*** Goanet News Bytes * March 24, 2006 * Mickky disbands his Fransa-Pax Football Club...
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[Goanet] Re: The Priest, the Cook , the Guests the Alcohol
I would just like to add, that I don't know the Priest in question personally but my in-laws and uncle-in-law in particular, who is also a priest knew him very well. He said that he never displayed any homosexual tendencies and as such all these insinuations are but mere speculation. --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it amazing that the people who know him personally, like Basilio and Elisabeth, vouch for his exemplary character and selfless generosity, while those who don't know him, like you and Afra Dias and Godfrey Gonsalves, are busy besmirching his character and memory.
[Goanet] Contacto Goa Episode 5 synopsis (RTP International Mar 26/27; RTP Africa: Mar 26)
EPISODE 5 Stories REMO: Goa's best known pop star returns to his musical roots TIRACOL: Visit an old Portuguese fort whose premises have been transformed into an elegant heritage hotel PERCIVAL NORONHA: Meet the grand old man of Fontainhas, who lives a busier retired life than most people half his age LANGUAGE DIVERSITY FAIR: A festival to celebrate the diversity of languages spoken in Goa Episódio 5 REMO: O cantor pop mais conhecido de Goa leva-nos a conhecer as suas raízes musicais TIRACOL: Visite o antigo forte português que foi transformado num hotel simples mas elegante PERCIVAL NORONHA: Conheça este octagenário das Fontainhas que tem uma vida mais atarefada do que a maioria das pessoas com metade da sua idade LANGUAGE DIVERSITY FAIR: Celebre as diversidade das línguas faladas em Goa Time: RTP International: Sun, Mar 26, 20:15 hrs; repeat Mon, Mar 27, 10:00hrs, INDIA time) RTP Africa: Sun, Mar 26, 18:30 hrs, LISBOA time Next episode in TWO weeks... (a new episode every two weeks, SAME schedule) Obrigado! Desmond
[Goanet] MURDER -- FATHER FERRAO
Hi, Mates! It is with great sorrow that we learn that Fr. Eusebio Ferrao was murdered in Goa. We are given to understand that Fr. Ferrao spoke out against communal violence in Goa. If so, he is to be regarded as a Goan martyr who advocated communal harmony in a country which, until the recent incidents against Muslims and Christians, has been peaceful. Requiescat in pace! The details we in Australia have are rather sketchy so we would appreciate any further information about any investigations ( if any) into the death of this young peaceloving Catholic priest who had been focused on social reform and justice to all in Goa -- whether Hindus, Muslims or Christians. Regards! Martinho
[Goanet] Re: Welcome to Goanet
On 21/03/06, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]REPLY: Agnelo Pinto Ponjekar my foot! Your IP address forwarded showsthat you are posting from the USA. REPLY: Dear Gabe, Here you go again. Only confirms you know ZILCH. I can be in any part of the world, andstill be a Ponjekar. As I said earlier, you (Osama #1)have hijacked this forum. We need to promote religious harmony in Goa and communalism preached by any person (Catholic,Hindu or Muslim) should be condemned. People in Goa have to live with these communities unlike some of us who are overseas. Irresponsible comments from fanatics only divides these communities further instead of bringing them together.Agnelo Pinto Ponjekar New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
[Goanet] A Reminiscent Tour of Mapusa Town in the 1950's - Part I
A Reminiscent Tour of Mapusa Town in the 1950s Part I During the Portuguese regime, Goa was divided into three main parts Bardez, Salcete and Ilhas or Tiswadi. The name Bardêz is derived from Bará-dês, signifying twelve (12) dessaíados, or small feudal centers that after undergoing various dominations came under the Portuguese State. In the absence of transportation, people were confined to each of the above-mentioned parts. In fact, it was difficult, if not impossible, to travel from one village to the other. In the middle of the last century when I grew up, the majority of Goans worked and lived for the day. People tilled fields and grew rice and all kinds of cereals and vegetables and were quite self-sufficient. There was no electricity in Goa except in cities. The word technology was alien to Goa. The Africanders (Goans who worked in Africa) who returned to Goa in the 1960s, brought along with them Electrolux brand kerosene-based refrigerators; until then we had not seen a refrigerator. In the absence of a refrigerator, if any food was left over, it had to be warmed up at least twice a day during the hot summer or else randlelem finnfinnttalem (the cooked food would get spoiled). Each village had a centrally located place called Tinto where basic necessities like fish, vegetables, etc. were sold. Since there was no cold storage facility, small markets were arranged around villages where people bought and sold their home-grown produce. The market days were fixed in such a way that people could make use of the fetched products for 2 to 3 days. Thus, the Anjunkars attended two small markets every week which were located at almost the same distance: (1) Budvaradis Siolecho bazaar (Siolim market on a Wednesday) and (2) Sonvaradis Kongottcho bazaar (Calangute market on a Saturday). Besides these two weekly markets, one big market took place in Mapusa town and this was meant for all Bardezkars (residents of Bardez). In this article, I shall reminisce on the Mapusa town as it existed half a century ago. Everyone had to walk to Mapusa on foot, regardless whether he/she had money or not because there was no public transportation then. Children, mostly from the age of 7 onwards, accompanied their parents to the bazaar. It was fun to walk to Mapusa but not as much fun when we returned home because while mother and father carried big pottleo (packages) on their heads and in both hands (in my case only mother - as my father was abroad), each child was required to carry one poti (small bag) in each hand. There were two Dovornim (stone built structures on which one rests his/her burden if carrying a head load) each in Assagao and Parra located at approximately 2 ½ kilometers from each other. Mapusa is a small sleepy town, 13 Kilometers from the capital, Panaji. It is one of the oldest cities of Goa, retracing its establishment to the time of Marquês de Pombal. It was the capital of the old province of Bardêz. The crown of Bardez, as it is also known, is basically a market place which forms the hub of north Goa. It is the most important commercial capital of the North Goa where the weekly Sukraracho bazaar (Friday market) takes place. It is also the administrative headquarters of Bardez Taluka (the province comprising of 12 villages), one of the Old Conquests of Goa besides Salcete and Ilhas or Tiswadi. Mapusa was categorized as a vila (town) by a Decree dated September 14, 1858. By Order No.1911 of the Governor General, dated December 29, 1933, the town was designated the status of a cidade (city). The Mapusa market was first heard of in the 1580 by a Dutch Chronicler who is believed to have described it as the Bazaar Grande (Big market)! The older part of Mapusa town lies along the base of the hill. To me, Mapusa remains the best town; no modern, sophisticated town/city can ever replace it for me! During the Portuguese regime the name of the town was written as Mapuçá. Post liberation it was difficult for people to write it with the cedilla; so, they wrote it without - Mapuca. Later, people dropped the letter c, replaced it with 's and wrote it as Mapusa; most people write it this way now. In Konkani, people call it Mapxem and its residents are known as Mapxenkars. Some people from Salcete, especially the carpenters who bring furniture to the Fair at Milagres Feast, call it Mavxem! There are various versions about its name some say Mapusa is derived from the Konkani word map/mhap meaning measure, and sa meaning to fill up. The word put together Mapsa or Mhapsa means a place of measuring and selling goods. It is also believed that the name is derived from Maha which means big and push means to sustain or feed a big center for distributing village products, which is what it was and continues to be to date for North Goans. Yet another source
[Goanet] Cazar in Goa
Cazar in Goa A close look at the old fashioned weddings in Goa There is no happier and more ecstatic moment in one's life-in this world than the day one gets married. From times immemorial, man and woman have both craved and yearned for a consummate love and heavenly bliss. And this institution of marriage with age-old traditions still survives in Goa. A marriage in Goa is a long drawn out process. It starts with a soirikar, who is forever scouting the villages for prospective brides and grooms. He scans their background, status, caste, pigmentation, occupation, assets, and education, matches the couples and makes contact with their parents. Later he gets them together at a pre-arranged meeting place. And if they like each other, there is a promise of a marriage and the .soirikar claims his commission. Then their parents discuss matters such as dowry and dennem, and a date for the wedding. Now the real tasks begin. You go to Church to talk to Padre Vigar. He asks lot of questions on Cathechism and you better brush up on your doutrina, otherwise your letter will never be read in the church three times. Devache kurpen cazar zata Next you make arrangements for the wedding, the band, get all your certidaos in order for the civil marriage formalities, arrange for a pig, and build fire-place outside the house to cook pulau, sorpatel. and doce. Then paint your house white, go to the shetti (gold-smith) to order custom gold jewelry. Don't forget to get all your savings for the dowry and the furnishings for the dennem or arrange to get a big loan for the expenses or go to all your relatives and friends for contributory loans and possibly even the village Bhattkar to mortgage your ancestral home. The bride looks forward to the day she will get married. But first, she has to go to her maternal uncle's house (mamaguer) where she drinks water from the well and her uncle offers her chuddo, a bunch of multi-coloured glass bangles on her both hands, a sign that she is now engaged. Next comes the mudi, to celebrate the engagement, when a priest will bless the gold rings. Now as she is really engaged, doce and dalli (sweet rice pudding) will be distributed throughout the village in a black earthen pot with a doulo (coconut ladle). Only a couple weeks left for the big wedding. Time for the great bridal dress. The best tailors are hired to do customized stitching for the bride as well as the bridesmaid and new dresses for close relatives. Only a couple days left now and the closest relatives from far off villages come running to help the household with their horde of children and the bridal house becomes a palace of relatives and children running around making noises and having fun and no school for about two weeks. The cooking is now done outside on the fireplace in big burkulo and kunnim (pots), a collso of fennim is always ready. And after rosary at night, they eat, drink and later they go for a deep slumber on ator (a large bamboo mat) in the midst of a kanni (story). Parents visit houses in the neighbourhood for an informal wedding invitation. If no one is home, they stick a tallo (a stalk of leaves) in the main door key-hole (message waiting). By default the entire village is invited, no cards, no gate-crashers, all guests. Now two days to go. Bride and groom go to the city hall for the civil marriage and after that they go to a restaurant for celebration. Friends and relatives gather to kill a pig, cut meat for sorpotel, hadd-mas, ross-mass buch, and kalliz.(bones, roast, tripe and liver) Kids take the poskotto (bladder) and blow it and tie it and play with it like a balloon and later eat the fried pork rind, the fat remnants.(Cholesterol was not invented yet). Neighbourhood womenfolk are busy helping with the cooking and doce, men are helping to put up a big mattou (mega tent) The mattou is draped with white decorated sheets. The chairs and tables and the band stage is all set. The dance floor is all sand filled with jack-fruit leaves for easy dancing.. The village chief sets up her wares. The soda machine is set with old soda bottles with marble at the top. Cases of cerveja St. Paulo Girl beer are purchased for special guests like Padre Vigar and Bhattkar and other special guests. On the eve of wedding day, there is bhikream jevonn, a big lunch for the beggars, consisting of big pieces of meat, vegetable and fish served on a potravoli (leaves plate) on the floor, in memory of the dearly departed. And on this day, you get saguades, like fish gantonn, kellim-guellavo (gift baskets of fish and bananas) from your well-wishers and relatives that you have to pay back later in kind. Later at night they perform ross, a ceremony to bathe the bride/groom with coconut milk, in unison with the singing of verses in Konkanni in praise of the bride/groom and their relatives. Finally comes the big day. The bride is all nervous. A beautician is hired
