Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o
Last time I had to figure this out, this link was the key: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:23 PM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com wrote: We (Storm) have added a few committers/PPMC members, but they aren’t listed under the project on people.apache.org. Poking through the code to generate that site, it looks like that information comes from LDAP. What is the process for updating that information (both now and post-graduation)? Thanks in advance. -Taylor
Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o
From what I recall, the information in people.a.o is generated from FOAF files, which are committed to a repo. See [1] for details. ap [1] http://people.apache.org/foaf/index.html
Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o
On 11 September 2014 23:06, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I had to figure this out, this link was the key: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess LDAP is not used for Incubator podling members. Podling groups are defined in the asf-authorization file. I just checked http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#storm and it agrees with the asf-auth entry: storm=cutting,tdunning,arvind,ddas,mfranklin,benh,xumingming,afeng,mrflip,ptgoetz,bobby,dagit,nathanmarz BTW, it's a good idea to keep the list in alpha order - helps prevent duplicates and easier to check for omissions. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:23 PM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com wrote: We (Storm) have added a few committers/PPMC members, but they aren’t listed under the project on people.apache.org. Poking through the code to generate that site, it looks like that information comes from LDAP. What is the process for updating that information (both now and post-graduation)? Thanks in advance. -Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o
On 12 September 2014 00:12, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 September 2014 23:06, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I had to figure this out, this link was the key: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess LDAP is not used for Incubator podling members. That page is for PMCs, so does not apply to podlings. Podling groups are defined in the asf-authorization file. I just checked http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#storm and it agrees with the asf-auth entry: storm=cutting,tdunning,arvind,ddas,mfranklin,benh,xumingming,afeng,mrflip,ptgoetz,bobby,dagit,nathanmarz BTW, it's a good idea to keep the list in alpha order - helps prevent duplicates and easier to check for omissions. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:23 PM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com wrote: We (Storm) have added a few committers/PPMC members, but they aren’t listed under the project on people.apache.org. Poking through the code to generate that site, it looks like that information comes from LDAP. What is the process for updating that information (both now and post-graduation)? Thanks in advance. -Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o
Thanks Ted, Andrew, and sebb, FOAF files were one of first thing I checked, but I don't have a FOAF file, yet I (ptgoetz) am still listed as a member of Storm on p.a.o. I can confirm that some of the new members have commit rights to our git repo, but still aren't listed as members on p.a.o. The whole process seems a bit like voodoo. Is it different post graduation? Since building community is paramount to Apache projects, I want to make sure we know exactly how to deal with setting up new members prior to graduation. If it would help, I'd be glad to help document it for the incubator once I know what the actual process is. -Taylor On Sep 11, 2014, at 7:14 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 September 2014 00:12, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 September 2014 23:06, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I had to figure this out, this link was the key: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess LDAP is not used for Incubator podling members. That page is for PMCs, so does not apply to podlings. Podling groups are defined in the asf-authorization file. I just checked http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#storm and it agrees with the asf-auth entry: storm=cutting,tdunning,arvind,ddas,mfranklin,benh,xumingming,afeng,mrflip,ptgoetz,bobby,dagit,nathanmarz BTW, it's a good idea to keep the list in alpha order - helps prevent duplicates and easier to check for omissions. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:23 PM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com wrote: We (Storm) have added a few committers/PPMC members, but they aren’t listed under the project on people.apache.org. Poking through the code to generate that site, it looks like that information comes from LDAP. What is the process for updating that information (both now and post-graduation)? Thanks in advance. -Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:31 PM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Ted, Andrew, and sebb, FOAF files were one of first thing I checked, but I don't have a FOAF file, yet I (ptgoetz) am still listed as a member of Storm on p.a.o. I can confirm that some of the new members have commit rights to our git repo, but still aren't listed as members on p.a.o. The whole process seems a bit like voodoo. Is it different post graduation? Since building community is paramount to Apache projects, I want to make sure we know exactly how to deal with setting up new members prior to graduation. If it would help, I'd be glad to help document it for the incubator once I know what the actual process is. -Taylor Sebb is right - it's the svn auth piece (asf-auth-template) that calculates a lot of that for podlings . Git access is based on LDAP - and is much more coarse (so anyone in the incubator group can commit to any incubator project's git repo.) which is why your committers haven't had an issue. --David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
Done. Craig On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
Thanks, sorry about the out-of-order email responses. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: Done. Craig On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
