[Goanet] IS NOAH'S ARK READY?
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- It will soon be the first anniversary of the infamous Mumbai floods. In the aftermath of the last July 26 deluge one wonders whether any lessons have been learnt or corrective steps been taken to avoid a repeat. With the monsoon fast approaching, Mumbai and its suburbs are in a vulnerable state. Be it Colaba, Dadar, Borivili or Kurla it's dug up all over with trenches galore. The city must see controlled development especially in potential flood zones while it equips itself with a proper disaster management system. Mumbai is a very potent city and is India's happening place despite the bar dancing girls having 'officially' left. It is unfortunate that Wardrobe malfunctions are exercising out minds more that our drain malfunctions. Aires Rodrigues Mumbai ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] State Bank of India strike hits clearing operations
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Comment: NRI Goans - are your cheques / drafts being cleared in Goa ?? Are teller services still available ?? MUMBAI, APRIL 3: Hitting the common man hard, about 2.5 lakh employees of State Bank of India went on an indefinite strike across 9,000 branches seeking revision in pension. The clearing operations of the bank were severely hit by the stir. Long queues were seen in front of the SBI branches and ATM counters across the country with many customers complaining about the machines running out of money. Salaries of many state governments and private companies will be hit in the coming days due to the strike as SBI the largest commercial bank is the clearing agent in many of the towns across the country. Read the rest of this story at: http://www.indianexpress.com/story/1714.html _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Foreigners living in Goa, without working, in permanent residences ?
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sidB6 -- You married Vivian? *wink wink* You see for someone with a bank balance and a few achievements under their arm, its fine to settle in a place of leasure but...not sure. Maybe. On 4/5/06, Vivian D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That description fits me perfectly. I am a foreigner - citizen of a Foreign country I am not working = Bekar and no I did not win a Lottery I have a permanent residence in Goa I played my cards right, and am now living it up. Viva Goa !Goans living abroad dont know what they are missing. Foreigners and non-Goan Indians have discovered Goa and are flocking here. Like me, they love Goa. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Saligao/Britto Boys mourn the death Alfred D'Souza (46 years)
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Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of
Mapusa of the 1950s
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Dears,
It is really sad to hear of Alfie's {Alfred D'Souza of Saligao Abreuvaddo]
death. Britto boys of my age will
remember the very gentlemanly Alfred from the first year of the new course
SSC of 1975. He follows his class mate, Charlton, and his own brother Eric's
footsteps...in dying young. He was a nice soul. He was earler a Radio
Officer on the ship and now working for ONGC offshore in Mumbai as a radio
operator.
Alfred expired of a massive heart attack last night in Margao, where he had
gone for a check up after complaining of tiredness and pain. Alfred Vincent
de Souza, son of Joan and Late Eddie De Souza, leaves behind his wife
Lynette, and three wonderful children, Shawna[11 years], Conroy[10] and the
little Annika[6].
In 1986, I met his brother for the first time as he was interested in
mushrooms. The end of the
year was also the end of Eric. He died of a road accident. Truly, Death
comes like a thiefand takes the most valuable persons from amongst us.
Alfie's wife, Lynette, is the sister of my classmate, Tommy D'Souza [SSC
class of 1976], the Franchisee of NIIT in Goa and Panch of the Assagao
Village Panchayat . She is also the sister of Ivonne[ wife of Rui Gama of
Verna]; Sr.Mariazita A.C. and Arsenia aka Fatima[ wife of Antonio of Aldona]
and Gerard.
So sad, so nice, the days that are no more.
Miguel
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[Goanet] Re: New Marine Lines.
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Also on New Marine - The Liberty Cinema, Bombay Hospital, St Xaviers Academy, Fatima's College - Nirmala Niketan, Annapoorna Restaurant ( it was women's co-op ), and The Blue Nile Nite Club ! Fatima: dinner there for two, or the Goa branch, soon as i find the street no. for Casal Gracias !eric. Herman D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can u give me more precise info which place u talking about. --- eric pinto wrote: Anyone out there remember the beautiful homes on the stretch from the Mirabelle Hotel to the US Inf. Svc. liabrary -- all replaced by office buildings in the 70's. Netter Gerson DaCunha lived in one of them !! eric. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Foreigners living in Goa, without working, in permanent residences ?
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- That description fits me perfectly. I am a foreigner - citizen of a Foreign country I am not working = Bekar and no I did not win a Lottery I have a permanent residence in Goa I played my cards right, and am now living it up. Viva Goa !Goans living abroad dont know what they are missing. Foreigners and non-Goan Indians have discovered Goa and are flocking here. Like me, they love Goa. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] BABUSH MONSERRATE TO TAKE OVER REINS OF GPCC
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- sunil monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Babush, You have got all you wanted , give it some time don't rock the boat Mario asks: Sunil, Unless Babush is a member of Goanet, I suggest you re-type this letter on your letterhead and post it to him. I'm sure he would appreciate your learned and heartfelt suggestions:-)) Mario. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense is not going to change
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: It is the mindset that has to change. That indeed life is precious, that indeed civic responsibility is a virtue, that indeed the other person deserves respect. These character traits are slowly but surely being eroded in our society, even in Goa. Mario observes: Elisabeth, I'm not sure you can erode something that never existed in the first place. I am second to none in my overall appreciation and understanding of my Motherland, but I am also not deaf, dumb or blind. On the one hand, India is a nuclear power, a computer and communications haven, and Indians underpin the most productive and competitive economy in the history of the world, the US economy, to a larger extent per capita than any other group. On the other hand, many Indians in India, with the exact same DNA, competitive drive-to-survive and intelligence as their expat counterparts, show little civic respect for their neighbors, think nothing of throwing their thrash onto someone else's property, launch spitballs in all directions like liquid mini-missiles, and can urinate and defecate in public as if all of nature belongs to them. You are absolutely right that the mindset about civic behavior needs a major change - I would say needs a virtual revolution - before India can assume it's long-delayed position on the world stage as the superpower it deserves to be. I see no signs as yet that this revolution is about to start. Whenever I am in India, I simply marvel at the dichotomy with bewildered bemusement, and wonder what might have been. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Eviction of a tenant
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Could someone throw somelight on how does one get a tenant evicted either by force or by law from a rightfully owned house landlord? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Atheism
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear Cornel, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this subject. I am a closet agnostic. I am too afraid to out myself in certain circles and in other more open-minded circles, I am quite vocal about my views. I have always found that people who are more accepting of the different shades of humanity are a more kinder, gentler people,than those that condemn one to eternal hell fire for one's beliefs. Like you, I despise evangelism. Be it in the form of mullahs who insist on beheading Muslims who have converted to Christianity (as in Afghanistan), or preachers from the Bible belt in the US who claim that only those who believe in Jesus are to be saved while the rest of us, have a free pass for the place slightly lower down. I even despise the subtle conversions that occur in places like India and Africa. That is in exchange for food and shelter. Another thing that bothers me is this new brand of Christianity, which engages in healings, tongues and other esoteric gifts. Not only is it misleading to offer the physically sick hope, but unfounded hope is even more dangerous. There is no difference between a religious healing of this sort and a witchdoctor in tribal Africa. Both are intent on just one thing. Procuring power!! At the best of times, for me, religion is a medium to one's spirituality. It should lead one to independence and not into a state of being in - dependence. elisabeth --- My short answer however is that I could never justify aggression and evangelism based on ideology of any kind. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Pre and Post 1961 Goa
