Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[Mira Kehoe]

Thanks!

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:43 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio <fluxstrin...@gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fluxstrin...@gmail.com');>> wrote:

> Pulling the battery will dump the PRAM memory. If there is a CUDA switch
> on the mobo yes, get a small stick, reach in and hold it down at least 60
> seconds.
>
> CUDA looks like a tiny silver square with a black or red tiny button in
> the middle.
>
> Somewhere online there will be a photo or digaram of your mobo.
>
>
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> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Mira Kehoe <mirake...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mirake...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, everyone, for your advice!  I successfully swapped out the video
>> cards this afternoon; it only took 10 minutes.  Some applications seem to
>> take a little more time to open or close, but everything seems to be
>> working fine as of now.
>>
>> I appreciate the experience of this group many thanks!
>>
>> Mira
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mira Kehoe <mirake...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mirake...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
>>> computer, so I don't log in.
>>>
>>> The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
>>> up"  ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
>>> the blue screen is taking so long.
>>>
>>> It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.
>>>
>>> I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
>>> I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.
>>>
>>> The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
>>> won't "repair" anything that's too old.  They have been very helpful
>>> over the years.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>
>>> Mira
>>>
>>> On 10/24/15, NODEraser <nodera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
>>> >> 1.25
>>> >> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the
>>> solid
>>> >> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>>> >
>>> > They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
>>> > That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
>>> > talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
>>> > graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
>>> > hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
>>> > could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
>>> > and look at any messages that stall for a while.
>>> >
>>> > While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
>>> > level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
>>> > on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
>>> > difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
>>> > a really high resolution.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > [Greg Bennett]
>>> > -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
>>> > -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
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>>> > http://www.macshack.us/
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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

Pulling the battery will dump the PRAM memory. If there is a CUDA switch on
the mobo yes, get a small stick, reach in and hold it down at least 60
seconds.

CUDA looks like a tiny silver square with a black or red tiny button in the
middle.

Somewhere online there will be a photo or digaram of your mobo.


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On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Mira Kehoe <mirake...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, everyone, for your advice!  I successfully swapped out the video
> cards this afternoon; it only took 10 minutes.  Some applications seem to
> take a little more time to open or close, but everything seems to be
> working fine as of now.
>
> I appreciate the experience of this group many thanks!
>
> Mira
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mira Kehoe <mirake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
>> computer, so I don't log in.
>>
>> The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
>> up"  ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
>> the blue screen is taking so long.
>>
>> It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.
>>
>> I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
>> I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.
>>
>> The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
>> won't "repair" anything that's too old.  They have been very helpful
>> over the years.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>
>> Mira
>>
>> On 10/24/15, NODEraser <nodera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
>> >> 1.25
>> >> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the
>> solid
>> >> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>> >
>> > They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
>> > That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
>> > talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
>> > graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
>> > hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
>> > could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
>> > and look at any messages that stall for a while.
>> >
>> > While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
>> > level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
>> > on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
>> > difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
>> > a really high resolution.
>> >
>> > --
>> > [Greg Bennett]
>> > -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
>> > -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
>> > http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/
>> > http://www.macshack.us/
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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[Mira Kehoe]

Thanks, everyone, for your advice!  I successfully swapped out the video
cards this afternoon; it only took 10 minutes.  Some applications seem to
take a little more time to open or close, but everything seems to be
working fine as of now.

I appreciate the experience of this group many thanks!

Mira

On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mira Kehoe <mirake...@gmail.com> wrote:

> By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
> computer, so I don't log in.
>
> The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
> up"  ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
> the blue screen is taking so long.
>
> It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.
>
> I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
> I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.
>
> The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
> won't "repair" anything that's too old.  They have been very helpful
> over the years.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
>
> Mira
>
> On 10/24/15, NODEraser <nodera...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirake...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
> >> 1.25
> >> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
> >> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
> >
> > They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
> > That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
> > talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
> > graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
> > hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
> > could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
> > and look at any messages that stall for a while.
> >
> > While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
> > level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
> > on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
> > difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
> > a really high resolution.
> >
> > --
> > [Greg Bennett]
> > -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
> > -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
> > http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/
> > http://www.macshack.us/
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Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[mkehoe]

Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been sitting 
idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?  