Generally the mentors will do this for their respective podlings. On 02/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Brett Porter br...@apache.org http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
The site says that only the PMC chair, the ex-PMC chairs, and a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals have access to grant commit karma ... not arbitrary mentors. The site couldn't possibly be inaccurate, could it? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: Generally the mentors will do this for their respective podlings. On 02/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Brett Porter br...@apache.org http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
On 02/09/2010, at 11:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: The site says that only the PMC chair, the ex-PMC chairs, and a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals have access to grant commit karma ... not arbitrary mentors. The site couldn't possibly be inaccurate, could it? It's correct (the others with permission are infrastructure and the board, I'm not sure which of those you believe to be a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals :). Quite often there's an overlap in those groups and at least one of the mentors - or they'll at least be able to ask someone to help them out. I may have misinterpreted your message - I thought you were looking for someone to do all the incubator ones just created, but at least as far as I'm familiar with it, I thought the podlings handled it with whomever they have available or can find. - Brett -- Brett Porter br...@apache.org http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
Leaving my snarky remark aside, I can now analyze the disconnect in question. I misinterpreted you as meaning that *any* mentor should be able to do it, not that projects generally have at least one mentor who can. In my defense, I read the tone of that web page as suggesting that the people with enough access (whatever their visibility) are not terribly numerous. So I thought a message to general was the most efficient way to put a lit-up bat in the sky to attract someone. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: On 02/09/2010, at 11:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: The site says that only the PMC chair, the ex-PMC chairs, and a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals have access to grant commit karma ... not arbitrary mentors. The site couldn't possibly be inaccurate, could it? It's correct (the others with permission are infrastructure and the board, I'm not sure which of those you believe to be a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals :). Quite often there's an overlap in those groups and at least one of the mentors - or they'll at least be able to ask someone to help them out. I may have misinterpreted your message - I thought you were looking for someone to do all the incubator ones just created, but at least as far as I'm familiar with it, I thought the podlings handled it with whomever they have available or can find. - Brett -- Brett Porter br...@apache.org http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
Hi Benson, On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Leaving my snarky remark aside, I can now analyze the disconnect in question. I misinterpreted you as meaning that *any* mentor should be able to do it, not that projects generally have at least one mentor who can. In my defense, I read the tone of that web page as suggesting that the people with enough access (whatever their visibility) are not terribly numerous. So I thought a message to general was the most efficient way to put a lit-up bat in the sky to attract someone. For what it's worth, +1 to your asking on general for someone with karma to do the necessary. Craig On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: On 02/09/2010, at 11:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: The site says that only the PMC chair, the ex-PMC chairs, and a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals have access to grant commit karma ... not arbitrary mentors. The site couldn't possibly be inaccurate, could it? It's correct (the others with permission are infrastructure and the board, I'm not sure which of those you believe to be a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals :). Quite often there's an overlap in those groups and at least one of the mentors - or they'll at least be able to ask someone to help them out. I may have misinterpreted your message - I thought you were looking for someone to do all the incubator ones just created, but at least as far as I'm familiar with it, I thought the podlings handled it with whomever they have available or can find. - Brett -- Brett Porter br...@apache.org http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: new committers
Hi Benson, On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: The site says that only the PMC chair, the ex-PMC chairs, and a shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals have access to grant commit karma ... not arbitrary mentors. The site couldn't possibly be inaccurate, could it? The site is correct. Officers have karma, not arbitrary others. Craig On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: Generally the mentors will do this for their respective podlings. On 02/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Brett Porter br...@apache.org http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: New committers
On Apr 28, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Curt Arnold wrote: Good to see some new faces, but I'm curious about how it happened. I don't recall any discussion or votes and I didn't request new accounts or make changes to the SVN authorization file. Christian Grobmeier, as you said, was an obvious choice and wanted commit. He already had an account and his iCLA was on file, so I added him to the commit list for log4php. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Apr 28, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Curt Arnold wrote: Good to see some new faces, but I'm curious about how it happened. I don't recall any discussion or votes and I didn't request new accounts or make changes to the SVN authorization file. Christian Grobmeier, as you said, was an obvious choice and wanted commit. He already had an account and his iCLA was on file, so I added him to the commit list for log4php. I also support this decision. Sometimes it is necessary to be flexible to get moving again... Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Christian Grobmeier, as you said, was an obvious choice and wanted commit. He already had an account and his iCLA was on file, so I added him to the commit list for log4php. I also support this decision. Sometimes it is necessary to be flexible to get moving again... Even when the kind of getting into the project was a bit unusual - it has worked. Everything looks more alive now and even old log4php rockstars are back on stage. Thats great :-) Log4php is a too important project to die young Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: New committers