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear Tony Correia- Afonso, You rightly said It's up to us to set the matters right who is that us? where should it start from ,for ex. i admired the portuguese rule and till date i admire it, on the contrary like and i have no problem with it Satyameva Jayate i think the starting point of putting matters right should come from patriotic people like you as charity begins from home. In my mails i have never said that ex-colonial masters to come and help us. Give me one example how much have you contributed to Goa Post 1961 and how much to India at large? I have contributed my sweat, Paying skyrocketing taxes, after independence i thought we would be free and independent can we say we are free and independent? Satyameva Jayate very respectful and dignified words but does it happen in the courts of law in India? Before we make statements that its upto us to set matters right , first ask yourself how many matters as a true indian citizen and a Goanet subscriber have i set right? Bonefacio Lopes _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Priest Murdered
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Let's get our minds together and track down on the investigations being carried out by the police, confessions being made by the accused and the status of the case , whether justice is going to prevail, if yes thank God if not then we all have to be blamed for it. Offtrack issue are being discussed about this murder which i think personally is not a good sign of discussion on the net. Let's stick to the gist of the subject matter and disregard the rest as it has no end. United we stand divided we fall Araujo Jose _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Mario, Personal experience makes one wise, if you wanna experience try this receipe. Carry two passports one indian and other European or /East African or any other african country check Produce all of them in a jumbled order the immigration authorities at any airport, he's gonna pick Indian Last. Second objective question, At the Mumbai International airport , carry an indian PP and other European , check it out for yourself. Thirdly there are many Indians accross the globe who are dubious in their moves and behaviour (its sad though) but one has to live with it, if the financial climate suits them in USA then they are USA Indians, and so forth, gone are those days of patriotism. Today its survival of the fittest . In short acquiring a Portuguese Passport for every Goan is must, the argument is why are we moving out of GOA and paving way for outsiders to move in, its a cycle as we move out others move in GOA and we do the same in the rest of the world. Love Goa, Love Goans, Love your motherland Love your country but if Goenkars do get a chance to travel with a Portuguese Passport anywhere in the world, do go but please turn back to help other Goenkars who want to climb the ladder of prosperity with the rest of Goans, turn back by contributing to your motherland Goa. Araujo Jose _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] A windy day...
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in recent years, I've come round to the position that the moon does influence our weather patterns (and human moods too, not just of the few we label insane... but that is another issue). Fred, What you are really telling us here is that you are not a fisherman. Else, you would know exactly which days of the month you would be looking forward to. Dominic or someone of his calibre will be able to write volumes on the best days to go fishing. In a previous life, I would take days off during the full moon if the high tide was around noon. That's when lobsters walk, one behind each other, in a circle. When one is lucky enough to have a spear gun handy, those circling lobsters can easily become ex-circling lobsters and then be used to butter up the prettiest woman around :-) Now, that's how one uses the influence of the planets. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] What will I tell them Now? (Tony Fernandes)
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- WHAT WILL I TELL THEM NOW? Tony Fernandes (July 2003) On my journey the world over I meet and speak to people about my Goa, At the slightest chance I sing praises about our traditions and culture; About our mando and durpod, zothi and grandmas stories, Endlessly I chatter; What will I tell them now? On my travels I show pictures of her to people I meet Of our sun-drenched beaches, white-washed churches, And way-side crosses, mosques, temples and green fields, About how Shigmo and Carnival floats provide an exciting treat; Incessantly I rant about our bazaars and feasts; But what will I tell them now? On my voyages to various distant shores, In our ancestral proverbs I relate about the wit; I harp about dedicated warmth in our pleasant welcome; Proudly I insist that peace is our emblem; That in harmony we dwell with no problem; But what will I tell them now? Often some are held spellbound and awestruck, Sounds like a fascinating place they often say, Declares another: I must go there on a holiday, I am sure you will love it, you will surely enjoy your stay I firmly say, I was there some years ago asserts another, But what will I tell them now? Performing like an ambassador at the slightest option, My friends to rapt attention I hold with a history lesson; Boasting about our land I depict a picture of the lone farmer Iin the fields with his plough, Of fishermen braving rough seas, hoping for an ample catch And along the unspoiled seashore pulling in the nets at dusk; But what will I tell them now? Latest events have inflicted on her a huge blow, Left a scar on her brow, White sands are now stained red, My land once perfect and pure, Unblemished and untouched; Has now been tainted and corrupted, My heart is torn, my pride is worn, What will I tell my friends now? March 2006 http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=427 http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=310 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Priest Murdered
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Afra, 1. Who are you to judge what the Priest 'should have been doing or shouldn't have been doing? I never realized helping someone in need meant playing with fire. Even if he was a public figure, why tarnish his name?Was he a known homosexual? Have there been reported incidents of abuse by him in particular in the past? Was he making a move on those men? 2.A more candid approach would be to analyze the facts(of which much hasn't been released),and I think this is the job of the cops and not you or anyone else in Goa. 3. It is pathetic to read what conclusions people draw from this incident. Tomorrow if a Nun was raped and killed, some folks here, just might as well say that she was 'provocatively dressed'? 4. Is this how people think on this forum? -Katie ... Response: Every member of the Public believes that he or she is a member of the jury. Some persons on Goanet even appoint themselves as judges who do not need to consider any evidence at all. What they think, they believe to be the ultimate truth ;-( Even the cops have no time to collect the evidence and analyse the facts of the case. It is easier to issue a press note, still easier to hold a press conference and a cake walk to selectively leak information to the gullible crime reporters or their bigger brothers in the press. What you think people may say, has already been said before..and believed in some cases in UP and Madhya Pradesh. People do not think on Goanet...they 'post'. Who said one must think before they write on the Net. Libel? What is that? People do not even consider that the priest is not a member of this forum or this world. He is dead. He cannot defend himself. He may have been wrong...but we do not have any proof/evidence on which to base such a conclusion. Afra, Joe, Godfrey do not need evidence. They KNOW. That's it for them. If tomorrow someone alleges things about them...or their spouse,sister, brother, mother... I hope they can withstand the debate on Goanet. Viva Goa. Miguel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Saligao mourns the death of a kind soul: Alfie...
