Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 11:09 PM 10/01/2008, FORC5 wrote: do not do what ? free of avast ? generally been happy with AVG, being free does not expire and most of my customers will NOT maintain their systems. ( money for me ) but I figure free is better then 4 year old EXPIRED Norton. 8-) Surely after paying for a cleanup, you can convince the customer to pay the few dollars it costs for a good commercial AV. T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 09:26 PM 10/01/2008, Joe User wrote: Hello FORC5, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:10:05 PM, you wrote: > As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast. > Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen ) > fp IMHO - Don't do it, esp. where a client is involved. Absolutely correct. Free AVs generally aren't as good a for pay AVs, and since clients generally go out and look for trouble, you aren't doing them any favours by giving them a false sense of confidence. T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Procrastination is king, some do. Most are just too stupid or just plain lazy. I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check their tire pressures. Good money on fresh installs when needed 8-) fp At 02:52 AM 1/11/2008, Thane Sherrington Poked the stick with: >At 11:09 PM 10/01/2008, FORC5 wrote: > >>do not do what ? free of avast ? >> >>generally been happy with AVG, being free does not expire and most of my >>customers will NOT maintain their systems. ( money for me ) but I figure free >>is better then 4 year old EXPIRED Norton. 8-) > >Surely after paying for a cleanup, you can convince the customer to pay the >few dollars it costs for a good commercial AV. > >T -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Isn't everybody happy? - Machiavelli
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Remember when tires never lost their air, and oil never went down? And a 15-20 year old car would still have 80# oil pressure? Oh, I'm starting to sound like an O.F. Rick Glazier From: "FORC5" I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check their tire pressures.
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
So in general, is it less risky to buy cheap RAM these days. In the past I have always bought the best because RAM issues are difficult to diagnose. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:20 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Not sure how vista works it scores but both my DDR2 machines score 5.9 in memory test. Albeit, both are running 400FSB+ (DDR2-800+) Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2008 14:10 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Here's what's funny. The most demanded ram we ship is corsair dominator series. Which (make of it what you will) pulls about a 5.3 in the vista scores when combined with a qx9650. But if I use cheap g.skill ddr2, in the exact same setup, 5.5, 5.6 is common. So far memory is the only thing that I've ever seen only 1 5.9, and that was with ddr3. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:02:21 To: Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Used OCZ a few times, a bit hit and miss for me. I normally find Geil to be cheaper, better performing and more compatible. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 11 January 2008 13:44 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] DDR2 RAM Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. Incoming and outgoing email communications may be monitored by Clifford Chance, as permitted by applicable law and regulations. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. Clifford Chance LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England & Wales under number OC323571. The firm's registered office and principal place of business is at 10 Upper Bank Street, London, E14 5JJ. For further details, including a list of members and their professional qualifications, see our website at www.cliffordchance.com. The firm uses the word 'partner' to refer to a member of Clifford Chance LLP or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. The firm is regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. The Authority's rules can be accessed by clicking on the following link: http://www.sra.org.uk/code-of-conduct.page The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the inten
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
Not sure how vista works it scores but both my DDR2 machines score 5.9 in memory test. Albeit, both are running 400FSB+ (DDR2-800+) Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2008 14:10 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Here's what's funny. The most demanded ram we ship is corsair dominator series. Which (make of it what you will) pulls about a 5.3 in the vista scores when combined with a qx9650. But if I use cheap g.skill ddr2, in the exact same setup, 5.5, 5.6 is common. So far memory is the only thing that I've ever seen only 1 5.9, and that was with ddr3. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:02:21 To: Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Used OCZ a few times, a bit hit and miss for me. I normally find Geil to be cheaper, better performing and more compatible. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 11 January 2008 13:44 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] DDR2 RAM Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. Incoming and outgoing email communications may be monitored by Clifford Chance, as permitted by applicable law and regulations. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. Clifford Chance LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England & Wales under number OC323571. The firm's registered office and principal place of business is at 10 Upper Bank Street, London, E14 5JJ. For further details, including a list of members and their professional qualifications, see our website at www.cliffordchance.com. The firm uses the word 'partner' to refer to a member of Clifford Chance LLP or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. The firm is regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. The Authority's rules can be accessed by clicking on the following link: http://www.sra.org.uk/code-of-conduct.page
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
Used OCZ a few times, a bit hit and miss for me. I normally find Geil to be cheaper, better performing and more compatible. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 11 January 2008 13:44 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] DDR2 RAM Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. Incoming and outgoing email communications may be monitored by Clifford Chance, as permitted by applicable law and regulations. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. Clifford Chance LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England & Wales under number OC323571. The firm's registered office and principal place of business is at 10 Upper Bank Street, London, E14 5JJ. For further details, including a list of members and their professional qualifications, see our website at www.cliffordchance.com. The firm uses the word 'partner' to refer to a member of Clifford Chance LLP or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. The firm is regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. The Authority's rules can be accessed by clicking on the following link: http://www.sra.org.uk/code-of-conduct.page
[H] DDR2 RAM
Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 09:28 AM 11/01/2008, FORC5 wrote: Procrastination is king, some do. Most are just too stupid or just plain lazy. I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check their tire pressures. Good money on fresh installs when needed 8-) I never give a free AV if they don't want one. I'm not going to take responsibility and listen to them complain "But YOU told me to use the free one." T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