The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the 1.25 
dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid 
blue screen before my home page appears, etc.

This is the card I would swap out:  
http://lowendmac.com/2002/power-macintosh-g4-mirrored-drive-doors/
Video: Nvidia GeForce 4 MX on 867 MHz model,
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro  on 
faster models; AGP 4x; DVI and ADC ports, includes DVI-to-VGA adapter

A) Is the Nvidia GeForce 4 MX video card compatible with the 1.25 dual G4?
B) Would the visual difference in video display (between the two cards) be 
very obvious? 
C) Is this a fairly easy job?  I've installed other cards, internal and 
optical drives, but years ago.

The cost of purchasing a replacement video card seems not worth it, but we 
would like to continue to use this  computer as long as we can.  I kept the 
867 dual drive for parts when the power supply was failing.  I bought the 
1.25 dual drive at a low cost some years ago, and decided to move my drives 
into it, rather than use its power supply for the ailing 867.

Thanks for any advice...

Mira

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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[Mira Kehoe]

Wow!  Thanks for the detailed and quick responses!  We have to perform
tonight, but I'll try to get to it on Sunday and report back.

Mira

On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mac User #330250 
wrote:

> Original message from mkehoe, 2015-10-24 20:54:
> > Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
> sitting
> > idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>
> Yes, sure. I've done that and it really isn't a lot of work.
> > The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
> 1.25
> > dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
> > blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
> >
> > This is the card I would swap out:
> > http://lowendmac.com/2002/power-macintosh-g4-mirrored-drive-doors/
> > Video: Nvidia GeForce 4 MX on 867 MHz model,
> > ATI Radeon 9000 Pro  on
> > faster models; AGP 4x; DVI and ADC ports, includes DVI-to-VGA adapter
>
> I have the same cards. My GeForce 4 MX is from a Quicksilver and the
> Readon 9000 Pro from the MDD. They are both AGP cards with the Apple
> specific ADC. They are interchangeable.
>
> > A) Is the Nvidia GeForce 4 MX video card compatible with the 1.25 dual
> G4?
>
> Yes.
>
> > B) Would the visual difference in video display (between the two cards)
> be
> > very obvious?
>
> No. At least I wouldn't see it… I tend to think they are both of equal
> graphics performance.
>
> > C) Is this a fairly easy job?  I've installed other cards, internal and
> > optical drives, but years ago.
>
> Yes.
> 1) Remove the power cord from both Macs.
>
> MAKE SURE YOU ARE ELECTRICALLY/STATICALLY GROUNDED. It is sufficient if
> you touch the metall of the case while you touch the graphics card. If
> you are statically charged when you touch the graphics card, you could
> damage it. So touch the metal of your Macs case first and you will be
> discharged and keep contact with the case (always before touching other
> electronic components) and you should be safe!
>
> 2) On both Macs: open up the case and remove the display cable from the
> graphics card.
> 3) Swap the cards. All you need is a Phillips head screwdriver. (One
> srew on top of the AGP card.) Be careful pulling out the card, but it
> really isn't that hard to do. Just use the force necessary to get it
> out. Putting it in is the same, just the other way around.
> 4) Close the case and reconnect the display cables.
> Done. Mac OS X will automatically use the correct graphics driver.
>
> > The cost of purchasing a replacement video card seems not worth it, but
> we
> > would like to continue to use this  computer as long as we can.  I kept
> the
> > 867 dual drive for parts when the power supply was failing.  I bought the
> > 1.25 dual drive at a low cost some years ago, and decided to move my
> drives
> > into it, rather than use its power supply for the ailing 867.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice...
> >
> > Mira
>
> Good luck!
> Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
>

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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[Mira Kehoe]

By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
computer, so I don't log in.

The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
up"  ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
the blue screen is taking so long.

It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.

I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.

The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
won't "repair" anything that's too old.  They have been very helpful
over the years.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Mira

On 10/24/15, NODEraser  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe  wrote:
>
>> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
>> 1.25
>> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
>> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>
> They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
> That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
> talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
> graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
> hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
> could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
> and look at any messages that stall for a while.
>
> While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
> level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
> on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
> difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
> a really high resolution.
>
> --
> [Greg Bennett]
> -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
> -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
> http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/
> http://www.macshack.us/
>
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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[NODEraser]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe  wrote:

> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the 1.25
> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.

