Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/5 Richard Danter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Not sure I want to run one at home, don't think my bandwidth (upload) > is good enough. Any free proxy services you know of/recommend? > Free, no. If I am out of the country and I want to download / stream a program I'll do so through a VPS I have. Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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2008/12/5 Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/5 Richard Danter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> One thing that annoys me a little is that much of the media, specially >> the live media like news24, can only be viewed if you are connecting >> from a UK IP address. >> > > Get a UK proxy, or run one on a machine at home and proxy everything > through that. Not sure I want to run one at home, don't think my bandwidth (upload) is good enough. Any free proxy services you know of/recommend? Rich -- http://radanter.deviantart.com/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/5 Richard Danter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/5 Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/5 Stephen Rowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> "The BBC does not charge you to use BBC iPlayer, nor does the current >>> version require a television licence" >>> >>> Which I guess means they reserve the right to change that to require a >>> license in the future as only the *current* version requires no license. >>> >> >> Where "they" aren't the BBC. > > This is getting even more off topic, but... > > One thing that annoys me a little is that much of the media, specially > the live media like news24, can only be viewed if you are connecting > from a UK IP address. > > Now I guess this is because they want only UK residents, who they must > be assuming mostly have a TV license, to watch it. Problem is that I > *AM* a UK resident and I *DO* have a TV license but I also do a lot of > travelling and being able to watch news24 from a hotel room elsewhere > in Europe would be really nice but is not allowed. > > Would really have liked to hear more the other day while I was in my > hotel room with no English TV and hearing some news about UK and US > people being shot in some other hotels (I didn't know it was in India > at the time). Hit send too soon... I was of course able to read about it, though I do find the adverts annoying too. > > Guess my real point is that here is a service I am actually paying for > (through my license fee) but which I am not able to use all the time I > would like. > > Rich > > -- > http://radanter.deviantart.com/ > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/5 Richard Danter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > One thing that annoys me a little is that much of the media, specially > the live media like news24, can only be viewed if you are connecting > from a UK IP address. > Get a UK proxy, or run one on a machine at home and proxy everything through that. Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/5 Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/5 Stephen Rowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> "The BBC does not charge you to use BBC iPlayer, nor does the current >> version require a television licence" >> >> Which I guess means they reserve the right to change that to require a >> license in the future as only the *current* version requires no license. >> > > Where "they" aren't the BBC. This is getting even more off topic, but... One thing that annoys me a little is that much of the media, specially the live media like news24, can only be viewed if you are connecting from a UK IP address. Now I guess this is because they want only UK residents, who they must be assuming mostly have a TV license, to watch it. Problem is that I *AM* a UK resident and I *DO* have a TV license but I also do a lot of travelling and being able to watch news24 from a hotel room elsewhere in Europe would be really nice but is not allowed. Would really have liked to hear more the other day while I was in my hotel room with no English TV and hearing some news about UK and US people being shot in some other hotels (I didn't know it was in India at the time). Guess my real point is that here is a service I am actually paying for (through my license fee) but which I am not able to use all the time I would like. Rich -- http://radanter.deviantart.com/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/5 Stephen Rowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "The BBC does not charge you to use BBC iPlayer, nor does the current > version require a television licence" > > Which I guess means they reserve the right to change that to require a > license in the future as only the *current* version requires no license. > Where "they" aren't the BBC. Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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2008/12/5 Stephen Rowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > "The BBC does not charge you to use BBC iPlayer, nor does the current > version require a television licence" This is [OT] but irresistible to point out : The referenced page says The BBC does not charge you to use BBC iPlayer, nor does the current version require a television licence - further information on the licence and BBC iPlayer is here. where the word 'here' is a link ... to file:///C:/help/about_iplayer/tvlicence -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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> Out of interest, does anyone know where the TV license issue stands on > browsing the BBC's website and using the iPlayer? > Presumably iPlayer is recorded TV programs and therefore a license is > required? http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/about_iplayer/charge Interesting wording though: "The BBC does not charge you to use BBC iPlayer, nor does the current version require a television licence" Which I guess means they reserve the right to change that to require a license in the future as only the *current* version requires no license. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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I would say that if the licence conditions specify recording "at the time of broadcast" or similar then it doesn't need a licence if the BBC loaded iPlayer from the master disc or tape and didn't record the programme off air. After all it happened at a different time and I don't class it as a broadcast. I'm sure TVL would put the interpretation on it that got them what they wanted. Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Out of interest, does anyone know where the TV license issue stands on browsing the BBC's website and using the iPlayer? Presumably iPlayer is recorded TV programs and therefore a license is required? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 at 11:09:08AM +, The Holy ettlz wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 11:04 +, Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: > > On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 at 09:24:59AM +, Victor Churchill wrote: > > > 2008/12/5 Dr Adam J Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > "I don't have to stop my business anymore because the computer > > > > needs constant rebooting" > > > > > > > That one is open to being parsed the wrong way > > > > Which is why I don't have a job in marketing! > > > > Though for my sins I was forced into the marketing department at > > work for 12 months - which I can only describe as the worst job > > I've ever done. > > Is it anything like "Little Nicky"? I'm not familiar with the reference. However I can say that marketing is a horrible place... -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK To send one out of office message may be considered unfortunate, but to send two looks like cluelessness. -- Simon Cozens -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Sean Gibbins wrote: > Me, I quite like the Beeb or various components thereof and don't mind > shelling out for the service. It'd be a sad loss if we went fully > commercial IMHO. We planned to have a "year off" and renew this coming year. This was supposed to be a test to see how much more we could get done without an "idiots lantern" :-) Instead we were innundated with threatening letters, phone calls and a couple of possibly fake door to door people who seemed to be very interested in what fridge and tv we had. This was enough to ensure we NEVER buy another TV ever again. To do so would be giving in to intimidation. Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 at 11:06:11AM +, Alan Pope wrote: > 2008/12/5 Dr Adam J Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Though for my sins I was forced into the marketing department at > > work for 12 months - which I can only describe as the worst job > > I've ever done. > > > > Haha, another statement open to mis-interpretation :) Indeed In honest the job was crap and I probably did respond by not working well. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK My organ doesn't work properly and emits strange burning smells -- seen on Usenet -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