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- On April 5, 2006 news trickled in of the sad and untimely death of a smiling face and a kind soul, who was part of our village for two score years and more. Alfred Vincent de Souza (or, just Alfie to most) played with us, worked for the village, was active in following Saligaonet and often giving his quiet feedback on issues raised on it. He dreamt of a better village that held out a pleasant childhood for all our kids. Below are some of the tributes paid to this helpful young man, snatched away in the prime of his life, who never ran short of a smile on his lips and a good word for whomever he came across. The favourites of the gods, they say, die young! ... http://saligao.goa-india.org/alfred Alfred was an RO (radio officer) at the ONGC offshore, and a former Britto boy. Please see some of the tributes paid to another victim of a heart-attack. FN -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- Pics from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/popular-views/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Property in Goa!!
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Hi Guys, Any Goan wanting to buy property in our paradise, my advice is to buy NOW. ...don't waste any time, just buy. Well, attached is from Times of India written by Jug Suraiya. Rex Goa, Goa, gone - I Last week when I was there, Goa whizzed past me. Goa? Whizzing? How could Goa languorous land of laidback socegado, ageless as the ebb and flow of the Mandovi and Zuari rivers, as the subtle alchemy of the rich, red earth which transmutes itself into the green gold of paddy fields and coconut groves ever be made to whizz? I looked hard at Goa. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Atheism
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Mario I will try hard to avoid being personal even when you invariably tend to be. Firstly, it would have been wiser if you had asked me first if I was an atheist before assuming so and stating this unambigously in your post to Goanet. Incidentally, one totally unexpected consequence of your assertion about me was that, I received unwittingly, a number of pleasant private posts from a potential 'fraternity' of Goan atheists and agnostics! I would never have known there were a number --so thank you! Secondly, any attachment to a creed, belief system, or religion is a personal matter. I would never ask you publicly or pointedly what your religion was and the same 'rule' ought to apply to you too. Thirdly, if you want to equate humanism to atheism that is up to you. I have no desire to address the subtle differenc on this matter apart from drawing your attention to two definitions from my readily available Collins English Dictionary: Humanism= a school of philosophy that believes in human effort and ingenuity rather [note carefully, not instead of] than religion. 2. a cultural movement of the Renaissance based on classical studies. 3 Interest in the welfare of people. Atheism= 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God or that the assertion of his existence is meaningless. 2 rejection of belief in God or gods. I believe this response should suffice for now. Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: Fw: [Goanet] Re: Atheism Cornel DaCosta writes: Firstly, I regret I need to include below, the full text of my original post re Atheism. This is because on the basis of this post, Mario concluded and stated on Goanet that I am an atheist. Secondly, a little while ago, on Goanet, I had a fulsome and civilized discussion with the Catholic scholar, Fr Ivo, why as a humanist, I disagreed with some aspects of his religious beliefs. Mario asks: Cornel, Are you an atheist, or not? Your answer will clarify whether my conclusion was correct or not. While you consider your answer please remember any assertions you may have made in other forums. Thanks. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Atheism
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Hi Santosh You do ask a demanding and interesting question but I cannot go into it in any detail for now. My short answer however is that I could never justify aggression and evangelism based on ideology of any kind. I have also been totally opposed to the practice in any religion where one group seeks to convert another. I am not sure I know what you mean by passive evangelism. Do you mean when one seeks conversion entirely voluntarily? On the whole, I would like to see the end of all evangelism in the modern world particularly, the money raking variety in the US. Regards Cornel PS I came across a certain calmness and serenity among ordinary Buddhist folk in Taiwan exactly a year ago. At face value, I was rather impressed. I also do not think they evangelise. I'd like to read up about this faith. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] BABUSH MONSERRATE TO TAKE OVER REINS OF GPCC
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear Babush, You have got all you wanted , give it some time don't rock the boat otherwise we are going to witness the same episode what Bab Churchill did to Rane, the history started from there and till date the voters are suffering, let Rane complete his full term , we have seen what Bab churchill did, what Proto Barbosa, Ravi Naik, etc and its only Rane who can lead us for this term , any move to destabilise him and the Govt, (this time MAROG PODDTELEAM) Rather than trying to grab every thing concentrate on developing what you have, you have managed to win the recent elections, you have got your desired portfolio , you have your businessnes running successfully what more do you want. Be happy with what God has given you otherwise that too will be taken from you due to your greed which kills. Please dont' listen toyour chamchas they are sailing with you today because your boat is intact a small hole in your boat you may have to sail alone , be wise not smart, be polite and not rude , be Godfearing not GOD. Create respect and admiration from Goenkars and even in Delhi not by fear or flaunting your wealth or loose talk or big talk but by working more , helping more not only from your constituency but Goa at large and talking less. Dev borem korum Sunil Monteiro _ How good are you in a Formula One car? Play now http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/tataracing/onlinegame.asp _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] MURDER OF PRIEST
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Father's death Under very tragic and suspicious circumstances. None of us can do anything but only tarnishing his image ,and that too after his death rather than working together in a True Goan spirit and ensuring he get's justice. What a shame (Samki Loz) As the Lord Reveals No one should criticise a priest/s, if he is wrong and even if it were true, we have to pray for him and help him out, and its only the Lord Almighty who will judge him, whoever has voiced his attacks and judgement over a priest has voiced it over the lord as I the Lord stands besider him not only on the altar but wherever he goesEvery priest is a Vicar and My heart will be sickened and insulted because of it! If you hear the judgement against a priest pray a Hail Mary Dev Borem Korum Sunil _ Tried the new MSN Messenger? Its cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Name-calling on Goanet...
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- I'm new at Goanet and so far my experience has been an enjoyable one. There are posts of really good quality and the level of debate is par excellence. A bit of masala here and there makes for a good read, even the occasional name-calling makes for a good read, as long as it doesn't become personal. In my opinion, cyber space is not different from any other space, occupied by people. There will always be those that use hyphenated words to make their point when a four letter one would have done just as well (no puns intended), there are those who become obsessed with being prolific, there are those that need to have their egos stoked and there are those that simply wake up angry at the world. What I do miss occasionally is the humour. Somehow Goannet brings to mind, terse old men sipping bitter coffe while they pontificate about the world. Lighten up!! Profundity is best served with a side dish of humour. I don't think things will change substantially despite pleas. As long as the moderators, moderate in moderation, I think Goannet will outlive its subscribers. And that is a very good thing! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goan 'Konknno'...