Re: [Goanet] Priests and non-Catholics in Goa
Basilio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Priests in Goa, and in the rest of India, actively socialize and work as good collaborators with non-Catholics, be they Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or of any other religion. They too come to the priests to seek assistance, guidance and support. The Church in the villages is not just a place for Catholics, but a public square for all villagers of all stripes. The Church square in the villages serves a marvelous function to gather and build the community of people with its myriad activities, be the plays/social functions, sports, health related programs, etc The Church¹ schools in all villages in Goa/India are places where everyone melds as one village community grounded in tolerance and respect for each other at the deepest level. Priests in Goa/India have wonderful and rich friendships with many non-Catholics be they males or females. May be this is the secret, which has nourished the legendary harmony we all brag about in Goa. Many non-Catholic friends have been and are staunch and genuine supporters of many common-good activities initiated by the priests. When this legendary harmony, built painstakingly block by block, is shattered by ugly incidents, we mourn for the demise of the ethic of our society. Basilio, Most of my remaining male relatives are R.C. priests serving in Goa and Bombay. As such, you email will be saved and cherished. Yes, and thank the good Lord for that, in Goa and in India very frequently priests, and many people in the villages, make room at their sparse dining tables for non-Catholics and enjoy the solidarity and brotherhood and sisterhood of common humanity, even when they arrive unannounced. Indeed, they do not hesitate to provide shelter to those seeking a place to lay their head and rest their tired bodies, without asking their religious affiliation and place of origin. The vaulted corridors of our Churches provide at least a token of warmth. Almost all beneficiaries are grateful for this act of compassion, and leave transformed (not proselytized) having experienced humanity of another human, albeit a stranger. May I suggest to our overseas living goans/NRI brethren, who have been away, may be for too long, from their motherland, to take time and re-familiarize with Goa/India, and its authetic life lived in the lush villages of Goa. It may surprise you that the priests in Goa, without pomp and circumstance, with their warts and all, do a heck of a job not only for the Catholics, but for the greater good of society. As a NRI, it is also my duty to state that there are priests who are known sexual deviants. Here in Canada, there have been several cases of parishioners reporting sexual offenders to the local church authorities and the Vatican. In most cases, the Vatican has chosen to remove those from the parishes where the abuse is reported and send them to rural areas (where the abuse continues.) The church I attend has a second collection almost every Sunday for the Bishops needs. I assume the money collected is used to pay for the damages awarded to those who have been abused. However, this is just a guess as we are never told what exactly are the Bishops needs. These priests are not perfect, and they need not need be perfect in order to do good; Nonetheless they reach to anyone who seek to be reached, and in fact at any time of the day or night. I hope this will not surprise those who harbor a parochial notion of the life of the priests in Goa/India. With regards to the murder of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao, we all have to sit back and wait for the evidence to unfold. Making accusations and counter accusations is not going to be productive. We also have to keep the possibility open that this is not, so far, an open and close murder case. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Priest Murdered
--- afra dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is downright dispeakable that u cannot have an open mind and do not question the motives. Only the USA has homosexual priests and not India? Being a Christian means I should not question what the PRIESTS do? May be shameful to you - because you do not want to face the truth. Mario responds: Thanks for noticing that I do not have an open mind towards vicious character assassins, who raise unsubstantiated questions, without any proof, in a public forum, about a man who is unable to defend himself. What truth am I unable to face? The only people who know him, Basilio and Elisabeth, have vouched for his character. That's good enough for me in the absence of any evidence to the contrary. This has nothing to do with Eusebio being a Priest. It would be just as despicable and flat-out wrong if it were done to anyone else. I hope you will desist from trying to defend the indefensible.
[Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Marsachi 25vi, 2006!
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Sogott munxeakullak bodlunk chinta punn konnuch apleak bodlunk chintinam. (Everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Cuban Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Others like myself, prefer freedom and democracy and self rule, which is the inalienable right of every country. Mario, It seems strange that you talk about freedom, democracy and self rule and belong to a country that practises just the exact opposite. In case you are not aware of it, the US has military bases in Cuba that are used to illegally remove people from freedom in their country. These people are then tortured and denied the right of access to a justice/court system. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Cultural Celebrations
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Hi Gabe, Three Cheers to the Goan Village Associations in London. In your example, my post was preaching to the choir. As your post points out, there are lot of advantages to guests and new Goan blood at our functions. Or else it becomes sodanchem khobor a.k.a gossip.:=)) Kind Regards, GL Gabe Menezes: A correction on the misconception of members only. Here in London, at many occasions, like the Village feasts, the guests outnumber the Members. Many occassions would be a flop if it were not for the support of the guests! Gabe Menezes. London, England GL: B.T.W. these celebrations were open to all. A good lesson to Diaspora Goans, who exclude other Goans from their celebrations because its members only.
[Goanet] re: Goanet admin ability to read Konkani words a public apology to Mario
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- At the outset, I regret having approved Carmo D'Cruz's message with the offending words. It was a mistake, my mistake. The discussion thread with the above subject has been closed as of now. This is not the first time we have had foul language from a Goanetter. But it is interesting Jose Colaco has taken it upon himself to apologize to Mario Goviea and start a family feud with his cousin. Can't recollect Jose taking exception in the past albeit he regularly indulges in name calling, a different kind of abuse. In all this, the actual debate about the murdered priest has been sidelined and Jose Colaco has succeeded in distracting some. As longtime Goanetters know, Jose's grandstanding and apologizing to Mario is not because he cares about Mario, but on account of his disdain for Goanet Admin. He only wanted to inflate and magnify the damage by repeating the offending words. Goanet moderators do read and understand Konkani. When messages from clowns like Jose Colaco are rejected...he goes around shouting CENSORING, CENSORING!! Nevertheless, this is no excuse for my lapse. Best wishes - Bosco Goanet Admin On Fri Mar 24 09:43:38 PST 2006, jose colaco wrote: Dear Carmo, I publicly protest your use of the above words in the post to Mario. Just because you (might) disagree with Mario, does not mean you can use foul words in a public forum. Mario I publicly apologise to you on behalf of Carmo who has used the foul words in reference. It is possible that 1. Goanet admin don't mind Mario being abused or 2. The jokers cannot read (and understand) Konkani my apologies again jc
[Goanet] RE: The Smearing of one...and the Bully Pulpitwalla
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Dear Jose, Re your Mogal Bosco ..your Mog appears to follow a fogg. Appears in the last 24 hrs you have graduated from insinuations to name- calling. Congratulations! Didn't take much, as always. While I referred to your paragraph so as not to truncate it, I clearly referred to the LAST LINE. With your blinders on, you chose to read what you like. Why ?? To obfuscate, deflect and continue your shenanigans, since 1998. Now, if you insist on dragging me into your comments about the JournosI'm not privy to your information whether they sit on a fence or a bench, whether they drink tea or feni, whether they write bogus or sci-fi stories, whether they censor others or themselves. I don't know who are these Journos you keep referring to in your emails here on Goanet. But this bogeyman, Journos, you have created hopefully satisfies your excuses. Hopefully someday you will have the fortitude to tell us who in your mind constitutes Journos. That chip on your shoulder since 1998 has turned into a rock. Amazing how you have nourished and sustained it over the years. So once again I request you to please stick to the debate or the subject at hand. Don't lean on Goanet Admin (in)directly to help you make your point. Everytime you do that, you will hear from me - I will point out your shenanigans!! From Websters: Insinuate - to introduce (as an idea) gradually or in a subtle, indirect, or covert way; to impart or communicate with artful or oblique reference. Shenanigan - a devious trick used especially for an underhand purpose; tricky or questionable practices or conduct -- usually used in plural As always, you have the last word. The love is not lost...it's accepted and reciprocated. Have a good weekend. - Bosco On Fri Mar 24 09:35:03 PST 2006 jose colaco wrote: In response to the following from me: The so called Journos continue to sit on the fence, drinking cups of tea writing bogus stories - while censoring others (wonder IF this one will get through on GoaNet) Bosco D'Mello retorted With regard to the last line of above paragraph.. O-bli-me !! I am reading this on Goanet!! It must have gotten through only because Jose Colaco sent it here, I guess. O-bli-me !! Jose Colaco is back to his shenanigans !! While discussing a sensitive topic of insinuations by some people re a murdered priest, he chooses to do some insinuating himself in the process and diss some folk - all in the name of free speech. jc's response: Mogal Bosco, I will not join in your request that someone bli-you; (Blind = cocknye for Blind Me) The reason: I would NOT wish anyone to be blinder than they already are. Are you saying, Bosco that there are NO so called Journos continue to sit on the fence, drinking cups of tea writing bogus stories - while censoring others ? If you are not, pray tell me where the shenanigans'' reside - Your place or mine ? Don't see How I could have been held to have Insinuated anything. I believe that I have made my points quite clearly. I have been making the very same points since 1998. That is if we agree on the meaning of the word Insinuate. With much love but obly when you come down (albeit for a brief second) from your formatted bully pulpit. Now there you have it. No insinuation ...all is direct and upfront! jc
