Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
Hi Greg, bit belated, but I'm following up on our comment from 18 months back about writing up my very positive GAE experience with my Cloud web app www.bikeshopmanager.com (been a little busy!) are you still on the GAE project? can I talk to you about a couple of PR-related things, if so, how do I get in touch directly? many thanks, Doug On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:16:39 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:16:39 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
Hi Alex, very interesting reading about your apps, see below.. On Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:43:56 AM UTC+2, alex wrote: 1. One of the apps I built is a local restaurant online orders: http://www.orostube.it (they cook pretty much amazingly tasty pizza over there.) A customer drags whatever they want to eat to the baghttp://www.orostube.it/online, checks out with cash (paying on site) or a credit card. The owner gets notified (Channels API) and confirms the order. Customer receives a feedback by email + instantly on the page (again via Channels API) with the time of pickup. The whole add to the bag, checkout, confirm and pick up thing goes during their lunch and dinner open hours. Actually, add to the bag and checkout can be done any time. excellent user interface and experience, very slick, I'm impressed! I'm not surprised to hear the hardest part for you was javascript. I compromised on the sexy front-end in favor of practicalities and opted for GWT and the Sencha framework for mine. So 95% of the time I just have to write Java and not worry too much about browser issues, which is great when you don't have a big team.Nice part about all this is I can always re-skin the 'end-customer' facing part without touching the backend or the admin console. Plus, the owner has an admin interface where he can add new dishes, pizza, featured this week, daily and monthly orders stats (using Cron service to launch a couple nightly jobs), etc. The site never went down (running 8 months now), even during the worst times GAE infrastructure had. Ever. I've never had such a relief from having to manage my own servers, load balancers, think about a cron service, etc., before I started using GAE in production. yes, my site has never gone down, but I've had quite a few wobbles recently with lots of instances starting up and high latencies (theres another thread about this) The main challenges were actually not in coding server side but on the client javascript (HTML5, make it cross-browsers compatible, drag drop events for touch devices). Though, I did have to be careful with credit cards processing and API calls from their local bank, Channel API caveats ( http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=4940) and Timezone handling (as stupid as it might sound). 2. An app for a local event, http://2012.ictdays.it/en The most challenging stuff here is probably handling users registration: there are about 90 companies participating to the event. They offer either job or an internship (or both). Then, there are students (from local universities), who can make a mini-appointment, 10 min interview, with a company(ies) they're interested in. So, every company has free timeslots. Whenever a user makes an appointment it becomes busy. There are many users and many slots so, the code updates entities within xg transactions so that two users wouldn't take the same free timeslots. The other thing is, all those data (e.g. appointments) are being synchronized with a Google Spreadsheet. Why? Organizers love lists and spreadsheets. They can mix and match data w/o asking/waiting me to implement a new feature within the app: they just do something like in the attachment - create a table where pink squares represent busy slots (already taken). After having this, they just relax in a chair watching new pink squares appear on that worksheet and focusing on marketing and how to make the event even more popular. this is fascinating too. I've been using Google Spreadsheets too, and for me that's one of the massive attractions of the GAE platform; the easy accessibility to a rich API set that has very broad user appeal familiarity; spreadsheets, calendar, maps etc. I actually use the database for my calendar coz its at the core of my system, but use spreadsheets to let customers put their bike fleets into and out of the system. Coz 99% of my clients were using spreadsheets before, as you say it makes sense to leverage a familiar environment for them. I use asynchronous updates to keep the app in sync with the spreadsheet. (though once loaded they mainly interact with my app). I even wrote a whole backup system using spreadsheets and Task Queues coz when I started there were very limited backup options in Java (not sure I'd recommend the approach though ;) Anyway, the problem here was make Google Spreadsheet sync work: it (Spreadsheets API) gives timeouts and other errors sometimes (I guess I POST to the spreadsheet too aggressively sometimes) so Task Queue service is priceless here. There's not always that much traffic on those two apps, but when it comes to busy hours it's awesome see QPS raising (sometimes like crazy) and the app simple scales without me having to do absolutely anything. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:16:39 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I'd like to second that, there