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- There was a time when Hindus in Goa were (except for a tiny, rich business-landlord elite) largely socio-economically poor. There are probably reasons for this. Robert S Newman, the Marblehead-based anthropologist, says Hindus were disallowed from even holding a simple schoolteacher's job in the government till the Portuguese (more egalitarian) Republican Revolution of 1910. Hindu out-migration (abroad) didn't happen in large numbers as among the Catholics too. This is what Ricoh(FN) wrote. I beg to differ on at least a couple of points. It was not only Hindus who were socio-economically poor but by and large all Goans. The times were such. The schoolteacher's job was not a simple one. It was a prestigious job then.Hindu out-migration did happen in large numbers if one checks the number of devotees of many of the deities(kul-dev) from the temples of Mardol, Mangueshi and others in the Marcel area. And one last thing. I think (many times he has referred to him) Robert S. Newman has been overrated by FN. Otherwise I do have a high regard for Ricoh for his independent unbiased and objective views. R. Cabral _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] NRI meeting in Goa ......March 30 or 31 ?
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Yes, if there was a meeting of Goan NRIs in Goa on March 30 or March 31, it would be nice to get a report..How many NRIs attended ? What were the outcomes ? What promises were made if any ? Vivian A. D'Souza (no longer an NRI since I now reside in Goa). _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Episode 6, Contacto Goa (Changed timings yet again!)
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear all: Please bear with this correction to the previous email... It looks like football games in Portugal have caused some more changes in timings for the Episode 6 :-( According to the current RTP website, the new timings for Contacto Goa Episode 6, to be broadcast on Sunday, Apr 9th and Monday, Apr 10th are: RTP International (for viewers in India outside Portugal): INDIA time Sun Apr 9: at 6:45PM (half an hour earlier) Mon Apr 10: at 9:00AM (same as before) RTP Africa (for viewers in Portugal): LISBON time Sun Apr 9: at 6:00PM (half an hour earlier) We don't know if these timings will continue through the rest of the series and will inform you of these changes whenever we can. Bear with us (and RTP!) Desmond (for the CG team) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense is not going to change
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- I found Eddie's and Mario's comments hilarious in this context. Perhaps all politicians in Goa should have it on their number plates, BLOWING MY OWN HORN. On another note, despite having a driving license from the Middle East (a feat equivalent to acquiring an MBA), an International driving license and a US driving license, I would never be able to drive in India. It is this very aspect that nakedly points to the fact that India is indeed not a democracy but a functioning anarchy. It is the mindset that has to change. That indeed life is precious, that indeed civic responsibility is a virtue, that indeed the other person deserves respect. These character traits are slowly but surely being eroded in our society, even in Goa. --- BLOW HORN - PLEASE? Get it? PLEASE!!! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Poll or Survey: Your opinion Counts
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Poll or Survey: Your opinion Counts After so many updates etc, I feel, its time now to seek your opinion. This poll is open to all. This is ideal for our silent members too. In a recently conducted survery/poll, there were about 259 votes which were voted as follows: This was as on Feb.15, 2006. 38 people say they like post which would remind them of Past/Goa or Childhood. 36 people they would prefer mix use of English and Konkani in the posts 20 people like to have more of Konkani Songs. 17 people say post are some times informative and sometiems boring. 6 people say they prefer in english only 4 people say the language used here is sometimes bit rude. There is plenty other thing people said visit the polling station and find out yourself. You know the results instantly. Each one of you is entile to your opinion. So, you can cast your vote too. Remember, it is secret, neither I nor any body else knows who vote what. If you have already voted, you can even change your vote here. e.g. if you did not find my posting bit of rude before but now you find rude then you can change it too. You can vote as many times but the last one will be treated valid and all the previous one ignored or not counted in the total votes. Remember, by doing this, you are helping me too. 'Every little helps' Please visit here and cast your vote now.. http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/polls this may take you there directly http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/surveys?id=12235636 Any problem in voting, pl let me know. Thank for your help. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] NRI Association in Goa
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Query - Is there a functioning NRI Association in Goa ? And I dont mean the NRI Fecilitation center or any other group associated with the Goa government. Rather, I am looking for a group that is totally independent, not dependent on the Government for funds, even if the association is not formally registered with the government. Anbody out there has the answer ? Vivian A. D'Souza _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] How to prevent the controversial 'Airport' talk
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- How to prevent the controversial 'Airport' talk No, I am not at all talking about Mopa or Dabolim or any other airports where aeroplane lands but .. Well, if an open place without any trees etc is probably an airport then.. On a man's head, open place without any hair is also an airport. You are only 27, how come you lost almost all your hair ? 'It comes from family, I suppose. My grand father had it, my father have it, so I have it too (airport, I mean)' If you believe in this theory (as I do), and think you will soon get one (Airport), try this (it worked for me) and it may work for you too. Go to any pharmacy and ask for 'Anoop' a Godrej Product (was Rs.100 per 100ml bottle) to arrest hair fall. I used to apply during night time and I did so by using up about 3/4 bottles in all. And here I am with thick growth of hair and there is still no sign of baldness yet. My other brothers shown sign of baldness when they were around 25 (because our father/grand father had one). I am ever so lucky, thanks to 'Anoop'. Please try and let me also know the outcome. And good luck to you. Already have airport ? Don't worry, its too late now. It has become a fashion now a day. More and more girls are going in for skin heads. Think about the savings you make on Haircuts, Shampoo, Hair dye, Combing, dandruff, lice etc Plus you can always wear wigs or base ball caps. Besides Alfred Rose, Anthony San, Shetye, can you name some actors/leaders who wear/worn wigs ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Final: Is the term defrocked derogatory?
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your responses, which were rather defensive--and for good reason, I've learnt--caught me by surprise, because I actually believe that the term defrocked does not have to be derogatory. Peter, I am sure that you are aware that people can use any name in a derogatory way. In fact, someone made a post here on Goanet using the name of Jesus Christ in a derogatory way. Every time that happens, I will take the person to task. Mervyn3.0 The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names. - Chinese proverb __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: POLICE MATTERS.
