Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Hi Vano, Can you give me little more detail on the procedure. Here is my understanding: 1. Untar the stagex in /xxx/slow/ on fast machine 2. chroot /xxx/slow /bin/bash 3. make changes to make.conf 4. bootstrap 5. emerge kernel sources 6. compile kernel 7. emerge XFree 8. emerge kde-base 9. Go to slow machine 10. WHAT NEXT ?? The slow machine has a swap parition and a ROOT parition. I have not used rsync. How to boot the slow machine? Thanks for your help Prabhat Vano D wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 18:01, Prabhat Gupta wrote: You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems. Puggy :(( ~ ~ ~ What is wrong with compiling your system under chroot in a fast box and then rsync -a it to your slower machine? I have also tarred whole system and transferred them to slower machines.. all ok You basically untar the stagex file to a dir on the fast machine, set the compile flags in /etc/make.conf so it is a pentium, bootstrap it, emerge whatever you want and even configure the whole thing, then chroot out of the dir, either use rsync -a to copy the system dir to the / of the slow machine, or use tar to create a tarball or tar it over the network. Cheers, -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* Senior Software Engineer Alternative System Concepts, Inc. www.ascinc.com 22 Haverhill Road Windham, NH 03087 Phone: (603) 437-2234 (o) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi Vano, Can you give me little more detail on the procedure. Here is my understanding: 1. Untar the stagex in /xxx/slow/ on fast machine 2. chroot /xxx/slow /bin/bash 3. make changes to make.conf 4. bootstrap 5. emerge kernel sources 6. compile kernel 7. emerge XFree 8. emerge kde-base 9. Go to slow machine 10. exit chroot 11. tar -cjpf slowmachine.tar.bz2 /xxx/slow 12. burn slowmachine.tar.bz2 to CD 13. boot slow machine with LiveCD. use 'gentoo cdcache' so you can take out the CD after it boots. 14. format your main partition and mount it like it says in the install docs 15. pop in other CD. mount it 16. follow install doc instructions for extracting stage file, except use file that you burned to the CD 17. follow install directions starting after kernel compile -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 11:58:21AM -0400, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi Vano, Can you give me little more detail on the procedure. Here is my understanding: 1. Untar the stagex in /xxx/slow/ on fast machine 2. chroot /xxx/slow /bin/bash 3. make changes to make.conf 4. bootstrap 5. emerge kernel sources 6. compile kernel 7. emerge XFree 8. emerge kde-base 9. Tar up /xxx/slow From here, you have a few options: 10. Take the HD from slow machine to fast machine 11. mount the root partition to /mnt/gentoo 12. mount the boot partition to /mnt/gentoo/boot 13. copy the tarball to /mnt/gentoo 14. cd to /mnt/gentoo and untar it 15. chroot to /mnt/gentoo 16. Install grub/lilo Alternately, you could take the fast machine's HD to slow machine. Lastly, if you have NFS set up on your fast machine, you could: 10. Export /xxx/slow with NFS 11. Boot slow machine with the Live CD 12. Set up the /mnt/gentoo and /mnt/gentoo/boot mount points as usual 13. mount the NFS share to /mnt/slow 14. copy tarball from /mnt/slow to /mnt/gentoo 15. cd to /mnt/gentoo and untar it 16. chroot to /mnt/gentoo 17. Install grub/lilo - PK 9. Go to slow machine 10. WHAT NEXT ?? The slow machine has a swap parition and a ROOT parition. I have not used rsync. How to boot the slow machine? Thanks for your help Prabhat Vano D wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 18:01, Prabhat Gupta wrote: You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems. Puggy :(( ~ ~ ~ What is wrong with compiling your system under chroot in a fast box and then rsync -a it to your slower machine? I have also tarred whole system and transferred them to slower machines.. all ok You basically untar the stagex file to a dir on the fast machine, set the compile flags in /etc/make.conf so it is a pentium, bootstrap it, emerge whatever you want and even configure the whole thing, then chroot out of the dir, either use rsync -a to copy the system dir to the / of the slow machine, or use tar to create a tarball or tar it over the network. Cheers, -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* Senior Software Engineer Alternative System Concepts, Inc. www.ascinc.com 22 Haverhill Road Windham, NH 03087 Phone: (603) 437-2234 (o) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
What if I CAN'T boot from CD :( Regards Prabhat Pat Kerwan wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 11:58:21AM -0400, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi Vano, Can you give me little more detail on the procedure. Here is my understanding: 1. Untar the stagex in /xxx/slow/ on fast machine 2. chroot /xxx/slow /bin/bash 3. make changes to make.conf 4. bootstrap 5. emerge kernel sources 6. compile kernel 7. emerge XFree 8. emerge kde-base 9. Tar up /xxx/slow From here, you have a few options: 10. Take the HD from slow machine to fast machine 11. mount the root partition to /mnt/gentoo 12. mount the boot partition to /mnt/gentoo/boot 13. copy the tarball to /mnt/gentoo 14. cd to /mnt/gentoo and untar it 15. chroot to /mnt/gentoo 16. Install grub/lilo Alternately, you could take the fast machine's HD to slow machine. Lastly, if you have NFS set up on your fast machine, you could: 10. Export /xxx/slow with NFS 11. Boot slow machine with the Live CD 12. Set up the /mnt/gentoo and /mnt/gentoo/boot mount points as usual 13. mount the NFS share to /mnt/slow 14. copy tarball from /mnt/slow to /mnt/gentoo 15. cd to /mnt/gentoo and untar it 16. chroot to /mnt/gentoo 17. Install grub/lilo - PK 9. Go to slow machine 10. WHAT NEXT ?? The slow machine has a swap parition and a ROOT parition. I have not used rsync. How to boot the slow machine? Thanks for your help Prabhat Vano D wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 18:01, Prabhat Gupta wrote: You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems. Puggy :(( ~ ~ ~ What is wrong with compiling your system under chroot in a fast box and then rsync -a it to your slower machine? I have also tarred whole system and transferred them to slower machines.. all ok You basically untar the stagex file to a dir on the fast machine, set the compile flags in /etc/make.conf so it is a pentium, bootstrap it, emerge whatever you want and even configure the whole thing, then chroot out of the dir, either use rsync -a to copy the system dir to the / of the slow machine, or use tar to create a tarball or tar it over the network. Cheers, -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* Senior Software Engineer Alternative System Concepts, Inc. www.ascinc.com 22 Haverhill Road Windham, NH 03087 Phone: (603) 437-2234 (o) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* Senior Software Engineer Alternative System Concepts, Inc. www.ascinc.com 22 Haverhill Road Windham, NH 03087 Phone: (603) 437-2234 (o) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: What if I CAN'T boot from CD :( There was something in the most recent GWN about making Gentoo boot floppies. http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/current.xml -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? -Thanks for your help -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? and installing a kernel and the other things in the installation guide? emerge -uv kde and I belive you should have everything you asked for. KDE takes a lot of space though, you would probably have to clean out /usr/portage/distfiles and maybe /var/tmp/portage from time to time. -- hw -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Håvard Wall wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? and installing a kernel and the other things in the installation guide? emerge -uv kde and I belive you should have everything you asked for. KDE takes a lot of space though, you would probably have to clean out /usr/portage/distfiles and maybe /var/tmp/portage from time to time. Thanks, I will look at the emerge option -v. When should I clean the /usr/portage/distfiles and how? I plan to use gentoo-sources for kernel. Can I clean source files for the kernel after kernel installation? Also before emerge -uv kde, I have to emerge xfree too, right? Is there a way to reduce the space requirement for xfree? I know the graphics chip of the thinkpad 760XL, it is Trident CYBER9385. Regards -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you need KDE? If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Thanks, I will look at the emerge option -v. When should I clean the /usr/portage/distfiles and how? Actually, you should do an emerge -uvp kde first. This will list all the packages which will be installed. When a package gets installed, portage downloads the source in /usr/portage/distfiles. The source will be unpacked and compiled in /var/tmp/portage. After a package is installed, you could remove its source from /usr/portage/distfiles. I belive /var/tmp/portage gets cleaned out automaticly though. -- hw -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you need KDE? If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Hi Tom, Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb. Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute farms and he need some graphics. I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto your laptop afterwards :) Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to put them on a different box... Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need. HTH, -- Ciaran McCreesh mail: ciaranm*firedrop#org#uk -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 25 July 2003 4:48 pm, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you need KDE? If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Hi Tom, Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb. Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute farms and he need some graphics. I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems. Puggy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/IVXPXYnvgFdTojMRAgJfAJ9o+QGsHSBA+inpTGPQepgVeZ9IXwCeNBpp hM9OgtOe58fA3L5aQTJlhI4= =hZ/K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:39, Håvard Wall wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? and installing a kernel and the other things in the installation guide? emerge -uv kde and I belive you should have everything you asked for. KDE takes a lot of space though, you would probably have to clean out /usr/portage/distfiles and maybe /var/tmp/portage from time to time. emerge kde will install all kde components. If you just want a minimal kde installation, emerge kdebase and that's what you will get. kdebase depends on kdelibs so only those two packages will be installed. Check under /usr/portage/kde-base/ for further information. Jason Thanks Jason, I will look into that. -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto your laptop afterwards :) Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to put them on a different box... Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need. HTH, Thanks, Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how to setup NFS and use it for installation? Any pointers? -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Douglas Russell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 25 July 2003 4:48 pm, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you need KDE? If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Hi Tom, Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb. Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute farms and he need some graphics. I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems. Puggy :(( ~ ~ ~ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:48, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you need KDE? If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Hi Tom, Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb. Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute farms and he need some graphics. I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( 24 hours? What were those laptops again? KDE normally takes about 24 hours to compile everything on my AthlonXP. If you can network the laptops then I suggest using CFLAGS for the lowest common denominator and also use distcc. Perform the Gentoo install (as per instructions) using stage2 on the laptops using stage2. After that set FEATURES in /etc/make.conf to include buildpkg. After that, build distcc on one laptop and mount /usr/portage on all the others via nfs. Then emerge distcc on all the other laptops using the -k flag (install from a precompiled package where possible). Set up distcc and make sure to include it in FEATURES on all laptops - I've never done it so I can't help you there. Then emerge kdebase and whatever other kde components you need on one laptop and use the -k flag again on the other laptops. That should get it all running within maybe 12 hours? Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat, Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb. I can see that. I'm running full SuSE 8.0 on a Thinkpad 770 at home, with the usual KDE, so the 760 should be able to handle it, too. I've got to admit, though, that I do most of my debugging manually. I learned before they had these fancy tools. Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute farms and he need some graphics. I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Whoosh. With only 24 hours left I'd choose a distro that would install without the compilation. Have you considered Knoppix running straight off the CD? It comes up in KDE. I love Gentoo, but it won't build on old slow machines in 24 hours, especially if you are doing KDE. Someone mentioned KDE-base to give you a minimal KDE. I'd second that. You can find smaller window managers, too. But building X will still take more time than you have. I've just completed a Gentoo install on a Sony Vaio (Celleron 333MHz) and it took days. Full KDE (emerge kde) from the stage 1 install was 120 packages, some of which took more than a day. You might remind your boss of the old triangle rule of thumb: Draw a triangle, label the corners good, fast and cheap. Select any one line and you can have those characteristics at its ends. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto your laptop afterwards :) Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to put them on a different box... Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need. HTH, Thanks, Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how to setup NFS and use it for installation? Any pointers? As I said before I haven't used distcc before, but I suggest not using in conjuction with your slow laptops. You will end up having the fast machine wait for the laptops to finish compiling something it could have done quicker by itself. If you can use the fast machine to do the compiling, do like I said before but use the -B flag to emerge rather than adding buildpkg to FEATURES; that will build the packages without installing them. NFS I believe to be fairly easy to set up. Do a man mount and if that doesn't help just search for nfs howto with google and you should be right. Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:48, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: Hi All, I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am bootstrapping the system. I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, CVS, shells. I also need minimal KDE. What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING? Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you need KDE? If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Hi Tom, Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb. Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute farms and he need some graphics. I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( 24 hours? What were those laptops again? KDE normally takes about 24 hours to compile everything on my AthlonXP. If you can network the laptops then I suggest using CFLAGS for the lowest common denominator and also use distcc. Perform the Gentoo install (as per instructions) using stage2 on the laptops using stage2. After that set FEATURES in /etc/make.conf to include buildpkg. After that, build distcc on one laptop and mount /usr/portage on all the others via nfs. Then emerge distcc on all the other laptops using the -k flag (install from a precompiled package where possible). Set up distcc and make sure to include it in FEATURES on all laptops - I've never done it so I can't help you there. Then emerge kdebase and whatever other kde components you need on one laptop and use the -k flag again on the other laptops. That should get it all running within maybe 12 hours? Jason WOW, seems great!!! I am definetely going to try it when I get other laptops. Currently I have only one to install. The laptop is P166 with 80MB RAM :(( -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Prabhat, Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb. I can see that. I'm running full SuSE 8.0 on a Thinkpad 770 at home, with the usual KDE, so the 760 should be able to handle it, too. I've got to admit, though, that I do most of my debugging manually. I learned before they had these fancy tools. Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute farms and he need some graphics. I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Whoosh. With only 24 hours left I'd choose a distro that would install without the compilation. Have you considered Knoppix running straight off the CD? It comes up in KDE. I love Gentoo, but it won't build on old slow machines in 24 hours, especially if you are doing KDE. Someone mentioned KDE-base to give you a minimal KDE. I'd second that. You can find smaller window managers, too. But building X will still take more time than you have. I've just completed a Gentoo install on a Sony Vaio (Celleron 333MHz) and it took days. Full KDE (emerge kde) from the stage 1 install was 120 packages, some of which took more than a day. You might remind your boss of the old triangle rule of thumb: Draw a triangle, label the corners good, fast and cheap. Select any one line and you can have those characteristics at its ends. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thanks guys for all your help. I really love gentoo and the user community. I think I will try to emerge xfree and then teach my boss how to install KDE-BASE. He is my remote boss. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Friday 25 July 2003 17:41, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:39, Håvard Wall wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: I also need minimal KDE. emerge -uv kde emerge kde will install all kde components. If you just want a minimal kde installation, emerge kdebase and that's what you will get. kdebase depends on kdelibs so only those two packages will be installed. Check under /usr/portage/kde-base/ for further information. kdebase depends on kdelibs which depends on arts which depends on qt which depends on X. If you want to develop plugins for certain programs you also need those progs. If you want an IDE you can also emerge kdevelop. I recommend also to emerge kdeaddons which has such good things like the webarchiver and other nice plugins for konquerer... Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is large. (about 75-85% performance increase for each host added) Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your FEATURES line. The downside is that not all of portage does not support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it. Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will cause most actual compiling to take place somewhere else. ie. DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox will split the compiles across thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS=fastbox will make all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when fastbox is a 2.0GHz. Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler to use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host. This is what I do, do a minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent HOWTO at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930 or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at: ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB) and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) and add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line: DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox xpbox I've even included a script to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) so it has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background. Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 / binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build environment. -Rob On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto your laptop afterwards :) Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to put them on a different box... Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need. HTH, Thanks, Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how to setup NFS and use it for installation? Any pointers? As I said before I haven't used distcc before, but I suggest not using in conjuction with your slow laptops. You will end up having the fast machine wait for the laptops to finish compiling something it could have done quicker by itself. If you can use the fast machine to do the compiling, do like I said before but use the -B flag to emerge rather than adding buildpkg to FEATURES; that will build the packages without installing them. NFS I believe to be fairly easy to set up. Do a man mount and if that doesn't help just search for nfs howto with google and you should be right. Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Hi Rob, Thanks. So after bootstrapping can I emerge distcc and compile the kernel , X and kde-base with distcc? Is it going to make a lot of difference in compile time? Jason indicated that It will not make a lot difference. Bootstrapping is still going far last 12 hours. It is a P166, 80M. 1.6G for for gentoo (excluding swap). Regards Prabhat Rob Snow wrote: DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is large. (about 75-85% performance increase for each host added) Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your FEATURES line. The downside is that not all of portage does not support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it. Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will cause most actual compiling to take place somewhere else. ie. DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox will split the compiles across thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS=fastbox will make all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when fastbox is a 2.0GHz. Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler to use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host. This is what I do, do a minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent HOWTO at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930 or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at: ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB) and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) and add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line: DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox xpbox I've even included a script to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) so it has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background. Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 / binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build environment. -Rob On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto your laptop afterwards :) Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to put them on a different box... Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need. HTH, Thanks, Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how to setup NFS and use it for installation? Any pointers? As I said before I haven't used distcc before, but I suggest not using in conjuction with your slow laptops. You will end up having the fast machine wait for the laptops to finish compiling something it could have done quicker by itself. If you can use the fast machine to do the compiling, do like I said before but use the -B flag to emerge rather than adding buildpkg to FEATURES; that will build the packages without installing them. NFS I believe to be fairly easy to set up. Do a man mount and if that doesn't help just search for nfs howto with google and you should be right. Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lis -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Well, from what I'm seeing..it's close to linear speed up minus about 10-15% overhead. So if you have 2x boxes you should see around 1.6-1.8 speedup. I'm using a 3 box compile 'farm' of 2 gentoo boxes (AthlonXP) and a XP (P4) and I'm seeing 2.5min kernel compiles from a make clean - time make -j[5 or 6] bzImage. I'd consider that pretty substantial. Remeber that some packages don't handle the -j[n] option well and even though you put the FEATURE=distcc in they won't use it...xfree comes to mind, it uses distcc, but only at -j2. Again, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to actually do the compiles 'off-site' by leaving your slow machine out of the list of hosts. That way even with a linear build you will be doing the grunt work 'off-site' and just linking, etc. onsite. This is the way I'm going to build my new firewall/router. I'll leverage all my fast boxes to build the system and leave it completely out of the DISTCC_HOSTS line...it's only a 200MHz and I've got 2.0, 2.4, 1.8, 1.6GHz to throw at the real work. -Rob On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:35:11 -0400, Prabhat Gupta wrote Hi Rob, Thanks. So after bootstrapping can I emerge distcc and compile the kernel , X and kde-base with distcc? Is it going to make a lot of difference in compile time? Jason indicated that It will not make a lot difference. Bootstrapping is still going far last 12 hours. It is a P166, 80M. 1.6G for for gentoo (excluding swap). Regards Prabhat Rob Snow wrote: DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is large. (about 75-85% performance increase for each host added) Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your FEATURES line. The downside is that not all of portage does not support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it. Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will cause most actual compiling to take place somewhere else. ie. DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox will split the compiles across thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS=fastbox will make all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when fastbox is a 2.0GHz. Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler to use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host. This is what I do, do a minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent HOWTO at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930 or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at: ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB) and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) and add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line: DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox xpbox I've even included a script to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) so it has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background. Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 / binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build environment. -Rob On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto your laptop afterwards :) Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to put them on a different box... Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need. HTH, Thanks, Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how to setup NFS and use it for installation? Any pointers? As I said before I haven't used distcc before, but I suggest not using in conjuction with your slow laptops. You will end up having the fast machine wait for the laptops to finish compiling something it could have done quicker by itself. If you can use the fast machine to do the compiling, do like I said before but use the -B flag to
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
wow!! Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with gentoo installed. So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form DISTCC_HOSTS What should be my -j value for this senario? 2?? Where will I set -j option? Is it in make.conf? Thanks Rob Snow wrote: Well, from what I'm seeing..it's close to linear speed up minus about 10-15% overhead. So if you have 2x boxes you should see around 1.6-1.8 speedup. I'm using a 3 box compile 'farm' of 2 gentoo boxes (AthlonXP) and a XP (P4) and I'm seeing 2.5min kernel compiles from a make clean - time make -j[5 or 6] bzImage. I'd consider that pretty substantial. Remeber that some packages don't handle the -j[n] option well and even though you put the FEATURE=distcc in they won't use it...xfree comes to mind, it uses distcc, but only at -j2. Again, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to actually do the compiles 'off-site' by leaving your slow machine out of the list of hosts. That way even with a linear build you will be doing the grunt work 'off-site' and just linking, etc. onsite. This is the way I'm going to build my new firewall/router. I'll leverage all my fast boxes to build the system and leave it completely out of the DISTCC_HOSTS line...it's only a 200MHz and I've got 2.0, 2.4, 1.8, 1.6GHz to throw at the real work. -Rob On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:35:11 -0400, Prabhat Gupta wrote Hi Rob, Thanks. So after bootstrapping can I emerge distcc and compile the kernel , X and kde-base with distcc? Is it going to make a lot of difference in compile time? Jason indicated that It will not make a lot difference. Bootstrapping is still going far last 12 hours. It is a P166, 80M. 1.6G for for gentoo (excluding swap). Regards Prabhat Rob Snow wrote: DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is large. (about 75-85% performance increase for each host added) Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your FEATURES line. The downside is that not all of portage does not support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it. Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will cause most actual compiling to take place somewhere else. ie. DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox will split the compiles across thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS=fastbox will make all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when fastbox is a 2.0GHz. Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler to use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host. This is what I do, do a minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent HOWTO at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930 or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at: ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB) and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) and add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line: DISTCC_HOSTS=thisbox fastbox xpbox I've even included a script to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) so it has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background. Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 / binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build environment. -Rob On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto your laptop afterwards :) Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to put them on a different box... Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need. HTH, Thanks, Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how to setup NFS and use it for
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: wow!! Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with gentoo installed. So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form DISTCC_HOSTS What should be my -j value for this senario? 2?? Typically its CPUs + 1, so you've got host computer + distcc laptop = 2 CPUs, so set -j3 Where will I set -j option? Is it in make.conf? the MAKEOPTS= line -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: wow!! Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with gentoo installed. So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form DISTCC_HOSTS What should be my -j value for this senario? 2?? Typically its CPUs + 1, so you've got host computer + distcc laptop = 2 CPUs, so set -j3 I want all my compilation on the fast machine. Should I set it -j2 ? Regards PRabhat Where will I set -j option? Is it in make.conf? the MAKEOPTS= line -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: Andrew Gaffney wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: wow!! Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with gentoo installed. So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form DISTCC_HOSTS What should be my -j value for this senario? 2?? Typically its CPUs + 1, so you've got host computer + distcc laptop = 2 CPUs, so set -j3 I want all my compilation on the fast machine. Should I set it -j2 ? You should set: MAKEOPTS=-j2 DISTCC_HOSTS=fastmachine/2 FEATURES=ccache distcc where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The '/2' means it can accept 2 jobs at once. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
[/SINP] You should set: MAKEOPTS=-j2 DISTCC_HOSTS=fastmachine/2 FEATURES=ccache distcc where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The '/2' means it can accept 2 jobs at once. Should I install ccache also? Which one should I install first ccache or distcc? What set will be required to use ccache? Best regards PRabhat -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* Senior Software Engineer Alternative System Concepts, Inc. www.ascinc.com 22 Haverhill Road Windham, NH 03087 Phone: (603) 437-2234 (o) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Prabhat Gupta wrote: You should set: MAKEOPTS=-j2 DISTCC_HOSTS=fastmachine/2 FEATURES=ccache distcc where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The '/2' means it can accept 2 jobs at once. Should I install ccache also? Which one should I install first ccache or distcc? It shouldn't really matter which order you install them in. What set will be required to use ccache? Nothing more should be required that what is already above. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
Thanks Andrew. Regards PRabhat Andrew Gaffney wrote: Prabhat Gupta wrote: You should set: MAKEOPTS=-j2 DISTCC_HOSTS=fastmachine/2 FEATURES=ccache distcc where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The '/2' means it can accept 2 jobs at once. Should I install ccache also? Which one should I install first ccache or distcc? It shouldn't really matter which order you install them in. What set will be required to use ccache? Nothing more should be required that what is already above. -- P r a b h a t G u p t a /\/\* Senior Software Engineer Alternative System Concepts, Inc. www.ascinc.com 22 Haverhill Road Windham, NH 03087 Phone: (603) 437-2234 (o) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install
On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 18:01, Prabhat Gupta wrote: You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems. Puggy :(( ~ ~ ~ What is wrong with compiling your system under chroot in a fast box and then rsync -a it to your slower machine? I have also tarred whole system and transferred them to slower machines.. all ok You basically untar the stagex file to a dir on the fast machine, set the compile flags in /etc/make.conf so it is a pentium, bootstrap it, emerge whatever you want and even configure the whole thing, then chroot out of the dir, either use rsync -a to copy the system dir to the / of the slow machine, or use tar to create a tarball or tar it over the network. Cheers, -- Vano D [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
