Re: ibook G3 which linux?

[Clark Martin]

On 1/21/10 11:28 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:

openSUSE still is releasing for PowerPC, but I'm not sure on the
hardware support of G3-class machines. It won't break anything to try
it... :)


Actually, I had probably the easiest time installing a Linux with SUSE 
on a B&W G3.  But I've just not yet gotten around to trying it out much.


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Re: shut down pop-up

[gifutiger]

Greetings

You might try opening a terminal window and log in as super user, then
enter "kill all -9"
which should terminate all process's.

Harry



On Jan 21, 11:25 am, User  wrote:
> Hi group,
> How do I get rid of the "do you really want to shut down?" pop-up?
> Thanks, Roman

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Dennis Myhand]

Bruce Johnson wrote:



WOWZA, thats a large pile o'Urban legendosity. Uhh, no. A Lack of 
drivers for the SMC (which is the power control system for the laptop) 
merely means that yoiu get the fans on, and poor battery performance.


But even on that note, you're wrong, because the Asus One netbook has 
the same SMC power management and lo and behold Suse works it quite well.




Yeah, I am tempted to try whatever is being smoked by this person. 
Debian works great, and so does Slack, for those of us who are anti-RPM 
based distros.  Long Live The Revolution!


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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bill Connelly]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


*LOL*
Then don't try the Control-Option-Command-F12 combination...



Doesn't work on my Apple Al KB ...

as per David Pogue ...

control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down (with no Dialogue Box)

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:34 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


Bruce Johnson wrote:
WOWZA, thats a large pile o'Urban legendosity. Uhh, no. A Lack of  
drivers for the SMC (which is the power control system for the  
laptop) merely means that yoiu get the fans on, and poor battery  
performance.
But even on that note, you're wrong, because the Asus One netbook  
has the same SMC power management and lo and behold Suse works it  
quite well.


Yeah, I am tempted to try whatever is being smoked by this person.  
Debian works great, and so does Slack, for those of us who are anti- 
RPM based distros.  Long Live The Revolution!


If you guys want to meet the source of my info get on IRC.

server: irc.freenode.net
room/channel: ##apple or ##mac (hes in both)

His name is Branes btw.

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


*LOL*
Then don't try the Control-Option-Command-F12 combination...



Doesn't work on my Apple Al KB ...

as per David Pogue ...

control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down (with no Dialogue  
Box)


Doesn't work on a windows keyboard either...

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Ted Treen]

From: Kasey Smith 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 22 January, 2010 13:40:55
Subject: Re: shut down pop-up


On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
>>>
>>> *LOL*
>>> Then don't try the Control-Option-Command-F12 combination...
>>>
>
> Doesn't work on my Apple Al KB ...
>
> as per David Pogue ...
>
> control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down (with no Dialogue  
> Box)

Doesn't work on a windows keyboard either...

Yet it works on our (white) keyboard on a G5, Black Pro keyboard on a G4, and 
AL keyboard on a Mac Pro...

Just tried it on each...

Ted

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Ted Treen]

Sorry, I came late to this thread.

Original question - "Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?"

Multiple answer(s):

1) Wife won't let me buy a Mac Pro - she thinks things like housing, food etc 
are a priority.

2) Even if wife were in agreement with idea, bank manager wouldn't be.

3) Using Office2008 (of necessity) and Adobe CS3 under Leopard, it works as 
well as it ever did. Sure, the Mac Pro would be faster, but that doesn't mean 
my dual 2.0 G5 has suddenly slowed down overnight. Unnecessary expenditure of 
£2,000+ would not be a great idea right now, and any extra speed is not a 
viable return on my spending cash I don't quite have.

To enable my working from home when my employers upgrade to CS5 on its 
anticipated release later this year, I might have to rethink. (Before I get 
flamed, Adobe permit activation on two machines if not used simultaneously, and 
I'm never in the office AND at home at the same time). If this situation DOES 
arise, as it's in my employer's interests for me to have a working from home 
capability, I shall see what I can do to make them assist in the upgrade. (I'm 
2.5hrs from work, so an extra trip in at weekends is not lightly undertaken).

Until that happens, why would I need to upgrade?

I agree that YMMV

Ted

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Ted Treen wrote:




From: Kasey Smith 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 22 January, 2010 13:40:55
Subject: Re: shut down pop-up


On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
>>>
>>> *LOL*
>>> Then don't try the Control-Option-Command-F12 combination...
>>>
>
> Doesn't work on my Apple Al KB ...
>
> as per David Pogue ...
>
> control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down (with no Dialogue
> Box)

Doesn't work on a windows keyboard either...

Yet it works on our (white) keyboard on a G5, Black Pro keyboard on  
a G4, and AL keyboard on a Mac Pro...


Just tried it on each...

Ted


Hm, i can't get it to work at all. Ill have to check with the black  
Pro Kryboard plugged into the iMac...




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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Norton, Robert L.]

You asked:

"So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?"

I have been using Macs since the first one came out in the early 80s, used 
Apple II's before that, plus DOS, Windows in all its incarnations, and 
mainframes (ugh) before them in the '60s and 70's.

I am stuck using a PPC Mac because I have written three textbooks, each of 
about 900 pp, and these are done in Pagemaker 7.0 that only runs in Classic.  
The G4 running 10.4.x is the latest Mac that will run Classic.  I have several 
of these, one active and the others in reserve to replace the active one as 
they die, (the one I bought new in 2002 has done so already).

The books must be updated to new editions every 3-4 years.  The prospect of 
redoing them in INDesign (which, IMHO, is inferior to PM in many ways) is 
untenable.  I am too old to face that amount of work.  PM7 on Windows is 
inferior to the Mac version for professional typesetting purposes in my 
opinion.  So here I sit in front of a G4 MDD.

I am not a Luddite, however, I also have a new Mac Powerbook 17 running Snow 
Leopard with Win XP running in Parallels on it as well.  Several Wintel 
machines running XP, Vista, and Win7 round out the stable.   (I also write 
commercial code in VB.Net on the PC platforms).

Nevertheless, the G4 Mirror Drive Door models are very good machines, with 
respectable performance compared to the latest models, especially the later MDD 
versions with 1.42 GHz Dual Processors, 2 gig of RAM, high-end video cards, 
Firewire 800, etc.

I also find OSX 10.4.x very satisfactory even compared to Snow Leopard (which 
admittedly has more bells and whistles).

Good luck with all your Power PC machines out there.  Keep them going.

Prof. N.




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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Paul Kemner]

On the subject of security, how likely do you think it is that someone will
bother to take the time to write malware to attack G3's and G4's running
Tiger?

It's hard to believe that someone would pay the big bucks for a new mac
laptop, wipe the HD, and install Ubuntu! Buying a new PC laptop, dumping
windows, and installing some version of linux, yes.

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MacMini G4 Cannot get out of SAFE mode

[Joss]

My MacMini suddenly started to boot only into SAFE mode.

1) Computer: Mac Mini - Processor: 1.33 Ghz (PowerPC G4)
2) Operating System: OS X 10.5.8
3) Memory: 1GB DDR SDRAM
4) 3rd party Peripherals have been working fine for over a year:
Logitech Optical Mouse, MyBook 1 Terabyte. HP Officejet Pro L7680
working find since July 2009,
5) Recently I added a USB sound card for audio and video to plug in
mike and headphones which I used once to try out Skype. It worked but
I haven't used it since.
6) 26.8 GB available on Boot Drive.
7) no screenshots applicable
8) The only thing I've tried is rebooting several times, unplugged the
usb sound card.
9) The only change was the plugging in of the usb sound card to try
out Skype, which worked. It was shortly after this (probably the next
day) that I noticed that there was no sound which was about the same
time I noticed that the system booted into SAFE mode.