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | In response to Gabriel's mail, think its true.. unfortunately that the Goverment is sleeping on the issue.. As with most cases before, these incidents get relegated to merely figures in statistics.. Its incredibly sad that ,though, this is a blatant cry for help, instead of investigating the causative factors of incidents such as these, the Goverment is more intent on turning a Nelson's eye to it, in the hope that ,with the passage of a sufficient amount of time, this case will be forgotten... And forgotten it will be.. until it happens again ! Although it has been suggested that stress management classes be set up , they've been negated due to the supposed lack of finances by the Govt... I dont know about there being any Police Union.. but if there isnt , there should be one !! Its about time the Goverment is taken to task for it apathy ... Or are they waiting for the next case in order to realize that the matter does warrant some drastic measures to be taken ??? Dr Beverley de Sequeira. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] To Mr. Rahul Goswami
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | My name is Cláudia Pereira, an anthropologist from Portugal who's doing research among Hindu and Chrisitan Gauddis in a village situated in Quepem. I would to say that I truly enjoyed your article, specially the way you deeply cover the different aspects of the social reality of Goa. I was just thinking what is the right word to describe the relation between Hindus and Christians in Goan Villages. One of them is tolerance, but at the same time they hardly mix, which is a conditionated tolerance. Nice to read from you, Cláudia Pereira Read all Goanet messages at : http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fwd: Potta Retreat: DIVINE MERCY HEALING SERVICES
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | Hi Hilda: As promised, I've attached the flier for the Potta Retreat (Divine Mercy Healing Services) which you very kindly agreed to distribute to the New England Goans. We would like to get the message of healing and evangelizing out to offer hope during these difficult times. These Potta priests have a powerful and efficacious ministry. At the last year's retreat, there were testimonies of various healings - physical as well as inner healings. Everyone was touched by the experience. You also mentioned that you'll be speaking to the Tamil priests at your local parish in Revere. Please show them the flier and invite them to the retreat. Two of them came last year and we'd love to have them back, including Fr. Nicholas if he can make it. Also, do ask them if we can drop off fliers before the masses this weekend or the next. Thank you for your help and my best to you and your family. Have a great weekend, Fiona DIVINE MERCY HEALING SERVICES If you need Love, Peace and Healing, Direction for your life Wisdom to help raise your children Your life, health family restored Come to the Divine Mercy Healing Services led by the powerful ministry of Fr. Mathew Naickomparambil, of the Vincentian Congregation. About 10,000 to 30,000 people from all over the world flock to Fr. Mathew's weekly retreats in India. Many have experienced inner transformations and healings. Come and pray for miracles from our Savior, our Redeemer and Healer Lord Jesus Christ Free Admission. All are welcome!!! DIRECTIONS: MAY 6 7, 2006 From 10.00 A.M. to 5.00 P.M. At Marlborough Middle School 25 Union Street, Marlborough, MA 01752 Directions From Route 495 - Take exit 25-A towards Route 85 / Marlborough. - Make a right onto 85 South / Washington St. Make a left onto Union St. From Western Mass, Connecticut or NY - Take the Mass Pike East - Rt. 90 East. - Take exit 11 for Route 495 North. Follow directions mentioned for Route 495. From Boston, Waltham, Framingham - Take the Mass Pike West - Rt. 90 West. - Take exit 11 for Route 495 North. Follow directions mentioned for Route 495. From the North - Take Route 495 South, then follow directions mentioned for Route 495. From the South - Take 93N or 95N from Braintree to Mass Pike East, then take exit 11A for Route 495 North. Follow directions mentioned for Route 495. From Route 20 - Coming from the West (Worcester, Northborough) along 20 East, take left onto 85 North; Coming from the East (Waltham, Sudbury) along 20 West, take right onto 85 North. We are grateful to our sponsors for their support: 1. Fr. Edward J. McDonough, C.S.s.r., Healing Restoration Ministry 2. Dr. Tony Waddimba, Uganda Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services 3. Mr. Vincent Cerasuolo, Charismatic Renewal Services 4. Mr. Jacob Kallupurakal, Indian Catholic Association For more information, please contact: Babu Xavier at 781-779-1777 Britto Derose at 617-283-2178 Fiona Figueiredo at 978-251-1942 Paul Teelar at 617-628-4558 visit www.pottaboston.com Please pray for the success of this retreat and help us spread the word to all you know to come to this event _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Ex-colonial citizens have right to full expression in democratic Portugal
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | But prefers to sow intrigues and to insult through private mails [citing Goanet postings!] Just confirms what I said about some Portuguese who are still living in pre-democratic Portugal and are unable to discuss rationally in a public forum. Salazar's regime had declared too many bonafide citizens as traitors! Teotonio R. de Souza From: Henrique Salles da Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Re: Ex-colonial citizens have right to full expression To: goanet@goanet.org I'm not available to deal with traitors. Henrique Salles da Fonseca - Lisboa http://campussocial.ulusofona.pt/index_ingles.htm _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: - Rotary club of Vasco -Lewis are Levi traced back to Adam Eve
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | Hi Jen Lewis, Lewis Family History Traced back to Adam Eve are the Levi http://askelm.com/tithing/thi003.htm The lost 10 tribes of Isreal. FAMILY TREE OF LEVI. http://www.cohen-levi.org/levites_today.htm http://www.adamictimeline.com/timeg2.pdf#search='family%20tree%20of%20Levi' It is very possible that the Lewis line of ancestors can be traced back farther than any other name in America. Many names are old, but the Lewis line of descent is ancient. It dates back to Roman times and perhaps through the royal house of the Welsh to hundreds of years before Christ. http://www.bluemoon.net/~tammy/genealogy/lewis.html Christianity in America http://www.sullivan-county.com/christian.htm CELTIC ,Aryan ,Scottish Clan, Lewis http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr5c.htm The Scriptures of Mankind http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp? title=704C=946 http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/morgan-lewis/ancient- society/ch18.htm The Races http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/alien_races.htm Faustin http://www.hella.ru/code/names.htm Lewises http://www.factmonster.com/search?fr=fmtnquery=Lewisx=16y=13 God Guide you Patrick lewis Tokyo +81 355206914. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7th CAREER INFORMATION FAIR Lets Shape the future of Goa... PANAJI, GOA - 10th 11th June 2006 http://www.vascowheel.com/career_fair.htm _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Re: How much emigration of the well to do took placefromGoa?