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:36 AM, doright doug.stodd...@gmail.com wrote: this is fascinating too. I've been using Google Spreadsheets too, and for me that's one of the massive attractions of the GAE platform; the easy accessibility to a rich API set that has very broad user appeal familiarity; spreadsheets, calendar, maps etc. I actually use the database for my calendar coz its at the core of my system, but use spreadsheets to let customers put their bike fleets into and out of the system. Coz 99% of my clients were using spreadsheets before, as you say it makes sense to leverage a familiar environment for them. I use asynchronous updates to keep the app in sync with the spreadsheet. (though once loaded they mainly interact with my app). I even wrote a whole backup system using spreadsheets and Task Queues coz when I started there were very limited backup options in Java (not sure I'd recommend the approach though ;) I have to admit that I'm *really* disappointed with the Spreadsheet API. I expected an API that resembled, well, a spreadsheet - some sort of tabular structure. Instead it's a wacky Atom feed (actually, multiple wacky Atom feeds) which requires an enormous amount of work to parse and put into an actual tabular structure. I really feel like Google isn't even trying with this one. We use a Google Spreadsheet to hold all the master data for https://www.voo.st/compare I wrote a python script that sucks the data down and reformats it into html that gets included with our deployments. Overall the workflow is great and way better than trying to maintain a shared document in git or dropbox or whatnot... but the script is janky as hell. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
Congratulations! Any chance you can open source this great spreadsheet viewer? :) On Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:42:50 PM UTC-3, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:36 AM, doright doug.stodd...@gmail.com wrote: this is fascinating too. I've been using Google Spreadsheets too, and for me that's one of the massive attractions of the GAE platform; the easy accessibility to a rich API set that has very broad user appeal familiarity; spreadsheets, calendar, maps etc. I actually use the database for my calendar coz its at the core of my system, but use spreadsheets to let customers put their bike fleets into and out of the system. Coz 99% of my clients were using spreadsheets before, as you say it makes sense to leverage a familiar environment for them. I use asynchronous updates to keep the app in sync with the spreadsheet. (though once loaded they mainly interact with my app). I even wrote a whole backup system using spreadsheets and Task Queues coz when I started there were very limited backup options in Java (not sure I'd recommend the approach though ;) I have to admit that I'm *really* disappointed with the Spreadsheet API. I expected an API that resembled, well, a spreadsheet - some sort of tabular structure. Instead it's a wacky Atom feed (actually, multiple wacky Atom feeds) which requires an enormous amount of work to parse and put into an actual tabular structure. I really feel like Google isn't even trying with this one. We use a Google Spreadsheet to hold all the master data for https://www.voo.st/compare I wrote a python script that sucks the data down and reformats it into html that gets included with our deployments. Overall the workflow is great and way better than trying to maintain a shared document in git or dropbox or whatnot... but the script is janky as hell. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/j_sfzCM2IpcJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
My app is small data but a fair amount of complexity-- the
leading e-commerce platform and marketplace designed for wholesale, which
is very different than consumer.
- 1000s of disparate data sources-- Google Spreadsheets (read live), data
feeds, and more.
- third party integrations: email (Amzn SES), search engine, custom
payment vault, accounting system, ad server (Google DFP), Google Analytics
(incl events), twitter, etc.
- 7 types of user accounts and 4+ tiers for two of them; catalog subsets
('portals') for partners incl. skins, capabilities, listings, etc.
- complex business rules for pricing, promos, discounting, order minimums,
payments and more.
- custom/modified GAE-based image processing pipeline, JS CSS
compiler/compressors, littletable-based analytics package, etc.
- dozens of automation tools for customer service and support.
- html5 mobile app for assisting sales reps in the field; results affect
search ranking.
- Python 2.5, with appstats, ereporter, pylint and git, selenium/sauce,
rietveld -- moving to 2.7 sometime this year...