About a month ago - well before the sound stopped and SAFE mode
booting started (which was about three days ago), I lost internet
access and couldn't get it back until I unplugged the router and have
been online since using only my modem. I know Mac is not vulnerable to
viruses however I've been concerned about some odd activity.
Frequently I return to the computer and it appears as though specific
functions have occurred in my absence as though there's been an
attempt to access resources. For example: Windows are open that
weren't open when I left. (This is particularly worrisome because the
security kicks in after 15 minutes of inactivity and requires the
password to permit use. How could these windows be opened while access
was blocked?) Or while away from the computer I hear a sound which
normally only happens if I press enter before typing in my password.
This indicates to me that something (or someone) has gained access to
my computer because I'm not using the router. The problem with the
router was very wierd because it was from one minute to the next.
Everything was working fine and then suddenly I had no access and
could no longer get access using the router.

MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION
I'm wondering if it could be something from my ISP (Bell Internet -
formerly called Sympatico) causing this. Internet access has been
interrupted by faulty Bell Telephone hardware in the basement of the
apt building several times over the past couple of years. Once I was
told it was because I didn't have high speed internet (I had medium
speed which was less expensive), so I upgraded to the more expensive
package - and haven't noticed a big difference in spite of the higher
cost, and in that case as in every other situation so far, the cause
of the access interruption had nothing to do with the speed but was
caused by faulty Bell hardware external to my apartment. On the next
occasion I was told it was because my (old D-link) router was
defective, however, that turned out to be incorrect, because after
purchasing and installing a new D-link router the problem remained and
was only fixed when a Bell technician found the actual problem in the
basement in their equipment.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?Winblowz connection

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Paul Kemner  wrote:

> On the subject of security, how likely do you think it is that someone will
> bother to take the time to write malware to attack G3's and G4's running
> Tiger?
>
> It's hard to believe that someone would pay the big bucks for a new mac
> laptop, wipe the HD, and install Ubuntu! Buying a new PC laptop, dumping
> windows, and installing some version of linux, yes.
>
> --
>

How can we explain people buying a new Intel lapper and installing
WinBlowz?  overwhelming investment in Windows requiring Adobe Creative
Suite? Addiction to pain? Woeful ignorance. Failure of the Apple store to
communicate the pleasure of OS X? Insanity in the family?

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Re: MacMini G4 Cannot get out of SAFE mode

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Joss wrote:


MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION
I'm wondering if it could be something from my ISP (Bell Internet -
formerly called Sympatico) causing this. Internet access has been
interrupted by faulty Bell Telephone hardware in the basement of the
apt building several times over the past couple of years.


I can 100% say this is NOT the case.


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Re: MacMini G4 Cannot get out of SAFE mode

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Joss wrote:


My MacMini suddenly started to boot only into SAFE mode.

1) Computer: Mac Mini - Processor: 1.33 Ghz (PowerPC G4)
2) Operating System: OS X 10.5.8
3) Memory: 1GB DDR SDRAM
4) 3rd party Peripherals have been working fine for over a year:
Logitech Optical Mouse, MyBook 1 Terabyte. HP Officejet Pro L7680
working find since July 2009,
5) Recently I added a USB sound card for audio and video to plug in
mike and headphones which I used once to try out Skype. It worked but
I haven't used it since.
6) 26.8 GB available on Boot Drive.
7) no screenshots applicable
8) The only thing I've tried is rebooting several times, unplugged the
usb sound card.
9) The only change was the plugging in of the usb sound card to try
out Skype, which worked. It was shortly after this (probably the next
day) that I noticed that there was no sound which was about the same
time I noticed that the system booted into SAFE mode.


It's entirely UNlikely that your computer has been hacked. No one will  
hack you over a modem connection. It's far more likely that your  
system is messed up.


In safe mode, look in your startup items, remove any you don't use by  
clicking on the '-' icon.


Since it's forcing a safe boot something is screwed up on a system  
level, so my first fix would be to do an re-install of the combo  
10.5.8 updater. Keep the combo updater about because if that doesn't  
work, the next suggestion is an Archive&Install from your 10.5 disk,  
followed by applying the combo updater.






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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Ted Treen wrote:




Doesn't work on my Apple Al KB ...

as per David Pogue ...

control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down (with no Dialogue
Box)


Doesn't work on a windows keyboard either...

Yet it works on our (white) keyboard on a G5, Black Pro keyboard on  
a G4, and AL keyboard on a Mac Pro...


Just tried it on each...


If you're using the AL keyboard with a system that did not originally  
ship with one, there are a number of things that don't work, for  
instance, holding down a key at startup to change the mac's behavior,  
like the C or S or V keys...I keep an old imac kb laying about and  
just plug it into the AL keyboard for those times when I need to start  
up this way. Drove me mad until I figured it out...


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Cache Failure?

[Jonas Ulrich]

So someone gave me a single 533 digital audio g4 yesterday. I successfully
put a 733 quicksilver processor in it, and then decided to overclock it to
800MHZ. I "successfully" did this, except that when 0s9 starts up it says
that the build in memory test detected a problem with the cache memory and
to contact apple support. I zapped the pram, reinstalled os9. Nothing
worked, i can still use the computer though and it recognizes it as an
800MHZ G4 with 256kb level 2 cache. Thanks in advance!

-Jonas

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:08 AM, gifutiger wrote:


Greetings

You might try opening a terminal window and log in as super user, then
enter "kill all -9"
which should terminate all process's.


no it doesn't:

dbdev2:~ johnson$ sudo -s
Password:
bash-3.2# kill all -9
bash: kill: all: arguments must be process or job IDs
bash: kill: (-9) - No such process
bash-3.2#

The kill command HAS to have a process ID explicitly listed.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[mlitwin3797]

I have two older Macs with Panther and Tiger on them. I have a 
Quicksilver with Leopard. I plan on holding onto them. They all work well. I 
really like Apples. I only have the Quicksilver out though as there isn't 
room to put three desk tops on my desk. I have a new Dell with Windows 7 on 
my desk as well. The new Apples do not fit my budget.
Before I bought the new Dell, I spent one month checking out Apples. 
There were no good deals anywhere and I am retired.
I bought the Dell with all new technology, complete with lcd monitor, 
multi-function printer, mouse and keyboard for $599.
For that same price I could buy a square box called a Mac Mini with nothing 
else.
I bought the Dell and went on the internet for a used Quicksilver. I 
upgraded it and it is great. If Apple wants to sell more computers, they are 
going to have to realize that they will have to offer better deals. The 
competition is stiff. I Really wanted to  buy a new Apple but didn't want 
what I could afford and couldn't afford what I wanted. There are a lot of 
people like me out there.
A week ago my husband and I went to the Apple store to check new 
computers, desktop and laptops. If I could afford it ,I thought it might be 
interesting to add a Macintel to my collection.  It was depressing to 
discover that I Still can only afford the Macmini, with nothing else. Back 
to the internet for a used one-


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To: 
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?


Andreas writes,

Intel-Mac...>


MAYBE SOMEDAY I MIGHT buy one of those damned Macintels, but I don't know 
that YET. Please don't tell me what I'll be doing in the future, OK?