I don't generally give people a free if they don't want it. However, in regards to the theory that 'Paid is better then free'. I would counter that every time. I've absolutely recommended Avast to numerous people, including having them pay for the thing if they feel like it. Why? There are a lot of reasons, but the biggest are: * I've never seen more junky, bulky programs then the current versions of Norton & McAfee. I don't care about AVS Bulletin reports that show how well they perform.. because they live in a kind of dream world in which everyone is always 100% updated and nothing wrong happens. Updating either of those programs is a BITCH. Out of the box, installing Norton 2008, your first download (as of today) is 56MB(!) For the love of pete, this is ridiculous. While people don't like to think this way, we have a ton of people either still on dialup or on life-line DSL (AT&T's 128k plan) so a download of that size means they are taking tons of time... and how many do it? Not as many as we'd like to think. Meanwhile, general updates for the free versions are smaller; hell, I can download the whole program for less. * Many of the 'features' in Norton/McAfee have an incredible propensity to go wrong. You know how many times I've had to use NRT (Norton Removal Tool, available at their website) to get Norton off because it wouldn't uninstall correctly or left Winsock broken? The reason we even had to uninstall is because of things like.. password lost on parental control features, in one case a virus (which it didn't detect) immediately banged Norton's firewall so the user was hosed. * McAfee's annoying pop-ups. Please, if I want a program to continuously pop up and tell me shit or offer me to buy other programs all the time, I might as well be spyware infected. McAfee's incessant offers and other BS totally inert any reason to buy it. * Both programs create a significant performance drop that doesn't equate to the performance they do. Of the paid AVs, ESET is the one that I would recommend most.. after Symantec's embarrassing heuristic issues this year with Yahoo! Webmail and Google (detecting as Feebs?) as well as their continued bloat Look, I have two offices that are small offices I see often. One is setup with 6 computers, everyone running Avast and a ClarkConnect Firewall with AV. I've not had a single issue there in two years (virus wise). The other went all Symantec, with a Symantec Firewall w/AV and Small Business Pack (which isn't corporate edition, damnit, but like a 5 pack of standard Norton AV) Guess who I've seen at least a dozen times with issues? Now part of it is that I believe the ClarkConnect Firewall is infinitely better then Symantec's, but still, the proof for me is right there in the pudding. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:40 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ? At 09:28 AM 11/01/2008, FORC5 wrote: >Procrastination is king, some do. Most are just too stupid or just >plain lazy. I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check >their tire pressures. >Good money on fresh installs when needed 8-) I never give a free AV if they don't want one. I'm not going to take responsibility and listen to them complain "But YOU told me to use the free one." T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
I totally agree with Chris on this one. In the past 2-3 years I've noticed severe bloat in both norton and mcafee. I've seen more problems with both of these adversely affecting other software. I've had to fix a lot of boxes that had problems caused solely by mcafee (worse of the two IMHO) and norton software. I just tuned up a fairly new dell laptop for an employee and removed mcafee software because of problems it was causing. Guess what? After uninstalling the mcafee package, half the applications wouldn't work anymore. I had to use the restore feature to go back 2 days, then download a removal tool for mcafee to remove a huge amount of garbage that remains after the uninstall. Once I got that off, the machine works a lot better and has no remaining issues. I've had similar problems with norton last year and will never use either personally, or recommend either to anyone. lopaka Chris Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't generally give people a free if they don't want it. However, in regards to the theory that 'Paid is better then free'. I would counter that every time. I've absolutely recommended Avast to numerous people, including having them pay for the thing if they feel like it. Why? There are a lot of reasons, but the biggest are: * I've never seen more junky, bulky programs then the current versions of Norton & McAfee. I don't care about AVS Bulletin reports that show how well they perform.. because they live in a kind of dream world in which everyone is always 100% updated and nothing wrong happens. Updating either of those programs is a BITCH. Out of the box, installing Norton 2008, your first download (as of today) is 56MB(!) For the love of pete, this is ridiculous. While people don't like to think this way, we have a ton of people either still on dialup or on life-line DSL (AT&T's 128k plan) so a download of that size means they are taking tons of time... and how many do it? Not as many as we'd like to think. Meanwhile, general updates for the free versions are smaller; hell, I can download the whole program for less. * Many of the 'features' in Norton/McAfee have an incredible propensity to go wrong. You know how many times I've had to use NRT (Norton Removal Tool, available at their website) to get Norton off because it wouldn't uninstall correctly or left Winsock broken? The reason we even had to uninstall is because of things like.. password lost on parental control features, in one case a virus (which it didn't detect) immediately banged Norton's firewall so the user was hosed. * McAfee's annoying pop-ups. Please, if I want a program to continuously pop up and tell me shit or offer me to buy other programs all the time, I might as well be spyware infected. McAfee's incessant offers and other BS totally inert any reason to buy it. * Both programs create a significant performance drop that doesn't equate to the performance they do. Of the paid AVs, ESET is the one that I would recommend most.. after Symantec's embarrassing heuristic issues this year with Yahoo! Webmail and Google (detecting as Feebs?) as well as their continued bloat Look, I have two offices that are small offices I see often. One is setup with 6 computers, everyone running Avast and a ClarkConnect Firewall with AV. I've not had a single issue there in two years (virus wise). The other went all Symantec, with a Symantec Firewall w/AV and Small Business Pack (which isn't corporate edition, damnit, but like a 5 pack of standard Norton AV) Guess who I've seen at least a dozen times with issues? Now part of it is that I believe the ClarkConnect Firewall is infinitely better then Symantec's, but still, the proof for me is right there in the pudding. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:40 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ? At 09:28 AM 11/01/2008, FORC5 wrote: >Procrastination is king, some do. Most are just too stupid or just >plain lazy. I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check >their tire pressures. >Good money on fresh installs when needed 8-) I never give a free AV if they don't want one. I'm not going to take responsibility and listen to them complain "But YOU told me to use the free one." T
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
Well, there's cheap RAM and then there's cheap RAM :) Geil is cheap but isn't in anyway an "economy" brand, they make quality components, just at the cheaper end of the quality branded RAM range and seem to offer a lot of bang for your buck. There is no reason at all why OCZ RAM should have issues but 2 different types of their DDR2-800 RAM has had issues in 2 of my motherboards, limiting the maximum FSB I could reach (topping out WELL below the memorys rated speed) when populated with 4 sticks. Switching to 4 sticks of another RAM solved the issues and the OCZ will work at full speed in other boards..Just oddities like that which leave me thinking "never again". So far Geil has worked like a charm, I have also built many systems recently with the Corsair XMS2 RAM, the corsair commands a much higher fee here in the UK though. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 11 January 2008 15:27 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM So in general, is it less risky to buy cheap RAM these days. In the past I have always bought the best because RAM issues are difficult to diagnose. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:20 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Not sure how vista works it scores but both my DDR2 machines score 5.9 in memory test. Albeit, both are running 400FSB+ (DDR2-800+) Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2008 14:10 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Here's what's funny. The most demanded ram we ship is corsair dominator series. Which (make of it what you will) pulls about a 5.3 in the vista scores when combined with a qx9650. But if I use cheap g.skill ddr2, in the exact same setup, 5.5, 5.6 is common. So far memory is the only thing that I've ever seen only 1 5.9, and that was with ddr3. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:02:21 To: Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Used OCZ a few times, a bit hit and miss for me. I normally find Geil to be cheaper, better performing and more compatible. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 11 January 2008 13:44 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] DDR2 RAM Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. Incoming and outgoing email communications may be monitored by Clifford Chance, as permitted by applicable law and regul
Re: [H] Free AV ?