- 50,000 lines of code and ~4 person-years, for everything incl the
HTML/JS/CSS (!!); two patents pending.
At Google, I got a reputation as a maniac-- the BBF team are the same.
It's hard work, but really fun. Our customers are a who's who of US
specialty food brands and grocery stores, including Hilton Hotels, Whole
Foods, and a large tech company based in Mountain View, CA.
Currently, we're looking to extend ereporter to capture the top N
useragents (e.g. bots or browsers, and which ones) and referrers (track
down the source)-- if you want to help, reply, we'll send code and a bunch
of artisan chocolate from the warehouse!
adam
http://bbfdirect.com/ - world's largest catalog for wholesale specialty
products
On Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:04:39 AM UTC-7, gops wrote:
We all know that google app engine scales and the prince's wedding website
was a prime example of that.
I would also like to know if someone out there is making highly complex
system on top of google app engine ? ( By Complex, I mean, lots of cross
entity transaction, more than hundred different tables, complex
relationship with tables) and they are successful in doing so.
I know that admin console is also built on top of google app engine
platform. ( which is not much complex IMHO ).
what are the other applications ?
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well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) On Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:04:39 PM UTC+2, gops wrote: We all know that google app engine scales and the prince's wedding website was a prime example of that. I would also like to know if someone out there is making highly complex system on top of google app engine ? ( By Complex, I mean, lots of cross entity transaction, more than hundred different tables, complex relationship with tables) and they are successful in doing so. I know that admin console is also built on top of google app engine platform. ( which is not much complex IMHO ). what are the other applications ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/K3Z_T2mqL34J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard.wat...@gmail.comwrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :) On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:16:39 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard.wat...@gmail.comwrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/y9y_XXJ5XGwJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :) https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/premier/ On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:48 AM, alex a...@cloudware.it wrote: How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :) On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:16:39 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard.wat...@gmail.com wrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/y9y_XXJ5XGwJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM, doright doug.stodd...@gmail.com wrote: www.bikeshopmanager.com Cool! A buddy of mine used to be a principal in a bike shop in Berkeley. We spent a lot of time talking about how bad the point of sale/inventory/rental/etc software was for bike shops and how much they really needed some sort of bike-specific solution. It's a similar story with lots of POS applications. I briefly considered making a startup out of it. Why not open this up to US customers? There are a *lot* of bike rental shops, especially MTB rentals in outdoorsy places like Utah and Colorado. Touristy beach towns often have bike rental shops too. I don't know the numbers but I imagine it would at least double your market, maybe quite a bit more. BTW you can use CloudFlare to get SSL on your primary domain. We use this at https://www.voo.st/ and have no complaints with the results. I've been meaning to write up a HOWTO blog entry but it's not terribly complicated. I always cringe when I see appspot urls in production; I fear prospective customers do the same. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
I would say chat with us at I/O but I assume that would just get me boo-ed and tomatoes thrown for all the people who wanted to get in that weren't able to :( We do office hours frequently and there is always someone from the team there (which is sometimes me). I'm always happy to chat with people about their apps although I have a few time constraints so it might not happen immediately. This, of course, becomes an issue when the thing someone wants to talk to me about is my-app-is-down-right-now-and-I-want-a-response-in-30-seconds. There are 100s of 1000s of App Engine developers so if everyone always emailed me they probably wouldn't all get responses, but interestingly few of them do. At any rate, you have my email address :) Greg PS - Should I start the vent here about how you didn't get into I/O thread? Is that what I just did? On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM, alex a...@cloudware.it wrote: How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :) On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:16:39 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard.wat...@gmail.com wrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-**LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** msg/google-appengine/-/**HE8c9rSpSBMJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ . To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.**comgoogle-appengine@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/google-appengine?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/y9y_XXJ5XGwJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :) Option A: (If you are fast) Google IO. Option B: (If you have a budget for Alcohol) Go to Mountain View and Invite everyone from the AppEngine List for Beer. Option C: (If you are in the Pacific Rim) Travel to Australia and Kidnap one of the employees working from there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