Re: [Goanet] The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback and opinion - So what are your modern suggestions to scare away these uncivilized criminals from coming to Goa ? In your list below, You have missed out my last suggestion to Harvest the organs of Amit Shukla and Manish Dhubey for transplants - so that a few Goans may live a little longer to carryout the good work of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao. Mario responds: Carmo, What you have in the murder of Fr. Eusebio are two suspects, and from the reports I have seen, no motive that makes any sense. They will be tried in a court of law, and sentenced under the laws that apply, not by some blood-thirsty mob of Fr. Eusebio's alleged friends and followers, or by self-serving politicians or government bureaucrats. A legal system, applied fairly and consistently, regardless of who the suspects are, is what shows others that they should avoid similar behavior. It also assures people that THEY will not be accused and convicted without any opportunity to tell their side of the story. This is how a modern civilized society should operate. Your response is to scare away everyone with a background you disapprove of, the vast majority of whom are law abiding citizens just wanting to make an honest living for their families. If you cannot wait for the legal process to run it's course before condemning a suspect to death then no one is safe from you and your ilk. Neither are YOU safe from someone more powerful than you, who may decide they don't approve of you. If repressive and oppressive regimes like China and Saudi Arabia are your standard for a civilized society, then you are living in the wrong country, assuming you live in a country where everyone's rights are protected by a functioning legal system. Yes, their punishments are swift and certain, and may terrify those without the power to do anything about it, but I will bet you that many innocents fall victim to their self-righteous wrath, and with the finality of a death sentence, there is no way to correct a case of mistaken identity. If you live in one of these countries, you are at risk yourself. Just ask the Afghan Christian currently being threatened with a death sentence for converting to Christianity, or the Catholics or Falun Gong members that are being oppressed and repressed by the Chinese. Tomorrow YOU, or someone you love, may be the victim of mistaken identity, or any charge that an adversary may concoct, and having destroyed the legal system of checks and balances, there will be no one to defend or protect you from some other self-righteous mob. I understand your frustration. But, what you are suggesting could be called the anarchy of the self-righteous and is incompatible with a modern civilized democracy. This is Inquisition type thinking and an insult to the benevolence of Fr. Eusebio, who was obviously not afraid of Hindu strangers who needed help. In a free, secular and democratic society, there is no legal way to scare away those you do not approve of. Using their organs for transplants is a nice try at rationalizing the lynching that is your real goal. This kind of reasoning is a slippery slope, in my opinion. Tomorrow someone may try to justify killing poor people, or the homeless, in order to harvest their body parts. I suggest we stick to the legalities of your suggestion within the context of a democratic society instead of wandering off into these other areas.
[Goanet] RE: The Smearing of one...and the Bully Pulpitwalla
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- In response to the following from me: The so called Journos continue to sit on the fence, drinking cups of tea writing bogus stories - while censoring others (wonder IF this one will get through on GoaNet) Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] retorted With regard to the last line of above paragraph.. O-bli-me !! I am reading this on Goanet!! It must have gotten through only because Jose Colaco sent it here, I guess. O-bli-me !! Jose Colaco is back to his shenanigans !! While discussing a sensitive topic of insinuations by some people re a murdered priest, he chooses to do some insinuating himself in the process and diss some folk - all in the name of free speech. jc's response: Mogal Bosco, I will not join in your request that someone bli-you; (Blind = cocknye for Blind Me) The reason: I would NOT wish anyone to be blinder than they already are. Are you saying, Bosco that there are NO so called Journos continue to sit on the fence, drinking cups of tea writing bogus stories - while censoring others ? If you are not, pray tell me where the shenanigans'' reside - Your place or mine ? Don't see How I could have been held to have Insinuated anything. I believe that I have made my points quite clearly. I have been making the very same points since 1998. That is if we agree on the meaning of the word Insinuate. With much love but obly when you come down (albeit for a brief second) from your formatted bully pulpit. Now there you have it. No insinuation ...all is direct and upfront! jc _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[Goanet] Re: Public execution
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Hi Jose, I hope you are equally ashamed of our nth cousin and fellow Velkar Brutal Britto who walks Chin Up and Chest Out in Velim these days after brutually murdering his wife and mother-in-law over twenty years ago. He did serve time in Aguada prison - but was that justice to Lilly and her mother ? Please do not try to forgive and forget that crime. I know Jose, how proud you will be 20 years from now that one of your cousins had the foresight to predict: That Goa is in a state of anarchy because just like Brutal Britto, Amit Shukla and Manish Dubey walked free after brutually murdering Fr. Eusebio Ferrao. or That Goa is a peaceful state because (following my recommendations and the surge of public support), Amit Shukla and Manish Dubey's case was fast-tracked and these uncivilized dacoit Bhayyas were sentenced to death by stoning and cruxifiction upside down in the Margao Maidan and their organs were harvested for transplants. That was a strong deterrent for Goans or the Bhailles to commit murder in Goa. I have lived in Bengal and played hockey all over India. I have closely observed the scourge of the naxalbari movement, the Sikh insurgency and dacoitry. I do not wish that for Goa. You may not have experienced these extremes and that is why you have your Aao Portugues, Ami EEU views I have seen Brutal Britto at daily mass in the Velim Church recently - does that mean he is a better Catholic who will be fast-tracked to heaven ? Let me know know your views in this matter. Jose, you can falsely paint me in saffron or you can apologize for my views until you are blue in the face - I stand by my views and recommendations for the greater good of your beloved Goa. Best Regards, Carmo
[Goanet] Re: Public execution
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- 2006/3/24, CARMO DCRUZ : Hi Derek, In some of the states in the US like Florida, we are fortunate to have the death penalty which serves as a strong deterrent. It appears that Mario Goveia and others are more for criminal's rights that victim's rights - all in the name of justice. In Goa we need to make an example of fast track justice and exemplary punishment for Amit and Manish who have already confessed to murdering Fr. Ferrao, to serve as a strong deterrent to Goans and esp the Bhailles. Besides Cruxifiction on the cross on Good Friday will have special meaning for a number of Goans and will send a strong message to the rest of India. A Fast track trial and death sentence will also be more humane to Amit, Manish and their families, rather than a long drawn out court battle when the odds are against them. If they implement fair and fast track justice system in the US, most of the trial lawyers will go bankrupt. Thats the problem here - May be the US and the rest of the world will learn a lesson if Goa blazes the trail and sentences Amit Shukhla and Manish Dubey to death via a fasttrack legal process by public stoning, crucifiction and harvesting of their organs for transplants. Carmo Dear Carmo, Oh how ashamed I am that a relative of mine has such primitive views.. I know that you are BJP. But you must be on the other extreme of the BJP. I know no sensible person in the BJP (there might be some) would share your horrible views. For an highly educated person, you come across with disgraceful statements. BTW: would you direct me to the evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrant You could NOT be a Catholic by any stretch of imagination ...Not with these horrible views. jc
[Goanet] RE: Public execution
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that Mario Goveia and others are more for criminal's rights that victim's rights - all in the name of justice. Mario responds: Carmo, the above allegation is false. You seem confused by the difference between the legal process that I prefer, with a public lynching that you seem to think is a victim's right. I hope you, or someone you love, are never mistakenly identified and put in a position to be judged by people like you. That is what the legal system is designed to avoid. Carmo continues: If they implement fair and fast track justice system in the US, most of the trial lawyers will go bankrupt. That's the problem here - Mario responds: What you had suggested is for the Goa government to declare the suspects guilty, followed by one of two barbaric forms of public lynching. You have never suggested a fair trial, which is what the judicial system requires. BTW, the US system is not based on your notion of testicular virility, but to protect every individual from the barbaric ideas of people who think like you. When someone is executed in the US we know for sure that they were guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Then they are executed as humanely as possible. BTW, I strongly suggest you carefully re-read what Derek has written. The young man seems far wiser than his Uncle, and, probably out of respect, he has accepted at face value your patently bogus claim that you did not suggest bypassing the judicial system. However, he is obviously unfamiliar with the US system of justice, which is based on protecting the least among us from wrongful conviction by those with testicular virility.
[Goanet] Finally, some better news on bird flu
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003articleID=0003C46B-CB18-1421-84E683414B7F0101 No human to human transmission seems likely. The following is an excerpt from the link above: Deep in the respiratory system, receptors for avian viruses, including avian H5N1 viruses, are present, Kawaoka explains. But these receptors are rare in the upper portion of the respiratory system. For the viruses to be transmitted efficiently, they have to multiply in the upper portion of the respiratory system so that they can be transmitted by coughing and sneezing.