> * I've never seen more junky, bulky programs then the current versions of > Norton & McAfee. I don't care about AVS Bulletin reports that show how well >Hi, the rest of the world has more then these two major brand AV's >though, Try NOD32 from ESET. Bye. Joe: You obviously didn't bother to read my whole message, where I ended with: Of the paid AVs, ESET is the one that I would recommend most.. after Symantec's embarrassing heuristic issues this year with Yahoo! Webmail and Google (detecting as Feebs?) as well as their continued bloat But here's the reality you were missing: you & I know there are numerous solutions, and I've praised several here in the past (including ESET, which I mentioned Directly in the email you responded to). But in the common place, the general joe-sixpack doesn't go hunt for ESET. They go with what walmart or target has on the shelf. And that isn't ESET. (Sorry!) More then that, whether we like it or not, McAfee & Norton have name-brand recognition within the field. I personally drink Dr. Pepper and prefer Caribou Coffee Hot Chocolate. But I recognize that Coke/Pepsi and Starbucks are much bigger names in the marketplace. They have brand recognition. The same is true of those products. Just the way the world works.
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Thane, Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:48:52 AM, you wrote: > At 09:26 PM 10/01/2008, Joe User wrote: >>Hello FORC5, >> >>Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:10:05 PM, you wrote: >> >> > As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast. >> >> > Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen ) >> > fp >> >>IMHO - Don't do it, esp. where a client is involved. > Absolutely correct. Free AVs generally aren't as good a for pay AVs, > and since clients generally go out and look for trouble, you aren't > doing them any favours by giving them a false sense of confidence. > T Free is better then none but let them make the call - don't get involved if they can't spare 30-50 bucks for protection. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Chris, Friday, January 11, 2008, 9:57:42 AM, you wrote: > I don't generally give people a free if they don't want it. > However, in regards to the theory that 'Paid is better then free'. I would > counter that every time. I've absolutely recommended Avast to numerous > people, including having them pay for the thing if they feel like it. > Why? There are a lot of reasons, but the biggest are: > * I've never seen more junky, bulky programs then the current versions of > Norton & McAfee. I don't care about AVS Bulletin reports that show how well Hi, the rest of the world has more then these two major brand AV's though, Try NOD32 from ESET. Bye. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
Here's what's funny. The most demanded ram we ship is corsair dominator series. Which (make of it what you will) pulls about a 5.3 in the vista scores when combined with a qx9650. But if I use cheap g.skill ddr2, in the exact same setup, 5.5, 5.6 is common. So far memory is the only thing that I've ever seen only 1 5.9, and that was with ddr3. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:02:21 To: Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Used OCZ a few times, a bit hit and miss for me. I normally find Geil to be cheaper, better performing and more compatible. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 11 January 2008 13:44 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] DDR2 RAM Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. Incoming and outgoing email communications may be monitored by Clifford Chance, as permitted by applicable law and regulations. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. Clifford Chance LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England & Wales under number OC323571. The firm's registered office and principal place of business is at 10 Upper Bank Street, London, E14 5JJ. For further details, including a list of members and their professional qualifications, see our website at www.cliffordchance.com. The firm uses the word 'partner' to refer to a member of Clifford Chance LLP or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. The firm is regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. The Authority's rules can be accessed by clicking on the following link: http://www.sra.org.uk/code-of-conduct.page
Re: [H] Lost Router IP Addy
OK, the old router still works again. It does answer some requests. We are finally talking. Never did find out what the dorked ip addy was; but, I now have a new tool filed away... :) Did the rom0 file business. It does look like the reset took because the ip addy and pw have been reset to their defaults! Success! A bit odd because the ras level remains at v3.25. Not a big issue for now. Just happy that this old router does not have to go visit the big red can! (yet) Now if I can just get the brick to move to my subnet, I can use the http interface to tweak it for my needs as a backup device. The telnet/hyperterminal process was weird back in 1999; it is still weird now. Amazed at how far these routers have come in the last so many years. Thank you all for your help and suggestions. Greatly appreciated. Best, Duncan At 11:15 01/07/2008 -0500, you wrote: Rick, Could not agree more. I did find the prints of the router screens (telnet) from way back when and at the last f/w update the router saw (v3.25). I can put it back, manually, if necessary. Back when I was learning "router" via the List, dslreports forums, netgear, and such, I collected every piece of documentation printed for the rt-314. It is a big file folder. I have started one now for the DLlink DGL-4300, but I doubt the file folder will get very big! It has been replaced by the DGL-4500, and I now read rumors about a DGL-5100 on the horizon. These very complex routers are now just "commodity" boxes any more. Sad but I am getting used to it. Yes, Hayes, so far I am very happy with the DGL-4300. I am still on the learning curve and still looking for the site that has all the "neat" settings for it. If it does not just burn up or die, I'll have it for years to come.. :) IT IS ALL GOODSort of! Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Ding! Ding! Ding! This subject cost me years using Norton and CA Etrust! Had this List not turned me on to eset, I would still be scrubbing my machines. Thank you List! Eset and very happy. I did get what I paid for. Best, Duncan At 10:48 01/11/2008 -0600, you wrote: snip Joe: You obviously didn't bother to read my whole message, where I ended with: Of the paid AVs, ESET is the one that I would recommend most.. after Symantec's embarrassing heuristic issues this year with Yahoo! Webmail and Google (detecting as Feebs?) as well as their continued bloat But here's the reality you were missing: you & I know there are numerous solutions, and I've praised several here in the past (including ESET, which I mentioned Directly in the email you responded to). But in the common place, the general joe-sixpack doesn't go hunt for ESET. They go with what walmart or target has on the shelf. And that isn't ESET. (Sorry!) More then that, whether we like it or not, McAfee & Norton have name-brand recognition within the field. I personally drink Dr. Pepper and prefer Caribou Coffee Hot Chocolate. But I recognize that Coke/Pepsi and Starbucks are much bigger names in the marketplace. They have brand recognition. The same is true of those products. Just the way the world works.