Paul Stimpson wrote: > They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My > friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come round. > > I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. Yes - I have read up on this - two options 1) email the correct person at the BBC with a 'harrassment' letter. This makes TVL put your address on hold for the legal expiry time of three years the they start again - If I go down this route I think it best to send them a letter every two years reg.deliv. If they then send any further threatening letters/peeps at door you can call police and and sue for harrassment. 2) Ignore the letters and let them waste the taxpayers moolah. As they provide no contact details other than a high cost phone number (without stating the rate - an ofcom requriement) I do not see how to contact then without incurring via letter. So far I have gone for option 2 :-/ > He told them he didn't have a TV. > The investigator challenged him "but you've got a TV aerial." Our ariel on the roof fell off over five years ago and we stuck one in the attic. When the TV died we gave this ariel to a friend. We have NTL but only broadband so at the mo we have no way to watch live broadcast tv. Somehow I doubt this will stop them. We do have a 23in CRT monitor in the living room for Pauls computer so if they peek through the front window they will see a "TV" and probably start court proceedings - and we will fight and win and I will probably get legal advice on how best to get costs back :-) Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 11:04 +, Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 at 09:24:59AM +, Victor Churchill wrote: > > 2008/12/5 Dr Adam J Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > "I don't have to stop my business anymore because the computer > > > needs constant rebooting" > > > > > That one is open to being parsed the wrong way > > Which is why I don't have a job in marketing! > > Though for my sins I was forced into the marketing department at > work for 12 months - which I can only describe as the worst job > I've ever done. Is it anything like "Little Nicky"? James -- The Holy ettlz [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key ID: 03F94B5D --- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/5 Dr Adam J Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Though for my sins I was forced into the marketing department at > work for 12 months - which I can only describe as the worst job > I've ever done. > Haha, another statement open to mis-interpretation :) Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 at 09:24:59AM +, Victor Churchill wrote: > 2008/12/5 Dr Adam J Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > "I don't have to stop my business anymore because the computer > > needs constant rebooting" > > > That one is open to being parsed the wrong way Which is why I don't have a job in marketing! Though for my sins I was forced into the marketing department at work for 12 months - which I can only describe as the worst job I've ever done. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK In a world without walls - who needs windows? -- anon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/5 Dr Adam J Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > "I don't have to stop my business anymore because the computer > needs constant rebooting" > That one is open to being parsed the wrong way -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 at 07:39:10AM +, Alan Bell wrote: > Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 11:35:07AM +, Alan Bell wrote: >> >>> That would make an interesting project to film for this >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase >>> >> >> Indeed, though you may need to tweak the language so that the virus >> claim is toned down to make sure it's legal. >> >> > things have to be true?!? wow, that will take a lot of adverts off the > air. maybe we could say something like: > > Tests* show it has 100% visibly fewer infections after just two weeks > > * results supported by the "British operating system foundation"* > > * which we own Exactly you have to be very careful what you say - you have to lie in a way that is defendable. > but anyhow I think we are going to focus more on individual > applications, something like this: > > "I didn't pay anything for my document management system, but shh, don't > tell Bill" > or > "I just doubled the size of my sales team, but didn't get any extra > licenses for my customer relationship management system. . . don't tell > Bill" That sounds better anyway. "I just upgraded all my computers to the latest software and it cost me nothing!" "The new version actually fixes problems and works faster than the old version!" "I don't have to stop my business anymore because the computer needs constant rebooting" -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK I am not a PC - I am a free man! -- anon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 11:35:07AM +, Alan Bell wrote: > >> That would make an interesting project to film for this >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase >> > > Indeed, though you may need to tweak the language so that the > virus claim is toned down to make sure it's legal. > > things have to be true?!? wow, that will take a lot of adverts off the air. maybe we could say something like: Tests* show it has 100% visibly fewer infections after just two weeks * results supported by the "British operating system foundation"* * which we own but anyhow I think we are going to focus more on individual applications, something like this: "I didn't pay anything for my document management system, but shh, don't tell Bill" or "I just doubled the size of my sales team, but didn't get any extra licenses for my customer relationship management system. . . don't tell Bill" >> Alan. >> >> Paul Stimpson wrote: >> -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 at 11:05:58PM +, Gordon Scott wrote: > > M$ have been running that campaign for some time on their website. > > People really do seem to put themselves on the website as "I'm a PC". > > That's _way_ beyond sad! I know they must be really desparate. At the London Perl Workshop 2008 someone said that an ad agency were asking people at random in a Manchester shopping centre to go on camera saying they were a PC. He said that he declined - even though the young lady was very pretty but probably didn't know what a PC was...! -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Linux? Il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher. -- anon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 11:35:07AM +, Alan Bell wrote: > That would make an interesting project to film for this > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase Indeed, though you may need to tweak the language so that the virus claim is toned down to make sure it's legal. > Alan. > > Paul Stimpson wrote: >> "Is it legal?" >> >> Whispers, "Shhh! Just don't tell Bill!" >> >> Or... >> >> Two people outside an office with "Bill" on the door. One of then has a >> disc case with Tux and "Linux" on it. >> >> "Is it legal?" >> >> "Yes" >> >> "Does it really work?" >> >> "Yes" >> >> "Is it quicker than ours?" >> >> "Fraid so"" >> >> "How about viruses?" >> >> "None" >> >> "There can't be any programs for it" >> >> "Thousands" >> >> "Hard to use?" >> >> "Not any more..." >> >> "Bet it's expensive" >> >> "Free" >> >> "You tell him" >> >> "No, you tell him" >> >> (They all push the disc at each other then look at each other. One grabs the >> large pot plant by the door out of its pot, >> The other throws the disc in then they ram the plant back in and sneak off.) >> >> Cheers, >> Paul. >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:16:07 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion >> List >> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC... >> >> >> On Wednesday 03 Dec 2008, Alan Bell wrote: >> >>> Alan Pope wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> We should be looking at ways of promoting what we have, our advantages >>>> over the competition, our strengths, not kick off knee-jerk copy-cat >>>> reactionary marketing. The public see through that very quickly. Take >>>> the appalling Novel "I'm Linux" adverts as a prime example of how >>>> _not_ to do it. >>>> >>> as luck would have it we are working on a marketing campaign right now, >>> it is far too early to share it with anyone, but I will anyway (just >>> don't blog it yet). Basically what we are saying is that there is loads >>> of great Free software out there, but it is a secret - don't tell Bill. >>> Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold >>> our gas. We can use this theme to talk about all sorts of Free software >>> and of course the services that are available to help people take >>> advantage of it. Here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/Postcards.pdf >>> is some sample artwork for postcards we could send to small businesses >>> (but I think we prefer the full colour version) let me know what you >>> think. Obviously the stuff we do will have an Open Learning Centre theme >>> to it, but there is no reason why anyone else couldn't do their own >>> "don't tell Bill" marketing. >>> >> >> I like it, it's quite amusing and gets the point across. Here is >> something you can legally save money with but don't tell anyone or >> everyone will know how to save money... The people who know who Bill is >> will think it's funny everyone else will get the idea that they are >> supposed to tell everyone really. >> >> It reminds me of http://browsehappy.com/ which seems to have gone >> silent - I hope you are able to maintain some momentum. >> >> Good luck with the campaign. >> >> > -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with Windows. -- anon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