[Goanet] RE: Public execution
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that Mario Goveia and others are more for criminal's rights that victim's rights - all in the name of justice. Mario responds: Carmo, the above allegation is false. You seem confused by the difference between the legal process that I prefer, with a public lynching that you seem to think is a victim's right. I hope you, or someone you love, are never mistakenly identified and put in a position to be judged by people like you. That is what the legal system is designed to avoid. Carmo continues: If they implement fair and fast track justice system in the US, most of the trial lawyers will go bankrupt. That's the problem here - Mario responds: What you had suggested is for the Goa government to declare the suspects guilty, followed by one of two barbaric forms of public lynching. You have never suggested a fair trial, which is what the judicial system requires. BTW, the US system is not based on your notion of testicular virility, but to protect every individual from the barbaric ideas of people who think like you. When someone is executed in the US we know for sure that they were guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Then they are executed as humanely as possible. BTW, I strongly suggest you carefully re-read what Derek has written. The young man seems far wiser than his Uncle, and, probably out of respect, he has accepted at face value your patently bogus claim that you did not suggest bypassing the judicial system. However, he is obviously unfamiliar with the US system of justice, which is based on protecting the least among us from wrongful conviction by those with testicular virility.
[Goanet] Priest Murdered
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- From: Mario Goveia says My question is why was he having dinner with hindu boys late at night. Why did he go to the Passport office with Hindu boys who are not of Goan origin. WAS HE A HOMOSEXUAL? and if he was - who should be hanged? Wait for the courts to decide. Mario observes: Afra, Your questioning Fr. Eusebio's association with Hindus and your snide insinuations about his sexuality are the most despicable I have seen since I have been on Goanet. Carmo wants the government to simply declare the suspects guilty and hang them upside down in a public place. Now, you want anyone suspected of being homosexual to be hanged. And you guys have the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to call yourselves Christians? While I understand Carmo's frustration, what you have written in this post is downright shameful. Afra says, It is downright dispeakable that u cannot have an open mind and do not question the motives. Only the USA has homosexual priests and not India? Being a Christian means I should not question what the PRIESTS do? May be shameful to you - because you do not want to face the truth. Afra.
[Goanet] AIDS HIV
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Hi Goanetters, Elisabeth Carvalho said However, I don't think an AIDS test is a deterrent to post-marital sex. These men will visit prostitutes after they get married and will infect their wives. That much we can be sure off. AIDS is more a lifestyle disease and unless we inform people to change lifestyles, use condoms and practice safe sex, we won't be successful in preventing its spread. --- Afra says, Well said. It is narrow minded and hasty of Goa to bring this law into force. Just to be THE FIRST TO IMPLIMENT THIS LAW Syndrome. There are other more hidden diseases that the Goans have not taken into consideration. Especially in UK there is a compulsory test for every pregnant woman, what is it? Certainly not HIV. Afra.
[Goanet] Carmo's depiction of Mario
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Colleagues I want to disassociate myself from the terminology (bonka bot) used by Carmo in relation to Mario. On reflection, I can't believe that this can be acceptable on Goanet. It simply lowers the tone of any discourse, irrespective of Mario being challenging at times. Cornel
[Goanet] re: Goanet admin ability to read Konkani words a public apology to Mario
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- From: CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mario, I think you are exhibiting the characteristics of a typical Bonka-Bhot (Do Nothing) Dear Carmo, I publicly protest your use of the above words in the post to Mario. Just because you (might) disagree with Mario, does not mean you can use foul words in a public forum. Mario I publicly apologise to you on behalf of Carmo who has used the foul words in reference. It is possible that 1. Goanet admin don't mind Mario being abused or 2. The jokers cannot read (and understand) Konkani my apologies again jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its about time that Goans and Goan politicians demonstrate some testicular virility in dealing with such heinious crimes and not Bonka Bhot attitudes. Mario responds: Carmo, Get a grip. The post you are responding to has not even appeared on Goanet yet, but it will. When it does you will see that I did not call you an Ayatollah on Goanet but in a private e-mail. So, you let that cat out of the bag. BTW, the reason I called you a Goan Ayatollah is because the record shows that you think exactly like a real Ayatollah. Re. name-calling, If the shoe fits, wear it. I could not wear your Bonka Bhot shoe, because it just did not fit. On the one hand, you say you never called for bypassing the judicial system. On the other hand, you suggested one of two barbaric forms of public lynching conducted, not by the legal system, but by the government. Obviously, you could not do that without bypassing the judicial system. Then, you rationalize the extra-judicial lynching by suggesting that their organs be harvested. You are confusing the rule of law and a respect for the legal system with testicular virility, which is best reserved for the hockey field, not to mention confusing not-bypassing the judicial ststem, with by-passing it.
[Goanet] The Priest, the Cook , the Guests the Alcohol
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- JoeGoaUK writes: The Priest, the Cook, the Guests the Alcohol Now that police nabbed the 2 murderers, the motive behind the murder seems still remains suspicious. Some questions still remain un-answered (and may always remained un-answered due to the special case or treatment as this is a church matter) The priest is 61 The cook is 20 The guests- Manish 20 Amit 28. Mario writes: Joe, As someone who hides behing an alias on Goanet, you have now descended into the sewer with your vile insinuations about Fr. Eusebio. How did your twisted mind even go there? You deserve brickbats and rotten eggs because what you have attempted is character assassination. Without the slightest evidence, just mindboggling speculation, you are trying to rob a person of the only meaningful asset he leaves behind - his character and good name. This is incredibly reprehensible behavior when the person being accused, falsely according to those who know him, is incapable of defending himself. I find it amazing that the people who know him personally, like Basilio and Elisabeth, vouch for his exemplary character and selfless generosity, while those who don't know him, like you and Afra Dias and Godfrey Gonsalves, are busy besmirching his character and memory. How would you like some total strangers to destroy your name after you die? Think about it.
Re: [Goanet] NRI Association in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Floriano, As you have realized, Vivian is an experienced and accomplished administrator. Since you both obviously have your heads on your shoulders, and since the old NRI association has been destroyed by the assorted pokhros, burn outs and military mentalities, why don't you two put your heads and shoulders together and re-start and revitalize the concept and hold effective functions that are well organized and would not be accused of being pochpochit? You need to be careful, though. I have heard that when five Goans get together, you end up with ten opinions:-)) You can take the Goan NRI out of Goa, but can you take Goa out of the Goan NRI? That will be your challenge, and I hope you never burn out. Mario --- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vivian D'Souza needs to be commended for putting the work profile and/or the job of seeking some valid and useful answers to the NRI/NRG problems in Goa/India. Haven't I said before that Vivian has a head on his shoulders?
[Goanet] SHAME -- SHIGMOTSAV CANCELLED AT CURCHOREM ?
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Shame on the Goa Government. The last day of the five day Goa Legislative Assembly session from 20th March, 2006 to 24th March, 2006 witnessed a near turmoil when Opposition benches demanded from the treasury benches to know the reason why the traditional Shigmotsav celebrations due to be held at Curchorem were cancelled. While the Chief Minister who is also the Home Minister feared the recurrence of icidents affecting the law and order situation following the 3rd March, 2006 riots the Opposition were in no mood to take this lying down. Unfortunately the Speaker too did not allow the discussions and this earned the wrath of the Opposition This writer spoke to several persons in and around Panaji and Porvorim late evening and they were one in ecpressing resentment about the Government's cancellation of the festivities. It may be recalled that when the Navy did not permit the faithful to celebrate the Feast of Our Lady of Brotas at Anjediv on 2nd February, 2004 and 2005 there was a hue and cry raised not only by the Catholic community but also the entire Hindu community from Canacona and Karwar besides other parts of Goa as this had hurt the religious sentiments of the community. Infact on 2nd February, 2003 there was a near riot near the Binaga Gate and the Navy police personnel had a tough time in quelling the crowds who remained at the gate from 0600 hrs well past 1700 hrs to register their protest. It was left to this writer to broach the issue with the higher ups the President of India the Prime Minister and Madam Sonia Gandhi during her recent visit to India and it must be said to the credit of the Rajya Sabha member Mr Shantaram L Naik who raised the issue in the Rajya Sabha by way of special mention and a reply from the Union Defence Minister Mr Pranab Mukherjee is awaited. Therefore in the same manner the cowardice displayed by the ruling party in the Goa viz the Congress led coalition is condemnable. An enquiry with the police official at Panaji Headquarters revealed that there is no reliable evidence thus far of any threat perception at Curchorem if the Shigmotsav celebrations were held. Even assuming without admission if such a threat was imminent the Government could have made this public; but merely stating that the law and order situation is not conducive to allow such an event at this juncture smacks of a weak kneed decision. For the records the Zambaulim Gulal which indeed could have been put on a high alert went of well with adequate police protection. Therefore one sees no reason for the cancellation. One street vendor put it to this writer, stating if the Government fears such threats they may well have to close shop in promoting Goa as a 365 day destination. It is therefore left to the law makers to ensure that the festivities are carried out and they should remain present at the venue to build confidence among the people. GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9822158584 __ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com
Re: [Goanet] Re: Atheism
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- I find Mario's question below, to be pretty daft, loaded, and incredibly uninformed about the mind-sets of atheists even if there were such a collectivity called atheists with a definitive version of atheism, apart from a shared generalised view of it. In human concepts and the process of conceptualisation, there are infinite shades of meanings and understandings invested in them by individuals/people. Indeed, this is true for all religions too. If this were not true, there would not be so many periodic schisms in all religions such as Christianity and Islam. Further, selectivity in belief aspects of any religion is normal even among those who claim adherence to a given faith. Many atheists have pondered long and hard over the former religious affiliation acquired at an early age and before they could choose for themselves. After much thought, atheists arrive at a view about life and existence which is different from that of religious people and all that is entailed in organised religion. To suggest that there is some kind of laziness in the atheist (and even imply inadequacy), is to display incredible ignorance. Firstly, it is easy to accept the status quo but harder and more daunting to question received wisdom implicit in all religions. Secondly, human/social morality has preceded organised religion. In other words, religions are human inventions which draw on prior human morality already in existence. Humans do not need to be religious to be socially moral as atheists invariably point out. Unfortunately, this is something that Mario seems unable to understand . I want to suggest to Mario that, far from being lazy, atheists tend to be actively engaged in considerable and prolonged mental thought and that, it is easier to be lazy and accept religion instilled in early socialisation, than to question it. Indeed, I want to suggest that, Mario has been 'captured' by his religion and is perhaps too afraid to question it--and that, more than anything else, this could be envisioned as a mark of laziness if one wants to pursue a thread posited by his own question. I entirely respect religious people particularly if they have largely overcome personal doubts about aspects of their faith and have been sincerely persuaded by it. By the same token I am more than happy to respect any sincere atheists and I wish Mario would do too. Thirdly, I should suggest that Mario reads substantially about atheism before raising vacuous questions. I am increasingly persuaded that he is rather prone to do this. However, I may not go as far as Carmo's very recent vivid (BB) Konkani depiction of Mario on Goanet! Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Atheism -- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | Politics of Destruction | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jerry, Lazy deists look to a divine source to make up their moral code. All morality is based on empathy. Mario asks: Is it more lazy to be held responsible and accountable by a universal moral code required by membership in an organized religion - including Buddhism and Jainism - or is it more lazy to be an atheist who claims to have made up his own moral code based on personal convenience, is able to change it as and when it suits him based on situational convenience, and is not responsible or accountable to anyone, other than the law in whatever society they live in?