[H] Router Question?
Can I troubleshoot a suspect router live on my LAN without subtle problems leading me astray? I have managed to reset my old netgear rt-314 router. The IP addy and PW are now reset to the netgear defaults. This is a major "thank you" to this List! However, somehow, the "switch" portion of the router seems to be dead now. I can talk to the router via the rs-232 interface. It comes up with the default interface from the docs. I have set the router to an IP on my subnet. That seems to have taken. The router can not ping any of my sub-net clients, and I can not use an http interface of any client to speak to the router via the LAN. Also, I notice that there are NO lit LEDS on the router or switch. Sorta tells me the Switch side of the router is DEAD. Is this a good decision? I have cross-checked my changes/settings many times. I will check them yet again, just because I can talk to this "brick" via telnet/hyperterminal. Seems really odd. No, I do not have the router connected to my xdsl modem (POTS). Yes, I have it connected to a switch in the room with 3 machines via a CAT5E cable. I am bewildered. Getting ready to call this old router 'toast.' But, am still willing to beat on it some more.just because I can still talk to it, sort of... :) Thank you for any ideas you may have. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Auto call forwarding
Thanks for all that - I'm going to keep it for future reference. When we finally stop moving every few years from the military and buy our keeper house I am definitely planning on putting in a full asterisk system linked to both VOIP, the home automation, and us wherever we are. But that is still a few years away. I went cell phone only back in 2004 and convinced my wife to in 2006. Mainly because I hated the idea of having to pay monthly telephone charges twice - once for a landline and once for a cell phone. Right now we are paying $105 a month to Rogers for two phones and 200 shared minutes. I know, it's awful. The plan itself is $60/mo, plus $20/mo for voicemail and caller id (both of which are free in the US), $14/mo "system access fee", and the rest taxes. If I wanted to add a data plan for my iPhone it would be $15/mo for 5 mb. Yeah, right. The only good part is that all incoming calls are free, including international. Thankfully we use Skype for all our international and long distance calls (yes, they charge long distance fees for cell phones here). I would love to switch to VOIP but it won't solve the problem of needing a cell phone because I travel a lot. And where we live is not wired enough to get by with using VOIP over wi-fi. Here's to hoping that Google wins the 700Mhz spectrum auction and teams up with Sprint to build a free cell phone service nationwide. Because by that time I will be back in America :) On Jan 11, 2008 12:58 PM, Tharin Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have looked at Asterix > before and never got around to setting it up. > The problem is that I don't have a landline - just my cell phone. > And the SIM card will not be in that cell phone as it will be > traveling with me and have another country SIM. So I'm not sure how > Asterix would get the calls and forward them as I am under the > impression that it needs to be connected to POTS somehow to do that. > Maybe I'm wrong. > > And normally I would just have the phone company forward the number > but I am guessing that forwarding my Canadian number to an American > number would cause some sort of sizeable fee. > > > I'm not sure how forwarding charges from the Telco works because I've > never used it, but I bet you are right that if you forwarded calls from your > cellphone to some international phone number you would bear the expense. > Plus it might be some ridiculous rate because it is a cellular service and > they seem to like to screw you whenever you step outside what your normal > service plan allows. > > I don't know anything about Grandcentral so I can't add my opinion about > it; however, I do have a fair amount of experience with Asterisk. Right now > I use Asterisk in my home and business with a four port card [2 pots lines > (FXO), 2 phone lines in the house (FXS)], a per minute voip account, and I'm > currently experimenting with bluetooth connectivity to a cellphone. It is > definitely easier to setup Asterisk for use with a VOIP service provider > than with a landline because all you need is a high-speed internet > connection which is something you've probably got already. > > Going on the idea of strictly using a VOIP service to interface with > Asterisk, you would need to forward your cellphone number to the voip phone > number. A call from Canada to the U.S. would probably be no biggie since > most VOIP companies charge the same fee for calls to Canada as the U.S. > Because you ultimately need to terminate the call to a mobile number you > would configure Asterisk to forward that incoming call to your current > cellphone number as an outbound call via the same VOIP service or some other > VOIP provider else that will terminate the call to your destination for > less. > > 1. Incoming call on Canadian cell number ==> Forward to local VOIP number > 2. Incoming call to Asterisk server ==> Forward to Current Cell number >through cheap VOIP service > > I was under the impression that most US cellphone providers allow calls > from the U.S. to Canada. Time used would be deducted from your minutes but > no extra charges are incurred. Better check that out with your provider. If > you can forward the call for no extra expense to a US# then you could just > forward the Canadian cell# directly to the U.S. cell# while you are > stateside. I imagine you would just be losing minutes on both cellular > accounts. > > You would probably want to forward your incoming calls through a VOIP > service if you are going to the EU because I think those folks have to pay > for just about every second they use a phone including local calls. I also > think it is more expensive to make international calls to EU mobile numbers > than an EU landline. > > There are VOIP plans that are Per Minute (what I use since I use very > little minutes) and plans that are Unlimited. Careful with "unlimited" plans > because I've read on forums that companies monitor the frequency o
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Thane, Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:52:27 AM, you wrote: > At 11:09 PM 10/01/2008, FORC5 wrote: >>do not do what ? free of avast ? >> >>generally been happy with AVG, being free does not expire and most >>of my customers will NOT maintain their systems. ( money for me ) >>but I figure free is better then 4 year old EXPIRED Norton. 8-) > Surely after paying for a cleanup, you can convince the customer to > pay the few dollars it costs for a good commercial AV. > T Seriously. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