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:55:54PM -0700, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: What do you *want* to do? What makes most sense? well, MyFaces PMC is faster; but adffaces-ppmc has it's charme too. But... after adf is a subproject we'll need to delete this list. ^^^ archive/disable So, what is easier for you guys? Creating a mailing list is about 2-3 minutes of work, archiving it perhaps just a little more. Infrastructure is chronically lacking volunteers, but this kind of thing is nevertheless something that's ok to ask for :) I think we should take the time for creating a PPMC list. Should I bring it up to the INCUBATOR jira? Or the IPMC? Or Craig? who is our mentor. What's most important is that there's agreement before there's a request for resources. Get agreement somewhere ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is probably the wrong forum for that :) ), *then* file a jira issue as documented on www.apache.org/dev/. Craig can do that, but others can as well. As long as its clear the request is inline with policy and after a PMC agreed on it. The incubator PMC is on this list and some individuals have offered opinions; I don't think you need to ask for formal approval from us. The use of PPMC lists is established practice :) LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Leo et al. thanks for you valid input. The PPMC list has been created. (Before this thread started). Brett told us that, after I created a jira ticket for that. Now we use the PPMC for *private* discussions. Regards, Matthias On 6/23/06, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:55:54PM -0700, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: What do you *want* to do? What makes most sense? well, MyFaces PMC is faster; but adffaces-ppmc has it's charme too. But... after adf is a subproject we'll need to delete this list. ^^^ archive/disable So, what is easier for you guys? Creating a mailing list is about 2-3 minutes of work, archiving it perhaps just a little more. Infrastructure is chronically lacking volunteers, but this kind of thing is nevertheless something that's ok to ask for :) I think we should take the time for creating a PPMC list. Should I bring it up to the INCUBATOR jira? Or the IPMC? Or Craig? who is our mentor. What's most important is that there's agreement before there's a request for resources. Get agreement somewhere ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is probably the wrong forum for that :) ), *then* file a jira issue as documented on www.apache.org/dev/. Craig can do that, but others can as well. As long as its clear the request is inline with policy and after a PMC agreed on it. The incubator PMC is on this list and some individuals have offered opinions; I don't think you need to ask for formal approval from us. The use of PPMC lists is established practice :) LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. snip After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC list) or on the developer list (with a notice posted to the Incubator's general list). The latter practice of a private discussion followed by a public, pro-forma, vote is re-emerging as a Best Practice for ASF projects. /snip I think I'd like to vote on the adffaces-dev list, after I had a discussion on the myfaces pmc list. Thanks for clearing. There is a an additional note following the paragraph that Matthias quoted. It links to an email discussion regarding where issues about people should be discussed. This arose in relation to the commit that added the above paragraph, but no-one managed to follow up to revise this best practice. So i added the link to the discussion as a place-holder. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New committers
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 09:04:27PM -0700, Martin Cooper wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. sorry justin, for bothering you again... Or should we create a adffaces-ppmc list for the adf faces incubation? What do you *want* to do? What makes most sense? We didn't have one for the WebWork incubation, which I think is similar to the situation you are in with ADFFaces. We also didn't get clear direction on what we were supposed to do don't you love it when delegation actually works :) , so we just used the Struts PMC + initial committers as an informal PPMC to vote on bringing in new committers. That seems fine (especially if it worked well!) I think this is one such example where there is no good one size fits all answer. Eg, if you have lots of informal PPMC stuff to do, there's always the option of setting up a mailing list :) What's important is that a PMC at some point is involved in the decision (infra@ wants account requests coming on behalf of a PMC) and that the actual project community (which seems to usually not be 1-1 with any PMC in case of incubation) is happy with the decision process. (disclaimer: there are lots of important things :) ) LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think the future destination of adffaces is so clear that myfaces-pmc should be making the decisions. My preference is that adffaces-ppmc be created and those doing the adffaces work be those making the podling decisions. Worse case, it'll be easier to merge the two if we (myfaces) do absorb it as a subproject since those involved will all be trained at that point. What I see happening at this point is that those myfaces-pmc members who are involved with ADFFaces would be making all of the decisions, leaving out the other adffaces project members, while at the same time the rest of the myfaces pmc members don't reasonably have enough information to comment on the votes. On 6/22/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leo- Or should we create a adffaces-ppmc list for the adf faces incubation? What do you *want* to