c'mon I was kidding :) Of course it wasn't about my-app-is-down- thing. Plus, Italy = SF is a long way to go anyway, even for I/O. I might stop by the next handout though. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:54:02 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I would say chat with us at I/O but I assume that would just get me boo-ed and tomatoes thrown for all the people who wanted to get in that weren't able to :( We do office hours frequently and there is always someone from the team there (which is sometimes me). I'm always happy to chat with people about their apps although I have a few time constraints so it might not happen immediately. This, of course, becomes an issue when the thing someone wants to talk to me about is my-app-is-down-right-now-and-I-want-a-response-in-30-seconds. There are 100s of 1000s of App Engine developers so if everyone always emailed me they probably wouldn't all get responses, but interestingly few of them do. At any rate, you have my email address :) Greg PS - Should I start the vent here about how you didn't get into I/O thread? Is that what I just did? On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM, alex a...@cloudware.it wrote: How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :) On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:16:39 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard.wat...@gmail.com wrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-**LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** msg/google-appengine/-/**HE8c9rSpSBMJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ . To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.** com google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/google-appengine?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/y9y_XXJ5XGwJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:54:02 PM UTC+2, Greg D'Alesandre wrote: I would say chat with us at I/O but I assume that would just get me boo-ed and tomatoes thrown for all the people who wanted to get in that weren't able to :( We do office hours frequently and there is always someone from the team there (which is sometimes me). I'm always happy to chat with people about their apps although I have a few time constraints so it might not happen immediately. This, of course, becomes an issue when the thing someone wants to talk to me about is my-app-is-down-right-now-and-I-want-a-response-in-30-seconds. There are 100s of 1000s of App Engine developers so if everyone always emailed me they probably wouldn't all get responses, but interestingly few of them do. At any rate, you have my email address :) Greg
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:12:29 PM UTC+2, Brandon Wirtz wrote: How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :) Option A: (If you are fast) Google IO. Too late :) Option B: (If you have a budget for Alcohol) Go to Mountain View and Invite everyone from the AppEngine List for Beer. Sounds like fun, I could be passing by San Jose in few months Option C: (If you are in the Pacific Rim) Travel to Australia and Kidnap one of the employees working from there. I think you've tried that already but it didn't work out or did it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/PobROFTKX78J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
yeah thanks Jeff, nice to hear from a fellow cyclist on this forum too! I'm sure there's probably a lot more of us lurking silently in google-land.. hey, https://www.voo.st/, nice website, and great to see Facebook integration in action, that's pretty high on my list, along with a nice shiny-backing tracked video like yours ;) yes, so far it's proving a good market, I've been running a bike shop in France for 6 years and 10 years programming before that, so a good mix of my skills. I am most definitely open for business in North America, and worldwide in fact. I was out in Florida a few months ago talking to some bike shops and funnily enough corresponding with shops in Utah before that! If anyone wants to be my North America agent?! (guess I shouldn't say stuff like that on this forum) Thanks for the link about CloudFare, sounds good, I will investigate, definitely not a big fan of appspot URL. many thanks, Doug On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:42:12 PM UTC+2, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM, doright doug.stodd...@gmail.com wrote: www.bikeshopmanager.com Cool! A buddy of mine used to be a principal in a bike shop in Berkeley. We spent a lot of time talking about how bad the point of sale/inventory/rental/etc software was for bike shops and how much they really needed some sort of bike-specific solution. It's a similar story with lots of POS applications. I briefly considered making a startup out of it. Why not open this up to US customers? There are a *lot* of bike rental shops, especially MTB rentals in outdoorsy places like Utah and Colorado. Touristy beach towns often have bike rental shops too. I don't know the numbers but I imagine it would at least double your market, maybe quite a bit more. BTW you can use CloudFlare to get SSL on your primary domain. We use this at https://www.voo.st/ and have no complaints with the results. I've been meaning to write up a HOWTO blog entry but it's not terribly complicated. I always cringe when I see appspot urls in production; I fear prospective customers do the same. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/7EurruNBPO0J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