[Goanet] RE: Public execution
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Hi Derek, In some of the states in the US like Florida, we are fortunate to have the death penalty which serves as a strong deterrent. It appears that Mario Goveia and others are more for criminal's rights that victim's rights - all in the name of justice. In Goa we need to make an example of fast track justice and exemplary punishment for Amit and Manish who have already confessed to murdering Fr. Ferrao, to serve as a strong deterrent to Goans and esp the Bhailles. Besides Cruxifiction on the cross on Good Friday will have special meaning for a number of Goans and will send a strong message to the rest of India. A Fast track trial and death sentence will also be more humane to Amit, Manish and their families, rather than a long drawn out court battle when the odds are against them. If they implement fair and fast track justice system in the US, most of the trial lawyers will go bankrupt. Thats the problem here - May be the US and the rest of the world will learn a lesson if Goa blazes the trail and sentences Amit Shukhla and Manish Dubey to death via a fasttrack legal process by public stoning, crucifiction and harvesting of their organs for transplants. Carmo From: Derek Saldanha To: Carmo, Carmo Subject: Public execution Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:59:11 +0530 Uncle Carmo, I'm glad you clarified that you are not in favour of by-passing the judicial process. Now that the culprits have been nabbed, i hope the trial moves fast. Mob-lynching etc. will lead to anarchy. You seem to be in favour of the Islamic Shariah type of justice. But please remember that many innocent people are killed in Saudi Arabia and China and other non-democratic countries. The reason is obvious- there is no accountability on part of the administration and most of all there is no free press. However, I do support public execution or the killing can be filmed and shown on television. This will act as a deterrent. The logic used under Shariah law is that after seeing a person being executed in public, it will act as a deterrent. Why don't you write to the Federal Justice Deparment and the State Justice Deparment suggesting that public executions be done in the States as well? It may help reduce the crime rate. The need not behead - they can use the electric chair or lethal injection but telecast it LIVE on TV. This case also highlights the perils of alcohol consumption. I am not transferring the blame from the murderers to the alcohol but it is an important point to note. The murderers were intoxicated when they commited the crime thanks to the beer they had with the priest. This should serve as a lesson to all not to serve alcohol to persons who are not well known to them. These Bhaiyas must have not known the difference between beer and pepsi. Derek
Re: [Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sidA6 | -- On 24/03/06, Herman D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID, IF THE CRIMINALS TRIED AND PROVEN GUILTY IN COURT, IN MY OPINION THEY SHOULD BE. DONT YOU AGREE? RESPONSE: Sorry don't agree, I think they should be 'hung, quartered and drawn' this is what happened to many Catholics in Britain in the past, please click on to the URL below:- http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/hdq.html -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- sunil monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a lay man a social worker, educate me on the Portuguese History in Goa, not the Good things but what according to you are their negative footprints they have left in Goa which is not happening now. I think we should start from here.(Now please don't tell me to read it myself) Mario replies: Sunil, You are missing the point. I have nothing against the Portuguese people. In fact, I have praised them. This issue has nothing to do with what little good the Portuguese may have done in Goa, or what bad they did not do in comparison with the current batch of scoundrels that govern Goa. There are some Goans, mostly Catholics, including you obviously, who preferred to be under the thumb of a European country, and can rationalize it, as you have done on the basis of security, or some other excuse. On the other hand, you are willing to overlook the fact that they acquired Goa by force, held it by force for 450 years, used it for their own benefit, underdeveloped it, converted most of our families by force, brutalized some of the population during the Inquisition, and pretended it was an overseas province well after the era of colonialism had been declared over by the rest of the civilized world. Others like myself, prefer freedom and democracy and self rule, which is the inalienable right of every country. But freedom is never free and watching a democracy is like watching sausage being made. It takes a lot of work because you are now your own bosses, without some white men telling you what's good for everyone. Beyond the philosophical difference of opinion, let us look at the reality of the situation. The fact is that you cannot have the Portuguese back any more. So, instead of looking forward and seeing what can be done to make Goa better - for example, by electing honest people instead of the raft of self-serving politicians that get re-elected every time - you and your ilk sit back and yearn for the good old days when we were ruled by white people and moan and complain about everything. In the meantime, nothing gets done to make Goa better. I will close by recommending to you and everyone else the positive attitude of Bonefacio Lopes of Loutolim, who said on March 21 as follows: Please, let's stop criticising each other on the net, lets find solutions solutions, solutions to all the Goan problems, solutions of bringing the Goan youth in the right track, drugs, sex, crimes, diseases, prostitution etc are some of these factors where our Goan youth are driving towards, how best we can help these children. Portuguese passport or nationality is not the issue, what lies ahead for our GOAN YOUTH in their own GOA where most of the outsiders have postioned themselves very well. How long we are going to run overseas for employment? Let's think for a while and assist each other for the betterment of every Goan To which I said, AMEN!
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sidA6 | -- On 24/03/06, Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another example are the Indians in HK. Before the hand over in 1997 of that British colony the Indians there were desperate to lay a hand on Bridish nationality. Correct me if I am wrong Gabe. BC RESPONSE: Yes that is correct and neither the U.K. nor India wants themThe Rich Indians in H.K. like Murjani, will no doubt get residence anywhere, it is the working people who might suffer! Perhaps Tom D'Souza from H.K. would like to shed further light on this? Still 45 years or so away? I left H.K. in the mid 80's. Please read the link below :- http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/www/pubs/prism/nov95/03.html -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] 26th March BSNL Consumer Interaction and Open House
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! - - BSNL Consumer Interaction and Open House at Nuvem - A BSNL Consumer Interaction and Open House is being organised by Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited (BSNL) in collaboration with the Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GOACAN) and Nuvem Civic and Consumer Forum at the Mae de Pobres High School, Nuvem at 11am on Sunday 26th March. The Consumer Interaction which is being organised as part of the ongoing GOACAN Consumer Rights Awareness Fortnight will have the participation of the BSNL Goa Telecom General Manager A.K. Desarkar and senior officials besides representatives of various Consumer Forums. BSNL Consumers are invited to attend the Consumer Interaction and Open House and take benefit of the program. --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org --- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: 3/24/2006
Re: [Goanet] Re: Atheism
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario, True moral values cannot be made accountable to anyone other than one's self. Mario responds: This is precisely the self-serving situation I talk about. Whatever is convenient goes, or can be rationalized. Kevin writes: Our youth look to us for guidance in establishing these values and tend to get discouraged as they see through fictitious characters we have created to try to teach them those values (tooth fairy, santa claus, angels, demons, (god?)) Mario responds: Generations of experience show us that very few kids get discouraged by the imposition of a religious moral code that they are held accountable for. BTW, the tooth fairy, santa claus, angels and demons have nothing to do with a religious moral code. You don't seem to have learned much in your previous life as a daily Mass and Rosary Catholic. Kevin writes: If you have to live your life according to arbitrary rules created on a theologian's whim or papal decree as opposed to ones that have been established by discussion, debate and democratic principles as in most of our legal rules) then you have to live with everything else that is thrown at you under the guise of religion. Mario responds: You are obviously unaware of the basis, rationale or even the content of religious moral codes. They are hardly arbitrary, or based on a theologian's whim but on the accumulated wisdom and experience of centuries in most cases. Papal decrees are made after far more study and reflection than an atheist evangelist like you would ever be able to acknowledge, for your own benefit. Your descriptions fit far more closely with the moral codes of unorganized individual atheist, except that it is each and every individual atheist's whim, based on individual convenience. Perhaps YOU engaged in some sort of reflection and introspection, but you grew up under a strict Catholic moral code, obviously too strict for you. What did you add after deleting the first three of the Ten Commandments? What discussion and debate are you asserting for the average individual atheist? Most of them delete the first three of the Ten Commandments and change the rest into the Seven Suggestions. The democratic principles and legal rules are mostly based on religious moral codes, and are the only societal controls on unorganized atheists and supercedes their individual thinking and convenience.