do? What makes most sense? well, MyFaces PMC is faster; but adffaces-ppmc has it's charme too. But... after adf is a subproject we'll need to delete this list. So, what is easier for you guys? , so we just used the Struts PMC + initial committers as an informal PPMC to vote on bringing in new committers. That seems fine (especially if it worked well!) I think this is one such example where there is no good one size fits all answer. Eg, if you have lots of informal PPMC stuff to do, there's always the option of setting up a mailing list :) What's important is that a PMC at some point is involved in the decision (infra@ wants account requests coming on behalf of a PMC) and that the actual project community (which seems to usually not be 1-1 with any PMC in case of incubation) is happy with the decision process. (disclaimer: there are lots of important things :) ) I think we should take the time for creating a PPMC list. Should I bring it up to the INCUBATOR jira? Or the IPMC? Or Craig? who is our mentor. Thanks, Matthias LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike- On 6/22/06, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the future destination of adffaces is so clear that myfaces-pmc should be making the decisions. My preference is that adffaces-ppmc be created and those doing the adffaces work be those making the podling decisions. Worse case, it'll be easier to merge the two if we (myfaces) do absorb it as a subproject since those involved will all be trained at that point. What I see happening at this point is that those myfaces-pmc members who are involved with ADFFaces would be making all of the decisions, leaving out the other adffaces project members, while at the same time the rest of the myfaces pmc members don't reasonably have enough information to comment on the votes. yes, as mentioned before, I think we should take the time for creating the PPMC list. I already asked howto maintain this. ... On 6/22/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leo- ... I think we should take the time for creating a PPMC list. Should I bring it up to the INCUBATOR jira? Or the IPMC? Or Craig? who is our mentor. -Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing. We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question. Where should this happen? Isn't there a PPMC list for this? -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No ppmc list has been created for the adffaces donation see here the list of our mailing lists: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-16 Because the goal is to have the ADF Faces dontaion (Trinidad) as a subproject of the MyFaces project. Like the Tobago incubation last year. So using the MyFaces PMC list? Regards, Matthias On 6/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing. We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question. Where should this happen? Isn't there a PPMC list for this? -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean- thanks for your email, but the adf faces project has no ppmc, b/c we like to be a subproject of our sponsor the myfaces project. That's why I asked ;) -Matthias On 6/21/06, Jean T. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing. We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question. Where should this happen? Isn't there a PPMC list for this? -- justin Incubator guidelines recommend discussing the candidate on the PPMC list, then doing the actual vote on the PPMC list or the dev list: http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Jean- thanks for your email, but the adf faces project has no ppmc, b/c we like to be a subproject of our sponsor the myfaces project. That's why I asked ;) doh. :-) sorry. reading emails too quickly ... -jean -Matthias On 6/21/06, Jean T. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing. We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question. Where should this happen? Isn't there a PPMC list for this? -- justin Incubator guidelines recommend discussing the candidate on the PPMC list, then doing the actual vote on the PPMC list or the dev list: http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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doh. :-) sorry. reading emails too quickly ... :) so, what todo? Bringing it up the MyFaces PMC ? three of the ADF Faces committers are PMC members. Or should we vote on the dev list? (I don't like this usecase) -jean -Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because the goal is to have the ADF Faces dontaion (Trinidad) as a subproject of the MyFaces project. Like the Tobago incubation last year. So using the MyFaces PMC list? Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. snip After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC list) or on the developer list (with a notice posted to the Incubator's general list). The latter practice of a private discussion followed by a public, pro-forma, vote is re-emerging as a Best Practice for ASF projects. /snip I think I'd like to vote on the adffaces-dev list, after I had a discussion on the myfaces pmc list. Thanks for clearing. -Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. sorry justin, for bothering you again... Or should we create a adffaces-ppmc list for the adf faces incubation? -Matthias snip After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC list) or on the developer list (with a notice posted to the Incubator's general list). The latter practice of a private discussion followed by a public, pro-forma, vote is re-emerging as a Best Practice for ASF projects. /snip I think I'd like to vote on the adffaces-dev list, after I had a discussion on the myfaces pmc list. Thanks for clearing. -Matthias -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. sorry justin, for bothering you again... Or should we create a adffaces-ppmc list for the adf faces incubation? We didn't have one for the WebWork incubation, which I think is similar to the situation you are in with ADFFaces. We also didn't get clear direction on what we were supposed to do, so we just used the Struts PMC + initial committers as an informal PPMC to vote on bringing in new committers. -- Martin Cooper -Matthias snip After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC list) or on the developer list (with a notice posted to the Incubator's general list). The latter practice of a private discussion followed by a public, pro-forma, vote is re-emerging as a Best Practice for ASF projects. /snip