They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
and look at any messages that stall for a while.

While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
a really high resolution.

-- 
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-Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
-Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/
http://www.macshack.us/

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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[Mira Kehoe]

I haven't changed any components recently.  What do you mean "dump" ?  Hold
the button down?

Also, a year or so ago I purchased a new PRAM battery, but didn't install
it.  Would this be a good time to do that, and if so, the battery first, or
the video card?

Mira

On Saturday, October 24, 2015, W.Adrian D'Alessio 
wrote:

> Does that machine have a PRAM and CUDA button? If so dump both no matter
> what you do. It could just be old settings and config causing problems.
>
> Especially if you have changed any components recently.
>
>
> Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer
> fluxstrin...@gmail.com
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/
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> http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Cameron Kaiser  > wrote:
>
>> > Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
>> sitting
>> > idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>>
>> Yes, it should just work. The 9000 Pro is overall a more powerful card
>> than
>> the 4 MX, but the performance delta is not large. If you want the gory
>> details on the differences, see
>>
>> http://www.anandtech.com/show/946/10
>>
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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[Mira Kehoe]

Thanks for your quick feedback!

On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:

> > Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
> sitting
> > idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>
> Yes, it should just work. The 9000 Pro is overall a more powerful card than
> the 4 MX, but the performance delta is not large. If you want the gory
> details on the differences, see
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/show/946/10
>
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Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

Does that machine have a PRAM and CUDA button? If so dump both no matter
what you do. It could just be old settings and config causing problems.

Especially if you have changed any components recently.


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> > Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
> sitting
> > idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>
> Yes, it should just work. The 9000 Pro is overall a more powerful card than
> the 4 MX, but the performance delta is not large. If you want the gory
> details on the differences, see
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/show/946/10
>
> It's no difficult than swapping any other AGP card.
>
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Re: VideoCards

[Alex Sciortino]

You can swap the cards if the one in the QS is good. 

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VideoCards

[Buzzby]

I have two video cards.  ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and nVidia A74.  Which one is 
better?
Can I swap the Radeon from the G4 MDD 1.42Ghz with the nVidia which was in the 
Quicksilver?
I am not sure specs in the Quicksilver except 1.5GB PC133 memory.  CPU unknown. 
 Mac unable to boot.

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Re: VideoCards

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 2-11-2012 6:07, Buzzby ha scritto:

 I have two video cards.  ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and nVidia A74.  Which one is
 better?
I never heard about this A74 before. There's not much info on the Net
either.

For its time, I know the Radeon 9000 was a good card, so I'd go for that.
Besides, you can look at the memory on the cards: usually, the bigger the
card's memory, the better.

Lastly, before choosing the A74 - eventually - check if you can find the
appropriate drivers (that's in OS9; OSX should have them included).

 Can I swap the Radeon from the G4 MDD 1.42Ghz with the nVidia which was in the
 Quicksilver?
Since both Quicksilvers and MMDs had a 4x AGP slot, graphic cards should be
swappable.

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Re: G5 video cards

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 14-05-2012 7:20, a1 ha scritto:

 The more recent one has, it
 says, the lesser stock video card--- a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
 (AGP 8X Pro) video card with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM instead of the earlier
 ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (AGP 8X Pro) video card with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM.
AFAIK, the 9600 is better than the 5200.
You better check some benchmark articles, though, like this one:
http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=280Page=1
Google GeForce FX 5200 Ultra Radeon 9600 Pro

 So how much of a real difference is this? I am looking to spend under
 $125 for a G5, total. What video card would most people say is most
 suitable for these computers?
IIRC, the most powerful cards for those Macs were the Radeon X800XT and
Geforce 6600.

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G5 video cards

[a1]

I am narrowing my likely choice for a G5 to 2 models, Power Mac 7,2 or
7,3. These are Dual 2.0 machines described here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_2.html

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html

I am selecting these 2 as the most powerful G5's that still have stock
ADC connectors but are not liquid-cooled. The more recent one has, it
says, the lesser stock video card--- a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
(AGP 8X Pro) video card with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM instead of the earlier
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (AGP 8X Pro) video card with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM.

So how much of a real difference is this? I am looking to spend under
$125 for a G5, total. What video card would most people say is most
suitable for these computers?

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Re: re-flashing video cards for use in Mac computers

[Peter Devlin]

On 23/02/2012 19:50, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone have any experience in flashing a PC video card with the
 AGP slot connection for use in a G4 PowerMac (or G5 PowerMac), by
 installing it into the Mac and using a remote desktop program to
 display the screen on a different computer, so the re-flashing process
 can be run on the Mac while it has no working video card display?
 
 Sounds like a crazy idea, I know.  But if a person doesn't have a
 Windows PC with an AGP slot any longer, and doesn't have a PCI video
 card that works on a Mac, what are the other options available?
 
 I have a 128mb VRAM Windows version of the ATI Radeon 8500, that I
 want to use in my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, which I have upgraded
 to stock Apple dual 1.42GHz  G4 CPU module.
 
 David

It was fairly common among the old flashing brigade - much less common
now due to the death of the original pci and agp - and is usually achieved
by running Panther through chicken of the vnc - or any vnc controller.
Panther because it will boot with a non mac card installed. The flashing
software is Graphiccelerator but be aware that it will flash all the ATI
cards installed - both pci and agp - a cautionary note if you do have an ATI
pci card to boot and flash the ATI agp.
There never was a 128MB ATI 8500 for the mac so no standard rom - just
the 64MB version - so you may end up with half the vram. Also the 128MB
version for the pc was known as the 8500LE and as far as I can remember a
cut down version with vga and a strange dvi port that has no vga and will
not take an adapter.
Aquamac details the how on his site with an X800...

http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/macx800xtaqua-ma.html

Pete


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re-flashing video cards for use in Mac computers

[David W. Morris]

Does anyone have any experience in flashing a PC video card with the  
AGP slot connection for use in a G4 PowerMac (or G5 PowerMac), by  
installing it into the Mac and using a remote desktop program to  
display the screen on a different computer, so the re-flashing process  
can be run on the Mac while it has no working video card display?


Sounds like a crazy idea, I know.  But if a person doesn't have a  
Windows PC with an AGP slot any longer, and doesn't have a PCI video  
card that works on a Mac, what are the other options available?


I have a 128mb VRAM Windows version of the ATI Radeon 8500, that I  
want to use in my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, which I have upgraded  
to stock Apple dual 1.42GHz  G4 CPU module.


David
dual booting MorphOS2.7  MacOSX10.5.8 on my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini and my  
dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, and MorphOS3.0 beta  MacOSX10.5.8 of  
15  17 1.67GHz  G4 PowerBooks.


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Re: re-flashing video cards for use in Mac computers

[QuoVadis]

Hello David!

I suppose what you're proposing could work. I don't know if the
software exists for Macintosh to flash graphics cards, though. I
recently flashed a Geforce FX5500 to a FX5200, but had to use a PC to
get it done, as the software required an x86-compatible system.


Greetings,

Eelco.

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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[t...@io.com]

On Dec 6, 12:58 am, Justin The Cynical cyni...@penguinness.org
wrote:
 On 12/5/10 12:03 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

  The type of RAM probably only indicates the version of the card.  The usual 
  problem with flashing a card with Mac firmware is that the flash ROM isn't 
  big enough to take the Mac firmware.  

 To which I have seen reduced ROM's as the 'solution' to this, which
 sometimes works, sometimes not.   Right now, the best idea seems to be
 looking at what is left of the wiki's and info from the various sites
 and see if I can get lucky and find one of the confirmed working cards
 on ebay or some place similar.

Well, you can always replace the Flash chip.  The things are just 8
pin SOICs, which are a little awkward to work with, but really not
that difficult.   And they cost about $2 each.

Once you have one of large enough capacity on board, flash it with
whatever firmware will do the trick.

When modifying the R7000 I used to pre-program the Flash chips with a
chip programmer before soldering them on.  That bypassed the entire
flashing process, or at least ensured that I could flash them on a Mac
without any hassles.

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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[Justin The Cynical]

On 12/4/10 6:43 PM, dc wrote:
 I recently brought my old 733 Digital Audio back to life.  Currently
 it's sporting a modified 5200 from a G5, but after digging in my parts
 pile, I've found a 9600XT from Sapphire.
 
 If the VRAM chips (there should be 4 of them on the fan side of the
 card) are square it can probably be flashed, if they are rectangular
 it cannot be flashed for a Mac. If it looks like it may be compatible
 the info on themacelite website is still good.

Looking at the card I have handy, it's not BGA RAM, so by the wiki, it's
not compatible.

I don't know if the incompatibility is because the ROM can't deal with
the different RAM type or it's just speed, in which case there are tools
to slow down the speed the ROM tells the card to use.

That's one of the questions that I can't seem to find an answer for.
Any insight?

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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[Clark Martin]

On Dec 5, 2010, at 4:30 AM, Justin The Cynical wrote:


 If the VRAM chips (there should be 4 of them on the fan side of the
 card) are square it can probably be flashed, if they are rectangular
 it cannot be flashed for a Mac. If it looks like it may be compatible
 the info on themacelite website is still good.
 
 Looking at the card I have handy, it's not BGA RAM, so by the wiki, it's
 not compatible.
 
 I don't know if the incompatibility is because the ROM can't deal with
 the different RAM type or it's just speed, in which case there are tools
 to slow down the speed the ROM tells the card to use.
 
 That's one of the questions that I can't seem to find an answer for.
 Any insight?


The type of RAM probably only indicates the version of the card.  The usual 
problem with flashing a card with Mac firmware is that the flash ROM isn't big 
enough to take the Mac firmware.  

Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[Justin The Cynical]

On 12/5/10 12:03 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

 The type of RAM probably only indicates the version of the card.  The usual 
 problem with flashing a card with Mac firmware is that the flash ROM isn't 
 big enough to take the Mac firmware.  

To which I have seen reduced ROM's as the 'solution' to this, which
sometimes works, sometimes not.   Right now, the best idea seems to be
looking at what is left of the wiki's and info from the various sites
and see if I can get lucky and find one of the confirmed working cards
on ebay or some place similar.

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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[Justin The Cynical]

On 12/3/10 9:23 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
 
 On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:04 AM, Justin The Cynical wrote:
 
 It's been a while since I looked into this, and I'm not finding much now.

  .

 So, does anyone know of an active site, IRC channel, or even still have
 the info for doing this?

*snip*

 Hope this isn't too much at once ... I'm still trying to read through it
 once in awhile.

Not at all, some of those I have seen, others are new to me.  Good info.

Another forum that deals with this subject is
http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showforum=28.  Of course, as
it's a cube owner's forum, it doesn't cover the larger range of cards
out there, just the ones that will fit in a cube.

I used to read the strangedogs site back when it wasn't actually a site
of pictures of strange dogs, but sadly, it seems to have gone away and I
can't find any archives for it.

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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[Peter Haas]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Justin The Cynical wrote:

Looking around on google, I'm only finding old and apparently  
abandoned

web sites, if they even exist any longer and not much in the way of
archives on archive.org

So, does anyone know of an active site, IRC channel, or even still  
have

the info for doing this?


It would appear that the hackers who were formerly active in hacking  
PC video cards for use on G4 (and other PPC) Macs have moved on to  
hacking MacOS itself to run on unmodified PC hardware.


Some of these folks are in developing countries where gen-u-wine  
Apple hardware is non-existent, or it costs several year's wages.  
Russia is one place where such hacking is going on. Also Argentina.


Here in the USA, hacking is going on, too, with some significant  
efforts in the installation and customization areas.


The goal has always been to boot MacOS X on PC hardware with MacOS  
itself being unmodified. Even to the extent of using an unmodified  
retail installation DVD.


This has largely been achieved, most notably through utilization of  
the EFI partition which is a functional part of any Intel-based PC or  
Mac, but which partition is unused by MacOS X. The PC's second and  
subsequent stage boot loaders are placed there, in this hidden  
partition, each phase of which contributes to the eventual hand-off  
to MacOS X itself.


It used to be that loads of mods were necessary to the contents of  
the /System/Extensions folder, but even these mods have been all but  
eliminated.


Most of the operational mods are now in a new /Extra folder, which  
MacOS X ignores, and the DSDT is contained there, along with,  
usually, four extensions which are involved in kernel decrypting,  
sound and networking support.


For installation, there is no MacOS X environment, so that part is  
simulated using a RAMDISK concept borrowed from Linux. The stuff  
which would be in the EFI partition and the /Extra folder are in the  
RAMDISK, and the MacOS X Installer just goes merrily on its way  
creating an instance of MacOS X on the target hard drive.