In regards to success rates, the only two products I know of that continually have a super-high success rate are Avast and ESET. I'd put them incredibly ahead of any of the (consumer level, not corporate edition) products I've used. Period. Both of them, especially with their pre-windows execution system, do a much more effective job then anything I've tested otherwise. The biggest reasons are: * smaller, more frequent download of base definitions which keep them up to date easier. * Lightweight and effective without lots of add-ons that do nothing but goofy looks/frills. No AV program is perfect, but out of all the options that are out there, I'd put Avast and even AVG considerably above numerous solutions out there.. I can't tell you how many times I run into people running things like "BullDog AV" or whatever, and those things manage to get people to pay money for something that performs like total crap, eats up performance and does nothing. They buy it because "Oh, I saw it advertised on a webpage" (most likely a pop-up). No software out there is perfect; but a big part of it is staying up to date. When the updates are significant, it diminishes the end user's chance of doing it. So, I'm just saying, before we rain on the parade of some of the free softs out there, you might give them a look again. Because the # of units I see float through virused that where installed with Norton far outways the ones installed with free. And yes, I can't think of when I've seen units come through here virus'd with ESET. Just the way it goes. None are perfect, but the free aren't nearly as woeful as the options were in the past. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:16 PM To: Gary VanderMolen Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ? Hello Gary, Friday, January 11, 2008, 11:58:21 AM, you wrote: > I don't buy the blanket statement that paid AVs are better than free ones. > Both AVG and Avast have paid versions, and (AFAIK) the free version uses > the same basic engine as the paid version. The only difference would be > added bells and whistles that most users don't need. All that means that both their free and paid version ain't worth much. Detection rates, performance, & support - these things matter. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Gary, Friday, January 11, 2008, 11:58:21 AM, you wrote: > I don't buy the blanket statement that paid AVs are better than free ones. > Both AVG and Avast have paid versions, and (AFAIK) the free version uses > the same basic engine as the paid version. The only difference would be > added bells and whistles that most users don't need. All that means that both their free and paid version ain't worth much. Detection rates, performance, & support - these things matter. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
I agree. AV is a customer responsibility. The vendor responsibility is to suggest/counsel as the subject matter expert. Yes, it is nice to be a "good person" and help a customer out. But, with all the AV's I have ever used, none are perfect; and, all require some sort of USER/Customer intervention to be as effective as possible. Let's call it an "unintended consequence of the Internet." If the customer chooses "Que Sari Sari..." so be it. Believe the machine will be back again like a homing pigeon for another cleaning. It's business :) Best, Duncan At 10:40 01/11/2008 -0600, you wrote: Hello Thane, Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:48:52 AM, you wrote: > At 09:26 PM 10/01/2008, Joe User wrote: >>Hello FORC5, >> >>Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:10:05 PM, you wrote: >> >> > As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast. >> >> > Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen ) >> > fp >> >>IMHO - Don't do it, esp. where a client is involved. > Absolutely correct. Free AVs generally aren't as good a for pay AVs, > and since clients generally go out and look for trouble, you aren't > doing them any favours by giving them a false sense of confidence. > T Free is better then none but let them make the call - don't get involved if they can't spare 30-50 bucks for protection. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Auto call forwarding
Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have looked at Asterix before and never got around to setting it up. The problem is that I don't have a landline - just my cell phone. And the SIM card will not be in that cell phone as it will be traveling with me and have another country SIM. So I'm not sure how Asterix would get the calls and forward them as I am under the impression that it needs to be connected to POTS somehow to do that. Maybe I'm wrong. And normally I would just have the phone company forward the number but I am guessing that forwarding my Canadian number to an American number would cause some sort of sizeable fee. I'm not sure how forwarding charges from the Telco works because I've never used it, but I bet you are right that if you forwarded calls from your cellphone to some international phone number you would bear the expense. Plus it might be some ridiculous rate because it is a cellular service and they seem to like to screw you whenever you step outside what your normal service plan allows. I don't know anything about Grandcentral so I can't add my opinion about it; however, I do have a fair amount of experience with Asterisk. Right now I use Asterisk in my home and business with a four port card [2 pots lines (FXO), 2 phone lines in the house (FXS)], a per minute voip account, and I'm currently experimenting with bluetooth connectivity to a cellphone. It is definitely easier to setup Asterisk for use with a VOIP service provider than with a landline because all you need is a high-speed internet connection which is something you've probably got already. Going on the idea of strictly using a VOIP service to interface with Asterisk, you would need to forward your cellphone number to the voip phone number. A call from Canada to the U.S. would probably be no biggie since most VOIP companies charge the same fee for calls to Canada as the U.S. Because you ultimately need to terminate the call to a mobile number you would configure Asterisk to forward that incoming call to your current cellphone number as an outbound call via the same VOIP service or some other VOIP provider else that will terminate the call to your destination for less. 1. Incoming call on Canadian cell number ==> Forward to local VOIP number 2. Incoming call to Asterisk server ==> Forward to Current Cell number through cheap VOIP service I was under the impression that most US cellphone providers allow calls from the U.S. to Canada. Time used would be deducted from your minutes but no extra charges are incurred. Better check that out with your provider. If you can forward the call for no extra expense to a US# then you could just forward the Canadian cell# directly to the U.S. cell# while you are stateside. I imagine you would just be losing minutes on both cellular accounts. You would probably want to forward your incoming calls through a VOIP service if you are going to the EU because I think those folks have to pay for just about every second they use a phone including local calls. I also think it is more expensive to make international calls to EU mobile numbers than an EU landline. There are VOIP plans that are Per Minute (what I use since I use very little minutes) and plans that are Unlimited. Careful with "unlimited" plans because I've read on forums that companies monitor the frequency of calls and the randomness of the numbers. They might deem you as abusing that plan and charge you a different rate/fee. CallCentric, Telasip, Teliax, Voicepulse are just a few of the VOIP providers that support Asterisk. If you are going to be in a hotel or office with access to a high-speed connection it might be good to use a cheap ATA from Linksys or Grandstream and pair it with a regular telephone. You could then configure the ATA to communicate directly with your VOIP provider and eliminate the extra cellular minutes and long distance fees. You could also use a PC or laptop with a softphone. You could install Asterisk as a virtual machine on your home computer if you don't have a spare pc to dedicate to it. Any management of the dial plans on the Asterisk system could be done remotely over the internet. -Tharin Olsen
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