I think I'd like to vote on the adffaces-dev list, after I had a discussion on the myfaces pmc list. Thanks for clearing. -Matthias -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 08:50:30PM -0700, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. sorry justin, for bothering you again... Or should we create a adffaces-ppmc list for the adf faces incubation? I think the initial decision was that a PPMC was not necessary as the code was just going to be imported into the MyFaces project. Therefore, the MyFaces PMC is responsible for executing the duties that a PPMC would normally do. Perhaps we need to clarify these types of situations. What have we done for mod_ftp, for example? My glance at the status page says that there isn't a PPMC either. So, I'd guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] would control adding new committers to it. I guess... Anyone else have an opinion? Any other examples? -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 09:04:27PM -0700, Martin Cooper wrote: We didn't have one for the WebWork incubation, which I think is similar to the situation you are in with ADFFaces. We also didn't get clear direction on what we were supposed to do, so we just used the Struts PMC + initial committers as an informal PPMC to vote on bringing in new committers. I'm happy calling that a reasonable precedent and incorporating it in the docs being written this weekend. ;-) -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I think the initial decision was that a PPMC was not necessary as the code was just going to be imported into the MyFaces project. Therefore, the MyFaces PMC is responsible for executing the duties that a PPMC would normally do. Perhaps we need to clarify these types of situations. What have we done for mod_ftp, for example? My glance at the status page says that there isn't a PPMC either. So, I'd guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] would control adding new committers to it. I guess... Anyone else have an opinion? Any other examples? -- justin For Derby we had a PPMC which was useful for personnel discussions. On graduation responsbility was transferred to the DB PMC. On Tuscany we don't have a PPMC or other private forum - we've added committers so far based on adhoc discussions. I think that is problematic as it provides no visibility to either the Incubator or WebServices PMCs on how those decisions are being made. I think it would be a good idea for every podling to have such a forum so that the committers involved can become familiar with Apache's way and so that the IPMC can perform its oversight role. This also provides new committers with exposure to PMC responsibilities which is valuable if the podling graduates into an existing project and essential if it exits as a TLP. -- Jeremy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think the initial decision was that a PPMC was not necessary as the code was just going to be imported into the MyFaces project. Therefore, the MyFaces PMC is responsible for executing the duties that a PPMC would normally do. Yeah, right the goal was being a MyFaces subproject. Since ADF Faces is not a small piece of software a TLP status might be reasonable. That up to the incubator PMC; but -again- prefered choice was being a subproject. See [1] for more snip (1) scope of the subprojects Although ADF Faces could work well as a TLP, our preference would be to enter ASF as a MyFaces subproject, but we leave it to the Incubator PMC and ASF Board to make the final decision. /snip -Matthias [1] Proposal for ADF Faces, a MyFaces subproject - http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/adfproposal Perhaps we need to clarify these types of situations. What have we done for mod_ftp, for example? My glance at the status page says that there isn't a PPMC either. So, I'd guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] would control adding new committers to it. I guess... Anyone else have an opinion? Any other examples? -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6/21/06, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Derby we had a PPMC which was useful for personnel discussions. On graduation responsbility was transferred to the DB PMC. To me a ppmc for *each* incubator project sounds reasonable. On Tuscany we don't have a PPMC or other private forum - we've added committers so far based on adhoc discussions. I think that is problematic as it provides no visibility to either the Incubator or WebServices PMCs on how those decisions are being made. -1 on that :) I think it would be a good idea for every podling to have such a forum so that the committers involved can become familiar with Apache's way and so that the IPMC can perform its oversight role. This also provides new committers with exposure to PMC responsibilities which is valuable if the podling graduates into an existing project and essential if it exits as a TLP. yes. -- Jeremy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6/21/06, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In previous discussions, the eventual status (subproject/project) of the podling was not to be considered in decisions until after the project graduated.It seems like this would continue to be a good well, the prefered status was/is being a MyFaces subproject ... top-level project instead. Struts/WW was a little different situation since the immediate goal was to merge the two while ADFFaces/MyFaces are two different JSF-related things. Parts of ADFFaces will likely (at this point) be merged into MyFaces Tomahawk, but nothing in ADFFaces is likely to make it into the MyFaces core. True, since MyFaces Core is only the API and its Impl. There are some common useful services/API in ADF Faces, like ExternalRenderKitService. Those things are not bound to a specific RenderKit. The base stuff can also be used in Tobago; but this discussion should happen on the MyFaces list, since we are to JSF related right now ;-) But, I am not happy with the status of MyFaces itself. I'd like to see a generic JavaServer Faces TLP like WebServices or Portals. This project - Apache Faces - should have serveral subprojects, like: -MyFaces (what is yet known as MyFaces Core (API and its impl) -Tomahawk (custom components) -Tobago (layout-oriented JSF stuff) -Sandbox (our sandbox) -Shared (common services/api usefull for all of them) Could be interesting for Struts Shale too. Regards, Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