Dollars, right?) I cannot really see the fuzz about it. You'll get a small 
Mac with a better speed and a new and supported operating system. You can 
continue to use whatever peripherials you may have, like the monitor and 
the USB keyboard and mouse.>


According to the currency converter in my Quicksilver's Dashboard, 500 
Euro = 706.778 USD, which is WAY OVER my budget for anything that isn't 
essential, such as computers I don't need, such as Macintels.


bigger hard drive, you'll get close to 500 bucks too.>


I do not need a processor upgrade. My Power Macs (G4 1.5 GHz Mini, G4 867 
Quicksilver and G3/800 iBook) are also already maxed on RAM. They all make 
me happy exactly the way they are. I only need a couple of LITTLE stuffs 
at the moment (two items I can get for $0-$30 depending on what my 
boyfriend turns up), and once I get 'em I'll be done for YEARS AND YEARS.


want to keep your Power Mac anyway.>


Geez! I KNOW what I need for my own computing, and that is PPC Macs 
running Tiger and lower, which I HAVE and LOVE, thankyouverymuch! Now will 
you please stop trolling about the goddamn future? Right now I don't GIVE 
a donkey's ass about the freakin' future!


Listers in general -- I know, I'm kind of testy today, but I'm REALLY sick 
and tired of this push push push from Bleeding Edge people! I promise from 
now on I'll just ignore this Andreas person and all the other Bleeding 
Edgers.


~Yersinia.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[mlitwin3797]

 I agree with your wife.


From: Ted Treen 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:27 AM
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Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?


Sorry, I came late to this thread.

Original question - "Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?"

Multiple answer(s):

1) Wife won't let me buy a Mac Pro - she thinks things like housing, food etc 
are a priority.

2) Even if wife were in agreement with idea, bank manager wouldn't be.

3) Using Office2008 (of necessity) and Adobe CS3 under Leopard, it works as 
well as it ever did. Sure, the Mac Pro would be faster, but that doesn't mean 
my dual 2.0 G5 has suddenly slowed down overnight. Unnecessary expenditure of 
£2,000+ would not be a great idea right now, and any extra speed is not a 
viable return on my spending cash I don't quite have.

To enable my working from home when my employers upgrade to CS5 on its 
anticipated release later this year, I might have to rethink. (Before I get 
flamed, Adobe permit activation on two machines if not used simultaneously, and 
I'm never in the office AND at home at the same time). If this situation DOES 
arise, as it's in my employer's interests for me to have a working from home 
capability, I shall see what I can do to make them assist in the upgrade. (I'm 
2.5hrs from work, so an extra trip in at weekends is not lightly undertaken).

Until that happens, why would I need to upgrade?

I agree that YMMV

Ted








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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[mlitwin3797]

 I tried all three and find my preference for Os is Apple, Windows and 
Linux, in that order. perhaps I am just more used to the other two. I know 
Linux is great for old Windows computers. I didn't realize that it was just as 
good for Apples.. 


From: Kasey Smith 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:32 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?




On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:




  On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:




On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


  _But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did -and 
do-
  with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and to see 
if I
  could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.


Don't put linux on an intel mac btw... it could kill it.


  WTF?


  Maybe it'll stop working in depression and despair from being saddled from 
such a poor imitation of OS X, but kill it, like in "render non functional, 
bricked, pinin' for the fjords" killed? No way.


  You can go a long way towards bricking your system doing stupid low-level 
computer tricks if you don't know what you're doing, but it's always 
recoverable.


  -- 
  Bruce Johnson
  University of Arizona
  College of Pharmacy
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  Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs


I AM NOT kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage part of the 
SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths in the CPU, eventually 
boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.



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Re: shut down pop-up

[John Callahan]

I thought it is better(according to people on this list) to leave  
your Mac running! This eliminates "pop up" worries.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[mlitwin3797]

I'm not cheap. I'm retired. please let me know where I can find an 
Apple for almost free.


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Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

Previously, at 3:31  pm -0500 1/21/10,  
wrote:

 Mac User #330250  wrote:

=
So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?


because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides, 
what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?




I'm so cheap I wait until they're almost free!

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[roger d]

i see nothing wrong with buying used ppc mac's i just bought dual core  
g5 and i love it

On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, mlitwin3797 wrote:

   I'm not cheap. I'm retired. please let me know where I can find  
an Apple for almost free.


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Previously, at 3:31  pm -0500 1/21/10,  
 wrote:

 Mac User #330250  wrote:

=
So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?


because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years.  
Besides, what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?




I'm so cheap I wait until they're almost free!

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Paul Twiddy]

What kind do you want? I have some old ones in the vault.

Paul Twiddy
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On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, mlitwin3797 wrote:

>I'm not cheap. I'm retired. please let me know where I can find an Apple 
> for almost free.
> 
> --
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> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:29 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
> 
>> Previously, at 3:31  pm -0500 1/21/10,  wrote:
>>>  Mac User #330250  wrote:
>>> 
>>> =
>>> So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides, 
>>> what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm so cheap I wait until they're almost free!
>> 
>> P.
>> -- 
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>> indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity. --George Bernard Shaw
>> 
> 
> 
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.cdr .dmg. .img ?

[Cliff Rediger]

I'm creating a DVD in iDVD and see that DiscUtilities provides a
"DVD/CD Master" option. That sounds like just what I want.
That option produces a .cdr file.
.cdr apparently has something to do with Correl Draw ?

Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone could comment on the comparison
between these three file formats: .cdr  .dmg. .img ?

I'd like to feel a little more confident before taking all the time to
create images.

Thank you
Cliff

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Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote:


I'm creating a DVD in iDVD and see that DiscUtilities provides a
"DVD/CD Master" option. That sounds like just what I want.
That option produces a .cdr file.
.cdr apparently has something to do with Correl Draw ?



No. .cdr is the file extension ALSO used by Corel Draw but in this  
case it stands for 'Compact Disc Recording' and is the master file you  
would send, for example, to a CD pressing plant to have them press  
disks from your master.



Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone could comment on the comparison
between these three file formats: .cdr  .dmg. .img ?




.cdr is as above, a standard CD or DVD image for production purposes.

.dmg is Apple's disk image format, which has a wide range of options:  
read-only, read-write, sparse image, encrypted, etc etc. It's not  
readable on Windows systems without utilities like MacDrive.


.img is interchangeable with .iso which, as the name implies, is an  
ISO standard optical disk image format; I believe .img is in wide  
usage from some Windows software. This is the most widely used image  
format, but it is restricted to ISO-9660 file systems. (and some  
extensions therof, like Joliet)




Disk Utility can work with and produce all three, which you use is  
determined by your eventual output needs.


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500 MHz G4 with PCI-ATA card for large drives - drives have disappeared

[sharonopolis]

I was hoping someone could help me troubleshoot my 500 MHz G4 running
OS 10.3 (not sure if it's a Sawtooth, Gigabit Ethernet, or Digital
Audio). It normally boots off of a 8 GB HD and has 2 500 GB HDs
connected by way of a PCI-slot ATA card. I think the card is the
Sonnet Tempo but it might be a SIIG card. I bought it years ago and
unfortunately cannot find any documentation on what it is!

The problem is that several days ago I could no longer access the 500
GB drives from the network, and when I went to the G4 to check, the
drive icons for all partitions of these drives were missing. Disk
Utility can't see them either. I even went so far as to install a
bootable OS 10.3 on a partition less than 128GB when I set up the
system, and I can't get the bootloader to realize it has this option.
The computer boots up fine from the original 8GB drive, although it
now seems to become unstable and freeze within 2-16 hours after
startup.