No, board matters. Its easier to get 5.9 on an amd box or an intel chipset then it is on a 680i box. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:42:06 To: Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM That's quite odd. I see 5.9 all the time...doesn't matter if I'm running DDR2 at 800MHz, 900MHz, 1066MHz, CAS4, CAS5...Corsair, OCZ...only time I didn't see 5.9 was when I was running at 720MHz C4 for a short period, and on legacy DDR. Could memory size play a role perhaps? All I ever mess with is 4.0GB+ now.. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:10 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 6.0/5.3] Re: [H] DDR2 RAM > > Here's what's funny. The most demanded ram we ship is corsair > dominator series. Which (make of it what you will) pulls about a 5.3 > in the vista scores when combined with a qx9650. But if I use cheap > g.skill ddr2, in the exact same setup, 5.5, 5.6 is common. So far > memory is the only thing that I've ever seen only 1 5.9, and that was > with ddr3. > Sent via BlackBerry >
Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 11:57 AM 11/01/2008, Chris Reeves wrote: I don't generally give people a free if they don't want it. However, in regards to the theory that 'Paid is better then free'. I would counter that every time. I've absolutely recommended Avast to numerous people, including having them pay for the thing if they feel like it. Why? There are a lot of reasons, but the biggest are: * I've never seen more junky, bulky programs then the current versions of Norton & McAfee. I don't care about AVS Bulletin reports that show how well But you're taking the worst of the for pay and comparing them to the best of the free. You don't have to buy crap. Sell them a good AV, or tell them to download free one and take responsibility for their actions - install a free one makes you liable (IMO) when it doesn't work. If people can't afford $40-$50 for a good AV (that works out to $0.14 per day), then they can't afford Internet access or a computer either, and the issue is moot. If it's because they don't *want* to spend the money, then why cater to stupidity? T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 12:40 PM 11/01/2008, Joe User wrote: Free is better then none but let them make the call - don't get involved if they can't spare 30-50 bucks for protection. If they want free, I tell them, sure, here are some URLs, have a blast. I'm not responsible for you refusing to take my advice to protect yourself, and I won't aid and abet your actions. T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello DHSinclair, Friday, January 11, 2008, 12:01:40 PM, you wrote: > I agree. AV is a customer responsibility. The vendor responsibility is to > suggest/counsel as the subject matter expert. Yes, it is nice to be a > "good person" and help a customer out. But, with all the AV's I have ever > used, none are perfect; and, all require some sort of USER/Customer > intervention to be as effective as possible. Let's call it an "unintended > consequence of the Internet." If the customer chooses "Que Sari Sari..." > so be it. Believe the machine will be back again like a homing pigeon for > another cleaning. It's business :) > Best, > Duncan > At 10:40 01/11/2008 -0600, you wrote: Probably the best statement made today esp. with none being perfect. None are - they just can't keep up. Some are better then others though. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Good point. When looking at free I really do like avast. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:29:51 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ? At 12:48 PM 11/01/2008, Chris Reeves wrote: >But in the common place, the general joe-sixpack doesn't go hunt for ESET. >They go with what walmart or target has on the shelf. And that isn't ESET. >(Sorry!) But the issue started with "What free software should I recommend to my clients?" So these people aren't at Walmart. T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Chris, Friday, January 11, 2008, 10:48:04 AM, you wrote: > You obviously didn't bother to read my whole message, where I ended with: Yeah my eyes glazed over at the second paragraph on the Norton - McAfee thing. I assumed you were going to go that route for the rest. I should have continued to read on or at least cut it with a TLDR As for the robots out there let them buy shit from Wal-Mart - we weren't talking about that - because forc5 can tell them about the benefits of the non main stream products, like NOD32. It's our duty. We know. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
I don't buy the blanket statement that paid AVs are better than free ones. Both AVG and Avast have paid versions, and (AFAIK) the free version uses the same basic engine as the paid version. The only difference would be added bells and whistles that most users don't need. Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: "Chris Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> However, in regards to the theory that 'Paid is better then free'. I would counter that every time. I've absolutely recommended Avast to numerous people, including having them pay for the thing if they feel like it.
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
That's quite odd. I see 5.9 all the time...doesn't matter if I'm running DDR2 at 800MHz, 900MHz, 1066MHz, CAS4, CAS5...Corsair, OCZ...only time I didn't see 5.9 was when I was running at 720MHz C4 for a short period, and on legacy DDR. Could memory size play a role perhaps? All I ever mess with is 4.0GB+ now.. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:10 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 6.0/5.3] Re: [H] DDR2 RAM > > Here's what's funny. The most demanded ram we ship is corsair > dominator series. Which (make of it what you will) pulls about a 5.3 > in the vista scores when combined with a qx9650. But if I use cheap > g.skill ddr2, in the exact same setup, 5.5, 5.6 is common. So far > memory is the only thing that I've ever seen only 1 5.9, and that was > with ddr3. > Sent via BlackBerry >
Re: [H] Auto call forwarding
ITharin, I'm glad you listed out everything. I was about to on my last post and decided I didn't want to type that much, hehe :) I'm currently moving my PBX settings to a new box running PBX-in-a-Flash. Very slick install to dedicated box. I haven't tried the vmware image. I've used Trixbox in the past, but dumped it long before the recent fiasco where a user found that it had a backdoor with root access, and now Fonality is trying to recover its user base, and explain that their root level backdoor is a "feature". I've been running off the version of asterisk built into LinuxMedia Center which works well but needed a lot of command line tweaking to get everything going, which isn't necessary with some of the newer packages. lopaka Tharin Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brian Weeden wrote: I have looked at Asterix before and never got around to setting it up. The problem is that I don't have a landline - just my cell phone. And the SIM card will not be in that cell phone as it will be traveling with me and have another country SIM. So I'm not sure how Asterix would get the calls and forward them as I am under the impression that it needs to be connected to POTS somehow to do that. Maybe I'm wrong. And normally I would just have the phone company forward the number but I am guessing that forwarding my Canadian number to an American number would cause some sort of sizeable fee. I'm not sure how forwarding charges from the Telco works because I've never used it, but I bet you are right that if you forwarded calls from your cellphone to some international phone number you would bear the expense. Plus it might be some ridiculous rate because it is a cellular service and they seem to like to screw you whenever you step outside what your normal service plan allows. I don't know anything about Grandcentral so I can't add my opinion about it; however, I do have a fair amount of experience with Asterisk. Right now I use Asterisk in my home and business with a four port card [2 pots lines (FXO), 2 phone lines in