I am a business-use developer and somewhat of a forum lurker (unless it is a task queue subject). Absolutely endorse what Greg is saying. GAE is a terrific platform for business tool development. (Note that I do not do much transactional tools work such as inventory control. Dealing with GAE's eventual consistency may be much harder for such work.) It is amazingly freeing to have no worries about anything other than features your customers need. And once one gets a sense for it, GAE is a very productive development environment (more optimization case studies desperately needed here.) Having developed a good tool for business, I would think it very unusual that GAE's cost structure would constrain one's profit margins. -stevep On Mar 28, 5:16 am, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com wrote: I'd like to second that, there are a lot of folks in the Group from the startup and hobbyist communities which is why you hear from those segments a lot but there is a large group of folks out there building applications (and businesses) along these lines that talk to the App Engine team in person but don't participate as much on the list. I too would love to hear more about it! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Richard Watson richard.wat...@gmail.comwrote: I think your app is perfect for GAE, actually. Build something you charge for, have it cost less than that, never (or rarely) worry about scaling. The thing is called Google App Engine, not Free-Google-Platform-For-Your-LOLcat-Website. Would love to read more about what you've done. On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:38:39 AM UTC+2, doright wrote: well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. Most of what I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. (you can see links in there to a library of videos demonstrating the sort of functionality) www.bikeshopmanager.com (re-posted this at the correct level, with link) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HE8c9rSpSBMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, doright doug.stodd...@gmail.com wrote: hey, https://www.voo.st/, nice website, and great to see Facebook integration in action, that's pretty high on my list, along with a nice shiny-backing tracked video like yours ;) We used the Mac version of this: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.html Worth every penny. After watching the introduction videos back-to-back, it took us about a day to write this video... and most of that was fumbling around figuring it out. yes, so far it's proving a good market, I've been running a bike shop in France for 6 years and 10 years programming before that, so a good mix of my skills. I am most definitely open for business in North America, and worldwide in fact. I was out in Florida a few months ago talking to some bike shops and funnily enough corresponding with shops in Utah before that! If anyone wants to be my North America agent?! (guess I shouldn't say stuff like that on this forum) Awesome that you've found a good niche! There are sooo many markets out there with poor software (or no software at all). It disappoints me that every startup in the Bay Area is trying to build yet another chat application or way to share pictures... Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
I'm very curious about this, I've visited CloudFlare website but never figured out what I would use it for? What do you use it for? - As far as I know I can use SSL on appspot and my google apps domain, Have I been wrong all this time? Checking it again - I can't reach my google apps domain from https, probably I was confused before because I remember visiting my website from https, anyway I remember reading problems reaching a website via CloudFlare, GAE disabling access to them etc, would you suggest using CloudFlare for a large website? I know this is a bit off-topic but thanks in advance for any answers On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:42:12 PM UTC+3, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM, doright wrote: www.bikeshopmanager.com Cool! A buddy of mine used to be a principal in a bike shop in Berkeley. We spent a lot of time talking about how bad the point of sale/inventory/rental/etc software was for bike shops and how much they really needed some sort of bike-specific solution. It's a similar story with lots of POS applications. I briefly considered making a startup out of it. Why not open this up to US customers? There are a *lot* of bike rental shops, especially MTB rentals in outdoorsy places like Utah and Colorado. Touristy beach towns often have bike rental shops too. I don't know the numbers but I imagine it would at least double your market, maybe quite a bit more. BTW you can use CloudFlare to get SSL on your primary domain. We use this at https://www.voo.st/ and have no complaints with the results. I've been meaning to write up a HOWTO blog entry but it's not terribly complicated. I always cringe when I see appspot urls in production; I fear prospective customers do the same. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/VcgRAd0m1HMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, doright doug.stodd...