These two 500 GB drives are important to me as they are backup for the
rest of my computers. I can always take them out and rescue the data,
but I'd really like to get the backup system (network backups with
SuperDuper) working again. I think it unlikely that the HDs failed at
the same time, so I first suspect the card, the PCI slot, and then the
motherboard. I've jiggled all the connections on the card and no dice.
I'd like to try it in a different PCI slot (since there are 3 others)
but I don't remember where to grab and how much it's ok to pull to get
the card back out. Any advice?

Thanks.

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Re: shut down pop-up

[John Musbach]

On 1/22/10, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:08 AM, gifutiger wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> You might try opening a terminal window and log in as super user, then
>> enter "kill all -9"
>> which should terminate all process's.
>
> no it doesn't:
>
> dbdev2:~ johnson$ sudo -s
> Password:
> bash-3.2# kill all -9
> bash: kill: all: arguments must be process or job IDs
> bash: kill: (-9) - No such process
> bash-3.2#
>
> The kill command HAS to have a process ID explicitly listed.

"sudo killall * -s9" might work though, I haven't tried it myself for
obvious reasons

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Re: shut down pop-up

[John Musbach]

On 1/22/10, John Musbach  wrote:
> "sudo killall * -s9" might work though, I haven't tried it myself for
> obvious reasons
>

er, I think it has to be "sudo killall -r* -s9" or "sudo killall -r -s9 *"

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Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?

[John Musbach]

On 1/22/10, Cliff Rediger  wrote:
>
> Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone could comment on the comparison
> between these three file formats: .cdr  .dmg. .img ?

IIRC, *.cdr is equivilent to *.iso it's just that in all their wisdom
apple decided to use the *.cdr extension for iso images produced by
disk utility rather than the *.iso standard.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:"===( )8>" 
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> Andreas writes,
> 
>  Intel-Mac...>
> 
> MAYBE SOMEDAY I MIGHT buy one of those damned Macintels, but I don't
> know that YET. Please don't tell me what I'll be doing in the future, OK?

I'm sorry. I did not want to upset you or anybody else. So please accept my 
appology.

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:brettallica 
To:  "G-Group" 

> What fun is life without a little novelty/frivolity? :-)

I totally agree! It was such fun to make the heart of this old G3 B&W beat 
again. And I loved to see how my other Macs keep runnig, to install and try 
out old and new operating systems (I actually bought Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar, 
10.3 Panther with Mac OS 9.2.2, 10.4 Tiger and 10.5 Leopard -- the Leopard is 
the family edition).

I also liked to get Gentoo Linux running on my Dual-1.0 GHz MDD. This MDD is 
now upgraded with a Dual-1.42 GHz processor card from a FW800 and it is 
running 10.5 Leopard and some graphics applications at my sisters: she 
actually uses it for real work.

In the end the cleaning it, putting it all together again and making it 
actually work again was the best part.

To be honest, now that I have all these Macs I don't know what to do with 
them. I only use the 2.0 GHz Dual Core G5, sometimes with Leopard and 
sometimes with 64-bit Gentoo Linux; I use the Dual-800 G4 Quicksilver very 
seldom, but the Gigabit Ethernet with the 1.4 GHz processor and the AGP 
Graphics with the original 400 MHz CPU are just sitting around. The G3 B&W 
with 350 MHz is now my workhorse at the office.

So at least some of them keep doing something useful.

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Freitag 22 Januar 2010N
From:"mlitwin3797" 
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>  I tried all three and find my preference for Os is Apple, Windows and
>  Linux, in that order. perhaps I am just more used to the other two. I know
>  Linux is great for old Windows computers. I didn't realize that it was
>  just as good for Apples..

A good friend of mine once stated, that one always uses what one is used to. 
(That might be the reason for so many companies giving away their software as 
relatively cheap "student editions" and for sponsoring school computers. They 
hope, that people will continue to use what they have gotten used to...)

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Da'Birdman]

On Jan 21, 2:08 pm, "Mac User #330250"  wrote:
> Hello fellows of the G-Group!
>
> . . . (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?)
>
> . . . So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?
>
> . . .  So: why bother with Gs?
> . . .  So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?
>
> Cheers,
> Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250 (and: Linux User #330250, Windows User #330250)

I've seen a lot of good, well thought-out replies on this: "They work
well for my needs," "It's what I can afford," or even, perhaps,
"They're fun to upgrade and play with." (Obviously, I'm paraphrasing
here.)  But, no one has asked the obvious question, "Why would anyone
join a group dedicated to Power PC G machines and ask why you are
still using them?"  Duh!  If you didn't have a reason, wouldn't you
just move on to a Mac Mini (I own two, but still love my Power PC's)
or an iMac and leave this group?  I'm not trying to flame on here, but
I just think it's odd that a G-List member would question the reasons
for owning and working on the very kinds of machines the list is
dedicated to.  I mean, I wonder why there are people still working
with System 6, but obviously they have their own reasons.  I wouldn't
join the group and then question why they are doing it.  It just seems
a bit odd to me.  Does it seem strange to anyone else?

Scott Birdwell
DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies
Houston TX
www.defalcos.com

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Freitag 22 Januar 2010N
From:Paul Kemner 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

> On the subject of security, how likely do you think it is that someone will
> bother to take the time to write malware to attack G3's and G4's running
> Tiger?

I agree that the propability for such to happen is very low.
Yet some security flaws are very trivial and -relatively- OS independant, like 
Java security issues and older browsers JavaScript implementations. That could 
make even an old Mac running Mac OS X Tiger relatively vulnerable.

But right now, there is no such security issue I've heard of.

> It's hard to believe that someone would pay the big bucks for a new mac
> laptop, wipe the HD, and install Ubuntu! Buying a new PC laptop, dumping
> windows, and installing some version of linux, yes.

Well, there are some crazy people around (Me!)
I've installed Linux on a Power Mac G5. I estimate only very few people do 
that. Besides, it is not well supported in Linux. (I have a lot of trouble 
with the graphics card. If I get some graphics out of it it's always 
unaccelerated = very slow.)

BTW if you wipe the HD and install Ubuntu or Windows on it you're really 
either too rich (so you can affort it) or totally fucked up. But installing it 
side by side with Mac OS X might be a good idea.

Cheers,
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Re: 500 MHz G4 with PCI-ATA card for large drives - drives have disappeared

[Clark Martin]

On 1/22/10 11:10 AM, sharonopolis wrote:

I was hoping someone could help me troubleshoot my 500 MHz G4 running
OS 10.3 (not sure if it's a Sawtooth, Gigabit Ethernet, or Digital
Audio). It normally boots off of a 8 GB HD and has 2 500 GB HDs
connected by way of a PCI-slot ATA card. I think the card is the
Sonnet Tempo but it might be a SIIG card. I bought it years ago and
unfortunately cannot find any documentation on what it is!

The problem is that several days ago I could no longer access the 500
GB drives from the network, and when I went to the G4 to check, the
drive icons for all partitions of these drives were missing. Disk
Utility can't see them either. I even went so far as to install a
bootable OS 10.3 on a partition less than 128GB when I set up the
system, and I can't get the bootloader to realize it has this option.
The computer boots up fine from the original 8GB drive, although it
now seems to become unstable and freeze within 2-16 hours after
startup.