You are licensing the right to receive a television signal, be that by terrestrial, satellite, cable or on your PC. (I abhor the "license" moniker... it's a tax) When I actually proved to them that I wasn't receiving any signal to my television, I was told my TV was "illegal" and I had to have it "disabled". I agreed to have it "disabled" by a qualified engineer if the BBC were willing to pay for it and also pay to have it reversed when I wanted to sell the television. The TVLA vermin declined. Regards Bryan --- On Thu, 4/12/08, Sean Gibbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That is odd because I thought you were licensing the set(s) at your address and and not the right to receive and watch broadcasts as such. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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These people are really vile. They get a commission for each person they "catch" and are quite willing to lie about you. I bought a usb wintv freeview receiver thingy recently and even though my wife (who shares my surname and lives at the same address as me) has a television license, the buggers still sent me an application form with the relevant threats. I just shredded it along with some other stuff, filled the envelope and sent it back. --- On Thu, 4/12/08, Paul Stimpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Paul Stimpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC... To: "Hampshire LUG Mailing List" Date: Thursday, 4 December, 2008, 9:33 AM They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come round. I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told them he didn't have a TV. The investigator challenged him "but you've got a TV aerial." I love his response "I've got a pint of milk in the fridge. Doesn't mean I've got a cow in the back garden." Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
Much as I enjoy posts dissing Windows from a superior vantage point, please have a bit of pity for those of us in workplaces where we have XP with Intenet Explorer 6 (do you remember browsing without tabs?) and beaurocracy to get through before any chance of anything as radical as installing Firefox or Opera, never mind other operating systems. It's like living in the dark ages - Windows certainly isn't good at letting in light. Rant, rant! Owain Clarke -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 15:06 +, Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: > As you say it is an over simplification but even so there are tens > of thousands of items of malware for Windows and less than > hundreds for Linux. Oversimplification perhaps, but I think accuracy, honesty and openness are important values of the Free Software community and to say that the Linux virus count is "none" is simply not correct (whether "in the wild" or not). That said, personally I'd take advice from the legal experts before making any public claims about software security. James -- The Holy ettlz [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key ID: 03F94B5D --- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 09:58:26AM +, The Holy ettlz wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 09:10 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > > > "How about viruses?" > > > > "None" > > Hmm, this isn't entirely true though, is it? There is a small ecosystem > for Linux malware (cracked forum, anyone?) including a handful of > viruses. There are in practice no real Linux viruses in the real world. That's not to say that there are not worms, Trojans and other forms of nasty things out there that hunt Linux systems. As you say it is an over simplification but even so there are tens of thousands of items of malware for Windows and less than hundreds for Linux. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with Windows. -- anon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Lisi wrote: > I would have been entitled to a refund for the > period of the licence which covered school terms. At least you can get refunds now. When I went to work in the US for a year in 1987 I couldn't get a refund on my TV license (couldn't even cancel it), so I just let it lapse a couple of months later. When I returned I rented a new TV and took out a new license. They then wrote to tell me they were starting the new license from when the old one ran out. I wrote and explained what had happened, and they immediately re-instated the new license start date. Sometimes they *do* listen! Simon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 09:12:42AM +, Jacqui Caren wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > > > 2008/12/2 Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > >> claim that they are a PC? > > Nope. Get a decent PVR with an advert skip button and you'll never > > have to see it again :) > > We decided to not replace our dead TV well over a year ago and apart from > Paul missing his grand prix (he only watches the end or the crashes) > we are very happy. I lived in the US and after a while I hated TV so much that on our return to the UK we lived without a TV for several years. Then I was given a DVD for Christmas, which I need a DVD player and some kind of viewing device. At the time a TV was the best option which is why we ended up with one. I almost never actually watch anything on TV because I'm so ad phobic and it's mostly rubbish. Anyway I'm still not a PC, and I'm still a free man! -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK "We must get users past their misunderstandings of uptime. A reboot doesn't mean that anything broke, there is no hardware or software corrective action taken, so there wasn't any real downtime." -- overheard in an MS strategy meeting -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 07:45:39AM -0500, Andy Random wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Paul Stimpson wrote: > > > It's also true that TV retailers are obliged to inform licensing of > > every TV device purchased and your address as are subscription TV > > providers. > > It is though sometimes the retailers get it wrong. > > Last year I bought a Freeview receiver online and had it delivered to my > work address, apparently the retailer then passed that address on to the > nice licensing people... > > I got a letter about a month later saying they had no record of my holding > a TV license at my office address and asking me to either buy one or > explain why not? I ignored it, they wrote to me again about 3 months later > with slightly more threatening language and I ignored that as well. I've > heard nothing more from them. Ditto, except Amazon didn't pass my address on, it was whoever they bought the unit from that did and as they had no record of me on their system - it all got very messy. I on;y bought the unit for my father, so in anyone who buys and delivers to work or buys as a gift gets a silly threatening letter. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Men who have excessive faith in their theories or ideas are not only ill prepared for making discoveries, they also make poor observations. -- Claude Bernard -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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> I got a letter about a month later saying they had no record of my holding > a TV license at my office address and asking me to either buy one or > explain why not? I ignored it, they wrote to me again about 3 months later > with slightly more threatening language and I ignored that as well. I've > heard nothing more from them. I had a rather different experience. I bought a digital decoder. I gave my name & address as I'm obliged to. They sent me a letter telling me I need a licence - even though there was already a licence for the property. A couple of weeks later, I've got some bloke on the phone telling me I need to buy a licence - to which I replied that I don't. He got ever more irate, so I just kept telling him that his database was borked, and I had all the licences I needed. Eventually, he yelled that he was "just trying to do me a favour", and slammed the phone down. A few days later, there's a knock at the door, and a TV licence inspector is there, telling me all about how I didn't have a licence, and was therefore likely to be fined a grand. So I told him I had all the licences I needed. He rang his office - who confirmed that, yes, there was a licence in force, and I did have all the licences I needed. Another great use for the licence fee that day... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Paul Stimpson wrote: > It's also true that TV retailers are obliged to inform licensing of > every TV device purchased and your address as are subscription TV > providers. It is though sometimes the retailers get it wrong. Last year I bought a Freeview receiver online and had it delivered to my work address, apparently the retailer then passed that address on to the nice licensing people... I got a letter about a month later saying they had no record of my holding a TV license at my office address and asking me to either buy one or explain why not? I ignored it, they wrote to me again about 3 months later with slightly more threatening language and I ignored that as well. I've heard nothing more from them. Andy -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Jack Knight wrote: >>> Stephen Rowles wrote: >> I just find I don't watch TV, or even have time to watch TV, with a 7 >> month old child around ;) >> >> I've doubled checked and according to the TV license web site: >> >> "You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record >> television programmes as they're being shown on TV." >> >> And from an article on the BBC news: >> >> "The law says that anyone who uses a TV, or any other device, to receive >> TV signals, must buy a licence." >> >> The key thing being there was no receiving of TV signals go on, therefore >> no license required. > > How does this affect devices such as Slingbox I wonder? Presumably there > is a delay during payload assembly and retransmission of the relayed TV > signal - does this then count as "live" - as in "as they're being shown" > ? > > If the answer is yes, how about if they introduced a delay in the feed? > Surely the signals are then being received *after* being shown on TV > then. My understanding (though IANAL) is that if the source of the program you are watching is broadcast TV you need a license. So if a friend records something for you and weeks later hands you a DVD of it you still need a license to watch it at home, it doesn't matter how you delay or come by the recording if it came from a UK broadcast you require a license to view it. If however you buy a legitimate DVD of something which was once broadcast on TV (say Dr. Who) you don't need a license to watch the DVD. Andy -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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>>I've doubled checked and according to the TV license web site: >> >>"You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record >>television programmes as they're being shown on TV." >> >>And from an article on the BBC news: >> >>"The law says that anyone who uses a TV, or any other device, to receive >>TV signals, must buy a licence." >> >>The key thing being there was no receiving of TV signals go on, therefore >>no license required. > > How does this affect devices such as Slingbox I wonder? Presumably there > is a delay during payload assembly and retransmission of the relayed TV > signal - does this then count as "live" - as in "as they're being shown" ? > > If the answer is yes, how about if they introduced a delay in the feed? > Surely the signals are then being received *after* being shown on TV then. > I imagine they would say that sling came under the "record television programmes" as a delay buffer would still be recording. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:34:13AM +, Alan Bell wrote: > Here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/Postcards.pdf > is some sample artwork for postcards we could send to small businesses > (but I think we prefer the full colour version) let me know what you > think. Excellent! Like the concept and the photographs are excellent. The caption looks slightly ugly. On pp3-5 the caption doesn't have enough space. Try a more rounded font, use lowercase, maybe some oversized partially transparent curly-quotes in the background to convey the effect of chatter or whispers. Don't choose a domain name like www.dont-tell-bill.com - avoid hyphens in preference so it reads as dub-dub-dub don't tell bill dotcom not dub-dub-dub don't hyphen tell hyphen bill dotcom. In principle I'd avoid a domain name that requires an apostrophe to parse correctly too, but it may be better to ensure it does match the slogan. donttellbill.com? billdoesntknow.com parses better even without the apostrophe. Looks like you've already registered it so perhaps a little late for that advice. Dan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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>- Original Message - >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Stephen Rowles >Sent: Thu, 12/4/2008 11:53am >To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List >Subject: Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC... > > >> Stephen Rowles wrote: >I just find I don't watch TV, or even have time to watch TV, with a 7 >month old child around ;) > >I've doubled checked and according to the TV license web site: > >"You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record >television programmes as they're being shown on TV." > >And from an article on the BBC news: > >"The law says that anyone who uses a TV, or any other device, to receive >TV signals, must buy a licence." > >The key thing being there was no receiving of TV signals go on, therefore >no license required. How does this affect devices such as Slingbox I wonder? Presumably there is a delay during payload assembly and retransmission of the relayed TV signal - does this then count as "live" - as in "as they're being shown" ? If the answer is yes, how about if they introduced a delay in the feed? Surely the signals are then being received *after* being shown on TV then. jfk-- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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> Stephen Rowles wrote: >>> They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. >>> My >>> friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come >>> round. >>> >>> I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told >>> them >>> he didn't have a TV. The investigator challenged him "but you've got a >>> TV >>> aerial." I love his response "I've got a pint of milk in the fridge. >>> Doesn't mean I've got a cow in the back garden." >>> >> >> That is really weird... before I was married my fiancee lived in a flat >> and had a TV/Video combo, but no TV license, she just used to get >> video's >> out of the Library and watch them. The first time the letter came she >> simply replied with "I have a TV, but it is not tuned and I don't watch >> TV" and never got pestered again :) >> >> Will be interesting to find out how well that works, I intend to do the >> same thing in the new year (after recording lots of Christmas telly) > > That is odd because I thought you were licensing the set(s) at your > address and and not the right to receive and watch broadcasts as such. > > Me, I quite like the Beeb or various components thereof and don't mind > shelling out for the service. It'd be a sad loss if we went fully > commercial IMHO. > > Sean I just find I don't watch TV, or even have time to watch TV, with a 7 month old child around ;) I've doubled checked and according to the TV license web site: "You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV." And from an article on the BBC news: "The law says that anyone who uses a TV, or any other device, to receive TV signals, must buy a licence." The key thing being there was no receiving of TV signals go on, therefore no license required. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thursday 04 December 2008 11:05:34 Victor Churchill wrote: > I believe it is the case that a licence is required if you have a > piece of equipment that is capable of receiving broadcast material. > If you have a TV screen that you use for watching pre-recorded > material but can demonstrate that it is does not have a functioning > tuner for off-air reception then you are OK. I do not know if the onus > is on *you* to show that your TV set *cannot* pick up live broadcasts > or on *"them"* to show that it *can* - i.e. whether you are innocent > until proven guilty or vice versa. I haven't checked recently, but this certainly used not to be the case. I checked it out quite thoroughly when my son was still at school. He was at boarding school and I never watched TV. So the TV set was only used to watch TV in the school holidays. I would have been entitled to a refund for the period of the licence which covered school terms. But it wasn't in fact worth my while financially (because of the way in which they calculated refunds), so I never claimed it. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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That would make an interesting project to film for this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase Alan. Paul Stimpson wrote: > "Is it legal?" > > Whispers, "Shhh! Just don't tell Bill!" > > Or... > > Two people outside an office with "Bill" on the door. One of then has a disc > case with Tux and "Linux" on it. > > "Is it legal?" > > "Yes" > > "Does it really work?" > > "Yes" > > "Is it quicker than ours?" > > "Fraid so"" > > "How about viruses?" > > "None" > > "There can't be any programs for it" > > "Thousands" > > "Hard to use?" > > "Not any more..." > > "Bet it's expensive" > > "Free" > > "You tell him" > > "No, you tell him" > > (They all push the disc at each other then look at each other. One grabs the > large pot plant by the door out of its pot, > The other throws the disc in then they ram the plant back in and sneak off.) > > Cheers, > Paul. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -Original Message- > From: Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:16:07 > To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC... > > > On Wednesday 03 Dec 2008, Alan Bell wrote: > >> Alan Pope wrote: >> >> >> >>> We should be looking at ways of promoting what we have, our advantages >>> over the competition, our strengths, not kick off knee-jerk copy-cat >>> reactionary marketing. The public see through that very quickly. Take >>> the appalling Novel "I'm Linux" adverts as a prime example of how >>> _not_ to do it. >>> >> as luck would have it we are working on a marketing campaign right now, >> it is far too early to share it with anyone, but I will anyway (just >> don't blog it yet). Basically what we are saying is that there is loads >> of great Free software out there, but it is a secret - don't tell Bill. >> Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold >> our gas. We can use this theme to talk about all sorts of Free software >> and of course the services that are available to help people take >> advantage of it. Here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/Postcards.pdf >> is some sample artwork for postcards we could send to small businesses >> (but I think we prefer the full colour version) let me know what you >> think. Obviously the stuff we do will have an Open Learning Centre theme >> to it, but there is no reason why anyone else couldn't do their own >> "don't tell Bill" marketing. >> > > I like it, it's quite amusing and gets the point across. Here is something > you > can legally save money with but don't tell anyone or everyone will know how > to save money... The people who know who Bill is will think it's funny > everyone else will get the idea that they are supposed to tell everyone > really. > > It reminds me of http://browsehappy.com/ which seems to have gone silent - > I > hope you are able to maintain some momentum. > > Good luck with the campaign. > > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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It's also true that TV retailers are obliged to inform licensing of every TV device purchased and your address as are subscription TV providers. Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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2008/12/4 Sean Gibbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > That is odd because I thought you were licensing the set(s) at your > address and and not the right to receive and watch broadcasts as such. I believe it is the case that a licence is required if you have a piece of equipment that is capable of receiving broadcast material. If you have a TV screen that you use for watching pre-recorded material but can demonstrate that it is does not have a functioning tuner for off-air reception then you are OK. I do not know if the onus is on *you* to show that your TV set *cannot* pick up live broadcasts or on *"them"* to show that it *can* - i.e. whether you are innocent until proven guilty or vice versa. These days the requirement for a license extends to those who don't use a conventional TV but instead use a laptop or 'media center' PC with a TV tuner card. I think I've also heard rumours of the license mandate being extended to the watchers of 'live' TV feeds over the 'net, but don't quite see how that would work. Several years back I had a contract which involved me living in a rented mobile home on farmland next to the customer's site Monday to Friday. I got a wee 6" portable TV from Radio Shack, and was able to use it without having to obtain a second license because (a) I had a license at my home address and (b) the device was capable of operating on batteries! If it had been a mains unit I would have had to buy a second license ... go figure. But as soon as I was registered on the electoral roll there I started receiving semi-threatening letters from th licensing authorities. > > Me, I quite like the Beeb or various components thereof and don't mind > shelling out for the service. It'd be a sad loss if we went fully > commercial IMHO. gosh yes. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Stephen Rowles wrote: >> They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My >> friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come >> round. >> >> I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told them >> he didn't have a TV. The investigator challenged him "but you've got a TV >> aerial." I love his response "I've got a pint of milk in the fridge. >> Doesn't mean I've got a cow in the back garden." >> > > That is really weird... before I was married my fiancee lived in a flat > and had a TV/Video combo, but no TV license, she just used to get video's > out of the Library and watch them. The first time the letter came she > simply replied with "I have a TV, but it is not tuned and I don't watch > TV" and never got pestered again :) > > Will be interesting to find out how well that works, I intend to do the > same thing in the new year (after recording lots of Christmas telly) That is odd because I thought you were licensing the set(s) at your address and and not the right to receive and watch broadcasts as such. Me, I quite like the Beeb or various components thereof and don't mind shelling out for the service. It'd be a sad loss if we went fully commercial IMHO. Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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> They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My > friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come > round. > > I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told them > he didn't have a TV. The investigator challenged him "but you've got a TV > aerial." I love his response "I've got a pint of milk in the fridge. > Doesn't mean I've got a cow in the back garden." That is really weird... before I was married my fiancee lived in a flat and had a TV/Video combo, but no TV license, she just used to get video's out of the Library and watch them. The first time the letter came she simply replied with "I have a TV, but it is not tuned and I don't watch TV" and never got pestered again :) Will be interesting to find out how well that works, I intend to do the same thing in the new year (after recording lots of Christmas telly) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 09:10 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > "How about viruses?" > > "None" Hmm, this isn't entirely true though, is it? There is a small ecosystem for Linux malware (cracked forum, anyone?) including a handful of viruses. James -- The Holy ettlz [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key ID: 03F94B5D --- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come round. I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told them he didn't have a TV. The investigator challenged him "but you've got a TV aerial." I love his response "I've got a pint of milk in the fridge. Doesn't mean I've got a cow in the back garden." Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Adam, > > 2008/12/2 Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people >> claim that they are a PC? > Nope. Get a decent PVR with an advert skip button and you'll never > have to see it again :) We decided to not replace our dead TV well over a year ago and apart from Paul missing his grand prix (he only watches the end or the crashes) we are very happy. Jacqui p.s. Except for the threatening TV licencing letters. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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"Is it legal?" Whispers, "Shhh! Just don't tell Bill!" Or... Two people outside an office with "Bill" on the door. One of then has a disc case with Tux and "Linux" on it. "Is it legal?" "Yes" "Does it really work?" "Yes" "Is it quicker than ours?" "Fraid so"" "How about viruses?" "None" "There can't be any programs for it" "Thousands" "Hard to use?" "Not any more..." "Bet it's expensive" "Free" "You tell him" "No, you tell him" (They all push the disc at each other then look at each other. One grabs the large pot plant by the door out of its pot, The other throws the disc in then they ram the plant back in and sneak off.) Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:16:07 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List Subject: Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC... On Wednesday 03 Dec 2008, Alan Bell wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > > > We should be looking at ways of promoting what we have, our advantages > > over the competition, our strengths, not kick off knee-jerk copy-cat > > reactionary marketing. The public see through that very quickly. Take > > the appalling Novel "I'm Linux" adverts as a prime example of how > > _not_ to do it. > > as luck would have it we are working on a marketing campaign right now, > it is far too early to share it with anyone, but I will anyway (just > don't blog it yet). Basically what we are saying is that there is loads > of great Free software out there, but it is a secret - don't tell Bill. > Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold > our gas. We can use this theme to talk about all sorts of Free software > and of course the services that are available to help people take > advantage of it. Here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/Postcards.pdf > is some sample artwork for postcards we could send to small businesses > (but I think we prefer the full colour version) let me know what you > think. Obviously the stuff we do will have an Open Learning Centre theme > to it, but there is no reason why anyone else couldn't do their own > "don't tell Bill" marketing. I like it, it's quite amusing and gets the point across. Here is something you can legally save money with but don't tell anyone or everyone will know how to save money... The people who know who Bill is will think it's funny everyone else will get the idea that they are supposed to tell everyone really. It reminds me of http://browsehappy.com/ which seems to have gone silent - I hope you are able to maintain some momentum. Good luck with the campaign. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Wednesday 03 Dec 2008, Alan Bell wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > > > We should be looking at ways of promoting what we have, our advantages > > over the competition, our strengths, not kick off knee-jerk copy-cat > > reactionary marketing. The public see through that very quickly. Take > > the appalling Novel "I'm Linux" adverts as a prime example of how > > _not_ to do it. > > as luck would have it we are working on a marketing campaign right now, > it is far too early to share it with anyone, but I will anyway (just > don't blog it yet). Basically what we are saying is that there is loads > of great Free software out there, but it is a secret - don't tell Bill. > Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold > our gas. We can use this theme to talk about all sorts of Free software > and of course the services that are available to help people take > advantage of it. Here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/Postcards.pdf > is some sample artwork for postcards we could send to small businesses > (but I think we prefer the full colour version) let me know what you > think. Obviously the stuff we do will have an Open Learning Centre theme > to it, but there is no reason why anyone else couldn't do their own > "don't tell Bill" marketing. I like it, it's quite amusing and gets the point across. Here is something you can legally save money with but don't tell anyone or everyone will know how to save money... The people who know who Bill is will think it's funny everyone else will get the idea that they are supposed to tell everyone really. It reminds me of http://browsehappy.com/ which seems to have gone silent - I hope you are able to maintain some momentum. Good luck with the campaign. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Keith Edmunds wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:34:13 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > said: > > >> Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold >> our gas. >> > > I recall it being "tell Sid" rather than "don't tell Sid" - but it was > some time ago. > you are quite correct, seems I missrecollected it (it was 20 years ago), but that doesn't matter much. > Good to hear about the campaign - do keep us (Hants LUG) posted. > will do. > Keith > > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:34:13 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold > our gas. I recall it being "tell Sid" rather than "don't tell Sid" - but it was some time ago. Good to hear about the campaign - do keep us (Hants LUG) posted. Keith -- Keith Edmunds +-+ |Tiger Computing Ltd| Helping businesses make the most of Linux | | "The Linux Specialists" | http://www.tiger-computing.co.uk | +-+ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
At 09:06 03/12/2008, you wrote: >On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 at 10:53:30PM +, trotter wrote: > > At 22:44 02/12/2008, you wrote: > > >On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where > clueless people > > > > claim that they are a PC? > > > > > > >Amazing coincidence but it's been driving me potty too, it came on at the > > >weekend and I leapt from my chair proclaiming "I'm not a PC, I'm > a free man", > > >my wife did give me an odd look but then said how much it's been > annoying her > > >too. It's just an attempt to reinforce the idea that PC means > Windows, it's > > >rather pathetic & scraping the bottom of the barrel if that's > the best they > > >can come up with. > > > > > > I hate the mac advert rip off as well. > > The idea is there but surely its just too long ago when the mac ads were > > running for it to be a riposte? > >I suppose a one of response would have been okay as you suggest. >Novell managed that pretty quickly. > > > But i guess in true Microsoft fashion it takes them ages to get > > anything done :) > >Indeed, and even then it's an MS Annoying Advert 2.0 as the >original 1.0 advert with BillG was even worse... > > > BTW the ad was made on an apple mac! > > If you stop it the ad theres some give away sign in it. > > Can you say Own goal? > >That is interesting. How do you know? It was in a couple of PC mags ie windows mags. I think it was in the guardians "online" computing section as well. Martin N -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
I did think about "don't tell Steve" but then decided it isn't about any specific Bill, just 'Bill' just like there wasn't a real Sid (I assume) Alan. Alan Pope wrote: > 2008/12/3 Alan Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> as luck would have it we are working on a marketing campaign right now, >> it is far too early to share it with anyone, but I will anyway (just >> don't blog it yet). Basically what we are saying is that there is loads >> of great Free software out there, but it is a secret - don't tell Bill. >> Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold >> our gas. We can use this theme to talk about all sorts of Free software >> > > Now that I like! It has the vauge memory of the Sid campaign, which > isn't recent enough for anyone to call it copy-cat, but is ingrained > enough to call it a homage :) > > Shame Bill doesn't have the same status at Microsoft that he once did. > I guess "Don't Tell Steve [Jobs|Ballmer]" isn't going to ring any > bells with the public though so I can see why you went with Bill. > > Cheers, > Al. > > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/3 Alan Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > as luck would have it we are working on a marketing campaign right now, > it is far too early to share it with anyone, but I will anyway (just > don't blog it yet). Basically what we are saying is that there is loads > of great Free software out there, but it is a secret - don't tell Bill. > Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold > our gas. We can use this theme to talk about all sorts of Free software Now that I like! It has the vauge memory of the Sid campaign, which isn't recent enough for anyone to call it copy-cat, but is ingrained enough to call it a homage :) Shame Bill doesn't have the same status at Microsoft that he once did. I guess "Don't Tell Steve [Jobs|Ballmer]" isn't going to ring any bells with the public though so I can see why you went with Bill. Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