@gmail.com wrote: hey, https://www.voo.st/, nice website, and great to see Facebook integration in action, that's pretty high on my list, along with a nice shiny-backing tracked video like yours ;) We used the Mac version of this: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.html Worth every penny. After watching the introduction videos back-to-back, it took us about a day to write this video... and most of that was fumbling around figuring it out. ok cool, I will definitely investigate, thanks. Wish I'd found this before ;) yes, so far it's proving a good market, I've been running a bike shop in France for 6 years and 10 years programming before that, so a good mix of my skills. I am most definitely open for business in North America, and worldwide in fact. I was out in Florida a few months ago talking to some bike shops and funnily enough corresponding with shops in Utah before that! If anyone wants to be my North America agent?! (guess I shouldn't say stuff like that on this forum) Awesome that you've found a good niche! There are sooo many markets out there with poor software (or no software at all). It disappoints me that every startup in the Bay Area is trying to build yet another chat application or way to share pictures... I couldn't agree more! Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
My apps are not so complex, but I have a site to Photo Laboratories receive orders through internet running since september 2010 (www.revelacaovirtual.com.br). It has transmited more than 300 thousing pics and there are paying clients too. Domingo, 25 de Março de 2012 12h04min39s UTC-3, gops escreveu: We all know that google app engine scales and the prince's wedding website was a prime example of that. I would also like to know if someone out there is making highly complex system on top of google app engine ? ( By Complex, I mean, lots of cross entity transaction, more than hundred different tables, complex relationship with tables) and they are successful in doing so. I know that admin console is also built on top of google app engine platform. ( which is not much complex IMHO ). what are the other applications ? Domingo, 25 de Março de 2012 12h04min39s UTC-3, gops escreveu: We all know that google app engine scales and the prince's wedding website was a prime example of that. I would also like to know if someone out there is making highly complex system on top of google app engine ? ( By Complex, I mean, lots of cross entity transaction, more than hundred different tables, complex relationship with tables) and they are successful in doing so. I know that admin console is also built on top of google app engine platform. ( which is not much complex IMHO ). what are the other applications ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/4xdhdkv8whIJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Kaan Soral kaanso...@gmail.com wrote: Checking it again - I can't reach my google apps domain from https, probably I was confused before because I remember visiting my website from https, anyway I remember reading problems reaching a website via CloudFlare, GAE disabling access to them etc, would you suggest using CloudFlare for a large website? Yeah, SSL on your own domain is not available unless you're in the SSL trusted tester program... which, as far as I can tell, is pretty much impossible to get into at this point. We're not operating at scale yet, but it seems to work fine and CF services a lot of traffic. For $20/mo we get SSL. The edge caching, DOS protection, etc is all gravy - I could turn it off and still be happy. And turning it off seems to be pretty easy. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
well, I'm not in these guy's league but I have built a Saas on GAEJ, it's been in production since late 2010, with paying customers. I plan to write up my experience at some stage, as I know its not your typical GAE app. Its more of an enterprise software solution than a true web-startup, but so far I've found GAE keeps on delivering and I have used pretty much most of what they have to offer in terms of infrastructure. What I'm not using yet I certainly plan to use in the future. Its been a mainly very positive experience. On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:53:05 AM UTC+2, johnP wrote: Brandon - finally a post of yours that I can agree with :) On Mar 26, 6:12 pm, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Wow, I'm very impressed Waleed is the sleeping giant on this list. Every so often he steps out of the shadow says something like I made this change and it cut my instances by about 450 or My bandwidth usage seems to be about 16 gigabytes high today, and does such so casually that it reminds all us small folk that we are men amongst the giants. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Kg5F94os-nsJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: In your opinion what are the most complex web applications built on top of google app engine ?
Brandon - finally a post of yours that I can agree with :) On Mar 26, 6:12 pm, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Wow, I'm very impressed Waleed is the sleeping giant on this list. Every so often he steps out of the shadow says something like I made this change and it cut my instances by about 450 or My bandwidth usage seems to be about 16 gigabytes high today, and does such so casually that it reminds all us small folk that we are men amongst the giants. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