These two 500 GB drives are important to me as they are backup for the
rest of my computers. I can always take them out and rescue the data,
but I'd really like to get the backup system (network backups with
SuperDuper) working again. I think it unlikely that the HDs failed at
the same time, so I first suspect the card, the PCI slot, and then the
motherboard. I've jiggled all the connections on the card and no dice.
I'd like to try it in a different PCI slot (since there are 3 others)
but I don't remember where to grab and how much it's ok to pull to get
the card back out. Any advice?


For starters run System Profiler (Apple Menu - About This Mac - More 
Info...) and check under PCI Cards.  If the card isn't showing up then 
there is something wrong with it.


Also try disconnecting one drive at a time (with the power off) and see 
if the other shows up.


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Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Freitag 22 Januar 2010N
From:"Da'Birdman" 
To:  "G-Group" 

> I've seen a lot of good, well thought-out replies on this: "They work
> well for my needs," "It's what I can afford," or even, perhaps,
> "They're fun to upgrade and play with." (Obviously, I'm paraphrasing
> here.)  But, no one has asked the obvious question, "Why would anyone
> join a group dedicated to Power PC G machines and ask why you are
> still using them?"  Duh!  If you didn't have a reason, wouldn't you
> just move on to a Mac Mini (I own two, but still love my Power PC's)
> or an iMac and leave this group?  I'm not trying to flame on here, but
> I just think it's odd that a G-List member would question the reasons
> for owning and working on the very kinds of machines the list is
> dedicated to.  I mean, I wonder why there are people still working
> with System 6, but obviously they have their own reasons.  I wouldn't
> join the group and then question why they are doing it.  It just seems
> a bit odd to me.  Does it seem strange to anyone else?

Would it have made sense to ask this question in another group?
Would, for example, the Intel-Group have answers to such a question?

To explain myself:
1) I am not a native speaker, so the language barrier may be an issue.

2) I started using Macs of any kind about two years ago. So my knowledge of 
Macs is very new to me, but "old" (in lack of a better word I cannot cum up 
with right now) to others.

3) I recently got some older Power Macs, got infected by their design and them 
being different, e.g. NOT Windows and NOT Intel.

4) I come from a Linux background. Updates come regularly and Linux can be 
used on old machines as well as on new machines. But the point is, as long as 
you go with supported distros and supported open source software projects, 
you'll always recieve updates and security fixes.

5) I've just finished installing Mac OS X and I'm working with it a little bit 
now. I like Mac OS X and in my oppinion starting with Mac OS X 10.3 Panther it 
is really a great and reliably operating system.

6) Now I'm looking at it -- with the Linux background -- and come to see that 
Panther really isn't safe anymore. And that is not the worst. If I use 
Panther, I cannot use a lot of free software that I would like to use (like 
Firefox, VLC, OpenOffice, and so on). What good is an operating system without 
applications?

7) A lot of people replied that they are using old software that runs quite 
happily on their Power Macs (and not at all on Intel-Macs). Well, my situation 
is different since I don't have and never had older Mac software.

8) And last but not least -- I wanted to ask you G-users what you are using 
your Power Macs for. And if you don't experience the same difficulties 
regarding software as I do.

No? Then I'm sorry. Maybe it is the language, or I'm just crazy.

Either way I want to thank you all for your participation and your time. I 
really appreciate it. I've read a lot about people using Macs since decades 
and running their old but still functional software on them. I've read that 
people would like newer Macs but the money issue stand between wanting and 
getting. And I've read that I shouldn't tell people what the are gonna do or 
not do (for which I still feel responsible and I'd like to apologise).


I hope that this is understandable.
Thanks,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[John Niven]

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Da'Birdman  wrote:
"Why would anyone join a group dedicated to Power PC G machines and ask why you 
are still using them?"

Ha Ha!

Always trust a Texan NOT to trust anybody. I think your answer is the huge 
number of replies it generated.

Personally I think it's a fair question. These lists start with the subject 
matter being the latest hot Apple product. Inevitably as time goes on the 
equipment is superseded and so, if you are an owner, the question of what to do 
with the old tech arises. Unfortunately it is our sad duty to call the end and 
consign them to the landfill (or the bottom of the closet).

Reading between the lines a lot of the responders have multiple Macs and they 
cannot be using them all at the same time. I am one of them. I have one in many 
of the rooms of my home, all networked, but mostly turned off, because they are 
"still useful".

However, I've been thinking recently of a 13" MacBook Pro, to replace my 12" AL 
PowerBook (which is one of two Macs I have bought new). I don't use a mobile as 
much as I did but I suspect that once I have bought a new one, all my old Macs 
will become redundant (except my Quadra 950, and an Xserve or two :-).

John (Sugar Land, Texas)


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Dan]

At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:


Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general.


I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for 
PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer 
supporting Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm thinking 
that's just general rumour or something.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Bequette Jeff]

Jeff Bequette
jbeque...@tconl.com


Bought my last dual g5/1.8 (June 04), six years later still doing  
almost everything I need it to do... (Civ IV would be nice, but not  
nice enough to buy new.) Works very well in leopard.  However, I  
didn't get the bluetooth option when I bought it.  Does anyone have  
recommendations, third party cards?


With teenage daughters papers and iTunes libraries, I have upgraded  
both HD's 800 and a 300gb, maxed the ram.  My daughter's new intel  
macbook (for college) can run rings around it.



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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Len Gerstel]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Dan wrote:


At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:


Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general.


I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for  
PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer  
supporting Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm  
thinking that's just general rumour or something.


- Dan.


Uh, Dan, lets see:

Last couple of security updates did not include Tiger.

Some Apple software requires 10.5 or better, iWork for example.

iTunes LPs and iTunes Extras require 10.5 or better.

Dropping implies in the process of, and those few examples seem to  
indicate it.


Len
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?Winblowz connection

[kimtoufectis]

I share many of the views expressed in this thread about using a
computer that is a great value and does what we need it to do.  In
most cases the need is expressed in software terms, since software is
generally what we are referring to when we say we "use" a computer.

I'd like to add that my clamshell iBook (300 Mhz, 544 MB RAM, 2 GB
ROM) is a sustainable computing hardware project for me.  That I found
it on eBay for $79 and have kept total project cost for software and
hardware to $150 or so adds to the value proposition, but I use it in
part BECAUSE it is over ten years old and still works.  Decent
keyboard, decent screen, decent software.  I considered the new-
netbook alternative, and one day I might acquire one of those as well,
but as long as this serves, why introduce yet another computer to the
wild and have reason to believe that my cast-off may well be in a
landfill somewhere?

Besides, the iBook has panache, it never crashes, and I can use
browsers as recent as the last incarnation of Opera 9.  Yes, out-of-
date browsers pose some risk, but perhaps we're just not much of a
market for the malwarers...do you suppose there are many Nash Ramblers
carved up in chopshops to feed the repair parts market these days?


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Dan]

At 9:08 PM +0100 1/21/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote:

I was just thinking about the future.


ow.

I've just made an old G3 B&W working again (it was wasting space and 
picking up dust for about two years or more) and it is now in my 
office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working

with it, in other words: it is slow.


Why?  What did you do to it?  My 300-MHz Smurf handles files just as 
fast as my 1.5 GHz PB G4, and my housemate's x GHz AMD Windoze 
machine.  Safari displays pages almost as fast as they do too.  Iffa 
your Smurf is slow, then you messed something up.



Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger.


cite?