[Goanet] Re: Priests and non-Catholics in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Basilio, Your post was one of the most balanced I have read. Yes, Goa has changed a lot, particularly the villages, they are no longer the dormant, sleepy places only good as holiday Resorts. There is such vibrancy in my own Village Verna. As a child, the church was swept and cleaned maybe once a month by the much overworked'peddo but now we see the church spruced up, regularly cleaned by people from different wards, there are parish councils, youth groups, and various activities and these are attended by everyone, Catholics, Hindus and Muslims and nobody is bothered by this fact. Priests have played and continue to play a large role in our Villages, there are factions who love them and those that dislike them, depending on various circumstances, for Villages as everyone knows have their own politics, which again differ from village to village, the Verna politics may be different from those of Cansaulim ! But at the end of it, we are all people with dreams, aspirations, needs and weaknesses, loves and hates. Priests are no different, they too are human, and they too need human company as much as any other person, imagine their dilema, and most of all imagine their loneliness, at the end of the day, when we are at the dinner table surrounded by our families, watching TV, eating, squabbling and all those simple, tiny things that make living in a family worthwhile, what does a priest have, a solitary dinner with a little conversation thrown in by the cook and nothing more. Maybe we expect too much from our priests, we expect them to do good, we expect them to finish the Mass as soon as possible !! To preach well, and not to have any wants but most of all we never ever think of how lonely thay are, it must be terrible, so if they stray and do something that we do not think is appropriate,let us forgive them, let us think that they give us much more than we can ever repay and most of all let God be their judge. Warm wishes Sonia do Rosario Gomes
[Goanet] RE: Welcome to Goanet
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- I should like to extend my earlier welcome to Goanet to Agnelo Pinto from Panjim. His single contribution to date was rather intriguing. I particularly look forward to more of his reflections about contributors to Goanet. Cornel
[Goanet] re: nri delegation
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Further to what I wrote on the visit of the NRI team to Gulf countries and of the meeting at Khaleej Times, I wish to add that the meeting is under the auspices of the Khaleej Times International Forum. An ad for the same says, An Interactive Discussion on India on the Fast Track. Guest speaker Shri Kamal Nath, Minister of Commerce and Industry. It's on Tuesday, Marcy 28 at 4 pm at the Khaleej Times Building. The discussions will be followed by a QA session. To register, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calll Deesha Bhatia at 050-6575456. Not sure if the minister would be able to answer non-industry related questions, such as NRI property, cheap flights. The Goan Society in Dubai should make it a point to send representatives. The Indian diplomats, including Ambassador GM Bhandari, are most likely to attend. Does anyone knows the date when the Goan NRI team is visiting and meeting people in Dubai? Eugene Correia
[Goanet] Konkani Mass at Cranford 26th April - Special Ven. Fr Agnel's Novena Mass
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Dear Netters Please note that the Konkani Mass celebrated this Sunday 26th March will be a special Ven. Fr Agnel's Novena Mass. The Mass will be celebrated at Our Lady and St Christopher's Catholic Church, 32 High Street, Cranford, Middlesex TW5 9RG at 5pm, with a get-to-gather after. Please pass on the information to anyone who you think might be interested. For further details and schedule of forthcoming masses please call The Chaplaincy on 0208 665 2176 or send an e-mail directly to me. warm regards Ciril de Quadros (for Fr Oliver Antao, Goan Chaplain) 'no one is so poor that he cannot give, and no one is so rich that he cannot receive' Fr Tony Lopes
[Goanet] Crucifying upside down..........................
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- To the proponents of the knee-jerk reaction of crucifying upside down the murderers of Fr. Ferrao, may I respectfully suggest that you start practicing the Yoga pose Sirsa Asana or standing on your head for a period of time. You will find the increased circulation to your heads will bring clarity to your minds and you will also be able to watch the spectacle right side up ?
[Goanet] Pl. Identify this Landmark
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Pl. Identify this Landmark Some Clues: Recently renovated and was in the news Around January this year. Remember popular 'Arlem Festival'? see photo here http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/114602127/ for non-flikrs http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/detail?.dir=9338.dnm=6a89scd.jpg.src=ph Any problem with the accessing/viewing, pl let me know so that I can re-send the link [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
[Goanet] TUM KOSSO SOT MANDTAI TUJEA PONNJEAK PAI ASLO MHUNNON?
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- TUM KOSSO SOT MANDTAI TUJEA PONNJEAK PAI ASLO MHUNNON? (How do you believe your great grandfather had father?) Legend: Mundkar (Tenant) = M; Bhattkar (Landlord) = B M: Saiba Santa Khursa, tum polong Jezuchea mornancho ani alaxiro gorjevontancho. Saiba, tuvem mhaka maglolo to adhar dilo dekun hea fulanim hanvem tuzo upkar farik kela. Tosoch tum zaitea zannancher upkar kortai, punn hea tempar konnuch chintinam, karann sonvsarachi rit kobar zait voita ani munxeakull rochnarachi jit khevta. Tum tankam bhogos Saiba, kiteak te noklllot soglleank asa mhunnon ti Dev nit. Tum tankam bhogos Saiba; itlench mojem magnnem. (Oh Holy Cross, you are Jesus' death bedstead and succor of the needy. Lord, I am garlanding you in appreciation of the favors you granted me. Similarly, you grant favors to many but nobody thinks of you these days; the custom of the world is slowly vanishing and mankind acts stubborn with the Creator. Forgive them Lord, for they know not there's God's justice to all; forgive them Lord, that's all I ask of you.) B: Hem asa tem nennarponn eka goribachem; gorje bhair duddu ogddavn khursak fulam ghalpachem. Caitan, tuka konn sangta tea khursan Dev asa mhunnon? (Here it is; the ignorance of a poor person; garlanding a cross with flowers and unnecessarily wasting money. Cajetan, who told you there is God in that cross?) M: Bhattkara, hem anik sangonk zaem? Zuim bhavart asa thuim Dev asa. (Landlord, do I need to tell you? Wherever there is faith, there is God.) B: Tuvem jivea Devak pollela? (Did you see live God?) M: Jivea Devak? Nam. (Live God? No.) B: Zalear tujean koxem sot mandunk zata Dev asa mhunnon? (Then how do you believe that there is God?) M: Bhattkara, amche voddil tem mandun geleat ani jem amchea voddilanim xikoilam tem ami sot mandtanv ani teach bhavartan ami choltanv. Punn bhattkara, tum he porim goribak, xikop nasleleak, kiteim borem sangche svater, tum sangonk sodtai ki Dev nam mhunnon? (Landlord, our ancestors have accepted this fact; we believe in what they taught us and follow that faith. But landlord, instead of giving a good piece of advice to a poor, illiterate, are you trying to tell me that there is no God?) B: Caitan, hanv tuka tench sangonk sodtam. (Cajetan, thats exactly what I am trying to tell you.) M: Punn, tum mhaka ek sang polloviea! (But, you tell me one thing!) B: Kitem re tem? Arre, hanvem tujea lagim vincharlam tuvem jivea Devak pollela kai mhunn? (What is it? I asked: Did you see live God?) M: Nam; hanvem polleunk nam. Punn tum mhaka sang bhattkara, tuvem tujea ponnjeachea paik pollela? (No; I did not see. But you tell me landlord, did you see your great grandfathers father?) B: Nam. (No.) M: Pollevnk nam! Zalear tum kosso sot mandtai tujea ponnjeak pai also mhunnon? (You didnt see! Then how do you believe your great grandfather had father? B: Arre pixea! Xapaichea xapaik pai nastannam xapai zavnk nozo; xapai nastannam pai zavnk nozo, ani pai nastannam hanv zavnk nozo. (You stupid guy! If my great grandfather didnt have father, my grandfather wouldnt be born; without grandfather, my father wouldnt be born, and without my father I wouldnt be born. M: Toxem zalear xannea bhattkara, Dev nastannam sonvsar rocho nozo ani sonvsar rochonastannam munis rochonozo. (In that case my learned landlord, there cannot be world without God and man without world.) B: Tum mhaka kitem sangonk sodtai re? Mhaka podvi asa mhaka zai tednam to khuris moddunk! (What are you trying to tell me? I have the power to demolish that cross any time I wish!) M: Hoi bhattkara. Ani Devakui podvi asa zai tednam tuka sonvsarantlo kaddunk. (Yes, landlord. And God too has the power to take you away from this world whenever He wishes.) B: Hai, hai, hai, hai, hai! Tum kitem uloitai tem sintidan uloi! (Hai, hai, hai, hai, hai! Watch out what you say!) M: Bhattkara, hanv jem poi kitem uloilam tem sintidanuch uloilam. (Landlord, whatever I said, I have said it while in my senses.) Bhattkar tiddkin koddsoron voita. (The landlord gets
Re: [Goanet] Atheism