the house (FXS)], a per minute voip account, and I'm currently experimenting with bluetooth connectivity to a cellphone. It is definitely easier to setup Asterisk for use with a VOIP service provider than with a landline because all you need is a high-speed internet connection which is something you've probably got already. Going on the idea of strictly using a VOIP service to interface with Asterisk, you would need to forward your cellphone number to the voip phone number. A call from Canada to the U.S. would probably be no biggie since most VOIP companies charge the same fee for calls to Canada as the U.S. Because you ultimately need to terminate the call to a mobile number you would configure Asterisk to forward that incoming call to your current cellphone number as an outbound call via the same VOIP service or some other VOIP provider else that will terminate the call to your destination for less. 1. Incoming call on Canadian cell number ==> Forward to local VOIP number 2. Incoming call to Asterisk server ==> Forward to Current Cell number through cheap VOIP service I was under the impression that most US cellphone providers allow calls from the U.S. to Canada. Time used would be deducted from your minutes but no extra charges are incurred. Better check that out with your provider. If you can forward the call for no extra expense to a US# then you could just forward the Canadian cell# directly to the U.S. cell# while you are stateside. I imagine you would just be losing minutes on both cellular accounts. You would probably want to forward your incoming calls through a VOIP service if you are going to the EU because I think those folks have to pay for just about every second they use a phone including local calls. I also think it is more expensive to make international calls to EU mobile numbers than an EU landline. There are VOIP plans that are Per Minute (what I use since I use very little minutes) and plans that are Unlimited. Careful with "unlimited" plans because I've read on forums that companies monitor the frequency of calls and the randomness of the numbers. They might deem you as abusing that plan and charge you a different rate/fee. CallCentric, Telasip, Teliax, Voicepulse are just a few of the VOIP providers that support Asterisk. If you are going to be in a hotel or office with access to a high-speed connection it might be good to use a cheap ATA from Linksys or Grandstream and pair it with a regular telephone. You could then configure the ATA to communicate directly with your VOIP provider and eliminate the extra cellular minutes and long distance fees. You could also use a PC or laptop with a softphone. You could install Asterisk as a virtual machine on your home computer if you don't have a spare pc to dedicate to it. Any management of the dial plans on the Asterisk system could be done remotely over the internet.
Re: [H] Free AV ?
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Tharin Olsen wrote: Currently I only recommend AVG, NOD32, Kaspersky, or CA's EZ AntiVirus (included with some internet services). Not free, but my personal favorite (from an IT standpoint) is Symantec AV Corporate. Note that this is a completely from the Norton AV! For anyone who manages even a few PC's at once, it's well worth it. For free AV, I just use AVG and common sense. Since I only boot into windows for WoW, it really is kind of unneeded. Christopher Fisk -- Leela: Hey, you know what might be a hoot? Professor: No. Why would I know that?
Re: [H] Free AV ?
The supplied uninstall routines for McAfee and Norton are so deficient that both had to release special removal utilities. I don't trust developers who can't write a proper uninstall for their own product. Updates published by these two are often defective. Here are just two recent examples: McAfee: http://helpme.att.net/article.php?item=11258 Norton: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Symantec-Update-Blocks-Internet-Access-73135.shtml Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: "Robert Martin Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I totally agree with Chris on this one. In the past 2-3 years I've noticed severe bloat in both norton and mcafee. I've seen more problems with both of these adversely affecting other software. I've had to fix a lot of boxes that had problems caused solely by mcafee (worse of the two IMHO) and norton software.
Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 12:48 PM 11/01/2008, Chris Reeves wrote: But in the common place, the general joe-sixpack doesn't go hunt for ESET. They go with what walmart or target has on the shelf. And that isn't ESET. (Sorry!) But the issue started with "What free software should I recommend to my clients?" So these people aren't at Walmart. T
[H] USB ADDON
I have a USB add on bracket that came with my MSI P35 Platinum MB. It has two cables one which is normal connector that attaches to the header pins on the MB (add 2 USB ports) and a second one which has the same type of connector (black instead of yellow) but apparently is for the 4 led lights which is also on the bracket (why 4? send/receive??). But where does it connect?? Never seem before. It would fit on a USB header but not sure if or why it would work. TIA ~Gary
Re: [H] Free AV ?
I'll concede that I'm basing my opinion only off systems I've had to fix, so it is not a fair representative of the greater population of users. I've definitely had problems with both. I should also mention that as AVG installs have been getting larger, I'm concerned about unnecessary bloat eventually becoming an issue with them also. I have found that the newest AVG doesn't always install smoothly and had a couple machines I couldn't get it to run on. I had to use avast. lopaka Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 12:08 PM 1/11/2008, Robert Martin Jr. typed: >I totally agree with Chris on this one. In the past 2-3 years I've >noticed severe bloat in both norton and mcafee. I've seen more >problems with both of these adversely affecting other software. I've >had to fix a lot of boxes that had problems caused solely by mcafee >(worse of the two IMHO) and norton software. I respectfully disagree as I've had much more difficulty removing Symantec products that I have McAfee. >I just tuned up a fairly new dell laptop for an employee and removed >mcafee software because of problems it was causing. Guess what? >After uninstalling the mcafee package, half the applications >wouldn't work anymore. I had to use the restore feature to go back 2 >days, then download a removal tool for mcafee to remove a huge >amount of garbage that remains after the uninstall. I've a new Dell D830 laptop configured to the hilt & have had no problems with McAfee Corporate Edition other than having to change some of it's configuration which I find important in all AV apps. I even removed it to use AVG instead to see if I could increase performance. I did but only about 5% improvement yet AVG didn't work as well as McAfee Corporate Edition. Event tho I bought mine through the Small Business division because it detects better than AVG I put it back on the laptop & will gladly suffer the 5% loss if that in performance. I hear that Symantec Corp Ed is a much better product than their consumer product as well. >Once I got that off, the machine works a lot better and has no >remaining issues. I've had similar problems with norton last year >and will never use either personally, or recommend either to anyone. Sorry to hear that you had any problems with McAfee. One year they sold their off the shelf version with the Screen Scan enabled & that was the biggest problem they ever had til then. I've noticed that they no longer have the Screen Scan enabled by default. I do have to agree it seems to take up quite a bit of HD space. ---+-- I'm a geek that loves to tweak.