All my Macs, that run System 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, Panther, and 
Tiger, are still running.  They didn't suddenly gak the other day.


I read so many postings here about people buying or working with 
Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. [...] But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ 
why Mac OS X?)


PowerPC based Macs, both desktop and laptop *RUN*.  With few 
exceptions, they are VERY reliable.  You give them a task and they DO 
it.  Almost forever.


Intel based Macs... ROFL.  Yea, the desktops have the lowest repair 
rate in the intel-based industry.  But that's not saying much - PPC 
Macs were and are MUCH more reliable.  And the MB and MBP... You 
should see the file cabinets full of repair paperwork my clients have.



All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon.


And you have an assumption that newer is better?   LOL  iTunes needs 
a multi GHz computer to play an mp3 without making the rest of the 
computer unusable, but QuickTime on OS 9 can do it on a 180-MHz 
machine just fine.  Yup.  That's "better".


Some of you may be using Leopard already, but it is now also just a 
question of time when it will

be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether.


eh.  Enthropy.  pffft.


So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?


A better question is why use the older OS releases?

And what's the right tool for the job?

A case on point: My clients have peripherals that don't work in 
Leopard or Snow Leopard.  Apple tells them to upgrade.  Yea, right, 
they're going to throw out $250K+ devices.  It is more likely that 
they'll switch to new PC hardware and run Windows 7 --- which 
(almost) talks to those old devices just fine.   (Almost = a i/o 
throughput issue that makes Windows 7 go plaid, er BSOD.  But that's 
better than Mac OS X - where the devices don't work at all).


At home, I think it's pretty stupid to dedicate a $1000+ computer to 
play streaming radio and drive a scanner.  I use a 180-MHz PM for 
that.  My main computer here is a 300 MHz Smurf.  They get the job 
done.



Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be dropped in
the forseeable future.


Yes, Apple has done a pretty good job of making Tiger support more 
difficult in XCode.  How nice of them.


Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed security flaws not yet 
discovered) will also make the situation worse.


And which of those security flaws are actually exploited on the Mac?

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Dan]

I *AM NOT* kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU 
voltage part of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the 
electron paths in the CPU, eventually boring new paths and shorting 
out the CPU.


Darn it.  Now I gotta clean coffee out of my keyboard.


This is pure, unadulterated, horse hockey.


Thank you.


Ok.  Back to work.  Trying to re-wire this console so it throws 
sparks across the room whenever the cat walks by, or the cameraman 
wiggles.


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Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/22/10 11:39 AM, "John Musbach"  Spew into the
cybertrough:

>> Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone could comment on the comparison
>> between these three file formats: .cdr  .dmg. .img ?
> 
> IIRC, *.cdr is equivilent to *.iso it's just that in all their wisdom
> apple decided to use the *.cdr extension for iso images produced by
> disk utility rather than the *.iso standard.

I think you have it the opposite way.  *.iso is a PC term and ISO is short
for "International Organization for Standardization" so the PC world is
idiotic in calling it ISO when it should be IOS.  And I think *.cdr (cd
recordable) is MUCH more reasonable and intuitive.
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Dan]

At 4:37 PM -0500 1/22/2010, Len Gerstel wrote:

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Dan wrote:

At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general.


I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for 
PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer 
supporting Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm 
thinking that's just general rumour or something.


Uh, Dan, lets see:

Last couple of security updates did not include Tiger.


Were the patches applicable to the software in Tiger?


Some Apple software requires 10.5 or better, iWork for example.


Yes, but that's app development, not OS support.


iTunes LPs and iTunes Extras require 10.5 or better.


Again, app dev and (frankly) lame featuritis.

Dropping implies in the process of, and those few examples seem to 
indicate it.


I'm not saying they're supporting it with every app product etc.  I'm 
just not seeing some global "we've dumped this" pronouncement.


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Re: Cache Failure?

[Dan]

At 9:01 AM -0800 1/22/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
So someone gave me a single 533 digital audio g4 yesterday. I 
successfully put a 733 quicksilver processor in it, and then decided 
to overclock it to 800MHZ. I "successfully" did this, except that 
when 0s9 starts up it says that the build in memory test detected a 
problem with the cache memory and to contact apple support. I zapped 
the pram, reinstalled os9. Nothing worked, i can still use the 
computer though and it recognizes it as an 800MHZ G4 with 256kb 
level 2 cache. Thanks in advance!


Try slowing it down.  Could be that the cache can't handle the faster clock.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[starrfarr]

Ok,  I'll chime in. I have Beige G3 at work running an eternal slide  
show on two 19 inch LCD monitors. And a 500mhz G4 for general  
classroom work, mostly Photoshop, on another pair of 19 inch LCDs.
Both running OSX, the G4 runs Leopard.  Very reliable and fast enough.


At home I have a dual 800 gig DA G4 for serious graphic and video work  
on still another pair of 19" LCDs.  We have a family MacBook we all  
use downstairs for email, browsing and games. I almost forgot the  
clamshell my ten year old sometimes uses,  also networked to  
everything else and the web.  The G3 iMac she occasionally turns on  
for old OS9 games isn't networked to anything.


Sure I'd like a desktop Intel Mac but who can justify the expense?   
Especially when everything else still works fine.


And the truth is much of my browsing and email is done on this little  
Touch I have in my hand right now. Pretty up to date, at least until  
next week.  Who could have imagined it?


Rich
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Len Gerstel]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Dan wrote:


At 4:37 PM -0500 1/22/2010, Len Gerstel wrote:

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Dan wrote:

At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in  
general.


I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for  
PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer  
supporting Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm  
thinking that's just general rumour or something.


Uh, Dan, lets see:

Last couple of security updates did not include Tiger.


Were the patches applicable to the software in Tiger?


On 12/3/09, the security update was to update Java and did not  
include 10.4 updates. Since Java is semi-independent of the OS, if  
Apple was going to keep supporting 10.4, it SEEMS to me that they  
would have updated it in 10.4 beside 10.5 and .6.


The most recent one included updates to cups and flash (which I think  
are like the Java update, pretty OS independent) and the following:



OpenSSL

CVE-ID: CVE-2009-3555

Available for: Mac OS X v10.5.8, Mac OS X Server v10.5.8, Mac OS X  
v10.6.2, Mac OS X Server v10.6.2


Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may capture  
data or change the operations performed in sessions protected by SSL


Description: A man-in-the-middle vulnerability exists in the SSL  
and TLS protocols. Further information is available at http:// 
www.phonefactor.com/sslgap A change to the renegotiation protocol  
is underway within the IETF. This update disables renegotiation in  
OpenSSL as a preventive security measure. The issue does not affect  
services using Secure Transport as it does not support  
renegotiation. Credit to Steve Dispensa and Marsh Ray of  
PhoneFactor, Inc. for reporting this issue.





which sounds like a widespread problem, not just 10.5 and newer.


Some Apple software requires 10.5 or better, iWork for example.


Yes, but that's app development, not OS support.

iTunes LPs and iTunes Extras require 10.5 or better.


Again, app dev and (frankly) lame featuritis.


If they are not putting development effort into the software for the  
OS, that kind of implies that the OS will be left behind soon, also.  
See above.




Dropping implies in the process of, and those few examples seem to  
indicate it.


I'm not saying they're supporting it with every app product etc.   
I'm just not seeing some global "we've dumped this" pronouncement.


Not officially, but the writing on the wall is getting pretty big.

Len

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Paul Twiddy wrote:


What kind do you want? I have some old ones in the vault.