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True moral values cannot be made accountable to anyone other than one's self. Moreover, in atheistic religions such as Buddhism and Jainism one is not accountable to a higher being. There is also no universal moral code common to all religions, theistic or atheistic. Many elements of the moral code of each religion are completely arbitrary and trivial. Indeed, what is held as a moral value according to a particular organized or unorganized religion might be illegal and cruel in the modern context. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Hi Mario, Thanks for your feedback. I hate resorting to the typical Goan way of name-calling when engaging in a stimulaing dialog - but since you referred to me as the Goan Ayatollah in your last email, I think you are exhibiting the characteristics of a typical Bonka-Bhot (Do Nothing) Goan who is rather oblivious to the perils faced by our Goans in Goa Today and would prefer to do nothing about them. In my previous emails, I have never called for bypassing the judicial system. Instead I woud prefer a swift trial and a death sentence by public stoning and upside down cruxifiction of the UP bhayya dacoits Amit Shukla and Manish Dubey in the Margao Maidan and harvesting of their organs for transplants. Now that the criminals have been apprehended, I believe that the wheels of justice can be accelerated to carry out the sentence by Good Friday 2006. Having studied in Bombay and Bengal and played hockey all over India, I have first hand experiences of the perils of dacoitry, the Sikh insurgency, the naxalite movement and banditry in different parts of India. I would hate to see our beloved Goa ruined by such criminals. Its about time that Goans and Goan politicians demonstrate some testicular virility in dealing with such heinious crimes and not Bonka Bhot attitudes. Best Regards, Carmo D'Cruz
[Goanet] GOA AND PEOPLE OF GOA NEEDS PRAYERS
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- GOA needs a local party , Goa needs a change, Goans need a change, its time to investigate the moments of each and every Non-goan be it , of indian origin or outside India. Pray that GOA will not be a victim of terrorist attacks, pray that Goans are going to be safe , pray that all sacred places be it of a hindu, muslim or catholic or any other religion are well protected , pray that there will be no more murders of priests. With such developments in the first quarter of the year 2006 , we ought to pray that the rest nine months are going to full of peace , happiness, well being of each and every one and lastly Unity , which is missing .Tourist season which has almost started is just not fun anymore after , plans of the terrorist to Bomb few places in goa were discovered , wonder what is the next plan. If Goans are not vigilant enough , they will cry , literally cry and it will be difficult for any Goan to rise again. Prayers can only help goa, as Goans cannot help each other or come together in the struggle of protecting Goa . Avertano
[Goanet] Britain needs Indian cooks, says Keith Vaz
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sidA6 | -- Britain needs Indian cooks, says Keith Vaz Source: IANS. London, March 21 : Keith Vaz, prominent British lawmaker of Indian origin, has urged the Tony Blair government to relax the immigration system so that cooks from India can obtain work permits to work in Indian restaurants in Britain. Vaz, the Labour MP from Leicester - a town in the east Midlands with a large minority of Indian origin - told the House of Commons that Indian and Chinese restaurants in Leicester were facing a crisis due to shortage of cooks. Indian and Chinese restaurants in Leicester are known as among the best in Britain, Vaz said. The diverse dishes served in the restaurants are cooked by chefs trained in their home countries, he added. Urging Home Secretary Charles Clarke to relax the new immigration system, Vaz noted that the demand for cooks from India and China was greater since many of the founders of Indian and Chinese restaurants who opened their establishments in the 1960s were approaching retirement and their children had no interest in running them. Vaz said: I welcome the government's attempt to simplify a very complicated immigration system. However, I remain gravely concerned that it will not deal with the huge level of shortages of chefs for Indian and other South Asian restaurants. According to Vaz, Britain had the largest number of Indian restaurants outside India - numbering almost 10,000. They serve some two million meals a week and the sector was worth £3.2 billion to the British economy. Clarke said he did not agree with the points raised by Vaz but promised to monitor the system. Owners of Indian and Chinese restaurants have been told to recruit east European cooks who now have the right to work in Britain. The owners have been resisting this on the ground that cooking the specialised food involved knowing the culture of the cuisine. http://www.msn.co.in/ Upgrade your account today for increased storage; mail forwarding or POP enabled e-mail with automatic virus scanning. Visit our member benefits page at https://members.canada.com/benefits.aspx for more information.
[Goanet] RE: The Smearing of one who is unable to respond et HIV testing.
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- On Thu Mar 23 12:58:32 PST 2006 jose colaco wrote: The so called Journos continue to sit on the fence, drinking cups of tea writing bogus stories - while censoring others (wonder IF this one will get through on GoaNet) With regard to the last line of above paragraph.. O-bli-me !! I am reading this on Goanet!! It must have gotten through only because Jose Colaco sent it here, I guess. O-bli-me !! Jose Colaco is back to his shenanigans !! While discussing a sensitive topic of insinuations by some people re a murdered priest, he chooses to do some insinuating himself in the process and diss some folk - all in the name of free speech. Lent - the fifth season of the year ! Best - Bosco Upgrade your account today for increased storage; mail forwarding or POP enabled e-mail with automatic virus scanning. Visit our member benefits page at https://members.canada.com/benefits.aspx for more information.
[Goanet] Goans/Goan Club/Goaneters in Seoul
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- A Goan friend is moving to Seoul shortly. Any Goans/Goan Club/Goaneters in Seoul? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Desa Doha, Qatar
[Goanet] Re: HIV test to be made mandatory for marriage
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- On Thu Mar 23 07:47:12 PST 2006 Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: However, I don't think an AIDS test is a deterrent to post- marital sex. These men will visit prostitutes after they get married and will infect their wives. That much we can be sure off. RESPONSE: A tad-bit presumptious but I understand These men is a reference to Goan motorcycle pilots that were earlier referenced by Gilbert. You don't appear to see any merit in the Government's requirement to encourage couples to take a pre-marital HIV test. These same couples may have indulged in pre-marital sex with each other and/or several partners and in doing so may already be HIV+. If HIV+ people are treated at government-run hospitals like the GMC, it's the average Goan who has to pay for the treatment via their taxes. If the relationship results in children, who are in turn HIV+ - that becomes a social problem now. There is an NGO in Goa that looks after such kids. The name fails me now. Maybe Tony Barros can help me out. Why do priests send prospective brides and grooms to marriage counselling courses ? Would that be seen as an invasion of privacy too? Why do some employers ensure their newly-hired employees go through a thorough medical exam ?? Who bears the cost of treatment when employees fall ill? What about the cost of absence from work ? Why do Goans and others go thru a battery of tests before getting that visa stamped on their passport to the desert kingdoms of the Gulf ?? Again, those governments do not want to bear the cost of treating an individual who is HIV+ or has (had) TB at some time. Read about the plight of this Indian: http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=138806Sn=BNEWIssueID=29003 Yes, people in the pathology biz will make a quick buck and probably some at the marriage registrar offices too. Yes, education is the best means to handle the HIV epidemic. Is success tangible in a society like India where literacy levels vary and HIV infections are exploding to epidemic levels. Living in Toronto in 2003 when SARS broke out, people of all stripes were scared. Even the ArchBishop sent out an order that the faithful should not exchange the sign of peace during Mass, mind you after sitting/standing for 45 mins next to the same person. Didn't make sense then, does not make sense now. Best - Bosco T-dot, CA --- March 24 - World Tuberculosis Day - The bigger killer http://www.dailyindia.com/show/11302.php/Tuberculosis_hampering_countrys_economy(March_24_is_World_Tuberculosis_Day)
[Goanet] Re: The Athletics Drought (V M de Malar)
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- U spoke my mind, Marlon. Unfortunately, a triathlon event will not require a multiplex so its out. Goa is a place created for a triathlon or a watersports event. Malaysia and Thailand use events like to boost tourism. Any thing that is easy and can promote tourism BUT does not require large scale construction and infrastructure development is out becoz what is in it for the Goan politician? --- Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there athletic clubs in Goa that one could sponsor? I think Goa is potentially a great venue for Triathalon type events, specially in the more secluded South Goa area.
