMWs, never mind the Buell. I've come to consider the availability of servicing information damn near a constitutional right. Without manuals and such my PowerBook will probably be one failure away from the dumpster when the extended warranty expires. Apple will only sell you 3 years warranty, which perhaps says something about the durability of their hardware. I expect at least 5 years use from electronic stuff, and 10 years from motor vehicles. The BMW I rode to work today is 18 years old, and in that time 2 local dealers have gone out of business and the 3rd is useless. Without a manual it would have been binned long ago. I also have a Ten-Tec ham radio transceiver from the early 1980s that came with a very complete manual. It thusly still works fine and will continue to do so for years to come. These items are keepers, while the Pismo seems a throwaway toy by comparison. Apple seems to think they'll force me to lay out a couple grand for a new PowerBook every 3 years. I don't reward such banditry, and will by my next computer elsewhere. If Apple had treated me better I'd buy a new PowerBook every 5 years- instead their greed has completely lost me as a customer. peace, Dyna This mentality is amazing to me. Having owned HUNDREDS of Powerbooks (I deal in them), and having done some rather exotic activities with them (ever try a motorcycle wreck with a powerbook on your back?), I BEG to disagree with you. Aside from the Powerbook 5300 series, I've found Powerbooks to be more reliable than ANY PC laptop I've dealt with. Yes they are jealous about information--but you have to understand that information is valuable. Apple doesn't like little guys like me who figure out supplier parts, and buy them direct--because that's how they protect their market. But it's not wrong or illegal, and you are promoting communistic mentalities to argue that they MUST give you the information you want just because you want it. Even though I make my money from the information I can peel from Apple, I totally disagree with your philosophy. Thanks, David -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:
