[Audyssey] Wednesday's Out of Sight events

[Charles Rivard]

Special Announcement:
Out of Site Christmas Party: Friday December23rd. 
Join your fellow members for a day of Christmas Festivities beginning with a  
Movie at 11am,  hosted by Willy Wilson.

 2pm, Chain Reaction Christmas style  hosted by Danny and Julie P.

4pm,  Happy hour, Hosted by John Harris. Let's get together for some eggnog and 
a good down home chat .

 8pm, Come listen to the hilariously funny,  Out of Site"It's a wonderful life, 
Miracle on 34th, Street, Wizard of Oz, Christmas Bus trip play.". Hosted by 
John and Julie P.

 10pm Join Patti W, in the game zone  for a game of zilch to finish up the 
day's activities.

Merry Christmas to all of  our Out of site members.


Here are the events scheduled for Wednesday, December 21st:


Christmas Musical Mirrors
8:00 PM eastern
Hosted by John and Julie
Location:  Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
John and I cordially invite you to a Christmas Musical Mirrors tonight, 
December 21st at 8pm in the Merry Christmas room.  This is our way of getting 
to know you a little bit better through a Christmas song that has a special 
meaning for you. You can either play your song, or we would be glad to play it 
for you.  Prior to the song, let us know why this song is your Christmas 
Musical Mirror. 


Have a great day!


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Re: [Audyssey] Add-ons for Microsoft's flight simulator other than IYP?

[Trouble]

Go here and it will tell you all you need to get it working.
http://www.itsyourplane.com/
At 04:01 PM 12/20/2011, you wrote:

voice commands? can you explayn these please?

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Re: [Audyssey] usa games forums vs lists new information

[dark]

Well phil, when I visited the Cadbery chocolate factory with my parents (the 
biggest manufacturer of chocolate in Britain), when we talked to the lady 
who worked there she turned out to actually be allergic to chocolate so 
anything is possible :D.


And no, I came out without having been sucked up a giant tube, turned into a 
blueberry, shrunk, chucked down a rubbish shoot or sadly without a lifetime 
supply of chocolate :D.


Actually I'm probably more of a fan of foums myself for that reason, it's 
far easier to filter what you read and far less time consuming.


I'd gladly check out another forum if I was interested in the subject 
matter, and indeed there are several forums like project.aon that I don't 
check every day but will drop into occasionally, but I wouldn't sign up to 
another mailing list sinse with Audeasy, the Entombed list, a couple of book 
related ones I'm on and all the mail I get from university circulars (both 
leasure and work related), I just don't have the space.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Vlasak" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] usa games forums vs lists new information



Hi Dark,
Yeah asking a mailing list if they like mailing lists is like asking 
someone in Hershey Pennsylvania if they like chocolate.
Note that is a town that smells of chocolate all the time as they 
manufacture tons of it.
I now know why forums are getting more popular for as Thomas said if you 
have 10,000 people in a mailing list you would get about 1,000 messages a 
day but you could have that many people on a forum.

Phil




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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[dark]

Ah, that's not so bad.

I had nasty visions of you having to mark out patrol routes for enemies or 
the like in it which would be horrible,  or at least it sounds that way 
to someone with my spacial awareness or lack there of.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!



Hi Dark,
The only time the Cartesian direction degrees comes into play is when 
teleporting a player or other creature to a new location.

Then you have to specify 0 if facing east.
Phil

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!



Hi phil.

wow, that about the Gma engine is logical, but must've been a nightmare 
to keep track of.


thanks for clearing this up.

Beware the grue!

Dark.



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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Dallas O'Brien]

yes, military use the 360 degrees, which is based on the compass bearings.
dallas


On 21/12/2011 09:22, dark wrote:
I remember doing angles that way in maths, and it does indeed make 
more sense, but I'm less convinced that it's used in military forces, 
I would've thought they either just use either the usual eight cumpus 
directions, or 360 degrees with zero for north.


I'm getting used to it slowly though, it's just harder to remember 
where northeast southwest etc are.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
I'm getting used to it at the moment though.
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" 


To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!



Hi Dallas,

He is using the Cartesian system of angles for direction in Zero
Sight. It makes sense if we are talking Geometry or some higher level
math like that, but most people use the Bearing system when referring
to north, south, east, and west directions in day to day life. North
is (0, 0, 0) and south is (1, 8, 0) in the Bearing system, but in a
Cartesian system (0, 0, 0) is east, and (1, 8, 0) is west.Its easier
from a mathematical point of view to calculate angles when 0 is at a
right angle.

Cheers!


On 12/20/11, Dallas O'Brien  wrote:
far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it 
as a

toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so
as i may understand it a little better.
best regards
dallas



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Re: [Audyssey] usa games forums vs lists new information

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Dark,
Yeah asking a mailing list if they like mailing lists is like asking someone 
in Hershey Pennsylvania if they like chocolate.
Note that is a town that smells of chocolate all the time as they 
manufacture tons of it.
I now know why forums are getting more popular for as Thomas said if you 
have 10,000 people in a mailing list you would get about 1,000 messages a 
day but you could have that many people on a forum.

Phil

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:43 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] usa games forums vs lists new information



Hi.

I suddenly realized, that asking this question itself on a mailing list is 
a litle one sided, sinse while there are people like myself who do both 
mailing lists and forums, there are many people who are on this list 
because they prefer mailing lists.





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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Dark,
The only time the Cartesian direction degrees comes into play is when 
teleporting a player or other creature to a new location.

Then you have to specify 0 if facing east.
Phil

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From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!



Hi phil.

wow, that about the Gma engine is logical, but must've been a nightmare to 
keep track of.


thanks for clearing this up.

Beware the grue!

Dark.



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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[dark]

Hi phil.

wow, that about the Gma engine is logical, but must've been a nightmare to 
keep track of.


thanks for clearing this up.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: "Phil Vlasak" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!



Hi Folks,
Actually the GMA game engine also uses 0 degrees for east in doing 
calculations, and the program converts it to 0 degrees north for saying 
the results.

I found this info on google:
ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.../19760066521_1976066521.pdf
Directions are:
0 degrees for North polar, and 180 degrees for South polar.
While inflight . The
alternate landing site is an active military air base or has the 
capabilities and

resources ...


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Re: [Audyssey] Add-ons for Microsoft's flight simulator other than IYP?

[Ron Kolesar]

Well voice commands are just that.
You give the simulator or the programs commands by talking into a microphone 
via training the Microsoft built in windows speech reconition programs. Go 
into the advance options and you'l;l see how to set up your microphone that 
you'll be using.
The best type of microphone is some tipe of headset with a boom mic built 
onto the headset.
Usually a USB headset or like what I'm using a cordless USB headset with a 
boom mic on it.
It has a little transeaver tthat for safety reasons, I would recommend 
plugging it into one of the USB ports on the back of the tower.
Then there's a little roughly twelve inch cable that one end plugs into the 
headset and the other end plugs into a different USB port to charge the 
unit.

I hope this answers your questions.
Ron

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IYP?


voice commands? can you explayn these please?

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[Audyssey] usa games forums vs lists new information

[dark]

Hi. 

I suddenly realized, that asking this question itself on a mailing list is a 
litle one sided, sinse while there are people like myself who do both mailing 
lists and forums, there are many people who are on this list because they 
prefer mailing lists. 

so, just for kicks I asked the same question on audiogames.net and got these 
responses: 

http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=6801 

Not surprising sinse those responding are not I believe on this list because 
they prefer forums :D. 

sorry for the extra confusion Tom, but if indeed your making a tally here it is 
only fair to get everyone's opinions. 

I suspect in the end it will be as most people here believe and we'll have a 
usa mailing list afterall, stil I thought it was an interesting exercise to see 
the other side of the issue. 

Beware the grue! 

Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[dark]

Hi Che.

Personally I've always found John and Eleanor from 7-128 highly reasonable 
and open to suggestion on many points, and sinse they have not responded on 
this matter I'd say your being a trifle hasty, or at least putting your 
point a litle too negatively.


While I do agree, I'm content to reserve judgement until we find out what 
the top 25 happens to be this year, and also whether the criteria changes.


As to how the top twenty five works in the scheme of things. Well you are 
right in that no it probably won't change the universe, however I will say 
that 7-128 actually do a lot in terms of game accessibility generally, and 
have links to various games and general access related organizations, from 
able gamers to retroremakes, indeed I first heard of 7-128 myself when they 
appeared in a magazine artical detailing their life style as well as their 
game access work.


this means it's more likely to be seen by newcomers to audio games, and get 
the exposure we all need.


so while I do agree perhaps the criteria were too narrow if it excluded 
specifically designed accessible clients for online gameplay, (especially 
sinse it counts games like sound rts and topspeed whos' single player mode 
is hardly astounding), I think we should wait for a response, or indeed for 
the list itself.


Also on a final note, the list is not personal.

just as I myself don't object to the fact that audiogames.net is always 
behind pcs games, I don't think the exclusion of any site is intended as a 
reflection of anyone's work, it just depends upon what criteria they use to 
evaluate the sites in question.


Indeed I believe several factors such as google rank are things that few 
people can do anything about.


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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Folks,
Actually the GMA game engine also uses 0 degrees for east in doing 
calculations, and the program converts it to 0 degrees north for saying the 
results.

I found this info on google:
ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.../19760066521_1976066521.pdf
Directions are:
0 degrees for North polar, and 180 degrees for South polar.
While inflight . The
alternate landing site is an active military air base or has the 
capabilities and

resources ...


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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[dark]

I remember doing angles that way in maths, and it does indeed make more 
sense, but I'm less convinced that it's used in military forces, I would've 
thought they either just use either the usual eight cumpus directions, or 
360 degrees with zero for north.


I'm getting used to it slowly though, it's just harder to remember where 
northeast southwest etc are.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
I'm getting used to it at the moment though.
- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Ward" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!



Hi Dallas,

He is using the Cartesian system of angles for direction in Zero
Sight. It makes sense if we are talking Geometry or some higher level
math like that, but most people use the Bearing system when referring
to north, south, east, and west directions in day to day life. North
is (0, 0, 0) and south is (1, 8, 0) in the Bearing system, but in a
Cartesian system (0, 0, 0) is east, and (1, 8, 0) is west.Its easier
from a mathematical point of view to calculate angles when 0 is at a
right angle.

Cheers!


On 12/20/11, Dallas O'Brien  wrote:

far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it as a
toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so
as i may understand it a little better.
best regards
dallas



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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Dallas O'Brien]

good to hear!
by the way, a sigestion from a friend of mine who is going to be buying 
the game today.
if your looking for ideas for your next game, he sigested that you think 
about a helicopter game. as this would entail a few things that flying a 
plain do not.
don't know if you would take that idea and run it as a seperate game, or 
make zero sight a multi aircraft system, where you can pick the aircraft 
your going to use.

anyway, thought i would throw that idea out for you to decide on.
best regards
dallas


On 21/12/2011 07:42, Shard Workshop wrote:

Don't worry guys, we actually listen to the community and we're working on
a toggle ;)

2011/12/20 Dallas O'Brien


ahh, ok. interesting way of doing things in a flight sim, as what do
pilots have in front of them? ... a compass. all plains have one. actually,
they have several. lol.
let alone gps systems, which work on compass headings.
i think at the very least, a toggle could be used to switch between that
and compass bearings, but perhaps i am to used to actual flight controls.
but also, as has been pointed out, its what most people use in day to day
usage, so it would be easier for them to understand compass bearings.
dallas



On 21/12/2011 06:40, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Dallas,

He is using the Cartesian system of angles for direction in Zero
Sight. It makes sense if we are talking Geometry or some higher level
math like that, but most people use the Bearing system when referring
to north, south, east, and west directions in day to day life. North
is (0, 0, 0) and south is (1, 8, 0) in the Bearing system, but in a
Cartesian system (0, 0, 0) is east, and (1, 8, 0) is west.Its easier
from a mathematical point of view to calculate angles when 0 is at a
right angle.

Cheers!


On 12/20/11, Dallas 
O'Brien>
  wrote:


far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it as a
toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so
as i may understand it a little better.
best regards
dallas

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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Charles Rivard]

Ah.  Patch 2?  Heh heh heh.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!



Don't worry guys, we actually listen to the community and we're working on
a toggle ;)

2011/12/20 Dallas O'Brien 


ahh, ok. interesting way of doing things in a flight sim, as what do
pilots have in front of them? ... a compass. all plains have one. 
actually,

they have several. lol.
let alone gps systems, which work on compass headings.
i think at the very least, a toggle could be used to switch between that
and compass bearings, but perhaps i am to used to actual flight controls.
but also, as has been pointed out, its what most people use in day to day
usage, so it would be easier for them to understand compass bearings.
dallas



On 21/12/2011 06:40, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Dallas,

He is using the Cartesian system of angles for direction in Zero
Sight. It makes sense if we are talking Geometry or some higher level
math like that, but most people use the Bearing system when referring
to north, south, east, and west directions in day to day life. North
is (0, 0, 0) and south is (1, 8, 0) in the Bearing system, but in a
Cartesian system (0, 0, 0) is east, and (1, 8, 0) is west.Its easier
from a mathematical point of view to calculate angles when 0 is at a
right angle.

Cheers!


On 12/20/11, Dallas 
O'Brien>

 wrote:

far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it as 
a

toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so
as i may understand it a little better.
best regards
dallas

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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

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All the info here: http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight

2011/12/20 lenron brown 

> where can i find that game and how much will it be i want to try out the
> game
>
> On 12/20/11, william lomas  wrote:
> > i hold down the down arrow it seems to take me off remember when u hold
> down
> > arrow the nose is pointing up think of it like TDV when you hold down
> page
> > down the angle of attack i.e. the nose sent you upwards
> >
> > On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Kelly Sapergia wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I was right then about the S key, good. I just recorded a file showing
> my
> >> attempt at taking off. If anyone knows what I'm doing wrong, please let
> me
> >> know. The link to get the file is:
> >> http://www.ksapergia.net/zero_sight_takeoff.mp3
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Yours Sincerely,
> >> Kelly John Sapergia
> >> Show Host and Production Director
> >> The Global Voice Internet Radio
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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Shard Workshop]

Don't worry guys, we actually listen to the community and we're working on
a toggle ;)

2011/12/20 Dallas O'Brien 

> ahh, ok. interesting way of doing things in a flight sim, as what do
> pilots have in front of them? ... a compass. all plains have one. actually,
> they have several. lol.
> let alone gps systems, which work on compass headings.
> i think at the very least, a toggle could be used to switch between that
> and compass bearings, but perhaps i am to used to actual flight controls.
> but also, as has been pointed out, its what most people use in day to day
> usage, so it would be easier for them to understand compass bearings.
> dallas
>
>
>
> On 21/12/2011 06:40, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
>> Hi Dallas,
>>
>> He is using the Cartesian system of angles for direction in Zero
>> Sight. It makes sense if we are talking Geometry or some higher level
>> math like that, but most people use the Bearing system when referring
>> to north, south, east, and west directions in day to day life. North
>> is (0, 0, 0) and south is (1, 8, 0) in the Bearing system, but in a
>> Cartesian system (0, 0, 0) is east, and (1, 8, 0) is west.Its easier
>> from a mathematical point of view to calculate angles when 0 is at a
>> right angle.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/11, Dallas 
>> O'Brien>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it as a
>>> toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
>>> if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so
>>> as i may understand it a little better.
>>> best regards
>>> dallas
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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

[lenron brown]

where can i find that game and how much will it be i want to try out the game

On 12/20/11, william lomas  wrote:
> i hold down the down arrow it seems to take me off remember when u hold down
> arrow the nose is pointing up think of it like TDV when you hold down page
> down the angle of attack i.e. the nose sent you upwards
>
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Kelly Sapergia wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was right then about the S key, good. I just recorded a file showing my
>> attempt at taking off. If anyone knows what I'm doing wrong, please let me
>> know. The link to get the file is:
>> http://www.ksapergia.net/zero_sight_takeoff.mp3
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Yours Sincerely,
>> Kelly John Sapergia
>> Show Host and Production Director
>> The Global Voice Internet Radio
>> www.theglobalvoice.info
>>
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>> Business Website: www.kjsproductions.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[john]

Well written and I agree with everything said here. My original 
impression was that entirely browser based games would be 
excluded from the list, though my personal opinion on who makes 
the best games didn't match the site's. Thus, while I believe 
that Alter Aeon and swamp should be some of the top games, that
is likely due to the fact that currently those are the only two 
I'm seriously playing. I was also surprised to see GMA not near 
the top, but I suppose that there are lots of opinions on best 
out there.

- Original Message -
From: Che   yes, I can see where a line needs to be drawn if your 
considering top

sites for blind gamers.
  To me, the online thing shouldn't matter, what should matter 
is if
the site offers games produced mainly for the blind, whether they 
are

played online or not.
  Web based games such as Core Exiles and so forth are games 
that
happen to be accessible because they are browser based, maybe 
with a

few accessible bits thrown in.
  This is not the case with BA, Quinten's playroom or RS games.
  Although these all offer games played on the internet, they 
are all
games designed for the blind, not games designed for the general 
public

that happen to be playable by those with screenreaders.
  Of course, every game out there that happens  to be playable 
by the
blind cannot be properly reviewed by such a small staff for 
inclusion on
such a list, but the sites that are developing computer games 
basically
exclusively for the blind should be recognized for their efforts, 
and
not lumped in with a bunch of offerings designed for the general 
public

that just happen to be accessible as an afterthought.
  Eleanor has fallen quiet on the issue here, so perhaps their 
mind is
made up on the topic, but if so, it is a shame they aren't taking 
input
from the community on this, as I get the impression they are 
missing the

point some of us are trying to make big time.
  If she is simply waiting to see what others have to say on the 
issue,

thats great, and I look forward to hearing from her.
  No list of top sites is going to make that much of a 
difference one
way or another frankly, but it would be a shame to see deserving 
work
not get a bit of recognition because the powers that be might be 
mis

informed about some of these sites out there.
  Bottom line, what is the purpose of posting a top 25 list, and 
is
that purpose served by dismissing games designed by the blind, 
for the
blind, just because their main mode of play happens to be against 
other
human beings via the internet.  No less fun is had with these 
games, no
less work is put into their creation, and in fact doing multi 
player

adds a level of complexity most non programmers cannot fathom.
  If I were to take the ability to play other human beings out 
of my
games, would they then qualify for the top 25 list?  Because if 
so,
almost all of my games can be played as is single player that 
way, but
this seems really silly to have to strip out a major component of 
a game
so it can qualify as good enough for anything, when the option is 
there

for you to play it that way.
  The exclusion of these sites just makes absolutely no sense to 
me,

and I don't think I'm alone here.
  Again, I can see not including web based games, and even most 
muds
though I think Alter Eon should be an exception given the amount 
of work

put towards allowing the blind to be immersed in the game, but to
dismiss a site because it makes games for the blind that also are
playable online is just illogical to say the least..
  Let me say this as well.  Swamp, which by most accounts is a
frontrunner candidate for accessible game of the year would not 
make
this list given the current guidelines, , as it can be played 
online.
Will the impact it has had on the gaming community be dismissed 
because
it is played online, and if not, what is the difference between 
swamp,
castaways, and other games jeremy has made, and the games RS 
Games,

Quentin's Playroom and BA have to offer?
  Thoughts?
  Che


On 12/20/2011 1:50 PM, dark wrote:
Hi Dennis.

i believe the "online games" mentioned doesn't mean games that 
have some
online capability, but games that are entirely online, such as 
brouser

games and yes, muds.

If the top 25 list included all the online text games that blind 
people
can play well that's a catagory in itself, pluss it's then hard 
to
separate out games that have been adaptated or altered for blind 
players

vs those that just happen to be accessible.

that's why i see the point of excluding most online games, even
including those I like such as Core exiles.

Alteraeon though is I think the exception to this rule.

other muds like New worlds, materiamagica and avatar muds have 
"some
features for blind or vi players" but alteraeon goes way beyond 
the call
of duty here with what it does with atmospheric and adapted text 
like
the weather descriptions, and is as I said tantamount to an 
audio rpg

with the mushclient

Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Dallas O'Brien]

ahh, ok. interesting way of doing things in a flight sim, as what do 
pilots have in front of them? ... a compass. all plains have one. 
actually, they have several. lol.

let alone gps systems, which work on compass headings.
i think at the very least, a toggle could be used to switch between that 
and compass bearings, but perhaps i am to used to actual flight controls.
but also, as has been pointed out, its what most people use in day to 
day usage, so it would be easier for them to understand compass bearings.

dallas


On 21/12/2011 06:40, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Dallas,

He is using the Cartesian system of angles for direction in Zero
Sight. It makes sense if we are talking Geometry or some higher level
math like that, but most people use the Bearing system when referring
to north, south, east, and west directions in day to day life. North
is (0, 0, 0) and south is (1, 8, 0) in the Bearing system, but in a
Cartesian system (0, 0, 0) is east, and (1, 8, 0) is west.Its easier
from a mathematical point of view to calculate angles when 0 is at a
right angle.

Cheers!


On 12/20/11, Dallas O'Brien  wrote:

far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it as a
toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so
as i may understand it a little better.
best regards
dallas


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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Amanda Burt]

I prefer lists to forems.  I find them easier to handle.

Amanda

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums


Hi Shaun,

Yeah, I know, but what I was looking for here is some actual figures
as to how many blind gamers prefer mailing lists over forums or forums
over lists. So far while there seem to be a handful of us in favor of
a forum the majority by far seem to like lists better.

However, the USA Games community isn't that large to really require a
forum anyway. There is only like 40 to 45 people subbed to the list at
any given time, and it has been very low traffic of late. Forums seem
to be more popular with large  game companies like Electronic Arts or
someone like that who has thousands of subscribers on any given day.
with that many subscribers a mailing list would be totally impractical
as it could never keep up with the hundreds of posts that would be
typical of a subscriber list that size, and even if it did I doubt the
average gamer wants 500 e-mails poring into their inbox daily. So
obviously large companies really need a forum for heavy message
traffic rather than a mailing list.


On 12/20/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

I have noticed a small trend in the other direction, a lot of new
stuff gets forumed sometimes and the lists left out for ages, so
giving them a miss is probably not a good things eiter.


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Re: [Audyssey] Add-ons for Microsoft's flight simulator other than IYP?

[Mario]

voice commands? can you explayn these please?

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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[Che]

  yes, I can see where a line needs to be drawn if your considering top 
sites for blind gamers.
  To me, the online thing shouldn't matter, what should matter is if 
the site offers games produced mainly for the blind, whether they are 
played online or not.
  Web based games such as Core Exiles and so forth are games that 
happen to be accessible because they are browser based, maybe with a 
few accessible bits thrown in.

  This is not the case with BA, Quinten's playroom or RS games.
  Although these all offer games played on the internet, they are all 
games designed for the blind, not games designed for the general public 
that happen to be playable by those with screenreaders.
  Of course, every game out there that happens  to be playable by the 
blind cannot be properly reviewed by such a small staff for inclusion on 
such a list, but the sites that are developing computer games basically 
exclusively for the blind should be recognized for their efforts, and 
not lumped in with a bunch of offerings designed for the general public 
that just happen to be accessible as an afterthought.
  Eleanor has fallen quiet on the issue here, so perhaps their mind is 
made up on the topic, but if so, it is a shame they aren't taking input 
from the community on this, as I get the impression they are missing the 
point some of us are trying to make big time.
  If she is simply waiting to see what others have to say on the issue, 
thats great, and I look forward to hearing from her.
  No list of top sites is going to make that much of a difference one 
way or another frankly, but it would be a shame to see deserving work 
not get a bit of recognition because the powers that be might be mis 
informed about some of these sites out there.
  Bottom line, what is the purpose of posting a top 25 list, and is 
that purpose served by dismissing games designed by the blind, for the 
blind, just because their main mode of play happens to be against other 
human beings via the internet.  No less fun is had with these games, no 
less work is put into their creation, and in fact doing multi player 
adds a level of complexity most non programmers cannot fathom.
  If I were to take the ability to play other human beings out of my 
games, would they then qualify for the top 25 list?  Because if so, 
almost all of my games can be played as is single player that way, but 
this seems really silly to have to strip out a major component of a game 
so it can qualify as good enough for anything, when the option is there 
for you to play it that way.
  The exclusion of these sites just makes absolutely no sense to me, 
and I don't think I'm alone here.
  Again, I can see not including web based games, and even most muds 
though I think Alter Eon should be an exception given the amount of work 
put towards allowing the blind to be immersed in the game, but to 
dismiss a site because it makes games for the blind that also are 
playable online is just illogical to say the least..
  Let me say this as well.  Swamp, which by most accounts is a 
frontrunner candidate for accessible game of the year would not make 
this list given the current guidelines, , as it can be played online. 
Will the impact it has had on the gaming community be dismissed because 
it is played online, and if not, what is the difference between swamp, 
castaways, and other games jeremy has made, and the games RS Games, 
Quentin's Playroom and BA have to offer?

  Thoughts?
  Che


On 12/20/2011 1:50 PM, dark wrote:

Hi Dennis.

i believe the "online games" mentioned doesn't mean games that have some
online capability, but games that are entirely online, such as brouser
games and yes, muds.

If the top 25 list included all the online text games that blind people
can play well that's a catagory in itself, pluss it's then hard to
separate out games that have been adaptated or altered for blind players
vs those that just happen to be accessible.

that's why i see the point of excluding most online games, even
including those I like such as Core exiles.

Alteraeon though is I think the exception to this rule.

other muds like New worlds, materiamagica and avatar muds have "some
features for blind or vi players" but alteraeon goes way beyond the call
of duty here with what it does with atmospheric and adapted text like
the weather descriptions, and is as I said tantamount to an audio rpg
with the mushclient pack as well.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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Elanor,

Unlike Dark, I don't understand why you would exclude online games in
this day and age. It may have made sense a decade ago, but the fact
of the matter is that 'standalone' games are rapidly becoming the
minority. Even now, I wouldn't be surprised if you were leaving half
of the available games off the table with the current listing
requir

Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Dallas,

He is using the Cartesian system of angles for direction in Zero
Sight. It makes sense if we are talking Geometry or some higher level
math like that, but most people use the Bearing system when referring
to north, south, east, and west directions in day to day life. North
is (0, 0, 0) and south is (1, 8, 0) in the Bearing system, but in a
Cartesian system (0, 0, 0) is east, and (1, 8, 0) is west.Its easier
from a mathematical point of view to calculate angles when 0 is at a
right angle.

Cheers!


On 12/20/11, Dallas O'Brien  wrote:
> far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it as a
> toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
> if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so
> as i may understand it a little better.
> best regards
> dallas
>

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[Audyssey] Add-ons for Microsoft's flight simulator other than IYP?

[Milos Przic]

Hi all,
I hurd that there are some other addons for MSFS, other than It's your plane. 
What are your experiences with them? And, do they all funcion via the voice 
commanding?
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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Shaun,

Yeah, I know, but what I was looking for here is some actual figures
as to how many blind gamers prefer mailing lists over forums or forums
over lists. So far while there seem to be a handful of us in favor of
a forum the majority by far seem to like lists better.

However, the USA Games community isn't that large to really require a
forum anyway. There is only like 40 to 45 people subbed to the list at
any given time, and it has been very low traffic of late. Forums seem
to be more popular with large  game companies like Electronic Arts or
someone like that who has thousands of subscribers on any given day.
with that many subscribers a mailing list would be totally impractical
as it could never keep up with the hundreds of posts that would be
typical of a subscriber list that size, and even if it did I doubt the
average gamer wants 500 e-mails poring into their inbox daily. So
obviously large companies really need a forum for heavy message
traffic rather than a mailing list.


On 12/20/11, shaun everiss  wrote:
> I have noticed a small trend in the other direction, a lot of new
> stuff gets forumed sometimes and the lists left out for ages, so
> giving them a miss is probably not a good things eiter.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

[william lomas]

i hold down the down arrow it seems to take me off remember when u hold down 
arrow the nose is pointing up think of it like TDV when you hold down page down 
the angle of attack i.e. the nose sent you upwards

On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Kelly Sapergia wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I was right then about the S key, good. I just recorded a file showing my 
> attempt at taking off. If anyone knows what I'm doing wrong, please let me 
> know. The link to get the file is:
> http://www.ksapergia.net/zero_sight_takeoff.mp3
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Yours Sincerely,
> Kelly John Sapergia
> Show Host and Production Director
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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[dark]

Hi Dennis.

i believe the "online games" mentioned doesn't mean games that have some 
online capability, but games that are entirely online, such as brouser games 
and yes, muds.


If the top 25 list included all the online text games that blind people can 
play well that's a catagory in itself, pluss it's then hard to separate out 
games that have been adaptated or altered for blind players vs those that 
just happen to be accessible.


that's why i see the point of excluding most online games, even including 
those I like such as Core exiles.


Alteraeon though is I think the exception to this rule.

other muds like New worlds, materiamagica and avatar muds have "some 
features for blind or vi players" but alteraeon goes way beyond the call of 
duty here with what it does with atmospheric and adapted text like the 
weather descriptions, and is as I said tantamount to an audio rpg with the 
mushclient pack as well.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:56 PM
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Elanor,

Unlike Dark, I don't understand why you would exclude online games in
this day and age.  It may have made sense a decade ago, but the fact
of the matter is that 'standalone' games are rapidly becoming the
minority.  Even now, I wouldn't be surprised if you were leaving half
of the available games off the table with the current listing
requirements.

The closest analogy I can come up with is that it's like making a list
of the all time greatest songs and leaving out anything that uses a
drum machine.

Given that the current 'top 25' list is set up more as 'top 25 plus a
bunch of extra lists for overflow material', perhaps it would be
better for the blind community to do some kind of multiple list or
hierarchical setup: the years best individual games, downloadable game
sites, online games, game developers, that sort of thing.  Right now,
the currently list is so widely variable in quality and landing page
type that its usefulness is diminished.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:35 AM, dark  wrote:

Hi eleanor.

while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as
muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like 
Sound
rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest 
is
it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available 
such

as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client.

Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, 
which

is also playable offline.

while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation 
of

what does or does not count as "online" in this context would be a good
thing,  and also as I said, might influence the final list.

Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[dark]

If I remember rightly the readme or maybe the db entry calls it a pain ball 
gun :D.


Agreed it's not a fantastic game, but stil it's good enough for a bit of 
light entertainment and it'll be nice to have another working link.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

[Kelly Sapergia]

Hi,

I was right then about the S key, good. I just recorded a file showing my 
attempt at taking off. If anyone knows what I'm doing wrong, please let me 
know. The link to get the file is:

http://www.ksapergia.net/zero_sight_takeoff.mp3

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
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The Global Voice Internet Radio
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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Valiant8086]

Mailing list. I absolutely hate forums. I think it takes too much effort 
to monitor a forum when I could just open up my email and see if I have 
any messages in my mailboxes. Perhaps a forum that allowed submission 
via email and would send all posts to a mailing list, or just having the 
mailing list archive in a way that it looked like a forum.



Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable.

On 12/20/2011 5:14 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[Clement Chou]

I would agree with that! I was shocked when I read the thread title... I 
don't even remember when I last played that game. haha
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It's been years sinse I played that game, so I'd love to see it back, also 
it means I can update the audiogames.net page for it too so everyone can 
find it.


I deffinately had fun tormenting old Saint nick :D.

Beware the grue!

dark.
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Subject: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge



Hi all,

A little while ago I headed over to
http://www.blindsoftware.com
and noticed that Bobby's Revenge doesn't seem to be listed on the BSC
Games section any more. After that I looked through several back up
cds and found the game. I was wondering since Justin doesn't seem to
be supporting and hosting the game any longer if there is any interest
in having USA Games host the game. If there isn't much interest in
this game any more I won't upload it, but if there are some people out
there who doesn't have it and still want to play it for Christmas let
me know and I'll upload it along side the other changes to the new
website.

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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Shard Workshop]

Actually, the right place is the thread in the official forum:
http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50

2011/12/20 shaun everiss 

> yes this is one of the places.
> The audiogames.net forum is another to.
> Its got more people on it but then it doesn't matter where you post your
> bugs to, a lot of people on here are in the forum including me, though I
> don't post often.
>
> At 11:24 p.m. 19/12/2011 +0100, you wrote:
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>> Hi all.
>> Is this a right place where to report Zerosight bugs and suggestions?
>> Thanks a lot.
>> Gabriele.
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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[shaun everiss]

Hmmm I havn't played that in ages.
It was one of the first christmas games.
I have it loaded on my system, but interest wise I donn't have muc now.
I mean compaired to something like kringle crash or the slightly 
older and non developed giftinam its really bad and crappy, but in 
its argument it was one of the first so should be posted anyway to 
show where we came from.
In its day of hmmm I forget but it was quite hard, though life for me 
has got quite bussy and I hardly manage to really play to many games 
these days.

At 11:08 a.m. 20/12/2011 -0500, you wrote:

Hi all,

A little while ago I headed over to
http://www.blindsoftware.com
and noticed that Bobby's Revenge doesn't seem to be listed on the BSC
Games section any more. After that I looked through several back up
cds and found the game. I was wondering since Justin doesn't seem to
be supporting and hosting the game any longer if there is any interest
in having USA Games host the game. If there isn't much interest in
this game any more I won't upload it, but if there are some people out
there who doesn't have it and still want to play it for Christmas let
me know and I'll upload it along side the other changes to the new
website.

Cheers!

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[shaun everiss]

I have noticed a small trend in the other direction, a lot of new 
stuff gets forumed sometimes and the lists left out for ages, so 
giving them a miss is probably not a good things eiter.

At 07:56 a.m. 20/12/2011 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Dark,

Well, right now I must say you and I are in the minority when it comes
to forums. I've gotten several e-mails on this topic today and clearly
public opinion is for a mailing list which we already have. That's
fine as far as it goes because the USA Games mailing lists don't get
all that much traffic. When people want to talk about STFC, MOTA, or
anything else they seem to go to Audyssey rather than the USA Games
list. So I don't want to drive even more people away which is why I
asked.

The developers list has suffered a similar fate. Before BGT came out
there were a few people interested in learning VB, C#, C++, Java,
Python, whatever to write their own games from scratch. Now, that BGT
is the tool of choice several of the potential developers are on the
BGT forum. I can't honestly blame them as BGT is certainly better than
trying to program an entire game or game engine from scratch in any
programming language.

That said, I like forums for basically the same reason you do. If I am
going to read a forum its nice to pop in, read a thread that is of
personal interest, and skip everything that isn't. I don't have to
first delete everything from my e-mail inbox I have no personal
interest in, and then read/reply to everything that is left. However,
it looks like most are comfortable with the current list setup we have
now on USA Games.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, dark  wrote:
> I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out of
> a forum but not with a mailing list.
>
> I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just
> getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum
> as and when I had the time.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[shaun everiss]

yes this is one of the places.
The audiogames.net forum is another to.
Its got more people on it but then it doesn't matter where you post 
your bugs to, a lot of people on here are in the forum including me, 
though I don't post often.

At 11:24 p.m. 19/12/2011 +0100, you wrote:

Hi all.
Is this a right place where to report Zerosight bugs and suggestions?
Thanks a lot.
Gabriele.

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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[Dennis Towne]

Elanor,

Unlike Dark, I don't understand why you would exclude online games in
this day and age.  It may have made sense a decade ago, but the fact
of the matter is that 'standalone' games are rapidly becoming the
minority.  Even now, I wouldn't be surprised if you were leaving half
of the available games off the table with the current listing
requirements.

The closest analogy I can come up with is that it's like making a list
of the all time greatest songs and leaving out anything that uses a
drum machine.

Given that the current 'top 25' list is set up more as 'top 25 plus a
bunch of extra lists for overflow material', perhaps it would be
better for the blind community to do some kind of multiple list or
hierarchical setup: the years best individual games, downloadable game
sites, online games, game developers, that sort of thing.  Right now,
the currently list is so widely variable in quality and landing page
type that its usefulness is diminished.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:35 AM, dark  wrote:
> Hi eleanor.
>
> while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as
> muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound
> rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is
> it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such
> as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client.
>
> Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which
> is also playable offline.
>
> while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of
> what does or does not count as "online" in this context would be a good
> thing,  and also as I said, might influence the final list.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Allen]

Hi, Thomas,

My vote is to keep the mailing list.  In my opinion forums are annoying and 
take too much time to navigate.


Allen

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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[Darren Harris]

Well you won another competition it seems so you got another 6 months prem
account 

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Good thought darren, but no online games unfortunately.

actualy i need to get back to Ce myself, I've been away for a week and at 
this time of year that's not so good.

too many good games to catch up on though especially sinse I'm just about to

perchice zero site :D.

Beware the grue!

Dark
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind


> What about core exiles http://www.core-exiles.com would this site count?
> Completely online accessible and the developers are quite approachable 
> where
> our needs are concerned.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
> Behalf Of dark
> Sent: 20 December 2011 11:36
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
>
> Hi eleanor.
>
> while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as
> muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound
> rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest 
> is
> it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available 
> such
> as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client.
>
> Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which
> is also playable offline.
>
> while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of
> what does or does not count as "online" in this context would be a good
> thing,  and also as I said, might influence the final list.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Yeah, I know what you mean about not having played the game in years.
I was in the mood for a Christmas game, something I hadn't played in
ages, and remembered Bobby's Revenge. That's when I tried to download
it, couldn't find it on blindsoftware.com, and went hunting for it on
my backup discs. Let's just say it was a huge surprise when I
installed the game and the Readme file said it was written in 2002,
and I know I haven't touched the thing since at least Christmas 2006
or so. :D

Anyway, I was thinking of audiogames.net when I thought about hosting
the game. Its not a fantastic game, but I admit having fun zapping St.
Nick with the taser every time he tries to get away from my paintball
gun. Lol!

On 12/20/11, dark  wrote:
> It's been years sinse I played that game, so I'd love to see it back, also
> it means I can update the audiogames.net page for it too so everyone can
> find it.
>
> I deffinately had fun tormenting old Saint nick :D.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[john]

I'd personally like to see it hosted somewhere, just so that the 
game is still playable. While I personally keep a vhd just for my 
game setup files, I found the USA games archives invaluable in 
getting my original collection, and can see others having the 
same experience.


- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward http://www.blindsoftware.com
and noticed that Bobby's Revenge doesn't seem to be listed on the 
BSC
Games section any more. After that I looked through several back 
up
cds and found the game. I was wondering since Justin doesn't seem 
to
be supporting and hosting the game any longer if there is any 
interest
in having USA Games host the game. If there isn't much interest 
in
this game any more I won't upload it, but if there are some 
people out
there who doesn't have it and still want to play it for Christmas 
let
me know and I'll upload it along side the other changes to the 
new

website.

Cheers!

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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[dark]

Good thought darren, but no online games unfortunately.

actualy i need to get back to Ce myself, I've been away for a week and at 
this time of year that's not so good.


too many good games to catch up on though especially sinse I'm just about to 
perchice zero site :D.


Beware the grue!

Dark
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind



What about core exiles http://www.core-exiles.com would this site count?
Completely online accessible and the developers are quite approachable 
where

our needs are concerned.

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: 20 December 2011 11:36
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

Hi eleanor.

while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as
muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound
rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest 
is
it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available 
such

as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client.

Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which
is also playable offline.

while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of
what does or does not count as "online" in this context would be a good
thing,  and also as I said, might influence the final list.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[dark]

It's been years sinse I played that game, so I'd love to see it back, also 
it means I can update the audiogames.net page for it too so everyone can 
find it.


I deffinately had fun tormenting old Saint nick :D.

Beware the grue!

dark.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:08 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge



Hi all,

A little while ago I headed over to
http://www.blindsoftware.com
and noticed that Bobby's Revenge doesn't seem to be listed on the BSC
Games section any more. After that I looked through several back up
cds and found the game. I was wondering since Justin doesn't seem to
be supporting and hosting the game any longer if there is any interest
in having USA Games host the game. If there isn't much interest in
this game any more I won't upload it, but if there are some people out
there who doesn't have it and still want to play it for Christmas let
me know and I'll upload it along side the other changes to the new
website.

Cheers!

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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[Michael Taboada]

Hi,
Personally I don't have it right now and I haven't played it in forever 
either. It would be nice to get it again.

-Michael.


-Original Message- 
From: Darren Duff

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

Yeah I haven't played that game in forever!

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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:08 AM
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Subject: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

Hi all,

A little while ago I headed over to
http://www.blindsoftware.com
and noticed that Bobby's Revenge doesn't seem to be listed on the BSC Games
section any more. After that I looked through several back up cds and found
the game. I was wondering since Justin doesn't seem to be supporting and
hosting the game any longer if there is any interest in having USA Games
host the game. If there isn't much interest in this game any more I won't
upload it, but if there are some people out there who doesn't have it and
still want to play it for Christmas let me know and I'll upload it along
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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Dallas O'Brien]

far enough. perhaps an idea with the navigation would be to have it as a 
toggle, so you can choose which system you prefer?
if i may ask, where does the current system of direction come from? so 
as i may understand it a little better.

best regards
dallas


On 20/12/2011 22:47, Shard Workshop wrote:

As soon as the patch will be ready, it will freely downloadable from http:
www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight for anyone who bought the game. The ones
with the demo will just need to re download it.

On the compass matter, everyone may be right. We know that 0 North is
something a lot of you are used, but we're receiving also positive review
from people who like 90 North, so it's probably a matter of preference!

As for some of the flying tricks, you are right, Zero Sight is not a
perfect simulator, but we HAD to relax some realistic aspects to gran a bit
of playability. Anyway, when you shut your engines a real plan does not
fall like an anvil or like wile e. coyote :D. You have momentum, so you'll
still be flying a bit forward.

As for Mario, yes using the official forum would be really the best thing :D

We are glad that you all like the game people, Keep flying and spread the
word!!

2011/12/20 Mario


hi,


Lorenzo wrote:

If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support
thread, 
http://www.shardworkshop.com/**forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50

I think that you can use also this thread.


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Re: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[Darren Duff]

Yeah I haven't played that game in forever! 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:08 AM
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Subject: [Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

Hi all,

A little while ago I headed over to
http://www.blindsoftware.com
and noticed that Bobby's Revenge doesn't seem to be listed on the BSC Games
section any more. After that I looked through several back up cds and found
the game. I was wondering since Justin doesn't seem to be supporting and
hosting the game any longer if there is any interest in having USA Games
host the game. If there isn't much interest in this game any more I won't
upload it, but if there are some people out there who doesn't have it and
still want to play it for Christmas let me know and I'll upload it along
side the other changes to the new website.

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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[Darren Harris]

What about core exiles http://www.core-exiles.com would this site count?
Completely online accessible and the developers are quite approachable where
our needs are concerned.

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Sent: 20 December 2011 11:36
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

Hi eleanor.

while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as
muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound
rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is
it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such
as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client.

Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which
is also playable offline.

while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of
what does or does not count as "online" in this context would be a good
thing,  and also as I said, might influence the final list.

Beware the grue!

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[Audyssey] Bobby's Revenge

[Thomas Ward]

Hi all,

A little while ago I headed over to
http://www.blindsoftware.com
and noticed that Bobby's Revenge doesn't seem to be listed on the BSC
Games section any more. After that I looked through several back up
cds and found the game. I was wondering since Justin doesn't seem to
be supporting and hosting the game any longer if there is any interest
in having USA Games host the game. If there isn't much interest in
this game any more I won't upload it, but if there are some people out
there who doesn't have it and still want to play it for Christmas let
me know and I'll upload it along side the other changes to the new
website.

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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Ron Schamerhorn]

While I haven't yet played the game, I also find it odd to think of east as 
zero.  I've never seen that used before in a game, map or atlas.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!


Hi,

I personally think for a game like Zero Sight you should stick to the
bearing system with 0 as north because that is pretty standard for any
flight simulation or space sim. Plus other sims like Tank Commander,
Lone Wolf, etc also use 0 as north when giving directions to enemy
targets etc.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, Shard Workshop  wrote:
> As soon as the patch will be ready, it will freely downloadable from http:
> www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight for anyone who bought the game. The ones
> with the demo will just need to re download it.
>
> On the compass matter, everyone may be right. We know that 0 North is
> something a lot of you are used, but we're receiving also positive review
> from people who like 90 North, so it's probably a matter of preference!
>
> As for some of the flying tricks, you are right, Zero Sight is not a
> perfect simulator, but we HAD to relax some realistic aspects to gran a 
> bit
> of playability. Anyway, when you shut your engines a real plan does not
> fall like an anvil or like wile e. coyote :D. You have momentum, so you'll
> still be flying a bit forward.
>
> As for Mario, yes using the official forum would be really the best thing 
> :D
>
> We are glad that you all like the game people, Keep flying and spread the
> word!!
>

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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

[Trouble]

Hit s and it will give you speed.

At 09:25 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote:

Hi,

How do you determine the speed instead of the engine power?

Thanks.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

[Shard Workshop]

Press the S key.
Please remember that all these informations are in the manual!

2011/12/20 Kelly Sapergia 

> Hi,
>
> How do you determine the speed instead of the engine power?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
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> Show Host and Production Director
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Re: [Audyssey] an error in Zero sight

[Shard Workshop]

No, they are pretty much random. They are needed to be sure that you have
selected an airport (the airports are the only items that are identified
with a three-digit number)!

Hayden, a special "thank you" for you for the user-to-user suppor you are
doing!

2011/12/20 Hayden Presley 

> Hi Lorenzo,
> So, when browisn g through the airports, I notice they are identified with
> a
> three-digit number. Is there significance to which number comes first?
>
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
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> Behalf Of Shard Workshop
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:51 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] an error in Zero sight
>
> This is a well know bug, that we managed to track down and fix. The fix
> will be included in the next patch. For the moment be sure to be have an
> airport selected when you pres F1, F2 or F3. To be sure of your selection,
> press F11 untile the Flying Interface says "browsing airports" and then
> press F9 to cycle through the airports.
>
> 2011/12/20 Lukáš Kakara 
>
> > Hi my friends,
> > please help me. When I launch the demo of this fantastic game, I start my
> > aircraft and fly, but if I want to land and press F3key to ask control
> > towet, this log file is view:
> > ERROR in
> > action number 1
> > of Key Press Event for F3 Key
> > for object Player:
> >
> > Error in code at line 3:
> >
> >if (global.selairport.ray == 20)
> >
> > at position 28: Unknown variable ray
> >
> >
> >
> > Please, what can I do? Is it only my problem? Or in the demo is not
> > possible landing? Thank you very much.
> >
> > --
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[Audyssey] Rs games latest version doesn't work

[burakyuksek]

Hi,
Please, can you tell me why, rsgames latest version doesn't work. I deleted the 
log file to see what happens, then I reinstalled the client, but the log file 
didn't come back again! So I cannot send you the log file. When it comes to the 
problem, program directly opens and closes like  the smallest possible bgt 
script.
saygılar sevgiler.
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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

I personally think for a game like Zero Sight you should stick to the
bearing system with 0 as north because that is pretty standard for any
flight simulation or space sim. Plus other sims like Tank Commander,
Lone Wolf, etc also use 0 as north when giving directions to enemy
targets etc.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, Shard Workshop  wrote:
> As soon as the patch will be ready, it will freely downloadable from http:
> www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight for anyone who bought the game. The ones
> with the demo will just need to re download it.
>
> On the compass matter, everyone may be right. We know that 0 North is
> something a lot of you are used, but we're receiving also positive review
> from people who like 90 North, so it's probably a matter of preference!
>
> As for some of the flying tricks, you are right, Zero Sight is not a
> perfect simulator, but we HAD to relax some realistic aspects to gran a bit
> of playability. Anyway, when you shut your engines a real plan does not
> fall like an anvil or like wile e. coyote :D. You have momentum, so you'll
> still be flying a bit forward.
>
> As for Mario, yes using the official forum would be really the best thing :D
>
> We are glad that you all like the game people, Keep flying and spread the
> word!!
>

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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

[Kelly Sapergia]

Hi,

How do you determine the speed instead of the engine power?

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
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Re: [Audyssey] Update on IOS games Gamebooks Adventures.

[Ian McNamara]

Hi michael the one you've mentioned is the only one i know of. How ever if any 
one elss reading this email could give us some i'd be grateful.

thanks very much.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[burakyuksek]

Hi,
I prefer forums, because you  can see previous posts the people wrote. In 
mails, it is more confusing.

saygilar sevgiler.
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From: "Trouble" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



I like mail, it lets me read only what I want.
I like forms too, but you have to read all the stuff you don't want to get 
to what you do want. The same goes for wickys.


At 05:14 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote:

Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game: Apples to Apples!

[Hayden Presley]

Hi,
Especially since I've actually replaced the sounds for a few games and it is
exasperating to continuly have to do it over and over again. And I didn't
see anywhere where that was illegal.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Game: Apples to Apples!

Hi, Yes i agree with all of Michael's suggestions here. I think it would be
grate to have the cliant on i o s devices, also i like the idea of the
client autamatticly updating. Another suggestion i have is when you down
load the new verssion you have to keep redownloading the sounds for the
games, is there a way maybey that the games you've all ready downloaded the
sounds for can be remembered then you would only have to down load the
sounds for the new games.

thanks very much.

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Re: [Audyssey] an error in Zero sight

[Hayden Presley]

Hi Lorenzo,
So, when browisn g through the airports, I notice they are identified with a
three-digit number. Is there significance to which number comes first?

Best Regards,
Hayden

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Behalf Of Shard Workshop
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:51 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] an error in Zero sight

This is a well know bug, that we managed to track down and fix. The fix
will be included in the next patch. For the moment be sure to be have an
airport selected when you pres F1, F2 or F3. To be sure of your selection,
press F11 untile the Flying Interface says "browsing airports" and then
press F9 to cycle through the airports.

2011/12/20 Lukáš Kakara 

> Hi my friends,
> please help me. When I launch the demo of this fantastic game, I start my
> aircraft and fly, but if I want to land and press F3key to ask control
> towet, this log file is view:
> ERROR in
> action number 1
> of Key Press Event for F3 Key
> for object Player:
>
> Error in code at line 3:
>
>if (global.selairport.ray == 20)
>
> at position 28: Unknown variable ray
>
>
>
> Please, what can I do? Is it only my problem? Or in the demo is not
> possible landing? Thank you very much.
>
> --
> Lukáš Kakara
>
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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[QuentinC]

Sorry for those who get this message twice, but since the topic has been 
opened on both audissay and developers mailing-list, I decided to 
forward my opinion on both lists too.



Hello,

I personnally prefer forums over mailing-lists, if the forum web pages 
are made accessible.


For me, advantages of forums over mailing-lists are :
1 - Discussions are sorted into distinct topicc, it's easier to read or 
follow a complete discussion, or go back to what a particular person 
said a few

time ago in a given topic.
2 - If you aren't interested in a specific topic, just ignore it. In a 
mailing list you have to delete all messages having the subject line you 
don't want.


3 - I often find that mailing-lists are  more spammy than forums. You 
don't want to discuss, just don't go on the forum website. With 
mailing-lists you
anyway see all these messages, because you anyway open your mail client 
to get important messages (work, school, etc.)


If you can, use one which is accessible and alow quick response (write 
your response on the same page as the messages without the need to open 
a special

edition page)
The one which is on audiogames.net is a good forum for example.


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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[dark]

Hi Tom.

I agree on forums.

As long as it's not a silly board with links everywhere and a less than 
accessible setup, i've never had problems navigating forums, and it's easy 
enough to skip down from post to post by tabbing and then just reading the 
ones I want, or going streight to the bottom with hal's jump to eddit area 
key.


If people aren't as used to using webpage navigation to jump to button, jump 
to edit area or skip paragraphs I could see the problem with forums 
generally, but for myself as long as the forum is a logically layed out one.


I have nothing against mailing lists, it's just that while if I miss a 
couple of days on a forum it's not a big deal sinse I can just skip in and 
read most recent content, mailing lists I have to keep up with or my inbox 
just gets over full, especially when discussions take place that I'm not 
included in.


At the moment I really can't afford to be on another list, which is why I'd 
be in favour of a Usa games forum, sinse while I'm willing to drop into any 
forum and post occasionally (as indeed I have on many for online games like 
core exiles), I'd rather not be on more mailing lists, and indeed stopped my 
subscription to the Usa games list for this reason.


Beware the grue!

Dark.


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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi Dark,

Well, right now I must say you and I are in the minority when it comes
to forums. I've gotten several e-mails on this topic today and clearly
public opinion is for a mailing list which we already have. That's
fine as far as it goes because the USA Games mailing lists don't get
all that much traffic. When people want to talk about STFC, MOTA, or
anything else they seem to go to Audyssey rather than the USA Games
list. So I don't want to drive even more people away which is why I
asked.

The developers list has suffered a similar fate. Before BGT came out
there were a few people interested in learning VB, C#, C++, Java,
Python, whatever to write their own games from scratch. Now, that BGT
is the tool of choice several of the potential developers are on the
BGT forum. I can't honestly blame them as BGT is certainly better than
trying to program an entire game or game engine from scratch in any
programming language.

That said, I like forums for basically the same reason you do. If I am
going to read a forum its nice to pop in, read a thread that is of
personal interest, and skip everything that isn't. I don't have to
first delete everything from my e-mail inbox I have no personal
interest in, and then read/reply to everything that is left. However,
it looks like most are comfortable with the current list setup we have
now on USA Games.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, dark  wrote:
I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out 
of

a forum but not with a mailing list.

I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just
getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a 
forum

as and when I had the time.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Update on IOS games Gamebooks Adventures.

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Hello, Ian.
I have one thing to ask, and that is could you give me a list of the 
different game books for the IOS platform?

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Re: [Audyssey] Update on IOS games Gamebooks Adventures.

[Ian McNamara]

Hi michael, this is grate news. Just prooves that good advice and righting 
skills can help. I will take a look at this app when it is accessable i like 
playing game books.

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[Audyssey] Update on IOS games Gamebooks Adventures.

[michael barnes]

Hey, All.
After sending the message that I posted on here the other day, I just 
recieved a reply from the developer.
He inform me that he has just finish a new game engine for the 
Gamebooks Adventures games, and since he has develop this new engine it 
will work with voice over.

He did let me know that as soon as it is complete he will inform me.
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Re: [Audyssey] Changing synth in playroom

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Hi i play the play room my user name is ianandriggs.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Dark,

Well, right now I must say you and I are in the minority when it comes
to forums. I've gotten several e-mails on this topic today and clearly
public opinion is for a mailing list which we already have. That's
fine as far as it goes because the USA Games mailing lists don't get
all that much traffic. When people want to talk about STFC, MOTA, or
anything else they seem to go to Audyssey rather than the USA Games
list. So I don't want to drive even more people away which is why I
asked.

The developers list has suffered a similar fate. Before BGT came out
there were a few people interested in learning VB, C#, C++, Java,
Python, whatever to write their own games from scratch. Now, that BGT
is the tool of choice several of the potential developers are on the
BGT forum. I can't honestly blame them as BGT is certainly better than
trying to program an entire game or game engine from scratch in any
programming language.

That said, I like forums for basically the same reason you do. If I am
going to read a forum its nice to pop in, read a thread that is of
personal interest, and skip everything that isn't. I don't have to
first delete everything from my e-mail inbox I have no personal
interest in, and then read/reply to everything that is left. However,
it looks like most are comfortable with the current list setup we have
now on USA Games.

Cheers!

On 12/20/11, dark  wrote:
> I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out of
> a forum but not with a mailing list.
>
> I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just
> getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum
> as and when I had the time.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Changing synth in playroom

[burakyuksek]

Hey Dark,
Sorry  for the off-topic but what is your username on there?
saygilar sevgiler.
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From: "dark" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Changing synth in playroom



Hi.

I'm trying out the Quentin C playroom, but I see no options to change 
synth. hal will work fine at reading text and checking buttons, but I'd 
rather not have to use the dolphin curser.


I thought there was a sapi option, but can't find anything to set screen 
reader output, and certainly sapi isn't working by default.


Any advice would be appreciated.

all the best,

Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] an error in Zero sight

[Shard Workshop]

This is a well know bug, that we managed to track down and fix. The fix
will be included in the next patch. For the moment be sure to be have an
airport selected when you pres F1, F2 or F3. To be sure of your selection,
press F11 untile the Flying Interface says "browsing airports" and then
press F9 to cycle through the airports.

2011/12/20 Lukáš Kakara 

> Hi my friends,
> please help me. When I launch the demo of this fantastic game, I start my
> aircraft and fly, but if I want to land and press F3key to ask control
> towet, this log file is view:
> ERROR in
> action number 1
> of Key Press Event for F3 Key
> for object Player:
>
> Error in code at line 3:
>
>if (global.selairport.ray == 20)
>
> at position 28: Unknown variable ray
>
>
>
> Please, what can I do? Is it only my problem? Or in the demo is not
> possible landing? Thank you very much.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] zero sight comments

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Zachary and Hayen are perfectly right here ;).
Thanks for the user-to-user support

2011/12/20 Hayden Presley 

> Hi,
> I can understand that. The way I see it is that if you train your ear, you
> can catch the relevant information. In addition, it would be easy to miss
> something vital to whatever you are trying to do.
>
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
>
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> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:34 PM
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> Subject: [Audyssey] zero sight comments
>
> Hi, Listers,
>
> I have been playing the demo and finally got into the air but my engines
> stalled and I crashed which was actually cool.  However, even with my
> screen
> reader off, too often there are two many voices talking at once and it
> becomes often impossible to hear the report when I press z for my altitude
> or s for my speed for example.  Could it be possible to create a patch that
> stops the current voice or voices when you press a button to get a certain
> piece of information?  Just my two cents.
>
> Sincerely,
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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

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As soon as the patch will be ready, it will freely downloadable from http:
www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight for anyone who bought the game. The ones
with the demo will just need to re download it.

On the compass matter, everyone may be right. We know that 0 North is
something a lot of you are used, but we're receiving also positive review
from people who like 90 North, so it's probably a matter of preference!

As for some of the flying tricks, you are right, Zero Sight is not a
perfect simulator, but we HAD to relax some realistic aspects to gran a bit
of playability. Anyway, when you shut your engines a real plan does not
fall like an anvil or like wile e. coyote :D. You have momentum, so you'll
still be flying a bit forward.

As for Mario, yes using the official forum would be really the best thing :D

We are glad that you all like the game people, Keep flying and spread the
word!!

2011/12/20 Mario 

> hi,
>
>
> Lorenzo wrote:
>
> If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support
> thread, 
> http://www.shardworkshop.com/**forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50
>
> I think that you can use also this thread.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Thomas,
I visit forums only after an announcement is posted to a list.
I prefer the forums that have the link to the gam at the top with a comment 
by the developer and the postings in the order of the most recent right 
below the top.
 I find it hard to go from forum message to message without having to read 
all the information inbetween.

I don't care how many messages that person has posted.
Is there a hot key to get tot he text of each message bypassing all the 
stuff inbetween?
So I usually like lists better as I can read the subject and delete the 
message with one key stroke.
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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

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I personally prefer a mailing list, as I have found that I hardly use 
online forums such as Audio games.net. I just do not really find it that 
convenient for me.

Alfredo

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game: Apples to Apples!

[Ian McNamara]

Hi, Yes i agree with all of Michael's suggestions here. I think it would be 
grate to have the cliant on i o s devices, also i like the idea of the client 
autamatticly updating. Another suggestion i have is when you down load the new 
verssion you have to keep redownloading the sounds for the games, is there a 
way maybey that the games you've all ready downloaded the sounds for can be 
remembered then you would only have to down load the sounds for the new games.

thanks very much.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Darren Duff]

I think E-mail lists are just snappier. 

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Hello, i like email lists better if i had to pick a prefforance as i find
forams hard to navigate.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

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Hello, i like email lists better if i had to pick a prefforance as i find 
forams hard to navigate.

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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Che,

Yeah, I don't get it either. You have only been around since 2007 or
so and have made a huge impact in the audio games community with Rail
Racer and your BA Card Room.Your products have been very
revolutionary, and I think belongs on any top 10 or top 25 audio game
lists. So thumbs up to you for doing such a great job. I'd like to
know the reasoning as to why BA isn't given the credit it definitely
deserves.

Cheers!




On 12/19/11, Che  wrote:
>Hi Dark,
>Yah man, I know it was in the extra section, and I emailed Eleanor
> earlier this year about it, but it seems to me if the list is made up of
> sites that have an impact on audio gaming and the community, BA should
> be in the main list.
>There are several sites on that list that have only one or two games,
> and few games that have the complexity of Rail Racer, and no sites that
> have the feature set of the BA card room.
>With over 250 current paying customers and over 2000 trial accounts
> over the past 3 years, I'd say BA deserves its place in the pond, eh?
>Sorry for the excessive horn tooting, but sometimes card games get
> dismissed as something anybody can code out in a weekend. What we've
> created at BA is a very intricate set of features and options, leaving
> things as open ended as possible to the end user, and a lot of blood
> sweat and tears has gone into making the interface as efficient as
> possible.  Ok, no blood or sweat, but I almost cried once when I stubbed
> my toe sitting at my computer chair.
>
>I think however I may be confused still about how the list is
> generated, there was something about not listing online games, which I
> never quite understood, if anyone can explain that to me more, I'd
> appreciate it.  I think playing online is the best way of playing audio
> games, as your going up against other humans, the most dangerous game so
> to speak.
>Also, kudos to these guys for making a list and helping to get the
> word out there about accessible games, no matter where BA ends up, glad
> you guys are doing this.
>As for Jeremy's site, I would definately rank it top 10 at this
> point.  Nobody has done more in less time than Jeremy in the history of
> audio games, and we need to encourage him all we can to keep up the
> great work.
>One last thing, I think free games have been given a leg up when it
> comes to making the list over commercial games, but the card room is as
> close to free as I can make it and maintain a dedicated server and a
> high level of tech support.
>At less than a dollar a week, its difficult to find less expensive
> entertainment with such high attention to detail and features.
>Later gang,
>Che

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Mich]

Hi I persenley prefer a mailing list since I really don't go on forims that 
offen and find the mailing list more handy. hth. from Mich.
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From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums


I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out 
of a forum but not with a mailing list.


I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just 
getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum 
as and when I had the time.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Subject: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
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to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[dark]

I'd personally prefer a forum, sinse it's possible to pop in and pop out of 
a forum but not with a mailing list.


I had to unsubscribe from the Usagames mailing list because I was just 
getting far too much mail to read, but would be happy to drop into a forum 
as and when I had the time.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums



Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

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Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[dark]

Hi eleanor.

while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as 
muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound 
rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is 
it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such 
as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client.


Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which 
is also playable offline.


while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of 
what does or does not count as "online" in this context would be a good 
thing,  and also as I said, might influence the final list.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight

[dark]

Did you put the landing gear down? You didn't mention it but that's another 
thing that needs doing.


I've also found that altering the vertical heading needs to be done pretty 
quickly.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: "Kelly Sapergia" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:36 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Need Help Taking Off In Zero Sight



Hi,

I'm trying the demo version of Zero Sight, and so far like the sounds. 
However, I can't seem to get the plane to take off. After getting 
authorization from the Control Tower by first pressing F3 then F1, I press 
F to open the flaps, B to release the Ground Brakes, and the Page Up and 
Page Down keys to turn on the engines. Next, I get the speed to 46 with 
the Plus key on the numeric keypad, and the vertical heading to 38 using 
the Down arrow key. After that, the plane just sits there, at least from 
what I hear. If I wait at least three or more minutes, I end up crashing. 
Am I missing a step in getting the plane to go up?


Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net
Business Website: www.kjsproductions.com


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Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind

[dark]

Hi che.

No problem tooting the Ba horn, that's indeed why I make such a point of the 
features that the cardroom has on it's audiogames.net page, sinse you've 
done a great job there.


i believe "online" didn't mean games with online capability (afterall they 
list sound rts), but actual online brouser based or mud games like Core 
exiles, kingdom of Loathing, Sryth or materiamagica.


As to how the list is generated I'm not actually sure myself, indeed I must 
confess in past years some sites that have made it onto the list have rather 
confused me,  for instance gamesfortheblind, sinse their games are 
essentially commercial eloquence versions of games that are mostly available 
in better versions from other people, or able gamers, which while a great 
organization for other sorts of game access doesn't have too much on Blind 
or vi access specifically (while a good site to check, i'd not personally 
put it in the top 25).


Stil, as you said, it's good the list is being compiled, and indeed it's 
interesting to see what makes it where.


Hope Ba goes well.

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Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Trouble]

I like mail, it lets me read only what I want.
I like forms too, but you have to read all the stuff you don't want 
to get to what you do want. The same goes for wickys.


At 05:14 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote:

Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
changes in that direction. How many of you are in favor of switching
to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

Thanks.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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[Audyssey] an error in Zero sight

[Lukáš Kakara]

Hi my friends,
please help me. When I launch the demo of this fantastic game, I start 
my aircraft and fly, but if I want to land and press F3key to ask 
control towet, this log file is view:

ERROR in
action number 1
of Key Press Event for F3 Key
for object Player:

Error in code at line 3:

if (global.selairport.ray == 20)

at position 28: Unknown variable ray



Please, what can I do? Is it only my problem? Or in the demo is not 
possible landing? Thank you very much.


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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Mario]

hi,

Lorenzo wrote:

If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support
thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50

I think that you can use also this thread.

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game: Apples to Apples!

[michael barnes]

Hello, Ryan.
Thanks for the update!
I would like to make a suggestion for the next version that comes out.
Is it possible to add a feature that would allow the client to 
automatically update when the client is launch?
Another cool idea would be to have a feature in the client call offline 
mode, in that mode people who are not connected to the internet could 
still play against the computer.
Finally I would love to see a IOS version of the client, since alot of 
people on here have a IOS device.
It would be great to be able to pull out my phone and play on the 
client when I'm not at home!


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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[Il primo cittadino]

Hi all.
Is this a right place where to report Zerosight bugs and suggestions?
Thanks a lot.
Gabriele.

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[Audyssey] USA Games Mailing Lists or Forums

[Thomas Ward]

Hi everyone,

Over the last few days I have been actively rewriting and updating the
USA Games web pages, scripts, etc for 2012, and among the changes I'm
considering is replacing the USA Games mailing list and developers
list with an online forum similar to Audiogames.net or the BGT forum.
I'm interested in your opinions on this before I make any serious
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to an online forum and how many of you would rather stick to a mailing
list for discussion?

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Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Re: [Audyssey] moderator duties - Re: Close Topic Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Charles,

that's very true, and I thank you for your support. I think a lot of
people forget the moderators have lives outside this list too, we go
shopping, go out to dinner, watch a couple of movies, and just that
fast a topic that was more or less on topic changed direction and
quickly got further and further from the initial subject matter. It is
especially true when a topic or subject under discussion happens to be
somewhat of a gray area to begin with.

For example, while this list is primarily for discussing games we
sometimes allow people to ask programming questions on list if it
happens to be game related. It has always been somewhat of a gray area
because it may be game related, but depending on how specific the
question is it may fall more on the programming side of the fence or
more on the game related side of the fence. Its up to a good moderator
to decide how on topic that subject matter is rather than just ban the
topic outright in my opinion.

The same principle applies to the discussion we just had about blind
gamers being taken seriously. Again, its a gray area because it wasn't
just about gaming, and included such topics as how to properly
approach mainstream developers that involved talking about proper
formatting, punctuation, grammar, spelling, etc. Initially I felt the
subject matter was constructive for most people so let it slide, even
actively posted on the topic myself, but after I spent a day away from
the list  the subject got into arguing about if the list  should
change the guidelines to proofread or not, people started to flame
other list members, and I could tell an argument was beginning to
start. When I saw where things were going I pulled the plug in a hurry
to prevent a flame war. What i did was simply make a judgment call
based on the state of the topic at the time, and decided to shut it
down.  I'm certainly not perfect, never pretended to be, but I do
moderate this list to the best of my abilities using my own judgment
to allow a conversation to continue or kill it when I think it has
gotten out of hand or too far off topic.

Cheers!


On 12/19/11, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> A good topic came from this previous topic.  Maybe a moderator can better
> inform us on what they do?  A complaint has been posted about moderators
> letting a thread continue until they have commented on it, then suddenly
> close it.  One thing to consider is the amount of work that goes into
> moderating a large list while also having other time consuming life and work
> issues.  Threads may go on for only 2 or 3 days, and everyone is lengthening
> them rapidly, so you get bombarded with messages on 1 topic.  Meanwhile, a
> moderator returns from a weekend of leisure, or they come home from a work
> related trip, and, Holy smoke!  What the heck's been going on while I was
> away!  I'd better get busy on this one!
>
> This is why there are more than one moderator, but even that will not
> prevent such an occurrence.  Let's give these hard working and dedicated
> guys a well deserved break from nonconstructive criticism, OK?
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Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!

[shaun everiss]

will there be a patch for those that have the file or will we have to 
redownload



The first patch will add the shortcuts! And who is downloading now should
yet have them.
Thanks for the feedback!

2011/12/19 Hayden Presley 

> Hi Lorenzo,
> Perhaps you might consider adding the manual to the program group? That
> tends to be the standard. And I just sent an eMail regarding my order:
> ignore it. It seems as if my download got sent before the confirmation
> eMail...lol
>
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
> Behalf Of Shard Workshop
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:24 PM
> To: raydar11...@yahoo.com; Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
>
> It is in the game folder. The default is c:\program files\shard
> workshop\zero sight.
>
> 2011/12/19 Reinhard Stebner 
>
> > I am looking for the manual and I am unable to find it. I cannot find it
> on
> > the website for in the program group in the start menu.
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Shard Workshop
> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:02 PM
> > To: Gamers Discussion list
> > Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
> >
> > Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its
> real
> > initiation in the world of audiogaming.
> >
> > Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight,
> > has been released just now.
> >
> > You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight
> >
> > We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be
> > 100% that it works on your machine.
> >
> > If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support
> > thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50
> >
> > We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and
> > audiogames that will really change the way you play.
> >
> > Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution...
> >
> > Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think.
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