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On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, mlitwin3797 wrote:

   I'm not cheap. I'm retired. please let me know where I can find  
an Apple for almost free.


Lol, im on the other end of the spectrum.. :\

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 10:55 AM, John Callahan wrote:

I thought it is better(according to people on this list) to leave  
your Mac running! This eliminates "pop up" worries.


Heh, i only shut down my G3/400MHz here when i need to move it or  
upgrade it!


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[John Niven]

Like all good rumor there is truth in some of this.

Semiconductor line widths have become so small that the operating voltage has 
had to be reduced constantly to combat leakage and NBTI effects. Having a 
overvoltage condition is VERY hazardous to a cpu's life. We in the 
semiconductor industry perform "burn-in" at the component level to remove 
infant-mortality failures before shipping. We primarily use Voltage and 
temperature as our weapons of choice, but also continue this into sample 
"life-testing" on new products. My experience is that today's cpu degrade very 
noticeably through stress. I would not expect today's cpu's to have the same 
longevity as in the past. Good enough for the market? Maybe. 

Who said "The light that burns twice as bright, burns twice as fast"?

However, I would have expected that these systems were designed to be fail-safe 
i.e. the default condition is the voltages start at a "safe" maximum and the 
fans are full on.

When I power on my G5 Xserve the fan noise is very high until the software is 
loaded to control them. I'm sure the same applies to other Macs.


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> >> I *AM NOT* kidding. Linux
> does not know how two work the CPU voltage part of the SMC
> chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths in the
> CPU, eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.
> 
> Darn it.  Now I gotta clean coffee out of my
> keyboard.
> 
> > This is pure, unadulterated, horse hockey.
> 
> Thank you.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?Winblowz connection

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, kimtoufectis wrote:

> I share many of the views expressed in this thread about using a
> computer that is a great value and does what we need it to do.  In
> most cases the need is expressed in software terms, since software is
> generally what we are referring to when we say we "use" a computer.
>
> I'd like to add that my clamshell iBook (300 Mhz, 544 MB RAM, 2 GB
> ROM) is a sustainable computing hardware project for me.  That I found
> it on eBay for $79 and have kept total project cost for software and
> hardware to $150 or so adds to the value proposition, but I use it in
> part BECAUSE it is over ten years old and still works.  Decent
> keyboard, decent screen, decent software.  I considered the new-
> netbook alternative, and one day I might acquire one of those as well,
> but as long as this serves, why introduce yet another computer to the
> wild and have reason to believe that my cast-off may well be in a
> landfill somewhere?
>
> Besides, the iBook has panache, it never crashes, and I can use
> browsers as recent as the last incarnation of Opera 9.  Yes, out-of-
> date browsers pose some risk, but perhaps we're just not much of a
> market for the malwarers...do you suppose there are many Nash Ramblers
> carved up in chopshops to feed the repair parts market these days?
>
> 
>

I love Nash Ramblers and Metropolitans too.

But you may notice "my" spinoff  thread was about speculations as to why
people run Microsoft Winblowz on Macs and ignore the far superior OS X.
That can be very mysterious.

you will not find any arguments from me on the points you made. I was sold
on Mac OS over a decade ago.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Paul Twiddy]

How far do you want to go? I have some 6500s down there and I might find a G-3 
Beige File Server.

I am also retired. Worst job I have ever had. Don't like it.

Paul


On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:

> 
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Paul Twiddy wrote:
> 
>> What kind do you want? I have some old ones in the vault.
>> 
>> Paul Twiddy
>> Past President of CACC
>> Charlotte Area Computer Club
>> ptwi...@comporium.net
>> Serving Charlotte Since 1978
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, mlitwin3797 wrote:
>> 
>>>I'm not cheap. I'm retired. please let me know where I can find an Apple 
>>> for almost free.
> 
> Lol, im on the other end of the spectrum.. :\
> 
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?Winblowz connection

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

But you may notice "my" spinoff  thread was about speculations as  
to why people run Microsoft Winblowz on Macs and ignore the far  
superior OS X.  That can be very mysterious.


I have a few devices that need windows, unfortunately... If you have  
a Mac, do NOT buy a Magellan GPS, unless its an eXplorist (it acts  
like a USB drive.) My Triton doesn't even fully implement USB and  
requires the propriatary winblows software... Oh, my Fly Fusion pen  
needs one too... (don't yell at me saying i can get a new Mac if i  
didnt spend it on this stuff, i got the pen for $5 and the GPS for  
around $100...)


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Dan]

At 5:26 PM -0500 1/22/2010, Len Gerstel wrote:

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Dan wrote:

At 4:37 PM -0500 1/22/2010, Len Gerstel wrote:

On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Dan wrote:

At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general.


I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for 
PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer 
supporting Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm 
thinking that's just general rumour or something.


Uh, Dan, lets see:

Last couple of security updates did not include Tiger.


Were the patches applicable to the software in Tiger?


On 12/3/09, the security update was to update Java and did not 
include 10.4 updates. Since Java is semi-independent of the OS, if 
Apple was going to keep supporting 10.4, it SEEMS to me that they 
would have updated it in 10.4 beside 10.5 and .6.


As I recall, it was for the Java release that's available on only 
Leopard/SL anyway.



The most recent one included updates to cups


Have to look at that one.


and flash


Apple could issue a new security update every week, and not keep up 
with Flash.  So I'm not going to knock them there.  Additionally - 
how many of the Flash vulnerabilities are actually exploited on OS X?



OpenSSL
CVE-ID: CVE-2009-3555
Available for: Mac OS X v10.5.8, Mac OS X Server v10.5.8, Mac OS X 
v10.6.2, Mac OS X Server v10.6.2
Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may capture 
data or change the operations performed in sessions protected by SSL


While this is applicable to all implementations of SSL (it's a direct 
protocol failure), I'm not finding or hearing of any code that takes 
advantage of it on a Mac.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kasey Smith]

Heh, im a student here (freshman in high school.) Lemme know if you  
can find a 500 series (like a Quadra or Performa or even an LC)


On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Paul Twiddy wrote:

How far do you want to go? I have some 6500s down there and I might  
find a G-3 Beige File Server.


I am also retired. Worst job I have ever had. Don't like it.

Paul


On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:



On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Paul Twiddy wrote:


What kind do you want? I have some old ones in the vault.

Paul Twiddy
Past President of CACC
Charlotte Area Computer Club
ptwi...@comporium.net
Serving Charlotte Since 1978




On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, mlitwin3797 wrote:

   I'm not cheap. I'm retired. please let me know where I can  
find an Apple for almost free.


Lol, im on the other end of the spectrum.. :\


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM, mlitwin3797  wrote:

>  * I agree with your wife.*
>



> This is the first use of a custom font I have seen on LEM since i joined a
> decade ago. A milestone!
>

And no complaints or Nannie threats ! WOO HOO !
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?Winblowz connection

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Kasey Smith  wrote:

>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>  But you may notice "my" spinoff  thread was about speculations as to why
>> people run Microsoft Winblowz on Macs and ignore the far superior OS X.
>>  That can be very mysterious.
>>
>
> I have a few devices that need windows, unfortunately... If you have a Mac,
> do NOT buy a Magellan GPS, unless its an eXplorist (it acts like a USB
> drive.) My Triton doesn't even fully implement USB and requires the
> propriatary winblows software... Oh, my Fly Fusion pen needs one too...
> (don't yell at me saying i can get a new Mac if i didnt spend it on this
> stuff, i got the pen for $5 and the GPS for around $100...)
>
> __
>

As a would-be media producer I find a need for PCs and Winblowz too.
Because of software already owned or the need to be able to use what is on
hand.