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | Hi Fred I am glad you pursued, albeit in a small way, the reasons for emigration from Goa. There really is a PhD project for someone who may wish to follow a significant original line of inquiry into this issue and take us beyond the valuable chapters in books that I know, like those edited by Teotonio. Whilst taking on board the many reasons for emigration that you provided, for some time I have been keen to know the specific reasons for the periodic rates of emigration, the patterns, and from where most emigration took place. One thought I have had relates to the geography of Goa. Salcete was more fertile than hillier Bardez. This may have generated a stronger exodus in Bardez as fewer people, in toto, could perhaps subsit on Bardez land. As to English schools in Bardez providing mobility, of course, I am inclined to agree with you. However, I'd like to know if the quest for emigration provided the impetus for English medium schools in Bardez or whether it was the English medium schools which fostered emigration. I wonder which came first? In a nutshell, I have a hunch (but accept that I could be completely wrong) that, larger Salcete with a relatively small population, had plentiful well-watered fertile land and a long productive fishing coastline, crucially not to 'force' people out as a matter of some urgency. In contrast, smaller Bardez was less fertile for agricultural subsistence and perhaps for this reason, the people there had to be more outward looking/seeking than people in Salcete. Secondly, that the institutions like English medium schools in Bardez were the acute outcome of the above realisation among its people. In both cases however, lack of occupational opportunity was a common factor resulting in emigration but with some significant variations inclusive of land ownership and control. One other factor was perhaps the proximity of Marmagoa harbour to Bardez which made it easier for men to find work on ships, travel abroad and even jump ship in foreign lands. I find this issue quite fascinating and hope others will join in this discussion. There is so much re this theme that we know rather little about. Cornel - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Re: How much emigration of the well to do took placefromGoa? Hi Cornel, As usual, you raise interesting and important issues. It's crucial for the Goan community to understand its past and its peculiarities, if it wishes to go ahead in the 21st century, rather than always live looking over its shoulder .. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] HAPPY EASTER!
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | Hi, All! HAPPY EASTER WHEREVER YOU ARE IN THIS WORLD RENEWED BY THE SPIRIT! DOMINUS VOBISCUM! -- PEACE + JOY TO ALL!~ MARTINHO NOLETTE _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Priest Murdered
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | --- Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this how people think on this forum? Mario responds: Katie, The short answer to your question is, No. Out of thousands of members, only three made snide and vile insinuations about Fr. Eusebio's sexuality. As far as I know, none of them knew him personally or even know anyone else who knew him. Two of the three continue to make insinuations. I will not name them again, as I have done so already and strongly opposed and exposed them for trying to ruin the character and reputation of what appears to be a good man who is unable to defend himself. On the other hand, one Goanetter of impeccable character and reputation testified that he had known Fr. Eusebio for years, had worked closely with him, and that there was no way that the insinuations were true. Another cited the opinions of her in-laws who live in Goa, knew Fr. Eusebio well, and vouched for his charity and generosity as well as his character. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I will continue to oppose and expose those who make baseless allegations about the character of a man unable to defend himself. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Fernandes'.Noronha Family tree Goa
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | Hi Frederick Noronha, Cheak this out and let me know. http://www.sumgenius.com.au/fernandez_family_tree.htm. http://www.sumgenius.com.au/noronha_family_tree.htm. Rgds Patrick Lewis Tokyo +81 355206914 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cecil wrote: While not totally disagreeing with your viewpoint I don't share your evangelical attitude towards sharing. Sharing as defined by you seems to have no altruistic motive but is just a tool to wider coverage and, hopefully, returns. Cecil, you seem to have shifted ground from what you were saying earlier. Which was: _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Name Calling
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | Thank you Pandu! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] I want to become Prime Minister, says Advani
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | I want to become Prime Minister, says Advani Wednesday, 05 April , 2006, 17:17 New Delhi: Senior BJP leader L K Advani, who recently expressed keenness on a change in his party's image, said factors like infighting and corruption do hurt the party. The Leader of the Opposition also said he would like to be Prime Minister. When asked if he was worried about BJP, Advani, who quit as party president in the wake of the row he had triggered with the RSS over his comments on Pakistan founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah in 2005, said, The general phrase used is 'Congressisation' of the BJP. Infighting, factionalism, corruption... All these things... They do hurt. To a question whether he wanted to be the Prime Minister, the former deputy Prime Minister said, I don't see anything wrong in wanting to be... liking to be (Prime Minister). That's for the party and everyone to decide... Very often even the parties do not decide these matters... These happen themselves, he remarked adding the choice for the top job depended on varying factors. During the interview, the former deputy Prime Minister also regretted what he called gradual political degeneration in the country after 1947. Let me say that prior to 1947, when we got freedom, gradually things started degenerating and gradually it came to a point that politics did not remain what it is in other democracies, Advani said. He, however, said he did not feel out of place in what he perceives as a changed political environment. It's not difficult... I have seen so many people who have contributed so much without getting anything in return, Advani said, when asked whether he found uncomfortable in the present political environment. -- Real integrity is doing the right thing, knowing that nobody's going to know whether you did it or not ~www.goa-world.com~ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Atheism
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I have no problem with atheism or humanism, only with aggressive evangelical atheists and humanists. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cornel, Do you think one can justify ideological aggression directed selectively against atheistic and humanistic evangelism, and not against religious evangelism, as practised by religious and political leaders? In fact, do you think one can justify aggression and evangelism based on ideology of any kind? Also, don't you think pacifist evangelism is much better than aggressive evangelism? Cornel, I would really appreciate your thoughts on these issues. Mario asks: Since these questions are directed at Cornel, I will not answer them. However, since something I said in a post has been used as the basis for the questions I need to clarify that I am also against aggressive religious evangelists. I did not mention this in my referenced comments because we were talking specifically about atheists and humanists. Believers should set an example, in my opinion, a la Mother Theresa, who never asked anyone to change their beliefs, simply practiced her own. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa, Goa, gone - I ......By Jug Suraiya