[Goanet] Concert: Negro Spirituals
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- FYI - Dear Friends, I will be giving a concert of Negro Spirituals this Sunday, March 26th at 2:00 pm. It will take place at St. Emydius Church (286 Ashton Avenue, San Francisco, California - off of Ocean Avenue). Admission is free, but donations are welcome. Sorry for the late notice. Please feel free to forward this invite to anyone else who you think might be interested in this genre. Hope you can make it!!! Patricia Barboza
[Goanet] Fr. Ferrao's murder
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Dear Sir, We have seen in the past month a series of untoward events beginning with communal riots, through the vandalisation of the Comba cross and culminating finally with the murder of Fr. Ferrao. I wish to point out certain peculiarities. 1)All the incidents occurred in South Goa. 2) After the communal riots certain politicians started talking of outsiders. 3)There was a Panjim Election 4) Subsequent to the Election there was vandalisation of the Combas Cross and the priests murder 5)When the murder occurred as if on cue the police blamed and caught outsiders. I am not drawing conclusions. I am merely stating salient facts. We Goans have no record of Communalism. Instead among the three main Communities there is a strong sense of fraternity.This is a shame on us. Regards, Philip D'Souza
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- What about those who came with their Morris'es to Goa (India rule)? Are/were they illegal? I met a few if not many ex Uganda hindus in the UK. They call the UK their mutter land. Now they they want to buy homes in Goa because the BNP is hot on their heels. Besides I am told that India was never in the agenda of their return. Another example are the Indians in HK. Before the hand over in 1997 of that British colony the Indians there were desperate to lay a hand on Bridish nationality. Correct me if I am wrong Gabe. BC Dominic Says : Sorry ! Bernardo , just a slight correction here . These Indians in Uganda , were holders of British passports and British Protectorate Id cards . Many of them tried to come back to India the home of their forefathers , but were denied entry by the Indira Gandhi Govt . The UK was forced to accept them either because they held British Passports / Protectorate Documents . This in now way entitles them to call the UK their motherland . regards Dominic ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Sal picos by Mário Cabral e Sã
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Hello Goanet, I wonder if any on this list has read the articles by Mário Cabral e Sã in the O Heraldo dated the late 50's? Any information in this regard is greatly appreciated. Kind regards BC ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Auroville
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Radhakrishnan You raise an interesting question about Auroville. «« It is known in India such communes are mainly for shacking purposes such as the Rajneesh ashram. BC ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Priest Murder Case: What Papers reported today ? 24/03/06
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- About 8 days today, nothing much coming out from the Goa Police or from the accused. Whole thing seems dying down now.. Let's see what Goan English Dailies reported today Friday (24.3.06) Herald: Front Page. Priest murder weapon found on Thursday- Kitchen knife used on the night of March 17. It was recovered in a broken condition in some bushes nearbywill be sent for forensic examination tomorrow. Now the knife is found, the police are now in the process of bringing the clothes worn by the accused on the night of the murder. ..Police interrogated them separately and the version of the murder shared by them has been found to be identical. ..Police are also awaiting direction from the court for the identification parade to 'Pick Out' the accused. What Navhind Times Says ? (on page 3) .The investigating Officer in the Priest murder retrieved two pieces of a small kitchen knife used by the killers.. However, Mr. Mishra (Dy. General of Police) feared that after such a long period of time and especially as it was lying in the open, there might not be any blood stains left on the knife. ..Police team will be leaving soon to Nagpur to recover the clothes that were worn by them on the night. ..recorded statements jointly and separately but ruled out any new twist and said that they are repeating the same old story. However, Gomantak Times, in its own investigation, has discovered that Manish went on a month's leave hours before the Priest's murder and says its findings strongly indicate that priest's killing was well planned. Briefly... Manish submitted his leave application (to appear for his pending examination) in the evening of 16th March (more than 24hrs before the murder). Manish work for Transport Co. (Universal Road Carriers) at Aquem, Margao owned by Mr. R. Sharma. His salary was Rs.2500/pm plus allowances (also night accommodation if he works late) It was reported earlier on all news papers that they attached the Priest because he was frustrated at not getting a job (but he already had one as above). His Duty involves handling of cash and goods. His Employer Mr. Sharma claims that he (Manish) was soft spoken, well behaved, honest and dutiful I am totally shocked that Manish who respected other has been accused of murder of priest Incidentally, Mr. Sharma also informed that Manish Leave Application was been taken in possession by the Maina Curtorim Police, therefore signifying that the Police knows about the accused applying for leave. Strangely, this info was not yet disclosed by the Police. That's it, More tomorrow Do you wish this type of updates on daily basis ? or you will read yourself on the net by visiting various news websites ? Let me know, if I am wasting my and your time. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry
[Goanet] Global Goans
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Floriano has discredited not one but two NRG / Goan global organizations as seen from his post (below). I do not want to get into this discussion, since I am ignorant of the issues in Goa. There is bound to be a back and forth. We are already seeing this. To me the take-home message for the Diaspora Goans is simple. It sounds very altruistic to try and help Goa and native Goans. But distance and time make it very difficult. More over sooner rather than latter, the well-intentioned efforts are likely to be contaminated by some unscrupulous individuals. For Diaspora Goan leaders who undertake these efforts / leads the groups, this would be embarrassing (for a minimum), be a victim of gossip, or a LEGAL LIABILITY. Not to mention the disappointment of his / her friends and supporters who participated in the endeavor. I have personanlly experienced this let-down from my own donation. So Diaspora Goans should work hard and cooperatively to promote their culture and community in their own backyard, in their own country. This is not necessarily easy given the poor quality of leadership and factionalism we have among Diaspora groups, in spite of our education and sophistication. I do not understand why Rene did not build this global association as an extension of the WGD. Perhaps he tried but the self-centered Diaspora leaders showed no interest to expand and grow into a global association. Kind Regards, GL Floriano Lobo: Goasuraj Our only warning to Mr. Rene Barrtto is to lay-off from selling the Global Goans in the hands of the RSS. Grow-up Mr. Rene Barreto. Will you? Goa has a last chance to come out of the fudge that we Goans have created over the centuries by being self-centered and by displaying our one-upmanships for our own vested goods. Let us now collectively join-up together to save our own skins before they are put up on the drying line by the RSS goons going around in sheepÂs clothing. We at goasuraj had tough time in admonishing Mr. Jaime Rebello and his colleagues from inaugurating the song and dance NRI Forum at LeonoraÂs at Verna very recently. Now we find that you are a busy-bee in selling the Global Goans to the RSS lock-stock and barrel.
[Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Hello Elisabeth Carvalho Lets become Christians not filled with vengeance ,Lets FORGIVE ; which makes us Christians, Let more follow from other faith and become Christians. Lewis are Levites elisabeth_car@ wrote: Hehehe, Marlon that was hilarious!! They say nature abhors a vacuum. Obviously not, if we take into account the vacuum between people's ears. Carvalho ;)
[Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID, IF THE CRIMINALS TRIED AND PROVEN GUILTY IN COURT, IN MY OPINION THEY SHOULD BE HANGED. IF THIS LAW IS CARRIED ON STRICTLY IT WILL DETER OTHERS NOT TO DO THE SAME CRIME OR MURDER. ANYONE CAN BEAR 25 YEARS OR LIFE TERM JAIL PUNISHMENT AS LONG AS THEY LIVE, HOWEVER NO ONE WANTS TO DIE YOUNG ATLEAST. DONT YOU AGREE?
[Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- I understand and agree that we can all get along. But can we get along with people who come in with devilish intentions? in the 70s or 80s i remember in Goa, we could go out with our doors open, just a dog to guard the house. Try doing it now. I was very happy and proud that the Goan Police was quick to nab the culprits, but if proven guilty, they should be brought to extreme justice, not holding them in prison at the cost of the state, for another 10-25 years before they get released again. A strong law and rule is required to ward off such dubious characters, otherwise Goans peaceloving life will be engulfed with problems regards Herman --- Marlon Menezes wrote: I would like to pay tribute to the exempleary courage exhibited by Heman and Como in pushing for the immediate execution of these alleged criminals.
[Goanet] Re: Welcome to Goanet
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- On 22/03/06, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabe says.. I am, in any case stopping these postings as now.. === Gabe, Don't know why you are stopping. I always like yours and everybody's informative postings with links etc. I said it here several times, and I will say it again. I am grateful to all those who try to inform us in some way or the other. Yes, every one can access internet, but who got time to access each and every site ? We Goemkars need every thing ready made anyway. And remember, there might be many News sites on the web but to choose and pick and/or mix the right one (and to post on Goanet) is itself, is an art. RESPONSE: Thank you for your kind words. The admin, I am given to understand, will be delivering the news very shortly. As the fake Fakir, Agnelo Pinto, of the US has implied who needs to see postings from Herald and Navhind, when one can easily navigate to these sites ? -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * March 24, 2006 * Mickky disbands his Fransa-Pax Football Club...
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] / d8 Founded in e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ 1994 by 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Herman 88_88 | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 Carneiro / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 Cb 88_-~ 88_-888 888 888 88___/ 88_/ Y http://www.goanet.org * Building social capital. - GOANET NEWS BYTES * MARCH 24, 2006 * DATELINE GOA -- o Goa assembly passes appropriation bill. Goa legislature passed the Goa appropriation (vote on account) bill 2006 for Rs 1386.87 crore, allowing the state to undertake expenses for the next four months, till a full budget discussion is held and the budget passed in the House. (NT) Incidentally, the recent practice of holding 'vote on account' options in recent years seems to have subverted a more serious discussion on various aspects of the budget. o Players hope for a rethink: Fransa-Pax Football Club players fear they will end up as the sacrificial lambs at the altar of Mickky Pacheco's forced decision to disband the club. http://oheraldo.in/node/11443 o It's all over for Fransa-Pax: Fransa-Pax Football Club has shut shop. Well, almost. (Its management was) angered by the All India Football Federation's Appeal Committee decision not to replay their controversial match against Air India. http://oheraldo.in/node/11444 o No future for football in India, says Mickky. (NT) o Fransa Pax chief seeks resignation of AIFF executive.(NT) o Fatorda One Day tickets to have security features. (NT) o Bagan trouce Salgaocar 3-0 in Kolkata NFL match. (PTI) o FC Siolim in finals of London Trophy, Goa Velha. (NT) o FC Siolim pip UC Nerul at Saligao Grounds. (NT) o 30 applicants for Indian football coach post. (NT) o Bill on comunidade land referred to select panel. The new law proposes to empower the government to take over comunidade land on lease without any restrictions. (NT) o Panic on Cansaulim beach belt: Residents from the Arrosim and Cansaulim area were in a state of panic, due to thick clouds in the air this morning. Some people thought there was agas leak. The Mormugao authorities later found out that there was heavy moisture generated over the coastal belt due to some environmental changes.NT o Take measures to control health hazards, PWD told.(NT) o 211 government schools identified for urgent repairs.NT Authorities greeted by stink at Fakir Bund nalla: The choked one-and-half metre broad drainage -- covered with all sorts of plastics, tyres, rubber, contaminated and stinking water -- greeted the authorities who inspected the Fakir Bund at Margao on Thursday following various complaints. (NT) o Knife used in priest's murder retrieved: Police also recorded statements from the murder accused, jointly and separately, but ruled out any new twist and said that they are repeating the same old story. (NT) o School children in sanguem walk for hours for a saucer of water and the government talks of information technology parks. G.T. travels to Sanguem, Quepem and Pernem to bring you stories that go beyond statistics and schemes. Well tell you how lack of water is leading to a critical decay. Of human beings. (Gomantak Times) o Socorro villagers oppose acquisition of cultivable land for IT park. (GT) o Mormugao chief accused of manipulating council proceedings.GT o Parrikar flays government on law and order. (GT) o Opposition corners Luizinho on wrong figures regarding repairs of school buildings. (GT) -- NEWS YOU CAN USE (Not an advert... collated in your interest) -- o ICICI Bank is offering its roaming current account, with facilities to operate your local current account from over 600 branches across India, 8 am to 8 pm banking hours, cheques treated as payable-at-par across 300 accounts, business debit card, and a daily e-mail statement. o Goa State Tuberculosis Control Society organises its World TB Day on March 24 at 4 pm at GCCI Hall. o Cyberlink to Shri Kamaxidevi Homeopathic Medical College and Hospital at Shiroda Goa 403103 www.homeopathycollegegoa.org or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