But at the University there is an Apple store. Many students don't even give
OS X a chance. They are told by the sales goofs that it'll run Winblowz and
that is what they boot. Apple should train their people better or OS X will
be a tiny feather in history like Amiga Workbench.

And the EULA taboo against running OS X hackintoshed  will reinforce that
outcome. IMO of course.


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Re: MacMini G4 Cannot get out of SAFE mode

[Gus]

In addition to the other suggestions, I would start out with a file/
disk check/repair using the diskutil.  You can access it by booting up
on the cd boot rom for your system.



Gus.

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Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?

[Clark Martin]

On 1/22/10 2:02 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

On 1/22/10 11:39 AM, "John Musbach"  Spew into the
cybertrough:


Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone could comment on the comparison
between these three file formats: .cdr  .dmg. .img ?


IIRC, *.cdr is equivilent to *.iso it's just that in all their wisdom
apple decided to use the *.cdr extension for iso images produced by
disk utility rather than the *.iso standard.


I think you have it the opposite way.  *.iso is a PC term and ISO is short
for "International Organization for Standardization" so the PC world is
idiotic in calling it ISO when it should be IOS.  And I think *.cdr (cd
recordable) is MUCH more reasonable and intuitive.


That's because the french always have to reverse some letters / words. 
In french it's International Standards Organization (with french words 
instead but I don't know them but they are close to the above).


IEC is the same way.

I agree about .iso extension.  There are lots of things that are ISO so 
it doesn't make sense to name anything iso.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[James Therrault]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Dan wrote:


At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:


Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general.


I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for  
PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer  
supporting Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm  
thinking that's just general rumour or something.


- Dan.



If "Software Update" is a factor, I still get various updates,  
(security, java etc.), at least once a month.


OTOH, I suspect that Tiger will be a bygone within the next couple of  
years.


JT

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old G3 ruby iMac

[janesprando]

details: Ruby iMac G3 DV, Summer 2000; built in memory PC-100 322S; 400 mHz 

Is there a way to speed up the internet? 

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Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?

[graphicsone]

 Kyle Hansen  wrote: 

=
I think you have it the opposite way.  *.iso is a PC term and ISO is short
for "International Organization for Standardization" so the PC world is
idiotic in calling it ISO when it should be IOS. 
===

well, it's called ISO because the organization the greek word isos meaning 
equal. They did this because the organization's name would be different in all 
the various languages. This way it is uniform, AKA equal.

Linda in Ohio

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Stephen Conrad]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:51 PM, James Therrault wrote:

>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>  At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general.
>>>
>>
>> I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for
>> PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer supporting
>> Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm thinking that's just
>> general rumour or something.
>>
>> - Dan.
>>
>
>
> If "Software Update" is a factor, I still get various updates, (security,
> java etc.), at least once a month.
>
> OTOH, I suspect that Tiger will be a bygone within the next couple of years
>


I just did the "Software Update" thing and nothing was waiting (I an running
10.4.11)
I haven't seen one in awile actually


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Re: Cache Failure?

[Jonas Ulrich]

There is a site that tells how to overclock, and supposedly this is a really
stable overclock that works every time.

-Jonas

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Dan  wrote:

> At 9:01 AM -0800 1/22/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
>
>> So someone gave me a single 533 digital audio g4 yesterday. I successfully
>> put a 733 quicksilver processor in it, and then decided to overclock it to
>> 800MHZ. I "successfully" did this, except that when 0s9 starts up it says
>> that the build in memory test detected a problem with the cache memory and
>> to contact apple support. I zapped the pram, reinstalled os9. Nothing
>> worked, i can still use the computer though and it recognizes it as an
>> 800MHZ G4 with 256kb level 2 cache. Thanks in advance!
>>
>
> Try slowing it down.  Could be that the cache can't handle the faster
> clock.
>
> - Dan.
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Re: shut down pop-up

[Stephen Conrad]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith  wrote:

>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 10:55 AM, John Callahan wrote:
>
>  I thought it is better(according to people on this list) to leave your Mac
>> running! This eliminates "pop up" worries.
>>
>
> Heh, i only shut down my G3/400MHz here when i need to move it or upgrade
> it!


Well, I run Firefox, Safari, Yahoo! IM, Terminal and TextEdit with the
occasional running of  Preview so I do the occasional reboot as it seems to
help things run more smoothly (ie no lag time playing Vampire Wars, Zombie
Wars (on Facebook, for this I use Safari) or Word Whomp! (Pogo.com, for this
I use Firefox).


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Re: old G3 ruby iMac

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:14 PM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote:

details: Ruby iMac G3 DV, Summer 2000; built in memory PC-100 322S;  
400 mHz


Is there a way to speed up the internet?

Jane


Erm, your bandwidth has nothing to do with your computer. If you want  
pages to render faster, try Safari 4.04 and use Click2Flash to block  
the CPU stealing flash. I have an iMac just like this but in the  
indigo color :D


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Re: Cache Failure?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

There is a site that tells how to overclock, and supposedly this is  
a really

stable overclock that works every time.



Well, I suspect you've disproved that

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Re: Cache Failure?

[Jonas Ulrich]

Well maybe, but I was just hoping that someone might have an easy fix. I am
happy I finally got the nerve to de solder a resister on the processor and
the computer still functions, so far.

-Jonas

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
>
>  There is a site that tells how to overclock, and supposedly this is a
>> really
>> stable overclock that works every time.
>>
>
>
> Well, I suspect you've disproved that
>
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Re: Cache Failure?

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

So someone gave me a single 533 digital audio g4 yesterday. I  
successfully put a 733 quicksilver processor in it, and then decided  
to overclock it to 800MHZ. I "successfully" did this, except that  
when OS 9 starts up it says that the built-in memory test detected a  
problem with the cache memory and to contact apple support. I zapped  
the PRAM, reinstalled OS 9. Nothing worked, I can still use the  
computer though and it recognizes it as an 800MHZ G4 with 256kb  
level 2 cache. Thanks in advance!


This is a little out of my area of expertise, I've never had much  
experience with G4 PowerMacs, but I thought that both the 533 DA & 733  
QS were considered "road apples" because of their miniscule L2 cache?  
The "normal" size of a 733 QS L2 cache IS 256 KB, so if that's what  
you're seeing, it IS correct. It would seem advisable to get a  
different CPU with a larger L2, irrespective of whether this L2 is  
functional or not.


Also, I've seen that message in OS 9 before on Macs that would also  
boot OS X, for example, I've got an old PowerBook 3400 with both OS 9  
and OS 10.3.9 installed. In OS 9 I see the message, but in OS X,  
System Profiler shows the L2 cache and says it's functional. I decided  
that the warning in OS 9 was likely wrong, but I'm not 100% sure.  
There is an old utility from NewerTech called "Gage Pro 1.1" which if  
I remember right will show your L2 functionality in OS 9.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Fabian Fang]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:


On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Dan wrote:


At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:


Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in  
general.


I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for  
PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases.  But as for no longer  
supporting Tiger?   Please provide specific citations.  I'm  
thinking that's just general rumour or something.


Some Apple software requires 10.5 or better, iWork for example.



This is not a good example.

iWork '09 does not "require 10.5 or better":


It works just fine on my PowerMac G4 under OS 10.4.11.

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