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | Goa, Goa, gone - I Jug Suraiya [Saturday, April 01, 2006 09:31:30 pmTIMES NEWS NETWORK ] Last week when I was there, Goa whizzed past me. Goa? Whizzing? How could Goa - languorous land of laidback socegado, ageless as the ebb and flow of the Mandovi and Zuari rivers, as the subtle alchemy of the rich, red earth which transmutes itself into the green gold of paddy fields and coconut groves - ever be made to whizz? I looked hard at Goa. The landscape - of crescent moon beaches and peppermint churches and tiny villages punctuated with the curled-up commas of sleeping dogs - was as serene and still as always. What was whizzing about were people. Not the local people, the Goans, who looked on this untoward activity with bemusement, but people from outside who were in a great rush - the great Goa land rush. The property market, booming all over India, has gone ballistic in Goa. Everyone seems to want a piece of the place. Buyers from Delhi and Mumbai and Mohali and Ahmedabad are pouring in on a frantic buying spree, an invading army bent on a second 'liberation' of Goa from the Goans. The motto seems to be: If it doesn't move, grab it quick - before someone else does. A holiday villa - or even a two-bedroom apartment - in Goa is the next thing you buy after you've bought your iPod. It's a question of peer pressure. Everyone's got one, so how can you be the only exception? Forget politics or globalisation or climate change. The major - indeed the only - topic of discussion in Goa is property prices. Dona Paula's going for between Rs 8,000 and Rs 18,000 a square metre, depending on the view. Or rather, Dona Paula's already gone for that price, and is totally sold out. So how about Porvorim, where you can still get something for roundabout 3,500 a metre? Everyone hares off to Porvorim, causing traffic jams and the prices to jump even higher. Someone mentions a rumour of a German selling a bungalow in Asagaon and there's a general stampede for Asagaon. But the German's bungalow has already been snaffled by one Mr Ashok from Dilli, so everyone heads hopefully for Ribander where a new highway's been built. There're no regular water connections in Ribander yet. But what the heck. It's got a view. And you can get a piece of it for 2,000 bucks a metre. How can you go wrong? What's fuelling the upward drive of property prices is that apart from Indians, foreigners are also buying into Goa, drawn by its redolence of residual Europe. Almost everyone speaks English, they have recognisable names like Fernando and Isabelle, there are hardly any beggars, the booze is cheap and plentiful. It's India without the Indianness. Heaven should have it so good. Property consultant Alan Viegas tells me that foreign nationals are entitled to buy property either by staying for more than six months and claiming resident status or by forming a facade company which enables them to acquire immovable assets as a corporate entity. Goa is selling like hot vindaloo. And pretty soon there'll be no more of it left to sell, or to buy. And when that happens, Goa will stop being Goa and become something else. Like Ghatkopar, or Brixton, or Greater Kailash III, as a Dilliwalla remarks. Already Baga and Calangute look like Lajpat Nagar market. Or Chowpatty on a public holiday. Goa? Gone, or almost. The thought saddens me for a moment. For when Goa stops being Goa, what will the Goans do? Rent the place back from the new owners? My regret is fleeting. For it is soon overtaken by a further reflection. That, for all the pomp and circumstance of title deeds and legal documents and claims of proprietorship, we're all of us just short-term tenants,whose tenure is at the sufferance of an infinitely munificent, infinitely indulgent Landlord who created it all to begin with. Not just Goa but everything else as well, sea-facing view and all. === _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno'
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did provide the official / cultural names for Goan Hindus and Catholics. So we are NOT Loosely speaking we are all Koknos. We are all accurately speaking Konkans. I hope someone can clarify this. Mario observes: Gilbert, After making a couple of definitive, closed-end, Ayatollah-like pronouncements, complete with upper-case letters, are you REALLY interested in a clarification? Gilbert writes: Should I be apologizing to the existing College of ayatollahs? Do I detect a little discomfort from the grand ayatollah?:=)) Mario observes: No, you should be apologizing for calling Elisabeth a budding Ayatollah instead of rebutting her opinion with some facts and opinions of your own. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: SEMINAR/MEETING WITH NRI - GOANS DELEGATION IN KUWAIT
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | The NRI FC WEBSITE IS RELATING TO MATTERS OF 2005 for SOUTH GOA PUBLIC INTEREST ACTION GROUP TERENCE MAZARELO PRESIDENT [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reference below is to : A 3-member delegation comprising of Adv. Herculano Dourado (Ex-M.L.A)Vice Chairman of the NRI Goa Facilitation Center Government of Goa, Brg. (Retd.) Ian da Costa VSM and Mr.Mohandas S. Surlakar All three are members of the Executive Committee of the NRI-GOA FC as per their website - http://www.nrigoa.com/members.html Can anybody pls provide email addresses of the three? Thank you - Bosco -- Forwarded message -- From: P F Date: Apr 5, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: NRI affairs To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mr.Bosco: Could I have the contact numbers/addresses of the three gentlemen named by wilson coelho so that I can personally contact the and address my case. Many thanks. Regards, P F _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s __ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] HIV UN
-- |Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa | | of the 50s / 60s | || |http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | -- --- afra dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all these foreigners in Goa, with permanent residences and not working for their living, who is giving them money to live in Goa? Mario asks: There are foreigners in Goa who live in permanent residences and are not working for a living? Wow!! Afra, please find out who is giving them money, so that the rest of us foreigners can apply. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] DABOLIM (part 1)
-- |Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa | | of the 50s / 60s | || |http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 | -- Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED], On this topic, you are wrong on all counts; you are being deliberately deceitful, in your nonsensical arguments, and also quite ignorant of the real reasons for the opposition to MOPA. Please realise that you are in fact contradicting yourself, in this piece of nonsense that you are trying to force down some 'gullible people'. The readers are an intelligent lot and cannot be taken lightly. I advise that you should first learn how to get your 'real name' into the 'from' field, in your postings to goanet; and then also post your geographical address as required by 'goanet rules'. OK? Nascimento Caldeira Melbourne Down Under [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [Goanet] DABOLIM (part 1) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:34:29 -0700 I would think the cyber-Goans would follow the MOPA story with more factual information than emotion or vested interest. I agree that Goa needs a lot of local projects. Local projects are paid for by local revenues (taxes). Because of different funding sources, local projects (roads, electricity, hospitals and schools built by local taxes) should not / will not be denied or delayed because of MOPA. The MOPA Airport is being PAID FOR BY the Central Government. When Delhi spends an estimated 100-600 crore rupees, that is money disbursed in Goan economy GENERATING LOCAL TAXES. That money sooner or later will be available to build many local projects, that we all want. MOPA is also jobs for Goans (building and maintenance) who will then be less dependent on foreigners or on migration. How long will Goans be able to move to the Mid-East in search of jobs? Goans going beyond the Middle East now is nearly ended except perhaps to Portugal. Finally many Goans complain that MOPA / North Goa will be a mere transit and to benefit South Maharastra. That's the precise benefit. After all Goa flourished in the 15th to the 17th century because it was a transit point for trade (and pilgrims to Mecca) between India and the rest of the world. This bonanza ended with Dutch and British blockade. After that Portugal as a trading power declined. Let's learn from Goan history, including its two golden periods. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: SEMINAR/MEETING WITH NRI - GOANS DELEGATION IN KUWAIT
The reference below is to : A 3-member delegation comprising of Adv. Herculano Dourado (Ex-M.L.A)Vice Chairman of the NRI Goa Facilitation Center Government of Goa, Brg. (Retd.) Ian da Costa VSM and Mr.Mohandas S. Surlakar All three are members of the Executive Committee of the NRI-GOA FC as per their website - http://www.nrigoa.com/members.html Can anybody pls provide email addresses of the three? Thank you - Bosco -- Forwarded message -- From: P F Date: Apr 5, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: NRI affairs To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mr.Bosco: Could I have the contact numbers/addresses of the three gentlemen named by wilson coelho so that I can personally contact the and address my case. Many thanks. Regards, P F _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Accident at Guirim, innocent lives lost