Alan Pope wrote: > We should be looking at ways of promoting what we have, our advantages > over the competition, our strengths, not kick off knee-jerk copy-cat > reactionary marketing. The public see through that very quickly. Take > the appalling Novel "I'm Linux" adverts as a prime example of how > _not_ to do it. > as luck would have it we are working on a marketing campaign right now, it is far too early to share it with anyone, but I will anyway (just don't blog it yet). Basically what we are saying is that there is loads of great Free software out there, but it is a secret - don't tell Bill. Kind of like the "don't tell Sid" thing that was used when Thatcher sold our gas. We can use this theme to talk about all sorts of Free software and of course the services that are available to help people take advantage of it. Here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/Postcards.pdf is some sample artwork for postcards we could send to small businesses (but I think we prefer the full colour version) let me know what you think. Obviously the stuff we do will have an Open Learning Centre theme to it, but there is no reason why anyone else couldn't do their own "don't tell Bill" marketing. > I appear to be rambling now, so I'll stop :) > no, that was the best bit! > Just my 2p :) > > Cheers, > Al. > > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:54:07AM +, Alan Pope wrote: > In the Apple > ads the actors portray the persona of the computers themselves, not > the users. They clearly seek to show the PC as stuffy, boring, > business like, and incapable of anything fun, whereas the Mac is > young, trendy, flexible, agile and so on. I don't know. Mac fanbois do contract that thing of thinking PC users are for dweebs and Macs are made of cool. > We should be looking at ways of promoting what we have, our advantages > over the competition, our strengths, not kick off knee-jerk copy-cat > reactionary marketing. The public see through that very quickly. Take > the appalling Novel "I'm Linux" adverts as a prime example of how > _not_ to do it. But we could advertise the truth: Macs cost a zillion pounds and have the usability of a hedgehog, Windows costs a ton and has the security of a lunchbox. Linux costs nothing and is as powerful as a JCB. About as easy to use too. You have to learn what the levers do, but it's not beyond the wits of your typical construction worker. But seriously, I have thought for a while that one group to target would be SOHO users who are looking for an upgrade from Windows XP or even 2000, and who are horrified by the system requirements and general direction of Vista. Business users see those platforms as stable and for the most part unintrusive, but really really clunky. You probably know people with 20 tray icons just to make the system do everything they wanted it to do in the first place, or the experience of spending hours looking for a way to do something seemingly straightforward and either failing or having to download some nagware or malware (with yet another tray icon) to make it work. I really think we could make extremely persuasive arguments that could be effective at promoting Linux to that group. Trying to lure Mac fanbois with glossy branding exercises on the other hand is an exercise doomed to failure. Dan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
Hi Adam, 2008/12/2 Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > claim that they are a PC? > Nope. Get a decent PVR with an advert skip button and you'll never have to see it again :) I very rarely see adverts these days, especially not enough to get annoyed by them. Most things on commercial telly that I want to watch I record and then start watching late from the PVR (say 15 mins late for a 1 hour programme) and skip the ads. I end up finishing watching it at about the time it ends anyway, and gain 15 mins of my life at the start of the programme. Of course I tend to fritter those 15 mins away typing emails to LUGs, but that's my choice :) I have seen the advert in question however, and I don't see what all the fuss is about. Microsoft have so massively missed the point with those adverts, which are clearly a response to the highly successful (if overdone) Apple "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" advertisments. In the Apple ads the actors portray the persona of the computers themselves, not the users. They clearly seek to show the PC as stuffy, boring, business like, and incapable of anything fun, whereas the Mac is young, trendy, flexible, agile and so on. The Microsoft adverts seem to have missed the point by making out that the "PC Guy" is a stereotype of the _people_ who use the hardware, not the hardware itself. Whilst it's true to say that there is an element of stereotyping the user in the Mac ads, Microsoft seem to be labouring that point far too much, when what they should be doing is playing their strengths. Of course since recent figures have come out showing for the first time that Windows is below 90% of the market, Mac is up to 8.87% (from 8.21% last month), and Linux usage up from 0.71% to 0.83%, Microsoft probably need to do _something_, I'm just not convinced their marketing is right - not for us anyway. In response I don't believe we _should_ do anything such as start memes, create parodies or copy-cat campaigns at all. The Mac ad was successful because it was (initially at least) original. The Microsoft ones are far from that, and for the Linux enthusiast to take it further is flogging a dead horse IMO. We should be looking at ways of promoting what we have, our advantages over the competition, our strengths, not kick off knee-jerk copy-cat reactionary marketing. The public see through that very quickly. Take the appalling Novel "I'm Linux" adverts as a prime example of how _not_ to do it. I appear to be rambling now, so I'll stop :) Just my 2p :) Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
Richard Danter wrote: > 2008/12/2 Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people >> claim that they are a PC? > > Have you also noticed the slogan --- "World without walls"? > > In a world without walls, who needs Windows? What I liked about that was, if you have no walls, what's stopping your windows from falling over? -- Stuart Sears RHC* "It's today!" said Piglet. "My favourite day," said Pooh. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 at 11:59:53PM +, John Cooper wrote: > Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > > > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where > > clueless people claim that they are a PC? > > It is all part of the build up to Windows 7, due to be released (then > delayed) Dec 09. M$ have to try and recover from the Vista flop, Vista > ready disaster and pants round the ankles EEE PC success. Also Windows > has just fallen under 90% of internet access and they must be thinking > the unthinkable - no more cash cow :-) What ever you say you can't deny that Vista has been late, over budget and under specification. All indications seem to suggest it's not selling well at all and Windows users' are (for better or worse) sticking with XP. Mac and Linux are growing in market share which is undeniable but still not yet enough to hurt Microsoft - their current problems are clearly of their own making. I think the netbook may be a flash in the pan event, but again it has Microsoft wrong footed and looking foolish and out of touch. The coming economic global depression is also going to hurt Microsoft dear as companies scale back on the refresh cycle and the market it flooded by bankrupt kit and licences. Dot com boom 2.0...! -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK A man is known by the books he reads. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 at 11:03:39PM +, Tony Whitmore wrote: > trotter wrote: > > I hate the mac advert rip off as well. > > The idea is there but surely its just too long ago when the mac ads were > > running for it to be a riposte? > > There are still new Mac ads coming out, at least in the States. (The > UK-based ones with Mitchell and Webb seem to have died.) However, Novell > released some SUSE-based spoofs when the Mac ads first started > appearing. They are on Youtube if anyone is interested. I saw the Novell spoofs ages ago, rather funny I thought at the time. I think it is ironic that Microsoft came so late and so over the top. A one off response at the time may have been funny, the late and over the top response just proves that they are out of touch. -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK A man is known by the books he reads. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
2008/12/2 Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > claim that they are a PC? Have you also noticed the slogan --- "World without walls"? In a world without walls, who needs Windows? Rich -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 at 10:53:30PM +, trotter wrote: > At 22:44 02/12/2008, you wrote: > >On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless > > > people > > > claim that they are a PC? > > > > >Amazing coincidence but it's been driving me potty too, it came on at the > >weekend and I leapt from my chair proclaiming "I'm not a PC, I'm a free man", > >my wife did give me an odd look but then said how much it's been annoying her > >too. It's just an attempt to reinforce the idea that PC means Windows, it's > >rather pathetic & scraping the bottom of the barrel if that's the best they > >can come up with. > > > I hate the mac advert rip off as well. > The idea is there but surely its just too long ago when the mac ads were > running for it to be a riposte? I suppose a one of response would have been okay as you suggest. Novell managed that pretty quickly. > But i guess in true Microsoft fashion it takes them ages to get > anything done :) Indeed, and even then it's an MS Annoying Advert 2.0 as the original 1.0 advert with BillG was even worse... > BTW the ad was made on an apple mac! > If you stop it the ad theres some give away sign in it. > Can you say Own goal? That is interesting. How do you know? -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK engineer: n. one who, regardless of how much effort he puts in to a job, will never satisfy either the suits or the scientists -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 at 10:44:58PM +, David Rozzell wrote: > On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > > claim that they are a PC? > > > > The advert really gets on my nerves, because I don't want to be a PC, I'm > > happy being a human being. I therefore think it's important that we start a > > meme where people say something along the lines of: "I am a person not a > > PC" or "I am not a PC - I am a free man". > > Amazing coincidence but it's been driving me potty too, it came on at the > weekend and I leapt from my chair proclaiming "I'm not a PC, I'm a free man", > my wife did give me an odd look but then said how much it's been annoying her > too. It's just an attempt to reinforce the idea that PC means Windows, it's > rather pathetic & scraping the bottom of the barrel if that's the best they > can come up with. I'm glad it's not just me that hates the advert... -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK The Internet? We are not interested in it. -- Bill Gates, 1993 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 00:52:32 Paul Tansom wrote: > ** Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-12-02 22:30]: > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless > > people claim that they are a PC? > > > > The advert really gets on my nerves, because I don't want to be a PC, I'm > > happy being a human being. I therefore think it's important that we start > > a meme where people say something along the lines of: "I am a person not > > a PC" or "I am not a PC - I am a free man". > > > > So have a go, put something witty in your signature... Or not as the case > > may be, as you are a free man or woman and may chose to do what you > > wish...! > > ** end quote [Dr Adam Trickett] > > Since I first saw the advert I've had the urge to get a copy and tweak > the end frames to either: > > 1. replace the Windows logos and images with Tux ..or.. > 2. put a tag line something along the lines of "..but to make my PC > useful I installed Linux" > > I can't remember the link off hand, but I did see a video on the Apple > website along the same lines as their earlier ones where the 'PC' is > dividing up a stack of cash between R&D to fix the Vista bugs and > advertising. He carries on at a ration of something like 4 to 1 (it's a > week or so back since I saw it) in favour of advertising. Then the 'Mac' > asks whether the money set aside for R&D is enough to fix all the Vista > bugs, to which the 'PC' replies "you're right" and puts the whole lot > into advertising. I can't imagine Microsoft being too keen on that one, > however true it may be ;) > > -- > Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 > == > Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: > Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU The MS advert that annoys me are the ones for MS Office's, suggesting that buying MS Office will help with little Johnny's (or Jenny's) homework. Very few parents are aware of the fact that rather than shelling out the whole £300+ you could buy the student version for about £100 or better still download Open Office for free. Tim FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
** Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-12-02 22:30]: > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > claim that they are a PC? > > The advert really gets on my nerves, because I don't want to be a PC, I'm > happy being a human being. I therefore think it's important that we start a > meme where people say something along the lines of: "I am a person not a PC" > or "I am not a PC - I am a free man". > > So have a go, put something witty in your signature... Or not as the case may > be, as you are a free man or woman and may chose to do what you wish...! ** end quote [Dr Adam Trickett] Since I first saw the advert I've had the urge to get a copy and tweak the end frames to either: 1. replace the Windows logos and images with Tux ..or.. 2. put a tag line something along the lines of "..but to make my PC useful I installed Linux" I can't remember the link off hand, but I did see a video on the Apple website along the same lines as their earlier ones where the 'PC' is dividing up a stack of cash between R&D to fix the Vista bugs and advertising. He carries on at a ration of something like 4 to 1 (it's a week or so back since I saw it) in favour of advertising. Then the 'Mac' asks whether the money set aside for R&D is enough to fix all the Vista bugs, to which the 'PC' replies "you're right" and puts the whole lot into advertising. I can't imagine Microsoft being too keen on that one, however true it may be ;) -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > claim that they are a PC? > > The advert really gets on my nerves, because I don't want to be a PC, I'm > happy being a human being. I therefore think it's important that we start a > meme where people say something along the lines of: "I am a person not a PC" > or "I am not a PC - I am a free man". > > So have a go, put something witty in your signature... Or not as the case may > be, as you are a free man or woman and may chose to do what you wish...! > > It is all part of the build up to Windows 7, due to be released (then delayed) Dec 09. M$ have to try and recover from the Vista flop, Vista ready disaster and pants round the ankles EEE PC success. Also Windows has just fallen under 90% of internet access and they must be thinking the unthinkable - no more cash cow :-) John. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
M$ have been running that campaign for some time on their website. People really do seem to put themselves on the website as "I'm a PC". That's _way_ beyond sad! G. -- Gordon Scott http://www.gscott.co.uk Haiku: Tragic Irony Imagined Life Without Walls Windows Crash to Floor. Linux ... Because I like to *get* there today. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
trotter wrote: > I hate the mac advert rip off as well. > The idea is there but surely its just too long ago when the mac ads were > running for it to be a riposte? There are still new Mac ads coming out, at least in the States. (The UK-based ones with Mitchell and Webb seem to have died.) However, Novell released some SUSE-based spoofs when the Mac ads first started appearing. They are on Youtube if anyone is interested. Tony -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
At 22:44 02/12/2008, you wrote: >On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > > claim that they are a PC? > > > > The advert really gets on my nerves, because I don't want to be a PC, I'm > > happy being a human being. I therefore think it's important that we start a > > meme where people say something along the lines of: "I am a person not a > > PC" or "I am not a PC - I am a free man". > >Amazing coincidence but it's been driving me potty too, it came on at the >weekend and I leapt from my chair proclaiming "I'm not a PC, I'm a free man", >my wife did give me an odd look but then said how much it's been annoying her >too. It's just an attempt to reinforce the idea that PC means Windows, it's >rather pathetic & scraping the bottom of the barrel if that's the best they >can come up with. I hate the mac advert rip off as well. The idea is there but surely its just too long ago when the mac ads were running for it to be a riposte? But i guess in true Microsoft fashion it takes them ages to get anything done :) BTW the ad was made on an apple mac! If you stop it the ad theres some give away sign in it. Can you say Own goal? Martin N -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > claim that they are a PC? > > The advert really gets on my nerves, because I don't want to be a PC, I'm > happy being a human being. I therefore think it's important that we start a > meme where people say something along the lines of: "I am a person not a PC" > or "I am not a PC - I am a free man". Heh - no doubt wishful thinking on the part of Microsoft who want to establish a monopoly on the OS for all the human PCs out there too. Wait for the patent... Sean -- The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...
On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > claim that they are a PC? > > The advert really gets on my nerves, because I don't want to be a PC, I'm > happy being a human being. I therefore think it's important that we start a > meme where people say something along the lines of: "I am a person not a > PC" or "I am not a PC - I am a free man". Amazing coincidence but it's been driving me potty too, it came on at the weekend and I leapt from my chair proclaiming "I'm not a PC, I'm a free man", my wife did give me an odd look but then said how much it's been annoying her too. It's just an attempt to reinforce the idea that PC means Windows, it's rather pathetic & scraping the bottom of the barrel if that's the best they can come up with. David -- FLOSS - Not just for your teeth - Free Linux Open Source Software -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