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Thanks JoeUser, And probably why cars are offered in many colors. I have found in the AV business "one size" does not fit all. Here on the List "we" are tweaks. And, due to this "we" have very strong opinions, and, "we" tend to defend "our" positions. Nature of the beast! I got over this years ago. I take the suggestions, try stuff out, see it it works for me, and make my own decision. Happy camper with eset (v2.70.39) ATM. I do understand that eset's V3.0 products are having growing pains! Again, nature of the beast :) Best, Duncan At 12:18 01/11/2008 -0600, you wrote: Hello DHSinclair, Friday, January 11, 2008, 12:01:40 PM, you wrote: > I agree. AV is a customer responsibility. The vendor responsibility is to > suggest/counsel as the subject matter expert. Yes, it is nice to be a > "good person" and help a customer out. But, with all the AV's I have ever > used, none are perfect; and, all require some sort of USER/Customer > intervention to be as effective as possible. Let's call it an "unintended > consequence of the Internet." If the customer chooses "Que Sari Sari..." > so be it. Believe the machine will be back again like a homing pigeon for > another cleaning. It's business :) > Best, > Duncan > At 10:40 01/11/2008 -0600, you wrote: Probably the best statement made today esp. with none being perfect. None are - they just can't keep up. Some are better then others though. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
I've worked on many many many (did i mention many?) computers with a McAfee install that had the system's resources so tied up that it was virtually unusable. Often times it winds up being the Mcafee suite that is offered as courtesy through America Online. Sometimes it was due to a low amount of RAM and the added startup apps were pushing it over the top, but sometimes the machine was perfectly fine except for Mcafee. An uninstall of Mcafee would return the computer to normal and a re-install of Mcafee would send it back down the drain. They typically were switched to AVG Free Edition on the spot. I have these experiences with Norton as well and I never walk out the front door with out my flash drive that has the manual Norton uninstall tools and docs. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Currently I only recommend AVG, NOD32, Kaspersky, or CA's EZ AntiVirus (included with some internet services). -Tharin Olsen - Original Message From: Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:55:32 AM Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ? At 12:08 PM 1/11/2008, Robert Martin Jr. typed: >I totally agree with Chris on this one. In the past 2-3 years I've >noticed severe bloat in both norton and mcafee. I've seen more >problems with both of these adversely affecting other software. I've >had to fix a lot of boxes that had problems caused solely by mcafee >(worse of the two IMHO) and norton software. I respectfully disagree as I've had much more difficulty removing Symantec products that I have McAfee.
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Thane, Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:26:31 PM, you wrote: > But you're taking the worst of the for pay and comparing them to the > best of the free. You don't have to buy crap. Sell them a good AV, > or tell them to download free one and take responsibility for their > actions - install a free one makes you liable (IMO) when it doesn't > work. If people can't afford $40-$50 for a good AV (that works out > to $0.14 per day), then they can't afford Internet access or a > computer either, and the issue is moot. If it's because they don't > *want* to spend the money, then why cater to stupidity? Amen - preach on brother Thane. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Thane, Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:29:12 PM, you wrote: > If they want free, I tell them, sure, here are some URLs, have a > blast. I'm not responsible for you refusing to take my advice to > protect yourself, and I won't aid and abet your actions. I dont even go that far, because we are still getting involved and it's our ass because we gave them the url's. I say google for free av. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 05:38 PM 11/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. When looking at free I really do like avast. I think Avast and Antivir are probably the two best of the freebies (and both are better than McAfee or Norton.) T
Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello DHSinclair, Friday, January 11, 2008, 12:28:56 PM, you wrote: > Thanks JoeUser, > And probably why cars are offered in many colors. I have found in the AV > business "one size" does not fit all. Here on the List "we" are tweaks. > And, due to this "we" have very strong opinions, and, "we" tend to defend > "our" positions. Nature of the beast! I got over this years ago. I take > the suggestions, try stuff out, see it it works for me, and make my own > decision. Happy camper with eset (v2.70.39) ATM. > I do understand that eset's V3.0 products are having growing pains! Again, > nature of the beast :) > Best, > Duncan Yeah, like all new stuff - that's why I don't rush into the new versions. You know at one point I used like 13 or 14 different AV's to assist in cleaning systems - no BS - they all missed and caught stuff the others didn't. I read a periodical sometime ago. It went on about malware and how one malware program could have 200 variants in a day and 200,000 of those with all the math - basically sounded totally exhausted and said no one can keep up. You just have to train these users the best you can - hope they listen and if they don't, hope they can afford to pay you for your time and effort. I mean hey, if folks want to use Free AV - GO FOR IT. I think everyone on this list that contributes is smart enough that we don't even need AV anyway. However, can't tell me FREE is better then paid because thats total bullshit. Here's why - FREE don't pay the frackin bills people. You can't research viruses for free - it costs money. Money makes the world go round - deal with it - accept it. We ain't flying around with Picard and Wesley the Wonder Boy here. Sorry, everything costs something. Also, I won't put my name behind free AV because of the above. Every time I read AV comparisons I never see these free AV's at the top. That's just how it is. I don't want to hear the bias argument either because it's more then one review over many years now, and what's not biased anymore anyway. Wow put a couple bloody marys in me and slap me with a TLDR. Time to slay some pixilated dragons and stuff. Have a good weekend. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
Thanks, that's good to know. I think I'll skip the OCZ I like to buy things that will work first time. I don't have time to mess around -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:46 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Well, there's cheap RAM and then there's cheap RAM :) Geil is cheap but isn't in anyway an "economy" brand, they make quality components, just at the cheaper end of the quality branded RAM range and seem to offer a lot of bang for your buck. There is no reason at all why OCZ RAM should have issues but 2 different types of their DDR2-800 RAM has had issues in 2 of my motherboards, limiting the maximum FSB I could reach (topping out WELL below the memorys rated speed) when populated with 4 sticks. Switching to 4 sticks of another RAM solved the issues and the OCZ will work at full speed in other boards..Just oddities like that which leave me thinking "never again". So far Geil has worked like a charm, I have also built many systems recently with the Corsair XMS2 RAM, the corsair commands a much higher fee here in the UK though. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