The just-installed MacOS X is booted for the first time, also using  
the RAMDISK, and then the EFI partition and the /Extra folder are  
created by a special application.


The next and all subsequent boots are as if the PC really was a Mac.

I suppose this is not too unlike the original developer's hardware,  
from back in the first public beta of 10.4.8, which was presumably  
on an Intel motherboard without the TPM support.


Indeed, PC motherboards are now available with TPM support, but that  
does no one any good as the decryption key is missing.


No matter as it is rather easy to decrypt the MacOS X kernel using  
software, and once decrypted, it need not be decrypted again, at  
least not until the MacOS X system is again rebooted.



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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[dc]

 I recently brought my old 733 Digital Audio back to life.  Currently
 it's sporting a modified 5200 from a G5, but after digging in my parts
 pile, I've found a 9600XT from Sapphire.

If the VRAM chips (there should be 4 of them on the fan side of the
card) are square it can probably be flashed, if they are rectangular
it cannot be flashed for a Mac. If it looks like it may be compatible
the info on themacelite website is still good.

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Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[Justin The Cynical]

It's been a while since I looked into this, and I'm not finding much now.

I recently brought my old 733 Digital Audio back to life.  Currently
it's sporting a modified 5200 from a G5, but after digging in my parts
pile, I've found a 9600XT from Sapphire.

Looking around on google, I'm only finding old and apparently abandoned
web sites, if they even exist any longer and not much in the way of
archives on archive.org

So, does anyone know of an active site, IRC channel, or even still have
the info for doing this?

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Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac

[Bill Connelly]

On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:04 AM, Justin The Cynical wrote:

It's been a while since I looked into this, and I'm not finding much  
now.


 .

So, does anyone know of an active site, IRC channel, or even still  
have

the info for doing this?





I'd be interested in what folks have to offer, too. I'd like an AGP PC  
card to flash for my AGP Macs that would allow support for a 30 LCD  
monitor at 2560x1600. I have a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz and a  
Digital Audio Dual 533. I believe it would need to have a Dual Link  
DVI port.


One site reference for flashing cards I have is:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/compatibility
and its links within the site.

Another refers to itself as the Golden Guide:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=877441

See here for DVI discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface
and
http://www.pacificcable.com/DVI_Tutorial.htm

Another, somewhat difficult to read:
http://xenomorph.net/apple/flashpccards/

Yet another:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=398935

Graphicaccelerator is located here:
http://thomas.perrier.name/graphiccelerator.html


Hope this isn't too much at once ... I'm still trying to read through  
it once in awhile.


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G5 PCIe Video Cards

[L.A. MacTech]

I have a G5 2.3GHz Dual Core with the NVidia 6600 card installed.
Apart from an increasingly loud recently-installed Seagate 1TB
harddrive, the computer has been blissfully quiet--the fans rarely
come on. I just bought a 2.0GHz Dual Core only because it was too
cheap to pass up ($330 in the original box in perfect condition). It
has the NVidia GeForce 7800 GT card with 256MB DDR3 VRAM as opposed to
the 6600 which is merely DDR. The 2.0GHz runs noticeably louder,
however, and the constant fan noise I'm not used to must be that big
one on the GPU. I had considered swapping the cards but now I
hesitate. Will I notice much or a performance  increase if I were to
install the 7800 or would I just be installing a noise increase? Any
Quadro 4500 users out there? Can Mac Pro video cards be used in these
G5s?

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Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?

[Will S]

On Jul 4, 10:32 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 On Jul 4, 2009, at 5:48 PM, joplinfan wrote:

  I'm getting ready to flash a BFG / Geforce 6200 and a Radeon 9250...
  both standard PCI cards... to use in my MDD G4 1ghz towers. Been
  studying up on the process at The Mac Elite website where it mentions
  that AGP cards require tape to be placed over some of the pins due to
  Apple's non standard AGP configuration... but I can't find any info
  where this would be required for a PCI card. Anyone know?

 No taping required for any PCI cards, but PCI cards are really NOT the  
 way to go. You want an AGP card in your MDD that supports both Quartz  
 Extreme (QE) and Core Image (CI). No PCI cards support QE  CI without  
 using PCI Extreme 3.1 and a hacked ROM for CI support. The bandwidth  
 of PCI is 1/2 AGP. This means any AGPx4 card will have 8x the  
 available throughput of any PCI card.

 If you're using Tiger or Leopard, forget about the PCI cards and get a  
 nice AGP card. You can flash PC AGP cards if you need cheap.

It is possible to flash some PCI cards and have both Quartz Extreme 
Core Image. No need for PCI extreme or special hacks. I'm running a
BW machine upgraded to G4 600 Mhz. It's got a flashed Nvidia 5500 PCI
card. I'm running Tiger and the Mac OS sees it as a native Mac Graphic
card with QE  Core Image. The other nice thing is the BW has one
high speed 2x PCI slot for graphics cards is equal to a 2X AGP slot
I'm told. The Yikes G4 machine may also have this high speed PCI slot.
This is a great solution for the BW  possible the Yikes machines.
Kris is right an AGP card is a better solution for any machine with an
AGP slot. A number of PCI cards can be flashed and run fine with QE 
CI but are way slower then AGP cards in any machine except the two
with fast PCI slots. I know the 6200 cards are being ran by many
people as well and I seem to remember the 9250 work also. So if you
already have the cards may as well give them a try. Chances are they
will work fine just a bit slower then AGP. Depending on what you are
using your machine for you maybe happy with them. Some PCI slots are
designed slightly different so make sure the card you want to use will
fit in the slot in your machine. As already mentioned no need to tape
PCI cards. The first card I bought didn't fit the slot in my machine.
I had thought that all PCI slots were standard but there are at least
two types. The cards look the same but side by side you will see they
have a slot/space between the pins on the card which is in a different
place for different type slots. There is no marking or name difference
for the different slots as far as I can tell.
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Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?

[Kris Tilford]

On Jul 5, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Will S wrote:

 It is possible to flash some PCI cards and have both Quartz Extreme 
 Core Image. No need for PCI extreme or special hacks. I'm running a
 BW machine upgraded to G4 600 Mhz. It's got a flashed Nvidia 5500 PCI
 card. I'm running Tiger and the Mac OS sees it as a native Mac Graphic
 card with QE  Core Image.

I don't believe this is true. Quartz extreme is excluded on ALL PCI  
cards unless the system is patched, which is something you can do  
manually, or by using PCI Extreme. There may be some Mac ROMs for  
flashed PC cards that will enable Core Image without needing any  
other patching, but these ROMs are hacks and not anything normal.  
I've read that PCI cards which do support Core Image are so slow that  
it's basically useless as an effect, so the difference between a PCI  
card and an AGP card is night  day. Get the AGP for certain and sell  
the PCI cards if you have them to buy the AGP.

Also, I believe the nVidia FX5200/5500 is almost the ONLY PCI card to  
support Core Image? Perhaps there's one ATI card also? You can read a  
little more about the nVidia PCI cards here, but I don't think this is  
a realistic upgrade path if you have a 4x AGP slot available:

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Mac_PCI_FX5200/mac_PCI_FX5200.html


 The other nice thing is the BW has one
 high speed 2x PCI slot for graphics cards is equal to a 2X AGP slot
 I'm told.

No, this is the equivalent of a 1x AGP slot.

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Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?

[pdimage]

On 4/7/09 23:48, joplinfan kawni...@cableone.net wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I'm getting ready to flash a BFG / Geforce 6200 and a Radeon 9250...
 both standard PCI cards... to use in my MDD G4 1ghz towers. Been
 studying up on the process at The Mac Elite website where it mentions
 that AGP cards require tape to be placed over some of the pins due to
 Apple's non standard AGP configuration... but I can't find any info
 where this would be required for a PCI card. Anyone know?
 
 Thanks,
 Steve

No taping required but you've picked two problematical cards - the agp
6200 is well known for it's dislike of MDD towers - works ok for the rest of
the mac line but not recommended for MDD - pci may be ok - it's a try it and
see...

http://themacelite.wikidot.com/compatibility

There was no 9250 model for the mac so the 9200 rom has to be hacked
with the 9250 DID and the flashed 9250 will show as a 9200. The vast
majority of the 9200/9250 pc versions were 64 bit wide and the mac version
was 128 bit. If your 9250 is 64 bit you will lose half the memory after the
flash - so a 9250 128MB card becomes a 9200 64MB mac card and so on

Pete



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Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?

[joplinfan]

Hi all,

I'm getting ready to flash a BFG / Geforce 6200 and a Radeon 9250...
both standard PCI cards... to use in my MDD G4 1ghz towers. Been
studying up on the process at The Mac Elite website where it mentions
that AGP cards require tape to be placed over some of the pins due to
Apple's non standard AGP configuration... but I can't find any info
where this would be required for a PCI card. Anyone know?

Thanks,
Steve
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Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?

[Kris Tilford]

On Jul 4, 2009, at 5:48 PM, joplinfan wrote:

 I'm getting ready to flash a BFG / Geforce 6200 and a Radeon 9250...
 both standard PCI cards... to use in my MDD G4 1ghz towers. Been
 studying up on the process at The Mac Elite website where it mentions
 that AGP cards require tape to be placed over some of the pins due to
 Apple's non standard AGP configuration... but I can't find any info
 where this would be required for a PCI card. Anyone know?

No taping required for any PCI cards, but PCI cards are really NOT the  
way to go. You want an AGP card in your MDD that supports both Quartz  
Extreme (QE) and Core Image (CI). No PCI cards support QE  CI without  
using PCI Extreme 3.1 and a hacked ROM for CI support. The bandwidth  
of PCI is 1/2 AGP. This means any AGPx4 card will have 8x the  
available throughput of any PCI card.

If you're using Tiger or Leopard, forget about the PCI cards and get a  
nice AGP card. You can flash PC AGP cards if you need cheap.

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Re: mac pro edition video cards

[Ross]

On Feb 17, 11:18 pm, roger deghetto linuxuse...@yahoo.com wrote:
 im in talks with a guy about buing a video card  he has for my mdd i know its 
 comming out of a mdd all he said was that its a 256mb mac pro edition im 
 wondering was there any mac gpus that came before the 9600 that had 256mb 
 after market?

 thanks
  roger

The ATI Radeon 9650 Pro Mac Edition 256MB is one such card that runs
in the MDD. It is an 8x AGP, but can be modified by taping pins 3  11
on the backside of its edge-card connector, to run in the 4x buss of
the MDD. Great card! I have one in my dual boot (OS 9.2.2/OS X
10.4.11) FW400 DP G4/1.25GHz MDD. It works under both operating
systems. The card has one dual-link, and one standard, DVI port, which
means it can drive a 30 display.

I believe there is also an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition with 256MB
that will run in the MDD with the tape mod applied to pins 3  11.

Ross

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Re: mac pro edition video cards

[dc]

Some of the older ATI cards are being re-released with more VRAM;
there are ATI 9000 256 MB available now but they are PC only; I don't
think anyone has yet converted one to work in a Mac.

On Feb 18, 2:18 am, roger deghetto linuxuse...@yahoo.com wrote:
 im in talks with a guy about buing a video card  he has for my mdd i know its 
 comming out of a mdd all he said was that its a 256mb mac pro edition im 
 wondering was there any mac gpus that came before the 9600 that had 256mb 
 after market?

 thanks
  roger
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Re: 2 ATI 9200 video cards in G4 Sawtooth?

[Kris Tilford]

On Dec 24, 2008, at 8:33 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

 As long as there is enough free ports. I ran 2 pci video cards a 1  
 agp video card in my G4 gigabyte ethernet powermac.

Using a PCI video card in an AGP Mac will kill off Quartz Extreme  
acceleration for both cards unless you enable it with PCI Extreme 3.1.  
It's normally better to get one good AGP card that has enough  
horsepower and VRAM for two monitors.


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Re: 2 ATI 9200 video cards in G4 Sawtooth?

[jonas ulrich]

What exactly is quarts extreme?

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:


 On Dec 24, 2008, at 8:33 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

  As long as there is enough free ports. I ran 2 pci video cards a 1
  agp video card in my G4 gigabyte ethernet powermac.

 Using a PCI video card in an AGP Mac will kill off Quartz Extreme
 acceleration for both cards unless you enable it with PCI Extreme 3.1.
 It's normally better to get one good AGP card that has enough
 horsepower and VRAM for two monitors.


 


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