Hi Gabriel Thanks for your information that some driver's put off one font beam to save on power. I was not aware of this particular absurd practise till now but recall that it nearly put paid to my life and family when driving on a very dark night in a village in Goa. I drove towards a vehicle which had just one main light (left) on and simply assumed it was a motorbike. Fortunately, the truck driver switched on his other (right) main beam at the last moment and through hard emergency braking a crash was avoided. The incident traumatised me and I have not driven in Goa again at night. I have used taxis instead. Cornel - Original Message - From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Accident at Guirim, innocent lives lost --- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That the drivers put off one head-light in the nights to save on the battery. What a stupid notion! I think these drivers ought to be trained in electro-mechanics - that there is a dynamo/alternator to charge the battery *and* supply the power for the accessories; as long as the engine is running (and in turn, activating the alternator), there is very little chance of running down the battery, unless the alternator is not doing its job. I suppose it is the the same ignorance that leads these truckers to indicate right as an indication to the vehicle behind them to overtake, as also putting the vehicle in neutral or switching the engine off going downhill (thinking they're saving fuel), which again, is dangerous practice, the latter especially if the vehicle is fitted with power-brakes. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Fortcoming essay in the Portuguese Journa l «Babilonia»
Here goes an abstract in English of a text in Portuguese to appear in the forthcoming issue of the Journal «Babilónia» of the Department of Culture, Languages and Translations, of the Lusophone University of Humanities and Technologies, Lisbon. The past issues of the Journal may be read on-line at http://babilonia.ulusofona.pt/ -- Imperial Logic and Contemporary Processes Analysing a few colonial memoirs recently published in Goa and in Portugal Teotónio R. de Souza Analysis of the Portuguese colonial-imperial logic. The analysis is based on nine recently published memoirs. They include five Goan authors and four Portuguese authors. This analysis comes obviously too late for any intervention in those imperial processes. The memoirs always look back and are exercises which often display reduced capacity of taking into account the full logic that accompanied those processes. However, I believe that they can still serve to gauge the long term implications of those processes. Transitions and continuity need to be taken into account to better assess the processes that interest us here. They cannot be validly analysed only in the time-space context in which they took place, or in isolation from their background and subsequent effects. It is in this perspective that I choose to analyse the «contemporary processes» and I consider it still useful to analyse the memoirs of some participants in those processes. I wish however to leave a caveat: We need also to watch out for the traps that these memoirs can embody to distract us from the truth. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense is not going to change
Hi Eddie At least you had a test of sorts to obtain an Indian driving license. I was told by a very pleasant fellow in Margao that a test was unnecessary as I had driven for many years outside India but also in India on the International Permit to drive when visiting another country. All I was asked for was a certain amount of cash! I found this repugnant and decided that I could do without an Indian driving license. Moreover, taxis became preferrable when vehicular density and congestion got really bad, despite the availability of a car at home in Goa. Cornel PS Some time ago, I found driving in Turkey, even in the main cities, worse than in India. There must be many other places so bad that, driving in India may be deemed to be perfectly OK! - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: RE: [Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense is not going to change --- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use a self-drive car during my annual visit to Goa and though I have a British Driving licence, I decided to apply for one in Goa in order to acquire yet another local identity document. The test was absolutely pathetic. In the oral part the examiner asked me what I should do before overtaking. I listed the checks I would make but he was not satisfied and kept on repeating the question. I listed a few more cautions but he was still not content. I finally gave up and asked him what else I should do. Blow the horn, BLOW THE HORN, he screamed in my ear. Mario observes: Eddie, First of all, kudos for driving yourself, which shows you have some cajones. Most expats are too afraid to drive in India. Many locals are afraid as well. But I found your comments above hilarious. Those of you who expect these attitudes to change in India are as CRAZY as every driver in India, even those who become perfectly normal and reasonable citizens as soon as they park their cars. As soon as you people realize that the only rule in India is not to hit anything, then maybe you will all relax and live longer. Eddie, the horn blowing is MANDATORY, to tell everyone else that there's another MANIAC in the vicinity that they need to watch out for:-)) Haven't you seen the sign behind every truck in India, BLOW HORN - PLEASE? Get it? PLEASE!!! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] AFC: Fransa Inclusion in NFL a Mistake
AFC: Fransa Inclusion in NFL a Mistake Coming down heavily on the confrontationalist attitude of Goan club Fransa Pax, the Asian Football Confederation today said such teams which do not follow professional principles should not form part of the National League. It was a mistake to invite Fransa to play in the National Football League. Such clubs claim to be professional but conduct themselves as amateur outfits, AFC Secretary General Peter Vellappan said here today. Fransa president Micky Pacheco has reportedly disbanded his team after AIFF's disciplinary committee awarded three points to Air India due to the Goan club's no-show on match day protesting refereeing decisions in a previous NFL match. In a professional league, clubs have to apply to the Federation in order to play in the league, Vellappan said. A club licensing system is the need of the hour in India. Clubs have to sign a contract whereby they commit themselves to certain rules of the league. Severe fines and other penalties are imposed if they fail to follow them, he said. A committee would then vet the credentials of the club to determine if it is worthy of playing in the national league, he said. If a team pulls out midway, the sponsors would lose mileage and may decide to cut the amount of money promised initially, Vellappan said. He admitted that all clubs may not agree to the regulations in the beginning. If only six clubs come forward, we can go with it and widen the base as we go along, Vellappan said. Soccernet.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: Fwd: [Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Apr-2006 15:57 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Mario asks: Wait a minute. Not so fast. Where did you get the idea that a passport from a second rate European country like Portugal is a superior travel document to that of an acknowledged future superpower like India? Mario, I don't know whether you have ever experienced travel difficulties with Indian v/s Portuguese passport first-hand. I have had, between 1983 through to 1996, in various countries, when I travelled on a Portuguese document and the wife on an Indian one. Not only travelling on international routes, but also (surprise, surprise) on entering India. I never had a problem, but always had to wait for the wife to clear immigration, as often, we were in different queues. I didn't require a visa (except for India); she always did (except for India). Now, we all travel on Australian documents, and we often see queues of Indian passport holders at places like Singapore and Malaysia being queried thoroughly, and we just walk through with a stamp on ths passport allowing us 30 days stay (no visas required). Future super-power or not, Indians require tourist visas for practically every country they visit. Australian (as also Portuguese) passport holders don't need tourist visas for most countries. A Portuguese passport is thus indeed a far superior document than that of your future super-power, disproving your pet theory. And there was absolutely no need for you to refer to Portugal the way you did. Observation: India insists on a tourist visa, even if for a stay of a week. Perhaps if this over-protectionist attitude of India was relaxed, other countries would reciprocate towards India by relaxing their rules. BTW, I don't know how you can call India a future super-power or even the world's «largest democracy», given the abject poverty that still afflicts most of India, the insecurity with which most people live in, and the rampant corruption that has infiltrated every govt department including defence. Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - VIC - Australia. On Yahoo!7 Music: Create your own personalised radio station. http://au.launch.yahoo.com/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
